PBD Podcast - Roger Clemens Throwing Broken Bat on Mike Piazza | Ep. 242 | Part 2

Episode Date: March 3, 2023

In this episode, Patrick Bet-David and Roger Clemens will discuss: Roger Clemens throwing a broken bat on Mike Piazza  Roger Clemens' toughest opponent  Roger Clemens on meeting Michael Jordan  Sterling Sharpe's hall of fame speech FaceTime or Ask Patrick any questions on https://minnect.com/Want to get clear on your next 5 business moves? https://valuetainment.com/academy/Join the channel to get exclusive access to perks: https://bit.ly/3Q9rSQLDownload the podcasts on all your favorite platforms https://bit.ly/3sFAW4NText: PODCAST to 310.340.1132 to get added to the distribution list --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

I did throw the mic. How was that? It sucked. It sucked. And I sucked. It sucked. And I sucked. It was the all-star game.

I don't think I got it. It took me about six batters to get it out. Was there any camaraderie at all? Yeah, we were pros. You know, Mike's a good guy, man. But I mean, everybody makes it such a big deal. But I had some battles with other guys, too. By the way, for the audience that maybe that's unfollowed.

You just played the clip, we have two of them. Maybe pick one of them, whichever one you want. This is one of them, you and Mike. Yeah. Oh yeah, the broken bag. You grabbed the bat and you threw it back at him. Well, no, if I'd have thrown at him, I'd have got him.

I threw it on the deck, sir. Everybody's, and TV made it look close. And they were saying, oh, you said it on the on deck, sir. Everybody's and TV made it look close. And they're saying, oh, you said it was the ball. Well, when you're 60 feet away and the bat shatters before piece of the head. And when the head first came, what do we know to be the head of that? But when it first came towards me, you can see I went in a fielding position.

Yeah. I thought the I thought it was a line drive back at me. But there's there's a couple of other guys that wanted to piece of him before that. So yeah, everyone talks about that you threw the bat at him. It's like, no, hold on. The bat almost hit me first. Yeah.

Well, again, I broke a guy. That's not make Roger seem innocent here. I'm Roger. You were Tom. You were trying to get in his head as well. You were, you were, you were, you were, you were, you were, you were, you were short toughness. The 98-month-hour fastballs, well, I'm trying to get into his mind. When he break the bat broke,

the first sphere you see, I'm 54 feet away once I release the ball. And once you see that coming at you, that's why I went in the field. And of course, by fate, it takes two hops and it's in my lap and I take it, and I don't even know, and he didn't know where the ball was.

That's why he was jogging. And I whistle it over. How was that pick? There was a picture on TV, it looks like it might be from us, but it was further than that. And I said, just give me another ball. There was a bunch of stuff leading up to that world series, trying to make it, he and I were almost a bigger story

than the world series. And I was really pissed about that. But we also had a scouting report, which was fine by me because our guys and Going to scouting port they said we're pitching him in fast balls in and if you miss you miss inside his jersey And it's okay with me because he it makes a great hitter He hit every breaking ball that I think I threw to him and so I had no problem just trying to live in there and again It was a game like

Similar when I face I talked about Reggie Jackson. Somebody like Piazza, they're gonna get your best. He's one of their obviously best players in the league at the time and on the Metz for sure. And I was sitting at about 91, 92, he stepped in. I think all three pitches including the one that shattered about about 98. Reggie bitch is about, at me, which I'll see,

wait, I tell the story at bank, what's what he loves. I wanted to get to the big leagues face Reggie. And I was sitting in about 93 with, you know, most of the guys and Reggie was hitting fourth. And here we go. I mean, I was like 97, 98 to Reggie. Reggie's like, what's going on? I go, you're Reggie Jackson.

I mean, come on. Yeah, you're going to get everybody's best. There's no days off for guys like that. I like what you said. You said in an interview, you said, you know, guys, you question, who's the toughest hitter you face? You obviously gave the love to Reggie Jackson

because that's who you wanted to face off. But then you said, you never had a problem with home run hitters because even pool holds, you said, you have one pitch every time. If you miss it, it's over. I'm gonna get you, right? So you said something like that.

