PBD Podcast - Reaction To The Trump Raid w/ Royce White | PBD Podcast | Ep. 177

Episode Date: August 17, 2022

In this episode, Patrick Bet-David is joined by Royce White, Tom Ellsworth, and Adam Sosnick. They discuss what happened to American politics, the Salman Rushdie stabbing and the Mar-A-Lago Raid on Donald Trump. PBD Podcast Episode 177.  Text: PODCAST to 310.340.1132 to get added to the distribution list Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal bestseller Your Next Five Moves (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

I I'm the one. We're tired. I know the fans you will movie is that hangover. Hey over. All right. Episode 177 today with Royce White. We got a lot of things to talk about today guys. I feel like it's been too long.

We haven't done podcast. We got it like from Vegas last week. We were at the second brand arena. Come on. Let's get real here. How sick was that? We have a shack. Little guy named Shaq.

No big deal. Kurt Wong. I'm not going to be a little bit. I'm not going to be a little bit. I. Let's get real here. How sick was that? We have a shack little guy. He's a shack. No big deal. Kurt Warner. We had Nelly put on a concert and I'm missing somebody. Brine out. Brine out. Brine out. I'm G and but insurance legend. Laila. Laila. Laila, which was great. But today we got a ton to cover. Before before I have you meet our guest today, I want you to know what topics we're going to cover today. We got the Marlaugher rate, we got a lot to do there.

That's what we're starting 30 minutes before, by the way, 20 minutes before. We got the Salman Rushdie attack with Iran, which we'll definitely discuss. Jamie Diamond had a few things to say this week. China's TikTok employees, LinkedIn profileiling in the case, 300 current TikTok and bite dance employees used to work for Chinese state media. What is that all about? And that's a Forbes story, by the way. And some of them still do politics.

The US couldn't, could lose up to 900 war planes fighting a Chinese invasion of Taiwan, but would emerge victorious, says, think tank, This is an insider story. And we got a couple interesting things going on. Walmart reaches streaming deal with paramount out of all people. Disney apparently passed up Netflix,

which Tom's got some commentary on that. US housing affordability in June was the worst since 1989. And then Alex Jones, Tom Brady, doesn't seem too happy to be playing football apparently. Who knows? We'll cover some of that stuff. But anyways, Royce White, good to have you here, man. Thanks for having me, man.

Absolutely for it. For some of the folks that don't know you, would you mind taking a minute and introducing your background? Wow. We're to begin. I'm a former college basketball player. I guess that's the starting point. Not just a regular one. You were a very good college basketball player, I guess that's the starting point. Not just the regular one.

You were a very good college basketball player. Very successful statistically, let's say. I was one of a few players that lead their team in every major stack category. That's a rare feat for any player in any season in history, but especially in a power six conference like the Big 12, especially at the time, was very, very competitive at that time. So, you know, from there, I got dragged to the NBA very controversial way, challenged the NBA on mental health policy back before it was a talking point of the the full social justice warrior movement.

It wasn't talked about at all. Let alone the way it's talked about now. And the NBA railed against me for advocating that we have some type of policy around mental health and shortly after I was kind of kicked out of the league, black ball, so to speak. And I've been there ever since for the last 10 years. So for some folks that don't know the story, what I recall is when they were going back and forth, they says, Roy's could be a star in the NBA,

he could do this, he could do that, but you had a challenge with traveling. It's something to do with traveling, if you don't mind talking about. Well, I've always had anxiety. Or let's say I was diagnosed with anxiety disorder at a very young age. Sixteen came from the first time I smoked marijuana, I had a huge panic attack. It would have remnants or subsequential panic attacks, like two, three times a day for,

I don't know, about a year before I finally was even diagnosed and knew what it was. I thought for a year I was dying three times a day for, I don't know, about a year before I finally was even diagnosed and knew what it was. I thought for a year, I was dying three times a day. And, you know, if you've ever had a panic attack, it feels like you're dying. It simulates the terror and fear of actually dying. So I say, I look death in the eyes of a billion times, thousands of times. But when I finally found out what it was, you know, it changed my life in a sense. And I started to understand that my fear of flying was connected to my anxiety

as well. And, you know, so really, the fear of flying part of my story was misdirection from the mainstream media. Because what I remember, Adam, correct me on this. I remember the following. I remember with saying whoever picks a mob, he's only gonna play home games, or I don't know why I remember some of those stories on how that was structured.

I mean, that's why I'm fit to lead, really, because I had that first-hand experience with the mainstream media just corrupting and misrepresenting me in the most blatant way. And because the sports world is very passive in their premium on details, especially when it comes to personal stories away from the arena or away from the court, they were able to pass that story along with great ease.

And it went around the world three times before I got to put my pants on. But but it was a complete misrepresentation. The the real truth is that I did have a fear of flying. I still do have a fear of flying. I don't like flying at all. Do you fly? Do you actually fly? But I was flying at that time. So when you were playing college ball weren't you flying? Well, I went to Iowa State. It's an AIMS Iowa, the majority of the big 12 is in Texas, right? You can't drive anywhere in the big 12 really. I did drive to a game in Manhattan, just can't to state, and I ended up driving to the NCAA tournament, which was held in Louisville that year that we played. But other than that every away game I flew to and I even flew once

I got in the NBA. I flew once I got in the NBA. I flew once I got drafted in the transition in the summer before the season started. And even once I was traded to Philadelphia, I flew. So the entire Me Not Flying was a way for the establishment to write my story off for the passive fan and not have a discussion about mental health, which was really more of a discussion

about the human condition. And that's the one they were really trying to avoid. Two questions for you. Because you kind of glossed over it real quick. You said that the anxiety stemmed from the first time you spoke marijuana at age 16. Was it only one time? One and one time.

One and done, bro. Like a freshman entering the NBA. That's right. You smoked weed one time, and that set off a whole domino effect of anxiety, bro. Well, I think, you know, my, you know, psych, psychology stems from a bunch of things, from going up where I grew up, how I grew up, as all of ours does.

But that first time smoking marijuana was the first time I had a severe panic attack. And if you smoke since, at all, one time, one in a- Is it blessing? Well, hey. It was a blessing. And then as far as the NBA goes, what Patrick was discussing,

you're saying that they didn't want the real story to come out, they kinda like, you know, smoking mirrors, it was flying. What was your actual beef? Who was the GM at the time the draft? It was a derro-mory? That's right. the real story to come out, they kind of like, you know, smoking mirrors, it was flying. What was your actual beef? Who was the GM at the time the draft? It was a derro mori. That's right. Okay, so obviously derro, I'm sure you've gone, had many conversations with derro mori. He became famous because he was calling out Hong Kong and China and the Uighurs and now

he's ironically the GM of the Sixers, which you got traded to. I don't know if there's any like correlation layers. There is. there is, all right, of course. I'm sure you'll talk about that. But what were the conversations like behind closed doors? What was really on your agenda? If they're saying they're misrepresenting what you wanted to do, which was mental health, and they were kind of disguising it

with not wanting to fly, what were the conversations? Like what was actually happening? Well, they did a great job with the mainstream media it does, and that's the three-card mounting, right? The double cross and the triple cross. So they provide one story, and have you look at this story while there's an actual secondary story on, but there's a third play that they're actually making.

And in my case, it was, I asked, and let's start with the mental health policy that I advocated for, which was at the with the mental health policy that I advocated for, which was at the time any mental health policy whatsoever. When I was drafted, our collective bargaining agreement didn't have one mention of mental health in the entire document. So I advocated that we had, we create some, a dendum that either recognized mental health within the scope of overall health, or we create an entirely separate, a dendum of mental health by itself.

And they didn't want to do either. And they pushed back against me doing that. The rockets or the entire thing? Well, I'll tell you, first, the rockets said that they were in support of something like that, which they almost had to because all of the doctors that were around the situation were in support of it. From a medical standpoint, they all said, look, it is kind of negligent to not have anything

written down on how we perceive a mental health. Not just from a health standpoint, but just a communication standpoint with the players, how are they supposed to understand the expectations around mental health if nobody's even talking about it. So it was the elephant in the room as far as topics go. And so the doctors weren't supportive. So the rockets were kind of in support of it. But once we got into the negotiations,

the rockets communicated to us, be it me and my agent management that the NBA was railing against putting an actual policy in place, be it the league office. So at the time that was David Stern, Adam Silver was the deputy commissioner, and our players union director, Billy King, who ended up getting dided no longer there, but he was there at the time.

So we had all these players at the table, all these people at the table trying to discuss, what do we do with that? What players were, who was the head of the no Chris Paul. Who was a non-existent? Not like zero players were in your back. Would never speak out. I would never speak out on a real issue whatsoever.

These guys are the quintessential cellouts. The quintessential black bourgeoisie cellouts. Which players? Which name? All of them. I have to tell them the name and you won that isn't. Really? But especially those guys, Chris Paul, the Bron,

all the guys who have been propped up to sit like they speak on behalf of the players or black people, it's kind of the same thing. They're sellouts. So my story was an example of that, which is why I feel confident speaking on them because I've been behind the scenes and seen them be quiet when they should speak. And then I've seen them speak when they should be quiet. But so the league railed against us having them into

a policy in the end and they even threatened the rockets with fines and the loss of draft picks if they provided accommodations like for me to be able to bust from Chicago to Minneapolis. And so what they said was, well Roy says, he doesn't want to fly it all, and if he has to fly it all, then he refuses to play. No, I asked that we put a policy in place that allowed me to drive when necessary, let's say from Orlando to Miami,

and the NBA said that would be a salary cap infringement. Which, number one, it wouldn't be a salary cap in Frenchman. But the fact that they said it, let me know that they were just trying to pump me basically. And that's what they were trying to do. And they were even open about that behind the behind closed doors. They would say things like, yeah, you're right about mental health. Important issue, we should we should do something about it. It's not talked about the league, but you don't have any leverage leverage who are you to tell us what to do

no weren't they right what leverage did you have you're coming in as a rookie I mean I'm not coming at you know you're a real no they were right you know typically I've heard the hazing stories of the rookies not like it's like a you know they were right they were right but they were right but they have no sacred honor right when we talk about no sacred honor Right when we talk about leveraging that way when we talk about leverage as a juxtaposition to what is truthful and factual Then we set the table for people to be able to lie their way through any situation in the world when they have the leverage over another Group of people. Let me ask this question about mental health. Okay, so

Basketball in the 90s. That's when I followed basketball closely. Okay, I don't remember anything with mental health. Maybe there was. I don't remember in the 90s. I remember one story in the 90s, not to get you off to Sharif Ali or no, he had other issues, but do you remember Willie Burton? I do.

I know Willie personally. Well, he's Minnesota, right? That's right. I remember he stopped playing because of depression. Okay. Remember this story? People laughed like, dude, what are you doing? Willie, Willie, and I love him to death, and if he's watched this, I'm speaking out of

tearing. I apologize, but Willie has some struggles with addiction. Hmm. As many players did. So, and when you say, you don't remember hearing stories about mental health, that's the double cross and triple cross I was talking about with the media. Yes, is that.

So he presented it like when I said mental health, nobody knew what I was talking. So here's what I'm going with this. So when you say panic attack, I know exactly what panic attacks are. Because I went through it for a year and a half. When you start a business and you put your life savings into it and you're about to lose it all,

it's very, very challenging because you busted your tail for a decade to save a half a million dollars in your 20s and you put it in the business and you're down to 13,000 dollars and everybody's looking at you to pay their salaries and commissions and you're about to bust and you have to, you just got married, you told everybody you're gonna do this and it's not gonna work out, it's a very, the pressure on you. You feel like you have in a heart attack by the way like an elephant is sitting on your chest

I'm very open about that story. I've gone through I've gone through panic attacks and I've got the emergence I'm like what the hell is going on my bodies like sir? You just have a very bad panic attack right and then it would give me IV for a couple hours to see how your your body's exhausted exhausted. Right, you need to sleep while you get in. This has happened probably five times in my career, where I have to go to the hospital and get IVs. Five times, that's no small feat. I mean, we talked. I think five is actually not bad. If it happens every three years, it's actually,

anyways, I'm not going there. So let's go over here. So athletes today, so here's where I see it. So I think there's a difference between, so you saw Ronda Rousey after the fight. Oh, I was suicidal Michael Phelps You know he was she he went through it. Serena Williams even talked about how it was for her, you know Uh, uh, Alarazman talked about it. We have even the recent one the tennis player Nomeo South. Yeah, so she's Simone Biles. So how so some some Kevin Love is even in that community, right?

Kevin Love talked about you guys had a little It was the one to come after me. So so then here becomes here becomes the difference how How you know there's a part of it where like when I was going through it I was on public about it. I was to myself right now. I was put privately talking about it with my Doctors and whoever I was dealing with but it wasn't public because you're business. You're not really talking about, I talked about a year later when I went through it. But, you know, like when you hear him

with Naomi going through it, you hear him Kevin throw, go through it. What is the difference between, man, you just went through a set of losses and it's tough and you gotta go through it versus you're actually going through mental health. How do you differentiate between those two? Well, I think it was two things.

First, I think mental health has been weaponized by the, what, been weaponized through wokeism. Number one, and I think a huge part of the medical community and the mental health community, the psychological and the field of psychology through the universities, has also been corrupted by wokeism, by liberalism. And that reflects in even the diagnostical ways to determine the severity of mental illness. But I think that's when you get down into the details. I think in general, the premise that I was coming from is we're not even acknowledging that mental health or the human psychology is a central part of human beingness

to be. And so let's start there. And now if we need to reorient the details, we can do that. And to your point, I think that all of those cases are very different. Simone's case is different than Osaka's and Serena's, Kevin, they're all different. And they all carry their own unique signature from a mental health standpoint. But I think very clearly if people are saying to have an issue, they probably are. The question is, what issue are they actually having? And what relation does that have to what they're doing? What they're

saying they can do or can't do? In my case, I really wasn't saying that there's anything I couldn't do based on my mental health, which is a significant difference from Osaka. Osaka was saying, I'm having depression, I really don't want the pressure. I'm gonna step, I really don't want the pressure, I'm gonna step away because I can't perform or take the scrutiny or magnifying glass with what I'm going through. Mine was a complete 180 degrees from that.

