PBD Podcast - Nic McKinley | PBD Podcast | EP 114 |

Episode Date: January 12, 2022

In this epsiode, Patrick Bet-David sits down with Nic McKinley. Along with the reveal of our NEW studio, they talk about Bob Saget's passing, whether Michelle Obama will run or not and human trafficking. Text: PODCAST to 310.340.1132 to get added to the distribution list PBD Podcast discusses current events, trending topics, and politics as they relate to life and business. Stay tuned for new episodes and guest appearances. About the host: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of a financial services firm and the creator of Valuetainment, the #1 YouTube channel for entrepreneurship with more than 3 million subscribers. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal bestseller Your Next Five Moves (Simon & Schuster) and a keynote speaker. Patrick Bet-David is passionate about shaping the next generation of leaders by teaching the fundamentals of entrepreneurship and personal development while inspiring people to break free from limiting beliefs to achieve their dreams. Follow the guests in this episode: Adam Sosnick: https://bit.ly/2PqllTj Gerard Michaels: https://bit.ly/3fMja9z Nic McKinley: https://bit.ly/3uUth2M To reach the Valuetainment team you can email: [e-mail]   Want Patrick on your podcast? - http://bit.ly/329MMGB --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

We are officially live episode number one 14 with special guest Nick McKinley, but what about the AKA Jack Ryan, which we'll get into some of you guys on our story. The real Jack Ryan, the movie was made based on pretty much his life story, but this is a special episode. We're doing the first podcast episode out of a freaking bank vault. Okay. This is literally a bank vault. How crazy is that? You've been talking about this dream and this for how long, Pat? Well, you know, the first of all,

the whole book, the Academy, right? The fiction book, Academy, it's based on a vault and the painting dead mentors, if you wanna, David, if you can pull up that painting that I had at the office and I got out the house just type in dead men tours Yeah, type in dead men tours or tyler's moon and I David. Okay, got it. Go to images right there If you look at that painting That is a vault. Okay, you see the vault around it inside the vault as bookshelves and

Shaw Lincoln Kennedy Einstein Milton Friedman, MLK, Senna, Tupac, myself, we're having a conversation together with a lot of different things and two books are sitting on that table. One is Ayn Rand Atlas Shrugged and the other one is your favorite book, Communist Manifesto, that's sitting there. So.

Gerard's favorite book. Gerard's favorite book. You read that about nighttime stories. What's different about me than every other socialists in America is I've actually read the comments. Oh, so great, sir. How many socialists do you think I've actually read that? I'm guessing very few. Oh man, they're so illiterate.

It's hard for me to tell. Oh, it's just just poking. So here we are in the back, right? You got the painting of the dead men, or is it for guys who got shot? For guys who didn't. And we're right here. So the good news is everybody here is a lifetime. We're gonna be okay

So there's that but the dude if they had done a little bit of research on you They could have pumped the price of this place up probably two X three X They just know a little while you know the story about how we bought this building He you know the story okay, so here's the story I was a coincidence in an accident It's I was here with you and then there was another building that you'll go with. So we came and I made an offer on this building and the offer I made, the owner of the building, he only, his counteroffer, he came down like, you know, $25,000.

I'm like, what is this all about? So my realtor causes Pat, don't get upset. It's, we can still counter, I said, I'm out. I'm done. I'm not making the counteroffer. And he says, no, no, let's make a counteroffer. Something could happen. I said, I'm done. I'm not making the counter offer and he says no No, no, let's make a counter offer something could happen. I said I am out. I'm not making a counter offer Anyways long story short I buy the other building off a federal

We buy the building you've been to the federal building there as well It's a lot of build that we bring all the people to help us to build a place out and I hired this designer to show up and he shows up the The best in town designer. Everybody in the market knows who he is, a beast of a designer. He shows up. Cool looking guy, well-spoken. You know he knows what he's doing. I said, so, where are you based out of?

He says, my office headquarter is based out of Forlota. I said, no way, yeah, it's very cool. I said, we're in Forlota, this is off of Dixie. I said, we're in Dixie. He gives the address. I said, let me get this straight.. It's off of Dixie. I said, we're in Dixie. He gives the address. I said, let me get this straight. I made an offer on your building. He says, you did make an offer on the building.

I said, why did you only come down as much as you did? He said, I saw who you were. I'm like, I don't know, I don't negotiate against this guy. I said, I better come down, Laura. I said, listen, you still want to do something or not. I texted him that night. I said, is it a waste of my time if I'm making an offer on the building? He I said, is it a waste of my time if I make an offer on the building?

He said, it's not a waste of your time. I made an offer, cash offer, and we went back and forward within three or four days. We figured it out. We finalized it. Niceest kind of world, by the way. Absolute start of a guy he is. And then we bought this building and the idea was to buy one building.

Accidentally, we bought two buildings. So the other building, the other building, the other building, the other building we bought simply for Gerard to go hang out with his friends. That's what Gerard's going to be doing. He's going to have an underground thing going on very soon. Stay tuned for it. It's known as the Lumberyard. By the way, guys worked all night to build a subway.

Shout out to Robert, to Jorge, who set up his stuff right next door to Eric to David to everybody that worked on. Hey, Jorge and Robert like dude, Jorge is like that dude is like construction catch up. There is nothing he doesn't go well with. I mean, he does audio. He doesn't in English. He doesn't Spanish. He's got beautiful long hair. That dude's a beast. He is a beast. You man crushing on Jorge. I'm not crushing. also what time did we get back here last night after the business planning Oh, we so we had the business planning workshop yesterday, which ended. I don't know what time in it It's a 1930 we come here at 9 30 we see this place I had to get COVID tested because I got a flight right after we're too big

Yes for Tom and then we come today and we do this up. But we come here last night. This place was empty. I was like, we're not having a podcast. There's nothing. I don't know if it's going to get done. Actually, I actually was giving Robert a little bit of shit. I was like, we got a plan. I left here at nine.

I was like, we got a plan B, right? Like, we have a plan B. If this isn't ready, we got a number of pocket. He's like, yeah, yeah, we're going to go back to the old office. We're going to go back in with one equipment. Yeah, we're going go back to the old episode. We're gonna go back to the old episode. We're gonna go back to the old episode. We're gonna go back to the old episode. We're gonna go back to the old episode. We're gonna go back to the old episode.

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We're gonna go back to the old episode. We're gonna go back to the old episode. We're gonna go back to the old episode. We're gonna go back to the old episode. have to have fun making money. Okay, if we're running a business, whether it's insurance, whether it's this, whether it's media, whatever we're doing, fun has to be at the foundation of it. You gotta have fun with the people that you're working with. And how much more fun you're gonna have than doing a freaking podcast and a bank vault.

Who the hell puts a podcast and a bank vault? Well, we got a podcast and a bank vault. So every time you know, we invite guests, you know, the podcast isn't a bank vault, right? What do you mean it's a bank vault? This was a bank, okay? This was the vault of Chase Bank. And now it is a podcast.

It's pretty crazy to do that. There's only one thing missing and I want to task the value-tainer's listening right now. We need the P.B.D. podcast logo board that we have coming up. So maybe they can, if you're out there in the P.B.D. podcast world, if you have an idea for the P.B.D. podcast logo, a new P.B.D. podcast logo for the vault. Submit it. Maybe you're the one that gets chosen. That's a good idea. And then the other part is this shelf. If you focus on the shelf, David, this shelf is built for the best gifts that are sent, unique gifts that are sent at fit here. Don't send us a big thing because we

can't fit it there. The best ones are gonna make it on this shelf. If anybody wants to send anything out here to us, we got some room to put stuff on the shelf. So anyways, having said that, can we get right into it? Let's do it. Let's do it. So let's go. Nick McKinley. How you doing? I'm doing excellent.

Thanks so much for having me here. This is absolute honor to be the, I mean, first guest in the vault. I will say that so former CIA operative. This is not the first time I have been questioned So if you guys want me to give you some best practices, you know I'll be late on it I know some people that would have my learning some of the best practices By the way, we just had another CIA agent on your mad seller, yeah, and mad seller I don't know if you know Matt Zeller.

He was Trump fan. Don't forget him. He makes me look like I love Trump. What did that way? Huge Trump fan. Yeah, no, Matt Zeller was on a month and a half ago. Matt was, he had a video that went viral with Brian Williams when he called that the administration

on the way they handled Afghanistan. And if you see, you would know who he is. You would know who he is. Yeah, okay. He's got a complete different take on certain things that are taking place. But we're glad to have you on. We were in Montana trying to hook up together and whitefish, the family, all this other stuff. But I'm glad we were able to do it here.

Guys, let me tell you what stories we got going on. We got a lot of them okay. Probably the most important story that we have to cover. This is the one you got a little bit emotional about it. I want to make sure everybody knows about this. Playboy Mansion Party Poodle got addicted to cocaine. He was hit a rough life. Had a straffit. So this put, we need to know what happened. How does a dog get addicted to cocaine? Well, I'll tell you mean that here's how that

that's how it starts with start there one that's always starts at the gateway drug it was a puddle's parents that's right top general top iranian general revenge for sole money death to happen with in u.s. no one will forget what we do kai i want to hear what you have to say about that i know you got some strong opinions on that

nearly twice as many military members died from suicide July through September, then they did from coronavirus since pandemic start. Michelle Obama's urgent message about this year's midterm election, some are saying she may be thinking about running for office 2023, but who knows if Biden doesn't run? Democrats now fear school closing will hurt them politically.

Blinken, if Russia attacks Ukraine, NATO will reinforce the Baltic states and Poland. AOC tested positive for COVID after partying in Miami. Were you with the party with or were you guys at the, I'm being actually serious with that. No, I did not see her there. But so, and said they feel bad for Omacron because they have their stuck with POC for next day. I saw that.

I saw that. It's up on my hair right now. Taco Bell is selling a $10 monthly taco subscription. Tom, I'm curious about that. I saw that. It's up on my Instagram. Taco Bell is selling a $10 monthly taco subscription. Tom, I'm curious about what you think about that. Forclosure, soar to 94% from a euro. That's a big number, by the way. Common office desk police leaked into Chinese government, meaning they're leaking into Pennsylvania,

is among top human trafficking states in the country. One here, what you have to say about that. Jolaine Maxwell's sex trafficking trial. I knew you've been following that close to yourself. FBI whistleblower blast delay after long-term CNN producer John Griffin child trafficking arrest. Facebook parent company, Metta, largest ever lease in downtown Austin is Facebook moving to Texas.

That'd be crazy if that would've take place. In a bizarre rant, Alec Baldwin just compared the shooting of the cinematographer to January 6th and seemed to blame both on right-wing hate. El Salvador promotes fitness to fight COVID. And then obviously the issue that's going on with Novak, Joe Kovic, which is all over the place. But let's start off with Bob Sagitt, comedian,

full-house star, dead at 65 years old, at Orlando, Ritz Carlton, a hotel I've stayed at many times. I grew up watching this guy with Full House. I don't know about you guys, but we grew up watching. Maybe even my English got better by watching Full House and Bob Sagitt. When that story came out, it was absolutely bizarre because he was on a podcast,

he was on Rogan podcast or something. I think a year ago, even Joe posted it on his Instagram about Bob Sagitt. Well, the lib Quiles podcast also, believe it or not, one of the better. One of the better rap artists. The lib Quiles and Bob Sagitt. And we were just, me and Carolyn Milgevich,

we're just at the Arlanda Winprah, stayed at that hotel, like three days before. They're saying that there was no funny business. They found no drug. He was a healthy 65 year old guy I don't know what he had going on. You're not gonna get me down this. You're not gonna get me down You love conspiracy theories so go somewhere. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? I love to know what type of medicine

He took right Mm-hmm, but that is the story that's going around. Okay, so so there is there are people that are speculating was because any time Some like this happen at 65. You know what was it was there something else? I just performed that night Right, I will say this though when I was younger 65 was like well, he was 65 now like 65 seems so young Like if anybody dies under 80 it's like to me a shock That's why social security started at 62 because you only were expected to make it at the 65

and it wasn't supposed to be a lifelong payout plan because you're supposed to be just basically like, all right, enjoy your rocking chair for three years, boom, you're dead. Now people are living in 85, 95, no problem. Isn't that one of the weird things though? We think about society is crumbling around us at all times and it's like, man,

you've got to die at 65. And it's like, man, you've got it at 65. And it's like, we're doing pretty good here as a people, right? Within a 30-year span, we've 33% of our lifespan, our life expectancy and everybody's like the sky's falling all the time. Look, I don't want to enter any conspiracy. What do you think actually happened with Bob Sagitt here? I think you have to wait and see because you know there's always a question. They said that the autopsy is going to be weeks and weeks and weeks.

You want to hear you just ask me? You just want to go ahead biz dog. You're 65. Tell us what it's like. What is it? Oh, I got your 65 right. But this thing right here. No, you know, about, was it six, seven months ago, there was a very prominent African-American

actor that passed away in New York. And then for a whole week, it was very, very sad and there was speculation. And it turns out in the autopsy, he had had a relapse, he started using again, and he had a cardiopulmonary paralysis, basically caused himself a heart attack. It was very, very tragic. A lot of his friends said, you know, we thought he had gotten through this and everything, but apparently, remember that? Who was the actor? I don't remember the name.

You're talking about Chadwick Boseman or not? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Yeah, not seemingly nice guys all his interviews very very gifted character actor very very very very very fun to watch And there is this calm right and then we found out and I just hope you know that this isn't one of those things I don't hope that Sagitt had a heart attack, but I hope it's like natural causes or something and Yeah, I would really be bummed out if it's yet another

I want to know what he knew about you you know, what information he knew that would lead to the arrest of Hillary Clinton. I mean, that's really... Ha! That's where you go with this? I don't believe the Pat. You came to the United States 1992? 1990, November 2nd.

1990, I think it's so saggy. This was... This was Oswald acted along. That's right. This was the height of Full House. Early 90. You must have watched full house, saved by the bells, these types of shows.

You probably literally learned English watching the Tanner family. He's probably one of my English teachers, Bob Sagas, one of my English. He gave you the 1.8 GPA, congratulations. He gave me the, so tell us what comes to mind when you think about Sagas. Look, I don't know the man,

so I can't give my opinions on it, but when I study somebody in an interview and you hear how they're talking and who they are The stories, you know, he was a guy that you know Like women party all this stuff like you hear a lot of stories about him being a party guy But he had settled down He was in a more of a series relationship But this is a guy that to us you watch this guy on TV So when you see something something like this taking place. It's tragic. I'm sure the family's furious right now,

devastated right now. They're going through tough times. Just wanted to give our condolences to the Sagitt family. And obviously, the stories, whatever's going to come out, we'll wait for it. But let me ask you, he's a comedian. You're a comedian. I did comedy for a long time.

As a comedian, how do you process this? You know it's weird. Because he performed that night. Yeah no you know uh the one to hit me hardest was when uh Greg Gerardo that's my favorite game all time when when when Greg Gerardo died in Jersey at distress factory the club where I was. I was full on drugs. Yeah he always was but like you know he was so good for so long like nobody really knew how Greg Gerardo. Greg Gerardo. Pull him up you'll know him like, the roast master general. But, you know, the thing with Bob Sagitt, man,

is that he lives on forever. Like the weird thing that we're all doing in this industry is we're chasing immortality. Why do we not go after money? Why, everything's legacy, you know, he's gonna live on forever in reruns, he's gonna live on. One of the things I don't like is how the internet

and the internet's the internet, it is what it is. You know, people are called him a pito, they're calling them all these other things because of some of the raunchy jokes that he made. And, you know, he's called Mepido, they're calling them all these other things because of some of the raunchy jokes that he made. And, you know, he's a very, very, very blue comic for people that don't, he was not Danny Tanner. No, that was an act. That was an act.