And he said, the guys you had a problem with were more the contact, like the 20-goentapa guys. Who were some of the guys if you say contact? Who were some of the tough guys? Man, just in American League, a few teams, they had guys that were, they just had great eye hand coordinates. You make a bastard pitch, 02, and with especially at Fenway Park, there's no foul ground. It'd be different in pitching in Oakland. That's the most foul ground. So they were just, they're good enough. I tell them that guys in the big leagues can put wood on a bullet, doesn't matter how hard you

throw. They can they can spoil a really good pitch. So if I get an 11-pitch at bat with you in the first inning, now I'm not getting to the ninth inning, which I know that sounds what we're just talking about guys going for when I said nine people are going nine nine innings. Then I might not be an aiding pitcher. It happens again. I'm only getting to the seventh. So I'm throwing my two seamer, which I call a bowling ball. I do a heavy two seamer down in the zone. I want you to hit it. What we call the kitty litter. If you ever look at the place in front of home plate where they water it down really good, other home teams

water it down more and they put more dry dirt on it because you hit it and that's like hitting kiddie litter stops the ball from getting through the infield. And then sometimes the guys will grow like it wriggly they'll grow that grass for inches high. It's like hitting out of us open rough. It's not getting through that. And you're inches high wriggly. If you're if you're if you're a ground ball pitcher, I mean, that's six, four, three all day. That's why that's why they, you know, you can do that. But those guys, now Tony Gwyn's a whole different animal. I mean, that's 643 all day. That's why that's why they, you know, you can do that. But those guys, now Tony Gwynn's a whole different animal. I face Tony in an all-star game and I tried to ask some of the guys, hey, I know Tony because I watched Tony take batting practice

and he played around the world with his bat in the ball in batting practice. His first two swings, he would hit it into the cage that he was in. Next two down on the chalk line and left. Next two in the gap center field, right field come all the way around to pull in two homers down the right field line. That's crazy. That's how good he was to where the ball was going. So I thought the guys were messing with me. They go, you're gonna face Tony Gwynne.

Doi, doi, doi, doi, my 94 mile in our fastball right down the middle. I go, that's funny. You guys want him to take me deep? They go, no, if you pitch him, he's gonna hit a double that way. You mean he's gonna pull you. I'm telling you, throw it. I got a photo on my phone and then I'll start

giving him a huge number. First one, I thought right down the middle. He swings right through. He kind of looking at me. He came believe it. And then he ended up flying out, but it was a guy exactly, you know, we had a Tony Gwyn. It was Wade Boggs. Boggs, he could, Boggs, he could hit with his eyes closed

with the sunshine and running. It just thinks, Swing. Yeah, just, he, he, he, he, he, just a, he just a flat out hitter. He could pull him all over the, was he, was he, was he dangerous, was he very handsy? Very handsy. Very handsy. Yeah. Larry Walker. Did you ever pitch to Larry? I may have, I met Larry at some golfing events later and we Very handsy. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands. Very hands We put Frank Thomas, Wong Gonzalez, those guys, well those are AL, right? So you pitch with those guys. Yeah. Do you have any stories with one or Frank or just, you know, another player you pitch? Just good hitters. I mean, you got to catch him on the right day, maybe. How about Griffey? Griff was tough.

Griff had some home, my story about Griff, we were in all star games together and I had the two older boys there little. This one, Nintendo was big up in Seattle. You know, he could get on the Nintendo games he could get. So, so the boys down messing around the lobby or whatever and they got on the elevator, they run to the room. We're getting ready to go over for a media day. And they're all giddy. Dad, we just met King Griffith Jr.

Because I go, you did. And yeah, what's up? He goes, he said that for us to tell you that when you face him in the second half, if you throw him some fastballs right down the middle, he'll give us all the Nintendo games. I go, I go, you stay away from it. They're kids. The kid.

Yeah, I said, you stay away from grip. Bad influence. You got to, I mean, do Pat a favor here. Pat's guy was Juan Gonzales. Was it not? That was your guy. That was your guy. No, he's dangerous.

