PBD Podcast - Matt Zeller | PBD Podcast | EP 107

Episode Date: December 16, 2021

During episode 107 of the PBD Podcast, Patrick Bet-David sits down with Gerard Michaels and special guest Matt Zeller to talk about topic such as Matt Zeller's Afghanistan Commission, Global Federalism, and much more! Subscribe to the PBD Podcast YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGX7nGXpz-CmO_Arg-cgJ7A --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

The Spanish did a census. The Spanish did a census. Live today with Matt Zeller. If you're not familiar with Matt Zeller I think what was it three four months ago where you went viral all over the place Afghanistan I think Brian Williams had you on interesting Brian Williams just recently stepped down and he had you on it You were talking about Afghanistan with the decision. They made to leave Afghanistan was right and you went off and in next thing You know you when I spoke I think the day after two two days later and then from there we're seeing what's happened to Afghanistan. So before

if some people don't know your background matter if you don't mind taking a quick second and get give everybody your background. Sure. I enlisted after 9-11. My family comes from a long line of people who signed up to fight when this country needs them. I'd grandpa joined the Navy right after Pearl Harbor for example. So 9-11 for me to fight when this country needs them. I'd granted join the Navy right after Pearl Harbor, for example, so 9-11 from me was like, our generation's Pearl Harbor. I signed up to serving the military, ended up getting recruited in the CIA,

did a tour or two overseas in Afghanistan, and yeah, I've been intimately involved in helping the Afghans get out of Afghanistan now for the better part of a decade because the only reason I'm sitting here talking to you is because my Afghan interpreter saved my life in a battle 13 years ago when he shot and killed two Taliban who were about to kill me. And then what's in their story done on that seven years ago with BBC or something like

Caroline, you can come here. It's all over the place. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think everybody at this point has told that story. Yeah, Matt, yeah, yeah, there's, I think everybody at this point has told that story. Yeah, Matt, question for you. So from that moment when you spoke and you called out, just to kind of bring people up to date if they didn't see it, here's what I remember what you said. You got on, you said, we send them the plans. We've been telling them what to do.

We've been explaining the term how to leave. Nobody responded back. Nobody called us back. You said you voted for Biden. You said, this is a guy, you're not back. You said you voted for Biden. You said, this is a guy, you're not a Trump guy, you voted for Biden. You supported his philosophy. I knocked doors and Philadelphia for him. That's what I'm saying. And then you are saying we can't go on lying about what we're doing and saying we did exactly what we're supposed to be doing. But this is what I did. So this morning, I'm leaving the jam and I'm

sitting there saying, let me see what, how much media has Matt Zeller got since those comments he made. So I went on, no joke. I went on and I looked at your stuff last 90 days because that was about four months ago, three or four months ago. So I looked, there is nothing on you on media the last 30 days, nothing with any major media. I don't see anything with MSNBC.

I don't see anything with CNN. I don't see anything with Fox. And everybody I don't see anything with CNN. I don't see anything with Fox. And everybody has you on for that week that you were on. So, who did you piss off where people don't want to hear your thoughts? Apparently everybody. Okay. Tell me why, though.

Tell me why everybody's pissed off of you. I know for a fact that I've been told specifically the administration won't meet with me or any group that has me in the meeting. Why is that? Because I put them on blast on national television, because they were lying to the American people. As you said, we, on the 9th of February, 2021, a group that I'm a part of called the Association of War Time Allies wrote a report highlighting calling to attention to the fact

that Afghanistan was going to collapse. It was going to collapse faster than Washington could respond, and that it was going to necessitate the largest airlift in human history in order to get the vulnerable Afghans who had served alongside us, who were in need of rescue out of the country. And we were trying to call attention that it needed to begin at that moment, because we understood that Biden at that point was up against what we called the Trump surrender.

They had surrendered Afghanistan to the Taliban in Doha in 2020. There was an obligation that we were going to be out of the country by the first of May. Biden blew past that deadline and said, well, we'll extend it to August. But the reality was is that from where we were standing in February, we saw there was maybe 90 days on the clock

and we had to start acting that. So I, you're right, I knocked, I'm a proud Democrat. I ran for office as a Democrat. I was the Democratic nominee for a district in New York State for Congress in 2010. I thought that given everything I've done for the party and my connection is the fact that these are friends of mine. I know Jake Sullivan, okay? I've done for the party, my connection is the fact that these are friends of mine.

I know Jake Sullivan, okay? I know people in the way house. I, these are people I, I socialize with in Washington. So I thought if I send them a private email, I'm not putting this out, you know, on the New York Times, I'm not going on CNN, I'm not even going on a podcast or a blog post, this was a private email. So before you publicly called out,

you kind of gave him a private. I gave them months. Yeah, well, this was, I mean, you were part of a think tank that put together. Yes. You actively, you know, you did step by step logistically, how you would do the, we wrote a white paper,

when no one paid attention to it, then we took it to a proper think tank that I'm a part of the Truman project, and we said, let's make this a thing. Let's put some like organizational support behind it, make it look professional. Maybe there's not paying attention because it came from me individually

and not from a group of people that they would listen to more. What we ended up learning was that they just weren't interested in the truth. They weren't interested in doing this. Why, Bill? Why would they not be? Because there is an arrogance in this administration

that they think they know better. And there is honestly, they were more concerned about the optics of chaos than they were about doing the hard thing. This is an administration that seems to be afraid of making the tough decisions. They're afraid of making... Optics of chaos.

...the hard call, right? So they were more concerned about the narrative on television being, oh, this is bad, than actually having to take, roll the hard six and see, you know, what, we're going to take something that might not be politically popular here. Just to clarify, and that's an interesting point you make, because they seem to have that issue 100% with foreign policy. Yes.

Domestic policy, they have no problem telling people to shut up and do what you're told. Correct. So it makes no sense. It skits a frenic in its nature, right? It seems like there's the foreign policy aspect of this White House that is very afraid of the world and is very afraid of how the American people are going to react to whatever they do. And so they choose to just simply do nothing.

And by doing nothing, they actually engender the very worst outcome that they fear them. They're receiving too much ground, autographs, for sure. So go from there, go, because right now, if you look at the news, you're not really hearing as much about Afghanistan as you do three months ago. You're going too soon. I've been, see, I haven't busy. I don't just sit.

So what's going on behind closed doors? I don't just sit around and wait for the media to call me. Yeah. So the last major media appearance I did was on the 14th of September. Andrea Mitchell had me on her show. I had just spent that morning watching Secretary Blinken get hammered by members of the House of Representatives and the day before he had been before the Senate.

And it was abundantly clear to anybody who watched, we weren't getting answers. We were getting kabuki, right? They were using Afghanistan as a cudgel. Both sides were retreating into their narrative. Democrats were saying we did no wrong. Republicans were saying you're the worst thing ever. And nobody was actually getting to the bottom of what went wrong and how do we prevent it from ever happening again. But would blink in the worst part about that was he, he seemed as interested in the process. He was like, it was performative. It was just there to like check a box, right? This is the time that I come and get yelled at,

and then this is it, right? That's how it seemed to be. It's like, okay, I've done my two days in the hot seat, and that was Afghanistan. Yeah. 20 years, $2.2 trillion, over 2,600 Americans killed in action, over 21,000 Americans injured, not counting the 66,000 plus Afghan military members,

not even the civilians who died in this war. You don't just do two days of hearings. So I said on TV, she asked, you know, what do you think of this? And I just spoke the truth. I said, I think what was needed was a 9-11-style commission that was properly constituted to, in a bipartisan, or even nonpartisan nature, investigate the entirety of the Afghan war. What does that exist?

It will now, because guess what? For the last three months, I have been very quietly working this issue. So Tammy Duckworth saw me on Andrew Mitchell and called me up and said, we agree. We're writing something called the Afghan War Commission Act of 2021, we need your help. They then had me call up some Republican members of the Senate

that I know and get them to jump on board to cosine and subco-sponsor this piece of legislation. And then I did the same thing in the House of Representatives. So much for those social circles, buddy. It passed the House two weeks ago. It's in what's called the conference package of the National Defense Authorization Act. So, the House has already passed their version of the law that funds the Defense Department for the next year. The Senate is supposed to be passing it at some point this week.

It's considered non-controversial, right? So, it is going to absolutely pass when the Senate votes on this thing. It's part of the language that everyone already agrees on that it's simply just their waiting for a vote. As soon as the Senate votes on it, it goes to the President's desk and it will be signed. And what this is going to do is going to transform the discussion on Afghanistan. Because this commission will exist for the next four years.

It's modeled after the 9-11 commission. So it's eight Republicans, eight Democrats. No one can be elected and beyond the commission at the same time. You can't hold federal office in any way. No one can be elected and be on the commission at the same time. Correct.

So there's nobody who's using it to like, current, yeah, politically grandstand. I got you. You're not using it to just get sound bites to help with your next election. Sure. It is going to have this is what there's never been anything like this American history. It has the purview to investigate the entirety

of the Afghan war. All 20 years. All four administrations. All four white houses. All four intelligence communities. All four defense departments. All four states. Who's not happy about this and who's happy about this? I would imagine that if you served in Washington in the last 20 years and worked on Afghanistan, you're probably going to get called by the commission at some point to testify. Some people are going to be thrilled at that. Some people are going to absolutely not want to be involved. So give me a minute. Like, who's not going to be a happy boss?

I am positive, probably, that Jake Sullivan in the White House and Mark, for example, Ron Klein, the current chief of staff, probably are not going to enjoy their time. I am absolutely positive that Trump people are not going to enjoy their time. I'm absolutely positive that Trump people are not going to enjoy their time, particularly Pompeo in front of this commission, right? Because this commission is going to get to the bottom of things. It's going to figure out what went wrong.

Where did the war pivot? Why did we end up losing? Because this isn't what winning looks like. Most importantly, at least for me as a veteran, my hope is that what comes out of this is policy and procedures that prevents the chaos that we saw at the end of a war from ever happening. We have to fundamentally change how we go to and come home from war.

So, let me give you a cynical citizens perspective on that. I mean, that's, it sounds good, but at the same time, for my adult life, I've lived and I've never once seen any politician outside of maybe Ron Blegoyevich ever held accountable for anything that they've ever done. True. I've never seen anybody in any capacity that was a civilian contractor be held accountable for anything that I've done. I think I read once, at the 2.2 trillion that we spent, over $2 trillion went to civilian contractors. I mean, there's a lot of people that became mega wealthy off of this. And they profited immensely off of this,

and we live in a society where rich people don't go to jail. So what does this hope to accomplish? I hear this, and I say, okay, there's another couple billion dollars about to be spent on government lawyers. There's another years of hand-ringing that's gonna be done. And at the end of it, nobody goes to jail.

At the end of it, nobody's held accountable. It's the Panama Papers. It's, I mean, who went to jail for the Panama Papers? Julian Assange, the guy who was right about everything. So I mean, listen, I'm not trying to diss I'm not trying to, to dissuade you in any way from this, nor could I, but I just, from our perspective, it's like, man, what do we do as citizens? Because these people are never held accountable. This is what we do. I know that, I look, I get it. Accountability begins with an investigation.

It begins with shedding light on what went wrong. Showing few Americans actually know what happened in Afghanistan, right? That this is where that accountability begins, that word that you use accountability is so important. It's what veterans talk about all the time, right? Because at my level in the military if I had fucked up, I go to jail, right? I go to the brig, I get court martial, that can be punished.

Yep. A general mess is up, they get to retire brig. I get court martial that I can be punished. Yep. A general messes up, they get to retire and they go get to sit on a board somewhere. We bomb and we kill seven people. Seven people. Seven people. Seven people. As a buddy of mine said, the defense department

regrets to inform that your entire family has been killed due to processes and procedures not being properly filed. Like, come on. Yeah. Come on. I had a buddy in mind in Afghanistan, I brought to hell this, like his feet to the fire

because of a firefighting when she had a call in an air strike and ended up killing some civilians, right? And it was a legitimate air strike. And his feet was held in the fire because they wanted to make absolutely sure that all the right things were considered before they dropped these bombs. These drone strikes, that's the difference now with warfare, man. If you don't have people on the ground identifying people, you're just trying to rely on some

kid over a Nellis Air Force base in Nevada to try to figure out if the dude there is, I mean, they killed the guy in Afghanistan we're talking about right now because he was packing water jugs into his car. That's why he was killed. It looked like he was packing what they thought were explosives. That's called a war crime, isn't it? It is. It is.

