PBD Podcast - Reaction To Iranian Protests w/ @Nazanin Nour | PBD Podcast | Ep. 192

Episode Date: October 11, 2022

In this episode, Patrick Bet-David is joined by Nazanin Nour, Morteza Alborzi, Polet Sabatimani, & Vincent Oshana. Nazanin Nour is an Iranian American actress, model and writer. She has appeared on several television films and shows, including Madam Secretary. She is one of the judges of the first season of Persia's Got Talent, the Persian spin-off of the British talent show Got Talent. TOPICS Guest Intro New York Times Article Why does Iran Matter Conformity Criticism of the Shah of Iran Leadership playing games Your Rally Cry From Dictatorship to Democracy When Iran needs help Should the US intervene Trumps Iran policy Leaderless Revolution Hezbollah laws Nours Song Text: PODCAST to 310.340.1132 to get added to the distribution list Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal bestseller Your Next Five Moves (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

Today we have a special podcast. Let me explain to you why this is special. With all the tragic events taking place in Iran and the courageous protests are going on around the world, specifically in Iran, women leading the way with the youth, we decided to do a special podcast to just discuss the topic of Iran. And we got four special guests here with us. One of them, this is our Assyrian Adam, we call them Vinyoshana. Salam. Who's here with us. Second, we have Nazanine Nour, who made some strong comments about New York Times. I want to say last week that went viral. Everybody was talking about it.

Everybody was sending it to us. If you don't know who she is, her background, she's appeared in Prime TV US, shows like Madam Secretary, Criminal minds, political minds. She's also to create a mind behind Persian mom, and many other things. On top of that, she graduated from George Mason University with a degree in government and international politics. Her double major is in communication, but I love her minor.

Yeah. Her minor is in media criticism. How awesome is that, my man? Right, which is appropriate for New York Times. I like it. We criticize a lot of things. That's good. We're going to do a lot more of it today, hopefully. And then we have Morteza Alborzi, okay, former world champion, 12 consecutive Iran national champion, head coach for Iran and U.S. national karate team, and over 17,000 students of which,

over 1200 black belts, he was a former political prisoner and activist twenty four seven the last forty three years and uh... his uh... obsession is to make sure he brings freedom back to ironsa we can go back to iran one day celebrate uh... the rich history that iran has a new scene right now the cover of the masters uh... magazine martial arts i think you're a nine degree black belt if I'm not mistaken. So more to the al-Pazhi. Thank you.

I should put my hand in the green room and almost my knuckles broke. I told you don't do it. I don't know. We did it. We did it. I should have thank you angry. It hurts so bad. Well, the whole thing is we're safe. That's the most important thing. It's on our side. We are safe. And at last but not least, there's only one way to introduce the last person that we have here. And it's a picture. Can you we just show one picture? So this will explain who the last person is. So the guy to the right is a guy named Patrick Beddavid. And the guy to the left is my sister,

poet Beddavid, Savitymani, who's also here with us. And the reason why I wanted to also bring my sister, poet is because she's got not only strong opinions, but she's got a different perspective because she lived in Iran up until 16 years old. And she was probably old enough to remember the revolution taking place. So you probably have some history there,

memories there, poet, to share with everybody else. And that picture, does it, I mean, that picture should pretty much tell you how this whole thing got started with that hijab. Look at how she's wearing that hijab because not because of choice, but because of force, because it's what's normal in the country that we were born and raised in. So having said that, we want to welcome everybody here on the podcast. So it's good to have you guys on. Thanks for having us.

Thanks for having us. And as usual, we have Tyler here as well. Tyler is not Iranian, but he's got the beard of an Iranian, so we're going to make it work. All right, so let's get right into it. So not as any. Mortez up, Polette. We'll start with you guys first.

When you first heard the news of what's going on with this, you got really passionate. You've been passionate about this for a minute here. Obviously your degree even says what your passion's been around this for a while. What happened with this one where you suddenly went out there, you gave your rant with New York Times and how everybody is curious to know where they're saying, well, this doesn't make any sense. They're saying it's economical. They're not saying it's because of women. They're not saying because of that. Give us your thoughts on what's going on with Iran and how you all

of us want to voice your thoughts on what's going on with Iran and how you all of a sudden want to voice your opinion about this. Well, I think I've voiced my opinion on Iran for many years, but I feel like I've held back of like a many people in the diaspora do for many different reasons, for those that don't know. Some people fear persecution, even. That's how far the Islamic Republic has its reach

because it instills fear even in people that don't live there. And especially if you have family and friends there. And then this specific case, I feel like for Massosina, I mean, it was the same thing that got Iranians out in the streets. It was like the straw that broke the camel's back. It was like really, again, and this violently.

And then the New York Times thing was, I read the article, first of all, the headline was very misleading. And what was the body of the article? Of course, there's things in there that are factual. It's correct. The economy is bad. But the economy isn't bad just because of what's going on right now.

It's been in a steep decline for like a couple decades. So there's a lot of things at play. And again, I'm not an economic expert, so I can't really speak to that. But that's not the whole story. So many journalist friends of mine reached out to me privately, and then some of them went public too, which to me, I thought was interesting.

I was like, OK, so it's not just me that is getting really upset about this. People are looking at this that are in that profession and saying, well, the headline was misleading. If you read parts of the article, it makes it seem like Iran has some sort of functioning democracy and that there's these little legitimate elections,

which there is not. And I couldn't fathom how you could see all of the footage coming out of Iran and then go write an entire piece that it's in a well-respected, in many circles, publication that's supposed to inform the masses. And so a lot of people are getting their information and knowledge from this. And if they read this, they will walk away thinking,

oh, yeah, it's the economy. Not that people don't wanna live under a theocracy. Not that people are screaming, Zanzin de Giyazadi, which is woman life freedom, that they want, women want bodily autonomy, and human rights. They don't wanna live under a theocracy. They're literally screaming death to the dictator,

death to the regime, and all of those things got the equipment of one little sound bite, and like I would say 50 to 60% of the article focused on, well they're out because of the economy, and let's speak to so-and-so who owns this bazaar here, which again, very valid, but that's not what pushed people out into the streets.

I want to read this, so for some of you that maybe haven't read this article, what pages it on? Tyler, if you can tell me what page it is, I can go right to it. It should be eight, eight or nine. Okay, so let me read this article. I'm not going to read you the whole thing,

but I think a couple of the snippets out of it so you can kind of follow what story she's talking about. I got eight here. I'm on eighth and I don't see it. Tell me what pages it on. It's one of the pages that we had earlier. Just one you handed. Oh, no, six. Page six, right at the top.

Out of reach dreams in a sickly economy. Let me read this to you. So. Okay, so this is New York Times, October 2nd, out of reach dreams in a sickly economy provoked a rage in Iran, right? When Nader, a 41-year-old construction company employed in Tehran, shops for groceries,

he constantly adjusts his lists as he wanders, the I.O.'s double-checking prices, and factoring them into his budget, his basket keeps shrinking as inflation surges a year ago, he gave up red meat and chicken. Now, with Nader's savings gone, and his rant having doubled, even cheese and eggspt come in luxuries i can't keep up with the rising prices no matter how hard i run

uh... you know as a taxidriver to afford clothes to school books for a son and a telephone interview are demand is for the government to fix the economy to understand that we are breaking under financial pressure nader like tens of thousands of iranians taking part in a nationwide protest against the government in the past two weeks Has plenty of grievances to choose from soaring prices high unemployment corruption Political repression and the law required woman to dress modestly

Modestly and covered their hair that last issue set off unrest when a young woman Massa Amini died two weeks ago in the custody of the morality police But the story state of Iran's economy is one the main force of spirit, Iranians and to streets to demand change. So you you read something like this You know, and it's not like it's a small newspaper. This is New York Times now A lot of people have lost a lot of trust for New York Times on you know posing sides, you know Whatever the album even Bill Mars not talking Highly about New York Times on posing sides, whatever the aisle, that we even Bill Mars not talking highly about New York Times city that he did before.

Mortezal, when you read something like this and you see what's going on with America, a lot of people are going to read the saying, oh, all these videos are just videos. It's not really that bad. It's just another country in the Middle East that they're protesting. That goes on all the time.

It's fine, let's not pay attention to it. Let's pay attention to other things. Why is this so important for people that are not Iranian to pay attention to? Look, Pat, as I mentioned, most of my stories on Instagram, Facebook, this is not happening because of what happened to Massa. This was a bomb, waiting, waiting 43 years

for the country that was second in gas, third in oil, fifth in precious metals, fifth in gold, fifth strongest army in the world with the passport that 157 doesn't need a visa to go to 157 countries. Pre-revolution, you talking to 1776, right? And on 1778 was the second, not third, second, most visitor tourist, that visit our country.

Turning to the point that now people finding food in a trash can, I get emotional to talk about the event. That country which provided so many geniuses, 5,500 professors in United States universities, Iranian. Wow. One third of NASA, or Iranian. Now the Sharif University is getting surrounded by police.

And we know what's going to happen to those kids. We know what's going to happen to them. When police and we know what's gonna happen to those kids We know what's gonna happen today when you say we know yeah because just assume people don't know what will happen to those kids What exactly happened to two event before that what happened you think right now of 185 87 or 89 People got killed. No They asking me three four thousand people got. Because all those people that got arrested, there is no sign, and like a last time, they find the body of 2,100 of them. It's not just that people got killed in this street. I got a picture this morning from the doctor.

We have a medical clinic underground, which is basically... Interran. Yeah, Interran. We're helping them with the money that these doctors serving people that they got shot and so on. So because if they're stepping on hospital, immediately they get arrested. They're not even letting go in.

The doctor post the picture said by the law, you cannot come to hospital and shot at the injured. And he put the picture on it that they went to the hospital and do it. Now imagine what they're going to do when they take it to the custody on Jay. May I say something about that? Because I got messages from inside of Iran about the hospital situation. Somebody, a couple of people told me, oh, my so and so is the chief at this hospital and at this hospital.

And they were warning patients not to use their real names because if you come in with any type of wound that shows that you were maybe in a protest or hit at a protest, you could get arrested. And you start about Shadyf University that just happened a few days ago for your listeners where this is like the Harvard, the MIT, in Iran, you have the best and brightest students there. And they just surrounded it, the government forces,

and chased them out. They got blocked into the garage. Some people made it out. Some people got arrested, beaten. A lot of students are still in jail, which is why a lot of students are protesting at universities right now asking for their friends and their classmates to be released.

I mean, it's pretty wild. When you say that to a regular person, they're like, what are you talking about? That's really the life right now in Iran. And New York Times is saying, you know, it's a fair election, you know, a raizy that he had last year and lowest amount of turnout in elections since 1979 and you know, stats come out and hey, this was already predetermined.

So for Iran, let me even take a step back. You know, why does Iran matter so much to you? Okay, pull it for you. We were born in Iran, okay, we lived there for a while. But we're not, we're a Syrian, we're Armenian, we've been in America for quite some time. What's so special about Iran to you? Memories, you want to go back and there's so much history in Iran. I remember when the revolution happened, I was actually researching it and I came across an article that back in 1979, women protesting forced hedge-up.

