PBD Podcast - Only The Paranoid Survive | PBD Podcast | EP 93

Episode Date: October 6, 2021

During episode 93 of the PBD Podcast, Patrick Bet-David sits down with Adam Sosnick, Gerard Michaels, and Phil Heath to talk about topics such as the new world order, the Facebook shutdown, and much more! Watch the full podcast: https://youtu.be/KIPpVSLucpw --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

Gentlemen, we're live. Slash Adam's tires. That's what I would do. Go slash his tires. If you can find his car out there, slash him. You mean his bike? I'm doing this for the benefit of us. Adam, relax buddy.

We're live. That we don't want people to know the true story about slashing your tires. I hear myself, and I, uh, one of the audio's is up. Anyways, hey, we are live episode 93. A lot's going on. We got Phil Heathen in the house, seven TEMAS Troll and P.A.

We got Gerard in the house, and we got sauce in the house. You were just at an event yesterday, or two days ago. Tell us about it, what was that all about? It's called the Oslo Freedom Forum as invited by your good friend, Gary Kasprov. The what, the goat of chess, the grand master.

The goat. The goat. Yeah, he was there. I said hi to him. I actually we had the chance to interview him quick little interview as he was the chairman Yeah, he gave you a shout out. I saw our good friend yummy park there Weaker activists Nigerian activists And a raki comedian who was hilarious Basically, these are people who fight for freedom. The biggest takeaway is, and I might even curse here,

like if you're in America, just be thankful and shut the fuck up and be happy that you're here. I know Pitbull said that. And it really crystallized what is going on all around the world, how bad things are for a lot of people, authoritarian regimes, people went, ham on China, ham, like we can go, I mean, we might cover some of the China stuff today.

But it was, people from all around the world advocating for human rights, exposing authoritarian regimes, and just all about freedom. So it was very traumatizing for you. I hope you're okay. I don't know what that means, but it was good.

It was a great event. We interviewed a lot of awesome people. Value-taming got a lot of love from a lot of the fellow journalists and attendees. And I think we'll have a great episode from this. I love it, I look forward to, and by the way, maybe folks may, miss roland pia this week is with

this weekend right yes sir miss roland pia's this weekend and there may be a sawsighting maybe we have to talk about it after we're there may be a sawsighting because uh... uh... uh... uh... adam may go you know you may do something there but at the same time uh... we were talking about whether you're into fitness girls like you know competitors know, competitors, things like that. You were a little bit hesitant. Was that like, I'm comfortable for you? The models, maybe not fitness. I'm young models. Extremely cut up, six back. There's bikini girls too. I'm all

here. So they got bikini Olympia competitors. Okay. You're not turning. Here's a challenge. Okay. I got it, you know, I got a whole bag full of posing chunks too. So if you really have the urge, all right, little close down pose down. Yeah, Here's a challenge, Bill. I feel it now. If green. I got a whole bag full of posing chunks too. So if you really have the urge, a little close down pose down. Yeah, man, I mean, just throw some tan on. You know, you definitely got a shave. Yeah, a shave.

Green. But I don't know if he's some of our days to say that. His last five posts, he's had no shirt on. He's dropped 50 pounds. He's out there. It's amazing. He's out there. Did you say no shirt on?

Not, I haven't seen you just there. Not just shirt, but. First's out there and did you say no shirt on not I haven't seen Just shirt by the first time I've seen Gerard with a shirt on in about two weeks. The only thing is we don't know I'm sorry, that's the only thing because we can see his feet. Yeah, that was the only thing but there are one Tiny little tiny tiny black strip over his I'm gonna tell you, Gerard is making major progress props to you, buddy. You look great. Your energy is different and it's great to see you in the shape that you're in. So, Mr. Olympia, do you have any predictions? You can't have an idea what's going to happen.

You know right now, you have the reigning champion, Big Rami. More than likely, he is the favorite. He is the guy that's going to repeat. Who standing in his way is a Hathi Chopin from Iran? Yeah. He's trained by my trainer, Hathi Rambad. And I've been able to see some picks. He's looking really dangerous right now.

What's the chances of Hathi beating Rami? I think it's all about who peaks not just on Friday, but who slams the door on Saturday. I definitely feel that the way the judging criteria is, is not swayed to just Rami, because Rami has only peaked, or truly maybe a couple times in his career. And I know his trainer, Chatt,

Nichols, who train Ronnie Coleman, who work with him for all those on the beer wins, understands how imperative it is to not just do Friday, but also Saturday. Nichols who train Ronnie Coleman who work with him for all those on the beer wins understands How imperative it is to not just do Friday, but also Saturday the timing of the chat. No timing the timing is everything I mean that's something that I you know made sure of but with hotty he does not miss So I think with Rami being the size that he is He can miss maybe one of those days. So and then you have Brandon Curry

I mean, you know, he's a former Mr. Olivia, he's a one time. So that's really your top three. And I'm really excited to see those three guys get up there. And then you have the guys like William Bona, you have Nick Walker, Nick Walker, who just won the Arnold Classic, a lot of hype going in.

Yeah. It's gonna be about. Nick Wim, doesn't Nick stand a chance to be first place? No, okay, no. Top three, maybe if some guys miss. How big of a deal is it to win the Arnold Classic going into Mr. O? Like, is it a really, really big deal or no? I think this year it helps him tremendously because of the fact that the Arnold was two

weeks prior to the Olympia. Normally the Arnold Classic is in March. So you have like that gap. Six months. Yeah. Is it healthy, filled to be that close to each other? Like Mr. Olympia and Arnold that. Six months. Yeah. It's an healthy field to have it to be that close to each other like Mr. Olympia and Arnold. I mean, health wise, that's got to be. It's definitely difficult to to peak for a two day show doing a one day show. I mean, that's easy. Yeah. But when

you're doing a one day show and then two weeks after that, you've got you a two day show. Yeah. You know, the peaking. What do you mean? What do you mean by peaking? And like how long is that window your talking about? So you have to consider like, let's just say you have a Usain Bolt. He's getting ready for the Olympics, but he's doing like an event like an eventational like let's say a month prior. Let's just say he wants a world record time in the world, you know, before the Olympics. Is that smart?

Probably not. Because you really want to win the Olympic final with the World Record time. So it's all about the timing. So you've got to have to pace yourself. But the problem is the body is not static is very, very dynamic. So whatever worked for Nick or anyone for these previous shows, you have to now realize that diet, that training, you might want to just rip that up and just look at what's going on with your body right now. And that's something that a lot of people miss. So a lot of people that even watch this,

they've dieted, but because of the fact that their body does change, and they didn't change with it, they miss. So that's why all these fat diets keep going. So, but bodybuilders have that problem too. So, so you got for you like let's just say it by the way does Vegas have odds on these things or no. Does Vegas should they don't. But they don't. Okay. Why not? Because it's it's kind of sticky with the that's very I was

and bodybuilders say that Mr. Olympia can be bought. Oh, and you bought? I'm missing this different. Okay, I'm not sitting here. I'm not judging it. No, I'm not sitting here and saying it happens, but when, like Pat said, there's a reason why there's no Vegas odds in this.

I mean, people could be compromised in some way, shape or form. I mean, we don't need to go down there and I could be a whole new. So you think that's a good thing that there's no vagus. Yeah, I think so. One million percent. Yeah, I think so.

The integrity of it all. At least in boxing, you know, boxing is one of the dirtiest when it comes out to manipulating and buying people out. I've had people on that have told me, you have no idea what kind of people I'm bought and how easy this to buy that, right? In body building, it's very, what do you call it? It's, you know, technical yet you can kind of say,

while objective is subjective. That's the one I'm looking for. So you can be objective yet subjective. So like, if you look at all the Mr. Olympia champions, they're all different in their own way. So right now you have Rami, like that's a guy that is, but it's not Rami, I would like to see. There's no one that looks like Rami, right now.

I'd call up big Rami kind. So there's no one that looks like Rami, right now. A big Rami guy. So there's no one that looks like him. He's like the modern day Ronnie. Right. It's not a Ronnie today. The guy's gonna be over 300 pounds ripped. Oh, damn. No one's gonna look like this.

Yeah, Kai, pull up some images of these guys. What we looking at? Okay, no, no, do the one with Ronnie and Rami right next to you, yeah. Even though it's not real, click on that. No, no, Kai. This is my Instagram post. If you can pull up a Ronnie, look at that right there. To two of them. Insane what Rami looks like. So that's R, no, Cal. This is my Instagram post. If you can pull it on me. Look at that right there.

To two of them. Insane what Robbie looks like. So that's Robbie on the right. So it was as big as these guys when he was winning the most. Well, I was definitely not the same weight as Rami. You know, even when I'm on the right. Yes. And Ronnie's on the left.

Yeah, so like when my last Olympia win in 2017, I actually did beat Rami. And you beat the guy on the right. Yeah. Damn. I feel like these guys were over 10 plus years. This is a problem. Okay.

You're back to back to back. I know who feel it. But Rami is definitely one of those guys that even when I was winning, I would see him and say, if this guy gets in real good shape, he's gonna get a problem for everybody. And if they're in that second place in the hot, that's not in real good shape, he's gonna be a problem for everybody. So first player in the second place in the hot, that's not in real good shape.

Rami, Hadi, Brandon, Nick. You know it's funny, I actually, my oddball is William Bohnack, because he didn't do the Arnold, and I think it gave him maybe more time to peak for the Olympia could to be top three. I think so I mean like it's just Well, here's my money my money would be a one a one b with hotty and ramy because they're so different yet Dude if hotty wins. Oh, man. It's gonna be crazy if you wins. This is ramy right here. Go on hotty Chopin. Yeah, who's hot? Howdy Chopin wins the Olympia? I may have to drive up to Orlando the No, I guess I guess it's falling right zero H a D.I. Yeah, there you go. There you go Look, click on that everybody's looking for that. There you go. They want that. This is what people want They want easy is he in the and how the guy the right is Persian so they want they want Egypt Egypt versus Iran base

Is that oh his Egyptian? He's around it by Rami's twice as such Way but when you look at the legs, oh, is Egyptian, he's Iranian? Yeah. But, Ramis twice is so. Yeah, I mean, just hide. Yeah, hide. But when you look at the legs, but look at, even, but here's the thing. Yeah. Look at, look at, look at Rami, but then look at Hathi, deeper cuts. Uh-huh.

You know, much deeper separation. So these are things that like, This is the judging. This has to be seen live because to me, I did there's it's indecisurable So so it's so here's what I would suggest What if feel on Saturday night? Okay? What if you go live and you watch Mr. Olympia live and you give feedback on it and anybody that wants to tune in They can tune in and see you giving feedback on the contest. Fuck it. I say we do it

No, I'm not going. You're not going. I'm not going. So why not? Why not? Why wouldn't the fans want to see me do commentary on the guys? You'd rather, you'd rather. But I mean, I'm gonna give these guys justice.

Okay. You know, I definitely feel that they would want to know my opinion. But more importantly, I've competed against these guys for over 10 years. I understand their strengths, their weaknesses. But I have no axe to grind either, which is great. And I'm gonna make sure. Be unbiased.

Well, the best part is, and unfortunately in our sport, it's one of those things where you happen to look at something and then you just shit on it because you're looking at their weaknesses. And I think you don't sell the sport without, yeah, you're going to talk about the weaknesses, but you're going to highlight the strengths because at the end of the day, this is what these guys train for. It's the person who has the most strengths and the least amount of weaknesses wins. I have a question for you Phil, and this may be the entire audience can kind of get

some perspective here. Everyone out there gets judged on their performance. They're work performance, how they're looking. You show up to the office, oh you're rough night, but it's constantly, you're on social media, people are hating, people are commenting, whatever. You are putting yourself out there for the world to see literally every

inch of your body minus right. My question is regarding self confidence and body image. Do you ever get on stage and be like, I don't know, I don't feel so good today or the judgment, the cause of judgment, like every Instagram models, they clean up every little image, every little curve. Are you thinking about it? Are you considering? I'm thinking that, you know, before I get on there, I gotta understand what the mentality of it all.

I think of the day. You know what to get in for is birthday already. 100%. One of those. Absolutely, I got them. Okay, perfect. Okay, okay. What color do you want?