He was not Danny Tanner. And he was also an America's funniest home video. Yeah, yeah. But he was really the guy who did the Aristocrats joke. And that was his living run. That's the living persona, but his comedy was way up to the end. Oh, yeah. And, you know, but he lives on, I mean, basically Bojack Horseman is an entire series based

on him, I mean, satirizing him, you know, and I mean, you know, really what it comes down to is like, look at how culturally relevant that pop comedy was. Like, Lannis Moore set, Jagged Little Pill, one of the greatest selling albums of all time. Do you know who the breakup was that caused all those? Yeah, it was Danny. It was Danny's hit. It was. It was those? Yeah, it was Danny Exactly cut it out the courteous dad on TV was

Crying about So I mean Bob Sagitt look also guys. I mean Betty White Bob Sagitt. Here's the other side of it Everybody listening to this like we're getting older. Yeah This is this is kind of like Brendan like Brendan Shaw when we had him on. It was a cold comment that he had, but it was the right comment when we were like, you know, David cuts in and goes, guys, Betty White Dad and all of us are like,

oh, that's breaking news. Yeah, he's like, yeah, that's what 99 year olds do. I'm like, damn, dude, chill. I'll tell you one quick Bob Sagitt story and then I'm sure we want to move on. So I've met some pretty, you know, known people, especially in my time in LA when I was doing the whole Kardashian thing and I'm sitting on a restaurant like this and in the booth behind me and with my boys and I turn around,

I'm like holy shit, it's Bob Sagitt. And he's sitting there with John Mayer, the two of them, and they're going over jokes because john mayor talented musician it was trying to break through into comedy i'm sure you've known that with uh... shapel exactly so i'm thinking fucking bob sagittas coaching up john mayor over here about stand-up comedy i'm like this is pretty freaking cool

and i was like hey guys can i take out they're just like that's a bit of story ends that's where it ends ok rest in peace bob sagitt that story was They said I never meet your heroes You know, I Got a file by Bob Sagittor like just pull the Apollo with Expecting a big story to come out

Give me the cut it out thing and I got a go You're gonna be alright buddy. That's good. You know I purchased it by next episode Play the Oscars music rap That's the one that Bob Sagan story John man, you know, you know, you know patches. No guys. I'm out of you know America's got this big fascination with celebrity death. So America has this this huge fascination, tabloid fascination. Tom, when death in general, bro, like discovery, D, murder docs, I mean, you know, you got it. Yeah, but anyway, the point is I remember way back when, you know, ET was covering, and I mean the show, not the little guy,

the death of Farophosite. America's sweetheart, one of the first pinups and everything. Farophosite has passed away today. And what Pat just did is what happened at three o'clock Pacific time that day. And Farophosite, loved by all, wait a minute, wait a minute. Michael Jackson has been rushed to the hospital. So everybody forgets that Farophosite died in the morning, Michael Jackson died in the afternoon, and all the E.T.

stuff, they literally stopped mid-sentence. So that was just right here. All right, done. Here's the hook. By the way, crazy questions. Since we're talking about this thing and the way you brought it up here, like what Brandon shops at 99 years old.

Yeah. You've been asked this question before. I'm just curious to know what your answer is gonna be. Would you wanna know the day you're gonna die or no? No. Absolutely. Absolutely. You would. Absolutely. You would?

Absolutely. You would want to know. 100%. I got the psychic for $2,000, she'll tell you. No, I got the hit man. I have to prove that. 2000,000. You said absolutely not.

Absolutely not. Why not? This is a CIA operative. Let's hear your response to this. Yeah, so. And by listening to this, I'm curious. Comment as well. Would you want to know the day you're going to die're gonna die go it would change every decision that you would make

If you if you knew you would You would make sacrifices that you wouldn't otherwise make and you would you would no longer be playing the long game because you would you would now be an A zero some game So you know, I mean the most perspective Yeah, the most successful people that that I know you talk about this on your podcast and in your social media lot, right? I mean, you've got to play the long game. You're playing chess and not checkers. And if you knew the day that you were going to die, I mean, no, we're not even talking

the minute. You just knew the day you were going to die. You just entered a checkers game. And at that point, like Why why plan beyond that point? Right so why do you say that's a checkers game knowing the day you're gonna die because you're you're no longer By not knowing so it I think Elon Musk said that if you if you give yourself 30 days to clean your house It'll take 30 days if you give yourself three hours. It'll take three hours clean your house. It'll take 30 days. If you give yourself three hours, it'll take three hours.

You don't know if you're going to get hit by a car this afternoon. And so you play the game. Most people, I think, most successful people play the game as if they are going to get hit by a car this afternoon. So you try to pack in as much as they can, as much life as much as much value as they can in a short period of time as they can. And that leads to somebody like Elon Musk creating freaking car companies that outperform GM and trying to colonize Mars simultaneously, right? I'm trying to fight human trafficking and fraud simultaneously. If I knew that I had another 70 years, I would probably slow down. Is that a good thing? Nick, I would probably slow down.

Is that a good thing? Nick, I disagree with you completely. 100%, I think that you're a high functioning individual and you're making a classic mistake. A lot of people would disagree with that. Other people would have had a functioning. I've seen people in my life and my family wake up every day, sit in traffic, they don't wanna sit in

and go to a job that they don't wanna do because they need to accumulate wealth for a life that they don't really live. So if they knew that they had eight years left, do you think they're sitting in an hour and a half traffic going through the Lincoln tunnel to go work a job that they don't want to do or do you think that they're finally getting their ass out going to Europe, seeing what they want to see, doing what they want to do. You know, we get caught up in an accumulation game, but you out, going to Europe, seeing what they want to see, doing what they want to do. You know, we get caught up in an accumulation game,

but you never, nobody hears ever seen a tombstone with a net worth on it. So if you knew your days were numbered, you'd start checking things off the bucket list immediately. I can offer some interesting perspective on that because so my career started, right? Straight in the military, straight in special special ops lost my two best friends six months after we graduated PJ school like I didn't think I would make it to 25 now I made it to 25 and I was

like there's no way I'm gonna make it to 30 because none of my friends did then I made it to 30 and then I was like well 40 like there's no possible way that's gonna happen because none of my friends did. Did you with the cooking and poodle? Yeah, pretty much. Are you 40? Yeah, I'm 43 now. Okay. And so you know, so then I was like all right, you know, late 30s, got married, I've got two toddlers now, right? I mean, so, so I guess just kind of playing up, I guess we would say a pretty fast and loose game in combat and doing some really dangerous stuff in my teens and 20s. I mean, you can make an argument that most special operators are like borderline suicidal

with the stuff that we do. I had to come to terms with my own death pretty darn fast. There's a certain amount of freedom in that though, isn't there? There's nothing but freedom in that. Okay, explain that to me because you're 21, you're thinking, I'm not making it to 25, you're 25, you're thinking, I'm not making it to 30, 34, Pat talks about 20 year runs, right? Mm-hmm.

First 20 years, don't do anything stupid. Next 20 years, make your money. You know, the 20 years after that, work on what you want to be doing, right? And then in your last 40, for 20 years, give back, did I summarize it okay? But you thought you'd be dead by 25, 30. What the hell's that mindset? How do you walk me through why that's freedom

and liberating? It's liberating, depending on what your currency is. Right, so everybody's got a different currency. Right, my currency is impact impact. I am going to reduce human trafficking globally by 80% by the time I die. I'm going to drive a billion dollars into the fight against human trafficking by 2040. I got 18 years left on that. But that's the impact that I'm having now. The impact I was having then, you know, over my time in Pararasku, you know,

there's 27 people that got to go home to their families because of the impact that I had in that time. So it all depends, I think, on what your currency is. If the currency is, well, I'm gonna sit in this traffic because I wanna make sure that my kids can go to college and I wanna just know where it is. I wanna say, it's 100% noble and due to fault to do that. Absolutely, but I think there's a difference

between a culture of accumulation which I fully agree that we are eyeballs deep in a culture of accumulation. There's a difference between that and then also having a culture outside of self where you're thinking about your kids and that's why you're willing to sit in that traffic. So I think it all depends on are you willing to sit in the traffic just because you're trying to get the thing for yourself or you're sitting in the traffic because you're trying to lift your family up generationally.

And I think we have so many, you look at the immigrant community in this country, you have so many immigrants who come to this country and fathers and mothers who will kill themselves with work so that their children can go to college and live the American dream. So I think it all depends on the reason why. I think what you said made so much sense

that it has to do with currency. There's two things that you contradicted yourself, and I want to highlight this because of what you made. One very good point, when you said saggits, legacy is going to live on, right? So the currency of that is what? Legacy is going to live on, which means we want to figure out a way to live forever, right?

If you got eight years to live, you're gonna probably sit there and go through all the stuff you wanna do, you know, I'm gonna go see this, I'm gonna go party here, I'm gonna try this, I'm gonna try that, I'm gonna try this, and he like, this shit is boring his hell, the hell is this all about? Then you're gonna say, what am I gonna do for me to put a you know leave a legacy behind the famous Jewish proverb

I don't know if it's a proverb or saying is there's three things every man should do you know the one is plan to treat Second one is have a son third one is write a book each one of those things is about what? Something outliving you, right? Like you want something to outlive you. So I don't know, I don't know if I'd want to know when I'm dying. I don't know if I'd want to know if I'm dying. What would you want to know when you're dying, Tom? Would you want to know the day you're dying? I'm comfortable every day. Yeah, I'm comfortable every day with this,

it comes from my faith, which is really, really. I think so. And so I believe that God's numbered my days, and I'm just not here to be foolish with them. I don't walk in front of trucks and say, I wonder if today's my day and God's gonna... Mysteriously, Holy Spirit's gonna sweep me away from the front of that truck.

No, my faith is also based on impact. That's why at the end of all my case today, say, my name is Tom Ellsworth, the business knock, and I hope I left you better than I found you. I just, that's my impact. I'm I hope I left you better than I found you. Yeah. That's my impact. I'm going to teach and leave people better than I found them.

And so with my faith, I'm very, very comfortable with it. I can face to face with that a little bit, this summer, with COVID, one bring why I was one of the 1% that I'm sitting there in ICU, and I got Delta, and I don't have diabetes, and although they're markers, I have no comorbidities, I'm my, you know, although all the other markers, I have no cool morbidities, I'm not heavy, I mean all the things were there. I'm like, okay Lord, is this the way it's gonna be?

And okay, and I sound a lot of emails to a lot of people and did a lot of thing in that day. And also think about what you're asking, that's me. But I'm gonna say, let's look at a real life example. You remember Randy Pouch, who was the professor at Carnegie Mellon University and last lectures, it's called. When you know, it's an amazing thing, Pat. When you know, most people turned to impact. When Randy knew, he knew his cancer was stage three, he said, look, this is where it's going to go. So he said, I'm going to use as much of my time as

to as I'm physically able to teach and to talk. And he did this whole series called Last Lectures, which is tremendous. And it was captured also a little bit in the book, Two Steeds with More. Yeah. Mitch Album. Correct. Great book. Great book, yeah. So I think when people face it, they usually turn to impact and they don't turn to partying

and seeing all the places on earth because at the end of the day, that's kind of meaningless. Did I see everything? Tom, do you think, you know, the saying, the question about, you know, can you have it all? Do you think you can have it all? Like if you were to say, give a name of somebody right now in media that you see that this guy's got it all. He's got, he's having the time of his life.

He's making money. Sure, including, he comes to my mind. A wife, kids, legacy. Okay, so let's just say Dwayne Johnson has it all. Right. Who else would you say somebody that you see saying this guy's got it all? You're talking specifically media. I'm not, you can say business. You can say Hollywood. I'm gonna throw something out there. I think most people would say Elon must has it all. He's able to build whatever business is he want. He's had the capital to do it. He appears like he's having a good time. I think LeBron has it all.

I do. He seems so insecure for somebody that has it all, man. I think he's pretty secure. Yeah, there's his like, look on. Mike the Jordan. McConaughey. McConaughey. You know what, that's a good one right there.

McConaughey's married to a beautiful wife. God kids made it in Hollywood is thinking about politics as well. Red wrote a book that became a New York time best seller I think the story like that because you know I talked to a lot of people and here's what they'll say they'll say things like well, you know You got to give you know you can't have it all you can't do this and you can't do that and there's no way in the world You can have money and you can have success and you can have friendship and you can have fun and you can have this

What I've found from people that say stuff like that that's an alibi to not have to give your best. That's been my experience having hurt people who take that position as I need an alibi to not, because what is the most annoying thing about being married? Tell me what's the most annoying thing about being married. What's the most annoying thing about being married? What you can say is my life is watching this. Yes.

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a sister was the worst human being. I don't even know if it's true. Drugs, look in that camera right now. Talk to that stupid man for a nap. God, that boy. What is the most annoying thing? She's like a human. It's like they took ash trays. They took the ashes from a cigarette tray and somehow animated in the way human being.

This is soulless decrepit human being. Where is sister is? Oh my God. What if you're not still hung up on it? That's good. Yeah. What? So when you think about single guys that want to get married,

what's the biggest thing that happens a week before guys going to get was so so when you think about single guys that want to get married what's the what's the biggest thing that happens a week before guys gonna get married? What do you hear about? Go to your bachelor party or something. No, no, but what do you hear about guys having anxiety attacks guys having like panic attacks Going to their bodies. Don't you do it. I don't know if this is it. I don't know if I'm ready You know like the whole runaway bride. There's a lot of runaway grooms. You know runaway You know, I don't want to out you guys here, I mean, but you know, like one woman for the rest of your life's tough. That's a, that's a tough bett in your and bett in half of your salary against bett in half of your time.

Well, the kids, uh, Jarajas one Vegas. Okay. So don't haunts. That's what we do. Yeah. I think it's your hormones. Hang on, guys, David, the voice of God has got to say. Tell us, David, what's the reason? Go ahead.

That's what single guys say, which are just so. What's up? It's what single guys say. Yeah, I'm just over half of your wealth. It's about spending the rest of your life with the person you love. What's that voice, David? With that voice, David.

No, but you know what it is? Here's what it is. Okay, here's what it is. Just think about it. Number one, it's the. Here's what it is just think about it number one It's the R word what is the R word maybe one of the most responsibility responsibilities sucks. It's annoying right? I don't want it. It's the a ward. What's the a ward accountability accountability sucks? It's the C word What's the C word? We can't say

Commitment Commitment, commitment sucks! It's a C-T! Okay, so those three things, is there a D-Word? You know, Batchin didn't hear it from me. Is that an F-word that only happens once a month? But what does it do? But the point is, the point is, you got those three things. Responsibility, accountability, commitment, those three things are annoying.

