PBD Podcast - Mike Baker On The Leaked Pentagon Documents | Ep. 257 | Part 2

Episode Date: April 12, 2023

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so doesn't have a defense defense department classified documents have been posted online brevillian u.s. spy on russia's war machine in ukraine a secret assessment of ukraine's combat power as well as intelligence gathering in america's allies including south korean israel highlights from the documents include the fact that russia's private mercenary outfit the uh... Wagner group has sought to purchase weapons from natal's member turkey

and that the group is considering recruiting more convicts for the war in Ukraine. Additionally, a document marked secret examines why Ukrainian bombs equipped with the U.S. made guidance systems known as Joint Direct Attack Munitions or JDAMs have failed recently. South Korea has concerns about providing artillery shells to the US to replenish America's supplies. As officials worried about the ammunition would end up in Ukraine's military document mark secret assets pathways for Israel to provide lethal aid to Ukraine providing hypothetical situations that might drive Israel from its balancing act between Kiev and Moscow, the leadership

of Israel's Mossad Foreign Intelligence Service encourages staff to take part in anti-government protests that have swept Israel according to one document. What are your thoughts on the story? Well, first of all, anything marked secret. It's basically got the classification level of anything that's on TikTok, right? So, because what we were talking about before the government casting a wide net, there's a lot of overclassification that goes on, right? And, but secret is your lowest level of classification. And you look at this and you think, again, because you got a, it's like an investigation, right?

You don't build your investigation on theory, right? You base it on evidence, on facts, right? Otherwise, you're, by the time you get done, it's just on shaky ground. So when you're doing something like this and it's a counterintelligence issue and you're trying to figure out, you know, is this a genuine leak? If so, that's a fairly simple process. You figure out who had access to the information.

In today's world, a lot of people have access, right? We came out at 9-11 and one of the things they talked about was, you know, there wasn't enough sharing of intelligence. Guess what? We overshare. In part, that's a problem. But you look at this and you think, okay, what are they talking about here? Some of the documents talked about Russia.

We're going to start a propaganda campaign in Africa. No shit, Sherlock. Of course they are. They're talking about the J-Dams, not being, you know, as effective. Well, who does that benefit when you talk about this? So you start looking at the information that's in these documents and you have to keep an element of this is on one side, you have to think, okay, is there a chance that this is a, you know, covert action campaign by the Russians to put this information

out there? Because a lot of it does, you know, hey, look, if we put an article in there, or a document in there about the South Koreans being a little bit iffy on providing shells, if we talk about Egypt's going to sell Russia, you know, weapons, if we talk about the UAE coming together with an agreement with it, all that shit, you know, I'm not sure that, you know, there's not a possibility here that it is a disinformation came in. If it's not, if there are authentic documents and quite frankly, the government already knows that, right? They're just not telling us, you know, when John Kirby stands up there and goes, well, we don't know. We don't know whether these are authentic or not. Of course, bullshit. Of course you do. You know, you

know exactly where these things came from, who, what office originated them, right? Who wrote them? You've got all this material stored securely, or at least you did, if it's authentic. And now how much of this mic is, like if you know where it came from, but if you tell everybody where it came from,

you're publicly humiliated, you have to act like, you know what I'm saying? I don't know if that makes sense or not. It's like saving space. Yeah, no, it does. I mean, because, well, this is, anytime you have a leak of intelligence, it's embarrassing, right?

I mean, it, because it's embarrassing and operationally damaging on several different fronts, right? Our allies, you know, if this is authentic and these documents are, and if they are authentic, then we've already told our allies, right? So when we talk about, well, we have this discussion with our allies over the weekend. Well, you know, this is playing out after the fact. So if they are, in fact, authentic, our allies already know that they're authentic,

and so they're already looking at what potential damage occurred from this. But you're right, anytime this happens, it's embarrassing, right? And yet, and yet, you're never going to get the potential for this sort of thing to happen down to zero. You're never going to completely eliminate the risk of an intelligence leak. I'm reading all the stories by different papers to see what they're saying. New York Times clues left online might aid seek investigation officials say. The Guardian, US intelligence leak, what do we know about the top secret documents? Most out times, five things the leaked Pentagon documents reveal about Russia's army.

CNN, leaked Pentagon documents, lingered on social media despite our urgent national security concerns. CBS news, Pentagon documents leaked, Biden, everybody is pretty much saying the same thing. Okay. So if everybody is generally saying the same thing, it kind of minimizes a bit of gamesmanship, right? Or to you, you kind of maybe sitting there saying, well, it's Fox, CNN, all these guys that don't agree with each other, they're all playing the,

you know, safe game of saying, we don't know yet what it is, but who could it be? It could be these guys. It could be those guys. And the allegations, everyone makes it on allegations, but nobody know where it's really coming from. You've got it. It's like every decision tree, right? No matter what you're talking about, there's not that many branches on it. These are either authentic or they're not. If they're not, it's a disinformation campaign.

So who would have hell would have done it? Well, you know, that's another decision, you know, it would probably be the Russians. But you have to make that decision very quickly in account intelligence investigation. And my point being is that they already know. Of course. So they're just, you know, they're not telling us.

I got a question for you, Mike. Yeah. So apparently these documents were sitting on Discord for like a month and then it ended up somehow in a Minecraft computer game. This is something out of like fantasy land. Yeah. But when I hear of leaks and this type of stuff automatically automatically I go to, you know, Edward Snowden, WikiLeaks, Julian Assange.

You know, this person right here, they don't know who it is if it is a person or if it's some sort of agency disinformation campaign. Is this leak or, is he gonna be considered a traitor? Is there gonna be some sort of whistleblower hero type thing that gets attached to him? What's your opinion on it? It'll be all over the spectrum, right? I mean, there are people that consider, you know, Is there going to be some sort of whistleblower hero type thing that gets attached to them?