So there were about 100,000 women that were on the streets fighting that they didn't want to have hedge-up, right? And I- This is right after Chomanian March said that the job's going to be mandatory. It says on March 8, 1979, more than 100,000 women gathered on the street to protest hedge-up. And I remember, mom used to take us to,

there was a street called Gandhi, it's still there. And they had like the first malls and everything came there. And to get us Italian ice cream, right? And so we're there. And all of a sudden back then, they would call it Sepah. It was Sarola, they used to call the Sarolas, right? And they were in the cars and they were just chasing to see which who was Saurolah. It was like the police of Hejab. Okay. Police of Hejab. Right? Now it's the same thing. It's the same thing. It's a different

thing. Got it. It's one makes sure the listeners know what we're talking about. OK. And then we were out. And this was you were three. I was about nine. And mom, we were walking on the street. And then the morality police charged at mom and said, what are you doing? You're raising a prostitute. Her hair is causing a man to sin.

And so... You remember this. I remember that. The way she... And your soul. And mom was fighting back. Don't talk to me like... Because just like this mask that became mandate all of a sudden...

Yeah. That's what I had so many flashbacks when the mask came back. And I'm like, you gotta fight this. This is all psychological fight. So anyways... Um... Then after that, mom got me the first through Sadie, head job. Koni Tarak, how old are you? I was 10, I was nine and a half 10.

And was it like, was it something for you, Polet, where it was like, I'm a woman now, I'm wearing a head job, or was it kinda like, I don't wanna wear this, or was it like, everybody does, so I'm doing it as well. Do you remember like what it was for free? It wasn't none of those it was we just have to protect ourselves to be safe because kids were missing and The the back then because in 1967

Family protection law was reappealed There was a family protection law that protected women. And they said the age of marriage for women went up to 15. Then Shaw and their cabin cabinet took it up to... What does that sound by the way? Do you guys hear that sound? Yeah, I do. Malik, is that from your side or no? Because we hear the sound and it's, I'm off. I don't have anything. I'm on airplane mode. Okay, can you check to see if your phone is off or see if yours is a computer? It's for playback.

I can hear it's playback. It's somebody's YouTube's playback. Yeah, but I don't have anything. Yeah, it's not me here either. Mine is off. Okay, keep going. So you were saying so you were explaining the story. The age of marriage up to 15 and 18. And then

after the revolution, they dropped it out to nine. And then they took it up to 13. So for mom was, we just have to do what they say, because I don't want them to come and snatch my kid. That was the only reason why. That was the only reason why just That was the only reason why. Just to make sure, follow the rules, conform so they leave us alone. Exactly. Conformity is becoming the norm.

And the 15 became 13. And in some cases today, women in Iran, the whole concept of hijab is that you become a woman at nine years old. And you hear stories about 52-year-old men marrying a nine-year-old, which is some random stories when you hear that. It's not as prevalent or common in Iran.

It isn't, you know, to keep it factual. Yes, it happens, but it happens more. Do you realize what you just said, how weird that is to me to even hear, to even say it's not prevalent, meaning it doesn't happen every day. I totally understand. Oh no, it's terrible. But the fact that like I explained my 10-year-old son, I said, Tico, I want you to think about what is okay in Iran that it happens once in a while.

He said, what's that? I said, how old's your sister? Six. I said, can you imagine your nine-year-old daughter? Let's just say nine-year-old sister, you say, center becomes nine. She's okay to marry a 52-year-old. He's like, what are you talking about that? Yeah, he's a 10-year-old kid. I'm not bad at mobile. The conditions over there are so, but here's a challenge, like, you're almost conditioned to think it's normal. How about to you?

What does Iran mean to you? Because for you, if I, doing the research with your family, I think your parents came here 75, I think they went back, they came back, if I'm not mistaken, I'm trying to get some of the stories. Yeah, they came in 75 to go to university and it was like a lot of Iranians, they came to get a degree

and then they were gonna go back to Iran. But while they were in America, the revolution happened. Again, I think I'm important for you, listen to us to know that we went from a monarchy to a theocracy as well in 1979. So they were in university, the revolution happened. And then it was like, OK, well, let's see what's going to happen after.

And then the Iranian Iraq war started. And then everybody in Iran, all the family was like, you guys should just stay there, especially because then I was born during the Iranian Iraq war. And they were like, especially with a daughter, you guys should just stay in America. And that happened to a lot of families, that the plan was to go back, but they just,

they stayed here. So. Abouj, how about yourself? My best memories of my life was from that country, all the honors that I brought for the country, the flag for the country up. And then when I'm thinking about jail and evin, every second of it I'm thinking about what is happening to these people.

I was seven years poor, happy that after I left evin, I got 49 times again arrested from one hour to one and a half a year. I was four times in front of a assassination line, which Anytime they could make a mistake and like Shoot me right but what I came out when I came out I was like I have one mission in my life then this fire doesn't gonna go down on me until I see these regimes go down. Cause I cannot accept prostitution age

in my country comes to the 12. 12 years old. 12 years old. 12 years old. Officially, they're getting paid, there are videos about it. In mash-hat, they officially, they have office, they're offering 12, there's 13 years, 14 years,

you want it for an hour, you want it for a week. Oh, you're talking about Syria. Yeah, yeah, it's like a temporary marriage So it's like legal and the eyes of Islam in their eyes of Islam legal and the eyes of their as a religious reason say this is More count of heaven for you ladies if you do that with the people that are coming from Iraq and you know, side countries to here, you give them a pleasure, you have more count of heavens because they come from Karbala, because whole like a holy land. Karbala is in Iran. It's a holy site. Got it. Okay. So she said something.

She said, you know, we went from a monarchy to a theocracy. Okay. So again, everybody's heard the stories of Mosadir. We know the stories about Muhammad Reza Shah-e-Pahalavi. Few people know about Reza Khan, his father, how he also was an ex-soul, and then Homan he comes in after being an ex-soul twice, spoon, the next, you know, Shah leaves,

and Iran changes, but there were a lot of people that were for the Shah fallen. There were a lot of people that said that Shah Shah is a bad person. There were a lot of people that said, it's Shah's a bad person. You know, you got sabak, you did this, we should have had Mosadeh, we should have had this person. You know, some say Mosadeh was a CIA plant,

some say the Shah was the puppet of the West. You hear all of these things, right? And even some of the kids, whatever the kids believe in, is whatever their parents told them. For the most part, you part, if your Christians is private because your parents are Christians, if you're Muslim, you're Muslim, if you're an LDS, sometimes you're an LDS. About 80% of the time we follow our parents' religion

and beliefs that they have except if there's a broken family, then typically you don't want to follow one of them because one of them left and you kind of like screwed, I don't want to follow you, whatever it may be, right? There's like an animosity towards a parent. How much of what you know we hear on the monarchy side the criticism it got how much of that criticism was real how much of that criticism in your opinion obviously you know there's only so much context we have on what we're talking about. What is the difference between the criticism it got under

Shah's regime versus the criticism that got under Shah's regime versus a criticism that got under the theocracy we've had the last 43 years? I'll go to first. Well, I wasn't alive then, but from what I know. So I feel like the experiences here are gonna be able to speak to it better. But from, of course, what I've researched

and I've been to Iran many times and family and all that kind of stuff, speaking to my family, the criticism of the Shah was valid, obviously, in the sense that it created enough dissent in his own country that people thought they wanted this revolution. They didn't want what came, some of them did, but after Chomene came in, everyone was like, wait, what?

This is not what you promised us, because as they can attest to, there was, Chomene would send in cassette tapes from his ex-Allen France, and it was these sermons, and he was saying that he was saying the original going viral. It was saying about how he was going to, you know, women were going to be equal, and everything was going to be great, and we're going to go back to this type of a country where it's a little bit more modest, we're going to get the West out, and because people were fed up with a lot of people were fed up with the Shaw Nut everybody, they were for this. And then your sister brought up a good point.

It's really interesting that in 1979 when Khomini came and said, actually, Hedgehog is going to be mandatory. The women were like, whoa, that's not what you promised us. So the same women that were protesting now, somebody I heard said the scholar, Caddie Sadjad Poor said, the same women that protested in 1979 against the head job, their grand daughters now are avenging them, which is really, it's a really interesting parallel. Because they were literally getting beat up in the streets as well. And they all said afterward, we didn't get what we thought we were going to get.

There's actually a great documentary that if your listeners want, if they want to get more familiar with Iran, it came out on HBO a few days ago or last week it's called Hostages, Get Oh Gone, huh? Four-part, four-part mini-documentary series and it shows you how we got into the hostage crisis with the shot leaving in Carter and Chomeney and the aftermath and it's really, really great for people who don't know that much about Iran's history. Fantastic. Yeah Mortisa, what would you say? You know again? criticism pre-shar when Shaw was there, you know the

2500 year anniversary he spent way too much money. Can you pull up put the Iran 2500 year anniversary put this big celebration? It was a big deal. And it created so much criticism amongst people saying, why would you spend this much money? Go actually to the pictures so people can see what it was like. Go to the pictures and show actually what it was like. Man, if you can show a real good one. Okay, yeah, right there.

A lot of people participated and that is well from around the country. That's right. It was a big deal for people to be celebrities, right there. A lot of people participated in that as well from around the country. That's right. It was a big deal for people to be in celebrities, political leaders. You know, so some people saw that and they said, wow, look how strong Iran's becoming. But some people saw that in Iran and people like Khomeini, they said, look how rich the Shah's becoming. He has all the money and your poor and he's taking all the money. What if we can nationalize the oil?

What if we can do this? What if we can do that? What if we can have free rights? What if we can have free this and people actually start a follow-up for this? So mortis are from your perspective. You're living there at that time. The criticism that the Shah got that led to nine million people revolting against him versus reality compared to what happened under Homanie. Give us the difference between the two. As a matter of fact, Patik John, about this, uh,

jashdhado is our consulate. Uh, that year my brother took me to, uh, uh, seven, uh, air force base in Shiraz. And I lived there. I saw that, uh, demonstration. You were there. I was next to the street. We were clapping for the whole thing. Wow. You have no idea what kind of honor It had between all these presidents and kings invited there to see our reach culture We bring it up to the war that look who we are We deserve where we are and we deserve where we want to go. I sort of I agree with the we deserve where we want to go. I sort of agree with the Nazanine when she said if the door was a little bit open, Shah would let people know all those things that they were pretending that they want to bring it, they would then fall for it. They would then fall for it. I was

working from the ninth grade, tenth grade in a bookstore right in front of the Tehran University, it was a GB bookstore that was belongs to Entesharata Frontine. And I was an arduous, I was taking the inventory in and out, and I was behind the black glass window. And I would see like how students come in and looking at the side and that side and passing, for example,

Samad Behrang is booked to each other and they were scared like if someone could see them. Let them see that. There is nothing in it. It's like a kid's book. Why are you making this guy so big that people make it that, oh, so work, this, so work, that it wasn't a big deal. We made it. Sovak wasn't a big deal. It wasn't a big, what Sovak did. Sovak is just to put in context, what Sovak was Iran CIA. That's what. Iran CIA.

At that time, that was trained by the CIA, by the way, in the MIS, that the time. Any country have a security system. That's right. Any country has it, right? For the saving the country, right? What point is they were doing stupid things.

They were doing like a thing that it wasn't a big deal at all. What I say if Shah with let Jose el Mielhom gets open the door for everyone, nobody would vote for this regime. Nobody, everybody knows like what's the origin, what's the inside the regime. They closed it, closed it, people are like, oh, it must be a magic in the then let's go vote Yeah, we'll be signing a moon that all of this you're saying if he would have

Allowed people the freedom to learn and have other other ideologies and thoughts exactly right that he would yeah So he shouldn't be in afraid of two-day party like the communist party that was coming in or any of those guys. And more important than that, Patrick, your leadership comes with a responsibility. Sure. If you're a leader, sometimes you have to say something that maybe 90% don't like it, but six months from now, they adore you for saying it and standing on your position. Sure. Right. When whole thing was starting, my expectation from Sean was as a leader of the country,

that we love what he did for the country. We love what his father did for the country. Put his foot down and doesn't say, let me step out of the country, see what they're going to do. And we paid for it 43 years to become a most dry country, most poorest country. You're saying he shouldn't have left? No, he shouldn't have left. He shouldn't leave. Okay, so let's process that. Let's actually go there.

