PBD Podcast - Maajid Nawaz SHOCKED Over THE Reason Why Murdoch Fired Tucker | PBD Podcast | Ep. 262 | Part 2

Episode Date: April 28, 2023

In this episode, Patrick Bet-David and Maajid Nawaz will discuss: Why The Islamic Faith Is The Fastest-Growing Religion UN decriminalizes sex with minors If Rupert Murdoch Was Blackmailed To Fire Tucker Carlsen If the central bank digital currency is going to breach people's privacy The texts revealing why Murdch fired Tucker FaceTime or Ask Patrick any questions on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://minnect.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Want to get clear on your next 5 business moves? ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://valuetainment.com/academy/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join the channel to get exclusive access to perks:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3Q9rSQL⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Download the podcasts on all your favorite platforms⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3sFAW4N⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

You won't find much traction in that demographic that's growing among Muslims, which is gonna become a very large demographic. You won't find much traction for the idea that men with penises are women, for example. So there's a lot to be hopeful about. A lot of this woke crap, am I allowed to swear on this? Of course, yeah.

So the bullshit that has no traction in Muslim communities. Nor did the COVID mandates, by the way. Some of the biggest opponents of this whole mandate era in the Muslim community. That's right, why not? Again, back to this point, when you all tuned out of the bullshit, which is the data tracking, the matrix illusion that we all live in,

when you're just with people, none of this propaganda, you know, I just spent a whole month in a mosque every single night because of Ramadan, praying not just the five daily prayers and not just the special Ramadan evening prayer, which is the Tharawi prayer, but also the Tahajid prayer, the night prayer, every night just leaving my phone at home

speaking to people, I can promise you out there in Muslim communities, the numbers you mentioned, whether it's in Pakistan, whether it's in Indonesia, because they are so tuned out of this propaganda, and that's the reason why again has years of X history behind it, not trusting Western propaganda and all that because of colonialism. There's a long history there, but because they're so tuned out in the real world where people are talking and mixing with each other. Define tuned out. Not dependent for their perspective around life on the very narrow sources of information that we have ended up with in our discourse and COVID demonstrated that.

In the way in which our sources of information were so minutely controlled. These are communities that have, because let's take Pakistan as an example with vaccinations, as Vox reports, you can pull it up if you want, but the CIA in its hunt for bin Laden engaged in a fake hepatitis B vaccine program against children, using the cover of vaccines to try and take people's DNA against their will by deception looking for bin Laden. That got revealed, which is I say it's on Vox Vox. That got blown up the CIA to apologize for it. But where you've got a history of abuse like that, nobody trusts the messaging in the first place to say, take this shot or you're going to lose your job. Everyone

has their starting point is you're all a bunch of liars. So when you're tuned out in that way, what you've got left, you've got no money, it's a developing world, you've got no power, what you've got is relationships. And your relationships are the only thing that matter. As anyone with a Middle East and background know the idea of, in Pakistan it's called Sephardic, but the idea of it's who you know you have to know people, your family, your tribal members, even to get on in life, because the system doesn't work.

The system has never worked for a long time. So it's the relationships that matter. Now, in that context, you got no time for the bullshit and the propaganda. So there's no traction for this, these woke culture wars is absolutely zero traction for the vaccine mandates. But it has to be because somebody at the top shuts it down.

Because if the person at the top doesn't shut it down, then there can be traction. Okay, you know, there's a part about, so if you wanna pull up these stats, I just send it to you with the whole percentage of, go a little lower, go a little lower, go a little lower, go keep going, keep going, keep going. Let me see if this is the link.

Percentage of Muslims who support gay is this article that I found. Yeah, I was just going to go. If you can go to that one and it says by age, I don't know if you see, okay, I didn't send you this link, I sent you a different link, I sent you the pure research link, maybe I sent you the wrong link, okay, let me send you this one. If you can pull this up, it says percentage of Muslims who strongly favor gay marriage, okay. 18 to 29, 49%. 30 to 49, 38%.

Where's that in America? This is Pew Research. Who's being, is that Muslims in America? So this is Muslims who strongly favor or favor gay marriage, okay? Now, percentage of Muslims who strongly favor or favor gay marriage who are ages, this is a table to per margins, areas, and we're talking about question. It doesn't say if it's America. So I'm bludges to assume it's America.

I imagine it would be 50 to 64. Those numbers don't make that. 50 to 64. 50 to 64, age, 11%. 65 plus is 2%. How different is this in Muslim nations? Very different. Give us an idea.

It would be the opposite. You'd be seeing the exact opposite. Right there on the chart. If you see what we're going to do. I mean, just to serve, which countries are legally allowed in Muslim majority countries, where this is a legal, where the definition of marriage is changed

from being between a man and woman. In Muslim majority countries, I don't think there's any really traction for this idea. But which Muslim countries is gay marriage legal? I can't think of one. What do you think about that? Look, for me, this is a human issue. I don't think we should have to change the definition of what marriage is

to have sympathy for people that have same-sex attraction. I think that there's a lot of crossing of lanes here which I think has been largely responsible for some of the mess we now find ourselves in where men are saying they're women. I think tradition is important. It needs to be respected and maintained. There's a reason in tradition, marriages between a man and a woman. Civil unions and civil partnerships are something else. I'm not into, in any way, persecuting minority identities. My interest is to make sure that tradition as well is preserved and not tinkered with, because what we've seen of late with the woke culture was and said we'd come to the trans thing, and maybe we can go into it here now, is