I was saying, look, I have anxiety, but I can play, I can do everything you ask me to do. I just want us to have an understanding about this topic, open dialogue, and I'd like it to be in writing because everything else in our industry is in writing. So it was more of a business. How much money did that cost you? A couple hundred million. A couple hundred million dollars. Yeah, not a lot of money. It's just a couple hundred million dollars. I mean, if you would have, if you would to stay in the league for a decade and got a second contract, then a max contract?

500 million. Yeah, I mean. I mean, like ability, commercial, you know, endorsement. So say low 200 high. Just for the people that don't understand Royce's story and we'll get into a lot of it. You were billed as sort of a next LeBron type of,

like if you're gonna lead your, you were a power forward who also played point guard. LeBron asked, right? 68 strong court vision, pass score dominate in the fourth quarter. Like when you're saying these numbers, couple hundred million, a half a billion, if you would have lived up your potential, you're actually not being facetious with these numbers. Yeah. So so so for you know, you know what it is for me. Let me explain to what it is for me So I have I have an internal What do you call it? There's a good

So one is sitting you're saying stop bitching and making excuses and kind of make your work Yeah, and the other one saying to do it understanding. He's going through challenges, right? And I I tend to lean towards the guy that's a stop-bitching. That's the guy I listen to the most. Okay. I tend to listen, I don't know if I'm making any sense or not. I tend to lean towards the guy that's like, dude, listen, you think you're going through hard times? How about the guys that are in war right now

that are not missing their birthday of their newborn baby or, you know, they just lost the best friend, lost the limb and you're sitting here worried about, you're about to lose a half a million dollars of your life savings, grow up. You know, you're living in America, you're the luckiest man in life. So that's where I lean towards 90% of the time.

Okay, so now here's what happened when I was going through this process, I'm curious. I go through different doctors and 99% of doctors recommended what? Draftication. Hey, take this. I'm like, now I want a long term solution. Like even right now, my back, my lower back on the right side challenges, my go to chiropractor,

and I always ask the chiropractor, give me a long, like, what is it I can do one time and it's gone, right? And they'll say, listen, sorry, man, that's just not going to happen. You're six, four, six, four and a half, you got military needs, you're lower back, you were in the army for a few years, you carried that weight, this is something you're gonna have to handle for the rest of your life, okay. So eventually I went to one guy

and he recommended me a book, it was like a 60 page book and I read this book and he explained depression and anxiety in the simplest way possible to control your imagination and here's all it was. And it's simplified. Because at any point I was feeling I wanted that state. He said, anytime you're depressed, you're spending a lot of time living in the past. Anytime you're anxiety and panic is high, you're spending way too much time living in the future. He said, try to live as much in the current as possible on what you can do. That is the best state to be.

So if you catch yourself, your brain or your mind is taking you a little, oh my God, I should have done this. I regret doing it. You're gonna get depressed, come back to the present. And some say, what if something happens? What if there's this? What if there's a totally get it? You know, you're visionary, you're living in the future.

That's good. Go there every once in a while to get excited or to kind of prepare and anticipate But try to come as much to the present as possible. So for me sometimes when I see this and a player or an athlete or a pal or somebody that's running and they say oh That that was a lot of pressure on me and I was going through it. I was going through that. Yeah, that's what it's supposed to be That is right. It's supposed to create pressure, you know, my kid, yeah, they were at MGM. Dylan, last year he didn't want to speak on stage.

And he's like, no, I don't want to go. I don't want to go. And this kid's got a great voice. He's charming. Everybody likes him. Nelly, the first time he saw Dylan, he says, so you look like an athlete. He says, yeah, I'm a shortstop.

Nelly's like, I was also a shortstop. My mom was a third baseman. I wanted to be a third baseman. Behind her being a shortstop, he looks at my oldest son. He says, what about you'm a shortstop. Now, he's like, I was also a shortstop. My mom was a third baseman. I wanted to be a third baseman. Behind her are being a shortstop. He looks at my oldest son. He says, what about you? Do you play baseball? No.

He says, you look more like the kid that's gonna buy the baseball team for your brother to play on, right? So anyway, so this event, I keep telling Dylan, you gotta get on stage. No, daddy, I'm not. You gotta get on stage. No, I'm not.

All of a sudden, I'm interviewing Shaq. Shaq and Dylan hit it off. Like Shaq's telling Dylan, let's go to the club. It's hilarious. And it's serious. Shaq decides to come and sit next to me. This is the first time this has ever happened. The entire interview I'm doing in front of 10,000 people in attendance. He's sitting right here to my left. And then later on, I'm interviewing the kids. He's the size of come up on stage. And he actually answers the question and said, that was so hard, I was so hard to start, how you feel now?

That I didn't think it was that hard after I did it, right? So there's certain things in life that's supposed to give us a little bit of anxiety. No, no. It's supposed to give us the challenge. So sometimes, how do you as an individual at this age, that you've gone through in many different ways? And there's doctors that deal with public speaking.

There's doctors that deal with acting and. There's doctors that deal with acting and cameras on you that some can't handle. There's doctors that deal with, you know, political leaders that are getting out there like that. One guy that couldn't, he would stutter. They made a movie after the guy. And the doctor was trying to get him to stop stuttering. The guy from UK, what's the guy's name?

The King's speech. The King's speech that he would stutter. There are many different forms of it. From all the people, papers, books you've read, what's been the best solution that you've learned? And as anything worked, we're to the point that today you can travel without being afraid, without having that anxiety.

Faith, and God. Faith and God. Yep. Yeah, my anxiety at 16 was was unresolved spiritual angst. It was spiritual, right? And I didn't know it at the time, but that's what it was. It even, you know, despair angst. These things are not, you know, new ideas.

They're, they're, they're, uh, age old, tried and tested in the, in the philosophical realm. And these things have been pulled apart. And, um, you know, my Christian, my Christian faith has, has given me the best. age old, tried and tested in the philosophical realm. These things have been pulled apart. And my Christian faith has given me the best solution and antidote to the anxiety. And once I was able to clarify my spiritual path, let's say, or my spiritual standing and my faith

as an adult, the anxiety greatly resolved. Now, now I do think that there are rightful situations for one to be anxious to. And I don't think people should try and rid themselves of all anxiety, despair is another issue completely. The natural, they're talked about in the same sense, despair and anxiety, but they're really quite different. Right, and they can be anxiety and depression can be co-morbid,

but the fundamental mechanism of both are different. Like you said, one is being in the past, and one is living in the future, so to speak. There's a rightful reason to be anxious about the future, in many cases. There's a rightful reason to be cautious and vigilant about your immediate surroundings, but about the world, the path you see in front of you. Despair is a whole other deal.

Despair comes from you being afraid of the inevitable doom of dying, right? And a lot of people have uncontrolled, unconstrained despair because they have no faith. And when the hearing that, that was, you got Rogan and the guru talked about this when your idea of having collapses all you have is the hearing now. Well, if all you have in here now is the hearing now, you either become kind of nihilistic or kind of hands off about the idea of death and well, it doesn't matter. I don't care about anything. That's how you deal with that despair

or you become really anxious about the great unknown after you leave this realm, this phase. So. And when you know what that hope is and you know where to place it, you now have a hope in a certain future. And that hope in a certain future gives people assurance and that assurance

is what helps cancel the anxiety. And you have to fight your humanness every day at a spiritual level to spin that around. Otherwise, you do end up in despair, and I've always seen despair as like an absence of hope. So despair is like the pit. You know, I was in the pit of despair. I felt no hope.

But spiritual gives you a target destination and it gives you certainty in the spiritual voice and the same view led by the Holy Spirit, which gives you assurance, which gives you comfort, which is what gets POWs, if you read about the Christian POWs and Vietnam, that they got through things that other POWs couldn't at the emotional level, not the physical torture, physical torture, and a brick-marmer and brick-gararm. It's going to happen, but the emotional side of it. Which the liberals and the communists and the atheists and the Satanists make sure to keep away from all of their discussions around religion, right?

You know what the thing is with me. With great skill, they keep it away. That's right. You know what the thing is with me. With great skill, they keep it away. By the way, you know what the biggest thing is with me and faith. Here's the biggest thing with me and faith. When I sit down and I have a debate with anybody about faith, okay, you can go and do the mathematical debate, right? And it's like, you know, we can talk God and we cannot talk God. One of the biggest factors of having faith is to control your imagination.

Anybody I know that typically has a lot of anxiety or panic, they have a very strong imagination, but they can't control, okay? And it's let loose. And this imagination goes to places that could be dark, scary, whatever it is. Yeah, you see shadows everywhere. You see shadows everywhere. Yeah, you know, I got four kids. One has a lot of nightmares.

One doesn't have any nightmares. The one that has a lot of nightmares, the most creative mind imagination. And the other one's like, now I gotta get the job done. It's a very interesting mindset on how this thing works. But once you get a hold of your imagination and you can have some sort of a faith

that the future looks bright, people wanna be around that. And that gives you some peace of mind, no. No matter what, everything's gonna be under control. I'm gonna do whatever I can do, but whatever I can to do, man, I gotta have faith to see there's nothing I can do about it. If you don't have faith,

how are you gonna worry about your four kids? Your four kids, you don't have control. Your four kids, 95% of the time. They're out there doing whatever they want to do. You better believe in something that's watching over them because you're not gonna be able to do that for them the hours that you're not around them. Anyways, let's get into the topics that we got today.

Okay, so the discussion of Royce White coming here when we started speaking was because you decided to run up against, run against Ilhan. So tell us how you really feel... Ilhan. Ilhan. So tell us how you really feel about Ilhan for some that don't know your true feelings about her. Well, I think she's in on it. I think she's a globalist.

I really get deep down. I think that she's a security state asset. I ask myself who got out of Somalia in the 90s. And I grew up in Minneapolis, so I'm very familiar with the Somali community. Growing up in public school, I grew up with a bunch of Somali kids and have many friends. Growing up that were Somali loyal friends, good people. So I'm not saying anything about Somali

and in a general sense. But when I think about who got out of Somali, it's the same people that we left behind in Afghanistan. There were people that helped us when we were there. And her father is rumored to have been a rebel during the time when we took people out of Somalia. And a lot of her sentiment and actions line up with that. I mean, who do we think can just go to Kashmir

in the middle of a geopolitical tender box that that's happening right there and beat with not only the new prime minister of Pakistan but the former prime minister of Pakistan with no government clearance with no help from the State Department. First of all it's a lie that she didn't get help from the State Department but even with the help from the State Department in that sense in a covert manner, that's a security state operation in many regards. And so she poses herself as this democratic socialist,

or this socialist, or far leftist, women's rights activists, racism protected, whatever you want to say, whatever day it is. But really, they're running a scam. And I saw it and it offended me because I'm from the community and our representation should represent people. And the biggest scam is what I saw coming down the hatch with the NBA. Not to go backwards, but to encapsulate and end my NBA story.

My anxiety was really existential. My anxiety was to say that there's a global corporate community and that the MBA is a watering hole for a global corporate community. They're like the sinequan non of globalism. You were saying that back then? Or, oh yeah, go pull it up. And you pull up the sports illustrated articles,

I'm saying this is a global corporate community. This isn't just a basketball league. This is every industry in the entire world from here to Beijing represented in a financial interest. And when they say mental health is not important, they're saying the human condition is not important. And it was a pretext for their partners, their corporate partners such as Big Tech to be predatory around the human psychology,

to weaponize dopamine against the average person. And that is what they've done. And the NBA knew it back then, but not only the NBA, their Wall Street hedge fund, Coke and Spiritors, overlords, they knew it 20 years ago. Right?

And so, you know, that's that right for angst that kind of gets woven in and misrepresented where it's like, oh, you're just a kid who's a prima donna. You want special accommodations. You want to be treated differently than everybody. And that's why you're asking for this. And no, no, the reason why I'm asking for it is much, much deeper than most people wake up the morning,

make their coffee, check the morning paper, and look at the stats, maybe bet by noon, want to deal with. And it's that absence of wanting to deal with that people like Ilhan capitalize on. They exploit that. How does somebody like that get elected? Lies, helped from the mainstream media. Also, you know, the localized identity politics, she was sold to the average Somali that says,

hey, a Somali American, just like you, achieving this next step to actually represent a constituents because there is no, there's no American race the way there is a German or a French person, We're from everywhere. Didn't she almost lose like by two or three thousand votes, Tyler? Didn't she almost, it was a close race. It was close.

That's why they sold that. But to your point, that's maybe on the initial election, but she's been reelected how many times, three times? No, look, you can. So like at some point, the people in Minneapolis, Minnesota are gonna have to, all right, we either like this person or we don't. I'm no fan of Ilhan Omar, but she's a representative.

She's not a senator. The people in her district have to keep supporting or not. Let's give one thing. Let's give one thing straight. Let's give one thing straight. I just ran to become the United States Congressman from our fifth congressional district. I lost in a primary by a thousand votes to a unaparity,

globalist, Republican establishment candidate. You get the government you deserve. That's the reality. You get the government you deserve and increasingly we like our politics with French fries. And Ilhan gives you everything that you need to feel good about your politics with French. But isn't that just plain politics, Royce? Like for instance, for you, correct me if I'm wrong. You've aligned yourself with Steve Bannon. Yeah.

Yes or no? Yes. So how palatable is that to the people of Minnesota? Maybe if you're in Alabama using them as an example, hell yeah, let's get behind Steve Bannon, let's do it. What's the sentiment in Minnesota, a very liberal-ish type state. Super liberal.