And yet we don't hold anybody accountable. This is how we hold. So what you're working on right now, is that public info? Do people know that you're working on this or it's private? No, this is going to be public. I mean, I'm telling you now, first person.

There will be a big media blitz about this coming out. I'm going to be putting my horn, trust me. Because I put my head down, I had to get this done. This is actually how shit gets done in this country is these commissions. Think about this way. My buddy Paul Reikoff, who is one of the founders of an organization called the Iraq and Afghan Veterans of America. Paul is in Iraq Warvet and he's currently teaching a class at Amherst College, his alma mater, on 9-11. And everyone in the class was born after 9-11,

which to me is my boss, right? Yeah, that's interesting. He said the most invaluable teaching tool he has is the 9-11 Commission report. I don't know if you've ever read it, but it's actually the most easily readable government document ever made. It reads like a book.

It doesn't read like a boring government document. We all live through 9.11. I'm sure for a lot of us, myself included, it feels like I'm back there yesterday if I talk about it, right? But my daughter, who was born in 2012, has no clue. This is gonna be an invaluable resource for her. There's gonna come a time in our country's history where there are going to be Americans who look at Afghanistan

the same way some of us look at like World War II and Korea and Vietnam. We don't have a contextual experience with it. It's something that our parents and grandparents did. It's something we read about, right? I'm hoping that the report that comes out of this is as invaluable to future generations is the 9-11 commission. Because again, we've never done a post-mortem at the end of a war like this. We've never sat down in the military call an after-action review. The joke would be nobody's going home

until everybody gives me three positives and three negatives, right? Right, right. That is what we're gonna be doing now. We're gonna be doing a proper after-action review of everything that went right and wrong in the war. And this is good business, right? Because this helps us prepare for the next war, too.

Yeah. So go to it, though. Go to do in regards to what we heard. So the moment Afghanistan was taking place three, four months, you saw the interviews I was going on with the Taliban. And you saw how the Taliban interviews were, well, they're saying they're going to be good to women. They're saying they're saying they're gonna treat them,

they're saying, you know, when you would see the interview as one of the Taliban would say, you're talking about 20 years ago, things have changed. I just saw six change. Just saw 60 minutes this weekend. I saw that, yeah, we're not saying that. We're talking about. We are taking care of women.

That's an old thing you're thinking about. And then you hear the stories where a video you see a 55 year old, 60 year old man taking a 12 year old girl to be his wife because the mom and dad are giving her up because they need money for food and you say, wait a minute, that doesn't match what you just said. And being a Middle Eastern,

having been born and raised in Iran, heard a lot of those stories, saw those stories personally, saying yeah, this is what could happen in a place like that. From your perspective, having contacts up there, having people up there, what's going on in Afghanistan right now? It is the nightmare we predicted it would be. So women have no place in society.

They're trapped at home. Compulsory education for women ends the minute they reach puberty. They're not allowed to go to schools. So CBS like? It's CBS might be talking like the Taliban like, think of like North Korea, you go to North Korea, a lot of people go to North Korea, they get like the official tour, they take you to all the things that are open.

Everything else is actually closed. You don't get to really see the poverty behind the scenes. It's the same thing as the Taliban. There's the dime tour that they take for a media on. You go out and actually talk to the people in the country though, and people are starving. As we predicted, this winner is gonna kill more people through starvation and exposure

than the Taliban could ever possibly hope to with their bombs and bullets. And the reason why is because the international community fed and fueled Afghanistan for the last 20 years. Afghanistan is holistically dependent on imports to feed and survive its population, right? The Taliban have no international contact or support. They don't know how to manage the economy.

So what they've done is they have completely become dependent on Pakistan. They're selling off U.S. made military equipment to Pakistan to try to feed themselves. What aid they are getting from the world food program, I can show you right now if you want. This is, I gotta, this is sent to me two days ago. Here I'll show you a picture. The Taliban are refusing to give out food aid

to anybody other than Taliban fighters. So if you are here, this is sent to me by a source in Afghanistan. So it's a picture. Let me air drop it to him so he can put it on the screen. Sure. So it's similar to the horror stories that we've heard of. Yeah.

Moga D. Shoe back in the 90s. It's just as bad. Like people are selling their kids. VT studio, I'm a VT MacBook Pro. The kids are people are selling their kids to feed themselves. There's a picture on social media this morning of a guy literally selling his shoes in Kabul to try to buy food for his kids. There is a, the BBC had an article today, no, the New York Post had an article today about

an Afghan woman who sold one of her twins to help buy food for the other way. I mean, people are making- Selling to who and for what? Like other people. People selling the children and for what? Like- Other people. People selling the children. Yeah. Sold one of her twins. Yeah.

So that she could buy food for the other one. It's in the New York Post this morning. But this picture that you're putting up- It's Mario. I don't know why Tyler's putting up Mario's picture. It's, give me a second, I'm fine with it. This was a pick and buy a source I have in Afghanistan. Help him out.

It shows, there it is. Go back down the right bottom. Right bottom. It's a Mario. You're worried about what you're going to show next to your target. Yo. Here we go. So those are the Taliban.

They're standing in front of World Food Program and UNA. So that's actual food. And then winter blankets and everything that come from the United Nations, via the World Food Program. The Taliban in this photo are distributing it in, I believe this is in Helmand or Kandahar. And what my source who is in the room was telling me is that the Taliban were saying that this is only for their people. If you fought again, if you didn't fight with them or for them, your source is in the

room. Yes, taking that photo. And what he was being told was that because they were basically, you had to prove that you fought with a Taliban to get this aid. They can, so there's a, trust me, I've been begging the US government to make a deal because these people are transactional. You know, our food and fuel for their people. But let me read something to you.

Let me read something to you. But apparently, by the way, that's not diplomatically loud. We don't put conditions on food aid, even though they put conditions on who they distribute. Well, Taliban pleads with Washington to show mercy and compassion and release $10 billion and frozen funds. Yep. When it ceased control of Afghanistan, Afghanistan's foreign minister, American Mutaki, said the funds would help millions of countries citizens that are in desperate need.

He also claimed Afghanistan's new Taliban rulers are committed in principle to education and jobs for girls and women in a marked departure for their previous time in power. We saw history of repression and human rights abuses. Mutaki comments are not the first time he made a plea for the funds from Afghanistan Central Bank to be released. However, in October, Dept United States Treasury Secretary Wally Adiyamou told the U.S. Senate Committee that he saw no situation in which the Taliban would be allowed to access the reserves.

What's the likelihood of these guys getting the reserves? Never. Okay. All right, so that's good news if they're not going to get the reserves. So even the current administration is not going to release it. This current administration, I honestly couldn't tell you what a Trump administration would do. I think he is such a moron when it comes to this stuff that he might actually think that

he could get a deal with them and give them the money thinking that somehow it's going to lead to better or whatever. Who's a moron? Trump. You think Trump's a big moron, then Biden? When it comes to foreign policy, absolutely. They surrendered to Afghanistan to the Taliban. The deal they signed in Doha, that's why the commission is so important.

You can't just look at one part of Afghanistan. You have to look at the whole narrative. And everything changes after Doha. The Taliban were high-fiving each other in the room. Do you get that? They literally high-fived each other after Pompeo signed the deal. Because they realized that they had won. The deal that we signed obligated us to pull all of our contract support from the Afghan military.

Everything. We used to, we did all of their maintenance on their aircraft. I have friends of mine who are Afghan Army Special Forces that are now fighting a resistance in Pontchair. And what they told me was that they were in the middle of a battle. When all of a sudden their air support just disappeared. It just went away. There was no one flying helicopters. Their intelligence went down. Their communications went down. Why? Because all of the contractors that were actually providing those services, like US contractors that were contracting the Afghan military, under the deal we cited with the Taliban, had to be pulled by July. There was,

we signed a surrender agreement. He signed that. I don't care how popular he might be about anything else. When it comes to Afghanistan, that man surrendered the country to the Taliban. So it would be more accurate in your mind to consider this a retreat, now that withdrawal, is that? I don't know what you would call, no, this wasn't, whatever, it just happened in August is beyond retreat.

It's a fiasco. That was a collapse. That was a complete and total abandonment of a country. And that was why we were trying to warn about. We saw all of this coming and we understood that the only way you were going to properly prevent the chaos that you ended up experiencing in the waning days of August was if we had begun this evacuation in the middle of winter when we controlled every single airfield in the middle of winter when we controlled every single airfuel in the country, when we still had 2,500 troops, that the Taliban were afraid of,

that they wouldn't engage with, right? Because they understood that if they escalated violence, it was going to be returned to a war that they understood that they were winning at that point. Look, the one time I ever got to talk to a member of the Taliban was 2008. We had just gotten into a battle that morning. The Taliban had taken on an Afghan police force that we had been training. And these guys had just gotten back from like,

they're training. So they were actually pretty proficient at that point. They didn't sold off all their weapons and equipment at that point. Taliban engages this unit. The Afghan police end up killing most of them. By the time we're able to get to the police, they've actually executed.

They had captured a bunch of these guys live and they shot most of them in the back of the head. All but one guy. So I get this guy, we explain to the Afghans that they can't kill him, that he is now a prisoner of war, he has rights, and he has to come with us for questioning because he's more valuable life. So I take this guy over and we're now waiting for a helicopter to pick him up and take

him away. And I realize I get a chance to talk to the Taliban. I've never seen my enemy up close. I finally get a chance to talk to this guy. So I sit down as close as I am to you, and I take off my helmet. He looks at me, he's terrified, he's in flex cups. And so I make the universal symbol of, do you want something to drink and eat?

He nods. So I have some food and water brought over, and then I take a sip of the water, and I eat a bit of the food to show him it's not poison, and he can trust me. And then I make the universal symbol, do you want to cigarette? Same thing.

I light up a cigarette, my mouth, take a drag, show that it's not poison, hand it to him. And then as he's sitting there and he's smoking a cigarette and he's drinking water and he's eating some food and he kind of calms down a little bit, I asked him, I said, can I ask you a question? When was the last time you had something to eat today? And he said, actually, I haven't eaten in two days. I said, really, do you understand that my country's flying in crab legs from Alaska tonight in steak because it's Tuesday, and that's how they feed us on Tuesday.

But you haven't eaten it two days. I said, do you have how many bullets you had on your person when we captured you? He shook his head, no. I said, I counted your weapon. You had eight bullets in your weapon. Eight. I have 300 just in magazines on my chest alone.

There's another 20,000 rounds in my truck, right? I said, do you have an Air Force? No. I said, do you have artillery? Well, we have some orders. But I said, what happens if you, if I injure you? Do you have a doctor or a hospital that comes against you? He goes, no, unless we can get back to Pakistan,

we'd probably die. I said, do you understand, then, that if you hurt me, my government is going to spare no expense to make sure I can come back here and kill you? I have an Air Force brother. I got artillery. I got better armament. I got better arms. I'm better fed. I'm better equipped. Why in the hell are you fighting me? Because I'm not here for your women. And I'm not here to convert you away from Islam that you've been told. I'm just here to make sure that your country isn't used to one day attack mine again,

and maybe possibly give your kids a better chance. So why are you fighting me? I'm not your enemy. This guy who had a chronic education, meaning he went to a madrasa and he memorized the Quran as his schooling. Sits in front of me, takes a drag on this cigarette, points at my watch and says,

you Americans have all the watches, we have all the time. This was 2008. I knew at that moment we were gonna lose. I knew at that moment he understood how to better articulate their strategy for victory than we ever were able to. In 20 years in Afghanistan, I challenge you to find what the definition, the US government definition

of victory in the war was. It does not exist. I looked. Donald Roebstfeld actually said out loud he had no idea what he was doing there and he didn't know how to define the enemy. The closest we could get to, and that might have been the most honest answer anybody ever said in government. The closest I ever heard was it was the absence of al Qaeda and the Taliban.

Well, the absence of an ideology, once it's embodied in one person, you can't defeat it. I want to address something here, because you went through a lot of different things there, and I want to kind of bring you back a little bit. So number one. It's a powerful story. It is a powerful story.

You have the watches, we have the time, absolutely. It tells you who has leverage, because it's a story of patience, okay? It's outlast. We're going to outlast you, and eventually, we'll flip on you, and we'll get what we want. Well, I'll plead you. But this is the point I want to make to you.

So number one, you said Trump is at what word did you call him? You said he's a sweetheart, he's brilliant, he's a genius, what was the word you, I forgot. Oh, you're a moron. Okay, that's the word you use. And you said because he pretty much gave him a what? That we're going to, you know, by July the contract's all this other stuff. It's the worst deal on the planet. A little bit out though.