What's your opinion on it? It'll be all over the spectrum. I mean, there are people that consider, you know, snowed in a hero, right? And I understand where they're coming from. There are other people that consider them a traitor, right? And I get that. You know, but with this, look, it's not the first time that classified documents, either ours or from our allies, have ended up in as bizarre as it sounds

and sort of the gaming community. And maybe there's, I don't know, maybe there's some connection that we can figure out between people who spend a lot of time in the gaming world and individuals who have access to classified documents. Peter Hacker's in front of screens all day. Yeah, I think. Yeah, I think.

Yeah, so, and you know, it's, again, you can't, because of the need to share information, and there is a legitimate need to do that. You just have to be careful about how you do it. You don't want to, again, you don't want to, you make such a large playing field that you have no control over what the hell you're doing. But because of that, and because it's just a human endeavor, you're always going to have the potential for a problem like this.

But if you don't have consequences for it, then you're increasing the likelihood that it could happen again. You're not minimizing the likelihood. And the problem we've always had with this this sort of thing is there's you know It's a shifting landscape in terms of from one administration to the next how they deal with this sort of thing It's not it's certainly not the first time it won't be the last time, but if you don't have consequences for people who Who act out against agreements that they've already signed right you got to take that very seriously you sign agreements, right? You want to put up. Yeah, and so you know and that goes to your grave, right? You want to put up a conversation. Yeah, and so, you know, and that goes to your grave, right? You don't, you know, that's not anything well I stopped working or I'd not get enough hugs at work

or boy, I don't agree with that policy. So fuck my secrecy agreements. Yeah. You know, that's where you have to, you know, you have to have consequences. Yeah, I was just an ass, I was just an ass with that because I'm not to cut you off at them. Like, are at the base that I was at

and Malachram Air Force base were funny. That's where the Chinese spy balloon was hovering over that. Oh, my base. It was the big. But you didn't have anything to do with that. No, no, no, I just I think I allegedly allegedly. But the biggest threat wasn't like a nuclear attack. It was the insider threat.

Our insider threat was the number one threat as people knowing about the information, but I agree with you 100%. You sign, you sign, you're supposed to stay quiet and all of a sudden you're leaking shit. So Mike, are you saying that you probably, not probably, but it's almost like a definite, they know who the hell did it, whoever leaked it. I think so.

I mean, just given, you know, when you look at forensic capabilities now, you know, nothing. Nothing is completely deleted. And particularly when you're talking about the power of the government to pursue an investigation, now whether they're organized enough to actually do it, I don't know, but yeah, I think that they'll sort this one out. I don't think that we're not talking about Lex Luthore here, and I think they'll also sort out

and they already have if this is disinformation. So if these documents are not accurate, I think they'll, they would come out relatively quickly and say that. But if there is an investigation into individuals who have been responsible for this and they're authentic, it'll probably take a little bit longer for that talk. The, my last question on this is, you know, I feel like all country spy, government

spy, and this is, you know, talking about, you know, whether it's CIA, it's MI6, whether it's the Masad, whether it's the, what, the, G-R-U and Russia, KGB, India, Pakistan, France, they all, every country spies. And I don't think it's that concerning that we're spying on Russia. I think that kind of goes with the story. I mean, you would hope we are. Yeah, you hope we are. I don't even think it's that big of a concern. We're spying on Ukraine and Zelensky.

It's like, buddy, if we're giving you a fucking couple billion dollars, just believe we're kind of checking in on you. But how big of a concern is that they're finding out that we're spying on South Korea or our ally, Israel or biggest ally, Israel, or biggest ally in the Middle East. Mossad, how much validity is it there

and how big of a concern is that? Well, look, I know it's become a shock, but Mossad pays attention to what their allies are doing, right? So, Mossad has an effort to understand what we're doing, right? Does that mean they're collecting intelligence on us? Yeah. And does that mean the South Koreans

to the degree that they have the resources and abilities? Are they doing the same thing? Yes, on their allies, of course. It is, yeah, it's understood, right? Now there are limits to that, right? But even with our closest allies, there's an understanding that you trust but verify, right? I mean, because every nation acts in its own best interests, right?

Now, you know, your efforts are obviously far more aggressive when we're talking about nation states that are not aligned with us, right? So no surprise. But we better hope. People always say that. They say, well, we're doing the same damn thing, right? We're doing this and

well, yeah, you better hope we are because as you know as much as you may want to this is not a world where we're a community of nations Right and we're all looking out for each other, right? And then you know unicorns are all flying out of our asses And we're all happy and it's just not it's not the way it works it. Let me let me ask this question. Do you think, do you think Putin or Xi feel like they can get things done negotiating with Biden? Do you think Xi and Russia think they can succeed in negotiations with Biden more than they would with Trump more than they would with Obama or somebody knew like a DeSantis. I think what they feel with Biden is that it's a known quantity, right? And I think that's I don't know whether they feel that would be speculated in my part, you know, what, you know, how do they rate them in regards to who they can negotiate with better.

But I do think that they feel as if Trump is more of an unknown quantity and they can't really, you know, look and come up with like a three to five-year plan of what they've got to do. So, what did you want to keep a Biden in office? If you know, if you know that guy isn't unknown quantity because he's not predictable, if that is what you assess it to be, you almost want to keep this guy in office for another six years, don't you?

Well, based on, look, if all you're looking at is sort of a decision between Biden and Trump, and you look at Trump's time in office and you look at Biden's time in office, if I'm a head of a nation that's at odds with the US, I would prefer Biden because I can more accurately predict, I think, in my opinion, where he's going to go, what his policies are going to be, how he's going to behave, right? And so, yes, I mean, I think there's, you could make that argument. Trump was unpredictable, right? I mean, that's one of the reasons why you lost the election. People were tired of the chaos, right? And,, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean,

I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, with them. I didn't like that, which means I couldn't get things done. I would much prefer an asshole that was willing to sit with me, then somebody that was a nicest guy but never called back, never email, and never had time to come and sit down and visit. It's as weird as that sounds. Because at least the asshole, you know, you know, what his agenda was, it's his company against yours. It's his protection. But the other guy would,

you know, was so like a loof. And you have to be very careful with the guys that were very aloof guy. So I wonder if they sit there and they say, you know, because let's put the blame on Russia. Let's say Russia is behind this thing because if Russia is using Israel and South Korea, it's a form of dividing and conquering, your pinning Israel against US, and it's very strategic and brilliant if that's really what you're doing. And to be so good, you also threw some of your internal stuff of Russia to make sure people don't think you're the one that's doing it. Which if you look at it is absolutely minimal. Right. It's not a big deal on their own.