All right. Or city, the outstates. Yes, well in every city in America, literally every major city votes blue, more rural, votes red, not even an opinion. Minnesota, not Hawaii is the most liberal state in the United. Minneapolis specifically, but when you align yourself with Steve Ben and just that name alone, people are gonna be like,

yeah, I don't know about that Royce White. Sorry about that, buddy. Well, even worse than that, they don't say they don't know. They go, they just write it off. They write me off. That's my point. But, and I think that's when you lose by a thousand votes, doesn't that come back to bite you in the ass?

No, no, no, no, no, see, no, absolutely not. Tell us why. Sacred honor. And I'm gonna keep going back to bite you in the ass. No, no, no, no, no. See, no, absolutely not. Tell us why. Sacred honor. And I'm gonna keep going back to it as many times as necessary, because this is the great crisis of politics. Whatever I need to say, wherever I am, to win the game is the ultimate goal.

And when you play the game like that, it's kind of an American or post-modern business practice is win by any means, we have to win. We have to continue. We have to move on. We have to go upward and onward. But it's egregious for morality or ethics or ideas. And that's why most people, especially in politics, have betrayed their ideas across time. Because their idea idea is I need to say whatever it is that will appeal to a person to get me elected when really your leaders, your elected officials should stand for things, things they really believe in, things that are true first and foremost, but things they

really believe in, and then be able to convince you that you should believe in them. I don't know about that. I have a hard time with that. and let me explain to you why I'll challenge that a little bit And then you can disagree with me. So in business I've lost a lot in the last you know 21 years of being in the financial industry It's a very very competitive. I've lost a lot of clients to other companies. I've lost agents. I've lost employees I've lost contracts and to other companies, I've lost agents, I've lost employees, I've lost contracts, and it was very easy to say, well, in the industry today, it's because I'm Armenian. It's because I'm from Iran.

One time I lost the contract to a big company because they were concerned I was Armenian and what do you call it? There was a couple Armenian insurance frauds going on in Glendale and they said, you're part of that community. I said, no, here's where I'm at. This is my business as this model. So well, we had a bad experience because we had a $2 million charge back.

I said, no, I want you to judge me for who I am. I don't want you to judge me for what my ethnicity is. Let's see what we can do. And I want to compete. And I kept their contract. We're best friends till today. The same people that were gonna drop my contract 11 years ago, they had me at their retirement ceremony,

speaking amongst five people, and I was second to the closing speaker, and the closing speaker was his best friend of 26 years. So for me, the challenge I have is to say, I have to compromise my values to win. I'd much rather say my messaging has to improve. My ability to go out and shake more hands has to improve. My ability to market better has to improve. I have to out-market, you out-message you, out-work you, even if you're cheating, and there's a lot of people that cheat

in the marketplace and business and media and politics, definitely more in politics than other areas, you got to get more creative with the messaging to win because that that angle and again, this is my opinion That gets the voter to say, well, why vote anyways? Because we don't stand a chance against the globalists. Why do it anyway? That's actually the wrong messaging because it doesn't get the crowd to come out. For example, right now what happened with Trump? Okay, right now what happened with Trump, for example, this is the brilliant marketing of him and where he's at. Love him, hate him, do whatever you want to do with the guy. Do you know how they're going to use this here? What happened with FBI? Here's how to market. They're going to get their base to show up like never before.

Okay, that's how they're gonna use it because in the world of politics, it's definitely de-dirtious amongst all, okay, because you can manipulate a lot and get away with it. You can't really do that a lot in business and get away with it because there's laws. And politics, there's not really laws. You just gotta kiss the right person's ass and, you know, you can lie. You can lie and get away with a lot of different things. In business, you eventually gonna get caught

when you lie too often. It's just what ends up happen if you do that. Bad business. Yeah, it's bad business. And insurance, you can send a bunch of premium but if it doesn't stay on the books, you eventually gonna be, you know, having that reputation. So for me, I wanna agree with you

but I want also to challenge you to say, hey man, if I gotta go back, I gotta change my strategy, marketing, we gotta have better team, we gotta shake more hands, I gotta build a bigger pipeline today, I gotta get better endorsements, maybe banning is good strategically, maybe it's not a good public strategic thing

for me to have out there, maybe I gotta have them as somebody I talk to on the phone on a daily basis, but publicly the people that, so that's the only thing I would say with some of those things. Because if you're really gonna go do the politics thing, you have to, like I remember one time I had a guy in Casey Bell, he was in the military, total playboy, great with the ladies.

And one day I'm 17, 18, I'm like, I just can't stand the games, these girls are playing. He says, what are you talking about? They're playing so many games. He says, you got to stand the games. These girls are playing. He says, what are you talking about? They're playing so many games. He says, you gotta play the games back. It's part of it. It's a game. No.

But by the way, not from the stand point of, not from the standpoint of, not from the standpoint of manipulation. What he's talking about is they're playing hard to get. That's part of it. You gotta figure out a way to still woo them. You got to figure out a way to still persuade them. That's the part. And by the way, that's politics. Yes. No. No, I strongly disagree with this. Okay. Tell me why. There are sacred honor. The ideas and the values that you live by, but are willing to die for.

We have a radical loss of sacred honor in this country and people around the world. And as soon as you, you know, when you say out message, I mean, and I told our delegates this in the CD-5 convention where they endorse a candidate. If you guys want to become Democrats to win in a deep blue place, you don't really win. I mean, you don't win if you become a Democrat to get a Democrat vote, you have to convert a Democrat to conservative ideas or liberals to conservative ideas. If you become a liberal to win, you're just a mouthpiece. You're just- No, I'm saying that, though. But no, but this is what I'm saying. There are fundamental ideas that didn't fall on or didn't fall to a lack of messaging. There are real contention about ideas,

and because we live in a democracy, we play this retail game with the people and say, well, how can I get the widest net, but there are some things that we should have never compromised on that somebody has to stand up and say, just just no. Absolutely not. And in a place like Minnesota

that's very moderate conservatives, even on the Republican side, abortion was that issue. I could have went door to door and affirmed abortion, baby killing. And I would have easily got another five, I don't know what I'm saying though. But when you start down the path of modifying a message based on what people would like to hear, as soon as it ventures away from being truth, things that you know to be true, or things that you believe in,

you're already down to, you become, you become a product of whatever the most powerful, leveraging dog is out there in the yard. And that's how this code, that's how we lost this country. So I'll give you an idea. Okay. Do you know what life insurance used to be called?

Death insurance. Death insurance. So would you rather buy life insurance or death insurance? Wouldn't matter to me. Okay, but the average person's gonna buy. Yeah, the answer is life insurance. So maybe death insurance has a creepy moment. But if you go to a family and say hi,

I'd like to buy you some death insurance today versus life insurance, right? Okay. So, you know, anti-abortion or pro-life, what's better? Exactly, it's the same thing. It wasn't called pro-life back in the day. It's the same thing, so anti-abortion or pro-life,

you have to know that's messaging. It's the same thing. Okay, look, I just came from, I'm, with all due respect. Yeah, I just came from the political arena where these ideas are discussed. It's not a messaging issue. These are fundamental ideas that people are yay or nay on on the other side.

The problem is the people on the, yeah. The people on the good guys side, let's say, are wishy-washy about their stance. So it allows half of them to always get pulled over. That this is the overtune window shift that's happened in this country and why liberalism holds the day and everybody looks around like,

how did these crazy liberals and these ideas take hold? But then that becomes part of the conservative's failed. Let me push you and then push me back as well. Okay, so say you win with a pro life, okay? Say you win with a pro life message in a district and wherever you go in a Minnesota, okay? Say you win. Say I'm pro-borsion and I'm pro-choice. Can I coexist in your district or do I have to leave you?

You could coexist if you don't wanna kill babies. What if for me I'm pro-choice? Well then that's that's no just no So then so then I have to leave your place leave leave the district you're in no you could not have Sex and have to get an abortion that's an option Right, but what you could even be on birth control you could track your ovulation Great. There's all kinds of things you could do before saying I have to pack up and leave show how about how about if you're somebody that You believe in low regulation?

Okay. And I believe in high regulation. You believe in low taxes. I believe in high taxes. Let's just say, but do you want to also win me over long enough where you want, you can convert me or do you want to get rid of me? What would you rather do? I think right now we're at war and we're in a crisis. So we need to clear the smoke first.

Okay. Sort out the details. So under normal circumstances, different, but right now we're at war. Yeah, so I want to believe you, and by the way, I think if we get to the point where it's war and all of that, and there's a part of it that I don't disagree on what the FBI is doing, what the war, when they put the IRS is gonna commission 87,000

agencies, we're at war with our government. I mean, that could be an interpretation of what it is. I don't disagree with you. But then again, if you are, your base is a percentage, and the other side is a percentage, 44, 46, whatever you wanna do with it, your job is to percentage and the other set is a percentage 44-46, whatever you want to do with it, your job is to win the 12. Your job is not to change the 44. Whatever their side. You have to win them with the truth. Sure. And go back to NBA. They're a prime example. This is why I

had such, this is why I was so offended by the NBA and their whole outlook on the world. They're chameleonic with their politics. This is woke is this in effect is what woke is them is you think the NBA really cares about the LGBTQ now mind you LGBTQ ism is is a is a is a tenant of the left in liberalism in America today. But at bottom the item server doesn't care about the LGBTQ. He doesn't have a deep profound care in that topic. The audience that he's either mapped out or has imagined in his head, the concept is head,

that's what matters to him. The black people who create the culture of basketball and, you know, the nature of the swell of the game from a commercial aspect and a culture aspect, that's what he cares about. You think long term that works? No. No. Okay, so the market's going to decide, but no, but that part to me is, look at how much

they try to push BLM down everybody's boy, but what but it didn't work. NBA's ratings dropped dramatically that season. No, it did work. No, it didn't work because people still watch the NBAs though it has no cultural impact. Oh my god. And day 28. They got this role. Tucker Carlson would get up and show data and say look what happened to the NBA him and Mark Cuban would get into it and look, you know, no, they got destroyed. The market said, we don't like it. We just want to watch basketball. They're not destroyed because one, the game is different than the commercials and the politics and the game is evolving. The game is increasing. Young people more than ever are watching basketball at a higher frequency than ever in history on the game is increasing. Young people more than ever are watching basketball

at a higher frequency than ever in history on the internet. Sure, they might not be tuning into the live games, but the trickle down of basketball content is 10 degrees magnified than it was when I was a kid. But whatever reason. But you gotta realize, okay, do you believe, do you believe, okay, what percentage of America you think has the ability to reason?

I mean, seriously, I'm trying what? What percentage I'm not trying to be I'm not trying to be disrespectful to the main. Totally fine. It's totally fine. All of this is what I'm trying to say. Yeah. We have been corrupted mis misguided, misled, represented strategically manipulated, philosophically. Yeah. We don't teach philosophy in schools, we don't teach people to critically think.

Makes it easy to create this tacit sort of fake political arena where it's political theater, and then you get your puppets come in and they kind of just ping to all of the talking points that already set in a low resolution philosophical discussion. And it's like, if you're a candidate or you're somebody who really wants to lead people in a time of need, you can't adhere to any of that. You can't play any of that because you'll never talk about the real issues. And this is why for me as a candidate in CD5, I came in, I globalized them.

The Fed, the Church of LGBTQ abortion, God, and my opponent, my primary opponent, did exactly what you're saying that she should do strategically to win. And she got up there and said, all of that's red meat talking points for the base. That's that Steve Bannon stuff. We can't win in a deep blue district like that. What would make people think that she would actually represent a conservative viewpoint or values if she were to be elected? What would make a Democrat think that she would represent in other parts of the universe?

Are you a fan of Trump? Are you a supporter? Or yes. Yes. So what did he run on? Trade and immigration. Did he run on pro life? No.

And that was an error. But wait a minute. That was an error But but no, it's not an error. No, it was. Well, let me let me challenge you. Let me challenge you. Let me challenge you Okay, so you're an April 10th baby, right? Yeah, okay, my dad's an April 10th baby and I love April babies I hire April babies. Okay, to me they're very The true believers and what they're in and they stick to it, right? Okay. I live with that man for 43 years Okay, so it's a lot of strong values that he has. Okay. So Trump ran on what? He ran on the wall. Okay. He ran on

train. He ran on. Okay. So look, look at this guy on what he ran on and you would have liked for him to run on pro life. You would have liked for him to ran on faith. God, you would have liked for him to run all those things. Absolutely. Okay, let me ask you a question. What just happened to Roe v. Wade? We took a good step in the right direction. How did that happen? The Supreme Court stood up and grew up. Who picked those three Supreme Court? Donald Trump. Would he have done that if his messaging was hardcore only pro life? He wouldn't want. So the message I'm trying to make is something because it's all pure strategy. So the strategy isn't that he, he may have done something

impossible. Three, it drove them insane. They lost their minds. That may be the single biggest victory a president's ever had. People today are sitting there saying, holy shit. I thought being a president battered. No, it's Supreme Court because you got you got six, three now five, four, whatever it's going gonna end up being for how many years are you kidding me? So maybe power to him for strategy. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying compromise your values I'm not saying compromise what you believe in. I'm just saying messaging is Where I think like for example today. Okay, Republican so cry and at the same time, yeah, Republicans who cry.

Like John Banner, type of crazy. But there's a, no, no, there's a lot of, no, no, no, left rights anywhere. You go, you go, you go, Banner cry, you go, you know, mega, you go, Lincoln project, you go, whoever you go to, who's like cry, like cry foul or actually cry tears. Okay, those are complex. okay, I got you got you while listen isn't Forbes for sale Isn't Forbes for sale for 630? How many Republicans have gone and made enough for a $400 million to see if they can buy Forbes if Somebody on the left buys it you deserve everything they do when they announced woman of the year award Forbes magazine

last year international woman of the year award you know who they give it to? Hillary Clinton. You deserve it. You tell him you can't spend 400 million dollars to buy Forbes. Every time these media companies that go on sale, why don't you go buy props to daily wire

for what they're doing, which is, you know, the Shapiro and his guy. Props to Seth Devin. they're doing, which is, you know, the, the, uh, uh, uh, Shapiro on his guy. Jordan. Props to, uh, um, Dylan, um, Dylan with Babylon be props to these guys that are doing what they're doing. Tim pull props to, there's a lot of these names that we can give to. They're going out to push in the envelope. But if you don't like that your argument's not being heard, do something about it.