You leave a little bit out. You sound like the part that I'm gonna give you a little bit of pushback, here's the following. Why is it that the one thing Obama and Biden haven't common, everything bad that happened during their administration was bushous fault and Trump's fault? Why is that?

Why was it with everything bad thing that happened in Trump's administration was a bomb as fault? But wait a minute. But what you're doing is you're playing to that. So set that part aside because the agreement, if you look, let me finish. I agree. I'll listen to you for 10 minutes. The agreement was, yes, here's the contract in July.

But it was also we leave properly in May in the right sequence. The biggest challenge with here is Trump's not the president anymore. So you can't say, oh, it's Trump's watch. It is not on Trump's watch. They can sit there and say whatever they want to say about this guy. Trump, he was this, he was that, he was this, he's a negotiator, he enjoys it. I think he's a guy that gets a kick out of sitting there and he thinks he can outsmart some of these guys. You can outsmart shady people. And a Taliban, you're not sitting now with business people.

This is not like business men and women that you're dealing with, law and order and rules and guidelines and all these different regulations that you gotta deal with. They don't give a shit about law and order. You're not dealing with people that are reasonable like you.

So I agree with you on that side. You know the famous line with Reagan, what was famous lamb with Reagan? We don't negotiate with terrorists. That's a famous line. Okay, well, he did. There's no reason to go negotiate there. However, bring it to today. Biden has all these people around him. You claim you listen to your generals. You got mille when they went through that whole thing. nobody answered anything. They were afraid to blame Biden. They were afraid to take responsibility because the careers was on it. People are just kind of sitting there saying it was as if everybody was walking on eggshells and we learned nothing about what happened. So maybe the July agreement wasn't negotiation, but I don't put Trump as a dummy because when people sit there and try to underestimate this guy would be an

ademi, I don't think anybody we've had as a president the last 30, 40 years has more experience negotiating with others in any kind of capacity than this guy does. In the area of negotiation. Now, does he have foreign policy negotiation experience like some of these other guys we've had? No. Obama was a one-term senator. How much experience does a guy have? None. Bush lineage.

He comes with a lot of experiences, one phone call away from calling. A guy that was a former director of CIA, you know what he's gonna get from that guy? He's gonna get some kind of counsel, and he's been in that life, his entire life. He's had drinks, food, dinner, with some of the most powerful people in the world.

So he's a phone call away from anybody, right? So I get Bush, I get senior because of Prescott, you know, the grandfather. I don't even get Clinton, but Clinton, maybe a little bit of experience with governor. Bro, it's color, it's color, right? I mean, I get that, I give it to him. But Biden, dude, 43 years,

did you hear what he said in all way about leaving Afghanistan, but wait a minute, do you remember what he said in all way about his? I was there. Okay, he said, if we ever leave, we cannot leave equipment behind, but wait a minute. Do you remember what he said in all weight about his? I was there. Okay. He said, if we ever leave, we cannot leave equipment behind. We cannot do this. Do you understand this is billions of dollars?

Don't you know the old adage and watch the opposite? You know the old saying Washington, show me a foreign policy issue. With George Biden's been a part of and I'll show you, no, the line is show me a foreign policy issue and I'll show you an example at which Joe Biden has been wrong. Like Joe Biden in Washington is always considered to be a positive. Never underestimate Joe Biden's ability to fuck things up. Barack Obama.

Yeah. So I was, I worked for the Central Intelligence Agency during the Obama administration and the Bush administration and I worked on Afghanistan. I specifically was part of the debate for what's called the surge. Yeah. Okay. At that time, the vice president Biden was the biggest proponent of something

we called CT light, counterterrorism light. The idea was that instead of, so Stan McCrystal wanted this surge of 100,000 troops in Afghanistan. And I understood why, because at that point, you have to understand, at that point, all of the actual like fighting prowessness in the United States military is in Iraq.

Let me give you an example. In Afghanistan, where I was, the Taliban figured out that if you could, you basically can stop our movement if you blew up our vehicles, right? And they figured out how to make more and more increasingly powerful bombs out of fertilizer and gasoline. And so we joked that they had the radio shack solution

to the war. They could blow up a $1.3 million vehicle. of fertilizer and gasoline. And so we joke that they had the radio shack solution to the war. They could blow up a $1.3 million vehicle with about 20 bucks worth of fertilizer and gasoline. I mean, the economics of that are just not sustainable. So what ended up happening was, was we got orders from our higher headquarters came down and said, we're sick and tired.

For example, my unit was the first unit ever to be issued with called an M-Rap. A mine resistant ambush protected vehicle. Again, these cost $1.3 million per chassis. Okay, per chassis. We're issued. Well, the entire, what's the GDP of Afghanistan? I, I'd have to look it up.

I mean, I'm sure, I'm sure the M-Rap budget probably was the GDP of Afghanistan, but We were issued four of these in April of 2008 four as of the first of May three of them were destroyed the Taliban blew three of them up in five days Where's the Taliban getting support from man because Pakistan Russia Iran They there's no way they're figuring this out But well actually they were really smart

They had mobile training teams that went around and experimented on us and actually figured out that how did There's no way they're figuring this out. Well, actually, they were really smart. They had mobile training teams that went around and experimented on us and actually figured out how to embed these things underneath the road. They used the road against us. They basically would put these things stacked up in a V-shape and basically boxes. And then, whenever something is happening, they put it in a culvert. So it's like where a stream undergoes underneath the road. It's like a tiny little bridge.

You stack the, you box, you basically pack the culvert with explosives. And what is not happening is that the vehicle drives over the culvert, there's an explosion that happens. The explosion isn't what kills everybody. It's the force and it's all the volume of the road coming up and then flipping the vehicle. That's what was killing people.

So I tell you all this, because it came down from our higher headquarters about mid-summer 2008. We're sick and tired of losing vehicles and people. We have... In that order, probably. Yeah. We have these engineering assets that are called route clearance patrol. So, these big...

You think the vehicles we drive are big and expensive? There's our way bigger and way more expensive. And they're designed specifically to go out, and they clear the path in front of you. They clear the whole road of roadside bumps. We had three of these packages, for like three of these route clearance units for the whole country in 2008. Do you understand how long missions then back up,

because you're waiting for one of these three assets to be available? So what Macrystal is saying is, I need everything from Iraq. There's only so many of these types of equipment in the U.S. military. Most of them are currently in Iraq. I want them brought to Afghanistan in such large numbers that we can basically go back out and re-wind the Afghan war. Because what a lot of people don't realize was that the Taliban basically went to Ranger School

over 2006 to 2007, and by 2008 had fought us to a standstill. And so, McChrystal comes back and reports all this and says, I need 100,000 troops. It's the only way we're going to turn the tide. And Obama's wamed the decision about whether to do this. Now, in Obama's ears, the vice president, and he's saying, uh-oh, I want that's the wrong move.

We need to go a completely different direction. We need to do something called counterterrorism light. What we need to do is we need to actually draw down our footprint. We need to reduce the number of troops in Afghanistan down to about, at that point it was around 20,000, 30,000. It was we need to get down to about five to 10. They need to be all special operations

in intelligence troops. We shouldn't have a big military footprint. We should be doing targeted strikes specifically on al-Qaeda and Taliban leadership. And that should be our only presence. And he pushed this hard, and Obama chose to go with what we called the middle option, which was not necessarily the surge,

and not counter-terrorism light. He surged by an additional 30 to 40,000 forces. It didn't work. He hedged like a politician. Yeah, he hedged. So the, this is, Biden, by the way, the reason I bring those up, this has been in the back of the Biden's head since that moment. But this is what you got to understand.

And this is where I think American needs to understand. This is where our journalism in this moment is failing us. Yes. Because if we believe the Hunter Biden emails, if we believe that he's, that the big guy is getting tens of millions of dollars from Chinese corporations, from Pakistani corporations, from Ukrainian and Russian corporations, while this is happening, he's advocating against the people who are fighting our own dreams, advocating, he's doing business for it, the very least, doing business with him for the very people who are fighting against our own troops in a proxy war.

And this guy is now the president of the United States of America. I'm not, there's no way to make an allegation about that. There's a lot of correlation there. You know, correlation isn't causality, but it's worth investigating, man, seeing okay, who exactly was paying him how much money, how much influence did he have, and how much influence did they have supporting

the enemy of America at that time? Now, in fairness, to anybody listening, my personal bias is I don't think we should have ever been in Afghanistan. I don't think we should have ever been in Iraq. I think the Patriot Act is the single worst thing that's ever befallen planet Earth from a geopolitical standpoint.

Okay, I think Donald Rumsfeld's one of the most evil human beings to ever walk the face of the Earth. And I find it hilarious that I marched against no blood for oil in college. And now Dick Cheney and the Cheney's are team Biden. And now everybody on the left in America is a war hawk. You know, how things, times have changed in 20 years,

blows my mind. You know, but in your estimation, and your passion about this, and first of all, thank you so much for your service, and I'm glad a guy like you's on our side, how do we, you said that the economics run sustainable? The economics of imperialism are unsustainable. How, you have to decimate an entire country,

then you have to occupy it for generations. You know, so the concept of going in as a peacekeeper and setting these places up, you don't, America. We, the revolution, we didn't beat Britain. We just not lasted them. We made it, we waited until it was unpopular enough at home and they were like, these are our cousins, let them have the place.

The War of 1812, they came back and kicked a shit out of us. And then thank God Napoleon got, got ANSI and said I'm going to fight. Otherwise, we'd still be British again. And then Vietnam, over and over and over, the economics of imperialism, unless you're going to go in on some von Klaus which shit and just mow everything to dust and start over, you can't do this anymore. You can't fight these wars. They're unsustainable.

Which is why this commission is so important, right? Because we have to fundamentally change how we go to and come home from war, right? And if we change what we're going into and we have a different end state in mind, right? All right, you just described it perfectly. For too long our end state has been the World War II model. We come in, we beat you, right?

We're now in charge. You like the Japanese and the Germans go along with it and don't fight back. How often does that actually happen? By the way, Van Claus, which is how we win World War II, we basically steamroll both of that, right? We actually drop atomic weapons on another country that's how we get these people to capitulate every other example that you there's a profit incentive

that's again that's what we have that you're at the economics of imperialism don't work the way that we go to war doesn't work uh... and it needs to be fixed it this can't happen again what was the very first thing that by the new uh... secretary defense did he gave a two hundred fifty million dollar contract to rafion right

who did he work for before you secretary to revolve indoor how's that okay was supposed to have ethics laws in this country there was there's supposed to be a more a on, you know, lobbying and everything. But again, as you pointed out, the rich and the elite and the powerful get to have special privileges. Do you think that ever goes away?

Yes. How? No, but your strategy where you're going to, do you think this ever goes away? Show a theme in history where that's goes away. Show a theme in history, or that's gone away. Uh, Marie Antoinette would say it goes away. Okay. The, the powerful can only sustain power for as long as the power less agree that they're powerless. Right? Especially domestically. I've never in a million years would have thought that you could shut New York City down for two years. And the New Yorkers would go along with it.

I never, in a million years, growing up in that area, I would have never thought that people would be like, you know what? Yeah, you know, I'll go bankrupt, it's fine, I don't mind. Yeah, whatever it takes. I know that this doesn't make any sense, wearing masks, six feet apart, you know, the bumps on the subway, they're walking around doing everything you're telling everybody, not to do, and they're surviving for years. But no, I, whatever, whatever you say to Blasio,

in a million years I would have thought there would have been a riot, I would have thought there would have been a revolution, I would have thought there would have been people, you know, Tard and Feathered and ran out of town on a pole. And it's not happening anymore. It turns out, you know, they said the pen was mightier than the sword, the camera phone is mightier than the sword

been. The camera phone is the most powerful weapon ever created. People are so afraid to, you know, and I think the problem pad becomes in this moment, you talk about law and order a lot, then this moment, it's such a dangerous moment because the only people that are making any sort of positive moves are the type of people that have absolutely no regard for the consequences of law and order, criminals, autocrats. You know, what this is really going to be for people looking back at this 500 years, you

were talking about 14, 19. People that are writing about this time, they're going to say democracy may be a great idea, but as long as there are autocrats and dictators, you may not be able to sustain it. So there's a guy named Benjamin Barber who wrote a book called Strong Democracy Back in the 90s. And basically what he argues is that there's a progression of democracy that coincides with the progression of economies. So economies go from agrarian to industrial to post-industrial or what we would call basically creative economies, right? And we're in a creative economy.

