PBD Podcast - MMA Legend Georges St. Pierre | PBD Podcast | EP 154

Starting point is 00:00:00 And are you out of your mind? Here's the debate. You're upset. They're saying, we believe you. This is it. I thought that. I'm in real life. All right, fantastic folks. We have a special one here for you. Episode number 154 with the one and only George St. Pierre in the topic of discussion as a goat If not the goat I send a question on Twitter yesterday saying Who would you say is the greatest of all time when it comes on to UFC and it was GSB GSB Kaby GSB GSB GSB GSB John Jones John Joe Silva GSB GSB

Starting point is 00:00:41 Everywhere the name was coming up and there's a few things folks, you need to know. And this is one you may want to stick around and get all your peers on because there's a way for you to win this signed glove by GSP. It's all based on Super Chat, and I'll tell you here in a minute on what that is. But there's a few things you need to know for some of you guys that don't follow UFC, but you know what UFC is.

Starting point is 00:01:01 This is a man who is the eight, he's got eight career knockout, six career submission, 13 fight winds streak, 13 title, fight winds, nine consecutive title defenses, two division world champion, that's Walter Wade and middleweight. I think you were held as then going for the most undefeated days in Aurobos. I wanna say 2,204 days.

Starting point is 00:01:23 I may be off by a few days but some ridiculous streak of how long you went with that with that being said our guest today the legend the gold George and Pierre thank you so much for being on a podcast thank you for for having me yes and by the way here's what our outcome is of today's podcast this is what our outcome it's a successful podcast today in my like every time I go on a podcast I want to create a certain standard success for us today is if by the end of the podcast, we can come up with a specific dollar amount

Starting point is 00:01:51 to get you and Kabeep to fight in the room. So we can figure out the dollar amount and we get this to Dana and some of the guys. Who knows what can happen, we can get the two of you guys to fight. We'll talk about that here in a minute. Are you comfortable with that outcome? There's a question. We'll talk about that. We'll get into it. We'll get the two of you guys to find what we'll talk about the You're comfortable with that outcome.

Starting point is 00:02:06 We'll talk about that. We'll get into. We'll get into. But here's what we're doing folks. If you do want to get this autograph by GSB the glove, 100% of the Super Chat today is going to his charity that he has. The George St. Pierre foundation. He had no idea. I just literally announced it today.

Starting point is 00:02:23 I haven't even brought it up to you right before I ask you. Do you have a charity you said yes, do you say yes you do? And you support folks who were... Yeah, young athletes that trains for Olympic because a lot of the time they don't have enough money to travel for competitions and also an uncivilying, it's an organization that gives money to the organizations that I support. I love it. So folks, you put up the super chat. Whatever the super chat is, 100% of it we're going to give to the charity.

Starting point is 00:02:50 At the end, we're going to take all the super chat. Minimums got to be 20 bucks to be part of this raffle that we'll do at the end. Sanville at the end, if you can gather the names, we'll do the raffle. Somebody's going to get this club and we'll ship it over to you, no matter where you are in the world and we'll give the money to the charity. So, and we may do some callers at the end for people to call and ask some questions. Having said that, George, with everything that's going on right now, with the anticipation of people wanting to see you come back

Starting point is 00:03:17 and you got a birthday coming up in two weeks, what do you think about? When you see everybody in media is like, dude, you know what it's like? It's kind of like a Indian B.A. There was one game everybody wanted to see one final like I know your sports guy everybody wanted to see the final of Lebron and Kobe we never saw it. We got Jordan and magic. We got magic and bird We got Brady and Peyton. We got a lot of these guys that face But we never got Kobe and LeBron and LeBron says it was my fault because the year that he was supposed to go, he lost

Starting point is 00:03:49 he didn't make it to the end. Kobe did his part. I think a lot of people would be curious to see a fight between you and Kobe. What do you think about all these conversations coming up to see the two of you guys fight? Well, it's always a question of timing. We've tried to make it happen. When I retired, a year after I retired, we approached the UFC with that idea. And Kabyb was on board. I was on board, but UFC had other plans.

Starting point is 00:04:20 They wanted to, in a business point of view, it makes sense because I wanted to keep cabbib active because they keep the ball rolling. They knew that if it would, I would only come back for maybe one fight, you know what I mean? They rather keep cabbib active, I guess, and not taking the risk. And I understand that. And therefore that's why I believe it did not materialize. However, when Kabib fought Justin Gace and beat Justin Gace, I think he took everybody by surprise by, he took, he announced his retirement. And if I believe even his own people

Starting point is 00:04:57 didn't know that he was going to make that move. Because I remember I was doing the French commentator on the channel back home. And I thought that after the fight maybe it would have called me out, you know what I mean? I had butterflies in my stomach. You were expecting that, you wanted that almost? I don't know if I wanted that, but if it would have done it, maybe I would have, I wouldn't have any choice, you know, because it's like a challenge that I was looking for a long time. It didn't happen at the time that we tried to make it happen, but now I think a year after that, it was still fresh. I was like, I'll do it, you know, but it didn't happen and we retire. Now, what happened a few years after I was offered to fight Oscar de la Oio in a boxing, a modified rule of boxing match.

Starting point is 00:05:50 And of course, I'm still under contract with UFC a few years after I retired. So what happened now, because Kabib is retired and I'm retired. So now that you have seen Dana call me and he's like, Oh, now would you be interested? I can be he asked me, he called me, but I thought it was strange because I never wanted to do it. And now because he called me for that reason, I was like, I didn't want to do it, but I told Dana just to see what happened because I was curious. You know, it's always a chess game when the promoter calls you. It's a, that's the world where I live in. So I didn't say no, I said, okay, let me think about it. So I wait and I heard in the news that they,

Starting point is 00:06:31 and the way they not talk to me, it was like, Kaby already accepted, but it wasn't true. It was just going to fish with me to fish and see how, to make that fight happen. So they knew now that we were both the retirees. So for them, it was an opportunity to make a big money fight. So I said I'm gonna think about it and I wait a few days and I sent the media the aliebdeles, aliebdeles, aliebdeles, it came out publicly and said hey now George want to fight but now we we already retired. So it was all BS you know the Dana kind of lie to me.

Starting point is 00:07:08 They didn't approach KB but first they approached me first to make it happen. So you actually think Dana kind of lied to you? No, no, no, I think I know now for like, yeah, 100% 100%. And you feel comfortable just putting that out there. I'm like, it's the game. That's the nature of the game. The promotion. You got to realize he's promoting. It's not lying. It's in a way of saying if I have, could be in his mind, he's thinking,

Starting point is 00:07:33 if you say yes, I know I can convince, could be because I know what I'm on a pain. So in his mind, it's a yes. It is lying, but I understand what the insults are saying. That's how the business works. And I'm you, no, I know. No, no, I'm an experienced guy. We're doing it for 20 plus years.

Starting point is 00:07:47 Exactly. So I know, I know the game. So that's why I didn't want to do it. But I didn't want to say no because the reason why he called me, because they know I had a lot of eat because they didn't let me fight Oscar de lauropa. So everybody was complaining. He said, why you didn't want to let George fight Oscar the allow you and in the boxing fight

Starting point is 00:08:06 And and you hold them up so they know now by saying Say he could have go back and tell the media say oh Why would I let George go fight in boxing when he doesn't want a fight cabbie for mid for with the with the UFC? So you would have had a good reason that's's why he did this, he did this. It was a strategic move of this part, on the same. It's always like this with Dana. I mean, I like the person now. I'm retired.

Starting point is 00:08:36 We talk about it when I was inducted to the olive fame. I was like, now it's cool, we can have a, we talk about the old days and saying the real thing. But when I was competing it was always when the phone ring and I saw they know what I was like shoot Whether what is gonna come with how long go was this yes off until Like until like you're a you're okay. Yeah, so but now it's over now So now we can talk like two friends and so how has the relationship changed when you said He would call you you would be like oh shit, what does he want now?

Starting point is 00:09:08 When you were active versus now, the relationship must have changed to some extent, right? I did change a lot. They know it's normal, is the best promoter in the world. There's a reason why he's the best promoter in the world. He's the best.

Starting point is 00:09:24 I don't care, don't care. Put anybody, I think they know he's the best in the world. There's a reason why he's the best promoter in the world. He's the best. I don't care. Don't can put anybody, I think Dana is the best in the world. You can sell ice to an Eskimo. You know, he's just that good. He's very smart. But to be a good promoter, you need to use certain tools to be tricky sometimes. And he did what he had to do for the best of his own interest. But I did what I had to do for the best of his own interest, but I did what I had to do for the best of my own Entrance. So sometimes it can flick each other. That's why we get some arguments sometimes, but it's only business for me, you know? So let's go back to it. So if today you got a call, is there a dollar amount that would get you to entertain fighting straight up with

Starting point is 00:10:02 Could be if he was also open to it, UFC card like full on, the same way you fought all these years, would you entertain a fight today with Kabeep? No, I would not. Zero. No, zero. It's zero, it's nothing that can happen. 30 million bucks.

Starting point is 00:10:14 I don't care, 100. Seriously, I mean, why is that? I can have a credit card that I can use for the rest of my life. But would you want to do that with anybody? No, because nobody, and I'm going to tell you why, there is no price for my health. And I'm not only talking about physical health, what took the most out of me

Starting point is 00:10:30 during my active years of competition, it was the stress, I had a lot of stress, and I always told myself, because it's an addiction. You become addicted to this thing. It's like a drug, winning, especially winning a title, winning a fight, it's crazy man. I can't describe how it makes you feel, but it can become an addiction. That's why you see a lot of these fighters, they retire way too late.

Starting point is 00:10:57 Way too late. They don't know when they'll take it. They don't know because they become addicted to this. And I always told myself, I draw the line, I said, after 40 years all at 40, it's finished. No, no matter what happened, it's funny. It's finished because I know that my best years are probably behind me, you know? Of course, when I retired, I felt that I might have left money on the table. Maybe I could have stayed there for two, three, four more fights, maybe, or maybe I would have get hurt on the process. I don't know, but I don't wanna roll the dice

Starting point is 00:11:27 and take the risk. I rather retire when my stuck is high, when I'm healthy, and I can enjoy the rest of my life. And also, on a business perspective, when you retire on top, you turn around, you have a lot of opportunities that opens to you. A lot of these doors might be closed if you retire on a losing street. That's why I think it's very sad when I see some legend retire too late because first they lose their health.

Starting point is 00:11:56 You know, they get brain damage. It's very sad to see. And they lose these Opportunities that would have been open to them if they would have retired on top. It's not a game. We don't play in fighting. You say you play baseball, you play basketball, but the consequences of a loss in this sport, it's way more dramatic than it is in another sport, for example. George, let me ask you two things. So for you, you know, you look at somebody who competes at the high level.

Starting point is 00:12:32 We typically hear some stuff that people say, oh, that guy's just so confident. Oh, that guy's got no fear. Or that guy's got the reason why he's doing this. Oh, he trains so hard, because he just wants to be at everybody so bad. And then deep down inside when he go find that, actually, why this guy trains so hard

Starting point is 00:12:43 is because this person is driven by, doesn't want to get humiliated publicly. So this person's like, there's no way I'm going to lose public. Everybody's going to watch me. I train extra because I'm not going to be publicly humiliated. It's just not going to happen to me, right? And some, you know, you said something about the fact that you're always going to fight. You got this weird feeling. You were afraid. You, oh my God, what if this goes wrong? What if that goes wrong, the only fight you ever didn't feel this way was Sarah, where you're like, you went out, I was good,

Starting point is 00:13:08 I'm like, I'm not gonna lose to this guy, and that's the one you lost because you didn't go on paranoid, right, that dynamic. What did you ever have a moment in your career that not necessarily fear, but in a moment where you were fighting, something happened to the body or either on the fear end or humiliation end where you said, shit, I don't, what am I, like, what was this

Starting point is 00:13:32 all about? That either brought in the best of you or the worst of you, humiliation as well as fear. I never liked to fight, I never liked it. People like, oh, you're bullshit, no, man, I never liked it. I love the freedom, the freedom that it brings me I love the fact that it keeps me in shape. I love the confidence that this sport gives me I love to go to the gym to train with my training partner the camaraderie that I have I Love the science of the game the art of war, the chess game of fighting.

Starting point is 00:14:06 I love that. I love that I have access of things that most people do not have access. I love that. But in order to preserve that, I needed to go take that walk and fight in the octagon in it. But I hated it. I despised it.