I think I'm Cheetah. No, I'm thinking magenta. Okay, I could do it. I could pull that off. Would you take that picture and post it on Instagram? How much money? I could be bought. I could be bought.

I could be bought. I could be bought. But at the end of the day, yes. Bodybuilders have. Definitely. I mean, I'm raising my hand right now. The insecurity, absolutely. The anxiety that these guys and these girls

are going through this week. They've trained an entire year to get ready to go up on stage and be adjudicated by judges who may or may not like their physique. And then they're gonna be adjudicated by millions of people on social media. Damn. To reduce the noise is what is key

for each male and female that is competing this week. Reducing the noise, staying within yourself because there's this thing that my trainer and I call the F up fairy, and the F up fairy is gonna creep into your mind, it's kind of like what fighters go through. You know, they kind of go dark, they get weird, and sometimes that's how they get knocked the hell out in the first round,

because they really get in their head about what's going on. It's important that each of these people know who the hell they are and realize that it's you versus you. You cannot control, it's not like boxing you where you can go knock the person out. You can't play offense defense. You have to make sure that you peak the best way you can. And that's it.

And you just have to let the chips fall. But the insecurity, absolutely. The anxiety, absolutely. I mean, I've had it. It'll keep you up at night. It'll piss you off. I mean, you go through various emotions, but that's why the most emotionally intelligent know how to run this race.

Wow. And you won this seven times in a row. Let it go. I think there's certain things in life you shouldn't aspire to do, Mr. O'Reilly. Let me live my life, man. I say you skip. Let me live a life, man.

I say you skip. Go be, go be the wide receiver for like. Let me live my life, man. I say you skip. Let me live a life, man. I say you skip. Go be the wide receiver for like a local senior, you know, senior NFL team, whatever, and you know, do that. Why, we will come root for you. I'll be your biggest fan. I'll be your biggest fan. Anyways, we've got a lot of topics to get into.

Bodybuilding world, if you want to see, feel, do a live, dissadded on Mr. you're commentary, let us know, give us a thumbs up if that is what you want to hear. And by the way, see, follow the content, follow, feel to make sure if that does end up happening, you know where to find it is what's most likely going to end up being on value attainment. So with that being

said, I just asked the question, what are some topics you want us to cover? Somebody said the Pandora papers will cover that. China, Facebook will cover that china uh... uh... face book will cover that uh... we got a few other things that happen andrew young just came out and says he doesn't want to be a democrat anymore he's joining the independent parties like i'm leaving the democratic party to be an independent

this is a guy who created a ton of momentum for himself i wonder what's gonna happen with his job at cnn and all the stuff that he's doing are you gonna going to keep him? Are they going to fire him? Is he still going to commentate? We'll see. He's a guy that's definitely marketed himself very well in the last election. I think this is a guy that's not going to be going away. There's a market for him and good for him to announce that he's an independent now.

So we have a few things that happened. Pandora papers. We got Facebook that was down yesterday for, I don't know how many hours, I was six, seven, eight hours China Titans a political controller Internet giants inflation Another new inflation key inflation gauge watch by Federal Reserve hits a 30-year high What else restaurants are down playboy releases October cover

Featured a man for the first time not playgirl, but playboy Featured a man for the first time. Not play girl, but play boy, feature a man for the first time. Microsoft CEO warns people will vote with their feet when it comes to return to work policy. Biggest crash in world history, personal finance expert Robert Kiyosaki predicts economic crisis in October is coming. Kai, I don't know if you guys got a hold of them.

See if you can get a hold of them or not. Let Mario know if we can get a hold of them. If not, see if we can get him on the second half of this. Schumer escalates pressure on debt limit and something interesting happened in the bathroom yesterday. When Kristen cinema was going to the bathroom, she was chased down. Maybe we'll comment on that. Seven out of ten states in a worse financial condition are run by Democrats.

I don't know why. Trump knows, says he knows what would happen if he faces the Santas in 2024 presidential primary, which is what we discuss in the last podcast with Danielle and who else was on the top. And then a few other things that we got here. So let's see, which story do we go into, which story do we go into? Let's go into the New York restaurant. There's first page three business first. So

New York restaurants business down 40 to 60% due to vaccine mandates. This is a zero-hit story. New York City restaurants are complaining that their business has been slashed severely by the COVID-19 vaccine mandate, which requires people 12 and older to show vaccination proof for indoor dining and indoor fitness and indoor entertainment.

How do you pronounce that please? O'Donning who was pub and restaurant was a successful business that I've been open for 10 years in Times Square. Manhattan its owner now says comparing the clientele from pre-mand day to when it kicked them about two weeks ago. Our business is definitely down 50%. I'm going to say 60%.

There's just no people coming into the restaurant. They have the fear of being asked for vaccines. We don't have the money here to survive without the help of our landlord Who has been very supportive and has been given us breaks on the rent, but without our landlord We would not be in business. He conclude Concluded Adam. What do you think about this? Well, the most striking thing to me and look I genuinely want to get Gerard's Perspective on this because he's from New York and has been back a few times.

But the 12 and older thing is what sticks out to me. And I'm not defending mandates, let's not even go there. I don't think anyone should be mandate to get the vaccine. But if there were gonna be a mandate, you know, 18 plus, 21 plus, whatever. But 12 year olds, how old's Tiko? Nine., 21 plus, whatever. But 12-year-olds? How old's Tico? Nine.

He's nine. Okay. Like, we're talking about kids. I don't even think kids are even available to get the vaccine. Is that a... Fill me in on that. Yeah, that's why Tico will go to Casa de Angelo instead of any restaurant. Okay, so I mean, it's a little extreme what's going on in New York right now.

I don't... You would just... You would just know your... Just support this idea. Okay. You would just know New York and you would do in your comedy tour. Tell us what it's like. Okay, so I on in New York right now? I don't support this idea. You were just in New York and you were doing your comedy tour. Tell us what it's like. Okay. So I was in New York and I posted a secret show for anybody that follows me on Instagram,

you know, I said secret show in New York and people ended up being a little pissed off at me when I DMed, when they DMed me and I told them where I was because it wasn't in the city. I kind of made it seem like it was in the city, but it was actually half our outside of the city. Specifically because of this. Specifically because of the vaccine. And they specifically because, you know, me and a few other,

I want to give a big shout out to Chrissy Mar, and I want to give a big shout out to Carolyn Miljavik, two people that don't have the type of career and cloud to take the stand that they're taking, but they've decided, even though, you know, I believe they're both actually vaxed. They've decided that they're not going to. They're both vax. I believe so. I don't knowed, they decided that they're not going to... They're both vaxes. I believe so.

I don't know, but I believe that they are. And, but they've decided that they're not going to force their audience to show medical proof to come see them perform. So I am supporting them and I did the same thing. Long story short, we had 190 people at the show on Friday night, 190 people. You figure it's a two drink,

men on one, the drinks are about 15 bucks each. 30, 40 bucks, easy per head. What's 190 times 40? What was that? Like 7 grand. 11, I calculated. 190 times 40? Yeah, 8 grand.

8 grand. A little shy of 8 grand. 8 grand in two hours. We made this place in Anuette. 8 grand in two hours. You think these restaurants could have used that? You think a club in the city after being 18 months could have used eight grand on a Friday night

that we earned them. You know, and there's way bigger acts than me out there that can do five, six hundred people easy. I mean, we did 190 people on a secret show. So thank you to everybody that came out. It was really dope. It was a fun show and cool with like Nelson Figueroa and Ednichavez and all those guys

that do the pro-amp stuff also. But the point I'm trying to make is, that's eight grand out the door. That, for my entire life, for 10 years of doing comedy, that's eight grand that goes to somebody in Midtown. That's eight grand that goes to somebody in the village. That's eight grand that goes to somebody, that's in the city.

Now that eight grand went to somebody in Nanuet. So multiply that by how many different acts, multiply that by how many different people. Multiply that by, you know, how many different people that have left to come to Florida. I had a guy that was in town yesterday. You met him for an endolast. So shout out to Fernando Lassa. We had a hilarious, I would all the stores.

The number one singer in Ecuador. Yeah. Number one. Yes. By the way, a little bit at the house. Yeah, he did. He did. And this guy for an endolast.

Let me tell you, like he's coming to the birthday party. By the way, let me tell you. So you know how sometimes you hear stories and you're thinking it's fabricated. So he starts telling a story. Mario's sitting there. You were there the night before, right? Tell what time, one o'clock in the morning.

Kai heard some stories that he will never reveal to anybody because those were very private stories. That night was, did you hear some stories you were surprised by Yesor and a look the guy's face right there. More than I would have thought. Anyway, so he's from Ecuador and we had a chance to meet his wife, beautiful wife, very happy for these two. We go back 22 years.

Maybe I'm gonna bring him on the podcast to tell some stories here pretty soon. But he says, so we start talking to the exclamation thing. I said, so he says, yeah, they're eventually gonna mandate it for travel anyways and they can eventually meant people can have to get the vaccine anyways no matter what that was because in echo there is our worst and i know that so he will start on a vaccine conversation right so

wiggins gets cornered hey i'd take it or don't take it i love what dream on green set dream on green comes out and he tells the story and he says are we really talking about force?

Isn't this America? Don't you have the freedom? And then LeBron changes position on a little bit. LeBron's kind of like, hey, if they want, we, me, my wife and our family, we decided to get the vaccine, but it's the individual's choice to do what they want to do. And he knows, because Kyrie's not going to agree with them. Dremel on all these guys, but Wiggins ends up last minute getting the vaccine, right? And he has to know, he can now get paid on the home games, all these guys. But Wiggins ends up last minute getting the vaccine, right? And he has to know he can now get paid on the home games, all this other stuff. The amount of pressure some of these guys are getting.

You wonder if the small timers are eventually going to be, Wiggins is not a small timer. This is a guy that's making 20 a year. This is not a guy that's making a million dollar contract. A half a million. This is a 20 million dollar your contract. Not a superstar, but I would say he's a star. He's a guy that's at 19, point nine points a game last season quietly. He does this part

How much more you think this pressure is gonna get to people or do you think the people standing up is gonna win? Eventually do you think the people in America standing up are eventually gonna be like listen? This is it stop. It's it's a little too much Let it go. We're not doing this anymore, especially after Newsom just announced in the state of California that kids, above the age of 12 kids, 12 to 18, have to be vaccinated or else they can't go to school. And New York just announced, if a mother, this is a story that just popped up,

if a mother is pregnant, she has the baby. And if she's not vaccinated, she can't take the kid home until she gets vaccinated. Let's verify the story, Kai, because I read the story a couple days ago. But when do you think the tipping point is for people to say, you know what, I give up. I'll get the vaccine or do you think people are going to stand up? Well, what is the survival rate right now? I think that should be something that is celebrated.

And it's not. The damn survival rate is what? It's like, okay, so they say,'s 700,000 deaths in the United States or whatever 43 million cases of which 5% the leading cause was co-wit Adam stop. Oh my gosh That's why he's going to miss roll and yeah, so but go ahead. We're listening to you 330 million people. Right, and 700,000.

Which one death is too many for sure. Yeah, but we're not talking about everything else. And we're not solving for immortality. It's not becoming nonsensical. Hey, let me tell you, we all know doctors. And you know what they say? People die every day. Yeah.

And it's not being insensitive by saying this, but we should be out of this by now Okay, you got Israel you got all this other stuff that these are real stats Yeah, and the fact that we're not celebrating the fact that hey, we're we're actually turning this thing around Yeah, the survival rate is this we also know like if you're older and this and that we've already talked about it Like if your parents get it it makes sense You know if you're obese probably should go get it because this is one of those things that contribute to COVID or whatever.

Yeah. We are in a place where people are talking about mandating something that you have 99% chance of surviving. This is bullshit. Well, yeah, the to answer past question, you know, what's the tipping point, man? This is all a stress test at some point. Why would they ever stop? We haven't stopped them. You know, like,

why would they ever stop doing what they're doing? What, why would they ever not implement what they want to do next? Like, what, what incentive have we given these people to say, man, I'll tell you what, this is the line in the sand. And if you cross this line, whatever happens next was your decision. We think, They keep pushing, they keep pushing, they keep pushing, and we bitch, and we mown, but we don't do anything. We do nothing, we do nothing of consequence. They say, do what I tell you to do or else. And then they back it up.