Right. Oh my god. They give a little bit of information about it. Yeah, but it's it's it's it's organic. It's no question about it. But it is very if let you say if it is Russia, right? Then then then if they're doing that to pin Biden against Israel and South Korea and then maybe they're saying, you know, with this Trump guy, at least, you know, when he was there, NATO was not bothering us. He was not a fan of NATO, we're not a fan of NATO. You know, yes, the trade issues was, it is what it is

and we had to deal with that. Huawei, we had to deal with that. You know, I could never attack Ukraine under him. So do I really want this guy back? I can attack Ukraine under Biden, but at the same time if Trump was here and if I attacked, Ukraine under Biden, would they have sent $140 billion to Ukraine to help with Trump have sent money?

I don't know if Trump would have sent money, but maybe Trump would have had a meeting with me within 24 hours to say, if you don't stop doing this, don't, yeah. Because to these guys, the way I'm processing it, who do you want at the helm? Do you want the guy that you can have in the Captain E. Cap conversation?

And negotiate, or do you want the guy that is, you know, having worried about the ice cream he's gonna have? And you don't really know if you can have a real conversation. That's my biggest thing. Who do you want as an enemy? Sometimes I want the leader of the enemy to be somebody I can talk to,

no matter how much I may not like the guy. And how much we disagree. Yeah, I, it's a odd thing here in the US, I think maybe it's elsewhere, but this idea that you have to like the person in charge, right, I don't, I didn't like Trump. I don't like Trump. And I said, I think he's just too chaotic.

And I think he's, you know, he's all over the map. I liked the policies, right? I liked the like Trump. I don't like Trump. And I think he's just too chaotic. And I think he's all over the map. I liked the policies. I liked the policies better. I don't need to like the person necessarily. I'm more interested in what are they doing as a leader. So, but with Putin, I'm sure Putin looked at Biden. And he remembered, it was Obama Biden when they walked into Crimea.

And there was no response, right? They took Crimea. And during that administration, and there was no pushback really to speak of. And so they probably factor that into their calculation over Ukraine. I'm sure Putin was surprised at the monetary response. Sort of the way the allies came together and said, because I figured their calculation

was probably different, I probably thought the US will not get quite so involved, they will not make quite the effort with NATO. But to that degree, his intelligence was clearly off. But yeah, I agree with you. I think, you know, if I'm, if I'm looking at this, and I certainly if I'm G, if I'm G, and I think that I'm close to the top of the, of the, of the ladder here, I would much rather have somebody like President Biden in place. Because again, I can look at him and I think I can, I can map out and predict based on 50 plus years where he's going.

If that's the case, I won't do this because this hurts. That's the only thing. So if I'm sitting here thinking about you're doing this, I wouldn't do this because you're hurting the existing guy because you're giving more ammunition to the opposing side. I would let it roll rather than doing this to say, hey, because do you remember when Trump had to keep firing people in CNN and MSNBC with Kasey say, there's a source within Trump administration what a terrible thing to do to a guy to confuse a crap out of them. Like think about when they say, there's a player within the New England Patriots organizations that's leaking information to us at ESPN that there's a major

fight and a fall on up between Tom Brady and Bill. Like those types of things and your Brady and Bill check, you're like, hey, guys, stop it. We're good. We don't have it. But then in the back, you're like, who's talking to you? Is it that guy that I benched? Is it that guy that I didn't let do this? Is it that guy that I didn't invite to the part? Is it that guy that wants to be traded? What is it? Regardless of how much bullet proof strong mentally tough you are, they get a little bit of your brain and you start thinking. So regardless, no matter how bullet proof, this administration, maybe they're going to say,

who the Pentagon wants Republican Trump to be there? That's not on our side. We got to fire this person. Who is that person? It's a general. This is a general. It's a disperse. This this this really throws a wrench in the game. That's all I'm saying. So I don't know. Yeah, I mean, again, it's speculation at this point, obviously, you know, to say that, you know, it could be a covert action campaign by the Russians. But I'm saying that when you do something like this, when you're investigating somebody, you have to keep all the options on the table until you prove otherwise. And you know, it's, and again, I would argue that they already know.

If they don't already know what's going on with this, then that is really disappointing. Yeah, if you're doing it at the KGB level of Putin, trust me, Putin's got like a board of, I would assume, he's got a board of everybody who to poke to piss off with who and create a proxy here to unify here. So we can become the good guy and call these guys and do a favor for that guy so he can connect us with this guy and get in front of me. I'm assuming that's how these rooms, these conversations are going to be had. So in its election time, you got eight more months left, nine more months left before

we decide who the Republican candidate is going to be. So the Santa's Trump, you know, who do you want to be the head? If you are really meddling in elections, I would be really more thought out of who I'd want to eliminate to create the enemy against. Yeah. I don't know. I want to go to another story. You make your point and I'm going to go to the full conspiracy mode right now.

There we go. Go at him. In the last month. Go at him. I'm going into Vinny territory right now. There we go. Go Adam. In the last month. Go Adam. I'm going into Vinny territory right now. Let's go. Let's go.

Last month, the Chinese spy balloons. A couple of weeks after that, Putin hosts she in Moscow. Those two are having conversations. Putin's having a love affair with she, waving by like a schoolgirl. Love you. What kind of conversations do you think those two guys are having behind closed doors? A belt of America. How are we going to make a miracle week?