Starting point is 00:14:23 I never liked it. I never enjoyed it a second. Never liked it. I like to win But the worst part for me the worst day of the year for me is the days that I'm fighting. It's terrible. It's unbearable and When I was young I remember when I started my career because I wanted to be champion But I needed to go through that pain to that grind in order to achieve what I wanted to achieve my goal. And I was looking around to all my training partners.

Starting point is 00:14:54 And a lot of them, it seems to me that I was making fun. I was like, you guys are like psychopath because they, it's either they were acting or telling me the truth. But I felt I was not in the right field of work because they were telling me, oh, I'm happy to do this. I can't wait to fight. And I'm like, you guys are crazy. Me and me, I'm scared.

Starting point is 00:15:14 And I can't wait that it's over, but I don't like the process. And I tried to seek the help of sports psychologists at a time because I was like, maybe I'm not in the right lane. And the sports psychologists used a time because I was like, maybe I'm not in the right lane. And the sports psychologists used to tell me, George, try to brainwash me, he goes, George, stop saying you're afraid, you're excited. And I was like, it does not apply here,

Starting point is 00:15:37 because you're excited when you're in Montreal and it's minus 20 degree. And you know that next week you're going in vacation and the beach, I will be excited. Or you know what I mean, I will be excited if I'm fasting for three days. And I'm about to eat my favorite dish. I'm excited. I can't wait. But I'm not excited to go fight in a cage, not knowing if I will be badly hurt or humiliated. I'm afraid. And then I start realizing I said, you know what? There's no courage without fear. I should not be afraid to admit that I'm afraid Wow, and I realize also that that fear that I add makes me way more

Starting point is 00:16:18 Way more dangerous because I realize that it it hand-hands my power my reaction time my decision making making time that fair gives me The drive to train harder and the fair that my opponent train even harder than me helps me prepare even better in the fair that my Opponent is is getting is doing more than me. So so what what are you afraid of so because for me more than me. So what are you afraid of? So because for me, certain words have evolved. The meaning of certain words have evolved for me over the years. Okay. The meaning of love did them in the same to me at 10, then 20, then 30, then 40, then today with four kids. The meaning of competition was very different in my teens than 20s and 30s and 40s than today. The meaning of fear, fear for me recently has been very different. It's been a very different in my teens, in 20s and 30s and 40s than today. The meaning of fear, fear for me recently has been very different.

Starting point is 00:17:07 It's been a very different meaning of fear. Because fear, to me, it's been more from the perspective of, I ask myself, why, in certain things that I'm doing, like, why do you not stop? What is the fear that makes you not stop? The biggest fear I had was the fear of my kids dying without them, with my dad dying without my kids ever meeting my dad, like, because I never met his dad. So that fear drove the hell out of me, right? So I wanted to understand

Starting point is 00:17:34 the relationship with fear. What was one of your biggest fears? Like, did you, you know how you go to sleep and there's a one nightmare that you replay in your myelach, dude, I this cannot happen. What fear haunted you the most? The fear changed over the year. When I was young, and I wanted to become champion, it was the fear of being humiliated. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:17:55 That was the fear. And that's pretty much the fear that I had for the most part of my career, you know, to be humiliated. Then it changed to the fear of, maybe, you know, to be humiliated. Then it changed to the fear of maybe at one point, because you become more aware of what can happen. You become smarter. And it's not necessarily a good thing when you're a fighter. Not to be smarter, but I'll try to explain the best as I can is you realize that man, I've been doing this for a long time you don't know the consequences of

Starting point is 00:18:25 of brain damage in long terms and you know in my fights I have generally always come on top or or at almost all the time and I don't get punched too much but in practice you know you have to go through people always say oh your fight or you go you beat your opponent pretty good without taking so much damage. It's true, but in practice, you practice every day. That's what, you know, to get hit on the head every day, the impact, the stress, the stress, I think it's one of the things that we don't talk about. It's crazy. You're on fighters flight, you know?

Starting point is 00:19:00 Like to have a little stress, it helps you improve. But to be on that crazy, fear, stress of protection that is like a fighter's fight that you always have someone that you know in a few weeks that you're going to find that might kill you and after that person. Once you beat him, there's another one and another one and another one. So he constantly feel treated, treated. And and for me me I was obsessed. It's one of the things that helped me perform better is I was obsessed by the idea of being the best. I was obsessed and being a champion, being a fighter, it's a very selfish life because everything is oriented towards you.

Starting point is 00:19:40 Me, me, me, me, how I can get better. If I do this, is it gonna help me improve. I was completely insane. Everything I was doing at the time was to get me a better fighter. And my perspectives change, because now I'm thinking about the future. Like I don't wanna do this anymore.

Starting point is 00:19:57 I wanna be, I'm healthy, you know what I mean? How old were you when you started thinking that? I was a teenager. I was a teenager. When I first saw Royce Gracie, I knew that's what I wanted to do for living. And immediately my life shifted. You know, I've never been diagnosed,

Starting point is 00:20:13 but I think I'm a little bit obsessive, compulsive. OCD. Yeah, OCD. I'm not the kind of guy who can open the door 10 times, you know. But I have these things, for example, the other, give you some example, like all the brain works.

Starting point is 00:20:31 And I think it's a good thing when you're in an athlete, but in society could be a bad thing. For example, now I try to detach myself from that, but it's hard sometimes, like I'm driving my car. And I tell myself, and I tell myself, I'm gonna hold my breath for 500 meter. And I, at 4, 450 meter, I hit traffic. I'm like, I'm holding my breath.

Starting point is 00:20:56 Yeah. And I, shit, I'm going on the side. And I do what they extra 50 meter. And now I can, this is not and now I can This is not normal man Because you play a game with yourself you're playing a game with your I'm playing my game But it's stupid but shit like this I do but but now I step or the other day I go to My cousin I go pick up my cousin in its school I'm opening the door for the parent that comes out with their kids

Starting point is 00:21:23 And I'm holding the door and there is a kids that That comes and doesn't go through. He hold the door for me. He goes go sir And I'm like no, no, you go kid you go kid now. He's like no sir I'm like I'm thinking I'm saying if I would have been young I'm saying hell no I'm not fucking moving until he go first, but he's like kid and I'm thinking I'm saying and It was hard for me to go. It was like, no. No, I went first and I lost, but I was like,

Starting point is 00:21:48 I was hard. This is not normal. But I think my brain works like that. It's great. So you had a Russian standoff with a kid. Yeah, with a kid, it's like, eight years old. Like, I'm mulling and I'm doing something. Is that a good for it?

Starting point is 00:22:00 No, no, please go first. And he's there, I was like, that was like, OK, thank you. And I play like nothing ever, but in my mind, I was like that was I okay Thank you, and I play like play like nothing ever been my mind I was like If that eight kid a girl kid only know he's like I've ever seen a movie Pre-Fontane you ever seen the pre-Fontane. No, I don't the mayor the marathon the marathon That would run like three miles not one mile

Starting point is 00:22:18 He was like his coaches like you're better at three the whole field night story with the shoes So there's a scene in the movie where he's telling these kids, so here you guys can run with me and you're gonna practice and all this stuff and he's at this high school and he's an adult at this point, he's a champion, everybody knows. And he's running and this one kid keeps trying to get ahead of him and he says,

Starting point is 00:22:37 no, slow down, you can't run ahead of me. He says, the kid is 12 years old. This guy's 30 years old, I say, he keeps running. He keeps trying to get ahead of me. You have to stand behind him. He says, what is the man? And by the way, psychologically, he did not want to buy in the fact

Starting point is 00:22:51 that even anybody that could beat him. So they run out of the end, he still tells the kid, you can't run ahead of me. So he keeps running faster than him. These are the little quirks of the goats that it's so hard to explain that somebody will write a book and will call you, you know, hypomanic, you're mentally off, you're this, you're that. Yeah, but the world admires, seeing folks who are able to take the game to the

Starting point is 00:23:13 levels that you took it to. I see it like a little bit like an addictions sort of. It's something that I need it in the past in order to perform in my fill of work, but now I have to let go of these things. And it's very hard to let go, man. Like, there's a little things like that that happen to me. And people don't notice it because it happens inside of my head, but it's hard, man. Like, like, like, some of my friend knows

Starting point is 00:23:40 and they play trick with me sometimes. Like, I'm eating sometimes and sometimes, I notice I like everything lined up in my table. And my friend, let's say I go to Badger when I come back, they, they, they, they react, they, they, they, they're good friends. The configuration of the table and, and they,

Starting point is 00:23:57 they all laughing. So when I come, I automatically put it back and they're all like, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, you know, like stuff like that. I mean, it's funny, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, about becoming the best fighter in the world. And I have to blend in with the other people, you know what I mean? And I always say it could be that much. But you're only 40 years old. I mean, you still got 60 more years to live. I agree, but I think it will not happen overnight.

Starting point is 00:24:36 I need to slowly adapt to this. And I need to release. Release, I won't be able to release everything from A to Z. I think it will take time. So go back to go back and ask, like was there a life event? I know you've talked about bullying as a kid when you were going through,

Starting point is 00:24:51 but was there a life event that got you to say, I have to be the best at something. Did something, it's to say, I'm gonna be the best at this game. I'm gonna go all the way to the top. Was there a certain life event? Was it, I'm doing it for my mom. I'm doing it for my dad.

Starting point is 00:25:05 You know, some of this kids said this, and I watch a video the other day that's going viral. I don't know if you've got seen it or not, it's just a single like a couple hundred million views. The sky, who's a boxer, he's fighting the former bully from high school, the bully from high school comes into the rank who knows how to fight, but he's fighting the kid he used to bully all the time,

Starting point is 00:25:23 but the kid that he used to bully all the time is now a very good fighter. So the bully is still trying to bully him. And this guy is destroying him. I'm going to give you the video to play it here in the minutes. A great video. I'll find it. I'll show it to you. But what was it for you that said, I have to be the best. Was it something you were born with or did an event in your life? Said, I'm going to show the world what I'm all about.

Starting point is 00:25:44 It's a hard question to ask. I think when you care about something, and I'm a very by nature competitive person, and I cared about martial art, I got really inspired by Roy's Gracie, and I think I'm going to try to explain to you how I got inspired by him. So maybe you would understand how the brain works. I, when I was a kid, I was bullied, of course. And I started. You were bullied as a kid.

Starting point is 00:26:15 Yes, I was. I was bad. And Montreal, you're saying growing up. Yeah, yeah, South Shore. Yeah, I was bullied. I was at, instead of focusing on what the teacher was explaining in front of the class, I had to focus on how I'm going to get my books from my locker, reach the bus before the kids wait for me, the older kids. They had a program at the school where I was, it's called in French, Teixia,

Starting point is 00:26:37 it's basically kids that were older than us that used to redo their grade because they couldn't pass. that were older than us, that used to redo their grade because they couldn't pass. So there were like, sometimes three, two, three years older than us, but at the time when you're a kid, when you're like seven, eight years old, it's a big difference. You have someone who's 10 years old and you're eight or 11, it's not like you're 25 and 28.

Starting point is 00:27:02 No, there's 30% older than you. Yeah, it's a huge difference. Exactly. It's a huge difference. So a lot of issues with this kid. And at that time, I was, you know, I was, most of my friend were a geek and intellectual people. Even eight years old, you're saying.

Starting point is 00:27:17 Yeah, there were kids that were more, you know, like, stalwarts and, you know, like, I like that stuff, you know, like a mathematics. And I was like that too, but I was very good in sport. You know, I was like in my, among some of my friends, I was the one that was pretty, maybe the most athletic guy in my friend. So, and therefore I was very often in situation that when there was, we had trouble with these older kids. I was the one stepping in to try to fix it.

Starting point is 00:27:50 But unfortunately, it didn't go my way very often. So in the street, I have a losing record if I look in my childhood. But I start martial art as a self-defense. And so if I, if I, and then the self-defense become quickly a passion because things were not going well for me at home, and they were not going well at school either.

Starting point is 00:28:15 The only place where I felt I was valuable, I was at value, and I was doing well, it wasn't the dojo, the place where I was training. That was the only place that it was very rewarding for me to be there. So it became a passion. And that part of your identity almost? Yes, and I learned that the discipline there, because I grew up with a lot of anger, a lot of negativity.