Anything big you ever do in your life requires all those three things. And it's so, it doesn't matter what you're doing. You wanna be in shape, you wanna work out, you wanna win a championship, you wanna get your Super Bowl ring, you wanna be a millionaire, you wanna be a billionaire, you wanna make it on a list, you wanna build a big church,

you wanna be, you know, 80% human traffic and raising a billion dollars in next 20 years and doing what you're doing. Any of that stuff requires, you have to be responsible to your diet if you want to be in ship. You have to be accountable to a train. You have to be committed to show up at 6 o'clock. It absolutely sucks.

But on the other end of it, holy frickin' moly. On the other end of it is that visual of your, at a school kid is graduating. You see your son, your daughter, and you have that moment together on all the things you overcame. Those things are priceless. That's what makes relationships unique. That's what makes marriage unique.

That's what makes friendships, relationships. There's something about it. So those three most annoying words in the world, responsibility, accountability, and commitment. I will say all of the most successful men I know in life and business in sports. Yep. All do beautifully married. Beautiful Mary. Well, here's my question. Would you get married if there were no kids involved?

Would you just be a married couple no kids? So I'll give you a medical question. So I listen I listen if we were talking about this the other night at, right? We were up to God knows what time that night we were strategizing phenomenal session that they we had. We had nice cigars, we had nice drinks, we had everything so we didn't have cutters and lighters, which is I don't know how you get cigars without cutters and lighters, but it is what it is. One of the podcasts I was listening to, we're this podcast I listened to, but it was absolutely I couldn't stop listening to it, okay? The

podcast had four people there. One guy who's single who doesn't believe in God doesn't go to church atheist who thinks you need to be pre-miscus and he's left and right going out there and hooking up. He says that's what you need to do. Swipe right every day. Why not? Get it out of your system. The second one is a newlywed, a newlywed who doesn't want to have kids and all they want to do is the rest of their lives. They just want to be together. They don't want to have kids, and all they want to do is the rest of their lives, they just want to be together. They don't want to have kids, right? Another one is in their 40s, they have kids. Kids are, you know, high school about to go to college

and they're going through struggles. And another couple that was, there was a Christian pastor that was married in their 60s, and they're going through all this stuff. So the young guys talking about sex, all this stuff, the middle, husband and wife are talking about what we got to get our connection to be better in this area, in that area. Everybody's telling their issues, right?

And in a 60 something year old says, look, when I was younger, I didn't think, I thought marriage was just about kids, I thought marriage was just about this. He says, wait till you're married, and then your wife has to have a surgery that you can't have six or six months. Your marriage will be tested,

and that's what happened to us. And I had the biggest fights with my wife and this and this and that and it was the worst thing We know what happened two years later two years later. I couldn't get it up He's saying this on the podcast. He says now try facing your wife and every time you're in the bedroom You're like oh you Bay, you know it's you know, I drank too much or I you know I'm sorry. It was a bad day. You know, I didn't have enough pineapple right? Whatever excuses you're gonna make you know, you know, I need you out of changes of right? Whatever excuses you're gonna make, you're like, oh, you're not gonna try to change the subject. You want to go to dinner to get you want to go.

It's awkward. And he's telling this story. And he says, but as you get older, you're gonna realize, companionship is very important. Once kids are gone, everybody's gone. The last thing you're gonna fear is in your 60s, 70s, is being by yourself in a house. And if it's, you can get a 28-year-old come to your house. you can get a 28-year-old come to your house, you can get a 32-year-old come to your house.

But what is the depth of that relationship? Yesterday we talked about how do you measure a successful marriage and business? How do you measure successful marriage and business? What is it? How many employees you got? Is it how much money you make? And what you measure a successful business

or marriage is what? Depth and duration. I mean, you guys know people that have been married for 50 years and are miserable. I know a lot of people. We talk about one of the people you know that are married and not happily happy together, right? And the other one is depth. You see depth, you see a business.

We've been around for 100 years, but we want to make a 100 grand year. We've been around for 100 years, but we have 17,000 employees and we have a legacy of this this, this, that right? So to me, there's a little bit of both. Yeah, this is like a matzipolitan. By the way, by the way, crazy question here, crazy question. You can't answer this, you can't answer this. I'm curious into what Nick, you and your art will say. Can you say what is the oldest surviving business in the world? What country's based out of oldest business in the world. What country is based out of? Oldest business in the world. David, I want you, Tyler, I want you to pull it up. Once I'm done asking them, let them answer it. Forget about the name of it.

What country is it from? Oldest business in the world. Let us know in the comments what you think. Oldest business in the world. Continually operating. Yeah, continually operating has never gone out of business. Same company in the world. Yeah, no one Yeah, continually operating has never gone out of business. Same company. In the world.

Yeah, no one bought them out. They're independent. They're still around growing, doing good things. Where is it based out of? I'm so curious to know what you're going to say. The Vatican? Okay. What would you say?

By the way, that's a good guess. Very good guess. Yeah, very good guess. It's a great guess. I was actually going to say it's got to be something in the like a rocky, you know, everything in Mesopotamia. Okay, so you're going Middle East. Tyler, do you know, sure? Do you have a guess? What? I said Middle East. Okay, now here's the second question. How many years do you think it is?

Gotta be over a thousand. Would you see over a thousand? Mm-hmm. You're right. Would you see also over a thousand. Would you see over a thousand? Gerard, would you see also over a thousand? Well, unless we're talking like modern businesses, like the Dutch East, on India Company, it's like 250 years old, 260 years old. I don't know, yeah, it fits the Vatican. That's awesome.

Let's also inform that. Okay, cool. Check this out. So we're doing research for this whole course that we just put together, right? Because we're trying to find out the depth and duration. The oldest business in the world, if you want to pull it up,

the oldest business in the world is in Japan. It's been around for 1,460 years, oh. What? 60 years, 1,460. Wow. They interviewed the CO this company. Okay, they interviewed the CO this company. The company's called Konga.

I think there's a unique name to it. What is the name of it if you go to it? It's Japan, go a little closer, can you do control plus? Oh, only fans, that makes sense. There you go, do me. Konga, goomi, that's been around for a thousand, four hundred and sixty four years. What did they do?

Yeah, so if you open it up, and I'll explain what the business is, but here's the key. They asked the president and the CEO, what is the key to success with your company? You know what he said? Don't drink too much. Really?

And they said, what do you mean don't drink too much? It's not don't drink too much like alcohol. It's don't drink too much of your success. Don't drink too much of your own ego. Don't drink too much of, you know, I'm so important. Don't drink too much of this. And then- Don't drink the Kool-Aid, of this and then don't drink the Kool-Aid Yeah, don't drink the Kool-Aid and then

Culture's moderates. That's the part whole culture in by the way the whole story is based on Toyota when Toyota came I started whipping on Ford and GM and everybody in the US Tyson you got it and there was a book written called Toyota's way American automakers send their executives to Japan and they found that Japan's short-term business plan is 20 years. A short-term business plan they write is 20 years. America's short-term business plan is 30 days. We're running into a major political issue with that right now. I mean the the autocrats across the world have realized man we just have to wait these guys out. Our

foreign policy changes every two years. China's got the same foreign policy for 50. You know what I mean? Like how do you compete in that? It was one of the powerful things Matt Zeller said by the way. He says we can wait. Do you remember that? You're saying that Afghanistan. Yeah, yeah. He says Afghanistan?

He says what we have that you guys don't have is time. We have time. We'll wait it up. You have all the watches, we have all the time. Yeah. Crazy life. Yeah, crazy life. Okay. To your point about China, you know, look at look at our politics these days are so much freaking gridlock and Washington. We can't There's so much gridlock in Washington that you know every four years

There's some new plan new game plan new but look at China. They're just like we're going full steam ahead Do you know how many assignments US intelligence agent we'll get about one every four years? Now how many Chinese or Russian intelligence agent get in their career? One. One.

Right? One. Right, you get assigned to America. You're a GRU agent. You're in America. 30 years. Yeah. How true your, like Putin said, there is no such thing

as a former KGB agent. Yeah, how true is it with the youth too? Like I've read that they're starting to infiltrate as early as like 15 years old. They'll take like, I guess a 20 year old kid, say that they're 15, have them come over here. Oh yeah. And they'll be in our school systems

coming up through our system. Absolutely. And it'll be a 20 year plan to infiltrate some sort of C-suite. And they've been a CCP operative the whole time. Absolutely. I mean, it's a, they play generational games, right? We saw this with the Taliban and Afghanistan.

We've seen this, I mean, we've seen this all over the world. They play generational games, and we play very short games. However, you've got to ask yourself, I mean, we definitely play the short game in America. Yet, we've built more value than any other country in history in a very short period of time. Why is that?

So there's arguments to be made for playing that short game within a single lifetime, right? Focusing on getting the gold watch and sitting on the beach, right? Look at how much we... But why is that, though? Why do you think that is that America and only 240 years has beaten everybody else? Why do you think that is? Liberty. Capitalism? Yeah, I think it's the values and principles this country was founded was founded on I think that's what it comes down to and I wouldn't even No, I wouldn't even say capitalism. I would say it's liberty. Yes, because liberty is what gives you that like if you want to be a Communist in America like you want to for can join a common middle amounts Montana go for it our principles Liberty would like you to do that. Take it as far as you think you can take them

You want to you want wanna run a capitalist business? Do that. You wanna run a nonprofit? Do that, right? And so I think it really comes down to, it comes down to liberty. And then you take the liberty, the brilliance of our founding fathers

within the federalist system, where my governor, G and Forte, or your governor, can say, yeah, federal government, I don't really like your rules, and we're not gonna play by that rule, because we are sovereign in our state here. So you take liberty in the federal system,

and I think that's why. I like you, Bob, we talk about a lot of different things here. Let's go over there and transition to the next store, because I wanna get you inside on what's going on with Jolaine Maxwell. So here we go. Jolaine Maxwell found guilty in sex trafficking Trial. This is a guardian story British former social eye Jolaine Maxwell was on guilty of sex trafficking or Manhattan federal

Court trial late December prosecutors said Maxwell Prayed on vulnerable young girls manipulated them and served them up to be sexually abused by Epstein There were four accusers in this case Jane Kate Caroline by Epstein, there were four accusers in this case, Jane K. Caroline, who did not use their full names and and farmer who did Jane testify that she was 14 years old 1994 when Epstein started a sexual abuse and that sometimes Maxwell was present about during the abuse at times Maxwell participated in the abuse. There were hands everywhere, Jane recalled of an encounter with Epstein and Maxwell, the abuse continued when she was 1560,. Maxwell faced up to 65 years.

In prison, Jelaine Maxwell's little black book to remain secret after Judge Warren's Needles name drop. That's an independent needless name drop. And by the way, who has the black book? Jelaine Maxwell's little black book, containing the names and addresses of nearly 2,000 world leaders, celebrities and alleged victims will remain secret. Maxwell's defense attorney came to an agreement with Prosecutor over the weekend not to release the 97 page director

to the public. Judge Alison Nathan had previously said she wanted to avoid needless name drop in during the trial. The book was filled with contact details of Miss Maxwell and Epstein's famous friends including Prince Andrew, former US president Bill Clinton and Trump, and had been mentioned sporadically during her sex-traffing trial. So I'm sure you being in this world, you've been following the story. What do you know about what's going on here? Oh, all right, I'm going to try to make this, I'm going to try to make this

fast, but this is very, very nuanced. So as an example, the black book being sealed, right? Well that happened back in December, early December. The black book is no longer sealed. It was only sealed in the courtroom because the judge didn't want the jury getting distracted with a bunch of super famous names. That was really what it came down to. We've actually made this very easy for everybody. You can go to maxwelltrial.deliverfund.org.

And we have posted links to the Little Black Book, which was leaked by Gokker back in 2015. You can see it there. You can see the flight logs. You can see all the evidence that was entered into court. And the reason we did that was to kind of get rid of some of the conspiracy theories. Now, the little black book, what is it? The DOJ has it.

It was stolen by a, by the butler, I believe it was, who was essentially using it as an insurance policy. The DOJ got their hands on it because the butler tried to then sell it to an undercover DOJ FBI agent. He ended because the Butler tried to then sell it to an undercover DOJ, FBI agent. He ended up getting some consequences for that. But the black book was an address book. It's no different than the address book in your phone, right? I mean Patrick, you've got everybody from CIA people to mobsters in your phone, right?

I mean it's prior to your phone, everyone had a little black book, right? It's called a, you know, yeah. Yeah to your phone, everyone had a little black book. Right. It's called a, you know, yeah, yeah, you know, you had your Palm Pilot before that, or, you know, depending on where you are and the technology adoption story, it was just an address book. So there's all kinds of people in there who some of them were up to some, were up to no good. And some of them were doing some pretty terrible things.

And some of them were, you pretty terrible things and some of them were You know the freaking handyman who fixed the hot water here, right? And so it's the what we get focused on the little black book So it's not a ledger. It's not like this person can't like the hidey fly Sex book right now go go to address book Yeah, go to Maxwell trial dot deliver fun dot org.org and click on the link that says little black book. But it is pretty interesting what famous names might be in that book. Well, yeah, the plumber, okay, the handyman, your friend, but like, that's the conversation.

That's the conversation. That's the conversation, right? Prince Andrews in the book. Bill Clinton, Donald Trump. What about Alec Baldwin? I mean, but what's really interesting, don't focus on the black book. I saw it. Bill Clinton, Donald Trump. What about Alec Baldwin? I mean, but what's really interesting, don't focus on the black book. Focus on the flight logs.

Correct. That's what you want to focus on. Right? And we posted a link to the flight logs as well. You focus on the flight logs and who's on there. Right? And where they were going. So, okay, we all know that Epstein Islands, right? This is not an X-apinion, this is now like fact, your DOJ established fact,

that there was sex trafficking happening within the Epstein compound, not just compound, but within his ecosystem, right? Because it was the London house, it was, I mean, the New York townhouse, right? He had multiple locations within his ecosystem. London house. Yeah, yeah, I mean, he had, he had, I mean,

it places really all over the world. And so the question is, what was he doing? Where was the source of his funds? Because like, tell me what his business was. There's a financial advisor, wasn't he? Was he? Wasn't he? Was he, though?

I don't know. Don't, don't, don't, don't600 million, $2 billion, but nobody knows how he made his money. Yeah, like a financial advisor Nancy Pelosi does. I mean, it's a, that's the question that needs to be asked, right? And then if where do you get that kind of power? Well, what's what don't we know like what what so what here's a question because everything you just said so far I've followed all the stories so far on on what you what you covered What don't we know that's important to know the flight log? Yeah, I agree we need to know what the flight log is on who went on there You know all of that stuff I told you get it there, you know with folks that okay

I've seen this but what I want to know is what what do we need to find out next and the information that we need to find it? Are we really going to find out or, you know, the other day, I said Donald Trump Jr. post a picture saying, you know, Jalaine Maxwell, the day she was born and then he said two weeks, you know, like she's not going to be here with the next two weeks. So is she gonna plead guilty the way that Epstein did? That's right. So what don't we know who's hiding? Does the government know what's going on? Are they holding back what's going on? Is there any of the, you hear the conspiracies

about they're trying to hold back from people finding out? Because a lot of people would go down. What's really going on behind closed doors? So just cause it, so, all right, conspiracy theories. Yeah, you bet there's some powerful people who are starting to sweat. And to think that we have equal access

to the legal system in this country is just not true, because if you have money, you have more access to the legal system. That's just the way that it works. So anybody who has a lot of money, you have more access to the legal system. That's just the way that it works. So anybody who has a lot of money, who might potentially have something to be concerned about, has the ability to get in front of that. So let's not kid ourselves into thinking that they don't.