If he doesn't leave, what happens? You think the people weren't gonna go into the palace and go in there and get them? You don't think that was gonna take place? They couldn't have a story for the cinema or X, they did. They couldn't have a story for the main unit, he'd die shatty where they did. Cause they would find out that what happened.

It wasn't a 17,000 death, it was 173. They made this stories big and big and big and because he was not defending, he was just acting very gentleman, very like a classy person. But doesn't contradict your argument to say that if you would have let the two-day party just come in and present their arguments, you know, on one end, you're saying he should

let them on the other end, you're saying he was, he wasn't paranoid enough. So if he's too paranoid, hey, hey, listen, these two day guys, let's arrest them, put them in jail. On the other side, no, no, no, he wasn't too, you know, paranoid enough, how many have more power than it really did he should have really controlled more so it's like uh... it's almost like a that's a game uh... leadership playing game leadership playing game when poor when push

yeah i don't know about that when that's that's gonna be a tough one for him to play now i don't forget also the americans roll behind the scenes of all this to they were they were afraid of the spread of any type of communism or anything like that. So they had invested interest in Playing the parts in the leadership when you say American leaders who are you referencing anyone a specific? No, the administration when Jimmy Carter towards the end. Yeah got it So got it. Well, I mean, you know, we're in the US right now because of Jimmy Carter There's no Jimmy Carter. We're probably still in Iran right now, depending on.

We're getting pooled from every side. Yeah. Our patient golf is belongs to 90% right is belongs to China. Gas and gold is Russia. Obviously, West and East are pulling it on a part. And it's not in their benefit that's right not supporting people. But also Shah was dealing with his own. Shah was dealing with his own health also. Right? His health was deteriorating towards the end. So it was kind of like the timing

of all of it come together. You were going to say so. No, I was going to, this all reminded me of this documentary. That came in HBO. One of the, one of the hostage. Are you in it? Yes, I was. No. Like, things like that.

Wow. And I'm the director of the ad hoc. And the producer. So I want to give it a plug. I'm not the producer. Absolutely. But he said something really interesting where he said one of the hostages he had, and he had an Iranian wife that was waiting for him back in America.

He said that I'm paraphrasing. He said we were not the losers of the hostage crisis because we were there for four and four days, and it was uncomfortable and it was distressing, and it was a bad experience. But the real losers of all of this, the real people that suffered were the Iranian people because they became an international pariah.

And for the last 42 years, when this was shot, it was 42 years, they've had to suffer under this dictatorship, under this theocracy, which is what leads us to massagena amini. It wasn't just about her. It was just like what happened two years ago with George Floyd. It wasn't just about George Floyd.

It was a bigger issue of people protesting systemic racism and police brutality. So this was the same thing. She was the representative of the match that lit the fight. It was a bigger issue of people protesting systemic racism and police brutality. So this was the same thing. She was the representative of the match that lit the fire. That was a match. Yeah. And that was it. And if you don't mind, Pat.

So I posted a video from my podcast. I got kind of emotional guts where I was just kind of pointing out like the feminists in this country, a lot of them complained when they could literally do anything that they want. And I said, this poor girl, her hat was wrong wrong and I beat her to death in the street, which triggered me to think about more things about where the modern day feminists at here, all the big voices, all those celebrities that jump on anything quick that happens only to Americans

from the Amy Schumer, so listen, Milanos to Michelle Obama. Where are you guys at? Amy did say something. She said something. She said something. She said something. She said something. Just one thing. It was one thing. And I totally agree with that by the way.

We're all, you know, I'm very left. I'm a Democrat. So I'm extremely, extremely disappointed and distressed with the response from what I guess I would say my party, leadership and your way to, and I'm thankful that AOC came out a couple of times. She gave a very detailed breakdown of what happened, but Congresswoman Omar said something the other day that I found very problematic as well, because it was kind of like the New York Times article

where it didn't present the full case. Exactly. So where do you think those people like, where are they at? If it's not about a problem here, if it isn't about abortion, your fellow sisters are literally getting beaten to death by the morality police. Yeah.

Where you at? Where's the march? Where's the uprise? Where's the going into the streets? I think somewhere in Canada, they had a hundred, I'm sorry, 60,000. Like it was amazing. I don't see it here. And it's like, if it's not about one certain subject, I don't think that they really don't

care. Same one thing is one thing, but I think getting out there and getting the streets, I know, Paula, you've been doing, yeah, I know, now you've been doing it too, but I can't. If it's your, if it's your rally cry, so for example, my rally cries capitalism and free enterprise and business and freedom of speech, that's my rally cry.

If the topic comes around that, I'm gonna talk about it. Like when PayPal came out yesterday, over the weekend, they said, hey, PayPal moving forward, they're going to find you $2,500. If anybody puts any kind of misinformation out there, I'm like, what is this guy put on Twitter? That's fake. And that wasn't fake. That was absolutely not fake. No, they just took it.

No, they just reversed it. I got the bunk. That's not. Nope. No, they reversed the role. Yeah, they reversed it. Yeah. Yeah, who came out and and Yahoo said they reversed their position, saying they can't do that.

And by the way, if it was fake, PayPal lost $6 billion today. Wow. Market value. Basically, here's what happens. Like some people like, yeah, but that was a snope. This that never really happened. This is happening where it's concerning certain people.

And people like, wait a minute, this is what's going on. For when you're saying this feminist stuff, there's a lot of women that this is their rally cry. Yes. Your rally cry is feminine. Your rally cry is women. Your rally cry is that when you're campaigning and those are the ones that are quiet that's making people feel, yeah, that's where you are. That's where you are.

That's where you are. That's where you are. Yeah. The question. So, more to say, we've seen this many times though. This isn't like the first time that this is taking place, right? This has been going on for many times. Every time, you know, some like this happens, people are like, Oh, it's not going to happen, you know, it's just another, it's going to last a day, it's going to last a week, it's going to last two weeks, it's going to last three weeks. Eventually, it's going to be this.

What is different with this one than other protests we've had in the past. Here's a different. Never happened that 25 days, morning, tonight, 24 hours, people on their age 30 that they did not even born in the other regime. They born in this regime. Never happened. I don't know if you heard that news or not in Seaston. Eight kids got killed. They got shot from the back.

And 80 people total, and Zahedah. Yeah, I mean they didn't even tell them run or hey, to turn around and they shoot them, they just shot them from the back. These things, we believe when it gets to this point, every one blood brings thousands of bloods up to go fight back. These families they're not gonna stop this time. It's a matter of door die. We can feel it this time.

I mean, in touch with, you're almost every night. Almost every night, we're talking. We can feel the language. You know, when you're always saying, when you look at the eyes, eyes talking. Yeah, of course. I can feel it. When I'm talking to them, I can feel it. This time is different. With the language. You know when you're when you're always saying when you look at the eyes eyes talking, you know, of course, I can't feel it when I'm talking to them. I can feel it. This time is different. What the people for many reasons is different. Many reasons

they have nothing to lose anymore. You're going to be scared of the people. They have nothing to lose. That's a good point. Yeah. And more to Zodhan. They are also, um, uh, banding together to shut down businesses like, uh, from all sectors. There's, uh, oil and gas people that we're protesting today in Abaddon. They're striking and some students are striking. Buzzardies of people. They're closing down their phones.

So I'm reading this book called From Dictatorship to Democracy, I Just Finished. By Jean Sharp, he died four years ago, or something like that, fascinating story. And he breaks down the 187 things you got to do to have a peaceful revolution to go from a dictatorship to a democracy, which is theocracy. In other words, there's pretty much a dictatorship they have over there right now. You don't have a voice, you don't have freedom. Anything can be taken away from me.

It's a very different kind of an environment. But his argument is this has to be a peaceful revolution, peaceful protesting. It can't be violent. It's like the whole story with MLK versus Malcolm X. One wanted to do it peaceful. The other one had to, you know, go more on the violent direction. Do you think the Iranian people can pull this off peacefully? Or are they going to need help for someone to support them to be where it's going to get pretty violent? Pat, did you know when you get to the point that is starting three days ago, they're taking criminal prisoners out and give them a weapon to fight the protesters. To fight the protesters.

To fight the protesters. Who's when they who they... The government. Regime. Regime, open the jail. Right. Criminal jail. People that they killed people.

Now they give them promise of lowering their, know jail time or often for the death or whatever and put them in the street there's also reports of which the regime in Iran has done this before they bring in forces from Lebanon and surrounding countries because some people say that it's it's easier for them to beat and kill Iranians because it's not their hembatons it it's not their people, their country women and men. So that's happening too, because there's photos circulating of their uniforms. And the videos that they're talking about. Yeah, they're saying that you're in my land and you're telling me what I can do

in my own country, get out of my country. And they're speaking, even the police or whatever, they're not even wearing anything, some of them are just in casual clothes. But go back to the question, Apollo, go back to the question to all of you. And you know, violent peaceful protest, is the method of peaceful protesting? Can that prevail long term? You don't think? Okay, so tell me why.

I just feel like, and also for a diaspora, Iranian to be sitting out here, I can never tell people in Iran what to do because I'm not there. No question about. Yeah, so what I'm just saying is, because I've seen people inside of Iran say this in a more eloquent, articulate way, but essentially, if the state is meeting us with repression and violence, that's how we're going to respond back. And that's what you're seeing.

Okay, fine. So how do you do that without weapons? Because over there, it's not second amendment, it's not like America where they believe in second amendment, which by the way, times like this kind of validates, kind of need a gun here and there to protect myself against the government that tries to do this to me. But how do you do that if you don't have access to guns and weapons? And that's a major problem because people thinking army would join them one of these days.

But guess what? The head of the army are selected from the high generals of Sepile pasta and they put him on the top of the army. We heard last week there are five of each group higher ended the rank They got the basically a sesame because they were thinking or talking with each other for something like that Here's the point right now people they're hoping that they get the lower rank this side And if you see stoner rock is against the tea gas andA. gas and bullet. People is who. The people, like we, the people, not the government. Sure, okay.

Police forces come to their side. Hoping that police forces come to their side. Which I believe is one thing that a lot of people say outside of Iran inside, that that's what they need. Absolutely. And by the way, you know what this book said? The book said, when large institutions, unions, organizations turn against the government, that's when they start losing. So it's not just the people, so when you're talking about businesses, or you'll things like that, that's kind of the direction it needs to go to for somebody to be taking place. But you're saying there's, regardless of what happens,

it's going to go through violence, it's not going to be successful as a peaceful protest. Way past it. So let me ask you, was the 79-1 a peaceful protest when they got the shot, or was it violent? It was the 79 one a peaceful protest when they got the shot was it was a violent it was peaceful So maybe peaceful could work because being too violent it was so it worked against the Shah Patik John this regime is Third year then the Shah is the worst regime in the head you don't find any king any dictator Did what they did to the country and to the people. You know it's crazy.