Starting point is 00:28:38 And at that time, I felt a little bit oppressed. I didn't realize how lucky I was to be born in a country like Canada with all the opportunity. I felt like I didn't see the world the same way I was seeing. And if I fast forward later, one of my karate teacher died. And when I saw Roy's Gracie, I saw the first UFC, I was a teenager.

Starting point is 00:29:05 I saw a guy that did not look very intimidating, but he was fighting these other guys that were much, much better than him. They look like bullied to me. And he looked like the victim. Yeah, all right. So when I saw him winning the first tournament in the UFC, I saw him do things that I was never able to do at

Starting point is 00:29:26 the time. Like revenge, taking a revenge, the revenge, defending himself against the bully. So I believe that's why I got very inspired by what he did. And right away, I was like, man, this guy is like my hero. I want to become like him. I want to be him because I was not able to do that when I was young. I want to be, I want to become like him. I want to be him because I was not able to do that when I was young. I want to be, I want to do like what he did. So I wanted to follow his path. And right away I told my friend at the time, said, that's what I want to do.

Starting point is 00:29:52 I was already a black belt in karate. By what age? I was around 13 years old. And this happened when I was 15 years old. So I told my friends, and I want to become UFC champion. They all start laughing. By 13, being a black belt, because I did karate as a kid, and I remember they gave I was like a brown belt by like age 12, but was I really a brown belt?

Starting point is 00:30:13 Exactly, that's my question. Like were you really a black belt by each 13 like a legit badass? Or was it kind of... The belt is only there to tie up your gear. The system of belt, it's a reward system. Business thing. And you know, in reality, the belt is supposed to be white. But over the years, because you train so hard over the years, it becomes dirty, dirty, dirty, dirty, becomes black. You don't have to change a belt like white yellow, orange, green, what a concept. You wanted to become naturally black. Yes, that's that's how it should be. But now

Starting point is 00:30:50 they sell these belt because the money. Now, even they put stripe and it to make another belt in between. Yes, yes, yes. It's a business thing. I was a brown belt with black stripes. But I was 12 years old. Any any 18 years would have kicked a shit out of me. A hundred percent. But but what I is, it's not because you're an higher rank belt that you're more of a badass. It just means that you might have more knowledge than the lower rank belt. It doesn't mean you're necessarily a better fighter,

Starting point is 00:31:19 but when you're a kid, you know what I mean? There's a factor of strength, maturity, you know, there's a lot of thing that plays out, you know. Can I revisit something we were talking about just right off air and it has to do with this concept of being the best. Right, so you said I was obsessed with being the best, obsessed. Right, and I come to think of what's the female fight? Rose, Nama Eunice. How do you say her? Rose Nama Eunice, yeah. There's this clip of her, even Rogan talked about it,

Starting point is 00:31:49 about she's just, she's in the ring saying, I'm the best, I'm the best, I'm the best. Have you seen her do this? Yes. She says, I'm the best, I'm the best. You said there wasn't a lot that separated the guy who was number two and you were number one. Physically, right? There's not a lot that separates the elite athletes physically. How much does

Starting point is 00:32:11 does mentally being mentally prepared? Everything you were talking about earlier, what separates the goat, the greatest of all time from all stars? I believe it's a lot of factor, but the reason if I think rose Nameshun as saying I'm the best I'm the best I Call I think is it's called James Lange theory and I'm gonna explain to you We know that your mind can dictate your body what to do if I'm thirsty I'm saying to myself. I'm thirsty grab the bottle and drink water But the opposite is true, too. My actions can change my division that I have of myself.

Starting point is 00:32:54 And I use that before every single of my fights. Because before every fight, I'm terrified. I'm extremely uncomfortable. I'm scared. However, there's a routine that I have in my locker room. And the day of the fight, my trainer is no, my friend knows I'm putting on a mask. I'm putting on an act. They all know I'm scared and very often I'm telling them, I said, what the hell I'm doing here? And they're laughing because it's the same thing all the time. The same, the same

Starting point is 00:33:24 And they're laughing because it's the same thing all the time the same the same Movie that plays all the time, but I'm playing a role so they ask me even the way I had most of before every fight normally I don't have a good night of sleep because I'm too scared. I'm running scenarios in my mind and they always ask me I'll I'll fresh you feel today. I'm always like I feel great, man I'm ready to kick ass is gonna be a good day and I'm playing that role I feel great man, I'm ready to kick ass, it's gonna be a good day. And I'm playing that role of a kind of a super hero who's not afraid, who's excited to find out how he's gonna win the whole day until I meet, until it's time to take my walk to the octagon.

Starting point is 00:33:56 And I have a routine that I do when the UFC guys come and I'm come to get me before I walk, he goes, say Pierre, he kicked the door, he goes say Pierre, you up next. Are you ready? I'm like, yes, one minute sir, I go in the bathroom and I go in the bathroom to look myself in the mirror. And normally I before I used to have a gig, I was putting my gimme a bandana as I was doing this, but I'm telling myself all the reasons why I think I will win the fight. Even if it's not true, because I don't know what the other guy's does.

Starting point is 00:34:30 Even if it's not true, as long as I believe it, it will transform the way I see myself and will make me more confident. So I'm telling myself that I train harder than him. I put more time than he did. I have better trainers, I have better training partners. I flew in all these killers and training camp to try to test me and I got through like a champion. There's no way I'm gonna lose this fight. I'm faster, I have a better IQ, fighting IQ than he does.

Starting point is 00:34:58 I'm stronger for whatever the reason is. And then for one minute, I telling all this as I'm looking down and I'm putting on an act then when I get out of the bathroom, I'm not the same person that I was when I got in. It's show time. And now I'm on a different powerful. I'm on what I call cruise control.

Starting point is 00:35:19 So that's what it is about. You know what I mean? You need to transform yourself psychologically. That's what it is about, you know what I mean? You need to transform yourself psychologically. That's what I did. So when Rose is, I'm the best, I'm the best. That's why I think she does. She trying to transform herself, telling that repeatedly in order to start believing it.

Starting point is 00:35:37 You know who used to say that a lot? Diego Sanchez used to be like, yes, yes. I don't know if you remember Diego, he was fun to watch, man. There was something unique about watching that guy. He had a good streak at one point. And you know why? Because in fighting and I think in everything in life,

Starting point is 00:35:52 when you want to achieve something that is difficult, you need to go all in. Its confidence is a very, very important thing. That's why you see some guys that are good in the gym, but when the light comes up, they can pull the trigger. Confidence for me, if I can make an analogy, is like, let's say you have someone

Starting point is 00:36:11 who have all the skills in the world, but no confidence. It's like someone who has a lot, for example, a lot of money in his bank account, but no way to access his bank account. So it's useless. So when you have the confidence and the skills, now the magic can happen. By the way, I want to show this video But you were saying something about your coach. You're like, man, I'm just scared all this stuff

Starting point is 00:36:31 Have you seen the video this scene? We're not gonna show that one. There's a scene with you You're telling your coach. It's my my growing. I pull my groin and the coach tells you I don't care Yeah, my adductor muscle. I don't care. Hit him with your groin. Hit him with your groin Do you know that? That's what his coach told him. Yeah, he stays in the corner. You're saying this and the coach is like, hit him with the groin.

Starting point is 00:36:50 Are we able to watch it? No, I want to show you this other fight about this bully. So check this out. So that guy to the right, he's talking to me. You got to listen to the audio. Turn on the audio and rewind it a little bit. Who's the bully? So the bully is the guy in the black shirt.

Starting point is 00:36:59 But you got to hear the audio. You'll never beat me again. Listen. Watch what happens. The guy in the black shirt is a bully. In high school. The other guy knows what he's doing. You see the difference in skill, it's not even close.

Starting point is 00:37:26 But you know what, guys, I'm going to tell you the truth. I mean, most people, they might glorify this. Me, I don't like to see this. Oh, let me tell you the part that makes me feel uncomfortable about this. I don't like this because I happen to be in a similar situation. Yeah. The bully is a bully because maybe that's the only way you learn how to communicate. Maybe you don't know.

Starting point is 00:37:58 I've changed my mind over that because I remember going up, I to to one day take my revenge and beat up the people who bully me But it's a true story. I'm gonna tell you one day I was driving that they they they used I'll go back. It's it will be easier to explain when I was one of the guys I used to beat me up It was on the bus. It was Beat me up in the bus very often and not only beat me up. It was very mental Painful mentally for me because he was humiliating me. It was beat me up in the bus, very often. Not only beat me up, it was very mental, painful mentally for me, because he was humiliating me. He was like telling me, shouting me names and stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:38:32 Can't understand it, can't. Yes, in front of everybody, because the cool guy were sitting in the back, and the guy who were not that cool were in the front, I was in the front, he was in the back. So when he was shouting stuff at me, everybody could hear, and I was on the spot. It was in the back, so when it was shalting stuff at me, everybody could hear and I was on the spot, it was very humiliating and something was hurting me. One day I came back from school with a black eye and my dad took me, he said, now you're

Starting point is 00:38:56 gonna tell me what happened. I never snitch nobody, but one time I did, I said, yeah, there's a guy in the bus, I can't say his name, he said,'s a guy in the bus. I can't say his name. He said, beat me up in the bus. And I'm from a small town. Everybody knows everybody. So my dad did the unthinkable. He found out where the kids live.

Starting point is 00:39:15 He went to see the dad. He knocked at the door. When the door opened, my dad told me the service. He said, when the door opened, he could see that the dad answered the door, but he was, he said it was a bad atmosphere. The, the, the dad was drunk, smell alcohol, and he could see right away that the kid probably grew up with, with his dad, no mother, and probably the way that he learned how to communicate was from his dad. So I was just a collateral damage. But at the time I was young, I didn't realize that it's later. I become more

Starting point is 00:39:51 mature. And when he told me that, I remember he was telling me that. So he told me that he talked to the dad and he's going to stop bullying me. But the day after I go in the bus, what did you think happened? Oh, you went to snitch to your father? Da da da da. Now I have to fight him again, I got beat up again, and I got humiliated again. So he didn't do any good to me. Fast forward a few years after, I'm driving my car

Starting point is 00:40:17 on Selleran Boulevard, on Selleran corner, Sherbrook, there's a guy begging for money, like they wash your window, you know? I look, it's him. The guy that used to bully me, he's wearing that, he used to bully me. So I look at him and he look at me and he saw me and I know he knew who I become. So I go, I go like this, I parked my car on the side and I'm walking and I could see by his body language, he was like, shit, I don't know what to do. Like, he felt like, like, he looked like someone who was very scared. So I look, I say, I tell his name, I say, what you doing here, man?

Starting point is 00:40:53 Is that how things does not go well for me? You know, I need help. I give him money, I add in my pocket. I say, listen, when I was young, man, everybody wanted to be like you. You were like the cool guy, you were taller than everybody, you have a lot of potentials. What the hell, where is your pride? How come you end up here?

Starting point is 00:41:13 He said, I know what things does not go well. So I said, get out of here man. I don't want to see you there, you know what I mean? So I got back in my car and I laughed. And this made me feel much better. Holy moly. Then if I would have beat them up. Yes. Because, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:41:28 I would not want to, if I wanted to, I could have kick his ass, but why? Why is it... There's a difference though. There's one difference though with the story that I see. Because I'm fully with you, you know, on the story you said. Because, you know, you see certain friends that are bullying you when you were small and you're like, you know're like you're not going to do shit all these

Starting point is 00:41:47 dreams you keep dreaming you ain't going to do nothing. So but he stayed he was down when you met him the second time around. The last time around. This guy still coming acting like a bully and he's being reminded so the level of this sometimes in life because what's the alternative? Let get bullied again, your entire luck, cause that's a very emotional thing, you know, very emotional, and bullying comes in different ways.

Starting point is 00:42:12 One is the fighting, one is words, one is status, one is family, I came from a divorce family, and I'm Armenian Middle Eastern, nobody was getting a divorce, who you ain't gonna do shit, so I joined the army, I had the frickin' same attitude as well. And then some of those guys came back who were bullying and you're sitting onto them.

