PBD Podcast - Pro Tennis Coach Rick Macci | PBD Podcast | EP 149 |

Episode Date: April 26, 2022

In this episode, Patrick Bet-David is joined by Adam Sosnick and pro tennis coach Rick Macci discuss Will Smith, Male and Female Sports, and mid show New Breaks regarding the Elon Musk Twitter deal. TOPICS Was Will Smith still in character when he slapped Chris Rock?  Breaking down what it takes to be the best Men vs Women in sports BREAKING NEWS: Elon Musk officially buys Twitter Mental toughness from young athletes The biggest dads in sports Rick Macci is an American tennis coach and former player. He is a United States Professional Tennis Association (USPTA) Master Professional, and seven-time USPTA national coach of the year who has trained five number one ranked players: Andy Roddick, Jennifer Capriati, Maria Sharapova, Serena Williams, and Venus Williams. Follow Rick on Twitter: https://bit.ly/3Mx6GBx Check out The Rick Macci Tennis Academy: https://bit.ly/3vIa7OT Text: PODCAST to 310.340.1132 to get added to the distribution list Adam “Sos” Sosnick has lived a true rags to riches story. He hasn’t always been an authority on money. Connect with him on his weekly SOSCAST here: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLw4s_zB_R7I0VW88nOW4PJkyREjT7rJic Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal bestseller Your Next Five Moves (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.   To reach the Valuetainment team you can email: [e-mail] --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

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And if you don't know who he is, if you've watched him, we'll be King Richard. King Richard went great Rick Massey and if you don't know who he is if you've watched the movie King Richard King Richard went to Rick Massey and said you need to come to eight Grand Slam champions have been coached by him. Five players ranked first place. 322 USDA national championships, 52 Grand Slam Championship wins, seven time USPTA coach of the year, four Hall of Fame inductees and in 2017 it was the youngest ever to be inducted into the USPTA Hall of Fame and erotic he coach. Jennifer Capriotti he coach Maria Sheropova with she mask for number he coach Serena Williams he coach Venus Williams he coach and Some people maybe watch and say Pat this is you mean what are you doing talking tennis? Let me tell you why I'm talking tennis. I got four kids and my kids play sports and my dad's obsessed with tennis And I watched this movie and I said, dude,

I wanna talk to this man, so thank you so much for making the time for being on a podcast. No, I'm glad to be here. I'm fired up and ready to go. Yes, I mean, right when the camera was on, Adam's like, they're not on the camera, we got no life, he's on fire. So first of all, you know, for folks,

I mean, at this point in the game, most people know your story from the movie, right? They know you're from the movie, right? They know you're from the movie. But how did you get into the tennis world? How did this happen all the way down to when the movie happened and you're seeing yourself on the big screen? What does a feel like seeing John play you? So walk us through that story.

Well, let's go back down the Elliborick Road. You know, when I was born in Greenville, Ohio, a small town, Southwest of Dayton. My dad died when I was 10. I used to play golf. I was very good in golf. And there was tennis courts like a half mile from my house. I went down there one day because we couldn't afford to go to the country club anymore. I picked up a racket. I started hitting a ball against the wall. I really liked it because it always came back and I was a pretty competitive guy. I'm to fast forward by 18. I was number one in the Ohio Valley. I got really good real quick. I played basketball in the Hall of Fame for basketball and tennis my hometown. Dabbled a little bit on the satellite but I knew

it a young age. I like helping other people more than I like helping myself so I got into coaching when I was like 22. As time went on I said if I really want to go for this I got to go to California or Florida. Early 80s I went to a place called Greenleaf Golf in tennis resort in Haynes City, Florida.. Was there for a while? And then in 1985, a doctor from Winter Haven, Florida brought his son to me, a nine-year-old boy named Tommy Ho. He held the racket like a ping-pong paddle,

yet a really funny grip, but I saw a lot of potential. To fast forward that story, he became the most dominant junior tennis player ever. He won Kalamazoo at 15 years old as an 18-year-old and 1988. The youngest at record still stands today. He won more gold balls and sampers, aaggacy, Chang than anybody. And from his success, a guy named Stefano Capriotti brought Jennifer to me who lived right here in Lauderdale He'll said, don't wait to teach my daughter how to serve. She kind of served like Chris Everett

She was kind of a Chrissy clone which is not bad, especially mentally Jennifer won the 18s as a 12 year old when I had her that record still stands today that That's that 12-inch brutal that doesn't happen now because psychological. I mean you got to be like a how do you lose to a 12-year-old recovered from You know, I'm saying yeah, she teens senior in high school. He lost a yeah No, she prior retired a lot of people I had big dreams, but you know, but I had the daily double in 1988 those records still stand today so from that in 1988, those records still stand today. So from that, a couple years later, I get a phone call from this guy,

and they him Richard Williams. And he said, I have two daughters, I heard of them in the New York Times. I guess Venus was undefeated in the tenant under, and he goes, really funny guy. The only thing I knew about Compton was like riots and that type of stuff. And he goes, if you come to Compton, I promise I won't get you shot.

Okay? And I thought the guy was hilarious. And I never go see someone, either come to the academy, or I see him at a junior tournament. So I just figured I'll take a shot. So obviously it's the best vacation ever took, going to Compton, California. So I go to Compton, I flew out there one weekend in May, right before summer. And it was just like yesterday. You know, that night, Venus, Serena, Richard, or seeing come to the hotel. Venus on one leg, Serena on the other, Huggins, Kissing, Closeknit family, just like you see in that movie.

Richard pulls out a piece of paper He grilled me like I was in a deposition You know, I thought like well if he wanted someone in their circle He wanted a role model a father figure and someone who's been there done that so I didn't I wasn't defensive about it I kind of respected that he was taking the temperature so he he said, we're picking you up tomorrow at seven o'clock. That bus you see in the movie. Okay. So at seven o'clock, they pick me up. I get in the passenger side. I get a harpoon and a buttock. There's a spring sticking up. I look in back. You got Venus and Shrina back there. There's McDonald's rappers. There's four months worth of garbage. There's ball hoppers. It was crazy

It was like it was like I was in a movie now. Remember I'm at a five star resort now. I hear I'm in Compton I'm in this bus that's wobbling around he goes we're going to East Compton Hills Country Club So we go and about 10 minutes into the ride I'm looking around and I'm going this is strange place for a country club. We pull up to a park. We get out. There's about 20 guys shooting hoops. There's people smoking. There's people drinking. There's people passed out. We get out. Now listen to this. It's 1991. All right. They go, Hey Richard. Hey King Richard. They called the guy King then. We had to go across because they knew who he was

and they knew who the girl was where they go, hey VW, hey Meeke, Serena's middle name is Serena Jameka Williams. So we go across the basketball court. It parts like the Red Sea, like these kids are celebrity and they're two little hamburgers at nine and ten years old, you know? So we go across the basketball court onto the court. I had a box, a Wilson ball ship there and he goes Rick, Rick, we don't use new balls. I want old balls, I want him digging, I want him bending, you know, digging out the ball. I got it is a little different. So now we go

onto the tennis court. Me and you wouldn't even play on the court. Okay, there was a shopping cart attached to the net post, the same shopping cart you see in that movie, Richard had like seven chains wrapped around it. He looks at me, goes, Rick, I got to secure it. It won't be here in the morning. So it took him 20 minutes to get the cart ready, puts the old balls in. So I start drilling Venus and Serena. Now, remember, I had Jennifer Capriotti. Now she was already 14 top 10 in the world. She was already on the Pro Tour. So my blueprint for greatness was probably more than anybody in the world. So she had her rack up back in the parking lot, low center of gravity, great fundamentals by the late great Jimmy ever. So now I'm out there with Venus and Serena,

arms, legs, hair, beads flying off their head. I'm going what in God's name? Am I doing a Compton, California? They were maybe 70, 80 in the nation, which I see that all the time. So after about an hour, it's a great lesson for anybody. Any parent, coach, or Rick Macy, okay? You don't judge a book by the cover. The cover could be terrible, the book amazing, okay? The cover amazing, the book great. So you gotta understand, now I said, that's played competitive points and the whole landscape changed.

When I said game one, the footwork got better. They were popping the popcorn extra butter. The preparation got better. The burning desire. There was a rage inside these two little girls. The burning desire to get to the ball was brutal. Wow. Now listen, I have, listen, I've told so many people and I've a lot of kids at try hard. This was different.

There was something inside of them, even though it was a train wreck on the outside. And when I saw they ran so hard and now I'm projecting in my head, 510, 145, 6 feet, a buck 60, and I'm thinking where this is going to go. And I in there I Switched here and this is in the movie. I said and it was more about Venus because she was a little more mature Serena was like a little prankster. She was nine. I Go you got the next female Michael Jordan on your hand and he puts his arm around me. He goes no brother man I got the next And so but wait so then Venus goes daddy can I go the bathroom? Okay, they're hugging kissing close-knit family just like you see in the movie. Okay, they were just like bang

They were like that Venus goes out to gate walks on her hands for five feet does backward cartwheels for five feet. And then I'm going, whoa, whoa, whoa. So remember, this was 1991. If you were big and strong and women's tennis, you weren't really nimble. So now I'm thinking not only can these kids be number one in the world with the right coaching and financial backing, they can, they can change everything because they can transcend the sport. They were gonna bring a different ad.

You knew this when you saw that. But I didn't, but the moral of the story, okay. The moral of the story is I didn't see it on the outside. It's what I saw on the inside. Why took the chance, all the sweat equity, millions of dollars, and I rolled the dice, because everybody thought I was crazy I need to get that question a lot now. Why would I do it?

It's what I tell people all the time what you may see is very different than Rick may see What you may see is very different than what Rick may see You said you had invest millions of dollars is that what you just said? Yeah, no, yeah, listen, I probably put four to five hours a day of me one-on-one. There was hitting partners, ballet, boxing, Taekwondo, Disney tickets, you know, a house, $92,000 motorhome. So you got to understand I took on the whole family. You were funding all that you're saying. Yeah, you know, I'm not I am Gee, I'm not a billion dollars for a fraction, but I believed in a couple things. I believed in Venus, Serena, Richard, and most of all myself, whether this took

four years, eight years, I knew this was different. You got to remember I had Capriotti and I just knew but I knew a lot of work had to be done, you know, technically. But at the end of the day, everybody wants to know now, especially after the movie, why did I take a chance? Because I had to take the whole family and move them here. So, but it wasn't a risk because my mom always told me, if you're gonna bet, bet on one thing yourself. And I don't bet. And the only thing I really ever bet on

was Venus and Serena. And the best trip I ever made in my life was going to Compton, California. What role did the mother play? Huge, okay. She was silent, but deadly. When she spoke, okay. she got her eyes attention. So she wasn't as involved like on the court and stuff like that, but off the court, you got to

remember the reason why Venus and Serena, they were like moaned daughters and Richard was my best friend. And even though if you see the movie, so stubborn, and I tell people, I should be in the hall of fame, just putting up with that guy for four years, you know, I mean, it was, but it was because a world-class dad, okay, the life lessons that he taught these kids and the mother every single night. And I don't see that nowadays, every single night after the lessons, after the training, whether it's good, bad,

happier, sad, Rick. Thank you very much. Crazy. And every day they brought their books to the court. If it rained, go to Rick's office and study. These are the things that people don't know. So what he did is a father. Every day, okay, he was taking these girls home at night at 10 and 11. You got to make sure you have the goods if you go this.