What is the DOJ going to do about that? I don't know. What we need and what we don't have, or at least what I have not seen publicly, the GOJ might have this, is we need a full financial audit back to the beginning of time of Epstein's accounts. That's what we need. Where did the money come from? Right? Because I think you're going to see a decent amount of outflow. That's what I want to know. There you go. I think most of your outflow is gonna be jet fuel. Right, it's gonna be rent. It's gonna be those types of things. I think most of your inflow, like, that's what I'm interested in,

is where did that money come from? You make a great point and you're about power. You were talking about power and it's basically, was a, were these nefarious sexual encounters, really the equivalent of X Epstein making bones, as the mafia would say, on other people. And that became his LeBrenth source of power. Because it all goes like this.

And so now he's got control. And I agree with you, it's like, where did the money come from? What was the money actually used for? Really used for because the obvious outflows are going to be, you know, service maintenance, jet fuel, all the things for all these locations. Okay, but what was going on? Well, look at, I mean, right there, line nine on the, on the flight log, right? Bill Clinton plus four secret service, two males, one female, and then a bunch of initials.

GMSKAP. Yeah. So, but there's your point. Like, all right, so what was happening there? But then go up to flight number 51 in Cindy Loper. Yeah, I saw that. Go down to the next one, right? Yeah.

And that's where I think we need to be. No, no, no, no, you were on the go. Go back on the same page, you were on line one. Yeah. That's where we need to be a little bit careful. On the first page, you were on. Right there, Bob same page you were at line one. That's where we need to be a little bit careful. On the first page you were on, control zoom, 51 Cindy Loper. And yeah, Cindy Loper and then above that, Cindy Loper, or maybe that was Cindy Loper. And what do they do?

They go back and they find the initials and they identify who that person likely is and they start questioning those people. So how it works? I don't know what the DOJ is doing just because just because your name is on here doesn't mean you committed a crime. Right, right, but it's a decent indicator that you're running some circles. That deserves some questions.

And my point here on all of this is there's some really good reasons why some of this stuff was sealed. And I just talked about this in the clear hot podcast with Cara Smith. The reason one of the victims is a very, very well-known Hollywood actress, very well-known. I mean, if we were to say her name, Cara knows who she is.

We would say her name, or if she was to have to show her face, everybody would know who she is. Why can't you say her name? Because right now, she is not one. It's not my place. It's not my business. Two, she is a victim of a's not my place. It's not my business. Two, she is a victim of a crime. Sure.

And one, and she, hold on. She was raped as a child, right? And one of the most prolific cases in history, definitely one that was covered by the media the most. So right now, she is known as a hard working master of her craft, right? If her name gets released publicly, she's now that girl who is raped by Epstein. Which label do you want to wear for the rest of your life?

She a big, big name today. So she's still active working right now. Yes. Okay. And I respect you for not saying her name. And who knows who she is? A number of people. Okay. A number of people who work in this space and

And this is this is what's really important for us to keep in mind. We all want justice, right? Yeah, I mean God built me for justice and to go after bad people That is that is why he made me and put me on this earth and so Nobody nobody wants his justice more than I do, but it's not my justice to have Nobody wants justice more than I do, but it's not my justice to have. It's the victim's justice. So, if any of those folks on that flight log committed a crime, it requires a victim per the constitution because that person has a right to face their accuser, which is super important.

If that victim chooses not to have justice because they've moved on, right, maybe years and years of counseling, it might have taken them 20 years to get over that. And then we're asking them to go into court and rip that open for us so we can have justice. It's not ours to have. And there's precedent that even though their victims it still has an adverse effect on their career, you look at the actresses that were involved in the NX, IVM thing, and... Oh yeah, the Nexium.

You know, they were branded and then, you know, that none of them ever worked again. Some of them became culpable in the cult, like, you know, atmosphere of it by recruiting after a while, but they were... Yeah, you know, listen, man, I mean, one of the things, you know, atmosphere of it by recruiting after a while, but they were, yeah, you know, listen, man, I mean, one of the things, you know, being an entertainment that it's one of the scarier things about it,

but this is like, I've met very, very few executive producers that anybody that was ever willing to like do a project, especially an independent project that didn't get their money from like some sort of nefarious need, you know, and I gotta be honest, I'm gonna be 100%, I'm gonna be the only human being in America honest. If I was asked 10 years ago by Jeffrey Epstein to come down to his island in the Mahamas

and hang out with a bunch of supermodels and we'll talk about financing your movie, I'd have been on that flight lock. 100% chance I'd have been on that flight lock. Now, I'd like to think that when I saw what was going on there, I wouldn't go back a second or a third or fourth time. But when you're in that industry, there are so few people willing to green light your projects. And there, you know, you talk, you talk to people that you don't know how they came about their money. Sure. Right. And then you have some guy who's willing to, and listen,

there's going to be people in the comments right now talking about I'm a pito or I'm whatever and I'm not. But I'm telling you right now, anybody that's ever been to a bachelor party, I believe you'd have gone to Epstein Island if you were invited. Anybody that's ever been to a strip club would have gone to Epstein Island if they were invited. Somebody's gonna fly you down their private jet to an island to hang out with women. It's pretty tempting, right? So I mean, this idea, you know, one of the things I don't like about the way

that this is covered is how everybody's holier than now in the moment, but it's also like, dude, if you ever got on those strip club and asked the CID when you were there, I've never seen anybody. There's a big difference still. There's a big difference between going to that island and intentionally having an interest of wanting to be

with minors that he has on the island those are a thousand two different to the very point for you to the French thousand percent so those are two different things of your going with intent yeah you have issues but if you're going saying to them put in the sickest party together come on by exactly yeah that's a different conversation that you're talking about but But again, we got it, there's a big thing.

But I think that was like, just kind of like his thing. Like I don't, like Trump went with them, Clinton went with them, were those guys banging chicks on his island? I'm willing to bet yes. Do I think they were women though? Yes. Like, I don't, I'm not saying, just because you want to go party and have a good time, if you bring the Shrugged example,

doesn't mean you like 14 year old girl. I think that was just his weird thing. It's very, very important to differentiate that, especially because not only taking this from the Netflix documentary that I saw, which seemed very biased to begin with anyway, they talked about Trump 90 times and Clinton wants, right? So, the women were like, they were 17,

and we were told to tell people that we were 22, and it's horrible what happened to these women. I don't want to try to make it out like it's not. But then I'm also, I look at what's happening, and bad baby turns 18 and makes a trillion dollars off of our only fans, the day she turns 18, and everybody in the world, we have some sort of weird kind of like

fetitization with young women, but when I was growing up, Britney Spears was 16. Oops, I did it again. I mean, like, there's a weird fetitization with that almost gel-bait kid, right? And you don't, we're not conditioned to like ask them. You go to this island. When it would be like, I don't almost feel like, seriously, I would almost feel like it was disrespecting my friend Jeffrey to ask the girls. You're 21. I joined the army.

Let me tell you what happened when I joined the army. Drill Sergeant Green brings us in and says you go party in this town. Here's what's going to happen. You're going to meet a lot of girls. Girls are going to like guys in uniform. Just know this. But you're also a target and you have to know that girls lie when it comes on to their age You have to ID them I'm like what do you talk about you have to ID them? He says you have to ID them before they come in to your place

And by the way, how old are you at this point? I'm 18. He's 18. I'm 18 years old traffic track So it's a senior book and there's a lot more so we're sitting there one of our guys who had a house off off base. We all lived on base So on base you can't even do it because they can't even make it through the gate because the idea everybody when they come through the gate But let's have Antonio Brown this guy had a place off the off off base So we go to the place to his house. There's a bunch of people there next thing you know in the middle of it One of the guys starts IDing everybody. And one by one by one says you gotta leave, you gotta leave, you gotta leave,

if you can't show your ID. This guy was like the responsible guy, everybody's gotta get in here. So I think again, there's a big difference with, some people have the angle you took when you said, oops, I did it, again 16 years old, we put it out there, who's that on? Is that on the media?

Is that on you? No, I'm not saying? Is that on the media? Is that on you? Is that on marketing? Is that on? All I'm saying is, that's on the record company. First of all, I want to be really clear. What happened there is a travesty. What happened on that island is a nightmare.

I'm just saying that when to his point, Cindy Lauper gets on this list and everybody's like, well, Cindy Lauper is a pito or Cindy Lauper is this or Cindy Lauper is that. Cindy Lauper might have been down there to talk about a project and now she's lumped in with all this stuff. on this list and everybody's like, well, Cindy Lawford is a Pito or Cindy Lawford is this or Cindy Lawford is that. Cindy Lawford might have been down there to talk about a project and now she's lumped in with all this stuff. It's very, very important.

Like, you know, basically what you're saying, G, just because I'm with you, 99% of the people on these flights were up to, well, not bad, the point. That's why we need. That's why we need the forensic Accounting that's right investigation because we don't know that we that that's it I mean, do you think my numbers are no, I think you're off. No, I think you're off What numbers do you think it is I think I think? 99% I think it most people aren't molesting children. That's what I'm guessing I think if you what's the number then? I think if you hang out with skunks you start to stink

And I think that there's a certain amount of personal responsibility. You have people in your life, right? Business partners that you know are doing shady things, and so you distance yourself from them, right? You just, hey, sorry, I'm too busy. Can't answer the phone, right? I mean, you may not necessarily be turning them into the freaking IRS, but you were distancing yourself from them.

But you're assuming they knew that's what he was doing. I think that over decades and decades, you start to be able to see what's going on with people. Listen, here's what it comes down to. It's very simple. Why don't you go investigate exactly what the money came from? That's what you got to do. The guy's not running and we'll go follow the money.

So the question then becomes the hesitancy of not wanting to follow the money. That's deeply concerning. That's the guy who was hesitant though. Who's doing it though? Well, but she's the first trial in history. She's the first human trafficker that was convicted of trafficking to nobody. There was nobody else that was going to cheat. No, she was the trafficker to Epstein. So that's how they're saying it. Yeah, he was the end zone. Yeah, so 18 USC 1595 says that if you are essentially getting any type of economic value through defrauding, forcing, or coercing somebody else to do something, right?

Where you're the recipient of the economic value. Remember when you talked about human trafficking, people don't know what that means. Let me give you a really easy way to think about what human trafficking is. You perform labor, you then get to keep the proceeds of your labor, right? You get renumeration for the services and labor

that you provide. That you chose to do freely. Right. Well, yes, and the whole philosophical conversation around that. But whether you're choosing to or not to, you are keeping the fruit of your labor. Human trafficking is when you provide some type of labor service, and somebody else is getting to keep the economic value.

Now, economic value does not have to necessarily mean cash. We all know there's a whole lot of economic value to influence. Pelosi will say there's a lot of economic value to narcotics as an example is as part of the way that human trafficking will work in this country. So if somebody's being forced, defrauded, or coerced into doing something for somebody else's economic benefit, you have human trafficking.

And it doesn't matter what that thing is, what the service is, what the labor is. And that's really the point that we focus on here. So we also got to keep in mind that, you know, we're saying, oh, well, the DOJ isn't doing things. Like, okay, well, let's hold up a little bit, right? It is very, very difficult to prosecute people in the United States of America.

And that's actually a good thing, right? Because we have constitutional rights. And the DOJ has, I believe, it's a, like, 86% conviction rate. Part of that's because they don't take risks. Sure. The other part of that is because they do their homework. And so, who's to say that the DOJ

isn't currently doing that? So, we move on. Well, before you move on, I don't think that the vast majority of people don't think the DOJ is doing their job. I think that the DOJ is influenced about who to do their job with and on. Because this seems to be a prevailing issue with our elite class. I mean, go back to the Bohemian Grove for whatever reason. I mean, I don't know if you believe in the adrenochrome myths and everything like that,

but there seems to be, there's so much smoke when it comes to our elite political class being involved in some sort of human trafficking, way fair, whatever, we can get into all the conspiracies, but there's so much smoke that it's almost impossible for there to be fired. And then when you're looking at what gets investigated and what doesn't, that's what people have the issues with.

So that's why we exist at Deliver Fund. So let me give you a good example. We have a Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, right? You guys are sitting here in Florida. Patrick probably has all three of those within reach, right? Yeah, that should be a store, not an agency. Right.

We have a drug enforcement agency. We've been fighting a war on drugs for 30 years. Drugs are winning. How's that going? Yeah. 90% of drugs are legal right? A friend who's an ophthalmologist he uses or I'm sorry an eye surgeon and he uses cocaine to numb the retina of the eye before surgery right?

I mean it's a legal drug. Yeah, we have an entire drug. Here's this cocaine to numb the eye. Yeah, the retina of the eye. Yeah, pharmaceutical not. Yeah, pharmaceutical like yeah, he's not getting off street corner. Hey Jenny I got to calm this is going to go down to the corner But uses it in the eye. Yeah, you're multiple use it in the nose like I remember does cocaine

I just you know like one of like the way you heard from a friend. Yeah, exactly But the the point here is that pharmaceutical item 13th Amendment makes 100% of slavery illegal. Who's got the issue? Who's got the ball on that issue? Right? Let's start. Yeah, where's our counter human trafficking agency?

It doesn't exist. And so we have this issue here where we start to look at, like, well, is this a conspiracy? Or is it just a breakdown of the system? Is it just the fact that the constituency has not mandated that the politicians fund the fight against human traffic? Does it have to be an or or can it be an end? What do you mean? Does it have to be a conspiracy or there's a breakdown of the system or can it be these elites are involved? Definitely can be. That's why there's a breakdown in the system.

Absolutely, definitely can be an end. And he brought up the way fair thing and they're drew in a chrome thing. Yeah. What are your thoughts on that? So way fair, not true. Never happened. Started in like a sub-threader to the sub-threader

of Reddit where most of the things of the world start. How do you know it's not true though? Like why give us some tips? One, we traced it all the way back to it was a there's a pricing Algorithm issue right like as an example my coin base account the other day said that my account was worth like $31 million nice right. Hey, thanks a lot coin base for that But did it but did it rename your account the name of a girl who went missing six weeks ago? We how much was in your account for the record.

Not 31 million. You must work from accident. Not 31 million. Okay, the point is yeah, so like you're saying way fair was fake though. Yeah, we actually placed orders Like like anytime there's one of these conspiracy theories We actually will go through and like actually go through the So you've been planning pizza plan of pizza and everything. Yeah, let's figure out what's going on. Way fair child sex trafficking fake.

Totally fake. Adrenal chrome. Adrenal chrome. Totally fake. Like that's the best. Explained to draw it wide. I don't know, I don't have a best identity. But first of all, Adrenal chrome 100% exists.

All right, now you do our product. Adrenal chrome. Adrenalic is the best. So when you drink it, what are the digestive juices in your stomach do you want? I don't know, I've never taken the drink. Yeah, right, Gerard. I believe it.

I've never taken the drug. I've never taken the drug. Yeah, right, bro. I'll obliterate it. First of all, you're not supposed to drink, you're supposed to drop it into your stomach. Yeah, exactly. Now you know.

