PBD Podcast - Mike Majlak | PBD Podcast | Ep. 357

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Starting point is 00:03:34 And, you know, I think you wanna, how do we get connected the first time? We got connected because I told Logan to take a 90 day break. Take a break. Take a break. Logan Paul, I think what you need to do is you need to take a break Yeah, that one. I don't know why that was so

Starting point is 00:03:49 controversial in the camp. Yeah, like it's looking back. I just watched that video tonight I did a bunch of you know research on the way in here and I watched that you were The same person that I've come to know you as well-spoken Researched you brought up examples from your own past, how you hired your PR team, and you didn't like what PR teams stood for, because they told you what to say. And it's now watching it, seemed very well thought out.

Starting point is 00:04:14 But yeah, how did we get connected in the wake of that? Was it through George, potentially? I'm trying to see, because we spoke that day for, we got on, oh, you know what it was it was that and Then there was also a fallen out that was taking place. What were we actually to I think there's a follow-up going there Maybe there's something going on with George and Logan and was it was it not at first? Nobody really knew if it was for real or not Yeah, but by the way before we get into this very important to show this right because can you pull this up C&M breaking news

Starting point is 00:04:45 It's very important to show this right because can you pull this up CNN breaking news literally right now? Okay, Biden's response to Jordan attack is likely to be powerful But us is wary of triggering a wider war with Iran officials say which which will react to this later on Maybe we'll talk a little bit of inshmik man. We'll talk a little bit of California. I saw your tweet about California I want to see what you're gonna say about that. We'll talk some Jenko. We'll talk some Logan Paul. We got a lot of things to talk about. But why don't we start off with this? So what I don't know a lot about Mike is the following.

Starting point is 00:05:12 I started social media late. Okay. I've never downloaded Vine. I was never on Vine. I got on everything super late, right? And I'm, I think I'm seven years older than you. I think we're, you just had a birthday happy birthday to you 39 I got one more that's right last year bro one more year it's over so back

Starting point is 00:05:32 so tell us like the the history of yourself maybe I don't know how far you guys go back you Logan Jenko how did all these relationships and friendships get started? It's like a, that's like a multi-tiered question. That's like a going back in time, dude. Going back through the old testament. First of all, I want to say this. We've been trying to get the show done for a while. Your team's been great.

Starting point is 00:06:01 I've been trying to make the dates line up. I am honored to be on the show. You are, as I said, extremely well-spoken, extremely well-researched, willing to talk about topics, all you guys, by the way, that are considered to be taboo or outside the box. And I've told you this before on the phone directly, before coming on the show.

Starting point is 00:06:25 And a huge fan of what you guys are doing. And to be completely honest, even after 420 episodes of Impulsive, sitting down with Arnold Schwarzenegger and Kevin Hart and a lot of really big names, even semi-debating Shapiro on the show, I get nervous to do these shows. I still do.

Starting point is 00:06:45 I get very tense being around guys that are well studied, well researched, and being on someone else's home turf. And I made a decision at the end of midway through 2023 after saying no to a lot of big podcasts. I mean, be upfront right off the bat. Tate has asked me to come out to Romania, and I'll say, oh, the state of the world is bad right now

Starting point is 00:07:07 or different comedians. And for 2024, I wanted to force myself to get outside of my comfort zone and to take some chances. And I walked in here, you guys are fucking awesome. You know what I'm saying? It already feels like I'm hanging out with a bunch of my friends, so which is great.

Starting point is 00:07:26 But I just want to get that out of the way and say thank you for having me. Well, I appreciate that, yeah. And by the way, to say to you, I think I even commented on that video, saying your perspective on how you give your feedback is also thought out. I mean, you're a very good communicator.

Starting point is 00:07:44 When I watch that show and sometimes you jump in and you give your thoughts, also thought out. I mean you're a very good communicator. When I watch that show and sometimes you jump in and you give your thoughts, it's very obvious you're a talented, Logan wouldn't have you be his co-host or you know as a partner unless if he thought there was value that's being brought up both ways and I think it's worked out very well between the two of you guys. You know he was always getting back to your question. He was always meant to be this one man superstar, which he's finally kind of like, he reached his final evolution into now WWE and this character that he now plays,

Starting point is 00:08:16 just obviously won the other night at Royal Rumble, retained his title. He was always that guy and I was always the networker. That was my goal. That was my job since day one. Coming in, building relationships. This person, that person. In fact, doing my best to squash beefs

Starting point is 00:08:33 that might exist between himself and KSI, who he now has a massive beverage company, hydration brand with. That was kind of what I always brought to the table was networking. It's probably the thing that I'm best at in life. It's just ability to build rapport with people quickly, make them feel comfortable,

Starting point is 00:08:50 and just build those friendships pretty quickly. I was working actually on the brand side when I met Logan. I was at a company called Love Sack that sold these oversized- I love them, I had one. This guy went on a rant about how much love, love, I would jump off my balcony and fall on this thing to show people how sick these things were there for now they're amazing yeah there's no there's no beans it's like a shredded durafone but basically

Starting point is 00:09:11 this guy Sean Nelson started this company and the thing skyrocketed and it went from these oversized not beanbag chairs into these modular couches when I joined it was probably a 58 million dollar annual brand. I joined very obviously, as you know, very rough around the edges coming off with just some really nasty shit that I had been through in my life. Just doing my best, you know, faking it till I make it all the way, the whole entire way

Starting point is 00:09:35 and just applying whatever skills I had. And one day I got an email from our agency, our ad agency, and they were like, oh, I'm gonna connect you with this influencer, Logan Paul. This is like 2015. Like influencer, what the fuck? What does that mean? So 2015 is nine years ago.

Starting point is 00:09:52 Logan would be what? He would be 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20 the hair the side Justin Bieber Logan keep the beard bro you look good the work like the worst day is dude oh no no it's a different human right by the way this is like the Logan Paul that a lot of people still resonate with yeah like there's a lot of people who still like no matter what he does no matter what ropey jumps off no matter what you know company starts no matter how well he does in the podcast. This will always be the Logan Paul that a lot of people know.

Starting point is 00:10:28 They despise this douchebag-esque character, right? And this is who I was, this is who I was linked to. That's your boy right there. Yeah, 2015. Did you know who he was into him? No idea. So you have no idea who Logan Paul is. Absolutely no idea.

Starting point is 00:10:40 I was working at this brand, had a great job, was making six figures, stock ownership had you know All the benefits 401k package everything and I loved my life I was doing it, you know doing what I had come to you know kind of understand and learn which was social media pretty pretty quickly And I get connected Logan he sends him his text message that says like yo What's the deal with these love sacks? Can you fuck on them? Like that's what he asked me.

Starting point is 00:11:08 And I'm- That's message number one. Message number one. And I'm a marketing manager at a corporation that's currently going from 58 million to 200 million to 80 million, like we're on that path. We're about to, I'm literally, you know, months away or maybe a year or so away from ringing the bell on NASDAQ,

Starting point is 00:11:23 which I did with them. And I don't know how to respond to this. Am I supposed to respond as a cool guy? Am I supposed to respond as a corporate guy? And I took a risk and I said, yeah, they're great. The covers are machine washable. So if you get come on, I mean, it can wash right out. And he thought that that was the funniest thing.

Starting point is 00:11:40 Classy response. Yeah, just like a real. We were talking to a 90, 20 year old at the time. Correct. So, so, so back to the you're talking to a 90, 20 year old at the time. Correct. So back to the point of me being a communicator, a reporter, I said, what does this person want to you?

Starting point is 00:11:51 Like how do they want this message delivered? Sure. Right? Laundry. Laundry, exactly. So I sent them this and that then led us to kind of hitting it off, you know, starting this friendship, which then led to a brand collaboration that we did at Travis Pashrana's house, where we met for the first time with Roman Atwood

Starting point is 00:12:08 in Maryland. And it was just immediate rapport. I mean, it was, we built a friendship and slowly, but surely he asked me more and more to be a part of the content, which I did. And then in 20, so late 2017, I was hanging out there more and more in Los Angeles, and then Tokyo happened.

Starting point is 00:12:33 And that was obviously a nuclear bomb. Were you there with him? I was, and I had flown back, and obviously he was on this massive trajectory. This is the suicide force. So he was on the- Makeup wipes, we're done. You promised me so much.

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Starting point is 00:14:14 Should actually be the biggest thing ever already in a very different respect. In social media, brand, world, had a very successful clothing brand, I think did $50 million in 2017 revenue at 20 or 21 years old. And this happens. And my phone is just blowing up. I mean, hundreds of text message on New Year's Day. And that whole situation slowly led to me joining the team in a business role, which was basically having another, basically being his big brother, going out

Starting point is 00:14:45 there and being someone that's like, like, there was a lot of jokes about it being like a babysitter role. But just joining the business team, he had a lot of loose ends on the business side, legal, that was taking too high of a percentage from, you know, a couple people with their hands in the pot that shouldn't have been there. I cleaned a lot of that stuff up, worked with his manager to clean a lot of that stuff up. And that then led to us discussing the idea of starting a podcast together,

Starting point is 00:15:07 which we did in November of 2018. And then the rest is televised. Boom, got it. So, and then to that point, when does George join you guys? George, so George and Logan had already been friends prior to me and Logan becoming friends. They had been at 1600 Vine together,

Starting point is 00:15:25 they had made a ton of videos together. They were like best friends basically already. And so when I came into the picture, like he was already there. And then as far as the podcast is concerned, obviously, we went through to co-host Spencer and then Mack went through. They were on the show and we parted ways

Starting point is 00:15:43 for various reasons. We actually just shot an episode with those two guys last night, so which was great to bring them back. So we had all four of the original kind of co-hosts together and then George came on notoriously or historically on the six nine episode for six nine's first episode after being locked up after all that stuff went down. Had an amazing episode. The audience resonated with him in a major way and George or was six

Starting point is 00:16:09 nine with George okay not six now nobody's going yeah that guy although listen if you put six down in front of a camera that guy gets eyeballs people are so interesting in the way he is so so okay I mean it's a business model for some but so so George comes on. He lights up with the 6'9". That goes well. And then it's kind of like, hey, let's kind of bring him back one more time or one more time and it becomes a regular.

Starting point is 00:16:35 Slowly, but surely, he started being on more and more episodes. And I remember Logan wanted to extend revenue share basically with him at one point, which we did and he became a partner in the show, basically. Got it, okay. And then how long did that go with George being on and the three of you? He was there, do you have the episode number for that six, nine episode?

Starting point is 00:17:00 Two, 15. So he was there from 215 probably until about 360 or 270 he was there for a long time George make no mistake George was a Has a big part of the show's a staple of the show and easily the biggest three slot we've had Definitely the audience favorite three slot we've ever had potentially the the audience favorite in general, to be honest with you at certain points in these. And so yeah, he's been on the show. I love them so much. You know, he, it's weird, I think,

Starting point is 00:17:33 I think George kind of prefaced a wave of conservatism, traditionality and religion that he kind of predated a little bit. I mean, if you go back to the 69 episode, that was well before there was a red pill push. That was well before Tate had really started to, you know, explode. And I mean, yeah, back in 2020.

Starting point is 00:18:00 And so I think there was already an appetite for that type of traditionality mindset and that return to conservatism. And he was kind of hating that audience. And I think as far as viewpoints are concerned, I'm in the middle of George and Logan. And that's not to say Logan's a liberal, but he's the youngest of the three of us.

Starting point is 00:18:21 He was raised in a, not his household, because in his household would be in Ohio, would have been very conservative. But the way that he's been, he's grown up in front of the camera. He's been around a lot of, you know, showbiz, Hollywood, PR people, as we discussed earlier.

Starting point is 00:18:35 And I think that potentially could have, you know, swayed some of his viewpoints to where they were at that time. Cause they're really not there anymore. I think we've, he has, and I have both probably moved a little bit over the past couple years. What caused that? I think living. I think living.

Starting point is 00:18:55 I think as they say, the youth votes left and as you age up, you start to yearn for that conventionality and that conservatism that you remember from and are attached to from the days of old, right? And you're like, damn, it wasn't always fucking like this. It wasn't always like this. And young kids want progression. They want, how far can we take this thing, dude? Like, well, where can this go? And as you get older, you're like, damn, man,

Starting point is 00:19:24 I remember a day where, you know, you would see your neighbors out and you would say, what's up, and you'd spend time with them. And the family unit was protected. And, you know, all the other things that we're talking about now. And so I think George was actually on the forefront of that a little bit.

Starting point is 00:19:40 And I think the audience resonated with that. So the fallen out with George, because when I watched that, first time I'm like, are these guys falling? Like maybe, and I think it was like, oh, they're falling for it. Even the, you know, PBD podcast, another podcast that's falling for it is,

Starting point is 00:19:55 there's not really, and I'm like, maybe there's not really anything. Maybe there's like a little bit of a, you know, what do you call it, like a unscripted drama, right? You're kind of like, and that, I mean, obviously that's effective. Kim Kardashian built a whole brand keeping up with Kardashians and who knows what percentage of that is effective.

Starting point is 00:20:12 So one time it's my birthday and I'm sitting here doing a podcast and then these guys decided it's a phenomenal idea to start a fist fight and fight each other. I have no idea what's going on. So they start cursing each other out, you're full of shenanigans, I'm raising their voice, and I'm like, wait, wait, wait.

Starting point is 00:20:28 What the hell is going on here? This lasted for about seven minutes, by the way, right? It's believable, I said it, I'm watching your face right now. Step outside right now, man. Pull me back, Mike. Step outside right now. What is this, real? Yeah, I'm watching this face.