He was like, out there, he would interview them on it, put up his tripod. He would be asking him questions at 10 and 11, preparing them for the future of how to answer the question without answering the question. Because remember, you're too little African-American girls going in a predominantly white sport and people are saying you're legendary. Then you got Rick Macy saying you're gonna be better in Capriotti.

So this took nuclear proportions because we're talking NBC, ABC. This was, they got more press than people, number one in the world on the pro tour, before it even happened, okay? And he, but that started at birth. That was baked in extra crispy, how mentally strong they were before I met him.

But he was teaching them life lessons all the time and left the heavy lifting to me. Now, let me ask you this. So during that time, when everything's going on and left the heavy lifting to me. Now let me ask you this. So during that time, when everything's going on and then the movie comes out, and then when the movie comes out, you see what happens with Will Smith,

winning the Academy and all that stuff that takes place with the slapping and then you set something off camera about Will, if you're comfortable sharing. Give me the perspective from the movie coming out to then Will winning Oscar, to then the incident that took place What did that do to the whole story? Well first off that's a great question when I went to the red carpet and the after party and I met Will and it was

It was kind of interesting He was more excited to meet me the meat of me to him It was kind of a weird dynamic because you got to remember when you're a character and you're into someone that deep, okay? And I didn't really understand that because that's not my world, okay? No one had a better front row seat than Rick Macy other than maybe the wife because I was here every day, five hours a day, six days a week. That then sound like a lot, but you go 365 days a year for four years. There's a lot of crap that could go on and blow the whole thing up. So I'm there every day, and that's why that's why I love Richard, even though he was out there and a lot of

stuff. So we'll got so into the character. When I saw the movie, when we had the screening in Voka, it blew me away. The subtleties, the nuances, the walk, the talk, the idiocycricies. It took two hours just to put on how he had to look like Richard. It was beyond Richard. And this is what I told other people when I spoke to him. So, and you got to remember, this happened during the pandemic. So, this guy was probably going into the

shopping mall, he was probably going home talking to his kids like that. He became Richard. And there was one scene in the movie where it was in my office in 1994, before Venus was gonna make her debut. All right. And I don't know if it's day one or some TV show. And the guy asks Venus, do you think you can win? And Venus goes, I know I can. And then the guy pressed her, you say that so confidently. And Venus goes, I am confident. And then the guy goes, why are you confident? And she goes, because I am. And then Richard the guy goes why are you confident and she goes because I am and then Richard blue a gasket

He comes running onto the set okay And just tortures the guy and I'm sitting here going oh my god You mean did he assault him? No, no no no you can't assault him But he got that far from his face. He got up in his grill got in his grill just said listen Liever alone. She's a little know, a little black girl, you know, your ass is gonna be in the ground. You know, she, he just, he blew a gasket. Richard was so protective of those girls, okay?

And will even made reference of that when he saw that in 94, it will brought that up, but I'm sure that was discussed a lot during the movie. So now you go through the movie and the minute I saw it, I've told our people, he's going to win an Oscar. Even though I don't know how that stuff works, in my opinion, he was going to get an Oscar. So now when he's at the Oscar, that reaction was beyond bizarre. That doesn't mean I'm justifying it, but something inside of him made him do that. Because looking back, I'm sure he wouldn't have

done it because the ripples were worse than now, the action. But maybe the guy thought he was rich of Williams. So that's very, very, that's my take on it. It doesn't justify. He has to own it. But at the end of the day, it was bizarre. When he did that, when he got up on stage, I know not that you're a psychiatrist or a doctor and he's like that, but you have a front row seat to all this, right? Richard Williams, Venus Serena, Will Smith,

you're, I saw you on the red carpet with John Bernthal. When he went up there and slapped Chris Rock, what percentage of that was, he was in the Richard Williams character moment still in it? And then what percentage was the, everything that's been, he's been dealing with in his own personal life with Jada. Is it a cumulative effect? I mean, you said that he was basically

becoming this guy Richard Williams. What's your analysis? Yeah, you know, I, another great question. I think a lot of it is Richard, because initially he laughed. I just think that he wouldn't even think. And I mean, it was just Richard. I know it's hard for people on the outside

to look at like that, you know? But they become these people. And he even kind of said that when he was given his speech. 100% of that present the crazy father and but people aren't gonna say you know that's justified But I could see that because that was out of character to do something like that at that moment When he's at the pinnacle because he's done a lot of great things in movies. What do you think? Well, you ever seen the the moment when Jack Nicholson's having dinner

Jack Nicholus, which ones the actor Jack Nicholson? Jack Nicholson's having dinner. Okay. He comes out of a restaurant and a reporter comes up and says, Hey Jack Did you hear about what happened to heat ledger? What happened to him? He just he was found dead. Mm-hmm. He says what? He says yes. Do you remember what his next line is? No, because they were brought to Joker. He says, I told him never to play Joker. Shit. You never seen this. I got.

I really call it. Yeah. He says, I told him to never play to Joker. Now, there's a part of that on what you're saying that I can agree with. Because if you plane a role that long for that much, I can see how you can take and say, yeah, yeah, I can see how you can take that and become that. Like, you know, they say Daniel, they lose his one of the sectors of all time because of the way, even what's his thing talked about it?

Ethan Supli talked about it last week where, you know, he gets into it so much. Yeah, that's like, he's just a fully a part of it. Yeah, I didn't he just, you don't even know who you are. You leave Daniel, they lose when he played the last hit of the move. He can you know, he went out there and lived out there to know what he'll get of it. Yeah, I didn't he just you don't even know who you are you leave Danny of the Lewis when he played the last item when he comes you know He went out there lived out there to know what he gets in it. Oh, he gets in and he was the butcher and The town five towns well, maybe he should have skipped the maybe we'll should have skipped going to the Oscars that day because that's Slapchanged, but one more point you know, it's different like if you're In a movie and you're an actor. That one thing but remember he was playing a person, this a bio, that's that's a little different than

just acting you know what I'm saying I mean he was an alive person too. There's a difference but there's zero excuses for his behavior. Zero excuses. There's no way you know that's kind of like saying Professional athlete who the super super super competitive goes and slaps like the Charles Spreeve of Spreeve what he did to his coach I don't remember that when he coached this show Choked his coach and you know or some of the other stories you hear about Rudy Tom Johnovich years ago running the other guy noximate remember the whole Yeah, center court. So there's no excuse for that. Larry bird.

Who did that? No, not Larry bird. Larry bird got out. Maybe that was really a curving. Dr. J punched Larry exactly a few times where Moses was holding it back, but that's a complete different. But do you think the backlash against Will is actually justified to the point where what he did was that bad?

Yes, we agree. Not a good thing to do. Yeah, but he didn't beat the crap out of somebody. He didn't murder somebody. Slaped another man. So, you know. Not a good thing to do. But didn't beat the crap out of somebody. He didn't murder somebody. Slaped another man. So, you know, their toe is will get wills getting canceled. Yeah. And never again, it's like this was the like the biggest just Hollywood blockbuster star out there. I get it. But do you think it's overblown? It's a culmination. I don't think it's just one thing. I think it's a culmination of a lot of different things he's dealing with. I think it's 50,

80% of stuff that we don't know about, and it's 20% of the stuff that we know about. The 80% of the stuff that we don't know about, we're all speculating, you know, just what we did a couple days ago with the whole shirt free will, the campaign that we put together that, but anyways, going back to this with,

you know what it is by the way? What? There's certain things that we may see, and there's certain things that Rick makes. Yeah, that's right. Well, I think it's a meh, no, I think that's a good one. I should use that.

It's a mehley of stuff. If he'd have done that on the street, it's no big deal. But because he did it in that backdrop, and you know, they have to do something even if it's just to do something. That's what's bad about the whole thing. This has to react. They can't just say, don't worry about a bro.

You know, it's okay. State, they had to do something. It's kind of like the Johnny Depp story, right? You know, the Johnny Depp story that's going through, you know, with what's the, remember, ride that they're going through. I don't know if you follow in this story or not with the two of them that they're going through.

Well, he's Hollywood these days. He's on the red carpet. He's not going to not. No, I'm on the court. I'm going to stay on the court. That's why we'll help. But this whole story that's going on, and all these videos become in what he called it. All these videos become in the recordings

that they're talking about. And everything is public. I don't know how they're dirty. I don't even like the fact that you guys chose to do the Epstein case and you did that private But you doing this public like it should be the other way around that one effect of people's lives This is between two people leave them alone and they're getting embarrassed publicly and the recording you're you're hearing about You don't know what people are really dealing with Johnny Depp one guy said something he said

In the last 50 years there's not one story of Johnny ever raising his hands on anybody, right? Meaning will Smith the last I don't know 30 years. There's not one story of will doing what he just did and Will's played a lot of different Role played Ali And he literally could have come out and said why I thought like I was Ali for a minute and I yeah So but the point is going there. He's going through a lot So that's a complete different conversation Now, but let me come back to with with King Richard and the coaching so

You know, I ran it out a Room in at the break or so tell okay, which you know we're breakers that it's at Palm Beach area And I do meetings they're all the time, but one of the meetings I held last year which was in July Did you go to this one or nowhere? What we watched Nick Voleteer is documentary. I don't know if you've seen that one on Netflix or not. If you haven't seen it, it's a pretty solid documentary. Now, this guy is a guy that I knew up, but I didn't know him, know him, because I'm not in the tennis world. I didn't follow tennis, you know. But I watched a documentary and I said, huh. So pretty epic personality.

Think he says, yeah, I've been married seven or eight times. I lost count how many times I've been married. And, you know, his style was all psychological. And, you know, the way he would, you know, coach people and pin them against each other and play games and sit on the other side with Courier Wall. I'm gonna sit on this side and all of these games he played with his style of coaching versus yours. You guys are not far from each other. You're 30, 40 miles away from each other when he was coming up.

And I don't know. I think he's in Miami, right? Is he in Miami or is he in Greatington? Greatington. Okay. And which is what? Like 40 miles. Give or take.

I don't know. He's not three and a half hour. He's on the left on the west. I think he's down here. He used to be But now he's it. I know he started it. Yeah, he started it in Miami long ago, but he went to braiding 10 When you're a lady or a lady. He's been all over South Florida. What is the style of coaching because conversations will come up Who's the greatest tennis coaches of all time and And he has this stuff that's put out there. Your name comes up. Brad Gilbert's name comes up. A lot of names comes up, right?