And by the way, the doing something about it, Royce, my opinion is a 20-year solution. It's not a one-year. It takes 20 years. So put your money where your mouth is, not you, anybody in the market that's got the millions. Oh, you really care about America. You really care about your conservative beliefs. They're not real conservatives.

Then that's the problem. Yeah, no, I agree with you. 100%. No. Most of my campaign has been to speak out against the Republican establishment or the conservative movement as a whole. From an ideological standpoint, even from a strategic standpoint, there's no way that liberalism has run off

with a lion's share control of the mainstream media without the conservative or prominent conservatives or powerful or conservatives that are in a position to actually affect these industries. There's no way that they did that by chance. It didn't just happen. They were in on it. They were always in on it.

But that is the unipartee. So for me to not be able to say unipartee in the public square out of fear of people not knowing what it is or comprehending it as they would a more palatable issue really strikes against the deficit that I see in time to solve this issue. And it may be 20 years, but then we got to get started with the Trump should Iran Trump should Iran ran on pro-life. Yeah. Not singularly, but I do believe that as a leader of a movement, it is your duty to hold and plant flags and be able to merge the message together in a way that you could go back to later. Even though he didn't, he did more for the pro-life movement in the last 30 years than

any other president who ran on pro-life did so that that's the part about I don't who is the who's the democratic strategist behind closed doors who's the democratic stratum who is the biggest Like who today call for strategy behind closed doors. I think their Socrates still is James Carville So he's taking it's hard. You think is running the show? The rage and game. No, no, I think you're asking me about, is that Biden strategist or is he? Obama, Ron Claim, Susan Rice?

I still think James Carville is going to say. James Carville, who do you say? What do you say? With respect to the biz doc, I don't think James Carville's pulling any strings over there. I mean, maybe under Clinton, but I still any so Obama remnant Susan right say David Axel Rodson. Okay, who's on the right? Who's the strategy? Spaniard closed doors for the right Donald Trump period end of story.

I don't think he's consulting with anybody. You know, you real question. Who's the strategist? It's the Karl Roves of the world. People have that. They're going to lose the bad. The Republican Party is not behind Donald Trump. It's the carol roves of the world. People have to be back in the carol. They're gonna lose with that. The Republican Party is not behind Donald Trump. It's all a facade. Okay, these people do not trust Donald Trump. He maybe have three people in Congress.

You're saying like the Mitch McConnell's over the world. Yeah, I do. You know, Kevin McCarthy, even the Kevin McCarthy's, the Bill Barracks. Who is the guy that understands the Lincoln Project community and understands Magga and is able to reason and give you straight down the middle council. Who's that guy? Is there anybody, is that a Tucker?

Who is that guy? Carlson, maybe. Who would be that guy that can sit, do you know what I'm asking? So I think that's the channel. Certainly not the Dick Cheney Liz Cheney out of his zero. They're all Democrats. They're all Democrats. They're all Democrats. They're just not MAGA. No, Liz Cheney is a Democrat.

Royce, you can't say that. Her father ran the Republican Party for decades. And they were Democrats. And that's where people are feeling the real life. You can say that they're more closely aligned to Democrats. No, no, no, what I'm saying is nothing about what I'm saying is a deep, that screams Democrat.

Everything's creed, didn't look at it. He's a globalist. He's a raging neocon military industrial complex shill. He was, matter of fact, he's not a shill. He is the, you're not wrong about that portion, but that doesn't mean he aligns not on the liberal side of things. No, no, no, no. The neocon side of things and the war hog side of things and the, no, no, no. The neo-conside of things and the war hawks

side of things and the military does what they've brought themselves to be. It's because your say your thing doesn't make you it. Just like because I say I'm a Christian, doesn't make me one. My actions have to add up and more so my ideas and base have to add up and kissing jur was a Democrat. Nixon was a Democrat.

LBJ was a Republican. This is the uniparty scam that the American people have been hoodwinked on, and they get caught up voting, instead of voting candidates who actually speak to real fundamental issues. And that's the great scam, that's the great retail politics game that has been cast upon us, and it really undermines the idea that we live

in a representative Republic or Democracy at all because we know we live in a we live in a shadow shell game of faux foe teams fake teams fake ideologies Liz Cheney's a Democrat Signs up lines up on the Republican side when it says go she's the outer bastion of defense for the entire thing. What do you think Joe Walsh is?

Do you know who that is? Yeah, I think, uh, because don't you dare call him a Democrat Roy's way, he will come at you like a spider monkey. Look, I mean, Liz is a little bit more clear cut, is what I'm saying. There are some people you could pick out. But all I'm saying, Yeah, but there's a lot of Republicans out there

who have quote unquote left the Republican party, Joe Walls being one of them, who will literally walk out of a podcast unless you have to like embrace them if you call them a Democrat. They're just saying I am no longer Republican, but I am not a Democrat. So people don't want to be labeled certain things.

Yeah, well, when I say they're Democrat, let's say liberal, right, neo-liberals, neo-cons, these, the list chanies of the world pretend like they're conservatives. But there's nothing conservative about their stance on anything. They're chameleons number one.

They serve themselves in their own career agenda in placing the thing, but, you know, secondly, they greatly serve the movement over that way to the left. Okay, can we get into some, can I just ask you one quick question because this is, and I'm going to get into a thousand or just in your mind. Go ahead. The whole argument that you guys are having is, I'm just kind of going back in my head to a,

how to that you've done, and I've discussed this kind of going back in my head to a, how to that you've done, and what I've discussed is kind of stuff before is whether you should pursue money or your passion. You've done a board episode about this, right? Money or passion. Should you follow the money? Should you follow the passion? I don't want to put words in your mouth,

but clearly you followed more your passion than the money. You've given up close to $100 million if not more. My question is, is it not better to follow the money, have $100 million plus in the bank, then go to create change versus being worth whatever it is, and try to fundraise and try to play that game and not have any money in the war chest and then try to win come for behind victory. Like I don't know what your resolution was with that video, but I I think you recall following the money, not the passion, and then once you get the money, you could work on your passion. That's a rational one life. That's a one life position there. That means it's only one life you're on earth and you need to modify it. That's right.-life position there. That means it's only one life here on Earth and you need to modify it over back and forth.

Because the core belief is what good is it if you gain the whole world, but you work at your very soul? Exactly. So a one-life perspective said, this is it, and I need to optimize what's at the table right here. That's a rational point of view for folks to take. Now, I happen to think that it has

severe eternal consequences, but you could say, this is the playing field, and these are my rules, so I'm going to optimize for that. You can't. I happen to think that there's a longer, more important play, you know, in eternity, that also dictates the playing field where I'm doing much for many, and I choose not to optimize for myself at points along that because I want to do things differently. What does that mean in English? I'm not being sarcastic. You went very deep with it.

What does that mean? What should people follow? They're money or the passion? I- The truth. Yeah, but that doesn't work. You lost the deep with it. What does that mean? What should people follow their money or the passion? I the truth Yeah, but that doesn't work you lost the election, bro if you follow the money Maybe you could have on the election. Oh wait wait. What is it? No way went? What you think he's following the truth and that's righteous. That's great. No, there is only righteousness when you have faith And that's where this country has lost itself

And this is this is the fundamental issue where many well intended, well meaning good people have been roped into the very conspiracy and corruption that they say they oppose, but they're roped in because what he's saying is that there's a time horizon. There's a time horizon that all of our actions are taken into account. You're 31 years old. You're not 51, you're not 81, you're 31 years old. In the prime of your political career, okay? Right, you're just kind of getting going. You would have

a lot better chances to do what you want to do with $100 million in the bank versus a million dollars in the bank. That all to me. What I'm saying It's not like you're some old man who has to have to do to get the hundred million I don't know if you would have maybe worked with the league a little bit better You could have played in the league work with the league the the show for China the show for the CCP Yeah, but this is my boy got this tyrannical regime in the mid and I'd rather have a hundred million in the back of the CCP Whatever it is no listen see in that I'd rather have a hundred million to the bank and then it CCP. Whatever it is. No, I'd rather have a hundred million in the bank. That's a big prop.

And then come out and speak out against it now. It's not whatever it is. I'm not taking a hundred million dollars from Satan for him to trick me into thinking I'm speaking out against him. Who's Satan? What do you mean? You're saying from Satan? Who's Satan?

He says the NBA is the whole. The whole regime. They're all openly anti-God. They're not even hiding it. They're saying it right out in the open. If you believe in Jesus Christ, if you believe in God, you're either a conspiracy theorist, a quack,

or you're a white supremacist. I don't, I watch the NBA religiously. No pun intended, I've never heard of that. You haven't seen it, but you're not syncing it across the liberal establishment media. They're all in on it together. The Washington Post, the New York Times,

Mother Jones, the Guardian, they're all in on it together, they're saying they have the exact same message and the NBA stands back as this sort of, you know, unique hog in that machine and they go, well, we don't have to talk about God at all, but we're gonna affirm all of the other anti-God movements, LGBTQ, BLM, Women's Riot, whatever the other, you gonna affirm all of the other anti-god movements, LGBTQ, BLM, women's right, whatever the, you know, all of the other ones, but we just want to speak

on God. But they're right there at the table with the CCP. They won't speak on the CCP. The CCP are locking up anybody who has faith. And they're not even shy about it. The weavers for sure. I mean, the weavers is right out in the open. But the Christians, the Tibetans, the, I mean, what are we talking about?

Who was Satan? They're, oh, I can see if they had a non-position on God, their anti-God, and they're very abashed about it. So why would I take 100 million from them to speak out against them, and do you actually think they would let me do that? If it was after you leave the league, you could do whatever you want. Well, what happens in that? What about, see, when you're,

there's a lot of people out there are gonna be like, dude, I hear you. I understand you're more the reason why we lost the country. No, that's the reason why we lost this country. 100% right. That's the exact, those people out there that would say, oh yeah, I know man, but the 100 million, the money, the war,

the game of today must be won. They lost us the game of ten years down the road thirty years ago this was kissing Kissinger could say the same thing oh we went to China because the labor the unions pressed the market too hard and they made it unfair a hard for the American business to operate here in America with with fairly, so we opened up China. But wasn't that Richard Nixon Republican? A Democrat. Richard Nixon was a Democrat now. Yes. Holy shit, Roy.

And maybe all the history I've learned is clearly backwards. He was a Democrat before. Richard Nixon is a Democrat. He was a Democrat. First of all, he was a Democrat before he became a Republican. I've never heard of. Number one. I've always thought of number one. Never heard of this.

I've always thought of Richard Nixon as a Republican president. Barry Goldwater was the real conservative. Nixon was the favorable, likable, more moderate. And where's Barry Goldwater in the history, in the annals of history? He was the four, five, the conservative, the modern conservative movement. Yeah, he got wiped out.

No, he didn't get wiped out. The same establishment that puts pushes gender theory today, paints Barry Goldwater as an extremist domestic terrorist white supremacist. And that's exactly the game that's been run on the American. You have this cons, not you personally, but I'm saying in many people do have this concept that whoever holds the, it's real Machiavellian, it's whoever holds the sword has the power. But Christians don't believe that. We believe God has the power and the truth has the power across the iteration of games. Not, so you could win today with lies. And I could die today in the pursuit of truth, but that's still winning. And when you, what you, when you don't have faith, you can't

come to grips with that. And a lot of people who even say they have faith demonstrate how they don't When they say I have to win today or what was the point? No, the point was there was a set of values and ideas and something that was right that you believed in that you were willing to live by and die for But if you never start to dying for the good thing the bad folks have just yet to run away with it So what are you willing to die for the good thing, the bad folks have just get to run away with it. So what are you willing to die for? The truth. The truth, it's very simple.

And what's the truth that we don't understand? Well, I think I said, and politically, I think there's a uniparty of people who have posed as one category, category, the other be a Democrat Republican, but ultimately, they've served in the interest of the political elites. And they've served in the interest of a globalist agenda. And they're saying that right out in the open, too.

You know, when they send down a house resolution that suggests the military should be able to pursue and persecute American citizens without congressional oversight in the name of fighting domestic terrorism or a pandemic, let's say pandemic misinformation. We are being run by a foreign authority. We have given over our rights and our sovereignty to a foreign governing body. And it's not being hidden. That's what's so frustrating.

It is like these things that they're so arrogant, they're so confident in their position, in the position they've carved out of authority. They don't even feel they have to really lie. So it's not that they're not telling the truth so much as we the people don't want the burden of freedom. We've given up our sovereignty. We've given up our right. We did it. So when I go into my congressional district, I'm not going up to the door and bringing the moms and kids out and giving them kisses and lollipops and slapping them on the butt because it'll help me win, I'm telling them the truth. The government you watch

on TV that you have your complaints about exists because of you. That's the difference between me and most politicians not only now, but throughout time. And that is the truth. We've traded our freedom for security and materialism. So that's his truth. By the way, the one thing you got to respect about Royce, very, very obvious, your true believer. There's zero breaking into his belief system. Let's get into some of these topics. There's a story in 940, we haven't had any topics yet. Okay.

Salmon Rushdie, the author of satanic verses. So Salman Rashi on the road to recovery after life change and injury sustained and stabbing the suspect accused of attacking and may have had contact with Iran, Iran's revolutionary guard court, this is an insider story, author Salman Rashi's on the road to recovery

after being stabbed roughly 10 times in an attack report say maybe connected to the irons revolution attack friday as he took the stage to give a lecture at chattanooga institution uh... i'm sorry chattano uh... chattano uh... can you pronounce that for me uh... tyler it's not chattowaka is it uh... chattowaka

chattowaka institution in new yorky sustained three stab wounds to the neck for to the stomach punctured to the right eye chest as the stomach punctured, to the right eye chest, as well as the laceration on the right thigh, Hadi modern the 24-year-old accused of stabbing his sympathetic to the Shia extremism and may have ties to the Iran's revolutionary guard, Korn 1989, Iran's cleric, Homani issued a fatwa calling for Russia's assassination, claiming his book, The Satanic versus a magical realism. Novel inspired by the life of Prophet Muhammad

was against Islam, the Prophet and the Quran. And by the way, Iran claims it was not involved in the stabbing. They made comments on it. The country's foreign minister spokesperson, Nessar, Kanani said in a briefing to journalists that Iran should not be accused of an involvement.