You got any good Juan Gonzales stories for Pat and Metal Man. I guy. That was your guy. No, he's dangerous. You got any good Juan Gonzales stories for Pat and I mean. I'm pretty sure I faced him with the Rangers a lot. Yeah. I just, you know, he was dangerous. He's a guy that, you know, you had a stat of his little hotspot because he just, he's just so strong. Boy, oh, I was thinking when you brought up Molotar,

Robin Yount. So my rock, my Robin Yount story. I'm like right off the campus. So I got a little piss and bitter gurn, you know, feeling pretty good. And we're in Milwaukee and Ralph Howeck's our manager. Now Ralph, you know, older. So some of the scouting reports weren't on par.

And, you know, I had a veteran staff Bruce Hurst, who gave my nickname to Rocket after I Hurst he gave me that. We had some veteran guys on the pitching staff. And so now I'm facing, Molotar I was getting out and this Robin Yow comes up and he's already won one MVP at Shorestub, he's gonna win another one in center field, right? In America League.

And the scouting research said we're gonna play, pitching away, we're gonna play him away. We're gonna play him away We're up three nothing and I throw I throw in one about 96 on the outside corner Nehy He hits it it goes by this year. I can hear it sounds like bacon in a fairly miss me it lands second row dead center field It old mill walkie that that dude old Bernie or whatever's going down the slide and the damn believe all that's going on Homer three one. I was like pissed off. I was like, man, that was damn good. I can't believe that comes up next guy. Molector's on a walking. He got a hit.

It's five one, seven thinning, I think I throw one. It's about at least a ball off the plate. It goes by this year into the bleachers, about third row. People going crazy. They pull me out of your five, five three. I'm in the tunnel. It's old tunnel, nasty tunnel. And I'm and they didn't have covers on the lights.

And I'm hitting it with my glove. I'm bustin' light. I'm cussin' and swearing. F this year. I'm an F you're having a bullshit. I'm with bull. And I'm and I got a group and swearing. F, F, this you are having, F, you're having, you're having, you're having, I was bullshitting, I'm, and I got a group of pictures following me and I get upstairs and I get in the ice.

And this is again, I don't think cell phones are, and if you called the clubhouse, you had to go through the operator at the main stadium and then she would patch you into the visiting clubhouse. So I'm isin and the guys come up and after I cooled off and Hurst, he looks at me. He goes, he goes rock. He goes, let me tell you something.

He goes a great game. He goes, but, cause I said, I ain't that, you know, I must have said he ain't that F and good or something, you know, and Hurst, and the guys are like, first of all, that's Robin Yow, two things. He is that effing good. Mm hmm. And number two is don't listen to Ralph scouting reports that a little out of date.

And I go, thanks for telling me that now. Yeah. Well, you know, him and him and him, a bread got three thousand same season by the way. Unbelievers kind of wild. Yeah. KC and Milwaukee. So now, getting a mison phone rings a call-house. Games over. The guys are shaking hands are on their way up and that's why she didn't powfching. This is you got a phone call at your mother on the phone. What my mom called the

call-house. I mean, this is where she never done something something had to happen. I get on a phone. Hey, honey, great game, great game. And this nice, she goes, Hey, before you get out of the Milwaukee, will you get Robin Yowth's autograph for him?

He owns you. Oh, man. My mom. Mom. She wanted me to get his autograph because he owns me. What a mom. Yeah. I got a real.

I got to go. She goes, yeah, because I know if I didn't call you, wouldn't get it, but he's a really, he's a good player. Oh. And he owned you. Crazy. Well, she liked that. Well, she was. Yeah, but I met with him.

We had a national deal for Mother's Day and I had tried and get back at her couple. By the way, I want to show you guys a guy, a first pitch we haven't given him enough credit. So do you remember when you guys would do the Red River Classic? Oh gosh. You know, I sponsored it. We would have made sponsor in 2019 and I was the first pitch. And I want to brag about my first pitch. So I want to be job.

I'm in here. Why you get this? Yeah, you're there by the way. Watch this here. Oh, yeah. Look at that. I know this. This is how I get picked up.