This is the part of the competitive that's that we like to talk about. How different is your style of coaching versus his style of coaching? Well, I'm very different than everybody. I'm just cut from a different cloth. I tell people all the time, you know, my favorite student of all time who's ever on the other side of the net that hour, that minute, that second. My name's on the door, but I still teach 50 hours a week. Whether it's to you, your son, the number one 80 year old guy in the country, or someone top 10 in the world. So I'm on the court all the time. There's no big

machine behind me like marketing and pushing this thing and trying to become, there might be people more famous, but you know, that's a stack up kind of the resumes and just line up and see where everything is and really who you've worked with. But what I do is a little different. It's like a medley or smorgasbord of everything. And one hour, there's going to be a lot of mental training. There's going to be a lot of tactical, strategical, there's dealing with the parents. It's put an Humpty Dumpty together and how I do this

and the art of communication. OK, of how I do this, I've been on a tennis courts since age 22 more than anybody in the world. And I'm still, that's my living room, you know, and so what I do is very, very different. And I connect with people and I can extract greatness out of people. How do you do that? How do you do that? Well, I got to find out what buttons to push. Maybe what buttons I push with you are going to be different. I get people to believe, okay, But it's a it's a it's a package like anybody who's great. It's not just one thing, okay? It's a it's a combination of a lot of things. And so how I talk to a eight-year-old girl is going to be different than a 20-year-old guy and how I

put this together to motivate and get them to think big and stay in touch with them. Whether it be an emoji or a gift, there's just as constant getting stuff out of people. And you know, the best reward is not all those people you mentioned who became number one or people that won Grand Slam. I mean, since 85, there's over 322 USA national titles. Okay, that's a lot. It's the people who maybe clean the room better, or get better grades, or they're not on drugs, or they come back and they say the work ethic

and these things they've learned from Rick Macy. So it's more the ripple effect, but what's great about this, I don't try to do that. That's this part of the coaching. I don't need to pick up a chair and throw it at the person like Bobby Knight, okay? I know when to hug him, okay? I know when to kick him in the butt. There's an art to this and that's why I What month's your birthday? December 7th, 1954. December 7th. I got it and I saw online you had three daughters to anyone of them play Tenus or no? They did at a young age.

That's another great question. I, because they're all very athletic, okay? And when they were like eight, six, and five, I took them to the tennis court, and it's like 110 degrees, and we ran laps around the court, and they went right out the gate to the drinking fountain. They said, okay, gymnastics, we're going to the air conditioning.

Then I listen, this is a brutal sport, and I said, listen, I'm a type going to the air conditioning. And I ain't, listen, this is a brutal sport. And I said, listen, I'm a type of guy. You they're in or out. I as a go for the jugular or we don't do this. And two, I'm more undefeated in gymnastics, by the way. And listen, they're all healthy, happy. And I raised all three of them by myself at age 13. So just for that, I should be in the hall of favor.

We'll be raising them all by yourself. From age 13, all three besides working the crazy amount of hours. So, but it's helped me also how I deal with other people. It's been just another part of, you know, your maturation. Right. Just out of curiosity. How many times have you been married twice? Twice. Okay. So Nick's got you beaten a lot on time being married.

Yeah. He's a rival. On, on, on, I asked his questions to follow and reason. How many army I'm about to go into special forces? OK. So 18 Delta. I'm going to fifth group. I love it. My captain, my current, Lieutenant Colonel Picas,

got all the orders I wanted. Everything I wanted, he got me. I'm on the go to the chance of Italy. I'm going to go to the they're telling me to DLX. I speak four or five languages. I'm going to go to Sears. I'm on the go to and then he says, but before you become special forces, I need you to go and interview with

five special forces, three or five special forces guy to interview with. And I want to start talking to him, so I tell him about the life, what is to be special forces? What is to be special forces? Yeah. Says, well, you have one half kids, yeah, you have one half family, yeah, you have one to get married and stay married for a long time. Yeah. Never join special forces. Why?

Because this is your wife, your kids, your personal life, everything. You have to give everything to this to make it at this level. Right? Do you think there is an element of that in the world of what you guys do? Because you're dealing with the kids. You're dealing with the parents. You're dealing with the kids, you're dealing

with the parents, you're dealing with the athletes, you're dealing with trying to build a business, you're dealing with guys, you and Nick were going back and forth with Capriata recruiting and his recruiting, your guy, you're recruiting his guys like, well, now he's but I never try to recruit the Venus. Well, I never try to recruit Capriata. This competitiveness that happens because that's part of, I'm a business and that happens all the time, right? It's annoying. It's frustrating. It's challenging. Do you think eventually it gets to point that you say, you know what? I'm going to retire from the marriage side and I'm just going to give my life to tennis and that's the game I'm going to play. Am I reading it correctly or I'm completely off?

No, you're you're in the game. Okay. I haven't been married since 2000. So now it's 2022. You know, and I work seven days a week. You know, and I open up the park every morning and I'm just all in because I answer by his call, everybody's email, even though there's 10 other guys that work for me and four fitness trainers. And, you know, I just, everything in life,

you have to be happy and you gotta do do what works for you and what works for me You're right because I don't if I'm on the phone I don't want someone to say you got to get off or don't answer the phone. Okay, or you know This this because you got to remember the way I do it because I control my model is different I have a different model my academy than anybody in the world. I drive that engine. Okay, because I'm on the court all the time. We're not a glorified boarding school like IMG and Bradington. That's about marketing. That's about volume. Everybody has courts, palm trees, sunshine or whatever, but just like you saw in the movie, if

you have potential and you wanna dive in and you want Rick, okay, I'll help you. And that's a big thing who's delivering the goods for your kids. So your offer is, you're gonna get more hands-on from me than if you go to a different place, you're gonna get it from the coaches who reported a coach as a reporter to coaches,

you're gonna get the copy of the copy of the copies. I kinda what you're saying, that's what's different with you than others. Absolutely. And that's why the model works. I mean, I drive that engine because people, you know, they obviously look at the track record, you know, been there, done that. But I'm just like, I'm just one of the guys.

I'm so down to earth and, you know, genuine about this whole stuff. I always keep my eye on the ball. And like I said, I treat everybody exactly the same. It doesn't matter if they're top 10 in the world or they just want a lesson in their five years old. You said you want people to be all in orals, like your daughters, well, right after the tennis practice, 110, they go drink water, like, nope,

you're gonna go gymnastics. That's what you're gonna do. And they both coupled them are undefeated. But go back to you said, I said, what's your style of coaching? You said button. I know how to push buttons. Well, they work for you. And I will agree this person. That, that, that, that, that. Okay, great. I totally get it. Give me. I can come up with 20 different buttons. I've ran a sales team for the last 20 something years. We have licensed 35,000 insurance agents and we have 20,000 insurance agents and to drive them you're right.

It's very different. What's going to move her is not going to be what moves him. It's not going to be what moves them. Everyone's different. From your lens, making it at the point zero, zero, zero, one percent of your world that you're in, how many different buttons are there? Give me a few, though. Well, okay.

Let's just go back to Venus and Serena. I knew I knew what I had. Sure. Every time I talk to them and say they hit a certain shot, I would say something like this. That was good, but hangus is going to get that. That was good, but Capriotti is going to get that or Stephanie Graham. So here I am talking to 11 year old, even though it was a world class shot, our eyeI. was on a

bunch different situation. And like Venus always says, he was Rick, I was almost brainwashed to be number one. You know, it's a different way to communicate with him. You know, even when you miss, it's a positive air because what I teach more than anything is courage. Okay. I teach people to pull the trigger. I know how to, even, because most people have people

try not to miss. Okay, and you're just going to be a nice little college player. Okay, and if you look at, especially a lot of the girls I've trained, they all play kind of similar. They cut the core, they take the ball early, they're fearless, they attack, they swarm, biomechanically, they're put together a little bit different, okay?

So that would be one thing right off the back, just the way I explain it. It's a positive air. Listen, two more inches, ten more pounds, you get to the ball, you set your set and your smile and that's going to be a winner. You miss that because you're 11. You know, I got this and then I feel you know, kind of where the kids at if they need a little bit more or I got to be stronger, you know, with them. I just feel the temperature. So I mean, example stronger.

Okay, I make kids run for every ball. I tell them the fences are out in Palm Beach County. I don't care if the ball is out, you know, one time Venus, I told her I tell her by this, but you run for every ball just because the ball is out, anybody can put their finger up and call out. You run for every ball, even if it's 10 feet out, because someday, somewhere, somebody is going to put you in that position. And if your brain has been there, I've been there, that neighborhood, I'm going to feel comfortable. Okay, and one time I told this to Venus and I had to keep telling her about it. So Richard goes, well, if you don't want to run,

I'm out of here so you can just run home. So he made him run home 10 miles. Yeah, I remember that. When you say you to run after every ball and I played tennis and I played football and I remember there was a in football, you'd have to when you used to run routes, you would catch the ball turn and you would run up field. And I would always be like, well, I have to run when you were just to run routes, you would catch the ball turn and you would run up field. And I would always be like, well, I have to run 40 more yards. I'm like, you know, and in tennis, you know, the ball's clearly going out. If you want to kind of save your breath,

you know, let it go out. Are you saying that you would make them run to the end of the court, even though they knew it was out? What's the advantage of that? No, I try to get him, okay, it's ability to improvise. You know, there's a fine line between great and good great can hit Clutch shots when they're off balance and improvise and I'm actually Developing inner qualities drive persistence, but run for every ball say a lot of the kids are glad just because it went out

Yeah, like you know what I mean? So if it's four feet out I make them run for the ball, try to figure out how to improvise, plus their relax. They feel no pressure and then they can they can practice a shot. And so that's always been a staple of the training. Because I said, if you want to be different, you got to train different. And if they don't listen to me, you're probably not going to listen to a lot of people So that's just one little snippet, but I get people to do things Because I'm always about okay. I get the ingredients Okay, I put it in the oven

I bake it and then I put the icing on it when I have a 12 year old I'm already projecting how they're going to play at 18 and I'm playing for 18 I'm not developing a 12 year old game. That's why I've had more kids become number one in the nation at 12. They come to me at seven or eight, bang. They're number one in the nation. Not that that means anything. That doesn't mean you're gonna be top 10.

But I knew it was Sherapova. I knew it was Jennifer. I can just, I didn't know it was Rodic. Even though he was, had a lot of competitive things, I like. Men's tennis is different, total different physicality. The girls is a little easier. But at the end of the day, this is kind of how I do the teaching. And probably the best compliment. I certify coaches.

They come from all around the world and they're on the court with me. Four, five hours a day, three, four hours, I mean, three or four days. Yeah. And they watch me teach and they ask questions and they video. And even if these people played on the tour, okay, they're all blown away because they have no idea. You just don't read a book and say, here's how to coach. They don't even have any idea about how to deal with the parents, how to motivate the kid. They didn't realize it was this cafeteria of stuff. And this is what happened.