We're post-industrial. Britain's post-industrial. Korea's post-industrial. Japan's post-industrial. What Emil Paglius talked about this a lot, this is where Androgyny comes in. So what he argues though, is he says that the sort of the harmony state of that we all grew up thinking of what capitalism and nation-state relations and democracy should look like,

is the post-World War II environment pre-true globalization. What he basically calls is like the 50s in the 60s. And what he argues there is that before you had transnational corporations, economies had companies that were based only in the United States, right? You know, Disney was just an American company, forwards an American company, right? So they're subject to American law, and if they want to do business, they follow American

law. They don't really have to worry about, like, Yes and no, though. I mean Coca-Cola made Fountain and sell sugar water in the Nazis. But that's where he gets the point is, once you you have he argues that once you have transnational corporations Once capitalism expands the on the borders of the nation state Transnational corporations actually come the most powerful entity on the planet, right? Because they're beyond government regulations are to argue with that. Okay. So what Benjamin Barbar argues is that the only way to actually

Really in the negative effects of Rampant runaway capitalism, which we have Robert Barons. Well, that's corporedism. It's not really capitalism. Global federalism. No. Yeah.

No. It's the only, and I'm going to be honest here, I think that's where we move as a species. That's what they're trying right now. The idea, the idea, look, you have on your list, you're this crap. So the problem is government so we need uh... more global bureaucracy it's you have to think of it you're thinking of as whole one government like

you and think and i'm talking about more like united states of earth where gijing pang is in charge of earth not it's a democratic elected thing okay what's who's agreeing to that i'm telling you i think that's where we move to gijing pang is a green there's no way the nation's to, if you are fundamentally arguing for the nation state, which has been around since the idea of the Treaty of Westphalia,

I think at this point honestly, you're arguing from a 20th century mindset. We're beyond it. We're beyond it. We're in something different. Oh, I disagree with you. We're, we are, we are, we are a, I'm telling you right now,

this is where the human race is headed. Whether you like it or not, this is where I guarantee, I predict within a hundred years. You think there's gonna be a common language within a hundred years? I don't know. We're moving towards one. No.

We're moving towards, we're moving towards, capitalism pushes us this way. No, stop. Oh my gosh, capitalism pushes us this way. It does, what, what, the efficiency? The efficiency of being able to... No, the efficiency of one... There's no way.

Listen, let me ask you a question. How long are you going to tolerate if I slap you on the back really hard? How many times? How often... If I keep doing it to you right, if I get up right now and come to your back, and I just start slapping your back really hard,

how many times can I get away with it? Probably once. Okay, that's what I'm trying to say to you, right? But let's just say you're like, your first reaction is going to be what?'m trying to say to you, right? But let's just say you're like, your first reaction is going to be what? It doesn't matter with you, right? Stop. But you're first going to say,

what? Stop. If I do it again, if I do it again, you're not probably brawling over here, right? Okay. I don't think, I think the history of mankind, you've always had people that are driven by power and control and you've had people that are driven by freedom and control and you have people that are driven by freedom and leave me the hell alone.

One group masters the art of manipulation. The other group masters the art of persuasion. The strength of those that are driven by power and manipulation is they sell their concept more because they're better at bitching and crying and complaining because they have more time on their hands. The weakness of those who are driven by freedom leave me alone. Is they're so occupied, building something, creating something, winning for them and their families. They don't have time to bitch, they don't care to bitch, they're not going to go out and try to do anything to you. But if you sit down with them and you have the ability to reason, they can persuade you

and say, here's why I live my life this way, right? If the person's willing to be open to it. Historically, go and look at religions. Many people will say most religions were created to control a populace. Let's just say, I'm a Christian, some say you know that is a form of you know the tank commandments to get people to not do anything to each other You know don't do anything to a guy's wife and don't murder and do this fine You take a hundred different religions and you put the structure together But 90% of it is what similar things you and I get to pick and choose you want to be a Christian Presbyterian

You know, whatever you want to be. Similarities right there. Jewish Christians, pretty much the same thing. Christians have one other guy that came afterwards. And they think he's a Jew. Christians think he's a Jew. Christians think he is the Messiah, right? Okay. But the ability to want to control isn't anything new.

The difference is people are a little bit, more, not a little bit, more wiser today. The negative side of it is we have a million and one distractions today that we didn't have before. This is the ultimate distraction that we have today, right? So where am I going with this? Here's where I'm going with this. I don't think, you know, I think there's a point where you can't push people that are

driven by freedom too much. I think if you cross that line, you're going gonna see a side of theirs you've not seen before. I think that's kinda the direction we're going right now. People are rising up, you're a guy that voted for Biden, you go up against them, and you're willing to come to a podcast like this and have a conversation, and we go back and forth, and the people that win today's the audience because the audience sees us having differences,

we're having this discourse, and they walk on and say, screw Pat, screw Matt, screw J Jard or dude Jarrars my guy I agree with them. I wish Adam was here. Pat's wrong. Whatever they're gonna do But the audience is winning right now, right? My concern is the following. Here's what my concern is Recently if we look at what happened with coronavirus and COVID the pandemic Have you followed the what is that? The event 201 have you followed anything with the event 201 you followed the what is that the event 201? Have you followed anything with the event 201?

You followed event 201. So if you want to pull up event 201 just pull it up on Google and I'm curious to know what you're going to say about this. So event 201 is hosted by economic world economic forum. This is public info. This is not a conspiracy theory or anything like that. This is just something everybody knows about. So event 201 was hosted. This was in October of 2018, October of 2018, the John Hopkins Center, Health Security and Partnership

with the World Economic Forum and Bill and the Gates Foundation hosted an event 201 high level pandemic exercise on October 18th, my birthday, 2019th in New York, New York. The exercise- illustrated areas where public-private partnerships will be necessary during the response to a severe pandemic in order to diminish large-scale economic and societal consequences. This is October 18th. Look at the suggestions. Two months later,

the pandemic happened. Look at the suggestions. Can you, can you, you're on Google? Yeah, let me, what do you mean the suggestion? They, they, well't want to I don't want to bog down the podcast but with this if they go one step further they gave suggestions from their report and it was to sensor social media not allowed discord everything happened the last two years. Can you can you can you go on Google Go ahead and Google. What you'd type in are we ready? No, no, not rare. Are we? All right, buddy. Come on. Are we ready? My name Matt Zeller and then the word Syracuse. Okay. Yeah. No, no, go back up to are we ready to actually read that up? No, no, go back up to are we ready to see actually do that? Um, um, my nightmare of the experiment.

Take my name out of it, put are we ready and then actually put take my name out of it. Sorry, and put strategic national stockpile. To circle back to what you were saying, we're waiting. Yeah, you know, I think you're right. There you go. Right there. Thanks. You're all right. Hang on one second. Okay. So this is my master's thesis.

Yeah. Go ahead and scroll down. Take a look at the date. Oh six. All right. So in 2006, this team and I were hired by the United States House of Representatives on the committee and Homeland Security to evaluate that point, the pandemic influenza response plan for the United States and the poke holes in it. And to see whether or not it would work. And what we learned was that if a pandemic ever hit this country, we were well and truly fucked. It's what we learned. So we wrote this report.

And in our report, we didn't choose a SARS COVID virus. We choose something that was actually scarier, which is H5N1. So H5N1 is a bird flu that has a higher lethality than Ebola, and if it ever actually became airborne and was easily transmissible, it would be what, it would be like with the movie contagion portrays. Like it would, it would wipe most of us out. We wrote it based on this.

The idea is that H5N1 arrives in the United States via a flight coming in from Asia and within 48 hours is everywhere. And then through this report, all the recommended foundations in this were actually ended up being enacted into law by Congress. One of the things that we proposed was regular practical exercises, teaming up private industry. You just saw the 201 exercise on a regular scale

to try to get government and private industry to begin thinking about how to work through pandemics. So I mean, I don't think that there's, those types of events happened all the time. Yeah, but let me go back to my point here. So this is, you guys just jumped in and went to a bunch of different directions. Let's stay focused for a second.

I'm trying to ask a question from you because I want to know what you're going to do. My biggest concern is anticipation of what's coming next because COVID ruined people's lives the last two years. I think that's absolutely. Both sides would agree with their school, education, kids. We don't even know the side effects of it for a long time with youth on what happened to them.

Right. My daughter is home for a year, in a half. Nine year old, the 2012. What does that do? To their development. And New York, you're saying. Yeah, no Virginia. OK, in addition to that, she's been conditioned now

to see every single human being as a potential threat to her well-being. It's very interesting, you say that, yeah, actually. Yeah. So we don't know what that feels like. We don't know what the side effects of that. We have no idea. What do you do with the kindergarten,

because you know what I mean? And now California just announced it. And it was California announced yesterday they're getting rid of LAUS. They get rid of F-Sendees. I don't know if you saw that. Oh yeah, yeah. They're getting rid of F-Sendees and Calabria.

And they're going back to indoor mask mandates. But here's where I'm going to. So I'm looking at world economic form. I'm like, okay, so you guys did this October 18th, 2019. Two months later, the pandemic hits. It's kind of weird. A lot of the stuff you guys talked about. Okay, let me put the hat on, being a little bit skeptic. Recently, they had

another one. I don't know if you saw the simulation that they did. So have you heard of cyber polygon? Have you heard about the cyber polygon being ran by a world economic forum? I know of it yet. Okay, pull that off cyber polygon. So we can look at that. So cyber polygon, if you want to pull up, uh, uh, uh, that's not the first one. There's another one you can go to. Cyber Polygon is a project that they're doing same thing again. They're testing to see what would happen if there is a cyber pandemic. So they're calling now the cyber pandemic. So cyber polygon, these days, as a desegregation gathering,

as I'm talking about, in this environment, the best strategy to safeguard our futures to build up the right skills and understand the risks involved. This is why CyberBhagun 2021 was dedicated to secure ecosystem development. Pat, if I can further... Just so people know, the world economic forum is not elected bureaucracy, it is a non-government organization.

Just like the World Health Organization. Exactly. So they have these great names as they're like the UN, as this is some sort of elected politicians, as this is some sort of elected politicians, this is some sort of collaboration of world leaders. It is not. It is a non-governmental organization. This is an international lobbying group

that has just amassed so much control over our planet. I mean, the control that the world economic forum and the World Health Organization have over our public policy is insane to a degree where sometimes it feels like they're leading our public policy, but they are not elected officials. These are not politicians. These are not people that are represented over any people of any government.

It's a very, very dangerous group. But anyway, go ahead. So they just had a meeting and they did a simulation. If you want to go to the simulation that we can read, this is Reuters article, go to the next one. By the way, these guys met in July of this year, which is quite scary because every time these guys get together and no, no, you just had it. IMF, the Israel, Tyler, you just had it up.

Yeah, I x'd out, just give me one sec. Okay, just type in IMF Israel, type in Israel. Okay, there you go. Okay, so exclusive IMF Israel. Okay, there you go. Okay, so exclusive IMF, 10 countries simulate cyber attack on global financial system. Okay, and this thing lasts like three and a half hours. If you want to go up a little bit. So Jerusalem, December 9th, Reuters, Israel,

on Thursday, let a 10 country simulation on a major attack on global financial systems and an attempt to increase cooperation that would help, could help to minimize any potential damages financial markets and banks. The simulator war game and as Israeli finance minister called it and planned over the past year evolved over 10 days with sensitive data emerging on the dark web with the simulation also use fake news reports

that in the scenario cause chaos in global markets and a run on banks if you can go a little lower. The simulation likely caused by what officials call sophisticated players feature several types of attacks that impact the global foreign exchange and bond markets liquidity, integrity data transactions between impostors and exporters. These events are creating havoc

in the financial markets set in the area of a film shown. So it's five and a half hours that you can watch this. Steve Wazniak is in it. Some of the most powerful people in the world are in it, right? Do you know what they're saying would happen if this was actually to take place? Power shut down. You don't have power. No AC, no phone, no internet, no nothing. We've got a machine, banking system. And it was in your country. It was called, it was called Super Swarm Sandy. If you lived in New York, the power went down. There were no ATMs, there were no credit cards.

You couldn't buy gas. How long did that last? You could buy gas, but it was $30 a gallon. You had to pay in cash, right? That's right. And if you didn't have cash, it was a week. One week. And it was chaos.

Okay, how about unpack the chaos? Unpack it. I live through it. Unpack it. I mean, they'd call it the National Guard if it's that bad. If what I'm saying is people who didn't live there, they don't know unpack it. You couldn't, like, imagine you need food, right?