They take people's jobs away from them. The nurses. What do we do? What's up with that? Yeah, I mean, York, man. Not shagard, yeah. Like how cold is that, man? Like we all know our nurse.

Why are they getting rid of these people? You were a hero. You were the person that went through and saved people. And now you're just kicked to the curve. America, you need to wake the hell up, man. Like that's cold-blooded. Like that's not okay. I think people, you know,

the people gotta do their own research and feel comfortable about it. Talk to your doctor, talk to the people, and I say talk to both sides of the aisle. Not just one side. I'm a guy that's always like when we decide to do something with the company, right? And I'll say in the meeting, we'll send a board of them

and I'll say, guys, be the devil's advocate. Tell me why this is not gonna work. So don't sell it. Sell the opposite side. Be the devil's advocate. And guys will say, well, what if such and such happens? And then I try to win those arguments, and we as a group try to win the,

and then we get stuck on a question. I'm like, oh, shoot. Yeah, you're right. Okay, so guys, what's the salute? What do we do if this happens? Then you get stuck, right? So don't just make a decision on one side or the other side. You know, if you're somebody,

that's like, there's no way I'm gonna take the vaccine, have you done the research? And there's some people that are like, I'm not gonna take the vaccine, I'm gonna take the vaccine, have you done the research against it? Just go get educated. I think I posted something on Twitter yesterday.

I said, inflation is causing the dollar store to be a two dollar store. And then I said, some other thing on the second one, I don't remember what the second one was. And the third one was, censorship is causing us to be too careful with what we talk about because everybody's getting offended. Go a little lower, go a little lower,

go a little lower, go a little lower right there. Inflation has turned the dollar store into a $2 store. Low interest rates have created a climate of fake success. Censorship is creating an environment of extremely sensitive people who only want to hear things they agree with. Keep your eyes and ears wide open. I mean, just pay attention to what's going on. Absolutely.

Information bias is huge right now. It is. It's in a big way. So we're going to see what's going to happen. But let me ask you, with my mic issue, I don't know if we address this, but the cookie cutter approach, there's different strokes or different folks. Like, if you've, there's been reports out there, there an Israeli Israeli study out there that shows if you've had COVID The immunities that you built up over over time are potentially even better six times better Yeah, then getting the vaccine. Well, according the project veritas that Pfizer is aware of that as well Okay, everybody should know that you're aware of it If I get a cold or flu, do I not have antibodies?

a cold or a flu? Do I not have antibodies? Ju Che. And then, you know, this Delta variant certainly seems a lot more dangerous than the original variant. And then, look, if you're going to actually, there's people out there that don't believe in the COVID, there is a contingency. I don't believe in that. I don't think there's, I don't think there's, I don't believe in how extreme it is. I don't think. And if they want to live their life and just not want to get a vaccine because they for whatever political issue or for whatever Let me ask you what percentage of people don't believe COVID is real. I think I think what percentage believe COVID is not in the United States. Yeah. What percentage doesn't believe COVID is real.

But the problem is whatever number I give, those are the loudest motherfuckers in the room. No, it's not true though. It's not true though. What is two percent? Name me one person. If you ever watch Jordan Clefford do his, in a magazine, name me one person,

one person of influence today. Name me Adam, one person of influence today that says COVID is not real. One person. I don't know about people of influence. But that of Influence today, that's as COVID is not real. One person. I don't know about people of Influence. But that's loud. That's loud because there's people out there. Let me say this. Let me

call if I this and I'll throw this out there for you guys. There's people out there who just say it's the flu. It's just a bad flu or it's just a flu. Okay. And for people of us that have had COVID. You just change it though. That's two different things. So there's tears to what people say and I agree with you There's people that say

Covid is not real. It's fake a year ago. How many people were there a ton? Yes, right yes or no a year ago year goes what August of a Demonic not a not a October I would probably say more June a lot of people said That word like Skandemic that doesn't do it depends. Yeah, nothing to do with that part. skid, that doesn't mean that's not the same. That's not gonna do it, that's not gonna do it. That's nothing to do with that part. How many people have been fired for getting the vaccine? What does that mean?

There's people getting fired for not getting it. How many people are getting fired for getting it? Why would you get fired for getting it? Why would you get fired for not getting it? All right, see what you did there. But I think that's the exact opposite of mentality that they're trying to My question today my the thing is you're trying to you're trying to say it's it's a both sides thing, right?

I mean that's the idea of saying so they clarify. I mean I'm just saying that they're trying to take a cookie cutter approach to this and like you said you got to consult with your doctor You have to make a decision that's best for you. Definitely don't believe in mandates. Yeah, and But it is real but but what I'm saying is real. It is real. It is real. Name me one person. And there's no one with any credibility

that should get out there and say it's not real. So I can't name that person. Okay, so when did, let's just go to the guy that's the biggest conspiracy guy, let's just say. I was just going, no, no, not him. Go to Trump. Let's just say Trump's the guy that's the most anti, you know, left the establishment that didn't like, right?

Sure. Did he get the vaccine? Oh yeah. Did he tell people to get the vaccine? Yeah, kind of. He did. He did. He did.

So what I'm saying to you is where I'm going with this is, ain't no more vocal. Ain't nobody. How loud does he have to be? As loud as fucking possible. That's like saying like LeBron James has to talk about as much as possible to say what he said at one time. Did you say what?

Did you not create the vaccine? Maybe he respects your choice. Maybe he respects for you to have a choice. Sure, that's fine. And he got it and he says, I took it, do it, go ahead and do it. Like imagine somebody, does somebody need to be louder to force you to get married?

Louder to get, no, I don't know. Why, why though? How come in I'm married? How come in I'm married? to force you to get married? Uh, louder? No, I don't, I've been... Why, why though? How come in I'm married? How come in I'm married? How come in I'm married? It's a choice. You chose that to be.

It's a pure choice. It's your life. So if that's your life, the same thing with him, he wants to say there's a choice. So I don't, I'm cool with the choice thing. No, you said he needs to be louder. He doesn't, it doesn't... How about this? How many people have gotten sick and died

because they've taken the vaccine versus how many people have gotten sick and died because they were unvaccinated? Okay, to say that it's equal and to give me that, we don't know, I think it's a bullshit answer. There's really no way to know. Yeah, those numbers are, there's no way to know. Yeah, those numbers are not.

What does that mean? You can't predict the future. How do you know whether or not if you got, this is one of the things that they're doing, which is nonsensical. Well, he got it. So he's not as sick as he would have been. How the hell did I know?

How could they possibly... Here's the other part. But here's the other part. I don't know, I'm not buying that. Here's the other part. So, for example, steroids. Let's talk about steroids. We were kind of talking about a yesterday, right?

There was a book back in the days they had edition ones, second of them. Steroid Bible, I don't know what it was. And about like 2000. I had something like that. And it was like first, second was a book back in the days they had edition one, second of them, Stereo Bible, I don't know what it was. And about like 2000. And it was like first, second, third, fourth edition. So we would buy them, we would read it, right? And there was another book that was written on Stereo, it's called Ageless Man, right?

I don't know who wrote it, but some guy wrote on Ageless Man and they tested this on a rat. How as a man gets older, the negative consequences of your testosterone level being below 240 or 200. It's actually not healthy for you. Correct. And your testosterone level needs to be higher, not 1200, but it needs to be 4 to 600 for you to be able to perform day-to-day activities.

And it's not even sex by the way. It's just completely like for your bones to be stronger, he's making this argument, right? Okay. How many years of history do we have on steroids and side effects of steroids? Probably about a hundred. Okay, think about that. We got about a hundred years of research on steroids, right? We know what's good, we know what's not good.

So when you say, how many people are versus how many people are not, we only have one year of research. Since last November. 11 months. So to say that, you have to know the flip side of the argument is, well, let's wait 10 years. Well, let's wait five years. Well, then somebody may say, what is the right amount of research? OK.

So, but another person may say, so the conspiracy of, oh, they're trying to put the microchip whatever in there. OK. Now, that's the stuff that just gets a lot of views and you say things like that. Whether you believe that or not, that's the conspiracy side. What percentage of that is true or not? Say 1%. Meaning give me the credibility of what it is.

Fine, you want to put 1% to go for it. It's not the chip side. But the flip side of it is saying, hey, you know what? I'd rather take the risk and I'll get it. Go for it. Go ahead and do it. I'm good with that. No problem.

Go ahead and do. There's a lot of things we put in our body, they don't, we don't fully know what's going on. There's a lot of stuff that we do, but still Adam, it's the person's choice. Okay, can I pick up right on that one? Go for it, you just said. Choice, I'm right with you on that, totally agree with you. I was, we started off the show saying

that I was at this Oslo Freedom Forum yesterday. Again, I'm talking to Uighurs who are in and Reeducation Camps of China. Nigerians are being murdered by this SARS unit is what's going on. People from all over the world who have been taking their freedoms away from them. And I asked them their story, what's going on.

And the last question that I asked everybody, and you think this would be a very easy question to answer at a freedom form and it was the most question that they like, wow, wow, that's a good question. Oh, let me think about people there fighting for freedom. I said, what does freedom mean to you? That was the last question I asked after doing a five minute interview and every single person was like, huh, well, there's never thought. There's never thought. No way people took their time with that. I swear to God, you'll see the footage.

They were, man, it's a good question. Like, people, they're speaking about freedom. I know bullshit. And then after they hemmed in the hod, and they thought about it, the most universal common answer was, it's about choice. Yeah. It's about having options. And whether it's about choice. Yeah. It's about having options and whether it's the choice

to marry who you want. Maybe they're, it was all about choice, but they had to pondert for a second. Well, because they didn't have freedom. That's why, they don't know what that feels like. And the second thing is, whether you agree with me, whether you don't agree with me, whether you agree with the vaccine, you have the choice.

And that's the one thing that a lot of people in these countries don't have, they don't even have the ability to question their government. They don't even have the ability to say, well, I don't know, Gerard, I don't think so. Well, yeah, Pat, well, they don't have that. They don't have that. No, I don't think we are though. I don't think we're heading down that road. I can show you specifically. We're not

Iran. We're not North Korea. That's where these people are living. Not yet, but we can, I can show you specifically where we're getting closer. And that's actually why I want to push back on paddle a bit because when you, you know, you talk about the microchips and the stuff. So when, when people talk about that, it's a pandemic. You use that word and the microchips and these and these conspiracies, you lump everything together into this idea that anything outside of what's being reported and mainstream media is this crazy eccentricity that takes it to crazy time

there's lizards living underneath Antarctica. Sometimes it is, sometimes it's real. Sometimes the you said it a couple episodes back, the paranoid are those who survive, okay? If you don't think that there is some sort of goal to have some sort of digital passport, some sort of tracking system involved, you're not paying attention. If you don't think that there's some sort of social score coming our way that is already in effect in China, you're not paying attention.

If you don't think that this is an obedience test, if you don't think, especially after that episode that Pat put up yesterday, with what we know that the moderators are doing behind the scenes at these major social media conglomerates, then, guys, you are just not paying attention. And to your point as far as us being around and us not, not to get off topic, Merrick Garland, who was nominated to be a Supreme Court justice United States, and is now in the Biden administration, essentially just weaponized the FBI to go after anybody, okay? Who has had any sort of opposition to critical race theory and education, all right?

He sent a memorandum to the FBI, asking them specifically to treat opposition to critical race theory and a quote unquote vaccine hesitancy, okay, which is this broad term for questioning anything that's official narrative, okay? They're treating people that disagree with our elected, you know, administration as political dissidents. That is the, that is the very precipice of the slippery slope, all right?

We already knew, we already know that Obama weaponized the IRS. That is not a for debate. That's not a conspiracy. That was confirmed. That should have been one of the biggest conspiracies since Nixon. Everybody knows it happened? Nobody cares for some reason.