Click on the key. You know, they're completely together at this point. Anything that's happening in Ukraine has basically thrown Putin right into she's arms. He basically said he was kind of jealous of the success China has had over the last few decades and wishes that type of success for Russia. What kind of conversations are happening behind closed doors? And how much plotting against America is in those conversations?

Yeah. Well, look, I mean, the dynamic there is definitely that China's in the driver's seat, you know, Putin's in sort of the supplicant position here. And that relationship only goes so far, even though they said there's no limits to our friendship. Well, bullshit, of course they are. As soon as Xi decides it's not in their best interests, to push this dynamic, but Xi's working to try to position China as the peacemaker around the globe, they's trying to increase sort of as diplomatic standing, as it were, I guess.

And at the same time, he's, you know, he's rattling his saber over there at Taiwan. That's a delicate balance between those two things. But with, yeah, I mean, Putin absolutely needs China on side. He's got almost nothing else, right? And the Iranians are selling them drones and you know, he's, you know, it Belarus, okay, I got Belarus on my side. But ultimately, you know, what's China gaining?

Gaining cheap energy, right? They're watching as both Russia and America, you know, empty their warehouses of military hardware. So there's a lot, you know, to be gained from China's perspective in all of this. Russia and America empty their warehouses of military hardware. So there's a lot to be gained from China's perspective in all of this and Russia is in a position where it needs to do this. Right, and speaking of perspective,

by the way, you just brought up the Taiwan thing. So it's very similar. It's analogous to exactly what's happening. So Russia invaded Ukraine. What was the response from America? What was the response from the rest of the world? The response from the EU? Okay. Now China invades Taiwan. What's the response going to be? We've seen this play out, almost like war games. Those types of conversations must be taking place.

Mike, do you think any of this be- I don't want to be completely honest. I know you said Trump chaotic, and I understand what the chaos came from because as he came in fake Russia, all that, I'd be pissed off too. If I was him, I'd have a huge, huge chip of my shoulder. I'd be upset with the meat and everything too. Do you think all our economy, recession, inflation, our dollars going by by, militarily where people are Afghanistan withdrawing all that? Do you think that the majority of this is happening on the Trump honestly? Do you think this is the of this is happening on the Trump honestly? Do you think this is the way that we are right now? No, no, because I think the policies

would have been different. Look, I mean, you know, COVID came along and kind of fucked things up obviously, obviously. But so that was an outlier. But I do think that if A, the economy, I mean, look, the first thing that Biden did, and he campaigned on that, you have a the economy, I mean look the first thing that Biden did, and he campaigned on it, you know, was shutting down the energy sector, right?

And, you know, one of the, the really strong elements of the Trump economy was oil and gas, right? And national security and energy independence are completely linked. You can't separate the two. So, no, I think there's, I think there's some significant differences that could have occurred.

Do I think that Trump's going to win in 2024? I don't see how he gets to that number because I don't think the people who didn't vote for him the second time around, those people who were tired of the chaos. So the people said, I've got to have enough. Biden won because he wasn't Trump. He didn't win because he's a great leader. He lost two times before. He simply won because he wasn't Trump.

But are those people who didn't vote for Trump that time? Are they suddenly gonna look around and go, yeah, I want some more of that Trump? I don't see how he gets to that number. You know, it's crazy you say that. So we're at the UFC fight this weekend in Miami, which by the way broke When they know why it came out you talked about how the last time they were in Miami

I think they did 436 at the door this time they did 11.9 million beating Madison Square Gardens record of 11.5 million Okay, and he says Miami is what LA was 10 years ago and He's selling Miami's oh, we're definitely going to come back a year from last, the video of him talking. But, you know, anyways, we don't need to play it. But one of the things that happened is while you're there, suddenly the crowd starts losing their mind. Feeling, you know, here everybody taking out their phones

and then all of a sudden, you've ruptured. That was nuts. Because this guy named Donald Trump walked in. 21,000 phones were lifted. Everybody's got their cameras on. Shaking hands. People are trying to spot. Is that Mel Gibson that just shook his hand?

Yeah. That's Mike Tyson sitting next to him. Of course, Dana White, and you know, he always speaks very highly of him because of how Trump helped him out at the beginning and you know Mosvedel gives a speech to literally the place is going crazy. We're right back to by the way in that video So the place is going absolutely Bunkers right Mosvedel then starts fighting burns in the middle of the fight Camera goes on him. No one's watching a fight.

No, like you guys in the middle of it. So the part becomes, now here's what the conversation becomes. Either 100% of UFC viewers are Republicans. Or this guy has an energy about himself when he walks and that he's able to convert and magnetic energy. I even looked at Adam for a second and Adam was in tears. Adam was. Adam, Adam, you know what? Adam was. Can you tell the truth? Adam said, if you want me to tell the truth, I'll tell the truth. Yeah. Adam says, I'm not going to lie to you. You know how I feel about Trump? I just went

from here to here. Yeah. It was like, oh, very weird feeling. Right, it was actually cool. Oh shit. But you know what, you know what? It was great. But here's the part as well. The one thing about politics, we had, I said, are you fly sure?

Is that George Bush's? Yeah, are you fly? Yeah. And I said, why get into the game of politics? Like, why get into this? Like politics? Like, why get into this? Like, he says, are you kidding me? And he says, unlike sports, where there's a leader's bulletin. And you know, if that guy scored a touchdown

or did this or did that, politics, there is no leader's bulletin, is who can sell their argument and their ideas better? It's the greatest competition. And he sold it in a way that I bet a few thousand kids that watch the 20 year old guys are watching, saying, I wanna get into politics. He sold the industry so well.

So don't do it kids, don't do it. So the point is, none of us have a clue what the hell we're talking about. When it comes onto who's gonna win, who's not? You know, the reality of what happened with you, but Biden won because they just didn't want Trump, right? You know, all those, okay, fine. No problem. Well, now you got what you wanted.