So right now you go down, like, the grocery store, you go, you pay with your card, right? There's no card. Your card doesn't work. So, okay, you gotta get cash. Well, the ATM's are a cash and they don't have power to begin with, so how do you buy food? You're hungry, I get it.

What did you guys do? Like, I was working for Christie. You were working for Chris Christie at the time. So, what did you do? I was in there. I was in New York. I had friends who were telling me that they would literally, that they had like rations,

once you eat through your rations. What happened was capitalism. People came from other states. Some people volunteered. Other people put a whole bunch of gas in their pickup truck from Pennsylvania and went down to Jersey Shore. And was like, I got gallons of gas for 30 bucks. And then there was this whole thing

and the price gouging and the legality of it. But people would fight over like, over ATM. It's like when ATM was like working, it's been outcast. They were like fist fights that would get into it. Because you know what the wildest thing was? Chinese restaurants delivered. Yeah, yeah.

It was nuts. People would order, not everything was closed down, but Chinese restaurants would deliver to some of the so-so-hears-'s a thing, man, here's a thing. We were not ready for the pandemic, okay? America was not ready for the pandemic. We had no idea what was gonna happen, but here's what the pandemic did.

The pandemic made the creative people figure out a way to survive, right? I remember in, we're in Dallas, the pandemic comes out, non-essential, essential, our business was called non-essential, we still showed business was called non-essential. We still showed up to the office. The pandemic, we couldn't sell insurance face-to-face because people didn't want you to come into the house.

We've never sold down a Zoom. We went from selling 100% of our policies face-to-face to selling 100% of our policies over Zoom. We had to learn those skills, right? What do you think is the likelihood of something like, when world economic form gets together and talks about something like this? What do you think they're trying to say? You think something like this is possibly likely to happen in the next 12, 24, 36 months? I think that it's 100% likely at some point because it's a tool of warfare.

Who's ready? Who's ready for this? Russia. Russia's ready. Who else is ready for this? China. Who else is ready for this? Anybody who's figured out how to disconnect their country from the internet? Is America ready for this? No. Okay, so... Do you think Russia and China are that far ahead of us? Yeah, Russia actively practices drills where they disconnect themselves from the internet entirely. And Russia has an entire cyber warfare division that is charged with creating the chaos that this simulation tries to envision. And we don't.

We do. So we have the exact, like digital tools are digital tools, the digital tools, everybody can apply them the same way. It's just that they don't have as much of an interconnected economy as we do. They've figured out how to fire a wall,

their entire internet, right? So they can cut themselves off. Dictatorship. Yeah, that's the tense view. Yeah, exactly. I mean, they have a kill switch for the internet and in their countries and they can cut themselves off at any time.

That would probably be the first indication of a major cyber attack coming from one of those countries is if they cut themselves off to prevent retaliation. Really? Yeah. So if they turn their off to prevent retaliation. Really? Yeah. So if they turn their own lights off, that's the red horn. It's huge, it's huge indication. That's why we probably have to develop some type of like mutual assert destruction worked in the Cold War for preventing us from firing nukes at one each other.

We need the same thing. There needs to be some type of like side of our mutual assert destruction, but we don't necessarily have that. Unless we have back doors into their systems. Well isn't this kind of the idea of space force? I mean, I know everybody, every, you know, this community in the world, this is this is, but this to me is scarier than that. You take out, you take out a couple satellites up there and it's total darkness. Sure, sure, but in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in in this instance. With drones and balloons, we can get an internet up like that. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. You put a high altitude balloon with a repeater and you can actually broadcast as a cell network pretty high up and put an entire internet on top of something. No, the, honestly, the scarier shit is fucking up with our ground stations and like are like getting into the cyber. So like all of the computer systems in the country that run like the energy grid based off of like really, really old operating system. Somebody told me to talk about Jersey and Sandy.

Somebody told me that if the Lyndon Cogen planet gone down, that wouldn't have had power for 90 days in the entire world. That's a couple of point. If I was the Russians or the Chinese, the very first thing that I do if I'm going to engage in cyber warfare and shut down the US power grid. So here's the thing. Let me ask you, what's a job of a journalist? Is it to be, to trust everything you see or to question and be a little bit skeptical?

I think it's to report the news and, you know, be a little bit skeptical. You got to be a skeptic. Like you're a skeptic right now, you're trying to find out what the hell happened with Afghanistan. So you're going through this commission, you're getting the guys in. Everybody has that's non-current official that they don't really care about getting reelected. Republicans eight and eight Democrats, so it's a fair deal to do, right? Let's be a little bit skeptical with this, with this, what do you call a cyber polygon? What is the world economic forum? What are these powerful people who fund something like this? Which by the way, can you pull

up to find out who funds world economic forum? What are they worried about who fund something like this? Which by the way, can you pull up to find out who funds world economic form? What are they worried about? Now watch this, watch what this goes to when they unpack what their fears are. So the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic is given away to no opportunities to cyber crime. Okay, some new methods include deep fakes,

cryptocurrencies and mobile wallets, expect an increase in supply chain attacks, right? Global cybercrime predictions for 2022, fake news 2.0 and the return on misinformation campaign. Who are they talking about? Probably only one guy and that's the dummy that you're a big fan of, right? That's President Donald Trump, they fear. Fake news 2.0. Watch this. Probably watch this. Fake news 2.0 on the return of misinformation campaigns, okay? The the common fake news surrounding the contentious issues has become a new attack vector Yours or something to do misinformation. Okay, watch is throughout 2021 misinformation was spread about COVID-19 pandemic and vaccination information The black market for fake vaccine certificates expanded globally now selling fakes from 29 countries fake vaccine certificates expanded globally, now selling fakes from 29 countries,

fake vaccine passports certificates were on sale for $100 to $120. This is on their site, okay? This is on their site, which by the way, did you get the video I sent you with Mark Zuckerberg and Fauci? Pull that up real quick, which this is coming from Fauci, who is the most credible source,

apparently on the topic of vaccine and the topic of COVID. Here's what he had to say. If you have the video, I'll let you pull it up. Okay, so this is the first one. In addition, prior to 2022, 2020 US presidential election checkpoint research has spotted surges in malicious election-related domains and the use of mean camouflage.

So again, aimed at shifting public opinion and the run up to the US midterm elections in November 2022. So first of all, there's two things we learn about this. So far, one of them is that cyber polygon event that hosted by World Economic Forum, their worry is fake news to point out, which is vaccines, because you know, he's right. And number two is midterms. Those are two things they just reveal to us here's what

Fauci just had to say on Zuck by the way I don't know if you saw this raise the audio that a vaccine that look good go back Tyler actually make yeah watch this go back all the way back this would not be the first time that a vaccine that looked good actually made people worse. One of the HIV vaccines that we tested several years ago actually made individuals more likely to get infected. To get infected. Actually made individuals more likely to get infected. Did you hear what he just said, by the way? Yeah. I've been here and everywhere he said so years. So he just said, hey, vaccine, we have few friends that they're going through vaccine you know, they're going through vaccine and the next you know, they get the COVID. I thought this is supposed to be kind of helping you out. Well, maybe there's a fake God forbid and somebody says something.

So the folks that you put YouTube that monitored this stuff and shut stuff down, we didn't say that. That's your guy Fouchy that just said that. But let me continue the second one. Cybertax targeting supply chains. Supply chains. What do you mean by supply chains? The cyber cold word intensifies. Data breaches are large scale and more costly. Mobile malware attacks increase as more people use mobile wallets and platforms, payment platforms. cryptocurrency becomes a focal point for cyberattacks globally.

Attackers leverage vulnerabilities and microservices to launch large-scale attacks, deep-fake technologies weaponized. Penetration tools continue. Okay, if you wanna pull up this article, here's what I read, I wanna hear both of your thoughts. I just read this is World Economic Forum, the big guys that get together who are funding this,

say the Pfizer guys that are funding, they say the guys that are funding this, that they're worried a person cannot come in and take too much control. They're worried about elections. They're worried about God forbid somebody disagrees with them, misinformation. They're worried about what's going to happen with the crypto community because it's not regulated. They're worried about anybody that's an independent thinker and that's their cyber polygon.

God forbid people can't think for themselves. So what concerns you about something like this? What do you think about when you read something like this? Well, I'll start because I'm very interested to hear Mr. Zeller's opinion on this. But this goes to what you were saying before about the global federalism. To me, this right here is what they are striving for.

These NGOs want to take over the planet because they're the smartest people. They're the best people. This right here is what they are striving for. These non these NGOs Want to take over the planet because they're the smartest people. They're the best people. They're the most noble people eugenicists are always right and They are going to parcel out the world in a fair and equitable way with them at the top of the food chain I have no doubt that you are right in that this is the future that they see I out that you are right in that this is the future that they see. I will spend my every living breath fighting it because I don't believe they are noble and I don't believe that they are not ill-intentioned. If they were, then we wouldn't have to wait 75 years to know what's in our super serum. So my thing is this, I've been lied to too much

by people in power, my life, to trust people in power. And that's just the fact of it. I've seen too much, I've been in these rooms, and I've seen the wizard. We cannot give these people control. If you hate Donald Trump, then Donald Trump shouldn't have control over your medicine. Donald Trump shouldn't have control over your life, over Trump shouldn't have control over your life over your education

And if you if you hated that man, then why would you want that man the apparatus that that man controls to have that much influence and power over your life And now you're gonna we're gonna do that on a global scale. I'm supposed to believe that Vladimir Putin Xi Jinping and and what's his name? Putin, Xi Jinping, and what's his name? Clouc Wits, whatever, whatever, the bald socialist is. He cares. He cares. I look like a guy from a movie. He cares about me and my life.

He cares about my well-being. See these people, these greater good people, they think they're brilliant. Everybody that's ever come before them is dumb, but they have it figured out. They're gonna get it right this time. And those are the people that kill 100 million people, and then like the communist that you interview, hey, you gotta break some eggs to make an omelette.

It's for the greater good. Well, those 100 million people that died is not for the greater good. And the lying is nonstop. All right, well, you know, we tried, oh, well, we just shut your life down for two years. Oh, well, you know, things happen. And now Facebook comes out and they say the fact checkers, right, you had Zuckerberg, these fact checkers, it turns out, they're just opinions in court.

When they finally got pressed in court, they say, yeah, no, these are just third party opinions. We're presenting people with a secondary opinion. That's not how you presented it. You actually demonetized people because our fact checkers said, so frankly, I've been lied to too much to trust these people, and I think that they are too powerful in this moment. And I'll be honest, Matt, I mean, you're a Democrat, and you're one of the good guys, I'm

sure. But I think that I'm just going to be frank, and I'm going to call it as, I think the Democratic Party has been infiltrated by these international, these international coalitions, and I think that they are no longer representing the, by and large, I don't think they're representing the American people. I think they're representing the global community. And I resent the Democratic Party for that.

Hmm. What are your thoughts about this cyber polygon? That was a lot. I'm not as worried about it as you all seem to be. I think it's just an act for people. Most of these think tanks are wealthy people trying to feel important. And they spend a lot of time and money bringing people together in a room to roleplay. Because they miss being in power. They miss being in charge. they spend a lot of time and money bringing people together in a room to roleplay shit, right?

Because they miss being in power. They miss being in charge. They miss being part of the action. And this is a way to continue to have influence and stay in the game. I'm sorry, I've talked for a long time, but it's hard to say that. And then you see build back better everywhere.

They're really, yeah, some of them are really good at messaging and they get hired to do this type of stuff too, right? I am honestly, the thing that concerns me more is the chaos that would be unleashed if a nation state like Russia are trying to engage in cyber warfare. And I think it's a good thing

that we try to practice and have forum is in which we bring people together to try to think through how we're gonna manage would potentially be a horrific situation. Here's what I would challenge you back, is if you're skeptical, get involved. Why don't you ask if you can join them? I'm serious, like, or start your own,

start your own cyber thing to examine this and put out your own information. That to me, I think is the more effective thing here. Again, be good capitalists. Give them competition in the market for their ideas. That would I agree. I agree with you. I don't think there should be one entity that dominates this conversation.

I think that there should be multiple people. We get to a better solution if we have multiple people working at the problem and there's competition between each other and they're trying to come up with a better solution because they're the ones that ultimately the market's going to drive to. But when it comes to the chaos that could be potentially unleashed, if, for example, the GRU, which is the Russian military intelligence unit that have a pretty good cyber warfare capability. If they were to be, you know, truly unleashed their cyber warfare capability onto our economy and we weren't prepared, I mean, look, COVID was a pain in the ass.