the absurdity of this all becomes apparent. When you start, there's, tradition is there for a reason and the wisdom that underpins a lot of our traditional perspectives. In time you can begin seeing, especially as you become older and become a parent. And if you start playing with that wisdom, as I say, the absurdity becomes apparent now. There is no reason other than a respect for tradition and a recognition of reality, which is what tradition is, I believe, and the wisdom that is underpinning tradition is based on. There is no reason other than that to object to a lot of this madness. The reason I object to this madness is I say this, we as human beings have existed here on this planet for so many thousands of years, and along you come and think that you've

suddenly found an answer to these questions and the answer is that I can identify however I want. I, sorry, but I don't think that you have the accumulated wisdom of generations of human beings on this planet. People that have had intersects identities, people that have had trans identities, people that have had same sex traction have always existed in these societies. And if you go to Pakistan as an example here, if you go to Lahore, and if you go to the Bhadshai Masjid, which is one of the most beautiful mosques in law, around that Bajay Musgeet was the traditional red light district of the Mughal emperors,

because a lot of the conkybines and others would live around the court. And the in Pakistan, there's a very old tradition of men that would come to weddings and dance, and they would be dressed up as women. And in order to do the common parlance for this is Gussare, and it's not the idea of the trans identity in a traditional Muslim society is not alien. But what never happened was that you take that phenomenon, which was they weren't, of course there are challenges with how they're treated and that needs to improve in every case.

But what never happened was you take that identity, which has existed there for a long time, and now you wanna start tinkering with tradition by changing the norms and the customs and the legislation upon which those norms and customs lead to by saying that I'm going to now change the definition of marriage. So they were there and they've always been there. But there's a reason that tradition has led to this idea that marriage is between man

and woman, I think. I think that's how it should stay. It's also slippery slope, right? Because you said that's how I think it should stay. Yes. What you're saying? Marriage. Marriage between a man and a woman.

That's how it should stay. Okay. So today, you'll hear guys coming out and, you know, we talked about this with Tate. Andri Tate says, look at Christians. You know, they're compromising the rise in principles. He says, you know why I'm a Muslim? Because they don't compromise the values and principles. And he's, he's got a big audience and his audience is who? 16 to 35 years old.

Okay, which is the audience that is typically afraid, angry, disappointed, heartbroken, moldable, shapeable, recruitable. His audience is the audience that is a shapeable audience, right? It's the audience, the US government wants to have because the sooner you get to them through educational system whatever, maybe you have them for the rest of their life and you already know how they're gonna be voting

for you, got them for the most part, right? Okay. What do you think the Christian religion is caving in where they're sitting there saying, well, you know, what it's okay, you know, let's just compromise. It's okay. And I know you don't have the answer to it. It's not like it's like, I'm looking for definite, but I want an answer of your opinion.

I'll give you an answer. And by the way, do you think it is a mistake clergy's meant? Do you think it is a mistake the Christian Church is making? Yeah. Yes. So an answer, and before I give the an answer, I make it clear, I married to an American who was raised in Catholic school. My mother-in-law is a practicing Catholic

who visits church every Sunday and for all the occasions such as Christmas and what have you. And so, I am familiar in a family sense with Catholicism and my remarks are in no way meant in any way to disparage any faith tradition. But an answer to your question, I believe, is back, it comes back to the nature of institutions, in this case clergy. When you have, as I say, every institution becomes corrupted and it drifts to more and more power. We saw that in the church. So the pedophilia scandal isn't confined to Epstein. It existed in the church as well.

Now what was Epstein? So Whitney Webb's written a book, One Nation Under Black Males, a two-volume book worth having a look at. I interviewed her for my The Radical Show, which basically we had a whole season and then it was on Odyssey. And Odyssey's parent company was Library and the SEC, the Securities and Exchange Commission, under Gary Gensler, enforced against Library while not enforcing against FTX. And so Library had to shut down. And so Odyssey, the platform still exists,

but Radical, the show couldn't carry on. But we had Whitney Webb on that show, and that's an example, one nation on the Black Lives Her book, and it goes into how the entire EPSD in operation was for the purposes of acquiring Compromat on senior political leaders, so that once you have that Compromat or compromising material, you can have them do your bidding at risk of you exposing what you know about them if they don't.

So take what we know about Epstein and one of his former handlers is all there in the press. In fact, in the British newspaper, the this was to try and force politicians with the compromise we had to do our bidding. But that's how political blackmail works. So to your question, what happened in the church? If you've got a whole bunch of shit on a whole bunch of priests doing a whole bunch of crap with kids, you can have them do your bidding. And you can hijack the institution from within. In the UK with the Church of England, I think the man's well-be,

the head of the Church of England in the UK has recently come out and said the same thing. He's like, yeah, it's fine, this trans stuff, this gay stuff, it's all fine. So the question becomes, if you can corrupt the institution from the top and the guidance itself is saying this is all fine, or in the case of the Catholic Church,

you've got priests who are disabled from doing much against it because themselves are compromised. The institution itself becomes disabled. It is unable to respond. And again, the advantage of a more libertarian approach to a direct relationship with the source or Allah, again we've defined what we mean by the word Allah. This is not a Muslim-only thing. If you have a direct relationship with Allah or the source,

you can always outflank the attempt to hijack any given institution because your faith tradition doesn't rely on that institution for guidance in the first place. That's a sort of a magic question. So what I agree with the whole trans, it's getting crazy. They're growing by the day.