You know, so I was on the show with Fardot, Fardot, so good-looking guy. I don't know if you got it. Oh, for Iran, Internet. For you to have Iran. So he had me on last week and we're talking, and he asked me to weird his question because I didn't video about Iran

like a couple years ago, US Iran, history of conflict. And he said, you know, in your timeline, again, I'm paraphrasing, because he asked it in Farsi, and there was a translator, I speak Farsi, but I don't speak affluent to speak on the channel in Farsi. So he says, you said that when Iran needs help and for whatever reason, Democrats don't help Iran to have a democracy Republicans do. And I said, they're not saying his story says. I'm just saying case study. Yeah. The closest thing to Joe Biden ever is Jimmy Carter.

Yeah. And the closest thing to Jimmy Carter ever is Joe Biden. Did you hear Michelle Obama or opera? No. Say anything. No. No, but this is happening in Iran. But specifically talking Carter Biden. And specifically talking Carter Biden, right?

Because, you know, on the outside, Carter was sold as a what? Carter, everyone who knows Carter says good things about Carter as a person, left, right, middle doesn't matter sold as a what? Carter, everyone who knows Carter, says good things about Carter as a person, left, right, middle doesn't matter, as a human being. Pacifist. Yeah, but when you talk about as a leader, Scott was not a leader, a decision maker, he wasn't. He was just a very good Christian family man,

you know, just the kind of a guy that say, you know, if you're gonna be a lack of man, be like this person, he's a good man, right? But when it comes on to decisions like this, he didn't make the decisions that he needed to make. Kiss and Jure himself, they could have helped that he's a good man, right? But when it comes on to decisions like this, he didn't make the decisions that he needed to make. Kiss and Jure himself, they could have helped that he didn't get involved, right? And then he have Biden, Biden being where he's at right now,

and they have a bunch of other sets of issues that they're dealing with. Focus is more on Ukraine, less on Iran, you know. Ukraine's the main focus right now because of Russia, all that stuff, hey, 50 billion here, 60 billion here. And then Biden agreed to give another $7 billion, I believe last week, where the conversation is taking place. And now everyone's saying, well, the whole thing's going to change when they get back to the JCPOA negotiation to get a new clear, because we have to give them what they want, so this

thing can kind of go away, which is, I don't understand that argument to take the position of, let's give them what they want, so the regime's going to be happier and calmer, right? What are your thoughts when you're hearing this of US not being as involved to help the people where maybe in other times they got a little bit more help than they're getting right now? You're talking about Iran, right? Yeah, I'm talking about like because you know for them to do what they want to do they're going to need some sort of a help outside of the people are not the government. So there's a big difference.

Like for example, if we're talking, if we're talking Armenia against Azerbaijan, okay. The Armenian people and the government, the Armenian people are not revolting against him. They're on the same page. They need help. Here's money. Ukraine is like, dude, we're on the same page.

We need help. They're attacking us, right? But Iranian people their government is hurting them. So a regime has to come in and help the people out and it's not happening Why is Iran not helping out? over $3 trillion after brought Homeini to Iran. It's not in there. You say they sold? They sold $3 trillion of arm in last 43 years to the Middle Eastern area. Because of the making one country scary.

Hey, you got to buy this against them. Hey, you got to buy this weapon against. That's what is happening. I mean, with Homeini come to Iran, seven war happened. 48 million refugees, one and a half million killed. Over 3 million disabled. This is a gift of one mistake.

The United States foreign policy should change, must change. Enough already making Al-Qaeda support, Al-Q the given so much money and then they give against them. Enough making Boko Haram or whatever, all those I see and all of them and then later on churned against to become a terrorist of the area. If you're going back and you see what these things happening is a mistake of foreign policy of the United States. But there are a lot of Iranians, sorry, Kayao. No, no, no, no, no. There are a lot of Iranians that also I hear from that don't want foreign intervention.

Because a lot of people do see the reason where you even hear is because of foreign intervention partially. So there is that argument too, that it has to come from within. How it's gonna come from within? I also don't have the answer for that. But there's a difference because, and here's how I see the foreign intervention. The difference between, there's another documentary

that why the revolution of Iran happened, talking about what they did to the Shah because Shah was becoming too powerful. For example, if you're living in a society where the people at the top are abusing people, okay, say you and I are here, we go to a restaurant, okay. We see a guy that's hitting a girl, slap her in the face.

What are you gonna tell me to do? I'm gonna go intervene. That's right, so it's, but should me to do? I'm gonna go intervene. That's right. But should we intervene? I would. But should we? Yes. So we should.

Yes. You just said. Yes, but that's different. But wait a minute. That's different. But no, it's not. It's not difference because in this situation, 12-year-olds are getting killed.

Yeah. Okay, so it's not like with the Shah, Shah was killing 12-year-olds. It's not like the Shah was forcing 52-year-olds to marry a nine year, it's a very different perspective. So, but let me wrap this point up. So for me, you know, in a situation like this, these are two different situations.

If my sister's married to her husband, they're having a fight, it's not my business. I'm not intervening, zero. If my wife and I are having a fight, my dad lives with my, that's biggest reason why he didn't want to live with us. For 10 years I've been trying to get'm not intervening. Zero. If my wife and I are having a fight, my dad lives with my, my dad's biggest reason why he didn't want to live with us for 10 years I've been trying to get the guy to live with us. You know what's his number one reason?

I don't want to come in between your wife. Never. Like if we fight, guess what my dad does. Goes upstairs. He goes to his room. He says it's your business. Yeah. Okay, he goes at your business, no problem.

But I tell you, if I even, it's never happened, it's not it. But if I did something, he's the first one that's going to come in and say But I tell you, if I even, it's never happened. It's not it, but if I did something, he's the first one that's gonna come in and say, I'm intervening. So I think, you know, as much as you say, some Iranians are saying that, I understand it's like the diplomatic, politically correct thing to say for some, not saying all of them,

some of them wanna say something like that. This is a very different situation they're currently in right now. Well, I'm not talking about diaspora Iranians saying this. I'm talking about Iranians inside everyone. But my question to you was, if you are saying they need intervention, so how do you propose that to happen? What can even happen?

How can you get any? I think we got to, the United States has to be the number one to step up, they got to put sanction. I know we always do sanctions on Russian everybody. We got to get hands on, because like you said, if it's going to be rocks against bullets, they're not going not gonna. I love them the death and I'm with them 100% you're not gonna win that battle And I don't know here's my question you guys why aren't we getting as involved with not like who like Ukraine and all this why are we trying to Negotiate the Jason. That's what I was gonna. Yeah, that's I mean, that's my that's how what I would think is happening

So do you answer that you guys have an answer because I have a rebuttal here? Okay, so let me give my feedback to you on how to help on something like that. And I know it's not gonna be a popular one for you because we're really politically, but I'll give it to you. So, you know, sometimes, polet, for instance, I was the annoying younger brother,

super protective, okay. I'm exactly who instance, I was the annoying younger brother. Super protective, okay? I'm exactly who you think I was. So when my sister would date guys, you know, it was just a bad situation. She did not want me around, right? Because my parents got a divorce unnaturally from 10 years old when they got a divorce, I was the brother.

I have to play that role naturally, no problem. So when when you have somebody annoying like that in your life, you don't want them around too much. Because it's like, man, let me just live my life and just don't bother me, right? Until all of a sudden, something happens with there's really a need. Then you say, you know what? This is a situation where I wish that brother of mine that was like that would be here to protect me against XYZ. Is that 90% of the time? No, it's 10% of the time.

When Trump was president, okay, he put sanctions on top of sanctions, on top of sanctions, on top of sanctions, on top of sanctions, to the point where Iran was about to go through the revolution. It was very close. We were about to go through the revolution. And he says, no, we support the Iranian people. No, we support the Iranian people. He pulled out of the $150 billion with Kerry and Obama. He said, no, we're not going to be doing this. Pull that, pull that, pull that. We're not going to be doing this. We're not going to be doing this. We're not going to be doing this. And then the moment the regime changes, no, this is back on the table. Let's talk about it. We're removing this. We're removing that. And then they start getting free. I wasn't

monocle one time. And we're having, can't even mention the person's name, but the person is involved in the economy of the 21 countries that they're dealing with the economy and all the services. Listen, the moment sanctions were given, we had to call every bank in the Middle East to say, you can't do any business with people in Iran. He says it was legit when that took place. Like when you're saying, business is shutting down, oil shutting down, you got to bring the pain to the government, right? Unfortunately, the current regime can do

that, but they're not doing that. And they're playing negotiation. There's a famous guy back in the day, he says, then he was Ronald. He says, you don't negotiate with terrorists. We've been negotiating with terrorists for too long. And I don't think you should negotiate with terrorists. A lot of people agree with you. And there's messages that we get from inside of Iran

that say, we know things are bad. And yeah, the economy sucks. But we want you guys to put pressure on your politicians to not renegotiate this deal. We will suffer a little longer and they say a lot of people are trying to not be, we don't want to help. We just want your poor. It's not even a dollar of it come to Iran.

Right. Exactly. That goes directly from the account to the terrorist outside the countries. And the funny thing is none of those countries set one one thing about what is happening in Iran Neither Syria or Philistines Palestinian or none of them. That's awesome What does a who who in that area besides us because it's always us where the world's police But like you said there's you know conflict of interest right now who else can step in and and help

I mean if there's you know who is it always gonna be just us, nobody else is trying, like you just said. When you say us to America? America, normally we help with everything. Where our hand is everywhere, 160 whatever countries, we have bases everywhere. Nobody else, nobody has a base here. We're spread out, who else in that area could try to help? Like, nobody's stepping up.

They didn't leave any friends at all. They just supported all the terrorist groups in each country. The government of every single country around us are the enemy of us. Yeah. I mean, think about it two times, the trucks, 18 trucks of gold and dollars

that were going illegally to Turkish to come out and go to any of the private banks. Turkish got it. Nobody said this is ours. It was few hundred billion dollars with the golds and dollars. They're like fantastic. We have a budget for a few years of our country. Nobody claimed it.

This is crazy that like how many trillions of dollars they stole out of that country and still that country is standing. Imagine what a rich country it was. Well, an analyst also had speculated to me that, you know, other countries in the region aren't going to come out strongly in support of the Iranian people in their fight for freedom because then they'll get worried that, oh, this could happen in our country too. It's about going on in the world. It's about going on in the world.

Yeah, they're going to want a revolution in Israel. So, okay, so let's just say the revolution does happen. Okay, let's just say this is a different one and it's going to actually take place. Kind of. Okay, who's running the place? What's the form of the government? Who steps up? You know, who are some names?

You know, for the longest time, you know, many of the Iranians who love the Shah, they're like, you know, his son is going to go back and Farah and Reza Palavi and they're going to go back and, you know, that's what's going to happen. You're hearing a news, you know, soccer player, legendary soccer player Ali, Academy, you know, going around saying what he's saying because typically, when you do have a revolution, a British diplomat wrote a book like 20 or 15 years ago called leaderless revolution. Who's the leader today? It's leaderless revolution, right? It's like the prime example of there's a revolution taking place without leader. What's going to happen if this revolution does take place? This is the biggest characteristics

that this event has it right now. It's literally that is an event going on 25 days in a country with no exact or no person as a leading get. And here's a problem with in my opinion, from the outside the country leaders or even inside the country. Yeah. Imagine a one row, one way line bridge, and you're parking at the middle of it, you're not backing up the people go, and you're not going forward the people who do some of our leaders are standing at the middle of the bridge, and they're not letting people,

one day they are king, one day they are not king, one day they wanna become leader, one day they don't want, one day they're resident, they're announced that I'm just a resident, this thing is not what we can't count on the people that they're on outside the country. I believe the next future leader of the country will be a possible deal, a deal from the streets of terror. You think so? Look at what the

girls are doing. That's amazing. Look at what the teenagers got there leading the charge right now. I would be a fast home. That'd be great. Singing in the street. Yeah. I mean, but you know how when there's a crisis, leaders rise up and you kind of identify certain names like, hey, look at what happened here. Boom. Who's this person? Never knew this person overnight. We know the person. Are there some names that are being, you know, identified who are getting their voices to get louder and louder? I haven't heard any. And also it's I would say even if I had, it's dangerous to say it because you're just giving something away.

