PBD Podcast - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. | PBD Town Hall

Episode Date: December 7, 2023

Patrick Bet-David hosts presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. for the latest Valuetainment Town Hall. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is an American politician, environmental lawyer, activist, and Indepe...ndent candidate in the 2024 presidential election. Donate to RFK's 2024 Presidential Campaign: https://bit.ly/4863ffA Purchase Patrick's new book "Choose Your Enemies Wisely: Business Planning for the Audacious Few": https://bit.ly/41bTtGD Connect one-on-one with the right expert to get the answers you need with Minnect: https://bit.ly/3MC9IXE Get best-in-class business advice with Bet-David Consulting: https://bit.ly/40oUafz Visit VT.com for the latest news and insights from the world of politics, business and entertainment: https://bit.ly/472R3Mz Visit Valuetainment University for the best courses online for entrepreneurs: https://bit.ly/47gKVA0 Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! SUBSCRIBE TO:  @VALUETAINMENT   @vtsoscast   @ValuetainmentComedy   @bizdocpodcast  Want to be clear on your next 5 business moves? https://bit.ly/3Qzrj3m Join the channel to get exclusive access to perks: https://bit.ly/3Q9rSQL Download the podcasts on all your favorite platforms https://bit.ly/3sFAW4N Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome, ladies and gentlemen. Today we have a very special event. Many Americans are calling the 2024, the election, the most important of our generation, the future of our great nation hangs in the balance. Today, value-taming is hosting our second town hall with a candidate who come from one of America's most iconic political dynasties.
Starting point is 00:00:24 His commitment to justice and government transparency has ignited the spirit of positive change in millions of voters. But first, please tell me welcome to the stage a best-selling author who coached us through our next five moves and is now teaching us to choose our enemies wisely. Put your hands together right now for the founder
Starting point is 00:00:44 and CEO of Value Tamebitt and my friend Patrick Bet David! Yeah! Oh my god! How you doing? How you doing? Okay. Grab seats, grab seats.
Starting point is 00:01:02 So, the format is going to be an interest. I've been looking forward to this for a while. There's a couple of things I want you to know before we get started. One, I will go through my questions. Some of you have given your questions to Kelly. I will come through, whenever it comes time for you to come up, you will simply walk up over here.
Starting point is 00:01:20 If Vinnie hasn't already told you, you'll ask your question to the candidate, Bobby, and we will take it from there. But I want to properly introduce Bobby from my point of view, not the one that a lot of other people may be known of. Of course, we all know the last name, Kennedy. It's one of the greatest last names in American history, political history. When you say what is the most popular, famous last name in America, Kennedy is going to be
Starting point is 00:01:42 on that list. If you talk about somebody that a lot of people claim they wanna make the environment better, only a few people dedicated decades of their lives being an environmental lawyer, that's what he's done. I can go on and on and on talking about, imagine you being raised in an environment
Starting point is 00:01:58 where your father was assassinated, your uncle who was a president was assassinated, your father's supposed to be a president. He gets assassinated. He got all this stuff going on. And you choose to leave the Democratic party to run as an independent, no one Thanksgiving's going to be awkward with your family.
Starting point is 00:02:15 What everyone's going to say, what are you doing? We're Democrats. We're Kennedy's. You're not supposed to be doing this. There's a lot of things I can say about that. But I just want to tell you a story about why I realized who this man was. We may not agree on everything politically,
Starting point is 00:02:27 you're not supposed to. But I knew he was a true believer three and a half years ago, maybe four years ago, I'm in Dallas. He's going to remember this. He may remember this. I'm in Dallas. And Jennifer comes up to me telling me, babe, Seno's got to get all her vaccine shots.
Starting point is 00:02:46 I said, and, well, I'm trying to get an exemption and they're giving us a hard time on some of the vaccines. I don't want to get, what do we do? I said, baby, the kid's going to a private school. You can do whatever you want to do with this. She says, no, babe, they're not letting me do this. I said, well, it's 11 o'clock at night, by the way. I said, let me text, Bobby, he'll probably get back
Starting point is 00:03:02 to me tomorrow and maybe he's got any kind of feedback to give me. I text him, okay? We go to sleep, like, we'll probably get back to me tomorrow, and maybe he's got any kind of feedback to give me. I text him, okay. We go to sleep, we're ready to go to sleep. Two minutes later, he's calling me. I said, Bobby, what's going on? I said, Patrick, you can't do this. Let me tell you why.
Starting point is 00:03:15 He's on the phone with me, telling me what to do and what not to them, what options to consider as a parent. Then he's three way and other people. And for 45 minutes, we're on the phone, you're trying to figure out what to do with it. I get off the phone, it's midnight, I'm like, listen, we're in Texas. Texas is not Eastern Standard Time.
Starting point is 00:03:31 He lives in East Coast, maybe he wasn't there, but it's a babe. This guy just spent 45 minutes of his evening on the phone. We've never broke, right? It's not like I'm part of the family, we're best friends, we're hanging out all the time. We've never had that kind of a relationship. We met a couple times, we've done a couple podcasts together, shows together.
Starting point is 00:03:48 In that moment, I knew this man was a true believer. Obviously, two years later, he announces that he's running. So, would you agree with his policies or not? There's a lot of things we'll question here today. There's a lot of things we'll talk about today. You have to respect the fact that this is not just a man that writes a book to sell copies. He actually believes in what he talks about. Having said that, please stand up and put your hands together for the one and only Robert Kennedy Jr. Thank you, thank you, thank you, please. Okay, you brought the tea.
Starting point is 00:04:30 Fantastic. Kelly, are you going to be the one that's going to be leading them to go over there? Is that what the setup is going to be? Fantastic. Okay, thank you. So let's get right into it. How you doing, by the way? How you feeling?
Starting point is 00:04:41 You're good? Yeah. Okay, so I got the topics to go through before even getting into it today. It seems like the political climate is changing all the time. There's a lot of different things going on. We have a GOP debate going on tonight that's taking place. I believe in Alabama. Last week, the Santas and Newsom had a debate together and there are having different discussions.
Starting point is 00:05:01 The first opening question I'll ask you is with that debate, here's a man, possibly the best governor in the way they handle COVID, governor DeSantis, a Florida, he caused me to come down here because I felt very free being here, who's a presidential candidate, okay? Going up with somebody who is not a candidate. He's in a lot of stories stories people saying he is, he's not, you know, Biden is going to step down, it's going to be Newsom doing it, you know,
Starting point is 00:05:30 Kamala's in the way, but Newsom's the one that's going to be president, and so I'm not going to be doing it. The debate takes place on every fact the Santas had the edge on the results in the state of Florida versus California. Results came back at 52% new sum winning. Your thoughts on watching that debate with the Santa San Newsom? Did you watch it saying a candidate running against a non-candidate? Did you have an opinion about it? Was that the right move?
Starting point is 00:06:00 Was that not the right move? What were your thoughts when you saw that last week? Well, I have to be clear. I did not see the debate. Okay. Oh, my wife, I was traveling at the time. My wife, Cheryl, watched the debate and my kids watched the debate and, you know, there, I've known, I know Governor DeSantis and I admired the way that he handled COVID. I thought it was him.
Starting point is 00:06:29 He took the three greatest epidemiologists and biosatastations and medical researchers in the country. And he did something nobody else in the country did, which he brought them to California. And he said, you know, what should we be doing? What are the alternatives? The government is telling us this. And he really allowed a scientific debate to occur, and that's what we should have been doing everywhere.
Starting point is 00:06:57 You want a pandemic management to be transparent. You want it to be open to debate. You want people who disagree with it, be able to talk about it, and that was not happening. And I commend Governor Justice Handes for that. I think the management of the debate in California was, of the pandemic, California was among the worst, was the worst in our country. They extended the lockdowns further than anybody else.
Starting point is 00:07:25 The children were worse damaged than anybody else. We're seeing that now that our mask was plummeted. All of these, we now have all of these learning delays, speech delays. The CDC actually has been forced to recalibrate its milestones. So the CDC provides milestones that children, for example, children are supposed to be able to walk at 12 months.
Starting point is 00:07:53 And they're supposed to have 30, now 50 words by 18 months. They've now changed as children, normal children, have to walk by 18 months and that they have 50 years, 50 words by I think 36 months. So they normalize the injuries that they did to our children during a lockdown, by simply changing the milestones. And the worst head office, California. I've known Governor Newsom for decades. I knew his dad. I think that he is a very, very formidable debater.
Starting point is 00:08:36 He's very, I think, you know, he's got kind of everything. He's got every gift. He's very attractive. he's very eloquent, he's articulate about the way he talks. But I do think that he has a very difficult record to defend in California. So I don't know exactly what happened to the debate, but a lot of times the debates are people judge the
Starting point is 00:09:07 debate based upon how you carry yourself and he really, you know, he is, he is an all-star at how he presents himself to the public, so I think that probably helps him a lot. Do you think he'd be a good president for the United States? I know, you know, looking at what's happened in California, I don't think it's right for the United States right now. I think, you know, I spent a year, almost a year in San Francisco, arguing them on Santa cases. So we went to court with about, I think, we had 2,400 cases of mainly home gardeners
Starting point is 00:09:49 who had gotten on-hodge cancelant pharma from using Roundup. And the way that you, all of those cases, our cases were consolidated with cases from about three other law firms in front of judges in California. So with the way that multi-discordistic litigation works, you try those cases one at a time and usually after you try three or four or five of them, the defendant comes to the
Starting point is 00:10:16 negotiating table. You know now the value of each of those cases and the defendant comes to the negotiating table and they settle all of them. By the end, we had about 40,000 cases. And we tried three in a row. The first one we won, 89 million on the second one, the jury gave us 289 million. The third one we asked for a billion, it was a couple, with both gun and on a Hodgkin and the one from it. They both did a home gardening together. They sprayed around up every day. They had a Labrador retriever who
Starting point is 00:10:51 came with them every day when they garden. The Labrador retriever got on a Hodgkin's lymphoma. Both of them were dying, those at the same time. The Labrador died. The jury get, we asked the jury for a billion dollars and they came back with 2.2 billion dollars. And at that point, Monsanto came to the negotiating table and we settled all the case. But I had to say in San exercise before court, the gym there. And Union Square in San Francisco is like Fifth Avenue in New York. It has all of the big American brands, it has the Norse drums, Loomingdale's Macy's Gap, Old Navy, Levi, and it has the big foreign brands, the big flagship stores for De La Valley,
Starting point is 00:11:50 Prada, Gucci, Farragama, Burberry. People come from all over the world to shop there. I went there a month ago and every one of those stores is shut down. It's just acre after acre plywood because of the chaos in the streets. And it's not hygienic. A lot of people would say it's not safe. There's open-air drug markets. And it's a combination of things that have caused that. It's high housing prices, and it was the lockdowns. And I think the management is in California
Starting point is 00:12:26 from the state, and the city government of San Francisco has been, is not a winning record. Let me just put it that way. And I think it's a very, very hard record for a governor to run on. Do you buy any chance? I mean, you have to be strategist and when you're talking to your group.