He weaponized the IRS against his political opponents. Now, his vice president's administration is publicly weaponizing the FBI against political opponents. That's a problem. That is a slippery slope, okay? So while I understand and I agree, we're not North Korea, we're not Iran. I think that we can become it so much quicker

than anybody gives any sort of credence to. I hear your point. I also think you're right on being paranoid and I appreciate you saying, well, you know, it could happen, you could happen. In my humble opinion, I've just seen what true tyranny looks like, Pat came from my ran. I think it's hyperbolic to even assume

where anywhere even close to it, bro. That's just my point. Okay, again, I just tried to tell comedy, and I couldn't do it inside of a city. No, you chose to do a secret show. You've done it in and- I could not use. I could not. Absolutely not.

Absolutely not. I could not have. I would have made it. It was actually illegal for me to earn money. Bro, we just talked about the New York restaurants. A freaking mandate for something that you have 99% chance of surviving. I mean, what the hell are we doing? What are we talking about right now? And at the end of the day,

what is the definition of being an American? This country was formed by a great... Well, actually come here and what's great is that we actually have like these debates or whatever we want to call it. But we can walk out of here and still be cool. We respect each other's opinions and stuff like that. They wanna take it away.

They wanna take it away by force. They don't want you to speak. At what point, if you live in New York City, do you say enough's enough? I mean, if you're like, dude, I wouldn't say anything. Exactly. So that's the beauty of living in America again, is saying, you know what?

Yeah, but moving to Florida. Or I'm going here, I'm going there for now. Okay. So Adam, let me ask you You know One day you're gonna have a family, right? One day you'd like to have a family when they buy your choice. We're not gonna force you I just want you know don't force yeah, we're not gonna tell you go We're gonna be I've almost been you know, I've been forced in the marriage before

Didn't work out. Wow. It's not a good strategy. Yeah, we like choice But if you open to a range marriage, I like I wouldn't mind doing a range marriage with you. I got some people. Anyways, so let's go back to it. You get married. You have kids. Okay. God willing. Yeah. God willing. That happens. You have kids. Okay. Your level of paranoia will change. Okay. Sure. When you have kids. Yeah. Let me explain to you how it works. Like, Like, Senna looks at me and she gives me these eyes and she goes like this and she kind of goes like this with her hair and she takes these pictures and all I think about is, oh my gosh,

some guy's gonna go crazy over that. How the hell am I gonna fight off that guy? You know what Senna did the other day? So somebody said something to Senna at school. You know what she said to the kid? She said, you know my brother is big and strong and he will punch you in the face. I assume he's talking about Bill and he's there.

I'm gonna go read a book. I was thinking, he's worried about Senna. He's gonna have two, six, one, five brothers and a dad with a million dollar car. So what do you possibly do to press that girl? And you get some cool stuff. Yeah, that's right. You can imagine. So I won't even possibly do the press that girl. And so he got some cool. Yeah, that's right. You can imagine.

So I sat there, I'm like, by the way, honestly, for a moment, I was not in the conversation. Everyone's talking, I disagree. I'm in Lala Land. And this Lala Land is her boyfriend, and I'm like, what's gonna happen? 15 years down the road. So he comes, he comes, he reads, by the way, she's 15.

So she could very easily, and she's doing cheer right now. She's singing a cheer the other day of her school. I'm like, oh the way, she's 15. So she could very easily, and she's doing cheer right now. She's singing a cheer the other day of her school. I'm like, oh my gosh, she's pretty. She puts the stuff on and she do the spa. I mean, she's 15. She's five, but she'll be 15 in no time. She's like, what? Just happening.

No, what I'm saying to you is, 10 years down, that you think that. Then I think about Dylan. I think about Tiko. Like, yeah, I'm doing a parent teacher conference. My level of paranoia for that is higher today than when I was 29 years old. When I was 27, my paranoia was less. The moment I got married, paranoia increases because of a different lens.

Then you have the first kid, your wife's pregnant, second, then you have different paranoia, then you have your parents' aging. All of that stuff adds up. I think the biggest thing is when a person who lacks any paranoia that's something catastrophic can happen to this country, you will get caught. And when you get caught, it's not going to be fun because sometimes in life, almost, you know in your mind you're like, I can fix any problem. I can fix any issue.

I'm good, I can fix this. I can. There are certain problems you can't fix. You have cancer. You can't any problem. I can fix any issue. I'm good, I can fix this. There are certain problems. You can't fix. You have cancer. You can't fix cancer. There are certain problems. You cannot fix. And there's different forms of cancer.

One form of cancer is health. The other form of cancer is when it gets into politics, politicians, and the other form of cancers when these politicians are able to get into universities and schools, and then they get to the kids. The side effects of overcoming that cancer is 40 years. It's not two years, bro. It's 40. Cuba is still f-tap, till today, how many decades has it been?

One cancer goes in. Iran, 1978, 79. That cancer is still there 43 years later and nobody can do nothing about it. And Iran signs a contract with China for 24 years, for 400 billion dollars, whatever the number is, that cancer is going to be there for another 25 years. That's 70 years of a cancer. So there needs to be pushback, there needs to be, I can think for myself, there needs to be, let me think about it, there needs to be, let me back to you There needs to be that notion to the government the government needs to be held a little bit more accountable and not like

Hey, you don't answer what I do in my life. I appreciate the feedback. Thank you for doing your job So that is the only concern because so Say for instance these guys this whole new world order stuff What percentage of new world order you think is conspiracy theory? What percentage of of New World order do you think it's real? What do you think? Yeah, I was No, I've heard of it peripherally and 90% of it has been from the last person I'm gonna go to I'm not gonna go to Gerard. I'm actually not gonna go to Gerard. Okay, when you think about Kai, how are you Kai? 84, 23 going on 60.

Okay, you're 23 years old. 23 years old. When you think about the word, new world order, what do you think about? I think about overreaching of governments and the combination of technology and the big social media companies. Okay, cool.

So, we just look at what happened yesterday. Could we do anything or say anything? Totally get it. Like Eric was saying his girlfriend was freaking out because she couldn't get ahold of her family and a pair of guay. Because what's up was down. Like, as much as we're relying on this and the infrastructure and they're all together and on the same server, talk about not being antifragile that we talked about the other day

too. So it's super vulnerable. If countries unite, if governments unite, and their ideas are now, I would like to be the secretary of whatever for the European division, and the leader of the world is gonna be elected as this person, and if we go in that direction, like an EU except happens to the world,

minus China and a couple other places, you don't have another place to go. You do not have another place to go. When you said, if shit hits the fan, people in New York can go where? They can go to Florida. They can go to Tennessee, people in California can go where? They can go to Arizona, they can go to Texas.

But what if everything becomes the same? Then where are you gonna go? So that is my only concern. I want everybody to be competing. I want you to compete to read the content to come in here So the fan is gonna say, you know, Adam's commentary is weak and I want you to read those comments and go back and say screw you You know Johnny 69. I'm gonna kick your ass in the next podcast and I'm gonna come with some value like an invo Damn look at Adam brought that competition gets all of us to be like up in our game These guys got to get better with the software guys got to get better at spelling hottie, right? We all have to figure out ways on how to improve But the moment the government doesn't have to improve

Go ahead say something. What are you gonna do about it? Nothing. Because I don't have to. Yeah, I'm not going to go with them. I'm not with that. I'm not supervisor. I am to say I'm not good with it. Real quick. These are the same political officials who did not get a pay cut. While everybody else did. Not one damn person said, you know what? I'm not taking no pay because my people in my district that I'm shutting down that I'm not taking no pay because my people in my district that I'm shutting down that I'm voting to shut down right they didn't do that shit and I'm pissed off at all of them because of that because How many people do we know small business owners that have not recovered? You know there's people that are homeless. There's people that have like literally no hope That's the freaking problem and then you you have these talking heads on the news

and this and that just striking fear in every person. People are scared, still. And like Pat said, you know, like these times do build up strong leaders, strong men. Look what they're doing right now. They don't want strong men in the media. They want weak ass dudes. They want, you know what I'm saying? We should

be pounding our chest, man. Toxic. You know toxic masculinity. Please call me that. Screw you. You know what I'm saying? I'm a freaking American. I've traveled. I've been in China. I've toured China. I've been the shins and shingying, Beijing, Shanghai, all that shit. And it is not the same. When I read Robert Spalding's book that shit is real They're trying to damage America right now and it is a problem and people of all races are so soft Stop and just read some freaking books some real shit Not just the little clips, think I'll manipulate it,

these people that we know on social media get, just by seeing like a little snippet, they're gonna see five seconds of like, let's just call it what it is. They'll see five seconds of Trump or whatever, and then just go on a rant. They won't even educate themselves. And what you said about like Iran

and all this other stuff, Americans need to understand what that means. But because of the fact that we don't travel outside of this country, we don't know. And we're so arrogant. I've traveled over 40 countries. I've been to Cuba. I've been to Guantanamo Bay.

You know, I've done a lot of travel. And you know how many times I was in Istanbul, Turkey, and I get a call real quick. I'll tell the story. I get a call from the front desk. They said, Mr. Heath, you need to leave now. Excuse me? Yes.

US Embassy is there to take you to the airport. You know what just happened? Some have been lying just been assassinated. I had to grab my shit and get on four different flights to get my ass home. I landed in Houston and hugged the customs agent. I hugged them. You know why? Cause I was scared and I was proud to be back.

We need that man. People need to like understand what being American is do. I don't know what for, bro. Like you don't know what it feels like to be in another country. And you have no choice. I've been in Venezuela, I've been to Colombia, I've been to all those places, man. This shit is different. Yeah. So we need to wake the hell up. Like this is like don't just like Gerard says is a lot. Like quit just being in this law, law, land and all everything will be fine.

Like it will never happen. Quit using the word conspiracy. Because we all saw the video when Biden and Pelosi and all these other people said, oh, there are no mandate, there are no mandate. What the, what they're doing now? And people voted for that. People should be pissed. They should call them out.

And they're not because they got the confirmation bias and they're just like, well, I don't want to sound like, you know, I voted for this. No, you need to raise your freaking hand and say, yeah, you know, I voted for bad policy. My bad. I won't do it and I won't do it again. That's the problem, but we need to say this shit. It's okay. You voted for him. Good. You use your American right. You voted for it. But you didn't, and you had the intention, you didn't think voting for this president, that this was gonna happen.

I'm not saying that. I don't think any of us are, but that's what's happening. And we need to wake the hell up. I'm tired of the shit. Yeah, I think, I mean, that's incredible, incredible. I know you've told me that, that instant, the turkey story, it's incredible, man. I mean, it's nuts.

I can't imagine what was going through your mind. But, you know, I keep going back to that old parable, right? Like, all it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. It's all it takes. You know, at some point, somebody has to be the one. Somebody has to be the guardian on the wall.

And like you said, I mean, we're kind of in, it's a good thing. It's a good thing that all of us in this generation wanted to be nicer to each other, that we wanted to be more empathetic, that we wanted to say, you know what, I understand where you're coming from, I empathize with your pain and I'm sorry.

But it went too far. And our kindness was 100% taken as a weakness. They weaponized our empathy against us. Now we need a little bit of our grandfather in us. Now we need a little bit of our grandfather in us. Now we need a little bit of John Wayne to come back and say, you know what? I don't care if I hurt your feelings. I care if you listen what I said.

Because if you're true in your intentions, if you're true at heart, if you're not an actual racist, if you're not actually a sexist, if you're not actually an asshole, then you shouldn't be afraid to say anything that you wanna say, and you shouldn't be afraid about how it's gonna be manipulated. 100% I am who I am, and I'm gonna be afraid to say anything that you want to say. And you shouldn't be afraid about how it's going to be manipulated. 100% I am who I am.

And I'm going to be who I'm going to be. And anybody can take what I say, like you said, we speak so much and so often on here. Anybody can take a three second. You talked about this on Rogan. Anybody can take three to five seconds, manipulate it and put it out there. And then it's up to the people, all right, to go back and watch for context. But I actually, when I, when I talk to people and when I listen to people, I think that they're doing that. I think that people don't like being lied to.

People don't like being misled. I think that this era is going to be one defined by authenticity. You're not gonna be able to hide. Look at Kamala Harris. Look at Kamala Harris. She's hated. And then they went on the view and they tried saying

it's because of her gender, because of her race. And it's not. It's because she's as fake as you can possibly be. And you can't be fake anymore. They're gonna find out who you are. They're gonna know who you are. They're gonna know what your intentions are. The I Trust the People.