Oh, well, we're going to have this person. I understand that. No, but what you say when you said alicademy, I think people have joke and have think, well, he'd be great if you could come back and do that. No, but I have also heard people say, this is not anything formal. This is just like, oh, this would be cool if this happened.

But there's a human rights lawyer that famously has never left the country and they jail her all the time for defending human rights, Nassadin, Soutudeh, and you said a female. People have been like, well, she'd be great if she could lead the country. If Iran, out of all the countries,

is ready to have a woman as a president? Well, not in the current government. No, no, no, of course. I'm saying once the revolution happens, you think it's capable to do that and if you do When Chomene came in he killed 2,000 of Shah's generals and military leaders What do you do if you do take over? Ezbal others are still there morality police people are still there. What do you do them jail them?

Like a hundred thousand people gonna go to jail. I mean that's a Because those if they're still out there, they're gonna do what their job is to do are they gonna escape and go to you know i've got what where are they gonna go to what do you do with those folks will be imperial army when shot left a lot of them just switched over they're like okay well i guess you're not allowed no no no he killed a lot of me kill like a couple thousand of them a lot of them is called top ones yeah he they got top ones yeah well yeah i mean those are the main ones you got to figure out because you you need your

lieutenants you need your generals, but what happens with that? What do you do with that? Do you? What happens with the Hezbollah's what happens with these you know these people you know history shows during the Mossad time and Even a couple of times after that, these people, they have a fantastic talent over the night changing phase. We saw that 11, 40 AM people were in the street, death to Shah, the one who sat there,

the 20, two months past between the people saying people say the opposite things 20 minutes later when that happened. What do you mean by that? So you're saying that you can change their minds? Is what you're saying? Many people look at our celebrities. Look at our celebrities in past months. I have a foresee page past as soon as I came out of the country on Facebook. I contact many celebrities that about this matter, you want to say something? About this matter, you want to say something? Nothing, nothing. Now, last 15, 20 days, they feel like, oh, it looks like this is serious, they start saying

something. And some of them still they're not clear in their position. They're just saying something between this pay and that way that I don't I don't say that taking a side. It's not a time to say I'm personally sure I'm Tajik. I'm the you know soccer team's which side. It's a matter right now You have shut off or your b-shadaf. That's it That's it and they threatened shut off b-shadaf. Can you explain what no? I can't Having having she's having shame. Yeah, so if you are b-shadaf you have no shame. Yeah, no shame shame or you don't say

And the artists do get threatened, and their families get threatened. And I know they've taken people's passports away, so they can't leave the country. So yes, it would be, and a lot of them have spoken out, and then they get threatened. And so it's like they try to do it, and they can't go past a certain point

because of what's being told that will happen to them and their families. So yeah. You know what I mean? Chervin Hojipur just made a song with everybody's tweets. I don't know if you heard that. And so they caught him. They captured him.

And then his video came out, I guess yesterday. And in his video, he just wanted to let everyone know that I'm OK. Nothing's happened. It was a miscommunity misunderstanding that they thought, perhaps I'm with the other governments outside of Iran. But you know, it's not. And instead of giving me money, a lot of Iranians are supporting my music and you're sending me money. Send a fan of funds to Mahak. Yeah. Mahak. And at the end, I'm okay.

I'm not taking any podcasts. I'm not at this point at all. And you could see that it's scripted. So the way. Any government lobby. Same thing that happened in China with Jack Mao. And Jack Mao went disappeared for three months. Yeah.

So when you add, in by the way, the song, Riven, first time by the way, the first time I heard it, I'm like, Oh my God, I had to kiss, listen to it. It's unbelievable. But go ahead, you were saying. So when you're thinking, when you're saying, how come we're not helping Iran, right? Think about Iran, Russia, China, right? They're all working together. So if you have one country that has mess, then what happens? It's all power play. Who we can help and who we can't play help.

And by the way, if America wants to help Iran, who's gonna get the money? The government? That's not gonna help the people. Yeah, exactly. That's not gonna help. So who's the person? There is no person.

So it's just a movement. And you can't just give money to movement. And these take time to. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, so maybe something will emerge in the coming weeks and months. Need to. Because it's not letting down. And like we said, when you have schoolgirls that are this defiant in the face of authority

and they don't care and they're out in the streets getting murdered and beaten and going in the faces of police and any authority figure taking off their headjumps, you know, that this is like, there's no turning back from this. And like Morton's said, they feel like there's nothing to lose. We literally live under the worst depression,

so what worst could happen? Yep. So one of their chances is that until our last blood we're not giving up on this movement. That's there, like I don't say it, exactly how they say it, forci. They have nothing to lose. Yeah.

That's where they are. No wedding. You can't find anybody does what they did to our country in 43 years in a history of human being. You can't find it. I was with you on Irvine. You guys were doing protesting. You were in LA the day before.

How big are these protests getting in LA in Irvine? It's getting bigger and bigger. Bigger and bigger. Yesterday, Sunday, we had the event at Mishin Viejo. It's a little city. Somewhere around 3, 4,000 people were there. In Mishin Viejo. Yeah, in Mishin Viejo.

Our event in LA was a little over 20,000. Because I was helping my family. And then that afternoon, our event in LA was a little over 20,000 because I was I was helping and then did that after No, we drove to the L.A. Yeah, we were started downtown at City Hall and Marched and it was I mean you can see there's aerial shots and 151 cities participated in this town. I should point out it was started by Humid Esmalion who lost his daughter and this. I should point out it was started by Hamid Esmailion who lost his daughter and wife in the flight 752, which was shot down by the IRGC. And he started this movement. And it's because of him that we had the global day of action for Iran and 151 cities. I mean,

that's a lot of global support. You know, I hope this is the one area where, you know, everybody, it doesn't matter which side you're on politically, everybody in the United States, say, look man, I don't care which one you voted for or not. If there's one thing we agree on, I'd like to see democracy get back into Iran where we can be free and go back and visit a place like this. It seems like if there's one thing, hopefully, people can stay unified on. It seems like so far it's looking good to do something with this. We're going to see what's going to happen. By the way, just out of curiosity, this is a topic that comes up all the time. I've spent time with Reza Palavie a couple of times, the sun. In DC, we've had a meeting together.

We sat down, we talked about his father, we did a zoom a couple years ago, and we've spoken. You should have a money, you should have a money, you should have a monon. He's out there, very eloquent, eloquent great speaker does very good job. But the audience is 50-50. If you look at a social media, it gets a lot of people. It gets a lot of commentary. He gets a lot of people that still follow him, you know, a very loyal to his messaging. But what is the perspective of Rizup Alabis, you know, his son, RP, how do the Persian Iranian people view him? Anyone of you guys can take this one if you're...

Well, I live in LA. So LA leans toward more monarchists, but there's also a lot of people like me who aren't aligned or affiliated with any group ideology or person, we just want freedom for Iran. And I know some of the people in his camp have said, look, he just would like to be a part of the democracy and in an election.

And if they vote for him great, and if they don't, it'll be somebody else. So there's kind of different camps. And there is definitely split support. That's what I've seen. All right, I'll go ahead. Yeah, I agree. When last couple of times he cleared his vision about, you know what, I want to be a citizen.

And if people wanted me to run the country, no problem. Then you guys selected, right? This made so much clarity for people that are thinking like, only king, only Gaza, only King, only Reza, only Reza Shah is coming. This way, now people know that we talk about absolute democracy, absolute democracy. When regime change, everybody vote on what they want to do. I don't know. You guys are being very diplomatic. I think it's more 50-50 because I don't know if the younger people feel he can relate to their pain Because his lived in America and and you know, I think the generation that knows his father more they're probably saying

Oh, we would like that back, but the younger generation. I don't know I'm not 100% I would agree with that as well You don't know if the younger generation which is very valid on why that would be the case. Well, listen to their chance, too. The younger generation is just saying, Zanth and Nighiazadi, freedom, dust of the dictator, dust and regime, don't be scared we're all together. So that I just feel like if we listen to their chance, we can hear what they want.

Freedom, secularism, secular democracy, but there's not one person's name. Some people say it in Iran, but the majority are not saying one person's name. It's kind of like, for example, we moved to Florida, right? And I was talking to a conversation with Sian, and we talk about California, how we miss California, but we miss California post-COVID. Because that's the California we know. California is different for us now, because we're so used to Florida. Are you kidding me? And I feel like, for example, the older generation remembers how Iran was with Shah and

Pahlavi, all of that, and they're hoping that comes back. But is there a connection with the youth? Is he making, is RP making connection with the youth? Or whenever there is uprights, that's when he shows up? That's the whole question. Got it. So, you know, some view as an opportunist, hey, come out here, say a few things, some say, no, we want him here because we'd like to go back and see what Iran wants used to be. The chance of Iran going back to a monarchy is slim to none. It's not going to be a monarchy. The only thing that's going to happen is, again, my opinion, I'm just talking from my perspective

here on what I'm saying. Democracy is the only, in order for him to take it back to monarchy, I feel you can't be disconnected for 43, that's a long time to happen again. I feel you can't be disconnected for 43. That's a long time for it to happen again. So again, no one knows. You'll see what'll happen. If it comes onto the election, that's who they want. It is what it is.

If it doesn't, it won't happen. I think John, people experienced 1400 years ago Islam. But that's enough for them. They don't want to go experience 250 years ago, myarchy again. It's time for them. They don't want to go experience 20, 50 years ago, myarchy. Yeah. Again, it's time for democracy. I'm afraid I'm for you. But what does democracy look like? What is it? How do you live here? No, I understand, but think about 44 years of oppression. How do you gradually do that? Right. How? How long does it take? And How long does it take? How long does it take?

Because it's not going to happen overnight. Of course, of course, it is not. Of course, it's not going to happen overnight. It's going to take a while. But it is possible because it's different type of movement this time than the green movement. And green movement, I feel like I actually was in Iran when that happened. I got to Iran two days before the election with Ahmadinejad and Musavi. And it was when we landed, we were out of the airport in Tehran at 2 a.m. and we're driving through the streets

and everybody's out dancing. There's green everywhere because that was the color of the movement. Music and I was like so shocked. I asked my family, I was like, this is happening here, this is legal right now, and they're like, well, yeah, it's before the election, so they want everybody to feel this energy,

and everybody really felt energized, and then we all saw what happened. It was a rigged election, obviously, and it's one to have many, but those, and I was there for the couple of weeks after, so I saw what happened, but it did kind of get quashed pretty quickly. This one has sustained, and it's showing no signs of slowing down,

especially because we're talking about different sectors of businesses now joining together to protest. So that's one big difference. Another one is like how young the people are that are engaged and moving this forward to like teenagers we're saying, you know? I just haven't seen it be this sustained because we've had protests happen, but all bond happened, that was the bloody November in 2019

with 1,500 people that we know have worked killed. And then that, because the internet got throttled and cut off and the world wasn't paying the attention is now, that also got quelled really easily. And this one is not, this one's growing more. Let me ask you, you guys remember, you know, what's that one song? Let me ask you, you guys remember, what's that one song?