Starting point is 00:12:43 Do you, I'm sure, the right answer is going to be, well, we're just going to talk about what our values and principles are and that's what we're going to talk about policies. Do you at all think President Biden is going to be the candidate on the left at the end? I don't know. Okay. I watched the debate with President Trump last night on Hannity. And he was asked that question. And he said he did not believe that Biden would, President Biden, sorry, was going to make it to the end.
Starting point is 00:13:13 And I think by that, he meant that he would drop out at some point, or maybe, you know, if he were, if he were going to drop out, the time to drop out would be during the convention. Because then he would control the delegates, because they're all Biden delegates. And he would then be able to pick his successor. But I don't know anything I say about it is speculation. I try not to speculate. But I don't feel like he has let me put it this way, the energy, that we need at this point
Starting point is 00:13:52 to run the country during a period of our history that is very challenging. The world is, you know, we're in all kinds of wars. We actually are, you know, people are actually talking about using nuclear weapons now and strategic tactical nuclear weapons for the first time in my life, since I was a kid, since, you know, the 60s and during that, I was, I was about nine years old during that Cuban Missile Crisis, 1960, the 1962 that you, I am 11 brothers and sisters, 11 about. And the US Marshals came to our house.
Starting point is 00:14:31 There's a 13-day period during the Cuban Missile Crisis when a lot of Americans felt that we may all wake up dead the next day, where we were the closest in a human history that we'd ever come to global annihilation. The US Marshalls came to our house to take myself and my elder brother, Joe, to an underground city in the Blue Ridge Mountains in West Virginia, and it's a place where they have placed with the whole government to weather the, a nuclear, a thermonuclear cataclysm. And I had heard about it, and I thought,
Starting point is 00:15:16 I really wanted to see the place. There were apparently there were McDonald's there, and this is when McDonald's was just invented. And there were shopping centers and all kinds of stuff. And we had wide science fiction films and watched this dystopian science fiction depictions. So I wanted to go there. My father called us. He spent 13 days on a cot at the White House, earning that period.
Starting point is 00:15:46 And he called us because he knew the US Marshal's were there. He said, you can't go with them. And he said, he said, number one, if you don't show up at our lady of victory school, everybody in the country is going to know about it, and they're going to panic. And so you have to be good soldiers in school. He also said to us during that phone call, if there is a nuclear exchange, it would be better to be the people who are dead and the people who are left. And that's how he was looking at, I didn't agree with that by the way, but that's how he was looking at a time. And I think that kind of fear that he had about the use,
Starting point is 00:16:27 the first use of a nuclear weapon, is something that we are not seeing in these kind of anonymous men and lanyards, men and women, who are now making these calls from the White House. And that worries me a lot that they're not, that these are people we don't even know who they are. I think the people who are calling the shots on foreign policy are not making good judgments right now.
Starting point is 00:16:58 That was supposed to happen under Trump. A lot of people say when Trump was running everybody thought there was going to be a nuclear war, and it was actually time of peace. And the person that was supposed to bring all of us together, that's when the chaos had been so a lot of people said when Trump was running everybody thought there was going to be a nuclear war and it was actually time of peace. And the person that was supposed to bring all of us together, that's when the chaos have been so a lot of people think about that. But let's talk about you as a candidate,
Starting point is 00:17:11 as an independent candidate. A lot of times when we think about third party in the independent candidate, we typically go to Ross Perot. And we'll go to Ross Perot, he went to 19% and he would get up with his charts and show what he showed. And in George Bush's Senior's documentary, which is a great documentary to watch. There's only one thing he wouldn't comment on. And, matter of fact, he got upset and that to stop the interview
Starting point is 00:17:32 with the camera. When they asked him about Ross Perot because it was due to Ross Perot that senior became a one-term president, that's what a lot of people will say. And Ross Perot allowed Clinton to become a president. The same story can be said about Teddy Roosevelt, but you talk about a lot. Teddy's won the better presidents we've had in our history, but at one point, he was also reason to help Woodrow Wilson become a president at the time when he was running, and both of those candidates
Starting point is 00:17:59 helped a liberal become a president. So that is typically, we'll go back look at a case that I'm going to say, but that kind of looks like the trajectory where you're out today. When you hear people say, according to data, this is just what the numbers will tell us. If it's just Trump against Biden, Biden has a one point lead.
Starting point is 00:18:20 If it's just then going up against each other, this is the QuiniPak numbers that came up. But if it's you, Trump, and a Biden, he has a three or four percent lead, which means you're helping Biden out. What do you say to the people who like many of your policies, who like the fact that you're pushing the establishment, but at the same time,
Starting point is 00:18:43 aren't you just kind of helping President Biden become a president again and get reelected? Well, I mean, my purpose is to win the elections, so I want to spoil the election for President Biden and President Trump. On my numbers right now are better than any independent candidate in 100 years at this point in the elections. So you have to go back to Teddy Roosevelt.
Starting point is 00:19:09 And we don't really have even good polls for where he was at this point. But Teddy Roosevelt had been president, had made a commitment to not run for president at the outset. And then his vice president, who he was very close to, and they were politically aligned, President Taft, ran to replace him. In the middle of it, he got frustrated and announced his own run as a as the bull most party. And he had, you know, he did take the election away
Starting point is 00:19:48 from Taft and gave it to Woodrow Wilson. I wouldn't call Woodrow Wilson a liberal. I think Woodrow Wilson was very regressive on a lot of, on most of his policies. The one thing that he promised to do is to keep the country out of war, which is a promise that he violated, that he got in there and got us into World War I. So, you know, my poll's right now. I'm beating both candidates in all Americans, under 45 years old.
Starting point is 00:20:21 In Americans under 35 years old, I'm beating them both by 10 points. I'm up to now 24% average in the battleground states, which puts me with the intent points of winning the election. I only have to win a third of the votes to win the election. One vote over a third. So I can win the election theoretically with 34%. And I'm already at 24% in key states like Michigan. I think I'm up to 26 or 27.
Starting point is 00:20:55 And I have almost a full year. And this is with spending very, very little money compared to them. I'm leading with independent voters. I'm 36 with independent voters and President Trump is at 27 I think and President Biden is at as a 31. I'm leading I'm we're essentially in a three-way tie with Hispanic voters. The only voters that I don't do well with, I'm leading everybody with mothers who have children at home, so the mothers of children with under 18, the only groups that I don't do well in are baby boomers. And I believe that the reason that I can't prove as, I believe that the reason that I'm
Starting point is 00:21:43 not doing well with them is that they all, they get their news from television, from MSNBC, from CNN, and from the New York Times, the Washington Post. And if I, if that was the news bubble that I was living in, I would have a very low opinion of myself as well. Those news outlets will not let me on. They will not let me debate. They won't let me talk. They will not give a live interview with me. Sometimes a couple of them have said,
Starting point is 00:22:20 we'll interview you, but it will be live to tape, which means they can interview for me for 20 minutes and take a 10 second sound bite out of that to distort or whatever. But I think that's beginning to change. I now were seeing changes in that, and I believe, like my kids, I have seven kids, and I would believe that none of them have ever watched a evening
Starting point is 00:22:48 news on TV. They get their news from other sources, they get it from the internet, they get it from podcasts, et cetera. And in that generation, I am dominating. So, and what we're seeing anecdotally is that people who watch my interviews, long form interviews, even liberal Democrats have a very, very high conversion, right? Some of my strategy over the next 11 months is to get as many of those people to be able to see interviews with me, to ask me questions to you know to get to know something about me that's outside this kind of stew of defamation and perjordives that you know define me in the in the mainstream media. But I you know I'm very confident that we're going to win the
Starting point is 00:23:37 race. I don't think I'm running against the two I think, weakest candidates in American history. President Trump has a very, very intense following, but it's relatively small. And President Biden, there's almost nobody that I've met. In fact, I can say I've never met anybody so far, who's as you should vote for President Biden because he has a great vision for the country that he's energetic, that he can grapple with the big problems. They all say you've got to vote for him because otherwise Trump is going to start a dictatorship. And you know, we've got to do more, the Democratic Party has to do more than just offer people the less of two evils. And to say to them, and appeal to their fear, is young kids that who are following me or
Starting point is 00:24:36 people who want hope for their future, they want a vision for our country, they want to be proud of our country. There was a poll taken in 2013 and showed that Americans between 18 and 35 years old and asked 85 percent they were, said they were proud of the United States of America. The same poll taken last month of the same group of people, only 18 percent, said they were proud of our country. To me, that's the most heartbreaking data point I've seen since this began, and you've got a whole generation of kids who've lost faith in the United States of America, and they've lost any hope that they have for their kids sometime in the last eight years.
Starting point is 00:25:21 During the administrations of the two people I'm running against, this generation has completely lost hope. And, you know, we got to offer them something better and you should be scared of the other guy. We have to tell them they're going to be able to buy a home. You know, that they're going to, you know, our moral authority as a nation is going to be restored. They're going to rebuild the middle class in this country.
Starting point is 00:25:46 We're going to end the chronic disease epidemic that is to build a thing, 60% of the people in their generation. We're going to end this corrupt merger of state and corporate power. That has left all of our regulatory agencies as captives of the industries that are supposed to regulate as predators against the people of this country. And you know I'm running against two guys, two men, former presidents who both say they're running on the idea that they brought tremendous prosperity to our country. And I sit at kitchen tables with people a lot, with regular Americans.
Starting point is 00:26:25 I did this before I ran because I represent them in lawsuits. And you know, when you tell people you're experiencing this extraordinary prosperity right now, you know, they feel like they're being gaspated. There's nobody. There's nobody in that generation. There's nobody who's under 20, who's under 30 years old who thinks that they're ever going to buy a house. The housing price have gone from $215 to two years ago, 400,000 today and the interest rates have gone from three to almost 8%. And corporations are
Starting point is 00:27:00 buying houses, but kids are not. we've got to offer them something different. We've got to do something different. They'll let these kids have a hope in our country and their own future again. I think there's another reason why boomers, you don't do well with boomers. The day I'll tell you, I think your marketing team's got to pay attention to this.
Starting point is 00:27:20 The day you took your shirt off and started doing pushups, you pissed off a lot of women. Yes or no, I think when people saw how jacked he was, they're like, wait a minute, take that video away from my wife, I don't want people to see this. Honey, how come you can't bench like Bobby Camp? Anyways, that's just my speculation, little bit of research for you. So let's go to this with the independent becoming the president. 2020, it was estimated that the two major party nominee
Starting point is 00:27:45 spend $1.4 billion under campaign. That's up from $1.1 billion in 16 and 660 in 2012. They're saying it's going to be around $2 billion today. Some are even saying it's going to be around $3 to $4 billion. You raised $8.7 million on the last quarter. 20 lions who is co-founder of the American values, said he'll pledge $15 million. And then at the same time, this is all great. When you're going around saying,
Starting point is 00:28:10 you're getting $5, $10 donations, if we wanted to do $5 donations to get to billion dollars for either one for office, you would need 200 million people, Americans to donate $5. And then at the same time, that includes the last time we had around 150, 750, whatever amount of people that voted.