Starting point is 00:42:30 What victory do I have to show how much more successful I am? There's no reason. What you did, that story, it's such a frickin' emotional story right there. When you tell a story, what was his reaction by the, what happened to that guy afterwards? Because that's the part. He came to my parent or my parent live

Starting point is 00:42:46 Yeah, after a few months you wanted to talk to me. I'm from a small town You know you knew where I live But my parents said churches does not live here anymore for it's been a long time So he goes I can you tell him I found a job now things go well That's so great. There's a bad ending to this story and I remember I told On Joe Rogan at that time and but there's a bad ending I went a few years after another street corner and I remember I told on Joe Rogan at that time, but there's a bad ending. I went a few years after on another street corner and I see him again and I turned my window

Starting point is 00:43:10 and I was like, I tell him, I say, what the hell? He goes, still back. Oh, things doesn't go well. I'm like, shoot, he's back in. But what I don't like is the fact that sometime the bully, I think it's ignorance. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:43:24 It's their it's ignorance. You know what I mean? It's their ignorance. Ignorance? Ignorance in a way that they don't know how painful it is. They don't know how demagable it is what they're doing. You know, like this guy over there, he still act like a bully, but I think he's kind of an ignorant guy, he doesn't understand. And the other guy, I think, should be the better man.

Starting point is 00:43:46 You know, I'm not saying let him bully you, but just do with the necessary force, what you need to do to make him understand. You don't have to humiliate him back. You know, the battle with the story, the bus, the bully, the street corner, like, wow, ridiculous, I'm getting, you know, the goose bumps. But let's say you did kick the crap out of him.

Starting point is 00:44:10 Yeah. Let's say you did. Do you think that would have had a better effect? Because you said you saw him a few years later right at the street corner. It was too late. I'm sure he does not bully young kid anymore, you know? I'm sure he does.

Starting point is 00:44:22 No, but it sounds like he's bullying his own life. Yeah. It sounds like he needed some sort of ass-wapping, mental clarity to change, right? Because something needs to happen for you to change. Yeah. Like this guy, I don't, we don't know his story. But at the end of the day, when he gets this crap kicked out of him by the guy who used to bully,

Starting point is 00:44:44 something's gonna change. Clearly. There's a guy that said the teacher gets up there who is teaching philosophy or something and he says, hey, I want to prove to you guys that God doesn't exist. Watch this. Hey, if there's really a God out there, I want somebody to come and prove to me that there's a God out there. He's got out in front of you know He's saying this in front of students anyways. I'm probably paraphrasing and telling a couple the story that's and details not accurate

Starting point is 00:45:11 One guy gets up there and punches him in the face a student the teacher Yeah, it's punches the teacher in the face. He says what the hell was that all about? He says I'm a marine and I wanted a proof that got exists He told me to come a punch in the face. Right. So the teacher's like, you're out of your mind. He says, no, you listen, God told me to come a punch in the face. He exists, right?

Starting point is 00:45:32 I think sometimes all of us act cocky, every one of us. And sometimes we need to be humbled. And I think it happens to all of us. And quite frankly, I'm grateful for the people who humbled me. So if somebody wouldn't have humbled me, so to me, I like what this guy is doing because we all need to be humble. That's some point of the game. It's as weird as it sounds. You know, it's funny, I'm listening to you and you're talking about the fact that, you know, you know, the soul situation writes, like, you know, this

Starting point is 00:46:00 thing, this old situation, you know, how this is structured, all the OCD stuff, right? There's a great book for that, by the way, two books, one of them's called Hypo-Manic Edge, the other one's called First-Rade Madness, absolutely incredible, that says, why the crazies run the world? Because they see world in a different lens. A German philosopher once said,

Starting point is 00:46:17 if a line could speak, we could not understand them, because a line speak a different language, right? Now, here's a challenge, and I want you to push back. I'm gonna give it to you, disagree with me, if you follow, like, I don't agree, here different language, right? Now here's a challenge and I want you to push back. I wanna give it to you, disagree with me if you follow like, I don't agree, here's why, okay. So, I want an interview with Mike Ditka, okay. You know Mike Ditka? Mike Ditka is one of the best.

Starting point is 00:46:37 He was a coach of the Chicago Bears. He's a big time, a lot. I'm very comfortable. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got a picture time. So I know, I go interview Mike Ditka and I I'm sitting with him and this guy was the guy that would call you out. He was dark.

Starting point is 00:46:50 He was like a child. He was a fighter. He was like, you know, he was a man. A man. Truly a man's man. And sitting there, I'm interviewing with him. And he starts becoming apologetic about how tough he was on people. And I'm like, man, I don't know why I don't want to hear that.

Starting point is 00:47:07 Then I watch a story of Vince Lombardy, a documentary, if you don't know who Vince Lombardy is, Vince Lombardy, some of them call him the greatest coach of all time. Private ability. Green Bay Pack, a big time flip. When you win the Super Bowl in America, they give you a trophy that's called the Lombardy Trophy.

Starting point is 00:47:21 I like it. It's a man. So because of him, right? So there's a documentary, I don't know if you've seen it, you gotta watch this, bro, it's pretty sick. So his wife would say, you know, we would put events all the time, and then he would come and entertain whatever,

Starting point is 00:47:32 I just got the chills all over my body, he says, then all of a sudden he would step away and it would go to his room and he would start crying. Lombardi. Lombardi would cry, you can't picture a guy like this, a while you're crying. He says, because I feel like I was little too tough, too tough on my guys. I was little too tough feel like I was little tough, too tough on my guys.

Starting point is 00:47:46 I was little too tough on my players. I was little too tough on my, I shouldn't have been that tough. And he's only reliving all the people he was tough on, right? And then they go and interview the players. And the players like, shit, we were grateful because if it wasn't for a guy that had these types of expectations,

Starting point is 00:48:03 we wouldn't be who we are today. So, you know, I feel like sometimes when that killer instinct goes, you know, maybe you're right, we're living at a different phase where it's no longer necessary to have that killer instinct, but if I have a kid that wants to make it at the highest level in any realm that he's playing, I think during that time when he's playing, there's gotta be an element of madness. When you watch Manin, the arena with Brady, or you watch Michael Jordan, the last dance, you watch some of these guys,

Starting point is 00:48:35 you're like, dude, these guys are off. And I feel like you have to be off to compete at that level. So do you think for you to be at the point that you're at, it's because you're no longer competitively Doing something that there's a vision to be the greatest in that space So because that you have to kind of leave that to the past and there's a new chapter coming up I think it's meant it's definitely more mental than physical Physically, I might not have been as good as I used to be, but I'm sure if I

Starting point is 00:49:05 would have the same mental that I used to with the same drive, I could have go back and be very competitive and maybe be champion again. I don't know, maybe yes, maybe no, but I think like you said you need to be different. And talk about the past, like my old charity teacher that I told you that introduced me to Karate. Yeah, my dad introduced me first, but he was working too much. The way he taught me, man, he couldn't, I, teacher, karate instructor, cannot teach the kids the same way they used to taught me because they would go in jail. They would go in jail, but you know why? You know what? the way they used to taught me because they would go in jail. They would go in jail, but you know why?

Starting point is 00:49:44 You know what? I'm very happy that he taught me that way because that's what I needed. That's exactly what you said. And I agree with what you just said. I needed this. It was a different era. It was different.

Starting point is 00:49:57 My dad, the way my dad raised me, I would never be able to raise kids like this. I'll go in jail, you know what I mean? Now it's crazy, you know what I mean? You have kids, you have kids? No, no. No kids yet. No, it's crazy.

Starting point is 00:50:12 I'll go in jail, you know what I mean? It's a different time, different era, you know what I mean? It's just... Pat, you're a father, four kids. Yeah. You hear what he's saying. Your father was probably the biggest impact on your life. No, that. We talk about that openly, vocally, he was tough on you. Not physically though,

Starting point is 00:50:30 but the way that he interacted with you. There's a lot of truth to what he's saying. We even talked about it with the tennis coach, Rick Macy, about how tough he was with, he was a coach for Venus and Serena Williams, greatest tennis, Venus, tell us. Nick Bolleteri was probably much tougher than the rest of the world. Yeah. Okay. But we talked about the effect on kids today. As a father, you're hearing this.

Starting point is 00:50:55 How are you digesting and processing what he says as a father, tougher back in the day versus what you're doing now? My dad and I had a conversation and he's talking about, you know, it's my fault. It's my fault. It was this moment that he and I had, I'm like, dude, that's stop. I said, whatever way you raised me, you did the right thing. And I'm glad for it. I'm telling you, I would tell you if you screwed, my dad was freaking like, he expected this.

Starting point is 00:51:21 I'm like, dude, I'm so glad you were the way you were because I wouldn't be the way I'm I think the challenge here is The person that's the coach who second guesses themselves The person who makes it at the level he makes it who second guesses themselves like, you know Maybe it was too much. Maybe it was this. Maybe it was at no, bro You would have never made it at that level if you didn't freaking Maybe it was this, maybe it was that no, bro, you would have never made it at that level of you didn't freaking Demental torture a peak performer goes through to get there I mean, you know, some people like well, I'm you know the other day Brandon Shob and Joe were talking about them nice and I have to say a few words

Starting point is 00:51:58 But they were talking about the fact that they on the podcast they talk about levels to athletes, right? Okay So let's just say like oh oh, you make in the top 10%. Okay, there's a very big difference between being the top 10% anything versus top 1%. So you make in the top 1%. Oh, very different sacrifices than we have thinking to go from top 1% to 0.1%. Then to 0.1%, there is the 0.0. Then so there's always levels, but to keep going to that next level, if people knew what it took to get there 99.999,999% of the people wouldn't do the work together because nothing has guaranteed. That's the that's the battle and you know like sales. I'll bring young sales guys. It's a lot easier to get sales younger sales guys to It's a lot easier to get younger sales guys to give the best and work harder because they're thinking they have a shot at one day making XYZ, but bringing a 50-year-old person

Starting point is 00:52:52 and try to tell them. The 50-year-old person goes in their process and everything more logically. They're like, yeah, I remember when I got my... In their mind, they're telling this. No, I remember when I was 20, I got my real estate license and I gave five years and I worked so hard, nothing happened, I lost that girl. Yeah, I remember when I was 39, I got my real estate license and I gave five years and I worked so hard, nothing happened, I lost that girl. Yeah, I remember when I was 39 years old, I started that little restaurant and I put 300,000 and didn't work.

Starting point is 00:53:11 You can't convince that guy to pay the price at 52 years old because he knows too much, sometimes knowing too much will prevent you from giving your best for anything. Old dogs, new tricks. You know what I'm saying? Almost not knowing and being oblivious is a freaking gift. You say they say something young dumb is better than being like older and whicter. It's true. It's true. You're not aware of the danger of the risk. To Pat's point, this mental, this process that you're going through a process, I went through this. I don't know

Starting point is 00:53:41 if you went through this because you matured a little bit before my, but turning 40, right? You have a birthday coming up. You're gonna be 41. You retired how many years ago? It's about five years, right? Okay. How much did the number 40 affect you?

Starting point is 00:53:58 You're laughing right now. 40 was on my mind. I was like, holy shit. 40. Because you've been great for two decades now. Since you were, I mean, when did you really reach the pinnacle age 21? I don't know what it was. I'm not sure. I think that you're the prime.

Starting point is 00:54:14 You talk about performance and sport. I think it's hard to say because sometimes you have the physicality and the knowledge, you know, and your knowledge will always increase, but your physicality. Of course. You know what I mean? When and the knowledge, you know, and your knowledge will always increase by your physicality. Of course. You know what I mean? When the peak meets, you know. But you retired at age 35. 37.

Starting point is 00:54:32 37. 36, 36. Okay, 36. Yes, yes. But looking forward, you saw that number 40. And you said, quite clearly, I want the best to be behind me. I don't want to retire too late. What did the concept of turning 40 do for you?

Starting point is 00:54:49 I think it's just some time you physically and mentally, like physically, I feel like I don't recuperate as well as I used to. Some little injuries, some time that you feel that you didn't feel before. Mentally, it's just a number, I guess, it's just a number. And I think as time goes by, they keep pushing back the age of when you should retire. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:55:16 I remember it was an era that when you reach 30, you're like, oh, you're pretty much, you're at the end of it. But now in combat sport, especially when you're 30 years old, normally you're in your prime right now, you know, 30 years old. I got a different kind of a question for you with that age thing. So even today, so in your mind, you're a pretty logical, reasonable guy, but you're also pretty confident guy. You got a good balance of both.