Like shutting down the country for two years has sucked, right? You know how much it would really suck if the power never came back on? Like, I'd rather we at least practice it. And unfortunately, the elites are the elites of the elites because they are who they are. And they're going to organize themselves in forums like this to try to continue to have influence.

I think it's up to folks like us to challenge that influence by putting out our own ideas, by trying to engage and be involved in their discussions so that it's not just the same group of people always talking and making the decisions. But I have no problem with organizations like just trying to come together. I don't know how much influence they actually have.

You don't know how much influence the World Health Organization actually has. I don't know. I mean, the world economic. These guys, the World Economic Forum at Davos did build back better three years ago, and all you see all over the world is build back better. Yeah. It's a campaign slogan for the entire North American leadership apparatus.

Justin Prado, Justin Trudeau stands in front of signs that say, build back better. Build, there's a bill, a $3 trillion bill that's being tried. I mean, both, so like, let's be clear, everybody's guilty of this, right? If you go into the state level in the United States where the state level governments, right? There's an organization called Alec,

the American legislature, oh, hold on, I gotta look it up, but Alec is a conservative group that literally writes verbatim language that they then give to state legislations. Sure, sure. And they basically, I get it, I get it. It's like everybody does it.

Yeah, okay, but everybody does it. Okay, but we go from, we go from, they don't have any influence to everybody has this kind of influence. No, I don't, I don't, I honestly, what you're saying is, Dude, you are a man's man and you're a brilliant dude.

Be straight with me. Be straight with me right now. Do you think the current leadership of the Democratic Party specifically is beholden to the American people of the global community? I have no idea who they're beholden to at this point. I really don't. I don't know how to answer that question. I honestly don't know.

I wish I could say that they're beholden to the American people, but given my personal experience of the last year, I don't know who they're beholden to. I really don't. I also tell you this, they have a problem on their hands because they lost my vote. And they don't seem to figure that out yet. There's a sizable portion of people like me who if Trump runs again, I'm not gonna vote for Biden.

I'm not gonna vote for Trump. And that's a problem. They have unified government. This is why I think it's so important to Santa Sramsman. They have unified, they've unified government and yet they can't seem to accomplish anything. And you're right. They don't seem to be a party that cares about the average American worker anymore. And I think that's honestly why Hillary, one of the biggest reasons why Hillary was

a terrible candidate to run the first place Considering where she was politically in terms of how the American people saw her But she I agree with you. She had active disdain for the plebeian and that's the thing about it right is Trump appealed to a bunch of people who feel like they've been left behind Mm-hmm that they've been abandoned right that nobody has their back because they have been right they have been and I don't know if there is a party in this country that speaks to those people anymore. I really don't, I don't think the Republican Party, by the way, is a party anymore.

I think it's a cult. It's a cult of personality. When friends of mine like Adam can... The common enemy. When friends of mine like Adam Kinzinger and Pete Meyer don't have a home, right? When they're being actively... Just an amish.

When they're being actively primaried, like Adam's a great guy. He's a true American, he's a patriot. He gives a shit about this country, right? Pete Meyer has been a friend of mine for 15 years, right? Pete gives a damn about this country. To the point that he got on a plane in Fudan, Afghanistan in the middle of the evacuation, trying to help out,

just because he thought as a member of Congress, he might be able to get people through the gate faster. Like, he got to took a lot of shit for that, by the way, for what he did, because people call it a political stunt. He was just going over there trying to help out. Like, he's a guy who gives it. These are all people who are being actively targeted,

because they didn't bend the need of the dictator. And that's what frightens me about Trump. This idea that if you are, I'll give you a my favorite example. One of my business partners is a died in the wool Republican. During the 2016 election, he entered the election by bundling cash for Jeb Bush. When Jeb Bush dropped out, he wrote one paper,

a national security policy position paper for Lindsey Graham, because he wrote a position for Graham in the primary, the Trump world gained him not politically Allegiant enough to ever serve in the Trump White House. He was banned. He was banned He told me I cannot get a job in this administration because I didn't show enough fuel tea that terrifies the fuck out of me that that's Such mafioso shit That's now you get good governance. That's how you get nepotism. What are you? What are you talking about though like Matt like B B you say a comment

like that you got to look at it on the other side as well. You just talk about on the bite inside you know we opened up the meeting with saying how come they haven't had you on media since three four months ago. I don't want to hear truth. Yeah so so this isn't a, the loyalty is expected from both sides. And I think that's awful. And I think that's awful. And I think that's awful. I don't disagree that it's awful, but loyalty is expected from both sides.

You can't just look at it from the one side to the other side. No, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, listen, I'm not here to listen. I'm just bringing on, I bring up Trump because I personally hate the guy. Okay. And I think he is honestly the biggest threat to this country's long-term survivability. I know that you guys might be fans, but just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I just want to say that I Were Putin Here's How I Take Over. The guy is a Russian asset, and I know you don't want to hear this, but I'm telling you this is someone who used to know. I worked this. This is the steel dossier?

He's not the steel. Listen, it's his behavior. Why is it that he meets with Putin one-on-one without translators in the room, and we never get a transcript from it? Why? Because he's checking in with his fucking handler. All right? I used to do this for a living. You don't think I can look and see,

you don't think I can look across the table and see somebody that I would have recruited? He's a fucking cop. You lost me there, though. He lost me there. You lost me there. Hold on, explain why. Explain why.

All right, so the Russian playbook is all that was called different disinformation. Compromise. Sure. Compromise, I had information. I sure compromise I had Jack bar skion two weeks ago is a former KGB I'm fully aware of what you're talking about so look at how Trump then engaged with the American people Anytime he was criticized it's fake news He went and targeted people who wouldn't bend the knee look who who got attacked constantly by Trump world, McCain in particular. They went after John McCain, why? Because he was the only member of the party

without enough clout that might be able to push back on his cult of personality. So what do they do? They try to go after his legacy. They try to go after and get compromising information to him. Why is it that Lindsey Graham flips like this? Lindsey flips like this because Lindsey is garrer than the day is long and he's afraid that

that that comes out in South Carolina. He doesn't get reelected. That's why he suddenly goes from being John McCain's best friend. I remembered them when they were like, I used to hang out with these people. I saw them. They were dear friends.

You're dropping some absolute bombs right now. What does this have to do with Russia? What I'm telling you, this is it. So make your point on Russia. Trump is trained to act like a Russian asset would. He's trained to take over power in the way of Russian asset if they were in place would. Look at what he's gotten us to do. In four years, we all now yell at each other.

We don't trust anything. That was Obama's second time. But we really don't trust it now. He poured jet fuel out of it. Why, if you're an American president, is your job to unite and lead this country and make it better, or is it, hold on, do you feel like you came out of that presidency

more united or more divided? More divided, for sure. Okay, hold on, hold on. I listen to you guys talk for 10 minutes, my turn. Sure. All right, if you feel like you came out of it more divided, let me ask you this, what is the job of the American president? It's to fight for this country.

It's to make this country great. Again, for example, you really feel like you came out of this great. You really feel that the anti-mossy and the strife that we all feel when we talk about this son of a bitch is good. No, this is exactly what our enemies wanted. I agree with that. This is Putin's wet fucking dream. And so this is what what our enemies wanted. I agree with that. Putin's wet fucking dream. And so this is what I come back to.

I went to a birthday party two weeks before, two weeks after the 2016 election. It was a bunch of Polish family. They had come here, they'd grown up in Poland under communist. Yeah. I was standing on the back deck with the dad. And we were talking about the election, and I asked him, so what do you think?

And he goes, do you want my honest opinion? I go, yeah, and he goes, you Americans have no experience with what just happened to you. This is how they take over. And by the time you figure it out, it'll be too late, and it terrifies me because I love this country. And I stuck in the back of my mind this whole time, right? out, it'll be too late and it terrifies me because I love this country. And I, it's stuck in the back of my mind this whole time, right?

Sentimental story, but no, Matt, you lose. Look at the, what's fascinating is I, what's fascinating is I see it the same way, but I see it from a different perspective. So to me, I mean, everything you're saying, I agree with, but I'm saying to myself, this started with a while, a second term, the division. Look, sorry, you don't think he's an asset? Look what he tries to do. He discredits NATO.

NATO is the one thing that has kept Russia in check for 70 years. And suddenly he's questioning the thing. What's on the pay their bills? Why is it that every foreign policy thing that that man did was in favor of Putin? Why is it always benefited Putin? That is the one-

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we spiked the ball at the one-yard line. We didn't put our foot on their throat. This is a KGB officer who couldn't stand the fact that his country lost. And he's been playing the long game of resistance. Let me ask a question. Let me ask a question. So go back and tell us this saint of yours that was perfect at foreign policy. Who do you put as a standard? Who's the gold standard for you? I don't think there's a saint in the US foreign policy. But who's your gold standard? Because you hate the sky. So give us the gold standard.

Harry Truman. Harry Truman is your gold standard? Who has you hate this guy? So give us the gold standard. Harry Truman. Harry Truman's your gold standard. If you were to pick an American president that was able to articulate, I mean, Truman, the true dark. Now, you hate this guy. You hate Trump. You want to lie. I hate this guy.

I'm still curious to hear it. Yeah. Why do people like you seem to like him? Are you out of your mind? Do you know people like me? No, I like people like me escape the bullshit of people like you, the bottom two, it games me and play against guys like him. I think you're what makes this country great and I can't figure out why someone is

smart and cute. You're going to explain to you why? No, it's not, it's not, but wait a minute, you make it seem like this is a Trump podcast. No, it's not, but like I don't understand, for me, the way I look at him is binary. I can't look at him and see good things. I can look at Obama and see good things I can't look at him and see good things. I can look at Obama and see good things. I can look at Biden and see good things. I can look at Bill Clinton and see good things.

Then you're better than I am. It's not about being better than you are, buddy. It's not about that. I love America. And I don't look at people from the standpoint. I've sit down with mobsters, gangsters. I've sit down with, you know, communists. I love talking to communists because it's a great conversation for me.

I don't sit there and say, I hate this guy. See, the challenge with your side, because you sound like a broken record right now, as if it's CNN or MSNBC. Do you know what happened to their ratings when the world found out that they were full of shit with Russia? Go look at their ratings. Go look at their ratings the week after the world found out this entire dossier was funded by lady name Hillary Clinton What happened to the ratings afterwards? You know why because Americans were sitting there saying we believed you

Shift we believed you guys Como we believed you Le Mans we believed you Cooper we believed you and you fooled us and Cooper, we believed you and you fooled us. And I'm Brian Williams, who's a guy that interviewed you, says, what, I'm done with this. I'm worried because what's going on to America today. And he's stepping away. So for me, when it comes on to guys that come out and say things

like that about Trump and Russia, oh my gosh, like you, tell me one president. First of all, let's put the truth out there. Has this been a guy that his entire life has been a master troll and a bully? Yeah. Yes, I don't disagree. Has this been a guy that came from the streets of New York where negotiations are all hardcore and you got to go against other guys that are also hardcore because New York's DNA is like you are. This is what I like. Is that how New York is? Yes. This is New York's DNA. America's not Matt Zeller.

No. America's not Chris Christie. No. America's not Hillary Clinton or Trump. America's not Cuomo. America is more Tyler. America is more just a regular person that loves this country, right? Right.

Okay. And then you come out and you say Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia. When this guy was president, let me tell you what policies I like. I go policies. If you wanna talk emotion, personality, you can hate that guy's personality. You can sit there and say, this guy knows the hell out of me.

I know people that hate Obama. Hate Obama. Every Obama interview I've ever watched, whether it's with Leno, whether it's with whoever, I've never seen an interview where I didn't like hearing him speak. I would say, I'd love to watch a game with this guy. Doesn't mean I agree with his policies. So the emotions I pull out and I say, okay, let's look at policies.

