PBD Podcast - Libertarian Round Table w/ Dave Smith, Larry Sharpe, Jessica Vaugn, Spike Cohen | Ep. 156

Episode Date: May 13, 2022

In this episode, Patrick Bet-David is joined by Adam Sosnick, Jessica Vaughn, Dave Smith, Spike Cohen, and Larry Sharpe to discuss political parties and ideologies, why debates are important, North Korea, fauci and much more... Jessica Vaugn is a political commentator, former playboy playmate, and Bitcoin enthusiast. Dave Smith is a New York based stand-up comedian, radio personality, and political commentator. Dave can be seen regularly on “The Greg Gutfeld Show” and “Red Eye” on Fox News, as well as “Kennedy” on Fox Business Network. Spike Cohen is an American libertarian political activist, entrepreneur, and podcaster. He was the Libertarian Party's nominee for vice president of the United States in the 2020 election, serving as Jo Jorgensen's running mate. Larry David Sharpe is an American business consultant, entrepreneur, political activist, and podcaster. He was a candidate for the Libertarian Party nomination for vice-president of the United States in 2016, losing to former Massachusetts governor Bill Weld. Sharpe was the Libertarian nominee for Governor of New York in the 2018 gubernatorial election and is again that party's gubernatorial nominee in the 2022 New York gubernatorial election.] Check out Dave Smith's Podcast "Part of the Problem": https://bit.ly/3l9dARu Check out Larry Sharpe's Podcast "The Sharpe Way": https://bit.ly/3l6cHcu Check out Spike Cohen's YOU Are The POWER: https://bit.ly/3FCEs61 Follow Jessica Vaugn on social: https://bit.ly/37CQjEv Text: PODCAST to 310.340.1132 to get added to the distribution list Adam “Sos” Sosnick has lived a true rags to riches story. He hasn’t always been an authority on money. Connect with him on his weekly SOSCAST here: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLw4s_zB_R7I0VW88nOW4PJkyREjT7rJic Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal bestseller Your Next Five Moves (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.   To reach the Valuetainment team you can email: [e-mail] --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

Are you out of your mind? Here's the debate. You're upset. They're saying, we believe you. This is it. No, I thought that. Price by ask you, like, if you put vanilla ice at the top, man, that's going to be very weird if you do that. Anyways, folks, podcast is 156, 156, what number are we on Tyler?

156 and it's a special one. We have to thank somebody for today's podcast. I don't think with this individual, this would have never happened. I think Spike, you know this individual very closely. On behalf of the entire PBR podcast and the crew here today, we'd like to thank George Organsen for creating this unification of everybody coming together.

She had some nice things to say about you. And we talked a lot about libertarians. We talked for Nefarist, China, border, taxes. We had a lot to talk about that. They would join, I said, listen, I put a question on Twitter, hey, I'd like to bring a panel of people. Everybody was saying, you got to have Dave Smith on, you know, and I brought it up to Rogan Rogan's,

like this guy's an absolute stud. You've been on Rogan before, you've been on Rogan before, and Spike, you were the VP for the Libertarian presidential 2020, right? That's 2020, right? Yeah, Larry, you're running for governor right now, and you're,

Hold on, did you, Rogan, not say good things about me? Joe, you know, I didn't ask him about you. Oh, okay, good. I actually heard you was talking about you. You're not talking about you. Actually're actually heard. Yeah. You better do that live. So I can get some votes. Your stuff was like three or four years ago. Right? Yes. But we were having dinner and the interview with Joe, George Organsson came up because he voted for Joe and that's kind of how led to, you know, all this other stuff. And you being a comedian rockstar, you explain complex thing in a very good way. And then we have also Jessica Vaughn here with us.

We've been communicating Bitcoin community, crypto community, libertarian community. So let's all come together and see if we can do this podcast. Appreciate you guys for coming out. Yeah, man. Thank you. So can I start off with just a open question for all of you guys. And then you tell me what we're going with this. So here's where I stand and why I'm more and more curious

with what's going on with the libertarian argument. So for me, I grew up in Iran politically, mother side communists, father side imperialism. He believed in the Shah and what he was doing. My mother was not. She was more about the Karl Marx and what a noble man and communist manifesto, all this stuff. So I grew up thinking, you know, rich people

are greedy and poor people are lazy. That's pretty much where I was at, right? And I come to the States and I really don't care much about politics. Clinton was the first guy I voted for. I thought he was a pretty good president. And then I went back and forth. And then finally, I've been in the pen of four last 12 years.

But I'm a big Milton Friedman guy. So when you look at Milton explain, you know, the concept of being a libertarian, and he's done a very good job, we'll get into that as well here in a minute. I looked at the data, and I saw the kind of votes libertarians were getting, because we need a third party.

Ross Pro was the last guy that was able to create some momentum to get a third party. In 1972, year after Libertarian party got started, you guys got 3674 votes John hospers Yeah, in 76 was McBride got 172,000 and 80 was at Clark at 921. That's a big jump. Yep from 172 to 921 Then it dropped to 2884 David Berglund Then I want to 431 Ron Paul. Then I want to 290 Andrew Moro Then I want to a 485 and 96 lit Harry Brown

then it went to a 485 and 96 with Harry Brown, then 384 Harry Brown again in 2000 dropped a little bit, then 397, then Bob Barr 2008 with Wayne Allen Route 523, then the big jump to 1.275 million Gary Johnson, then the big jump to 4.5 million, and then in 2020, which was like the perfect year to take this to 10 million, would all the shit that was going on with all the government regulating, controlling our lives, making decisions for us as drops, this thing drops to 1.865 million that's nearly 3x down, like 60% down, 70%

down. Dave, I'm just going to start with you here. How do we create that momentum and drop off in 2020? Well, let me just say as somebody who's both a big supporter of Karl Marx and the Shah, I think that we have to combine, combine their views and then project that onto the world. Well, I mean, look, I think you have to look at why there was this big increase in the Libertarian vote in 2012 and then in 2016. And the truth is that I think a big part of this was what was going on in the Republican

presidential primaries in 2008 and 2012. Ron Paul kind of popularized and mainstreamed libertarian ideas. And this led to a lot more people being open to vote for libertarian candidates. And in 2016, you had the, by polling polling data the two most unpopular candidates in the history since they have been keeping this data in Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. And so there was this third option there and so that drew a lot of people in. In 2020 I think that and you know spiked and speak to this better he was more involved in that campaign.

I think that we did have a huge opportunity. This is part of the reason why I joined the Libertarian Party. I was just a Libertarian, like a Ron Paul supporter. I think there's a huge opportunity there to kind of spread these ideas and get a lot of people interested. I think we dropped the ball in a lot of ways, and the lockdowns and stuff like that made it harder for doing traditional campaigning. But I don't think we need to do traditional campaigning

in the same way that we used to. I mean, we have big platforms like this and Rogan and all these other things. So that's what my focus is on is trying to kind of spread these ideas to people because I think this country is on a suicide mission and the reason for that is that we've abandoned the principles of free markets,

of limited government of libertarianism. Spike, we were kind of pretty much said, it's better, I ask you this question since you were going to run in 2020. But off camera, we were actually giving praise, not you, to AOC, for AOC going out there knocking doors because Larry knocked on your door to say, so that to me shows hustle when you look at Lyndon Johnson back in the days when he ran for Congress

The guy was known as a B.M.F. Who was willing to come and sit down and tell you I want your vote And that takes a lot of work to do right shaking hands doing all that stuff You know you were in it you guys rent together, you know yourself and you I saw the bus I saw the stuff that was going on What did you see? What do you think was the missed opportunity and And what was it like when you were talking to people to convert? Because the whole game is about converting.

It's not to talk to people that agree. Yes. My biggest concern with Joe was when I spoke to her is how come you haven't had many debates? She couldn't think about it debate. So who's pushing back? Who's challenging? Are there people being converted?

I thought Milton did that. But what did you feel was a climate in 2020? I'm glad you brought up the debate during the Joe interview because, and I do, I think there was also a big part of, there was a lack of messaging discipline when it came to, and this was something that I tried to do as much as I could, but I'm the VP candidate. It's not a 50-50 running mate situation. It's more like 95-5. So I did everything I could to talk about lockdowns and the mandates and everything else. That wasn't the main focus of the campaign, unfortunately.

And by the time the shift happened in summer, where there was more focus on that, it was too late at that point. And at that point, a lot of the lockdowns were waning, too. So it was no longer the big thing everyone was talking about. But I'm glad you brought up the debates, because the reason we didn't participate in any debates during the 2020 race was because the campaign decided not to. Obviously, we couldn't participate in the Republican and Democrat, the commission on presidential

debates debate because that's a car telling they keep everyone else out. But there were opportunities to participate in debates with other third party candidates, and the campaign decided not to. Now I don't know why that was. They said it was because, well, we don't want to be seen as being at the kids table. One percent, two percent, three percent, half a percent. We're at the kids table, and we need to take our position that we're at now, stand on the kids table and try to use it as leverage to get a buyer.

That was a sort of microcosm of many problems in the campaign. We ran a really good campaign for someone like candidate who was already comfortably ahead by a couple of points and didn't want to rock the boat too much. But if you're trying to be a disruptive candidate who's presenting a stark contrast to the other two parties, that wasn't being done. So when that has happened and how much of counsel is being, you know, are they asking you? Are you guys sitting in a group, is it a conference call, is it a zoom? Are you guys talking to each other saying, hey, Spike, what do you see happen?

And what do you see as the opportunity? What we drop in a ball? Is that mastermind taking place or no? The exact opposite was happening. I spoke with Joe four times during the campaign and I was told that my opinions were not welcome. What? But but let me let me. How does that? How does that? Okay, so who is there is a spokesperson for the libertarian party. I don't know the guy's name. I've seen him. Oh, he's right here. No, no, no, no, a guy. I was until you endure stale. He's right here. But but the question I'm trying to ask you is like who's who's leading that conversation?

Isn't somebody sitting down with you guys as a strategist and saying hey, what do we? Is you were you really the strategist leading that campaign? No, I'm talking about that one. I'm gonna talk about that one before I get to you. Who was the strategist? But I was like never But you know as as as a person who's ran know, as a person who's ran a business, as a person who's ran a business, and for many, many years, as a younger CEO entrepreneur,

I was afraid to talk about the problems that we had. Sure. Until I realized we can't do this shit. We gotta talk about it. Let's get in there and talk about it. So unless if we address that, we can't get past it to get to the next level. So who was a, I think behind closed doors, there's

got to be some strategists that are like, you know, they have some of them. Who was that person for you guys? There was, there were people called strategists, but it was not so much. I actually had to build my own team because there wasn't a lot of feedback happening from the actual campaign structure, the, the Jorgensen campaign, and what little feedback I was getting is we don't really want you to do anything or say anything. I literally in 2018 I ran the biggest independent campaign of 2018. We raised half-maint dollars, which is a lot for third party. My opponent raised 6 million and 12 million respectively. So obviously I was blown out of water. I built a larger team, literally built a policy library,

which is still at Larachorp.com, had a team that got me on Rogen, that got me on Glenn Beck, that got me on all the shows that got me on Glenn Beck, that got me on all the shows, right? Didn't ask me a question. Yep. Didn't ask me a question. Actually, you want my team. Larry actually offered to my entire team.

Yeah, didn't happen. I said, take my, I built my team out. I'm ready to go. Let's go do this. Didn't happen. And I'm doing it again now, which is why you said, who's the person doing it?

You're looking at the guy. You go to Larashop.com, that is a libertarian policy library. You see what I'm doing. And I am in the least free state, as ranked by Kato multiple years in a row. My policies have to lean towards a horribly unfree state. So whatever state you're in, you can easily modify policies and fit them in your state. If they can work in mine, they can work in yours. Where are the ones who get out there and do things? Where are the ones who are making things rock and roll? So if you're looking for the future, it's here.

I don't want to talk about the past anymore. Well, by the way, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know how New York beat California. I'm sure those cater guys have an answer for that.

So, okay, so you said if you go to my website, here's what I stand for. Why don't you tell the audience what the, you're running for governor New York as a libertarian? What do you stand for? Let me bring up an answer to what, to what Dave brought up. The answer is popularity. That's the answer. The answer, I wish it was more that, oh, I'm the smartest, the best looking guy. That'd be awesome, because I am both. But that doesn't matter. The point is, I have to be more popular is the issue. Why can't we get in debates?

Debates are not about whether someone is right or wrong. Debates are about ad revenue. That's what debates are actually about. So how do I know that? In New York, when I ran, I was in debates, right? I've been in debates with actual Congress people. I've been in debates and I've gone back and forth. But there was a debate.

In New York state, we don't use a presidential commission. We actually use the League of Women Voters. And they had an actual official debate. And in that in that debate our governor said I'm not showing up. Why? He was winning hands down, Cuomo was the Cuomo sexual, remember that was Cuomo sexuals, they all loved Cuomo, he was gonna win, he's the best guy in the world, so he didn't bother showing up to the debate. So it wasn't televised.

So I showed up, Republican showed up, two of the parties showed up and I wanted to debate handly and no one saw it except if you were there. That was it, because it wasn't televised. So what happened? The TV station said, wait a minute, there's a bunch of mine to be made. So CBS said, we're going to do a special town hall with just Republican and Democrat. That debate was televised. So if they think they can make ad revenue, they would do it.

Remember in 2016 and 2017, CNN was doing a bunch of individual town halls with individual people. That wasn't because they cared. They were simply testing to see how much money they would get in ad revenue. If any of them were popular, they would then put them in the debate stage. It was about popularity.

It wasn't about whether they cared or not. The goal of the media is to be seen and nothing else. If we understand that it's true, popularity matters. People say, Larry, how come we didn't get in the polls? Because you have to buy the polls to get in the polls. It's about cash, right? So if I want to be in a poll, it's not just because I'm the official candidate.

I found this out the hard way. I have to buy the poll. A poll costs about $40,000. If I'm raising millions, I'll buy some polls. Every week I'll buy a poll, every month I'll buy a poll. When I'm raising half a million dollars over my entire campaign, am I gonna be able to take 10% of that and throw it a poll and maybe coming poorly?

Probably not. It's not a responsible use of my campaign funds, right? So give the buy a poll. Well, Larry, why aren't you in the press? Why aren't you in the press? Well, because you have to buy ads to be in the press. If you buy ads, they then cover you. If you don't buy ads, they don't cover you.

It's that simple. It's all paid to play. People get mad at me while you're asking for money. Because I have to buy ads so I then cover you. If you don't buy ads, they don't cover you. It's that simple. It's all paid to play. People get mad at me while you're asking for money because I have to buy ads so I can be covered. So I have to buy polls so I can be in them. Otherwise you can't be in the polls and that's why people don't understand. Third part, there are so many things that... How much money did you say you raised?

You raised how much? Half a million dollars. Half a million dollars. Yes, this is one. 2018. Okay, so I said we're private equity guys and Entrepreneurs will say we're not going around and I'm asking for money and and people are just not they're not They're not giving me the money matter. They wouldn't give me money. I'll be able to build the next billion-dollar opportunity

Yeah, well, maybe the messaging or the product needs adjustment Yeah, and maybe the fundraiser the person Raising the money isn't doing a good job selling whatever we need to get behind. Because I like to take the, what do you call it? I like to take the responsibility on myself. I present and say, hey, let's, if we're not able to sell this guy, our pitch is different.

So what, like, I remember like 20, what was it? 20, 20, it was a 20, yeah, 2020, when the election was going on, do you remember that one tweet by Joe Jorgenson, Tyler, I don't know if you have it, 2020? It was a, yeah, 2020, when the election was going on, do you remember that one tweet by Joe Jorgenson, Tyler, I don't know if you have it or not, it is. And all of a sudden, we get this tweet about, what do you call it, racism and Black Lives Matter.

And we need to be, so if you can make that, it's not enough to be passively not racist. We must be actively anti-racist. Black Lives Matter means standing in a solidarity with a morning black community as we fight together to in-qualified community, police brutality, sentencing disparities, and the war on drugs, not support of any organization

by that name. So to me, I see that, and I don't know how you guys process it. I'm gonna speak for myself. You guys can say, Pat, you have no clue what you're talking about. I see that, and I see somebody caving in to PC community. And you know political correctness. Just kind of like, Hey, beating you down, you better agree with us. Okay, let's throw this out there.

So maybe we can get some independent voters who are a green with black lives. Okay, let's throw. So I can get some of the democratic voters who come to, yeah. So that, that argument then, then all of a sudden, the people that are truly libertarians are like, wait a minute. That's not what I believe in, I'm out. Well, I mean, I was very vocal and very critical

about that tweet as well as a bunch of other ones. It was just, yeah, it was just awful and completely tone deaf. I mean, it's also like, she said it while the longest sustained riots in modern American history were going on. I mean, it's like, you know, like people were terrified in almost every major city across the country, businesses being destroyed, and, it's like, you know, like people were terrified in almost every major city across

the country, businesses being destroyed. And then it's just like, well, it's also not libertarian at all. The libertarianism really has nothing to say about how you feel about other people. If you are passively not racist, that's more than good enough. We don't require anyone to be actively anti-racist, whatever that means. The truth is that, look, I was very critical of Joe Jorgensen during this campaign. I think that's why a lot of her people around her

don't like me very much and why they gave her some bad information that she came and shared with you on the show. But I think that it does libertarians, if we're gonna look like to the fundraising issue before. I think as far as national candidates go, the truth is that Ron Paul at the time broke fundraising records. Bernie Sanders then came in and smashed those. And they didn't do it by going to private equity guys.

They didn't do it by going. Six million on my space in 24 hours. That's right. Ron Paul. Yes, it was and it broke records and he didn't even set it up. He literally just got into the camera and said things that people really appreciate it. And so what I think is that the role for libertarians here is that we're not going to outcompete Democrats and Republicans in terms of

getting more money from private equity or big banks or something like that. Because we're not offering them what Democrats and Republicans are. The truth is that if the libertarian agenda were to ever be put in place big banks would make way less money than they make right now where the party who wants to abolish the federal reserve and make sure there's never banker bailouts again and that they don't have unlimited access to easy money and that he can you know like yeah i bet if if i could borrow money at zero percent interest rate and then loan it out to the public uh at four percent i could do pretty good making money too, but we're trying to end that scheme. But what we can do is talk to the American people who are being ripped off by this whole system and get them excited.

So the problem with Joe Jorgenson is that when you're so out of touch with what's going on in the culture right now, and you just say something like this that rightly by you is perceived as caving in to a literal mob. That doesn't get them riled up. In this time period, while Joe Joriansen is tweeting that, the American people, the government

has perpetrated one of the greatest crimes against the American people in modern American history, which were the lockdowns, kicking tens of millions of people out of work with no legal justification, just under emergency power, governor decrees where many dictators now, it's a legal now for you to go to work. And at the same time, they have raped the American people, just completely looted the treasury and bailed out every giant corporation in the country. It was like the most heinous crime

committed against the American people. And in that moment to stand up and say, you know what the problem is, you average American, you're not anti-racist enough. That's the real issue. That's what libertarians have to say. Just awful mess, isn't it? Yeah, I mean, I lost all my income immediately.

I mean, I've led through my savings in about four months. I mean, the closures, the COVID closures are definitely what red-pilled me so hard. I think Joe's tweet is just indicative of the old format of libertarians trying to court both sides of the social, of the culture war, but we're so deep into it now that if you don't know that what you're, if you don't define

what the DNA of libertarianism is today, how do we standardize any type of messaging? Because that's very contrary to the opinions of people on this panel that want to see libertarians move more to the right on these issues. And also, I agree with that. And also just kind of knowing where you are best potential, I want everyone to be a libertarian. But I can also recognize that there's certain groups that are probably a little bit more likely to respond to our

message. And what you have going on, if you have your finger on the pulse of the country, is that you had, you have a lot of people like on the political right half of the country who align with a lot of our views. A lot of people who really are fed up with the wars and the deep state, all the three-letter agencies that are fed up with the lockdowns, that are, I mean, even after all the Republican governors

by and large were awful on the lockdowns, we talk about the two who were good, like DeSantis and Knome, the rest of them all basically went along with the program, and then you have a bunch of people who historically have been more left liberals, who are completely turned off by all this woken sanity, and are kind of leaving that. So what you're playing to with this message

is the people who what, love the woken sanity, and our left liberals, of all the groups. This is the least likely to bear fruit for you. So it's just, even on top of it being incorrect, it's also just strategically stupid. That's the part that we love that we can. Where I wonder, like, who are you processing issues with before you put a message like this?