Starting point is 00:55:39 You don't lack confidence and ego and you don't lack logic and being able to reason. Today, say you said, I'm gonna go train and I'm gonna go bring the coaches and I'm gonna do real training. Like, you know how you go as certain people like, hey, did Mazavid all really train this for going up and he says, yeah, he was really, oh, this person, that guy really wasn't training.

Starting point is 00:55:58 No shit, he lost. Why didn't you only do one week of training? You kind of processed that, right? Say you go and three to six months, you fully prepare to fight, okay? And say there is a fight with you against Connor, Oregon's, Kabeab, those two names. If a fight was with you against Connor at their age today and say Kabeab agreed and said he wants to come back. When it's not going to happen, he said he's not going to do it because when his father, that he promises mom that he's

Starting point is 00:56:24 not going to come back and you're saying 100% you're's not gonna do it because when his father that he promises mom that he's not gonna come back and you're saying 100% you're not gonna do it even for 30 million dollars. You say you will do for a hundred million dollars, right? Now for no, no, no, no, no one here. But if it did and you did train, we know it's not gonna happen. But if it did, do you think you could beat a Connor

Starting point is 00:56:37 or a cabeeb today? If you did go six months training and they did as well. Why, if I have the same, the motivation to do it, yeah, I believe so. Oh, even have to say, do you think you can beat to be in Connor if you did go six months training and they did as well. Why, if I have the same, the motivation to do it, yeah, I believe so. Oh, even have to say, do you think you can be the people in Conor? If you do, if I have the motivation to go to another or something like that.

Starting point is 00:56:51 And you don't wanna do it. No, I don't wanna do it. I don't have the heart, I don't have the, the motivation of the way. You were kind of tying in the age factor with the motivation. I don't think it's the age though. I don't think it's the age.

Starting point is 00:57:02 It's not the fight, guys, it's, I don't wanna take the motivation. I don't think it's the age though. I don't think it's the age. It's not the fight, guys. It's, I don't wanna take the beating. Two months of my life getting, I don't wanna waste two months of my life doing this. I just don't want to put me through the stress, through the, the, the, the, the grind of doing this again. Do you wanna be in the hunt for another thing in your life again or you don't be in a doubt?

Starting point is 00:57:24 Oh yeah, I'm a nut down. What are you, what are you in the hunt for? I can't at that level of a hunt. I'm as a human being and I'm sure you guys is the same for you. The key for me is to be happy is to reach the to be the person that I want to be and I remember when I was a kid I was looking at myself in the mirror and I didn't I didn't not like what I used to see. I hated it. I didn't like myself and I was a kid at that time. I was bullied. I was a kid who lacked a lot of self confidence.

Starting point is 00:57:57 I didn't add a good image of myself. And I remember that I had a vision and I had a vision of who I wanted to become. No, I'm not talking about champion and physical. So I'm talking about mental, like as a person. And I fall in love with that image that I want to become. So that's what helps me to get, to go through my day at the time when it was hard for me at the time because I didn't have the knowledge that I have now. And I'm still not that person, that perfect ideal person that I want to become. You know, I'm better than I was, but I'm still lacking a lot of thing.

Starting point is 00:58:43 You know, for example, I'm not a very patient person. I'm more patient than I used to be, but I'm not, you lot of thing. For example, I'm not a very patient person. I'm more patient than I used to be, but I'm not, you know, things like this, that the idea, person that I visualize when I was a kid and it changed over the year, I'm still not there. I still, you know, I want to become that person. I'm still working towards it. And I'm not talking about championship and stuff like this,

Starting point is 00:59:03 just helped me to become more confident confident changing. It's bigger than fighting Yes, exactly. It's better than fighting the person. Yeah, now I'm more I'm more of an entrepreneur and more you know I it's different my life has changed, but it mold me to become a different person and I'm still not there yet I'm still Working to become that person. But are you in a hunt for something? I outside of that, I mean, I understand. Because even in life, one can be in the hunt for what you're doing, like I as a man,

Starting point is 00:59:31 I am in the hunt to really be curious and know what the 50 year old PBD is gonna be. I'm 43 right now, I can't wait to meet my 50 year old Patrick, we're David, I wanna see what I'm gonna be like. I'm so excited to meet that guy. I'm patient the next seven years that can go as slow as possible, I'm cool with it. But I'm excited about it, right?

Starting point is 00:59:49 I'm looking forward to it because I wanna see what next develop and I'm gonna have as I recreate myself. But I'm talking about outside of that, you know, are you in the hunt for something, a sport, a business? Like, Kabib is doing what he's doing. Eddie Hurne and Jake Paul are sitting there, Eddie's telling Jake, hey, you're an a business. Like, Kabib is doing what he's doing. Eddie Herne and Jake Paul are sitting there.

Starting point is 01:00:06 Eddie's telling Jake, hey, you're an average boxer at best, but that's still a compliment. And Jake, so they're in the hunt for something. You know, they must be in the hunt for something. Joe is in the hunt for something. He's on a podcast game and he's doing what he's doing. Right. Everybody's in the hunt for something.

Starting point is 01:00:20 What are you in the hunt for right now? I believe I am in the hunt to first to be healthy. This thing is the most I think to be in order to be happy. One of the most important things to be healthy, to be loved, to be the love, the health, I think it's part of happiness and freedom. Whenever 100% free. We always have responsibility.

Starting point is 01:00:48 And for me, I use fighting as a benchmark to have more freedom, to be able to do what I do. And I'm still not satisfied yet. I'm still working to be more free, to be have more, when I say freedom, it's not necessarily money, money help you to be free because you can buy things and something you can have a better lifestyle, you know, a quality of life through it.

Starting point is 01:01:17 But that's not the only thing that makes you happy, you know what I mean? And I think that's what it is. And I have knowledge that I have now that I'm glad that I have, but I wish I would have had before. You know what I mean? Stuff that I've learned that changed my life. That man, there's so much stuff like I wish I would have.

Starting point is 01:01:36 Do you know what I'm asking? Do you know what I'm asking? You know what I'm asking? Do you know what I'm asking? Like here's what I'm asking. Like I'm asking, is there a space, not personal, not like enlightenment, which is, we're all searching enlightenment

Starting point is 01:01:50 because we wanna get a little bit more clarity in life or free to make it more money. But are you, because again, you're 41 and you're very young, right? Are you in the hunt to give your best to, like for example, are we gonna see a GSP podcast coming out and that's what you're gonna do for the next few years

Starting point is 01:02:10 because you wanna build a podcast and you wanna go out. Is it gonna be, you know what? I like what Dana is doing. I feel like I can give back to the UFC world by doing XYZ. I feel like I can go out there and do build one of the best training facilities where young fighters come and I shaped their mindset and I Developed one of the best schools around the world to teach trainer to teach fighters how to really fight What's that next thing with you?

Starting point is 01:02:34 for me, I think It would be to pass down my knowledge, you know, knowledge that I acquire over the years um in order to help the next generation to get better, to surpass the present generation. And I think it's Einstein. He says, if I can see further than my predecessors, because I'm standing on shoulder of giant. And it's I think it's true in sport as well. I think what I can do to help the next generation is in a way for me, I'm working now on a project with doing instructional video. That's one thing I'm gonna do and I'm gonna be able to

Starting point is 01:03:20 teach my knowledge to certain people that it will help them to not make the same mistake that I did. So they have a head start already. So that's why when you talk about, for example, sport and performance and business, anything, why performance get better? It's not because the guy is better, it's because they have a head start. They learn from their predecessors. And I think it's the same thing in everything. And I think it's my duty in order to try to help them, to make the world better, to pass down that knowledge. Who do you think? How I am able to, sometime I mentally, a lot of guys after they retire, they become kind

Starting point is 01:03:57 of depressed because they don't have that high in my life. How I overcome that. You know, I use fasting and cold and water immersion to do this. And people are like, it's kind of stupid, but it's not stupid in a way. Can explain. Sometimes in life, some people like they fill their press or they have some problems. Everybody has problems. Even if you don't have that much of a problem, you might feel like you have a lot of problem. But one thing that might feel like you have a lot of problem. But one thing that helps me with fasting and cold water immersion is these,

Starting point is 01:04:31 I put myself voluntary into that stress. When you haven't eaten for a certain amount of days, and if you try that to ask your doctor first, for me, I help me mentally, it's very therapeutic, because when you haven't eaten for a certain amount of days, it's a very basic thing that you're fighting, you're fighting against starvation, you know what I mean? So all your problems, like, all your little problem will go away and focus only on the problem that you're fighting

Starting point is 01:05:02 off starvation. So it's not the fasting that will help you, that will be therapeutic. For you, it's when you break the fast, when you eat, it will make you appreciate life and how it will make you realize how insignificant those little problems that you have are. Same thing when you're in a cold water immersion, you're fighting hypothermia. I think it's a little ironic as you're talking about starvation and Pat had to have a little bite of food right there. Yeah, I'm approaching.

Starting point is 01:05:29 But if you believe you will achieve, well, and I'm really glad that you kind of revisited the conversation because you said, what's the next step with you GSB? And he said, well, you know, I wanna be healthy and you're like, no, but like, what do you really want? And the answer that you gave was you wanna coach. You wanna help the youth.

Starting point is 01:05:45 That coach, I don't have, I don't think I have the patience to be a good coach, to be one on one, I go to coach, to pass down my wisdom. Yes, now days, I remember when I wanted to learn Giu-Gitsu, I need to physically attempt a class of Giu-Gitsu. That's what it was in my days when I first started. Nowadays, a kid can take his cell phone.

Starting point is 01:06:06 Oh, you want to learn that? You want to learn that on bar? Oh, you look online. That's why you guys... Who do you think is doing it? Right. By the way, did you see the breaking news? Did you see what just happened right now?

Starting point is 01:06:19 If you want to pull this up, crazy, because everybody's asking what your thoughts are on this. MMA World React Charles Orville misses misses weight being stripped of UFC title. No way. Yeah, this just literally happened 20 minutes ago. Go down to read the article, go a little lower so we can read the whole thing, make it a little bit bigger. Charles O'Reilly is no longer UFC lightweight champion after losing about all with the

Starting point is 01:06:40 scale, do Bronx failed to make championship weight for five, UFC 1.2.3, 74. Many men title against Justin Gady, Gagee, coming in 155.5 on two separate attempts, half a pound over the limit, just a freaking half a pound, shortly after second attempt, it was announced that the lightweight title is vacated and only Gagee is eligible to win in Saturday. This is not the first time Olivera has had a difficulty at scale,

Starting point is 01:07:06 though his previous misses came when he was competing at a featherweight, 155 pounds. He has won 10 straight fights at light, we captured UFC title to KO. How disappointing is this to lose it this way? Yeah, but it is disappointed, but we don't know the old story. That's just the art that I'm thinking about.

Starting point is 01:07:23 What else could be? Well, maybe got sick, maybe got food poisoning. You know what I mean? There's a lot of X factor. We don't, sometimes we're attempt to judge something when we see the ad line, but we don't know the, I think it's sometimes, we don't know the old story. It could be just a lack of professionalism.

Starting point is 01:07:42 You know, it could be, but you know, I have to wait to have more data on what happened, you know, sometime. I'm under the impression that, yes, it sucks, you know, like, especially if you're just engaged, you're opening it doesn't make way, it's not fair. But I think in this situation might be more damageable for olive oil, because that's mean, if you miss weight, that's mean, you try to really make way, you push yourself to the limit of the hydration so maybe his body will be more messed up

Starting point is 01:08:10 especially if it goes a few more round that it should be you know what I mean if the fight goes longer it might have a very negative effect on his performance. By the way, what was the, if you, you, if everybody, if both of them made their wait, who did you have winning this fight? I think it was very close. I think I would have gone with Gachi. You would have gone to get it. Yeah, I go against the odds. I think so. I know Justin Gachi a little bit, so I'm biased a little bit, but the reason why is Recently Oliver attempt to have changed a little bit of his style of fighting He seems to fall in love a lot with Is striking, you know what I mean? And he's a great striker, but

Starting point is 01:08:55 Almost got a car with Chandler. Yes exactly, but but that's why so I think is his main chance of winning the fight the best The smartest with to win that fight against Gachi would be to take Gachi out of his conference on him. If he does that, it's goodbye, it's finished. But I think I'm under the impression that sometimes he gets caught in this emotion that he wants to trade, you know, strike for strike. You know, I don't know if it's for the fans

Starting point is 01:09:22 or if you just forgot his game plan. He did that as a last few recent fight and I'm under the impression that if he does that with Justin Gage, it's a bad idea. It's like flipping a coin, you know, you don't want to make the fight a coin to us, you know what I mean, especially if you know there's a specific area that you can bait your opponent, you want to go there, you don't want to make the fight that... Let me ask you, what does Dana Wai do now? What does he do last minute? I mean, this is a tough place to be,

Starting point is 01:09:49 because he can't replace that fight. It's done, right? That fight is off, so the main fight becomes Chandler Ferguson, is that what happens? Is the next card just comes up, meaning... Does the next fight just come up as a main fight? I think it stays the same as just come up as a main fight? I know I think the I think it stays the same as just a fight one if if

Starting point is 01:10:14 Oliver Oliver wins it won't be he won't be so the fight still gonna happen I think so I think so normally what they do is is they keep the fight But if Oliver Rowan is not winning the belt Even if he's still champion is the belt is out now because he didn't make way but but but but just and also doesn't get the belt, even if he's still champion, the belt is out now because he didn't make way. But Justin also doesn't get the belt. No, Justin do get the belt. If he wins, he has the belt. Yes, he do. No, no, but if Charles win,

Starting point is 01:10:34 if Charles when he doesn't get the belt, but Justin also doesn't get the belt. No, Justin, if Justin wins, he will become champion. I get it, but if Charles wins, Justin doesn't become the champion. The belt is out that Charles doesn't have it. No, no, nobody is champion. It's vacant.

