PBD Podcast - Libertarian Candidate Jo Jorgensen | PBD Podcast | EP 145

Episode Date: April 9, 2022

Patrick Bet-David is joined by Libertarian Candidate Jo Jorgensen to discuss the handling of Covid, the 2020 Election, border control, and much more... TOPICS How Jo Jorgensen would have handled Covid  Did Jo Jorgensen cost Donald Trump the 2020 election? Jo Jorgensen gives her take on America Legalizing all drugs Jo Jorgenson claims China isn't an issue Why Jo Jorgensen believes in open borders Jo Jorgensen's toughest debate ever Jo Jorgensen grades Joe Biden through his 15 months Jo Jorgensen reveals where she stands on Transgenderism Libertarian party on government agencies Jo Jorgensen is an American libertarian political activist and academic. Jorgensen was the Libertarian Party's nominee for president of the United States in the 2020 election, in which she finished third in the popular vote with about 1.9 million votes, 1.2% of the national total. Follow Jo Here https://bit.ly/3KnpTVA Text: PODCAST to 310.340.1132 to get added to the distribution list To reach the Valuetainment team you can email: [e-mail] Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal bestseller Your Next Five Moves (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

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All right, folks, today episode number 145 with former presidential candidate, Dr. Joe Jorgensen, who got, I wanna say this correctly, 1.8 million votes, 1.2%. And she, a lot of people who are on here with us, they voted for her, you supported her. And at the end, we're gonna do some calls for people to be able to call in. And find out what this whole libertarian thing is that everyone's talking about.

A lot of crypto people nowadays, they call themselves libertarian. We're going to have the presidential candidate break that down for us. Dr. Joe Jorgensen, thank you so much for being a guest today. Glad to be here. Thanks. It's great to have you on. So, a 40 audience who doesn't know what it is to be a libertarian, what is a libertarian to you?

Somebody who believes that we each have the right to make our own choices and that society works much better if we can each interact voluntarily rather than having the government be in charge of us. Okay, so you would say so make our own choices. So so far that doesn't seem very controversial. Everybody would say I want to be able to make my own choices for myself. Now, you're saying that both the Democrats and the Republicans want to make choices for you. Oh, absolutely.

Just look at the recent COVID in schools. When it just broke my heart, how mothers were going before school boards begging, please teach my child in person. Please don't make them wear a mask. They're getting behind socially. They're getting behind educationally. And there was no choice because it was monopolistic system.

So let's just say during COVID, we had Joe Jorgenson as our president. How different would things have been? Oh, like night and day. Let's hear it, I'm curious. No mask requirements, of course. No business shutdowns. And what a lot of people don't realize,

they say, well, it was so good though, that we shut down the economy so that people didn't get sick. But you have to look at politicians being politicians. Of course, they allowed the big box stores to be open. They let the big guys be open. It's the small mom and pop stores that they shut down. of course they allowed the big box stores to be open. They let the big guys be open. It's the small, mom and pop stores that they shut down. So, you know, people think, well, we need politicians,

we need government to help the little guy. But it's actually government that's hurting the little guy. And what's very distressing of hearing the message from the left, I would love to explain to everybody on the left who says, big corporations are bad. We need to cut them down the size. Well, big corporations are big because of government. It's because government is giving them special privileges and powers and money. Can you go even a little bit deeper than that? So let's stay there, COVID. It is COVID 2020. So would an Anthony Fauci be there under your presidency? Would we have a surgeon general that would come out

or somebody from the CDC or somebody from the NIH, I would come out and say, well, here's what's going on with COVID. Here's what we got to look at with this. Here's what we got to get the vaccine. It's going to take us nine to 18 months. How different would you have been that urgent or would you have shut down travel restrictions coming in from China? Would you have restricted

people coming in from Europe for the period that we had? What were some of the decisions you would have made? No, I would not have restricted people. And there would be no Anthony Fauci giving edicts. It's one thing to have a medical unit as an advisory committee. It's another, though, to allow them to be making decisions. For instance, the CDC was basically making decisions on rent, on whether or not you could evict attendance. That's such an overreach of what it was intended. Okay, but go a little deeper for me.

If there wouldn't be an Anthony Fauci, who's given us updates and what are we learning? So you're saying that. You're a medical doctor. You're a medical doctor. So how about if I can't afford medical because I don't have a medical doctor, who's telling me what to do with COVID?

Oh, we could spend two hours just on medicine. So if I could divert there, a lot of people say, you know, capitalism isn't working, so we need to have one size fits all. We need to have socialized medicine. Well, we don't have capitalism in medicine. What we've got is we do have so many rules and regulations that we're not getting

the competition needed. And the biggest example would be insurance. A lot of people say, well insurance is too high. Well, that's because it's not insurance. What if your car insurance paid for oil changes, getting your car washed, and putting gas in your car. You wouldn't go around looking for the cheapest gas station because what do you care? Interance company is going to pay for it anyway. And then the next year your premiums are going to go up because the insurance companies are going to have to raise prices because you weren't looking for the cheapest option. Right now there's absolutely no incentive

to look for the cheapest option. In fact, I gave birth to both my daughters in a birthing center and it was basically a three-bedroom house that had a kitchen. You even had to bring your own food. that had a kitchen, you even had to bring your own food. Excuse me, and this was in the 1980s, and I think it was like $900. And you get the doctor. And I remember telling a friend of mine, like, wow, you know, the Burthing Center, and only $900.

And she said, oh, but I want to go to the new women's center. And they're just been this big story about how they had redone it and they had $600 bed spreads and I don't remember how many thousands of dollars it cost but no skin off of their nose so and and I realized that's an extreme that's a higher that's at the higher end but even just going into the doctor for a checkup are going in because you have an ear infection.

That would be a lot cheaper than taking your car and if we can take our car and for a $300 repair, then why can't we go to the doctor and get $90 checkup? But Dr. Joe, let's go back to it. So it's COVID. So there's no one that's gonna give me updates on what's going on with COVID. We're not shutting down, fine, I like that.

We're not closing travel coming in from China. So, Well, do you mind if I interrupt? Please, sure. And I, you said nobody is giving updates. The free market would definitely be giving updates. I mean, we've got companies now who are giving us updates about other things out there.

So why wouldn't there be some, let's say, McDonald's of health care, who is saying, give putting advertisements on TV, saying, okay, this is what the latest research is showing. You need to come to our clinic for whatever, to get tested, whatever. So, no, we get a lot of information in the free market. In fact, look at all the information

we get off the internet. If I may. Yeah, please. Yeah. So, your president, we know it's a pandemic, and it's coming fast and heavy. What would your administration response be to a populist that is scared to death of this word pandemic, and they're hearing it coming? What would we have heard from your administration in terms of a national response? Because this isn't just bad flu season.

This is a pandemic. Well, okay. But let's back up. Part of the reason there was so much fear was because the government put the fear in people. If you look at college-aged kids, high school kids, the death rate for this was actually lower than the flu. For younger people, even lower than that. You don't get up to the death rate of the flu until you get much older. So again, would we be doing this for the flu? Would we be shutting everything down? Would we be calling a pandemic like that? That's why I was getting back to asking you

to just kind of library for us and Pat's question about. So you would have been as our president coming to the microphone saying, hang on a second, we're using the word pandemic, but you would have then said things like that. Well, wait, wait, but, but, but who put the word pandemic out there to begin with? It was the president, it was the government. So I'd be coming out there saying, as you've seen in the news, we've got this new, uh, we've got this new disease going wrong, we've got this new virus, and I would act as a leader, not as a king.

I would act as a leader telling people, you know, go to your medical professional, go to your doctor, go to, now of course, under a libertarian administration, if we had fixed health care to the point to where it wasn't a monopolistic system, because that gets back to, you know, we talk about high cost, doctors are a government-run monopoly. The government grants, indirectly grants, how many people can get M.D.'s and how many people can practice. I mean, if they did that for plumbers and car mechanics,

that would be sky high too. So, if we had different people out there providing services and increase in nurse practitioners and so on. It would be much cheaper and we could easily say, go to your health care provider. So I think, I relate to some of the, you know, elements of libertarian, I do. I fully relate to it, I get it.

But for me, it feels like to do what you wanna do, if you were president in 2020, it would be a mess. And he was why. Oh, and it's not a mess. And it was a mess now. It was totally a mess. But let me explain to you why I think it would be even a bigger mess, because I think to do what you want to do or even

inject that spirit, don't you think it makes more sense to start from Congress, Senate, Governor, and work your way up to have other people that are infrastructure, that are, like if I would ask you right now, how many of our congressmen are libertarians? Registered libertarians, how many would there be? Oh, none.

How many senators do we have that are registered? You're not gonna, you don't have, you don't have poll? So, okay, let's just say you're president, you wouldn't get nothing done. In today's system, though, but in today's system, let's just say if you were to become president in today's system, who's going to back you up from the left of the right?

They have a monopoly today. Except if I were president, then there would also be incoming senators and Congress people, because it's not gonna be one person getting elected out of everybody. It's going to be a movement. There are gonna be other people. You really think that somebody's gonna elect

a third party president, and only the president's gonna be a liberal president? No, I think, no, I don't think that. I think the movement is gonna need help from different places. I do believe that, but you also need backing. Now, don't get me wrong. The first, the best third party candidate

of all time is who, Abraham Lincoln. He's the first Republican, right? He was third party, came up, don't. You can tell the Teddy Roosevelt story, right? On what he did. You can go look at Ross Peroll. People will throw George Wallace and the Ron Paul and there's a lot of names that they'll throw

in the best third party candidates, right? But wouldn't it make sense to go and get others internally converted rather than go straight to the top? Because if you can pull up some of the numbers. So some will say the final. Some will say President Biden is president today because of you. Meaning you- Oh, and they would be wrong, but go ahead. But I would show you the numbers. Some would say that you're the reason why President Biden is president today because of you. Meaning you. Oh, and they would be wrong, but go ahead.

But I would show you the numbers. Some would say that you're the reason why President Biden is president. No. Pull up the numbers I just texted you. Pull up the numbers I just texted you. I don't know if you have that or not. If you can put it on display.