It's getting, Jimmy is getting out of control. Why do you think such a small minority group is getting like protected and probably can't, like if anybody talks negative against them, you're canceled, you're done, you're finished. How are they getting this much power? Yeah, how is, I mean. Well, so this is deliberate.

These culture wars are being stoked on purpose to avoid us having these conversations about one nation under blackmail, about globalism, about technocracy, about the attempts that are still undergoing right now to securitize the entire planet and put us under this dragnet, this technocratic dragnet where we are all digital slaves. And that should be the most important topic right now. The World Health Organization is currently as we speak, passing amendments to the International Health Regulations. Amendments, those amendments to the International Health Regulations,

stipulate that the head of the World Health Organization, Tudros, who I believe, by the way, there is also some questionable footage of in various private scenarios. Now, Tudras, who's the head of the World Health Organization, through these amendments, which will pass without a vote, because all of us, our countries, are signatories to the World Health Organization, so the amendments to the international health regulations don't need a vote.

Once those amendments pass, the World Health Organization can declare a global health emergency and impose all of their measures from a from on on top centrally. And they won't need the government's cooperation to do so. So we've got efforts of foot right now as we speak to securitize our health policy around the world and synchronize it all in one globalist

technocratic tyranny. And meanwhile, we are fighting over what a woman is. And I think that that's being deliberately stoked so that we're looking over here and not looking up. Like diversion tactic, like, look left and right, don't look up. And I, obviously, you have to address it because somebody going into a female changing room

or a prison, whereas a rapist or suddenly identifies as a woman and gets put into a female wing, you have to address it because it's a clear and immediate problem. But while you're addressing it, this is all going on up here. So I often say to people, look up, we have to look up and understand

what's going on. This is being deliberately funded back to the money point. These culture wars are being stoked and funded on purpose. The rise of this bug-like characters. Notice it happened after they met Biden. Yeah. Right? It's all planned.

Let me wrap. Can you pull up the Eric's wall? Well, moment, you know, on April 19th, the tweet I sent you, you should have it somewhere that was sent. That's on Twitter, it's a clip. It was sent to you earlier if you can find it. If you just go to your text, you should find it faster a clip, it was sent to you earlier if you can find it. If you just go to your text, you should find it faster than this because before you do that, before you do that, I'll go through what we just saw recently with the United Nations back, the decriminalization of sex with minors.

I don't know if you saw that or not. I did. I did. I did. And you know, report title, the eighth March Principles for a Human human rights based approach to criminal law prescribing conduct associated with sex reproduction drug use hiv homelessness and poverty which goes into talking about sexual conduct involving a persons below the domestically prescribed minimum wage of consent to sex may be consensual in fact if not in law how in the hell does the Geneva-based international commission of jurists

who wrote this in March within a system from the UNA AIDS and the Office of United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights? How can this be common sense? Yeah, well, it's not, and they're normalizing it because most of the people who are in positions where they can bring this about are complicit. And that's what

Epstein revealed to us. Gilei Maxwell is probably the only case he can think of of somebody being convicted for trafficking underage girls to nobody. And that's what we're witnessing. And these are people, all of them. And it goes to the very top in the UK. You can get this documentary on Netflix, which I don't believe an American audience can see. And it's on the UK Epstein. His name is Jimmy Savile. And Jimmy Savile is dead now, but he worked for the BBC. Was an incredibly iconic and influential cultural figure in the UK for all of us growing up.

He had more culture impact than Epstein had never been heard of until the scandal. But Jimmy Savile was like a, you know, a household name. And yet was a demonic pedophile who would go into the point, I say, demonic on purpose, those hospitals, you will all remember Diana, Princess Diana, the late great princess Diana, used to visit, were the reason it's since been revealed, that Diana used to visit those hospitals, those ones in particular, is because they were the ones Jimmy Savile at night would have unfettered access to to rape disabled children

in their beds. And Diana in complete, in Diana in complete, you know, she was desperate to try and do something about this and eventually obviously the whole marriage fell apart. But Jimmy Savile, why I mentioned Diana in this context, is that the UK Netflix doctor character right here? That's him. He looks, look at the physical. He would do something like that. Right? And you know, it's, it only got revealed after he was dead,

after he died naturally of old age, because he was so powerful, he was untouchable. And how powerful he was is what this Netflix documentary goes into. And it's that he, there are letters from the current King Charles to him, they were best mates.

And he had access to Buckingham Palace. He had access to every of them together. There's more than pictures of them. There are letters you'll find, letters of King, because this will be published by Netflix. I don't know if in the U.S. you can get this documentary, but in the UK you can. Now I give this as one example,

because everyone in a position of power to be able to do something about this pedophilia stuff is complicit. That's what Epstein was about. That's what Jimmy Savile was about. We've got to have, first of all, a recognition of just how deep this rot is. And then we've got to realize it's that deep that the solution can't just be hang people or execute people or throw them in jail for the rest of their lives because actually look at some of the porn online and look at some of the content that people

that consume porn are watching. And you realize this is a melody, it's a disease in our hearts in society. We've got to have a fundamental, we've got to really look at this thing a new, I don't watch porn full stop. I used to, I don't full stop. I've given it up for a long time now

because I believe that all of us morally are complicit when we engage in that behavior. Obviously, we're not criminally responsible like these people, but this stuff, it poisons the heart. Forget poisoning the mind, it poisons the heart. So that's why this stuff is happening, because they're all complicit, and they want to normalize it so that justice doesn't come,

but justice is going to come. How? The cat's out the bag. Now, you look at Epstein. There's only so far, take the COVID narratives of his own. There's only so long you can suffocate the truth. The cat's out the bag. You can't put that genie back in the bottle.