We in the incident of the attack on Salman, Russia, and the U.S. do not consider that anyone deserves blame and accusation except him and his supporters. Nobody has the right to accuse Iran in this regard. Iran has offered more than $3 million for anyone who kills Russia. A semi-efficient Iranian religious foundation raised a bounty for Rush in 2012 for $2.8 million to $3.3 million. And I believe Hamenei in 2017 and 2019 said

that the fatwa was still on. So Royce, any comments on the story? Please don't blame us, but the bounty's still out there. Where to begin? Yeah, I mean, I think yet and still our security state and the propaganda around it makes these situations in the Middle East, all of them very, very murky waters, you know, to understand who's playing what angle. And yeah, I mean, this is a Adam, what are your thoughts on this? Look, I learned about this term fatwa years ago.

And I mean, I'm just going to read the definition of fatwa is a legal ruling on a point of Islamic law, aka Sharia law. We've heard that terminology before, given by a qualified jurist in response to a question posed by a private individual judge or government. And if there's, you know, you use the word question, someone rushes, he has the question, Sharia law, for sure, okay?

So, a jurist issuing fatwas is called a Mofti, and the act of issuing fatwas is called ifta. Fatwas have played an important role throughout Islamic history, taking on new forms of the modern era. Okay, the important role that it has taken on, we've seen that play out over the last few decades. What's the magazine in Paris that basically did a cartoon of the Prophet Muhammad?

How many people ended up dead and murdered? So let's not forget who America still is on the world stage. There's a lot of authors, artists, speakers out there that cannot use their voice in whatever country they're in, especially in the Middle East, especially in Iran. You can throw China into there, and they come to America as a safe haven to use their voice. So here's a person who has embraced America.

I think he's from Indian descent, I want to say Indian slash Iranian and he's used, he's in, lived in the United States so we could use his voice. And this is exactly what, you know, you want to use like liberalism or what the traditional liberalism is. Come here and say what the hell ever you want to say. I might not agree with you, but I defend your right to say it. So this is a disgusting act of the fatwa, if you will, and by make no mistake, the Iranian government or the Ayatollas are very upset that this guy didn't finish the job. Tom, how about yourself? Well, anybody who looks at the statement by Iran, you know, how can you not see through that?

You have no right, you have no legal right to blame us, but the bounty's still out there, folks. It's 3 million and it's rising. Anybody wants to contribute? Used to be 2 million and they've increased the bounty on his head. And I think you look at their radicalization of young men. And here's a guy 24 years old. That is the age. You know, 16 to 24 is the age of where these clerics, you saw the London subway bombings. They traced it back to these clerics that found isolated Muslim men and they radicalized them and at 22, 23, 24, this is now your time, here's your vest,

go to the subway and let's do it. And it just, it's got all the fingerprints of that. This is, this is, this is tragic for, and, and, and, I want to read a hard line story. So here's Iran's hard line newspaper, praise the Salman Rushdie's attacker. This is a Reuters story. The hard line, Khan newspaper whose editing chief is appointed by Iran's supreme leader, Ali Khamenei wrote, a thousand bravo's to the brave and beautiful person who attacked. The past eight and evil Salman Rushdie in New

York adding the handed a man who tore the neck of God's enemy must be kissed. The Assar Iran news site on Saturday carried an often cited quote by Khamenei that said the arrow shot by Khomeini will one day hit the target. The headline of the hard line, Vatan Emru's newspaper read, knife in Salman Rushdie's neck, the Khosran, Khurasan, daily carried the headline, Satan on the way to hell. So here's a thing with these stories, okay.

You have to be keeping in mind. Bill Maher said something a couple of days ago because Salman Rush rushes one of his friends, a good friend of his. And you know he's probably going to lose his eye by the way, okay. And he- Oh really? Yeah, he's probably going to lose his eye.

And do you know what he was talking on at this event? He was talking about on the freedoms to be able to talk about whatever you can write about and talk about. That's what this whole tour was about. So he's going out there talking about that. And this guy comes in, stabs him three times in the neck, foreign dystomach, NDI, gunna lose his eye, in bad conditions. He's making it, whether you like Simon Rushdie or not or agree with what he wrote or not, you know, Bill is trying to say, name me any other religion that their

extremists are doing things like this. And he says, as much as America wants to avoid this topic, it is a discussion that we must have. So now, a couple of things. Do you remember years ago when Trump under his regime, they killed Hassan Soleimani? Do you remember when that happened? Do they are in general?

Yeah, and we talked about the revenge, and how long it's gonna take. Oh, yeah, the airport missile. That's right. So what did they say? Oh, you know, revenge is coming. It's gonna come on whose terms? On their terms, you know, it's not gonna these guys in Iran. They don't forget. This is not something they sit on and they move on to them It's just a matter of time before they get there and especially right now

I don't know how many stories you're reading about the fact that Iran wants to go after Trump did you see these stories about? They just tried to kill John Bolton, they just tried to kill John Bolton, Trump's another one that they have on their list. But look, this isn't like these types of stories when you're reading him and you're hearing the support from the back to say kissing the hand of the person who, the hand of the man who tore the necks of God's enemy must be kissed, being written by this paper. That is the editor in chief is appointed by Iran's Supreme Leader Ali Khomeini. You have to understand these types of things don't happen in America. These types of things happen.

It's stories like this that gets you to realize freedom of speech in America. This is not happening from an American to an American. This kid that did this to 24-year-old, that was connected to Iran, you know where he lives. This kid is, he was born in California. It's not like he was born in Iran. This kid's a US citizen. Natural born, he was born here and they get to him and he goes up there and does what he does and right now You know, we're gonna see what's gonna happen with it, but I hope more of this doesn't become a normalized thing I we don't get too many of these stories happening It's unfortunate that they did it to him I remember when the fought will happen that we're burning his book all over the place and quite frankly

The book is actually not that great of a book. The fact that they gave him a fatwa took his book to, you know, levels of selling God knows how many copies because Chomene gave him that fatwa. There's literally celebrations where, have you seen these videos? There's around fire and they're throwing the book in fire.

They bought his book to burn it. They bought his book to burn it. That's exactly it. Amazon has a 10 pack for those of you who are going to the inferno this afternoon. Well, ironically, what's making me think of is just free market capitalism is because, look at prohibition.

There's no more liquor in America. That's it. Well, what happened? People were making moonshine in their bathtubs. So this is one of those things where it's like, no, no, don't, don't, don't look over here. No, Salman Rushdie. It's like, that's just gonna empower more people to be like, international bestseller. But when you try to outlaw things, black markets emerge. And not that he needed a black market to sell his books. But if you try to stomp out something, it's going to reemerge as something else. And that's the problem that I run as well. Did you hear what happened with J.K. Rowling? When J.K. Rowling goes up there and she says,

you know, I hope he's okay. She says this twitter uh... horrifying news feeling very sick right now let let him be okay and somebody responded on twitter a guy named uh... mirror as if as he's it replied don't worry you are next okay as is a reporter iran back is lamas extremist praise and rush these attack her this is it's mean and by the way'm curious, did this person get banned on Twitter or are they still active on Twitter, Tyler? Do you know this?

Of course they're still active. I'm trying to find the article now. Yeah, find that out though. It's, it's, it's a. The kid deleted his account. I don't think Twitter did anything. I think the kid deleted his account. Well Pat, can I ask you a question being from,

being that you're from Iran? Yeah. And that you're a Christian. And that you had to leave the country after the Iranian Revolution. What have you experienced in terms of, I'm not saying that you've had a fatwa, but you ain't going back to Iran anytime soon.

I'd love to go. Exactly. Exactly. What's your experience as a Christian from Iran and where's this story kind of fit into it all? Well, I mean, this is why we live in America. This is why we escape to come over here. Because stories like this in Iran, it's not saying it's every day,

but it's normal. You don't say anything about the regime in Iran. Period. Say anything about how many Iran see what happens. Say anything you want. The other day, women were doing a march and taking down their, you know, a job and all of a sudden, I don't know if you saw this video or not, shots fired. These are ladies just doing a basic protest in March and saying, hey, we don't

want to wear the hijab. I mean, it's just the game is a different game of imposing fear for you to shut your mouth. And that's their way of weaponizing the people. It's just straight up what a gunner we're going to kill you. Can't destroy you. In America, the way they're doing it is a different way. In America, the way they do it is they'll take your voice away from you. They'll censor you. There's different methods to kill a man.

Kill a man. It's not just the life. Life is, I ask a friend of the day about Trump and what's going on. And they said, if this last thing with FBI doesn't work, there's only one thing left. Yeah, exactly. If this thing with FBI doesn't work, there's only one thing left. And the way they'll do it is, again, this is just a pure story that was given to me. The way they'll do it is having another country do it that would make sense to not have it beyond America's

You know on on internal political party, but deep state. Yeah, so anyways, we know a clay Harvey Oswald and Cuba Sir hand sir hand There's many creative ways Yeah, and we're trying to get in touch with the guy, but there's many ways You can do it anyways. That's a story with Simon Rushdie. Well, so real quick, Pat, how many more of these instances have to happen before the powers of B actually wake up and have a conversation about this?

Like this insider article, no motive had been identified, right? Twitter doesn't want to ban this person that threatened JK Rowling. Bill Maher even said, I'm going to quote him here, don't come at me when you say Islamophobia, when you say phobic, just a way to shut off, to vape. And it's not Islamophobia. But when are the powers that be gonna actually

have a conversation about, is this a violent religion? Does it come with violence? As Adam said, to people who have been headed for drawings of the prophet of Muhammad, Ion Hirsali made a film, the director of the film, something van Gogh was stabbed to be headed. How many more of these things have to happen

before we actually have this conversation? When you get people like Bill Mar, who start saying things like this, and all of a sudden people on the left, and people on the right, not the left, the Democrats, and some folks on the right, start agreeing on things like this that's purely common sense,

that's when you have to do something, period, because let's just say I'm in the NBA, let's just say I'm part of this community, right? And behind closed doors, a superstar hasn't happened in the NBA yet, because everybody that talks Orlando Magic, 6-11, you know. Jonathan Isaac, yeah, you're not a superstar, so you have nothing to say, you want to stand up good for you. Ian is canter. Yeah, you're nobody. And not you're a nobody, we've had a mario you're not

a voice actually i think he may i don't know if he was an all-star but he's had fourteen ten stats he's at decent that's okay i don't know so he's a sixty million dollar your guy guy and i don't know what it's not no longer in all-star you're right but but if a if in the m the NBA all of a sudden a guy comes out like Yannis and says something they have to listen to him okay and away Yannis says it in a very gentle way he would not say it in the way that you know Lebron would say shut up chump shut your mouth chump I don't know what he said you know Steph Curry doesn't want to show up anyways or

whatever he said to you know if somebody somebody like Janice comes out in a respectful manner, if some of these stars come out and do that, the entire league has to take notice until that happens. When Bill Mark comes out and says this, you have to take notice because Bill Mark is an all-star. He's not just an all-star. Bill Maurez, a superstar in a media space. So when super stars like him on the left or Democrats come on a start saying things like this, you're kind of cornered. Are you talking about radical Islam specifically? Any argument. I'm not just

giving you radical Islam. Radical Islam is one of the topics. On any topic, when somebody from your base comes and says, I don't know that, I don't know. I think we have to do something about the sunpapet. Yeah, I think we got a problem here. You have to pay attention to it. Well, you remember the debate that happened on Bill Marshall regarding radicalism. Ben Affleck and Sam Harris.

Ridiculous. And who won their who lost their? Well, clearly Sam Harris won. Ben Affleck got very emotional and he goes, oh, so you're the expert on this. He's like, well, matter of fact, I am. I've written books on this and here's the reality. I've been Batman at the time, didn't look so strong,

but you brought up the concept of radical Islam. This is the only religion in the world where you run your mouth, you're gonna get killed. It doesn't happen Judaism, it doesn't doesn't happen Christianity doesn't happen Buddhism and I have a lot of Islamic friends Muslim friends respect got you know God bless you not coming at you But this is a point of concern. Excuse me You know what for the last 20 years running and you can go look this up You know it's the most persecuted group on this planet

Muslims by other Muslims? No, Christians. Yeah, that's right. Go look it up. Go look at, for another time. What do you mean for another, now's the time, make your point. Christians around the world are the single most persecuted and exterminated group on basis of pure faith.