Starting point is 00:28:30 So there's a lot of people that, how are you going to raise that kind of money to run for office? Well, many billionaires are sitting there, or even guys that are willing to put the packs. They're saying, am I going to go here? You're C. Can Griff and they're leaning towards Nikki Haley. You're seeing, you know, even Jamie Dymne and leaning towards, you know, do you feel you need to take money from some of these folks?
Starting point is 00:28:50 Like do you feel you need to raise real money to get there? And is there anybody you wouldn't take money from such as Pfizer? Yeah, I don't think I have to worry about Pfizer giving me money and turning it down. What if one day they say we endorse RFAs if you change your book? You know what, they're not gonna do that. But I'm going to, you know, I mean, they'd be fired by their board if they did that. The biggest apple on the story though.
Starting point is 00:29:19 They should be. But the answer to your question is, first of all, I've outraged last quarter. I outraged both President Trump and President Biden with my campaign did. And I don't know exactly what the numbers are, but we raised over $8 million, and I think they raised $6 and five. That's the campaign. The campaign has a maximum donation level of $6,600 under federal law. And what we did there is the hardest thing to do,
Starting point is 00:29:56 which is to raise small dollar donations. And we started out with a list of only 150,000 people. We get about $38 per name, per quarter. Bernie had about 13 million people. He didn't have to raise any corporate money because he was getting 20 or 30 bucks a person per quarter and just do that math, you know, if you can't near it, and he didn't need corporate money, he didn't need billionaire money. So you can do it, you know, what we need is to build our list size, and that's one of the things that we're doing. Then the super PACs, the big money that you were talking about is coming not through the campaigns, it's coming from the super PACs. We are not allowed to coordinate with it's against the law
Starting point is 00:30:47 for us to coordinate it, but the Super PACs try to look at what you're doing and do what you would want them to do. It's a messed up system, I'm not defending it, I'm just saying how it works. And the Super PAC, that Super PAC you mentioned, which is the American value of super PAC has raised something close, I don't know exactly, to $30 million. So we're getting real money coming in. And by the way, with that $8 million that we had, we are now beating President Biden and
Starting point is 00:31:20 President Trump in young people, or beating him within the independence. He's the key demographics, and we're beating them with a lot of others. And that's with me only running for the past six, I have months, so I have 11 months in front of me. And I feel like, you know, with a tiny fraction of the money they make, that I can win the election, but we're gonna get money.
Starting point is 00:31:42 We're gonna get money is coming in now. And we will have enough money to put on a real national campaign and to get on the ballot. It's cost us $15 million to get on the ballot in every estate. President Trump at President Biden don't have to do that, because the Democratic Party and the Republican Party are already on the ballot. So we have to do something they can't do. And what they're going to do is try to stop me.
Starting point is 00:32:12 I'm getting on the ballot by putting legal impediments and doing everything they can to make sure that the American people don't get a choice. And you know what I would say to you is that whether you're a Republican or Democrat, whether you like me or somebody else, that Americans should have that choice. And one of the things that you can do is to go to our website, Kennedy24.com. And you can sign a ballot petition from your state on that website. So even if you don't intend to vote for me in the end, I think, and if you do believe in American democracy and believe that it's beneficial for a democracy
Starting point is 00:32:52 to have as many choices as possible, please go and sign that petition. Next question. Big pharma is something that is probably one of your biggest enemies, if not your biggest enemy when you said they're not going to endorse me of course they're not going to endorse you because you've uh... you've kind of gone in their way you call them out uh... i remember i got a strike for one of the interviews we did with you by the way years ago
Starting point is 00:33:16 when we had you on do you remember that when we apologize it's totally finally was worth it was a great conversation that we're welcome you're welcome yeah but we're going with this is the following. Here's my concern. I think three things are keeping cable TV in business. One, or your friends, the boomers, two is big pharma and three is sports. A lot of sports team are going away
Starting point is 00:33:38 and they're saying, hey, you can watch us on our own OTT. You don't need to go to NBC, whatever to watch it. You can come to us. Baby boomers, just a matter of time. And the third one keeping in-business is big formal, around 5.7 billion dollars. Big formal gave to cable TV in 2022. Now, two countries in the world are the only countries where big formal can advertise in.
Starting point is 00:33:59 It's us and it's New Zealand, right? I'm having this conversation with Vivek back there in the cigar lounge, about a month ago on his podcast. And I said, why are we allowing big formal to advertise? And they're almost forcing all these mainstream media talking heads that are reading a teleprompter to do whatever they tell them to do because if you don't, you're not going to get the money and all this stuff.
Starting point is 00:34:22 They're pretty much puppets for them. And that's not a reality when you're not going to get the money and all this up they're pretty much puppets for them and that's not that's not a that's a reality when you're seeing it that's their job that's who pays them their millions of dollars per year. And I said why are we along big farmer and adivatives? Well this is because capitalism so if somebody can come and says what if a car you can kill people with cars or we're going to bank cars I said but why do we ban cigarettes? You keep my cigarettes where you don't see ads on TV you don't see Marble you don't see Winston why don't we ads on TV. You don't see Marble. You don't see Winston.
Starting point is 00:34:45 Why don't we ban big pharma from advertising? 195 countries in the world, only two of them a lot. We're one of them. Are you someone that has the courage or thinks that's a good idea? If and the day you become a president, what you will prevent big pharma from advertising on cable TV? The answer to that is yes, I'll do advertising on cable TV.
Starting point is 00:35:05 The answer to that is yes, I'll do that on day one, but if, let me explain how it works. Let me ask you something, what did VVAC say? VVAC said, let me go research it, but he said it's a very good idea. I said, the reason why I think you ought to think about it is because his background as well. And that conversation will let two,
Starting point is 00:35:28 I got to go do more due diligence. While we're doing the interview, we're checking what companies cannot advertise. And the one we found is to back up. Yeah, my dad actually got a cigarette ads off of TV. And got liquor ads off of TV. If you remember 10 years ago, even, you never saw liquor ads on TV. That's recent that you're seeing. On the network, there's liquor
Starting point is 00:35:54 companies. My father actually had legislation to ban them. And they came to him and said, look, don't ban us. We will just stop doing. We won't advertise on TV. So I'm gradually, you got it. So there were beer ads on TV. But hard liquor companies did not advertise on TV, probably told 10 or 15 years ago. I don't know exactly when they, but I remember when they, you started seeing flat cats and then, you know, more and more stuff. It was on cable TV. It was not on networks. It was not on ABC and BCCBS because the public actually owns those airways.
Starting point is 00:36:35 The companies that the broadcasters have a license to use them. They have to use them in ways that promote the public interest. And it was recorded at that time that direct consumer advertisement was bad. Everybody agreed with that, the American Medical Association, everybody agreed. We should not be doing direct consumer advertising pharmaceutical. That changed in 1997. So that's when you started seeing this wave of pharmaceutical ads on TV. And of course, the pharmaceutical companies want to advertise on the network news for two reasons. One is because that's where their customers are.
Starting point is 00:37:19 The only people, as I said, who watch network news are old people. And those are people who are buying the pharmaceutical trucks. And the other reason is because it allows them to control content. And other companies do this too. Like you'll see, you know, Northrop Grumman and Raytheon and Lockheed. You know, I saw an ad the other day, I think it was, I'm Good Morning, America,
Starting point is 00:37:47 it was one of the big, where they were advertising killer drones. And I was like, who watching this show is buying killer drones? Of course nobody is, but it allows them to control the content and to get there, you know, all the former generals who Act as experts on the on the mainstream media and are constantly Telling the nor war narrative and getting us, you know, so they that's one of the reasons they doing it far enough I'm in 20 I think it was 20 yet 2014 I had a conversation with Roger Ailes.
Starting point is 00:38:25 You guys know Roger Ailes is raised your hand if you know who he is. How so much you do? Roger Ailes was the founder of Fox News. And I spent when I was 18 years old, or 19 years old, I spent three months in a tent with him in East Africa. And that's a long story. But I remained friends with him. This before Fox News existed.
Starting point is 00:38:48 I remained friends with him. Many later started Fox News. And for me, ideologically, it was like Darth Vader. But our friendship, we had a very, very close friendship, even though we were politically, diametrically opposed to each other. And he would put me on, I was always fighting for the environment, I was leading environmental lawyer in
Starting point is 00:39:11 advocate in the country. I was the only environmentalist who went on Fox News, one because the other ones didn't want to do it, but also Roger would make Sean Hannity and Neil Cavuto and Bill O'Reilly and all of his hosts put me on even though he didn't agree with what I was saying. And so I did in 2014, I did a documentary with some other people about Mercury and vaccines. And I went to Roger Hales, I showed it to him. And he said, yeah, you know, and he, in fact,
Starting point is 00:39:46 he believed that one that a relative of his had been injured was severely injured. And he said, I can't let you on with that. And he said, in fact, if any of my hosts allowed you onto their shows, I would have to fire them. Really? Yeah. And he said, if I didn't, remember this quote, he said, if I didn't fire them, I would
Starting point is 00:40:10 have Rupert, I wish he met Rupert Murdoch, the owner of the network, on the telephone within 10 minutes. And then he said to me, 75% of the advertising revenues for our evening news show are coming from Pharma. And he said, out of typically 22 to 24 news shots, news slots, I mean advertising slots on the evening news, 17 are going to pharmaceutical companies. And so he said, you know, and I've seen time and time again where hosts are, you know, get calls from the corporate and from the bean counters who are doing the advertising. Where news hosts get that and say, you know, that segment I just taped with you, we can't
Starting point is 00:40:59 play it because our advertisers are telling us not to. And I can recite stories like that with names and dates all day, I've written about it, but it is the reality, that pharmaceutical industry, that the people like Anderson Cooper, like Jake Tapper, are really, are pharmaceutical reps. Their job is to drum up fear of infectious disease and stories about chronic disease
Starting point is 00:41:30 and then to self-pharmaceutical advertising on TV. And if you, you know, their salaries ultimately, not directly, but ultimately are coming from the pharmaceutical industry. It would be very funny if somebody at CNN, who's an editor, I'm not trying to give anybody any ideas. Well, maybe if they're a fan of RFK, while Anderson Cooper is doing it on the bottom,
Starting point is 00:41:52 instead of saying, ho, he says, you know, pharmaceutical rep for Pfizer, it'd be very entertaining. Not trying to put any ideas in any 24-year-old editor's minds at CNN, I just thought it'd be funny. Anyway, so next topic, okay. It's not good career, it's not funny. It's definitely not good. But we're hiring over here, so maybe it to be funny. Anyway, so next topic, okay. It's not good career, it's not funny. It's definitely not good. But we're hiring over here, so maybe it'd be a good opportunity
Starting point is 00:42:08 to come somewhere else. Okay, you've been accused of claiming that man-made chemicals in the environment are making children gay or transgender and causing feminization of boys and masculinization of girls. This has been shown even with Bill Maard, that he showed generation by generation by generation, we're getting gayer and gayer and gayer eventually.