They've kept all the time. They've kept all the time. Men and women's tendencies different. I would just roll it down. Yeah, I just wrote it down here. But I want to stay on this. We'll come back to this with the men and women. Mad about let's just address it right now since you brought it up. You know, there was an interview I saw where serena's with Jimmy Kimmel. I think it's Kimmel. I don't think it's found. I think it's Kimmel. And you know, you think you can get out

then compete with men. He's like, no, no, no, I just want to compete with you. You don't understand. For me to go up against Andy Murray, there is no way I can compete against Andy Murray. You know, it's a very different game. The muscles are different and she just unpacks it for Jimmy. And Jimmy is kind of like not wanting to hear that message because Jimmy wants to say, we know, women can go out and compete with men. For somebody who's coached both sides, you know, what do you think about what Serena said? Do you agree with her that it's very, very

different to have a women compete against them? Because she said there was a different sport. Yeah. No, the way she said, the way she said, I would lose six or if you want to put the story up, John, I would lose six zero, six zero in five minutes. They told a, I don't know what article I was reading. That said, one of the, not professional, the amateur ranking that they have, they said

450th place of amateur ranking for men's would be the women's number one. Some weird number like that. Do you agree with that or do you have a different one? This came in the height of the lead Thomas, William Thomas swimming debate, whatever number he was and then became number one in the world. Yeah, tennis, tennis is, you know, that's kind of tricky, but I agree 100% with Serena. She's right. And when she's saying it, she's coming from fact.

She, you know, it wouldn't be five minutes. It would be longer than that. And she might scrape a game or two if she popped a few serves into the corner, but it's just more physical. The guys cover more real estate on the court because they're just bigger and stronger. It doesn't mean the girls wouldn't participate. You would have four, eight, maybe some 10 ball rallies, but it'd be a slow death to the end and then bang, you know, it's in the serves. I mean, come on. It's a 28, 140, I mean, no, Pelpka, these guys are

hitting 140. So, you know, one of the women's serve tops, they can go into the 120, but the guys are, unless they hit the corner, it's coming back. It's just talking 140 versus 120 max. Yeah, but it's not even the serve. I mean, you still got to get it in and you're only serving half the match. So it's, and it's just, it's, I don't want to say it's a difference for it, because this and the women are amazing. The guys just cover more real estate.

You don't realize it because both guys are covering the real estate. You know, it's like a good high school guy bringing the ball up in the NBA dribbling the ball. If the guy wanted to, he could steal it from him every time, but you don't see that in the NBA because the other guys, this is good. Here's what's crazy about this, though. Here's what's crazy. You know how sometimes I'll say, while women don't make make enough the same amount of money as men doing soccer, you

know how that comes. So all women basketball doesn't make as much money as NBA players. I am completely okay watching women's tennis, maybe more than men's tennis. It's so weird. It's not the interest is there because it's still competitive and yes, Serena and Venus and these girls are making a lot of money. They're making millions on top of millions of dollars of money. The dollar is millions on top of millions of dollars of money The dollar is not that big of a difference for the comparable to the eyeballs that they're getting versus In basketball how many people are watching WNBA or watching, you know This is a story titled just pulled up if you want to put it up FC Dallas under 15 boy squad beat the US women's national team in a scrimmage

I mean, this isn't soccer. This isn't soccer. Yeah. This is when you kind of see that there's certain sports, it doesn't help. Anyways, I saw Serena talk about it. Let's go back to the coaching style. So your coaching style, would you say, did you mirror any other coaches from other sports? Like, are you a John Wooden guy? Could you sound like a John Wooden guy? A few other people have said that not not really you know I think grown up in

the Midwest and you know just how I was brought up from my mom and just you know it's from the heart you gain the knowledge as you go down the elaborate road you know and you always got to want to continue your education. But the ability to educate, motivate, you know, it's that. And so I really never, the biggest influence would be probably Dr. Jim Lair, who was the number one sports psychologist that we spent some time together in the early 80s. He was a pioneer. And now there's many guys out there, but he was the first of the Mohicans in mys. He was a pioneer. And now there's many guys out there, but he was the first of the Mohicans in my opinion. He was a pioneer. So, and I was always intrigued

with the mental part. That's how I became kind of good in my own little bubble of not having a lesson. Didn't he write a book or something? He's going about 20. Yeah, but he said that one book that was mental fitness training. Oh, that was a. This guy's a legend by the way. No, no, Jim psych one of his best friends. Have you read any of this guy's books? I'm not familiar with it. If you pull

out anyway, so yeah, so he show you. Yeah, yeah, so you know, and we used to play all the time, you know, when this was early 80s at Greenleaf. So that would be really the only person. I never, you know, you get the knowledge as you

go on and it's just your love and concern for the person. And you know, you get the knowledge as you go on and it's just your love and concern for the person. And, you know, when you see the movie, you know, it comes across the audience clear how Bernthal played me, even though even though his mustache looked like a shrubbery, you might as well piece of ass dirt turf. It took me 30 years to grow. You could see how much I cared for the girls and that Richard was my best friend and we were just on a mission and when you when your students feel that that you would do anything you can get them to jump over mountains and everybody feels that way when I'm on the court with them it doesn't matter. It's just the way I'm wired that's all. You know I think there is

as a matter, just the way I'm wired, that's all. You know, I think there is different levels of coaches for different times, meaning, you know how Nick Saban tried to go to NFL and he wasn't a good coach, not that he wasn't a good coach, he didn't win and then he went back to college, he crushed it, right? Calapari, went to the NBA with the net side belief. I was like, yeah, and then he went back to college

and he crushed it, right? Patino, Patino, by the way, Celtics. But the one that worked was Pete Carroll, US College, to NFL, back to college, back to NFL, and then he did very well. And Pete Carroll is more like, come on, we can do it. He's like, more, it's like a player. He's more like, yeah, but Bill Belichick is not like that.

That's not Bill Belichick, that's not a style. Do you think there is a styles of coaching that work at a certain age with a kid that maybe if let's just say if I'm trying to develop my kids confidence, maybe they would do better with a style of a coach like yours or wooden that someone's going to give them confidence and then when it goes into the pros like, hey, listen, man, here's how this thing works. Here's how it's going to be and then someone's going to be kicking their asses to challenge him and realize, here's what we have to do. And I understand there's still the relationship part come. We'll cook

for you. Let's have a good time. You know, you need to know that I trust you. You need to know that I believe in you. But the level of intensity goes slightly higher as the levels increase and the age increases. Would you agree with that? Kind of. You know, it depends on the person. It's so individual. You know, you just can't, it's not one size fits all. It's because you're dealing with different people. Now tennis, it's one-on-one. Football, there's a whole cast of characters,

just like the NBA. You know what I mean? You can see the Brooklyn Nets. I mean, they're saying, you know, get rid of Nesh. I mean, we don't need a coach. That's kind of what they thought. But the NBA comes down to like the final few minutes and there's strategic things that a coach can come in. But I also, I need to chime in here.

I think the coaching, when you said, I went to the NFL then the college, whatever, you got to look at the team also. I mean, you know, the quarterback. And you got to look at the players. And then even when I, you know, the quarterback and you got to look at the players. Then even when I you asked me the question, when about like Vena, Serena, Caprotti, Rodic, Muskeena, Pierce, Sonja Kenan, okay, all these people that I coach, I help them enormously, but I feel I help so many other people a lot more, okay, because to win the Derby, you got to

have the horse. You're not going to do it with a donkey. I can make the donkey have great mechanics, but it's still a donkey, okay? So you got to remember, you got to remember the coaching, it kind of goes both ways. I mean, I don't think it'd be difficult, you know, right now for somebody to start coaching Nadeau.

Okay, I mean, it's already, you got to understand, or even when, when Patrick started coaching Serena, nothing gets patrie. Okay, but, I already had like 15 grand slams. I mean, you just can't screw it up. Okay, so that, putting this thing together, okay, the, the, the cards you're dealt with at a young age, in a lot of ways, even from your family, it's more complex and just saying, you need someone to kick your butt when you're older,

because you gotta know how to deal with that person. And even in the NBA, you know what I mean? They treat people different. You don't think people, the coaches of the Lakers treat LeBron differently. I mean, come on, you gotta understand. He want to get exposed from fire when he's at Miami. So it's a tricky thing. LeBron anytime they start losing, he wants to question you. No, it's silly. Yeah, it's silly. He's been like that for a long time,

and that's become a habit with a lot of people. Well, he's the goat. Yeah. Other than MJ, who? LeBron. LeBron. LeBron. I don't think that's to feat the term of the permits of the word goat. Great. You can't be the greatest of all time. I mean, he's arguably, well, he can ask me a question because, you know, we're doing it. We're talking a lot about coaching and what it takes to be a great coach and your technique.

I actually want to flip it because Pat had mentioned he's got four kids. Three of them are actually starting to do sports, right? I mean, Tico's a little bit, but Dylan for sure, Senna, I believe, as well, gymnastics, right? And all my friends, all their kids are starting to become, you know, six, eight, 10, 12, they're, they're, you know, we got kids in sports. My relationship, I used to be, I was a sick athlete, Miami football basketball, I had the worst relationship with my dad. He was the most overbearing like at every game,

yelling, talking shit, yelling at me, I'm yelling at him, I mean, you dealt with Richard Williams. What does it take to be a good parent to our sportsman, to our sports girl, right? It's like what are the qualifications that you see that the parent needs to have for their kid to be successful? Well, first off, first off, another great question, you know, they have to be more of a psychologist than a coach. That's number one. Remember, they're always gonna look at you like dad or mom

and it's very different how you have that relationship with a boy and a girl. Because with a girl, the dad's always more involved because it's daddy's little girl. They're more protective. You know, besides Richard Williams, Capriotti, Jim Pierce, I've had some of the, you know, followers from, you know, Alder's base or whatever. So these guys were all in, but you got to remember at 18 or they get a boyfriend or they get their driver's license, you could be toast. So you got to be real careful. It creates divorce, it creates problems. You got to be real careful with this. But on the other hand, you got to know how to push them, but you got to support them. You got to try to make them the

best athlete you can. You got to instill confidence in them. You got to get them to believe. You don't know what's inside a young child. Nobody does. I got a better field than most people. And that's why I've had people move mountains and they never thought they could do this or that. They get a full ride UCLA or Georgia or then you know 50 in the world someday. They never thought they could do that or their parents. And so that would be the role of the parent, but it's a problem because they're all in, they're on the fence, like little league baseball, they're psychotic, you know, they can't wait to the weekend. It's a super bowl.

Remember, yeah, that's them playing. That's not even their kid. They're like, we'll Smith and Richard, you know, they're, they're them. It's their kid. And I had Will Smith and Richard, you know, they're them. It's their kid. And I had this with Greg Olson. You played for the Panthers and when his kid is podcast, yeah, he's in, he does this use for thing. And he goes, Rick, I think I'm becoming one of them. And he's been there, done that, you know, and he's an NFL pro-bola. And he got to understand it's your kid. And you got gotta make sure you can separate it because it

it can burn the kid out. You got to motivate. Listen, the snow and died, you know, the sun's gonna come out tomorrow. It's about the process of getting better and I tell our body, if you're not getting better, you're getting worse. It's not where you start, it's where you finish. This is a long-term process. What's the goal? Get the best college scholarship. The grades are important. Just keep getting better. You got to get better. But it's hard to do that because it's all about winning because people come up. How'd you do? I lost. I won. You want to talk about the cocktail party. I get all that stuff. But it's it's a journey. And that's what I loved about Richard Williams. When he

said we're not playing a junior tournaments. And this is in the movie. In the movie, it kind of freaked out. Like, wait a minute, you didn't tell me that in Compton. I was okay with not playing, because Venus and Shrena would run over broken glass to get to a ball, and then they'd run back over it to get the next one.