Now it's guilt, Gerard, explain this. Explain this please. The answer is your stomach is one of the most costic environments on earth, and it takes care of that stuff. So that's your theory? No, it's your... No, no, no, no. Don't act like that. Not your stomach is one of the most caustic environments on earth and it takes care of that. So that's your theory? No, it's not. No human trafficking in America, right? Like on here, this is Pennsylvania's among the top human trafficking states in the country,

they all are. Human trafficking is highly, highly transitory, highly transitory. And because of COVID, a lot of human trafficking has actually shifted online. Why do you think that there has been such an explosion of only fans? Human traffickers are putting their girls, I mean, right, it's a business to them. They gotta scale that business.

You have an unlimited, well, we'll ask the PhD in the room. What happens when you have an absolutely unlimited supply because vulnerable people are the supply and you have a limited demand Because again, like not everybody is like trying to find You know young young children to have sex with or even look at So you have a limited demand so unlimited supply with a limited demand

You've got a price that's pretty much bottomed out in the market and so human traffickers have to do business at scale So then putting their their victims on only fans We have plenty of cases of this that this is true and this is this happens on about 42 different websites across the country Which we are all over like what on rice by the way like they yeah, they just can't Number one website apparently is Facebook for this kind of stuff. Well, it used to be bed page, right? Like bed and then back page. Back page got like tape and then they finally the government took back and who's down. And it was the primary source of intelligence on the take down of back page. Was that you? That was us.

My guy. We actually moved into their headquarters afterwards because we build our empires on the schools of our enemies. Wow. Did thepages know what they were doing the whole time? They absolutely knew. And the way I know this is, again, we've... They're tracing what they were going to be Craigslist, right? They were like a Craigslist competitor? We traced this stuff out. We actually posted a job, or not a job.

We posted an ad for a 16-year-old girl, and we've got this all on film on camera. Posting an ad for a 16- old girl on BackPage.com. And it went live minutes later with the age change to 18. No. They quiet. No. No.

They actually automated that piece. That's how in depth they were. But that's also why they were charged with human trafficking. Why? Why they all played guilty. Right. The only two left were the owners. They're super old and really bad health. But that's also why they were charged with human trafficking, why they all pled guilty, right? The only two left were the owners, they're super old and really bad health and so they're just writing it out.

But the point here is that the major majority of human trafficking in the United States, we all want to look at the Epstein's, right? But let's break down the Epstein case. All that was was what happens every single day, probably within five miles of this building right here, in almost every major metropolitan area in the country, and increasingly smaller towns, that same playbook, that exact same playbook, not on that level, but the exact same playbook, right? You find somebody who's vulnerable, right? Young teenage girl, most vulnerable people in the world. You start manipulating them.

You start pulling them away from their support network and then they start getting them hooked on narcotics and then their lives are ruined. So when we look at the standard model of human trafficking, people want to focus on the pizza gates, which isn't real. Again, we've got more human trafficking data than anybody on the planet. I mean, we literally have more human trafficking data than probably almost all governments combined. I mean, it's what we do and we're really good at it.

There's no patterns in any of that data that would suggest that any of that is even remotely real. Like not even the smallest little signal. What people want to focus on is, well, there's children being trafficked in the basement of a pizza parlor, and then they go log onto their only fans account. And they want to realize that they're the ones actually feeding money into the human trafficking system. They're the ones actually participating in it, right? They want to go get what they think is an escort for a bachelor party, but that girl actually has a baby in Las Vegas that her human trafficker is holding on to. And if she doesn't bring in $1,000 a night,

he hurts the baby. And so of course she says she wants to do this because she'll do anything to protect that child. That's a real case that we do. Okay, so I mean, what you just said there though, I mean it isn't that the libertarian argument for legalizing sex work So because then it can be monitored and it can be regulated and that's the whole high-d Fliess argument. Yeah people aren't going to stop having you're not gonna make a moral argument that that's gonna force people to stop having Bachelors like you said the more on drugs. So it's is winning. Correct, yeah. No, so I don't think that is, it's not a bad argument.

The libertarian argument for legalization and prostitution, it's not a bad argument. The problem is that the data just doesn't back it up. Because every country that's every legalized prostitution has seen a spike in human trafficking. Portugal and Amsterdam? Yeah, oh yeah, among the biggest ones, the last one, the last country that just did it was Germany.

And now they're actually trying to reverse the legalization of prostitution because they've had such an explosion in human trafficking. Correct. You said that Pat brought up Pennsylvania's and you're like, look, it's every state, it's transitory. Oh, there's certain countries that's like, that's the sex, traffic, capital of the world.

No. It's in China, it's in India. It's a shark. It's not Nevada, right? I mean, honestly, let's transitory. Are there certain countries that's like, that's the sex, traffic, capital of the world? No. China's in India. China is in Nevada, right? I mean, honestly, let's be honest. Like Texas right because it's at the border. You're saying states in America, yeah. It is, it is the country. It, well, so let me get it,

let me tell you how this works, right? So where, think thing, they like the drug market, where the drugs sold. They're sold in the wealthy school district, not in the poor school district, right? They're dealt out of the poor school district, sold to the wealthy school district, because that's where the money is.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. To see, to see and reason people who have banks. Who is that money? Who is that money? The Dutch guy who was abducting girls in like a Rubin and selling them to sing a song. Auto, or fun, business or something. Yeah, and he'd still be getting away with it

if that girl didn't die. It's exports in Bahamas. And so for other countries, like I was just in Kiev, helping their law enforcement with some of their human trafficking issues, all the human trafficking that's happening over there is primarily exported out to other countries, to wealthy Western European countries and Americans, right?

And actually a lot of Chinese increasingly. So when you start looking at it through that lens, most of the trafficking is happening there. People think about things like Cambodia and Vietnam and Thailand. There's a lot of cultural trafficking that's happening there. So you actually have parents or trafficking their children that happens a lot in the United States as well. So when you look at the trafficking piece,

like it's so nuanced and it's so complicated, and there's so many arguments in there on the libertarian side and what kind of trafficking are you talking about. Predominant form of trafficking in the world is labor trafficking. That's actually the predominant form, even here in the United States.

I mean, slavery's been pretty popular for a couple thousand years. Yeah. So we tend to look at the, we tend to focus on the commercial sex side, but there's labor trafficking, there's organ trafficking, babies being grown in a country I was just in, specifically to harvest their organs. I mean, like really, really horrific stuff. Like those are the things that we need to be focused on,

not the, our children being sold in the... This is your day-to-day life seeing the absolute worst of what we do all day every day. You live every day. Every day. 10 hours, 12 hours a day every day. How do you not go crazy? How do you not go crazy?

Yeah, I'm like, how do you not lose your mind? I mean, so this is in my first rodeo at this. I mean, my entire career was, you know, counter narcotics and counterterrorism. So, I mean, I've seen some pretty horrific stuff. I've got 30 short tour combat deployments and you frickin' pick the stand I've fought there. So this is just, I mean, this is just the way that God made me. And, and, and

it's not me. I mean, I'm, I'm lucky enough that I get to be the point man on all of this, but I have a team that is absolutely world class. And that's what we do at the liver fund. We go find the best and brightest. So let me ask you on every thing you just said, everything you just said would wife fair with pizza gate, that's not real. What stories that you hear going viral is real. Like I know you're debunking one by one by one. What are some of the stories that we hear about? I said, no, that is real. This is real, that is fake.

Yeah, so there was one on your, your call sheet here that had, was about a girl in Nova Scotia, or mom in Nova Scotia, whose mother, or whose daughter was being groomed for human trafficking and social media. Halifax, is that what you're talking about? That's the one. Yeah, CBC news.

I mean, but you also see that on TikTok every day. Every single day. Every single day. Every single day. Every single day. Every single day. Every single day. Every single day.

Every single day. Every single day. Every single day. Every single day. Every single day. Every single I mean, dance moms. It's insane. So that's the real, so think about it this way. National Center for Missing Exploited Children, very, very reputable source, incredible organization. They found in a five year period they had an 846% increase in suspected child trafficking cases. Why?

And that's just children. That doesn't mean 20 year old college girls or anything like that, just children. That doesn't mean 20-year-old college girls or anything like that. Just children. It's the smartphone. Right? It's a broadband connected micro computer that allows you to order a child to your hotel room the same way you can order a pizza and for about the same price. So and and why? That's always the question we've got to ask is why did that happen?

Well the reason why is because for the first time in history a And why? That's always the question we've got to ask is why did that happen? Well, the reason why is because for the first time in history, a non-familiar 40-year-old man who's 2,000 miles away from a 12-year-old girl who just said she's married or dead, which is every 12-year-old girl at some point, right? At the very moment of vulnerability, that man can start grooming that girl over a period or an increasingly boys Over a period of of days to months to sometimes years in order to bring her in and then once once he's got her in and it's a

Numbers game for him. It's a business. You're saying they're messaging Yeah, I saw that you just posted something your mad. I'm here for you buddy. Whatever dad's trying to keep you from growing up Right, you know, he just want you to be his little girl. You're something you're mad. I'm here for you, buddy. Whatever. Dad's trying to keep you from growing up, right? He just wants you to be his little girl. You're so pretty. Hey, give me a photo. Hey, give me a better photo. Hey, give me a better photo. This is the part where Chris Hanson normally walks.

Exactly. That photo that you just sent me. Yeah, I'm going to actually post that on your grade school Facebook page if you don't send me more photos, right? That's called sex extortion. And then, which is actually a form of human trafficking, and then it just gets, you know, worse and worse and worse. Now I need you to meet me.

And they know that they've got to talk to 10 girls. I mean, just make them happy to be here, right? They got to talk to 10 girls, to get five, to communicate with them, to get three to agree to a meeting, to get one to actually show up. And that one who shows up. It's a freaking sales funnel. It's a freaking sales funnel.

It's an absolute sales funnel. Now look at it this way too. And this is a, this kind of brings it all back to what we were talking about before, which is really the commonitization of women. When, I mean, we speak on this issue all over the world. And when we talk about girls getting trafficked, people are like, oh, yeah, man, that's really sad.

And that's really sad. Talk about boys getting trafficked and people are like, oh yeah, man, that's really sad. And that's really sad. Talk about boys getting trafficked and people freaking our up and arms are like, that's absolutely not, where are they? We're gonna be pito hunters. We're gonna go after these guys, absolutely. It goes the other way. It goes the other way.

So why do people get so angry when they hear that boys are trafficked, but they just get sad when they hear that boys are trafficked, but they just get sad when they hear that girls are trafficked. Right? And that is a societal question. It's because we are groomed, and we could talk about media and all that, from a very young age to commoditize women and girls. So when you hear about women and girls being being sold, you expect it. When you hear about it happening with boys. Very interesting. Very interesting, right? Very interesting with you. Now, you know, listen, for me, this is a very, there's certain topics that my blood

boils. Obviously, do you see the last rambo? Do you guys watch the last rambo? Yeah, the whole thing with his knees when he goes across the border was a Rambo was the greatest that it was Rambo. You talk about it. Yeah, Rambo. It was Rambo. Yeah. Yeah, you didn't see the last Rambo. It's about human trafficking. Okay, I'll touch the guys. Yeah. Let me tell you it's a story about his knees being human traffic and in Mexico and then When you get when you have a family when you. And then when you have a family, when you have something happens when you have kids. Taken another movie. Taken, Liam Neeson, I can't watch those movies.

I watch Liam Neeson, I want to, you know, it produces a certain kind of energy. And a certain set of skills. A certain set of skills. And nice skills if I find you. I will find you. And I find you. You know, that whole thing.

I will kill you. Yeah, I will kill you. But... And then Man on Fire becomes a followed documentary. Oh, I have these guys watching one night when we put it up. Hold it, yeah. Oh, they're the setty-setty. Yeah, but it sets you as what you're saying.

It's very, very good. You've got kids. Here's what's weird though. Here's what's weird. So, we can sit there and talk about vaccine. You'll have the conversation. We can sit there and talk about war Afghanistan conversation. We can sit and talk about a lot of different topics and People will listen to it. This is one of those topics that's very uncomfortable to listen to

So because it's uncomfortable to listen to I wonder how much of media covers this Because people don't want to hear this don't want to hear this, don't want to listen to this, don't want to think, but it needs to be talked about because it's happening. Because once you're in it, you don't know you're in a web like, are we going to post your picture on the school? What's your response to that? Do you say, let me go talk to my mommy and daddy mommy, this guy just said he's going to do this, what do I do? Do I talk to my friends? Do I work? You're in a web. What makes it uncomfortable, Pat?

Yeah. What makes it uncomfortable, you know, is what Nick said earlier. It's, you have to come to terms with, they're not the bad guy. I'm the guy, go on to the strip club. I'm the guy going to the basketball. I am enabling this.

And that's a very hard thing, you know, it's like, you look into the darkness and the darkness looks back, right? So it's like, but the thing is Nick, man, we're not conditioned to view women as commodity. Like the woman is the commodity on earth. It brings life. It's it is the number one thing in the world. The female body keeps our species going. It is the most precious thing in the world, the female body keeps our species going. It is the most precious thing on earth.

I mean, there have been wars fought over women. I'm gonna be trying. I mean, there's women, like everything that a man has ever done on earth, the reason that we sit in that traffic, the reason that we work is to keep that woman happy. I live in a cardboard box if I don't give a shit. I would've been nice. Exactly. Everything that we do is a keep that woman happy. I live in a cardboard box if I don't give a shit. I would've been nice. Exactly.

Everything that we do is a, you said something the other episode, you're like, I wanna know what that chick looked like. Yeah, who are you talking about? That was a Trojan War over. That's what he's saying in questions. They have to, who I'd wanna have dinner with. That's what I wanna try.

I need to know what you look like. It's too confident in War over. Can I ask you a question though? Yes. Because you brought up the commoditization of women and the outrage of boys and the shock factor and the sadness with women. Let me pose something for you.

We here a teacher, male teacher, molests his 15 year old student that's disgusting. It's fucking ridiculous. We hear the same female teacher has sex with a 15 year old boy. What's up, homie? How you thought that? What's up with that?

So I don't have the educational background in dissect that's a very animated question. But what I can't say, if a 16 year old boy bangs his teacher, you know all the homies are like, what up, bro? Is this a personal question? Are you like, are you like, are you going to go something you want to get off your chest? Yeah, yeah.

There was a teacher when I was 16, I wish I had that story. But we riff over. We have a, no. So all these different questions that we came down to, like these aren't problems I could solve. You know what problem I can solve? And we're really good at solving

is going after the human trafficker. Because the common denominator in the whole equation is a human trafficker, right? You cannot have a human trafficking victim if you do not have a human trafficker. That's why we focus all of our time, intention, and resources on going after that human trafficker because I can't solve the commoditization of women issue, right? It's a national conversation we have to have and I'm going gonna get tons of heat for this, but you can also make an argument that that women in some sense actually want to be commoditized, but by only by the right person, right?

So, like, I can't solve that problem. You're gonna be great comedy bit right there, man. I can't solve that problem, but what I can solve is going after that human trafficker, to make sure that when that vulnerable girl says that she is mad at her dad, there's nobody there to exploit that moment, right? So again, you look at the businesses that you build, it's all about the problems you can solve and not focusing on those and not getting distracted by the ones that you can't. I can't solve that stuff.