Starting point is 00:42:30 And in the next 20 years, you and I end up being gayed the way we're going right now. In a June 2022 episode of your podcast, you stated, if you expose frogs to atrozen, male frogs, it changes their sex, and they can actually very young. They can lay eggs. This is your saying this. Fertile eggs.
Starting point is 00:42:50 And so the capacity for these chemicals that we are just raining down on our children right now, in to induce them, these very profound sexual changes in them is something we need to be thinking about as a society. And even according to a report, particles can harm human body. Estimations of the total mass of ingested MP particles correspond to 50 plastic bags per year. This is all of us in here. One credit card per week or median value of, you know, other numbers we can look at here.
Starting point is 00:43:21 But this is kind of, the other day, you have bathroom in my office, only two of us uses. It's me and Vinnie you know somebody goes to the bathroom they forget to flush it you see something yeah they go to the bathroom looking at their six credit cards in the bathroom Vinnie was you know because he's got so much plastic in his body that you know for us with the wrong chemicals that we have not Vinnie still straight he's good with him but how do you when you say someone like this there's only one other guy that said this about frogs
Starting point is 00:43:45 and he had to pay a few hundred billion out of fine to try to get the money from him. I'm not going to go there, but how do you plan to combat the poisoning of Americans if elected president? Well, first of all, let me clarify something. I never said that chemicals in our food or water are making people gay. I've never said that. I never said that they're making people trans or giving them sexual amorphous.
Starting point is 00:44:18 Here's what I did say. First of all, I've worked for, I've spent 40 years working on androcratic disruptors. And it's non-controversial. Androcratic disruptor is a family of chemicals that has the impact on sexual development of humans and of animals. And you know, there are many, including, you know, PBAs in plastic and PCBs, which are a flame retardant, and many, many other chemicals
Starting point is 00:44:53 that are known to have impact of an eagrically disruption. They disrupt in mammals and other animals, normal sexual development. So that is non-controversial. Nobody disagrees with that. I'm the study that I referred to. And any of you can look this up on your cell phones right now on Google.
Starting point is 00:45:20 Is a study in which a scientist and I can't remember his last name. I know his first name is Tyler. But you can look it up and you can use the first name, but you don't even need to do that. You just put atrazine and sexual dimorphism or sexual changes in frogs, and that's going to come up on your Google. You're going to see a peer see a peer reviewed published study.
Starting point is 00:45:46 What he did is he took 27 frogs, males. He put the miniquarium and he exposed them to levels of atrazine that are below EPA exposure levels. So they're below the levels that we are receiving. 63% of the water supply is now contaminated with atrociously. And EPA allows that up to a certain level before it tells you that local water districts stop people from drinking it, and that level that they allow district stopped people from drinking it and that level that they allow is what Tyler exposed the frogs to. So there are 27 frogs. He could close them to the chemicals and
Starting point is 00:46:33 they're all male. Of that, 90% of them, what became sterile, it couldn't produce young. 10%, so I think three of the frogs became turn female, and were capable of producing fertile eggs. So their sex was literally changed by explosion of this chemical. Now, what I said is that there are anecdotal observational evidence that we are seeing higher numbers of individuals with sexual simultaneously more of an in previous generations. That is controversial because there are people out there who will say, no, it's always been steady. There's a lot of people and there's some studies that show, no,
Starting point is 00:47:31 it's actually increasing dramatically. I'm not going to take a side one way or the other. If it is increasing, first of all, shouldn't we do studies to see if it's increasing? That's what the federal government should be doing, but they won't do them. Second of all, shouldn't we do studies to see if it's increasing? That's what the federal government should be doing, but they won't do them. Second of all, shouldn't we be doing studies to see if they're, if the chemicals that we know impact frogs that way, whether they also impact humans that way. And there's easy ways to study that without deliberately exposing humans to do those chemicals. So shouldn't we be doing those studies? Whether not just adressing, but other endocrine disruptors that are now ubiquitous, everybody nods in valley.
Starting point is 00:48:18 Has general election PCBs in their flesh in our organs? A lot of these chemicals are now in their flesh and our organs. A lot of these chemicals are now that are known and trying to disrupt our ubiquitous now. And shouldn't we be determining whether they're having these other insidious effects on us? And that is all I said. Now your your question was how am I going to end that? Here's how I'm going to end it. My first week in office I'm going to go to Bethesda, where NIH is. And Bethesda and NIH will not let you study these questions right now. NIH has an annual budget of $42 billion. It distributes that money to 56,000 scientists in research centers, mainly in universities
Starting point is 00:49:04 all across North America and some in other countries as well to study human health impacts but what NIH and what I was a kid NIH was the Gold Standard Research Agency on Earth in fact if you went to other countries in Europe, Latin American Africa then they don't have a If you went to other countries in Europe, Latin American Africa, then they don't have a scientific agency. In fact, in their laws, they say whatever FDA approves is approved in this country, whatever NIH says, we're going to take their word for it because they were at impeccable integrity. What's happened over the past 50 years is NIH has stopped doing that kind of science. And it's changed to do science that has corrupt oftentimes
Starting point is 00:49:53 that is used to justify the mercantile or promote the mercantile ambitions of the industries that it regulates. But mainly, it has become an incubator for pharmaceutical products. So, for example, the Moderna vaccine is owned by NIH, and NIH gets to keep 50% of the royalties. Oh, they're making tens of billions from a product that they made us all take.
Starting point is 00:50:25 Not only that, but there are six individuals tens of billions from a product that they made us all take. Not only that, but there are six individuals who work for NIH, who work top deputies of that manager, Anthony Fauci, who also have walk-in rights for the patents. So they are allowed to collect $150,000 a year from Moderna sales forever. Their children, their children's children, they're paying for their boats, their mortgages, their kids' education, their from what they get from Moderna. And that is not a very good, it's not a good idea.
Starting point is 00:51:10 Let me put it that way. You want regulators to be independent and you don't want the commercial ambitions of individual regulators to subvert the regulatory function of that agency. And you give somebody $150,000 a year forever, their children, their children, children. They might overlook something. Some problems with that, they'll drug it,
Starting point is 00:51:35 and their job is to find problems with it. And so, you know. You really think they're gonna let you go expose that? I mean, Rand Paul's been trying to do what he's doing. You really think, I mean. Oh, well that I mean Rand Paul's been trying to do what he's doing you really think I mean well as president they work for me I you know I've been suing these agents needs for 40 years I know with the regulatory I understand regulatory capture I have a PhD and at each one of these agencies I've sued almost all of my. I've sued NIH, CDC, FDA, EPA, multiple, multiple times.
Starting point is 00:52:08 I sued, you know, T, because I'm involved in litigation now with them, the Department of Transportation, because I'm representing 1000 families right now whose lives were upended by the Norfolk Southern Spill and he's at Palestine, Ohio. So I, not only am meeting with them at their kitchen tables and hearing what is under their lives, and I'm seeing and we're discovering and discovery
Starting point is 00:52:33 why that was a result of corporate capture. And I'll just tell you one of the many things, the FDA proposed a regulation that there should be heat sensors on every wheel of these huge cars, these huge train cars now. In these huge trains, there are hundreds of cars on them, and every wheel should have a heat sensor on it to notify the engineer.
Starting point is 00:52:57 And that there should be multiple engineers and personnel on each train. The agency, because it doesn't want to spend that money, said, no, we only need one personnel on a train with 100 cars on it. And we don't want to install the heat centers, because that's going to cost us a couple thousand dollars per train. Well, we now know that on that spill, the wheel of that train was sparking,
Starting point is 00:53:24 and then it caught fire. And for 20 miles, it was on fire, getting bigger and bigger until the whole boxcar burned. The boxcar was full of PVC pipe, which went off like an explosion and derailed the train. How do we know? Because through discovery, we got the doorbell ringers from people who were neighbors of that train track, and you can watch it from their doorbell cameras with this fire getting bigger and bigger for 20 miles, and the engineer has no idea
Starting point is 00:53:59 because they didn't put the heat sensors on. So that spill took place directly because of agency capture. And that's what you see. And when we see it, very briefly, once we stood in Monsanto, we found email correspondence between the head of the past division of the EPA for a decade, a guy called Jess Rollett and the top executives of the Monsanto company, which owned Roundup, which we were selling. And they were secret emails where we believed, and American public believed, was paying just roll at his salary, and we believed he was working for us. And from these
Starting point is 00:54:40 emails, it's clear that for a decade he was secretly working for Monsanto and they were telling him, kill this study, fix this study, don't let this happen. And at one point they say, oh no, there's another agency, ATSDR that's going to study the link between cancer and roundup. You cannot let that study happen. Just roll in sense of an email, back saying, I can't stop it, it's not my agency. And they sent a back saying, you have to stop it. And he then says, okay, I'm gonna do it, but you need to give me a gold medal.
Starting point is 00:55:13 That's why the first two judges would not let us show that memo to the jury. The third judge did, and that's why they gave us 2.2 billion, because they were Americans and they're upset that they're their regulators are owned by the industry. They're supposed to regulate. But how much do these things matter to you? You would want the president to investigate these things.
Starting point is 00:55:35 Yes. That's continuing. Blake Rothman, if you can work your way up to the mic, I'll come to you right afterwards. Meanwhile, I'm going to continue with this next question here. According to China, Jino News, at least 900 young adults are taking part in military training with some as young as seven years old. In China, we're training boys at seven years old. In America, we're transitioning boys at seven years old.
Starting point is 00:56:00 According to a new poll conducted by Pew Research Center in June, only 9% of young Americans ages 17 to 24 say they are very or somewhat likely to serve in a military in the next four years. This is the lowest percentage we've had. Express in a military service since 1979 when Pew Research started this. So here's what it makes me think about. Number one, 16 years old I need to be to get a driver's license. 18 years old to get a tattoo. 18 years old to vote. 21 years old to drink. 25 years old in many states to get a, you know, a rent a car. But California and some of the directions some places are going, hey, your daughter, your son can run away. This is a sanctuary state. He can come and do a procedure here without the consent of your parents,
Starting point is 00:56:46 what will you do as a president to get this nonsense out to prevent kids under the age of 18 without the consent of the father to transition? You may even say that is an okay policy, you're a part of that many families disagree with. One, what's your position on this and what will you do as a president?
Starting point is 00:57:02 I mean, my position is that people should not be able to have access to those procedures. The miners shouldn't without parental permission. And, you know, I don't know enough about it, Patrick, to say that it should be completely illegal. Under 18? No, no. Yeah, I just don't know enough. What I'm going to tell you, because I don't know. For Robert, I mean, you're...