You look at what's happened in Darfur, you look what's happened in Indonesia, that there is a genocide that's going on here. The first country in this world that was a single identity, single identity, not polytheistic, but single identity Christian was Armenia and suffered a genocide that still no president of the United States has stated it was a genocide. You go back and you go back and look, Biden actually did come out and say something

in the beginning of his presidency. I think you recall that. Biden did say something about the beginning of his presidency. I think you recall that Biden did say something about it shockingly enough. Can I say one thing? Yeah, before I think about the Islam piece, Islam has a bunch of problems. Their religion in my view has not evolved the way the other two Abrahamic faiths have evolved. And the the the the tenant of violence is obvious. I don't think that it's Islam Islamic phobic or prejudice or racist to just acknowledge the tenants of what

you see before you. However, it does occur to me that as I watch the mainstream media pit all sides against the middle, that the criticism of Islamic, even in the conservative movement, somewhat of our own weak faith, because let's take the Afghans for example. When the Afghans say, and this is also a double cross a triple cross an example of that, it's people taking the Lord's name in vain, but they're right to take the Lord's name. It's just what they do with it is wrong. It's the same way America in its early stages are founding fathers took the Lord's name in vain, right? We Christians have a better religion than you so it gives us

the right to persecute and kill you, build a civilization based on our faith. So I'm not a religious zealot. I can see where the errors of religion take, you know, great shape. Tor Kamata. But the Afganese, for example, are they wrong to say that we want the West out of our culture,

out of our everyday life, that we want the contemplative to be at the center of our life? And, you know, there's a subtle racism in it, and I don't mean to say racism, or culturalism, whatever you want to say. When we go, yeah, but that third world life you live in the mountains with the goat and the hut, that's not really living, right? I mean, there's a real arrogance and supremacy and anti-humanism in it. And that's what Ben Affleck was trying to say in that Bill Mar piece, but he was saying it in a sort of weird, perverted, distorted, liberalism, fake vocollywood way, because he doesn't have the depth to really touch at the real issues,

because he's on the same grift, on the same teeth of the people who are pressing the samalis, who are pirate in the samali wall. That was us. So there's a rightful criticism of the Islamic world, of the West, of trying to encroach and create this stage of economic imperialism and cultural invasion. The question is, what is their response? What's a proper response? What's a righteous response?

It's never a righteous response to kill innocent people in the name of God. And that's where Islam, I think, has strayed egregiously from the path of genuine faith is. think has strayed egregiously from the path of genuine faith is it my understanding, even of the Islamic faith, nowhere, nowhere is a reasonable read of the Quran, you know, allow for somebody to kill innocent people in the name of God. And if they have perverted in that way, then it's way off the mark. So, But we have to also, as Westerners, as Americans, go on forward in the America First Movement, even realize that we provide the canvas for them

to weaponize Islam in their part of the world. They get to reasonably say, hey, look, the Americans, they're security-state warmongers. And we are. And we have been. And if we pull ourselves out of there, we allow the radical Islamists to show who they really are to their people and not use us as an excuse. So that's... I mean, look at the quote from the Iranian newspaper to your point about using God as the righteous way to do righteous things on behalf of God. The hand of the man who tore Salman Rushdie's neck, his neck, the aka God's enemy must be kissed, a thousand bravo's to the brave and dutable person.

So they're using God as a scapegoat or their justification for why this apostate should be killed using God. Do you think God is actually looking down on Salman Rushdie and saying that he's the enemy and he should be killed? According to, you know, Sharia law, he is, I guess. That's, I take that, that's my interpretation of using it, taking the Lord's name in vain. Yeah.

Yeah, Pat. Are we ready for Marlago to get into it? Let's go to Marlago. Marlago. Okay, it's only 45 miles away anyways if we wanted to drive there, but it's better let's just do that on the podcast. For, yeah, maybe, maybe, maybe a little more. I actually maybe be six months.

Less than an hour away. Yeah, there's a lot of people there right now. You see it? They're all over the place. So I'll tell you, it's real quick, for six months after the election, I would come down through Palm Beach. I went north to Indian Town, Florida.

And I tell you, six months every day, people would be bridge after bridge after bridge on 95 South. Just hang in there, 10, 12, 15 people. Everybody had a flag. Everybody was representing. Everybody was out for Trump. It's crazy.

The people that will go out to Trump, to Palm Beach, to this area in support. Tyler, you were one of them. What are you talking about? You didn't just drive by, you were there. Listen, sorry boy, don't make me. With your sign, stop to steal. We all know you were there, Tyler.

It's like you want to kind of defend the people. I don't have a sign, I just have my time too. You were there, exactly. That's okay. Okay, so before we even read some of these stories, Adam, what do you think in with what happened there? What am I thinking? Yeah, when you saw the story about the FBI,

we didn't do this live. We were at an event. I was in Las Vegas when this took place. Adam nowhere when Trump wrote it on Truth Network, where we just got, the Marlago was rated. FBI agents came in. They took a number of boxes, 27 boxes removed from Marlago 11 of which contained classified documents as what they're saying four sets were marked as top secret

Three of them were marked at secret and three others were marked confidential and then you hear all this stuff and then trumps as on true social number one It was all declassified. Number two, that it need to seize anything. They could have had it any time they wanted without playing politics and breaking into Marlago. It was in a secret storage with an additional log put on as per their request. They could have it had it any time they wanted. And that includes long ago, all they had to do was ask the bigger problem is what are they going to do with the 33 million pages of documents many of which are classified that president Obama took to Chicago and in a summer saying it's some nuclear

information was there and then they said why wouldn't the FBI lied inspection of areas of Marlago with our lawyers or others present made them wait outside in the heat wouldn't the FBI lie to inspection of areas of Marlago with our lawyers or others present Made them wait outside in the heat wouldn't let them get even close that absolutely not so the Insinuation the claims they're making is there may have been some Nuclear documentation and they're potentially but when you saw this was a first thoughts Most people have their mind made up on Trump already. Nobody's gonna be watching this and be like, okay, based on this story, how do I feel about Trump?

You either feel that he is a national treasure or national hero and that's what side you're on or that you think that he's a national security risk. Straight up. So, if you wanna kinda look at the left and the right on this, you can say, all right, this is politics. Try to reason. Try to reason. Exactly.

I mean, I'm just trying to be in the middle here. Just try to reason. Most America, you know, they're weaponizing the Justice Department and then it's basically just sort of political theater and that, or then there's other side of the coin that's basically saying, no, these are legitimate concerns. These are very serious charges. What are they breaking the Espionage Act? And, you know, basically obstruction of justice.

So, at the end of the day, everything's gonna fall on Merrick Garland. He's the one who signed off on this. I think the first couple of days, they were like, how did this happen? Who's the person, the DOJ, what's going on? Merrick Garland, who infamously was passed up for a Supreme Court's Justice under Obama, Mitch McConnell.

We all know that story. Oh, no, no, no, he got over that. Yeah, exactly. So is it, is it feeling better now? Right. But I don't think he took this lightly. When he signed, I'm not on no, Mark Garland personally, I don't know where his mentality is at.

But when he signs off on this, he has to realize, oh, shit. This is some serious stuff. You don't think, you don't think, you're rating the, the home of the president, ex president, serious stuff. You don't think about it. We are rating the home of the President X, President United States. You don't think Biden, no. I don't know. I don't want to speculate if Biden is. So let me ask the question. I know, I mean, I generally don't know.

Percentage-wise, I know you don't know, but percentage-wise. So think about it if you're going to do something, Garland. You're going to do something for the first time and it's never, ever, happen before, ever, happen before. And it's under your watch as a president. Would you want me, Garland, to call you? Or would you want me to do it, I call on you? If you're saying it, or is it likely that Biden knew?

Yes, it's probably likely. I don't know. So it is likely that he knew, likely. If you didn't know, what does it say? Let's just say he didn't know. If Biden didn't know, what does it say about Biden? Who's running the show? It shows weak leadership if you don't know.

First of all, for you to go out there and do- I don't know, for the record. I don't know what Biden knew or didn't know. I'm just saying that this comes on to Merrick Garland. He's the one who signed off on this. He's the attorney general. I get that, but I'm talking. The Department of Justice falls under him. I'm just saying that this comes onto for Mayor Garland. He's the one who signed off on this. He's the attorney general. I get that. But I'm talking.

The Department of Justice falls under him. I'm talking. Did Biden know? Yeah, maybe. I don't know, but we don't know that. That's not what I'm asking you. It's try to reason with me. So if he didn't know, okay, assume you're Biden.

I'm Garland. I do this. Knowing the opposing side is gonna say, well, you know, they're trying to hurt their number one contender, et cetera, et cetera, would you not wanna know before I do something? Yeah, agree with you. Yes, so you would probably wanna know. Now, if I say, guarantee that he knows, I don't know. Now, let me ask you a second question.

Say, I intentionally did it without telling you. That'd be messed up. Correct. Not only would it be messed up, but secondly, it would mean what? You're a nobody that you don't have control that you don't have control So just so you know if they take the position of or Biden had nothing to do with it weak leadership If they take the position of I've ever taken it say loose loose no matter which way so that one is the next one now here's the other part If it's so classified why do you wait 18 months?

That is the one thing for me. Easiest question. Forget all the conspiracies, forget everything. I have one question. If we're really here to protect we the people, whoever that is, of whatever party, at whatever time in history, it's really here to protect we the people,

why wait 18 months? I erase all the conspiracies, everything like that. I even reasoned in my mind just like you said, did Biden know? Did he? Not no good Lord. What's going on here? But I come down to, why did you wait till now? If this was really a problem, and you were really worried about that woman who coulda or probably was a Chinese spy

with the hidden camera. Hidden camera. In Marilago that they found. That they found a lot of ghosts. Oh my gosh, there was a potential Chinese asset there, 18, as oh my gosh there were there was a potential Chinese asset there 18 20 30 months ago as a potential Chinese asset this could be classified stuff we got to go over there right now Isn't that the way the government should respond? So why do we wait until now

What well they have had a communication with Trump's lawyers? It didn't just come out of nowhere apparently they were like hey, you got to return the whatever and then he's like Yeah, wait, we've already done Adam Adam let's let's reason through this point you're right there was a lot of reasoning and discussion done and back at it back and forth but if it was a national security issue of nuclear secrets of level one there is no reasoning it's go protect the republic and bust down the door including the one with

the extra lock and get that stuff and put it someplace safe. Secure. So that to me, that to me sounds reasonable to do that, right? If it's, if you're saying it's such a national security, you know, risk you waiting 18 months shows a lack of responsibility and leadership. Again, so go both ways. Go say it is. Okay. And you waited 18 months. Week leadership. Go say it's not. And you waited. So both ways you're losing leadership and irresponsible. Yeah. Week leadership and irresponsible. The other part is when Andrew Como comes out and he says, do you understand? He comes out and he said, do you must immediately explain, he comes out and he said,

DOJ must immediately explain the reason for its rate. And it must be more than a search up in consequential archives, or it will be viewed as a political tactic and undermine any future credible investigation and legitimacy of January 6th investigation. This is what Cuomo said. Now, a pundit came out and said the following,

Cuomo's wrong, DOJ doesn't have to explain anything they never announced they searched marla go trump did he's the one who politicized it by stealing documents refusing to return the documents and pretending to be the victim after he broke the law okay so that's the argument being made and cloma by the ways a guy that can't stand trump for him to say what he's saying. Now, and he also just redid all the floors in his house. He doesn't always have FBI guys with their boots running around.

Bill Marce said the following. Bill Marce said FBI rate might have saved Margar Trump from losing to the Santas and GOP primary. Calling Trump the luckiest man in the world. His fortune was finally falling. The big lie was finally losing momentum. The Santas was beating him in the polls. You know how he hates this more than anybody.

The Santas, I had this one in the back and now I got a run against President Martyr. Bill Martz says as the impersonating the Santas, Mart argued that the raid was saving Trump politically because it has caused all the Republicans to rally around Trump. So did this help or hurt Trump at all? Look, Trump's ceiling is 42%, whatever the number is. The bigger question, the number one, I don't think that DeSantis would beat Trump in a primary, in a general. I've been very clear. I'd much rather have a DeSantis rather than a Trump. I think the question that the Santas would beat Trump in a primary, in a general. I've been very clear.

I'd much rather have a DeSantis rather than a Trump. I think the question that we all need to ask ourselves is whether you're a Trump supporter or not. Let's pretend I'm a Trump supporter for a second. I'm gonna put on my Trump hat. These things are not going to stop with Trump. Again, pretend I'm a Trump supporter. How many, like, look at the track record,

Russia, Russia, Russia, impeachment number one, impeachment number two, quid pro quo, January six, interaction, Mar-a-Lago, what gives you the idea that if there's four more years of Trump, this nonsense isn't gonna go on. Again, if I'm on team Trump, and I'm saying, I love Trump, he's the best president ever, he's making America great again, that's amazing.

At some point, the exhaustion and the fatigue as I said, and it's like, holy shit. Everywhere this guy goes, there's another drama, whether it's shooting himself in the foot or whether it's basically the leftist agenda that's coming after him. But the reality is, every few months, there's another Trump saga drama.

You're talking about Hunter Biden again. Get back to Trump. I don't know what that means. However, it's so awesome. What you just said, it's so exhausting with Trump. Again, pretend I'm on team Trump here every three months, every six months, there's going to be another political drama that you're going to have to run through. But you say that it's going to, as though these are Trump's doings. I'm just again, pretending I'm a Trump fan. This is the reality. There's another impeachment coming down the road. There's another, if you're pretending,

there's another drama going on. That's great. I'm just talking to what they're saying. The Trump fans are not saying that I'm saying. No, I'm saying, they're saying that you're all a facts. You're talking to your Tom. No, hang on. Everything I just said was not my opinion.

You hang on. Everything I've just said is exactly what happened. Did he not go through two impeachments? Did he hold the whole thing? It was not so let me let me ask you question you're not saying Whether those things were true or not all your saying is a Trump brings a lot of drama that's what you're saying for more you're not you're saying Russia was a hoax You're saying the impeachment didn't really do anything that just happened is just expect more of it is just to expect more of it. Okay, so then let's promise that. The premise also is a Trump person.

Your premise is a Trump person is going to say, gosh, all these things are too fatiguing. That's not what the, that's not what Maga said. Maga says all these things are being voice did against our hero. They're not saying I'm fatigued. So that's my point. My my simple point there, you hang on, right, was that the Trump fans are not saying they're fatigued. They are saying they're fatigued. They're tired. It's the liberal establishment trying to attack their boy. I just go go for it. I disagree with that. I think there is some fatigue in the magma movement. And there has to be. And it's gone.