They were so competitive, if there was a piece of bread on the table, they'd fight to get it. So I, they didn't need to compete to learn how to win and lose. So I knew on Monday, we weren't dealing with a junior tournament. Why'd you lose? We're just developing now, but I'm not so stuck in my way as a coach. As you mentioned, wait, I coach Venus Serena. They didn't play any junior tournaments. Here's the blueprint. Shut it down. No, I'm not like that. Okay. I got to feel the temperature. Some need to play more, some less. But no, that's a great question. By the way, breaking news, Elon Musk officially

bought Twitter. Okay. Twitter and Elon Musk's track a deal for takeover. It's a done deal. Let's read the story. Can he go up so he can zoom in? I can read that. Tyler go up a little bit. Go up a little bit. Go up a little bit. Zoom in. Control plus. Control plus. Okay, so let's see right there. Twitter ink on Monday except it'll almost bit to take over the company given the world's richest bank control to influential social media network where he is also among its powerful users. The deal marks the close of a dramatic court trip. Courtship on a sharp change of heart at Twitter where many executives and board members initially oppose Musk's takeover approach to deal has polarized Twitter's employees and users

and regulators over the power to take giants. We'll in determining the parameters of acceptable discourse on the internet and how companies enforce their rules. The two sides work through the night to hash out a deal earlier on Monday, the Wall Street Journal reported Twitter, Mr. Musk reached an agreement to value Twitter at $44 billion a take over if it goes through would mark one of the biggest acquisitions and tech history and was likely to have global repercussions for years to come related to how

billions of people use social media must who is also the CEO of Tesla and space exploration technology must find a way to balance this commitment in less moderation with the business needs of a company that has struggled to and space, exploration, technology must find a way to balance this commitment and less moderation with the business needs of a company that has struggled to reconcile free willing conversations with content that appeals to advertisers on Monday after the journal reported that a deal was closed. Mr. Mouss, the indicated tweeted to indicate that he wants to platform to remain destination for wide ranging discourse and this agreement. I hope that even my worst critics remain on Twitter because that is what free speech is all about. So five step on what this guy is going to do. Move number one about Twitter. Move number two is going to take a private. Move number three.

Okay, and what this guy is going to, that's going to piss off a lot of people. Okay, he's going to bring Jack back. Okay, he's going to bring Jack back. Okay. He's going to bring Jack back, Jack Dorsey, because Jack left, because it just worse than working out with the board. Everybody thought Jack was the bad guy. Jack did an own 51% of company when he left. You only owned a couple of percent when he left. He'll bring Jack back. He will eliminate Tom Brady's picture from the combine because that's what he owes to him. And then he's going to bring a guy back that's going to when he does that, forget about it. When he does what? When he brings back Joe's gonna when he does that forget about it. When he does what when he brings back your best friend, he brings Trump back, which he was a student of yours by the way.

We got it. We got I got great stories with the Trump story. Wait, hold on. You coach Trump. What are you saying? He want me to get into that. So he's coming back on Twitter. So if Trump comes back and if there's anybody that's going to bring Trump back on Twitter, it's going to be who? It's going to be a lot. It's coming back on Twitter. So if Trump comes back and if there's anybody

that's going to bring Trump back on Twitter, it's going to be who? It's going to be Elon Musk. It's going to be Elon Musk. If he looked at that picture right there when, when, when, looking fit, I didn't teach you that shot. I didn't teach you that shot. Yeah. Anyway, so, so, so that story is official. Wow. And this guy, if you would, how excited are you right now, Pat? You know what I'm excited about? I'm excited about the fact that people can officially go out there and say stuff and not have to worry about every other word is going to be taken out of context and they're going to be taken down. I think people are free again. But good. I agree, Pat.

You're good. We're on the same page. So you said you have a Trump story. Tell us. I got a lot of many. Anyway, this was, this was the late 90s and I had a girl who was number one in Florida in the 18s. She was 14 years old and she was actually with IMG, which is a management company. And the father approached me about coach and her and she modeled and she sang also and she was good at both besides playing tennis. And he approached me about coach and her and represent her because he didn't think IMG took her modeling and singing, you know, serious enough

and they wanted her to deliver the goods and as a tennis player before we got into the other stuff. So he came to me and I said I have an idea. And I knew Trump had a management company called team management. So we set up. I called the pro there and we went there He goes, yeah, listen Donald comes out every Saturday. He goes through the by the spa He'll come through the tennis say hi to everybody then he goes and plays 18 holes So be out here practicing Saturday. So we were there practicing on a Saturday. I had Monique, this girl, hitting with

the guy 180 in the world. They're just ripping ground strokes back and forth. Now you got to remember the trumpster, he's walking through there every day. He's probably seeing hamburgers and cheeseburgers, the club players. And he's seeing this grow out there, you know, who looks decent, okay, just crushing ground strokes. And he goes up to the pro they have there and starts talking and he points down. And so he comes down to me, he introduce himself. He goes, who is that? I got a box at the US open.

The score looks really good. So I tell him the story, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He goes, listen, anything I can do, let me know. So, there he goes off, two weeks later, me and the dad, fly to New York, we meet with General Counsel, okay. We do the deal for them to represent Monique, okay, I'm going to run the tennis part. Okay, there's like 20% involved. Team management gets 10. I get 10. So this was like the middle of summer. Then what happened? So we had a flight at six o'clock. We go into Donald's office. He goes, you're going back to Florida.

I go, yeah, he goes, I want you to come back on the plane with us, okay? We said, no problem. So we go back early, great guy. Okay, so we get on there, there's a lot of people going from New York down to Mar-a-Lago for the weekend. Donald's in there throwing potato chips at people, pretzels, peanuts, he says, just the nicest guy, all right? He's sat with me and there's a lot of people in this life for two hours.

He got up now and then talking about Kershaw Walker, New Jersey generals, tennis, football, baseball, basketball. I mean, just such a down to earth guy communicator. Okay. A very versatile guy. Remember, he's not president. This was 19. This was 2000. He was thinking about it, but he was doing that Probably to get some publicity so back then so Then he invites me to come to Mar-a-Lago whenever we want so on and so forth So now this is the best so now the US open comes I'm going back and forth with Nike and Fila I'm negotiating to get this girl contract. So listen to this, this is epic.

Midnight, hallway on a napkin. Okay, I secure $1.8 million. $600,000 guaranteed, okay, for a 14 year old girl to wear Fila clothing. I do it on a napkin in the hallway with General Counsel. He goes, Rick, you got, you got to come to Trump Tower the next day and we'll tell Donald, we did this deal. So we go there the next day. He goes, Bernie Diamond was the guy and he goes, we go into Donald's office, he was, it was amazing how Rick was doing this whole thing and it was just amazing. He got $1.8 million. So I know that the Trump shirt is already adding up. He goes, listen, I knew when I was at

Marlago, you were the best and you're the best. I said, of course, you're calling me the best. I just made $180,000. Well, you're really even the best now. So, so, no, so listen, he was, he just said down to earth guy and, you know, when he became president, that next, because I went to bed that night. I don't know what happened next day, I woke up. I put all 50 kids out there and it's on YouTube. I gave the speech of all time. You talk about, forget Rocky Balboa, forget 69 mits, forget Venus walking off the street, no more speaking number one. This is the greatest

upset in the history of life. This guy had daggers, knives, bullets, the media come in every direction at him. Okay, he doesn't need this stuff. He's take, he's mowing down people left and right and the media. Okay, you got to understand how mentally strong it is. Forget the personality. You got to look at the character, the drive, the persistence, the inner qualities of this guy. Forget all the nonsense.

If you just look at how the guy is wired. Okay, you got to respect that. Okay, and this is, listen, I'm not a political guy at the end of the day. I just love winners. Are the rumors true that you're considering being part of his cabinet in 2024? If he asked me, I wouldn't, I'm going to be on the tennis. 50 hours a week. Craziness with the, is that the whole story? You got another Trump story or is that the one that you got? That's the one? Yeah, yeah, it's hard to beat that one. You got that's that's that's I guess. I like that. I like that story. You got there. By the way, tennis wise, you said Carlos Alcaraz

is going to be the best of all time. Yeah. And I was the flavor of the month in Spain after that quote. Listen, I was actually at the Miami Open and I went down there for the semis and finals with I was with Christian Rude, the best player ever to come out in Norway. He got to like 39 in the world where his son Casper is now has now like five in the world or six in the world. Yeah. So I'm Norway. Yeah, he's from Norway. A big fan base in Norway, just so you know, okay. So listen, it's the end of the. So I'm Norway. Yeah, he's from Norway. Big of fan base in Norway just so you know, okay. So listen, it's the end of the day. I went down there. We reunited, sat in

the box with them. And I did get to see Casper play Alcaraz. I call him Alcatraz because he puts everybody in prison. So, so he, but I've seen him play before. And I already called it. But all the nuances he brings, the athleticism, his hips turn faster, people don't see this than anybody I've seen. He has a drop shot from outer space that he can just, he just like, it's sick, but he's a showman, he loves crowds, he was born for this, he's steady, cut from the same cloth as the dow, his serve still needs a little work. I'm going on a record. I mean, I predict a lot of things. I think he'll go down. Barring injury. Greatest player of all time.

Wow. Hold is it now? I said this with Federer when he was 19. I said this with Pete too, Samper's. Okay. Because I look at this thing very different. And I said, I told people, I think it'll be number one by the end of the year. How old is he right now? And he's 18. He's 18. What's he ranked in the world? He's now entered the top 10. He's in the top 10.

Number nine. Let me ask you. Never been done. But wait, one more thing. He's so complete. There's no holes in his game. But he each pressure for breakfast. And he can move.

He'll win the French open. You're going to hear it right here. He'll win the French open double figures. Okay, I'm just telling you where this is going to go, but he can play on all surfaces. He's going to be more vulnerable when guys have big serves like anybody. No one's going undefeated.

No one ever has an any sport. All I'm saying is it's a generational player. I've seen this movie for 30 years. And I said he's fed her Nadal and Jokeovich wrapped in one okay he was born to do this barring injury we're seeing something that's so special I can't even tell you interesting I'm looking at the top 10 rankings here please explain why no American is in the top 10 and I feel like no American men's tennis players been to top 10 and for like a decade plus.

What's going on in America? You think I've at been asked that question. Yeah. I mean, you're an American tennis coach. Yeah. Well, going on with America. Okay. Well, the last guy, the last of Mohicans was Andy Roddy.