Starting point is 00:20:40 So anyways. It was your birthday. It was my birthday, and I was like, oh, okay. I was like, you know know, I'll meet you outside I walked outside. I got what's going on. I came back in with a cake. Oh, that's nice He's from New Britain, bro from yonkers, but I grew up in New Britain. So nobody's Connecticut oh really yo now we're gonna beat your mic together I'm gonna be a Connecticut guy. He's right. Okay

Starting point is 00:21:03 I'm going to be two Connecticut guys. He's right. Okay. From Connecticut. So, bro, you're so, so many is going back to George. So what, what happened because you're, is it, are you even involved in this or is this like shit? You're in the middle and two friends who are going prior to you, they're going at it and you're kind of trying to be the mediator. What did you see? What involved to this? Obviously I've seen some of it, but how did it get to the point of saying you're fired, you're out, we're moving on?

Starting point is 00:21:32 I think you saw that. I think you saw where I was just by way of what was televised. I mean, I 100% was a bridge and trying to be a mediator in the situation. I think that there was, as I mentioned earlier in what George kind of stands for, that is so ingrained in his being. It is so innate and real and authentic in him that it is his life's purpose to push the work of the Lord, to push the ideas of conservatism and traditionality and family unit and monogamy, which is incredible.

Starting point is 00:22:13 But I think that that's not to say that those values are not important to Logan or to me, but that's not necessarily what that show is about, if that makes sense. It's an entertainment podcast. We have guests on. I asked Rick Ross today before I came here. We had Rick Ross on the show.

Starting point is 00:22:31 We were supposed to have Johnny Manziel on as well today. I asked Rick Ross if he was interested in being cryogenically frozen, which I would like to talk to you guys about as well. There's no, there's not, you know, we're not asking him like, you know, when did you decide that this person, you know, when did your relationship with Jesus reach this point? That stuff's incredible and so important and so impactful in the fact that George

Starting point is 00:22:52 has devoted his life to doing that stuff is incredible. But it was slightly disjointed from the more, from the more jovial style of the show. And I think that that, and by the way, this is just one part of it. It's pretty complicated scenario. But I think that that kind of, I think it really messed with George even more

Starting point is 00:23:18 because he wants, he knows that he should be doing that stuff, talking about that stuff, prioritizing that stuff and the fact that this wasn't a an environment that was conducive to those type of conversations I think was was an unattractive Situation for him. Let me let me ask this question like because you know for somebody that watches a show or consumes a show You're kind of like, okay, do those guys are? There's an element, it fits. It's working out for our podcast. There's some days I do one-on-one, great, some like that. But there's our group that likes Home Team podcast and it's just us talking

Starting point is 00:23:54 about events, views, what's going on, Kurtament this, what about this? And we do business politics, me, Vinny, Tom, you know, and Adam, Adam and Tom. And, you know, and I'm going to play the ball. You know, Vinny Tom, you know, and Adam Adam and Tom. And you know, Tom will take up that entire space with notes and he'll literally come in by three hours. Charts you know, it's different. So for

Starting point is 00:24:18 the audience, the audience watches and say, you know, each person played the role. Okay. Maybe you were the point guard. Maybe Logan's the score. He's a two, but he's the guy that's driving the eyeballs. So if he's playing Michael, you're playing point, you know, whatever, and he's playing third, and you know, still, let's say, team that's working out. Do you think the whole process could have been handled in a different way for it to either end

Starting point is 00:24:38 or for it to continue? Because based on what you're saying, it's fair to say, look, this is what we're talking about. George has a certain set of values and principles that's so core to him, he's not gonna change. We can't change him. He can't change us. Best bet is, here's what we're doing, right?

Starting point is 00:24:52 We're gonna go part ways. But do you think there's a different way you guys could have gone about wrapping up the relationship? In hindsight, everything can be done differently. There could be a little tweak here. There could be a little tweak there. there could be a little tweak there. He had already started his own show, which as you all know has become extremely successful.

Starting point is 00:25:16 Yeah, I mean, there were conversations that happened that were, in my eyes, looking back, they could have been done a lot better. There were conversations that involved religion, there were conversations that involved, you know, George's feelings and George's sentiment towards how he was being treated by guests that were on our show

Starting point is 00:25:37 that potentially could have been overlooked. I'll just say this for myself. I really did, from the bottom of my heart, try the hardest that I possibly could to, when I saw things start to go off the rails, a little bit from both sides to try to steer it back on track. I mean, you can simply just watch the episodes

Starting point is 00:26:01 and you'll see me putting my hand up like, yo, don't, you know, like this has gone too far. Like he's pissed off. And by the way, he has a reason to be so like, I did that the whole time and did the same thing behind the scenes. And so I can only speak for myself. I'm 39 years old.

Starting point is 00:26:16 I've been through a lot of shit in my life and I like to believe that the way that I handle relationships, the respect that I have for people, the empathy that I have for people, the empathy that I have for people, the care that I take in every single interaction that I have in this world. I feel fantastic about the way that I did in the situation.

Starting point is 00:26:35 I ran into George the other day. I know you probably weren't gonna say it because it was- I'm not gonna say it, you could say it, I'm not gonna say it. So I texted you about it, obviously. It was the first time I'd seen him since everything had happened. I was on a plane down here and I was sitting in my seat and you know, texting and I look up and there he is.

Starting point is 00:26:52 What are the chances? There he is. Crazy. Yeah. Again on the plane. On the way to Miami. On the way to Miami. Well, I mean that's,

Starting point is 00:26:59 who's not coming to Miami this time? But I tell you, it's not, listen, there's a lot of people I've done business with for the last 20 years and I've not ran into them. But I tell you, it's not, listen, there's a lot of people I've done business with for the last 20 years, and I've not ran into them at the airport. So it's pretty random for them. I knew it was gonna happen. Eventually.

Starting point is 00:27:12 Yeah, it was Sarin Dippenis, and I knew it was gonna happen. He was with Bell, who they just got engaged, I'm sure, oh, incredible. And honestly. Super sweet girl. I mean, you can tell they're in love. They're both incredible people. George is an incredible person.

Starting point is 00:27:31 He is, those values I talked about before, those are not teachable values. Those are ingrained in his soul and his heart. He's a beautiful human. And Belle is a perfect mesh for him. Like talk about a couple that I knew that we all knew this was gonna happen. And so I see him on the plane with Belle in tow.

Starting point is 00:27:52 And I think he didn't really know what to say and I was just in shock. So I just did the only thing that felt natural to me, which was I stood up and I put my hand out. You know, and I just put my hand out and he shook my hand and we smiled at each other and it was like nothing had ever happened. And sometimes you have disagreements,

Starting point is 00:28:16 sometimes you have falling out, sometimes you have business issues. By the way, like I haven't covered all the factors, some of it we still don't talk about very publicly on both sides. But sometimes you have those issues with people and the only cure, and this is so hard for a lot of people to hear when they're in these scenarios is time.

Starting point is 00:28:34 Everybody wants things to be solved now because it's uncomfortable for them. Nobody wants to feel like someone's mad at them. I would hate to piss you off on the show, any of you guys. I would leave here and I'd be like, damn it, dude. Like what can I do to fix this? What can I do to fix this? And as you age and you gain wisdom and experience

Starting point is 00:28:50 in how the world works, a lot of times you realize that time is the only thing that's gonna fix something. There's no solve that can be taken right now. So this flight was from LA to Miami? Yeah, yeah. So that's a five hour flight? Yeah. Okay, I don't know how far you guys were sitting

Starting point is 00:29:03 from each other. Well, that was another complicated situation. five-hour flight. Yeah, okay. I don't know how far you guys were sitting from each other Well, that was another complicated situation. Okay, so let me out What I'm suggesting is the fact You're like I wasn't to be Yeah, but like you have five and a half hours to think oh shit is this guy I got like you didn't talk to him during the flight after the flight you get out your you're checking luggage like walk us Like the story doesn't end. Hey saying hi. Oh, you get out, you're checking luggage, like the story doesn't end, hey, he's saying hi. Oh yeah, okay, so when George flies,

Starting point is 00:29:28 he flies a group of people with him, his people, because it's how he is, he flies with his people. I was in first class, okay? That's my guy. Okay, but now, George can obviously afford to go in first class, but he's playing with a group of people. Yeah, of course. And he probably, I don't know,

Starting point is 00:29:44 maybe can afford to do that. Maybe he just doesn't want to any flies economy. But like talk about like a shitty situation for me to like start off the interaction like an asshole. Like we're having this quick conversation. And then like, I'm like, oh, I got to sit back down here. And I don't know. It just felt like rich people fucking rich people kind of have

Starting point is 00:30:04 like a like not rich people But like people that are in a a situation of Class that is over someone else you get looked at we like it's just a weird scenario Like I wish I was just sitting somewhere near him and it would have been a little bit I don't know it just was weird okay to like be back there and then to like say okay Like I'll be up here like eating these fucking mix nuts Well listen, I don't know. Sometimes it did. Sometimes it was roasted.

Starting point is 00:30:29 When we're not flying private with PBD, you know, PBD's in 1a Vinny and I are sharing a seat next to a fat person. Wait, is that 27c and D. So we sleep on having shoulders. So you know, sometimes we're flying private, sometimes we're flying spirit. You can't get too comfortable, Mike. Although spirits about to go out of business. Yeah, they are a judge denied them being bought by jet blue But that's a different story. Oh, yeah, the murder, right? Yeah, so I don't know What I was getting at with that is there's just a weird dynamic and and see he's like humble and flies with his crew I'm like dude. I'm six three. I need the fucking room my videographers in the back

Starting point is 00:31:05 Shit if I could put my girl in the back like no, okay No, but but okay, so So the flight so the flight lands we get off and we have this we have this conversation and it literally was like nothing to change I mean it was y'all congrats. I just want to tell you guys congratulations and and he and it changed. I mean, it was, y'all, congrats. I just want to tell you guys congratulations. And, and he, he's got big plans for the show. And, and, you know, I told him, dude, congratulations on the Tate shows. Like, like, dude, you, you, I said, you have what I think a lot of people consider to be one of the more preeminent Tate interviews, you know what I'm saying? The way that he was able to humanize, push back on them, ask hard questions. I know you, you know what I'm saying? The way that he was able to humanize, push back on them, ask hard questions. I know you also did obviously a fantastic job with that with that beast of an

Starting point is 00:31:51 interview. And you know, he told me that he's just in a better place now. He's in a better place mentally. He's excited about the future because as we all know, when you are misaligned with your purpose in life, that brings along problems. It brings along anxiety. It brings along, you know, lack of confidence. It brings along a lot of things that I think he was experiencing. Mike, one quick follow up.

Starting point is 00:32:16 Hypothetical, let's say you're sitting there, you're on the flight and it's you and Logan sitting on the flight first class, 1A, 1B1b George walks in how would that situation been different? Logan would have bought the plane and kicked everybody off. No, so no so have it no so evidently But Logan sitting there is not so evident not you know evidently they're talking to okay evidently there's their conversations there too and they no, so evidently, you know, evidently, they're talking too. Okay. Evidently, there's their conversations there too,

Starting point is 00:32:47 and they've been exchanging Christmas cards. I will say I didn't get a Christmas card from either of you guys. So, hey, they both got each other's Christmas cards. So, like, you know, like, it is what it is. But yeah, like, I have a feeling that it's just one of those situations in life that worked out the way it worked out and everyone will be better or at the very least different

Starting point is 00:33:13 as a result of it. And everything happens for a reason. Yeah. I like to believe so. So for me, you know, I watched the exchange, you know, where he's like, you know, you said I need a therapist instead of Jesus because Jesus isn't doing it for me or something like that. And along is like, no, that's not what I said. Here's what I said.

Starting point is 00:33:29 So tell me why I need a therapist because you need to upgrade your life. What do you mean by that? Like you need to improve certain what parents, emotional intelligence, emotional, and then going back and forth and then eventually. So of course you're against gays, you're against women, you're against your effing scumbag that would support Tate. And obviously it was fast emotions are high when this is being said.

Starting point is 00:33:49 But for me, when I size everybody up, when I size you up, when I size Logan up, and I size George up, I don't know any one of you. Meaning, I've not broken bread with anybody until that day George came here and after he interviewed me at the cigar lounge we had then afterwards I took him to the house and then we were eat you were there as well we were eating and he was with his crew and his girl yeah and afterwards we hung out you know we were at the house and all this stuff and the generous like a truck guys got to go to sleep night game the trust I take the truck, we're talking and bring it back. Are you serious?

Starting point is 00:34:25 Yeah, he needed a car. Yeah, I forget. So anyways, so that was the experience with George. And we had him, George here with Marmar, the Assyrian, which was very interesting, different kind of an approach conversation, you know. And then he wanted to get in contact with Tate. I messaged Tate.

Starting point is 00:34:42 It's like, absolutely. And I put them in contact together. I thought the guy freaking was unbelievable. By the way, I tell you, I said this a few podcasts ago and I told him privately as well. This guy's not good. This guy has the legs to be really, really good in this space because he can not only draw from a lot of different things and he actually knows how to hold himself together under pressure and still ask the question and be fair. It's, you know, and the part about the different dynamics, then I'll go to Logan. With Logan when I watch

Starting point is 00:35:20 Logan, I think Logan is on a fricking, what do you want to call it, on a jet, you know? Rocket ship. I mean rocket ship is a better one to start him, you know, attention he's getting, you know, wrestling, they're obviously turning him into the next superstar, whoever that's going to be, is it going to be the next rock, the next this? If he's constantly winning, they're building the next hero, right, into whoever he's going to be a phenomenon going to be the next rock, the next this. If he's constantly winning, they're building the next hero, right? And to whoever he's going to be a phenomenon in that area. And soon to be a billionaire with his drink, with KSI, they're doing a billion, two billion,

Starting point is 00:35:52 or whatever they do, prime is everywhere, UFC. And when you're that young, young, going at the pace that you're going, you're going to break a lot of things. And there's not really a full blown manual because one manual, again, when I'm sizing them up, I've never spoken to Logan. again when I'm sizing them up I've never spoken to Logan this is your friend you know I've never spoken to him we've never had an exchange but when you're going that fast you got your manager you got your PR you got all these people

Starting point is 00:36:17 trying to tell you what to do and then you're trying to tell everybody to shut the let me do what I want to do but then if I say this and it's really what I said may lose this deal and lose that did and what about this and what about that? And there's this much money sitting on the table and those guys So maybe careful this because you don't want to piss those guys off because they may buy this There's so much noise. It is so noisy where he's at in here that there's nobody that knows that But probably him and guys that came before him. So maybe Iraq, you know, maybe a, you know, not that many guys, it's only going to be like 10 people that he can go to talk to that are going to understand where he's at.