And that's the big difference between I think the kind of, you know, this freedom movement versus this globalist movement is I trust my neighbors. I trust them. I trust my neighbors. I trust them. I trust my neighbors. I may not agree with you. I may not like you, but I trust you. I trust that I don't need to make a law to say,

don't block a fire exit. Because if there's a fire, you're gonna get your ass out the room. I trust that you don't wanna get burned alive. I trust people. I trust people's ability to be kind and be good to one another. And it doesn't have to be adjudicated. It doesn't have to have to make a law because when we make laws and we're addicted to authority and we're addicted to control What people don't understand is what that law means if you make a law all right

You put a mask mandate out there now the intention might be I'm keeping people safe Well that might look good at first, but take that two steps forward. What if somebody says no? What happens if somebody says no? Well, now you have to get somebody to come and force them out of the establishment. And if they say no to being forced out of an establishment out of a public place, what happens? A cop comes, what is a cop? Like what we saw happen in Australia. That should just create a lady getting there. You go strangled at so somebody where't where I'm at somebody is getting kidnapped Being arrested is being kidnapped at gunpoint. That's what that's what actually being arrested is

So you're having somebody you're so afraid you're so afraid of your neighbor at this moment that you're willing to have an Authority Send somebody to kidnapped them at gunpoint Come on man, all the most important is your point, no mandates. My point is that at this moment in time, okay, that you should allow people to live their life as they see fit. That you should allow people, the wherewithal

and the personal agency to protect themselves and their family and run their business in life accordingly. That's what I'm saying. That is exactly what I'm saying. Now, if you want to do something like New York, do something like New York, fine. But then when everybody leaves, don't start taking federal money,

don't start taking, you know what I'm saying? Like don't, when you run out of California, and then you go to Texas because everybody you got a lot of special gifts in my life. Yesterday I come in, Gerard got me to limited edition Kamala Harris Bobblehead. I mean, there's there's only a few of these. I just want to publicly thank you for this special gift. I got to get one that's right next to my desk. I put it right next to my desk. Is it laugh?

Yeah, it actually does. It laughs. It laughs. Yeah, it's actually does. It laughs. It's a new one that we have and we have a special one that's, you know, I know Adam, it's mine. It's one you know. You can have it. Yeah. We're going to get we're going to get a foul.

You want for you here pretty soon. So, okay. So, this was great. Great discourse. You're going back and forth. Appreciate everybody's commentary on this. Let's go to the next topic. Look, we know what happened yesterday.

It's all over the news topic look we know what happened yesterday so all of the news Facebook Facebook WhatsApp WhatsApp Instagram everybody's textin is your Facebook you text me for some guys is my face is it just me because you're thinking maybe it's me it's the world that will But real quick to conspiracy theory. You noticed that. I was at a conference at the forum yesterday. And all at first, they're blocking me, man. It's all I know it. They're onto me. And then it was the world.

Be fair. Be fair. You didn't believe I was actually Shadowband on Instagram. And then you saw it. What did you see? Tell the world they don't like you. They don't like fair. They don't want you to be heard.

And maybe for good reason, Gerard. All right. So let's talk about the article fromicle from CNN okay Facebook Instagram what's up goes down? Facebook's week just went from bad to worse Facebook and say what's up all suffered outage Midday Monday. We're aware that some people are having trouble Access in our apps and products Facebook said on Twitter the outage came the morning after 60 minutes air day segment and In with Facebook whistleblower Francis, Hagen claimed the company is aware of its platforms are used to spread hate violence and misinformation and that Facebook has tried to hide that evidence, shares of Facebook were down more than 5% in mid-day trading, Monday putting it on pace for

its worst trading day in nearly a year. Now, here's what's crazy about it. While this is going on Yesterday, you're at that event. I'm interviewing a guy named Sean Spiegel who is a whistleblower who used to work at Facebook as a moderator. Okay. So he went from a moderator of choosing the regular things that's coming up, you know memes, all the stuff, then he gets promoted to the next level where he really saw the kind of videos that was being put up. By the way, I've never had a warning at the beginning of an interview where I personally come up and I say, don't watch this interview. Okay, I'm telling people, do not watch it because how uncomfortable and disturbing this video is.

Now, if you want to be aware, watch the interview, but I'm telling you in advance, so we put a warning sign, we put all that stuff in this interview, have we ever done this before in any interview? We've never done this with any interview. Was this a pre-planned interview? It just had a crazy timing.

We interviewed the guy. You called me, I was talking to him. No meaning like, did you set this up weeks in advance? Or did you say, yo, no, no, no, this was set up? Facebook is down, get them on the line now. No, it just so happened that it was, happened it was a coincidence. no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, back from New York's, it's bad. Do you modify sit-in? Okay, do you modify sit-in and listen to this? Okay. Adam, the stuff I heard, my stuff, like it's this,

he said the environment at this place is a moderating. His job is to look at everything that's coming. There's about a thousand people that worked. This is a company that was contracted out with Facebook that eventually they said we're not gonna work for you anymore. A company that does 16 billion per year, cognizant technology solutions. It's a 16 billion a year company. It's not a small company. Anyways, he says, in our facility, there was a thousand of us working there. It was two bathrooms that

they had there. What did he say was always on the wall? He says, you know, people would poop and pee in the, in the what he called it, in the sink. He said, they were so meant, no, no, no, they were so mentally broken. They were so mentally broken that after weeks on the job, people would like start smearing feces on the wall and like start. It's pretty nasty. About the way that's not, let's just say that's a two. That's a two.

The story says, go, go, go, David, would you agree? I'm not even going to tell you the stories because it's so uncomfortable. Yeah, it's very graphic. Very, very graphic. As graphic as you can possibly. And what's the reasoning behind this? So these guys are an enslaved, they can choose the working, right? No, no, no, no, it's very, very odd, very, very odd dynamic.

They're just explaining it. Well, it's extremely uncomfortable. He says, he says, at any point somebody sitting there, your job is to watch the video and then send a report to Facebook. This video needs to be taken down. And Facebook comes back and says, no, that Facebook, that video is going to stay up because this is a private group and it's not a public group. And it's only a private group.

So therefore we're going to leave this up. Yeah. And he says Facebook's position was the more videos like this we keep up, the FBI and cops are going to be able to find a bad guy to go get him. And the guys like, that's not what's happening. And then I said, let me go a little bit deeper with this. By the way, he says people are doing this watching videos, all of a sudden they're throwing up.

He says, at any point, people were throwing up at their workplace. He says it smelled, it was horrible, it was horrific, terrible situation at this workplace. What they're doing. Because somebody has to watch his videos. So anyways, this happens, we interview him, then Facebook is down, then we go live with it yesterday.

I've never had this many people message me about an interview. I did, Pat, I did Pat, I'm having a hard time watching this. This is great. And the guy is, would you say he's part of the LGBT community? No, he said. He said, he said he's, he made a comment. Yeah, yeah, he is, he's not by any stretch of imagination.

This is not a Mackie guy, this is not anybody that's far right. This is a guy who is an animal rights activist and sympathetic to the LGBT movement. And those were his words. And, you know, he cried in the interview. We start talking about animals and what they were doing to kids. Flat-out started crying.

What they do to the kids. What, you know, who's that? People around the world who is. Yeah, so people, yeah, yeah. Apparently there's an entire, look, this is snuff. This is nothing more, this is a snuff. This is snuff. And there's groups where people go and they pay

and they use the Facebook marketplace to pay for these videos. I mean, he described, he described bestiality, he described forced incest, he described, animal cruelty while bestial Steele he was occurring I mean like really as by the way when he said like hell like like like what you would imagine would be an I did not know would be steele limit bestiality meant I I put on Google while he's talking besti Alady yeah and I'm like

Close immediately yeah the stuff that he's talking about no I mean good And this is the reason why people watching the videos are puking, throwing up, going from the inside. No, bro, if you hear the video, like there's one situation with a pig. Yeah, yeah. That's put it like this, when I walked in the office and I saw Pat and Gerard and they were explaining this stuff.

They were shook. I mean, it was like, it was very, it was very like, the vibe was really. And there's no reason to assume the guy's lying. We haven't verified it. We're still in the process of verifying his claims. We're trying to get two or three other people to verify it as well to make sure

that what he's saying is not exaggerated in any way. So, take it anecdotally at this point, right? This is one guy. Put one of the clips, put one of the clips put one of the clips the you know Which one I'm talking about so I asked him a question. I say so do you can you check anybody's That's a whole separate beyond and it's like this was insane. This was crazy Okay, just watch this go ahead and press play go to press play is that the? I say do you guys check instant messenger so you guys were able to see what's being said in the instant messenger and text messages or no? Yes, also whatever we post there and we're communicating you see all of it. Yes, absolutely.

Everything that's communicated here if you wanted to see all of it you can easily see it. Yes. Yes. And what? You have access to who? Like, is there levels of clearance on who you have access to want to be able to go see? Let me see if this one guy, I don't like, let me see what he stands for. I'm going to go see what this guy's saying to this person here. Could you do that or was there limitations to what they sent to you? No. In the general queue, there were limitations where I was that were not.

Were you ever tempted to see some time you know i think i'm were high rubs or go back a little bit go back a little bit ago back a little bit okay go ahead or not go ahead will you ever tempted to see some conversations of people that were high rubs or no i was tempted yes but not specifically higher ups uh... i have to be honest politics isn't my thing i was more curious about seeing what my cousin was saying up in Georgia

uh... he's working there and he wants to go see what his cousin said, but he has access to everybody. But what he said was politics weren't his thing. Yeah. But the place was the most politically charged place. He talked about that. He's ever been. He talked about that. Yeah.

And politics, people were there specifically because of their politics. And that to me was the most shocking part. I mean, what he was saying about the B.C.ology was gross, but anybody that's ever had lively, seen the internet, you know that this stuff's out there in a tainus. This, the fact that anybody can have access to anybody's WhatsApp, anybody's instant messenger, not stuff that was reported, dude,

not something that somebody manually reports. He could go search Adam Sausnex DMs pull it up and read them See them you don't know part of that Dude I'm it's this is this is privacy. Okay. There's a part of it when he says I just care well my cousin in Georgia said, it's funny, obviously. Meaning he gets spying, it's causing a Georgia spying. It's causing a Georgia spying. And it take that so funny thing. But if he wants to see what two senators are talking

to each other, and if he wants to see what anybody empowered to go back and look at all their history, you know, everything, he can find that out. And then that's Facebook. So this is not Facebook. This is a third party Facebook's given access to. That's okay. So think is not Facebook. This is a third party Facebook's given access to this. That's a great question. So think about third party's credit.

So third party. Yeah, so this is a third party. So here's the question I asked because when I was with Rogan, Hillary Clinton's servers. If you remember when I was with Rogan, Rogan, we talked about Jack Dorsey. And he said, I like Jack. He says, I like what he's doing.

And Jack went on two times. The first time people said you didn't push him too hard, he came back and he pushed him a little bit harder with some of the question. With his general counsel there, though. I get that. But the part is when he said, you know, Jack wants Twitter to be more open.

He would like it to be two different formats with Twitter. What is like on the back end? Where you can say free-for-all, do whatever you want to say. He wanted to Twitter, is that right? He wanted to Twitter, is he? Yeah. So for me, I go and I asked the one question, I said, okay, Facebook, like yesterday,

we haven't even gone to what we think happened yesterday. That's the really what we gotta get into. Cause I got thoughts, yeah. So I said, so let's give the guy to benefit at a doubt. They got 60,000 plus employees, okay. That doesn't count contractors. So I had another 100,000 contractors, people that are working off site,

but they're not W2, they're 1099 contracts that they're working, whatever the number is, let's just say 60,000 employees. Maybe he doesn't know what's going on. Maybe he doesn't know what's going on. But listen, you got like, I got stuff going on here, we got 40 employees, but you guys go out, I don't even know where you guys went.