Starting point is 00:57:29 I don't know enough. I would, I need to look at data before I do it, make a decision. My inclination is, it's not good for anybody. There may be some rare cases where it saves somebody's life. I don't know that. I'm not going to tell you that I have an answer to a question. There's a difference between, but Robert, there's a big difference. I just want to say that there's a big difference between those two things. One, saving somebody's life to transition and
Starting point is 00:57:58 cut the dangling off. How are you saving that person's life? Some of these things logically they make no sense to parents or parents or children. You can have to answer this for both parents on both sides. There is conflicting values. And one of the values is freedom to do what you want with your own body and have the government tell you, you can or you can't do that. Who is protecting kids under the age of 18, though?
Starting point is 00:58:19 And that's the other right. And that's right, say, nobody can do without their parents permission. That's solid. And then I have to look at the drugs, the safety of the drugs, whether they have permanent damage from the eye just so no. You're rolling your eyes like I should have this is not the obvious question. Do you trust the 14-year-old driving a car? Without a driver's license?
Starting point is 00:58:44 Well, do you trust the 13-year-old voting? Not. What if a parent consents for a 13-year-old to vote should we be okay with that? Because a parent said it's okay. Should we trust a parent at a 13-year-old to vote? I get that, but why should it be legal for somebody at 13 with parent consent to transition? Well, first of all, the metaphor you gave are not apt, because when you drive a car,
Starting point is 00:59:07 you're affecting other people. You're making this and I'm not listening. I'm just telling you the truth. I don't have a position on this because I don't know enough about it. I believe my values are the same as yours. And you probably know a lot more about this and could explain it to me.
Starting point is 00:59:25 But I don't know whether there are rare, rare cases. My inclination is that we shouldn't be giving drugs. We should limit any kind of drug that is dangerous, that there are availability young people. There may be some rare circumstances that you wouldn't want to criminalize it. So I do believe that people who make those kind of decision as adults should be, that they shouldn't be subject to ridicule or derision or bias in any way. And that we should do everything we can to discourage those kind of decisions from young people.
Starting point is 01:00:08 Can I add one other issue? Let's go for it. There's a lot of things happening to our children now that we need to look at as a nation and that are being completely ignored. When my uncle was president, 6% of American children had chronic disease of Americans. By chronic disease, I mean categories, obesity, neurological injuries, like ADD, ADHD, speech delay, angririly, text, red syndrome, narcolepsy, ASD, autism, food allergies, peanut allergies, which I never saw in my life. I have 11 siblings, I have 70 cousins, not of my food allergies.
Starting point is 01:00:57 Why do five of my seven kids have those allergies? And then autoimmune disease. Um, rheumatoid arthritis, juvenile diabetes, he's exotic disease, like Crohn's disease, and lupus. We never saw as a kid, a kid 6%, I, 1986, 11.8%, I 2006, 54%, this is one of the, the problems with our military. They're not eligible for military service. We don't know what it is today, because after 2006, NIH stopped publishing the data.
Starting point is 01:01:33 It's probably 60% of our kids have auto-immune allergic or neurological disease. You see epipans in every classroom. You see how beautiful and hairless. You have, in some classes, 70% of the kids are in Adderall. They're diagnosed with ADHD. What's happening? Autism went from one in 10,000 in my generation
Starting point is 01:01:56 to one in every 34 kids today. And it's not because we're seeing it suddenly because then you'd see it in my generation. I've never seen a 69-year man, 69-year-old man with full-blown autism. That I mean nonverbal, non-toilet train, head banging, stimming, toe walking, and flapping. I've never seen that in a 69-year-old man, but in my kids' generation, it's one in every 34 kids. in a 69 year old man, but in my kids' generation, it's one in every 34 kids.
Starting point is 01:02:26 EPA, Congress said to EPA, tell us what year it started, the epidemic started. EPA came back, EPA is a captive agency, but it's captive by oil, coal, chemical, and the big egg. It's not captive by pharma, because it doesn't regulate pharma. So they came back with an honest study and they said it's a red line, 1989.
Starting point is 01:02:48 Well as it turns out, these diseases, most of them started on that same timeline. Around 1989, phenology suddenly appeared. Oh, Bucin, he goes crazy. We go from 6% of having obesity to 45% of kids, 75% overweight. It's not because they suddenly got lazy. American kids, it's because they're being mass poisoned
Starting point is 01:03:15 by something. And why aren't we asking the question, what is that? What is happening to American children? We have the highest chronic disease rate of any nation in the world. We have the highest chronic disease rate of any nation in the world. We have the highest COVID death rates. We have 16% of the COVID deaths in this country.
Starting point is 01:03:32 We only have 4.2% of the world's population. Why is that? Bad management number one. A number two, it was chronic disease, killing these kids these EPA said, of the Americans who died from COVID on average, they had 3.8 chronic disease. They had diabetes, asthma, obesity, and one other, or some other group.
Starting point is 01:04:02 We have the highest chronic disease rate in the world, and it's bankrupting us. Our one my uncle's president, 6%, now it's probably a 6%, but if you look at Medicare bills, we're paying total of 4.3 trillion a year on healthcare, and 93% of that is going to chronic disease. It's an unnecessary cause. And nobody's asking the question, why is it happening?
Starting point is 01:04:30 Oh, there's a doctor in New York, a toxicolid, a very famous toxicologist called Phil Langerian. And he's a guy I've used as an expert in many cases. But he's actually done studies and said, what could it be? You have to find a toxin. A pig became ubiquitous in 1989 and the early 90s and affected every demographic in our country from Cubans and Kibis game.
Starting point is 01:04:56 They inewed in Alaska. And affects boys in neurological injuries for the one ratio to girls. Oh, he looked at some of these questions and he said, there's only about 13 things that could possibly be. One of those is glyphosate from Roundup. One of the misnade, nicotoid pesticides, atrazine, which is 63% of our water.
Starting point is 01:05:20 High fructose corn syrup, which follows some of that time. Why? I, Fructose Corn Serum, which follows some of that timeline, Wi-Fi radiation from cell phones, which I've won a case on, in the court of appeals, and then there's a PFOA, which is a forever chemical, it's a flame retardant. I was put in all of our kids pajamas on that timeline, and all of our furniture, and there's a few more. The easiest thing in the world is to actually go do the study, identify what it is that
Starting point is 01:05:50 is making Americans so sick. You know, and that's 93% of our healthcare cause. That's eliminate those toxins. That's what I'm going to do when I get in there. I'm going to go in and I'm going to tell all these scientists from EPA were not developing drugs anymore. We're going to give infectious disease a break for a couple of years and we're going to find out why are we the sickest people on the face of the earth? Why is that happening to America? We should all be talking about this issue.
Starting point is 01:06:22 I would love to see you. Are you willing to dedicate some of your time the next couple months to see? And one by the way, the issue that you raise is one of the things that needs to be studied. Let's look at it and make a decision based on data. And that is consistent with our values. My values on this are the same as you. I just don't have the confidence that I've
Starting point is 01:06:44 talked to enough people and read enough studies to actually make a, you know, a defensible decision by saying, oh, band this for everybody. I don't know. I might somebody may come to me and say, wait a minute, my child's life was safe. I don't know. I got a few more questions I want to go to, but I also want to go to the guest here, Matt. If you have your question, if you want to lead the way to next person's Jonathan Gowls and Blake, Blake Rothmel afterwards, if I want to go to but I also want to go to the guest here Matt if you have your question if you want to lead the way the next person is Jonathan Gowls and Blake Blake Rothmel afterwards if you want to go right and go for Matt. I could have to know my name is Matthew Siphala and I certainly here's a great core to an active duty.
Starting point is 01:07:17 I have a new active duty to a new reserve and I serve under a three different commanders and chiefs which which is both Bushes and the Clintons. And my political opinions was asking fellow crew chiefs, how do we vote, how do we put, put, link in former political opinion, while serving in the military. So your family's regard is the most famous political dynasty. So who did you see counsel from, and how did you process leaving Democratic Party? And what should American voters be specifically aware of
Starting point is 01:07:43 in this election cycle from both sides, Democratic and Republican? So you're asking why, and I went, first of all, thank you for your service, and you're asking why, you know, why I went independent, I, I, I, I, I mean, I consult with a lot of people. My campaign manager at the time was Dennis Kusenet, Joe himself, had run for president, very liberal Democrat, but anyway. And he was one of the first people that said the Democrat party is not going to let you win. You're going to have to leave.
Starting point is 01:08:24 And I said to him, I'm not going to do that. And one by one, all of the people around me, because it became obvious that the Democratic Party was not going to let me win no matter what. And they changed the rules. Or somebody actually tabulated 60 different rules they adopted to make sure that I couldn't win even if I got the most votes. So, for example, I'll just give you one example. I made a rule that if any candidate which was directed to me, because I'd already
Starting point is 01:08:59 done it filing this rule, if any candidate stepped into the state of New Hampshire, put one foot in, that all the votes that candidate won in New Hampshire would not count. That was a rule. They proposed the same rule for Georgia, but not about Georgia. They said if anybody's step foot in New Hampshire, they can't win any votes in Georgia either. And Iowa, and actually they proposed it for Florida as well. But they did a lot of other things like that. They created this class of super delegates called Plios that even if I won, they could take the election away from me. And then, you know, President Biden, of course,
Starting point is 01:09:42 wouldn't debate me. And it just became, you know, I had by that time got a lot of money from people in five dollar donations, millions of dollars, and a lot of big donors. And I, you know, feel like I feel like an obligation to do the best that I could to win, which is why they gave me the money and not just have a kabuki theater of, I'm gonna run and make a couple of points, and then, you know, bow out. And ultimately, my wife, who's a hardcore Democrat,
Starting point is 01:10:16 you know, also said, yeah, they're not gonna let you do it, you gotta leave. Oh, I did it, you know, my families, it was a difficult decision for me. My family's been involved in Democratic Party for over 100 years. My family came over in the potato famine and they all, when they got here, Irish and Britain had not been for 600 years and not been allowed to participate in politics. And when they got here, they took the politics like starving men, take the food. And my grandfather, John Fitzgerald, Honeyfitz, became the first Irish Catholic mayor of Boston.
Starting point is 01:11:01 My other great-grandparent, Patrick Kennedy. What, you're talking about my grandfather, his son, Patrick Kennedy, was in the state legislature and was a ward boss, a big political boss in Boston. And their kids, Rose Kennedy and Joseph Kennedy married each other and then produced nine kids. Their eldest boy Joe was killed in World War I on a very, very dangerous volunteer mission after he had completed all of his flights. He was asked to, he volunteered to fly the first flying bomb, which was a remote control plane that they were going to direct
Starting point is 01:11:45 into the submarine pens and the Nazi submarine pens. And the plane was controlled by another plane with a remote control. First, I'm in history that it happened, but they needed a pilot to take it off. And it was loaded with bombs. And he took it off and got it to altitude. And he was the great hope for my family. In fact, 40 years after his death, my grandfather, if you mentioned his name, would burst into tears. He loved that child so much.