And once it's out there, it becomes, it does, it's why sunlight is the best disinfectant. Because it does many things at once. One of them is that you think it now, if you're a priest in the Catholic church who was previously engaged in this kind of behavior, you're going to think twice whether it's because you're worried about being exposed in a in a blackmail plot or Me Tooed, the way in which the cultural debate has moved since just three years ago on all this stuff has, has, has, has, has meant that there has to be a show of attempting to stop some of this. But that's why they're trying to normalize it

because they fear that trials are coming. They fear that people are, which they are, are so angry that they want justice, which is a natural demand. And if we deny people justice, for example, where is the client list for Glengmack's well? Where is this client list? And I don't, you know, I think Trump and others have mentioned this, but the question that you can, if you can end up in a situation where, where the entire system

has been dependent on pedophilia to survive, which is what Whitney Webb's book One Nation on the Blackmail documents. And everything good we know in society only exists because the people at the top that brought it to us were engaged in evil of the most severe sense you can think of. There's only so long you can keep a lid on that. Eventually, even if it's just to calm people down and appropriate the cause, eventually a show we need to be made, that this has been addressed. And right now, a show hasn't been made because it got one person, a woman at that, none of the male clients, Guillet Maxwell has been convicted. Even Epstein wasn't convicted. He was disappeared

whether he killed himself or was killed or who knows. But the idea that there has been no justice. The only person convicted for this great historical scandal has been one female who facilitated it as opposed to any of the men that engaged in it Yeah, even Prince don't and don't the only and not convicted but Prince Andrew was just relieved of his He paid royal duties he paid some money and that was it the only way that happens is He's paid some money and that was it. The only way that happens is if the people at the top are also involved to be like, hey, you better take care of me because I'm taking care of you.

That's the only way that can happen. And by the way, this kind of leads me to this happened April 19. Can you play this clip real quick? This kind of goes back to what you were talking about earlier that you were recruiting officers. Watch this clip here. This is Eric Swahwell, which has been in the news for messing around with you know dating a Chinese spy and all this stuff and all these other things that's going back and forth and then watch what happens here.

Our rhetoric and to denounce anti-Semitism and anti-police rhetoric in this country so that Jewish Americans and police officers can be safer. Congressman, I do. Thank you, and I yield back. Trash. Watch this. The gentleman yields, and now I recognize the General Lady from Georgia, Miss Green. That was quite entertaining from someone that had a sexual relationship with a Chinese spy, and everyone knows it. I moved to take our words down. by and everyone knows it. I moved to take our words down. Damn. Watch this.

They work on taking it down after playing for me. Yes, you know what I just didn't take it down. They kept it. This is very uncomfortable to watch for four minutes. Oh, I love it. But they kept it. They didn't take it down. They kept trying to take it down.

By the way, I'm not going to play it. If you watch it, it's like, it just goes on like this. It goes on like this. And then they finally said, what would you like to have removed? And they said everything she said says, we can't do that. You got to be specific. We'd like you to remove the part, comments about, spies says, nope, we're going to keep that in there.

It's staying. Okay. That's my record. Yeah, exactly. Yesterday, Pat, this happened again yesterday. Oh, yesterday, they first, another, another Republican male, I forgot his name, said the same thing. He's like, you had another, another Republican male. I forgot his name said the same thing. He's like, you had a relationship with Fangfang. He said our name and they go, nope,

strike his words down again. Yeah. So, I'm going to take a very weird turn here. It's going to make you a little weird here. So talk across on what happened recently. Yeah. Yeah. I've been talking to him. He said he feels weirdly great, by the way. Yeah. And by the way, it's very obvious that he feels weirdly great yesterday. He made a comment, uh, uh, uh, uh, put a video up. If you can, I don't want to play the clip, I just want to see how many views it got. It was at five million last night and like a couple hours. I saw that clip. Where is it at, Rob? If you can look up how many hours. I saw that clip. Where is it at Rob? If you can look up how many views that clip has, I just pulled it up. 15.6 million views on 14 hours. Okay. You think he's got a bit of a reach. But here's a part. Here's a part. Robert Murdock. Fox. Okay. They're massive. I don't know how many

of the shows on TV are there's 90 out of 100, they have the top spots. 98 out of 100. It's just they have all the slots, right? They have the talent there. Okay, it's Fox, Bigger than Tucker. Yeah, Fox is Bigger than Tucker, MBAs, Bigger than Michael, you know, MLB is Bigger than Babe Ruth, and we can go on and on and on and talk about that. But there's only one Michael, there's only one Tucker,

there's only one, this is not an easy person to find and replace, right? Absolutely. So, how much of this, first of all, when you pay 787 and you go to CNN's YouTube channel out of 12 videos uploaded, 8 of them or so are about, you know, Fox had to pay 787, Fox had to pay 787, 600,000 views, eight hundred thousand views, four hundred thousand views. That's all they're celebrating. And by the way, they should be celebrating.