Well, like, for instance, I did beat the spread in several states. For instance, Pennsylvania, I did beat the spread. But what you would have to say is something like 80, 85% of the people who voted for me all would have gone to Trump. And that's not the way it would have gone. We tend to get votes from both sides. So it may be if every single vote I got went to one person, but that's not the way it works.

Well, more libertarians would probably align themselves with a Trump then they would with a body. That's not what the research shows. We draw equally from Democrats and Republicans. You think so? That's what the research shows absolutely. So you're going to pack that for some? Yeah, well, I mean, keep the mind. I describe the Democrat that comes across. Comedder finish, I want to actually hear what she's going to say. Well, I was, what I was doing was I was basically going to be answering your question.

Look at cannabis Reform that's libertarian and that's on the left. Look at marriage equality where gays are allowed to get married. That's libertarian and that's on the left. Abortion, although I tend to not, you know, that's an issue that I stay away from and although I tend to not, you know, that's an issue that I stay away from, and their Ron Paul made a libertarian argument for being pro-life. So, you know, I, that's a very inflammatory, so, but that would be where Democrats and the libertarian party would agree on. Immigration, I mean, you go right down the line. There are many people who come over from the left, and I've talked with many of them.

In fact, I met somebody at Bitcoin yesterday. A very interesting story. He was on the left, and then he went to a diversity class. And the professor at a college, and he was the only male in the class. And he's, or maybe a white male. But the professor said, if you are a white male, there's a 100% chance that you're going to rape somebody.

And he was just appalled. So he immediately became a conservative. But then he didn't like some of those ideas. And then he found out about the libertarian party. He said, okay, that's me. So. Go ahead, Tom. No, that's me. So go ahead Tom. Now that's what I was going to ask is to describe the typical den that would come across and the typical Republican would come across who were those voters because we've learned

about that identity politics that you see through the media doesn't really define anybody. But then we discover with a lot of demographic acuity, like what happened to Terry McCollough when the mothers of children in Virginia were so incensed on the level of control over the education of their kids. And we can see that it was all races, but the common stripe was women with children under eighth grade really flipped out and turned on them. And so that's what I was looking for is groups like that that you can describe.

It's like young people that are at public schools but that came from public education with this and this. I didn't know if there was like typical, you know, kind of an archetype for these voters. You talked about issues, but I was kind of curious about the people groups and typicalities such as moms of kids under eighth grade of all races and economic backgrounds attacked Terry McCollough and he was not governor of Virginia.

Right, and I was so glad to see him leave. Now unfortunately you mentioned kids in public schools and if we extend that to college, unfortunately, you mentioned kids in public schools, and if we extend that to college, unfortunately, most of them are going to the left. And we got to put a stop to that problem. In fact, I am part of the founding of an organization of libertarian educators, trying to get together to see, okay, how can we stop this? How can we get in there? Because something like 92, 96% of professors

lean to the left and we've got to get in there and show them and opposing a more sane alternative. So if you, again, like the point I was trying to make that the 1.8 million votes you got the 1.2% the candidates states that you got it, you know Georgia 14,152 votes in Georgia. He had 61,792 in that state that 16 electoral that would have gone the other way Arizona had 49,182 Wisconsin yet 38,045, that's 10 electoral votes. That would have ended up being a tie 269,269.

If you can show that on the screen and zoom it in a little bit, more so people can see it. So just to kind of give some context here as well. The 14,000 votes is what Biden beat Trump with in that state. And then obviously you have the gap, which is you in the middle there, on those votes as well. So just with these four states, you could make, I mean, I know that people do make the argument.

Zoom in a little bit, people do. Those would have pushed you over, would have pushed one way or the other, and then possibly pushed for Trump on that end as well. Yeah, well, as I said, many people from the left also vote libertarian. And in the past, historically, it's about 50-50, although most of our votes come from independence or people have never voted before. So if somebody's never voted

before, and many people came up to me when I was on the campaign trail saying, it wasn't worth it for me to vote before. I'm 30 years old, 40 years old, whatever, because everybody out there is just the typical politicians, but typical politician, but you're different. And so I don't think they would have voted for Trump. Okay, fine. So again, some argument is Ralph Nader is the reason why Bush won, you know, Ross Pro is why Clinton won, and your why Trump won.

Some people may say that, but I wanna go on issues. Let's just go on issues. Let's just go on issues. Let's do that. So when it comes down to issues, what is your position on drugs as a libertarian? What is a libertarian think about with drugs? That our society would be much better if we lifted these restrictions.

And I'd like to point out, one's the last time you heard of a liquor store owner going up and down the halls of a high school, trying to push bourbon, or one's the last time you heard of a vodka addict, trying to break into a house in order to support a vodka habit. Part of the problem we have with drugs

is the illegality because there's a profit in there. If you're selling liquor, which is legal, now you don't have the profit motive to try to sell to kids. It's not worth it for the pennies dollars you would make to end up in prison. It is, however, for the humongous profits that we have in illegal drugs.

And studies have shown that when you make something illegal it goes up in price by about 20 to 25 times that's why we have the problems that we have with so many of that. When you make something illegal the price goes up by 20 to 25 percent some people in California would argue that to say in California they made drugs legal but it was so expensive like marijuana let's just say but it was so expensive like marijuana, let's just say, but it was so expensive that drug dealers Would be high and closer saying listen you're paying that much for that you come through me and I'll sell it to you for this much So still give him an out for it because

There was still you know regulations to it, but what you're saying is let's legalize marijuana Let's legal legalize heroin crack coke of that, and let's let the market decide. Well, let me point out, according to Milton Friedman, we wouldn't even have crack cocaine if it weren't for the illegality. Because economically, it would not make sense to take cocaine and to still down to crack cocaine. It's only because there was such a profit margin that we even have crack cocaine.

And, you know, I'm willing to say, well, first of all, I'd like to point out that so many people were like, oh, wait until marijuana's legal, we're gonna see, you know, gangs in the street with AK-47s and we're gonna have, and we haven't seen that. What we've seen is basically peaceful transactions. If you want to do it step by step, that's fine, but the longer we wait, the longer we're going to have young

kids at risk by these horrendous drug dealers who are in it just to make a profit for themselves. One of the bigger issues you're seeing in California right now, though, is that the illicit market or the legal market for marijuana is twice as big as the legal one. Yes, because they haven't deregulated it, because they're only allowing a few people to sell it. I mean, what would happen if they did that with alcohol? You know, there were only a few people granted the right to be able to sell alcohol. We'd probably still see bathtub gym. And I'd also like to point out, some people say, well, but if everything were legal, then I might

have a meth house next to me. And meth is dangerous. And we all know about meth houses, right? That it's toxic. You can die from being in the house because there's residue and the house could blow up and it's just a bad place for people to hang out. Well, how many houses, have you ever heard of a gin house or a vodka house? We don't have bathtub gin being made anymore.

So if it were legal, now instead of having a meth house next to you, you're going to have seagrams or you're going to have, you know, a pill at Morris, whoever. You're going to have some corporation making those drugs, initially regulated and safely as opposed to next to you. You're not going to have the drugs. You're not going to, it's going to look like alcohol than it does right now. So you mentioned initially regulated, but doesn't that also go against traditional libertarianism

where you don't want the government to truth who would be regulating them to make sure? Oh, absolutely. We have to work within the system we have. And again, there are so many reasons. If we look at the regulation, what we see is we see people getting special, well, first of all, they get special tax breaks. They get, they spend lobbying money and then they get protection.

So no, I would want to do away with that, but you can't just overnight have a libertarian world. So just start right now. We're starting with marijuana. We need, like I said, the quicker we can legalize things and the quicker we can get the drugs out of the hands of the young school kids. So the closest test that we have is San Francisco, right? Because in San Francisco, I don't know if you've been to San Francisco. I'm sorry, the closest. Test, like if you look at what's really taking place right now

with a lot of drugs that is more lenient San Francisco, you got Oregon, you got a couple of the markets, but Crackin, Crackin is a company. If you want to pull up that article, Crackin is a company. This Crackin, CEO CEO Jesse Powell today issued a statement regarding rampant crime in San Francisco and the failure of DA. We shut down Cracken's global headquarters on Mark and San Francisco for numerous employees. We're attacked, harassed, or robbed under way and from the office. Business partners were afraid to visit and were victimized,

crime, mental, news, and drug abuse are out of control in the city, which is dressed dramatically under reported because it's too commonplace. The police are known to arrest the same offenders dozens of times. Thanks to district attorney K catch and release program, which has resulted in numerous preventable murders of innocent people. San Francisco is not safe and not be safe until we have a DA who puts the right to law,

biting citizens above those of the streets criminals, he's so ingruriously protect. So drugs, you know, some may, apparently- Well, what may I respond to that? Yeah, but a parent may, a parent may say, okay, so let's just say we legalize it. All right, so if we legalize crack, heroin, all of that stuff where people can just get it and you're saying regulation, not regulation, you're saying things like this will minimize. This is going to go away. Well, what I would say is San Francisco is the opposite of a libertarian city. It is a socialist city that the San Francisco's got

to be one of the worst cities in the entire country as far as being libertarian. They've got, I mean, yeah, it's socialist. What can I say? And no, they're not cracking down on crime. I mean, I don't, we can go into the whole crime spree, people walking out the door with $850 worth of stuff. How do you handle that? How do you address that? Like, if you were in San Francisco right now, let's just say you're...

Mayor? Yeah, let's just say you're the mayor. What would you do? Well, first of all, I'd make it illegal to shoplift. I would say, I don't care if you walk out with, you know, back a gum. That shoplifting. Now, I wouldn't throw somebody in jail for a pack of gum, of course, but no, there's complete lawlessness in San Francisco. And to me, it is absurd that, again, you're a small business owner, mom and pop store.

Somebody walks out with $800 and that's okay, that's not okay. And once again, we get to, we've got laws that are helping the big guys more than the small guys, Walgreens who is closed, I've lost track now, 14 stores at least. They can shut down 14 stores and then have 49 other sane states as well as parts of California that might be sane and still in a profit. I have seen on TV so many people who, you know, small company, it's been open for generations and now they've got to close or they've got to move to another city because they can't afford to have $800 of stuff stolen or they can't afford, you know, that's their only location. They can't

say, well, we'll just, you know, keep our Virginia branch going. So once again, we've got laws that are helping the big guy, not the little guy, and politicians who just don't care. Richard Branson, Tom, what was it? Richard Branson, a few years ago, said he thinks we should legalize heroin and allow people to use heroin. I don't know if you remember that or not. There's been other people. There's been other people that have been supportive

of this position. I remember talking to Oscar Goodman, the mayor of Vegas. I think his wife is not the mayor of Vegas. 21 years of Goodman, maybe 22 years of Goodman, has been mayor of Las Vegas. He talked about the same thing, he talked about the fact that if you want to use heroin, you want to use this, you want to use that, go at it. He had a similar libertarian belief. Okay, so let's set that part aside.