Because you're speaking on behalf of 4.5, 4.6 million people that voted for this concept, this philosophy, just four years ago. Like, who are you strategizing with to say let's go and do this that's what I was asking about spike but just you voted for bomb and await right you were you were you were more on the liberal side the democratic side so what caused you to say because everybody selling their philosophy is what got you to the tipping point to say you know what I kind of like with these guys stand for. Just on Joe's tweet again do you think that's indicative of the fact

that she's an educator and we know how woke the, how woke that went? So big education. I would just like to weigh in. Joe has didn't even know that was made. It was from a, a, a, speech that was written for her at the convention and they clipped it for the tweet. So I, I, I just want to make a point that like she didn't do that. I don't know how Joe Jorgensen's never been on her Twitter But I do want to talk about this By the way, what you just said yeah, what you just said. I hate to say this Eliminates it from ever running as the face of the libertarian party What you just said right there because if you can't speak for yourself. I'm sorry

I don't want I don't want you at the at the the White House. And if you do outsource that, then it's your responsibility. I mean, who do you out? I'm not who with that. I want to know what you're all about. So, what you were saying in the, in the, in the wake of the killing of George Floyd and Brianna Taylor and the protests and the riots that that sparked, there was an excellent opportunity for libertarians to talk about the same system that had, uh, unaccountable police officers that were doing those things as well as that same criminal justice system that was letting people take over entire communities and riot and pillage and burn down buildings and homes it was a great opportunity to do that

that's what should have been done that's what i was trying to do in my little corner is saying the same system that this groups mad at is the same system that this group is mad at and we should be talking about that instead of playing to the Black Lives Matter versus all lives matter culture war good caught bad cop routine saying you're all being scammed and lied to the way forward is to fix these specific policies or any specific policies that led to what we're experiencing right now. And if we do that, then we can both reach people across the board. We can actually have a moment of unification, and we can wake up some people that are looking at all of this and saying, I don't think anyone is speaking to the actual solution to this. When you go one hard one side or the other, when you start using too much of the the verbiage and the

the tone and narrative of one side or the other, you're signaling, well, I actually kind of support this side. Well, if you're trying to get elected, then you're basically saying, yeah, I'm like this guy except I'm less likely to win. Or I'm like this guy except I'm less likely to win. But if instead you provide a stark contrast and say, no, no, no, here's why they're both wrong. I hate it when I would get interviewed. And they'd say, do you agree with Trump on this or do you agree with Biden on this? And I'd say, here's why they're both wrong. And here's what libertarians believe. And that was the problem with that tweet and with a lot of other things is that instead of trying to provide a stark contrast between the Republicans and Democrats and how they both work together to fail us on this, instead

it was, well, on this I agree with this side more and on that I agree with that side more. Well, why are we relevant then? No, I want to touch right if I can, right? I got the most votes in New York State for the battalion ever. We had never made an official party in 50 years. How did I do that? It wasn't by using any of this rhetoric. It was by creating actual solutions that both sides could accept. Right? So one of the things I talk about is the MTA in New York City is a disaster. And my nose, you see,

it's horrible. Right? So one of my answers was, why don't we lease out naming rights to bridges? There are dozen bridges in New York City, right? So why is it that George Washington Bridge or the Arizona Bridge? Why isn't the three M bridge or the Kellogg's bridge or the Pepsi bridge or the Google bridge? They'll drop a hundred million dollars into the- One of value-tainment bridge? Yeah. A value-tainment bridge? We'll get you up on the center of taining.

That's the value-tainment bridge. I like that. Absolutely, right? I would actually entertain it. A hundred percent. And bankers did, that's the can't of me. In my business world, I'm a business consultant, I deal with a lot of finance people. So they were like, this is a good idea Larry.

So we frontloaded 10 year, 12 year lease. We frontload the cash, $100 million up per year. That begins to pay for the bridges. That takes care of maintenance. No need for tolls. Who pays tolls? Working poor middle class pays tolls. The wealthy in New York City or living in New York City.

So what happens is all of a sudden we get a solution and the wealthy pay more, which is what the left wants, but there's no extra taxes. So it's what the right wants. The left and the right are both satisfied. I've got better bridges, more money coming into my city, and the working poor and the middle class taken care of. That is what made people go, huh, I didn't say I was the battalion. I didn't say I was Democrat.

I didn't say I was Republican. I said, here's an answer. People went, oh, we're winning as the battarians. If the person in front of me assumes I'm them. And what year was that? By the way, 2018. And you're chalking that up to you speaking to the people about issues. Correct. I think you're wrong. Tell me, please. I'll tell you why. I think you actually were successful for the exact reason that George Jorgensen was not. Okay. It's because you're a charismatic leader. It It's freaking obvious you got some some base in your voice I like listening to I have to go if you would pat if you still have the numbers for what Gary Johnson did and Ron Paul and Joe Jorgensen

I'd like to just recap that because it's so clear what was wrong with Joe Jorgensen you have those numbers 4.489 Joe Jorgensen 1.865 and what was Ron Paul? Ron Paul was just bringing up 4.489 Joe Jorgen some 1.865 and what was Ron Paul? Ron Paul was just running for 4.31. But Ron Paul ran in 88 in the River 10 part of it. But he got we were now living in a social media age. Adam, I would tell you, I would tell you that some would say that Gary Johnson's also the cure for insomnia. And you know, if you know what that means, you know, and so it's not like out of exactly a care is bad. Nothing against him. I would sit there and I would watch and I'm like

Like there was a moment one time with Gary in the 2060. He didn't know Aleppo. So it's not like you exactly a carestead. Nothing against him. I would sit there and I would watch and I'm like, like there was a moment one time with Gary in the 2060. He didn't know Aleppo. No, no, I'm just sitting there. I'm like, give me. Yes. Sell me something. Yeah.

And fire me up. Tell me what we're going to be doing. That's exactly my point. Yeah. You guys do not have a messaging problem. You guys aren't going to bicker over what your policies are. Like she might be a policy wonk. You guys eyeballs you said you had a popularity problem the only way like let's be real here If you guys are trying to get from 2% to 5% who gives a crap if you're trying to get from 5% to 25%

Yep, you need popularity you need eyeballs. You need what can you but brother? I don't know if you have that popularity, you need a Kanye, you need a rock. Well, I'm next to this guy. I got Kanye right here. Awesome. But why don't we do this? That's what you got to do. Why don't we do this?

Why don't we do this? Okay. For, let's assume the average person, if you were to ask them what libertarians are based on the fantastic job that media's done, they're gonna say, well listen, aren't they supposed to be like the crazies? Aren't they like the whole party by themselves? Okay, so I think you're the best guy to do this if you don't mind taking a moment.

Sell us on the concept of being a libertarian. What is it to be a libertarian? We're the people who are right about everything. Now, well listen the libertarians... That's the fight second version. To me, the libertarianism is... I mean, the philosophy is the belief in self-ownership, the non-aggression, principle, and private property rights.

But we really are the believers in true Americanism. The Declaration of Independence in the Bill of Rights is a great way to kind of sum up what libertarians believe in. And libertarians believe in. And libertarians are the people who have been warning Americans for decades that this country is on a suicide mission because of our military industrial complex, bleeding our treasury dry, destroying our currency, locking up all of our people more than any other country in the world, the national security apparatus, the national spying apparatus,

these are all of the things that we've opposed for decades and have largely been right about all of it. That's to me what libertarianism is all about. And we can speak really to the issues that the real crises that the American people are facing. To me, that's more or less what, you know, in a very quick version, what I try to say, we're about.

Let me give you one. Can you do me for everybody? Just turn off your phone. Sometimes some phones, Verizon, especially, we'll do that. Is it you're going off? No, mine's off. If you guys can turn off your phone for whatever reason,

I call that a little bit. Verizon tends to do this. Awesome, elevator, for Verizon. So if I could be clear, Libertarian say you can be as liberal or as conservative as you want to be, just don't force your views on others. Localism to where the government's job is protecting the rights of the individual from the local bully.

That's the critical aspect how it should work. If you say to yourself, I am super liberal, go great. Do you think it's the government's job to enforce your world to be more liberal? If you go, yes, you're a Democrat. If you go, no, it's my job through my works, through my, through my example, through my community to make the world more liberal. You're a little bit, you're a little bitarian.

If you go, I'm super conservative. Great, is it a government's job to make the rest of the world more conservative? Yes, you're a Republican. If you go, no, it's not the government's job, it's my job through my works, through my community, through my example, to make the world more conservative. You're a little bitarian.

That's the issue. If you're saying, I wanna be me and you world more conservative, you're libertarian. That's the issue. If you're saying, I wanna be me, and you can be you, you're libertarian, that's it. It doesn't matter what your conservative liberal outlook is. It matters that you wanna force someone else to be like you. Right, in my state, New York state, we, it's a very diverse state. In fact, Queens County is the most diverse county

in the entire nation, the most diverse entire nation. So I got people say in Brooklyn, who will tell me Brooklyn is a blood type, they love Brooklyn so much, who are very much anti-gunned. And I have people and say, Allegheny, Wyoming County, who think, if you want my gun,

yeah, someone's gonna die. So they have that difference. And guess what, they're both right. They're both right. If you don't wanna have a gun, don't have a gun. If you wanna have a gun, have a gun.

If you wanna have strut to control, have to control. If you don't, don't. gun, don't have a gun. If you want to have a gun, have a gun. If you want to have a strict control, have a strict control. If you don't, don't. But stop forcing others to be like you. So that's yours and then Spike, what's yours? How would you present the Libertarian Party? My 5-second version is that libertarians believe people do best when they're most free. Now, you talked about the medium manipulation that libertarians are the crazies. Libertarians want everything that everyone else wants.

We want good education. We want good healthcare. We want a civil society. We want people to be safe. We want people to live in the safe society and so forth. We've just recognized that having government control every single aspect of society is a uniquely bad way of doing it. And that has been the problem.

Government got involved in healthcare. They're ruining healthcare. They got involved in education. They're ruining education. We can go down the line with that. We recognize that the more local government is, the more accountable to the people government is, and the more allowing people to make decisions

voluntarily for themselves and working together with others, the better off things are gonna be. And to Dave's point, the warning we've been making is that it doesn't even matter if it's Republicans or Democrats in charge charge when it comes to things like the debt when it comes to things like endless wars when it comes to things like you know the cost of everything spiraling out of control it just keeps getting worse and worse and worse and worse and it's not because of uniquely bad politicians or political parties it's because of a system that was bill

to keep the people that have power in power at everyone else's expense. We've also had some pretty uniquely bad politicians. Yeah, that's great. I agree with that kind of hell. That's a feature and not a bug. Yeah, that's the problem. Yeah. Jessica, about yourself. I think that it's the woke against everybody else.

And there is a great pool of Democrats that we could take that of Democrats that we could take that just think all this is insane and they're really harvestable people, especially big pointers, that type of thing. They're all learning about libertarianism because they never had any kind of way to even know what that really has meant. So that's a very good point because to me, I don't know who we had on was it Michael say, I don't know who we had on it was somebody that we had on we're talking I said listen, my opinion is the crypto community is becoming a political party

and somebody better win them early before somebody else does. I think that that party is for you to take about 100%. So I don't know if you guys are going after that party and this party's not gonna get the small, it's gonna get bigger and bigger and they're right here in Miami. We already have plans in New York state to have a new legacy to accept cryptocurrency for all taxes, fines and fees. That's part of my policy, right?

If we can make cryptocurrency the norm, right? So we already can do that, 100%. So I want it, I'm sorry, go ahead. And Bitcoiners didn't really care for Eric Adams because he was like, oh yes, we're gonna be very pro Bitcoin. And then he did things with against other people's rights, like making them do the vaccine mandates then he did things against other people's rights,

making them do the vaccine mandates and all that stuff for masking in schools, just very contrary positions to being a pro Bitcoin person. So we saw right through that. We even want nuclear power in New York State so that we can actually create a very easy blockchain mining. We can make green blockchain mining. We can allow that we can support that in New York State. New York State is the worst, by the way, for cryptocurrency because we have

a bit license, which was the absolute scam. A guy named Losski decided he used to run our financial agency. So then he created this insane maze to get a bit license, then left, and now he's consultant so you have to pay him $100,000 to get the license that he created. And that, by the way, is legal. It's just by the way, is legal. It's just unethical, totally legal. I would also say just to the idea of cryptocurrency and specifically Bitcoin, that libertarians have to recognize how important this issue is, because this, to me, is like the most important thing. In the same sense that hundreds of years ago, the separation of church and state was the

most important thing that really ended religious wars. You really don't have religious wars anymore unless there's governments who are, you know, in bed with religions who are trying to impose themselves on other governments. And what we need today in the United States of America more than anything is the separation of money in the state, the separation of banking in the state. This is the cause of so many of our problems right now, is that the currency is controlled by the government. This allows us to spend way beyond our means to pull things off that we could never pull off

if the government wasn't just printing money out of thin air, the entire idea that we're gonna go around and occupy foreign countries for 20 years in the Middle East with nothing to show for it. Try doing that if you had to actually tax the people, the money. Try gaining popular support for that. If every month people had to pay for the Warren Afghanistan, that thing would have been

over by Christmas of 2001. And so many of these things, and the same thing with the lockdowns. I mean, try maintaining the lockdowns if you couldn't just print up trillions of dollars in 2020. There's no way it could have been done. So this is really like the federal reserve and the money printing is the lifeblood of the Leviathan. That's what we need to attack.

And that's why Bitcoin is such an incredible, you know, like has so much potential. And those people should be libertarians. Was not the whole impetus of creating Bitcoin in 2009. I believe so, right? And Satoshi Nakamoto was like, I don't like this bailout drama that's going on in New York City and Wall Street and occupy Wall Street and that's how we started.

It was essentially a cause and effect of exactly what you're talking about Dave. Yeah, Bitcoin, cryptocurrency, blockchain, that's all libertarianism applied to a problem. That is a libertarian solution to a status problem. So coming out of the bailouts in tarp and too big to fail in all of that, the realization

that the central banking system that we have is basically a game of monopoly where all of you have to play by the rules of monopoly. But when it's my turn, I go over to the banker and say, give me a trillion monopoly notes and stick them all with the debt for it. What would happen in that game is exactly how everything is playing out right now. You have a small handful of people who get richer and richer and richer because they have the access to the funds, the money, that's being printed out more than anyone else. The cost of everything is going through the roof because they can spend

wantonly because it's not their money. There's malinvestment that's leading to these bubbles in the economy, the real estate bubble, the stock market bubble, the student debt bubble, all of that is because money's just being thrown around. When you get government out of that, when you have the market deciding what money is, then not only do you not have the rampant inflation that you have right now, but you also don't have the rampant government spending that you have right now. You don't have the endless wars, like Dave said. You don't have the cronies, like Larry said, that get to build a system for them to become

a billionaire for the rest of their life. All of that goes away because now government has to do what literally everyone else has to do. Prove that they have value in exchange for the money they get. That's what you do with your business. That's what I did with my businesses. You have to prove that you have value in exchange for money.

If you and I could just walk around with the gun legally and say, hey, give me all your money, yeah, we'd be very wealthy. We also wouldn't provide much value. That's the problem we have. And Bitcoin was a perfect example of instead of trying to find a political solution to it, finding a market-based solution to a problem

that is still affecting people. And just on top of that, I think sometimes people have this kind of attitude that like, okay, you're talking about monetary policy, you're talking about economic policy. This is almost in this realm over here of economics, and then there's this realm of social issues. But this is like, it's the most evil thing in the world, man.

I mean, if you look at, think about, I mean, the way inflation is just destroying people, and who's it destroying? Eight point three. It's not destroying. It's not destroying high right now, man. Yeah, and I think if you actually measure the CPI, the same way they measured it in the 70s,

it's even higher than that at this point, the CPI is all kind of BS anyway. I mean, they don't really account for housing and energy increases and how, you know, if you're talking about measuring how this really impacts people and who doesn't impact, well, not Wall Street speculators, not billionaires who own hard assets, it's impacting people on fixed incomes, it's impacting, you know, the retired and the poor and the working class.

And this government spending, I mean, you go look at like, I think it's, I might have this double check now, this, but I think 10 of the 13 richest counties are all the suburbs of Washington DC. I mean, these are the people who are getting rich up. It's not like this is the bastion of capitalism. They're not big factories in Washington DC producing everything. They're just the politically connected. They're people in bed with a weapons company that funds a think tank that comes up with

a piece that we actually need to go send a whole bunch of weapons to Ukraine. Proliaments, yes. Proliaments, yes. And this is like in the real application of the that funds a think tank that comes up with a piece that we actually need to go send a whole bunch of weapons to Ukraine. Yes, and this is like the real application of all this is like that families get broken up, that men put revolvers in their mouth and commit suicide. That kids are like lives are destroyed. This can't be removed from a social issue. This is actually, and then you look around and you're like, why is the social fabric of this country falling apart?

Why does everyone turn on each other? Why do we have such low cultural standards in all of this? This is all related. This all came as a result of the government destroying the economy. Well, financial sanctions too are financial controls on people. This censorship wouldn't have even been anything anybody could have thought about

three years ago. But now, I mean, I don't know why conservatives don't see that they can just turn your bank account off. I mean, look what happened in Canada with the truckers or even as something as big and broad as like with the Russians and having the swift payment denied to them. You know, why would we give financial sanctions to citizens for what the movements of their government do? Yep. They always convince you it's going after this bad guy. So it's kind of like, hey, we're seasoned all these assets of the Russian oligarchs. And you're like, well, was anyone like convicted of anything in a court of law? I said, no, but we said Russian oligarchs, so we're just going to take all this stuff. Or the truckers are like

the bad people up there. These working class people who are like, and you're a Putinist, if you think that's right. And then you go like, okay, so they invoked these never before used emergency powers act in in Canada. And they're seizing people's bank accounts. No due process. No one ever proved that they were at one of these protests or donated to one of these protests. And even if they are, I don't think they should have their bank account seized. But yeah, these type of powers are very creepy. And you know, I think Americans are more and more waking up to the idea of it's easy to be like, yeah, but the government would never use them in that way. That they have.

But also, we never thought the government was going to lock us in our homes for months on end. But don't you think COVID and these lockdowns have helped your political party? Yeah, have a bigger voice. It should have. Or it's helped make it. They provided an opportunity for it. We have have. Or it's a great. They've provided an opportunity for us. We have to actually take it. And a bigger part of that is, yes, we have to show that we have

the best ideas. Yes, we have to show that we actually have a solution to this endless good cop bad cop routine between Republicans and Democrats, where we just things just keep getting worse and worse, whether it's a lockdown, tarp, the thing that sparked Bitcoin, the outrage was an 800, what was it? $798 billion bill. That's pocket change to what they spend now. They routinely spend bills that start with a T or end with a T, you know, it's a trillion dollar bill. It cares that. Three billion, two trillion, trillion. Yeah, exactly. 800 billion dollars is like a rounding error now. And that's only in the span of like less than 20 years.

It just keeps getting worse and worse. But the other problem is that libertarians, over 95% of voters either don't know who libertarians are, or they see us as, even if they agree with us, even the majority of libertarians, self-identified libertarians who do not vote libertarian, the reason they don't is because they see us as a joke. They see that we, they believe that we can't get elected. And they think, well, why would I bother doing that? I'm gonna try to figure out which side this time is marginally better than the other.

Would you say that stat one more time, 95%. What, well, I mean, look at the numbers. Like the highest we've ever gotten is what was 3.0 something percent with Gary and Bill. And that was in a time with uniquely, with terrible candidates with Trump and Hillary, like unpopular candidates. Trump didn't have the following he did in 2016 that he did in 2020.

Who's the most popular libertarian out there? That's six percent. I'm pulling out in New York State about six percent. No, but in the country, in the country, who's the most popular, for his 95% people? Who's both nationally?

Yeah, and both nationally. Who's the most popular libertarian? Clint Eastwood is not vocal, okay. You got 185 years old. Vince Vaughn is not vocal, okay. You got Rand Paul, that's very vocal, but you know, again, Republican, he didn't run as a libertarian. Yeah, that's a hard one.

Yeah, yeah. You know, you got Ron Paul, who is the OG, the guy that knows how to sell it better than anybody else, but he's aging. He's not, you know, so there's a few of them. I mean, Joe's broken could be, can see he voted for Joe Jorgencent, is supporting a libertarian party. But, you know, those are the names. They don't have a life.

You need a face. Well, please, I'm the guy running. Let me tell you this right now. Let me be very clear. We do have faces. It's just hard. We got guys like Shane Hayes running for governor in Georgia We got we we got a mark tippitz running in Texas. I've if I've never heard of the names You're saying yeah, then you don't have a fake we have Ricky have to go Google Ricky Harrington

Yes, because I've never heard of by the way Google and he Harrington whoever hit bits bits is, you're missing the point here. I'm not, I'm here trying to get this out. You need, like you need a Tom Hanks. You need a rock. You need that. Okay, but we have a comment. Even if we had a Tom Hanks or a rock, we still have to show people how our ideas work.

And that's not the debate though. But clearly you guys know what you're talking about. Yeah, literally, literally let me do it. Let me deal with it for one second. I'm telling you why they're not coming to us because we don't have the infrastructure to support them. It isn't our ideas.

We require infrastructure. Why would you run the battalion when you'd have to fight to get enough people on the ballot? You'd have to fight to get on the ballot period. You'd have to fight to get signatures, fight to come up with a bunch of people who could support you, fight to find a funding base. You don't want the battalion,

because you don't care about the battalion. You don't want the battalion, because you can get a, but I don't even think you're saying. Or if the rock ran as a libertarian, they'd have a hard time doing things. Yes, that's what I'm talking about. Yes, no way.

Well, no, no, no, no, no. Let me be very clear. I'm sure behind the scenes you're right. But you would get so many eyeballs, and so I'm not mad at you. But that's the difference between. Would wake up. More votes, but you would get so many eyeballs and that's the difference. We'll wake up more votes. Yes.

Would they win? Absolutely not. And another big part of that is that's the step by step process. It is stuff by step, but there's another step by step process, which is that the majority of your popular. I like you. I think your care is mad at the majority. You're not the rock, guys.

Let me hear what Spike is saying. Hang on. Hang on. This is what we hear. If you were correct, then Michael Bloomberg would be our independent president. He's not. Be why? The system is set up to not work.

I don't think I'm gonna save the world, but do I think I could be the guy who sets it up for the world to be saved? Yes, I do, because I am building out the infrastructure. As you said, step by step, like we're not doing it. I'm literally here doing it. It is being done. So that in 2024, in 2028, when I'll cut Russell the size of the board or Drew Carey, both the veterans, one of those two guys come aboard, we have an infrastructure set that happens to do it or whomever is the rock comes over.

We don't have enough to give them now, but we have to build up and we are and it takes local people building up local groups, local infrastructure, donor bases, PR bases, all those things to make that happen. Well, I'm sorry, go ahead, Spike. Well, and the vast majority of voters, long before they want to, they trust the libertarian to handle the wars or China or immigration. They want to see how they handle their pothole in their neighborhood. Like libertarians have one hundreds of local races, hundreds out of literally tens of thousands. We've won zero statewide races, we've won zero federal races, one zero of them. Yes, there's ballot access problems and everything else, but there's an even bigger problem,

which is that most voters, even if they hear our ideas, they go, yeah, that sounds great. And in theory, how's it going to work in practice? We need to focus local. We need to build an actual infrastructure for the party to work our way up, because if we get a Dwayne the Rock Johnson, he will, he will get double digits as a libertarian, yes, is he going to win it? Absolutely not. Because people at the end of the day, they're going to go, yeah, Dwayne Johnson, great,

rock great, but this party, I know nothing about them, they've never won before. What would they actually do if they did won? I'm worried about the kitchen table issues, like health care and education and housing and the cost of living and everything else. And just the fact that a very popular guy is running, or woman, is running for office,

is not going to be enough for them to say okay I'm going to break free from the system that's been running this country for over a hundred years now we have to build the infrastructure. So I think we need the right. And that will also bring a big name. Why would the rock bring come? Let me read a super chat here from Hector Ross. Larry knows what he's talking about.