When this guy took office, he was a first guy that was not afraid of facing off China. First guy, that's it. You want to do this, tariff. You want to do this, tariff. You want to do this tariff. Look what we are today. These barrels that we were getting from China that was 2500 bucks a pop now. It's what containers? $40,000 a container you think he will let them charge 40,000 dollars today

Hail to the no, but Biden says what oh? End of message End of message what end of message you're giving a speech on the guy that passed away end of message Trump stood up against China Trump was willing to sit down with these guys negotiate trump did Palestine and is like that's ridiculous to be able to do what he did 25 years economy was doing good for whites blacks asian spanish women everybody but media hated this guy why he because he called that bullshit and that's his flaw

his fault his fault was the following if somebody an advise, he gives him a fault as the following. Charles Barkley said this the other day. Kevin Durant asked him, say, how come you're not on Twitter? He says, you know, I'm not on Twitter. He says, why? He says, because I'm old school, if I'm on Twitter and people talk shit to me, I feel like it's my responsibility to respond back. That's Barkley. Guess what? That's Trump. Trump needs to avoid 99% of the shit people say to him and you just focus on the one percent. He wanted to fight everybody and he made his life a living kill. That's on him. But that's how he's wired. That comes with the territory. But to say the guys are Russian acid, Matt. I mean, you can say you disagree with his policies. You can say, you know,

you can say you disagree with his policies. You can say, you know, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, Stormy Daniels, McDougal. You can say, grab him by this with the Bush story. You can say all, you can say McCain, which was an absolute to me. What the hell are you doing going after somebody, POW, this guy served the military, you don't have the right to call out another military person.

How come all these generals, you don't get along with? What happened with matters? What, I get mille, I get some of these guys, but what happened with some of these other guys? Of course, all of that stuff fully agree. I totally get it. But sit there and just put it all blanket. Hillary Clinton just came out and said the following.

She said, I don't know if you guys read this or not. Hillary Clinton warns 2024 presidential election could be the end of democracy, national reveal. Hillary comes on warn that former president Trump is close, poised the run for election 2024, and said that if he wins American democracy will suffer irreparable damages. If I were a betting man, a betting person right now, say Trump's going to run again, I think that would be the end of our democracy not to be point about it, but I want people to understand that this could be a make it or break it point.

If you are someone of his ilk, we're once again to be elected president, especially if he had a congress that would be doing his bidding, you would not recognize our country. For many outside observers, it looks as though Trump is gearing up to launch a campaign for 2024. 90% chance the sky's running. You know what I know, he's gonna be running. But-

I agree with what she said, by the way. I think it is, if he wins, it'll be the end of our democracy. We are not a function, we're not, by the way, we're not a functioning democracy right now. No, no. People said if people should have federal... People said if Obama gets elected, communism's here. But we're not a functioning democracy anymore on a federal level.

We're not. Okay. Absolutely not. On pack, on pack, then. Okay, so how do we begin? You have one political party again that is a cult of personality. Okay, they do whatever Donald Trump wants.

There's no party platform anymore, right? There's just whatever Trump wants. And I know that you keep saying he's not a Russian asset, but why did they change the, right of the Republican Party changed the platform at the Republican Party convention in 2016 when it came to Ukraine once he took the nomination? Why was it that was changed?

Why did he try to pull us out of NATO? I'm sorry, you had everything, the one thing that you never said. The one thing that you never said to me that explained is his Russian policy. Show all the investigations. Show one proof is a Russian asset instead of just making accusations. Show the proof. For example, if somebody says, Biden, daddy, the big guy, $10 million, there is proof.

Okay. The New York Times story when it was blocked by Twitter. Look at how much money he gets through Deutsche Bank. Who do you think funds Deutsche Bank? What I'm trying to tell you is show me the last three and a half years. You know, you think he said, what kind of investigation could that done on it? He's not a shitty businessman. He can't even get landed too, but anybody else is in the one bank that the Russians specifically

fund. I'm sorry. Like, come on. Stop it. You're saying he's a shitty businessman? Absolutely. He's a shitty businessman. He's a horribly shitty businessman.

You lose incredible on that side. Really? How many of his casinos went bankrupt? How many contractors did he never pay? He's losing his hotel in Washington DC right now. How do you think business works? Really? How do you think business works?

He had daddy's money. They figured out that if he had taken the loan, his father gave him the 70s and he had simply just invested in an index fund. He'd be worth 25 billion today. That's how he's a shitty businessman. He couldn't even keep up with the market. Yeah. So that just to me bleeds envy and frustration.

You're not envy and frustration. You're upset. No, he's a silly. It's in heat. You're upset. No, he's a serious. It's totally fine if you are upset with the guy. No, when I'm upset is what he's done to my country. What he did to your country in four years. Yes.

He poured jet fuel on a fire. You're the president of the United States. You're supposed to unite us. Who's the last unify? Who's the last unify we had in America? That's a great question. I, you know, the thing in that for a long time. I've been, I've been, I've been trying to ask myself like who would be the last and it probably is Reagan. You'd think like maybe

because like we think that like when it's the last land selection. I think bill I think bill was I think bill was able to get both sides to killing. Tilling new crag is the contract with America. Fantastic. Yeah. I think you take you take Monica Lewin out. Take that out. That's fair. Okay, maybe, maybe. I say Bill and Reagan. That's kind of the style of the, the Monica Lewinsky thing, I think, is kind of the start of this Hatfield and McCoy fight that end up in Washington. Actually, it starts with the contract with America, and the reason why is it starts in the 94 election. So, the 94 election, you have to understand, this is a seminal election in American history. The House of Representatives Representatives at that point for 40 years has been held by the Democratic Party. The Senate flipped a couple times, the House has been held for four years.

Think about it. That's my entire life. 40 years. Okay. It used to be the working man party. That's why it is. So, here's what happens in 94. Newt Gingrich goes around to all the Republican folks running for office that year against

Democrats and he says, here's the common strategy. You're going to ask the person you're running against in the debates, can you name the price of milk back home? I remember that. And elected members couldn't. And the reason why was because the culture in Washington at the time was, if you got elected to the house or the Senate, you moved your family to DC.

You didn't go back home to your district, maybe other than a couple of times a year. You absorbed it in a swamp. But you met people. You went to the same church together, a synagogue together. Your kids played on the same little league teams, right? Your spouses knew each other socially.

It made compromise and working together easier because these were people that you had personal relationships with that you might have policy differences and disagreements, right? I don't think Patrick and I are ever gonna agree on Trump being a Russian asset, but hopefully at the end of the day

we can shake hands and walk away from this. That'll always be the case. You don't ever have to worry about that. I know that, but that's how Washington used to be. It doesn't work like that anymore now, because now they're not there. They're there Tuesday to Thursday, a couple of weeks a year,

and then they're back home and they're on TV and they're screaming at each other and they don't know one or another. So're not there. They're there Tuesday to Thursday, a couple of weeks a year, and then they're back home and they're on TV and they're screaming at each other, and they don't know one another. I'm not blaming one side of the other. I'm just saying, everything changes with that one election. I disagree with that. It's because it's that culture change

that I honestly think changes the American. But to link it, but to link it, bro, to saying Trump is the guy that created the division. He didn't create it. We haven't, we've had this. We've had this. We've had this. Chet fuel on it. To be fair, to be fair, is it fair to say,

let's see if you can be reasonable here. I'm hoping you can be reasonable here and take the emotions out. Is it fair to say that out of all the people that have been elected during our lifetime, you and I are at the same age, I think we're three years apart and he's two years younger than you.

Four years younger, you're 36 or 36? Yeah, 36. 36, okay. So I'm 43, you're 40, you're 40? I'm a 40 in January. Okay, so you're 39. So, okay, is it fair to say the last 40 years? Carter winning, Reagan winning, senior winning,

Clinton winning, junior winning, senior winning, Clinton winning, junior winning, the GW winning, Obama winning, Trump winning. Is it fair to say, the biggest shell shocking winner where you were like, what the hell just happened is Trump? 100%. Is it even close? No. What do you put close to that?

I couldn't, it was such a shock to my system. I couldn't sleep that well. I was at 3.30 up in the morning, I'm on the phone with Tom, I'm, Tom's like he won. I said, no, New York Times just reported it. I said, there's no, Hillary's, Hillary's got the resume. Newsweek at the magazine, ready, madam. I know. Everybody, that magazine right now is like priceless.

Everybody's trying to buy that magazine because it's so hard, it's like a limited edition product, right? We're seeing it was like, this guy just won. Okay, so imagine a guy that's an underdog, comes in, talks shit, calls everybody out whether he's right or wrong and half of America votes for this guy. So either half of America is a bunch of idiots, deplorables, which you and I agreed that they're not.

They're angry and frustrated. I agree. And not and they felt that he tapped into something that he that he heard them. Beautiful. It's less about him guys. I'm telling you, it's more about the to the voting against versus voting for. So I don't disagree. My entire family is Democrats and I'm telling you they're they're gone. They're off the rails. They

they have not voted Democrat for the first time in their lives because they do not feel like these Ivy leaders are always talking above them. They're always lecturing them. They're always blaming them and it feels like these people have the international's best interest in mind and not our best interest in mind. And we resent that. So that's where this comes from. And Donald Trump tapped into it. He pulled one of the greatest illusions of all time. This is a guy that grew up 90 floors above everybody else with a silver spoon in his mouth

and somehow convinced West Virginia coal miners. He was one of them. So I mean that that just goes to show you how badly and honest to God Matt and this is this is kind of where where I see it differently than you do. He took the Obama playbook the Obama political playbook and I think Obama is the greatest politician of my lifetime But he took their playbook and turned it on its head and ran their playbook. You disagree with me? Well, you're racist. You disagree with me?

You hate America. Took the exact same tactics, inverted it. And if you think that's pouring fire, maybe it is. To me, it's a ganglion dialectic. You see somebody do something and it works? What do you do? You emulate it. So one of the other big things that happened for a guy like me over these last four years, I did not vote for Trump the first time. I did vote for Trump the second time because I felt like Democrats did not learn their lesson. At some point, they just had

to be like, you know what, guys, socialism is a touchy issue. We're asking for a lot of the hours of your life in taxes and we're not really showing our work here. And there's a ton of waste in government that we're not addressing at all, but we're just asking you for more and more and more of your money. Maybe we should have just said if you disagree with us, you're racist.

That was probably a bad tactic. Sorry about that. That's kind of all they had to do. Well, let me ask this question, because Matt, I want to go a little deeper with you because we only got 15 minutes, 13 minutes left. So at a time like this, every generation will use the line. This is a consequential election,

because you have to do, because that creates urgency, come out, vote, okay, I get that. So script, everybody use the script, it works. But our enemies today, big and then they've ever been been is China today scarier than what Russia was in the 80s? Yes. Okay, so is, but it's not presented that way. But hang on a second.

So is China scarier today, a jeeting pain, you know, is he scarier today than Hitler was in his era? I don't know. Okay. They're not, they're not like, you know, invading the student line right now. I agree with you. Yeah, because we don't know. Thailand's over there like, well, I mean, Taiwan is terrified, right?

Yeah. Taiwan, not too much. They're doing airy drills constantly. And, you know, the build up of their artificial islands in the, in the Chinese sea is obviously very, very, very concerning to anyone who lives over there. It's very obvious too that China and Russia, specifically Iran, they don't have any fear. But you know where I'm going with this?

Here's where I'm going with this. Here's where I'm going with this. What they understand, by the way, that we have our own insurgency in our hands right now. And after January 6th, they understand that we don't have the bandwidth to take this out. Matt, here's my question for you. Here's my question for you.

So do you remember when Calapari came from college to NBA with the nets, he flopped, he went back and then he crushed it in college. Do you remember that? Do you remember when Carol, the first time he came to the NFL, I just didn't work out any one back to a college with USC, then anyone's 16s in six seasons in or with 10 plus wins, first coach to ever do that that time.

Then he comes to NFL, Seattle, and then he crushes it, right? You know how they say some coaches do better with college players and NBA players and some coaches are better in NBA. Like Nick Saban did make it in the NFL. He killed it. He's gonna be probably one of the greatest coaches of all time. Passes Bear Bryant as the greatest coach

of all time in college football, right? What kind of a president do we need today? That's what I'm trying to ask. If you're saying it's not Trump, if we're saying it trying to ask. If you're saying it's not Trump, if we're saying it's not Biden, if we're saying it's not Obama, what kind of a president do we have today? And who's the closest thing to that?

That's your opinion. I'm curious to know what you say about this. At a season like this, where America's at, where China's at, where Russia's at, where Iran is now allies with China, okay? Where we got crypto community that's trying to say, listen, we don't trust anybody in the government,

at a time where we got cyber world economic form COVID, what kind of president do we need today? We need to tell the entire baby boomer generation to shut up or tire and get out of the way. They're the problem. They don't have... Baby boomers are the problem. Yes, yeah, they don't, they don't have... Haley Boomers are the problem.