Let's go to trade. Trade with China, trade with different countries. What is your view on trade, how different with your trade philosophies be than what we have today? My trade philosophy is that people have the right to trade their goods and services with other people, regardless of where they are, and that when you throw tariffs in there, that's basically a hidden tax and people pay more. that's basically a hidden tax and people pay more. You know, let's go to Bangladesh that makes a lot of clothes. If we put tariffs, now poor people in this country

have to pay more for their clothes. And what we have is we have a government that puts all these regulations in place to increase prices. And then the government says, oh, I guess we have to hand out welfare. Well, maybe if they got rid of some of these regulations, we would have cheaper goods and services and people would be able to buy things at a reasonable or cheap cost. So how would you how would your relationship with China be today? Well, how would you how different would you treat China? I hope I hope I would have a very good relationship with China as with other countries.

What does that mean? The example that I like to give is Japan, which is 1941 World War II horrible. They bombed us. I point out, we buy so many Hondas and Toyota's now, they're not going to bomb us now because you tend to not bomb your best customer. So when goods cross borders, soldiers don't have to. So if you have a good trading partner, then why would there be a problem? Because you can help each other. Who do you see right now as enemy,

the enemy, the state number one? Like in America today, so you become president tomorrow. Who is some countries that you'd be very careful doing business with because their motives may not align with our motives? Well, but you have to look at the leaders versus the people. So, friends in Saudi Arabia, years ago, President Bush was like, oh, Saudi, you know, there are friends. Well, yeah, Bush was friends with the king and, you know, the aristocratic people in Saudi Arabia.

Meanwhile, the other people are getting ready for 9-11. So if we can trade freely and people see that it's an advantage and that they're being helped by us, then we would have a better relationship. But again, it's not a matter of this ruler versus this ruler. It's people freely trading goods. And which kind of goes to, we talk about foreign aid. But that's not how things are. You're saying people. So in order for you to, your philosophy to exist,

everybody in the world would need to believe in what you believe in. It's not gonna happen. You're saying for people to trade freely with each other? Well, I mean, it doesn't matter to me, what I shouldn't say doesn't matter to me. It would be nice if China could freely trade with Switzerland, but you know, that's their business. All I'm worried about is Americans being able to trade

with other people? But in that case, if we're freely trading with China, but anything, we can, they can export anything they want here without any trades or tariffs, but the stuff we export there, would we then also have to not have a tariff on that end, or could they do whatever they want in that case? When they end up doing that,

we end up with more money in our pockets. If they want to punish their people, there's nothing we can do about that. What I want to do is not punish our people. I want our people to be able to get the best prices they can. I think that's naive. Is it, I think in one thing there, it's more a short term versus long term.

Is it a good thing in the short term but something that could hurt in the long term? How would it hurt people in the long term? I think if you have export of goods and we're now decreasing, so you're flooding the market with international products, which is good for the consumer, it's cheap. But in the long term, that consumer needs a job and if we're exporting that and you don't have tariffs or a way to protect

that, what are we doing to protect the workers in our country then? Well, you know, politicians, let me give you an example. And if you don't mind, I need to get a care of that. Please, do that. Yeah, please. Can you do me a favor and pull up? I'm sorry. I'm going for it. I'll text you. Go ahead. So, politicians talk about unforeseen consequences.

And that's so frustrating because, you know, like San Francisco saying we're going to prosecute only 900 or 950, whatever, dollars and above. Oh, we didn't see this coming. I mean, you know, you should have seen it coming. So let's take cars. We protected Detroit. And what the government did was they said, don't worry, we'll prop you up.

We'll make sure that people pay tariffs. And so they got lazy. And if you look at what the unions were doing, which was just so frustrating, the unions would say, oh, will you hire us to put one screw in over there, not three screws over here? So we're not going to do it. And so car companies were unable to innovate. And so now you're still going to the, you're still going to the dealership. Well, I want the power windows, but not the power door locks. And meanwhile, Japan over there, which is really competing, they're the ones saying, Oh, guess what, we're going to give you all that free. So basically, we're propping up an industry and hindering it

because we're protecting it from free market forces. And if the government had not protected them, then maybe they would have been more competitive. And it would be like, okay, union, we don't care what you say. You're putting three screws over there, we're going to go get somebody else because we've got to be able to compete with Japan. And I teach in my social psychology class that competition is good and that's one of the

reasons, and there's a trade-off, but I won't go into the academic stuff. But the reason that we're walking around with such awesome phones, like yours right there, is basically Bill Gates and Steve Jobs hated each other, and they wanted to outdo each other. And each one came up, well, I'm going to do this, and then the next one, I'm going to do that. And they were fiercely competitive, and were the ones who won out. And part of the reason that technology

was able to move as fast as it did is that the government couldn't keep up and regulate it at every level. You know, when it comes to cars, that's for, you know, like 80s, 90s, kind of low technology. You've got cafe standards, you know, kind of low technology. You've got cafe standards, mileage, Biden just put in other mileage. So we've got the government hindering competition by throwing all these things at them.

Computers were going so fast they couldn't even keep up. So I think that's a good example of, you're saying that the government is hindering. But if the government is hindering, how then would not tariffs also just ruin it even more? Because I think you can either go away with all of it and have it more competitive and kind of go about without round, or you can't just take away certain things. If you take away tariffs without taking away unions in that end, which is the opposite end of it, right? Either they have control or they have no control. So then at that that point you're just hindering more and just crushing it more.

Oh, trust me, under a Georgian's administration, the unions would not have the power that they have. Now, do I think that people should be able to freely and collectively get together and bargain? Absolutely. What I'm completely against is the special rules that unions get to where basically unions can hold companies hostage. So if you want to get together and you unionize and you say we're going to demand this and the company says, not we're going to hire another 1,000 people. Goodbye. Okay. In other words, free market union bargaining.

But let's go back to that in regards to China. It's very important to stay on China. Let's stay on China. So it's because it's the country that wants to take over US. What do you mean why? You can't say why? As a candidate It's what most Americans fear the power and the motive that China has they get up and talk about

America that they want to break the crush the skull of anybody that gets in the way and that's there for and minister saying that and you're saying why but let me stay on Let me ask my question. Let me ask my question, and then I'll turn it over to you. So if I'm a voter, whether I'm on the left or the right, I fear certain countries. And if I'm probably going to fear a little bit of Iran, I'm going to fear a little bit of Russia, probably a lot more today. I'm going to fear China. And then there's a few other countries that I would fear, right? Okay.

To say, yeah, it's just give them trade. I mean, it's just, it's okay. Let them do trades with us. And as long as they're sending us the product, that's great. Well, what eventually happens is you eventually rely on that country where 80% of the chips are being made there. And the value of cars goes to the roof. And you got China's COVID cases are

record breaking as of today. Those are China's COVID cases. John, if you can show that on the screen and if these guys get COVID cases, I don't know if you've seen what China just did, the entire nation's been shut down. So they're not working now. So I can't get chips out now. So now I have to delay the value of use cars are about to go up another 10%, 20%. China doesn't give a shit about America. China doesn't wake up in the morning saying, well, Joe Jorgens and your libertarian philosophies

are so sweet, we're gonna follow it as well. And here's what we're gonna follow. They don't care about us. And because of all these relations we've had with them over the last 40 years, we have made a country that was not in the top 10 of GDP. Now number two is about to pass up US and They're now realizing the world revolves around us US owes and 1.1 trillion dollars of debt

And they got to make those payments to them if we're not it's naive to say that what I do think were libertarian would a work is if a Countries being founded so your philosophy's, if you go start your own country from the beginning, then I would move to it. But it is so hard to change the infrastructure of a country like this to say, well, let's do this. Well, let's do that. But that also means the way we've trained all these other powerhouse countries in the world

that we've empowered they also have to change. We're naive if we think they're going to change. I'll turn it over to you. Well, there are about four or five questions packed in there. I would still point out, you said that China doesn't care about us. Japan cares about us now. These are two different countries. I know. But keep saying Japan, Japan's not China. I know. But my point is, is that Japan bombed us earlier. They wouldn't bomb us now because we're buying a lot, what would they do without us buying all their toyos

and Hondas? It's in their best interest. As I said, when goods cross borders, soldiers can not do, but you talked about chips. Part of the reason that we've got so many chips made in China is because of the tech structure, because of the unions, because of all the problems we've got in the U.S. that if we could have more of a free market here, then

we would have more chips made here. So again, I like to sometimes quote my running mate in 1996, Harry Brown. He said what the government does is a break your leg and then they expect you to be grateful in the hand you crutches And that's exactly what we're doing. So we we we've got so many taxes that Manufacturing has moved off, but in fact Notice Trump lowered that and some people started coming back. So, you know, what if we put that at zero? Do you think maybe there'd be chips made here? So yeah, that's why we're relying on China for that. Oh my God, if you go with the approach

of just being passive with China, they will use and abuse you in capital. They will say, I'm so glad a Dr. Joe Jorgensen is president because she is so sweet. Let's take advantage of America. It's gonna be so awesome for us because, look what Russia did. Here's the thing with Russia, right?

How do you think Russia views a Biden versus a Trump? Love, hate, whatever you wanna call Trump or Biden, Russia or the world didn't do anything under Trump's administration, okay? You didn't have any Afghanistan issues, you had Palestine and Israel getting along, 25 years first time, you didn't have any the stuff that was going on with Russia. Everybody was pretty chill. Say, you know, maybe we don't

need to do anything. Then all of a sudden, a leader like Biden gets in, nice man, seems like a very nice man. I don't know his motives and all that other stuff. When I look at him at face value, I'm like, okay, very nice. What happens? Boom Taliban, opportunity, boom, Russia, opportunity, Ukraine, boom. Everybody's like, opportunity, opportunity Ukraine boom everybody's like opportunity opportunity Look, I I want to sit there and say these things make sense But there's some real legitimate oppositions America has today that we have to know how to manage them Okay, again going back to this Joe today China shut down today Most of our air conditioning comes from there.