I don't know what's going on. So imagine with 40, I don't know what's going on. You think you're gonna know what's 60,000? We got 16,000, 17,000 insurance agents. Yeah. In 150 offices nationwide. You think I know everything that's going on. So go to 60,000 employees because could this be a part where when you're a CEO at this level, he's probably got 30 C suite executives. He's got 20 C-suite executives. Who are the people that knew that they report up that the people at the top know? Why is this content being left up? This is a compliance

issue. So this leads to yesterday, Facebook going down. So why did Facebook go down? Let's talk about possibilities. I'll throw some out there and then you give yours. Go ahead. You have a thought. Yeah, yeah. Before we get into that, more importantly, you also asked him about how does shadow banning work and do they act, you said I've been doing this for a long time. He admitted, he admitted to social engineering. There's videos, Pat said I've been doing this for a long time and the videos, they'll rise, they'll rise,

they'll rise, then they'll Peter off, but there's some videos, they rise, they rise, they rise, and then they fall off a cliff. Is that organic or he goes absolutely not. That's somebody saying that they don't want this message out there and they just turn it off they just turn it off they said somebody saying I've one person making that I said the same thing who has that decision kind of authority who has a password not at his level he reports and gives Facebook what to do

Facebook chooses what they want to do with and they can't delete anything yeah they simply watch and send in. That's what his job is. And a Facebook has to decide. So on a couple of the instances, Facebook left the stuff up and he kept going back. He kept going back. He kept going back.

He kept going back. They said, no, this is gonna stay up. We're not taking this down. So yeah, but. Facebook has to be aware, like the whistleblower story I know we're gonna get into, but Facebook has to be aware that Sean Spiegel, whatever his name is, or Billy McGillic-Huddy, or John Doe,

is gonna be able to speak out about this. Like this guy has no loyalty to Facebook. At any point, he can do an interview with you. He gets fired as like his job. People are thrown up around on me fucking quits. And now you can do, like, how many, there's a thousand people working in a room and this is what they're doing, right?

How many of them can speak out? It seems like it has to know that. They're so arrogant, I think, I think that they know that they can control the narrative to such a level. Right? That they know. Right? They know.

Like, look, even in our minds, there's a little bit in all of us right now that are saying, man, I do know, we're really, we're talking about this stuff. We're really going there. We're talking, each one of us, if we're being honest, we're saying, look, we're doing it. We're going for it, man, we hope the listeners appreciate this because we're all putting ourselves going there. We're talking each one of us if we're being honest. We're saying look, we're doing it We're going for it man And we hope that we hope the listeners appreciate this because we're we're all putting ourselves out there What what what is that what is that inside of all of us because all of us know that these guys are all holding it over us at all the time When that guy said it pat asked that question yesterday and I was sitting in the back

I said holy shit. This guy just admitted to social engineering. That's not moderation By the way, the way he said it the way he said said it, he says, I said, do you have a problem what they're doing on the left and the right? He says, well, on the right, there were people on the right that were saying, what were the stuff that they were saying? I have some questions. I think Trump should be off of Facebook.

You think he should be off? He says, well, let me think about this one here, because on one end, if he was a regular person doing what he was doing, probably, yes, if he was a regular person doing what he was doing, probably yes, if he was a regular person, but if he's the president and he's doing what he's doing in the January 6th event, yes, he kind of went up there and he's the one that started it,

but later on that night at six o'clock, he did come and tell people, go home, and I love, he disguised like, he's going through the sequence on how he's explaining it, right? And then he he says no, I think he should still be on and then he says I said what were the people pushing on the right. So he said what did he sound the right left? No, no, the right. The right was pushing. I'll just be a nasty bullying, lip tards. Oh, bullying. No, yeah, but yeah, that's right. So and then he said on the left, there's

too much push on kids being part of the LGBT the lgbt lgbtq community which i which i support he says which i support he supports the lgbtq community he says it's too big of a push amongst kids and he says it's too much too big of a push on transgender uh... uh... have an influence over kids and that's being left out there and this aggregation you said the left is they they don't want to coexist there's too many people that just they want they think there and this... As segregation. You said the left is they don't want to coexist. There's too many people that just, they think there should be two worlds. By the way, if you watch this interview,

you'll say this guy's on the left. You won't say this guy's on the right. Like if you watch this guy, you're not gonna say, oh, you know, he's a supporter of, you know, well, he's in it, really, right? No, I don't think he's in it. I'm gonna put this guy in center left because there were still some errors,

but for the most part, he's tried to stay as reasonable as possible. He was trying to be as reasonable as possible, very level headed. The craziest part of the interview for people that haven't seen it is how matter of factly he answered these insane questions. Are we watching? It was like a gotcha question. Are you guys listening to our messages?

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah, can you search messages from, yeah, no problem. So wait, is Facebook turning off viral content? Yeah, yeah, they determine what messages they want out with. Like he was just so matter of fact. It was like, it was like bone chilling. How matter of fact this guy was about the social engineering. In your opinion, what level of credibility does this guy have a one through ten in your opinion

I'm gonna give this guy seven seven eight. Okay. Yeah, and let me let me tell you Yeah, cuz he doesn't have a bone to pick with Facebook. Yeah, it's a bone to pick He's a he's an animal activist. He's his main goal was just to like sure the animal. Yeah, no, it's like it's it's it's all about animal he saw one time they he saw a video about oh so I'm I'm so I said what was the most disturbing video he said one time there was a video the two boys know these two boys were taking the iguanas from the tail and they were smashing the iguanas on the ground so hard and iguanas were having the scream I've never heard any I never knew iguanas could scream like that and they're hitting the head Yeah, and they did this with different types of animals and they would put it in their private Facebook group and that stayed on

Silence of the lamp stuff. She says like iguana like it was so like who who says so you have to know how is why these ain't let me ask you without okay this is just a hypothetical sick stuff that's going on right sick stuff without Facebook without social media these fucking sickos would be doing this regardless regardless now they're doing it for the world to see or for people to see. And maybe, maybe they could be held accountable for their heinous acts. Is that maybe a good thing that you could hold

these people accountable? Because there's people. I'm talking about that. I know a buddy of mine, he's fine now. I mean, ironically, he's a big mag a guy, but this guy would put his cat in the microwave as a kid. Five seconds. I'm like, what the fuck are you doing guy, but this guy would put his cat in the microwave as a kid. Yeah, five seconds. I'm like, what the fuck are you doing?

You fucking weirdo. Okay. And then I was like, dude, this is, what do you do it? Like this isn't cool. Like, we're, you know, we're 12 years old. Like this isn't funny. Ha ha, like, not cool. Okay, but this is pre-social media stuff.

This is minor, whatever. But there's people that do this sick stuff. Yeah, no. And as much as we're railing against social media right now, maybe it's, you know, it's kind of like shooting yourself in the foot. Maybe it sounds like their job isn't to, they're sending this to Facebook. They're not sending the shit to the authorities. But if the authorities can see this kind of stuff. Well, again, you guys got to watch the video. He brought up that claim and he was like, we need to bring this to the authorities. He brought up that claim and he was like, we need to bring this to the authorities.

And then according to him, he was like, Facebook was like, we don't need that type of publicity. We don't need that, you know, like, if the authority is on the phone. So Facebook doesn't want to be cop because if they become cop, the category of the type of business they become changes and you as the user lose trust in community,

like even right now we talked about the fact that the guy says they can read every message what percentage of the people that are listening are kind of like Oh, so I'm gonna make sure I filter out those three things I would say some people probably want to play That's what I'm saying So I think people are just gonna carry on with their lives, but no, no, but 10% is 10% 10% is not a small number That's still a big number so to me when you see this see this, okay, let's go to what happened yesterday. Let's go to what happened yesterday. There's plenty on this, we got a few other stories I want to touch up on as well. And when we got 31 minutes left, 32 minutes left.

So yesterday, what really happened yesterday? Let me tell you the different stories that I've heard. One of the stories was what? That they, somebody on the back end is permanently taking the Facebook and Instagram code out. I think barstool sports put it up. Some Twitter account, Academy put it up and some of these other guys put it up. I mean, these are verified accounts.

These are not like regular accounts that they put it up. And that one viral and that got a lot of you saying, maybe Facebook and Instagram is permanently gone and people are texting me, what's gonna happen if this thing's permanently gone and Twitter posts a tweet which was hilarious. What did Twitter say? He says, we welcome all of you, something like that.

Kai, if you can find that Twitter tweet, they capitalize on this a lot yesterday. As they should. Yeah, as they should. They said, hello, literally everyone. They got 3.2 million likes, 773,000 retweets. So one of them is, okay, somebody hacked and they destroyed the code, whatever. So that's not the case. Another one is China was is, okay, somebody hacked and they destroyed the code, whatever.

Okay, so that's not the case. Another one is China was involved, okay, and because of what happened to 60 minutes and so China's coming out and saying, hey, you guys better, you know, whatever, okay, so that's that part. The one that was very interesting that to me really got me thinking was the following. There was a group of people that said Facebook did this. Facebook did this to themselves. Why would Facebook do this to themselves? Facebook went and cleaned house with everything they had because of what happened a couple weeks ago,

and we could go with Apple coming out and saying we're going to take you off the platform, with Facebook and Instagram. Apple just announced that a week ago and a week later you come out and you do this Maybe they took it down and they went Destroyed, you know who knows bunch of these pages on the back end and took a bunch of the things out and some of the stuff that you can actually go see To clean up their name because it was down for quite a few hours. It wasn't like six hours It wasn't like 30 minutes. So it could be an internal thing that happened like six hours, it wasn't like 30 minutes. So it could be an internal thing that happened. Now, I don't know if that's true or not,

that to think about that thought would Facebook all the scrutiny they're getting, this is what's happening. Then another part is the fact that, you know, the 60 minutes lady was talking about what kind of content is being staying up. Another story was the fact that Facebook helped Trump with election,

and they don't want Facebook to have the kind of power in the next election because they have so much power in getting somebody elected so if there's control on mainstream media the left's only threat is what they don't have control over which is Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg is not a yes guy Mark's not saying yes and they kind of don't like that Mark's not not sitting there saying yes we'll do this, yes we'll do that. He's the only one that said you know we'll see if we're going to get Trump at but we're not permanently banning Trump. We're going to have our team that look at it. Twitter says what? We're permanently banning Trump right. So Facebook is a threat to the left because Facebook could help the opposing party get elected. Maybe they want a little bit more control. Someone distinct to be more controlled by the government because if the government controls Facebook it's over so imagine if the government runs Facebook would you want that so anyways that's some of the

stuff i've heard i'll leave it up to you guys jirard what do you think happened yesterday based on some of the articles you read i don't want to get crazy in the conspiracy sir but i just i think uh... i think it's very very the the timing of things is very very curious i it's very, very, the timing of things is very, very curious. It's becoming more and more difficult for me to consider coincidences over the last 18 months to two years. Coincidences just seem to keep piling up into ways that increase power for the most powerful amongst us. It's amazing how these coincidences keep funneling

into their wind column You know China tightens the political control of internet giants is a story that headlines ABC news three days ago They fly 38 38 fighter fighter jets over Taiwan yesterday There's a leak with CNN I would on CNN about Facebook and then Facebook goes down. Snapchat goes down. You know, WhatsApp goes down six hours. TikTok's fine. I don't see this all as being isolated instances.

I see this all as being somehow interconnected. I think that there are political games, there are machinations being played at levels that it's hard for normal people to understand and to comprehend what's happening on a global scale. I think the world is becoming very, very, very small at the top of the pyramid. And I think that there's a lot of people

vying for control for that top. And we're kind of seeing that trickle-down effect down, hit us. That's what I think happens. And my biggest takeaway was like while we're joking, and while we're all looking at our Facebook, and while we're like, wow, this is, you know, people are like, get outside, talk to each other. My whole thing is like, man, I can't believe how easy it was to disconnect the world. I can't believe how easy it was to disconnect

everybody. You know, if they did that and they took cell service away, what would we do? Like, that's it. What would they do? For six hours, what could be done in six hours of radio silence? How much ground could be lost? Could you recover? Six hours of radio silence. What could be taken from you? That's what my mind went through.

My one went through is I am remarkably underprepared for what I think is an increasing. Give me two hours. I'll have to work. That's what I think is an increasing. Give me, Joe. That's what I'm saying. What could happen in six hours? Six hours of radio silence. How much different could the world you come back to be? And I felt very helpless in that I'm completely and totally under-prepared for that eventuality.