Howard's turn openly contemplated running libertarian as new your governor but backed out for lack of infrastructure at the time. I have some feedback that but i want here david and i want to kind of give you what i'm what i'm thinking go ahead okay so i i tend to agree i think we're almost talking about different things here i mean look if somebody like the rock was truly converted to libertarianism and like i believe this now and i want to be like the champion for that would be amazing

and that would be incredible what it could do for us and i so i agree with you on that but the thing is that's right you've basically had over the last uh... let's say ten fifteen years right you've had essentially third-party candidates who ran within the two major parties so rompall was a third party candidate in spirit he didn't believe with the uh... with the republican establishment did

bernie sanders was essentially a third party candidate and Donald Trump essentially won as a third party candidate however the way the system is set up in order for them to do that it's not to their advantage to go to some third party it's to their advantage to stay in one of the major two parties what we're sitting here saying is that the problem is that that never actually works for what our desired outcomes are which is really rolling back the state. Now, Donald Trump, I agree with Spike, kind of, yeah, if he had run third party, that would have made it a lot harder for him to do what he needs to do.

I'd love for that famous person who can move people by the tens of millions to come over to libertarianism. But in the meantime, what are we supposed to do? What are we supposed to do? Are we supposed to accept that these two parties who have in effect committed treason against the American people? And we know nothing's gonna be solved from within them that what we're just supposed to fall in line

because this one is 5% better than the other one. Like that's not good enough for me. I don't think I'm gonna buy that. Well, my point is that this is the United States of America. We deserve something better than that. And so we're gonna keep fighting to try to get this message out to as many people as possible, to hopefully put us in a situation where we can get somebody than that. And so we're gonna keep fighting to try to get this message out to as many people as possible to hopefully put us in a situation where we can get somebody like that.

Or whatever's necessary to move the needle. Look, I agree with you. If Tom Hanks or the rock or some crazy famous charismatic person wanted to take up the mantle for this, I'd be thrilled. But since we don't have that right now, the best I can do is try to get on as many huge platforms as I can, speak to as many people as I can, build up our army, you know, metaphorically speaking, not a real state army. And try to, you know, not a great reason.

Yes, and not aggression. Not a great army, yes. Exactly. Well, it sounds like you guys need to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. Yeah. Because I didn't know that about the libertarian infrastructure. Like I'm learning that, we're all learning that.

But it sounds like you guys need to build out the infrastructure. But also get someone that gets eyeballs. Because Joe Jorgensen's not the answer. We all know that. Let me give you, let me give you, let me give you. Let me give you, let me give you, let me give you. Let me give you, let me give you, let me give you. Let me give you, let me give you, let me give you.

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Let me give you, let me give you. Let me give you, let me give you. Let me give you, let me give you. Let me give you, let me give you. Let me give you, let me give you. Let me give you, let me give all or no now I abstain did you vote you voted I did Joe No, I voted for Trump. Okay. Got it. Okay. Thank you for telling us. Okay. I vote if it's Joe I'm happy I voted so so let me let me say let me let me say this year. So I'm processing everything you're saying and we've talked about that before and I'm processing what you guys are saying Here's what I would compare before and I'm passing what you guys are saying. Here's what I would compare libertarian to if it was a religion. They don't get upset here.

I'm just telling you, if you were a religion, it's my religion, it's my religion. I would say you're like Scientology, okay? And they have famous people. They do, I was about to go there. I was about to go there. I was about to go there. I was about to go there.

To say Scientology for the longest time has been trying to sell. And if you go to Scientology in 2002, I was a guy on the streets going to every church, I'm debating everybody, I'm trying to go, what is this all about? And I'm an atheist at the time. And I would go to Scientology and I would say, so tell me who was God.

Who do you think God is? No, I'm asking you, who was God? Who do you think God is? I said, no, I'm asking you, who is God? Who do you think God is? I said, no, I'm asking you, you're a religion, you have a 501C3 under that tax code, you're structured as a religion, you got that tax code back in the days, you had great lawyers, who is God? Who's God to you? I went everywhere asking people who is God they couldn't tell me who God was, right?

That's okay. So whoever you want God to be, that's the argument. Whoever you want God to be is your God. Okay, how about this? Who do you want it to be? Whoever you want it to be? So the philosophy is very much about whatever you want to do, is your. Whatever you want to do.

Whatever you want to do, right? Okay, you know, that attracted some people on whoever you want to be, on Elron, Hubbard wrote all these books, Dianetics, and started with that and all this other stuff. And next thing, you know, Adam, that kind of counter contradicts the argument of having a big name because they've had all the big names over the years.

I mean, you can't get big names and these guys got, right? I'm saying Scientology. But they haven't gotten bigger. Their membership's going down. It's not at the peak you used to be. Now, maybe it's because of miscavage. Maybe it's because of whatever. I'm not gonna to talk on that all I'm saying is that part now let me go to the other side there are roughly 200 libertarian politicians out there

almost every one of them is local okay you have a just an amazh who ran as a Republican switch to libertarian michigan I want to say yeah mich then he's like, I'm done, right? Then you have Jeff Huitt, who is the highest ranked libertarian. I think it's Riverside California. Riverside California. He has a job there. And then you got a couple of other guys that are doing what they're doing that are highly ranked, right? Okay.

So, to me, I think what you're doing is great. You got to go out and promote your message and do what you're doing. But I think you guys got to get more grassroots on the bottom to get more people selling locally. That's right. And yeah, to some people locally and then go to the top. Now, what would help on your end? Because yesterday, I'm sitting, I'm like, listen, I have a painting in my club room in my house

and a painting has Milton Friedman there. I'm a Milton Friedman guy. And Milton Friedman, what made him unique, remember that Michael Moore debate with Milton Friedman? I don't know if you've ever seen it or not. Michael Moore, 17 years old, you ever seen this? Was that really Michael Moore? I've seen people say it was young Michael Moore,

but then I saw other people be like, that wasn't Michael Moore. No, but that's Michael Moore who was debating the whole Pinto, you know, with all that. Milton Friedman created that stuff. He Milton Friedman is something else, right? So he, but he was all about debate, right? Okay, which is essentially a little bit of the, what's So he, but he was all about debate, right? Okay.

Which is essentially a little bit of the what's going on right now. There's a little bit of pushback. So let me see how how this guy sold it. So the founder of libertarian is this guy named Nolan, right? The David Nolan, he starts in 1971, right? Of the party Colorado Springs. So why did he start this? What's his motive? Okay. So it was inspired by the Austrian School of Economics, not Ludwig von Miesen. It was more Mori Rothbard. And that time when the party got started, it was because of four reasons.

One was Nixon, what he was doing, his administration, they were not forward, is the Vietnam War. Why do we have to do this whole conscription, I think, like when people are just getting drafted without a choice. And then it was a start of the old standard, that was a time when he kind of switched, I listened, guys, we got to do something about this. So he created his Nolan chart and started going around to everybody and talking like, Hey, left. Hey, right. You may not be what you think you are. You may be this and, oh, shit. This kind of makes sense. The world's smallest political quiz.

But you can get that quiz on the advocates.org. If you want to go to that quiz, and it's easy, it's easy. The advocates that org the world's smallest political quiz. So there is an interview Milton Friedman does. I think everybody has to watch. I've won them. It's filled on. If you haven't watched a 45 minute one part one, I believe you got to watch when he talking about a Nader. I think he's someone Nader. But there's another one that I watch that he is being asked about the libertarian party. So what's the libertarian party? And he says, look, there's two ways of

libertarian party. I've debated Yaron Burke before. I was a host. I wanted the iron brand events that took place a few years ago in Newport Beach One he says is the iron ran one which is like nothing Yeah, everything is you know leave everything around and then there is the version that he is more for which is hey You know, there's a little bit of a you know Consequentialist libertarianism he explains then the the guy starts asking questions saying, which one of these federal government agencies do we need to abolish which one of them to keep? Out of the 14 that he's asking the question,

Department of Agriculture, Abolish, Department of Education, Abolish, Department of Commerce, Abolish, Department of Defense, keep it. Department of Energy, Abolish have put the rest under defense. Okay, department of health and human services It's interesting what he said. He says well, yeah We kind of can but we need it because of contagion and pandemic and things like that Department of housing and development abolish. He said this one hurt America the most by the way housing in urban

You know housing and development the problem of interior first you have to sell the land that the government owns Why does a government owned on this land? He says should, first you have to sell the land that the government owns, why does the government own this land? He says, should government have any land, except for the buildings that the government works out of everything else, give it to the people you shouldn't own all this land. The Department of Justice, keep it.

The Department of Labor, abolish. The Department of Transportation, abolish. Department of State, keep it. Department of Treasury, keep it to collect taxes was the main thing that he talked about. The Department of Veteran keep it to collect taxes was the main thing that he talked about. Department of Veteran Affairs abolish. This is not FDA, CIA, CDC, NIH, FBI, NHS, DEA, FDATF, which ATF makes no sense.

Alcohol, tobacco, fire, arm, the whole we talk about ATF today. We got all these people working for them. That's the store. Yeah, just be sure. So what puts, so that's how he sold it. Then he said the government's role is a few things preserved the peace and defended the country Okay, which is defense Provide a mechanism whereby individuals can adjudicate their disputes just as the parliament right protect individuals from beans

Covers by others individuals, you know police and leave that at the state and local level So that's how Milton sold it which part of what Milton said do you guys disagree with today because this was nearly forty years ago well all of that would be a pretty good start uh... so i think that like i am more of a uh... roth barbie and then uh... then uh... freedman i uh... more i'm a libertarian because i believe in natural rights and i believe that government destroys

people's lives and i find that morally egregious um... but i do think that this kind of consequentialist argument is important also that things would work a lot better uh... if we left let you know like voluntary human action dictate them in markets and rather than you know top-down authoritarian states um... i think that all of

there's so much of the federal government that needs to be abolished that getting into like whether or not he's completely right about keeping the justice department that all of, there's so much of the federal government that needs to be abolished, that getting into like whether or not he's completely right about keeping the justice department, I probably disagree, I think that could be handled by the states better. In terms of keeping the defense department, I mean, there should be a drastic rollback of the military industrial complex. The defense department does not specialize in defending this country. They specialize in starting aggressive wars

for very specific corporate interests at this point. There's not been a real defensive need for the defense department since, certainly not in my lifetime. But you really believe that. That what military action has in my lifetime, has there been one war that was a justified defense of war well nine eleven let me ask you question well okay nine eleven should certainly was a result of a lot of military intervention proceeding nine eleven i mean the at

the people who attacked us on nine eleven were people who we were sponsoring uh... teaching them how to lure the Soviets into afghanistan and bleed an empire dry uh... we then you know radicalize them against us and certainly the i don't think that's the angle of going to nine eleven is a byproduct of jimmy card is bad policies back in nineteen seventy nine with the human rights movement that he added he has to show to release three thousand per per prisoners that he had in the three thousand

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and ISIS in Libya, in Syria and in Yemen, gave them a whole bunch more weapons and stuff like that. So there's been, I mean, yes, 9-11 was awful. We should have in response to that, killed and captured the people who were responsible for that. But that is nothing to do That has nothing to do with a regime change war against the Taliban. Yes, we could have cleaned that up by Christmas of 2001, which you're saying we don't need a department of defense. Not what he said. Okay, you're No, I'm sick and there has been 130,000 employees of department of the fence. Yes, we don't need the trillion dollar a year

Empire, which we maintain what about the hundreds of bases all around the world past eight hundred to be a has got one base was every single one of them and bring every single troop home we're not supposed to be an empire we are supposed to be a republic and we have no need for our country for our defense it does nothing to help the american people this we every one of these troops should come home protect our country protect our borders that should be the role if there is one of these troops should come home. Protect our country, protect our borders,

that should be the role if there is one of the federal government. So for example, this is where I want to get into some of the issues. So if war is taking place in other places and the country is getting stronger by strong armen other people and picking up countries left and right, we should stay out of it. Yes. If it doesn't threaten our country then yes. But let's just say Russia, let's just stay out of it. Russia picks up your cray guys don't do anything. China picks up Hong Kong guys just don't do anything.

You know, China's like listen we're big enough, screw it Australia seems weeks. Why don't we put a 10 year plan to go take over Australia? No guys just don't do anything. Does that also mean as other power empires keep getting stronger and stronger and stronger would just sit on the sidelines and do nothing? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's actually happen. Why they've gone from that to being arguably the second or possibly

most powerful country on earth. And it's because of the fact that cronies in the US and other Western countries realized that the best way they could protect their market share of their various industries that they were in was to create such a high regulatory and tax burden in the US and in North America and in other Western countries that they would basically shut out all the rest of their competition, create such a high barrier to entry that more disruptive smaller competitors could not compete. They did that knowing that eventually,

they would poison the water so much domestically that even they couldn't produce here. But they were fine with that because they were already working to develop good, cozy relationships with dictatorial regimes overseas like China and then use the US military to protect their goods and services that they're making over there all the way back here to sell back to the American people.

That is the problem. The root problem of China is that the US and the West, the regulatory and tax structure in this country. You run businesses, I ran businesses. It's so high that there are people that are moving all their jobs over there. If we made it more fertile ground for people to do business here, people are gonna want to do business here

instead of a country that's telling their company, you can't even criticize us or we won't let you work here. We won't let you operate here. I think that's right. And I also think that, look, that we have to be somewhat realistic. I think that the right. And I also think that, look, we have to be somewhat realistic. I think that the humorous of the American national federal government and its spokespeople is so out of control that people have this like empire mentality.

So the question becomes, can we let China take Taiwan? Should we let them do that? You know, now I don't want the Chinese Communist Party to rule Taiwan. I would rather Taiwan be more free than less free. I want everyone to be free. The truth is that we cannot stop them from doing that. And the idea that we somehow, what do you want to go to in H.B.A.M. war and destroy half of the world and then they still take Taiwan after that?

We do not have an option to have a direct military confrontation with Russia or China. Humanity cannot survive that. In the broader picture, if you're talking about countries dominating other countries, I don't think there's too many examples where a poorer country goes and takes over a richer country. That doesn't tend to happen. It's a richer, more powerful country that takes over a poorer country. The best defense against that is us and our allies be as rich and power.

Can I go to the other ice? And the answer to that is free market capitalism. That's how you produce wealth. So you want to keep your economy as free market as possible so that you are as wealthy as possible and therefore not vulnerable to being taken over. I got a follow up for you, but you want to say so. By the way, I said, I said, Hong Kong, earlier, it's time one correction. Oh, thank you for doing that.

Go ahead. You talk about the evolution, the evolution. Yeah. That also, I don't talk about, it's time one correction. Thank you for doing that. Go ahead. What you talk about, they have a policy and policy and policy. I don't talk about that. That's Milton Friedman talked about. You were bringing that out. Yes. The problem you have with that is when you say those words, the average American gets really afraid because what the government is that what also always said here is, I'm monopoly. So there are many communities now and the lockdowns told us this.

They have lost the institutional knowledge to support themselves, because they've been supported by government for so long. They literally cannot support themselves. So if you just knock down that government monopoly, they will have nothing, and they are afraid of that. Also, for many of these communities, they're in a bad spot. They are kept down by government and employed by government. So now when you take government away, they are no longer kept down, but they're also no longer employed. So

we can't just, we can, but we shouldn't just abolish government. What we should do is support the community and supporting itself, right? And there are policies you can do to begin that. One of the policies I had is if you are a New York state resident and you're going to, you know, pay your taxes at the end of the year, you can take up a $2,000 of that that you would spend sent to the state and instead send to any nonprofit. And if it's a local nonprofit supporting localism, it's $5.00. And you might go $5.00.

How much is that? What if it's a thousand people doing it? 10,000 people doing it. You can begin to support nonprofits locally, community, not government sponsored nonprofits. Government sponsored nonprofits are simply government agencies that are not unionized. But actual local communities that will assist and get the communities up and running.

People do need help. I just believe in my heart and think I'm gonna hear does. Communities and families are gonna be better at supporting people than some government agency. If we support that first, then government will either go away or somehow get better or if it can get better.

But I'll just begin to go away because community will support community. And that's the piece. We have to begin to support communities first. So, okay. Can capitalism stand on its own without law and order? Oh, no. Well, I mean, you need law as the law and order. But, I mean, look, what you need, but just to be more specifically, to be more specific,

what we're talking about law and order, let's be clear specific what we're talking about law and order Let's be clear about what we're talking about what you need is the protection of people in property Yeah, like that's very specifically what you need that people and their property need to be protected against aggressors Now whoever you think should do that that service certainly has to be done Correct the problem that we have today under state policing is that at for there always either doing more than that or less than that right so you always you have things where you have a gun control and the war on drugs and these kind of militarization of the police and tens of thousands of SWAT raids a year where it to the point where like you know my my my friend Tim pool you

know on the Timcast show he's been swatted like multiple times because it's that easy to just swat someone. You can literally just call them and go, oh, here, they're holding people, or they're killing people here. And it's by the fourth time it's happened, the police department isn't going, yeah, we probably don't believe you because you've already done this three times.

So we have this one thing where they're going well beyond protecting people and property, and they become an authoritarian force. And then we have other examples in a lot of these blue cities right now where they're doing well beyond protecting people in property and they become an authoritarian force. Then we have other examples in a lot of these blue cities right now where they're doing less than that, not protecting property, not protecting, you know, not, you can shop lift up to a thousand dollars in San Francisco or whatever exact the rule is, and that leads to chaos. So what you want to find is you want to get as close as possible to the perfect equilibrium

of protecting people in property no more and no less. So I personally, I think private security, it does a better job of that than state police do. So I'd want to see that expanded as much as possible. So that's the common right here. Why do we have things like, why is possession of a drug or crime? Right, that's a type of thing we're talking about. Why is some activity that isn't hurt anybody?

Why is that a crime? Are these a victimless crimes? Is selling it a crime? Why would isn't hurt anybody? Why is that a crime? Are these a victimless crimes? Is selling get a crime? Why would it be a crime? Selling cocaine a crime? It is a crime. It should not be. It is a crime. It shouldn't be. Correct.

Because it's my choice whether I want a bite or not. I can go to the FDA and I can get a drug that will get me hooked and open yours. Should anything be illegal to sell? When I ask Joe this question, should anything be illegal to sell? Yes. There are issues that you don't want to sell certain I asked Joe this question. Should anything be illegal to sell? Yes, there are issues that you don't want to sell certain things to certain ages. Of course, you're going to have age restrictions on things to sell 100%. Should I be able to sell super EMPs? Should I be able to sell nuclear to help you have nuclear power? If you got the money,

you got all the billions, maybe I want to sell it to you as an individual. Well, should I be able to sell that to you? If there's someone who can afford to buy a nuclear power plant. There's a lot of guys today that can't. Yes. If they can buy a nuclear power plant and they want a nuclear power plant, they're going to get a nuclear power plant. If they actually want it, they're going to go get it. It doesn't matter.

No one has, so this is a question that libertarians get asked a lot because we're against the war on drugs and the war on guns. So people will go to the extreme and say, well, what about nukes? It's important to note that no person outside of a state or government has nukes right now, not because they can't get them, but because who else but a government would want to have nukes. In fact, the entire nuclear energy system we have right now, which was originally built more towards the production of nuclear weapons than actual nuclear energy, which is why it's

not as efficient as things like thorium plants and things like that, is because it was government leading the way on it saying, well, no, our top priority is having nuclear bombs before they realized that it would destroy the planet and that they couldn't use them as freely as they were using them like in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. That wasn't going to be a new arsenal that they would use all the time. But the point of that is absent the need by a central authority, by essentially planned authority to rule over others. There's not really a good reason to have a nuke. It's not something you're able to use in like a sense.

I'm a good reason to have a lot of things, though. I'm just asking, like, don't ask questions. I'm asking, I'm asking a question. I'm asking a question. I'm asking a question. Wait a minute. I'm asking a question because I'm asking the question

to challenge the philosophy if there's a limit to the philosophy. I'm not asking it because tomorrow I want to buy nuclear weapons. Of course there's a limit. So let me go to a different area. Let me touch this piece. This is common.

Well, then we'll all die. We'll all explode. The world will end. Let's start having those conversations. Let's start having conversations on what type of machine gun we can have or whatever. Let's have that conversation not whether I can defend myself in my home. We are so far from what you're talking about.

It's on the planet. I don't think we're far from what I'm talking. I actually don't think we're far from what I'm talking about. We're living in a time right now that we're two to four years, we're going to have multiple trillionaires, people are going to have money to be able to become more powerful than many, many, many governments and countries around the world. But let me go to the other question. That's my biggest concern, Larry. And I really want you guys to tackle this.

Okay. So, 800 military bases. We lead in the world. We can probably go away with 90% of them. Some say we can go away with 100%. China's got one. It's in Djibouti, specifically because of oil and the whole, where they're targeting to control their oil, where they're getting it from, fine, let's set that aside. But I'm gonna go back to what I asked him, and I actually don't care, I know what you say to this. Say a country keeps becoming a bigger superpower, bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger.

Should we do anything about it, or should we just leave it or don't say, guys, don't worry about it, we're in America. What do you mean, what do you mean specifically, do anything about it or should we just leave it or don't say guys, don't worry about it, we're in America. What do you mean? What do you mean specifically do something about it? Like what are you, what would you be proposing to do about it? Say a little guy calls and says, Hey man, Dave, I need your help, bro, they're about to take my ass out. Well, if you do say, dude, it's not my business, but I'm handling my own business here. Well, I look at it like this, right? So I, personally, I would never advocate for a war that I wasn't willing to fight and die in myself.