Starting point is 01:10:48 It's called vacant, yeah. Wow. So it's a big punishment, but it's, you know, we're at half a pound. Yeah, half a pound. And also depending where you fight, normally there's a certain percentage of your purse, of your show, show purse, because normally most fighters they get paid for showing, for just show up, and for the win.

Starting point is 01:11:09 So for your show purse normally, which is not all the time, but depending what is your contract, could be like half of your purse goes, like maybe not half, but like maybe 30% of half of your purse goes to your own. This is gonna be such a layman's question, but I feel bad for the guy, half a poundman's question, but I feel bad for the guy.

Starting point is 01:11:25 Half a pound, like, that sucks. I feel bad for any athlete. Do you feel bad for the guy? No, I do not feel bad for the guy. It's your duty, your responsibility to be in weight, to be on the dot. Sometimes though, there are things that you don't control. Maybe the scale that he was using is messed up.

Starting point is 01:11:45 Maybe he got sick that week and he decided to, you know, for X-Risna and I shit, I'm still taking the fight, you know, we all have done it in the past, you know what I mean? Maybe you don't feel bad for this guy. I don't feel bad, but until we have more data on the situation, we'll see more of what was, it was to blame, you know. What's the reaction been?

Starting point is 01:12:11 Is Twitter reacting to this or no? Like have you seen what folks are saying? Justin said. What did he say? Let me see. Poor bastard's still cutting. I'm back at 65 while he's dying. He better make it.

Starting point is 01:12:22 He has five minutes. He had already put on 10 pounds after he made weight Justin did you know again 10 pound. Let's see what Justin looks like He already put on 10 pounds. Yeah I'm back to think to see Conor McGregor and his bitch on the main room. So this is wait wow This is this is, it'd be interesting to see what happens. I think because this was, this was one

Starting point is 01:12:49 a lot of people were looking forward to. In the furthest fight with Chandler, who do you think is gonna take that one? Shoot, I don't know, we'll take it, but I can tell you, that's basically speaking, I believe if it's a short fight, if it's finished in the first round, it's because of Chandler, but if it goes past the first, maybe the second round, it's going to be Ferguson, I believe.

Starting point is 01:13:13 I don't know a lot of fights I've seen with Chandler where I don't appreciate the first round. Yeah, it's so hard. He almost took everybody out. So explosive, but Ferguson is so tough. Man, his lead is armed broke against Oliver Roy. It's crazy. Sometimes it's hard to watch, man.

Starting point is 01:13:30 I just hope sometimes, I just hope on the human side that nobody get hurt badly and the best men win. When you say it's hard to watch, that particular fight or UFC fights in general. No, no, no, that particular fight, I remember Ferguson, when he fought Olivero, he let his arm broke. I'm like, man, it was hard to watch. You know, it was completely hyper extended.

Starting point is 01:13:53 You saw the joint bending on the other side. I mean, it's hard to watch for me. I mean, for me, the way I see it, it's a sport. And we all do that to make a living and it's hard to watch when you see guys that get punished very hard after they go back to their lives or when they're watching families. I watch it but I don't watch all the fights. I watch only the guys.

Starting point is 01:14:18 Who do you enjoy watching? Like this. This card, it's amazing. It's going to be very stack. I love it. I like, Cabyb is retarded, but I like Wokanevsky, I like Olivero, I like Kamaru Usman, all the champion, Francis and Gennu, Sergei Lgan, all the guys.

Starting point is 01:14:36 Did you like watching Conor Fight when he was... Oh yeah, I love it, I love Conor because he brings a certain element of emotion to it that nobody really is able to do that same level. Do you think he'll be a champion? You think he'll get back to the top again? He could, but it's gonna be hard, man. I mean, he's on a losing straight now.

Starting point is 01:14:56 I mean, he lost his last three fights. He can definitely do it, but I think, you know, it's hard to go to the buffet when you're already eight before. Let me just kind of put things in perspective. Let me just put you in perspective. Your career earnings, UFC, I just searched it seven million dollars. That about right? Career earnings?

Starting point is 01:15:19 Not sponsorships outside. No, I did a lot more. What did UFC pay you? I did a lot more. The thing is that people don't know is we have a show purse. Yeah. Like the way my contract was at a show purse, at a winning purse, but I also, when I used to fight back in the day, I had the percentage of the paper view buys.

Starting point is 01:15:39 Oh no shit. It was part, yeah, of course. It was part of my contract. Nowadays I think it's different because the UFC's, I think, give that right to ESPN. And I don't know for how long it is, so the fighters, it's sad, because a lot of them, they don't have as much power. So you made more money back in the days than today?

Starting point is 01:15:55 I think, I think, because of the infrastructure of how it was made. I'm sure. I think the fighters had more power before. So I'm very lucky to have been competing during that era of time. You know, Conor McGregor obviously is the one that I think made the biggest herning in the sport because he touched the pay per views. I think I don't have the statistic in front of me, but I know like Ronda Rousey is there too. She was amazing, she made it great for herself in terms of gain.

Starting point is 01:16:28 I think Brock Lesnar is there, could be, but you know what I mean? And just very, felt very fortunate to have competed during that era of time. If I would have done it during Royce Gracie, Mark Oldman, it was terrible. They were underpaid like so bad.

Starting point is 01:16:43 And if it's now, problem is they have power, but they don't have as much power as we used to have when we could touch the piece of the pie. You know what I mean? Some fighter does, but I don't think they have as much leverage in negotiation. It's kind of sad. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:17:00 Do you think, like, if you look at what's evolved within the UFC world, P, these always been a topic of discussion. People were throwing it, you know, left and right. Was it more of a topic of discussion early on the early, early days, or you kind of got away with it back at the then? Was it more than 2000?

Starting point is 01:17:17 Was it, it was a topic of discussion all the time, but the thing is it was so much in your face that for me it wasn't, it wasn't insult. You know what I mean? Like, I, I, it's still, there's still a problem. We're not gonna lie. There's still a problem. There's still, you know, that, it's, there's still a, there's still a problem. There was always B, but it's much better now. Now they're testing the fighters, but there's still ways that you can cheat. It's kind of easy, you know, way to cheat in a way, you know what I mean? We all have a card that we fill up that we, it's called a wear-about. You tell them where you are and every time you, you can lie on that, that wear-about.

Starting point is 01:17:59 You can't or you can't. No, no, you can't. You can lie. And if they show up to test you, they say, they're gonna ring you and say, hey, where they're to test you, where are you? You know what I mean? And you can't, you know what I mean? You just have to don't, I think it's trees, two or three, tree strike you can have. So, you know what I mean? The guys that does use performance enhancing drugs, they have ways of, you know, the system

Starting point is 01:18:23 also could be corrupted sometime, you know what I mean? When there is money involved, there is always corruption a little bit. So it's much better than it used to be, but it's not perfect, but it's much better, you know. They did a good job. Well, the concept of fighter pay, that's something we've been discussing pretty openly. We had Francis Nagano right here. You've interviewed Dustin Porier. We've had sugar, reshaut Evans in here. You've interviewed Dustin Porier. We've had sugar, reshout,

Starting point is 01:18:46 Evans in here. You've been on Rogan. We've had these discussions on fighter pay. You've broke down the EBITDA of what UFC is, but you're saying that fighter pay today could be better or what are your thoughts on that? Oh yeah, it could be better, 100%. It could be better. It could always be better. We are like, I feel the baseball player or hockey, I know hockey because I'm from Canada, in the days that they were on the pay. Before they had the union to protect them, it's the same thing in fighting. One day, there will be a union to protect fighters. It has to be, it doesn't make sense. Very interesting concept right there, because there's the,

Starting point is 01:19:30 you know, NFLPA, there's the NBA, they've got their union, the baseball, why is there no union in the UFC fighting? Well, everybody wants to be in control, and I think it's, it's when there's money, there's always a conflict and stuff, you know, and that's why they have been some organization that I've tried to do it, but it was conflicting with others, and that's very unfortunate. The reason of why they want to do it, it's great. It's a great reason, you know, it's a very good one. I think it will happen one day, 100%.

Starting point is 01:20:08 And very often it's funny, I have some of the, some of the parent they come with their kids, they're like, hey, George, this is my son. He's the future world champion of USC. What advice would you give him? I tell the kid, I say,

Starting point is 01:20:20 you're doing well at school, stay at school. Yeah, train if you want, you know what I mean? Train, you know, do it. And do it, but don't put all your eggs in the same basket thinking that you're gonna make it. Because statistically, you're going against the odds. Big time is one guy on maybe 100,000, maybe even more. You know, and I'm not talking about fighting, I'm talking about basket ball, hockey, same thing.

Starting point is 01:20:43 Same thing, fighting is even worse because it talking about basketball, hockey, same thing, same thing. Fighting is even worse because you get punched in the head, you know, like American football is very, very bad too. So when I sit, the kids, yeah, try to make it, but don't give up school, don't give up school because at least if you're 30 years old or late 20s and you find out that you cannot make it for X reason, if you don't have education that you have nothing that you can fall back into, but if you do have education at least you have an assurance. You know what I mean? It's very important, very, very important. I see in the gym where I train,

Starting point is 01:21:18 it's one of the places I love to go because it's very therapeutic for me. I love it. I love the science to go train, but it's very sad. Would you have liked it if somebody gave you that advice when you were 14? Yes. People give me that advice. But, but, but, but, but, do you, do you, how did you take you when you were 14 when somebody said that to you? I took it. I, I, I listen. I, I stopped school. I stopped. I was a university in Kinesiology, and I stopped it when I had my first title shut. And I told my parent, because my parent always I was working like crazy, like two, three job studying at school in part time and in the same time. And I was like, what's the point? I was like, what's the point?

Starting point is 01:21:50 I was like, what's the point? I was like, what's the point? I was like, what's the point? I was like, what's the point? I was like, what's the point? I was like, what's the point? I was like, what's the point? I was like, what's the point? I had my first title shot at the time, I was working like crazy, I had like two, three job,

Starting point is 01:22:06 studying at school in part time and in the same time. And I wanted to achieve my dream was to become a world champion. When I fought Matt Hughes, before I fought Matt Hughes the first time, a few months before I told my parents, I say is it okay if I stop this session and I go back, if things doesn't turn out,

Starting point is 01:22:23 I go back next session. Because if I miss this opportunity, it's my dream to accomplish that to become champion. I have to train full time to put all my, the chance on my side and my parents says, yes, go for it, you know. And the reality is a lot of the people when I go training the gym, they come to me

Starting point is 01:22:43 and they want to have advice from me. They say, George, what should I do? And sometimes I'm like, oh yeah, when you chore your punch, I give them technical advice, but the real advice, sometimes I should give them, but I cannot do it because they're gonna think of me being an arrogant prick. I should tell them, I say, hey, Mr. X, you're 30, three years old, you've been losing

Starting point is 01:23:04 your last three fights. It's sad to, I'm sad to announce you that you're not gonna make it. You're not gonna go when you have to see. And even if you make it, your best years are behind you. You know, it's finished. You should keep training, but find yourself a real job, you know, like a real goal in life.