Stop the hat. Hey, stop. Dude, can't talk about cats. You're at the, would Toby and all of us? Yeah, of course. How did a good time with you guys? What was going on there? I don't know, maybe we had like 50 people there

from our guys, our headquarters like 10 miles away. Part of a beautiful stadium. Frisco, man. Yeah, we brought the kids. It was fun. I love the city. Just throwing ground. I think I had Mokana playing short,

and he dies after both knees are bleeding after the first and said, dude, this is celebrity softball. Yeah, you ain't got it. I'm he laying out and I got Marcus's trail there I mean in some guys are hitting bullets man. They didn't realize it's a real like people show up him Yeah, this is at the beginning of the game by the end of it. There was people there, but people show up the Khan It was there. Yeah, all of them. There's a bunch of them. I'm probably not a name in them correctly, but there's a bunch of guys out there. Roger, can I, let me ask you. So who was the greatest, the Oklahoma coach? What's his name, the coach of Oklahoma, everybody brags about.

He was there. Switcher. Very switcher. Very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very,

very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, you hear this. Roger, I wanna ask you about like a pinch me moment. So, you know, you're throwing all these names out there. So we, I don't know if you've got a major pinch me moment. For me, I interviewed Vince Vaughn one time randomly. You're like, I love Vince Vaughn, you're for Kidney. To your thrown out names that you've met,

you interviewed Michael Jordan, you're hanging out with Larry Bird, Yogi Barra, names of names of names. What's your greatest pinch me moment that you're like, I can't. I love doing this with you. All right. I mean, this is, this is fun. And like I said, I should have kept a journal. What mom said to do it, but if I had to kept it,

probably been a two year player and out had nothing to, a big in history, love, obviously being embossed. I met the Kennedys. Just so many cool guys, I mean, they meet you like I tell guys, they're like, hey, on the mound, I go, that's my job. I was brought up that way. I take it very seriously. Like I said, I changed,

when I did it, again, I jump around here with these questions, but my sisters always remind me that two days my mom set at the kitchen table with her hand when our electricity got turned off. So come on guys, so that's again, that's why, Chas, you silver million, no, no, no, no, no, no, do your homework. Okay, I said, you know, it might have happened for some,

but, you know, I didn't have a car in high school. I ran with my backpack from my high school to our town home. And so, but to be able to meet some of these people I ran with my backpack from my high school to our town home. So, but to be able to meet some of these people and they see you and they say, hey, man, you're funny, they see me DJing. I go, that's stuff I love to do.

I'm pitch, I love it. But again, it was about winning because I'm wearing a city on my chest. I want to perform. You guys come get a dog and take, right from work, you know, get your bearing a dog. I want, there's nothing worse than driving home after I've laid an egg. I get knocked out in a third inning I hate it But again, I like I told the guys other than the club boss

I won 200 games because I was on with my heaters split and I was on you had no chance the games that I got out of second and third bases loaded and You know the my catchers are like, after the game, I have no idea how we did that. We won five to four. But that's what they pay you to do. They pay you to pitch. I know going the bar.

When I wake up, I go through the lineup, take a shower, I go through the lineup. Were you guys preparing, this is fun for me because you guys are bringing stuff on me that I forgot about. So it makes it fun for me. Now, I'm washing my hair, I mean, this is fun for me because you guys are bringing stuff on me that I forgot about. So it makes it fun for me. Now, I'm washing my hair, I'm going through the lineup. I know when I get to the stadium in that game,

I'm gonna have second, third and one out, somewhere in that game, I'm gonna have to get out of it to win the game. And so it's your mindset. I go to progressions, like I said, physically I got you, all the laps I ran on back feels nobody saw, all the fielding. I told the guys again in the clubhouse I'll tell you guys I said you know what your strength are you polish those but you freaking know what your weaknesses are and just like in other games

I know what you do best I'm gonna try and I'm gonna take that away from you at the plate immediately Especially when I pitch inside I don't pitch inside to hit guys I pitch inside to make a 17 inch plate a 24 inch plate. I tell the pitchers that pitch inside late. It does nothing for you. They're gonna climb right back on the plate. I pitch in early. So when the guys are still dicking around on the bench, spitting sunflower seeds, the first boom. Strike everybody talks about. Second pitch, boom inside, lighting up a little bit. Everybody bench goes, oh shit, here we go, here we go. We got a game. So now you get guys' attention and you do your thing that way. But I've met so many cool people.