Why though? Because and what did they all say? Record breaking never in the history of media has anybody paid seven hundred and eighty seven million dollars and they call us fake news. You are the real fake news on all this stuff, right? Okay And they did Russia nobody did anything about it, you know, they did you know January 6th nobody's fighting that they did all this there's nobody fighting a lawsuit to get them to report and all this other stuff They've not done that so guess what?

To the public who doesn't follow the news. what did they say? Yeah, we're right. They paid $800 million. So how much of this is, you know, pure speculation. No one's even this a conversation. I have another person yesterday. How much of this could be that the black mailing could be going on behind closed doors with Murdoch, whether he's trying to sell the company to somebody

on a little so if you fire the sky or something from the past that came up was one of his sons. How much of that you think could take a... Because this was a shocker. Tucker wasn't expecting this. This isn't like his last shows all the well today's my last show. I'm under the fire. I'm not saying I'll see you soon, right? Yeah, I'll see you next week. Next week, yeah. I mean, look, Hunter Biden's laptop is to your point. point is an example of where Biden, the president, would one assumes act conflicted to protect

his son if black man was revealed about his son and there is incredibly compromising criminal behavior of Hunter Biden on that laptop, it's documented. And if somebody, an intelligence agency had that information and said to Biden, hey, we will release this about your son unless you do X, Y, and Z. Of course, a father's going to, oh, my son, I'm going to have to look after my son. So to your point, of course, this is, we now know this is how the world has been run. And it's just incredible that it's all come out at this moment. I think there's a reason it's come out at this moment because we're in this period of transition.

We're in really the word historic is overused but genuinely in a historic period where perhaps even Fiat money comes to an end and the world is going to be reorganized. Murdoch won't live for long now just because of his age and normal sorrow. So I think all of these old dinosaurs will pass on and that's what the struggle is about. We're in this kind of struggle right now. But their kids will pass on. And that's what the struggle's about. We're in this kind of struggle right now. But their kids will take over. Well, that's the struggle. How and who?

And we've met again, likewise, which son, who, how, all of this, and do they do the same thing? Do they do different things? And we're seeing the instability we see now everywhere, is this, it's succession on crack. Because a generation is dying. Biden's octogenery wants to run again. I don't know how long that guy's going to survive,

but a generation, Madeline will break with all we mentioned, has passed on. A generation that destroyed the world the way they did, and now we see that because the Mirage has been lifted, they're moving on. And how those chips fall and how the world's going to be organized going forward is going to look very differently. The best we can get out of this situation is decentralization. So what I mean by that is if we recognize institutions

become corrupted and over time seek to centralize more and more power, which becomes more and more corrupting, then the way forward should be, in my view, multilateralism, decentralization. What Tucker's doing with his own this thing, that studio, I think, that's his main in Maine, I've been there with him in that studio. And he's got his own outfit there. He's got a very fully functional studio. It's a converted barn. It's beautiful, by the way, if you see it, Rogan, what he's doing, what you're doing,

decentral, what I'm trying to do, but I'm very, very heavily shadow banned online. So my voice no longer has the reach it used to, but they consider me too dangerous, but that's fine. But what we're all trying to do, which is decentralization of messaging, so that the power isn't focused and concentrated at the top, I think that's a way forward. So this is probably a blessing in disguise

that he's gone this way, because it means some people will watch him, some people will watch you, and you then have a genuine diversity of thought. The last tweet I put up before I came on this show, just a half an hour before coming on this show, is what I said was that, you pull it up if you want,

I said that the struggle for ethnic diversity has largely intellectually been won. You'll see there is. And it's an appropriated struggle. So I inserted the word appropriated there. But the appropriated struggle for ethn, you see I've lost my blue check as I refuse to pay for that. But the appropriated struggle for ethnic diversity

has already been intellectually won. The struggle for thought diversity and representation for critical thinkers is what it's really always been about and is nowhere near one. These two will now be deliberately conflated by power with a capital P in order to deceive. What I mean by that is that this whole BLM stuff as an example of it, right? The movement was money laundering from the beginning again. I called that out from day one. It was, for me, it was obvious what BLM was about. And I've fought skinheads on the streets with machetes. I have no sympathy for racism. But BLM was a front, it was a sham. And the purpose is to weaponize and appropriate these struggles, which were otherwise genuine anti-racism rights for women. But you

appropriate them, corporatism appropriates them, as it's done with a trans agenda and the LGBT agenda, as it's done with racism, as it, in the case of terrorism, as was done to Islam, when a machine appropriates these agendas to weaponize them, you end up in a scenario where what they're really trying to do

is catch up with the debate that's already shifted. So most people are anti-racist. The real thing, what it's really always been about, is intellectual diversity. I don't care if this conversation here had four Middle Eastern Muslim men who all thought the same. That's not, for me, the checkboxer, exorciser, if we were all sat here and all of us were Muslim, I mean, that's all, it's all tokenism. What I'm really interested in is critical thinking and diversity of opinion. And that's what the decentralized media space will finally be able to bring about. Narratives that have been critical of the COVID mandates, for example, that were so suffocated.

the COVID mandates, for example, that were so suffocated. If we decentralize, then we allow for the infrastructure to exist that can actually always protect the dissenting opinion because it might be right. It's why sub-stack is so important. It's why most of my work is on my sub-stack page. So, imagine you said earlier about the reckoning, which I hope something like that would come about. But what do you say to some of that, for instance, I think that there's zero accountability when it comes to those people on the top,

from Bush, with the illegal war, through all the people that were killed, from the COVID, what we've seen, with Fauci back forth, back forth the government line, from the Epstein thing, you genuinely think that we're gonna come to a point that change will happen, because like Tucker is one of these truth talking

accountability people, do you think it have to be like a spiritual shift? Or like do people are gonna actually have to come out and revolt and actually go on the street? Because I don't feel like it. I feel like they have a grip, a death grip, and we can't do anything. The truth is in your face, and you can't do anything.