Starting point is 01:23:22 And it's sad because I will see their dream Shattered on and their eyes and I don't want that me that person that that That tell them that and it's very sad because It's a movie that I've seen many time is a very very bad ending You're gonna finish physically broken and and financially broken as well, you know what I mean? It's very sad. We only talk about the people that makes it, but there's a lot, a lot more people that does not make it. The odds are against you.

Starting point is 01:23:54 It's the reason why I was able to make it. It's, yeah, people say you work hard. I work hard, but the stars were aligned. I was lucky and fortunate enough to meet the right person at the right time, the path was open for me, I made it. You know, maybe if one of these little things changes, I would never have made it. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:24:15 You don't know, maybe you can have a car accident and get hit and never be able to compete or never come back the same. I had an ACL tear, and remember, it was about 10 years ago, I had an ACL tear. I remember it was about 10 years ago. I had an ACL tear. The doctor told me he said, you know, George, if you would have had the same injury a few years back, it would be a carer ending. So sometimes life, the line is so, so tiny. You know what I mean? It's one thing and fluency, another thing and this, you know what I mean? The odds one thing in fluency, another thing in this.

Starting point is 01:24:45 You know what I mean? The odds are against you, so you need to have a natural rinse. It's a patient, you know. As somebody who's from Canada, what do you think about Justin Trudeau and what's been happened with Canada the last couple of years? I think it's, man, it's, for me, I've been traveling and it's, I always been traveling and it's...

Starting point is 01:25:05 I always felt bad when I go home and everything is closed. The business are closed and I think they were more conservative in a way that they wanted to protect people, but I don't think if it was... I don't know if it was a great choice, you know what I mean? Because I see... I don't have the test sick in front confirm me, but I see the world around me. But I, and from what I've seen, what I can judge is the, like people here, business-wise, they're more happy than they were, they are back home during the, during the pandemic, you know, I see more happiness here. Maybe it's because I don't live here,

Starting point is 01:25:42 but I come very often than back home, you know? South Florida or towards Miami? You're saying Florida, Texas, even in the UK, everywhere I go, the bit of business as maybe not as collapse as much, you know what I mean? So fair to say that just and true those policies have not been beneficial to the people of Canada. Maybe it has been beneficial for protecting lives, I guess, health, but not maybe for business. You know what I mean? It's hard to, you know, it's, depending on how you see it, you know, and depend, depend what you, you support the most.

Starting point is 01:26:16 You know, I'm more a guy in my life, I've taken risk in my life. I'm more a guy that take risk, you know, so maybe me, I would go more towards a risk taking politic, like a solution. Because I'm more willing to take risk that's part of my personality. But maybe someone who's more conservative, who's afraid, he will be more on the other side. Since your retire for the last three or four years, have you found yourself gravitating more towards politics, towards business, towards sports in general? Like where have you actually spent your time focusing on? Transform myself.

Starting point is 01:26:56 I've been taking acting classes. It's been more than four years now. I was a very fortunate ad opportunities that falcon in the winter soldiers on Disney+. I had just finished shooting a movie in UK now. I was at a small roles. So I work on my acting skills. It's a lot of fun.

Starting point is 01:27:19 Yeah, and I have a more of an entrepreneur now. I'm helping promoting fitness equipment that we call base block that sells online, a line of food supplement as well, water from heart and soil, it's a heart and liver. So my life changed more towards that side. How are your acting skills right now? Why is getting it's much better than it used to be?

Starting point is 01:27:43 And acting is like fighting. It takes a lot of practice. And I was acting all my life. Like I said, I was afraid before every fight. But when you see me come out, I look like I'm excited to be there. And I was acting, putting on an act. And same thing in acting and fighting, you rehearse.

Starting point is 01:28:02 It's a lot of rehearsing. But in fighting, when you practice, a lot of situationing. But in fighting, when you practice a lot of situation that can happen in a fight, you find out quickly enough that when you're in a fight, your opponent is never as good as you think he was and he's never as bad. He's always different. Same thing in acting, you can rehearse a scene as much as you want, but when you get on set, the background might be different. The reaction of the actor with who you're playing might be different. So you have to be, who you playing, might be different. So you have to be like, Bruce Lee said,

Starting point is 01:28:27 be like water ready to adapt. I think the best actor and the best athlete are the ones that can adapt the best. Be water. Be water, my friend. That's exciting to see you go in that direction. Let's do a couple of colors here. Guys, I need to go use a restroom.

Starting point is 01:28:42 Yes, I drink too much water. You don't. So sorry, I'm a person. I might be the first one that ever do it. No, no, you're the fourth. Give me, give me, he's the part of the song. It's up. I drink too much water.

Starting point is 01:28:56 Give me 30 seconds. I'm gonna speed water. I'm gonna pee. Go for it. Can we, can we set him up? Make sure there's a bathroom available. Man, I hold by ourselves. I'm gonna.

Starting point is 01:29:04 Listen, you have no idea how cool it is. Even the fighters sure there's a bathroom available. I hold myself on the floor. You get the whole thing. Listen, you have no idea how cool it is. Even the fighters gotta use a bathroom. We've had, I think four or five people in total become officially members of the soy boy mafia and have to use, but you kicked it off. You started the whole tradition. Then it was the biz, though.

Starting point is 01:29:20 So would you think about some of the stuff he was talking about? I'd say I got goosebumps when he talked about when he saw the guy, the homeless guy, Street. And he talked about the father, his father going to the guy's house because he read it on him, what have you. And he saw what the kid was truly dealing with, a drunk abuse of father. And that was the reason that he was lashing out with him on the bus.

Starting point is 01:29:46 He's a deep dude, man. And we talked about this at the beginning. He's not just a talk guy. The guy's into AI. He's into dinosaurs. He's into the most interesting things. He's not a regular guy. The challenge, sometimes you see a person

Starting point is 01:30:03 that makes it to the highest level. And then at that point, you know, the challenge that becomes when, you know, you're talking to the kids are coming up to them, hey, you know this is like, hey, focus on schools and focus on do this. It becomes, it becomes, you, I read a book one time that says,

Starting point is 01:30:22 about guilt, never feel guilty about the price others have to pay to win at the highest level Never feel guilty about the highest price everybody else has to pay to win at the highest level, right? Sometimes as a parent or as a businessman or somebody that gives your best like shit, man I know how much money how much you need to put into it You don't want to see another person have to put that kind of sacrifice into it. Anyways, uh, uh, so, no, it's all good. It's all good. If we got the colors, let's get the colors in.

Starting point is 01:30:51 If they're ready, John, if you got colors, we're ready here. I haven't eaten anything today except some little fruit and I drink too much water. I guess it's the, the water that we don't have. Whatever you want, George. All right. We have Chase on the phone. Perfect. Chase. How you doing? We can barely hear you, buddy.

Starting point is 01:31:10 So whatever you're doing, you just kind of left us for second. Still can't hear you. John, maybe let's get to the next caller for somebody that we can hear. Go ahead, Johnny. Stand by. Sure. Yeah, looks like we're not getting. You got the next one. They're on is just that the audio is pretty low. Yeah,

Starting point is 01:31:40 something wrong with the audio. Just keep it moving. Okay, you fought Carl Parisian. How was that when you fought Karl? Karl was a badass coming up. He was fun to watch. Oh yeah, he, uh, man, it was my first fight in UFC and man, I was so excited to be there at the time, but I was so scared in the same time.

Starting point is 01:32:00 I'm saying it's, I'm saying it's excited because that's the word that we use, but in reality, it's scared. I was scared. And I know that's the word that we use, but in reality it's scared. I was scared. And I know it's Armenian, I wrote Parisian. And he had one crazy good weapon that we knew. It was this Kimura. Kimura.

Starting point is 01:32:18 Yes, the Kimura is a log that you do. You can break the rotator of the shoulder. It is so good with that particular move that everybody knows that he's good at it, but nobody is able to stop him. And I knew going into that fight that was his main, like the bread is bread and butter. And I got cut and it's Kimura in that fight,

Starting point is 01:32:37 but I was able to get out, likely for me, it was a close call. That was an incredible fight. But who's in your top five? Nelson Rodriguez Jr. just asked, who's your top five? If you were the name to top five and you know, the greatest of all time, who do you have on that list? I think the number one for me is Roy's Gracie because of course, if you put him in the octagon right now, you would have you would not have do so well because sport has changed after but for his time I think for me was the greatest of all time things that you have done will never be done again

Starting point is 01:33:10 I mean maybe not of my living. I think you can put a Dimitrius Johnson you can put Mark Coleman probably Can put John Jones of of course, Anderson Silva, these guys. Yeah, Mark Coleman. Yeah, yeah, I think so. I love, I used to love them. When he won the Pride Grand Prix at the time in Japan,

Starting point is 01:33:34 it was the best of the best of the best. The natural follow up to that is, because if you, it's to remove your ego from the situation, right? GSP, everyone would put you in their top five. Everybody, do you feel uncomfortable putting yourself on that list? No, no, no, I understand.

Starting point is 01:33:49 I'm in the list, but the grace of all time, it depends. It varies, it's a very subjective thing. The thing is, in a sport like fighting, it's very subjective. Who's better, Ali or Tyson? Who's better, you know what I mean? In fighting, we cannot measure performance. However, if I ask you, who's the fastest printer,

Starting point is 01:34:10 you're gonna have to tell me that it is, you say about, there's no choice. You know why? Because we can measure. Same thing in lifting, the sport that you have an instrument of measure, you have to go with the result. It's written. And fighting is different. And we

Starting point is 01:34:27 often feel sometimes that the fighters of the past are better than the one today very often. But I think it's illogical to think that way. And as hard and painful it is for me because I retire, I believe the fighters of today are better than the one of yesterday, but the fighter tomorrow of the future will be even better. So the real goat is not even born yet. And it's not because the guys are better. It's because they are standing on shoulders of giant. They benefit, they haven't head start because they learn from their predecessor, the technology,

Starting point is 01:35:04 the stuff. We just talk about how you can learn from a cellphone nowadays. It's crazy. I can learn from, with a cellphone, jujitsu moves. I couldn't do that back in a day. I had to go to, from Montreal to drive to New York to learn these skills, you know what I mean? So things are different. So if I would take Roy's Gracie and put him, putting him today with the technology, the knowledge that he would benefit, maybe it would be just as good or maybe better than anybody here in the present day, you know, but there is no way to find out. By the way, last topic here before we wrap up with the direction UFC is going. When you see Kobe, Mazvedal, Counter, Dustin, some of the smack talking ways that's going on,

Starting point is 01:35:49 how they talk trash to each other. Part of it is a show. Is there a line one shouldn't cross when it comes onto smack talking? Because when you guys were doing, who was the biggest smack talker when you were in your 20s? Who would you say was the biggest smack talker? Would you say maybe it wasn't even in your class?

Starting point is 01:36:07 Was there anybody that they said, this guy wouldn't stop talking trash nonstop? This is an interesting question that you brings. For me, I know that it's a mental warfare, especially in fighting because we don't play games. The outcome of a loss or a win, it can change a life. And I'm not talking about physical injuries. I'm talking about money.

Starting point is 01:36:31 You win a lot more money and you gain a lot more opportunities if you win than if you lose. It's crazy. The outcome is a profound effect on the individual and is surrounding. And the profound effect on an individual is surrounding. Therefore, knowing this, there is no line to cross. And I know some fighter will cross that line. Me, you can say whatever you want to me, maybe because of my experience with bullying,

Starting point is 01:36:57 I'm used to put on a mask and a shield on me. So it comes and it deflects or it goes to one here and it goes out. No problem. However, if you start talking shit or it goes to one here and it goes out. No problem. However, if you start talking shit about my family, now it's a different problem. So that's why I knowing this about myself, I always deflected family question like stuff like, oh, like father or like, like everything family, I don't talk about it. Nobody knows about me. Is the thing that I'm the most proud of, but is my treasure. And I'm in a fighting game, it's a different game,

Starting point is 01:37:31 basketball game. And people will try to make you the real, they try to make you lose your mind. And I can give you an example of that sugar-relentored against Roberto Durán, when they fought in Montreal, I believe that sugar-re-lanored is a much better boxer than Roberto Durán. I mean, at this level, it's very close,

Starting point is 01:37:54 but I believe Leonard is better, but when they fought in Montreal, Durán insulted the wife of a sugar-re-lanored, Leonard goes crazy. He wanted to show that he's a man, is stood up and he changed away fought because he became emotional When Conor McGregor won the first fight against Jose Aldo same thing He became Jose Aldo become emotional. He wanted to he became an irage try to give him He never did that he leap forward like, try to knock him out with one punch. McGregor is an amazing counter-puncher.