I mean, what's your best Michael Jordan story? What's your best Michael Jordan story? Well, MJ gambles with a good friend of mine, and it's crazy. It's crazy what they do. He's super competitive I got to go down and play Grove 23 a couple weeks ago. He was there kind of hit me from behind and I actually myself an Erlacker won his last year of his tournament at At Shadow Creek. I think we beat what then was Bruce Jenner.

And Penny Hardaway. And these are ledges. Bruce Slash, Caitlin. She hits the ball far. And I just said, you know, if we if we play again and she's hitting from the ladies, Steve, we got no chance because she's because Caitlyn's a good player too. And but anyway, he's nice guy. And but we yeah, yeah, we we got after him pretty good and won that tournament. And but you know, just watching Michael play, I thought it was really cool when he was trying

to play baseball. I think we were teasing them that somebody like that, if they got close to facing one of us in the majors, whether it be a devastating breaking ball or a 95, you got the double A. And we had a little thing that, he'd be writing home to mom, says, dear mom, just saw my first big league breaking ball. PS, be home soon. Be home soon, that's absolutely. But did he have any chance of ever making it to the majors, it wasn't even close or what? T-T-Bull probably had maybe a little edge,

just being a competitive athlete like he is, but it's a different deal, man. It'd be like, you know, trying to, trying to backpedal on a fast break with Michael coming at you. You got no chance. Yeah. And, uh, so when you hear LeBron saying, I may play for the Cowboys stuff like that,

you think it's the same thing, or you think LeBron is a different thing. He could actually be a receiver. Uh, no. Yeah. Okay. Same thought. Yeah.

Those guys, and if you ever, I mean, even in college, when you're on the sidelines and you see a guy coming around and he's got the, he's got eight yards, get a first down, you see it and the gap closes in two yards. I mean, it's crazy how, I mean, again, the biggest game we had this past year, Alabama came into Austin and first time I met Sark, I mean, he's been the mat, but it was really cool. He said a load all his coaches. Then he came down. He saw me and gave me a hug. He was, he's a huge red socks guy. And, but, uh, to see, I guess, I guess a question will be to follow it. So, so what do you say about guys like Brian Jordan Dionne? Oh, those three guys, because they played, they, they, they played, it'd be like, you know, it'd be like the guys that are trying

to go on the buy.com tour and, and go off to. I mean, it's a different level. They're I played with guys in the top 10 at the time in the 80s and 90s, even. And there's a difference between the 11th ranked player in the world and the top five. There's a difference in what they're doing. Now, it might be the mental part of it, like I was alluding to earlier. Physically, I got you, you know, I'm on a backfield. I know my fielding isn't great, but I got guys hitting me. Fungos, why everybody else is leaving the stadium and I'm taking 75 comebackers and throwing them and whistling them to third doing whatever. And then I be coming above average fielder.

So when we get the playoff time, somebody's going to lay down a bump in a crucial spot. I got to get my ass on it and get the guy third. I'm ready for that. And the second phase is the mental part of the game which I think is the biggest thing. Mentally, I'm fucking gonna kill ya. I got you. Okay. You believe that and you know that. 100%.

100%. If you make eye contact, I want you to make eye contact for me to come at a play. But that's just the old school guys, you know, where I learned, like I said, the drys, the don't drys, the interview. What is the eye contact, dude? To the person. Well, I't drys do, interview. What is the eye contact, dude, to the person?

Well, I'm just eyeballing, just a little bit, and just trying to stay locked in, really. And then after that, once he stands in a box, I don't care if it's a rookie or a pool host, I'm not really, I know where your hotspots are, but I'm not focused on that. I'm focused on what I'm doing. And then emotions come into play.

Now, in 24 years, I showed my backside a few times, but I care. That's what I said. I got that from my mom. I care about my work. Everybody started doing this with their gloves, right? Where they're hiding it. Sometimes I got in a little, arguing with a couple guys and a few, what's my t-shirt say?

I love Jesus by do swear a little. So I would put my glove up and, to hide that, but that was cause of my mom, like we're on national TV and I got into a little swearing contest with some guy and after the game mom called again. She says, honey, can you, can you, you know, your brothers and sisters are watching.