Starting point is 00:36:52 Very few people. Having said that, having said that at the same time, when you're, when you're a God fearing God loving man, and you live your life the way George is living. You have grace and grace means you're going to go. God's going to bless you. He's had an incredible life. And by the way, the job he did with the interview, he's got some 330,000 subs in a month, his YouTube channel. There's guys that do that for 10 years and they don't get to 30.

Starting point is 00:37:21 He did 330 in a single month. And you know you know you know I know what it is to sit on the back of a plane and go with a crew of 10 people you trying to save money because it's like instead of buying a flight for 100 bucks and you're doing that we've all been there before when you're doing that but this guy's gonna make a lot of money. God willing he's gonna be a great father he's gonna be a great husband. He's going that route. And I think in Logan's ear when you're by yourself alone Again my opinion and I'm very comfortable being wrong for the rest of my life. I'm very comfortable being wrong It's very hard to find Jankos in your life as a friend

Starting point is 00:38:00 Did it's so hard to find a janko because the guy literally wants nothing from you. You know what I'm saying? It's not like I'm trying to, you know, and the Jankos, we all need, you know, everybody in life, there's certain people like you find it, you know, you know, when we were younger and we're dating a girl, and like that could have been the one,

Starting point is 00:38:18 but you have stopped, you screwed up. We all got that, right? You know, you're younger, you got a friend like, ah, fuck it. You know, you have like a mentor like, oh dude, that, and then mentor like, Oh, dude, that means and then eventually like, dude, I'm not doing this again. I want that friend of my life. I will never have this one up.

Starting point is 00:38:31 That girl, I'm not gonna have this one up. I want that guy in my life to give me counsel. I'm always going to protect this. And I'm going to fear the man upstairs if I fear God, because all of this stuff can be taken away from me because I lost it all early. And I want that grace I feel that level of wisdom Wisdom kindness energy with him. I think he's a star, but I think he's about to be a superstar

Starting point is 00:38:56 I think he's gonna be I think 2024 he's gonna have a good year, but I think 2025 for for Jenko is gonna be Skyrocketing I think and I think by that point, you know, and I agree with you. I mean, he really crushed that interview and I'm excited to see what he does next. And he told me some of his plans, but I think by that point, we're all talking. Like, dude, I don't do grudges. It's one thing that I do not do.

Starting point is 00:39:23 And by the way, I never had a grudge. There was there was never a single because I'll be honest, like, watching from the outside, the internet is ripe with assumptions. It is it is it is one of the most infuriating things that you deal with having a platform. You guys all know this. You're well aware of this is this this well aware of this is this this insane assumption engine and misinformation engine that just churns. And I've preferred, you know, at times to just say, say what you want. I don't, I don't give a shit.

Starting point is 00:39:55 I'm not gonna sit out here trying to correct you all because guess what? I can't. There's nothing I can say that's gonna make you think otherwise. It's just not. Right. And so I think there was a lot of assumptions

Starting point is 00:40:05 and endless it like things could have been handled very, very differently from all perspectives. No one was specifically at fault. There was things set out of anger by, I would say at some point or other by every single one of the people involved. You know, I, like I said, I was more in the, in the background of it, just trying to help facilitate a happy ending.

Starting point is 00:40:27 But from the, from the, from the, from the camera side behind closed doors, I have no, let me give you an idea. Like today, a former competitor, I used to be a part of the company. I used to be a part of 15 years. I got a great experience there. Their main guy who makes 10, 15 million a year

Starting point is 00:40:43 just left last week. Yeah. And it's a, you know, I mean, you and I haven't even talked about this. You know, everyone, what do you think about this? main guy who makes 10, 15 million a year just left last week. And it's a, you and I haven't even talked about this. You know, everyone, what do you think about this? What do you think about that? I heard this story. I heard Rico. I heard that.

Starting point is 00:40:53 I'm like, listen, don't believe any of it. Just believe what's public and what you see. Everything else is assured. There's a guy that makes up so many stories about everybody. And five years later, everybody realized that he was full of shit. He's so good at convincing everybody. Some's going, I'm not going to mention who he is.

Starting point is 00:41:13 He knows who he is. But the point is, hang on a second. The point of the matter is this. Here's the point I'm making. The point I'm making is the following. I know nothing about behind closed doors. And it's none of my business. That's between the three of you guys. But the moment you know when you turn on the camera,

Starting point is 00:41:28 like for example, who's the guy who's the guy that paid this other guy to have sex with his wife and whatever that guy's doing. Okay, so who's this guy, right? The moment you choose to do that, to get subscribers and eyeballs, you can never get upset about somebody asking you about that because you put it out there. For sure. You know what I'm saying? Who told you to do it? Don't do it. So if you don't want to be asked about it, you should have never done that clip. If you don't want to be trolled about it, you should have never done that. Why'd you do that publicly? You want to do privately do your thing? I don't care if you want to do that privately, but then you're out there for me. If I start talking politics and I'm talking

Starting point is 00:42:04 shit, guess what? Who the hell am I to be upset if I go on a Bill Mar show and Bill Mar wants to fight me and go back and forth with me? I have my opinion. I risk being out there. Well, all I'm saying is the behind the scenes stuff is between the three of you, but the one front facing the camera stuff. Look, I mean, he was a little bit bullied by his friend, you know, Logan bullied him a little bit. My, again, front, I'm not behind closers, I'm not off camera to see it. When you call somebody's faith out

Starting point is 00:42:32 and you hear some things like that, that's tough to do. Now again, I don't follow the whole thing closely to know who said this. Maybe Logan's already apologized. Maybe they've had, I have no idea all the follow-ups. But all I know is when you, when you're in the space, whatever the space is, and you see like those three guys running together,

Starting point is 00:42:49 it's kind of cool, man. Those guys are doing a very good thing. You guys are doing your thing. Those guys doing their thing. You know, you've seen like Andrew Schultz does his own show with the, oh, I love it. I love those guys that have got the cruise, right? It works.

Starting point is 00:43:01 And that's all it is. I don't want to go anymore into this story. I much rather fast forward and go into other stories, but I'll give you the final thoughts if you want to say anything about it and we'll transition out. I'm ready. Anything else on this? No, no, no. All right, cool.

Starting point is 00:43:11 I just want to quick follow up for you. This has nothing to do with this. You're in a precarious situation a lot of the times because there's a similar theme. We just talked about the George thing. We talked about the KSI. I mean, I've seen you on a situation where you're literally in between Jake and Logan, like, come on guys. You're like, hey, just sort of an innocent bystander here. Even with Tate, we know that Jake's, sorry, Logan's had beef with Tate.

Starting point is 00:43:33 But at the end of the day, you're on team Logan. Like, you're not gonna choose anybody over Logan. No, no, fuck that, dude. If you, if he fucks up, and sorry for my cursing, if he messes up, no of course you have that kind of relationship. 100% if you if you want to go back, listen, I've always had the the like kind of nickname of being this yes man. Okay, if you go back and you see who has said no the most, There have been some opportunities that I've had that I didn't take because of legal ramifications, because of ongoing things that were going on

Starting point is 00:44:10 that were happening behind the scenes where I couldn't do it, whatever. But when he's off on a topic, me and him have had falling outs where we didn't talk for a month at a time because of things that I said about him on other people's podcasts that I didn't agree with Stances that he had.

Starting point is 00:44:24 No, I have no, that's the thing that people make the mistake of. of things that I said about him on other people's podcasts that I didn't agree with Stances that he had. No, I have no, that's the thing that people make the mistake of. I owe a large chunk of my career to Logan, I owe a large chunk of my success to him. He's a good friend of mine. But we are not, I don't eat off his plate, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:44:43 I guess as it pertains to the podcast, we started the show together, we've done it all together. It was his star power that created the podcast. But I'm a separate person. You know what I'm saying? Like he makes mistakes and does things that do not involve me whatsoever. There's no decision making anymore these days

Starting point is 00:45:00 that he makes that has my blessing, my discouragement, so on and so forth. You know, so when all the stuff when when shit does hit the fan, which it inevitably will, when you are, when you have the biggest target on your back out of anyone on the planet besides maybe tape, but there's a couple other people, right? There's going to be a lot of, as I said, misinformation, assumption, so on and so forth.

Starting point is 00:45:21 All I can do is, is, is, is just continue, you know, being myself, being authentic to who I am. And then, yeah, no, there's plenty of instances of me calling him out. Plenty of instances. If people really wanted to research, they can go back to those episodes where that Christianity conversation happened.

Starting point is 00:45:41 The episode with Bobby Lee, which was very controversial with George, and you'll see me either stand up for someone or stand against someone's opinion. I by no means will ever fold to someone else based on anything. You know, if it's fake drama or wrestling stuff or fighting, then yeah, I'm gonna take his side 100%.

Starting point is 00:45:59 And even on the Jake and Logan, when they had the beef one, I think Jake wanted to bring, or the whole drink situation with Brian and the fight, everything with that. You're kind of stuck in the middle here. But whose side did I lean towards? Yeah, I think you were on Jake's side a little bit, right?

Starting point is 00:46:16 Correct, correct. So it's like, and I'm on the side of right. That's what I prefer to be on in life. That is what I want to do. I wasn't always like that. Talk about a segue. prefer to be on in life. That is that is what I want to do I wasn't always like that talk about a segue that was not always my life I was not always on the side of right the side of empathy the side of caring about other people and how they feel and how Their day is gonna go after you leave an imprint on them That was not always me. I was a piece of shit and now a lot and now a big chunk of my life is devoted to

Starting point is 00:46:43 Yo, how can I how can I continue to treat people well and stand up for injustices when I see them happening? It doesn't matter who's sitting next to me, I don't care who it is. Mike, what's the biggest difference between Logan and Jake? Because mom and dad should be sitting there saying, like, is it the spirit of competition that they're so flipping competitive

Starting point is 00:47:09 that they drive each other? Like, because it's a difference between Tate's dynamic when you see the two versus- Compliment. Very different, right? You have to compliment each other. Yeah, these guys look like absolute crazy, crazy psycho competitive.

Starting point is 00:47:24 Is that a misread on how competitive they are? No, no, no, they are. They both are. And I think, and I think, and I think the difference between them and the Tates is Tristan, I think, is, you know, like his brother, a very powerful, driven, you know, opinionated person.

Starting point is 00:47:47 But I think he is comfortable playing a complimentary role to the big, bad Andrew Tate, you know, character. And he's cool playing, he's cool being Pippin. At least it seems like from the outside, I don't know if that's necessarily the case when you get close to them and have those behind the scenes conversations. These two were never going to be Jordan and Pippin.

Starting point is 00:48:08 It's Jordan and Jordan or Jordan LeBron. They're not, they're, they don't want, it's not a, I don't like you. They love each other. But damn, it seems like sometimes watching it, that competition can almost like start to haze over what they really have, which is a brotherhood. I mean, they're freaking brothers, but they are so the two guys are just so freaking driven,

Starting point is 00:48:32 you know, to succeed. But that's on the younger brother, because most younger brothers are going to sit there and be like, all right, that's my big bro. And you're by the way, you're spot on with Tristan. I think, I mean, even if you see old fight footage of Andrew and, and Tristan Tristan was the corner man. He was the cut man, hyping him up. Like that's his been his role. And by the way, Tristan, absolute stuff. Gentlemen, we spent time with them.

Starting point is 00:48:52 They're amazing. But I think there was something in Jake that he's like, nah, I'm not, I'm not going to be the Robin to your Batman. I'm going to be freaking Superman myself. And like there's something happening. I know they grew up humble wrestling, Ohio. So there must be some major competitive fires going on. It comes from Greg from the dad. You know, their father is intensely competitive and talk about conservative, you know, like real deal,

Starting point is 00:49:18 like backwoods, Ohio, like, you know, and he's super competitive. Oh, yeah. The father. Oh, yeah. And his, does he poke them. And he's super competitive. Oh, yeah. The father. Oh, yeah. And his, does he poke? Does he drive or not really? Oh, yeah. OK. I mean, there you go. Then that's, uh, he pushes.

Starting point is 00:49:30 I think it's worked for them, meaning whatever Tristan and Andrew Tater doing has worked for them. Yeah, especially now they're in jail. It's like teamwork, brotherhood. Are they in jail right now? Not no, not at all. No, not at all. When they were with what they're going through now, when they were just in jail. Yeah no, no. No, no. No, no. No, no.

Starting point is 00:49:45 No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no.

Starting point is 00:49:53 No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no.

Starting point is 00:50:01 No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. The two boys being united or competitive as the father Yeah, both things what you have in common is a very strong father personality, right? Yeah based on what you're talking about and Emeryn and Greg right now guess the best podcast would have been the two fathers, right? But I think his father passed away October 16 2015. Can you check to see emery Tate? When did he die? Are you big with stats like that?

Starting point is 00:50:25 I'm big with days. What day did he die? Let's see what day. October 15, 2017. October 17, 2015. I'm sorry, October 17, 2015. I was one day off. So when you think about fathers, here's what you'll notice, Adam.

Starting point is 00:50:39 Father on one side says, if you guys even fight each other, I'm the one that's going to come in, do this. The other one is poking against, right? They're both effective, but one is gonna lead to this, and the other one's gonna lead to, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Regardless, you're gonna know both of them. But even deep down inside, that only works

Starting point is 00:51:03 if the boys have the psycho competitive DNA wiring in them. And I think all four of them got it. You know, Tristan, if you're around Tristan, it's a very, very Tristan's a very interesting guy. He flowed. He doesn't even touch though. He just does. Is he actually able to let me touch it? Bro, Tristan is so chill and a big testament to talking Oh, does he? Is he actually able to? The So So And the big testament to talking about brothers loyalty, bro, when they came to get Andrew Tristan wasn't arrested. He just was like wherever my brother's going, I'm going with it.