Most of the equipment we get from there. Yeah, again, we should be making that here, but because of the tax structure, because of the unions, because of many other things were not, and how about we solve that problem so we can start bringing many times from that? And this brings me back to, this brings me back to why you ought to consider running for Congress or Senate instead of president

This brings me back to why don't you do a you know working from the bottom grassroots movement yeah grassroots movements. Let's get some more Senate you're at the Bitcoin conference. Why don't you go inspire a ton of these guys to go and want to go be congressman and congresswoman and mayors and governors and senator. Oh, in fact, I just did that yesterday. Okay. I talked with somebody who said he was interested in libertarian and the way he was talking, and I asked him, well, have you considered running for office? Actually, I think I've asked two or three people that, but the guy I talked with yesterday said, you know what happened thinking about that?

Maybe mayor. And I said, you should do that. So, and, and we do need more libertarians at the state and local levels and our campaign. One of our goals of our campaign was to help people running for state and local. So, for instance, probably more so than any other presidential campaign.

What we would do is we would take the data real time, give it to people who were running for state and local offices. And because in the past, many, many different campaigns have promised to give the information, and they would get them to them like a year later after the election or not get it to them at all. But we were probably the best in Libertarian Party history

for getting that information to those people so they would have data they could use so that they could try to win their offices. And we recently had a Libertarian voted into a state rep place. And we do have a couple of prominent Libertarians at the local level. And I think that that is very important

because so many people have never heard of libertarians or were the wild crazy people with the horns and they can see that we've got very good ideas that work. And the people who have run the Jeff Hewitt gym tourney, they've been doing a great job and people started saying, you know what, this actually does work. How about we do cut taxes? How about we do that people make their choice.

Now you gotta agree with cutting taxes, right? You can't. That's not the point of, of course I am a capitalist. Of course I agree with cutting taxes, but for me it's the all-in package. It's not just one area of cutting tax. I can't even get in with the drugs part. Okay, fine.

Let's just say, if I go to this. Oh, we just, you, you, well, the reason I said that is because when I said cutting taxes, you kind of side. And I thought, well, that's common ground. You can't agree on it. I'm, of course, I'm there, but here's what I'm thinking about. I'm, so consider me from the angle I'm processing. I can't run for office.

I'm not born here. If I was born here, I'd have a different conversation, but I can't. So I can't create that kind of change, right, myself. But I'm talking more from your standpoint of where you are. Why isn't this message that is somewhat a common sense, not trade, not a few departs? I have a hard time with some of the parts of it,

because you can never underestimate the power of an enemy that wants to take you down. Never. If you do that, you are so naive, you don't belong in office. You can never underestimate that. And quite frankly, I don't want to have a leader that will underestimate the enemy because I'll scare the crap out of me for four years. And I want that person at office as quickly as possible. I don't want that. But I want to go to another thing. Well, can I just say something really quickly? And then, and the reason I was saying, you know, can we move on? Because maybe this is an agreed to disagree. And there are so many other topics I'd love to cover. But in

my campaign, I said that I wanted to turn America into one giant Switzerland, armed and neutral. Absolutely. I want a strong military. Absolutely have our borders safe. You know, absolutely. Order safe. That's not your position. You think borders should be open. You think people should come in and out. Borders. Borders should be protected from enemies. And so, yes, I want, you know, like I said, one giant Switzerland, except lately they waited on the Ukraine thing, but that's another thing.

So no, I want a strong defense so that I can protect America. But you were going on, you were leading somewhere else. Yeah, so where I was going with this, but since you went there, let's just kind of go to the border side. What are your thoughts about immigration? Should people just cross the border and come to America if they choose to? How should we treat illegal immigrants

crossing a border in the South? My position is three of my grandparents are immigrants. They came over in the early 1900s. And that's what I'd like to see us go back to, which is pretty much open borders. Of course, we don't give them free phones, we don't give them free healthcare, we don't do all of that.

And of course, if we know MS-13 gang members or, you know, terrorists, of course, we don't let them in. But what made our country great is people like my grandparents coming over here and working hard for the American dream. And that's one of the reasons why I love my country so much. My grandmother, when I was younger,

used to tell me about the old country, about how the old country, They just take all your money so everybody has the same and you can work and work and work and you don't get anywhere. And listening to her stories is really what made me love this country so much. And she came over here, worked very hard. And my grandfather worked very hard from the same country, although they met here. And by the way, what's scary is the country that she came from is Denmark. And Denmark, you know, we don't think of it as an oppressive country, but she would tell us how, yeah, they just take all your money and here you can work hard and earn a living. And by the way,

when they died, it's not like they had a mass to huge fortune. In fact, they lived in Florida and lived in, why you used to call it a trail or she would correct me and say, a mobile home. And, but the thing is, as she said, in America, you can live how you want and you can work hard and make something of yourself. Open borders.

Open borders. Again, I'm not going to let terrorists come across. and make something of yourself. Open borders. Open borders. Again, I'm not going to let terrorists come across. How? How are you going to figure out who's a terrorism? Who's not? Do I look like a terrorist? What if I come across?

Don't we know? Don't we know? Don't we keep track of people? So are they, is there going to be an ICE? Would there be a border patrol workers to come through? Would they have to ID them? So what do you mean by open border? Would there not be a wall? Would there not be a fence? Would there not be anything for people to come through, would they have to ID them? So what do you mean by open border? Would there not be a wall?

Would there not be a fence? Would there not be anything for people to come across? Like I said, like the early 1900s, when we had more people come in, I mean, now let's see opposite. Yeah, but okay, so let me get this part right. I wanna really understand this. So if I go, if I'm saying I'm coming from Tijuana,

what am I crossing if I'm coming from Tijuana? Is there a gate? Is there a border patrol? Is there a nice in your world, in your administration? This gets into something that's controversy on the libertarian party because there are many who say yes we want to get another susai no. So I would prefer to have it so that we have minimal checking. Here's one of the biggest problems that we have right now is that you know because so many people say well people just need to come over legally. But the system is set up so that hardly anybody can come over legally. So I would like to flip it around so we've got more people than not being able to pass through. But, you know, we've got national security people who know who some terrorists are. They know who the gangs are.

Oh my God, Joe, you sound naive again. You can't say that. So let me go back to that. I don't mean to offend you. Please, I don't mean to be disrespectful, but I like, I like to experience it. Yeah. So, so, but go back to the border. So you didn't answer the question. I, I, I want as clear of an answer on this one as possible, because would we have an ice and border patrol under a Georgian, Georgians in administration, or would anybody be able to drive by and come to US? Can I answer that if I'm a candidate again? Will you have me back if I'm a candidate?

No, I wanna hear it now. Because, no. I'm not a candidate now. No, but if you're on the stage, by the way, I'm not even a moderator, I'm not even asking questions on a debate. If you can't answer the question to a guy like me, I want to hear it from you because I think the audience would want to know. We have a lot of your followers and we have people

who are considered a lot of people who call themselves libertarian that now are like, that I'm not down with that. That just completely threw me off. Well, yeah, and see, that's where I'm getting. Up until recently, the Libertarian Party platform was that we only let people across the border who are not going to take away your life, liberty, or property. And now it's become more open borders. So that's why I'm saying there's some serious discussion

in the Libertarian Party. And my promise to the Libertarian Party was that I would uphold the platform. And I do like the idea of only letting people across with who believe in life, liberty, and property that they're not going to take those from. How do you verify that? So not going to take those from? So would you have a border before? Would you have a fence?

Do we verify that now? If I go to Tijuana, which I've gone to many times when I was 18 years old, if I'm coming back, there'd be a line of cars and there's a fence that I have to cross time. You've gone through this before when you go to Tijuana. There's a fence and what did they do? Can we see the idea of everybody in the car? How about making it wider so the line's not so long, first of all? I think this is a very serious issue, Joe.

I want to go back to what you're saying, though. What is under your administration, what does that border look like? If somebody is coming from Central or South America because their country has a lot of problems. They're escaping whatever regime they're going through. They're escaping the Mexican cartel. They're trying to come to America. Or the ISIS is trying to figure out a way to come through the border because Americans are

being politicians, are being naive and they open up the border to say, oh, we're just an open border type of place. And ISIS will say, what a naive bunch of people. Let me get in there. This is an easy way for me to get in under your administration. That would be open. I would suggest that we have better national intelligence that we don't know, you know, that we don't know who the dangerous people.

We're not going to get everybody, but we're not gonna get everybody who are homegrown terraced either. I mean, we've got a Timothy McVeigh who was born on the soil. So it's never going to be of, you never have utopia. But what I'm asking you is, would your borders be open? Would it look like going from Florida to Georgia?

No. What would it look like? It would look like where everybody who comes across if national security has said that this person shouldn't come across. It's going to be more like 99% coming across. So what we have now, we just had two million border crossings last year. Well, but the problem that we have now, we've got two problems now. We've got, we've got an impossible system to become a legal immigrant. There's low quotas. People have to go through too much paperwork. Secondly, when they come here,

we've got a welfare state that, you know, that we say, okay, we can pick up on them. Although, well, two things. First of all, yeah, I don't like this whole phone idea. I don't know why we're giving people free phones. Yeah, they're giving them phones instead of ankle bracelets. Guys, I want to simplify this whole phone idea. I don't know why we're giving people free phones. Yeah, they're giving them phones instead of ankle bracelets. Guys, I want to simplify this.

It's very simple. No, I want to talk borders. Let's down borders. What happens if a libertarian candidate is the president? What does the borders look like? Oh, that's what I'm telling you. I'm going to let 99% of the people go. To come in.

But 99% come in. Yes, we'd have similar numbers, like two million, three million higher than that. Yeah. It would be like when my grandparents came across, which is what helped make our country great. But I would like to go back to the charity because I said, I don't, you know, I don't like the fact that we've got so many welfare programs that they can come in and take advantage of. However, many of them are set up so that somebody has to be here one year, two years, five years, depending on what it is, depending on if it's state or local, depending on if it's from one state to another. I don't believe that many of these people are coming across the border just for our welfare.