How happy are you now? Okay. When you have a, what's Sarah Foster? Is that her name? Girl's name is Sarah Foster. Is that the actress's name? Did you hear what happened in San Francisco with the soul, the cast guy? No, no, no, no.

What's her daughter's name? No, because Bob, you were going to make your point before I played this for you. Well, I was going to say, you know, you get what you get. I mean, look, Chicago's the perfect example of that, right? They got rid of Lori Lightfit and what do they bring in someone? Martyrs Lab, right? So I don't know how do you explain that one? If you can go on Twitter, Rob, if you can go on Twitter, so just recently,

this lady, I want everybody to go send a tweet at this lady, because apparently she just got off of Twitter, just go to my account, right there. Go right there. That's exactly the one I want you to go send a tweet at this lady because apparently she just got off of Twitter just go to my account right there go right there. That's exactly the one I want you to do. So before you play the video, pause it before you play the video. Here's a lady, okay zoom in a little bit so they can see it. Her name is Hillary Ronin. Just so you know what she does. She sits on the board.

I think it's District 9. If you can go on Google and Google her who she is Hillary Ronan two L's Hillary Ronan and EN Hillary Ronan and EN there you go Hillary Ronan zoom in so we can see who she is and I watch this is such an interesting thing Hillary Ronan is an American politician attorney serving as a member of the San Francisco board here There you go district nine which includes the neighborhoods of mission district of Bernal Heights and Portola Okay, and Portola. And if you go a little lower, so we know who she is, Democratic Party, she went to Berkeley,

University, California, University, San Frant, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay, great. Now, go back to the tweet. So this lady here, in 2000, and let me even send you the tweet, because a lot of people haven't seen the tweet. This is a tweet she sends out.

I don't know if I send it to you, Rob. If you have it, please show the tweet. I think I send that to you as well. It's this one right here. If you can just pull up the tweet because a lot of times you see an image of a tweet and then the person goes back and deletes it, you can't find it.

Well, luckily, I found the tweet and she's left it up. So just kind of pull it up. If you send it to yourself by Hillary Ronan and the date of her tweet is, let me see what the date is. She sent us in 2020 to be exact on a date, August 16th, 2020. Do you have it? I texted to you, Rob.

Yeah, I texted to you. You should have the text that I sent to you. I just put a thumbs up on it, Rob. If you can just pull that up, just do copy, paste on. And pass, she's still in San Francisco. Oh, you got to see this thing here. You got to see this thing here, what she says.

Uh, uh, Rob, if you're, uh, see if you got it or not, because she still, she's still in, you have to see what this woman says. And she's still in charge. Here's a tweed. So in 2020, this is her tweet. I want to make it clear that I strongly, I believe strongly in defunding the police and reducing the number of officers on our force. For decades, we've had an imbalance in our city's budget with hundreds of millions of dollars

going to San Francisco PD to have them do work. They are not qualified to do. Okay. Well, look at the date August 16, 2020. Okay. Okay. Okay. Mark that.

By the way, they lowered a budget by 120 million dollars the mayor during that time Okay, so now go back to the tweet and Watch her video of what she says go to the video of what she says you just had to tweet up here. We play the clip. This is what this We've been begging for more Footfeets and for more officers In the mission district officers in the mission district. Again, this department to give the mission what it deserves in terms of police presence, all year long, and I have been told time and time and time and time again. There are no officers that we can send to mission. It hurts and I

feel betrayed by the department. I feel betrayed by the mayor. I feel betrayed by the priorities of the city. It is not the sport of supervisors priorities. We want our residents safe. We want our residents safe. We want our residents safe. We want our residents safe. We want our residents safe. We want our residents safe.

We want our residents safe. We want our residents safe. We want our residents safe. We want our residents safe. We want our residents safe. We want our residents safe. We want our residents safe. We want our residents safe.

We want our residents safe. We want our residents safe. We want our residents safe. We want our residents safe. We want our residents safe. theft and the mission people are getting shot and killed and the mission people are getting beat up and the mission people are dying No, no shit sure Go on Twitter go on Twitter and look at her last tweet go go just go to her account right there and look at her last Weed okay zoom in her last tweet 23 a piece out Twitter time is precious will be using time I spend on this forum, having direct productive conversations with the people of San Francisco. Good luck to you, lady. So this is a part where, you know,

a sad is it is because a guy who created a great company that's created thousands of jobs who moved to Miami because he didn't feel safe in the middle of the night get stabbed, a week after this, a week and a half after, what have two weeks after this, come and she makes and she's the same person. So now why don't you come out and apologize

about your original policies? I'm not very. About the fact that you felt about defunding the police. Now you wanna talk about, I feel that they're not wanting to protect the city. Sarah Fossars and actress. Yeah, I love that you found out. Anybody who makes it on vanity fair,

you're like left of left, you're part of the camp, you're qualified. She slams San Francisco for being a shithole. We are to go to the bottom to read the entire quote of what she said, right, I have no words, right there at the bottom. Go a little lower, a little, have no words. San Francisco is a complete shithole. I'm a registered Democrat and feel confident saying liberal politicians are ruining cities

disgusting. My heart breaks for this family. Okay, and this is the daughter of David Foster, by the way, 16 time Grammy winner. 16 time. Yeah. You know, it's crazy. I'll get you know, you started us off with UFC and all that funny story. So, you know, the guy for can stole my keys that were running around. Vinnie and I run around the whole time, the whole time we go to the guest services and the one guy in front of us at guest services Vinnie remember this BVD Huge fan I'm like what's up, buddy? He goes. I'm a cop in Jersey. Yeah, I just came down here with my girl to have a great time

UFC boom. I tell bad. I said what's up? What's up? He goes, I got to tell you. You know how they say talk about defund the police. Let me tell you something. Was he talking about new Jersey police? I didn't talk about he said before COVID. He said they would get between 80,000 and 100,000 applicants to join the police force. He goes, you know what it is now? In a year, 1500. Yep. Did he not say those numbers? He did.