Starting point is 00:51:36 Like literally was just like, I'm they're like, no, you're not the rest. They're like, no, I'm going wherever my brother goes. And that's like the testament of what are you saying that that Jake would just let Logan get arrested and he'd stay at home I don't know Like most no no Shakes not going to Jay That's what he mean. No, let me you guys got siblings. Yeah, I have a brother. Yeah, I was going to jail with him I will know my brother. No, dude. If you're gonna

Starting point is 00:52:03 The answer is no in that situation. If we're in a different country, me and my brother about to go into a freaking gulag. I'm going with my brother. Well, yeah, my brother knows that. Yeah, if you're going into a Spartan fight and you have this one of us, one of you needs to stay out and get bail money, bro.

Starting point is 00:52:17 No, no, if me and my brother were in Tristan and Andrew's situation and they're about to take me to some, it is in America't America or in a different country I'm 100% going my brother hands. Yes, so that's it That's it. Yeah, I guess if you're in a place where like they're in Romania, bro I know the judge doesn't speak English and the guards. I know I might you get arrested God forbid Miami Just call me. I'm not gonna jail with you. I'll bail you out. Okay. Well, I think I'm gonna call him I'll bail you out. Okay, I think I'm gonna call him.

Starting point is 00:52:43 We'll go with him. He's coming with you. We'll go with him. By the way, let me ask, I don't think, I don't think Jake would let anything happen to Logan. I agree 100%. I don't think Jake would let anything happen to Logan. And I think Logan, as an older brother,

Starting point is 00:52:57 sometimes you'll test to see how much your brother can take. And I think he would jump in as well. But Andrew and Tristan, they're gangsters. I love it. It's a very different mindset. Okay, the mindset of a gangster is no one is going to come in between us. Anybody that's again, like I remember we had it in the, and this is why we get along very easily. Like it was a natural connection we had. We're in the Army. It's me and my friend Jeff White Guy from Victorville, California. And we had a couple other guys. We had McElroy

Starting point is 00:53:27 and it was mainly the three of us, right? We had a couple other guys, but it was mainly the three of us. If you even said one thing, listen, me and Jeff are at lunch chow hall. We have a fight going on him and I were full on fighting. We go afterwards to the gym where racketquetball is being played. Two black girls are playing racquetball. We said, do you mind if we come in here real quick? Unless you guys want to play with us.

Starting point is 00:53:51 We said, absolutely. I'm not even I'm if he's listening to this, he will remind the story. I swear to God, he will tell you this. Oh, who's winning? He went into the racquetball. We went into the racquetball. We asked the girls to get out for 20 minutes.

Starting point is 00:54:07 I swear to God. I believe it. What are you saying? So Bradford's been Bradford. So we get an amazing show. Oh, this is Bradford? Bradford, yeah. Whiskey Bradford?

Starting point is 00:54:15 Yes. So we get into a full-on fight, right? Guess what happens? We're both bleeding. We went to the gym. We worked out. Our friends came and they're making fun of us, and then we fought them. Because we can do this to each other,

Starting point is 00:54:29 you can't talk to us like this, what do you think you are? You're not in the circle, don't even think about like, but that's the mindset of a gangster. Gangsters are wired in a different way. The gangster model is, it happens in business, like Trump is a gangster, It is a certain basketball, like Michael Jordan was a gangster, right? Pat Riley is a gangster.

Starting point is 00:54:50 It is a different mindset. You don't have to be politically on the same side. It's simply a way of thinking that if you, God forbid, are no longer loyal to me, if somebody screws you over, dude, we're rolling together. That's how we're rolling. It's not for, yeah.

Starting point is 00:55:05 That's not, you don't see that very often in nowadays. It's, that's a, that's a traditional thought. Like I think back to my old lifestyle that is in the fifth vital, which you know, you read and I think back to a time where dude, one cross word about you you defended yourself Half as hard as you defended your friends if somebody you people could come up to you and say a bunch of shit And you're just not I'm not I don't want to catch another felony tonight But one wrong word about your your boy who might be a little bit smaller, bro

Starting point is 00:55:38 You're you're it's it's we're all die here. We could all fucking die here. I don't care You know what I'm saying like that that that mentality Exists I always think of the movie the town which is one. I love that. I know exactly goes in like I Can't I can't tell you I can't tell you what we're doing. I can't tell where you're going But we're gonna hurt somebody can never break you can never ask me about again, and he doesn't hesitate goes who's car we take Instantaneous He doesn't hesitate. He goes, who's car we taking? Just instantaneous. Such a great scene. You've seen it on Instagram a million times.

Starting point is 00:56:07 Because when you think about it, a lot of times it comes down to what are the circumstances that you're up against as a team. Of course, Logan and Jake, from their respective 20 and 25 million dollar mansions behind the gates of a, you know, a gated community in Puerto Rico might look at the, the circumstances that they're up against differently than the tape brothers who are, who are facing a, you know, other jailmates in a Romanian prison, right?

Starting point is 00:56:34 Or, or, you know, or, or what you were up against when you were in the army. I think, I think conditions in a lot of ways dictate how you act as a human in this world. No, I don't, I don't disagree. So, so now you're living in California, right? I want to read this. You just tweeted this, okay?

Starting point is 00:56:49 California. And you said this about California. Now Vinny and I, we've both lived in California, 20 some years. It's almost 17 years. Okay, so here's how he paints California to be. You ready? Mike.

Starting point is 00:57:03 California is the girl. You love so much, but she's gonna ruin your life if you don't get away. Really sad because it really is the most beautiful state. Okay? Now, Mike, I've seen you also tweet and you'll jump into chats and defend all sides, right? Love, love, love, sorry. Yeah, you'll defend the left liberal

Starting point is 00:57:28 And what about this and what about that and you'll jump in and you'll on stuff you'll jump in a bunch of people stuff, right? but How do you say that California's like? the left the liberals heaven on earth where there's unicorns and there's like, you know that's right remember that one dog unicorn Leneva ending story Yeah, that's California. How do you say something like this about the question? Why do you think I made that tweet that tweet is exactly? evidence of the of the California. Yeah, I Fell in love with California. I fell in love with that state

Starting point is 00:58:06 I mean Dana White one of the most, you know, right-leaning conservative free speech free think anti-establishment people Will say that California is the most beautiful state in the country the most The most beautiful state in the country I remember when I went there. He also said that Miami is the new in the country. I remember when I went there. He also said that Miami is the new LA. Hold on a second, let me get to that. Go ahead, go ahead.

Starting point is 00:58:27 But, but, but, but, but. They gotta update that picture, Dan. I don't appreciate that. They're not good. That's a lie. No, he's better looking. We're getting on, well I'm gonna call Wikipedia. By the way, I had dinner with Dan two nights ago in Vegas.

Starting point is 00:58:40 He does not look like that. Of course not. He looks 10 years younger. Does Wikipedia lean left yet? Because they're probably not the founder, but the current Wikipedia. Yeah, but go ahead, finish your story. Your state.

Starting point is 00:58:52 Your Wikipedia was great, by the way. I learned a lot from it. Five eight, though. Five eight. But I went out there for the first time, I think, in 2016, and was greeted by a coastline, by palm trees, by hills, by an environment that was alien to my eyes that had been locked into a hell of an existence for a decade. And I saw this place that was creative, that was warm, that was just all encompassing

Starting point is 00:59:25 of the dream that we have as creatives in this country. And I fell in love and I said, I will at the very least live here, but I probably will die in the state. And I, because I so much fell in love with it. And- Where specifically? With Los Angeles.

Starting point is 00:59:43 With California in general, Mark Twain called Big Sur, he has this beautiful love story about Big Sur and there's a lot of beautiful places in California but I but LA and specific I just really had this had found a home for myself there and and kind of you know infamously bought this you know four plus million dollar house there you know a couple years ago and just have been gung-ho had been showed your mom to the house and she was in tears emotional. Yeah, I remember that. My mom's been through a lot. Yeah, been through a lot. And I'll be honest with you, I haven't talked about this. But I have been I'm not I can't get into too much detail, but I've been the victim of some crime

Starting point is 01:00:22 in Los Angeles. A number of times. times. This is completely not public, no one knows about it, I'll talk about it all. But crime that is perpetrated by some of the most ass-backwards policies that could ever be fucking imagined. I mean just disgusting catch and release policies that that almost reward criminal behavior in a way that does not even begin to make sense. Like, like who will get into this. Now that we're onto the serious topics in a second, hopefully, similar to the situation at the border, who the fuck thinks that these are these policies make any sense? Disgusting. It used to be, I committed crimes. I had to go to court.

Starting point is 01:01:12 I was on a very short leash so that if I did anything wrong, again, I was gonna do a five-year prison sentence. I was given a little bit of leniency by people who believed in me and put me in the substance abuse programs and helped me along the way. But my crimes were not violent in nature. They were possession of drugs that I was using to harm myself.

Starting point is 01:01:33 These people in Los Angeles and New York City and some of these other places, and yes, let's all agree, a lot of blue states. I'm happy to talk about policies in a solitary nature and discuss each policy. It's important for people to hear the fact that you probably identify yourself as a blue yourself. No, I've always been policy based. This is something I'm so excited to talk to you about. The world is not black and white. If you subscribe 100% wholly to the right or the left in every single one of their policies, you're lying. You're lying to yourself. You're not being

Starting point is 01:02:14 truthful to yourself because there are policies that exist. There are thousands of policies and you're telling me that someone on one side of the aisle has gotten all of them right with the exception of none. Like would you would you say that that's the case? I'm fully there. Okay okay gray area there's a lot of factors involved with a lot of policies how they exist how they put in action how they're executed in states that are semi-blue kind of blue kind of red there's so much meat there that to be able to say I am this side or that side which people do, which too many people are doing nowadays, is disgusting.

Starting point is 01:02:48 I consider myself nowadays to be moderate right. That's just where I am. I- This has gotta be very recent though. It's not, it's really not. It's a perception. It's a perception, a perception that exists because of my alignment with someone else.

Starting point is 01:03:05 It is, and by the way, maybe even that is a miscalculation to assume that Logan is a liberal, maybe in certain ways. But that's one of the issues that I've been up against on the internet has been me being in a way defined by a relationship with someone else. We just spent one hour of this show talking about that person. That's no disrespect.

Starting point is 01:03:27 It's a huge part of the storyline. But think about how much his actions have trickled off to make people believe they know me by way of who I'm friends and who I work with. Yes, your circle says something about you, but it certainly doesn't define you to a T. It just doesn't, right? People say you're a result

Starting point is 01:03:46 of the five people you spend the most of your time around. Well, you got one of them. Are you going to take into consideration the other four? Yeah. So who influences you? Who influences your politics? Honestly, I like to believe that a lot of it is driven through life, through personal experience, which is why I'm excited to be sitting down with some people who have that, and have a conversation with people who have probably been through a lot of things in their own lives.

Starting point is 01:04:14 I think that you gain a lot of your own perspective and life through experience. The idea that you're gonna be 22 years old and you're just gonna develop a set of bulletproof policy principles based on someone else's speeches. Crazy to me. Yeah, my casual question to bro. So what living in Cali, I was there for Pat moved, you were in Dallas and then you came here, right, Pat? So I was there, I was there during the Trump thing and as a standup, Mike, they locked everything down. If I even mentioned Trump

Starting point is 01:04:41 on stage and I'm not a political comedian, but once in a while I'll make something funny to try to, don't talk about that, comedy club owners are like, yo, you can't be talking about this guy. What do you think your, because for me it was, Trump, that was it. Like everybody just split right down the middle, and I didn't even know what left or right,

Starting point is 01:04:59 or anything was, so this guy came in, I swear to God. You guys, the military split. You talking about Trump? Trump came in, and then I swear to God, I didn't know what left or right was and then I came I go oh okay now I see the split what was what do you think was your shift for you where you were like oh my god like Cali's just going down because why would they incentivize they defund the police they tell people you could steal under a thousand bucks they're making these criminals you yourself you're basically

Starting point is 01:05:24 saying that you're a victim. What was that shift? And why are they giving these criminals such a leeway to get out and keep doing this? There has to be a plan. What are they doing? I don't know. That's my question.

Starting point is 01:05:35 I just don't understand it. I don't understand. I've heard obviously all of the different ideas around Soros and funding and blue states and what it does for the greater establishment, if you wanna say that. But some of these policies seem so common sense. Okay, we had a mayoral race in Los Angeles. I'm sure you are familiar with Caruso versus Karen.

Starting point is 01:06:03 A lot of people on a Caruso I'm going to his house. Yeah, I'm going to sorry the founder of Netflix was it this this event or a Yeah in Beverly Hills hosting these things right I'm looking around me all of these people who seem to represent every Working-class celebrity class money class. I'm saying to myself, every single person is behind this guy because of how bad the city is right now, the homelessness, the crime. Behind Caruso. Everybody, you were all there, I'm looking around me and I'm looking at the numbers start to creep up.

Starting point is 01:06:35 And by the way, Left Rice Center, they were behind Caruso. Caruso was one of those mayors that actually people from the left, even Hollywood, were kinda sick of it. We kinda like this guy. Because, because he was, I like to say that he was Trump without the theatrics. Because you got to understand,

Starting point is 01:06:57 you did a Twitter live the other day and someone by the name of Good Logic jumped in, he was a speaker and he said that he's hoping that Trump takes a more positive approach in his campaign this year. More positive, a little bit more relaxed in his visceral towards- The media and everybody.