Right. He wasn't even as good as any of the guys that were talking about Federer, Nadal, Jokeovich. He wasn't even as good as Sam Prasagas. Nothing. No, we're talking about, Federer, Nadal, Jokevich, he wasn't even as good as San Chris Aguizzi, nothing. You're right about that, but I feel Andy overachieved. You won one grand slam, could have won two if he'd un-missed at high back M. Bolly against Federer Wimbleton, but at the end of the day,

here's what happens. The great athletes, I don't mean good. There's a lot of good athletes, very good friends with Frances, Tiafo, Ryleo Peltkco, I coached a little bit at 12 and 13. Taylor Fritz is not bad. There's a difference between great and good. Great is rare air. We're all good. All of us in this, you know, it's a different fraternity. And I tell people all the time, if I'd have LeBron, okay, at age 10,, mail it in number one tennis player in the world. The guy would have served a buck 50. He'd have been lightning in a bottle, ferocious competitor.

The best athletes go to football, baseball, and basketball. It's easy to grab a ball and shoot a jumper. It's easy to go outside and tackle your neighbor. Okay, tennis is expensive. So the best athletes in other countries, I mean, look at Medved't, the tennis is expensive. And so the best athletes in other countries, I mean, look at Medvedev, the guy's like gum beyond steroids. So a six six and the guy moves in his tentacles everywhere. Joke of itch is made of rubber, you know, they get better athletes. We get good athletes. Okay. And I'm saying our best athletes end up playing basketball football. You're saying? Yeah. And then there's a mental part, how you're brought up, your environment has a lot to do with it. Remember, I called Venus and Serena what I saw under the hood. I didn't

see it on the outside. I, if I based on the outside, I would have taken a cab to the airport and left Compton. I mean, I based it on the inside. Okay, I knew what I could do technically. And this is what happens. And I've talked to the USTA about this. They don't want to look for the needle and the haystack. What I would do, to answer your question, five, six, seven, eight year olds. Yes, that young. Okay, their parents play the Olympics, NBA, NFL.

Okay, you get the genetic base. So you got a few things covered, running, jumping, better, maybe environment. Quarter might have that, okay, quarter. He might win a few grand stamps. He'd be the one American, I think that could do that. So you got these bases covered, running, jumping, competing. And then biomechanically, you get them with someone

like Eric Macy, who can get your serve, not just 140, but it's gonna go in and you got a Certain a forehand like Federer in a backhand like Joker so you put there's no weaknesses But you put them on a great athlete, but you get these kids young you do running jumping you draw blood like they do in the Olympics You can test for all this stuff and you got to fund it. You got to put money into the How do you make your money? Like I'm always watching like Nick, I'm like I'm going all in with the sum, I'm not gonna, how do you make your money on the back end?

Is it like boxing, would a you know, training us like 5% or is it like UFC, would a you know, corner man gets 10%? What's the business model for you? Because Nick, Nick was done broke. He had no money at the end of the documentary. You're watching it.

The guys got nothing to his name, lost everything and he gave his life to these Oh, you didn't see that the guy and they didn't have any money. I think the way it ended What's the organ was the tennis courts in UMG or something like that? I am G big they got all his stuff. They got all his land They got everything that he owned they took from them because he had nothing left and they specifically changed the name To not have Nick's name. Well, it's anywhere. They didn't want Nick, ball of Terry's name anywhere. So what is the business model for a Nick or Rick to make money?

Okay. Well, there's, let's go back a little bit. There's a backstory. Nick got seven million dollars when I am G took over his thing, but he might have been $7 million in debt. I don't know that whole thing. So they took that blueprint and they made it into something football, baseball, basketball, they turned it into something that's just epic. But eliminated everything having to do with his name.

Like almost like this is nonexistent. Here's the founder of the organization and there's nothing about him. And IMG is massive right now. Mass, 85 grand a year. I don't know what the numbers, but it's a pretty big number. Yeah, so, but dance your question. The situation with the Williams is what's different because I had to fund the project besides what equity, you know, when you say, do guys get it on the back end, you're right. They guys get it on the back end you're right

They might get it on the back end and not get paid You know there a lot of these peep coaches they might do something for Osaka or someone and they don't even have a contract And sometimes it's sometimes it's not Enforcible because of a minor and the parent it becomes a tricky, you know with some of these contracts How do you protect the bill? But I don't get into these type things. I only did that with Venus and Serena. If you want me to coach you, okay, I'll do a private for 800 an hour. You know, it's a very different thing.

I don't do it for like free. If you want to leave, it's a business. I don't do it for like- I don't care if they leave you at this point. You're making it 800 bucks an hour. Yeah, it's a straight, but with Venus and Serena, that was different, okay. That was a whole different thing. So, did you make money on the back end?

Yeah, we worked it all out. I don't want to get into the real deep count. Of course, I don't want the details. I just wanted a money with me on the back end. Absolutely. Okay, you know, but that was a very different thing and I haven't done it since and you could imagine even after the movie I probably been asked to do it over a thousand times because I might get better than Venus and Serena

Yeah, I don't know about me, you know like sitting there saying okay You put all this time all this and all the legacy go signs of contract with this person that person this person It's like left out and hey what happened to all those years now, you know, you're asked out now know what happened This guy and you know Credits not given and anyways, I'm sure if you read the letter that I can see wrote to him at the end It's a pretty painful letter that he wrote to him about the ending of the story Agnés' family is related to me. I'm Armenian as Syrian so he lives in Vegas, Susan all those people that go to you and I'll be But anyways going back to this

You know a topic of you said something earlier you said I don't have time to you and I'll be, but anyways, going back to this, you know, a topic of you said something earlier, you said, I don't have time to, you know, I only want the best, I only want the best, I only want the best. Okay, fine. Um, how do you react when you see a Ben Simmons? Oh, I strained my back in the game yesterday. Oh, but the fillies still have to pay me, the 76ers still have to pay me 20 million bucks. Oh, you know, uh, uh, Simone Biles, oh, this is too much pressure. You guys don't know how much pressure there's I know I'm sure there's a lot of pressure from everybody. Oh, you know, uh, Naomi Osaka, somebody said, you suck. Can I get the mic and say something? I thought I was very weird to have something like that happen. You know, how do you handle, you know, everything that these kids are going through now, they're becoming adults with social media, with all of that.

Yet you said the doctor, Lord, however you turned the layer, however you pronounce his name, he wrote those engagement, something about engagement, full engagement, everything's about mental toughness, everything's about emotional toughness, everything's about that. How do you manage what these kids and athletes are saying nowadays, it's too much anxiety for me to play sports?

How do you manage that? Yeah, well, first off, one of the things I try to teach everybody, having the ability to forget is more important than remember. Probably not just sports, but life. I mean, some people are still mad about stuff 20 years later. And that's a skill. You gotta have the ability to flip things in your mind

and take a negative and turn it into a positive. And it's hard, because everything's black and white. Like you said, with social media, everybody is more sensitive to all this stuff. But at the end of the day, it was Simmons and Biles and Naomi, since I don't really know them and how they're wired, I'm just looking from the outside, you know, it's ironic because it's easy maybe to take that approach because they're still all making a lot of money. You know, it's not just getting $50 million a year. You know, Simmons is making all this money, same with Biles. So I don't

really know them, but looking from the outside, it's a bad look for anybody. You got to toughen up. You know, that's what people are going to say. But I don't really like to comment on that because I don't know them. If you ask me about someone else and I knew them, I could tell you exactly what the temperature was and why that is going on. Well, let me ask you this. When you coached the folks that you coach, Kari Kapp, all the names that you just said, right, that you coach, Rodic, all those guys, how would you have handled it if one of them or maybe did you ever have a

player that came up that constantly was like mental and emotional anxiety, all of that. And you just eventually said, let the pros just name I may not be for you, you know, you may want to go to a different job because this comes with a lot of pressure. How did you handle that when that came up when you were coaching them? Well, that does come up in the juniors because people get nervous. I've never had anybody like at the mountaintop say that like some of these people that you've discussed. I mean, that's a whole that's a whole different deal when they have all that success and money and they've went through the process and they've learned how to win and lose and they've won grand slams. It's a little different, but we don't know what's going on in their personal life.

There could be just a lot of other stuff that's going on. So once again, I got to, I would talk to them, okay, that this comes with the territory. If you want to be great, this is what it's all about, you know, having the ability to forget you, you, it's a skill. Okay, if you're going to react to everything, you might nibble near the top, but you ain't going to stay there because greatness can stay there because they're consistent mentally. So unless I knew exactly the perfect example is Roddy, you know, he was so mentally strong. I knew his forehand is going to be nuclear and the serve that I help him achieve was going to be super sauny, but he was just a dog, you know, he was bulletproof. I loved watching him play.

You know, you know, you're in five, six years ago. Oh, Rodic. Yeah, I had Rodic on by a team and I just, the guy, many was exciting to watch. You know, he had limitation, but at the end of the day, he's had the best quote of everything. When he started making all this money, he goes, listen, everything else around me has changed, but it's still me and you and the court I'm gonna kick your butt. I got to actually I don't want to say push back on you, but I got to follow up Yeah, I know you said you you know, you don't really work or you're kind of from a distance with the Ben Simmons of the world and the Simone Biles

But no, Osaka is a tennis player a female tennis player You've coached dozens if not hundreds of female tennis players. You coach Serena and Venus Williams. Hello, she made her name beating Serena, I believe, right? And she cried and she won, I don't remember what tournament it was, but that's helping. You asked her if she was a big winner. And then now this past year, she's had her issues.

I mean, if you can kind of get into the mind of her, because I believe you probably do know her better than any other, you know, And the players that we mentioned, but if you were her coach or if you were advising the coach, what specific things would you do because you do have Experienced with this exact type of person. Yeah, no, you know, like I said, there has to be a lot of stuff off the court because your life is changed. When you go from maybe having not a lot to be the richest female athlete on the planet, okay? And you know, she's in Japan, she's just iconic. So, you're either in or out.

To me, I'm black and white about this stuff. You gotta be so mentally strong. If you're gonna be in, you're in. If you're out, you can't be half in and you can kinda see that in a performance. She's not all there. Because if you don't wanna die to win every point, you're gonna lose against better players.

I mean, that's what people don't see. They might see, oh, my kid has a better server forehand. They don't know what's under the hood. And her mental toughness was her strength. And now that she's being sensitive and stuff like that, I would have a very different conversation with her. I don't know if I'd want to coach her if a player responded like that, unless I had more information,

then I'd have a little better feel. Let me ask the question, definitely, because I know what you're you're you're you're walking, you know, you're in the business, so you can't really give the answer on a mic that you know. Anyway, so I understand I respect that, but let me ask the question in a different way. When you were coaching in the 80s, 90s, you've you've coached in five different decades, you know, am I saying the correct? You there are six different decades five different decades, right? Yeah, okay, so How much was this the topic of discussion in the 80s 90s 2000? Amazing question

Never okay, that's the question. No, it's never Never yeah, never a one you're saying mental toughness or what? Depression like oh my god, I can't handle this. No, no, it's, it's, it's a real thing. These things, no, no, no, no, no, no. They're making it a real thing. It's what you're saying. Yeah, no, it's, it's the social media.