Yeah, well, to your point, like what could happen? I think, you know, for a few years now, maybe longer have we been hearing about antitrust and monopoly and, you know, we got a break up Facebook. They're too big, too big to fail. The banks are too big. Everything that we've heard for years with Wall Street. Yesterday was pretty damn evident, like ironically, Twitter was sick.

Hello world. Yeah. Cause you had basically one source of, all right, here's, we can go to tell your story when Facebook owns Facebook Instagram. Oh, by the way, shout out to Michael Burry's option call on Facebook for two weeks back, right?

I'm not exactly. It just puts thing in perspective like, damn, do we need to break up Facebook? Does, are they getting too big? Are they getting too clearly? That is a great question. What do you think about that? That's something that we need to talk about.

And then part B to that is I've also heard, well, the whistleblower, what was her name again? Francis, hey again, she had some pretty compelling stuff if you haven't seen that interview. So someone said, well, yeah, her interview, the whistleblower basically saying that Facebook was sort of like amplifying stuff that was more divisive, controversial topics, and it would push it to the top of the algorithm and get, you know,

that's how you would make your ad money because it's so engaging and all that stuff. And they said, because of her interview and the whistleblowering that they wanted to do something to draw less attention away from her interview. And I said, I don't know about this, but buddy of mine, I was like, I don't know about that man because I gotta be honest with you. I was just kinda living my own life on Sunday watching Tom Brady do his thing. I didn't see the interview.

I didn't hear about the interview, ironically. So now, all I'm hearing about is the interview because Facebook went down. So why would they want to? Plus the interview was to me like a big nothing burger? It was just like okay, whatever it wasn't that yeah, I mean it was a big deal, but not that big of a deal, but now you know all your platforms are going down for six hours. The whole world is now talking about Facebook. That doesn't make sense to me that would be sort of counterproductive. If I were gonna go that route with your buddy

The Pandora papers make more sense to me. Pandora papers make way more sense. Vladimir Putin goes, shut it down. You know, like, I don't, the world doesn't need to know about this. So they just shut it all down. Do we think, what, so what are the top three reasons for this? You're saying that it was a hack, China, something like that, a data breach, Facebook shut it down intentionally.

It was just an accident. I don't think this doesn't seem coincidental. What do you think? Do I think this was an accident? Like accidentally this happened? No, I don't think this doesn't seem coincidental what do you think do i think this was an accident like accidentally this happened no i don't think this is an accident do i think we know for fact what happened no do i think facebook knows what happened absolutely do i think facebook will reveal to the world what really happened zero chance so you know everything else is until

somebody on the inside the size to come out and be the next whistleblower to say what really happened on Facebook Everything's gonna be speculation. You can have my seat. Yeah, this is warm for you come sit down anybody from Facebook Twitter Please, you know you you are going to do you're gonna be remembered all right for what you do in this world If you sit there and do nothing again, we talked about it if you allow do in this world, if you sit there and do nothing, again, we talked about it. If you allow, if you do nothing, all right, that's all evil needs to win, all right. Come out and use the platform, speak your truth. Let me ask you question.

Let me ask you question. Do you think the world's a better place without Facebook? Like you're saying like I'll think Facebook and being gone. Do you think we'll go back to what Adam said before because that was a very good question. Do you think Facebook, as it currently exists, is a good thing? Do you think it should be broken up?

Well, to me, it's not about whether it's broken up or not. I don't, if the answer to the question is, Mark didn't know, yeah, you need seven CEOs running companies. If Mark didn't know that this stuff is taking place, you need more leadership to do what they're doing. No question about it. This is too big.

Yeah, if that's the case. But if Mark, let's just say we talked to Mark, did you know about this? I did not know about this. No problem. You need to be broken up. You need more leadership. How do you not know about this? How important is this, Matt?

If this is true, how important is it to you, Mark? Very. It is. Yeah. So don't you think as a CEO of the company, you need to be aware of something that's very important to you? Yes. So who screwed up here? Who needs to get fired?

Who didn't do their job? Is there enough investment being made in people to watch over this? Maybe right now you're only putting one percent of the company's revenue and two profits into it. Maybe you need to increase that to three percent if it's really important. Maybe the amount of control needs to be internal. Maybe they're so that's the conversation I'm having. That's purely a business conversation for me. If Mark didn't know. But let's circle back to what you talked

about earlier with you know them being able to turn off content then being able to shadow man. Mark Zuckerberg is not making that call. Mark's not looking at who do you think who you think who you think who you think who you think who you think who you think who you think who you think who you think who you think who you think who you think who you think who you think who you think who you think who you think who you think who you think who you think who you think who you think who you think who you think who you think who not making that call. Mark's not looking at who do you think and who do you think they're gonna know this. And what's the screening process for the people that add their finger on the button? So let me ask you questions. So you gotta be very careful when you go in there by the way.

You gotta be very careful if you go in, people have to be very careful complaining about that. Let me explain, because if we go in that complaining about that a little bit too much, who's the only other person that is going to control that button? I don't think there should be a button. No, no, wait, there needs to be a button. Let me explain why there needs to be a button.

The whole purpose of this gap, there's no button, those videos will be live public to everybody. No. No, that's not what we need. Let me put it to you this way. First time you saw, again, we talked about this before. First time you saw extreme porn, what did it do to you? How old were you?

Like it messes with a kid when you see that, like what the hell is this? Like you know how they say smoke and weed is okay if you tried after 30 years old, if you smoke we too early, it's not good, you do, you do, it's too early for your kids watching. Faces of death. Yeah, that's a great example like that's a great example was you know I remember being like what 10 12 years old or like oh man like

You're seeing faces of death were like what's that and then you see someone getting shot? I think Yeah, sure but if we were talking to cage six millimeter remember them If we were talking to cage six millimeter, do you remember them? Nine, whatever the hell it was. Yeah, snuff film. Sure. But if we're just talking about that binary,

if we're talking about the binary extreme of too much censorship or too little censorship, give me too little all the time, every single time. And that person who's posting that snuff, all right, everybody in the world will know who it is. And we can point the finger at them and we can say, that's who it is. That's the bad guy. Go, that's who it is. That's the bad guy.

That's the bad guy. Go get the bad guy. That was my point earlier. That's the answer we have. I learned about the broken Windows theory from Rudy Giuliani. From our conversation with Rudy Giuliani, it is in a remarkably small amount of people

in the world that are committing heinous crimes. And all you have to do is find that small. The, the, the, the, you're saying dooby the cop of those bad guys. No one I'm saying is is that putting them in the shadows doesn't make the snuff go away. It just makes it be in the shadows. So censoring other people under the guise

of somehow protecting the innocent is, is, to me, a horrible slippery slope. I, you don't protect the innocent by silencing people that, that are, haven't done anything wrong. And you don't give, you don't give, I don't give, I don't give, I don't protect the innocent by silencing people that haven't done anything wrong. And you don't give, you don't give, I don't give, I produce power. So then I tend to agree with Gerard on this. Yeah, do you have like a level setting? You know what I mean?

Like a certain setting, the same like, yeah, I want to see explicit content. And therefore, like people can, you know, okay, well, I want to see this face of that. I that I want to see this stuff well that's just what they have on the movies you know but with the little what's in the longs and society whatever what I think what the moderator was saying more than anything else is what these people were doing was remarkably illegal this was incest this was um um uh pedophilia this was bestiality these things are in fact illegal why isn't the company that he works for, because we already say like, reporting that to the authority.

And they don't want to see it. He said why he was blowing. He said these people are such idiots. They left their license plate on there. He says, in many cases, they left the streets where they lived on. Like, you could go find these guys. Like, they're idiots.

They could be a digital vigilante and say, I'm gonna create this company. I would guarantee you. I would bet you anything that this guy has fantasized about being Batman. He knows who these people are and going, and yeah, he needs to be protected. To your point.

Like seriously, you gotta expose the shadows with the sunlight. You give that reference. These people are gonna be doing some wild shit regardless. And if they're that foolish and that sloppy to show their home address or show their license plate and they do it on Facebook or Facebook live and they get caught, I'd rather them get caught than just continue to do that. So you're saying leave 100% of the stuff on. I'm not saying 100%. I'm

definitely not saying 100%. But these people are going to be doing illegal, weird, crazy, psychopathic stuff, like, you're worthless. I'm not advocating for it either. I'd like to catch that, though. I think we're all on the same page, Pat, was he afraid of his well-being? No, I don't think so at all.

Really, no. I would be scared, shit, I'd be like that. But this is a guy that's got, he's not somebody that's married. He's a guy that's like, listen, I'm just, I'm just doing this because I want this stuff to stop. I'm not trying, he says, I don't want money for this. He says, I don't want, I'm just trying to get a city to stop. Here's my question for you.

Are these whistleblowers heroes? I think the different word for me is necessary. Okay. I think the different word for me is necessary. I don't know if I feel comfortable saying heroes or not. There may be, I mean, for somebody that's exposing this stuff, they're saying they are heroes. But it's very easy in a situation like this to blame everything on Zuck and Dorsi. It's very easy to do that.

It's all Zuck over Xf's only that's what it is okay yeah fine yeah there's some responsibility on the guy at the top which is what everything rises on falls on leadership fine yes got it and then there's some responsibility on the leadership team that knows about this what they're doing about it but only concern is if this thing gets to the government if the government controls that button you don't want that no that button, you don't want that. No. I can guarantee you don't want that.

Look, an insurance company that we're doing business with back in the days of Iva, I don't know if you remember Iva or not. Back in 2007, 2006, they were the number one insurance company for this product called the IUA. They were killing it with annuities and life. I never hear about Iva anymore. Yeah, because they were bought out

and it's a different company. Which, by the way, let's stick to a Viva and and One day everybody gets a call and says hey, have you noticed? They're no longer taking as many policies as they were now. This is people that told me I never did business with a Viva But this is like 50 people told me this I said no, why what happened? He says it seems like you know They're no longer taking underwriting like they did because they used to I said Men 50 clients like this they accept at all 50 of them, but the last 10 clients I submitted like this They're no longer taking it. What the hell is going on here?

So then from the outside word got out that they control the knob and the knob is underwriting Underwriting is we will take a client at this level and we will not take a client at this level. So you just simply control the knob. But in insurance, you make money when you no longer take premium. Meaning it takes seven years for an insurance policy to be profitable to the insurance carrier. So it's not a short term,

it's a long term, that number you hear about is typically seven years. Okay, so if they have to control the knob and say, oh, here's what we're gonna go. Great. I don't mind if Aviva has that knob to control. I worry if the government controls that knob because Aviva controls that knob. Guess what? There's 50 other insurance companies I can go to. Yeah, it's going to be disruptive. Yeah, it's going to be annoying. Yeah,

you know, I can't believe you did this. Yeah, and they did some stuff that was very shady, but they controlled it up. We went to another insurance company. You can go, I up. We went to another insurance company. You can go, I'm going to go to this insurance company. Well, great. And we interviewed with them, but we went to a different insurance company. And the guys that were there at that time, they said, yep, who left to another company, and said that actually happened.

That's what we were going through. So I would still much rather keep this on Facebook, then put this on the government. Because all it takes is one guy to come in and he knows it like what you talk about with Obama did with IRS one guy to come in forget about it forget about it. Forget about it. So think about it right now We're talking all of a sudden it starts to the spinning thing and the video is not going and boom podcasts taking down You can have this time some types of conversation. How many people today? This thing's gonna end up getting, say, 80,000 views. Let's just say, give or take,

80,000, 100,000, just this podcast. The short clips, say, get some million views. Okay, total distance gets one and a half million views. Total, with short clips. How many people you think you shifted their mindset? How many people do you actually think added a million and a half? You got them to think and go home and talk to their husband,

their wives, their kids, their friends, their peers, their coworkers. How many people have their minds had been shifted by listening to this podcast? If she just wanted to work that out. She shifted, you mean, she changed. No, shifted like to the point where, you know, I gotta tell you, I was listening to podcasts today

and the guys were talking about this. You know what, there's bodybuilder, fill the, I don't know, yeah, but this guy's seven, oh, no, I know who he is, okay. And they were talking with this other guy, and I'm drawing, and Adam said this, and they were saying this, and I gotta tell you, I know always, okay, and they were talking with this other guy, and I'm drawing, and Adam said this, and they were saying this, and I got to tell you, I'm wondering, what do you guys think about this?