Starting point is 01:07:19 Ferociousness towards everyone, right? And I agree wholeheartedly. I think very similar to what I call Tate 2.0. He was so boisterous to a point with certain beliefs, with certain things that were meant to fire up a crowd to get them to kind of join and believe in him, that it got him in trouble to an extent that it shadowed all the really positive stuff that he had to say to the young men of this world about working

Starting point is 01:07:55 out, eating the right things, focusing on, you know, religion or whatever it was at the time. And I think, you know, in a lot of ways, Trump really needs to look at the fact that he has a base that is locked in. He doesn't have to do the reporter thing anymore. He doesn't have to call people fat. He doesn't have to, he doesn't have to do that. In fact, I believe that's some of the stuff that works against him as he, as he continues to try to garner the moderate right. Because listen, like he's got his side locked in.

Starting point is 01:08:27 Mag is ready to rock, they're ready to go. You know what I'm saying? But he doesn't need just the anti-establishment, he needs a good chunk of the establishment as well. And I think that the rhetoric calm down that Tate fashioned is important for Trump in this election as well or at least will will behoove and benefit him and so I say that is because Caruso business owner billionaire

Starting point is 01:08:53 owns the Grove owns a bunch of commercial real estate but with soft spoken I want to do this I want to help these people I have a plan this is my plan none of the bullshit none of the your fat your whore any of that type of shit I don't fat, your whore, any of that type of shit. That's paraphrasing, right? But that type of visceral. Didn't do it. Didn't do it because I think he knew that, but now you look at the results and he lost. So I don't know. Yeah, I don't know what the right thing was. And I hear you saying this and it's going to, I mean,

Starting point is 01:09:21 easier said than done with all the stuff that they're doing to Trump since then to now Mike I see the reservation right now from him. He's kind of being cool But dude, it's gonna be hard because you know the cheating the all the media stuff all that what they're indicted him and everything And he's still kicking ass. I'm hoping that what you're saying is that he just plays it cool because everybody's you know why they're all scared He's gonna come in and shit on everybody, which in all fairness, he has to me the green light to do whatever the hell he wants to do in the sense that they've been doing nothing but trying to cheat and keep him out of office. A fairly duly elected dude, they started from 2016. It hasn't stopped, if you think about it,

Starting point is 01:09:59 from Hillary Clinton to right now, today, in court to this very day, it's anti-Trump. He's the evil, racist, this, and now we're hearing stories where what, even Snoop Dogg, now is gone. You know what? You know what? He's actually a G. I just think there's similarly to what we talked about with the situation with the show and how it played out, looking back, there's just so many things

Starting point is 01:10:22 that could have gone differently. I watched the Shapiro Destiny debate on Lex Friedman. Which I think, did you see that? He told me about it, I haven't seen it yet. Lex Friedman, obviously incredible, just inquisitive investigator and interviewer. Put these two guys down together for what I would consider to be one of the more just relaxed

Starting point is 01:10:44 and respectful interviews that exists in the in the political space like like just a really you know very respectful you know argument and they had a full breakdown of of j6 and the way that they they both kind of agreed that that that just what like like the the that just wasn't a win a game plan win for Trump and how that and how that worked out. There were mistakes made the the the courts that that investigated it all the investigations have led to absolutely no evidence that there was any kind of interference with that with the election or enough interference has claimed by the Trump camp to influence the outcome

Starting point is 01:11:26 of the election. But then to say that there was an insurrection incitement on Trump was reaching too far. But I think everyone was in agreement there that it was not the best idea for him to claim that he had won that election. What are your thoughts on that? Do you think that there was election interference?

Starting point is 01:11:45 Absolutely. But what does that mean though? So you gotta unpack what election interference means. Yeah, what do you mean by absolutely? Yeah, I mean, what did the judge say the other day on what happened in Arizona, you know, this many that people counted for, that many in court, and they're just kinda talking about it.

Starting point is 01:12:03 In Congress, in fucking Congress. But okay, let's go through levels of it, right? From the lowest to the highest, lowest level of every single person in mainstream media called him to be a Russian spy or Russian connected this, you know, sponsored by Russia. Everything Hillary Clinton said that he was doing, she was doing. I mean, that's that's the gamesmanship of Hillary Clinton. You got to respect what she does, right? So the mainstream media played the role of selling them as the monster that he is. Number two, if you want to talk about election fraud, when the New York Post

Starting point is 01:12:39 story came out with a Hunter Biden laptop, 50 of the highest ranking officials in CIA came out saying that this laptop story is fake. 50. They said this is fake. And let me ask you, let me ask you a quick question. Just to hop in for a sec. This is the, this is the part of the dialogue that and also I don't, I don't know how deep I wanna get into this stuff because you made a point earlier. You didn't know or understand left versus right politics until Trump came home, right? Do you ever wish we could go back?

Starting point is 01:13:19 Do any of you guys ever wish we could go back? Do you ever wish we could go back to a time where we talked about the president of the United States on one day out of the year? Who'd you vote for today? Oh dope, cool. Did you see the fucking Lakers Golden State game last night? That is one of the all time classics.

Starting point is 01:13:36 LeBron versus Steph Curry, To the Death, free throws, three pointers. I'm your friend, you're my friend. I'm not saying policies, issues, the things that are affecting us are not the most important conversation. The average person would agree with you, but I'm going to tell you a story and I'm going to finish the thought as well when you ask a question about it. So for me, the whole New York Post thing is you keep that story away from the people. Let me just write the

Starting point is 01:14:01 sentence so I can tell you the story. So you keep that story from the people and you New York Post calls Twitter, Twitter doesn't put up, oh shit, yeah, we're not going to put it up because of this and it was going viral. And that could have been the difference on who you're going to vote and then you bring these 50 CI agents who are professional liars to say the fact that, yeah, you know, this was, it's just a con job. It's not a real story. Then Kamala Harris first turns around and says, I would never do the vaccine with this much of research that took place, especially under a Trump administration. And when does the Pfizer vaccine come out?

Starting point is 01:14:33 That's ready? Or to Johnson and Johnson and Moderna? You know, when? Two days after election is over with. The number of timings that happened on one day launched a vaccine that was done by Trump, two days later on Thursday, they say the vaccine is ready. But let me go back to the question about,

Starting point is 01:14:46 do you wish we could go back to XYZ? Okay, it's a very tricky question. The answer will be, what am I solving for? If I'm solving for pure oblivious happiness, yes, 100%, I wanna go back to it. But if I'm solving for life to be a man that defends and is able to fight for some people that maybe they can't and God put certain things in my heart that I can't stop thinking about and he allows

Starting point is 01:15:22 you to use certain weapons and gifts to fight off the bullies, and you see that as a responsibility? No, I'm kind of glad I know about it because for me, I'm not solving for the oblivious happiness. When I was a kid, when I say kid, I'm 22 years old, I had an uncle of mine, I've told the story to you before. Had an uncle of mine, is then Albert, love this man, till today, I've never met a human being happier

Starting point is 01:15:44 than Albert, never. And when I tell you I've never met a human being happier than Albert. Never. And when I tell you I've never, Surayla, I've never met a human being happier than Albert. I miss him so much. I love him so much. He's not doing well health by I ask my dad every time. If anybody from Albert's family's seen this, please share this with him. Albert Janagiga Ashugat. I love you. At the God, the robber important ashe with God, he ought to attack God to come out and oh, this guy would give me a hundred dollars when our family did have a nickel I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you.

Starting point is 01:16:07 I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you.

Starting point is 01:16:15 I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you.

Starting point is 01:16:23 I love you. I love you. I love you. I love roommates a 21 years old when I'm 21, this is after the army, I'm just like a whole different life at this point. And he would come and he says, putting Kings of Comedy. And I would put Kings of Comedy. And he says, go to Bernie Mac. Two, four, six, you know. Love, come help me baby, sit this mother,

Starting point is 01:16:40 you know that whole scene, right? I've seen that a few hundred times because of Albert. And he would sit there and I would say, parmout mu madana, do you understand what they're saying? Es len hechmen di lemme da. Not at all, not one thing. Zero. But I love this black man.

Starting point is 01:16:55 Oh my God. My uncle loved Bernie Mac. And then one scene, this is a very important scene. He's over there sitting on the couch. The TV is there. Our living room, small, four, five hundred square foot apartment, right? This is the kitchen. There's a wall between the kitchen and there, and that's the fridge in the corner, right?

Starting point is 01:17:14 And my dad comes, he says, Tico Talacha. Come here, Patrick. He says, Albert hagesh. Gash, mujul gikh gela. Look at him. Look how he's laughing. You will never meet a happier man than this. He said, be careful reading all the books that you're reading because you will never have this.

Starting point is 01:17:30 Wow. What a frickin' thing to say. He said, be careful reading the books you read because you will never have this innocent happiness ever again. Because when you become too smart and you're reading constantly, they wanted to find out the different purpose of it's a curse Absolutely double-edged sword look at Lenny from mice and men That's right What's the moral the story the moral to answer question for you if I'm sad if I'm solving for what I'm solving for all day

Starting point is 01:18:03 Long I'm glad we're learning about it. Because they're showing their cards on how they want to control you and why they want to control you and why they want that kind of power over you and I. And it's actually a very interesting case study to look at the way they're doing it. And to me, I sit there and I say, okay, I should think the last four years were terrible for establishment people. Because you know why? Because they thought they had it. That's done. This is their chance. Don't worry even for public about it right now. Go, go, go, hurry up. Go, go, shit broke this broke. Oh, don't worry. Go, go shit. Everything's breaking. Go, go, go, go.. Oh shit. We didn't make it now. They know

Starting point is 01:18:47 What the hell do we do? I think that's what I mean. That's where we are right now But no for sure dude no one no one yeah, sorry and they hang up But Mike and here's the thing though both they had a chance they had a chance this three years We're gonna go for they had a chance to go. Hey guys this Trump racist Everything economy, but we're gonna show you they had all this time and just like you just nailed it Everything is broken. There's leaks and shit everywhere. This the ship is sinking But they're like no help come on open board everybody come here and this is the thing Mike just and just a really fast to interject I I am not saying ignorance is bliss but but to go back then, I think now that Trump, and dude again,

Starting point is 01:19:27 God chose this spray tan, whatever guy you're fired, he pulled open a curtain and he went, hey everybody, look. And now there's no going back. The fake news, yes, he said it crazy, because he's not a public speaker, he pulled open the curtain, showed everybody, hey guys, I'm sacrificing this all, because he's not a public speaker. He pulled open the curtain, showed everybody, hey guys, I'm sacrificing this all,

Starting point is 01:19:48 because his name is screwed, he's not to go to jail. He said, look at them, this is the people that I was cool with, the swamp that he was talking about. I turned on them, and now look at them showing their faces, and I think he did it. He got in way too deep, way too fast, but now there's no turning back, that's it. I just don't know, I just don't have that level And I think he did it. He got it way too deep, way too fast, but now there's no turning back. That's it.

Starting point is 01:20:05 I just don't know. I just don't have that level of trust in any but, like even like, you talk about anti-establishment, right? Like he's got Nixon his armor on anti-establishment as well. You know what I'm saying? I mean, you know that the vaccine, Trump, the vaccine case for him was, yeah. Oh, do you know how I do anti establishment establishment?

Starting point is 01:20:27 Oh, very simple. Give everybody a score. Right. For example, you know how I, Andrew Cuomo, right? I said this four years ago, the DeSantis people keep putting you back up because they're like, I can't believe your support. You said this about Andrew Cuomo. Let me say it to you again, to the DeSantis community whom I loved dearly ready. I said it four years ago I said Andrew Como maybe the best candidate for president Democrats have I Still stand by that because to me Andrew Como is an anti-establishment Democrat That's why the establishment Democrat hates Andrew Como they can't stand them because they can't use them.

Starting point is 01:21:07 See, the establishment to me with Trump, you go into Trump, okay? Score Trump as establishment, anti-establishment. Because we can score everybody. Like if we score Biden, he's 100% established. 100% established. You go to Newsom, Newsom is establishment, right? Mitch McConnell, establishment, right?

Starting point is 01:21:24 You go to all of these guys, you can score them. You can go to Andrew Como, maybe different kind of establishment, right? You put them at a 50-50 or 60-40 or 70-30. Trump, of course there's 10, 20% establishment, but it's 80% anti-establishment. Can I ask you one question about that when you say anti-establishment?

Starting point is 01:21:41 It's almost weird because to be on, okay, like the right side is obviously, is obviously pro-small government, right? To be on the right, you don't want the government in your business, right? But to be on the right, you also have to be a believer in the original form of establishment,

Starting point is 01:22:03 which is the Constitution of the United States of America, do not feel like the Constitution in some way contributes to what at least ended up becoming the establishment? Yeah, but the Constitution was to protect UNI. Like what was the purpose of you having freedom of speech? So you can say whatever you wanna do, to protect we, the people. Second amendment was to protect the people. Freedom of press was to protect we, the people. Second amendment was to protect we, the people.

Starting point is 01:22:25 Freedom of press was to protect who. We, everything is to protect you and I. So the concept is the collective and the individual, right? Is pump up the collective. We are good, but at the same time, you better make sure you recognize the individual. We've gone all here. We don't recognize the individual anymore.

Starting point is 01:22:43 We demonize the individual. Trump's a bad man. Elon Musk, bad man. These people are bad people. These billionaires are bad people, right? The establishment has got a very different thought pattern than you and I do. The establishment doesn't want you and I to think for ourselves. The establishment doesn't want ideas being challenged. The establishment wants to make you and I look here and get distracted from what's really going on here on the most unique days. They'll pass a bill or a law that nobody's paying attention to it. This isn't the Constitution isn't the establishment. The Constitution was actually

Starting point is 01:23:19 built to fight against the establishment that they were experiencing in. To protect from. Of course, what we had before. That's the whole that they were experiencing in. To protect from. Of course, what we had before. That's the whole concept of what was created. I think the perfect analogy is what you talk about in the book, the barbarians, the bureaucrats. The establishment is the bureaucracy. It's the red tape, basically, it's the institutional, not the institution, it's the visionaries, the George Washington's of the world.

Starting point is 01:23:43 The prophets, the barbarians, the builder explorer, the administrator, the barbararies, the George Washington's of the world. The profits, the barbarians, the builder explorer, the administrator, the barbarian, the bureaucrats, and a synergist brings it all together. And you bring up a good point with the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution. That's great, that's the framework for what we're talking about today.