And even if a dreamer's a Chrome is real, let's say that, you know, people really are drinking the blood of children in their basement. One, we're going to see it in the data eventually, and we don't see it. Two, you're going to see at least some prosecutions, because is there corruption in law enforcement and in the judicial system? Absolutely. Are they all corrupt? No, they're not. And I think this whole Epstein case just proves that. So we, we, we're going to see in the data eventually, we're going to see it in the prosecutions. What we are going to, what we, what we need to focus on primarily is what is actually happening at, at scale within the business of human trafficking. And that's that human trafficker exploiting a girl

on social media transferring her to another platform and then getting her in that stable. And the reason that I say we can reduce human trafficking by 80% globally. And why I think we can actually do that is because that 80% increase happened because of technology. So by taking that technology focus and actually using that weapon, it should be catching up.

Way easier. And the Achilles heel of human, that what is actually happening in human trafficking is that they have to advertise, right? Price is bottomed out. Yeah. They got to do business at scale, right? Well, not, well, not. Well, not, well, not, well, not. Well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, well, not, well, not, well, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, well, not, well, not, well, not, well, well, not, well, not, well, well, not, well, not, well, well got to do business at scale, right? Well, not one. Well, not one. Advertisers scale. Yes, and no more.

No, no, I mean, now thanks to DiBlazio, they can just walk around the streets in the York, and then, you know, they're like, you know, do do door to door. But one thing real quick, Tom, I mean, you keep saying the human trafficker, you know, it might not understand that this is these are one offs. I had always thought that this was entire rings and that this was a syndicate, that this was gangs and... No, it's a lot like terrorism these days, right? Terrorism is, you know, within al-Qaeda and ISIS in these different groups, it's a top-down hierarchy, but for the most part, it's just a loose affiliation of like minds, right?

And you have the same thing within within the human trafficking market. I mean they will the these human traffickers will coordinate if you go to The Instagram handle at Cara the Huntress who's one of our senior targeting analysts. She actually breaks She has a whole Seer YouTube series called hunting with the Huntress and she actually breaks down what these human traffickers are doing They they share best practices. They have conferences where they get together and talk about how they're going to do different things. And what's the best practice for moving money? And we've infiltrated their groups. And they talk to us, like they think they're talking other traffickers. I mean, it's actually a lot of fun for us. That's crazy. It's a

business. It's a business. They do it for money. It's a business. They do it for money. It's not ideology. They do it for money. This is money. I have a question for you. Just a quick parting question here. So we have the 13th, and we have to decide whether we're going to defend the courting or not.

Maybe we're going to take it seriously. So in crisis has usually brought the good side of government, right? Jimmy Carter created the Department of Energy because of the oil embargo and the crisis that we face. George Bush, please conspiracy theorists don't hit us on this. George Bush created the Department of Homeland Security because we discovered new enemies, new methods. If you look at this, you say technology has enabled this to become so bad. You know, maybe it's not a cabinet position

or a government department. But if the Dems are serious about the value of individuals, we have to help the poor and do all this. And the Republicans are serious on the conservative side about the preciousness of life or day and by God and abortion. If we're both in agreement on that, then we should both be saying, why don't we fund whether it's a government

agency or part of the FBI to fight something that is now technology enabled and is running at speed and scale. What are your thoughts? Please not the FBI. We need to regulate tech. We need to. And there's not a single tech CEO that has said that there needs to be no regulation of tech, right? I mean, we need to amend CDA230.

We need to regulate tech. It is, there's actually a very good book. CDA230, if you can say what that is. Oh, sorry, the Communications Decency Act Rule 230, Electron Affrontier Foundation is going to go after me for saying that. But we need to, I mean, the reality is we have a choice to make in this country. Do we want to continue to have an unregulated internet that allows the exploitation of children or do we not? It is a binary choice and we need to make that choice. Now, what is very, very important,

and I say this as somebody who 17 years of federal service, do not let the government lead that effort. Yeah, that's... The government should canonize that effort. But the tech industries, the business leaders, should be the ones at the table wrestling over what that regulation is and what they can and can't do. Let me give you a good example. Up until Deliver Fund created the software platform,

it was virtually impossible for a bank to find human trafficking within the bank. We created a technology platform that allows banks to find those human traffickers at scale in an automated fashion. So now we can use ThinSyn and the anti-money laundering laws to start shutting down human trafficking. So we need to regulate tech. We need to enforce the laws that we have on the books. We don't need another government agency. Please know what we need is the business community. I mean, commerce is what drives this country. Business is what made this country what it is.

Why we are more successful than any for the lack of a better term empire than the world has ever seen in a shorter time than anybody's ever seen, it's because of commerce and business and our liberty. And so we need to use our liberty as the business community to fight human trafficking and take responsibility for human traffickers using our platforms. That's what gets to the bottom of it, and that's what ultimately ends it. And as long as the government provides those businesses with safe harbor, saying, if you do these things, we're not gonna hold you accountable

for human trafficking that happens on your platform, that solves the problem. I wanna ask you one other question, since we have some time here with you, and we have here in regards to Iran. This is a different story that we talked about before. Top Iranian general revenge for Soleimani death to happen with the US. No one will forget what we do and that's Iran's saying it.

No one will forget what we do. This is a daily wire story. Iran, Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, the IRGC Brigadier General, Esmaili, Ronin, Commander of Iran, elite, Quds Force, threatened last week that the revenge Iran will seek for death of Rosemar Khassam Soleimani, the former Commander of the IRGC Corps, will happen within the United States. He said we will prepare grounds for the hard revenge against the US from within their homes as we do need do not need to be present As supervisors everywhere wherever is necessary we take revenge against Americans by the help of people on their side

What a thing to say right there by the help of people on their side and Within their homes without our presence I'm gonna read that one more time because it's too powerful of a statement that he made. We will prepare ground for the hard revenge against the US from within their homes as we do not need to be present as supervisors everywhere. Wherever is necessary, we take revenge against Americans by the help of the people on their site

and within their homes without our presence, talking about former President Donald Trump and former Secretary, State Mike Pompeo, who advocated for the strike behind the scenes. Ronnie said all of the criminals who are on the scene from the U.S. criminal, from the criminal U.S. president to all those behind the crime of assassination of Soleimani are under our magnifying glass. Do you think this is just talk or do you think they're actually going to do something? I think the Iranians are an incredibly intelligent people. They definitely play the long game and they mean what they

say. The assassination of Sohomani, I have a lot of mixed feelings about that because like that was a bad dude. He was on a lot of target decks, but cooler heads always said, let's not do this. It's important to understand who So, Amani is, right? Americans don't get it. So, Amani was essentially the equivalent of the director of the CIA and the Secretary of Defense and the National Security Advisor,

all wrapped into one person. Yeah, he could have potentially ended up being the leader of Iran. That was one of the guys. He was on the Jagger Hoover's. He was the shot collar, right? I mean more than that. He had he had more power than the president of Iran, right? He was Jay at the right.

He ran Ike combined. Yeah. Think about it that way. Those two personalities combined. So so is he a bad guy who is causing us a lot of problems Absolutely, and is he is personally responsible for the death of many many us soldiers, but it is very hard to to overstate the In fact, you can't overstate the importance of that one event and the ripple affection the repercussions now

This is where our short-term system actually causes us problems, because if you were always gonna have a president that was willing to commit an assassination at that level in office, frickin' brilliant move. The problem is that every four years, you potentially have a guy who wants to talk to killers, right? And there's only one language a guy like Suimani understands, and there's only one language

that the IA tolas respect. And you can look at this on the geopolitical scale, like what happens, right? When certain people are in office, what does Putin do? When other people are in office, what does Putin do? Right, I mean, these are smart leaders, and you gotta keep in mind, in that part of the world, you lose an election, you don't go on your speaking to a run for Senate, right?

You get a bullet in the back of the head. So this is survival for these people. So your best and brightest in often cases really do rise to the top. And more importantly, if you rose to the top, like Suleimani did, I mean, it's not only do you know where the body's buried, you've still got the shovel.

So those are very, very bright people. And we need to keep that in mind. And it's very important for the American populace and listeners to understand that these are not dirt farmers in Afghanistan. These are very, very, very smart people who think generationally and know how to hold a grudge. But to do that, but to really get back at holding the grudge.

So we talked about this a year and a half ago. I don't know if you remember this. We talked about a year ago when Trump was president. We talked about this conversation. When it happened, we talked about this exactly. I was a year and a half ago. Yeah. And I pretty much we said the same thing about where he runs that.

They're not going to forget. They're not going to remember you. You were very adamant about that. They're not going to forget. They are not going to forget. And they're going to time it. If they're going to do something today's it would be the season to do it because the current administration's not going to necessarily want to do anything and retaliate however knowing if they really

do want to get back at Pompeo and Trump know, say 2024 comes around and Trump and Pompeo get back in and then they're president. Would they do it now? Would they do it then? Because revenge you got to do when the other person is alive. You can't do when the other guy's gone. Or would they sit there and say, you know what we're going to wait because we know if we do something while Trump is around, he's going to retaliate that.

Yeah. Trump's turn around and say, if you even think about it, because you know the retaliation was they bombed somewhere that was a distance they said yeah we retaliated but they didn't do nothing. It was just to kind of a few of. They shot they shot down a Ukrainian airliner days later. Let's not forget that. Ukraine has been a pivot point in the war between the Soviets and Iran and the US and Israel for the last 30 years. So they were like, oh, well, we accidentally shot down the Ukrainian airliner.

You accidentally shot it down with an anti-aircraft missile, but you were cleaning it and you didn't know it was loaded and it went on. Well, you're already out of bulk. I got three things on that pad, three things. We were filming something else. One is, man, what a sad state of affairs that we're actually have to sit here and be like, oh, as Americans, like, what if Ron got mad at us?

What if, like that's what a sad state of affairs? Do something, bitch. We're United States of America. I beg you, I dare you. Please, please do it. Watch what happens. It's two and three years. That's, that's, that should be our mentality.

As a nation, that should be our mentality. Be like, I wish a mother's sucker would, but instead of saying, oh God, I'm like, what if they do this? What if we fall in so far, so fast, with as a nation, as a people, we fall in so far, so fast, as a nation, as a people, we fall in so far, so fast, that you're right, that that's the general thought right now. That's a bad thing, too.

You talk about the human traffickers, they have this, you know, they treat it as a business, they have this loose coalition. How tight are the autocrats of the Middle East and the East? Are Putin, Xi, the Ayatollah, are they in communication one another? Are they coordinating against the West, do you think, or no? That's a me.

Yeah. 100%. In fact, I think the Xi-Putin relationship is probably the most under-reported geopolitical problem that we have right now. I mean, you think it's coincidence that China is rattling a saber at Taiwan and, you know, Russia is on the border of Ukraine simultaneously. I mean, that's not.

And then by the way, Putin is playing hardball right now. I mean, you've seen him on media recently, what he's been saying. What's his incentive not to? Yeah, he's flat out. Came out of the fight. Let me read the story since you're bringing him up. And then I'll turn it to you to you Gerard is Russia's pushing Finland and Sweden toward NATO This is a Bloomberg story last month the Russian foreign minister came in the comments about Finland and Sweden and the Canadian Displeasure with the idea of either joining the alliance But this approach may well have back fired on the Russians and increased the desire of both

Nordic nations to seriously consider membership. It represents an opportunity for NATO, given the character, geography, and military capability of the two countries, technologically both nations, operate high and combat equipment, notably the Swedish Air Force, which flies locally, produce, sub-grippin strike fighters. These were used to excellent military effect in combat operations, and Libyan 2011 under my command Philan just ordered 64 Lockheed Martin F-35 fighters the most advanced combat aircraft in the world and then I'll read the story Prior to that which goes with it about Blinken. This is a real clear politics story if Russia attacks Ukraine NATO will reinforce the Baltic states and Poland

Secretary state Anthony Billkin said Blinken said that negotiation with Russia over Ukraine attacks Ukraine. NATO will reinforce the Baltic states and Poland. Secretary of State Anthony Billkin said that negotiation with Russia over Ukraine continued and warned if Russia commits renewed aggression against Ukraine. I think it's a very fair prospect that NATO will reinforce its positions along the eastern flank the countries that border Russia, Poland and the Baltic Republic of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia are the only members of NATO directly, bordering Russia. How we got here is because Russia's committed repeated acts of aggression against its neighbors, going back more than a decade, Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine in 2014, and now the prospect of doing that again,

Blinken said, do you think Russia or Putin listens to Blinken and says, oh my gosh, that's just scared. Do you think that's what Putin says when he hears Blinken speak? I don't think so now. I mean, I think words are useless and your actions are the only thing that matter. And they look at Afghanistan and they go, really? We've heard you talk before Blinken. And so, I mean, I don't think so. Again, you just look at what, look at what they do during one administration versus the next. Yeah, right. I mean, I don't think so. Again, you just look at what they do during one administration versus the next, right?

I mean, I think you focus on what people do, as opposed to what they say. Lots of talks. I'm never concerned about what I see Russia doing. I'm always concerned about what I don't see them doing. Why they're creating a distraction in one place and what are they doing somewhere else? Great. I mean, they produce some of the greatest chess players in the world. Yeah. Thinking through the strategy of the long term.

Proxy, proxy, proxy, non-stop. Well, that was all his game. That was my third question. That's what he did with Armenian Azerbaijan. It said non-stop proxy. What just happened with Kazakhstan? Yeah. I mean, very interesting. Under reported color revolution in Kazakhstan

like they overthrew their entire their entire government overnight and they arrested them. But there's something that that was reported that was denied immediately before anybody knew it was reported which made it very very suspect about the the the bio weapons load that apparently Russia had stolen bio weapons from an American facility in Kazakhstan and it was denied before it was reported which was very very very strange. It came out in the Daily Mail it was never even reported in America. So you know like you talk talk about these proxy wars and you know these coordinated you know efforts by these autocrats and you say man we're running out of proxies. We're we're running out of these border countries to have these color revolutions.

And like eventually, the borders are gonna meet each other and you're not gonna be able to push anymore. I mean, look, America isn't gonna call a color revolution right now. You can disagree about it, call it conspiracy, all you want. Look at the definition of a color revolution. You think anything that happened over the last three years came from inside our borders?