I think many of them are coming across for the very reason that my grandparents came across, which is to work hard and make a better life for themselves. I think I still don't have an answer, though. That's what I'd like to talk about. Go ahead, Tom. Joe, respectfully. You know, in your answers here, you're pointing back to some very real issues. Okay. So we have quotas, we have H1B quotas for professional knowledge workers, we also have certain quotas for total immigration.

Yeah, those are things that are going on now, but if you were president, you know, damn well that in executive order you could sign on day one and you can move those numbers. The question really is. And I would. And I would. And what people want to hear is what does open border mean specifically for you, the libertarian president? And if you could answer that. Again, I'm letting in 99% of the people.

She just did. And through intelligence, I'm letting in 99% of the people and through intelligence, I'm going to have somebody stopping somebody that we know is a murderer, somebody who, you know, that we know is a terrorist from the Middle East. So naive. Somebody that's a gang. How are you going to know? Like, can you read my, okay? What number am I thinking right now?

Again, but what I'm trying to say is how do you know anybody's motives? How do you know like like are we gonna have a Born identity not bored. I did any minority to report technology to know who's about to create a future crime and arrest people on future crimes You don't know you you don't, you don't even say we don't have that kind of intelligence to track all of that. But I can say the same thing. How do we know that Timothy McVeigh was going to go and bomb people? There are dangerous people in this country as well. You can't know every motive. But you can know who gang members are in Mexico, right? And Mr. 13. can't get you. You know them.

So then that then goes to, if we already have so many problems like a Timothy McFae in our country, why don't we close the borders and make the requirements clear, but a little bit more picky on who we hire, a company who just hires anybody and everybody into the company without a filtering system, whoever that hiring person is in that company should be fired because there's got to be certain criteria on how you hire people, right? You want me to give you some of them? Yeah. It's very easy.

I want to know what your experience is. I want to know what kind of qualifications you got. Oh, and so, yeah. I want to know what you bring to the table. I want to know how you're going to make my company better. Of course. How many jobs you've had in the last five years and how many times you've changed. I want to know what your attendance is. I want to know how you're going to make my company better. I want to know how many jobs you've had in the last five years and how many times you've changed. I want to know what your attendance is. I want to call your three references. I want to put a small

challenge to you in the interview process and tell you, Joe, I like your attitude. I like the way this is going. Do you like to read books? I do. I want you to read this book right a paper on it into this third interview. I want to see what you get out of this book. You're willing to do that. Sure. If you don't come back 50% at a time, you don't finish a small assignment like that. You're not going to finish a small assignment when you're hired with me. I just filtered out the people that don't want to do the work. I would filter those people out instead saying, come on in everybody. Let's hire everybody. So why don't we just hire 200 people, forget about hiring anybody. Let people apply to work for this company and don't even know where

you're at. Just bring them all in. That just, the logic behind, even I'm thinking purely logically as an operator, I can't logically, I should have never, like if I think about myself at a certain age, you should have never hired me because I was not qualified to be hired. So we should let anybody do the border. Okay, so let me go.

We can agree to disagree and get to more interesting topics. Yeah, well, this is a very interesting topic. And by the way, a lot of people are worried about this specific topic. Yeah, except I don't think we're gonna get anywhere. No, but I think, but what I do think, a lot of people are here saying, you know, there is an answer to that.

I wanna know what the position is for the libertarian party on how they manage that. But you didn't just get like 10,000 votes. You didn't get 20,000 votes. You got 1.8. So the way you got 1.8, I'm trying to think, did you guys get 1.8 because there's 1.8 million libertarians in America?

Is it just talking to the base of people that agree with you or you don't talk to people that maybe challenge the position and break it down where others can make up their mind and say, well, this makes sense or this doesn't make sense because that also gets your argument to be stronger to say, well, listen, I just sat down with this guy, yes, that question, I don't have an answer for guys, we gotta be ready because someone's gonna ask me this question

under the election, we gotta watch this clip, here's how I answered it, you should have said this, this is the position, got it, let's roleplay clip. Here's how I answered it. You should have said this. This is the position. Got it. Let's role play. So that's how I would train my candidate if I'm their campaign manager. But let's go through another top. I have two questions on immigration before that.

You mentioned that. Kai, Hank, hold on. I thought, I want to ask this one question, and then I'm going to come back to you. Let's do it. So selling stuff, what shouldn't be sold legally? What should be illegal to sell? What list would you come up with?

I'm asking you. I mean, people shouldn't be sold. Okay, so prostitution under libertarian would be illegal. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Pimping would be illegal. That's not the same thing as selling. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, problem. That's why we have the problems with pimping right now is because it's not legal. If you look at a place where it is legal like in Nevada, certain parts of Nevada, you don't have the STIs, you don't have the pimps beating up the women, you don't have a lot of the dangerous problems going on. And why should it be illegal?

Okay, so pimping should be illegal under a... But you keep saying pimping. That's very important. I'm a let you say a first. No, but I'm being specific. I'm a person's opinion. How about prostitution? I'm asking you prostitution.

Should that be legal? Absolutely. It's your body. Do whatever you want to do with it. Well, not if you're going to hurt somebody else, but if you're going to have a consensual relationship with somebody else of course. And get paid for it, that's totally fine. I don't discriminate against ugly people.

I mean, some guys maybe they couldn't get a hot chick without that. Why shouldn't they have the same things as somebody who has money or looks? There you go, okay, so what should be illegal? What should be illegal to be sold? Do you wanna give me a list? Because no, first of all, nobody's ever asked me that question. Secondly, I can't think of any inanimate object that would qualify.

So let's just say Elon Musk has got $300 billion. He wants to go buy nuclear bomb. Should it be illegal? That question is so ridiculous. I guess it depends on how dangerous of a neighborhood he lives in. You know, but you want to. Is that really on the top 10 concerns of borders mind? Oh, it is. No, I see a place. Well, border is definitely one of them and you wanted to skip that because you didn't think it's a big deal China was one of them and you said can we go to another topic? That's one of their top 10 issues now trying to get a little bit more different because I'm saying what product because let's just say crack Should be legal. Well, let's just can I tell you?

Yeah, please okay, we didn't skip China. We just got to a stalemate. I gave you my Japan answer I gave you my chips and we I gave you my chips in the west. Three hours. I know. I know. But, uh, but yeah, again, you keep mentioning crack. We wouldn't even have crack if it if cocaine hadn't been illegal. According to Nobel Prize winning economist, um, Milton Friedman. So one follow up on pets with what shouldn with what can it can't be sold? What age can certain things be sold? Is there a limit on that? Alcohol now is 21 here.

It's 18 in most other countries. Drugs, legalization, is there a certain age where you can or can? And who says that and what's the process of making sure that that's followed? Well, I'm fine with 18 and I'd like to point out the reason that it's 21 is Elizabeth Dole because basically if a state, the residents would send their money to the federal government and the only way for them to get it back would be for bribery to occur, which is, okay, you're only getting your money back, That's your money, by the way, if you raise your drinking age to 21.

Why shouldn't different states have different laws in which one state's 18, another one's 21, another's 20? So, competition among states, but what we have with the federal government is one size fits all where we don't get much choice. But no, I'm not having, you know, an age limit of five on alcohol. That's ridiculous.

18 is pretty reasonable. And what about drugs? I mean, 18 across the board is fine with me. And is that also be a country thing, or is it more a state, or even like a city county? Yeah, states, I mean, there are dry counties. And what happens if you are on vacation in a different state and you're breaking the law, like, for instance, if you, there's cases of people who have marijuana,

they live in California, they go to some parties, where it's not legal, you get caught, like, what's the ramifications there? How does that look like? they go to some parties where it's not legal, you get caught. Like, what's the ramifications there? How does that look like? Well, just as we ended alcohol prohibition nationally, I would like to end marijuana prohibition nationally.

But so that we don't have that with that, though, if one county or one state says we don't want to, are you then limiting that they have to or is it more a, well, if you don't want to, then you don't have to. Again, I think people have the right to make their choice. I mean, notice we're not having this conversation on alcohol. We're not saying, you know, well, what if, you know, Mississippi wanted to outlaw alcohol,

and I'd like to point out and I know from my job that marijuana is a heck of a lot safer than alcohol and so again we've got a system in which the politicians they prefer alcohol so they make their drug legal why not make other people's drugs legal Joe just said it here so who have you debated who's been your toughest debate ever I mean I didn't feel that any of my debates were tough. I don't, I, I, yeah. Who have you debated? In 1996, I was in the third party debate.

When I debated the Green Party, Constitution Party and those in March before the nomination, I was also in the third party debate where I sat next to the Green Party nominee and a few other people. And then of course the debates within the Libertarian Party. But when's the last time you had a really tough debate against a non-libertarian? When is the last time you had a... Well, it was pretty easy debating the Green Party candidate, that's for sure. So, yeah let me continue. When is the last time you had a debate with a non-libertarian

or non-green party? When is the last time you had a debate with somebody that was non-libertarian non-green? Well, an official debate, like I said, it would be in the nomination process in 2020. 2019, 2020. Who'd you debate? Well, as I said, the green party, I don't remember who always on the stage, some of them are parties I'd never heard of, but I have heard of the green party.

And then in 2020, it was within the party. So you've never debated anybody that's opposing libertarian or green party. Well, I mean, again, like if I'm a party, but I want to Google it right now, I'm on YouTube right now. If I type in Joe Jorgensen debate, what would you say is the part, the debate that you had, that was either a Democrat or Republican or an independent?

Oh, there was a Democrat or two in the debate in Chicago in March. Yeah, I guess it would have been March 2020. Who were they when you debated them? I don't remember their names. Was it a stage debate? Was it public? Oh, yeah, it was in Chicago. And what was the format?

What was the format of the debate? We would go down the line and answer questions and get to respond to each other. But that's not a debate. So you've never really... Well, I mean, yeah, it's not like the Lincoln Douglas were debate, so it wasn't. Who? Are you planning on running in 2023, 2024? I don't know.

OK, so let's just say you are. Who is your, who is your, like, who behind closed doors are they sitting there and and like, you know, going back and forth to ask, six, you say this, if they say this, you say this, like, who does that with you guys back and forth debating? Do you guys practice a lot of that? Well, since I was in no debates in after the nomination, we didn't do it. We were invited to the third party debate.