This is his story. I said, what? I got that. It's a story of your spirit. Beyond ridiculous increase, a decrease. And I said, so how are you gonna find police officers now? He goes, we're just gonna have to lower standards. No, you just got to move to Florida. Come on down

Yeah, we like cops his name is Nick bonus. His name is Nick Davis. I'm pretty sure Yeah, shout out to you. Nick. He told us the number and Adam Adam was like whoa, oh the hell am I keys? What? Yeah, from 100 some thousand to 1500. It's it's am I just so it's my question for everybody is is people's hate For Trump more important than going back to not having the economy like this, the way that everything is. Where are these voters at? You're so you're just happy because the mean attitude guys not in,

but you know what, as long as my feelings aren't hurt, I don't give a shit about the country, I don't give a shit about the war, I don't give a shit about the economy, like where the hell is your, what are you talking about? You let me all fucking day, be whatever, as long as I'm safe and the economy is good and everything's all right.

I'm happy. That's me. Yeah. I you know what I think never underestimate the Republicans ability to like shoot themselves in the foot right or fuck up their chances to win. I mean I I would argue that the abortion argument is another example of that right. I mean what the what the hell right. Yeah. that the abortion argument is another example of that, right? I mean, what the hell, right?

I'm a camel. Yeah, they fucked up the midterm election. And it's gonna happen again, right? I have a feeling that there's, you know, again, I hate to say it because I would like to see a change in administration. 330 million plus people in this country and we're heading towards another, you know,

election season where it's probably gonna be Biden and Trump again. I suspect. Right, it's the favorite. And that's incredible to me. But I'm a fan of the policies, right? We gotta clear out the regulations, we gotta get the economy moving, we've gotta focus, be more strategic with China. And I just don't see how the numbers get there for Trump.

Unless there is just a more significant crisis, right? Because I think those voters who may have said, who may have said, okay, I didn't vote from the last time, but this current administration is not cutting it. I'm going to go for the Republicans, but I think those people will probably be turning up based on the abortion issue. And I think they're gonna look at that. I think a lot of those suburban women

and the others who were tired of the Trump chaos who didn't vote for them this last time, they probably, maybe they could have shifted back to the Republican in vote for them, but I think that abortion issue is gonna shut that possibility down. So I'm not particularly optimistic. We could end up with Biden Harris again.

And that means we could end up with Harris. What, how different is that position of what happened and what dissent is as position is with that? Because is dissent is as position on a rovy way different than what happened right before midterm? Yeah, I don't think, I don't think

to Sanuses is, I mean, I know there's been a lot talk about the Sandis being the guy, you know, possibly that could, you know, take this, but I don't, I don't think so. I just don't, I think outside of, I don't think he's going to care, he could carry the, the nation. I don't know. I, I, I think that you're looking at a split in the numbers. They're going to be, you know, sitting in their foxholes, shooting at each other during the primary, and that's gonna damage both of them. And I just, I have no such a set.

Here's when Newsom agrees with you. Gavin Newsom predicts what will happen if Ronda Santas takes on Trump. This is a Newsweek story, Rob, all I'm doing this, find what Trump just put out in true social about Ronda Santas. It's the nicest message he said so far about it. California Governor Gavin Newsom predicts that if the Sanctus challenges Trump for 2024

problem presidential nomination, the Sanctus will be defeated by Trump. Newsom said on MSNBC inside, with Jen Sackie, he's going to get rolled by Trump. Trump's just going to roll him. Newsom criticized the Sanctus for attacking Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Braggs, who charted Trump 34 Council falsifying business documents. Newsom said to Sanctus, looked weak for doing so and advised the Sanctus against challenge and Trump for the GOP nomination. He suggested the Sanctus wait a few years and actually do some of the hard work,

which actually includes governing not just identity and culture war. So Mike, are you the kind of guy that likes this Nusom guy? Oh, God. No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Nusom is, when he talks about the Sanctus should just focus on governing, good God. I'm in and out of Los Angeles and the Befarah San Francisco on a regular basis and two fantastic cities that are just being driven into the ground. And that's all under Newsom's watch. The guy, he's got a great head of hair. God bless him. But I'm sure he positions himself where he's

imagining himself to be the guy. Nobody was He nobody was probably happy about Buttigieg, you know, taking a lot of, you know, shots during the past year than Newsom, because I think he really feels like he's the replacement candidate. And, you know, he's, I'm sure he's excited about the fact that, you know, I don't know. What do I know about politics other than you have to look at results, right? And Newsom doesn't have the results, right? So I don't understand, but it doesn't matter anymore. It's all about performative art, right? It's theater and people, you talk about how the San Francisco woman there, you know, can,

how can she say one thing and then talk out of the other side of her mouth, right? Sure. Yeah. Sure. There after, it's because nobody gives a shit anymore, right? Nobody fact checks, nobody, and you know, so this, that's a, you know, but again, you know, you get, I guess, to your point, you get what you get, you know, you vote for, you know, you vote for, how do they end up with Brandon Johnson in Chicago?