Or do you think there were people inside our borders that were working with international factions? We talk about this all the time. How high a rub? How high a rub? As high as it goes, you have global interest versus local interest now, Pat. I think we're, we've talked about this

and we don't have a lot of time to go into it, unfortunately. But you have people in our country who are not elected officials. And I think that this is what's happened to our government. Why we're so vulnerable right now, like you were saying, is because, look, whatever the administration was, we always had

the Senate, we always had Congress, right? We always, they always had their constituents in mind. For lack of a better term, they were the voice of the people. And then, you know, whoever our leader was, right, left, whatever, it was a small variance. That's not a lot of difference. It really, when you think about it, not a ton of difference between Reagan,

Bush, Warren, Clinton, not a ton of difference. Little bit here, little bit there, little spending this way, little spending that way. But mostly the same type of person, politically anyway, right? 40-yard lines. 40-yard lines, perfect example, right? Now we have these massive swings entire party wide. You have a Senate that can't function

unless it has a clear majority, right? So now everything is a national and a global issue. There is no local issues anymore. And our leaders who are elected by us are not beholden to us. They're beholden to global interests. There's nothing that nobody can convince me differently. And it's not just Nancy Pelosi, Mitch McConnell the same way. They're more interested in what

China and the EU and the UN have to say than they are their district in San Francisco, or Virginia. And you can't convince me otherwise. And that's a major problem. That's a huge issue. How high rubbed though? How high rubbed you think you think even presidents Are playing on other, you know, different interests where they're worried about a big guy getting deals in the Ukraine. Yeah, I mean Yeah, I mean look again, this one back to 15 points for the big guy 15 But this this right here man this first one thing about Putin so Putin This is not a guy that when he threatens he's just threatening you go to a bar Guy says if you do that again, I'm gonna punch you in the face nine out of 10 times

It's what the guys just talking shit just talking one out of 10 time is Putin He's not gonna he's not even gonna tell you he's just gonna punch you in the He's not a guy that punches. He's just gonna punch you in the face. He's nothing out of the punches, anyway. He's actually spying on you. But the point is, that's a nice point. Dream gets poisoned. That's a clear answer.

You're looking no volume on a plate. Radiated salad. You know, he's gonna give you the Polonium hairspray as he walks past you. What is dying of hospital? So look, let's add it on a message. I hope though, Pat. And I'm like, all right, so what?

Hello, we just got word, we got a few more minutes because I got to go to the airport at 11.30. So we got time. Oh, cool. Yeah. So, who is the you working for America? Like you're doing God's work, working for, you know, the most vulnerable amongst us. Tom made a great point before.

You know, in my limited government worldview, government, I'm not an anarchist. Government has a place. It's to protect the most vulnerable amongst us. And if our government with $9 trillion at its disposal over the last three years can't protect or is unwilling to protect the most vulnerable, why should it exist? If it doesn't function at its baseline of upholding the Constitution of the United States and protecting the most vulnerable among us. Why should it exist and why should we be giving them any

more money? Got a OC I know you sick I hope this doesn't upset you while you're sick and watching but why should we get these people even a dollar more if they can't even do that now? And what if they're not doing that? If they're not looking out for American citizens and if they're not looking out for the most vulnerable among us if it falls on on private sector to do it then what are they doing with the money? Oh, I can tell you what they're doing the money but I probably get myself in a lot of trouble. Spending a lot of it on defense, there's spending a lot of it on social security, spending a lot of on Medicare, a lot on Medicaid, a lot of mean, hang on.

Hey, I know where he's going. We spend less than 4% of the GDP on defense. We actually need to increase that number to support. Well, what percentage of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, that's where we get it. That's where 90% of it goes. So it's by thinking he's also going to get all the entitlements. I think that's the entitlements.

Correct. It's the entitlements in the waste. Here's a great example. Afghanistan's a black eye on our country. Pretty much everybody agrees with that regardless of where you are politically. The ex-advast fall. You're saying the sloppy execution, starting in Reagan. I mean, you look at the whole history of it, it goes all the way back to Reagan. Charlie Wilson's war.

Back to Charlie Wilson's war. I mean, everyone's got a culpability in it. We've freed the people, but we have to Charlie Wilson's war. I mean, everyone's got culpability in it. We've freed the people, but we have to up the end yet. Who lost their job over that? Where's the accountability, right? You weren't working for Pat. Pat would send you packet and he would help you go, you know, excel elsewhere, but it's not gonna be one of his companies

if you screw up that bad as my guess, right? Because there's accountability. Where is the accountability, right? You look at the way that's- This is the ARC thing, you say accountability? Where is the accountability? Right? You look at the way that the ARC thing is accountability This is the responsibility. This is the responsibility. It's supposed to be us and There's my point. So the Russians have the internet research the IRA the internet research agency, right? It's basically a huge troll farm. So they you know, how are they gonna hit us? I think was your question while go're going to use our liberties against us.

They're just going to feed the right people, get them into the right echo chamber, and then radicalize them. It's called college. Because that's what they do. Yeah. The Russians, the Russians, and the Communists talk about taking over academia.

Academia, I mean, there's plenty of YouTube videos about this from Communist Party meetings. And so when we look at this, I would actually say, we as the people are the us. So you want a deliver fund doing counter human trafficking work. You don't want the government doing counter human trafficking work for this very reason, right?

You want them arresting people because no private citizen should have the ability to restrict the liberty of another private citizen. That's what you need the government for. But where does that actual work? What's the number of people on violence? We talk about the military industrial complex. Guess what?

There's a recent Russia doesn't have F-35s because they don't have a dine-core or an ortho-grum and that has a capitalist incentive in order to make a better and better weapon. So we need those things. But at the same time, we as a people need to keep that in check and say, all right, let's regulate tech so that we can keep these foreign actors out. Nobody wants that more than the tech companies. Let's incentivize them to make sure

that they have safe harbor and they have a reason, a business case to regulate themselves, to self-regulate the same way that banks do with anti-money laundering laws. You look at the banking system, I think, is actually the best one, right? With the banking system and the way that anti-money laundering laws work is a really, really good model for countering foreign

acts. Let me give you some pushback on that, because tech isn't, again, even though they may be American companies, they're very clearly alphabet in particular, very, very clearly beholden to foreign interests. But that's why we need to regulate them because, of course, who's regulating them? So one, you said the government should regulate them, which I agree, but then when they self-regulate, look at what they're doing, they can demonetize. They demonetize people who have been proven to tell the truth, me among them, they've taken down pages, they've taken down posts.

Patches had an interview that was taken down. I know. For what? For what reason? With that. So that's, they've taken down posts. Patches had an interview that was taken down for what? For what reason? So that's, that's their regulating right now. They're self-regulating right now, but that's not their sense. I say, I say the government, government needs to regulate them. We, and by the government, I mean, we, the people need to regulate them by telling our politicians what regulations we want. I mean, I hate to make a slippery slow bargain, but I mean, I just read Tyler, if you can pull it up, there's a guy who's been number two of the FBI

for 16 years. And he said that, you know, conservatives should be put in reeducation camps that there needs to be surveillance on anybody who's donated to a right wing candidate in America. This isn't the number two. Sure. At the FBI.

And it doesn't. That's who's going to regulate. And at the same time, do you know where the two percent our community came from? On the far right came from military predominantly within the special operations community. So we got to keep in mind that within the government, there is a, the government, the people who work

in the government are of the people, right? So with it within a military, I mean, you would know better, but yes, no, I, 99% of the people working in CIA are Ivy Leakers now. That's not true. Is that of the people? No, that is not true. That is not true at all.

Most of the people, that was the case in the 50s. Most of the people at the CIA want you to believe they're an Ivy Leaker, and I say this as an Ivy Leaker who worked at the CIA want you to believe they're an Ivy leager and I say this as an Ivy leager who worked at the CIA. I'm like, I was a very conservative guy. I'm a Christian conservative guy, pretty easy to figure out where I stand politically. And yet I was a country chief for a Connecticut unit within the CIA, within a classified unit. So, the point is, how did I raise such a high level so quick?

The political ideology and a lot of the conspiracy theories that you hear about that internally, just doesn't get taken into account. I know folks at the FBI who are about as far right as you can get. Also, no folks who are about as far left as you can. I don't want that. I don't want that. I can be right or left, Nick. I'm just saying, what was the last president we have

to go to when I was in school? What was the last vice president we have to go to when I was in school? What was the last secretary state we had to go to when I was in school? That's a whole other conversation because at the end of the day, that's just not all the people though. But the people who make the government run are of the people. I mean, they very much are. The soldiers on the ground in Afghanistan are not conservative.

You would actually find the major majority of your soldiers on the ground, especially within the conventional ranks, or actually you would probably consider them pretty liberal. I would imagine so because they come, most of them are going to come from economically, economically, challenge areas. That's not true. Is it not true?

No, that is not true. That is total myth. In fact, when you look at the military writ large, and I don't know if this was your experience, it's predominantly middle class. It's predominantly middle class. You can describe as middle class. How wide of a birth, are you giving that?

I mean, I would say, dad is usually blue-collared, making somewhere, I mean, in my days, so that was the 90s, you know, 50 to 100 a year. If you're making 100 K and I, well, you're crushing it, you're making 100 K and Jersey, you're barely good. Right, but about 80% of the military is, or I'm sorry, most of the military actually comes from rural America and rural America is about 80%

of the population of, or at least the land area. You're saying it's not the bottom 20% is that's not the bottom 20%? No, not at all. Not at all. A lot of lot of college educated, a lot of college educated, people who in the reason this is an important part of the conversation is there's this myth that people join the military because they have no other option. I had tons of options. I don't know, appointment to the Air Force Academy, and I chose to be an enlisted guy,

because that's the job I wanted to do. I wanted to get back and I wanted to serve, right? Pat had plenty of options, right? But you shouldn't have a lot of them. Nope, I had a one-pointed Japan high school. So I'm more from the story that Easter, I was low-income, welfare baby, that I joined the military.

But when I was in, and I'm thinking about it, it was a lot of middle income families that joined, it was middle and low. I can't give you a lot of folks who were from, you know, great families. And if they were, not great families, money making families, and if they were, they went straight into being officers,

it wasn't enlisted. Well, you don't become enlisted. You made a choice. Guys, like you would have never been enlisted. A, you don't become enlisted. You made a choice. Guys like you would have never been enlisted. A lot of guys like you, when I remember that, they went straight to becoming, you know, second lieutenants day one, first lieutenants captain, that's the route they took, at least when I was at that unit.

I think a lot of the, and I ran into this at the CIA too, there were a lot of folks from very wealthy families who were very quiet about the fact that they were from very wealthy families, right? And they, they, they, they, they, there's a minority group there. I don't disagree that that's that is a minority. I don't know if that's a majority. What, what I will say about what Gerard is saying right now. So Everybody wants some sort of accountability with the social media companies. We were talking about the human trafficking earlier. Somebody just sent an email right now saying it wasn't Cindy Lopper, was Cindy Lopez, Cindy Lopper's wasn't underage model. This was just sent by somebody named Jesse. So it was an underage

model. But going back to it, the control is what becomes a worry. Like the other day I sent a message out saying, so there's one thing that's constant in the last two elections So Trump was president the worst day for cases COVID cases was 300,000 COVID cases in a day and that was Under Trump, okay, and I think it was like January 8 or January 6 some day like that that we had 300,000 COVID cases in a day Now it's Biden in the last, the average for the last week is 713 cases per day. We had a day with 1 million 18,000 cases

in the last seven days. So that's Trump. That's Biden. Trump got impeached. The only thing that's been constant between Trump and Biden is who? Only one name. That's been constant.

It's Fauci. To me, it's not about firing. Trump is not about firing Biden. It's you've got to fire Fauci, the NIH director. And then somebody commented back and said something very interesting. I said, you know, we need somebody that's younger, more energetic to do this. And somebody said, I don't think this is the job of one person I think we need a committee. I think we need some people that are on one side and some people that are on the other side that are debating each other

And they're kind of coming out and saying here's what we agreed on it's like almost a vote. You know how we have a 47 you know four three or vote of us Totally agree. I said you know what that makes a lot of sense just like we have a Supreme Court I think what the COVID situation taught us is we can't have one guy making decisions It is catastrophic for this one guy But if we got a 4-3 and just like you're nominating people into Supreme Court You're nominating people into this NIH whatever court that we're having let them have the banter and debate But this this is where I agree kind of what Gerard is saying.

Okay. So you said the DOJ has an 82% conviction, 86% that they're going after and somebody said the reason why DOJ doesn't is because it's the DOJ that's involved in a lot of different things that they're doing. Okay, fine, that's a conspiracy coming out. Let's just say there's some credibility behind that being said, who the hell do you trust to hold people accountable? You know if this guy from PBS that just got fired or this you know FBI

your number to Andrew McCabe calls for feds to treat mainstream conservatives like Democrat terrorists if domestic terror if a guy like this is making comments like this and he's at the FBI and he's at the FBI and he wants to silence people like a Malone or a Peter McCull or roll get or that's the FBI. That's the number two. No, this guy's got a major bone to pick with Trump though. You remember what happened with him and Trump right? Trump fired him like two days before he was looking to basically be retired. It doesn't matter. I just I just I don't know. I agree with accountability, but I also agree with who the hell is holding who accountable?

Because the wrong person holding somebody accountable things get worse. Look what happened Twitter Jack Dorsey's a guy that's running Twitter, right? The day they switch on who's running Twitter seal all of a sudden all Malonga kicked off Twitter because the new seal not the old See he was saying the same thing when dorsi was a lot the devil You know, yeah, so sometimes the person holding people accountable You're excited about it, but a lot of people right now all the people that hate a dorsi guess what a lot of people are saying right now Can we kind of get this dorsi guy back? You know what I'm saying? We miss him on Twitter So so who holds to people account as the question you do and you are here's here's my point and this is why this is why I'm excited And this is why I think that You know people talk about podcasts and like everyone's doing one now. Oh, okay, that's true

But some of them are really important look at the audience you have you're probably reaching more people than CNN will today. Well look at we're Joe They're over. Yeah exactly and by himself probably by himself Probably reaches I mean he is a network, a complete powerhouse. And he actually probably reaches more people than CNN, MSNBC, and Fox News combined, combined. Yep. And now think about what you just said.

Now extrapolate the second third order. It's actually further than that. But that's, Stelter came out was last night or two nights ago and he was like basically crying on air. He's like, it's like the people I talked to don't believe us, what we're saying anymore. But that's my point is that because of the new media, and I think the new media, we don't.

I think the monetization behind the new media, all of these platforms, like I am the biggest, I'm not really much of a user of social media. I'm trying to get better, but I am the biggest, I'm not really much of a user of social media. I'm trying to get better, but I am incredibly excited about social media because this was not possible 10 years ago. This is possible today.

This is an entire business whole today. Totally grew into you. And so the kid who doesn't have the right pedigree who literally is just scrappy in a critical thinker the kid who doesn't have the right pedigree who literally is just scrappy and a critical thinker and really good at resource allocation. We know that because he built a successful business, right, what politician is good at resource allocation, they actually are terrible at it.

Another Elon Musk quote there, right? Elon Musk said that. So when you start looking at it through that lens, it's like, well, actually, it's the new media that I think will save us. Let me tell you what it's like. Based on what you're saying here, here's what I will tell you. I love the fact that Spotify is based out of Sweden.

You have no idea how important Spotify is right now. I will guarantee you a lot of people in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, yeah, it's not even close. He's crushing everybody combined. Tucker's at 3.24. That's what he's averaged in Q3 His podcast 11 million show that's the 11 million that's not the 50 million got 50 million Peter got 50 million but but here here's

Here's a point about what were we talking about right now? You were talking about Yeah, Spotify so Spotify is a thorn in all of these guys in Silicon Valley. Right. They can't stand what Spotify is doing. Spotify is letting the stuff stay up. Yeah. You're kidding me. Spotify is now doing video. If Spotify gets commentary and thumbs up, thumbs down, and some data that's being shown publicly, a lot's going to change with Spotify. So, again, what this goes to that I trust, here's what I trust, I trust capitalism. Thank you. I trust capitalism, and that's what I love. And my concern for Silicon Valley was that they, Alex Jones got ousted, a hundred apps took him down.