However, I, we were on the ballot and all 50 states. We didn't do it. We were invited to the third party debate. However, we were on the ballot in all 50 states. And so I did not want to debate the other parties because that would get us into comparison with them as opposed to the Democrats and Republicans. If I debated the Green Party, then for the next four weeks them as opposed to the Democrats and Republicans. If I debated the Green Party, then for the next four weeks, I'd have reporters as can meet a compare,

what about this on the debate stage? And now compare this. And the Libertarian Party is the only party other than the Democrats and Republicans to be on the ballot in all 50 states. There, and so I'm not going to debate the green party or Kanye West who's on 16 states. I'm actually probably will get you more eyeballs if you debated Kanye West. I'm probably.

That actually might not be a bad idea. But going back to it. So debating, so who's been your toughest interview? Who has interviewed the toughest and pushed you where you got off saying, what a son of a bitch. In the past? Yes.

Toughest interview ever. Where you couldn't wait to finish the interview. Oh, that would have been in 1996 when I was running for VP and I interviewed somebody in Ohio, but I don't remember the guy's name. It's a long time ago. It is.

It's a long time ago. That's like saying, you want to be a heavyweight champion today, but the last time you fought a heavyweight was 26 years ago. You know how tough that is? Well, no. You didn't ask one's the last time my fought a heavyweight. That was the last time because I wasn't as prepared in 1996. So who's the last heavyweight you fought? Who's your last heavyweight. That was the last time because I wasn't as prepared in 1996. So who's the last heavyweight you fought? Who's your last heavyweight you fought?

Oh, like who interviewed me? Yeah, who's the toughest interview you've had recently? Well, but again, I wouldn't call it tough, but you know, the Washington Post, I mean, I got interviewed by several media people, but I didn't consider them tough. Yeah. So, okay. So, for me, the reason why I asked that question is because I've sat with other libertarians and for somebody who politically was on a different side. And I said, I'm like, let me hear the libertarian argument. And, you know, I'm like, oh, okay, that makes sense. Oh, okay, well, you know what? That's a good point. You got me thinking, oh, wow, okay, you know what? Never thought

about it. I never looked at drugs that way. I never looked at prostitution that way before. I never looked at, you know, stealing that way before. Interesting. Okay, cool. It made me think, right? And I don't feel, I ask the top. So the meth house didn't make you think, the idea that, okay, if we had Philip Morris making meth instead of the guy next door that that would be safer, isn't that maybe something you haven't heard? And we didn't get into prostitution,

but hey, I think I was pretty unique saying that I don't wanna discriminating against ugly guys. I mean, right now to do it legally, you have to have money or you have to be good looking right to get the woman that you want with her looks. Are you open to feedback? Can I give feedback? Okay. So if I wanted to give you feedback, here's what I would do. I would sit you down in a room like this for four weeks straight and I would grill the hell out of you until you were throwing stuff at me. Oh, absolutely.

Yeah, and you would throw stuff at me because I know how to do that. And you would say, Pat, I need a break. I'd say, no problem. Go for it. Take a break. Come back. Okay, Dr. Joe we roleplay this I'm gonna ask a question one more time. What are your points? Boom And I would I would go back and forth back and forth back and forth because there's a difference between the big stage and between debating other libertarians I mean what does the debate with a libertarian look like? Okay, I agree with him Yeah, I agree with him but I also agree with him but what I would say is this but I think the ages 19 But I think the HB 18 but I think the border should be this but I think Yeah, I agree with him. But I also agree with him. But what I would say is this, but I think the ages 19, but I think the age should be 18, but I think the border should

be this, but I think that, but I agree, but I agree, but I agree. I mean, the most important time we had a debate, Tyler, who was a debate we have with the two marijuana folks that we had here debating? Dr. Browell is. Yeah. And then no, no, no, it wasn't even that. It was that the beta had between Alan Dershowitz and the other gentleman who wrote. Yeah, the vaccine. And then 20 minutes into my guys, why don't we just finish this debating guys who have dinner together because every word is I agree, I agree, I agree. Nobody wants to see something like that.

People want to learn on opposing ideas to sit there and say, that doesn't make any sense. Okay. So how do you, blood change is subject. How do you feel President Biden is doing so far? Oh, awful. Tell me why. Almost couldn't be worse. Why? Go right down the list. The masks. Well, first of all, the fact that he basically

thinks he's king for everybody, for every decision, the fact that he thinks he can tell schools what to do, the fact that he's given Fauci so much power, that he's shutting down businesses, that he's printing up money, handing out checks. I can't think of anything he's done right. The only thing that I would have done that he did was withdraw the troops, but I certainly wouldn't have taken the

soldiers out first and left the civilians. That doesn't even make sense. So the one thing that I agree with him on, he totally screwed up. I can't think of anything he's done right. What did you like, what trumped it? Trump do anything right. Yes, he did reduce some regulations. He, yeah, reducing regulations, reducing taxes. Now of course, the debt and the deficit were getting into a bomb a territory, but yeah, deficit. Oh, and Anne, I did like his pick for the Supreme Court, which one? Amy, no, Amy, yeah. Yeah, I like, I would have a hundred times picked her over almost three

some. Okay, so libertarian, let's talk about transgender where you know the conversation with Disney saying you know Sex said by third grade and you know after third grade we do sex said and then I think Jen Sackie Yes, if you want to put out what Jen Sackie said yes, I said about transgender. I don't know if you saw that or not put Jen Sackie said yes, it about transgender. I don't know if you saw that or not. Put Jen Sackie transgender yesterday briefing. Yeah, if you can, huh? Salt for news. Salt for news. It wouldn't be March 31st.

Go back to it because it was yesterday. It's April 7th. I want to say just tap the news. Yeah. Press the briefing, press the requester. You know what I'm saying? They're not even going to put it up there. Are they so ridiculous? Can you zoom in a little bit to see if we have it? Yeah, leture, etc. They're not even gonna put it up there are they.

It's so ridiculous. Can you zoom in a little bit to see if we have it? Yeah, let me find it. Okay, you find it. But meanwhile, what is your position with Disney coming out and then Disney saying that 50% of their characters moving forward within 12 months are gonna be part of the LGBTQ community. What's your thoughts on that?

Well, Disney is a private company and Public company. I mean, I'm sorry. What I mean, it's not the government. Okay. I mean, it's it's the free market as opposed to government So they can do whatever they want and their customers can do whatever they want and I've heard many people say that We are not going to Continue to put our money into Disney. And I don't like what they're doing. But can I step back to the bigger transgender issue? Because this is another issue in which I think both the Democrats and the Republicans are

basically wrong. On the Republican side, many Republicans are saying, you know, well, first of all, people are confusing sex with gender. And to use a, you know, shorthand method, gender's between the ears, sex is between the legs. So, and yes, it is possible, and I'm teaching this in class right now, it is possible to have the genitalia that do not match because of hormones prenatally, especially around the sixth and seventh week. So the Republicans act as though there's no such thing as being transgender, that you're basically just cross-dressing, which is a different thing. The Democrats, on the other hand, act like 25% of the population is transgender. Now we've got to change all of our laws. I mean, it's less than 1%.

It's one out of 1,000 people are transgender. So there is a sane place in the middle where we can say yes, a very, very small minority of people are transgender. And why do we need to make laws about that? And oh, and see, this gets back to the don't say gay thing, that gets more into parents not having choice over their schools. And I can tell you that before age 10,

kids are not thinking about any kind of sex. They don't understand being attracted to another person. Even heterosexual eight-year-olds are not thinking about heterosexual sex. So why are we teaching, why are they teaching? Homosexual sex to eight years old, to eight year old. It doesn't make any sense. But instead of having a law,

what we need to have are schools that parents can choose to send their kids to in which the parents decide. And I do think that parents would overwhelmingly say, what do you mean you're teaching my seven year old about homosexual sex? That's just not even on the radar. So Jen Sackie says, sex reassignment surgery, puberty blockers for kids

as best practice, states preventing it will be held accountable. So for you, no that's horrible. It is the libertarian position, let the person do whatever they want to do with their body? Or, you know, for nine year old wants to change their sex, that should be okay. What would your position be with that?

It, the research is so clear that you should not do sex reassignment before age 16, 18, at least. Many kids, it really can be a phase. In fact, I just said that gender dysphoria is about 1 out of 1,000 in the population. Some recent polls have shown that 2% of high school kids think that they're transgender. OK, that can't be right. So these are some people who think they are think that they're transgender. Okay, that can't be right. So these are some people who think they are, but they're not.

And so I believe that good medicine would win out in this case. That if you go to a medical doctor who's trained and who has read the research, they're not going to give you gender reassignment surgery. But the problem we have now is once again, the government is overstepping and they're basically telling doctors you have to do this. And you know, has Jen Saki gone to medical school? Has she read the research? Has Biden read the research? So why do we have people who are politicians making these decisions? Let's take some corners. Let's take some callers. Let's take some callers.

John, did you have a question for? Yes, so real quick. I will never forget Ron Paul getting absolutely grilled by Bill Buckley on the Libertarian Party and their stances. So you were talking earlier about having the CIA have information on people who may come across the border or ICE or my question is what is your stance or the Libertarian party stance on

organizations like ice and hs the CIA the FBI the F would you have an FDA would you keep these organizations abolish them would it be case by case how would you would you privatize everything what would be your stance on yes many of them would be about. So let me mention the FDA specifically. I'm fine with, I mean, first of all, I think a free market FDA kind of organization would be much better than being under the government. Because nothing works better under the government than it does in the free market. And let me give you an example of that. We've got, let's say, going, if, and let me go broader, okay, in the government, you

can screw up and it's not going to cost you, Because I've had people say, well, what about OSHA? What about having people out there regulating? Well, if you look at things like Yelp or the mobile restaurant guide or Zagat, they are going to put out the best information they can. Because if they say this restaurant is five stars and you go there at Sucks, you're going to stop using them. You're going to stop giving them money, but the government can't go out of business. So you can be a safety inspector. In fact, I've talked to a few people on the campaign trail who said, oh, yeah, and I worked in

Chicago and they basically gave me a hard hat and gave me forms, and they said, just go and ask the people to sign them. Like basically, don't even look. Because what happens if you don't look? The government's not going to go out of business. So rather than the FDA, which is protected by the government, which you can't fire them, I'd rather the free market get rid of the people,

get rid of the organizations who do not do well. So now, if you want to keep an FDA as an advisory role, okay, but not having them make legislation, and that's one of the problems is we've got like the FDA, we've got the CDC that are now becoming legislators. As I said, with the CDC coming around and saying that, yeah, don't evict anybody from your apartment. What? They're not elected. And they shouldn't have the right to do that anyway. If anything, eviction laws should be done at the state and local

level, not the federal level. My position is, if you're not in the military, you should have almost zero contact with the federal government, that it should be run state and locally. Let's take some callers. Let's take it. There's some people that I wanna really talk. So let's take some callers.