And so in the same sense of like, if you were saying, there's children in your neighborhood somewhere who are at risk, would I risk my children in order to go help them? The answer is almost certainly now. And that's just, I don't mean to be cold about it. It doesn't mean that I don't have any sympathy for those kids but my first priority in life is protecting my children and i kind of look at that

extended out now we the bottom line is we are not supposed to be an empire we're supposed to be a republic if another country does want to become an empire which i also think the truth is that we are by far still the richest country in the world and we can't afford the empire that were maintaining worth thirty trillion dollars in debt trying to maintain this empire i don't think there's any other country who could really maintain it for long that doesn't mean they can't squash some of the smaller neighbors along the way um... i think that it would be reasonable to do everything in our power to try to negotiate a peaceful

solution to a problem so in with russian uk right now, forget all the meddling that the United States of America has done to help create this mess. I would not have a problem with a massive diplomacy effort right now to say, hey, we need to reach a deal to have a ceasefire here. Vladimir Putin is going to get a little bit of what he wants. He's not going to get everything he wants. Let's try to end the world, let's try to end the bloodshed. Should we go to war to defend one of these other countries, I think if you want to strap

on a helmet and a pair of boots and grab a gun and go over there and help them, more power to you brother. I wouldn't stop you from doing that. But again, should we force the American taxpayer to pay for this, especially when our own country is falling apart? Absolutely not. So in other words, what you're saying is, let me restate this one more time. If China keeps picking up pieces on the puzzle, smaller the countries, and they're bullying them, and Russia is doing that, as long as we're sitting here, and it's not affecting us at all, we should just leave them alone. We shouldn't do anything to those guys. Again, I don't know if I'd say we shouldn't do anything. I mean, Again, I don't know if I'd say we shouldn't do anything I mean like I think you can condemn people you can try to

They don't care about condemning that doesn't bother you know, I'm not saying or gluten I'm not saying that that's going to stop But you just use the words literally do anything if you're talking about should we go to war with nuclear armed countries for other countries? No, I don't agree. Okay, so let's say let's say let's say let's say let's say guys this has been going off for a long time. Let's say they go and all of a sudden added the 200 countries that we have. Okay, in whatever numbers 195 to 205 it changes let's say it's 200. At the 200 countries that we have all of some were down to 180, 160, 140, 120, 160, 50. You're okay if there's only 20 countries in the world

and one of them becomes a superpower because it can go on board. I'm certainly not okay with that. I'm not gonna let you say, I'm certainly not okay with that. But in the same time, I almost feel like this mentality. It's like you're in a marriage and your marriage is falling apart and you're sitting here worrying about the marriage down the block and going like, oh, I think their marriage is really on the rock. I'm saying, well, I'm saying our country

is falling apart and it's because we've tried to be the empire in the world. Let me give you an actual answer. This is all of this. I'm the policy guy. Let me give you, I'm not, I'm not the theory guy, right? This theory guys, I'm going to give you actual policy in two things. How do you destroy the military and industrial complex and bring the empire back? And then how do you hand over what you just said? Let me first test the military and industrial complex. The military and industrial complex,

while we have the empire, is because of money. That's only reason why. We have a bunch of contractors who literally make trillions of dollars on these things. What we must do is we have to immediately end all hot wars, all of them end. Bring those troops back to bases that we currently have and or to the states. Allow their normal contracts to end.

You do not discharge them immediately, and all of a sudden the term is said, that's a terrible idea. You can't discharge millions of troops in America with no jobs and break all their contracts. You don't do that. You don't allow realistments. So you allow their contracts to end and they know in advance because people plan their families around this. Hey, you knock them at realist, plan your life around this two years. You're going to be out or whatever case, or limit realistments. This brings our military service down. That's number

one. Number two, all the countries that were now deciding that we're not going to trade with, open up trade with all of them North Korea, Cuba, Iran, all of the open up trade completely and give preferred treatment which makes them a lot of turns unhappy, but I still say it with the military and our complex. To not give them weapons but to give them trucks and computers and whatever. The military and our complex doesn't want to kill people, it just doesn't care. It wants to sell stuff and make money. So give them the opportunity to sell stuff and make money not killing people. They will begin to transfer do that

While you do that you slowly begin to look at every single agreement we have with these bases Some are sofa agreements some are alliance agreements and you look at all of the deals all of them have some out contract With this time or things happen and you let everyone of those out you get out of every single one of those bases as The agreements, so you don't want to break your contracts But all the contracts have ways of getting us out. Within 10 years, you will have almost every base removed with the exception of those that are required to protect trade routes.

I think we should retain bases with our naval forces that protect trade routes. Besides that, bring all the troops home, let them go away. Now, how do I stop when someone's grabbing all these countries? No one's grabbing those countries. That scenario you made up is a total fantasy. You have to be naive to say that. You have to be naive to say that. No, you have to be naive to say that. Russia can't take Ukraine. How naive of a statement is that? What do you mean? There are more

countries. What are happening in the end? So you're telling me there is no countries that want to take over other countries. I didn't say that. You said 200 to 50. No way. I said it. No way. So let me have a gonna happen.

Do you want a life insurance policy? I do. Why do you want it? Because I'm gonna die one day. Okay. So do you own it because you're gonna die tomorrow? Maybe. Do you want to die?

But you're gonna die tomorrow? Maybe. You're gonna die the next day. Maybe today. Maybe today. But do you know? Let gonna you're gonna die tomorrow. Maybe you can die the next day. Maybe today Maybe today, but you know Let's not go out like you have a no I'm not dropping it right now, but you know do you know? No, I know. Okay. Do you have an optional agreement? Do I know I do you have a state planning? Do you have a living trust? You have a will

I do okay, so I for me Do you only think and by the way the industry complex, nobody disagrees with that. Yeah, that nobody on the left or the right or the middle disagree, and those who do, they're involved. Correct. Nobody disagrees with that part. Let's add that part aside. All I'm saying is the argument to think that all these other

guys are going to sit there and say, okay, for example, how come Russia didn't invade Ukraine under Trump? How come, how come, how come, I'm gonna be clear on this. No, but you, you're not allowing me to make it my point. I'm down to 20 countries. I am saying that because that to me is,

I have to have a life insurance policy against that happening. And if I don't have an insurance policy against that, somebody will take advantage of it. You always called nuclear weapons. Well, we have it if we have an insurance policy. So, so that, it's that nuclear weapon. advantage of it. You always called nuclear weapons. Well, we have an insurance company. So that is defense. Of course, so you need a major defense. So the enemy knows to not screw with your country.

Yes. But there is a big butt that we're going with here and I want to get spikes feedback on this. This is the one part that we haven't yet, you still haven't addressed, okay? If a smaller guy, smaller country is being bullied by a bigger one, a Putin or a regime, or anyone, these guys, and they're going

and imposing themselves on them. Should we sit on the sidelines and not knowing if I've got it? I need to answer. So the United States military industrial, and I know you're saying that no one agrees with that, but that's what we have. So when you're saying do something, that's the thing we have. You know, they literally say fight with the army you have.

The army we have spent 20 years and tens of billions of dollars to replace the Taliban, which they helped to create with a better armed Taliban that now has the support of the majority of Afghanistan people. So that's the problem. They spent over a trillion dollars, not tens of billions of dollars. Just on the military, after all. We have 83 billion dollars of equipment for those guys. 83 billion dollars worth.

That's a lot of equipment. Yeah. That's what when you're saying do something, that's the system we have. What's much better is to look at why China and these other countries are potential threats to begin with. Quick, quick poll here. Anyone raise your hands who think that state communism is a great way to run a country

and that it will become a powerful empire as a result of communism. Exactly, no one thinks that. The reason it's set up that way is because the other powerful economies are intentionally choking themselves off so that a small handful of cronies in those countries can have a controlled market

where they are the ones that control the market by having control of the labor and the production, which is controlled in China. And China's benefiting from that. You just had the G20 countries every year, the G8 or G7 now, because they kicked Russia out, but that all the major economies get together and they talk about things like minimum, global, minimum taxes. And they talk about things like climate change controls. And they talk about all these different regulations and taxes and they all congratulate each other on it and

China is completely left out of it and they sit there and go that looks great. We're going to continue to have the most competitive economy because these countries are intentionally choking themselves off and they're not doing it because they're stupid. They're doing it because the cronies that put those politicians in place in all of those countries are benefiting from that. They benefit, they make the billions, they deal with not having to have nearly as many competitors. And China's just sitting there

and reaping the whirlwind from it. If we get rid of that, if we do deregulation here, you're gonna see masses of jobs come back, or honestly, a lot of them will just wither on the vine there and be replaced with much better businesses and more disruptive industries here as a lot of them will just wither on the vine there and be replaced with much better businesses and more disruptive industries here, as a result of that. And so now, China will have to sit there and say,

okay, do we wanna be a communist regime that is now falling apart because the US isn't choking itself off economically? Or do we have to create an actual free market, do we need to have a free or market so that we can actually feed our people? They're not even gonna be thinking about empire. They're gonna be thinking about how they don't go back

to starving to death by the tens of millions. Yeah, I would recommend, this is, first of, I would recommend people read David Stockman. You know who David Stockman is? He was Reagan's budget director. He's a brilliant, he's a book. But he wrote a couple great books. The great deformation was incredible.

I recommend people read that. But I'm talking more about his articles that he's been writing about China. And he's completely convinced that China isn't a huge bubble. That this is not that they're gonna have a huge crash coming up. Now, I'm not, I don't know what... The chance been saying that for 30 years.

Yeah, well, okay, maybe they're wrong. I'm just saying that is another possibility here too. I mean, they really have. Like, if you think what our Fed is doing is crazy, I mean, they're really like a ghost economy in a sense. That being said, though, I don't think it's impractical that bigger countries are going to squash little countries.

And of course, I think this has been happening for all of human history. This happens all around the globe. And I think there are a lot of people who get innocent people who get crushed in that process. I think that the difference between your hypothetical and his spike is talking about what we really are living in. So, I guess theoretically, if you made America the kind of benevolent good guys who some big country was trying to impose their will on some small country, shouldn't we be the good guys in this fight, kind of like disinterested, and come in and say, hey, no big guy, you don't

get to impose your will on the small guy. Perhaps in theory, in reality, we are the big guy who imposes our will on the small guy. The greatest purveyor of violence in the world is the United States of America's federal government. Over the last 25 years in the 21st century, there is no question. You look at the hundreds of thousands, if you add up the war in Iraq, in Libya, in Syria, in Yemen, in Somalia, what we've done, we're in the millions

of innocent people who have been killed as a result of our wars. Perhaps we are not in the position to claim that we are the guy who stands up for the little guy being bullied by the big guy. That's not why we're on the side of Ukraine, that's not why we're on the side of Hong Kong, that is nothing to do with any of it.

This is strategic interest from very interested people who are blood soaked monsters who don't have anything to say about the hundreds of thousands of people being slaughtered in Yemen right now as baby starved death in Yemen that war in Yemen could be ended with a phone call from the president of the United States telling Saudi Arabia we will not tolerate this war of genocide going on and they don't pick up the phone call the phone to make that call because they're benefiting from that partnership with Saudi Arabia. This is not okay. So, humanitarian impulses do not we will not tolerate. We will not tolerate. Unpack the meaning of we will not tolerate. What do you mean we will not

tolerate. If you were look Saudi Arabia and the United States of America have been in a partnership since the 70s and they're both and Saudi Arabia is they need that partnership with the United States of America. The Obama literally said and you can Google this and check it out to placate the Saudis. He helped them launch the war in Yemen. We were refueling their fighter jets for the first seven years of this war, a war of genocide, where people are dying by the hundreds of thousands. When this is all said and done, I bet you it's over a million people who die in the war in Yemen once they get the real numbers, including the like cholera outbreaks and all of that stuff. This is the poorest country in the

Middle East Yemen before the war. The poorest country there, poorer than the poorest people we've ever met in our lives, people who live in the United States of America. They continued it all the way through the Trump administration. Biden promised he was going to end it, they've been escalating it since he's been in the middle he was gonna end it they've been escalating it what is that in the middle my point is that they could if the united states of america put serious pressure on the south howl said listen no more weapons no more deals in less you find an end to this war

there's no question that they could end this thing they could have ended it by just never starting it under barok obama they could have ended it by donald trump coming in there and just not but donald trump was like our selling a bunch of weapons to the Saudis. This is great business. So he kept it going. But I'm just saying, if we really want to be humanitarians and we really want to stop

a bigger country from bullying a smaller country, well, you got a bigger country in Saudi Arabia committing genocide against a smaller country in Yemen where we have tremendous influence over them. It'd be much easier to stop that than to stop Russia or China. Let's start small. Go do it one time. And then maybe I'll believe that the US federal government is in the business of protecting the small from the big.

I'll give you an answer. You ask what that means. As I said, you retain protection of trade routes. So people stop doing things you don't like. Don't protect their trade routes. It's again, non-compliance can still make it happen. Not trading can be something you can do. If we are, as Dave says, the most powerful, if we- You just set open trade for everybody. I can't absolutely. I can't absolutely

say open trade for North Korea. You run for everybody. Who's North Korea invading? What little guy are they invading? Nobody. But if you're worried about a big guy invading someone, if that's your concern, there are other things we can do besides War. You think South Koreans go to sleep good at night? 100% I bet. No, but not there. But not you think they're not worried about the guy. No, but they're worried about nuke.

I mean, they're not worried. They're not worried about North Korea. They're not dating South Korea. They're worried about them launching a nuke. That's a part of it, though. Yes, yeah. No, I think that's a fear. Yes, you have a nuclear arm, bad man.

But the fear is not. North Korea is too poor to do anything. Let's just out there. Okay, but go there. Go there and say North Korean, nook South Korea. What should we do? Wow, you just go to places like that.

Why in the world would North Korean, North Korea? But guys, all I'm true. They're Koreans. As a person who is just thinking from the, we have a guy right now that the conversation had yesterday two days ago We have Peter prior Dr. Peter Prado. I don't know if you know who he is or not He is a leading expert for weapons of mass destruction and nuclear weapons and super EMPs and you know experts are saying if they drop a

Super EMP 70% of America's gonna die within 30 days sure This is a reality and so there's a lot of shit going on today So for me to sit there and say, guys, I'm worried about it. It's gonna be chill. Nothing's gonna. No, no, no, no a guy that this is like we're living in our land in America where there's no wars here. Is somebody new caron? Half a million people die between them and I read. Yes. Oh, by the way, yes. And by the way, because the United

States was funding and support. But both sides, we were given by the both sides in that war. If North Korea today, okay, so let me let me go back to what you said. You said something here. So, well, if we take this route and, you know, here's what's gonna be happening and, you know, they're gonna see us as the good guys and, hey guys, don't do this, et cetera, et cetera. Okay. If your last name is Trump, when you go to school,

but you're not Donald Trump, but your last name is Trump, if you go somewhere you go to school or you don't business, you introduce yourself as, hi, I'm Baron Trump. Are you going to be judged? Yeah. Yeah, okay. Of course.

If your last name is Kennedy, you say, hi, I'm Robert Kennedy, Jr. Are you going to be judged? Of course. Your last name is Clinton. I'm Chelsea Clinton. How are you? Do you immediately go to a, oh, I'm dealing with a Trump, a Kennedy or a Clinton? Yes, I'm good.

Okay. If you are representing a country whose name is the United States of America, and you're going to say, listen, guys, we've changed. We're nice people now. But that's not what I'm just saying. We don't want to do anything anymore. Let's just kind of kick it and let's have a good relationship together and let's do this. Say you change, say we change Philosophically, dramatically to go to a libertarian philosophy. I See the only way that works if everybody is joining that camp. China's gonna say you're good for you guys

Go ahead Russia's gonna say okay, awesome nice people Your current system means in about four to eight years, new guys are going to take over what you're doing right now. And he's going to go back to whatever was in the past before. So, this is going to be in future is happening now. Well, you're acting like this is some future. The Chinese right now are dominating us in places like Africa and Southeast Asia because we are wasting our time fighting wars in Afghanistan. They love it. Listen, they love it. They love what we're just, see, here's the thing's the thing here but let me just say okay here there's two errors here

that you can control for right and i think you're focusing on one and not the other and the other is more the reality of the situation right now so you can make the argument that if we kind of back off that that's less of a disincentive for other people to take over because they don't think we're going to be as forceful strong what's actually going on more in in reality right now is that we are provoking a lot of these other countries into some of their actions. I mean, look, we expanded NATO all the way up to the Russian border and then we're shipping in money, weapons and money, and also we're instrumental in Ukrainian coup in 2014.

All before Vladimir Putin ended up in invading, I don't think the lesson here is necessarily that, oh, if we back off, he's going to invade. We also might provoke him by going further. And I think this could be funny. Okay, fine. So there's also today, so that they are considering joining NATO. So this is on now.

Now things are escalating higher and higher rather than what we want, which is to de-escalate the situation. Okay, so on top of that, look, do you honestly think, let's think about this, does Vladimir Putin or does China, do they want us out of Afghanistan or in Afghanistan for another 20 years? They want to say that. They want us in for another 20 years. They are not looking at what we've done with this empire and saying, oh great, they bankrupted themselves and destroyed their culture. Maybe we could be next on that.

I think they'd rather, China's been going around and investing with countries while we've been occupying them militarily. We have made the hugest blunder strategically in the 21st century of handing the 21st century to China. We need to stop doing that. What we should be doing is saying, yes, we're gonna pull back, we can trade with people,

invest with them. We're gonna have the freest economy here we can have and be 100 times richer than China and they're not something we're going to have to worry about. I'd much rather go in that direction than in the direction of, look, it's like this. Anytime, I understand you're saying that you're not advocating for us, provoking them, you're talking about how do we make sure that we defend. But once you create this entrenched power, this is where it's where it's gonna go you know the old cold warriors back in the day uh... before the fall of the soviet union uh... guys like bill buckley he used to

say you know i basically agree with libertarians you know in theory but look we got the soviet union so we have to have this big military industrial complex in his word we in his words we needed a totalitarian bureaucracy within our own shores just to fight off the Soviet Union to fight this Cold War And then when the when the Soviet Union fell in 1991 They all went great military industrial complex over now we can go back to being a normal country Oh, no, of course they didn't then they went oh, we got to go see about Saddam Hussein

We got to go see about Kosovo We got to go see and just wars continued on and on and on because once you have this entrenched government power, well this is how they make money. This is how they expand their power. So it's not, I don't think you can have it perfectly down the middle where we're this big bad policeman of the world but we only do good by everyone. It's too corrupting. This is what the founders all said. This is why we can't go around the world looking for monsters to slide. We have to stay here. 90% of the world is in really bad shape. It's not what first world people live like.

And I think you know that. It's not, that is a sad, difficult reality. But the best thing we can be is be a city on a hill, be an example to these other countries. Let them learn from us. If we're richer and happier and more prosperous and more free, other countries will try to emulate us. We can't enforce it at the barrel of a gun.

And stop subsidizing our threats. Well, that's for sure. Whether it's the CIA funding the next terror group that we haven't even heard of yet, like they did with ISIS, like they did with al-Qaeda, whether it's, whether it's like we're talking about subsidizing, essentially subsidizing the economies of Russia and China through bad regulatory and tax structures here that make it harder to do business here, whether it's, I mean, what started with the Middle East, Operation Ajax, Eisenhower because he didn't like the democratically elected government that

was in Iran, he replaced it, he did Operation Ajax, which was the CIA going in and deposing the democratically elected government, replacing it with a Shah who was very unpopular, right? And so he comes in and comes back in with the vegans and that leads to the, the, the, the, the, the, um, the revolution. Yes, the Iranian revolution. Okay. So now you have the IOTOL is in charge. This is what happens when we're saying, what are we going to do about it?

What we should do about it is look at how we got here and then how we can fix it. If there were a stop-china from invading anyone button, I don't think anyone here wouldn't press it, but there isn't. What there is is a military industrial complex that has proven itself really bad at doing things other than making money for cronies and corporate interests, killing lots and lots of people

and making us all less safe in the process. Do you think there's a likelihood that we can have another Hitler? No. Are you seeing in the States or in the world? No, no, no, worldwide, not in the States. Do you think there's a likelihood that there will be possibly another Hitler? I think it's unlikely.

I mean, there's, it's not impossible. Look, I think you have three figures in the 20th century who kind of rise to that level of evil in Hitler's Stalin and Mao. Yeah. And so the idea of having another one of them, I think that might be a type of unique evil that was somewhat unique to that time. In this post-industrialized world, in the aftermath of World War I, it, I think it would be much

harder to pull off today in a world where information travels so much quicker around the world that doesn't mean it's impossible. And it weapons too. New people weapons also. Do you think it is likely? I want to say, I think it is likely. And we have to look at what led to the Hitler and Stalin and Mao, which by the way, it wasn't them as individuals.

If it hadn't been them, it would have been someone else. Okay. So in Hitler, we had the Weemer Republic, which did out of control spending. Also the after effects of World War One, World War Two is basically an extension of World War One. There was about 20 year truths that happened there. But in the meantime, you had the allied countries that were just destroying Germany's economy. Germany's government was spending money out of control and it led to the money being

worth absolutely nothing. and that allowed a man I'd madman like Hitler to come in because he provided a stark contrast to what everyone else was saying and that allowed that to happen And it was our it was also our federal reserve. I mean if you look at in I think it was in 28 the Nazis of the Nazi party Yeah, destroyed in the elections in Germany Yeah, then they came back again in the special election was in 30, I think. I might have it right around these years. And they came back and they took a bunch of power. This was how the Nazis got in power. And it was all because of the Great Depression, which was caused by our bubble bursting here that the Federal Reserve created. And then all

of the debt got called in from Germany. It destroyed the German people. And of course, enforcing the Treaty of Versailles, you said, look, Woodrow Wilson in World War One said, we have to make the world safe for democracy, right? Kind of this argument. We had despots in Europe, so we have to go there and overthrow them. And we overthrow the kings and queens, the monarchs are all gone in Europe, in England and name only, but the monarchs are gone in England. And then in the aftermath of World War I, you got Adolf Hitler, Vladimir Lenin, and Joseph

Stalin. And those monarchs looked pretty good at that point. Well, I'm going to bring out one quick point though. I'm not against fighting. I'm a Marine. I'm not afraid of violence. I'm trained to be, I'm, tons of my brothers and sisters have gone over there and lost arms and legs. But my worry is why am I Marines leaving their legs in the streets of, I don't know, Candahara or Baghdad? If I'm going to leave my legs in the streets in the streets of Manhattan, I'll fight for Baghdad. If I'm gonna leave my legs in the streets, and the streets are Manhattan.