Starting point is 01:23:56 But then they add the pork and the bellies and the bullshit and the bureaucracy and everything on that. But let me go back to you. And you see what's going on in California. Let me go back to you. How much red tape is it? Yeah, I'm glad you went there. So are you at a point where you're willing

Starting point is 01:24:07 to leave her, California? Um, yeah. I mean, I gotta get out from under a four and a half million dollar house. It's in a soft market because of rates. Makes sense. And so that's gonna take a minute, but yeah, I'll come to Florida.

Starting point is 01:24:22 My girlfriend's here. I mean, I'll come to Texas. I love a girlfriend's here. I mean, I'll come to I'll go to Texas. I love a lot of people in Texas. I'll go to I'll go to a state. You know, honestly, I think as you as you, whether you make money or don't make money as you age, you start to put a price on feeling safe. I say that like it's a novel idea. I'm over here. Say dude, Los Angeles is fucking horrible.

Starting point is 01:24:43 You know, it is? It is insane. But I would not... My mom's coming there. I have LAPD at the house. You know what I'm saying? Like, she'll be there the whole time she's here. Is that crazy that you have to do that? The whole time she's here.

Starting point is 01:24:56 Mike, I'm the only one who has never lived in LA. I mean, I've been out there sort of for a little vacation, a little bit. I'm a Miami guy. Crazy. Rank in order, especially since you've made money, you came from Connecticut, you broke, you didn't have any money, came to LA. Rank the order in which why you're leaving.

Starting point is 01:25:08 Taxes, homelessness, crime. Not home, not homelessness. But what is it? Because I hear everything and everything about California. Well, stop three, Mikey. You wanna know what's weird about it because of where the things that I come from and the things that I went through in my life,

Starting point is 01:25:22 I have empathy for situations and policies in different perspectives than other people might. When it comes to something like homelessness, it's almost hard for me to be angry about that because of how I feel for these people. Many of them veterans of this country many of them brothers sisters People have fallen victim to substance abuse people have been have been screwed over by the system because a lack of resources in this country And so for me to say oh there's such an eyesore Oh such an eyesore and they're so like that couldn't be me because that was me that was me that was you You know what I'm saying, to an extent.

Starting point is 01:26:06 So that one's always been tough for me because I just, so like for me it's softness on crime is gotta be number one. What are we doing, fuck that, softness on violent crime. What are we doing? What is the point of being soft on violent criminals? That has to be the most spit in the face to a positive culture and environment that could ever exist.

Starting point is 01:26:33 What are we doing? What is the point of that? Of saying, okay, this person just went and violently assaulted a woman or anyone and he is gonna come in, he's gonna fill out a piece of paperwork and leave the police station insane With no bail with no bond and no promise to appease just gone right like ridiculous. That's insane

Starting point is 01:26:54 number two number two has got to be taxes because Let me tell you what's worse than paying the country's highest tax rate, which is that which I do yeah cities by city I pay 40 pay 39% the country's highest tax rate, which I do, city, by city. I pay 39% federal, I pay 13% state, and I pay 1% Los Angeles city tax. I am in the highest tax bracket, that exists in this nation, okay? So your 14% half the money is gone.

Starting point is 01:27:19 Gone, let me tell you what sucks. More than half. Let me tell you what sucks worse than paying that tax percentage. Paying it and not seeing anything fucking happen as a result of it. You look around you, everything is broken. All the stores are boarded up.

Starting point is 01:27:36 All the people are, now we get into the homeless thing. We're not doing anything. We're not making advances in mental illness assistance and substance coverage in homing for these people. So number two would be taxes and number three would just be, I think number one and the two covers it. I mean, it's like, what else do you need to say

Starting point is 01:28:01 when you're being betrayed by the people? By the people that you put in charge of? You ask a great question to kind of make one thing, right, on why you're leaving and you kind of having to sit there and kind of go through the process. But I ordered a book one time. We're playing this game with our crew, our guys. I want them to think about, you know,

Starting point is 01:28:22 in the insurance business, you're building your own office. Well, I want you to read this book, Book the insurance business, you're building your own office. Well, I want you to read this book, Book of the Month, How to Build Your Own Country. Build your own country. Yeah, you build your own country. How do you build it? I never thought about start a mountain country. Okay, well now do.

Starting point is 01:28:34 Go think about it. What is the most important thing? That's the book, by the way, right there. It was a kid's book. What's the most important thing? Seriously, that's the book. It's a really good book. That's the same book Newsome read.

Starting point is 01:28:46 It's designed in California. Please don't come to my house. Leave me the fuck alone. But now you can never leave California after what you just said. But no, no, but so you read this and you think about who's the most important person to decide what country the family's going to move to? By far and away, it's the kids, it's the mother feeling one. The mother, which is what word? It's a one word, it starts with the letter S. It's safety. Safety and security.

Starting point is 01:29:11 Am I gonna be safe? And by the way, look what he's saying though. I know. He's saying, mom's gotta come over, she best feels safe, I'm with my girl, I better feel safe. Jen and I, we move into our first house after we get married, couple months after we get married. We move into this house off of Encino, Boulevard,

Starting point is 01:29:29 whatever it was, off of Balboa and Northridge, down the street from our office, okay? So, okay. Got a Range Rover, I parked the car outside, we're having our first kid. Guy breaks into my car, takes my, what do you call it, backpack, everything that I have, system, stereo, everything. Brandon Ranger overtakes it.

Starting point is 01:29:51 Okay, all right, let's go buy a bunch of guns. I'm a military guy, so guess what? I'm good, let's go buy a bunch of guns. We'll go buy a bunch of guns. You gotta wait a month, no problem. All right, cool. Come to the house, great. Then I'm sitting there saying, so let me get this straight, a guy is this close to the house, great. Then I'm sitting there saying, so let me get this straight,

Starting point is 01:30:05 a guy is this close to the front door and there is no guy at the gate. Yeah, I'm not good with this. So we gotta go to a different place. So then I go find a gated community. We move instantly because when I'm on the road, you can't come mess with my family. It's just, you know, the natural DNA,

Starting point is 01:30:20 the wiring we have and when we have kids or you, when you have kids, life changes in a very weird way very weird way and and like right now i'm texting my wife because two of my kids are not feeling well so i'm like here but i'm also checking to see how they're doing yeah i stopped by sent out today to just go check on her before i went to a meeting at the house just checking on the family they're good but you know father thinks that way then we're going to the gated community secure we come here, security. Everything like number one, just to simplify, you can list 50 different things, but it starts off

Starting point is 01:30:50 with security. But here's to go off where you're at. Because I think you asked a question because I think you have one thing in your mind that you're not ready for, but you know that decision is coming in about nine and a half months. let me tell you what that decision is. You ready? It's a beautiful decision. There's this month in 2024. It's gonna be the first Tuesday of this month. I think it's November, right? I love that month. So this. What is it gonna do for the city?

Starting point is 01:31:19 No, please answer this. What is it gonna do for the city? What is the vote gonna do for the city? Oh, a lot, bro How how because yeah, because listen this is not this is not new. Yeah, this this is not this is not federal policy Yeah, this is not this didn't just start for three years ago four years ago This has been going on but you know there's been a robbery crew going on there's been a murder crew going on so so that That putting someone else that that's the thing. We talk constantly, constantly.

Starting point is 01:31:48 And this isn't wrong, and is it wrong? This is what I asked you earlier. It's not wrong to have this discussion. But why are we not having conversations about local policies? Why are we not as a collective in this country? Because it's become celebratized, Trump has become, and Biden, Trump has become, and Biden has become a meme, and people are not having enough conversations around what is happening in their community. We have become hyper focused on national

Starting point is 01:32:13 and global geopolitics, and everybody wants to be an expert on what's going on in Gaza, but people aren't saying, holy shit, the person I voted into office is a fucking asshole. In my city. But by the way, so so one can do both right and sure for us like the the perspective I like at it is one I See myself that wherever I go. I want to improve it. It doesn't matter where I go. I don't care where I'm in the insurance industry

Starting point is 01:32:41 I want to improve the insurance industry change my life So we have one meeting every year, that is my favorite meeting every year. I started this meeting in 2015, and every year in December, first week of December, I bring the CEOs and the top executives of the biggest life insurance companies. They come and I call it the carrier meeting.

Starting point is 01:33:00 Typically they spoil us. This is my chance to spoil. No one in the marketplace does this but us and they all say they say Pats the only person that can bring all his girlfriends in the same room and we all get along because they're all competitors They can't stand each other market wise now. We're all friends and I say this in this industry changed my life I owe back to the industry because it changed my life. Okay Whether it comes down to state military country Whether it comes down to state, military, country, America, it doesn't matter what it is.

Starting point is 01:33:27 America changed my life. And your vote matters a lot because people listen to you. Why do they listen to you? So, sometimes we think the people have the most influence are the governors or the senators or that big famous guy that went to Harvard. Now, sometimes the people that have the most influence are just regular guys that are like, what the, what is going on here? What is going on here?

Starting point is 01:33:50 And to me a part of it is, right now specifically, like you can change the city you're living in, right? But imagine if you knew, when did you move, you said 2016, first time you went to California, right? But when did you, you bought the house in 2020 or 2022? 2021 okay, when did you live in California? 2022 oh really you lived in California? No, no, no, I moved to California 2018. Okay, but then you bought the house in 2022 Okay, so 2018 when you moved

Starting point is 01:34:19 If in the two incidents you had that nobody knows about you you've never publicly talked about it, right? Three incidents, okay. If somebody told you that would have happened, would you have bought the house in California? Would you have moved to California? I don't know if I would have even believed it. To be completely, I probably would have, I probably would have waited and touched the burner. I agree with you.

Starting point is 01:34:39 By the way, full, by the way, how many, your answer, how many people in America do you think are in your situation? That's saying there's no way in the world that's true. I would assume most. Most of them, do you agree? Of what I agree. I think most people are there. So what happens to a person like you is,

Starting point is 01:34:57 dude, trust me, never in a million years did I believe any of this stuff. But I went through it and here's what it was like. He's saying it? What? There is no way that would have came from you. So for you to say what you said, 2024 November, the one thing we can do every November

Starting point is 01:35:16 is vote. You have options. You have Trump on one side, Biden's on the other side. What are you doing? I'm not even looking at people. I'm voting on policies. At this point, I don't want to even see a face.

Starting point is 01:35:27 And right now, I don't like how a lot of, the only thing I will say is, maybe it's just all smoke and mirrors, but the economy is, the market at least is doing well. The market's all, let's be honest, all the time. It's 38,000. All the time I'm on. The market's doing well.

Starting point is 01:35:44 I believe joblessness is also down Unemployment is like thinking three and a half percent right people think inflation still at ten percent So it's like I was a difference between Main Street and Wall Street though Mike and for sure like I said smoke amir's But I think I think I think we just we all just need to be a little bit more. I Just hate pigeon holes. I just hate. I think we just, we all just need to be a little bit more, I just hate pigeonholes. I just hate, I think we've all become, not maybe not everyone here,

Starting point is 01:36:11 but like a good majority of the country have become pigeonholed into this belief that there's a savior in the form of a candidate and everything's black and white and there's no gray area or let's take a little bit of this or I just want what works. And I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what,

Starting point is 01:36:26 this year is not gonna be the case, I can already tell. When we look back 50 years from now, 100 years from now, and we like we do now, we look back at Lincoln, or we look back at Washington, or we look back at Eisenhower. Reagan, all these guys. Like any of these people that were, the ones, the ones, bro,

Starting point is 01:36:49 or an anti-establishment guy, JFK, whatever, right? Like as we look back and we look at these heartbeats, right? These drumbeats of American exceptionalism as it pertains to presidency, right? In my eyes, and it won't be in this election, the president from this Realm in this area will be the uniter will be the uniter not the breaker because we're not close It's not like it's an 80-20 thing. We have two sides of this country. We have a we have a divisive 50-50 49 51 48 52 split and guess what there ain't no hope in sight

Starting point is 01:37:24 There's no hope in sight. There's no hope in sight Trump is not gonna come into office and unite the aisles Biden sure as hell is not gonna even unite what he's eating for lunch the next day He doesn't it's not gonna fucking happen. Okay in my eyes. I want a candidate who says I am So sick of this divisiveness that I am going to put it to an end. Okay, this country as a political player has become a basketball game where there are two teams who are intent on blocking each other's shots.

Starting point is 01:37:53 Neither wants to score. Neither want, the only thing I wanna make sure is that the other team doesn't score. Block the bill, block the bill, block the bill, block the bill. We are in a handicapped, disabled, paralyzed government that is one side versus the other side. And in my eyes, the person that comes along that will be remembered anytime soon

Starting point is 01:38:13 will be the uniter, not the breaker. Who is gonna, is it gonna be PBD? Is it, who is gonna come up and say, yo, you know what, enough is enough. Stop your little bicker and bullshit, I'm anti this, you're anti that. Screw you, screw you. Learn how to work together.

Starting point is 01:38:27 You wanna be the head of a business. You've grown multiple businesses to hundreds of millions of dollars. If you saw a disagreement between your top players, you're not gonna pick a side. You're gonna say, yo, learn how to work together or you're out. That's it.

Starting point is 01:38:39 There's no more bullshit. Learn to work together. This is our team. We're on the same mission and we're all going the same place whether you like it or not if you can't get with it to get the fuck out because because We have so much division in this country so many people that just want to see the other side lose And and it has to stop. No, that's my belief by the way

Starting point is 01:38:59 So that's what Adam was talking about on the different stages we go through. And look at what Dana White does. Here's the UFC. He said, Hey, did you hear about the the tonality with the racism that just took place about what racism? Well, Israel said this and he used the N word. He's black. Well, he said this. What do we talk about? So let me get this straight.