We are the world, you know, the whole USA for Africa, US for Africa, the song. If somebody does wanna do an event like that to raise money, who does the money go to? Who do you trust to send the money to? Are there any organizations that you can support? Are there ones that people trust that is actually gonna make make it in there you know sometimes the biggest criticism is when the money never makes it to the real people the ones in the middle keep most of the money so be careful you give your money to yeah the center of human rights in Iran that's all sort of as an issue if we're sending that money where who's going to get it does it go directly to them or is the government involved there's a couple that came out I wish I had my phone with me but I can find the link but there are a lot of people that's going to get it? Does it go directly to them or is the government involved? There's a couple that came out, I wish I had my phone with me, but I can find the link. But there are a couple like Iran Human Rights, Center for Human Rights, and they use the

money to, I believe what it says is to actually just help promote some freedoms and democracy for Iran, and they work on, like, I don't want to mispeak for them. But they use it, it's not going, you can't just send money to Iran anyway. And there's certain ways that you can get money to charity organizations and stuff. There's also an amnesty international petition that's going around, I know one of the human rights attorneys

that's a part of the effort that people are trying to get signed so that it puts pressure on the UN and the international community to create an international mechanism to investigate crimes against humanity from these officials and to go after their assets and other countries, especially where their kids live. So they're trying to get them to not be able to travel, to have, you know, them and their kids not be able to have property freeze their money, and that's one way to get to them and try them for crimes.

This is one way to get to them and try them for crimes. This is one way to get to who? To the officials of Iran who are in charge of giving these orders. It's basically a way to sanction them, to freeze their assets, to allow them not to travel freely to like US, Canada, Europe. Yeah, okay. Pula, did you guys know one or no? Like where the money goes to because sometimes like,

like right now, for example, I'm having a, was that again? They should say it somewhere on there. That's the one of Iran. Yeah, that's it We got some people but they cannot accept big money Mm-hmm. They're gonna get endangered of course. So we Passed three weeks. We got some channels that be sent little by little 5,000 10,000 5,000 That's not and yeah, and mostly goes for the doctors and, you know, people that they are giving help, they are spending for the medical stuff for the people that get shot and so on, so on, so on.

They're underground. What do you guys think about Christiana, Christiana, Aman Poo, what do you guys think about her, with CNN? She doesn't, has she even said anything about this? Yeah, what do you think about her in general? Has she talked about this? Well, you know,, the whole thing she was supposed to do an interview with Raezi and then, you know, he said, you have to wear the hijab and she said, I've done interviews for the last God knows how many years, 20 some years, 30 years,

I've never worn the hijabs. I'm not showing up to the interview. If you don't wear the hijab and she does and there's a picture of her, if you want to put it up with her, not wearing the hijab with an empty and there's a picture of her if you want to put it up with her not wearing the hijab with an empty chair. It's the empty chair picture. I don't know if you have that or not. Top and empty chair. Yeah, that is fun.

R-A. That's right there. There you go. That's the picture right there and he doesn't show up. But then she does this. Then a couple days later she tweets and says, you know, retweets the article about New York Times and I think she pints it to the top, then she unpinned it about the fact that the issue is taking place in Iran is economy.

It's not really, you know, what's going on with women and hijab and all this. That's more of an economical issue that's going on. Why is it? So here's, by the way, I don't know if you guys know or not. It's well, for some of you guys that just joined us, we have somebody on the panel right now that minor to media criticism. If you guys are familiar with that, there's a minor called media criticism. And we're going to go to see if she can criticize some of the media or not. So for the expert on a panel that's a media criticism minor.

Why do you think? Why is it CNN, New York Times? Why is it that some of these stories, like you're just tell the story on what's going on rather than playing politics with some of this stuff? What is their biggest hesitation to say? Russia, Putin is Hitler, but in Iran, nah, it's not really as bad. It's really only economical, but Putin is Hitler. Second coming of Hitler is going to to be why do they why do they

turn people like him into such you know uh... you know the terrible leader you crank heroes but iran is more economical situation that's gone what do you think they're doing a white-play politics um... i can't speak to putin but um... cnn has stepped up their coverage in the last week, I've seen Jake Tapper covers it almost nightly, and they are showing the

videos. They were one of the first people that I think that showed what was happening at Shady University and the violence that was and the crackdown that was happening on the students. So I will say they have stepped up. Christiana Mampur just interviewed she didn't have a D who was the first female in the Middle East to win a Nobel Peace Prize and did a, you know, her basic ending message was she asked Ms. Ebbody, what do you think should happen? She said, yeah, it has to be a regime change. So they're saying it and they're showing it now. Other networks need to follow suit. I didn't find,

I know some people found this problematic. I felt like she was making a statement. On this? Yeah. No, I love that. She did this. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no whole concept of it, if you don't wear a hijab, is like a woman walking around naked. That's the, that's what Chumaini said in 79 that a woman not wearing a hijab is the same as a woman walking around naked. I mean, and for some people to say, well, that's, that's the norm here. We believe that. But I like to, I like to stand she took with this one. And this was right, right in the thick of, I think it was just a few days

after Masajina died. And so she was like, so she was like, and they're on American soil. So it's different. If she was in Iran, I'm sure she would have put it on. Oh, she said that. Yeah, yeah. She said that. She's like, I'm not doing it in America. Not in American soil, but you're in our country. Why am I supposed to wear the lozah here on my side? Patigian, I have nothing against Christian Amapur. She was born in R street, who were like neighbor.

But generally, and originally, if you ask majority of the Persian people, they see the origin of the shea branch of Islam, just created by the UK. There's history on it exactly how they send it, how they designed it, how those majorly showed up, I had to lie above and above and they just trained to speak for it. Everybody knows about the role that UK played behind the shear. So Persian people originally don't have a good opinion

about the CNN, especially what happened in the first 79. You think that? Yeah. Most Persian to me are Democrats. Most Persians are CNN driven. That's pretty split these days. I think it's 60 40s for my feeling. I mean, when I was in LA, have you seen the last week's protest right in front of the CNN building in sunset? What do I do? I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I in the state. But why do they, though? Why do Iranians lean liberal in the states? What's the... I don't know. I don't know.

But is it... Does that have anything to do with Iran or is it more to do just pure... I lean... Not lean, I am. Because of domestic policies in the United States. So I believe in... I'm pro-choice. I'm LGBTQ rights.

I'm Black Lives Matter. So that's me. Internationally, with Iran, I think the Democrats have screwed up the response. Not everybody is unified in what they're saying against Iran. So I'm disappointed in that. But yeah, I mean, most of us are Democrats, of course, because of we live in America. So that's what we want for this country. When it comes to Iran, I can see why there are...

I have... I know people that socially are liberal in the US, but they have voted Republican because of the Republican's harder stance toward Iran. Did you hear about what happened with Black Lives Matter? Just in the last couple weeks. With the owner. The funds? Yeah.

I did hear some stories. What do you think about that? Which one of yours being the most specific? I just wanna make sure it's like my job. I can give you all of that. So one, the founder got indicted to Kanye coming out talking about white lives matter. Kanye, I just can't with him right now. Three, three, uh, Osborne.

What's it? Share an Osborne. I'm sure. 900, 900,000 interview and her and she says, look, I wish Kanye would have told me black lives matter was a scam. We give him 900,000 hours. You know, so, so what happens here is the following. You're an educated person.

You went to a great university. You speak eloquently. You're somebody that's, you know, and a lot of us, you know, in, you know, you're hearing like, okay, Black Lives Matter, basic concept, of course it matters. White Lives Matter, of course it matters. All Lives Matter, of course it matters. But lives matter, of course it matters, all lives matter, of course it matters. But that wasn't the point of black lives matter.

No, no, the same, but I'm curious. I'm also not talking about an organization right now. I'm talking about a movement. Well, the movement, but the leaders behind the movement, we get the organization has just been corrupt and they're not helping any black lives in the community. They're just taking all the money and spending it on themselves.

Candace Owens just did a the money and spending it on themselves. Candace Owens just did a thing where they raised $80 million. What is it helping? What are they helping in the community? Here's the biggest part. Here's the biggest part. Here's the biggest part where credibility is lost.

My opinion, break this apart when I give this to you. Okay. What is the job of MSNBC or CNN or Fox or CBS or these guys that are Investigative journalists, right? How long does it take to find out it's a shit show within a Organization it's your job to do that But if you don't do that blindly you just go out there and say yeah, here's what it is here's what and then this happens You know what happens you lose credibility?

people don't trust the media when you say stuff. And CNN's rating is in such shambles right now that they had to fire the guy, fire a bunch of their hosts. They don't know what the hell to do. Brian Williams, that was maybe their best guy that they had. He decided to step away. He cannot even believe what's going on. I was a coma guy.

I thought coma was doing a decent job. Take his brother out and any of the me too. I don't have the credibility behind some of the me too woman with him. Take that. I'm not talking about that. I thought he was okay, but you realize what they did was so, so bad that they had to dramatically change it

because educated people who went to school followed their truth. And then now it's like, well, we never, you know, the Russia was the hoax and let's not talk about it because of Durham. You know, we know that was the hoax and it was funded by Hillary. Let's not talk about it. Hunter's laptop.

Yeah, let's talk about Hunter's laptop. Let's talk about it two days afterwards. Election, no, no, no, let's not talk. There is no investment. So credibility is gone because they never talk. What do you mean they did bad stuff? You said they did so many bad, what did you, what are you referring to?

What's the end? You said CNN did so many bad things. Everything I just listed to you. Well, I mean, if we're gonna talk about networks, Fox News does the same thing. It's just on the other side. So, but then here's what I would say to you. Here's what I would say to you.

Say you're right. Let's say you're right. Yeah. Would you say you're right about CNN to or no about that they've engaged in what I Misinformation bias you just hit him reporting the news. They're holding back news. You help So so so I'm sure there's a bias because they're left leaning no, it's not about bias. So here's the thing So how do you judge a a I don't know, how do you judge a company that's going through proums? How do you judge a company that's going through proums?

How do you judge a bad restaurant? Food, food and service. What else? I would just put it in the bag. If I say guys, let's go to this restaurant. Yeah. And lunchtime's go to this restaurant. Yeah. And lunchtime, we go to this restaurant. What's the first way to judge a 12 o'clock

that this restaurant may have a problem? If it's packed or an empty? If it's packed and people say it sucks, do you believe it? No. I mean, I have to question one more time. If the restaurant is packed, but people say it sucks, do you believe it? No.

If they say it's awesome I understand why you would know I mean, I've been to a restaurant. They got radio reviews in the day I'm good food if a restaurant is typically bad. It's empty. Yeah, if a restaurant is good It's full unless the ambiance is great. No, I don't know about that So CNN is CNN is the restaurant that's empty and Fox is full right now Unfortunately for some people we have ratings numbers to look at. Oh my god. And you tie the new color.

Let's talk about it. Tucker Carlson is the most watched on television. It's a lot of ratings. Well, that's sad. And I don't want you to talk about it. It's sad. Don't just pull up Tucker. Just pull up rating for all.

We've been house helping you run. But you just said you brought up Black Lives Matter. I don't bring it up. You said Black Lives Matter. You brought up CNN. I never once at Black Lives Matter. You said Black Lives Matter. I don't bring it up. You said black lives matter I never won't see an end. I never once said black lives matter. You said black lives You brought up CNN so from black lives. No, I said no, no, you asked why why are you no? No, no, man, you asked you said can we see ratings? We're just dealing with you. No, you said why finish war and show some ratings You said why do Iranians vote Democrat and said because of social issues in the United States?