So, I believe there will be some relief for us all. We've had a very difficult last three or four years. I think it's about to get harder. And you think it's about to get harder? Yeah, yeah. The financial situation isn't very good. And I think they want to bring in central bank digital currencies. And I think they will.

What's your concern with that? Central bank digital currencies are essentially a tracking tool. So when we were discussing earlier about the fact that it's my data's valuable, wherever I check my wherever I Tap my contactless card leaves a mark that I bought the bottle of water at that time and you said tracking of course So central bank digital currencies are Tracking that's what they are so in a sense I you take paper money away Because it's we've been we ended up printing so much of it quantitative easing

anyway, because we ended up printing so much of it quantitative easing, that it's become pretty much worthless. The dollar standard globally is no longer being respected. China and Russia are trading oil in rubles and no longer in dollars. Again, it's unprecedented. Saudi Arabia considering the same thing. Just four years ago, this would be considered impossible to do. So paper and the reason it's happening is because the Federal Reserve has made a mess of money and the money system. So what they want to bring in instead is central bank digital currencies. And what you can do is if all of our currency is digital and it's run by the central bank, you can program it.

And so you could say, right, magic, you know, you've had a, this was a coffee I spilled it on the way in there. And you're paying it? Yeah., you know, you've had a, this was a coffee I spilled it on the way in there. And you're, you're parents, yeah. They're white as well, it's something. But you could say, right, magic, you've had, this is my second coffee today, because I'm jet lagged from the travel. You've had two coffees today. And so next time you try and buy a coffee, that's your quote from it.

And, and you can't, you won't physically be able to buy it. Now with coffee, that sounds petty. But we know that's what they want to do with red meat. We know that they've told us they want us to eat more bugs as a host to red meat. So if you've got a central bank digital currency that is programmable, which we also know is an article in the telegraph, Rob,

which you may want to bring up. But it might be behind a paywall though. But the bank of England has told us that these central bank digital currencies will be programmable. You might want to look up the word bank of England, CBDC or digital currencies programmable and the telegraph article with a word telegraph in there. And it should come up as well that bank of it, there you go. In that article there, programming, you see it. Bank of England tells ministers to intervene on digital currency, programming. Digital cash could be programmed to ensure it is only spent

on essentials or goods which an employer or government deems to be sensible. You can't like you. This is from 2021. 2021 is not a lot of you from eating or doing something that they don't want. They deem wrong. So, so it answers your question.

I do think, so this is how it's going to get harder, right? Tom Martin, a director at the Bank of England, said during a conference on Monday that programming could become a key feature of any central bank digital currency in which the money would be programmed to be released only once something happened. Yeah, strict, yeah.

So you've had, I had a stake for dinner last night, right? You know, in the UK, I recommend South Asian food, but if you wanna stake, you have to come to America. Yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, who's been, you have to come to America. It's a bread lane. Yeah, yeah, who's been there? I mean, a bread, that's amazing. I'd probably give you some recommendations that are off the beaten path a bit more

for proper good, desi food, but that's a topic we can constantly have more food. I've heard of bread lane. But I had to say that. I had too much steak this week. That's my point. That's it. You can't have another one.

They can program it. You've met your quota and this whole carbon bullshit, right? That eating this piece of steak is bad for the environment, so sorry, but you can literally can't purchase that anymore because the CBDC's program, it recognized that yesterday, magic had one, so tonight, maybe I want another steak, can't buy one, you know? So that's how I think it's going to get worse. But it answers your question back to that, I do think there's hope, and whether that's spiritual, you mentioned spiritual, look, you know, Breitbart said that politics is downstream from culture, right?

I agree with that statement. Politics is downstream from culture, but I add another statement. I add a, I amend it. And I say, yes, politics is downstream from culture, but culture is downstream from spirituality. Our culture is determined by our spiritual, I want to say perspective, presence. Our spiritual tranquility determines the kind of culture we bring about and these woke wars and the trans stuff and that is a direct manifestation of everything being commodified and us viewing the world through this transactional lens that we spoke about earlier instead of through the relational lens. The trees underground coordinate with each other through this transactional lens that we spoke about earlier, instead of through the relational lens. The trees underground coordinate with each other,

through this beautiful, mycelial network of fungi, and they talk to each other, you know, they've discovered that trees even recognize their children through this underground fun network, and send nutrients to their offspring underground like a motherwood, you know, provide food for the child before themselves, like a motherwood, provide food for the child before themselves, like a parentwood, right?