That's very scary. That is very scary because everybody's on the same page. This is why a Global corporate tax rate scares me. Mm-hmm because if all of a sudden America gets out of control You can't go to Singapore. You can't go to all these other places Nothing got Singapore doesn't want to be part of some of these organizations to have a global tax rate that everybody's Agreeing on you don't want that so the good news is Spotify's competing other guys are coming out Daniel Elk wants to win the audio voice game and he's dominating everyone you know who else he's got he's got Michelle Obama he's got Kardashians he's going after all those big guys and and that's the exciting

part all the other stuff does it concern me today that a Malone is kicked off and Biden and none of those guys have said anything about it, that's kind of concerned. So what he's talking about, I wanna know why you're so afraid of hiding this guy's content. What's so scared about what he's saying that's hiding? This is a guy that's vaccinated. This guy's guy that took Moderna.

This guy's a guy that said, when I got COVID, I thought I was gonna die. Like he said everything you wanted to say, but God forbid a Fauci gets called out. Scares a hell out of a lot of people. I'm gonna go to two stories. I'm gonna go to two said everything you wanted to say but got for bit of how she gets called out Scares a hell out of a lot of people call it go to two stories. I'm gonna go to two stories before we wrap up Before we wrap up one of them is the Michelle Obama story the other one is the Democrats now a fear school story with the last 10 minutes that we got Michelle Obama urgent message About this year's midterm elections. This is a CNN story former first lady Michelle Obama has a message for Americans ahead of

2022 midterm elections We've got to vote like the future of our democracy depends on it. We've heard this a million times. In a letter titled Fight for Our Vote, which was published Sunday as an ad in the New York Times, Obama called on Americans to continue emerging, engaging in democracy, amade, a historic attack on voting rights. Obama's letter referenced the insurrection and the what the the what is that i wrote over it and the is a few of young or a few of the restrictions pass on the state law across the country and its wake

senate major leader chuck shumer has vowed the chamber will vote on whether to change the senate's legislative filibuster rules uh... by martin luftaking junior january seventeen of republicans block democrats latest effort to advance voting rights legislation. Do you think Michelle Obama's just kind of getting in there because behind closed doors, there's any aspirations of 2024? They've been trying, they've been begging there for years.

She's the highest curated member in the entire Democratic Party by far. So they've been possibly in the country. Possibly in the country, sure. So they've been trying. She's not for some reason. Probably because life's pretty good for them right now. And I don't know if they have to say,

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I think she likes having her Netflix gigs. I think she likes being a socialite. There's a lot that goes into running the way I don't think they want to have things exposed. They don't want to have to answer hard questions. And a lot of there, this is the other side of it. A lot of their playbook has been run into the ground. There's only so much more division. There's only so much more division, there's

only so much more divide and conquer you can do. So, you know, the rules for radicals things kind of play down now. It's, we're going on 20 years, right, of rules for radicals here. It's, it, there's, at some point, they've, they've kind of divided everybody that was going to divide. They found everybody that was going to vote along the lines of immutable characteristics, and it is what it is. In matter of fact, there's a lot of statistics showing that the identity politics and the Latinx stuff is actually turning off the Latin voter. It's turning them off.

That is correct. So, you know, that everything has its time, right? So is Michelle Obama going to run? I don't think so. It's a long answer to say I don't think so, but I do think that she wants to have the power to decide who runs, which is what I think what she really wants. I think that she wants someone like Stacey Abrams,

and when they keep, and we gotta stop letting these people frame this issue, the way that they, it's a voter rights issue. No, it's a freaking show proof who you are. It joins me out of my mind, the hypocrisy, and Adam, it's Democrats. Democrat, it joins me out of my mind, the hypocrisy, and Adam, it's Democrats. Democrat hypocrisy drives me out of my mind because they don't care about hypocrisy.

The fact that I have to show a vaccine card to get a sandwich in New York City is somehow fine. But I, asking someone to show I did a proof of their order to vote on who runs the country is somehow racist. It's insanity. It's pure insanity. This has nothing to do with voter rights.

This is their ability to harvest votes. This is their ability to have to do with voter rights. This is their ability to harvest votes This is their ability to have the dead vote. This is their ability to know exactly how like what happened in New Jersey You know, you go to bed and and Chikarelli is winning by 3% in Bergen and you wake up Oh, we found 3 million melon votes in Bergen County. Oh, well, you know Sorry, guess Murphy's gonna be the governor for the next four years I can't surprise you to the two million people that actually live in the country. Yeah, you know, it's just, it's pure insanity, man. So listen, I mean, and then they just change history all the time.

This goes back to the, you know, with the, you know, they take down the videos. It's Fahrenheit 451. They're burning the books. They're lying. There's hypocrisy, but they don't care because at the end of the day, it's all about moving their narrative forward. They don't care about lying. They don't curse again.

They're not beholden to me and you. They're beholden to international community. They care what Putin thinks he thinks, Justin Trudeau thinks. They don't care what me and you think because honestly, it doesn't matter to. Well, the one thing I agree with Michelle Obama or Michael is that there is a historic attack on voting rights going on. Yeah. The citizens vote is being minimized. The way you did that was very slick, but people...

Well, let me say something to you, G. I actually agree with a lot of what you had to say, especially with the Latinx stuff and all that. I will say that I've never been one that has even thought that Michelle Obama was going to run. Even when we talked about it in the last primary season, which was 2019, 2020, and it was still burning, was still in it, and, you know,

global shower was still in it, beat Buttigieg, and Bloomberg showed up, and people started throwing around buzzwords, Michelle Obama, I was always like, why would you do it? Why would you do it? Like, it just makes sense. I don't see it.

You said the Q-score. She is the number one in the country. The high-level needs. I love her. The country loves her. Women love her. A country will love her. Okay.

You said the highest Q score. Yeah, yeah, but you can pull that up. Pull up. In the Democratic Party, she's equally as high as Q score in the country. I'm not even giving you my opinion. Just pull it up. But the point is this.

I think that the Democrats are gonna get squashed in the midterms. And I think someone's gonna say in her ear, Biden's ain't gonna run anymore. Like I think Trump is going to run and what a choice between Michelle Obama and Donald Trump. Yeah. And I feel like for the first time,

this is where I'm actually giving credence to her possibly running. We'll see. I think Trump would be the worst case scenario because she couldn't bully him. She's a bully, he couldn't bully her. She's a bully politician. She wants to run as a victim,

but it's impossible to see them as victims anymore. I don't think she wants to run as a victim. How could she play the victim when she's the first one? Non-stop victim politics. Non-stop victim politics. Pull up the Q score But the point is this regardless I for the first time actually think that she would consider running by by the way Forget about whether you you like her you don't like her etc. I think she's the best candidate They got I think she's the best candidate. Give me a better person them. She'll Obama to run. I can't that's my point

You get about what Democratic party. I give you one better Joe for them not for them for you. It's on that. Democrats wouldn't get behind Joe man. Absolutely. They would. They would not get behind you. Nobody Democrats hate Joe mansion. You saw the Charlemagne that got interview with Kamala Harris.

They would not. I don't think that I don't think that that is the I think that's the loudest voice in the room in the Democrats. I don't think that's the prevailing Democrat. Yeah. So anybody else anybody else. Okay, so Joe Machen is a candidate for the rock.

The rock is better than Michelle. I'm saying yes, but you're saying the rock is more capable of winning than Michelle. No, no, Michelle is the best candidate. They got it. Yeah, I agree. I'm just saying the rocks pretty good. Anybody else, give me another one. Give me another one.

No current politicians zero current politician. Give me another one in the Democratic Party. Zero current politicians. Demetration. In the Democratic Party. No, if there are some like Tom Hanks who's showing up, this current incarnation of Democrat Party is so unlikable. I think I just... The question is who else?

That's Pat's question. And the question is, if Biden is primaried, it's going to come from the far left. But none of those have national electability after the smoke clears. You have Michelle Obama with national electability. You've got Joe Manchin, who's kind of on the other side of the lightning rod where the far left are going to completely throw up all over that.

So the question is, who else? If he's going to be primaried and it's going to be a credible national candidate, right now michelle bomb is the only only let me go to the next story this is a play story democrats now i should be aware of that right now democrats now fear school closings will hurt them politically chicago public school schools have been closed since wednesday because seventy three percent of chicago's teachers union

voted on to stay against returning to classroom and only teaching remotely. Democrats are feting, fretting that another school year interrupted by closures, distance learning and uncertainty. Could have hurt them in the future elections because they have closed ties to the union's Democrats are concerned that additional closures like those in Chicago could lead to a possible replay of the party's recent loss in Virginia's governor race. This is a New York Times story reported.

Poland shows that school, this ruptures were an important issue for swing voters who broke Republican, particularly suburban white women. Boom. Do you see that happen in the midterms? So look at Virginia issue. It's Rasmussen, not Fauci, is going to determine the election. And that's what we're worried about now. After Virginia, my wife saw this meme on social media

and it said, the wine mom, the wine mom, Giveth, and the wine mom take it away. Right, I love them. That's not the only one. And at the end of the day, Kim, the oldest one, you start. You start messing with momabar's kids, right?

And you start adding stress to her husband because now they're trying to figure out how to deal with childcare when both, like my wife works, I work, right? I mean, now we're lucky enough that our kids are toddlers during this crazy time, but of our kids we're in school, lots of my friends, lots of my employees,

this has caused a massive disruption in their household, which adds stress to the household. You start adding stress to Mama Bear's household, and she's gonna come out swinging. And really the only independent voters, I'm not changing your mind, you're not changing my mind, but you know what? My wife can kind of look at some of the more social issues

and things like that where I tend to vote on economics. And I think that story plays out around the country. And so that's where I think you're going to see the, you start messing with the schools, you're messing with Mama Bear, and she thinks that her kids aren't getting the education that they need, and she's going to come out fighting because she won't fight for herself all that well, but she will die on a hill for decades. And we have a clear case example to happen in Virginia with Gene Youngkin and Terry McCollough and is a critical race theory like I don't think that's even a major issue, but

Made a major issue. I'll tell you how right you are I mean we sat down. We had an interview with Rudy Giuliani, which you guys can see in mafia states America But he made a very interesting point where you can you can reduce the murder rates 20% 30%, and nobody believes you, because nobody ever sees a murder, they think it's juicing it. But if you get rid of the squeegee guys,

and you get rid of the graffiti, the quality of life crimes, everybody sees things improving. So it's politics of burden. Now, because of their politics, it's a burden on my household. Now I'm pissed off, they made it a burden on me. It's very, now they brought their politics to my doorstep and I'm resentful about that.

That's a very good point. The other thing is deeper and I've heard people talk about this. I'll tell you guys off air. They need the schools to reopen because that's where they know they control the narrative. When the kids are at home and they're on the video games and you see Kyrie Irving is playing basketball because all of the vaccinated guys are sick with COVID so they have to bring Kyrie, the unvaccinated guy back to play. Well, there's not a teacher to sit there

and explain that away in the classroom to these 30 kids and manipulate and brainwash them. Now they're sitting online playing Call of Duty with each other going like, oh, they're covering these guys or assholes. Right? You know, so they need the kids in school because they need to control how they're,

they need to influence them essentially. And the less that they're in school, the less influenced that has. By the way, what you just said, what you just said, is pretty wild. And does that mean the conservatives are kind of a plain a proxy saying hey then slow your roll with these kids going back to school

is that kind of what you're thinking? Is it? I didn't think that but now that you're saying it's like, you know, maybe we take one in the long end. Oh, that's the theme of today's hot year. You're a single game shark. I can't hear you're giving the GOP way too much credit for any sort of foresight or ability that sees on a moment.

Oh my god. You know something that's really interesting is this comes full circle over a 10 year horizon with Pat and I. Pat and I were in a very wealthy California town down the street from Pepperdine University and heard Ed Gillespie in Terri McCullough. What a debate.

Gave it debate to about 70 people with Pat 9 in the back saying, how do we get in here at the time? But it was very, very cool. And I thought Terri McCullough was very opinionated and too close to the third rail right then. So it then surprised me that he basically says offhand and it wasn't a flood, it wasn't a gaff, it's what he believed, it was I'm your nanny. That's what he said and that's what he believes. And oh no, I really didn't

believe that. He lost on what he believed in and Mama Bear came to the polls and showed him a real power from the 12% in the middle where all elections are fought now. It's only the 12 in the middle. Five for green, 40 over here, 40 over here. That's locked. It's the 12 in the middle. And he just discovered what the independent power of the independent motor really looks like. Nick let it slip in the podcast a few weeks back, man.

When he said, no, I believe in a global federation. We're like, you just advocated for a new world. No, not Nick. Nick's right here. I'm Matt Zeller. I'm Matt Zeller. I'm Matt Zeller. I'm Matt Zeller. I'm Matt Zeller. I'm Matt Zeller. I'm Matt Zeller. I'm Matt sure. Yeah, yeah. I'm not sure. Matt Zeller, my bad. Sorry. I'm not sure.

I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. But Matt Zeller, do you want 100%? He was like, yeah, we should. We should get away from the nation state and we should have a global federation.

And this is a former agency guy. Yeah. Who ran for Congress as a Democrat. He and I can have a parking lot conversation. But by the way, you know what would be interesting. Here's what would be interesting. He's a fighter. He's a parking lot conversation. By the way, you know what would be interesting. Here's what would be interesting. Uh, he's a fighter. He, he's a feisty guy.

I love Simpson. Tolsie Gabbard. Yeah, he's a he's a spinner face. He said he's spitting her face. But, but, but with, but with that, I'm talking with Jack Barsky about bringing Jack Barsky on the podcast. Jack Barsky is a former KGB guy. I know.

And if we bring him on board, it'd be kind of interesting to bring a CIA about bringing Jack Barz skin on the podcast. Jack Barz skin on the KGB guy. I know him. And if we bring him on board, it'd be kind of interesting to bring a CIA because what he says is very weird. And I'd like to see somebody from the CIA hold him accountable. Something makes me, we're gonna have mates like this on this podcast. Maybe, no, we're gonna be doing some debate. There's no such thing as an XKGB. But, it's by so.

Put it through. But Jack and I can come together on the human trafficking issue and be like hey we don't agree on a lot but we will freaking we will go to war against this issue so so you'd want to do a podcast with jack and you want it you talk okay conversation jack so so maybe we'll coordinate that okay anyways having said that first podcast and a bank vault that this is officially in the books and it actually worked. I thought internet because it was going to give us issues. I thought audio was going to give us issues. We had

no issues. David and George in the back. I don't know if George is back. I know David is back there. Here we are. We pulled off the first one episode 114 is in the books. We're going to do Thursday as well. On Thursday we have a special guest by the way. Special guest that's coming former We have a special guest by the way. Special guest that's coming former co-host of the view. It's who's gonna be here Thursday. We've been going back and forth. Rosie O'Donnell. No, Jedadaya, Bila.

We'll be here on Thursday, on the podcast. So tune in, we will be together here Thursday, on the podcast, nine o'clock, Eastern Standard Time. Take care everybody, Nick, thanks for coming out. Absolutely. Bye bye, bye bye. 9 o'clock Eastern Standard Time. Take everybody. Nick, thanks for coming out. Absolutely. Bye-bye, bye-bye. Bye-bye.