Starting point is 01:39:24 Are people on the left complaining a bitch? Yeah, I bet they would. They probably would. But you know, and you're like, oh shit, how do you disarm? Like, you know, you have a leash on this. What leash? What do we talk? So Dana does that with the sport

Starting point is 01:39:38 and that's why he does so well. And you got some sports that they're caving. But the reality part of it is the following. You know, different times will give birth to different types of leaders. You said something about a savior, like we're all waiting for a savior to come, right? Well, I mean, if you're a man of faith,

Starting point is 01:39:55 your savior is not a, yeah, you already have it, you're not relying on other human beings to do that. He's coming back also. You're sitting there, you're kind of like, you know, faith, here's where I'm at, this is where I'm banking. I'm banking on where I'm at with my faith, great. Let's talk about the leadership side. You know, I also think in everything,

Starting point is 01:40:19 the temperature also decreases when the right leader shows up and you no longer worry about certain things. I'm talking to Bill Maher and I said Bill I've never been to your studio before. Okay I've never been to what is it called? It's called... What's it called? It's called Club Random. I was on a show last night. I'm in Club random and I'm looking around. I'm like, dude, a freaking six set. First of all, his house is insane. Five acres and Hollywood Hills, all this stuff. But I'm like, that couch to me is a colorful couch.

Starting point is 01:40:55 I've never seen a colorful couch like this. This picture here, the pizza man thing, the movie thing, the bar over there, you go to the back with the engineers. He's got the Trump stuff there. He's got the Obama stuff. He's got the George Bush toilet paper. he's got all this weird stuff in there, right? But let me tell you, pool table in the middle, cool. I said, for me, I came here, everything here is new. For you, everything here, you've already seen, so you don't look

Starting point is 01:41:19 at it anymore. It's called a law of familiarity. It's a law, right? It's very normal. This is why husband and wife are married. It's my wife. It's my old girl. Yeah. Oh, it's just this, it's that and oh, it's just my dad. And then your dad passes away. Oh shit. Yeah. Oh, it's just my mom and of, oh shit. Oh, it's just the, dude, what a, what? So for me, when you have a leader in house that puts the fear into the enemy, where no war has started under him for four years and he was supposed to start World War Three, and then he's gone. And the first thing you think about is security. You're thinking about it from the state standpoint, but in your country you got Afghanistan You got Ukraine you got Russia you got Israel you got Hamas

Starting point is 01:42:13 Gaza now you got Iran now you got all this stuff with who tees now three soldiers get killed by Iran All this stuff is happening first thing you you say is, dude, the temperature is like, what happened to the other guy we kind of didn't like at all? Where is that guy? Me tweet. Where is that guy? Where's that? And by the way, FYI, this guy, this guy's, he's not at all Trump just so you know that. Right. He's not. So, but when you sit there and you kind of go through this process, then you're like, okay, so maybe there's somebody that can come and lower the temperature today. Is he going to be the guy that's going to be the biggest synergist and do that? It's probably not going to be in his profile because anything you say to him, he has to

Starting point is 01:42:56 respond back immediately, just kind of out of his DNAs. But maybe there's going to be somebody else that comes next or follow the synergist. Where are the synergists? But maybe there's gonna be somebody else that comes next or where are they could it's in or just yeah, yeah because because like Even just in the way that people communicate. Yeah, it's it's important to communicate like like you once again back to you as a business leader You would you make sure that the way that you communicate with people even if you even if you Disliked them at any certain time even if you even if you dislike them at any certain time, even if you, you know, don't, you know, feel well about them, you're either going to speak with them with respect

Starting point is 01:43:31 or you're going to get rid of them, right? But for the most part, you approach your conversations with empathy and respect, right? Absolutely. Always. And I feel like that as a table steak has been lost on both sides, to be honest. I feel like, I don't know, it just, the way the government looks right now, from my side on both sides is kind of embarrassing. I'm sorry, I think it's just embarrassing. I think people are behaving childishly. I don't think they're looking at the big purpose. When we go to war, you say, you know,

Starting point is 01:44:00 the first thing I'm probably thinking is, you know, where's the last guy that we had? The first thing I'm thinking was, damn, I wish that the rest of the people in my country were united. That's what I'm thinking. I'm saying to myself, damn, I wish my brother and the neighbor next to him were saying,

Starting point is 01:44:14 I can't wait to go to war with you. I'll die for this country. Cause guess what? They're not saying that. They're saying, fuck you, I'm not going to war with this guy. I don't want to be, I don't like this guy. Who did that though? So who did that?

Starting point is 01:44:24 Well, as he said earlier, he never thought about right versus left. And I'm not saying, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying anyone's to fucking blame, but I will tell you this because I know what you're going to say. I know you, oh, I don't know what you're going to say, but I'm assuming you're going to say that the visiveness started with Obama. Right? I don't know. Where do you, where do you, where do you think, where do you think that that's, let me, let me give my side? Although a lot of people would say I know, but that's not where I'm going to go. Here's where I'm going to go. So for me, when you when you think about that whole, you know, division of people arguing from one side to the other,

Starting point is 01:44:57 hey, my brother with me, we're going to be together. When 9 11 happened, that's exactly what happened. It's exactly what happened. True. We, nobody gave a shit. Like nobody even thought about politics. But it also wasn't, but it also wasn't, we didn't have the political arena that we have right now. But at the time. You're right. So what was the difference between today and 2001?

Starting point is 01:45:16 There was no social media. Social media, exactly. There was no immediate reaction. So true. There wasn't, there wasn't freaking TikTok and China indoctrinating our youth, but also think about it. There wasn't 5,000 small CNNs and Fox that you realize there is five thousand CNNs and Foxes, but you can't but you can't say that that's not a good thing because then that would be anti free speech

Starting point is 01:45:39 But that goes that goes back to my point if I'm solving from being aious, happy person, yes, but I'm glad I'm not, because I'm not solving for that. What I will tell you kind of messed the whole thing up. This time when COVID happened, everything was Trump's fault. It was all here. All mainstream had to do, mainstream is not controlled by the right, zero, it's all left. All mainstream media had to do was unite behind China

Starting point is 01:46:08 being the enemy. They couldn't do it. And by the way, you know what they all agree on now? Left and right, China is the enemy. But they couldn't do it four years ago. But do we also agree, do we also, let me pose this question. When did we also get kind of soft on Russia not being?

Starting point is 01:46:29 Not being what? The enemy. Like for example, my mom grew up hiding under her desk in drills waiting for a Russian attack on US soil. How old was your mom though? That was in the 50s and 60s. Of course she did the right thing. Oh yeah, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:46:44 By the way, all of our people. Yeah, you know what I'm saying like that No, no, no, I understand that but but like but like Do we look at Russia the same way that we look at China or what because we sure that's that's see that's so that's what I'm saying Like we have Russia why but Russia didn't do anything for four years. I mean obviously overall threat Yeah, but for those four years absolutely nothing happened But then Biden comes in and he But for those four years, absolutely nothing happened. But then Biden comes in and he literally looks at a camera and says, if Russia wants to do a minor incursion in Ukraine, I'm fine with it. That's inviting a war to happen.

Starting point is 01:47:13 That's stupid. I agree. But I think Mike's point is Russia is not our ally. I don't know how we got there. I didn't see this admiration for Putin. No, no, no, I wouldn't say admiration, but when you have a leader that's like, listen, why am I gonna start shit with somebody? Why can't I just be cool with everybody?

Starting point is 01:47:31 Because what, let's not get it twisted. Well, that's not, that's not Putin's. No, no, no, what I'm saying, but guys, let's just be real. Pooin's a, he murders and he's a crazy kill. Let's not forget that we had a president, Bush Jr., that started an illegal bullshit war. What was the master's and we killed millions. I don't we're evil. They're

Starting point is 01:47:51 evil, but they weren't doing shit when Trump was in. Let's be honest. Let's address that question with Russia. Mike, look at it this way. Okay. Look at it this way. Who was the chief's number one enemy yesterday? Deniers? Or raven? I mean, I mean, the ravens. The ravens. Who's their enemy today?

Starting point is 01:48:14 Deniers. Okay. Who was the niner's number one enemy yesterday? Detroit. Who's their enemy today? The chiefs. Okay. Meaning, when COVID happened, your number one enemy is who you're facing today, which is China.

Starting point is 01:48:28 And we couldn't do that. That doesn't discount the enemy we went up against before. Of course that person's an enemy. No, but I know, but it seems like the lens for enemies has shifted on both sides. It seems like, yeah, I agree with you. I think there's been some softness from the left towards China. But I also think that there's been softness from the right towards Russia. This is one of those things that once again, first of all, that I'm definitely not qualified

Starting point is 01:48:54 to speak about, but to me, becomes something that is gray area and invites the question that I asked once again back to Lenny from Mice and Men. Where are we going with all this? You asked me a question, where's my vote going? I have certainly started to lean more towards the conservatives. And I prefer to just take the faces and the icons and the celebrities out of it and be like,

Starting point is 01:49:19 dude, what policies do we need here to save the sport of women's racing? Yeah, to be women or or or for or for you know like people who beat the fuck out of people to not just Get out of jail or for or you know what I'm saying like some of these way to offer the border to be Protected you want to have kids. Yes, I would like to wait. You have kids Wait till you have a download.. I know it'll be even more. No, no, because when you when you speak. Okay. When when you don't have kids, you're naturally not concerned about everything like who gives a shit about that? Yeah, because you don't have any kids. Right. The moment you have

Starting point is 01:49:57 kids that dude, what do you think what happened in three years? Huh? Hey, no, no, I've always been like this. No, you haven't. I've not always been like this. Yeah. Things change as life also changes for you. No, but, but for me, what you're saying is this best part is following. Best part is when you start asking the right questions in life, that that's how it starts. So you first ask the right question. And then the other part is on you to be curious to go find the answers to the question. That's how it starts. You know, why get married? Why should I just stay single? Okay, that's good. You're asking a question to go to like find the answers to the question. That's how it starts. Why get married? Why should I just stay single?

Starting point is 01:50:26 OK, that's good. You're asking a question to go to like, I would ask the question, why have kids? And they'd be like, oh, dude, why would I want to do this? Why don't you go into the process of wanting to do your due diligence? But you're already there. For me, right now with where we're at with America,

Starting point is 01:50:40 when you're saying Republicans are not defending Russia and all this other stuff, I think in sales, you go to a client's house. Most people have never been in sales. They think sales is about making the most incredible presentation. It is a part of it, but very small, very small part of the sale.

Starting point is 01:51:01 A great salesperson asks the right questions. Fights the hole to fill. When you ask the right question, you cause the client and individual to think, and then they already close themselves because you ask the right question. So for example, you talked about Russia. Trump asked the question no one's ever asked. He said, why is there still a NATO? Uh, it's it's

Starting point is 01:51:30 wait. US, there's something. Well, I thought it was, well I thought it was to create an allegiance between like-minded countries to, to band together in the face of imperial evil. No. Of some, of some.

Starting point is 01:51:42 Of some, of some. If you go look up the history of NATO. Right, right, right of NATO is purely against the Union. Yeah, but it no, but it was a but it was originally a post World War two not a Cold War. Initially, if you go look up like what the purpose of when was NATO when was NATO founded if. Nineteen what is it? 49 49. So that's free. I guess technically anything post WWW to yeah, but but it was it was a it was a an alliance so that We could band together with the same people. We just fought alongside against the most evil fucking people

Starting point is 01:52:13 But the point is it was so now Those guys are no longer around Germany doesn't have the military they had they used to have a bunch of tanks not they're lucky if they have a couple tanks Nobody in Europe except for two or three countries, invest in their military. Nobody does. Why would they? They don't need to do it. Because we are the moment when he asked the question. Yeah. Oh, shit. It is a good question. We've not asked that question, right? So then guess who has the whole, you know, military industrial complex? Guess who has it? Russia has it.

Starting point is 01:52:46 Of course. What does Russia do with their military? You know what Ukraine is going through right now? They can't get their weapons anymore. They no longer can build those missiles anymore. Russia used to pump out 40 missiles, now they're doing 100 because they can afford to do it. So what happens now? Now NATO is relying on us.

Starting point is 01:53:03 Like oh, no one's going to touch us because America's got our back. We're putting the most money. Why are we putting the most money? We got an entire ocean, water, separate. That's your threat. That's your problem, bro. Make your marriage work. Let me try to fix my marriage.

Starting point is 01:53:20 America's already trying to almost be divided. Let me keep my husband and wife together. We were divorced. No, no, no. We have a million deaths to overdose in the past 20 years. We have 130,000 to 150,000 people dying a year to overdose. We have veterans living under bridges because they can't get mental health.

Starting point is 01:53:37 This is, we have homeless people. The country's a fucking mess. Forget the division first. Like we have real issues. You're right. That exists outside of my sentiment versus my neighbor. You just nailed why America first is key. And I get that, but take it even one more layer

Starting point is 01:53:50 than just being able to ask a question. The even deeper question is, why the fuck am I having to ask this question? Who are these people that are running this? That's the question. You know what the answer is to that? Corporations. No, the easy answer to it is because

Starting point is 01:54:06 most people think the way you think and i love how you're just straight up like you said i just want to come and have the conversation you're talking about the twitter spaces i did went right after the santas right that's the one you're talking about i got it so most very informative yeah most people are like dude i don't want to freaking have all these fights over politics. Can I just talk about the game? Like, guys, what do you think? You think this game is set up and the Super Bowl is going to be all about Taylor Swift because Taylor's going to win? Chiefs are going to win it?