John, if you're ready, let us know who you got and we'll go through it. We have Raoul on the phone. Raoul, how are you? I'm good. How are you? Fantastic. So Raoul, what's on you mind? how are you? I'm good. How are you? Fantastic. So Raul, what's on you, man? What question do you have for Dr. Joe?

Awesome. So I am a guy who are a new kind of worker. So I don't have any interest in getting into politics. Well, I'm curious, that's what advice you go with getting this young person looking at getting into politics. Oh, a young person getting into politics? Yeah. So a lot of reporters asked me, when did you first become interested in politics?

And my answer was, I'm still not interested in politics. I'm doing this as self-defense, because the government is taking over. I'd rather be home gardening. To me, anybody who says they want to get into politics, that concerns me because usually people want to get into politics, that concerns me because usually people want to get into politics want to make laws.

They want to tell their people what to do. So typically, people who are freedom fighters and want to restore freedom, they're not asking about being a politician. If you're a freedom fighter and you want to get out there, yeah, I would say go to the local libertarian group and talk with them. Okay, next, we're all good questions.

Let's go to the next person, Johnny. Yeah, we have Jake. Jake, how you doing, Jake? Hey, BBD, good morning. Good morning. Good morning, Denver. Fantastic. What's on your mind, Jake?

Yes, sir. So getting What's on your mind, Jake? Yes, sir. So I'm getting on the life beat here anytime I come across a Libertarian that can't help but to think of Dr. Ron Paul. And his run with, I guess, is 08 and 2012 campaign. Anything libertarian I always come across, like, I guess, in the Fed. And I'd like to know your take on ending the Fed. If you want to increase competition, cryptocurrency, back or currency up by gold, how would you go about that? Thank you. Thank you. Take my call. In fact, the reason I'm here is I'm at the Bitcoin Convention.

And so many people have asked me, do you want to go back to the gold standard? And my answer is, I don't think that goes far enough. That monopolies don't work. And part of the problem that we have with paper money is Joe Biden can come along and say, I'm going to send everybody a $1,400 check. But there's not $1,400 there to give to everybody. So they go on print, which gives us inflation.

And there are basically two ways you can tax people. You can either raise taxes in which people see it and they often complain because they see their paychecks lower, or you can cause inflation and then you're putting a higher tax bracket and you don't realize how that's how that money is being taken out of your pocket. So I would like to see free market money the way that we have free market and other things. And you know, even go back to back in the olden days when people couldn't pay their doctor, they would come in with chickens, right? So hey, if you want to accept chickens as currency, that should be your right.

Somebody just gave a super chat. The user name is No One Know Thyself, gave $25 and said, I voted for Gary Johnson in 2016. You lost my vote when you endorsed BLM after all the rioting and looting stemming from their protests. How could a libertarian be in favor of authoritarian or organization intimidating innocent people? Not once did I endorse BLM, the organization? And no, rioting goes against every single libertarian principle out there because you're taken away life, liberty, and property.

So they are not a libertarian organization, quite the opposite. Now, I was criticized when I said we shouldn't be racist. And keep in mind, the George Floyd incident happened what four days after I got the nomination. So that's what everybody was asking about. That was the topic. One thing I do agree with Black Lives Matter is that there is a problem. And so I'm willing to speak to people who at least see there's a problem. Now, here's

the big thing, though. And it kind of breaks my heart because I see these people at Black and Black Lives Matter going to the government to try to solve their problems, but government is the one that created those problems. And I tried to spread the message that Rosa Parks was writing a government run government owned bus that in a free market, you know, let's, and by the way, at the time that happened, something like 70% of the bus ridership was black. Now let's say Uber discriminated against the best 70% of their customers.

They'd go out of business as well they should. It's only because the government could run a racist system, the government, as I said, with the FDA, with everything else, can't go out of business. So that's why we need the competition. So no, black lives Matter, like I said, I agree with them that there's a problem. I, asking for more government is the complete opposite direction.

You're not against protesters or like you supported them as protesting. Not writing and burning down buildings and all that, absolutely not. Going out into the streets with signs, that's fine. not writing and burning down buildings and all that, absolutely not. Going out into the streets with signs, that's fine. You wanna put that out article up, John, because I think that's what the students talking about. Okay, yeah, yeah, if you wanna put this up. Yeah, but notice opportunistic people

hijacking the movement. I mean, I heard instances in which there were peaceful black lives. I'm trying to think of where this happened. It was a Starbucks in Portland, I think. I don't remember the exact city. But there were, and somebody got this on tape. There were black lives matter people, they're protesting.

And then there were the white antifa people coming in. And they were saying, oh, we got to get this going. And they start vandalizing a Starbucks and the black lives matter people are saying, no, no, no, that's not what we want to do. You know, go away. You're not helping. So I don't care who it is antifa black lives matter you know the local garden party uh... the local garden club absolutely writing burning down buildings

that's uh... the opposite of libertarian so let me ask a question i think this goes to what the caller says saying is some maybe confusion about libertarian party if you go the average person on the street who doesn't dive into mountains and mountains of articles and get them roughed up, you say, what's a Democrat? Oh, that's the party, the little guy, gay marriage, minorities, helping people get welfare

with them. Aren't the Democrats for the little guy? I'm just talking about an uninitiated man on the street. So what's a Republican? Oh, they're in favor of business and in low taxes and things like that So even the Uninitiated person on the street is gonna understand a couple things What what what are the brand tenants or the two core flags that are easy to remember and easy to articulate

That the libertarian parties trying to put out there because there seems to be a lot of confusion about what your stances really are, which goes to, you need to be better at projecting the message. So what are those little things that you would have people remember? Oh yeah, well looks, if you want to be about big business and low taxes can refer to the value, that's Republican, you want to be about the little guy and gay marriage and minorities, that's Democrats,

we are this. Individual liberty and personal responsibility. Which means what? If you, that you are allowed to make your own choices, so you have the individual, liberty, descend your kids to the school you want, get the kind of health care you want, get the kind of retirement you want.

But on the other hand, you've got the responsibility that you are responsible for your choices. So if you don't save enough, the government's not going to rescue you. You're going to rely on charity that you need to make it. But do you mind if I go back? This is one of the things that frustrates me the most, if you wouldn't mind my, is that unfortunately the Democratic Party has been given the accolades that now we have marriage equality, that now Gays can get married. Ten years ago, both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama were against gay marriage.

It was a libertarian party who even back in the 1970s said people should be able to marry whoever they want to marry. And it's how you categorized it is how I would have categorized it maybe 40 years ago. In the 1980s, when people would ask me what a libertarian is, I would say we take the best of both sides. And I would say, for instance, we take the best of the Democratic Party in that we believe that you should be able to marry whoever you want to marry

and so forth. We take the best of the Republican side. You should be able to hire whoever you want to hire, fire whoever you want to fire. We put those together. But you can't say that anymore. I mean, the Democratic Party is no longer the Democratic Party.

I remember from the 1960s, they were the anti-war pro-peace party. And now look, Trump says he wants to bring, have troop withdrawal. Who are the first people to criticize him, the Democrats? And so now we've gotten to the point to where it's no longer the left is protecting personal liberty. In fact, they're the biggest fascists.

They're the, they want to censor everybody. And Republicans, they're free spending, almost as bad as the, as the Democrats. So now it really is the red team and the blue team. And whatever Trump wants to do, Democrats are automatically saying, no, no, no, we can't do that. And then Biden wants to do something.

And the Republicans automatically know we can't do that. But if you look, Trump had some very, what was historically belonged to the Democrats ending war. And, and here the Democrats are fighting that. So I have a question regarding that because in many ways it seems like the, how you're explaining it is in terms of individual freedom and then more collective in terms of you can kind of do what you want and more freedom on that I think that's a more vague concept and an idea that we I'd say probably most people could support

Hypothetically theoretically awesome. I want to have more liberty and I can decide what I am And I also have the responsibility of that now what the second thing you said is how the parties have shifted right? So don't you think that in that case you need to shift the way the libertarian party looks as well because you can't say Well, we're a little bit of that and we're a little bit of that because a big thing with people vote How many people voted for Biden because they didn't want Donald Trump? How many people voted for Donald Trump because they didn't want Biden? So so if it's a I'm voting for this because I don't want that in a two-party system Then that's where you are

So how are you going to then position yourself as a third party of don't for that don't for that because this is what we are so Kind of the way I look at it is the biggest problem with a Libertarian especially the libertarian party is I see them as the Get rid of the government get rid of most of things which in that case is like okay Then we're just living in a tribe. We in meet in other words We could go to Montana and just set up tents and live among ourselves So it needs to be something that's a little bit more confined and say here the three things we do Which is different and here the things things we don't do because that way people can say this is what we are and this is what we Aren't because a big thing if even if you look back at any third attempt the third party throughout basically the last hundred years

is nobody really knows what the third party is except that it's not the republican party or it's not the democratic party even Teddy Roosevelt couldn't create a party that's bigger than him because once he stepped away it was it was Teddy Roosevelt's party it wasn't here what here's the foundation of what we believe either get on it or get off it was it was Teddy Roosevelt's party. It wasn't here. What here's the foundation of what we believe either get on it or get off. It was more, hey, we want to see Teddy Roosevelt in office and we want him to do his thing. So let's vote for them. But you need to create something that's bigger than one person in that case. You brought up several excellent points. So yes, you're right. We can no longer say good, good part from the right, good part from the left.