I'll fight for my city, I'll fight for my country, I'll fight for my nation, I'm not afraid of that. But why are we sending literally millions of men and women to go fight overseas, and when they come back, we shoot like garbage anyway, and then we don't even know why they die, they don't know why their lives are ruined. This is not the right answer, right?

If they're gonna die, and I'm telling you, I know these people, they would lay their life down. And when I was in Marine, I would have ordered men to their death, or I would have gone to my death because Ronald Reagan, who was my first financial chief, would have told me to do so. And many of them would do it, but why are we doing it for an Afghanistan literally for nothing?

The act of Iraq? Literally for nothing. The active duty military people vote and send more money to the most anti-war act of the rock the literally for nothing that the active active duty military people uh... vote and send more money to the most anti-war president that's here ron paul ron paul got more money from active duty military members than every other republican combined in two thousand eight and two thousand twelve donald trump got far more support from the military than hillary clinton when he was taking a more dubbish stance in two thousand sixteen

the people who actually have to fight these wars are the ones who know what's up. They don't want to do it. I think Johnson was popular with veterans too. He got some like double digits, right? Yep. I've been to almost all 50 states at this point in just the last two, three years during the campaign and after the campaign working on you were the power and growing that now. Doing that, I've met with people across the country.

I would say that at any event that I do, anywhere from 20 to 40% of the people that come out are either active duty or veterans who are coming, that what brought them into libertarianism was either me or someone else, Dave or Larry or Ron Paul or whomever else telling them that we were against the Wars of Intervention. We were against the military industrial complex. We were against the veterans administration uh single uh... single uh... side in single pair government run health care system that that's completely destroying their health the health that they were promised when they came back um... that's what's bringing them to it this system isn't working it makes us less safe it waste a bunch of money it it scores countless scores of people

are dying overseas many more coming here and dying. The veterans are, people are going, active duty troops are going over there and dying. The ones that are fortunate enough to come home, not in a flag drape casket, come home with PTSD, traumatic brain injuries, all sorts of health problems. They're given the worst form of healthcare in this country, the veterans administration. One out of every 10 homeless people is homeless. One out of every 10 people is a veteran. Or it's a veteran. One out of every 10 homeless people is a veteran. One out of every 10 prisoners is a veteran.

It's actually higher than that now. And this is as a direct result of this system. So when we're saying do something, yes, we should do something. And that something is looking at the root cause of what even caused a communist regime to be powerful in the first place and stop doing that. So for Jessica, do you have anything to say here? Cause we're about to take a shot at Tequila after this. Cause I think it's...

Oh, I'm ready for Tequila. Okay, all right, good. So Adam, if you want to start it. That's my show. So let me finish this. Let me finish this and I wanna hear what you say here. So this is what I'm getting from what you guys are saying. Okay.

Military industrial complex check. we don't disagree. Most of the wars started that we didn't need to go to, they were not necessary, fine, check, 90%. Let's put it out, you can see 100%. Fine, they were not necessary, let's go there. The only area for me with this that concerns me, that I think the argument needs to be sold in a better way is you have to believe that there are certain people worried and fearing the next possible, you know, Hitler that decides

to go out there and do something. I think your argument has to touch on that a little bit to know that here's how we would handle that person. I'm a strategist, I'm a defense guy, I'm an insurance guy, I'm a financial guy, so it's always a defensive strategy in case of a market crash. If the market, like right now, inflation's about to go up, the Goldman Sachs, we had a meeting with them last week, saying, six, the last time, the interest rates went up

twice in a span of a quarter, three months, we had a recession within 24 months, 60% chance, there's been a recession. Well, we're in a recession right now. We're about to go through a home property value is going to drop. You guys are seeing what's going on with crypto, what's going on with Bitcoin, what's going with Ethereum. You can't keep doing this.

They raised it a half a point in the highest in the last four decades. This time is coming. So how are we prepared for it, right? This isn't, oh, we're never going to have another recession. Oh, we're never going to have another depression. That's naive to think that. No, it's coming. We we're never gonna have another depression that's naive to come in we're never gonna have another Hitler we have to think that we have to say there's gonna be one

we have to say if there is that that that that that that that's the only part I'm saying if a country like a China or Russia decides to go out there and impose on around their neighbors what are we gonna be I guess the point that I think I was trying to get at before and I think this is a bitter pill for a lot of americans to to swallow um that if you're looking for someone that's us right now

yeah that's what the ones who have been that i mean if you want to talk about the blood that Vladimir Putin has on his head they make this huge deal about when he invaded kramia you know many people died when he invaded kramia six six people died in the invasion of Crimea. Now in Ukraine, there have been, it looks like tens of thousands of people dying, and that's 23,000 of his own people.

Yeah, it's horrible. It's inexcusable. I'm the most anti-war person on the planet. I'm not making any excuse for that. However, it's just like, look, it doesn't always have to be Hitler, exactly. But there can be very, very bad people who kill a lot of people. That was a pretty unique thing.

Hitler, you're like, gassing children and stuff. That was a unique evil, maybe the most evil thing in history. But if you're looking at who is the great evil right now, objectively speaking, we're sitting on the other side of this equation, which is, I think, a bitter pill to swallow from the inside of the empire. So my perspective on that is just like, look, we got it. Like let's work on rolling that evil back. If there is a Hitler that rises up outside of the United States of America, some evil person,

then yeah, I agree with you. There should be contingencies in mind. We should be thinking about what can we do to kind of have the whole world unite against this unique evil if that were to arise. However, my only point that I keep kind of, you know, harping on is that we are probably, we are definitely the closest to that right now, not us, our federal national government. And this has been sold by always invoking this guy as the next Hitler. Saddam Hussein was the next Hitler. and then Gaddafi was the next Hitler

And then Assad is the next Hitler and then every single war that they want They always tell you this guy is the next Hitler so I am just more concerned I think in reality it's much more of an issue the blood that our country has on its hands right now And the fact that this obsession with finding the next Hitler leads to claiming people who could never like the idea that session with finding the next Hitler leads to claiming people who could never like the idea that that Gaddafi after decades of ruling this country was about to go hit Larry and Jenna side all was complete nonsense and it's basically been demonstrated at this point that all the intelligence on that was wrong and look at the result of it. Did you put Gaddafi and Putin in the same camp? They've Putin's not capable of doing that? No Putin is more capable of doing that. Yes, they are more

capable than then. But to deal with those people, you don't have to have a military industrial complex. That's my point. If we were not saying that though, no one was saying that. Nobody here is saying that at all. You don't have to have a military industrial complex to deal with the next Hitler. What have that next Hitler is? You can do it without the military industrial complex. Hitler, Stalin and Mao were left, well, Hitler was a right wing reactionary, was part of, was the leader of a right wing reactionary movement. Stalin and Mao were leaders of the left wing reactionary movements. Actually, Lenin wasn't then Stalin took over, but Mao was in charge of the

left wing reactionary movement in China. These are reactions to bad systems. It wasn't like everything was going great in those countries, and then Minol, Hitler, Stalin, and Mao showed up, or Menol, Lenin, Hitler, and Mao showed up. We have to look at what leads to these things happening, and then fix that. This is like going to a doctor, and you have cancer, and they go, oh, well, you see, you gotta burn there on your skin,

we're gonna deal with that. Well, the burns being caused by a cancer, a systemic problem that needs to be fixed. And if you don't deal with the cancer, then you're just gonna keep dealing with symptoms until the patient dies, right? We have these are symptoms. Hitler was not the problem.

He was the symptom of a problem. And what's done in Mal were not the symptoms? They were the symptoms of that problem. The problem is a system that benefits a very small handful of people by design at everyone else's expense. That's why libertarians focus so much on the federal reserve and on the central banking system and on things like that. It's that that leads to those.

Yeah, and look, even with the worst of all of them, Mao Seitong, right? I mean, he has more deaths on his hands than Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin combined. And look, Richard Nixon went over to China and shook his hand and Pat Buchanan, the most right wing guy you could think of, was writing speeches for him. He said, Pat Buchanan literally said in his book that he was making himself nauseous because he was Nixon's speech writer as he had to write these nice things about Mao Zai. I mean, imagine, writing nice things about the most worse human being because ever existed on the planet, you know? And, but he did that, and that opened up relations,

and that was better. You know, if I was thinking about how to deal with a country like China or like North Korea or something like that, I'd be almost down for some like guerrilla private organization to be like, we're smuggling DVDs and like internet hotspots into this country to open it up.

So that's what they're terrified of. That's what North Korea's terrified of. There's smuggling DVDs from South Korea and they start seeing the South Korean soap operas and they go, why do they have so much food on their plates? You've been telling us we're richer than them. Why, I've never seen this much food. You know what I mean?

It's like, that's the question becomes like, to Spike's point, what caused this cancer? And then what is the cure for it? Yeah, and they sure for it isn't military conference. They said the downfall of the USSR wasn't anything militarily was freaking blue jeans. Yeah, that's right. And movies. It was that and really what is that that is a result of the fact that our economic system of capitalism even the kind of corrupt capitalism that we had was superior to their economic system. And that they ultimately wanted a good life like Americans were having.

How much? How much longer after Karl Marx wrote his book, Communist Manifesto, we had a country that was a communist country running on his philosophies. About 50 years, right? Yeah, 50 years? 40, 50 years? Okay, about 50 years of that. So Nolan came out in 71. It is now

2022, 50 years. And there's not one country for libertarian time. It's not. And the only ones you can see, maybe New Zealand's got an element of it, but not necessarily fully there. So why, why hasn't a, if this philosophy is so effective and so peaceful and so necessary and so free, why hasn't one of these countries chosen to take it up as they're, well, that, as they're, you know, way of running their country? Well, here's what, as Milton Friedman, right, as someone you're a fan of. I mean, he would say it this way, right, that if you want to look, the United States of America, between the end of, let's take the end of the civil war to about

nineteen ten so about eighteen sixty five to nineteen ten in this and i'm not saying everything was perfect back then i'm not saying it was a libertarian society but economically speaking looking at it there was no central bank there was no income tax there was essentially no federal regulation of the economy that national spending was something like 2% of the national income. By today's standards, you'd be like, this is basically anarchist. There's literally no government intervention. And in this time period, we had the largest at the time, expansion of wealth, the biggest improvement in the lot in life of the average man in the history

of the world. The wealth that had never been thought of before was created. Now the problem that I think freedom has is that also a Milton Friedman quote, he goes, freedom is in the general interest, but it's not in anybody's special interest. There's the issue. And so what happens is, as the wealth gets created more and more, the government tends to siphon off. The parasitical class tends to siphon more and more and more,

and this grows the government. And so this is the issue that we've been dealing with. It's like because we're the richest country in the world, it was because we were the most free country in the world. We become the richest country in the world. Because we're the richest country in the world, we now have the largest tax base. This leads to the government getting bigger and bigger

and now we have the largest government in the world. The largest most powerful government in the history of humanity. It's the United States federal government. So that is the challenge. But it's not as if no country's, maybe no country has embraced the entire libertarian program. That's also true for Marxism. It's not as if any country really embraced

every single word he ever wrote. But the countries who have embraced more freedom have been the most successful countries in the world. So I think my view for what the solution is to that is to create as much of a libertarian populist uprising as we can have. Yes. I think the more people that believe in these values, the more libertarians there are, the

more likely we are to listen to libertarian independence. What's the different libertarian independence? Well, I think libertarian is a philosophical outlaw, whereas independent just means you are not part of one of these two, you know, and mean? Or any of the parties. Or any of the parties. One's a political affiliation. So you can be both a libertarian and an independent, or you can be a member of the libertarian party and an independent thinker,

but an independent could just be something different than what the establishment is. Whereas we are something specific, people who believe in human liberty. And the reason that a lot of independents aren't coming to the libertarian party, and for that matter, a lot of, most self-described libertarians

aren't members of the Libertarian party. So for example, one of the best ways you can judge if someone's a libertarian or not is how they register in their voting. In most states, the difference between registered libertarians and states that have party registering or have third party registering, and members of that state party is 99%.

Yes. It's like 1% of... And I'm not talking about the population of the state. I'm saying people that have already identified as libertarians are not joining the party. And the reason is, and I think this is what you're saying, you're not asking from a philosophical standpoint. You're saying, why are people not becoming libertarians? And I think the answer is because our focus has been wrong.

We talk all the time about what libertarians are gonna do for the wars, what we're going to do for healthcare, what we're going to do in DC and with the Federal Reserve, and those are good things to talk about. But long before the vast majority of people who actually decide who is in office decide to give us a shot, they wanna see how we're going to deal with things in their backyard.

I'm trying to talk about it. No, and I know you are. And the reason that I, coming out of the campaign, the reason that I started you are the powers, because we're doing exactly that, localized grassroots single issue activism. Show people what libertarianism looks like as policy, how it actually looks like in practice

instead of these great theories. I can come in here and sell you the best idea possible, but if it never happens, then it makes just as much sense for me to say You know the way we're gonna deal with China is by me throwing magic thunderbolts at them And then that'll fix it with the likelihood of us winning the presidency right now I might as well give that answer It makes more sense for our main focus to be on where we're actually already winning sometimes despite ourselves

Which is at the local level which grows us as a party? It shows people that we aren't this, you know, utopian pipe dream. It's actual common sense feasible things that can be done, and we can build up from there. And we build the infrastructure, because not only when the rock converts to libertarianism, will he be able to win because we have the structure in place, but he'll want to win the first place instead of just joining one of the other parties and trying to change it from the inside, which never happens. That's a scam there, but the reason that they would do that is because right now we don't

have much to offer them. So we have to build from the ground up. And if we don't do that, then we're going to be here 50 years later talking about in theory how ending the federal reserve would end our 400% inflation rate. In 2018 after I won ballot access and party status for my for my party libertarian party in New York I cross the state again in 2019 after I lost but I by the way to your point There were 7,000 registered libertarians in New York state in 2018. I got a hundred thousand votes Yeah, he's a prototype of what I'm talking about exactly. That's why I'm exactly what he said

So then after that cross the state again and in 2019 we had a hundred and seven victories at local level We are from zero libertarians to 107 in one year. And then the state afterwards decided, oh yeah, we're gonna change the rules on how you can get in the ballot. So now we couldn't get in the ballot anymore. And you might say, what does that mean? Most people don't realize getting on the ballot,

just being on a ballot so you can have a choice to vote for me, cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, takes massive amount of people going about. You came in the ballot. When the people in Dependence came to me with tons of money and said, Larry, takes massive amount of people going about. You came into ballot. When the people in dependence came to me with tons of money and said, Larry, we want to run as independent in 2022. People ask me, I was 22, 22, 20, I'm sorry, 2020, we want to run independent.

I said, great, you're going to have to have $40 million and you probably won't be able to get an offer these states. They're like, what? So yeah, well, we have that money. I know you can raise $50 million, but you can't get through the red tape to be on every single ballot in 50 states. Just run the battalion, we've already done that already. They're like, well, we're gonna run independent.

You can't, if you could run independent, there'd be a president Bloomberg right now. It's impossible. Ballot access is one of our biggest issues. Why I run to gain ballot access so people can't on the ballot and we just got hammered again in New York state. Now I got to get 45,000 signatures in six weeks gain ballot access so people can't on the ballot and we just got hammered again in New York State.

Now I got to get 45,000 signatures in six weeks and they just made new laws that destroyed our local congressional districts. So now Congress people can't even get on the ballot independent because there's no congressional district. Let me ask you, let me tell me who is a major influencer in America today that has libertarian tendencies. Would you put musk in that category or no? No, I put musk in that category, Rogan in that category, absolutely.

I put Drew Carey, who talks to seniors every day in his teaching. Would you put Thiel in that category? Yeah. Thiels in that category, right? I think he's kind of like, he's certainly very interested in libertarianism. I think he kind of is somewhere between a populist and a libertarian. Musk, what would you say Musk is? Musk, I think, is actually a left libertarian. I think so is Rogan. I think both of them are somewhere between a populist and a libertarian. Musk, what would you say Musk is? Musk is actually a left libertarian.

I think so is Rogan. I think both of them are left libertarians. Okay. So who has sat down with these guys to try to get them to start selling the concept of libertarian? Not Rogan, I'm talking Musk. Oh yeah. I mean, Rogan's a joes of good friend of mine, but there's in terms of, I'm trying to work

on him to get Peter Tiel and those guys on board. But I think that, I mean- Those are the guys to do that. Peter Tiel, I believe, donated to Ron Paul's campaign, I believe. So I think he's well aware of these ideas. Also, weirdly enough, Jack Dorsey tweeted out Murray Rothbard article, Man Economy and State, which to me is like the greatest libertarian piece of writing. And he's a big crypto Bitcoin guy.

Yes, he's kind of in that world. But I don't know what his deal is though, like because he's like, now he's like, Elon Musk is right, no one should be kicked off Twitter. And you're like, you know, you were there for a while, man. Yeah, I heard this. Larry brought up Andrew Yang. We had Andrew Yang, what a month ago.

Yeah, he's endorsed me. I'm literally backed by the forward party. Oh my question. Andrew Yang hasn't endorsed me. Yep. He's starting this new forward party. Yeah, okay. That's essentially a competitor.

Yes, it's a libertarian party. No, no, an ally. An ally. It is an ally, 100% because they want to break the duopoly just like we do. 100% allies. Okay, but I'll show you guys. Yeah, we have heating for votes. Well allies. Okay, but as you guys, yeah, we have heating for votes.

And I want, yes, we are committing for votes, but we are allies in crushing do wobbly. That's why he realized you can't, it's hard to run within the party, right? He realized it, a mosque realized it. To see Gabri left Democratic party. I mean, maybe not officially, but in reality she has,

they're all leaving because everybody's a two-partisan doesn't work. That's why we're allies. We are all allies. It's like when the Japanese invaded China, right? They were the Maoists and then they were the Chen Kai-shek people. They got together to fight the Japanese. That's us.

We're together to fight the Empire. That doesn't end very well. It doesn't. It doesn't, but let's hope we change that. We learn from our mistakes. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, isn't what you're saying. So what about the Green Party? We work together. I know how we hawkens. How enemy of my enemy is my friend, is what you're saying. So, what about the green party? We worked together, I know how he Hawkins.

How it was my friend with both Marines. And by the way, how he Hawkins is so far left, we get our guns back, he's actually pro-touet. He's a real socialist. He literally was the socialist party nominee in 2020. And he is my friend and we are absolutely allies. Is there enough room for all these parties that are getting 1%?

If you add them all up, we get, remember, New York State is a plurality state. I don't need 51% of New Yorkers. I need 35% of those who vote. There are 18 million New Yorkers, about 12 million eligible to vote, 10 million registered vote, about 6 million actually vote.

So if I get about 2 million, 2 million vote, I win. So I need about one in eight. I don't even need a majority to an F million votes, I win. So I need about one in eight. I don't even need a majority. One in eight and I'm gonna go. Larry, for the people you were talking off camera, how are the conditions in New York? What's happened in New York the last 10 years? Oh my God. Horrible. New York, we've lost over two million people in the past 11 years to include this guy right here, which makes me angry. But yes, we've lost lots of people

from New York. They all take off and they leave. And they leave because we're too oppressive. Our government is so oppressive that it breaks up families. My mother had to retire and eventually die in South Carolina because she couldn't afford living in New York state. And she left her grandchildren for that. It's terrible. New York State is a basket case where we now have a budget that went from 170 billion to 220 billion

while we're losing millions of people. That math doesn't work. We just keep raising our budget, we just keep making things harder, we keep making more rules and regulations, we keep crushing our families, and then we wonder why. There's some real to tell me

that 1,000 people a day are leaving. If you guys have noticed that you have some much latter, more obnoxious neighbors lately, that's because... Yeah, I know. You see it was on the Wall Street Journal. I showed you the cover of the Wall Street Journal about how my amines are basically up in arms about how much rent has increased.

Florida is red because of New York. Florida used to be a swing state, but we have exported all of our Republican, our Red and Conservative voters to Florida. We made Florida a red state. It was a purple state before New York was born. Well, Jessica, is there any state or less than California? I mean, what's going on there? Oh, no.

I had a question for you about what you think of the recent development about in New York, not even needing to be a citizen to vote. Yeah, they can't do it in federal elections, but they can do it in local elections. That's going to be coming to effect in New York. And it's a terrible idea for many reasons. But one of them is because it's only 30 days, which it just makes it extra bad. So maybe I should go visit so I can come vote for you.

You can, you should show. Right. But yeah, show off in your 30 days or my day. Exactly, just stay for 31 days and you can vote in New York City. That's a city thing, not a state thing, it's a city thing. Can we go to the next topic, borders, libertarian,

come on borders. I talk to Joe by borders, okay? You know, let people, borders. So I talked to Joe Bob Borders, okay? You know, let people come in. You know, don't worry about it. We don't have to worry about it. What is your position when it comes onto the borders? Oh, yeah. So I have a very different outlook on borders

that there's a big divide. There's been a big split amongst libertarians. I'm not an open borders guy. I don't believe that that's the correct libertarian position. My thing is that like in the philosophical abstract, I don't think that anybody inherently has a right to go some to an area that they don't own or are not invited to. And so I think that probably my ideal situation under the current paradigm would be something like a sponsorship system and invitee

system where you basically have to get an American citizen to vouch for you and financially kind of, you know, like back you in order to come into the country. I don't think that just robes of people showing up have some inherent right to be here because they decided they wanted to. But the current system is bait is insane. I mean, we basically, we subsidize, the taxpayers force to subsidize immigration and then the taxpayers force to subsidize the war on immigration and then just everything about it is madness. So the number one thing is that you end the war on drugs. You roll back as much of the welfare state as you can.