Unrightfully so. I think the response to people weaponizing the truth and manipulating and using it to try and bully you into emotional fatigue should be opposed vehemently. You should never give way to somebody who's marked you out and said, if we just keep lying enough, this personal ride off into the sunset, we won't have to worry about them. That's how you lose a country. That's how you lose a country in grand fashion, which we have. But I do see as a rising voice in the America first movement and the Maga movement in that circle that many people are criticizing Trump, not necessarily for the rightful criticisms that there are, but more along the lines of these contextual, well,

if he runs again, then we have to look forward to more of this. And it would just be better if DeSantis had his day. And you know, my concept of it, again, going back to earlier is the greater scope of it is the people who we oppose, the forces that are coalesced against us spiritually, politically, ideologically, emotionally, whatever. They are opposed to Donald Trump at a deep level. It's not him. He's just his current scapegoat. If the Santos wins and he got in, there would be no way that they would look more favorably on the Santos and not try the same tactics on him unless he abandoned an America first position, which he might. And I'm on team front, but I'm going to say something that the Mauga movement might now like right now. This is all moral hazard to what I was telling you earlier when you don't tell the truth,

when it's time to tell the truth and fight and die for the things you believe in, when it's time to, that it comes back to bite you. And we talked about this 10, 20, 50 hypothetical time horizon. Well, Donald Trump's time horizon on moral hazard just knocked on his door right now. And it was only a few years later. Because what he didn't do as America first, as he was, as trade, as he was, as immigration, as he was, as anti-liberalism,

church of LGBTQ, drain the swamp, as he was, he didn't deconstruct the administrative state. He didn't gut the intelligence communities. And he should have. And he had the juice to at least He didn't deconstruct the administrative state. He didn't gut the intelligence communities. And he should have. And he had the juice to at least lie before. But even he, in a flawed manner, and again, I support him running as the candidate in 24 for the GOP

and becoming a president, I think the country needs him right now. But we don't want an echo chamber in the America first movement And any maga supporters who want an echo chamber and don't like anybody who has any criticism of Trump. They're not real Americans. They're cooks He should have deconstructed the administrative state. He should have fought harder to deconstruct the the Security state But he didn't because he likes his security. And in trying to move these institutions, we all fall victim to our own personal relevance to them. And this is the moral hazard. He actually believed that the military was behind

them when he was a president. And then our guy, Millie, was talking to China behind his back. He was never with him, right? Bar, betrayed him. All of these people that were in these positions betrayed him. And he actually was pretty moderate. Like, I can tell from the things that he went for and the things that he said and the people who I know were behind him and the spirit of what he really was trying to do, he was moderate on and he tried to do that to appeal to a centrist You know more centrist Spirit and it bit him in the butt now the security states coming after him and who's gonna who's gonna help him? Who is there to help them?

The Republican establishments in on it Mitch McConnell would love to see Donald Trump's head up on a pike You know that there aren't enough I love to see Donald Trump's head up on a pike. You know, there aren't enough consistent, reliable America first movements in the entire United States Congress to protect him from a weaponized military security state. That's the moral hazard. He should have busted up the administrative state, but he didn't because the people around him, that he put around him to advise them, said, be moderate. We don't need all of the antics on these

certain things. And the security state was wonderful. The head of the FBI should go. The head of the CIA should go. The head of the NSA should go. The head of the DOD should go. After Afghanistan, that hold it back. The head, the whole thing should be gutted. But they hit us with the fear monitoring. They go, if we gut all these security state institutions, you'll be in mortal danger. You won't survive 24 hours if we get rid of these people. These are the people who have stolen the country and Donald Trump swallowed the victim to it just now. Well, he appointed the head of the FBI Christopher Wray.

It's on him. Absolutely. So look yourself in the mirror. But you got it. But also when you're in that position and you go to appoint people as heads of agencies A lot of the suggestion comes from the peanut gallery Right, I don't think you're vetting every single appointee for every single agency in a thorough manner individually How could you you don't have the time so you rely on the people around you and some of the people around you are?

Shills globalist spooks and some of the people around you are, chills, globalist, spooks. And so he has to sort that out. I support him and I think we need him to win in 24, but I'm not gonna hold my tongue and dance around the fact that this is the moral hazard from some of his decisions. And now that's why he's coming out and saying, I never thought this could happen.

I know you didn't think it could happen. I did when George Floyd popped off in Minnesota, I said the state has become tyrannical and Donald Trump was the president at that time. See, when Donald Trump ran on sovereignty, I really understood the deeper meaning of sovereignty. He understood it at his level and his scope. Now, the true sense of sovereignty is biting him

because our security state should never be able to be weaponized politically against a former president. That's tyranny. But here we are. Who's gonna stop it? Who's gonna stand up and say, gut these institutions, irregardless of if it puts us in danger from the Iranians?

I don't sleep well at night with the belief that if the CIA director isn't there, then the Iranians are going to bomb us in the middle of the night. No, because I'm a true American. This nation is a nation of shopkeepers, independent business owners, and a second amendment. You secure your own freedom. You wait for some shadow group, a name the CIA, a for some shadow group named the CIA of faceless people

that do more killing of faceless individuals around the world than they do protecting to secure your freedom. But Donald Trump is a victim of that as well. New York City Businessman is successful, built as well. The protection of the shadow is there. And whatever it is that they're doing

and their expertise is protecting me. It's okay till you wake up one day and you're in there there's line of sight. Yeah response. Yeah well not I'm hearing out Royce over here but if you're saying gut all these institutions FBI, CIA, DOJ, everything, America needs leadership. So what happens if you gut leaders? Yeah, no, we have a crisis of leadership.

We need new leaders in those positions. It's just about what's the criteria and our security state and our intelligence communities have become a side arm or a side car of the move towards world governance. And there's no doubt. Actually, let's say it this way. The whole global, a lot of people say

the globalism thing is a China enterprise. I see it differently. We are the center of the globalist agenda. Us, our security state. We, our security state, and these agencies have actually betrayed the American people by partnering with the European monarchy and putting China up as the figurehead or the public face symbol of globalism.

But it's really us. We're doing it with the Chinese. You don't sell off. You don't give away your economy to a foreign country by accident. This is what I meant when I said Kissinger was really a Democrat. What they did in China in the 70s

by opening up China as the great new horizon, and taking us off the gold standard in the same term, isn't by accident. Who would believe that's by accident? You would have to believe these people are idiots. And I don't. I don't think Kissinger is an idiot and I don't think Nixon was. Let's play this out. What happens here? What happens next? Let's play the game of what you think will happen next. What do you think will happen next here? Does this help Trump? Does this hurt Trump? Does this get Trump and which by the way, the one thing that would be not the best thing does this actually make the

Sanctus consider being a running mate with Trump does this bring those two together because time What do you think if those two united? Okay, imagine if Trump and the Sanctus are like look man If there's one time ever where you and I let's just do this together I'll go one term you take terms, and let's go run together. Do you think this unifies Trump and the Santas at all? I think it has to, but I actually, there was a really interesting pairing that I saw suggested the other day was Donald Trump and Marjorie Taylor Green. I thought it was, now I'm not a big fan of MTG

But but you said something the other day that that DeSantis and Trump are both type A personalities I don't know I first of all I don't think Ronda Santas would make the mistake of running against Trump at a primary I think he knows exactly what would happen. I think he looks at Ted Cruz your your wife looks like a dog and like he He knows that I don't think there's any way we're on the sand. I'm not asking. I'm not asking, I'm asking, does this because here's the big concern, is those two going up against each other, right? The way the left is going to do it is divide and conquer.

You got to pin those two against each other. Right. You have to do that. Bingo. It has to be strategic. Does this unify those two to say we're both alphas, but let's do this together for four years. I think it unifies them, but I don't think it puts them together. I think I really think actually that the Santa stays

in as governor of Florida, he stays in Florida and Trump picks another solid running. I as nice as it would be and I think it's powerful as it would be, I don't see that happening. I wonder. Because what purpose does it serve serve what purpose does it serve to remove ronda santa's as the strongest governor in the nation of the strongest state in the nation right now to put him as the vice president and then who would

backfill him who would backfill ronda santa's and who how can we guarantee that who backfill ronda santa's keeps florida as it is florida is a beacon right now don't think selfishly think if you you lived in Tennessee. Forget about Florida. Think you're living in Idaho. You're not living in Florida. Think America more than you think about the state we're living in today. Does this bring those two together?

It should. I think it should. I think it won't. Because in my concept, DeSantis is another one who is playing the game of political strategy in his career. His individual career has a, you know, he's taking a lot of risks, put his neck on the line on principle, and I respect that.

I respect many of the things Ron DeSantis has done in a time of crisis, he held the breach and that's something to be, that's commendable. But to what degree must be measured against the circumstance we're in. And if he really believes that we're under attack the way he says he does, if he really, if all of these people, Donald Trump too, if all of these people really believe that America's existence with our foundational values and ideas is facing the existential threat that it does, all of them have to put their ego aside and their ambitions. That's something a good Christian faith would give them.

It's not about me. It's not about me running in 24. It's about what's best right now for we the people. And for we the people, a desantis Trump ticket would say that all of the tangential political, ancillary strategy and trajectories and me in 24 or 28, none of that matters. We're going to stand side by side based on sacred honor, but they're going to have trouble coming to that because neither one of them think that way. And their behavior up until this point has proved that. They think along the lines of political strategy. That's part of the reason why Trump endorsed a bunch

of candidates who don't even really, who aren't really America first, but he did it and they end up winning. I know, yeah. And the MAGA people are raising, but they're like, I mean, I'm seeing it on the grassroots level and the, you know, the Trump is a strategist, Trump is not,

yeah, he's not at your level of, his method of getting things done is very different than the way you get it done and Into my point though his people betrayed him the first time and he hasn't learned yet and I pray at night That going into this next election cycle. He will have a change of hard and mind because his people Betrayed him when you think strategy too much sometimes You're too smart for your own good. Yeah, but people, so then what Jesus was not the, his people betrayed him. Yes. So that is part of the game. The part of the game is betrayal. Betrayal is part of

the level you're competing at. You're not going to be able to stop betrayal. No, man, it happens that the higher you move up, more, it's gonna hurt, but it's gonna happen. No doubt. So he's playing out at different level, and it's very normal for that. I understand the way I'm explaining it, doesn't make sense like, what do you mean it's supposed to be normal?

It's very normal. At that level. And I'm, though, my criticism is just to, because most of the criticism against me is, well, you started off leading these peaceful protests for George Floyd, which were really more about corporate talk, was he not about racism and political. But it was framed that way and now they go,

well, now you're just a show for Donald Trump or the far right, I'm like, no, I mean, there's criticism to go around. And Donald Trump has a fair share that he should reasonably get. But you're right, at that level, just like I said about him picking the proper, even the Attorney General, Bill Barr was probably a bad pick. But he trusted him and he came up short

and we're all gonna do that. Who around Donald Trump has not disabandoned him? Who around Trump? Who? I think Steve Bannon did a I mean Bannon as far as Trump called him sloppy Steve And basically wrote him up but that's Trump talking to Steve. That's not Steve talking against Trump And actually Steve did very this is why I actually filed this is why I was injured besides that Steve is nail on the gun when it comes to the issues trade China

Most things mean him to a few things too, but most things. When Donald Trump lashed out at him and he said, not that's my guy. That's my guy. I'm an Irish boy from West Virginia. We talk to each other. I've heard worse with my brothers around the kitchen tape. But that's my guy. I'm sticking by him.

That's sacred honor. That's, but doesn't sticking by him. That's sacred honor. That's... Yeah, but doesn't sacred honor work both ways? Sometimes it doesn't. Your sacred honor is about you. It's not dependent on how I act in the world to most degree shouldn't be based on what he does. Now, if he threatens me with a gun

and I have to react physically to what he's doing in real time, there's one thing. But on principle and idea, who I am shouldn't be contingent on who he is or what he says. I have to hold my own value. So I think Steve did a great job, and he stuck with it, mean, even to this day. Other than other people named Trump,

and maybe Kellyanne Conway, who was there six years ago? None of them. That's still going to be there in 2024. Very few. And why is that? To be honest, I think many of those people were really in it for themselves anyway. They were banwagon riders. They weren't they weren't patriots anyway. I'm not saying that that's why they left them, but I don't really believe like a con ways husband. He's another Democrat. George Conway. husband. He's another Democrat. George Conway?

Yeah, he's a Democrat. These people are real conservatives anyway. So a lot of the things that Trump was trying to push us towards are a little more radical even than he lets on in the public sphere because he was trying to appease this group of people that were, was around him. Can I say something Adam? Okay. So very good question you ask., so very good question you ask.

Okay, very good question you ask. Where it gets the audience, let's just say the audience says, why didn't they stick around? Okay, so his argument is what? They were not really fully true believers that were in and more for themselves. Okay, let's just say, I give that argument 5, 10%.

I don't give that argument 80% credibility, by the way. Let's say the other side is, because Trump is just so hard to work with. He fires everybody. I mean, he had a show, the whole show was all about what? You're fired, and he's all about himself. So if you're not with him 100%, he fires you. How much credibility you give to that?

Say you give 20%, 30% credibility to that. Whatever it is. Fine, let's go there and let's say this guy is not the right guy to be a president, he can't keep people around, his retention sucks, and he's not picking the right people. So as much as you say the FBI, you pick these guys, right? So the person who picks them also gets judged for your ability to not choose the right person. You gotta be able to hire the right people, right? So the person who picks them also gets judged for your ability to

not choose the right person. You got to be able to hire the right people, right? Okay. You can't find your team. But let me tell you where I go here. Let me tell you where I go here. If he's that terrible of a candidate, then guess what? Leave it alone. You're going to win Democrats. So if he is who you say he is the way you pose that question, then why are the Democrats so afraid of this guy? That's a great story. So, so then to me, it comes back to if that's the candidate, like you know how, okay. So say Trump would have ran against Michelle, not Hillary. Who wins? So in 2016, it's not Hillary. It's Michelle. Who wins? I think Michelle, huh? I think Michelle. I don't know about that. Let me ask you a different question. Say you was Obama's second term. Who wins? Obama by landslide. Say it's Obama's first term.