And then I listed a few and you harped on Black Lives Matter. I said LGBTQ rights, I said pro-choice. I get that. You chose Black Lives Matter. Sure. And then we got to CNN somehow and now we're looking at Tucker Carlson's ugly face. Because because again, that's the problem. What you see what you just said, right, is I think the issue.

I think the issue is, like for example, Stephen A. Smith, I don't know if you know who he is or not. Yes, Stephen A., I don't know if you know who he is. Yeah, he's like the Stephen A Smith is like the Tucker of Fox or the matter of MSNBC or the morning Joe or I've seen this. We know who you know what he just did. Let me tell you what he just did, which I think we need more of this. So he just launches a podcast. Do you know his first guess? No.

Chris Cuomo. Do you know his first guess? No. Chris Cuomo. Do you know his second guest? Tucker Carlson. Well that's just ratings. By the way, no, but let me take what happened. He's on what's the guy's name? Jesse Waters. With some people love Jesse Waters. I'm hate Jesse Waters, right? He was a guy that was part of Jesse Waters. Jesse Waters was part of Bill O'Reilly's guy that he would go. He man on the street. It was Jesse Waters. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. So anyways, so he does first podcast, Chris Cuomo, second podcast he does with Sean Hannity.

He's on Jesse Waters promoting his podcast two days ago. Jesse says, am I your favorite host at Fox? Stephen, he's making things that, nah, nah, I got it. I'm with Sean Hannity. Sean Hannity is my favorite host at Fox. I was like, what's the difference? I'm like, what's the difference? I'm like, what's the difference? I'm like, what's the difference? I'm like, what's the difference? I'm like, what's the difference? I'm like, what's the difference?

I'm like, what's the difference? I'm like, what's the difference? I'm like, what's the difference? I'm like, what's the difference? I'm like, what's the difference? I'm like, what's the difference? I'm like a guy's asked me a question about this morning guys asked me a question about uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh amazing which speed at at the DNC in 2004 what it was so Perfect that they did chase studies about it wrote books about it because he says I don't care if you're from Texas You're white. You're black. You're Hispanic. You're this you're that. This is United States

Let's figure out a way to make it work together, right? We how are Lebron and Oprah not unifying? They're not they're there. No way you think Lebron's a unifier in America You know way how are they NBA you you have to be and open not unifying. They're not there. There's no way you think Lebronza, you're an American? No way. How are they? In the NBA, you have to be a Democrat to be in the NBA. Of course.

The NBA, you know, name me a one open Republican in the NBA. Go ahead. I'll wait. I'm not. Because there is no follow the back post. No, but there's not.

But you know how does a baseball? No one gives a shit. Nobody cares. Like no one gives a shit nobody cares like no one gives a shit The best players in baseball like dude. Let's just play the game. Mm-hmm. Let's just talk you know Nobody's making basketball political She's asking for ratings you're taking your time three times What is it happy to be with Iran can you tell me this time honestly? You're taking your time. Three times. Okay. I just don't have this. This is helping you, Ron. What is this? Have you done with Iran?

Can you tell me this time? Honestly, I'm not in LeBron James. I'm in LeBron James. Show me the stats first. Okay, I like LeBron James, so I do. Show me the stats. Show me the stats if you have it for ratings for everybody. It's not like this one.

The one that shows everyone. Well, CNN is also, I feel like in flux. They fired a bunch of people and they're trying to figure out their vibe. They're like, are we gonna go? But it was like that a year ago. Are we going to go left, right? Center. They're going to be super central now. By the way, but do you know why CNN was like, I'm not defending CNN. I understand it. What I'm saying to you is what made CNN so powerful.

It's a guy named Ted Turner started it. Yeah. And you know how we finished it in his book? The last chapter of his book, everybody has to read. He's the one guy I do want to interview, but unfortunately he's not in good health conditions. We're in communication with his camp. He, we'd love to interview him. He's in a different place.

When his book ends, what it talks about is how disappointed he is in the current product, because it's only one side it. You don't hear both sides of the story. So is Fox News. I understand you're saying so is Fox News, but Fox will actually do some digging and tell some stuff CNN blindly says, Nope. I don't agree with you. Okay.

So let me ask you a question. Three years, everybody in America thought Russia hoax, Russia was a real deal. None of it was. They came in Russia was a real. Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, a Trump, a Trump. You don't think that I have not a mind rough thinking. Well, I'm not going to get into that because there's nothing new with Iran, but it's not, it's not that we say that again, but I think this has a lot to do with Iran. I think this has everything to do with Iran. How so? I'll answer to you. I think it has to do with Iran because in order for there to be progress, we all have

to question why we believe what we believe in. How much of it is brainwashing, how much of it is the way we were brought up, how much of it is true, how, I was in atheist 25 years of my life purely. I almost became a Scientologist because I went to Scientology churches regularly. Almost became a Mormon because I was around incredible Mormon people, fantastic Mormon people. When I tell you great, phenomenal Mormon people are ramen. So let me look into this.

Then I went and looked at Judaism. I looked at Jehovah seven day. I was curious, I'm going out there looking for it. And I'm like, my dad wasn't going to church. My mother wasn't like part of our everyday life. I don't remember every doing a Bible study. I don't remember ever doing sitting on a same, okay kids, let's talk about, you know, such and such,

you know, Eliclisi, no, nothing, nothing like that. No wonder I'm like, you know what, this is what I wanted to politically. My dad was a, what do you call it, a, imperialist, mother was a communist, kind of a family thing you raised in. That's a confusing communist, divorce twice in 20 confusing communist. The worst twice in 20 years. Parents got the worst twice in 20 years.

Our parents, you know how you see all these guys, Frisbee people that are throwing Frisbee's down? They threw plates like Frisbee's in our house. It was so entertaining. They could play Frisbee with plates. It was so fascinating. Our family was a very peaceful marriage. Yeah, yeah, sounds like it.

Yeah, yeah, it's just a very, very... So the point I'm trying to make is on why this has to do with that, I think we all have to question. Every time somebody says we can't say, a fox said it, it's gotta be true. If CNN said it, it's gotta be true. If this person said it, it's gotta be true. Because if CNN's restaurant is empty,

there is a reason. That's fine to say that, but I will never agree with the fact that Fox doesn't give you news with a slant. It's clearly biased in slant. Of course I didn't say they don't. Okay. Of course they do. I'm not saying they don't.

I never said that. Are you just talking ratings? But here's what you still haven't seen. But here's the part, I'll pull it up by the way, you're going through it. There it is. This isn't the one. There's a ranking that they do.

That you, so this is this 2.29. Okay, so let's go through this one. MSNBC second one. Fox's channel, Cruz to Victor and third quarter cable members were delivering an average prime audience of 2.2 million. 2.2 million. Easily outpacing MSNBC, which was distant second

to 1.27 million. And third was. And third was. And that draws a crowd. Oh my god. That's what I think. So you were sensationalist and that draws a crowd. Oh my God. That's what I think. So you were sensationalist with the New York Times so you said you suck.

Hey, what? But I loved it. Because it's true. But that article sucked. So guess what? You were right. You can be sensationalist and right. Mm-hmm.

Yes. I don't think Fox is right though. But they are right. They are right. They are right. They are right. But again, again, I think my biggest thing is, I have interviewed seven communists that I want to talk to people that disagree with.

We should talk to people that disagree with. And I think you should go and sit down and talk to Tucker Carlson. I think I would love to. I think you guys should. If Tucker Carlson had me on, he would regret it, but it would be great TV. Ah, I think, I think, I think you're underestimating the power of a very strong debater who knows his world very well and knows the other person's world as well. Sure. Very well.

I think guys like him, I think the opposite of him was John Stewart at his peak. I love John Stewart. I love John Stewart. I love John Stewart, but I also love Tucker. So weird, I'm confusing. Do you not like John Stewart? I understand. Yeah. But I think I love both. Well, you go in love Tucker. It's so weird. I'm confusing. Do you not like John Stewart? I understand. But I think I love both.

Well, you go in the middle of the road a lot. But I, but I, I veer this way. Yeah, no, it's totally fine. And again, all I'm saying is I think if we're going to go my, my challenge right now, if we're going in the direction that we're going with Iran, I would like to say, listen, you like the Lakers, I like the Clippers, but we both love Iran.

Is that okay if we just do enough in this area and we say great high five? Sure. We're scored away, right? So we don't have to agree on everything, but let's agree on this one thing that we would like to see democracy coming back to Iran. Let me finish this data because I hate to have guests on it. You just want to say it.

Yeah. Which was third overall, seven, 17 amongst 25th-year-old the key demographic Fox News outpace. And two, by the way, this must be a Fox News dot com website. Yeah, well, you don't want to see the Fox News outpace then to not by the way this must be a Fox news dot com web So yeah, what you don't want to see the Fox news dot com I feel like you think I'm like on the board of CNN or like my uncle owns it I'm not like you know, I don't think that but what I do think is what I do think is I think you're a very Powerful you just look what happened to you in the last week. And to me, you said something,

said most of us are kind of like, careful on what we say, different reasons. I'm actually doing it with career, the industry or part of you, gotta be careful because maybe family traditions, values, risk. Wait, careful that one, I say about what? Not you, I'm saying you said at the beginning, you said, I said, you know, you were very vocal recently.

You said, I've always been not this vocal, but you know, the risk of your career. You said some comments, not my career. It was, yeah, fear. You said different people have different fears of what they say. Some for some, it is career. Yes. Not you for some it could be career. But I think there's some people that got a voice, you were minor in media, you know, criticism

that should use the voice more often. And I think it's good for society, you know. I think you guys like when I use my voice when you like what I'm saying. No, I don't care what you say that I disagree with. I want you to say it. Yeah. And then I want us to have a friendly debate and let the audience decide.

And I don't care if you agree with your not. Believe me, I've had criminals here. I've had mobsters here. I've had people I fully don't agree with. But I want to poke and ask the question. And then the audience has screw you, Pat. I agree with them I fully don't agree with, but I want to poke and ask the question and the audience has screw you Pat. I agree with them. I don't know. No problem. It's good to go. You get to decide for yourself. Look, I don't like Tucker. You like Tucker, but we want freedom for Iran. But there you go. I got one in here. We're making friends today. So this is a friends 101

fine areas of a green. Common ground, which is Iran. So now let's go back and finish it up with the last 10, 50 minutes that we have here. Yeah. How optimistic are you guys? How optimistic are you with how things are going right now? Obviously it's day 25 for us. All we're doing is talking about is day 25. Where the people in there, it's day 25.

And day 25 comes with a lot of suffering and challenges and losses and a lot of different methods ugly, right? How optimistic are you that this could be the one? I know we talked about it briefly a minute ago, but how optimistic are you that this could actually be the one that leads to bigger thing that eventually we can go back to Iran. Mortez, I will start with you.

I have about 200%. 200%. 200%. So go to Vegas, bet on the odds 200 percent. We're going to be in Iran next year. That's what you're saying. Absolutely. You think so. You're that person. People have nothing to lose. I had a message for martial artists generally and men in Iran. When all we can do is all we can do. I cannot go back in the country. I'm probably to go back in.