Trees do all of that and they communicate underground. We are all part of that huge organism, yeah. In a sense, we're all connected like that, just because we don't see it. That doesn't mean it's not there. It's evidently clearly there. But when you divorce the human from that, and instead, I view all of you as potential commodities to be exploited, the end result is some of these work cultures we see where everything including children

have become commodified for profit. And porn is an example of an industry that does that too. So I think that spiritually, you can assume mentioned spirituality, when I say politics is downstream culture and culture is downstream from spirituality. We need a fundamental spiritual reform of ourselves and how we view life and our tranquility that we are missing, I believe, spiritually. And I don't prescribe religion. I'm not into saying Islam is the only truth. I'm of the view that actually, if we truly understood Allah, the source, then you stop trying to convince people.

You're right. Instead, you try and heal from within. And you realize that everything, there's a word in our call, fitra, which means your natural disposition. And it comes without effort. You start seeing, of course, I don't want to exploit that child because that child is me. It's my child and it just becomes a given.

It's not even something you have to think about. But that comes only with this sakeena or spiritual tranquility within once you have that. And of course, without that, because if you're, if we are viewing all of life through this kind of transactional lens where everything is to be exploited In the end even our own bodies become exploited for profit

And that's what transhumanism is about and the whole idea of digitally modifying the human body and and Elon Musk's brain implant What's it called near-engined? So so the sacred the sense of I will speak into Jordan Peterson about this on his show, the sense of everything that has been sacred is being destroyed and commodified. It's what I meant by we have to respect tradition. There are certain things are sacred for a reason. Childhood is sacred for a reason, and it shouldn't even have to be argued. It's self-evident, but of course these days we have to explain why.

But these sacred things to do with life, I think that we have to have a spiritual revival of understanding why the sacred is so important. And then through this period of hardship, I think we're coming towards. There will be, I believe, in the end. There will be some release. Because, again, they have to.

They can't keep continuing that there is no justice in our democracies anymore But right now I bet all of us on this table if we were asked very few of us believe justice has been served whether against Fauci whether against any of Epstein's clients None of what we've lived through and all of us have suffered and the economy in the state it is and all of us whether It's the invasions of these foreign countries and these Neocon cabal that keep funding war they are acting with impunity. We have not seen justice. What does that do to the buy-in to the system?

And what does it do to people's lack of trust in authority figures? It's corrosive. Eventually, something will have to give. And I do think in the long run we will see something give. I hope so. Well, I'm from your inshallah. I'm from your camp that I believe eventually Sun's going to happen. But I want to head up this Tucker Carlson three stories before we wrap up, but breaking news Jerry Springer just passed away. And you know, Jerry and I didn't sit down together six years ago, five years ago, seven years. We had a great conversation together, but he literally just passed away moments ago. Yeah, I was about to tell you that. Yeah. So that's the soul. Yeah. God. May he rest in

peace. What's your biggest memory of your sit down with Jerry Springer? I can tell you that. Yeah. So that's the soul. Yeah. God. Oh, may he rest in peace. What's your biggest memory of your sit down with Jerry Springer? Jerry. Jerry. Jerry. Jerry. It was a huge, higher time was a fight from the second we sat down, we're going back and

forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. It was constant. What was this versus? What was the debate? What were you on? The debate was over, you know, Trump, because I want to say the year it was. And obviously he's not a Trump supporter. And I said, how much taxes are you willing to pay? He says, yeah, I don't care about taxes. I said, Jerry, are you talking as the Jerry today? That's the multi million or the Jerry that was 25 years old coming up

that he is trying to make his millions. And it says, no, I would pay 90% taxes. If that's the case, why did you move your show away from New York to Connecticut to get tax incentives in the city? Oh, I hate that. Anyways, it's a, by the way, it's a very fun debate back in front of me. Women's seaters should, I actually like that.

We were planning on doing a second one. Obviously, by the way, he was a former mayor, I believe, of Cincinnati. Cincinnati, yeah. You know, you know, how you've had sympathy for a dead person while disagreeing. That's how I think we should have.

Oh, I had such a, we left laughing and just great conversation. And it's like, hey, let's do another one. But it was a great conversation we had together. I want to wrap up this thing with Tucker Carlson, because some new story came out. First of all, OAN, rumor has it and it's been revealed that he's been offered $25 million for new job by OAN. Okay. Russian network, I think, RT, RT. No, RT. No, no, literally.

Dr. Carlson receives a job offer from the Russian state TV after Fox firing. That's an independent news. And then the other two, which are the interesting ones, Tucker Carlson, you know, where in one of the texts about Dominion when it was settled, it was revealed the embarrassing internal memos, including a text where Tucker Carlson said, Sidney Powell is lying. So Sidney wasn't for the Dominion thing,

and that text has been revealed, which is not a good look for Fox It is a good look for Tucker for what position he took at that time But a couple different things you Tucker privately called a senior Fox news Exec to seeward and wanted the world to know about it as well. This is a Wall Street Journal story He was not he was unhappy that his use of see word against the senior executive was Redacted from court fire. Oh, wow.

He's like, put it in. I stay by. No, he told the minion lawyers. He was deeply embarrassed. Those words had come to light. Carlson's popularity at the network had won significantly. And, in any way, so that's that part. And then next story is about how Robert Murdock freaked out.