Starting point is 01:38:27 12 seconds left. Boom. Finish. Same thing with Kabib, when Conor McGregor tried to do the same thing with Kabib talking. What is religion? Yes, his religion is that and stuff like that. So some fighter will cross that line.

Starting point is 01:38:41 That's why I never expose my family, never. Every interview, you know, I always deflected deflected deflected. What would make the extra get into your skin? Nick was a member that one time you guys had an exchange with that guy and said, what are you talking about? They don't have the information. They don't have the data to get under and ask him. They cannot give it. I never make that available to them. I never make that. I never showcase this part of my life because it's the part of my life

Starting point is 01:39:08 that I'm the most proud of. It's my treasure that I'm talking about all my achievement, my career is this is nothing. But I never expose this because it's to protect me. Because I'm in that business, it's a hard business and it's hardcore business, but I don't want that part of me being exposed. George, craze question. So your record is what?

Starting point is 01:39:29 26 and two, 26 and two are 28 and two at the end. It's one of those two, right? Yeah, it's hard to, I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm so sorry, I mean. But it's crazy as both of the losses, you came back and I think you beat Matt two or three times and you beat Mavi's, Sarah.

Starting point is 01:39:42 But the question is the following, say those fights were no gloves and it was in the street with the same exact 28 fights. Would your record still be 26 and two or? Would be better, would be much better. You think so? 100%. Can you tell me why?

Starting point is 01:39:58 As far as in street fight, I have a lot of experience in street fight. I've been in many street fight when I was young, and it's the same thing. It's about the element of surprise. If you have the element of, if you're the aggressor, you do not have the element of surprise. And street fight is different and fighting. And have a lot of experience. If you're the nice guy, bring a nice guy, give you a head start. Because in street fight, when you feel the eat rising, you have the element of surprise to start and do this. And fighting, if you have the element of surprise, it's a huge advantage.

Starting point is 01:40:31 So your record would have been better then. 100% first. And I also would be very, very good because of my style of fighting. I was very good. Every time you start, every time the round ends, you have to start, you know, like another fight, you know. Yeah, I was always better at starting very strong, but sometimes what breaks the momentum is the round,

Starting point is 01:40:53 then they restart again, you know what I mean? So you would have preferred 10 minute rounds and five minute. I would prefer at 25 minute round. Straight on. I think that's how I should be great. I think there is a wide there is round.. I think there is a why there is around and I think there is a why there is around is because to make the sport legal they needed to make it look a little bit like boxing

Starting point is 01:41:13 yeah if you want to see who's the best man let them fight let them fight with no round and I think that would be you know there's a different way of judging it but that's how it should have what's What's the surprise move that you would use? You're saying that, I mean, maybe you can't tell it, but... Jump, but... But you're saying you'd be better because the element of surprise...

Starting point is 01:41:32 Yeah, in a street fight, but in a street fight, it never start with a referee that, you know what I mean? Like this, but in the street, yeah, in a street fight, that's why, yeah, the limit of so right, but I was very good at knowing when I felt the eat rising. Yeah, I was, you were the first one.

Starting point is 01:41:52 And you're saying when people were talking trash, or you think they were gonna hit you, and you're like the quiet guy back. Exactly, but very often when I was in school yard, it was not only one guy after me, it was like two, three guys, they were older than me. So how were they picking on you so much? What were you doing when you're in?

Starting point is 01:42:09 That was not a cool guy, guys. I was, yeah, before we wrap up, this is your last chance for Super Chat. A bunch of you guys have already done. We're about to do the raffle in three minutes. If you do want to participate in the raffle and get your name in there, go ahead and put it in there for some of you guys that are wondering about Charles Olivera.

Starting point is 01:42:24 We already talked about that earlier. And a bunch of other topics in regards to Cabeep at the beginning, we talked about how much it would take to get him in the ring with Cabeep. You're going to need to go back and watch exactly what the answer to that was. Michael Bissbing was also one that was good at getting under people's skin. Right? Very good. Yes. Somebody said here, he imitated you. Do you know how to imitate him? You bloody bastard! What a prick!

Starting point is 01:42:53 I was with Michael Biss being quite recently. I was in Manchester, we had a drink together. It was fun. Yeah, it was like a movie or a documentary come out about his life where his eyes, it's very good. It's very good. And he's a lot of fun to hang out with. I mean, yeah, yeah, I mean, a lot of stuff has been said, but behind all this fuguese

Starting point is 01:43:17 things, there's a human. And I always have a good time catching up with some of my old adversaries. Is there anybody you guys don't get along till today or know everybody else? There is nobody today. There is absolutely nobody that I've fought. That if I, let's say I would drive my car and I would see them on the side side having a problem, I would stop for every one of them. You have no beef.

Starting point is 01:43:39 No beef wouldn't. And I don't think anybody has beef with me. I don't think so. I, all the so. I had all the stuff that I've been said and done, even if it was very edgy, it was only for business. For me, it's not personal. So the next trip is you got to take a trip to Stockton, California. Even like the others, I wish them the best of luck and everything. I don't hold any grudge, nothing. I really do. I really wish him.

Starting point is 01:44:05 I hope if he comes, the size to come back and he did last time, it didn't look good, but I hope if he does it for the right reason, he has the motivation. I wish him the best. I wish him the title. I love watching those guys fight. Was anybody when you were coming up, you watch fight that you said, dude, this guy had the goodies to become very, very great. Like was there anyone that you felt we never saw the best of them

Starting point is 01:44:27 when he was coming up, same error as you? There's a lot of guys, a lot of guys I've seen, especially in the gym that are, they were very talented, very good, but they never made it because they, they, I don't know if it's mentally, they couldn't pull the trigger. They, there's a lot of these guys, like you just talk about there's a lot of these guys. So that's why it's like a funnel. There's so many guys that ask potential, but when you narrow it down,

Starting point is 01:44:52 it's the only one that made it. Sometimes the stars are just allowing better for one guy. I don't know, I'm, you know, I believe that people are like, oh yeah, you work hard, but you made your, yes, but it's not necessarily true. I don't agree with that 100%.

Starting point is 01:45:06 I believe there's a lot of, I believe in the causality. I believe there is cause and effect and I believe are ignorance. Sometimes made it in a way that we call certain things chances, but I don't believe there is chances. I believe it's, there's always a cause. And by definition, if there is a cause, there is no free will in a way. It's kind of weird to think about it, but that's almost almost like we got a our own UFC philosopher on our head. I tell Jesus. He's deep.

Starting point is 01:45:33 What's the story with dinosaurs? Why do you like dinosaurs? I like dinosaurs. I always been fascinated by dinosaurs because when I was young I was drawing monster and what looks the most like a monster is a dinosaurs and and I believe if you know about the past it helps you understand the future and sometimes helps you predict the future you know what I mean if you know about the past it helps you understand the present and helps you sometimes predict the future. Well you know we are standing on the shoulders of giant dinosaurs. I don't know if you can. Florida.

Starting point is 01:46:07 Is that what it was? T-Rex, Florida. I have one quick question. One guy, I'm obsessed with this guy. T-Rex, we're not in Florida. We're in the West part of that. He's teasing you. He's trying to have what we are standing on.

Starting point is 01:46:19 The shoulders of giant dinosaurs. Yeah. In general, but I have one guy that I'm obsessed with these days. I want to get your thoughts on this guy, Patty the Batty Pimbley. What are your thoughts on this guy? Yeah. I met him briefly in England in Manchester too.

Starting point is 01:46:32 Yeah. He's very charismatic. Yeah. He's good. He's a, to be a successful, to be successful in this business of fighting, you need to be skilled, but more than that, you need to be charismatic. And in order to be charismatic,

Starting point is 01:46:47 a lot of guys feel that they need to try to talk to imitate Cardinal McGregor, but you don't have to do that. I sold a lot of paper review because I was just authentic to who I am. And I think Paddy the Betty is very authentic. I think he's a very charismatic guy. He's got a weird style.

Starting point is 01:47:03 I really enjoy watching him fight. And I think he's gonna be a, he's still a star, but he's gonna be even more of a big joy. You know what I mean? I think the sky is the limit for him. And I think he is being authentic. I don't think it's an act. No, it's not an act, but there's guys that you could clearly see it's an act.

Starting point is 01:47:18 It's unfortunate because they shoot themselves in the foot when they do that, you know? Yeah, because it doesn't work for them. It doesn't work for them. And to be... It's gotta be natural. It needs do that, you know. Yeah. Yeah, cause it doesn't work for them. It doesn't work for them. Yeah. And to be, it's gotta be natural. It needs to be like you are, like, and it's sometimes it's not necessarily malicious,

Starting point is 01:47:31 in a malicious way. We all do this for the best of our own interests. And some guys they will do this because they know that's the best way they can help themselves to achieve what they want to achieve. Yeah. You know what I mean? I don't see it necessarily in a malicious way. the best way they can help themselves to achieve what they want to achieve. You know what I mean? I don't see it necessarily in a malicious way. Even like, you see, like sometimes Conor McGregor will say stuff that are very

Starting point is 01:47:52 agi. I mean, for me, it's, you know, it could become personal because you will attack your personal life, but it's, it's, it's business in a way. You know what I mean? Last question, the UFC, who could replace Danyl White? I've asked this question from quite a few different people. Just curious, you know what your thoughts on this? Man, I don't think, I mean, everybody can give me... Some Daniel Cormier, he said Daniel couldn't do my job,

Starting point is 01:48:18 but who do you think could replace Danyl? I don't think nobody can replace Danyl White. I don't think so. I mean, to be as good as the white was, I think someone can come and fill the hole. Maybe not be like the white, be better at certain things that the white, maybe sometimes the white is not very ziplomatic, so it could be more diplomatic,

Starting point is 01:48:41 but maybe to be a promoter, to be intense as unique as theo White, it's only one guy as Dano White. It doesn't mean his job cannot be taken and he cannot be replaced. I think everybody can be replaced. But nobody, everybody is unique and everybody has a different unique personality. Dano White is very charismatic. He's in the unique category. Yes. Let's do the raffle. Okay, Tyler, if we're ready,

Starting point is 01:49:08 we got a bunch of guys that did 100% of this is going to go to George S&P or foundation. One person's going to get this. Start it. Set this up for success. What's going to happen right now? Someone's going to get a signed button and a glove by GSP. Okay. Is that it or is it gonna go to zuniga? Who is it? Jake Carlin. Carlin. Congratulations to you, Jake Carlin. Send us an email, put the information there. You're gonna get this glove being sent to you. Congrats to you. This was great GSP. What a great story you got. It's been a pleasure having you on, man. I've really enjoyed it and

Starting point is 01:49:43 Thank you. Thank you for the your parts and tea guys. Yes, final thoughts. If guys want to find you, you know, is there any project you're working on right now? You want to share with people I think that got something going on with Warrior? Yeah, maybe sure. Maybe sure some of the stuff you got coming up.

Starting point is 01:49:55 Yeah, I'm a people that are interesting investigating about animal-based diet. I mean, I have a line of supplement with heart and soil. It's called Warrior line. It with heart and soil. It's called water line. It's heart and liver that has been disaccated in a process called dry freeze. And it's great for, because in the Western part of the world, we don't really eat organs.

Starting point is 01:50:15 But if you go see how untarget her tribe lives, that's the first thing they go for when they kill an animal. So it's very interesting. Anyway, this could help a lot of people and also I'm with fitness equipment, the bass blocks, the pro line. So you can go check it out online. Let's put the link below.

Starting point is 01:50:34 Let's find the link and let's put the link below for people to be able to get it. GSP, thank you so much for coming on. And this was a blast. Appreciate you, buddy. Take everybody. We don't have anything till next week. Do we have potu?

Starting point is 01:50:44 Yes, Tuesday morning. Tuesday morning. We'll do potu with you. Take your guys. Bye bye. Bye bye. Bye bye.

PBD Podcast - MMA Legend Georges St. Pierre | PBD Podcast | EP 154

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