Who wins? Obama. Okay. Say itates Clinton against Trump who went Clinton okay? Dude, do you see what I'm going with this? Here's what I'm going with this the point I'm trying to make is The right was like hell yeah Hillary is running Hell to the yeah Hillary is running why? Because she's beatable because she's beatable. She's unlikeable. She is fake. She is There is like there's nothing about her. That's like man. I want like you know the part about Obama You're like, dude, you know what? Republican showed up to the first you know

Inorganization when he gave this speech because it was like dude first African you know how many Republicans and they should show up But no, no, it's not they should it's not should. There's no such thing as should. I'm saying Republican voters showed up, not the leaders. People showed up to say, dude, freaking I'm witnessing history. There was something you liked about Obama, nothing like a well about Hillary, okay? So the Republicans are like, shit,

we have Hillary runs, go run, run, run, run. Why aren't Democrats feeling that way? If you say he's such a bad candidate, he should kind of like it's art of war. You know, sometimes you got to get out of the way the enemy when he's falling. Go right out of the place. Why don't you do that? Why don't you do that? If he's such a bad candidate, get out of his way. You're right. Step back on it. So Rex is not about him. It's the ideas that they're afraid of. Well, to me, to me, they know that it's deeper than him. I think, I think to me, here's what I think to me is.

To me is, this guy is an operator, and operators are intimidating. You know why operators are intimidating? Because operators don't just say things to say them. Biden will say things to get elected. Every 90% of people that are runoff for office, they'll say whatever they can to get elected. Because the history is about what?

It's about who got elected, right? Every once in a while, you find a person that, you know how they say, I'm gonna kick your ass, they're actually gonna kick your ass. Okay, those types of people are very scary. So the only thing that he made a point that makes you think is the following. So let's just say, you know,

how different are Trump and the Santas? If they're pushing this hard for Trump to be eliminated because they want to indict him, so he can't run, what they're really saying is we would much rather face off the Sanstice and face off Trump's right you think the Democrats would rather face the same saying a person if oh I totally disagree well that but that's your original opinion but but but but but let's just be an opinion but go to find it's your opinion but let me say this part to you. If you are saying he lost all these people, if you are saying, why did he fire all these people? If you are saying all

these are bad judgment, isn't that a terrible candidate? Yeah. So why are you getting in his way? Well, look, they're not just going to sit back and just let Trump do his thing. They're going to come after him. But Trump can't do anything right now. How he what can you do right now the president is a former president and who who in the white house like obama but you think you think you know how obama control the iris obama control the fp i obama control ciae who does he control nobody who does he have control over nobody who tell me who he has control over the military the maga community still but he still owns that but that doesn't to mean anything

Because policies cannot be changed on that all I'm saying is well He still has his tentacles on people in Congress like he's not that he might not be the king anymore I don't think so the king maker, but all I mean all his all his candidates won their election I get and you mean while you have Mike Pence kind of going against him and you know the Republican establishment. There's like these proxy wars going on. I want to believe that internal drama the Republican party. I'm taking the angle of your argument. Your argument is he's a terrible

candidate for the right. No, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying there's a ceiling with him. Okay. What's the ceiling 45%? So who's more intimidating to the left? Trump or DeSantis? To the left? To the left. I think DeSantis, number one, DeSantis doesn't have the, the star quality of Trump, not even close.

So I think we're kind of like conflating, who is it? Trump or DeSantis, it's like dude, it's not even freaking close. But however, in a general election, DeSantis is way more palatable to the general electorate than Trump. Shouldn't that scare the Democrats? I think so, yeah. Shouldn't they be more about let Trump run? I mean, they're not gonna just sit there and let Trump one. We already went over the list of things that they're trying to come out of them with. But then there's a contradiction in that argument. But why?

Yeah, then there's a contradiction in that argument. There's a contradiction in that argument. Okay. Uh, uh, uh, you know, as much as people said what they said about Obama, the right, that was a one person they didn't want to, you know, they're like, this guy could actually do something. Well, they're still gonna always try to bring Trump down.

No matter, like if he's at 45%, they're gonna want him at 40%. Tell me what president they've ever done it at this height. Nobody, that's my point. Okay. And that it's not going to stop. But why though is my question? Because they hate the guy. Why though?

For a billion different reasons. Tell me why though. Give me, give me five reasons. What he says, how he acts, how he conducts himself, you know, the illegal stuff that he's done, the lying, the maliciousness, the vindictiveness, the horrible attitude. I mean, the list goes on and on and on. The reasons why people on the left hate Trump, like I could write it. There's novels written about this stuff. Now, are they justified? That's a different question. Are all of those, are more of a reason to get out of his way

and let him run because he'll lose? If you are thinking he's that horrible of a candidate and a leader, you ought to let him run because you'll be the person. Well, wait, they can't, they can't, they can't, they can't do what, what they're really projecting is that they know that our entire election political system has become a retail politics game

of superficial personality traits. Okay, it's just the gravity of popularity. Okay, in one direction or another, they're scared of Trump for one reason. He's got gravity. They're uncomfortable with his gravity because it's hard for them to determine. It's hard for them to predict. It's unpredictable for them.

With Obama, it was a similar thing for the opposite reason. They like Obama's gravity, but they could measure it. They knew why he had the gravity. First black male, very good speaker, can't, you know, well polished, squeaky clean, is, you know, the most likable guy, right? They're afraid of Donald Trump because he's not a centrist.

And the most dangerous people in our society are not the people at the extreme as much as I dislike Ilhan Omar and would have really loved to unseat her. The most dangerous people aren't at the extremes. The extremes, in some way you could argue, and some people do that, the CIA kind of poses in extremes like the KKK.

Like who's really in the KKK anymore, right? I don't know. I live in Minnesota in the North. There's been folklore about the KKK my entire life. Never ran into one. White people I meet in Minnesota, it's nicest. They can be, they call me the in-word, behind my back when I'm not there,

but they don't do it in person. So the painting of the white supremacy, I don't see in the way they depict it. But the centrist are the most dangerous people. The centrist want an ever-expanding middle. They're the purveyors of the status quo. That's who Obama was. They love that.

The gravity towards the centrist and the society where people would much rather believe whoever, seeing entails me is gonna represent me, is gonna represent me. Then I could go back jerking off and getting high. We have a jerk off society. So the most dangerous people in the jerk off society are people who have gravity in a really superficial, you know, vector.

And Trump has that, right? Whether you're a supporter or not, you have to acknowledge that quality. He has that sort of gravity where people will vote for him without really even diving into his politics. They like the way he acts. They like to, write. So you have people to kind of do that. They don't delve into every single policy. But the problem with Trump is, let's say on two out of 10 issues, he's establishment. And I would say he is. Like I pointed out the administrative state.

I didn't think he went deep enough. I thought the trade thing with China, the 20% wasn't enough. But for the other eight out of 10 issues, you don't know what he's gonna do. He's unpredictable. And most of the time, he's going right against the establishment status quo. Obama was the flip.

Obama on eight out of 10 issues, nine out of 10 issues is gonna go for the establishment status quo. And on the one issue, he's gonna paint a picture like he's going and doing something transformative when really it's lukewarm at best, Obamacare, right, which is a super grift, right, for the government on the working class. I mean, Obamacare was a predatory move on the American working class in the healthcare

sector. No question. So, the centrist are dangerous is what I'm trying to say. And DeSantis, all due respect, it's a little. So the centrist are dangerous, is what I'm trying to say. And the santa's all due respect, it's a little more of a centrist. Well, and let's, I think there's a different angle you can take with this. I think Adam is right.

The Republican Democrat thing is weird. Like, I think it's different. I think you have your globalists and your populists. There you go. Okay, I think you can say that Nixon was a globalist or Kissinger was a globalist. Like, don't do the Republican Democrat thing. They were not there anymore

That's not how the parties work. I think Trump is a true populist at heart And I think the same reason they're so afraid of Trump is the same reason they were so afraid of Bernie is because Bernie was a populist Bernie had the will of the people at heart. Okay, and I think that's why people are the establishment the globalists Are so afraid of because they're afraid of the people. They know what the people are going to do with them. They know they're going to tear them apart. Can I make a point where we're here to go back to my, let me pay you a compliment, Pat. I know you don't like taking compliments, but, and this is, there's a Trump metaphor here,

and go ahead and tell me I'm an idiot and I'm wrong and I'm getting emotional. Go for it, but I'm going to pay you a compliment and you tell me how you're processing this. We just came back from your big event in Las Vegas. The same people that were with you when you started PHP 2009, whether it's George Palayo or Guy-Ton or Ricky and Erica, the names go down the list, whether it's Saipalo, who's more recent.

The same, Jonathan Mason, the names go on. The same people that were with you in 2009, when things were tough. We're not easy. You're having anxiety attacks. They're still with you on stage in 2022 saying, this is the reason that I'm here. This is my guy. Thank God we have Pat and are changing all these lives. And now there's 10,000, 20,000 people in an arena that are hearing people from 15 years ago who you started out with and they're still saying the same thing. And that to me is the definition of a leader, holy shit, the people that were with me 15 years ago when I had two nickels in my pocket and now have two million dollars in the bank,

wow, those people are still with me. Now what's my point? The problem that Trump has is all the people that were singing his praises in 2015, 2016, 90% of them are gone. Every single person in his administration, every general, every is attorney general, bill bars, vice president, who was a boot liquor to the extreme.

Mike Pence is no longer on his team So my point is what is the true definition of leadership? It's the person that that the people who believed in you are still With you rather than it being some sort of transactional. Hey, we're in we're out now And so that's the problem with Trump is my ultimate. Can I give can I give my rubot all on? Sure? Okay, so obviously I'm very thankful for that. But also at the same time, you have to know this. We came up together. So there's a difference between them knowing me at 30.

And you know, at 28, 25, 26, Mario's known me since I was 26 years old, 27 years old, right? Versus, he's never been in politics. So maybe that story is valid when it goes into real estate side because he's been in the real estate again 40, 50 years. I don't know. Okay, but in the politics side, when you go in and your first job in office is a president,

not Congress Senate governor president, maybe you haven't had that tenure to have built some of those deeper relationships where they're your guys that you can elect. The moment you go in, maybe some of the guys you pick are not your guys, there were other people's guys, and their loyalty is to that guy. Okay, so for example, like the guys that are with us that we built You know company with you know 10 years from now they may still be me Even though I may not be there Because the loyalty is with me

We built it together even though somebody knew me coming around the company gonna call me say hey the new guys doing this What do you think about this they're gonna call me these guys? He hired or not his guys? Karl Rowe somebody else's guy Karl Rowe. They are not his guys. There's somebody else's guy. Karl Rode. They're not his guys. Fair point. That's the only argument I'm making with this where I get it.

I know what you're saying, but dude, these guys have been, you're not gonna change a 62-year-old person's loyalty who's been in an industry politics for 32 years and you come in from real estate who has all the money, gets all the attention, gets all the girls. Oh, now you're the guy exactly who I hate. You're who I hate.

You're who I'm secretly envious of. You're who I'm extremely jealous of. You're the guy I don't like. I'll act like I like you. I don't like you. I can't stand you. I create laws against you. You are who I create laws against you. You are why I create laws against.

It's a very weird, dirty space that you get into, bro. And, you know, you have to play it in a very, very cautious way because people like this will flip because they're getting the next opportunity coming up. And they'll drop you in a heartbeat. Andrew Cuomo was got two years ago, guys. Two years ago, we were watching Cuomo brothers thinking they're gonna be Replacing Jimmy Kimmel and Fallon

We thought they were gonna be the late night show and then what happens both of them get fine Would you have even guessed? 24 months ago August of 2020 both Cuomo's are gonna be fired You would have guessed that one of them is gonna be a president way before you would have guessed that both of them is going to be a present and way before you would have guessed that both of them are going to be fired. This is a very weird world where betrayal is an art and some are comfortable with it, some are not. And if you enter that space, you have to have already been stabbed so many times in the back because you need that to be able to make it in that space. It's a very, very dark story. I hear you make a very valid point.

At the end of the day though character does matter And your character whether you were 26 and 43 now has not wavered The question that people have about Donald Trump is his character. I don't think anybody questions that that's fine to say that to say the character part fine no problem, but Brought as much as people want it, okay, for example, take somebody, George Soros, love him or hate him. What's the guy worth? 20 billion?

I don't know what the guy's worth. 20 billion. Say whatever you want to say about the guy. Talking to his financial advisor from UK right now. Say whatever you want to say about the guy. You don't like the guy? You don't like the guy? Go make 20 billion dollars.

You have to respect the 20 bill You don't like Pick another billionaire you don't like I don't base us. You don't like base us go build what he built go to a good luck to you Go ahead go you don't like any this professional sports owners go to what they did this is hard I can be tall and jump I'm going to sports. I cannot automatically win in business. It's very, very hard, right? Okay, to get to the levels he made it and have the parties he put.

And everybody wanted a party with the sky. He was on all the rap songs, two-pock, snoop, everybody. The day he announced he runs, now you hate the guy. Why? Because that makes me a little bit uncomfortable. That makes me a little uncomfortable to say. Yeah, so look you know you have we have to also be able to look past that to say wait Until 2014 he was a guy we wrapped about made shows about watch eyeballs with red books out of the deal That was a book and wait all that stuff we celebrated. Oh

Got it. You totally get it. I get it. Okay. Now you're going to lose control of all the political, you know, gold cards and platinum cards. You have to get into all the parties. You don't like that guy now. All right. Now, maybe you're the MV one that was a week and you don't like guys like this because you're jealous of me.

Okay. God, I see your weakness as well. No problem. So there has to be that balance between the two. It's all I'm saying. Anyways, our time's up. We're at 10.59 Royce. It's been a blast having you on.

You make some extremely deep points. The moments you were talking, where I was just, you know, with you the entire time where you were going with it, you made me think about a lot of the topics. Audience, I hope you enjoyed it as much as I enjoyed it. If you did, give it a thumbs up and subscribe to the channel. And he has a podcast and a new YouTube channel, I believe, that you just launched. Let's make sure put that in the description and the chat box folks. Go subscribe, follow his content. And once again, thanks for

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