Starting point is 01:54:32 Most people want to have that conversation. Most people want to say, do you think Mahomes is better than Tom Brady? If he wins this, this is four and six. Is he better than the conversation already? Should we already start debating this? That's what most people want to have conversation. I just want to know if you guys want to be cryogenically frozen

Starting point is 01:54:46 like I'm even further and I wish this was in the case but it is important but the point but the point I'm to say to what you're saying the point is you know the fact that why did it even get to the point of asking this question and why didn't we already know because we've been brainwashed into not asking these questions through our educational system and the teachers and all that stuff for every 13 professor on the left one is on the right 98% of I told us to Bill Martin he says that's a big problem 98% of English teachers in high school donate to the left 2% give to the right, 97% of science teachers

Starting point is 01:55:25 gift to the left, only three gifted right, and 87% of math teachers gift to the left, 30%. Is that new? Because that's the other thing too nowadays, is how much of this is new stuff, versus how much of this is just a further elevation of discussion of stuff that's been happening. Like for example, establishment,

Starting point is 01:55:43 bro there's a movie called 1984. Like all of that stuff, this has been 40 years in the making, like have teachers, teachers have always been liberal. Liberalism is a portion of, not, sorry, you're right, not always, but it adds up to the past. No, you're right. But it's just not, but it's just not this extreme.

Starting point is 01:56:03 And unions have never been this intentional in using these blocks as voting blocks like the other day. Who said the other day they're voting for the endorse Biden? Which union was it? United Auto Workers Rob? Is that what it was? Oh, it's over because the United Auto Workers. Dude, the power of what unions are doing nowadays, those are voting blocks.

Starting point is 01:56:23 There's a lot of different things that's going on. Some of it hasn't changed, some of it has, but the simple thing is access to social media is getting us to get more connected and ask the questions we've not asked before. Yeah, I agree. And then am I going to the member? Could you say that the presidency is one thing, but the local, if you think, just look at the worst blues.

Starting point is 01:56:41 LA, right? Chicago is horrible. New York, forget it. The homeless, I mean not the homeless. The illegals that they are bringing in, that the mayor was like, yeah, yeah, it was like, come in. They're not only shitting in the street, they're banging on people's houses and asking for money.

Starting point is 01:56:56 So again. They're not all brought in by New York, by the way. Summership there as a lesson to be learned by. No, not even lesson, as a lesson, AKA if you guys want, not even lesson, but as a lesson, AKA if you guys want to talk to talk, start taking some of these people like what they did to Martha's Vineyard. But my thing is Mike, these places like LA and Newsom

Starting point is 01:57:14 and all these, why do people keep voting for these people? That's the, because at the end of the day, that's it, I get it, you're the blue state, but bro, they tried to recall Newsom. Well, Larry Elder didn't have a chance, but it's like the people, it comes down to Mike, your attitude, that sentiment, that attitude, bro, people have to take a stand.

Starting point is 01:57:34 It's like, when is enough gonna be enough, and people are just gonna just sit there and complain. Look what they're doing in France. Those farmers and shit, they're filling up tractors with manure and going to, that's what I'm talking about It's this we could do this all day, but I love that you were like it's local these the big wigs They're gonna do what they're gonna do the local people if you keep voting for people that are shitting Newsome It's bro. Just look at what California is and that guy's gonna try to run for presidency and people

Starting point is 01:58:02 And that guy's gonna try to run for presidency and people My my people for that guy cuz he's not the other guy He's on the list right by the way Vegas odds right now number three is Michelle Oh, yeah, Michelle with him Michelle in him. Okay. Okay. This is an interesting thing. Can I ask a couple odd questions? All right, all right Michelle and him. Okay, okay. This is an interesting thing. Can I ask you a couple odd questions? All right, all right. The most, even going even more like local

Starting point is 01:58:28 than just your city, like go to yourself, right? Social media has been a great weapon for conversation, but it's also been an incredibly weird weapon for misinformation. And I think one of the greatest ammo's we had for our personal weapon of change has been fact, has been information. If you come to the table with information,

Starting point is 01:58:51 you can make informed decisions and have informed conversations. Unfortunately, nowadays, finding information that is deemed, or that you deemed to be good information, I don't think it's ever been harder. I just think there's so much shit out there. And even to say I rely on this engine or that engine is you gotta do it or have a researcher

Starting point is 01:59:12 that's helping you disseminate and figure out what information is actually true, right? Do you think that Michelle Obama's a man? Like how far do you, how far are you willing to like go on these, like on this like swinging type shit because like, what swing? Okay, no, not that tight. You said it.

Starting point is 01:59:32 Not that tight. I'm down. You said swinging, I'm like, where's it go? Because like dude, like I just, it angers me and I think it also does a disservice to people who are asking the right questions on the anti-establishment side

Starting point is 01:59:49 when there is a heavy representation of this just pure stupidity. I mean, dude, like there's a person on Twitter, I'm not gonna say their name, but they know who they are. That tweets all day about Big Mike, AKA Michelle Obama being a man. This person could be using their voice to- you don't convert like that.

Starting point is 02:00:07 No, he's converted. No, he's converted. How do you mean? No, no, no. You don't persuade like that. You don't persuade by, like for example, Newsom. By the way, this account is number two or number three most engaged accounts on Twitter. Oh shit.

Starting point is 02:00:24 Okay. And they're just all on Big Mike. That's all they're saying. But Oh shit. Okay. And that's all big Mike But that's all this but here's a point but but here's a point after Elon and Tate. Yeah The point is what what's your outcome is your outcome to be a echo chamber and Have those people come and find you and retweet your stuff. Yeah, that works. I mean, there's a guy Jackson On Twitter. What's his last name Jackson? I think Jackson ankle right by the way during what happened with Israel Gaza He is the stuff some of the stuff he tweets. I mean it's pretty Pretty extreme stuff that so it just seemed

Starting point is 02:00:57 When you talk about stuff, yeah, just know that I'm already Seeing it all because I'm on a lot of not a fan of that. He just he just it just seems so inauthentic. Who's this? The Hank? The Hank? Because because let me let me explain this one to you. The tweets would be these like really nasty tweets about what was going on in Gaza and by the way bring the awareness that's so important but it would be like the atrocity in Gaza must stop now Subscribed to my premium for only three dollars, and I don't know why it just always is like I don't know why just always are you building awareness?

Starting point is 02:01:33 Are you building awareness or are you trying to build a subscribership? Like that that is that immediate not just a subscribership on on x where you continue to put good information out there But that just brings you money But the risk of freedom of speech is you can have both types of people where you continue to put good information out there, but that just brings you money. It's a subscription. The risk of freedom of speech is you can have both types of people, and you have to be okay with it, right? You just have to know, like, okay,

Starting point is 02:01:52 the moment you have an after hours club where you serve alcohol, what's gonna come with it? Let's actually go through it. Drugs, fights, ecstasy, drugs. Exactly, drugs. Adam knows, Adam, tell us that. A a conversation that Saudis about to be having. How crazy is that? They just passed her.

Starting point is 02:02:11 That's 74 years and they passed a repeal their alcohol ban. But what's the point here? The point is when you open it up, like you ever been at a club and somebody's overdosing? Yeah. If you're in the club business, if you're in the club business, that comes with the territory. Yep. You ever been in the club? A guy comes up with like 100 pills. So, you know, hey, 25 bucks, 25 bucks. Okay, great. That comes with the business you're in. The business of freedom speech is you're going to have the Jacksons and you're going to have the other son. They're going to do that.

Starting point is 02:02:40 For me, again, it goes back to what you're solving for everything Everything you have to start off with that question. Remember when he asked me, he said, how come we can't go back to that? What am I solving for? I'm not solving for just followership or just doing this and doing that. Do you know how many people get pissed that me and Chris Cuomo have a relationship? I'm not, him and I talk today for 45 minutes. Do you know how many people get upset that him and Chris Cuomo have a relationship? Him and I talked today for 45 minutes. Do you know how many people get upset that him and I talk? They get so upset, I'm like, why would you talk to that guy? That guy was a CNN, number one show. He was the one that told people vaccine

Starting point is 02:03:15 and he was these, I mean there's basement, and da, da, da, totally get it. Okay, guess what I like. What I'm solving for is not an echo chamber. I like talking to people and push and let's go and oh shoot There's a leak there. Well, let me go do a little bit more research. Oh mom. That's a good question right there Let me go do this. I like that I'm not solving for

Starting point is 02:03:35 Just being right. I'm solving for a great conversation But there's a lot of people as you just said that are Doing that just for ego for for likes, for comments, for engagement, for subscriber bases. Like for example, comedian. How do you separate the two? Because for Austal sayers, especially like for you guys to say here and say like,

Starting point is 02:03:55 oh, I'm able to weed out this person. I'm able to weed out that person. Not everybody's able to do that. And I understand like that is the greatest responsibility of the freedom of speech rule that we have And I understand like that is the greatest responsibility of the freedom of speech rule that we have is that people have a responsibility to be like, this person is not trustworthy.

Starting point is 02:04:13 This is not an authentic person. I don't wanna hear what they're saying and then tune them out, but some people can't do that. The market nowadays is going to expose anybody that's been inauthentic, like even social media. How many people have you seen blow up on YouTube and then die off? Wait a minute, what happened to that guy? Do you remember that one guy that, that, that, that, yeah, what, do, have not seen him for this? What happened to her? What happened to this?

Starting point is 02:04:39 This market is very brutal. The moment you're no longer being straight up and honest and it's just the market will expose you in a heartbeat. That's how competition works. But no, for us, we're solving for that. And by the way, this concept of power versus force, the book, you know the whole power versus four, you ever heard of power versus four? You will love this book. Power versus force, I think it's something Schwartz if you can pull it up Yeah, and can you it's Hawkins? Yeah, it's Hawkins. I always say Schwartz go back to it Go back to the previous page. Go to the images. Yeah, just go to images. Okay. When you think about this Type in chart next to power verse. No, take the book out if you just take out book

Starting point is 02:05:20 Yeah, there you go So go to the middle one go to the one to the right of that one to the right Yeah, there you go. So go to the middle one, go to the one to the right of that, one to the right of that. There you go. Zoom in a little bit into that. So watch this, from the lowest level of consciousness to the highest level, look at the third chart, third, not God, you life. Shame is the lowest level. The lowest level of consciousness in life is to be ashamed. It's the worst place to be ashamed. Then it's guilt because you keep reliving the mistake you made. It was my fault. It's all my fault. Apathy, right? You know, grief, regret constantly in that place. Fear produces anxiety, panic, right? Desire. You're addicted to food, drugs, alcohol, sex, all this stuff. Anger, rage, hate, aggression, pride, it's

Starting point is 02:06:04 about me. I can't be wrong, da da da da. First step is what? Courage. The courage to be wrong, the courage to have the discussion, right? And even going to neutrality, I'm willing to entertain both sides, you're willing to talk, you're optimistic, acceptance.

Starting point is 02:06:18 I think that's where I, I think I'm in that three, in that two, which one, acceptance or willingness? No, and the neutrality and willingness, definitely not super elevated. But check this out even even being neutrality though, right? This if you look at this chart, this also represents a community and a country, right? America is not above it right now America's below it right now. Is this the pride flag? So funny. How the fuck did that happen? They stole it from you. They stole half of God.

Starting point is 02:06:51 Oh my God. Sorry. But the point is when you think about where we are as a country, the country's level of consciousness right now is definitely not a neutrality. I'd say 150. I say I think that's the number I think you're right. I think that's where it's at. Honestly, I was gonna say we're really gay Or somewhere between one Yeah, well according to Gen Z. They're now a third a third a third Well according to Gen Z they're now a third. A third, a third, I just saw that thing today.

Starting point is 02:07:26 Gender queer, what is it? Gender queer, yeah. So that's, that's a... Anyways, look, I'm gonna go check on these two kids, but this has been a fantastic conversation. What I love is the fact that how you're just you know you know going through your own phase and you're asking the questions to get to a point and most importantly although you wish that you don't want to wish this upon people honestly you don't want to wish for you to go through those three incidents violent crime in

Starting point is 02:07:57 California to get to this conclusion to realize absolutely policies in California is not working because unfortunately there's other people like yeah I, I don't believe it, he's just saying this, da da da da da, okay, great. And then they're gonna go through it, right. And then they're gonna like, dude, this is really actually happening. But that's just, and quickly, that's one of the things, and we didn't even really get into,

Starting point is 02:08:16 we didn't even talk about a substance abuse or any of the book or anything like that, but quickly for anybody watching this, who's going through anything like that, violence against them, mental anguish, which I've spent a good chunk of my life in, uh, substance abuse. Every single one of the horrible things that you read about in the book that I've been through every time I was ashamed, every time I was embarrassed,

Starting point is 02:08:38 every time I was guilty of something, every time I upset my mother, my probation officer, all led me to this table today. Every single one of those things, every single one of those days that I woke up and I didn't wanna wake up, every single one of those days where I didn't think I was gonna be able to put one foot in front of the other because I was too tired or exhausted or not in the right mind to do so,

Starting point is 02:08:59 led me to where I am today. So for people watching this right now who are having a tough time, who are going through stuff in their own lives, who are somewhere low on that chart and waiting for a chance to be better and to show people and to impress people, your day is coming. Just keep going. My man, by the way, right? That's that. Can you go? Can you have a Malik? Can you show that the book on the screen? No, no, because Malik controls the screen, not Rob. And also Rob, if you can put the link in the chat, please, and also in the description

Starting point is 02:09:28 as well as in the comment section, order the book, the fifth vital incredible story of 180, going from where you were at to where you are today. I applaud you for that and I appreciate you for coming down and having this conversation. And listen, when you're in the moment and you're going through some of the stories, like sensitive stuff, what you're going through, nobody wants to have those conversations, but you were class active about it. You took the questions, we went through it. And aside from that gang, again, go click on the link, place the order, order the book. Mike, I'm sure we'll do something in the

Starting point is 02:10:02 future again. Thank you so much. You look like you want to say something no I just want to say hello guys good night with Vinnie on the next yeah we have a podcast tomorrow morning tomorrow 9 a.m. we got home I don't know how you guys I don't know how they told me 9 a.m. I was like dude I got this job so I didn't have to go down to be trapped for this buddy let's go yeah he's not oh I'll go yeah I gotta go back anyways thank I got this job Take everybody we'll see you in the morning. Bye. Bye. Bye

PBD Podcast - Mike Majlak | PBD Podcast | Ep. 357

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