Starting point is 01:12:14 And when they got to altitude and turned on the remote control, the whole plane vaporized. And his body was never found. So he died as a younger brother, John Kennedy Jack, was the first Irish Catholic mayor of our country. And I mean, the president of our country, my dad was the attorney general, was killed running for president.
Starting point is 01:12:36 My uncle Teddy was in the Senate for 50 years, longer than anybody else except for one other senator. My brother was, I don't know, the 7 or 8 terms in Congress. My sister was the lieutenant governor of Maryland. A lot of my cousins are in political or we're in political office. My name is almost synonymous with the modern democratic party.
Starting point is 01:13:00 So for me to walk away from that was a very, very difficult decision. And for me to run for president, that's not something I ever intended to do. I have, you know, and all of these decisions are our novel decisions for me that I've been making because I think it's, you know, that I feel like I'm in a unique position to fix this corrupt merger of state and corporate
Starting point is 01:13:26 power that has locked in on our company country and converted us into a, into a, a perium abroad, a military state abroad, a surveillance state at home, and put corporations and charge our democracy rather than people. And I feel like I'm in, because of my history, because of my family connections, my name recognition, and my experience unraveling corporate power that I'm in a unique position to be able to fix a lot of these things. Thank you for that.
Starting point is 01:13:59 So I got a question here about Israel and Palestine and Hamas, but I want to bring in something you said about climate change a few months ago. You said a May 2, 2020, on an interview with unheard, the crisis of climate change has been to some context co-opted by Bill Gates and the World Economic Forum and the Billionaires Boys Club in Davos. The same way that COVID crisis was appropriated, buy them to make themselves richer, to impose totalitarian controls, and to stratify our society with very powerful, wealthy
Starting point is 01:14:29 people at the top, and the vast majority of human beings with very little power and very little sovereignty over their own lives. Every crisis is an opportunity for those to combat, for those to clamp down controls. Okay, so this is what you said a few months ago. Let's set the aside. This just comes out recently with Israel and Palestine, Gaza, you know, Hamas, we're seeing all these travesties, the stories, all of them we've been following. According to an article from New York Times that came out in November 30th a week ago, Israeli officials obtained Hamas' battle plan for the October 7 terrorist attack more than a year before it happened.
Starting point is 01:15:06 But Israeli military and intelligence officials dismissed the plan as aspirational, considering it too difficult to carry out. Similar to our President Bush was warned of terrorist attacks, threats from Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda August 6, 2021, 36 days before 9-11 attacks. Earlier this week, a report from CNN indicated that bets against the value of Israeli companies spiked in the days before October 7th, Hamas attacks, suggesting some traders may have had advanced knowledge of the looming terror attack and profited off of it. Similar to the knowledge, they had the unusual market activity in short selling
Starting point is 01:15:46 of United Airlines and American Airlines stock on September 10, 2001, a day before 9-11. Now, do you believe if you're able to make this statement about climate change and how they use COVID, today, American people's trust in the government is the lowest it's ever been. In the mainstream media it's the lowest it's ever been. When you read articles like this, the American voters sister says, who the hell can I trust? Do you think there was any ill intentions here?
Starting point is 01:16:16 I don't think that the evidence that you just presented is evidence, necessarily of Israeli government complicity or foreknowledge there. First of all, Amos itself is an extraordinary wealthy organization that has, you know, all of its top officials, literally all of them are billionaires. The top three people is, well, I,N-E-I and his two top courts. I-N-E-I has five billion dollars that he's stolen from, you know, international aid.
Starting point is 01:16:54 Yes, or are a fat? It was a billionaire. His wife is a billionaire. Mamuda Boss, who's the current director of the West Bank, is a billionaire. His two sons of $750 million. Hamas has a war chest of real estate and stock investments of $500 million.
Starting point is 01:17:17 Their biggest sponsor is Iran, who planned the attack. And Iran also, you know, there's people in Iran who, if they had foreknowledge, could have been on it. Do I exalt hate the Israeli government for what happened? No, I think the Israeli, it's clear that President Netanyahu, first of all, has nurtured Hamas in many ways the same way that we nurtured Al-Qaeda and that we nurtured ISIS.
Starting point is 01:17:51 And he allowed the Qataris to give at least 1.5 billion over the past three years to Hamas, presumably because he thought he was buying peace. And then, you know, he also, his very aggressive policies in the West Bank have moved a lot of the military resources to the West Bank and take them off the cock, not as a fence line, but there's a, you know, do I blame him? You know, I blame him for, and Lecude, maybe maybe for negligence. But Hamas has to take the full blame for what happened, and Israel, Hamas has been, you know,
Starting point is 01:18:35 if the Israelis have treated Hamas and Gaza in a way no other nation in the world would treat an enemy that declared war on them 16 years ago and has dropped 30,000 missiles on Israel. How did Israel, what did Israel do instead of going into Gaza, which every other country are going to touch the flattened it? If the Mexican government elected a communist, if Mexican people elected a communist government, they hijacked the government.
Starting point is 01:19:05 And they said, okay, we're reclaiming Texas. And then sent missiles onto San Antonio and Houston. How long would it take for Mexico to be flat? Not long. We would go, and then what if they,000 terrorists to slug people throughout, you know, burn babies, rig women and all that, we would go in there. The Israelis have done something different. Instead of going into Gaza, they built a fence around it. Now Gaza, Hamas, you put his open hair prison, yeah. You were sending suicide bombers across the border.
Starting point is 01:19:47 We had an open border. You were sending suicide bombers over to kill us. And we had to put the fence up. And in order to stop the 30,000 missiles, they built an iron dome, which we helped them pay for. But when a missile sent over, they shoot a down. Every missile that Hamas makes costs them about $800. The shoot it down costs $40,000.
Starting point is 01:20:12 Israelis have taken that and said, we're going to shoulder that burn because we don't want to go in there. They thought it was under control. They put up the fence. The fence has cameras on it. It's monitoring systems. It has automatic machine guns, and it has balloons that, you know, look, and because Hamas was
Starting point is 01:20:31 being aided by Iran, they got North Korean drones that were able to shoot down those balloons that were able to disable the fences, and they, you know, they used explosives and tractors to carve these holes in the fence. And Israel up till that moment felt like this was a tactical issue. Now, they get more, Maz, Gaza gets more money from the international aid community than any people on the face of the earth. Gaza has gotten more per capita than we gave to the Marshall Plan, a rebuild all of Europe
Starting point is 01:21:11 after World War II. They get the Israelis when the Israelis walked out of Gaza unilaterally and were given it to you. We don't want any more disputes. They took 9,000 Jewish families who live there in beautiful houses along the Gaza coast. They forced them to leave. They were very unpopular. They didn't want their Jewish graves to be defaced, so they dug up the Jewish graveyards and brought them out. They removed the IDF and they said, we're going to
Starting point is 01:21:38 give you a going away present to Hamad, to Gaza. We're going to give you 3,000 green houses that are worth a lot of money that make Gaza food self-sufficient, not only that, a net food exporter. And for free, we are going to rebuild the Port of Gaza, which is a beautiful port, but it's inadequate. And so you can make it this Singapore of the West. Gaza should be an economic even with all the money that's being put in there,
Starting point is 01:22:10 but what have they done with the money? Hamas, they've hijacked their own people. They have deprived and starved their own people. They've made all of their leaders billionaires. They don't even leave in Gaza. They live in Doha and they live in Akron, Turkey, and Doha, and Qatar. In huge palaces, surrounded by guards, they built 300 miles of tunnels. This is what they did with the money they were supposed to build,
Starting point is 01:22:36 people for people, poor Palestinians, who were stuck in refugee camps, build them houses. We put plenty of concrete money. They built 300 miles of tunnels, 1,300 tunnels. And they bought weapons. They bought drones, they bought missiles, they tore up the state of the art irrigation system and that the Israelis had built, you know,
Starting point is 01:23:00 God is in all aces. That's why it's there. It had great fresh water. They've destroyed it. They destroyed the fresh water. They've destroyed it. They destroyed the fresh water. It's now all saltwater infiltration as they stop regulating well drilling. A tour of the irrigation system, and they cut the irrigation pipes into rockets. Turn them into rockets. And fire them. It is real. 30,000 rockets. Before October 7, 10,000000. Now, one of the things they say is, oh, Israelis are using collective punishment to starve us, right?
Starting point is 01:23:31 And I have friends in God's Palestinian friends. I have a lot of Palestinian friends all over Israel and the West Bank. I met with all the Palestinian leadership in the West Bank. Israel, because God's a mismanage, God's has plenty of fresh water. It's all, it's one of the best desalination plants in the world. But they don't have any fuel for it. Why don't they have fuel, first of all,? Israel because they mismanaged their water. Israel built its own pipes out of humanitarian impulse
Starting point is 01:24:10 upon water and to Gaza. It's only 9% of the water. So they're not shutting off all the water. They shut off their little 9% why? Because Hamas bought them the pipes. And then they wouldn't let food at night. Hamas to this day is sending hundreds of rockets every day. Why is Israel going to bring food in there
Starting point is 01:24:30 and get bombed by rockets and fuel trucks? Now Hamas says, oh, you didn't give us enough food for the hospitals. Hamas, in the tunnels, is storing 1.5 million liters of fuel. And they were starving their own population. They didn't build a single bomb shelter, all the Gaza. They said the tunnels, we don't let them into the population into the tunnels. Those are for our fighters, 40,000 fighters. They're the ones who can stand the tunnels.
Starting point is 01:25:03 The population is up there and they put their armories, their fuel dumps, their headquarters, their command headquarters under mosques, hospitals, residential housing and schools. They use their civilians in shields. And how do we know they have all this fuel while there's proof? Because those weapons and rockets they're sending on Israel right now, 10,000 since October, have required huge amounts of fuel to fire them.
Starting point is 01:25:35 So they were using the fuel for the rockets and not letting their public get it for the incubators in the hospital. What it is real do risk the lives of IDF soldiers to go into Gaza and bring the incubators that are enough fuel for those incubators and they've got a lot of hospital administrators if you go to the corner and pick them up because the Israel left it on the corner. They didn't want to go in there. We'll shoot you. And so then Israel has had IDF soldiers to actually bring it into the hospital. Now, they say they're targeting civilians.
Starting point is 01:26:11 Well, here's what Israel has done. Israel used high-tech to avoid civilian casualties. It has already, it's made 20,000 phone calls with Israeli soldiers who speak Arabic before they bomb a building. If they're going to bomb a target that is a high value target, like a terrorist at a group, it won't give any warning. A 90% of their targets are infrastructure and they always warn in advance and they've warned people to go to the south so that they can root out the terrorists.