But if I could, Patrick, I wouldn't wait here one minute. Because seriously, seriously, I'm telling you, I told you I have to get on a short slice and say, I told my, yeah, we're gonna have a branch over there. That's a different conversation, I'm gonna go ahead. I told my daughter, I told my son, if I could go, you wouldn't see me 25 days ago, I would be there. Because I feel this is a time, it's a responsibility, especially for my generation, that somehow

we didn't do what we're supposed to do in our time in 79 happen, we have to pay our dues to the kids 12, 14 years old, putting their life in their hands and in the city, they're getting bullied and that so and so men or martial artists sitting at home and waiting to see, you know, smoke goes away and then show up. It's ridiculous. It's such a shame. Such a ship. We have to go in now. Otherwise, we're gonna regret. Patek, if this regime stays after this event, God forbid and God forbid, I don't want to even think about it. Nobody can't remove them anymore.

I, I, I don't, we become worse than North Korea. I think it'll be bad. My opinion. I don't know if it's permanent. you said 1400 to 175 then the whole thing you were saying earlier but here's what my worries are with that is $400 billion 25 years China is going to only run. That's the $400 billion agreement 25 years. It's very upset about that too. Yeah but you know they took the money. It's kind of like so I know I will run the same page. I know but that's my the reason why you know, they took the money. It's kind of like so. People were upset. I know, we're on the same page, I know. But that's my, the reason why, you know how everybody's like, this is the election, why you should vote for Hillary,

why you should vote for Trump? Because this is a different, everybody says the same script, right? But I believe this is like the real one, because you don't wanna be owned by China. That's my biggest concern, because if we do, guess what? Next time I wanna be able to go fly in there and see my family 25, 68 years from now, 68 years from now, it's a long time from now. I'd

like to go into next 12 to 24 months and not have to worry about my life when I go there. So, I'm sorry, I got it together. How long you guys think this is coming? They're on 25 days and I wish them all the best. How long do you think this goes for? How long do you think that this protesting like? How long is this is gonna last? How do you do that? Because I mean, it's gonna stop. But I don't want it. I mean, they're gonna be in the streets

until these people are shooting and killing. And you were talking about it. The youth, it's the young ones that are stepping up. They're getting killed. They're getting killed. So I just, I want to- Let me ask you this way. There's a famous saying in Persian, they say,

when Mullah get on the donkey, doesn't come down until the donkey dies. This thing is not gonna get over soon. I hope not. They are gonna put so much blood on the street, and guess what, freedom has a price. Freedom has a price, and if you don't pay the price, we're not gonna get it.

I agree. Well, and to, was it your point or your point? You said we were not there. That's what, that's the thing that's very upsetting is we know what it takes for something to change. And it's a terrible feeling to sit here and feel helpless and just watch our countrymen get killed knowing what they're fighting for and knowing we, all we can do is amplify their voices.

There was something that came out today. One of them was said, and he's known for, they're all hardliners, but he's known for just being a hardliner, his whole career. He said something like, it was translated as in whatever grievances you all have. I'm open to talking about it. I saw this briefly when I got off the plane. So that's a shows a crack, maybe a crack

and they're really, they're showing that they're worried. Like, oh, okay, maybe if we make some concessions, but the people have had it, they're not trying, they're not in there for a foreign, they're for change, regime change, democracy, secularism. No, there's the moment you make concessions, they're gonna go back to the same situation.

And this hedge-up issue is so, it was one of the pillars of the Islamic Revolution so they know the regime knows if these women keep because you know there's all these videos these girls are now women are walking around Iran without their headscarves and people are feeling it if they lose this issue they know that it's only a matter of time till the whole thing crumbles because that's the one because then everyone's like okay well now we're not wearing this okay well now I'm at equal rights too my I want my word to be, a woman's word is only

worth 50% of a man's in court. She can't sing in public alone. She can't travel without permission of her husband. She can't get educated without the permission of her husband. If she wants to get a divorce, it's not up to her. She loses custody immediately. I'm all, there's a lot of things around it that they're fighting for.

So they know once the head job goes, because that's the biggest, most obvious form of oppression, everything else is gonna crumble. And that's why I think they're fighting for. So they know once the head job goes, because that's the biggest, most obvious form of oppression, everything else is gonna crumble. And that's why I think they're starting, we heard somebody say, oh okay, maybe we can talk about this guys. Like they're like, maybe we can talk about this. I hope they don't negotiate.

No, no one's, I don't, I don't think that. I hope they don't negotiate. It's because nobody wants reform. They're not saying reform. They're saying regime too. That's what they're saying in the streets. So. Polar. When you were talking about, when we talked about CNN and Fox and what does it have

to do with Iran, it has a lot to do with Iran because the news media is not speaking the truth. Everything they're talking about, they're like, oh, you know, this person come at a suicide. That person had heart and condition. So people are being fed that misinformation and they're learning it from the best. Well, CNN, I said like I said in the last week, has been, Jake Tapper has been accurately reporting information. And if that's what you guys meant by what does it have to do

with Iran, I totally agree. Of course, the media coverage is not enough. We still need more, everybody's, I mean, my friends, none of us are journalists by trade. We're all in the arts or doctors, lawyers. Everyone in the diaspora is like being the news right now because the news isn't doing their job.

Yeah, I mean, right now that's the, I think that's the great equalizer. The great equalizers were actually seeing it. Like these clips, you know, every time I see these videos where it says, you know, such and I see these videos where it says, you know, such and such content, see why. And then, hey, you click to watch it. There's some, it says something.

Oh, yeah, the morning. Yeah, morning, some kind of morning. And you click on it and then you watch it. You're saying to yourself, this is, this is not a movie. This is real. Someone's really going through this and around right now. And that's happening. It's getting suppressed on social media very oddly too, because, and I think it's people from the other side

reporting people's accounts that, if you even open some of the stuff that says it's distressing, it's actually just like an article that uses the word kill or death or murder. I had a couple of posts up that I was literally just translating what they were chanting in the street, and my account was reported because it was like promoting violence. And I wrote to meta, and I know someone that knows people

at meta and they got it taken care of, which is you guys have to understand Persian translations to this wasn't me saying, let's go kill people. I'm literally just translating a slogan. You know what I mean? They're not the way that's the question. That's unbelievable. I do believe I will give them benefit of the doubt that they just didn't have the mechanism

in place and now it's in place. And let's give them benefit of the doubt and hopefully that stuff doesn't. The ring stated you know your back. I never got blocked. That post got taken out. I got you. And I think there's to be more famous bigger names that are going to stand in the front and help them because I'm not really hearing anybody

There's a lot of celebrity well of Iranian or or I'm talking about like oh like if I'm wrong Somebody stood up and was like hey listen look what's happening a lot more eyes because I'm like a lie I'm not seeing a lot of it. I mean I'm seeing it because I'm you know my mama that I'm from Iran and I'm a Syrian But I want to see some big I haven't heard any big names really getting involved with you. Wait, in America? I have Kim Kardashian, do Alipa, the Hadid sisters, Ruby Rose, Viola Davis, I can keep going.

But like I said, I haven't been seeing it. Yeah, well that's what I'm saying. Where is it? I don't see it in the news, because if somebody that big to me was beyond it. We are posting it, yeah, that's the problem. I wanna see someone really step up and really start. Kim Kardashian. Kim Kardashian

dedicated her whole oh a fashion house is did it a few days ago. Balenciaga, Alexander McQueen, Gucci, they all posted. Yeah. Zanzandigiaz, we stand with the women of Iran. So it's happening. It's start right. Good. Yeah. This is great. Yeah. Just telling you like if

this thing keeps you know momentum doesn't happen overnight. It takes a minute. It's been building. Yeah, it's been building. No, no question about. I mean, again, credit goes to the people that are in Iran.

Of course, they get all the credit. I just hope these people that, you know, you know, one of the things I was thinking about, you know how you said the shush had never left. If, you know how Khomeini was never in Iran and he still was able to do the revolution that it took place without having to be in Iran, right? You know like I'm trying to get a hold of We talked about him earlier Ali to speak to him. Do you think it's safe for guy like that to stay there?

Do you think it's safe for him to stay there or it's maybe not a bad idea for him to go to home or score to Dubai? Which is only 45 minutes light? Ali Karen you're some of those guys. He's not in Iran. Where's he going? Oh, he's definitely going to be around. Okay, I got, he can't be in Iran, right? Okay, I got you.

Yeah. Not after what he said. Yeah. He would have, I don't think he could have said that inside there without fearing for. Yeah, there's, there's, some guys like, I'm glad he's not, I thought he wasn't in Iran, because we're trying to message him and, you know,

some people are saying you're not going to be able to get hold of him. Yeah. that's good I just the fact that there's people like that that are talking. It's good and it's exciting that this momentum's taking place and We appreciate you guys coming out. This was a great conversation our audience is not a big Iranian community You know, it's like they're there may be less than one percent of one percent Persian, you know the podcast is different content Which is even better because people who don't really follow this story now got a, you know, good clinic on what's really taking place from different perspectives.

I think this banner we keeping it on the bridge of the call. The call. When traffic comes, thousands of cars, they're honking that we're looking at them from the up. They're like white, like black, they're not Persian. And they see these banners, they're like, it's becoming very popular this thing. Beginning people's attention. Yes.

Somebody said they're trying to do an event that YouTube arena with 6, 7,000 people, where they're bringing the, you know, Darryush and people like that. And LA. Yeah. There's something being planned. Is there? I want to go to it. I'll tell you what I get.

Okay. No, the only reason I'm saying this. I'm open to the idea of renting out staples. I said, I want a one day full event. I say their mistakes all day. That's amazing. Listen, if any of these guys would have any interest and they're close to any domain, like, I'm thinking like 12 hour straight concert performing talking, bring the youngest

rappers from Dar Huesh to Guguzh to the youngest to every one of them. And do a one-day full. We ran out the staple center and put on a nice AV team and 100% of money that comes in goes to whatever charity we can trust or form of helping, you know, we're, you know, we're able to do something with that. And people can keep giving. We'll create a 1-800 number and show live exactly how know, we're able to do something with that, and people can't keep giving. We'll create a 1-800 number and show live exactly how much money we're raising, you know,

that's not gonna be hard. We can do that. In the next seven to 14 days, in the next week or two. I'll tell you that about that offline. Also, there's a group of people that I know too, it's a large collective, I don't know everybody in it. It's Iranian space, mostly out of Los Angeles, I think, that have started

this GoFundMe, and they're raising funds to buy ad space and billboards in different media markets so that they can get the word out because it's not being reported on. So that's also happening too. I like that other angle. I like us, like if we know where the money goes to, too many times you're given money like to places, there's like the money doesn't do like the whole 900 thousand dollars of black lives. You want the money to go to place it. You know what they're going to be doing with it. Big pieces of your son's money for the past. That is the one. Okay, there you go. Put them below. Not the energy. Add space and media space.

Okay, sounds good. Well, folks, hopefully, you know, if you didn't have any plans about learning more about Iran, you just did because we had five people that are Iranian here and We were equal opportunities. He's here. He's here. He's who is here with us Tyler. Honestly, your commentary tonight was the best I Your comment. You're a little long to get that data You're talking to the best in the business here. I think you were I think you're doing it on purpose, but that's a good Up and rock. He's trying to be friendly to you. He trying to be nice. You want you to leave with a good experience You're upset. He's like I love Tucker Carlson. Yeah, my uncle

Anyways That's his last name is Tyler Carlson No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, great. OK, having said that, thank you for coming out. Thank you for having me. Thank you, thank you. Everybody for coming out. This was fantastic. Folks, have a great day. Are we doing podcasts tomorrow morning?

We got podcasts tomorrow. Potentially. Yeah, we're doing podcasts tomorrow morning. And the team, home team, we're just talking current events. OK, fantastic. Have a good one, everybody. Take care.

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