This way you're not subsidizing people to come in and you cut down on the black markets and the smuggling and all of that stuff. And all of the interventions in Latin America and all of the D.E.A. operations there where we prop up the cartels that makes life miserable for people in those countries and leads to more floods of immigration. I'd like to take more steps like that, but I am not on the Joe George and send an idea of like just I think the idea that under current situation just opening the borders tomorrow. Did you like Trump's idea of a border? I've always had the the kind of Ron Paul conspiratorial skepticism that I don't like the idea of building walls. I think they could be used to keep us in and I like

I don't like walls on kind of I think really bad be used to keep us in. And I don't like walls on kind of, I think really bad governments tend to build walls. And I don't like that. But I do think that it was reasonable that Donald Trump stood up for tens of millions of Americans who were like, look, we do not like that we have no say in who comes into our country.

I think that's a reasonable position. For those people, I don't think it makes them evil racists for feeling that way. You can have vibrant immigration and security borders. And this is the policy what we should be doing. We've talked about it for literally six years. You build two Ellis Islands on a southern border. One may be in Texas, maybe one in California.

These two Ellis Islands are controlled by two separate companies and the companies are private companies and they're basically recruiting companies. If you want to come to a country, you go to only Ellis Islands. What you do, you go there and they put you in quarantine or give you your check-ins, whatever they do, they check you out. If you are okay, they give you an orange card in any state of degrees that once you part of this thing, they send you off to that state to go work. We know that you're working in that state.

You check in every two years. While you're there, you are not allowed to take any public assistance at all and you pay your taxes. So you do. You just check in every two years. While you're there, you are not allowed to take any public assistance. At all, and you pay your taxes, all you do. You just check in. If you don't check in in two years, we come get you. We know where you are, we come get you. If you do check in as long as that isn't good, keep going, another two years, you keep going. Now, how do you pay for that?

We don't pay for that. They do. There's a model that's already working. It's called recruiting companies. Recruiters get paid as they place people. Right now, farms, people in the hospitality industry, restaurants and industries are spending billions of dollars It's called recruiting companies recruiters get paid as they place people right now farms People in the house tally industry restaurants industries are spending billions of dollars in the black market to get labor Well, don't spend in the black market just pay these guys. They'll get you workers as much as you want now What up the people you say well women? They're still bad people. Yes, they won't go to the Ellis Islands

They'll be on loan the border That's what you use Border Patrol for to get the bad guys This with the only people starving the deserts aren't innocent families. They're bad guys who are doing bad things. I don't want anyone to stop in a desert. But if anyone's going to stop in a desert, let it be them. And our Border Patrol, without having to raise any extra money, is now focused only on that.

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But it's a bigger piece of that. There's giver take 10 to 12 million people in America right now who undocumented. We don't know what they're doing where they are. They can go to the Ellis Island too. They can pack up and just go, they're gonna go, you know what, I'm gonna become legal.

Great, go to the Ellis Island, spend your 30 days, get checked out, you're good, go back to work, work legally. When they go back, all of a sudden the rest of people in the community go, huh, so you didn't get deported? No, I did my paperwork. I paid my taxes. I don't take, I don't take any, any, you know, public assistance. They're going to start going to which makes law enforcement's job easier. There are bad people who come across the border in our country. We can't get them. They're all in enclaves right now. And then when scared to say where bad Pablo is.

But if all of a sudden they're legal, they can call the cops. Where's bad Pablo? Right there! Does he even go get him cops? I'm not getting deported. He can't blackmail me anymore. So now, law enforcement was gonna do the job.

You will watch the undocumented population shrink over the course of 10 years, because most will just go get documented, and the bad guys will get caught. This is an actual system that can work, and we can build more of them as many as people want, build a bunch of them if people want to, doesn't matter. But here's the best part. If you do that, you now can make a private company authorized to now give things like green

cards, right? Say over 10 years or whatever, take a test or whatever, whatever rules you want. They can start doing that process through that. What do you have to speak English or whatever's the rules you create those rules Well, that doesn't affect anybody in line for the government in fact eventually the government will probably worse People start going to that instead of going through the government will save money because more people will go to Rosela Silence then go through the government system This is an actual libertarian solution the markets is stepped in we don't raise any extra money

Norwich attacks is everyone gets better service and law enforcement is assisted. And if you couple that with what Dave was saying, ending the main reasons for these massive surges to begin with, which is the DEA and the CIA and other government agencies through the war on drugs, sponsoring the US sponsored cartels to fight against the Russia and China sponsored cartels so that they can take over this country and massacre anyone that didn't vote for their candidates. That's why they're fleeing. That's why you have, I mean, think of the Sophie's choice situation that so many people

they are making, where they're sending their children off with smugglers. They don't know knowing the likelihood of them getting raped, them being sex traffic, them getting up in one of these cages. I'm sorry, Joe Biden's president now, these shelters. They're not okay. They're not okay. They stop being cages January of 21. But they're doing that because they know the likelihood of them staying there is almost

100% that they'll be killed. That's the kind of problems that are being caused by the war on drugs. When you end that, a lot of these surges aren't happening. And now whatever system we use, whether it's through sponsorship, whether it's through more of an Ellis Island style system, whatever it is, you're not going to be managing all of the people that are coming here. The current system we have now, the war on drugs and the war on migration, have led to both a bunch of people who are just trying to flee violence in cages or being separated

from their families, which by the way is costing the taxpayer anywhere between five and eight hundred dollars per day per person. Many of them spend months in there. I mean, you want to talk about a welfare system that costs far more than any welfare system, right? You've got that going on. You've got this major impediment to the flow of goods and services and people across the borders.

And, to your point about, uh, uh, uh, walls being used the other way, increasingly traffic into Mexico is being stopped by Border Patrol agents for national security and drug control reasons. It's for control. It's another way to skim, right? But so that's happening. And in the midst of all that, there are still millions of people here illegally, including MS-13 members and all the worst scary people.

And also a lot of people that aren't. They just, there is no legal process for them to come here so they came here illegally. If you focus on, if you allow people to come and you have a more expedited system, then now law enforcement can focus on actual bad guys, like Larry and Dave Boat said, and I can speak on this as someone who, my wife, when we got married,

I was her sponsor to come here. The process we went through, that cost thousands of dollars, did absolutely nothing, had my wife been a terrorist or whatever else, nothing they did would have stopped her from coming in. They asked her, are you a terrorist?

No. Okay, are you a communist? No. They asked her if she was a Nazi, my wife is black and I'm Jewish. She told them that. Okay, just, you know, we're talking about you. We're talking about do something. What was her answer? You're good. I'll told them that. Okay, just, you know, we're talking about, we're talking about

do something. What was her answer? I'll get to that. I'll get to that. I'm trying to create a cliffhanger here. Okay. Listen, I know how to build up a story. So they asked her if she's a Nazi. She said, I'm black. My husband is Jewish. Do you know what the response of the people who we have put in charge or our government has put in charge of protecting us? Well, man, your husband could be a Nazi if you wanted to. He's an American citizen. These are the people when we're saying we need to protect ourselves from the bad guy. This guy heard, I'm black and my husband's Jewish.

And somehow that made him think, well, I get what he could be a Nazi if you wanted to. These are not, we're not sending our best. Okay. When it comes to us, they're not sending our best and brightest. This is another government program and government programs. Don't do a good job at fixing this. We fix this by dealing with the government interventions that have made this worse,

and then whatever is left, we can deal with that through market, through sponsorships, through a private Ellis Island system, whatever, but do it in a way that now it's not this massive, crisis surge, you don't have this humanitarian crisis on the border, you don't have children in in cages you don't have millions of people here illegally including uh... gang members and everything else and if there's any shot that

they have of stopping bad guys from getting in here it's gonna be from them focusing on the people are the most likely to be the bad guys because coming here for the right reasons is easy and able to be done you guys are in the same page on the stop border more or less like we have we have slight differences probably between So you guys are on the same page on the stop. Borderless. For the most part. Like we have slight differences probably between all three of us, but I do think that really like what we'd all probably agree on is that right at the heart of this is a war on drugs issue.

I mean the major problem that you have at the border is the gang element of it, the criminal element of it, the drugs that are being smuggled in in the crime that's associated with that. And much like, you know, when we tried a prohibition that all of a sudden it was like there was this criminal gang mob element that rose up with it. Now, after repealing prohibition, the murder rate dramatically fell. The crime rate dramatically fell. Now, alcohol still is a problem.

I mean, alcohol isn't great, and there are people who abuse it, there are people who ruin their lives over it. It's absolutely over it, there are people who are very violent when they're on it, it's, it's relate, like there's a bunch of problems with it, but you don't have the gang criminal problem still associated with alcohol because it's legalized. And likewise, that would happen with these other drugs as well. That doesn't mean there's no problems associated with it. You know, like everything in life is trade-offs. There's costs and benefits to everything. It's just that the costs are far worse

of black markets and prohibition than they are of legalization. Which government institution, like where does the government get things right? That's a tough one. When it fails to intervene. I wanna say something here. If, when it comes to government, like would this be border patrols that are working for the government? Is this who would be on the

board? So you need the border patrol. That's the government agency. Yeah, I'm not saying we you heard me say I'm not about abolish everything immediately. I'm about create institutions that are private and community to give the support we need. Then government institutions will either get better, I can't see how, but they might, or they'll begin to go away because of community people step up. We have to step up.

Correct, something better will step up, but we have to create an environment. As long as government monopolizes everything, we're not able to have community support. And then that's my issue. If we set, this is why I like the Elbos Island private idea, because events, what will happen, immigration could be controlled by privatized companies who know what they're doing, compete against

each other to make sure they do things right. We won't require a government image, they'll want to patrol their own, they'll begin to do this on their own if we create the right environment. The problem I have is most people want a 30 second, 10 second solution that's magical. These are his systemic issues that will take 10 years to repair, but we've got to set them all in motion. That's the key. Government is driven by a high time preference

that they have helped to create. They have helped through government schooling to teach everyone that there's this terrible thing that's happening because we're letting you do this. We're not going to let you do it anymore. We have a magic fix, It's going to fix it. Oops, that didn't fix it. It made it worse. We need more control. And it's an endless cycle. We saw this with COVID. We've seen this with terrorism. We've seen it with everything.

Now, the problem is, if you don't have something to replace it with, then ultimately it's either this or nothing. Now, sometimes nothing's better, but there's something better than nothing, which is something that would actually fix that problem. Perfect example, Bitcoin, cryptocurrency. How much easier is it us for us to sell people on ending central banking because there's something already in place? If there wasn't, and they said,

well, what are you gonna replace the federal reserve with? Well, it's gonna work out the market, it'll fix it. That, to stain that to the average person, you're basically saying to them, or what they hear is, I don't really care. I care more about my ideas than your well-being, and I'm super smart, and I'm trying to tell you that. That's what the market will fix this sounds like.

You have the market at... If the market can fix this, then let's use the market to fix it, which is why again, we need to focus more on, okay, identifying the problem. Okay, here's the problem, and here's how it was created, or made worse by government. But then also, here is a solution that is outside of government. So that government now, to Larry's point, can either compete with that or just not do it anymore. Let's talk about what government is for a second. Government is at its core a monopoly that is enforced with violence financed by theft. Now, whatever, whether you think government's necessary,

not necessary, whether you can, whatever you consider yourself, let's just take a step back on what government actually is. Now, let's ask this question. If you were going to come up with the best way to provide a service, would you settle on a monopoly that is financed by theft and enforced by, is that where you'd like to get your chicken sandwiches from?

Is that where you'd like to get your healthcare from? is that where you'd like to get your healthcare from, is that where you'd like to get different things that you need from a company that can do whatever it wants to you and does not have to provide you with any value and the only reason that you're even using them in the first place is because you have no other option and they will punish you if you don't know. But we also can't say, well, we don't need government,

we can just do it ourselves. We have to actually do it ourselves and provide actual feasible solutions and when possible with borders, not so much you'd have to actually have government policy to bring in things like the Ellis Island or whatever. But outside of that, like for example, cryptocurrency, the blockchain, mutual aid working together on the ground, you can actually come up with real feasible solutions that work. So that instead of me having to have this long, high-minded philosophical first principles discussion about how libertarianism is going to work, I can just say this, that fixed it.

It's literally what I'm doing. It's why every time you ask me a question, I will give you a policy. You may not have liked my answer, but I gave you an answer every single time. I didn't fall back to ideology, didn't fall back to concepts. I said, we will do this every single time. That's why people are following me, because I give them actual answers. At the end of Joe Rogan's show,

if anyone watches it, by the way, episode 1167, if anyone happens to just want to watch it. At the end of that episode, he said, Larry, I love your ideas. When they come from, I said, well, me and my team, we put them together, we put policies together.

He goes, you better lock those things down. I said, why? He said, people will take them. I said, Larry, I love your ideas, where they come from. I said, well, me and my team, we put them together, we put policies together. He goes, you better lock those things down. I said, why? He said, people will take them. I said, take them. I don't have to run them. I can go back to my business. Take it, fix the country, fix my state. I'll go home, I don't have to do this.

I got stuff to do, I got a family, I got friends. I'll go do that instead. So I'm about policy. That's what I'm all about. If we have better policies, people to your point will just go, yeah, that makes sense. Spicy keep that. Larry Davies.

2024. Who would you like to see be the leading candidate or the nominee for a libertarian party representing the libertarian party? No, I'm kidding. No, I really think we need something. You brought it back. You said, don't say the name. I was teasing. She heard it though. Because she's watching. Don't you say that name? Her team is coming after you. I happen to agree with the idea of somebody popular.

That to me matters tremendously. Somebody popular. Do you have a name? I would take someone like a Drew Care because he know he's, he talks to all the people who vote. His audience is literally voters, right? He does the, the price is right, Joe, right? And they're all like retired seniors. So that's good because they vote for him because they know him. But anybody popular I'm good with.

That's what I want. Someone who is popular. I'm in. Okay. They someone really great. So I don't have to do it. It would be good. Maybe the rock. Do you have anyone got a number here? Would you would you would you consider it? Because I know they're throwing your name in there constantly. Yeah. Well, I have a lot of people in my camp within the libertarian world who want me to do it. And I've kind of been open in saying that I consider doing it. But like if there was, like kind of the spirit of what Larry said, I really love my career. I really love my family. I got two little kids.

If someone else could do a really great job at it, that'd be awesome. I'd be happy to do that. But I do think that we have, the reason why i joined the libertarian party is because i think this party is a real opportunity particularly in the current political landscape in america and it's been frustrating to me to watch the presidential candidates get this group golden opportunity to really i'm not saying they could win the presidency obviously that's where where many steps off from that but to really I'm not saying they could win the presidency obviously that's where where many steps off from that

But to really change the narrative force the other two parties to have to talk about the issues that we care about open up tens of millions of Americans minds to a whole different way to look at how we organize a society legally and politically I've seen that opportunity and I feel like I know what they should be doing with that opportunity and If no one else is going to do it, then I probably. How old are you? I would support him. I'm 39, so I'd be 42, 41. Yeah, he's popular.

I would support him too. And the one who's popular, I want to support him. And I don't need that. He sells it very well. I need someone who's a libertarian, obviously. That should be, I mean, libertarian. You've got to be libertarians. Yes.

And popular. If you're libertarian and popular, I'm in. So question, do you have anybody you'd like to see? Peter Thiel. Peter Thiel. I don't know if he would do that. I think he's more of a, I don't know if he's a candidate type. I think he's more the guy you wanna,

he's a candidate. He's behind a close-up. Did you wanna go? Yeah, so if you had to pick the four people that are asked the most if they're gonna run for the nomination, it's the three of us and just Namoche. But likely, I would think, I don't think I'm missing anyone there. four people that are asked the most if they're gonna run for the nominating. It's the three of us and just Namaash. But likely, I would think,

I don't think I'm missing anyone there. And what I say when I'm asked that is that, pretty much a lot of the things that they've said that it needs to be someone who is able to excite people who is able to demonstrate that they actually can do things and provide solutions, someone that is an actual libertarian, I think that is obviously important.

And someone who is popular and has a magnetic personality and can bring people in. I also say that I don't even really care right now who our nominee is. Right now we are talking about who the next person is to go and score the margin of error. The reason I started you were the power is because I want one day for our presidential candidate

in 2428, whenever, whether it's one of us or someone way better than us to actually have a shot of winning. And in the meantime, before we get to this utopian future, where libertarians take over the world and leave everyone alone, that's something we like to say, is actually show how, actually help people now. There are people suffering under the abuses and excesses of government from the federal level all the way down to the local level, which is actually where most tyranny happens

as your city council, your county council, your state government. Now, help them now. Build coalitions with people now, bring them into the movement now. I am like these two. I've been retired since 2017. I'd like to go back to being retired.

I say I'm retired now, it just means I don't get paid. I do way more now than I did when I was working full time when I had my businesses. But I would like to go back and enjoy retirement, spend time with my wife. Two young to be retired. We got a bunch of tech. I'm thirty-nine two. Oh dude, you're too young to be retired, right? We got to put that talent to use for thirty more years. You can enjoy the time with your family. I'm a real man here.

Oh my God. But here's the thing, I would like to from a from a political standpoint, not have to do this because we have built something up that someone way more popular than any of us is involved. You know what I like to say? You know what I like to see happen. Here's what I like to see happen. Folks, if you're watching this, you're a libertarian. Go-tack musk, non-stop today, okay, with this.

I'd love to see a meeting between the main voices of libertarians with Rogan and Musk. Just sit down and let Musk destroy you guys in any questions he's going to ask you. And then if he gets to a point where he says, this shit makes sense. Then for him to go and do what he did with the trolling stuff with Dogecoin and Bitcoin and crypto and all this other stuff, all of a sudden, everybody's talking about it. Next thing, you know, you got a bigger platform the next time you're running, but if you got those two guys back and you up, it's big. The other thing I think that another person that may be a, I know you keep talking about

Drew Carey, I, I, I, I, I, there's something special about Vince Vaughan. Him too. He is a very, very, very, I don't know how interested he was in like really being like the the kind of the purchase business yet but but he is but i agree with you completely i i also think that right now there's a really unique thing that's going on that's really revolutionary that i'm not sure any of us exactly understand even those of us who are kind of in the world but shows like this and like rogan and timle and like a whole bunch of

these other shows that are like really popular, like far more people are watching this than are watching the traditional corporate press. And there's this kind of network of all of these people where a lot of really powerful, wealthy, really influential people are listening to these shows. There's something there where libertarians now we used to complain for years that we were kind of denied access. They wouldn't have Ron Paul on CNN, they'd black him out and all this. Now we have this whole alternative, like outlets where we can get on and talk about the ideas

we want to talk about and we've really got to be good at utilizing that. That's why that's a lot of like my focus. The Bitcoining of media. Yeah, the fact that we can get on here and talk whatever the hell we want to say. And I'd have to deal with the corporate overlords that are condemning what you're saying. And if you get on CNN, which I've been on CNN and Fox News in these plays before, it's ridiculous.

You get like 90 seconds maybe to answer a complex problem. You get three hours here. Yeah, you sit down and you talk to a guy. I don't know if you noticed that. I had to step out. But I want to bring up something important. You mentioned when I come out of the running. You're running.

And I'm going to be selfish for a moment. I'm running in New York state this year. We should be more worried about people running this year because the impact we make this year is going to affect 2024. I'm in New York state. If I just come in a tight third, people will notice me. I come in second and beat the Republican

because my state's three to one Democrat Republican, right? So Republicans never gonna win. The question is who comes in second, right? So if I come in second, that rocks my state. My state becomes a multi-party democracy overnight. Changes everything. If I win with 35% of vote, New York State goes from blue to gold. That changes the entire nation.

Let me ask you, Todd, overnight. Let me ask you, let me ask you, crazy question here. Which policies, which philosophy makes more sense? Libertarian or socialism? Let me ask the question, let me ask, let me ask, let me ask, question in a different way. What is a more marketable philosophy to sell, libertarian or social? 100% it's a great point.

Generally speaking, the left does very well with socialism because it sounds great, the rhetoric is amazing. Rich people suck, let's think, you know, tax the rig, tax the rig. We're all gonna be happy, we're all gonna, it's all gonna be fair. Explain what all the other people are saying. I mean, how's your perspective over there?

It sounds amazing, so they're right. When it comes to rhetoric, the socialists are very good at that They're good at saying everyone's gonna be fair. Everyone's gonna be safe Everything all the rich and it feels good. I think it does go well Which is why you don't hear me talk about libertarianism. I talk about solutions only just solutions I want the person in front of me to go oh oh, if they're Republican, you're Republican. If they're Democrat, you're Democrat. That's what I want them to do.

I don't push philosophy. He didn't give me push philosophy here. All I talk about is here's my solution. I'm a candidate. A candidate has to have... They ask you question, are you Republican or Democrat? What do you say? I would say independent, libertarian.

Independent, libertarian is your answer. That's what I say. How much doorknocking are you doing? Me person, Not that much I'm not shaking hands. I'm not knocking indoors. I'm out in events little amount of events are you doing how many events are you doing? Just I'm not absolutely when I go back. I'll do three tomorrow Two on Sunday. I'm two on Saturday three on Sunday So far none's good for Monday, but I do probably 15 a week

Give it a week give 15 events a week. Give a take. And the average audience is what? How many people are in here? Low end I'll get three or four high and I'll get a couple hundred. Okay, got it. So you're on your your hustling. You're going you're going out the hustle.

I'm going to have to do your part. Okay. I've got to get 45,000 signatures that are legal, which means I forget 60,000 signatures. Yeah, I understand. So you transition the where I was going and you brought it more to present today, which as a great marketer, that means you're good at doing that as well, that's good. What I will say is the following,

but you also about an hour and a half ago, you said, in order for me to do this, I gotta get registered, and I need this much money to be able to do this, this, this, this, that, okay, great. If I am hustling today, I would be so proactive to get in front of five influencers, to get them to put up money and say, okay, great, guess what?