It's entitlement. Kids are brought up different, you know, there's, you know, kids are a little more spoiled, you know, things are easier, you know, it's, it's, it's just different. Even physical fitness different. Kids got in shape by just running around outside playing tag. Now you got trainer. It's a it's a different world and it's created a created a lot of

marshmallows mentally, you know what I'm saying? And so but that's that's the question right there. This never ever came up to the point where you even kind of felt it, let alone would express it like that. I mean, so that means it's very deep. So how can kids be mentally tougher? It sounds like you agree exactly what Pat was going with that question. I agree exactly. How do you keep your kids you're coaching these days? Let me ask a different question. Let me ask a different question. You're the expert. We're just amateurs here. We're not in the world.

We're in a complete different world. We're in. Okay. How much of this is a problem that was non-existent that's been created purely out of the imagination of, you know how they say all these new forwards what's the full bicks that we have afraid of this afraid of that afraid of this but you need these new medicines you need this new this new this big farmers making all this money based on different fears that they're making

and all these medicines that people are taking is based on all these phobias that was created by these scientists who represent these big farmers again these are stories we've all read about. How much of it is just fabricated that's got these kids believe in? I really have this issue. Yeah, a lot of it. You know what I mean? Because it's like everybody wants a quick fix, okay?

To get anywhere, you got to take the stairs, not the escalator. You know what I mean? Everybody wants a quick fix on everything. But no, you're right, this never existed. But I need to dive in about the family component. A lot of this also is the mom and dad, okay? Because not that they have total control over it, but they are raising kids, they are raising kids.

Some just throw them out there and let them grow like grass, other water it and fertilize it. So the parents, they want their kid to be rough and tough and be competitive and take a punch and then they go the ball and buy a Gucci bag. So it's just a bizarre thing that a lot of it is the parent, you know, and I'll go back to where I started, you know, this interview Richard Williams, what I saw at 9 and 10, okay, which other people didn't. It wasn't on the outside. Outside was a train wreck.

Sorry, Venus, it was a train, by where I told him that. It was a train wreck on the outside, but on the inside, I never saw it. So that box was checked and a few others. Yeah. Because I knew, I knew that's the wild card. You don't know how people are going to freak out under pressure. A quarterback, when some guy wants to knock him out, you know, when the game's on you don't know that and I saw They the minute I changed the game to like competitive It it kind of freaked me out and I've never been freaked out about anything so but that was done at a young age And that's why I Richard Williams was just saying all this insanity

which is saying all this insanity because he saw the same thing. But it took someone that had that eye because on the outside you can't see it. So, sports stats, okay. Let's go through some of those. You got Tigers that, okay. You got Lavar Ball. You got the Manning's father who's got two boys, two archie men who's got two boys with two super balls each, which is insane, right?

Yep, you got King Richard, you got Emanuel Agassi, you got a lot of these stories, right? MJ's dad, MJ's dad, yeah, but you know, okay, fine, you can put MJ's dad there as well. All these stories with these dads. So then the question becomes the following. You know how when I talk to investors, I say what's most important? The entrepreneur, the talent and the entrepreneur's team, the idea, the technology, what's most important, right? Or you'll ask, hey, Tom Penn, who was a GM

for the Phil Dev 76, I think he was GM and then he went to ESPN. So what's most important? An ownership team, a great coach, a superstar player, or a great GM, right? You ask these questions. Okay. In these specific examples, Williams,

okay, Agacy, you know, Manning's, all this stuff. Who gets the bigger percentage of success? Okay, and I know this the last thing you want to be pressured to talk about because what percentage is parents? What percentage is kids? No, it's to me, the biggest percentage is always the parents. You gotta remember, this is a genuine, by the way, how big of a percentage by the way?

It could be well over 75%. I, this is the genetics. Listen, the genetics, I'll say it again. I've never had anybody come to me and the parent did nothing and the other parent did nothing and the kid became a world class athlete. I've just never seen it in my sport. There's some, can you repeat that folks? If you, so some people ask me and I say, why do you bring somebody who's a tennis coach?

We never talk tennis here. I'm a parent. And I only bring people here to my show that I'm interested in, not your interested in. This is called a PBD podcast because I want to learn on how to become a full complete package, better human being and a leader. Okay, listen to what he just said. I judge myself, kind of like, people ask him, oh my God, I've had your son press on, I'm like, dude, you don't know my dad. You give me way too much credit.

My dad raised the damn standards on work ethic, and if you say you're gonna do something, you do it in honesty and all this stuff, I get way too much credit. You should give more credit to my dad. 80% of the credit should be to my dad on how he raised me, the how he challenged me, how it was never enough. It was so freaking annoying sometimes. Yeah. Right? And I use, and obviously that in my mom played a different role as well.

But it's such an important dynamic on what you just said. Can you repeat that sentence one more time? You've never seen a, no, I've never seen someone become a world-class player, okay, in my sport, that the mom or dad didn't do something in sports, you know, with the genetics, like whether they played high-level college or high school, or maybe the family tree. It could be a grandfather who was an Olympic sprinter or you know a Russian who was a swimmer. So there has to be something. I've never seen it ever. Okay. But you're saying physically genetics. Are you also seeing how they know interact with the child physically now? The mental part. Okay. Because remember if they're with Rick Macy or whoever, they're with me X amount of time a day. The rest of

the time when you go home and close that door, you're with family. You don't know what's percolating. You don't know what life lessons are going into that kid's head, how they're wires. It's major league, to me it's the most important. That's why, once again, you ask me about a Mary Contennis. Listen, I'm not throwing a net out there over the whole country or everybody. You're always gonna have those flyers but at the end of the day the Eastern European's you got people they're rougher they're tougher it's like when I saw Serena she was like a

little pit bull. Once she got a hold of you she wanted gonna let go and I just said I gotta get this kid strokes and a serve. And so that's half the battle. How you're gonna handle, and how you're gonna compete. And you can teach that in nurture, and I do that. But it's hard to rewire things that have been put in these kids head. So you know how the story of what's that That One movie with Russell Crowe, the beautiful mind

where you go into that one place that he has and it's got all these formulas like what the hell is in disguise, man? What does he think about it or even great Cating who found who killed two-pock and big and he's got this whole report of names there in even the American gangster where there's just one scene where it's like who who is the drug dealer behind everything? And you know, it's Denzel Washington. It's typically when you see like somebody, you know, performing at a high level,

somebody in that lineage, race the standards was tough, was a son of a bitch, was difficult, was challenging, nothing was ever enough. And pop up like when Agacy tells a story, with my dad, nothing was ever enough. I don't know if you know, history, different story as well. It's almost like, yeah, buddy, but you would have never married graph.

If that wasn't your dad, you would have never met her. You would have never been a champion. If it was, I totally get it, frustrating, totally get it. I get that fully understandable. It's almost like, you know, Mike talked about it in the last dance where he says, when you're going through it, it's so difficult. When Mike, that was, this is what Michael says in the last dance.

Do you know what I want to see when he says, you know, hey, Michael, aren't you going to play outside? Do you know what I do? Yeah, you're just not let me and your brother do what they're doing. He says in that moment, it drove me. It was so difficult to go through it. But he made it through and look at the level of a champion he became. It becomes mentally and emotionally tough to be able to handle all this pressure. So

I don't know. I think the part that you talk about that people are raising more soft people today and parents are like, oh my gosh, you okay? Oh my gosh, you okay? Oh my gosh, you okay? I don't know a lot of oh my gosh, you're okay, growing up, you know, as a kid. So listen, some people today will call that terrible parenting. Rick, how dare you say such a thing. You're not empathetic, you're not compassionate, you don't understand what it is, you know, so all this stuff that you talk about, but the percentage of making it to the top level, take Elon Musk's that away, and his dad doesn't say what he says to him, does Elon Musk become who he is today. I don't know about that. Do you have another Tiger Woods ever? Tiger Woods won the 2007 US Open with a broken knee. Unbelievable. That's a rare specimen

right there. What is that? Did you watch his documentary? Well, and he said Phil Mikkelsen is a better player than he is, right? But he didn't have the worth to work at that that Earl Woods is still in Tiger Woods. that killer instinct. Did you watch the documentary? Parts of it. Have you watched the documentary? I have. I do that highly recommend you watch the whole thing. Did you did you get it? I get on. I'm telling you guys I so here's the mistake I made. One night I started watching at 10 30 and it's three hours. I'm going to watch it today and I'm going to finish it next three nights. I stayed up to two o'clock in the morning I watch part one and part two. It's that Ridiculous. That's why I'm a big fan of tiger. I mean even all the stuff that he has

I'm just a fan of tiger. I'm a fan of people that are willing to tolerate that much pain. Yeah, it is so difficult to become a Williams Yeah, it is so difficult to win at that level Well Pat, let me ask you because you started the conversation or this question with, you know, our kids conditioned these days and the phobia these days and obviously you transitioned to you wouldn't be who you were without your dad, right? And he's a coach. If God would have chosen somebody else's my dad, I'm, you don't know who I am. My question to you is then Pat, as a father, you told the story a couple podcasts ago about

you went up to, I think Dylan's coach and you're like, you could be hard on him, that's fine. You know, you told the story a couple podcasts ago about you went up to I think Dylan's coach and you're like, you could be hard on him. That's fine. You know, you told that story. Yeah. You know, but you're seeing what kids are dealing with these days, everything that Rick just said about social media and other phobias. How are you taking this information and becoming a better dad to your kids in today's generation? So he made a very good point in sales. I made a mistake early on of driving everybody the same way because I Drawed this one guy this one way and it worked with them I said this is gonna work with everybody he hated it. She couldn't handle it

He quit like what happened? How come you can't be like this person? Well, they're different personalities can't drive Everybody's same way right one needs more encouragement the other one needs to say well I think that guys woke up an hour before you made a hundred more calls than you. That worked with him, but it discouraged this one. Then the other one was good with the selfish desires. He wants to bake house the accolades, the fame, all that stuff. But this other one could give a shit about all that stuff. This one wants to do it for mom and dad to make them proud.

That other person loves America in his country. He wants to do something to give back to the country that gave him this freedom. And this other guest from El Salvador, he loves this country, but he came here. He can't stand the fact that what happens to a Salvador, he wants to make money to want to go back and be an office in a Salvador. That person's driven in a different way. So not everybody's driven the same way.

So with my kids, I asked them a question earlier about different ways of coaching. Like what should kids need when they're younger, it's just for them to love the game. Then the next phase is what should kids need at this age is more fundamentals, right? Like learning like, you know, perfect practice makes perfect not practice makes perfect.

They have to add the perfect practice makes perfect. Okay. So now they need to learn the fundamentals the right way. Like I'm not teaching Tico at the Rodeball. I'm the wrong guy to teach you at a Toro do ball. You can teach him at a Toro do ball. Better than I can teach him at a Toro do ball, right? Because you're an athlete. I was not, right?

So now it's getting the fundamental people around them and to also like the game, little bit of competition, little bit of pressure, then the real pressure's shown up when you're getting at the 10 to 14 age. You kind of seen a little bit, can they handle it or not? You need a little bit more support, all this stuff to watch them.