Can you put your glove up for any of your face? So that's, I think that's where it all started coming from. And it's good that she's not saying don't do it. You're saying just cover it up. Yeah, just cover it up. Yeah. So she was, you know, she was, I mean, I had to pitch the night we lost her. I was in Austin.

She passed away in Austin and I had to pitch that night. And I knew she would want me to pitch. Tribute to mom, her favorite movie was Field of Dreams. So when I went to Louisville sluggier, I was able to obtain Shulis Joe Bat from that movie. And so yeah, that was pretty cool. I mean, it was part of, but anyway, that's the transitions I go through.

And emotions, I'll play on emotions, grandma being sick, mom passing to try and elevate my game a little bit. Yeah. Who's favorite movie was Field of Dreams? As your mom, yeah, I got to tell you, if you, I love the field of dreams, Kevin Costner, all those movies, it was even Robin Hood back in the day. Dance as well. But if you don't cry, when at the end of the walls, but if you don't cry, when at the end of the movie, he plays catch with his dad, who comes back to life.

I mean, like you've got nothing like. Big time. By the way, best baseball movies ever. What do you, I mean, you got Major League, you got the Sandlot, you've got Field of Dreams, the natural, money ball, even, you've interviewed Billy Bean. It was a rookie with both of the swan times. I love money ball. 42 recently.

Yeah, what was it majorly the what was the best line I'm trying to think was now they're running together but Robert Wall who Robert considers him. I didn't know what the agent right. He's my Hollywood agent. So it's on Arles like three times. Arles was my Arles was my guy for We I played I played like a old Christie Mass in 19 16 Philadelphia's whatever was but Robert was in there with me and it was the only baseball scene with Tommy Lee Jones called Cobb Yeah, and kind of dark, but it was the only baseball season, but What was it?

We're talking about the movie. So it's a shower scene. The manager is screaming at the guys, get everybody in the shower. Get as you get a minute to get into their accountant. And they're all in the shower. Roberts, there's the pitching coach and the managers air in their ass out. He goes, whatever his name was, the pitching coach goes he goes so and so. What's our record? He goes to 10 a man. He goes eight and 16 coach.

He goes eight and 16. He goes how the hell did we win the game? Yeah, I think that was that coach by the way where he's just like every time I come in here, you're bitching about something. It's an arm day. But it's a leg thing. It's gotta be. Well, that's where I got my jersey, Lollie Gaggers.

Lollie Gaggers. Lollie Gagging in the infield. That's where I got Lollie Gagging in the infield. I have that coat. I have a jersey when I DJ sometimes, Lollie Gaggers. So is that your favorite? Would you say that's it? Yeah, probably, probably.

I mean, there's some good ones. I got a couple of the questions here for you. They're filming that in Milwaukee, by the way. The one on the top right. Supposed to look like Cleveland. No, they did that in Milwaukee County Stadium. Speaking of Milwaukee, just in late breaking news, Robin Yant is on the phone here.

He wants to have a conversation with you. But you know, you said something. You said, when you're up there, you know, physically I got you, mentally I'm locked in, just make eye contact. I got it. Then it's emotional like those three. Sometimes my back, grab it.

All that stuff you're talking about. Physical, mental, emotional, fine. Derek Jeter said something. He says Roger Clements is in another world when he's pitching. He's there, but he's not there. What does he mean by that? Derek has to holler at me twice to step off the mound. You know, when there's something going on,

he has to get my attention twice. Deach, you play with DJ, I mean, obviously, everybody knows. It's probably a better person that he has baseball player, and that's saying a lot. And teammate, one of the best, I think that when I competed against him, he knew he was going to get my best at that time. And then he found out when we came to me. They put a little joke on me when I came over.

My first live VP in Tampa at the stadium, I think it was G. Noblock and Tino, and they all climbed in the cage with full catchers gear on. Because G. said, you hit me all the time. I said, you crowd the plate, your hands are over. I said, most of the time I hit you, it was a strike. You know, so we went out of that way. But, I guess the way I did. Have you seen a movie Legends of Back of Rans?