Here's 10 million bucks. Here's 20 million bucks. Come on, it's two things, I can. And I'm talking an influencer, and I understand what you're saying, because it's federal, this is more state, so you have to go, but if that guy does it on the national level, the local people are now saying, so now your

presentation becomes, you guys see, Rob, we'll must it. What? Here's what must it. No way. Seriously? Yeah. Here's what. Shit.

I mean, okay, what do we need? Here's what we need to do. We need to get a more new year. Yes. What you're saying, I'm literally doing. Andrew Yang endorsed me, right? So I am getting bigger features to do. But the problem is, most people aren't backing me yet, you know why? They getting bigger features to do, but the problem is most people aren't back at me

yet, you know why? They don't think I can get in the ballot. So why in the world would you back me through money? And I've already raised six figures, like I've already raised six figures already. So I'm already raising money. So I do raise money. But why would you, if I go, hey, Patrick, give me $40,000

and you go, why, you're not coming in the ballot? You're right, I gotta get in the ballot first. When I get in the ballot and you go, oh, you're gonna be in the ballot, okay Larry,. I gotta get in the ballot first. When I get in the ballot, and you go, oh, you're gonna be in the ballot. Okay, Larry, let me write your check. But there's also amount of money I can give. I've got to create a pack then, if I want to get more than $40,000.

So there's limitations on how much money I can take. My average donation in 2018 was $85. I raised half a million dollars, and my average donation was $85. So what's that number? 85 times half a million. How many people love it? I don't know how much that is. It's like, it's $1,000 would be $85,000. So 10's that number? 85 times half a million. How many people love it? I don't know how much that is.

It's a thousand would be $85,000. So 10,000 would be 850. So you have like 7,000, 7,000 people. But I had a couple of big heavy hitters. I had a couple of those who gave me like 30, 20. It doesn't matter, but you got 6,000. So some of them give you five bucks. 10 bucks, which is great.

Did you guys see what happened with Musk with the Fed yesterday in Twitter? Did you guys read that story or no? I did. The Fed Fed investigating Elon Musk. Oh yeah, I is it? The Fed, Fed investigating Elon Musk. Oh yeah, I heard about this. Fed open investigation into Elon Musk. If you make it a little bit bigger to read it,

US government has reportedly opened investigation to Musk's business dealing surrounding his recent 44 billion out of purchase of Twitter. The SEC is probing Musk's tardy submission of public that investors must file when they buy more than 5% of a company shares. The disclosure functions as an early sign to shareholders and companies that a significant investor could seek to control or influence

a company. So he was late 10 days which move believed to save $140 million because the price could have been higher. If the public knew about his ownership 5% of the company, the case is easy. It's straightforward. Danny, the University of Pennsylvania accountant professor said, but whether they're going to pick that battle with Elon is another question.

So you're already seeing how scared people are of this guy owning Twitter. They're losing, go to associate press yesterday, I don't know if you guys saw what AP said yesterday about Musk with, pull that up about the fact that here's Elon Musk who is fighting for freedom of speech, but at the same time, he was a person that targeted, no, not targeted. He's attacked a lot of people on Twitter.

And do you want that guy to be the leader of it? It doesn't even make sense. Go to Twitter. The idea that that's a contradiction, that he's like, look, this guy believes you should be able to say whatever you want on Twitter. But also, he says whatever he wants on Twitter it's like there's no contradiction there they're just look everybody's freaking out because basically what happened with the the rise of the internet and

social media is that the establishment lost their monopoly on information and this is why they were all freaking out for years and this culminated in Donald Trump being elected president in 2016 worth it with the entire corporate press was telling you you're not allowed to support this guy and then sixty three million americans were like now we're going to and so the response to it then was that they the congress hold all the heads of the social media companies in front of congress explicitly threatened them that if they didn't crack down on fake news and hate

speech they were going to regulate them and all of this. They basically got them to all roll over and this led to like this kind of censorship regime on social media where basically people get kicked off. And this was really useful to them during the COVID stuff. I mean, all of the doctors who were like against the lockdowns and against the mandates at challenging the vaccines, they all got banned. We had Robert Malone on and Paul McCullough. And these guys, and then of course they went after Rogan

when he had Marlonon, like he's always spreading information. He's always misinformation. So now you have this guy, the richest man in the world who's saying, well I'm gonna buy, maybe not the biggest, but certainly one of the most influential social media companies, and I'm saying no, no more of these rules, so they're all freaking out about it.

But it got announced right after when he first bought into Twitter that they were looking at investigating Tesla. Now they're looking at investigating this deal. Yeah, now the federal government's going to crack down on him because he's committing the crime of threatening to allow American citizens to communicate with each other. It's really fun to think about it. Bob, that's a tweet right there. If you pull it down a little bit so they can see the logo

above, Elon Musk boasts that he's acquiring Twitter to defend freedom of speech, but he has long used the platform to attack, attack those who disagree with him. Yes, no, that would be an example of people saying what they want. Yeah. Like what Dave said.

This is a, again, a symptom of a much bigger problem, which is that government has been using corporations to control what people can say so that they have some degree of separation. Oh, we're not censoring you. It's a private company that's doing it. Well now here's someone saying, okay, I'm going to buy the private company. They're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you can only do that if you do what we say that you do. Well, that means government's controlling it. And taking even further step back, this is in big tech, this is a marriage of the state

of government and big businesses. That's fascism. That's literal. That is, you know, if fascism gets thrown around a lot, fascism is when truckers, right? Like fascism is everything now. Fascism is, you know, disagreeing with the status quo. Fascism actually, in many cases, is the status quo. And certainly when it comes to big tech, you have a small handful of companies that in exchange

for doing what the government says, they get the car vouts, they get the subsidies, they get the licensing, the permitting, and all of that, because there's such a high barrier to entry that was created by the crony class. This is a perfect example. We are all hinging on whether one person can buy one platform to finally let us speak to each other on the internet because there's not decentralization because government did that. And then any time, even this was either earlier, no, last year or no, it was last year, that

Mark Zuckerberg, who for the most part, has gone along with whatever government has said on, you know, terms of service and community standards and all of that, but apparently wasn't being quite strong enough on, you know, people being skeptic about, you know, the vaccine mandates. And so Joe Biden and Jen Psaki basically just both came straight out and said, yeah, no, he's killing people,

people are gonna die if he doesn't do this. That is the, Well, and Joe Biden is president because Twitter censored the hunter Biden laptop. No, I mean that was only was a big part that was a big deal and and that's Two weeks ago, but that's right And that's the other thing that gets like so lost as they're creating this Ministry of Information or whatever at the Department of Homeland Security here is that on so many of these issues the apartment of Homeland Security here is that on so many of these issues, the censoring side, which has always represented the powerful, has been wrong.

I mean, like the most dangerous COVID misinformation that was spread over the last two years was prob, I mean, if I had to pick two that were clearly the most damaging pieces of misinformation that were spread, one was that lockdowns contained the spread of the virus. That destroyed the lives of tens of millions of Americans because they believed this policy or claimed to believe this policy would mitigate the spread of the virus. It did nothing to mitigate the spread. And number two was the Fauciites saying that if you got the vaccine, you couldn't contract or spread COVID.

I mean, if you want to talk about what actually to people's right, how many people got two doses of the vaccine and then we're like, oh, I can't get this now because I've seen Fauci tell me I can't get this. Oh, I got the sniffles, you know, but it can't be COVID because there's no, you know, I can't get that anymore. So I'm gonna go see my grandmother or whatever. The most dangerous misinformation didn't come from Joe Rogan

telling young 25 year olds to be as healthy as they possibly can. Like that's who, and then the people who spread that misinformation have the nerve to go after him for saying stuff like that. So the people who were censored were the ones telling the truth. The post story is a great example. Whatever you think of that Hunter Biden story, it was real. It was obvious at the time it was real. And the people who were telling the truth about vaccines and lockdowns and mandates,

they all got silence in the one spreading the most dangerous misinformation were elevated by the establishment. It's very interesting. You're gonna have to pull up the hundred Biden stories since we're on it just to kind of bring it up. So the audience sees what happened. This is from Washington Examiner,

Hunter Biden and DOJ could reach settlement for significant fine, the federal investigation to under Biden in the pre-ears to be coming to ahead the justice department is expected to make a final decision on whether uh... bring criminal or civil charges or try to reach a settlement that could include a significant fine in the coming months at the report which uh...

noted that allize at a president prefer a settlement if prosecutors want to press charges against this fifty two year or so whatever the decision is, Attorney General Merrick, Garland will have the final say. The rest of the report focused on Kevin Moore, the prominent Hollywood attorney, who lent more than $2 million to Biden that went to paying back taxes and supporting his family as well as some... This could turn very ugly for these guys. This is starting to come out here and it's not going to be too pretty, but it depends

on who is... I don't know if you saw yesterday, I got a message from James O'Kee from Project Veritas. Did you see who they had them? Buistleblower from FBI? Did you guys see the FBI whistleblower last night at 11 o'clock? No, this I meant.

Crazy. So it's an FBI agent who's the whistleblower and they put the screen on them and it's black that you can't tell who he's wearing a hoodie because he does one who it is and the voice is all distorted. But he's wearing a hoodie because he does one who it is and the voices all distorted But he's talking about what their model is. He's talking about how why they came after you James Why they're going after different organizations

Even though that's not the job of the FBI, but now they're targeting people and we would talk about it He's giving the game plan of what happened so an FBI who's an organization that was supposed to be Good for you and I would jade gruver now is bully and regular people just because they're saying something that the government doesn't want you to be. They weren't so good during jade gruvers. Yeah, and they were pressuring private companies to do the bulk of the censoring. And by the way, there's one that's happening right now, and it's through censorship and

disinformation. I think it is eventually going to break and it's going to be something they can't contain. That is a billion times bigger than Hunter Biden and even bigger than the vaccine disinformation and everything else. And I think it's this. We already know that the National Institutes for Health gave money to echo health alliance to do gain of function research at the Wuhan lab in China where they and not just that that in doing so, we know that they created at least one virus that became 10,000 times more deadly than it was when they started with the gain of function research.

And they were using humanized mice, they actually put, I think they graphed human ears on the mice or something like that. They were through something with the genes. Strange look. Yeah, you have to strange look. But they do something with the human, it's got, they call them humanized mice. And it's, it's how they do the gain of function research That now has it where it now can spread to humans and it was 96% similar to COVID to SARS-CoV-2 the virus that causes

COVID-19. Now we know that and what the government's response was is after first blocking it from, you know, for quite some time and saying this In this information, this is a Russian ho hoax whatever they were saying then when it finally came out that it was true they went well but there's no proof that that virus that's 96 percent similar uh... ended up becoming covid okay fair enough i don't really know how that works how big of a gap that four percent is they were making viruses that were strikingly similar to the one that has killed over a million people in the u.s. and millions more around the country in the Wuhan lab, which is where this spread. Now, go even further with that.

When SARS came out, the first SARS, because this is actually the second SARS, when the first SARS came out, no three, the Chinese government leapt to action, the governments around the world leapt to action, and they tried to contain it as much as they could. And out of that, they said, okay, and we're going to put in, we're going to have, you know, a red line or a hot line set up, we're going to make it so that if something like this spreads again, we're going to move even faster. And then when this one came out, they arrested people for saying it was real. They arrested people. They arrested the Chinese doctor. I forget his name. He ended up dying of COVID for saying that this was a new

version of SARS. That's not the action of a government that wants to be sure to contain this new virus and let everyone know about it. I believe, I don't know this, but I believe that eventually the truth will come out that either the US or another government, possibly the Chinese government, possibly the British or some other government through Echo Health Alliance or a company like it did gain a function research in a lab in Wuhan that should not that was not equipped to handle that level of of a Essentially a bio weapon or a virus that virus that they were creating and then it leaked because because it turns out government is inept So you so you agree with the position Trump took to stop travel and all of that from during that time What's COVID was here, it didn't matter anymore. What's COVID is here, the way that it spreads,

it didn't matter anymore. And that was something I said, I think the one time that it might have made sense to do a temporary stop was with Ebola, because Ebola doesn't spread as easily, so it's literally a person giving it to another person who might get it to another person. And so I could hear the argument for that,

even though you can easily screen for Ebola along before they get here. So but regardless with COVID, especially now with these newer variants, but even with the original variant, the alpha variant, whatever it was that came, it originally it's already spread more easily than the flu. So once one person has it here, any kind of mitigation of trying to stop people who might have COVID from, you weren't going to be able to do anything. It was here before. It was here. It was here. It was very hard. Did you guys see the daily wire story about Fauci in Collins? Did you see the royalties, the shared and secret NIH royalties, tolling $350 million? And you see that

between the two of them in a 10-year period they got three hundred fifty million dollars paid out and the report from open the books that comes to the royalty payments included at least twenty three to Fauci and fourteen to his former boss call and so we're paid out between twenty ten and twenty twenty yeah i mean these stories the more and more they come out this guy it's unbelievable yeah and look look fowty was basically the head corporatist chill i mean he was the guy at the national health institute who's making the decisions

who gets grant money you know like he's the kingmaker with tax payer funds of who's gonna get funded in so of course those guys who are going out favors like that are almost always in the situations taking some type of other favor return it i could just tell you watching the guy it's just so obvious the way he's like, well, the answer to everything is you have to consume this pharmaceutical product from these pharmaceutical companies. I don't care what your situation is.

What you had it a month ago and you have natural immunity, no, still need to go get boosted, still need to go get another one. He's supporting, I mean, this whole thing was so obviously a scheme where you're like, wait, so the government is going to mandate that you have to consume a product made by one of these three companies which are granted the intellectual property rights to make them. And then you have to keep buying another and ingesting another one of these products every six months or whatever it is. And then the head doctor, scientist guy is telling you that we support this policy happening,

by the way, it's all funded by taxpayer dollars. So it's free. You know, every one of these jabs is free. And luckily, I do think this is at least falling apart a little bit where now you're seeing the data suggest that like getting this fourth booster gives you like six weeks of protection maybe. And then like what, I mean, this is insane that anyone would follow. By the way, a year ago what you were saying was beyond controversial. Oh, this would insane that anyone would follow. By the way, a year ago, what you were saying was beyond controversial.

Oh, this would have been, you would have been, beyond removed from some of you. Now it's like, yeah, okay. You guys, genuinely, be like, maybe you can't put this episode up. But that was saying this a year ago. But by the way, I was saying this a year ago. Yeah, in my point is, you would have been black ball band.

Shadow band, now you're like, yeah, this guy, Dave's actually, but you were a point when I was wondering earlier. What, what, what COVID did for many people was a lot of the folks, but if you were already big, but if you weren't already big, you were crushed. Because I've been shadow banned like there's no tomorrow. I mean, just my my shadow banning is horrible throughout everything because I was against the mandates.

And the second I said I was against the mandates of a sudden my show goes down to every all my everythings. I stopped growing. In fact, I was against the mandates. All of a sudden my show goes down to every, all my, every things I stopped growing. In fact, I was losing people. I mean, and I'm blue checked. I'm literally a candidate and they just shadowed by me like there's no tomorrow. It's terrible. So what'd you do?

You went to parlor, you went to, I'm on all the things. Now I'm tick-tocking. You tick-talking? And yes, I do everything now because there's no way I can get out rumbling everything. Half of his money, the half a million dollars came from his only fans account. He's right now raising money.

I mean, what a strategic. You know about that. Very impressive. I saw that story. Don't you hate Arnold? Incredible. I, a, a, a year ago, I was threatened with having post-removing and content removed for disinformation, for saying that based on two things,

based on the fact that the data that they were shared, what data they would share with us from the vaccines showed that its efficacy would last anywhere from three to nine months give or take. And the fact that COVID was not going anywhere, this was not, we weren't gonna get COVID zero, this was now an endemic thing. Those two things combined mean

there are going to have to be boosters for COVID. Just saying vaccine booster COVID got me threatened with disinformation. Now, and even before that, saying that there was going to be a vaccine mandate would get you threatened with disinformation. Absolutely. We've been through multiple vaccine mandates

across the country, including where you guys live, and also, and where Jessica lives as well. And then also we, I mean, boosters are now get your booster. You're not really vaccinated if you don't get your booster. Maybe, and I know this might be a tough sell in this crowd, but maybe allowing there to be as many different people adding to the conversation, good and bad might lead to falsehoods being ferreted out through better information. No, maybe, no, hold on, Larry. I know. I know. I know that before the show, I know before the show that you and Dave endorsed AOC.

It's true. It's got to. But in private. But in private. But in private. But. Hear me out. Maybe if we have as many people contributing to the conversation as possible and as many

people being involved in it as possible and as many different sources of information as possible, we might have a better chance of sorting out what's true and what isn't. And maybe the people who are, I know, but maybe the people who are in charge who have a vested interest in protecting specific narratives on every single subject, don't want that to happen. Mm. And it's really, it's hard to even look back to like 2020 and because everything moves so fast

that you almost forget what happened. The enormous propaganda campaign behind Cuomo and Fauci and that everything they were doing was just so noble and beyond question that you just couldn't even have another opinion without being this like evil person who just wanted grandma to die and all of this stuff. But it was also so new and so disruptive.

You didn't really know the answer. It was scary. It's a lot easier to do that now two years later and after we've seen the vaccine, so it was tough at the time. No, it's a lot easier to do that now two years later and after we've seen the, yes, that's true. The vaccine. So it was tough at the time. No, it was. It was very tough. In March 2020, I put on a series of videos, which was, and I still have it, if you go to my YouTube page, you can still find it. It's a series, it says, a little COVID response March 2020. I put out exactly how we should deal with COVID in March 2020. So it wasn't any harder. That was two years ago. That's when it first came out

and I put policies down that will libertarian, that would actually make things better. And we look back now, they weren't perfect. I didn't know everything back then. But without question, everything I said to do would have been better than what we did in New York State.

It's hard to spot if you're not spotting the pattern. And the pattern is crisis happens, either created or made worse by government. Government steps in and says, don't problem, don't, no problem, don't worry about it. We have strong men and we have strong policies and they're going to fix all of this and all you have to do is just obey us. And if you don't obey us or if you even question obeying us, you're a bad person, okay? And then when that utterly fails or continues to make things worse, they go, ah, ah, ah,

what actually happened is that enough of you, you didn't believe hard enough. You didn't follow what we said hard enough. You're out there spreading disinformation and saying things that aren't true. It's your fault, which is why we, or it's their fault. It's not your fault because you're the good person that's listening to us, but it's their fault. The bad people who aren't going along with the program that's going to fix all of this, if you just all listen to it.

Hey, maybe before we wrap up, two topics I'm curious to know what the position is with libertarian. Taxes. So right now we got, you know, put the number between 80 to 120, whether it's our national debt or unpaid or un, you know, Medicare. So put them all together, 80 to 120 trillion dollars that we got. A libertarian person, you become a president in 2024, you win. What happens to our taxes? What do do well i mean uh... i would work to repealing every tax that i possibly could i mean that there's nothing that the the i mean if you're talking about the debt that we have that's one thing the only answer to that is to it is to um...

essentially cut spending and default on what we're going to default on because there's no way we could ever tax ourselves the The $100 trillion in unfunded liabilities that we have coming up over the next few decades. But look, my buddy Scott Horton, who's everyone here knows is a brilliant libertarian. He always puts it this way, right? But if you're thinking about the income tax, imagine we didn't have an income tax,

we didn't have an IRS, and we were just living in like a free country, and the Vladimir Putin invaded, or let's say the Soviet Union invaded and conquered America and they took over, you know, they created the USS IRS. They said, now we have this organization and we have just dictated in this country that producing things is a crime, being a productive member of society is a crime and the punishment is a fee and the punishment is a fee

and the more productive you are, the higher your fee is gonna be and we are suspending the Fifth Amendment, you no longer have the right to not incriminate yourself, you are legally obligated to incriminate yourself every single year, you no longer have the right to privacy, you must give us all of your information and we will look over it, we will ruin your life if we want to, we will destroy families,

lead to suicides, go back 20 years if we want to and demand all of your records. If that was created, we would all very clearly go, we have been taken over by a totalitarian regime. And this is not the way that free people live. It is despicable in a professed free society that we have an IRS or an income tax. I would abolish it as soon as I possibly could and then abolish all other taxes as well.

There's no need for any of this whole system and it doesn't even matter. I mean, look at the way we print money and spend money. It's completely untethered from how much tax revenue we raise. What do you do with the debt you look to China in Japan? Well, I think that there's basically the, whether this happens now or later, we are going to end up defaulting on this debt

in one of several different ways. Now, same like we did with the gold standard, basically. This is what Richard Nixon did when he took us up the gold center. It was a big giant default. We had made a promise that we would redeem our dollars in gold. France was like, we want the gold.

And we were like, no, you can't have it, because we don't have enough, because we printed way more money than we have gold to back it up. Now whether we do this through printing money and just basically saying, we'll pay back the debt, but it'll be, you know, with dollars that are worth much less than they were when you borrowed them. That's a form of default. That default also destroys your own economy in the process.

I think it would be much better off if we were to just acknowledge the reality of the situation, which is that this government is bankrupt, does not have this money, never was in a position where it could pay this money back. The result of that would probably be our national credit rating being tanked, and that people wouldn't lend us money in the future. So we'd have to drastically shrink the size of government. Which all is left.

That's kind of what I'm looking for anyway. The idea that we can pay this money back without destroying the country is insane. To be honest, I don't think the taxpayer owes it. I don't think the taxpayer didn't borrow this money from people. Governments borrowed this money on behalf of the taxpayer. This isn't a true debt like in a private sense where you borrowed money. This is like if you borrowed a whole bunch of money for your children, saying they'll pay back the debt, and then you just bought yourself a bunch of like jets and you know, a bunch of nice boats and stuff like that and tanks. Right. And then they

go, they go, okay, well, does your kid owe that money back? I'd say no, they didn't borrow the money. I don't think you have a right to say the next generation owes this money. Well, and this isn't even, I mean, it's the next generation too, but even the current generation. If I walked in here with a gun and said, great news. You owe all this money that I just ran up, but the good news is I have a new house, new car, new everything. Y'all, it's, I started a war.