Yes, yeah, they're too old at this point. Look at any time you have like hearings and Congress on like Facebook or like cryptocurrency and you've got like, you know, Chuck Grassley from Iowa, who's like 88 years old, he doesn't understand any of this, right? He's just reading prepared remarks because the staff has written them for them. They have to do it. We need, we need people are generation.

So are you saying like Musk said we shouldn't have elected officials above 70 years old? I kind of would say we would call. I'm thinking that what the moment calls for right now is somebody. I honestly, it's probably a millennial. Somebody who understands the global ready to turn the keys over to AOC. No, I peep, uh, people to judge. It would be if I was going to pick a person, it would be a peep to brilliant. I know peep personally. He's one of the smartest people you ever meet.

He called highway's racist, man. Listen, the Democratic Party has a really weird thing when it comes to, to the, the, the, the domestic sort of politics and that type of stuff. And I don't understand a lot of it. I really don't. I, I don't even begin to try to get in the discussion. But if you're asking for, my response is, if you're looking for a guy or a woman, a person that I could identify right now

on the national political landscape, who can handle China, who can handle Russia, who can handle all the issues, who doesn't need to be brought up to speed, who's smart. Tulsi Gabbard, do you think? Oh, God, no. Oh, my God, no. Oh, my God, no.

God, no. Listen, that woman should not be allowed to wear a uniform. Oh, my God, no. God, that, she is, listen, that, that woman should not be allowed to wear a uniform. Oh, wow, okay. Exactly. She, all right, there's a fundamental,

another of you served. No, he did. I did. All right, she, then you understand, you don't do politics in uniform. She's going on social media and her kernels uniform

and doing politics. She, that's a big no no. Talking about everyone's done it. I get what you're saying, but I told you, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no'm talking about everyone's done it. I get what you're saying, but I told you, I get all these guys doing it. And she was an Assad polypologist.

I will never, she, she, no. When you go and you meet with that man, drop barrel bombs on children. She dropped barrel bombs on children. They dropped chlorine gas on kids. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. She does not get in a pass. She's the only American official in seven years who stood with that son of a bitch.

If you wanna talk about values, right, do we stand for something? You don't go and stand next to Assad and he say he's a good man trying to do right for a people. Would you agree to do a sit-down with Tulsi and you? Only if I could spit in her face. Wow. I can't stand her.

I think she is. Well, that's just not gonna work. I think she is. Well, that's just not going to work. I think I think she is I think she is a complete and total disappointment. She is she is derelict in her duty. She is engaged in conduct on becoming behavior. She ought to be court-martialed for what she's done in uniform. It's unfortunate. You feel that way. Conduct on becoming. She got into a uniform. It's unfortunate. You feel that way about somebody. Conduct on becoming. She got into a uniform and went on the music. So let me ask a different question.

Let me ask a different question. It's the easiest charge to bring up, by the way, as a commander. If I was a commander, I'd bring her up on conduct and becoming. I got two questions for you, and I got eight minutes to go through. That's an incredibly strong opinion.

Let me go through this. So go back to, so what are your thoughts on Hillary Clinton? She was a brilliant woman. She really was a very, very smart woman. Probably one of the smartest people, whatever. Do your thoughts on Hillary Clinton? She was a brilliant woman. She really was a very, very smart woman. Probably one of the smartest people, whatever. Do you think she's evil? No, I think she's misunderstood. Okay.

Okay. You don't think Hillary's evil. You think she's misunderstood. Strong opinions on Kelsey. That is very weird for you to say that, Matt. I don't think she's evil. You don't think she's evil. You think the Ukrainian... Okay, Ukrainian.

So, by the way, the audience has to make a decision for themselves whether they agree with your tossie. But let me go back to Pete. Let me go back to Pete. Let me go back to Pete. Let me go back to Pete. So let's say Pete is your candidate because your Pete camp, you're definitely not a tossie camp.

Okay, I would have loved to have seen a sit down with you in Talsie, but Spittin' King go on in this podcast. So let's go back to Pete. I won't spit in her face, but I would not be happy to be in the same room with her. Okay, well then that's a problem in America by the way, because I think, you know, I'm trying to get Obama

and Trump in the same room, and I have my own money on the line, because I think that's what we kind of need to do to get people have this course, because that's how the American people win, but it is what it is. Let me go back to Pete. Go to Pete.

I'll tell you why I want to sit down with her. Because she would never say that she was wrong. She would never say you're right. Do you? I'll tell you why I'm 100% right when I'm wrong. Anytime. I'll tell you all. You haven't been able to show one proof of Russian acid with Trump and you think you're right.

I know and right. You haven't been able to prove that I'm wrong. Have you proved? I think in my mind I have. You think so, that's like a spiritual connection. I have to imagine every Russian acid. Go back to Pete. Forgive me, but only one person at this table was in the CIA and actually did this for a living and I tell you right now

But I tell you it's like a doctor who gave birth to 4,000 kids saying I've never had a kid before but I know what I'm doing I don't know your business But it'd be like me coming in at this point and like you see whatever your business I told you get it but there's the same thing. There's a bunch of people that would disagree with you But go to Pete go to Pete go to Pete. Let's talk about Pete because I actually like Pete I think Peter smart. I think Pete is smart But but I don't think Pete can get elected because he's gay By the way, and I think that sucks. That's this is my this is my concern I think he can get elected in America if he's gay really in America in America, but that's not the problem

Hear me out. Let me ask the question. I want to see what you're gonna say sure we live in America Where we have gay employees. I have gay executives. It's not like a thing anymore. It's not like, I'm an Iranian Middle Eastern guy that runs an insurance company. How the hell does this make, and I'm not, when I would go to insurance conferences, no one looked like this guy.

Big nose, big ears, Iranian Middle Eastern, like, what do you do? Are you security guard or your body guard? Not one to see us. No way, yes. Okay, cool. I guess America lets people like you also make it to the top. Fine. I like that But if you go with peeds and peeds sitting there trying to negotiate with a North Korea or negotiate with a

China or Russia to them. Do you know how they still look at the game community? Do you know how Iran and Saudi and a lot of these guys like it? Yeah, so you automatically lose two billion Muslims that you can't necessarily negotiate with. So I don't think a guy like that would be good for foreign affairs because they would not negotiate it, would laugh at a guy like Pete. Not in America, I think they would.

That's assuming he's not on paternity leave. I think paternity leave should be for everybody. I think it's a good thing. The most important thing that we can be doing is developing good humans. Agreed. Well, the most important stage of development is the first three years of your life, when your brain is most mali-viz.

Resign. By the way, it's why I believe that the Scandinavian's have it right. You should have two years paid to stay at home with your kids and take care of them. How many years? Two. The wife or the mom? Both parents. I know you think this is crazy, but think it, no, but think of this from a speciological

development. Oh my gosh. Thank you. You mean to say me and my wife, we stay on for two years to take care of the kid. Thank you, but thank you for the speciall out of the development. Oh my gosh. I hate to laugh at you. I'm just entertained right now. But you're a man of your time, right? You're a guy who has been brought up in a culture in which you would, you know, and I think this is the biggest pansy era of all time. Okay. For most of our species development, we didn't live in houses, right? We were hunter gatherers. Okay. Sure. You're talking, the reason why we all get fat right now is because

we eat foods that we weren't evolved to eat, right? We didn't evolve to eat complex carbohydrates and breads, right? That's why ketosis and all that shit works, okay? So, think about it from the hunter gather perspective. You're out there, you're on the planes, right? Men is out foraging women or foraging women, right? But kids, kids are constantly with their parents pretty much all the time. They're being taken care of, right? Take care of your back then.

Back then, okay. Okay, right? Today we're back then. Back then. Okay. That's how we evolved. What I'm saying is that the idea now that you were born and then you're handed over to a daycare infrastructure or to a nanny or to somebody to watch you in the most important part of your brain's development.

And you're away from the two people, you have a biological, you have kids, right? Four of them. Okay, so when they were born, the first thing that you do is a dad, you biological, you have kids, right? Four of them. Okay, so when they were born, the first thing that you do is a dad, as you hold them to your chest, right? So the kid imprints on you. Okay, that's so important.

It's not just that one time, it's two years of that. Oh my gosh, man. Listen, if you want better formed humans, if you want better people who are better parts of it, it's a democracy. I'm telling you right now. You have your opinions on that. So that's extreme because to me, I think humans were stronger

and tougher back in the days. I think we're getting softer and softer and softer. And we're raising pansies today, if you ask me. We're raising softies today, if you ask me. We're raising people that can't be offended. God forbid you say something. Oh my gosh, I failed. Oh my goodness, let's get rid of the F because it hurt my feelings. What am I going to do? People are going to laugh at me. Yeah, we're

raising pansies today. So I think my dad in Iran works six days a week in Iran. Friday is here Sunday and I love my dad. More than you would even know he's my best friend. He lives with me. I saw him once a week and I'm totally okay with that And I was raised fine He taught me to ride values and principles and I think even back if you're gonna go history even further back Men used to leave and come back and they wouldn't see their family for a long time the longest longest lifespan Yeah, I've any culture on the planet and the happiest highest standard of living is in Scandinavia and The one thing that all those countries haven't common is that they all provide at least one to two years of paid subsidized maternity and paternity

leave. From the major economies, the longest lifespan is actually in Japan, just so you know. Yeah, and they have a very different way of living life. They build businesses. They teach toughness. They teach the right values and principles, and the largest lifespan, longest lifespan,

like how long people actually live in a country that's not considered one of the top countries, is Monaco, it's 89.5. Japan is 85, Monaco is 89.5, but I know we can tell a lot of statistics to sell Scandinavians are doing it right. I can only imagine two years from you to be home with the kids, that's probably not healthy

for my wife and kids. That's why you know what I do it. You know what I do that. No, no, no, no, no, I don't think it's home with the kids. That's probably not healthy for my wife and kids. That's why you know what I do it. You know what I be there. No, no, no, no. I don't think it's good for the marriage. I think my wife would say stay good and work. Probably. So anyways, Matt, regardless of what happened,

the one thing about you, bro, that you gotta know that I respect a lot is we talk, we chop it up, and you're gonna be invited back. I have no issues with you. I enjoyed the combo. We still haven't talked about the biggest stories no one's talking about. Then you got to come back. Well, it was. Where the hell is flying up in the sky that no one knows what they are? That's

to me. I understand. The cover we've got we've got our cover got the tights and Maverick here, two people invited, they took, what was in Europe, what was in California, took pictures of the same thing at the same time? The government admits we don't know what these things are. They're not our technology, they're not any other known technology. They are Russian assets.

No, they're not. They're Russian assets. I wish, you know what, it'd be less frightening if they were, right? Because they violate the fundamental laws of physics. Yeah. And we don't know what they are. It's the biggest story.

And everyone just kind of collected, went, eh. Yeah. Yeah. Like, why isn't this something we talk about every day? Like, there are things that violate our airspace. Get closest to our most technologically advanced aircraft and naval equipment and personnel, the things that are guarding our shores.

And we go, I don't know what they are. I don't know how they got there. I don't know how to stop them. It's a good point. It's terrifying. Yeah, I agree. I agree. Well, maybe that's what we talk about next time.

And we bring Tulsi Gabby, we put a glass into you guys. And, and, uh. Do you really know Tulsi? Of course. If you can get me into Tulsi Gabbo, we put a glass in to you guys and and and do you really know Tulsi of course if you can get me into a Tulsi I will not spit on her but you got to be respectful, bro. I would be respectful with her but she needs because she by the way here's one thing about Tulsi. She's gonna see this and she's gonna say something if she responds to it. If you want to have an opinion take off your uniform I'm serious. If you see this, I don't know what camera I look at. Take off your uniform.

I'll see the gangster. Take off your uniform. I'm saying this to you is one fellow officer or another. I'm not sitting here doing this in uniform right now, right? Take off your uniform if you want to continue having an opinion. You swore an oath like the rest of us. How dare you? That's why, and by the way, apologize for meeting Assad.

You met with a war criminal. It's like standing next to Hitler and being proud of it. You see Tulsi and the bikini, she looks pretty good, which it takes over beautiful. Listen, Tulsi is somebody that makes a lot of sense and has a lot of loyal followers. So it's going to be interesting to see what happens there. But anyways, Matt, good to have you on.

Appreciate you. We'll have you back on to talk about some of the stuff that we didn't get a chance to get into. But aside from that, folks, this the first first week we're doing podcasts today with Zeller. Tomorrow will be with John Eaton, I believe, who is the lawyer representing XRP ripple going against the SEC government. He's going to break the whole XRP community is going to be here tomorrow. And in Thursday, the great Daniel, the Martino booth will be here.

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