Because so then it's like, you know what, I'm having a hard time believing this now, and in that conversation goes to one person, two, three, four, five, eight, 50, 100, 200, that's shifting mindset. You're getting people to start questioning certain things. How many people added a million and a half you think are thinking right now?

And their shift, their mindset's being shifted. What do you think? What do you think that number is? Actually, what do you think about this? Kai, what do you think that number is? 1500. 1500. Okay. What do you think that number is? You want like 0.01% type of a deal? Whatever you're going to set the over under at, I'm taking the under. Okay. So you're going to say less than 1%. Whatever you're going to set the over under is, I'm taking the under okay so you're gonna say less than 1% whatever you're gonna set the over under is I'm taking the under okay so can you instead of being so technical gamble or from Vegas give us a number 1% half a percent I well if there's any indication of what's going on our country we we use these stats all the time that you know 45% of people are gonna vote Democrat 43 are gonna percent of the Republican 3% are gonna poll

libertarian, and then there's maybe 10% maybe. You're right. You're right. So what percent? So 10%. If that. Great.

I'm going to go lower. Let's say, let's say 10,000 people, let's say 1,000 to 10,000 people. Say it's a thousand digits. Let's say it's 1,000 people. Say it's 1,000 people. You know what? 1,000 people leads to.

1,000 leads to 10,000, 200,000 very quickly. It's conversations you had that leads to, tata tata tata. But imagine if you can't have those conversations anymore. Or is the influence. So that's why I don't want that button to be controlled by the government. I just don't.

You know, that's a great point. And to be honest, I really don't even care about changing people's minds. I just want them to start questioning what they are being told. I want them to just, I just, just have the mind, not change in mind, just have the mind to do it. Yeah, just question like, you know what, man, be inquisitive. You know, David, David, you're over there, you're awake, bro.

When you, when you first came in, right, when you for, you're a little younger, you're in a demographic. when you're a little younger, you're in a demographic. I'm sure that you had a mentality, or I'm sure that you had an opinion of capitalist or whatever before you came here. And now six months later, has that opinion changed at all? Yeah, absolutely. I think I'd had a vague understanding of everything,

just what you see online, but now obviously being more immersed than I'm seeing you guys discussed it day to day. It's definitely changed my opinion a lot of things and I see things through a different sort of glass. I think just humanizing different perspectives is the most important thing. We are more and more and more would driven, and maybe it's because like what she said on 60 minutes, Facebook is trying to do this, you know, these people are lib tarts, these people are idiots, these people are maggots,

these people right, and it's humanizing somebody with a different perspective is an incredibly important thing because we are so much more alike than we are different. All right, even me and you, Cammy, me and you are so much more alike than we are different, right? But, you know, he's talking to Kamala Harris to make sure our just stepped out of his comfort zone. She's staring at me, she's looking right at me,

but dude, she's giving that little, again, yeah. I just, I hate how manipulated we are in this moment. I hate feeling manipulated and I hope other people are recognizing that manipulation. They don't have to agree, they can disagree that I want them to recognize the manipulation. That's my goal, more than anything else. Okay, let's talk about the next thing.

Schumer escalates pressure on debt limit plan. Plan's vote next week, page five. And there's a follow-up to this. Okay, Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer ratcheted a pressure on Republicans and their feud overraising the national debt limit announcing Thursday he will seek a vote as early as next week on House pass read legislation suspending the legal Sealing sender Republicans have twice blocked the debt ceiling measuring measures from advance in the 50 50 chamber where 60 Votes are needed to proceed on most legislations if they want to pose

This measure and bring us closer to financial disaster. They can write their name in the history books as a senator That would let the country default for the first time ever But Republicans need to get out of the way so Senate Democrats can address this issue quickly and without Endangering the stability of our economy. So Schumer says this now Kristen cinema Goes to the bathroom and folks are following her either chance to watch the video you were telling me about this and to the bathroom and folks are following her. I had a chance to watch the video. You were telling me about this and they literally follow her

to the stall, like not to the bathroom door to the stall and the cameras on she goes in the stall. Comes out, she says this is very inappropriate because her and Schumer is not for it. But how far do you think this is gonna go with the situation on raising the debt limit? What do you think this is gonna go to hard? Does anybody think this is not getting passed?

I think the only thing is a dollar amount. You think three and a half is gonna get passed? I think it's all negotiation. You ask for three and a half. I demand one and a half. We settle on 2.7 and the American pays for it all. I mean, how many times have we seen this game? This is how we govern now.

You know, the remarkable failure of our current government is to pass horrible, horrible legislature and then use years of horrible legislature to take away what we did. The way that we legislate now for people that don't know how pork works inside of bills, they say it. We need to pass it so we know what's in it. We need to pass it so we know what's in it.

So we get this insane 50,000-page bill that's written by lobbyists. It's not written by our actual elected officials anymore, lobbyists, all right? Professional bribers put parts of the bill in. Then they pass the bill based on nothing more than party affiliation. And then over the course of the next 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 years,

the more egregious aspects of the bill will be whittled away within pork inside of other bills. So in the in the 2027 budget, there will be an addendum on page 3,290, you know, addendum 13 part B section two that says, okay, the gas mile tax that we put in under the Biden infrastructure act in 2001 was a bad idea we're getting rid of that. So we'll have that bill for seven years. It's a constant kick the can. All right. What again, guys, why are we paying, why are we paying taxes? If all we have to do to fund everything, if it costs nothing, why are they taking your money? Why are they taking your money?

Why are you guys just printing more money? If this is what we're doing now, if we're all Ken Zians now, why are you taking people's money, spending more of it than you have, and then giving them a bill for the future as well? And we're just sitting here taking it. We just sit here and go, yeah problem we can't default how dare we default if these guys can't run the country of five trillion dollars how do we how do you know the system is set up that way right and then you got mansion comes

out and says one and a half trillion is my limit that i'm going to go on the bite in economic agenda and the battle with progressive this is a CNN story moderate democratic he says has made it clear one and a half trillion was a price deck that he was willing to settle on his party plan to expand the safety net, putting him $2 trillion away from the lowest number of progressive Democrats have said they would expect. I've never been a liberal in any way, shape or form, mentioned, said, I'm willing to come from zero to 1.5 trillion.

Mansion has noted that Congress has spent $5.4 trillion since last March in response to the pandemic, and he has asked, he has, at some point, all of us, regardless of party, must ask the simple question, how much is enough? You gotta love this guy. Yeah, absolutely. You gotta love this guy.

Yeah, the fact that they have like what, the 2500 page report, I'll be damned if anyone shows me something like that you can't tell me fifty pages of it that's my problem pat you read an insurance company if you had two thousand freaking pages of like policies and this and that the other you would definitely be able to just discuss this

and be able to expand or if it's a decision to spend if it's the decision because what's three and a half trillion dollars what part of the gdp is three and a half trillion dollars what part of the GDP is three and a half trillion dollars What percentage of the GDP is that like what's our what's that one point seven percent now 17 percent What what what percentage what's our GDP 20 20 trillion that's I'm doing a 20 trillion three and a half trillion on 20 trillion 17% so so if the company is doing

100 million dollars easy math. So yeah, this thing's gonna cost us hundred million dollars, easy math. So yeah, this thing's gonna cost us $17 million. Yeah, no, no, you don't just say, let's go ahead and do it. It's gonna be a ton of research, commentary, going back and forth. Why do we need to spend 17%? Why can't we take?

Of course, we can have a lot of color behind it, but these guys are sinners and like, listen, let's just go get that $17 million. And then find out what we're gonna do with this money. Tell me one bank that's gonna say yes. So essentially in a situation like this, we're the bank and the bankers are saying, don't worry about it, go ahead and do it.

That's the part that I'm uncomfortable with. Where it's like, you know, and I know we voted our leaders for them to go hash this out and make the decision for themselves. But still, there's still accountability to what happens with that money. So you take on that money You take on that debt you run a company and you default or or you don't use that money wisely

What happens to you in your company? You're out of business serious Concerious because what happens to these guys? It's not their money. They get reelected They get reelected they get reelected because the amount of people that they give the money to there's a carrot Where's the stick? Anyways, by the way, we are getting to the end of it. I do want to give a shout out to a couple people. We haven't even covered everybody that's given these super chats.

One of the ones I'll give is Julie Swenson gave $49 saying, I saw the interview with the whistleblower. I now question myself, do I get off the platform or stay for business? What does that say about me, my morals, my values, anyone else feel this way? Pretty interesting for Jack. Is that saying of the Jewish ones who come from the vault?

Peter's ones? I think so. Okay, I think so. Yeah, I think so. That's a great question for her to ask. But, you know, we may do, you know, me park tomorrow. We're still talking about it. We may do something on podcasts tomorrow because I'm not here Thursday.

I'm out of town this week. So we're not going to podcast on Thursday. We've got to get her early because I think she flies out Wednesday. What time is it? Okay, we'll figure that out if we can, if we can, we'll do podcast tomorrow. So folks, stay tuned. We're definitely not doing it on Thursday because I'm out of town, but we may do it tomorrow. With that being said, if you've not seen the interview would Sean Spiegel, Kai.

Put that link both in the chat box, as well as in the commentary for folks to see. And if you like what we're doing, Geng, here's how you can help us. If you wanna see this thing continue, give us a thumbs up, share this with your peers, and subscribe to the channel, the big good is get, the more messages being heard,

the more time we'll put into this podcast as well. That's the way you'll show us if you like the content we're putting it up. Let's maybe make a challenge. Well, let's give people a homework assignment. Let's watch that episode, Sean Speagle. That's a homework assignment. And then, you know, we're odds people here, right?

We're currently, this is episode 93. We're currently sitting at 87,000 subscribers. By episode 100, we got to hit 100,000 subscribers by episode a hundred. We got to hit a hundred thousand Is that realistic? I think that's very realistic. Can we make that happen? I think that's Can you tell your friends realistic if you're like Gerard tell your friends about Gerard? Who doesn't like Phil? If you hate me All good. I love you too. I'm sorry man. So but tell your friends get part of this You got to fill the description of that video I just want to look them up.

His name is not searchable. So the description for that video needs to be put up there. I don't know if you know what I'm saying or not. Yeah, there's nothing on there that you can't find that interview, but we'll handle that. And if you haven't put the link below yet, I just posted it on the chant. There you go and put in the comment section.

I know we've got one minute left. Yeah, but you know, a, not a car guy, I gotta bring up this car situation. Oh, what the hell was that? How did we go? Yeah. We can't go two hours. No, but, I mean, give us a little 60 second,

gone in 60 seconds, like, what was that? I've never, you drove it. How was it yesterday when you drove it? Honestly. A dream. Can you put up the picture by the way? A dream. Unreal.

What have you driven? So the audience knows what else you driven a driven La Ferraria? I've drove a she-ron Bugatti. I've driven a piece. I've driven McLaren's car guy absolutely This car guy this car I'm a subway guy, but I gotta tell you this car right here Look how sexy man congrats Pat Car right here look how sexy man congrats Pat I'm gonna blow your mind a little bit. What does nothing for me? I know it does I know I know what I love that you get in there and you're like oh Well, that's how you are when you get in a lift

Lift a lift amazing. I see how excited that would be Lift amazing. I see how excited that that would be free man That would be some big content. We get you a uber account and you start over it around classic Well, I'll tell you I'll give you a quick little story I was in a lift last night at this Oslo Freedom Forum. I knew this girl We were gonna go out to this like after party thing. We get in the lift. She's from Berkeley super smart girl You know very attractive. She gets in the, and I'm an experienced Uber lift guy. We get in, she's got her mask on.

I don't have my mask on, because I just, you know, I'm good. She's like, what, what are you doing? I go, what are you doing? And we're having this conversation, I'm a maskless, she's masked up. She's, I was like, take a fucking mask on. I don't know take your fucking mask.

That was it. That was the story. But in the back of a lift it went down Conversation we talk Tomorrow we may do podcast stay tuned, we'll announce that if not, we're gonna do it next week. Take care everybody, have a great weekend. Bye bye, bye bye, bye bye.