Starting point is 01:26:46 They also go neighborhood by neighborhood and say, tomorrow we're going to bomb your neighborhood. They make phone calls to the landlords and to the individuals, but a lot of their phones have don't have connectivity now. So they drop leaflets. Leaflets are color coded by neighborhood and by time. So you know that it was meant for you on this date.
Starting point is 01:27:08 You're not being up an old leaflet and reading it. It made 1.2 million robo calls, sent 1.2 million leaflets. And then, before they bought an apartment building, they sent a little piece of ordinance, a little tiny missile called a roof knocker. They sent it from a drone or helicopter, and it goes and hits the top. And everybody knows that's the signal that in one hour or two hours that building is going to be dropped.
Starting point is 01:27:37 They warn him. What happens? A mosque won't let the people leave. It forced them to say there because he knows that's how it makes money, like killing its own civilians. And there has never been an army in the history of the world. And it has been more willing to sacrifice its mothers, its wives, its daughters, and its children to the enemy. And you know, if you think there's not
Starting point is 01:28:02 a moral difference between Hamas and Israel, consider this, what would happen if Israel decided to use human shields? Do you think Hamas would stop every Jew in Israel would be killed? Hamas is chartered, incidentally says it's against Islam It's against Islam and negotiate with Jews unless you're fooling them. Number two, Israel doesn't exist. It is our country and we are going and our mission is to annihilate it. Number three, we're not only going to kill every Jew in Israel, we're going to kill every Jew in the world. That's in its charter.
Starting point is 01:28:44 And this is an old language. we're going to kill every Jew in the world. That's in its charter. And this is an old language. They, as my high neil, is an RT a week ago saying, yeah, that's what we're going to do. We're going to do this again and again and again and again. Oh, telling Israel you've got a negotiate is, I know, you know, what are they going to negotiate over? Is that they consider, I'm not considered,
Starting point is 01:29:03 is that against a violation violation of treachery to Islam in negotiating with the Israelis. I don't see, you know, my heart breaks for the Palestinian people and I have a friend who's there who has five children who's in South Gaza right now and I, you know, said of money this morning and, you know, their lives are horrible. But I don't blame the Israelis, I'm money this morning. And their lives are horrible. But I don't blame the Israelis, I blame. And I'm not co-signing anything for Netanyahu, really good. But I blame Hamas.
Starting point is 01:29:37 My concern is, as a person who lived in Iran for 10 years, I'm in America because I interviewed the Crown Prince of Iran a couple of weeks ago, and we had a great conversation. Some of the things his father did, he wasn't too paranoid enough. Iran fell. U.S. wasn't paranoid enough. We got attacked, and maybe Israel wasn't paranoid enough. Hamas attacked them.
Starting point is 01:29:55 That's where my question was coming from. But go for it. Mr. Kennedy, thank you for the opportunity for the question. Before I heard Joe Rogan talk about your book, The Real Anthony Fauci, I was sadly misinformed and under the impression that RFK Jr. was a kooky quote unquote anti-vaxxer. If it weren't for independent media sources and podcasts, I would have never had the chance
Starting point is 01:30:16 to hear the thoughts of my now favorite presidential candidate, who I believe may be able to save and unite our country in this sad, scary time. What do you do plan to do as president to empower, protect, and elevate independent media sources in podcasts such as P.B.D. and Value Tame-In, Joe Rogan experience, Crystal Ball and Saga and many more? That's a great question. I can tell you this, that on day one, I'm going to issue an executive order to all federal employees, making it a firing
Starting point is 01:30:51 offense to collaborate with media to censor political speech in this country, social media or media. And that would apply to the CIA, the FBI, THS, and all of the agencies we now know from the Twitter files, and other sources, including my litigation, which is in the Supreme Court right now. Kennedy versus Biden and Missouri versus Biden, we know from discovery in those that they were collaborating with over a dozen agencies to censor political speech in this country. And I started getting censored by the White House, 37 hours after President Biden took the oath of office. And that is all outlined in 55-page federal court
Starting point is 01:31:41 decision. And that's wrong. In our country, freedom of speech is the central foundation stone of our country and there's no time in history when we look back and say the people who were censoring speech were the good guys. They're always the bad guys. They're always the first step toward totalitarian rule. the first step toward totalitarian rule, Hamilton, Madison Adams, that we put the guarantee of freedom of expression
Starting point is 01:32:09 in the first amendment because all the other rights are dependent on it. If you have a government that can silence its opponent, it has license for any atrocity. And, you know, we all grew up reading Orwell and Aldous Huxley and Robert Heinlein and Solchenetsen and all of these other writers who were telling us one after the other in our civic class and everything else that if you wanted destroyed democracy, the first place you started is censoring speech.
Starting point is 01:32:45 I thought we all knew that. And it is weird to me that there's so many people in my democratic party who still think it's OK as long as the speech is Republican speech or it's any war or any facts or whatever. The year OK is censoring that as long as you don't spend it. It's censor our speech. Great question, by the way. Thank you.
Starting point is 01:33:08 One of the things that a lot of us are curious about, and we're enamored by the 60th anniversary of your uncle's assassination just recently passed us, and every time a president candidate is running, if I become a president, I'm gonna release 100% of the files and then afterwards they get in and they're like, wow, not necessarily a little bit, maybe later all this stuff. For yourself, I know you work in California, you actually met Sirhan Serhan, if I'm
Starting point is 01:33:36 that mistaken, you had a meeting with him and you stayed it, you believe in the overwhelming evidence that he is not your father's killer, even writing a letter to the parole board on his behalf. There is nobody else that's felt to pay more than the son of a father who was assassinated, who is going to spend his entire life wanted to find out who was behind it. So there's nobody who has more moral authority to go to a person who is claimed to have been the killer. I don't think the sky did it. Then eventually you even uh, governor Newsom reversed the decision of the board parole hearings to grant who is claimed to have been the key to this. I don't think this guy did it. Then eventually you even, Governor Newsom reversed a decision
Starting point is 01:34:06 of the board parole hearings to grant parole to Serhan Serhan. Newsom declined the opportunity, as you called it, to demonstrate the humanity, compassion, idealism of our justice system to which my father devoted his life to. This is you saying this. So one, you become a president.
Starting point is 01:34:24 Are you 100% committing to releasing every data intel you have, even if that means undermining the CIA, which many of these fear that if you do that, the American people, as if they don't trust the CIA enough, it's going to go even lower than lower than lower, of where we're at with that. So one, are you willing to commit to that? And two, when you hear stories of us, Sir Hans Sir Hansel being in jail, why is Newsom
Starting point is 01:34:50 not releasing him? Yeah, I mean, I'm going to release them, you know, immediately. Release of them, I find it odd that President Biden, it's, first of all, it's illegal not to release them. On the 2017 JFK assassination documents act, everything had to be released. So, and by 2017, and President Biden committed to do it, and then, what do you think we haven't thought?
Starting point is 01:35:19 I don't know, you know, the guy to ask that is President Trump, because President Trump also committed to it. And I don't understand it. I'm not going to pretend I understand it. Because President Trump did not like the CIA. So clearly, they're keeping it quiet. Everybody was involved in my uncle's assassination. Practically, everybody is dead.
Starting point is 01:35:42 The only reason to keep it secret at this point is because there's some institutional liabilities, there's institutional reputational liabilities that they don't want us to know about it. And that's the opposite of democracy. Democracy is about transparency. We all need these agencies. They're supposed to be working for us. They need to tell us what happened. And it's the most consequential crime of our, you know, probably of our history. And we ought to know what happened. In terms of my, you know, when I was a little kid, I was in the White House standing next to my uncle's
Starting point is 01:36:21 casket in the East Room. And President Johnson comes in and he tells my mother, my father, and Jackie, that a man named Jack Ruby had just killed the Harvey Oswald, who had shot my uncle, who they say shot my uncle. And at that point, I said to my mother and father, I said, why did he do that? Did he love our family? Because he did an in-a-police station and brought daylight in front of cameras. I would anybody do that.
Starting point is 01:36:55 And I said, did he love our family? And it turns out he did not. He was a mobster and was all involved with the people that my father was putting in jail, but deeply involved with the CIA. And this kind of gun-running subculture that was involved with Cuba. But at that point, my little 10-year-old mind was saying, this makes no sense. And I don't think it made sense to anybody. But I always assumed, sir, hand, kill my father. He confessed to the crime. He said he didn't remember anything. But he pled guilty. And he didn't have a trial. He had a kind of
Starting point is 01:37:40 by sentencing hearing because he pled guilty. So I always assumed that it meant a man in Paul Shreid who had been a very close friend of my father's and political associate. He was one of the top deputies of the United Auto Workers. And he had introduced my father to Cesar Chavez and recruited Cesar Chavez to the labor movement. So he was very close. You know, Cesar Chavez became one of the most, my father's most important political allies.
Starting point is 01:38:11 Shared was standing next to my father when the shooting started and he took the first bullet to his head. And he was OK in the long run, but he was shot in the head. Sura and fired two shots of my father. The first one hit pulse rate. The second, and pulse rate incidentally, the punchline called me and said, I don't know, 10 years ago, and said, I want you to come to my house
Starting point is 01:38:41 and read the autopsy report on your dad. You can imagine the last thing in the world that I ever wanted to do. But I couldn't say no to him because he had taken a bullet for my father. And he was a good friend, so I went and talked to him. And he showed me the autopsy report and then, you know, a lot of other information. But essentially, after reading that, it was impossible for me to believe that Sir Hannah killed my dad and I'll tell you why. Sir and fire two shots at my father.
Starting point is 01:39:15 The first one of my father put Paul's right in the head, the second one. It a door jam, a wooden door jam behind my father, and was later removed from that door jam by the LAPD. At that point, he was grabbed. It was crowded room. There are 77 people in the room in the kitchen. And he was standing in front of a steam table. My father was five feet in front of him.
Starting point is 01:39:43 My father never turned his back. All kinds of eyewitnesses. He was grabbed by six men, including Rayford Johnson, who I've talked to about at Rosie Greer, who was part of the fearsome force of the Oakland Raiders. And four other guys, and they piled on top of them. Rayford Johnson said to me, Sir Ant has a little tiny guy. And almost feeble look, I mean today's feeble looking. I spent about three hours with him and Jay, you know, sitting in the prison with him.
Starting point is 01:40:18 His, these men took his hand, the first thing they did, and pointed away from my father. But Rayford Johnson said, toward the other end of the room, Rayford Johnson said to me, Rayford Johnson was the de-Cathalon champion in 1960, a huge guy, super strong. And he said, this little man had superhuman strength. And I could not get the gun away from him. And he emptied the revolve. It was a revolver. He emptied it. He had eight shots in it and he never reloaded it and
Starting point is 01:40:51 he shot six times in the other direction. All six of those bullets hit people. Five of them. One of them had made, you know, went through one guy's clothing and another, and also wanted his leg. He made people misdemean, you know, we know what happened to every one of those bullets, right? As eight bullets, we know what happened to every one of them. My father, the autopsy report shows, was shot four times from behind. And they were contact shot. One of them went through, one of them did not
Starting point is 01:41:27 hurt him, but went through the shoulder pad of his jacket. The other one's all hit him. And the last one, which was the most fatal, was right behind his ear, an inch from his ear, but with the barrel touching his skin. And the other ones were all contact shots, meaning they were within probably a half an inch of his skin and clothing, and they left carbon tattoos on his skin. And Sirhan was never behind my father. And there was many, many eyewitnesses. Oh, the guy who almost certainly fired that shot, those shots, was a man called Eugene Thain Sayesr. And Eugene Thain Sayesr died a year and a half ago in the Philippines.