How does that work? Yeah. have you heard what this guy says? But if you listen to some of the stuff, the sky is a mark, Cops and I mean, it's worse. It's, but it's a Soros guy, but it's one of Soros's guys. You saw who visited the White House for 12 or 14 times last the Soros's son, the vice Soros's son. His boy, yeah. Would you, by the way, a lot of people think, well, when Soros is

no longer here because he's 90 some years old, his boy. By the way, a lot of people think, well, when Soros is no longer here because he's 90 some years old, his son is as radical, if not apparently more radical than him. He's meeting with the chief of staff and he's at all these other meetings. And by the way, can you pull up what actually I sent you about what Trump said about the Santas? I just sent it to the link. There you go. If you can pull that up with the hill yeah here's what he just said

zoom in a little bit trump and scourges the santa's scantissie would only her republican party okay us a different approach here's what he says ronda santa's a young man who is not doing well against me in the polls to put it mild i believe that if he decides to run for president which will only hurt and somewhat divided republican party he will lose the cherished and massive mega vote. He's already saying it right up front and never be able to successfully run for office

again. I don't know about that. If he remains governor, which is what Florida voters assume, it will be a whole different story just saying, but again, who knows? Some people read into this and they said the fact that he's hinting at if you don't run, I'll have you as my VP, some are saying that will never happen. But what do you think about what he just said here about the Santas? It's one of the nicer things he said in the last few months is not calling a meatball

run or run to sanctimonious or you know peddling stories about him hanging out with underage women. So that's that's good for him Which There's actually some truth, you know to use some true social in it that he might lose the massive cherished Maga vote One of the things I actually wanted to bring about the sand is that you just brought about this And this is someone, one of the things, because I've been an advocate of saying, I would vote for the San Tis. Have you heard about the fact that,

because you brought about portions and how like that's gonna potentially shoot, Republican shoot themselves in the foot, especially to suburban women or just women across the country, you know, it's supposed to be a red wave in the midterms that are ended up being like a red drop in the bucket. Yeah.

Florida, backed by DeSantis is trying to pass a six week abortion bill. Six weeks. You heard about this? Pull this up. And apparently it was approved. Now listen, you can debate the abortion all you want, but six weeks. Some women don't even know their pregnant within a month, the first month. And I think the stat show 43% of pregnancies of abortions happen within six weeks.

36% happened between seven and nine weeks, 13% between 10 and 13 weeks. So I think a lot of people have sort of used the 12 12 week number as sort of a You know Comfortable number that you can wrap your head around but six weeks. So if Back to your point about DeSantis If that's your message that you're gonna be more of a moderate and you know kind of not play to the Maga Wing but also get some of the disinfected liberals and Independence on your side. A six week abortion bill, you think that's gonna get women to vote for you?

Yeah, no, I know. No, I know. I don't play that. Well, and this is why it's always been one of those issues, right? It's like talking about, you know, reformed entitlements, right? I mean, every time the Republican Party wades into the abortion issue, you know, I don't get. How do they, how do they not look at this and go, okay, you know what, we got to sit down and come up with, nobody lives in the fucking center anymore.

So nobody, you don't have anybody in Washington saying, let's all sit down as reasonable people and come up with something, right, that makes sense that both sides can live with. You have one centrist, you have Joe Manchin. Yeah, yeah, yeah, basically that's it. Yeah, but I don't think, I don't know that, you know, I bless you. Look, if the Santos was the Republican nominee, yeah, I'd vote for him, right?

But I think Trump's correct in the sense that, you know, all he's got to do is kind of, you know, start that attack plan and, you know, his voting base is not going to suddenly embrace Ron DeSantis, right? So there's a, I think there's a real problem coming down a pike for the Republican party that, you know, typically they'll just ignore for a while. And then, you know, it'll be sort of all hands on deck and panic, you know, leading up

to the election. And, but if you're the Sanctus, you don't know what's going to happen four or five years from now. You can't predict, you know, Florida might have a hurricane. It might be an absolute mess here. You never know what kind of six week abortion bill all of a sudden, approval ratings go down. Right now his stock is as high as ever. That's, yeah, you have to seize the moment.

Carpe Diem. Oh, yeah, because I don't think, yeah, like, do you just nailed it? Like, think about it. If Trump runs this one and, and Ron doesn't, nobody's easy to be, literally, could be irrelevant. It could, people just like, okay, just stay in Florida, Ron doesn't, nobody's, he's going to be literally could be irrelevant. It could, people just like, okay, just stay in Florida, like whatever, but just it's crazy. Though that, that's all the Democratic party has to offer us news. Less, unless, if Trump does back him up 100% to run afterwards, because think about it this way, say Trump runs four years, okay?

And the Santas goes behind them. I want you to think about this here real quick. Say, the Santa says, I'll get involved a little bit, just to get a little bit of experience, and I'll run. And apparently he can't run until July, because he has to get his governorship job in place before he announces that he's running some date light. I think it's July or June.

But I think it's July. So he goes in and they do get out for five months, whatever the time, six months, five months. And then within two, three months, okay, guess what? Game, it's yours, perfect. They talk to each other just like Ted Cruz lined up and Ted Cruz like, let's go, let's roll. Trump can flip real quick if you're gonna get his back

he'll flip, right? So the Santos comes and backs some up and they run now watch During Trump's second term if the Santa's got his back 100% Guess what Trump's gonna do for the Santa's put a Trump's gonna be his number one flag here You and help him become president and then the Santa's can have 12 years eight years Which means it'll be Trump the Santa's 12 years The Santas can have 12 years, eight years, which means it'll be Trump the Santas 12 years. Now, that doesn't mean a,

the Santas' camp, listen to this, they're saying, oh, you have no clue what the hell you're talking about. Maybe you're right, maybe we don't. We're just talking, guys, we're not in your world. And, you know, and you're right about the fact that this guy was the number one governor in what he did. Above and beyond everybody else, we're in Florida because of this guy.

You're from LA, and New York, I'm from LA, and I lived in Texas for five years, and I like the governor in Texas. He does a great job, habit. Oh, that's awesome. But we moved here because it gave the balance of Florida and Texas together. I love the beach and Idaho, but I love it in Florida.

So, favorite beaches. This is the Hobie slide. That's So, this is the whole beach life. That's right. This is the difference between this. Now, if you find this clip, would Biden be asked about running for re-election? I don't know if you saw that. If you just go, if you have that, he's a reg hunter. What is he saying, Pat?

What is he saying, Pat? While he's looking for it, I'll just read it to you on what happened with this. So I'm planning on running. For, by the way, you have to really understand what he's saying. Matter of fact, I dare you to fully understand what he's saying. Go ahead and play the clip.