This is Huff Poe said, Robert reports suggest that Tucker Carlson was fired over prayer talk. Yep. Freaked out, Robert Murdoch. Tucker Carlson was allegedly fired from Foxons over remarks he made during gay speech. Friday night at the Heritage Foundation's 50th anniversary, Gail and Maryland, that were two extreme, even for Murdoch according to Vanity Fair's Gabriel Sherman, who cited a source briefed on the decision making process

Look at what he said Pat. He's because and think about it. We're talking about spirituality and God and Allah Tucker called the Borschen child sacrifice. He said it's a war between good and evil and he goes people should take ten minutes a day to talk about prayer I saw that clip. Yeah, the child sacrifice thing I want to give context to what he said there, because he was very clear to be fair to Tucker. He said, I understand, if a woman's rape, I understand, if a woman's health is at risk, I understand abortion in individual cases. He goes, that's different to saying abortion is a good thing to do, full stop blanket.

And he said, I've got every sympathy for these individual cases. I'm not arguing against those. So to be clear, this word child sacrifice, he said, if you got every sympathy for these individual cases. I'm not arguing against those. So to be clear, this world child sacrifice, he said, if you've got a policy that says, it's a good in society, that's what he said is a policy of child sacrifice. Of course, now how that frustrates Robert Murdock to want to turn on that.

And say, that's the reason, that's a little bit. So then that to me says more about the direction they want to take Fox. And by the way, here's a little bit. So then that, that to me says more about the direction they want to take Fox. 100%. Okay. And by the way, here's a crazy part. The moment a Chinese company owned Forbes, 95% of Forbes was owned by a Chinese owned company, everything about the brand Forbes had to build out decades on top of decades, on top of decades disappeared like this. It almost felt overnight, but it took a couple months.

Today, when you look at Forbes, it's not. My opinion, it's not the Forbes of what it was five years ago, ever since that transition took place. A company like this, like, look at what happened to Twitter, the moment Elon Musk bought it. Twitter was playing a very important role for silencing a lot of people. The moment Musk bought it, now there's a little bit more freedom.

The moment Spotify kept roguing, that was a little bit more freedom. The momentum rumble is, now there's a little bit more freedom. The moment Spotify kept broken, that was a little bit more freedom. The momentum rumble is creating that's a little bit more freedom. This hurts conservatives with Rubbert Murdoch doing what he just did to Tucker. But going back to what he's saying, the decentralized voices and a podcast and shows will eventually prevail. But this is not a battle. This is going to be a real war, real war going on for a few more years. I don't think it's gonna slow down any time soon. I really, Patrick.

And just to go on, if I may, provide some scriptural backup for what you just said, wa makaru wa makaru allahu wa lahu khaira makarin. This passage in the Quran is actually revealed in the context of Jesus, Aisha Ali Salam, who's a very well-recognised, beloved prophet for Muslims as well. And the Spirit of God, the Word of God, all of these are used to describe Jesus in the Quran. But this passage, Makhirullah, Makhirullah,

Allah, Hirullah, Makhirin, they scheme in the context against Jesus. They scheme and Allah schemes and Allah is the best of schemers. And so you see all of these schemes, but ultimately I think that they will lose. I agree with you. I think decentralization will win out in the end. It's inevitable, but it comes after hardship. And I lost to the Yusra with the hardship comes the ease, but the hardship will come first. The fact that they lost this guy, there's a difference when you lose somebody age-wise. Say you're 68 years old and you have a show.

Okay, you sign up for 10 years, that's what? 78, Tucker's 54. Yeah. He can go for 15 more years if he wanted. He can go for 10 more years. He's solid if he wanted. Easy. And he is at the peak of his career right now.

What he chooses to do next is going to be obviously on him. But by the way, the lady they talked about that he gave the C word, she was on media, media it's a website as the number one power player in media. Suzanne Scott. Suzanne Scott, which I don't think he's alone there. A lot of other people have felt that way as well,

allegedly based on. Yeah. But anyways, yeah, but you feel it, but not to go your own pace, but you guys feel the, it's all the people that are speaking truth and one in the whole people accountable that are all getting fired or they're taken down.

And it's like, that's the fate that I'm having. So this is coordinated in the UK, when Tucker, this happened to Tucker, in the UK we've got one member of parliament called Andrew Bridgion. How long do I have, are we out of time? Or can I get this quick? You can go two minutes. Okay, so there's Andrew Bridgion in the UK. He's a member of parliament. He's just been kicked out of the Conservative Party, the ruling governing party

in the UK, because he's been the only champion of vaccine injured in parliament. The day after this happens, the Tucker, they kicked him out of the Conservative Party. Telegram just got banned in Brazil by Lula. So you're seeing that this is the clamp down. The clamp down on these decentralized voices is on. They're attempting to shut us all down. I mean, it happened to me during the COVID period. And again, I had offers from other stations, but I knew that what I say, it can't really be on these platforms.

Are you still will get it or no? No, I'm, so my radical media is on substack, maginnoaz.substack.com. And I do a rumble show every Tuesday where my brother was small and Roger, we have a, he's my host, we have a show on a called Warrior Creed on rumble every Tuesday.

Very cool. And Rob, if we can, put the links to the rumble show at the bottom so that can be found as well, as well as his books, link to both of them. And the substack, if you can, it'll be great. And the substack, brother, this has been amazing talking to you.

Thank you, brother. I wish, literally, I wish we had two more hours. I can talk to you for four, five hours. Oh, I love that. I love it. To see what direction, learning, all this stuff, you know, different angles. But I hope the audience enjoyed this podcast as much as I did. Appreciate you for coming out, looking forward to doing it again.

It's been a pleasure, guys. Thank you very much. Thanks, dear. Bye, bye, bye.