Starting point is 01:42:11 I was in conversations trying to say him and he said he would talk to me. And I had to pay him $10,000 and then he, when I was about to leave, he said, now I want $20,000 and then he said, I want 25,000 and I realized he's playing me, so I didn't go. He was a security guard who had gotten the job the day before. When people already knew where my father was going, his real job was in the, he originally worked for Hughes Tool in which a military contractor owned by Howard Hughes and run by a lot of guys from Las Vegas. And then he went to Boeing and Lockheed and he had top secret clearance. And he was, he described himself Lisa P. Jesus, and her, who's an author, and documents where he describes
Starting point is 01:43:08 himself as a CIA agent. So any public was very public about his hatred for my father. He thought my father was going to turn the country over to black people. And he, and you know And he then lied continuously to the police. By the way, my father, when he fell, fell on to Caesar. And Caesar was under, Caesar escorted him. He wasn't supposed to go into the kitchen.
Starting point is 01:43:41 He grabbed him by his elbow and escorted him into the ambush. Surrends ambush. And presumably, while Surrend was shooting at everybody, he could see this man firing. He was quietly, the bullets in my father. The gun was laying against some skin and all of them were on an upward trajectory. This is what the autopsy report shows. And my father must have known that he was being shot by Sir Ham because he turned and pulled off as he was falling. He pulled off Cesar's clip on tie. And if you see the pictures of my father lying on the ground, some of the early ones have a clip on tie, then my father, my mother took that out and put a rosary in my dad's
Starting point is 01:44:30 hand. Oh, but the original ones have that clip on tie. And say, there's, he would, and by the way, 12 people saw him when he got up. He pushed my father's off of him and stood up and he had his gun drawn. And when the police came, he said he had pulled his gun to fire at Surhan. But they never confiscated this gun. And then he lied about the gun later. And the gun has now been recovered. It had a very weird journey. It was stolen.
Starting point is 01:45:15 It was thrown into a lake by some teenagers. The lake was drained. And there's a guy now. The gun is now being tested, but it's clear that Sir Hand was involved, and there's a long, long backstory to that to what made it might have happened that I'm not going to talk about it in speculate because it's a long story. But that he did not actually fire the shots that killed my dad. Do you think the same reason why no president
Starting point is 01:45:49 is given the entire information of what happened with your uncle's assassination is the same reason why Governor Newsom isn't releasing Serhan Serhan. Do you think those two are the same reasons? No, I think Governor Newsom had a good relationship with me. Okay. And he would have done it. a good relationship with me. And he would have done it.
Starting point is 01:46:07 He parted with me on the COVID. I became very critical of him. And then there's a number of members of my family who just wants her hand in jail. And they have not, you know, my family. My family, and I understand them. I have total compassion for them. And I don't have any resentments or anything,
Starting point is 01:46:29 any differences with them. I, they're wrong. And I also, my family, the whole nation was traumatized by my dad's death. My family was directly traumatized by my dad's death. My family was directly traumatized by his death, and most of them cannot bear to read anything about the assassination. Even when we were kids,
Starting point is 01:46:54 any of you, my age, particularly when the subruder tapes came out with my uncle's assassination, they were played constantly on TV all the time and those pictures, played constantly on TV all the time. And those pictures, those videos on TV of my uncle waving from the back of the Conferno Bowl with his beautiful wife, Jackie sitting next to him. And bowing over in the car, those were played. I don't know how many times on TV when I was a kid, millions sometimes. They were played again and again and again. When those came on the TV in my house,
Starting point is 01:47:28 somebody would go and turn off the TV because everybody was traumatized by it. And today, to this day, I'm probably the only one in my family who's actually read, done research on the assassination, who's been to Dealy Plaza, who's written about it. And I wrote a book, my own book, American Values, that talks about the 60 year, which my biography,
Starting point is 01:47:54 but it's about the 60 year battle that my family had with the CIA. And so I understand my family wants that closure and they don't want this, they don't want Sir Ann out on the street with news people following them, reminding them, feeling uncomfortable to come to us, Angela is because he's walking around and them being resentful at me for getting involved in this issue and resuscitating all the pain and trauma that they had, I get it, and I support them, but I don't agree with them. You know, for us, it's different because we're curious for you. It's personal because it's your life. It's what you experience. Do you, when you're talking about this,
Starting point is 01:48:46 are you comfortable talking about this? Does this, one of the reasons why you are choosing to run, is this one of the reasons why you're so driven and determined to go out there and maybe get to the bottom of the truth for your family's legacy? No, I would not run for president for this reason. I think it is important for Americans, because I think we took a,
Starting point is 01:49:07 a, that was a fork in the road for American democracy. My father, my, my, one, three days before my uncle took a office, the outgoing president, president Eisenhower, gave what I think we should today regard as the most important speech in American history, where he warned Americans against the domination that this emerging military industrial complex that would turn us into an empire abroad and a national security state at home and destroy our role as the world's exemplary democracy. And he had been the commander of the Chief in World War II,
Starting point is 01:49:45 so his words were very important. And then my uncle, I was on my birthday in 1960, January 17, 61, my uncle takes office three days later. And then his thousand days in office are just a constant fist fight with the military and industrial complex to keep the country out of war. They kept trying to trick them into war. They did it at the Bay of Pigs three months in.
Starting point is 01:50:09 They told me, you got it, send these guys over. And he said, I'm not using the military to invade a country. And I don't like communism, I don't like cash row. But the Cubans have to make their own determination about what kind of government they're going to have. The US can't go into all these other countries and change governments around. And he said, I don't want the US military involved. I don't think we should be involved in any part of it.
Starting point is 01:50:34 And they said, don't worry. We'll use United Fruit Company boats to get them in there. And he said, I'm not giving air cover. I just want you to know that. They said, where you won't need it. And he said, why? Cash was 200,000 soldiers in the best intelligence agencies. And why do you think 2,000 men are gonna be evident
Starting point is 01:51:01 in a win this battle? And they said, because we have the whole thing rewired and rigged. And there's going to be a big uprising in Cuba. And it's all done. This one, Alan Dulles told him, Richard Bissell, Charles Caballo, was the military general of the CIA. He suspected that, but he couldn't believe they just lined him.
Starting point is 01:51:24 And when those men were dying on the beach and they were telling, now you got to send in your air cover, you got to send in the air stick, the air grab carrier. He said, I'm not. And he realized he'd been tricked and they thought a young president would, you know, cave in to avoid humiliation. It was the lowest point of my own presidency that those men were dying because of his bad decision. It was the lowest point of my own presidency that those men were dying because of his bad decision.
Starting point is 01:51:47 He took the blame publicly, but privately he said, I want to take the CIA and shatter it into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds. Then over the next couple of months he fired dollars, he fired Cabell, he fired Bissol, and he tried to clean up the agency. And then they tried to get him to go into the house. He refused. They called him a traitor for that. They tried to get him to go into Cuba in 61 and again in 62 during the Missile Crisis.
Starting point is 01:52:16 He wouldn't send it. He wouldn't go in vain. They tried to get him to go in Berlin in 62 and he wouldn't try to get him to go in Vietnam. They said, you need 250,000 troops. His closest people he trusted like Max Taylor, Avril Arrim and Dean Acheson. They said, if you don't send it to 250,000 troops, the Vietnamese government is going to collapse.
Starting point is 01:52:39 And he said, it's their government. It can't be our fight. We can help them. The way the French helped us during the revolution, but we cannot fight, this cannot be the American war. And he did send in 16,000 advisors, they were not under the rules of engagement,
Starting point is 01:52:55 allowed the participate in combat, they were mainly Green Berets. And then they were fewer people than he sent to the University of Mississippi to Ole Miss to get one black man in, right, to college. There were a few people, but then he found out in October of 62, of 63. He found out a green beret died. And he as Walt Rothsdow, or a casually list, and at Walt Rothsdow came back and said,
Starting point is 01:53:24 there's 75 Americans already died over there. I don't know if I said that's too many. We're bringing them all home. And that afternoon, he signed National Security Order 263, ordering all military personnel out of Vietnam with the first thousand coming home in November and the last one coming home the following December. the last one coming on the following December. And he, 30 days to the day after he signed that order, he was murdered.
Starting point is 01:53:52 And a week after that, President Johnson were mended the order and then sent 250,000 troops in. Nixon came to him and sent 560,000. 56,000 never came home of our guys. We killed a million of them. 56,000 of ours never came home, including my cousin George scapegoat died in the Tetafanson. And then my father ran against the war in 68.
Starting point is 01:54:19 He wins the California primary, meaning he's on his way to the White House, and he shot that night. Art Luther King had become a peace activist two months before he was shot. He's tromised. My uncle's death, my father, King's death, the Fianomore itself, 9-11, and COVID. Each one of these tromised pushed us a little farther down that road. And I, as the hour warns us against where today, we are the military and industrial complex. Our democracy, nobody in this country believes that their voices are audible in
Starting point is 01:54:57 Washington. Everything is rigged and everybody knows that it's like the kabuki theater of a democracy. It's not real. It's a Hollywood stage set with people pretending to have elections that are already chosen in advance and everything else. And I'm not being paranoid.
Starting point is 01:55:14 Just look what's happening right now. So I think part of unraveling that and going back to original idealism and the other view of an American future and America is the exemplarination and the moral authority around the globe means going back and looking at the original trauma and exposing what actually happened to my uncle. I think one thing that's very appealing and attractive to you as a candidate is millions on top of millions of Americans are sick and tired of there being a lack of accountability and not being told what's taking place.
Starting point is 01:56:00 I have 50 more questions I can ask you but we're at the end of the town hall here. I appreciate you for coming out for the folks that are watching out there. You can go to Kennedy24.com to support the QR code. It's on the bottom right of the screen while you're looking at this. Everybody in here, appreciate you guys for coming up. And last but not least, Bobby, from you coming out here telling the stories, I could have gone two more hours with you. Sincerely, I learned, I'm like, your nephew there's like,
Starting point is 01:56:26 well, you know, I was going to squandering, what are you studying political sound love? That makes sense. I said, you're a break to do this. I'm like, dude, you're gonna get a PhD on political science, being around you once again, appreciate you for coming out. Thank you so much.
Starting point is 01:56:36 Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:56:43 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you.

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