I have. Okay, so you know how he says, you know, like, there's a scene where everybody's around. He's about to hit the shot and will it's trying to get him to say the audience disappears. Did you really get to a point where the audience disappeared or no? I tell this all the time, Pat, you hit it right on head. It's, I think it's the same scene where the fairway looks like it just goes inside. Exactly. Yeah.

And that's where you get to, the young pitching coach of the Phillies, we just talked the other day. And he was taking notes and, taking notes and I got on some stuff that nobody would think about. Like at Fenway Park and at Yankee Stadium, I had the ground crew Moe, their last Moe job, right down Broadway. And the Moe is about the width of a pitcher's rubber. And so when I'm standing on the mound, I have, it's like a bowler. I have a lane where I'm going to. And if I keep missing a bowler too off here, some of these guys start jacking with their arm angle.

All you gotta do is move over one inch. It's like a go, if I'm hitting a slice and I'm out there gambling against you, and I gotta, I'm gonna go to the right side of the tee box, and I'm gonna hit that, I'll fix it on the range and then I'll, instead of next to you, you know, I'll owe you a grand at the end of the round, you know? So that's the same thing with that.

The, sometimes the turf has the, the seam that, you know, is going right down Broadway. So it's just a great vision, say, so now, so now you're not thinking about, oh, am I gonna do good or bad against, you're locked in on what you're doing. How do you get there, dude? How do you get, what do you do you, okay, so for example,

like, you know, good ones can do it, man. I know that, but there's a routine, like, you know, your public speaker, first time you speak, you scared shitless, you're like, oh my God, what if I scroll, what are you breathing? So how do you control the laws? And do you look at them?

Do you not make eye contact? You shouldn't just look at somebody else, act like you're looking, but you're not. So, you know, so, but after the two minutes, you're rolling. No question you know, so the, it's been after the two minutes, you're rolling. No question about it. So, but you're, but a great speaker when he's going up there, he has a routine.

He's telling himself something, right? You're about to go to the mound. What are you telling yourself? Are you telling yourself? Are you listening? Like when I had Kobe, Kobe talked about how he's listening to certain music, song, you know, Friday the 13th, he will listen to that song to get himself.

He had a psychological, he would get into the zone. Was there a routine? Was there a song? Was there a book? Was there a quote? Was there an affirmation? Were you telling yourself something? You got this, Roger.

Just remember when you were 14, it's the love of the game. What are you feeding yourself before you go up there? What they say about your, your, your, your, your, your, pressure, you know, you'll find your weaknesses, okay? And that's why we practice perfect. That's why my bullpen sessions are locked in and tense like I'm doing a 12 minute bullpen in between and I'm gonna be starting game three.

Or it might be a Wednesday afternoon business special. It might be as simple as that, not what you wouldn't consider a big game. I'm doing this and I got guys moving over here or the guy doing this and I got somebody talking, no, no, no, stop. Cause I'm gonna be right here. My first three starts in spring training

where you're going one, two innings, I can hear the popcorn vendor. I can see guys moving into the dugout. I can hear my sister something yelling for me. By my last two starts, this free training, just like that movie. I don't hear anything. I see the catcher and it's a game within a game.

I've had, like I said, some wonderful catchers in my career and I'll call them out sometimes. So my catchers like to move a little bit more and catch balls on their breastbone. And I tell them I have to call them out and I go sit your ass still, you're moving. Am I moving, Rock-A-A, you're moving too much. Because most umpires when they get down

they put their hand on the catcher. And if I'm painting a pitcher, and it's just, and he goes, it's a ball. So I want you to sit still, trust your hands. I won't get it to you. A professional player, really a double A player onto the big league guy. If you're catching me and you're asking for a ball,

and I should be able to get the ball within a ball in a half to where you want it and not make those one or two mistakes, you know. Solo home runs are good, three run homers. I had a pitching coach, Bill Fisher, who's passed, went and spoke at his funeral and counseled Bloss. To this day, he still holds a record for 91 innings without walking a guy. So his biggest deal with me, when I struck out 20, he set the major league record. I didn't even know there was a strikeout record. I was just going through that game.