Watch it's here. That's a fantastic event. Why my favorite in the year. I was just wondering, Mr. President, will you be taking part in the Easter egg rolls after planning on, after 2024? Well, I plan on, at least three or four more or eight Easter I plan on at least three or four more Easter egg rolls. At least three or four more.

Maybe maybe five. Maybe five. Maybe six. What the hell are you saying that you would be taking part in our upcoming election in 20. Well, I'll either be rolling a egg or being the good, the guy who's pushing them out. Come on, help him brother out.

No, no, no, no. I'm not playing, I'm running out, but we're not prepared to announce it yet. All right. All right. What if you don't match up 10 seconds? What if he's planning on running out? What if he's saying, Al, you don't vote for me? The way he blabbered.

The way he blabbered. In a roll and egg or push him out. In our upcoming election in 2040. I'll be the roll and egg or, you know, being the being the good you know the guy who's pushing them out Come on help a brother out I plan on running out but we're not prepared to announce it. Yeah, I'm planning on running out I was waiting I was waiting Rob I was waiting for him to go and out if you don't vote for me you ain't black I was waiting for that to come out because he's he loves it. Well, that's the announcement

It's not the official announcement He just said it without saying it with the neck coming out whatever Because he loves saying, well, that's the announcement. He's not the official announcement, but he just said it without saying it with the name coming out, whatever the hell that. Yeah, as he pushing that egg out. That's, or a role. I'm wearing, role, I'm wearing. I just wish we had one on this one on this interview. At least, if he's, maybe he identifies as a chicken.

You, it's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with that, Pat. I'm not, I'm not. I just wish one time, one person interviewing just stops and goes like this, hey, I'm sorry, Mr. President, what the hell are you talking about? Say what buddy? Yeah, no, exactly. Nobody ever checks them.

Trump was always yelled at by Jim Acosta and everybody. Not one time. He didn't talk like this before. I've heard him give speeches. He's getting worse. No, I've heard him give speeches where you're kind of like, okay, good. You know, he's got some stuff that's solid.

He, he need to talk like this. This is recent. And Pat, notice what, but it's gonna be, he's gonna be 82, right? By the next election. If he gets re-elected, he'll be 86 years old. Oh my God. That's the past to be a concern.

Oh, you wouldn't even, of course it is. If you can push an egg out at 86, you gotta respect the top line. You should be president, man. Yeah, it's, he's doing, look, he, he successfully ran a campaign from his basement for the most part. Of course. And, you know, again, the Democrats, you know, love him. Hey, they tend to do messaging and campaigns and communication well because they stick to it. They don't tend to splinter. I think his strategists are basically saying, look, why jump in the fight right now.

Take all the time you want. You're in the White House already. You don't need to announce yet. He could push us off. And while he's doing that, he's kind of freezing out the other options, like Newsom and these others. So we've got, you know, we've got a really interesting situation here

where I think both sides are kind of getting locked in to before we even get to the primary. But which shit's about to get so dirty? It's gonna get so dirty. I think this next one's gonna be nasty. I think it's gonna be nasty. Anyways, we gotta get to the end primary which shits about to get it. It's going to get so dirty. I think this next one's going to be nasty. I think it's going to be nasty. Anyways, we got to get to the end of the podcast. So Nathaniel Rodriguez gave a hundred dollar super chat. Good conversation. Andrew Huff. There's a there's not a regime that the US via the CIA and the state department have

wanted to cool and topple bricks and the recent piece deals between countries led by China and Russia, plus Trump as president, why they don't want him in 2024. I guess we'll find out what's gonna happen. Mike, what are you working on right now so people can follow you? What are you working on outside of your new office you're building in San Francisco? But outside of that, we don't know where you're going to go.

Building my secret lair in the mission district because the representation seems solid. Yes, it'll be. And by the way, this thing goes so fast. Great, it's such a great show. I mean, it just moves so damn fast that I'm surprised that we're at the end of it. You're fan favorite, by the way.

Oh, you're a fan favorite. Not only do we love you, everybody loves you. Well, you're a fan favorite. Clearly, you're 10K live right now. You're viewers are clearly terrible judges in the airfield and entertainment value. But you know what, I, for all your information and security needs,

it's Portman Square Group. I gotta say that. Portman, because. Yeah, why not? That's a great one. And then, yeah, I thank you very much Rob. I push out an audio book a couple months ago called company rules. It's a very easy lesson.

They asked me to do an audiobook because I didn't know enough big words to do a whole book and I narrate it myself. So it's very soothing. That voice I could go to sleep. Compinuous rules or people do everything I know about business. I learned from the CIA. Wow. Yeah.

And it's got just some principles I took away. Look, what happened was I got out of the agency and everybody, my old colleagues who were fantastic, I got to love to my time in. But they were all like, what the hell are you gonna do now? You have no, how are you gonna, what? Yeah, you know, you said home. And I had to leave because I was raising a daughter,

a single dad and I was like, okay, I got to do something that keeps me close to home somewhat. But all my guys were like, yeah, I don't know what the hell you're going to be doing because your skill says not going to transfer to the private sector. And what I found was, after starting a business, was that there were certain things that I'd learned from the agency that actually transferred very well to the private sector. These were my rules. It's not like the agency hands you a book that says,

here's the company rules, and you first sign on. These were just the things I took away. And hopefully people enjoy it. They take some bit away, and it helps them, and not just in business, but in private life. I love it. Rob, let's make sure we put the link all over the place chat and description.

Folks, go order, mic, bakers, book, and I'm sure Mike put the link all over the place chat and description folks go order Mike Bakers book and I'm sure Mike will be doing this again in the next I hope 17 months going into the election That's gonna be well anyways. Thanks for coming out. Thank you man. Thank you. Have a good one. We'll do it again on Thursday Take care everybody. Bye bye bye