I don't know, I just watched to see we're all different. And with the kids yesterday, we're playing baseball outside. Dylan wants to go 45 more minutes. Let me eat five more balls. Let me eat five more balls. Let me eat five more balls. No, no, that wasn't long enough. Five, I'm like, at this point,

I'm, we miss church yesterday. We miss church yesterday because of Dylan. Well, I'm disappointed. So I'm like, at this church, I know I missed you. You would do a good job. You want that passion. I mean, that's gold, I'm disappointed. So I'm like, five more balls. I know I missed you at the, you would do it. You want that passion. I mean, that's gold right there. You're not pushing.

That's from what you're doing. But my oldest, my oldest said, that I want to go inside and draw more movie characters. See you later. But the point is his view later is Hollywood and movies. Storytelling. It's not baseball.

So I'm trying to as a parent like your daughters that don't want to play tennis, but they crush it in gymnastics. It's that you're not getting in the way of what is their strength. And yet still having to teach them mental and emotional toughness no matter what game they play. So my son's like, I don't like baseball. Why don't you like baseball? He had one very bad moment in baseball. It's private between him and I and like it's like whisper to him. It's a come here. Is that why? And he kind of looks away. So that's why isn't it because I want moment. Yeah. So that's between you and I. It's what I don't like baseball. I said, do you not like baseball? Do you not like it because it links to a painful moment. I said, what are you going to do when you make a movie one day and everybody

says it's a terrible movie? How are you going gonna handle that? Good point. What are you gonna do? You think this thing is a baseball thing? This is a life thing, baby. This is everything we do. We do podcasts. It's just a shittiest podcast ever. Then a next podcast, just the best podcast ever. Then a next podcast. You guys suck. Two podcasts later. Just the greatest they're gonna be the biggest. It's such a bipolar thing that you gotta be able to manage it. No, you gotta be able to, you gotta be able to have the, parents need to be more than anything psychiatrist, not coaches, right?

Yeah, psychology, they get psychologists. But let me just go back to something you said earlier about the coaching parks, I think it's as important. Okay, I can have a kid who's dead tired, okay? And they can't go anymore. And I might say, okay, we're gonna do a 20 ball suicide, where I just run him side to side, okay? And they get to 18 and they just can't go anymore.

And all sudden, I say $20 you get this ball. And let me tell you something, there's turbo inside the kid that I've never seen before. Or if I say, I'll give you a hoodie like the one I have on or you get a gatorade or I give you five bucks or water. Okay, here's what happens. When there's grades or there's rewards. I don't care how tired you are, you could be throwing up. Okay, I always have the quote one more, one more as in WM. Okay, and this is what I do with everybody. Okay, I get them to push boundaries, challenge their limits, not limit their challenges. And so it's amazing the water ball if I say water ball, okay, out of nowhere You got like who sewn bolt, you know, you just got this lightning the kids like drag in whatever because the mind controls the body

Okay, and you know, I talked to him about Navy seals I talked to him about all these type of things and I give situation when I say Water ball all the parents like they just laugh because 98% of the kids all of a sudden it's like they just run like you have no idea where before they're letting the mind control the body. Or if I put kids together and they could be dead tired and we play tag in an area. Okay, all of a sudden they're not tired anymore. They're shaking and baking, they're juking, they're bobbin, they're weaving,

they're running all over the place, even though they're dead tired because of one word. Fun. When it's fun, okay, you are not tired anymore whether it's business, whether it's just Tony. And this is how it comes across in the movie. So do I do things differently? I feel the temperature, okay?

And I react accordingly, because I keep balls and strikes on every lessons. You gotta get better or you're getting worse. So I'm gonna last what's your opinion on mixed style of leadership? Nick Volitaire. Nick and I are pretty good friends. You know we go way back. It's a very different situation with Nick. Early on he was the first

so make it Mohicans. He put that thing together in Bradington. He was the first one to really do an academy where he got guys together. He just figured put them together, combat and you know put them together, combat, and you know, put people together that were living in New York or Wisconsin or Michigan, bring them to Florida, battle it out, and you'll get better. Nick was a great motivator. He'd give you the shirt off his back. Okay, then when it became, I think technically or biomechanically, he was always very limited, not because he wasn't a good player or anything. But when it becomes easy and then IMG gets involved, you don't really continue your education.

But he had that IMG machine, you know, pumping Vola Terry's name out for 30 years. Okay, but what Nick has done for the game of tennis and the Academy business, I think, is amazing. But I very seldom have been on a court with him, just like if someone would ask, well, how does Rick Macy coach? What they should do, get on the court with me, I'll be there on six tomorrow morning, and they can hang with me for six hours,

and they'll have a different understanding than what they see on Instagram of YouTube, even though I got the top selling videos in the country. Okay, there's a lot of meat on the bone. I have a lot of people for free, but once live in in color and you can interact and you can see all the subtle nuances of how things are done, why to say it, when to say it, how to say it, there's a whole art to this and that's coaching. And so when you went to save and in the dolphin, sure, you need the goods or you need the thoroughbred to win the derby, but also you got to relate, you got to know how to relate to people. And that's what great coaches do. So it doesn't matter who's on the other side of the net. I can get them to do more than what they ever thought

they could do. I love that. By the way, did you see the recent story of, and we'll do this last one, and wrap up, is that the one or no? No, that joke. No, that joke of it slams Wimbledon band on Russian tennis players as crazy and since political, politics should be out of sports.

Let me read this story. It says parallels between the Ukraine war and the close of the war in the late 90s, which took place when he was a child. He said, I will always condemn war. I will never support war being myself a child of a war. I know how much emotional trauma it leaves. In Syria, we all know what happened in 1999. In the Balkans, we have had many wars in recent history.

However, I cannot support the decision of Wimbledon. I think it's crazy when politics interferes with sports. The result is not good. What do you think, Mowodysa? I totally agree with the Joker. He'll probably go down until Aforez catches fire. Alcatraz. As the greatest player ever to hold a tennis racket

when it's all said and done, because he has a lot left in the tank. But I totally agree with him. That shouldn't have anything to do with it. It has nothing to do with it. Wimbledon's always been a little different. If anything, they should give the $30 million, they got from an insurance policy they had for the pandemic.

By the way, you probably didn't know that. They they got 30 million when they didn't do Wimbleton from because they had it in the clause if there was a pandemic they get 30 million and they didn't have the tournament they got 30 million that year. Who did? Wimbleton they had it in insurance policy back in the early 2000s. This is public info. Yeah you know so they have 30 million from Houges. The insurance company if they had to cancel it because of a pandemic Which who would put that in an insurance the day you think that you have a pandemic? It's not gonna have actually great planning by Wimbledon Ray planning but when I'm saying they should give some cheddar to Ukraine instead of banning Russian tennis players I think it I agree with the Joker. I think it's like insane and it's unfortunate

I think it I agree with the Joker. I think it's like insane and it's unfortunate Because we shit. You know what the actual number is? 141 million dollars Look at that right there. Yeah Forbes a Wimbledon's organizers set for a hundred and forty one million dollar payout After taking out pandemic insurance. You know what the premium is per year? You know what the premium is per year? Probably million dollars per year. Look Yeah, two million dollars per year. Got him $141 million. So you're saying, Wimbleton was rooting for a pandemic.

They were okay with that. The leader in the clubhouse, the pandemic. But I agree with the Joker. I just feel it's unfortunate. I hope other tournaments don't do the same thing because the players, I mean, tennis is a tough sport. You gotta pay your own expenses. It's global. It's not like NBA. There's stuff not guaranteed. It's very expensive. And I think the deprive them of that opportunity is unfortunate.

Well, listen, I hope the audience has enjoyed this as much as I've enjoyed it. Yeah, this was awesome. I'm so great. We're ready to do this. Rick, you're qualified badass. I'm so glad we had you on. And not only that, but you're a cool sport, great sport, telling cool stories. Learn a lot, a lot. Listen to you got two more. You got two more minutes. I got serena story. Tell me. Okay. The people people love this. I told this and it went viral. Okay. We're on the court. Serena is 11 years old. It's July. Okay. 110 degrees. A lizard can't even go across the court without getting cooked, okay? So it's in Venus is on one court. Serena's on another, always side by side and I told Serena you got to move your feet and she looks at me and you know that look you've seen it at the

US open. She goes why? I said you say you want to be number one. She goes now she's 11, okay? She goes I will be number one. I said, you say you want to be number one. She goes, now she's 11, okay? She goes, I will be number one. I said, how do I get you to move your feet? She goes, Rick, I'm really hungry. Can you have Scott go to the snack machine? I want some hot curly fries, a Snickers bar, a Pepsi, and on the way to work today, daddy drove by a stand and they were selling Green Day T-shirts. Can you have Scott get a green day t-shirt? I said wait a minute if I gave you the Snickers bar the curly fries the Pepsi Scott gets a green day t-shirt where you move your feet she goes rip you see that tall skinny go over there

She's pointing to Venus because Venus was like that. I'll make her look slower than molasses So I go Scott go this sack machine get the hot curly fries, Snickers bar, the Pepsi, tomorrow on the way to work on Linton Boulevard, get the green day t-shirt. So he brings all the goodies, Serena goes under the canopy, has her snack, goes back on the court for one hour straight. She's sitting cross-coordinate down the line with a guy like 450 in the world at hitting partners, sweats pouring off this little girl like Niagara Falls, no water break, an hour straight just going berserk. One hour straight. I'm on

the other court now with Venus. She goes, Hey Rick, it's 315. I'm done and you better have that green day t-shirt here in the morning. Now, you got her and I told her that because you got to remember she's a mother now and when I told her that because you got to remember, she's, she's a mother now. And when I told her some of these stories at the after party, she literally crying. Okay, on the ground, because she can relate, I mean, she wasn't as mature as Venus. That's why she turned pro at 16 and Venus 14. But that's a great serena story. But at the end of the day, like you asked me earlier about coaching, She was in the tank. She's already played four hours My got the best out of her I won she won Richard won and the rest is history. I love that and that's the power of Green Day

Baby there you go green day Power of I read a book called parental capacity and it said if you want to win at the high level for your kids If you want to get kids to win at the high level for your kids, if you want to get your kids to win at the highest level, you need to write supporting cast around you, coaches, teachers, professors, tutors, uncles. You need to write people around that keep challenging and lifting your kids up. The right ones can help that kid become somebody and obviously you played a very very big role in what these William sisters did and it's great to be part of history. It's great to have a movie be done and a guy like John Burntaw one of my favorite actors play you

That's like a dream come true man. It's exciting stuff there to have you on so having said that tomorrow We have we have a Diamond Dallas page tomorrow and in Thursday. We have Paul manifold. That should be very interesting right there Well, that's gonna be like having said that brother was great having you all Rick. Thank you Thank you for having me. I may take a lesson with you, man I see what you got with this one hour. I say we do it. We recorded and you see We're gonna teach her. I'll let you do hilarious We'll do it and we'll video and I'll let you know we're technically

Sterequely strategically and maybe at the end I might say we have to take up golf Thank you everybody bye bye bye bye bye And maybe at the end I might say we have to take up golf. But you know, I don't know. You have to deal. I said we'd do it. Take everybody. Bye bye. Bye bye. Bye.