But here, you also, you now owe all this money. You don't actually owe that money. I cringe every time I see a politician go, we're America. We pay back our debts. Good, you pay it back. We didn't consent to this. We did not agree to this. We did not sign this.

This is not an actual debt that is owed. Now another question is, okay, but without taxes, how does government fund itself? And the short answer to that is they're going to have to fund themselves. We, everyone else funds themselves voluntarily. If you aren't a government or a criminal organization, and in fact a lot of criminal organizations fund themselves through voluntary commerce, but the ones that don't that are, that are thugs like how government operates, they fund themselves through extortion and protection rackets.

And that's what government does. And surprise, surprise that we don't get the best value out of a protection racket. When someone comes in and says, great place you got here, be ashamed if anything was to happen to it. And then they rob you. government does and surprise surprise that we don't get the best value out of a protection racket. When someone comes in and says, great place you got here, be ashamed if anything was to happen to it. And then they rob you. The end of that story is in that they do a great job protecting you. It's just that they don't break up your store and they keep charging you more and more

so that they don't break up your store. We need to force government to figure out how to get people to want to give money to it. And there are ways to do that. You can have direct fees for services. You can have a voluntary transaction fee, which would basically be a small insurance policy on any transaction you do.

If you want to pay it fine, if you don't find, if you don't pay it, you're not protected. You can't use the courts to sue if something goes bad with that transaction or whatever. And in doing it that way, government will have to make whatever that fee is worth it. No one's going to want to pay 40 or 50% transfer tax, but 5% maybe. So now that forces government to actually live within its means because right now, government

does live within its means. Its means is whatever amount of money it tells the Federal Reserve to run up and lend to it. We need it to live within the means of what we want it to do. And the only way that's ever going to happen is taking away its ability to extort all of us under threat of harm. There's a big problem here, though. Most Americans are happy with taxes. In fact, every time they do polling, no matter what it is, every time a year, whoever runs the polls, you can check one now and laugh you want to. What America's doing about taxes. There's always a chunk of Americans who literally say

we're not taxed enough. So Americans overall are okay with taxes. So we always a chunk of Americans who literally say, we're not taxed enough. So Americans overall are okay with taxes. So we have to change the American psyche on taxes. Absolutely. I think the first step is, believe it or not, simplifying all the tax codes. The number one thing as president I would push is to simplify all the, I have to fight all the accountants, fight all the finance industry, fight all the tax prep people, but simplify the tax codes. You want to fight tax? What would, fight all the tax prep people, but symbol for the tax codes.

You want a very strong, but the tax, what would you want? Flat tax is fine. Everyone pays X percent. You, you, as long as it's zero, I'm cool. Well, that's a joke. That's a joke. No, but the first part is,

that's a wrong Paul line. Joe Jorgencins was, I'm cool with any new tax plan as long as the rate is zero percent. So what, what, but you want to, you want to make sure that the people accept it and people are going to be unhappy

if everyone pays the same rate. It's just how Americans are So you've got to somehow say whatever is the poverty rate say for sake of argument $18,000 so any money up taking thousand dollars is untaxable that makes people who are worried about taxing the poor feel safe After that one dollar after say 18,000 or whatever number I made the number up But say after that is now taxed a flat fee 10% 5% I don't care what the percent is. No matter what, that's the percent.

However you get your money in, that's the percent. Number one, second, I don't want to take money out of paychecks. I want people to write a check for their taxes in April. That's how we collect taxes. I want you to write that check to pay your taxes every year. So you feel it? I already do, it's the average person that gets out of your paycheck. year. So you feel it? I already do. It's the average person that gets on your paycheck.

That's correct. I want you to go, I'm writing a check. Am I getting what I want out of this? What's 10, 90, 90, 90? The business owners do. Yes, that's what we do. You know the crazy thing? Everyone should do that.

That will change. That will change what we do with that talking. Do you know who came up with tax withholding and when he was on his death bed, he was the biggest regret of my life. Milton Friedman is the reason for the reason. He really hated the withholding tax. And he said, it's the biggest mistake.

I made FYI. In 1862, Lincoln said we need money, folks. He went and taxed America. Wasn't a big number. Seven percent. I think it was tears of 3%, 6%, something small number like that. He said, once we pay off the civil war will stop taxes do you think tax a staff? It did nine years later

There was no taxes because we paid it off And then the next time around 1903 all this other time. That's when everything else showed up right? Okay, so that's tax concept Let's go to row we row V weight, right? Oh, that's not controversial Yeah, let's end on some wait a minute Pelosi Pelosi just had a bunch of pro-Borschen people in front of her house. If you can pull that, a pro-Borschen activist are protesting outside of Nancy Pelosi's house accusing her of being complicit and destroying abortion rights.

This is a blaze story where we have with this story at the top, a small group of, small group of protest of demonstration outside of Pelosi's a palatial mansion in San Francisco, California. We're here because Nancy Pelosi and the whole leadership of Democratic Party has been complicit complicit with the fascist Republican party that wants to not only eliminate abortion rights but gay marriage, trans rights, and a whole slew of rights. Said the protest of the protests appeared to be organized by the far left pro-borschen called Ruth sent us that the mean demanded Pelosi investigate a Supreme Court justice in order to save

abortion. So what's the libertarian position on Rovey way? Rovey way. I think by the way, it just reminds me, these crazy protesters turning on Nancy Pelosi, it's like a monster she created that turns on. Do you ever hear when John Kerry, he's on that secret recording where he's talking about the rise of ISIS in Syria. And he's like basically saying, he's like, look, we knew all the weapons and money we were sending in was going to ISIS, but we were gonna use them to put pressure on Assad,

so he'd have to step down. And then they just went into Iraq. And it's like no one told you to do that. And you're like, yeah, I guess you can't control ISIS as well as you thought. You would, yeah, that's a dangerous game to play. But look, I think the immigration and abortion are probably two of the issues where there are a lot of libertarians on different sides. Personally, I'm pro-life, so I'm on that side of that position. So I'm happy with

Rovy Wade being overturned. But I do also think that libertarians could probably at least understand even the pro-choice ones. That when you have an issue like abortion where there is no national consensus, you have tens of millions of people who are on different sides of this issue, and very passionately on different sides of this issue. And then you have one federal edict

out of the Supreme Court that says, this is the law of the land, it doesn't matter what you think in your area. Well, the result of that has been 50 years. 50 years, this has been a white, hot, cultural wedge issue that's never gone away. Then the result of Roe v. Wade being overturned would be that what? The states can make up their own rules. And it's a very, you know, like it's a very difficult issue to solve when one side sees it

as the most fundamental right women have and the other side sees it as murdering babies. Like that's a very difficult bridge to divide. And I don't see any reason why the policy in rural Alabama has to be the same as the policy in Portland or Brooklyn or something like that. I think community should be able to decide for themselves. Larry?

You guys want to skip this one? You see very quiet. You've been very vulgar. I want to let it say a piece. No, I think the reality of it is, if you're going to solve this issue, you have to begin to draw lines. And people don't want to draw lines because you're saying're saying, one part that says, it doesn't matter. No matter what, it's my body, my choice,

up until day before the baby's born. And then the side that says, no, it is murder upon conception. Somehow, there is a consensus. The vast majority of Americans think that Roe v. Wade should not be overturned. That's demonstrable. Most Americans believe it should not be overturned. That's demonstrable. Most Americans believe it should not be overturned.

Most Americans think there should be some limitations on abortion, but an abortion should be legal. That's what most Americans think. Now, in the Libertarian Party, it is very split. You're totally right. I know a lot of Libertarianists who are pro-life, and their point is you're attacking a life,

therefore that's a, that's a grass-shib, you can't do that. We have to draw lines somewhere. That's really the issue. Is that line, therefore that's a, that's a grasship, you can't do that. We have to draw a line somewhere, that's really the issue. Is that line, in my personal view, that line cannot be into the third trimester. It's gotta be before that. But I don't know where that line is to be forward.

You have to draw a line and we draw that line, it's gonna suck for some people. But I think you have to draw a line. Mostly the baby's. Correct, yes, I think you have to draw, do you draw a line at a couple of weeks, a couple of months, you've gotta draw a line somewhere. I think you still have to draw a line.

And when their consensus, I think will probably be by state on how they will draw the line. Some will just say, no, you can't have it except say rape or incest or something. That'll be their line. I think each state is going to draw the wrong line. I think you have to. You see, only what you solve it is by drunk lines. Life begins at conception. The question is when does personhood begin? And that's the problem, even within the libertarian movement.

Really, the argument within the libertarian movement is just a reflection of the argument in society, in America, and in every single, honestly, in many countries, is when does that personhood begin? When is this no longer an extension of the mother, and when is this now an actual, its own human beings that should be, that should be, have its rights protected. I personally consider myself pro-life.

I think that abortion is more often than not, gruesome and regrettable. I think that the talk of it just being this choice, I mean, we're talking about something that otherwise would have become a human being, whether we're talking about at the moment of conception or as it's crowning, but before the actual birth has been completed,

this is something that ultimately would have become a human. And I think that that gets lost on the pro-choice side. What gets lost on the pro-life side is, the war on drugs has created more drug use and empowered cartels to sell drugs, and has the government sponsoring drug cartels. The war on illegal immigration has led to the humanitarian crisis on the border and cartels being empowered and millions of people here illegally, both for good and bad reasons.

The war on terror has led to the government sponsoring terror groups and, you know, terrorists taking over entire countries like what just happened in Afghanistan. The war on poverty has led to a growing gap between those who have and those who don't, a permanentization of generational poverty. What did we think the war on abortion is gonna look like? Yes, a good one. And that's not an open question. We can pretty easily guess.

First of all, they're gonna have to draw what that line is. It's likely just for convenience that the line is gonna, because it's hard to verify anything else except conception. So it's going to get drawn likely at or near conception. But so now possibly I saw this picture the other day that's, I think, spike you may like. So I saw this where scientists on the left are saying, look, there's atoms, there's life on Mars. This is awesome. Right? There's actual bacteria we found life on Mars and on the right. No, no, no, that's not life.

It's not a life. A person exists at birth. It's not inside the mother. Which is my point. That's why I'm validating him. I'm showing that for him. But what else? I mean, it's just, I used to be a pro-choice guy,

and I started kind of changing my mind on it, and then it was after having kids that I really just completely changed and was like very pro life. And it's just, it's even the argument of personhood. It's like, well, okay, I mean, if someone's in a coma and they're going to come out of the coma in five days, you could argue like they don't really have personhood in this moment, but you know what the future is going to say. No, I'm saying one thing.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, they had personhood. Well, what would make a fetus even after conception not have personhood? But here's the problem. No, I'm saying one so let me be clear enough I want to you have three men arguing each other about abortion. We have a lady here. We'd probably want to get her opinion but I Don't in general and this leads to my question to Jessica and team her up Should men not even have a say in this should this be an all woman decided issue? No, it's 22 make it a baby so should women be the ones deciding this not uh... room full of uh... men in a in a in a back

uh... office old white men deciding what women needed with their body with those glasses you put on water gentlemen you are trying to be a gentleman here i was so classic a miss van what do you think uh... well i think abortion should have always been a state's right issue. I don't understand why there needs to be some national oversight on the ethics for local communities on that. But also, what was the question you just asked? Oh, men are allowed. Okay, well, obviously you can't procreate without men, so why should they not have equal? I'm just putting that out there.

We can't even think of it. It's a weird thing as a woman. I was like, I was carrying the baby. Yeah, but when you're a father, like, okay, yes, that is true. Like women, it is biologically true that women go through a lot more to have babies. But the idea that the man has no stake in like your kids.

It's just, that's just a control. That's a control mechanism to shut you down. I'm just gonna say the shipell joke. Okay, well, if that's the case, and I guess we should be okay with deadbeat dads, they're making a choice not to be called. Yeah, I thought shipell joke was the best to argue that. Last but not least, Trump. Well, I wanna enter this one piece if I could.

You can, I am pro-choice, but anti-abortion, what does that mean? To your point, if I'm pro-life, I'm saying, I want the government to make it illegal. If I'm saying that the outcome will be poor women will be punished. And I'm not about punishing pro-life. That's the outcome. Ireland even stopped their ban on abortion because the wealthy women flew to London and get abortions and the poor Irish woman got screwed.

I do not want to punish pro-women. This is why I'm pro-choice. However, I am anti-abortion, which means I will do things to ensure I promise this governor there will be less abortions in New York. I will do things to make things better. For example, I will make sure that people can get contraception without a prescription over the counter, no matter what it is. I will make sure that adoption and surrogacy will be simple and easy and cheap so that people who want to have a baby but don't want to have an abortion, there will be families that have picked them up and take them easily that day.

No more adoption in China, Romania, all in the New York state. There will be less abortions in New York state. And the most important thing, which some people think is crazy, but I think it's very important. We should be taking all the money, energy, and time we spend towards fighting the Roe v. Wade and put it towards artificial wounds. Once you have an artificial wound that is functioning cheap, abortion becomes obsolete. Well, marriage didn, abortion becomes obsolete. Marriage didn't also become obsolete.

I'm sorry. Why would we have to have families that all of you have artificial wounds? Just like brave new world territory. We already don't have family. Families already broken up. That's not because artificial wounds is because of many things. Well, that's just another step towards that. Yeah.

Maybe, but I'm okay with it. That one I'll take. It just went from safe legal and rare and went all the way to the leading cause of death on the planet. Yeah. So, like, that's the leading cause of death is abortion. Yeah. And, you know, the black genocide, there's a lot of things that can be said about that on

how that came about years ago on what the whole reason behind it is. Well, if you really go and study the history of it, it's not a good history, by the way. No. It's almost like they want to keep that history quite history. No, they do everything they can to not talk about Margaret Singer speaking to the KKK. But how do you make a very good point and to help minimize towards marriage,

I think there's been two people who have been heavily campaigning to influence single men to stay single. I think one of the biggest campaigners, her name is Jada Pinkett and the other one is amber her so if not not in a big help but i think that's what that but i think the lesson that is that it is yes make sure you don't

uh... marry someone like that uh... but there's you know my message to guys is always like i think marrying the right woman which i'm fortunate enough to have done is the best thing you could ever do in your life. But the thing is that's right. Crazy women like that. And this is crazy men too, or women out there.

You will get red flags. The question is whether you're ignoring them or not. There is not. There were a million red flags for all of the people in these relationships. They chose to ignore them. So it's just as simple as when you're dating someone, if they show you a red flag, you know, maybe ignore one by the second one and it, and you'll be fine. I'm just a last one. I have to say single.

I live Rotarian dating advice, but I have to. You gotta have them on on the podcast just to talk about dating. Oh yeah, you ready? I've been married 20 years from a girl I met action high school and as part of my consulting I actually have helped women in New York City get married. So I'm happy to have that conversation. That's a mellivano now.

Correct. One year is a mellivano. Larry, can I book you? Absolutely. I've been married for 12 years and no one including myself understands why my wife. Like that's it is you all kicked your coverage. Oh, it is. I'll kick your cover just to say. Oh, it's not even, it's, it's, it's made sure Mary, what's your anniversary?

March 27th. Okay, got it. Yeah, I married up to him with you. I married up. So, so last but not least, folks, if you're enjoying today's format and the way we did it, and if you're joined the guest that we had on here today, with the banter going back and forth,

give it a thumbs up and subscribe to the channel and make sure you go send this video on Twitter and put the handle, Musk say meet with these folks and see if the libertarian council makes sense. Last thing, Trump just endorsed 11 folks, nine of them one, okay? And you know what that means when it's nine out of 11.

That's a step-cree type of free-throw shooting that you're doing. Elections around the corner, no matter how much shit people talk and say the guy's over with, he's running 99% chance, and he's gonna be the nominee for the right. And there's a high likelihood he wins

because the Santas is not running, not this time around. The Santas probably gonna wait till running for 2027, 2028 and running this time. I may be wrong, it's my speculation, okay. What do you stand with what's gonna happen in 2024 with Trump winning? How much different do you think the climate's gonna be? One, do you think you'll win, two, if you wins,

how different of an America's 2024 versus when you won in 2016? Well, I think that I more or less agree with your assessment. I think that if Donald Trump wants it, I don't think DeSantis is gonna challenge him in a primary, I think. You don't think he could be a running mate? Uh, that's possible. Would he be a VP pick? I mean that I could, I could, I could, I've lost two alphas. Yeah, probably not the best for, uh, for Trump.

I don't know about that, but I don't think he'll run for the nomination. Look, I think you have a base in the Republican party, a huge percentage of the base genuinely believes that Donald Trump is the legitimate president. And that Joe Biden wasn't legitimately elected. That's a huge percentage of the base in the Republican party. He has, he has, beloved amongst the Republican base still. I think if that, that nomination is his if he wants it.

And then I don't, I really don't know if Joe Biden ends up running for re-election, but it's, it's either him or Kamamaul a harris either way the weakest candidate that the democrats could possibly feel to be honest i don't see how you have a democrat president after two thousand twenty four i mean what do they have to run on they have in flage media dominance lock down i mean it just people it's like look worth a party who wants to like kick you out of your job if you don't get a vaccine vaccine that doesn't even work, we want to destroy your dollar and

we want to propaganda, propaganda is your six year old with sex education or something like that. These are not popular positions. And the truth is that Donald Trump running man is going to bring just a hell storm of media insanity and it'll be I think hilarious and weird, but the country is at a very different place. Donald Trump is older.

I mean, I know we got used to Joe Biden being so old and he's really like 15 years older than his actual age. But Donald Trump, what I've seen in the clips of his rallies, I think he's just like, he doesn't quite have the magic to me that he had in 2016. I think he's a little out of touch with where his base is, a little out of touch with where the country is. I've seen him like bragging about how he made the vaccines,

and the people in his crowd are kinda like, we're not like not really, that's not really our thing. He's been like, you know, we're kinda, we're kinda anti-transparent. I don't know. I don't know. So I still think he could win, but I do think this is a, it's a different landscape and a different dynamic

than 2016. So I'm interested to see how it all plays out. 81 million people didn't vote for Joe Biden. They voted against Donald Trump. When you combine that with the fact that, as Dave was saying, I mean, Trump has been booed a couple of times at his rallies. Like, I do think he's kind of like, kind of lost track of some of his base.

And it's his base that he relies on. I think that if Donald Trump, if Donald Trump runs from the nomination, it is basically a certainty that he will get the Republican nomination. I think that the only way that the, that Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, whoever it is that is the Democrat candidate, can try to change the subject from, at that point, the last four years of them being in office and the consequences of that, as well as bad policies that happen under Trump that they supported, like stimulus spending and things like that, the only way they can change the subject is to make it a litmus test on someone that a good percentage of the

country hates. Like Donald Trump. So I don't know if Donald Trump is the best for the Republican party to run. Now, even big as a libertarian, you'll notice that none of us here tried to seriously say that a libertarian has a shot in 2024. That is a problem. That's why I started. I didn't see it yet.

No, that's fair. That's fair. That's why I started you are No, that's fair. That's fair. That's why I started you are the power is because we have to grow from the grassroots up to be able to make it so that one day there is serious contention for a libertarian candidate in 2024. Not with a series of lightning strike, Hail Mary passes that all seem to work out, but with an actual feasible plan to be able to do that. There are two pieces I want to bring up. One is Libertarian piece. Libertarian party's goal in 2024 should be to get electoral votes.

That's what it should be. There should be gold on that map, whether that's Utah or chunk of Nebraska, whether that's a chunk of Maine who splits up their stuff, whether that's New Mexico, whatever it is. Wyoming, there should be a gold piece on that map because that map is shown to bazillion times and that map is what will get us to be real. So we have a real shot of winning in 2028. So we must get some type of electoral victory in 2024. As far as Trump goes, I'm not sure Trump is gonna run. There is value in him being Kingmaker and I think he does like it. He might decide to be Kingmaker. If he runs,

I think he will absolutely win the nomination without question. I think that's guaranteed. But he might go, you know what? I like being the puppet master. I'm gonna sit back in and dors you and dors you. You guys go. He might say, I still think that's an option for him to do. But I think it does run. He'll make it. If the Republicans run a DeSantis Gabbard ticket or something like that, someone, DeSantis cannot get the left, but someone like a Gabbard or someone like that, whatever the person Santas cannot get the left, but someone like a Gabri or someone like that, whatever the person is who can get the left all of those. It was the second name you're saying, Gabor, like a Gabri.

Tulsie Gabri, okay, got it. Tulsie Gabri can draw the left, right? Anyone who can draw the left, if propaganda is gonna be a Santas and someone who can draw the left, they will easily sweep it. I think Trump will consider when, but the issue is, will there be a culture war issue

that will pop up that year, like abortion is now? If a culture war issue pops up, Republicans might lose in 2024, if not, they're gonna win. The issue is only will, and then reason why I say it is, I know people in New York state, lots of them, they are not Democrats, will it be aligned to some of them, I know, are not Democrats, they're Republicans.

This, we wait, we wait thing popped up, they are angry, They are mad. They are pissed off and it doesn't affect them at all. In New York state, you are not affected. What's over by this? And they are angry. So I do think. Who's angry exactly?

A woman, Republican women and independent women are angry at this. Even though it does not affect them at all, they're still angry. So if there is a culture where you should have pops up then, popngas may struggle. No, there's Republicans. The other major, the other manufactured culture, well, the other major X factor is a hot war. Some type of real hot war that develops, that changes everything in a point two years away. You never know what's going to happen.

That happens. We have to stay out. Let them let them, you have to, I would, I certainly would like to. I think he was more referring to either starting or conflagrating a whole war because presidents in wartime tend to get reelected. And that might be a yes for a lot. This is an exception. This isn't a very weird president and interesting time.

So it's very weird. That's also true. And it's people on both sides are just kind of like, what the, let's just, everyone's like, when I was in military, I would, in boot camp, I don't know if you remember, we'd count down the days. Okay, how many days do I have left? And you go, there's people, people in their closets,

no one sees, they're counting down how many days are left with the current administration to get somebody else to take over. Left and right, by the way, it's not just like it's only people on the right, and the middle. Anyways, folks, this has been great. Thank you so much for coming out all of you.

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