And like I said, I used to say that in the 80s. I don't say that anymore because you can't. And I would like to, you know, I'm criticizing, criticizing the Republican Party, but I would like to point out that I look at Republican politicians and the party separate from Republican voters. And in fact, my 1996 stump speech was why Republican politicians keep selling out freedom. And I would talk about the many fine Republican voters who want smaller government, but the

politicians keep giving them bigger government. So very frustrating, such as even Ronald Reagan. But yes, something the libertarians have been very bad at is, for many years, we said what we were against, you know, Valsha, Sabaos that, and the Senda, instead of saying what we were for. And the other problem that we've had is, it almost, we almost put ourselves out there as an exclusive club. And if you don't answer your question right, then you're not pure enough to be a libertarian. You know, very philosophical.

And we need to let in people, I say, let in people that even that was, you know, old libertarian language. We need to bring in people who do want something that's different from now. People who do want some liberty and being able to make their own choices. That's one of the things that we're doing with people for liberty. We're never going to get anywhere if we keep doing the same thing in the party, which is you can only come in if you sign in blood that you're 100% pure. So what we're trying to do is reach

out to people who have an interest in one freedom issue, one issue, because everybody's got something, or at least let's say 40 million people, if not 100 million, there's one thing that they say, yes, the government needs to stay out of my life with this. And what we're doing is we're looking at these different people and saying, okay, come on into the Liberty Movement. And let's see what else would interest you with freedom. Now, some things are obvious. And we have found through doing surveys, and that's what people for liberty is doing. We found through surveys that if you are

for cannabis reform, then you're also for criminal justice reform. And that's pretty obvious, right? But there are some less obvious ones. Like, if you are for school choice, it turns out that you're a adjacent issue or the thing that you're most likely to say yes and for this as well is getting rid of licensing laws because so many people who want school choice, they've tried to hire somebody to tutor or to teach a class to get credit for whatever. And then they find out, oh there's all these licensing laws, we can't send our kid here, especially with COVID, when parents couldn't send their kids to the real school. So they try to find,

hey, let's find, you know, cowd students or professors, whatever to teach. And it's like, no, can't do that. So what we're trying to do is bring people in on one issue. And then it's, you know, slowly bring them into the... The only issue I see with something like that is going back to gay marriage, which is just mentioned. It was a libertarian party that spearheaded that. As soon as it become trending, the Democrats do that under their umbrella and said, yeah, this is a part of us.

So if you're only going on one case on trying to reel people in, then you're gonna reel people in. But as soon as there's a popular movement for that, then one of the parties, however, which one that aligns more with, are just going to swipe that under the rug for them and say, yeah, this is what we stand for. Well, two points. And I might not have made this clear.

First, if, when I say one issue, it's different for different people. Like I said, some people, it'll be cannabis, other people, school choice, other people, health care. And by the way, health care is one of my top issues. So we're not out there pushing one issue. We're just saying if you have one issue, we don't care what it is, come on in and let's introduce you to some other people.

And the second thing is, you know what, if the Democratic Party grabs onto it and passes laws, so now we have marriage equality fine. You know, like they, one of the famous things is that the socialists, and you know, their 1920 platformer or whatever, never elected a socialist and yet everyone of their planks got in. If I can get my planks in, I don't care who gets the man. By the way, we're about to get a coloring, two things before we wrap up. Do you have an opinion on Dave Smith?

Well, do I, yes? Is it a good one? Is it a bad one? What's your perspective on him? Because he's getting a lot of younger people to pay attention to him. Yeah. It's, I mean, like everything else, some good, some bad.

How different are you in him? What differences do you guys have? Uh, philosophically, not much. Okay. I mean, well, actually, I don't want to say that. I mean, no, let me take that back. Uh, when it comes to comes to healthcare, no difference. I'm sure.

Although I haven't heard them speak directly to healthcare. Education probably not much choice, or not much difference. But there are some, there are many things that he has said that I'm 100% against. So. Such as. Oh, such as if you're a man and you want sex, and you can't get it by persuasion, then you can give a woman 12 drinks, and it's OK.

I don't think that's OK. That's what he said. That's what he said that you can give a woman 12 drinks. He said he said if he gives a woman, that's a strategy specifically. Right. That's that's interesting strategy. Was that an off-hand comment? And interview, how did he present what you heard and you just repeated?

So it was reported to me that he said it on his podcast, and then when people protested, he posted it and put it in writing. And also, I disagree, you know, yeah, let's just say that's one of several. Okay, so let me just ask another question before we do this. Was January 6th an insurrection or was it a protest?

It was a total misguided protest. And I'm so glad that they found that first person not guilty that the guards basically let them in. And these people didn't plan a resurrection. They didn't have maps. They were just people who were angry and upset. If somebody vandalized something, if somebody hurt somebody, absolutely, they needed to be brought to justice because you have the right to life, liberty, and property. But when the security guard opens the door for you,

it should be nothing, trust passing at the most, but he didn't even get that, right? He was found not guilty of that. So. Fantastic, folks. I hope you enjoyed this as much as I did. My dad is here. If my dad, it's his 80th birthday, and I told him,

I'm gonna play him on the podcast, and he has no clue that we were gonna Get him on the podcast, but he apparently showed up. I don't think he was gonna do it because my dad doesn't like the camera Is it do you see him or no because that door is open? They're grabbing them. They're grabbing them. Okay, so while he's doing that I see Jen and there oh you see Jen and who is here? John? Oh, we is here. Okay, come on, Brooklyn isn't the house. Brooklyn, Kai, maybe let him sit right here. De-Ric-Talaka.

Ha-champ, oh, Knaasha, Sean, we got balloons, we got a Janita, look at all those balloons. You got all those, but let me see Brooklyn, come here, baby. This is too many people, huh, Brooklyn? Yeah, we can change that. We can change that. We can change that. We can change that. Oh, Joe, we do this every show. Apparently it looks well organized. and a one and a two and a happy birthday to you happy birthday to you happy birthday dear Gabriel happy birthday to you

What was that Brooklyn What was that if she starts crying Mario, I'm telling you right now So baby question for you after listening to today's podcast. How are you feeling? How are you feeling? Pop, you want to say something. Everybody wants to hear from you. And I should come to the tech. And Mike comes to tell you, yeah, let's hear the mic.

Put it up a little bit. So how you feeling, man? Come a little closer to the mic, please. Can you do it very much for this surprise? I never Yes, 80 years 80 crazier There's no 80 years fly Then this is it

So are you the question after today's interview are you now libertarian because of Joe Jorgensen? Are you are you gonna be a libertarian? Did you pay attention to what she was saying with her argument or? Did you listen to the podcast? No. Let's show you. No. Okay, he's behind on pockets. He's still on Francis and Gano. So, yeah.

I know he did. I know he did. And we said last night that we're gonna get him on. I think this the first time. Yeah. Brooklyn, this the first time you're on her second time. Is this the first time she's on? For second time she came before or no. Okay's on? Yes, it's the first time.

Second time she came before or no. Okay, very cool. What do you think this is? Say something. Say baby. Baby. Baby. Baby.

Baby. Pop. Give us some kind of advice, man. Adam yesterday said, what advice do you have for us? We were having a nice class of wine. We were having good conversations. Just wine, we were having good conversations. Just patient. Be patient.

Be patient. The life you don't know what's going on. And every single year receiving a box, there is everything in that box. The day you're followed to end, and if you review, it wasn't yours. It was the God that giving you the gift and using it as a great positive thing. Be positive and that's it. Life is it! That's life is it!

What one of you is saying about time is a thief? Exactly, time is a thief. Yeah, there is a two teeth walking with you. You can't sue them, you can't do anything. They're taking everything from you. Before you know what's happening. You know, I'm going to do tomorrow for sure. I've started tomorrow for sure.

There is no tomorrow for the person. If you want to start right now, right now. I've got to go, yes. I've got to see. LAUGHTER I'm gonna start right now. Right now. I gotta go, yes, I gotta see. You know, this is the simple way that sucks us. Of course. Yeah. Let me tell you, I said this last night.

I said this on my sister's your pilot. If you wanna come a little closer, so the audience can see you as well. But I said this yesterday when we were having dinner because what year was it when he had his big heart attack? Was it the 93 or 94? 94. 94, right?

And I remember for the longest time you kept your packs of cigarettes in the kitchen. You lost that pack of cigarettes. What'd you do with it? I wish I could find it yet. No, some... We friend, they came and smoked. They smoked that pack and the last back in secret, they smoked.

Yeah. By the way, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, are, I am personally, that God chose you as my dad. My life has changed because of you. I am the man I am because of you. Every day I thank God for you. I know, Paul, and I feel the same way. You have a very unique way of leading, loving, and the standard you set of a man that when you said you're going to do something to do with you and pull it through this to a six grand.

Six grand kids. Six grand kids, man. That's pretty intense. Listen, if I had it my way, you would have 14 more. Yeah. So I would have 14. And you said you can't believe it. You can't give a boyfriend. We're done with that anyways okay well listen thank you very much thank you very much maybe one

Adam you know what we got to do one these is we got to do podcast we just sit down with pops and we do podcasts with them okay we know we're gonna do it one day we sit down maybe we have the family we got you cake here but oh yes you're wrong Brooklyn you are not nervous at all with all these people no she had to run this room right she's she's a very comfortable right now the girl who was born on our anniversary June 26thth, crazy. Today we'll never forget. Okay,

Brooklyn, you okay? We finished the podcast. Is that okay? With you? We love you, baby girl. Daddy love you so much. Papa, thank you so much. Thank you, thank you for sticking around everybody. Thank you, George, and thank you for coming out, taking all the questions to wrap up the podcast with, where can people find you where they can learn more about what you're doing next? If people wanted to find you as their website,

as their Twitter, is there somewhere to go find you? People, the number four, Liberty.org. People for Liberty.org. Let's put the link below, put it in the chat box, put it in the comment section, put it in the description, put it everywhere. You heard it today, maybe if you do decide to run, we'll bring you back and we'll ask some of the same questions and maybe we'll have different kind of answers. Who knows?

So maybe we'll do this again in the future. Thank you so much for coming. We love you. We love you. Thank you, we love you. Have a great weekend. Bye bye, bye bye, bye. Happy birthday, pops.

Thank you. Happy birthday, pops! Thank you! Thank you!