Almost missed the game. There's a story behind that. Almost missed the damn game and got scratched. Punch out 20. He comes over. Everybody's gone. My wife's waiting in the park and I just got done ice and get my street clothes on. And he called me smoky after smoky Joe Wood. He was old school. Fish was. He had Tom Seaver. That was the reason why Tom was with us. He had Seaver when he was with the Reds. Fish says smoky. He goes two things. He goes, and I didn't know at the time. He said, you know, congratulations on the record. You know, you beat these three guys. They had 19, you 20 blah, blah, blah.

He said, uh, really proud of you throwing that rate of speed. He goes, but guess what? He goes, you didn't walk a single batter. And I go, that's pretty cool fish coming from you. That means a lot of you say he took two steps back around because I almost missed the game. I got, I got stuck in traffic and it was late. Crazy. And it was bad. I mean, I felt like a rookie going through the club I was door by looking at him like, are you nuts?

So he stepped back. Traffic. He walked away. Excuse me. What? I know it's not the Celtics were playing a playoff game. And there's a concert going on. I was getting ready to run to the stadium, but I'll finish.

He takes two steps because I almost miss again. He takes two steps away. He comes back and goes smokey. Another thing. He goes, you get to the stadium, but I'll finish. He takes two steps because I almost missed again. He takes two steps away from comes back and goes smokey. Another thing, he goes, you get to the damn ballpark anytime you want. And I go, bitch, I will never be, I was embarrassing. I said, it was, it was, I mean, I was sitting and I could see the sit cosine. I was a mile away, had my boots and jeans on, a golf shirt, white swath and we just had to one car, we're living in apartments, you know, stuck in traffic and panicking, starting to sweat a little bit. This game started at 735 back then. It's like 650.

And so I get out, I pop trunk, I say slide over, I'm gonna take my boots off, I'm gonna run the shoes on, I'm gonna run. How far are you from? It's a mile. It's a mile. I'm gonna run to the stadium for me. Because we're moving a car lane. Roger Clevans, I'm in by my car. Did you literally run? No, I got in, started putting my things on my truck. So the motorcycle police officer comes in, thinks I'm broke down.

We, we, we, we, we, we hit this thing. I turn, he looks at me, he goes, holy shit. You know, rock it. He goes, hey, aren't you on the, I go, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, aren't you on I go I'm I'm Sput. I'm bitch. He's party. He's party. He's so cool. He hits his heart. He got to get it, Roger. You got to get get picked. No, no, he got to win. Hey, bad. He parted that C. So cool. He parted the C. I jumped down the parking lot. I ran in the locker room. It's like 710. They've already got a long man in the

bullpen ready to go fish. My pitching coach goes into manager's office Fixing get my ass to you down Sit down there and McNamara's the manager max said we're scratching you you're gonna now I got to talk to the media about about there ain't no way. I said bullshit. I'm getting dressed I didn't take a no-francass I run out dress in a phone booth my pitching coach is 60 He's never run, you know, Finway Park, to the bullpen, it's a pretty good way. I thought he was going to pass out. We sprint. I get out there warming up. I don't even

throw a strike. I don't I'm bouncing a ball. He's on the phone. He's talking to the war. He's like, uh, leave the long man out there. He ain't getting out of the first inning. He's all over the pit. I mean, I'm hitting. I look like I'm losing the same. You're like, PVD. He's throwing the first pretty good. It's a softball. I look like the same. You're like PVD. He's throwing a first pitch. He's pretty good. It's a softball. I look like the other guy. I look like the other guy.

He sent out there. Only peace and quiet, I get to anthem finally. I got the worst tempo out of my shoot. She lays on a tie bend over. I mean, I remember life yesterday, thought my temple was going to fall out and I'm like, I get out there frigging rest of the set. I punch out 20 and I don't know. That was that same game. That's what he's talking about. I punch out 20 and I was that same game I'm talking about I punch out 20. How do you lock into how do you lock it?

That's just a just start I just I just started going and and so and that's why I told you I was ice and fish said you get the damn ballpark anytime you want So so no song you don't have a song before you don't have any of that stuff man. I played I played Late micro, you know Toby case a good friend, so I played not as good as you once was, but good once than you ever was. And shout out to my man, Toby's been battling. And man, I didn't link him park for those guys, different guys I meet, and I did some stuff with Nickelback.

So, Nickelback. Just, I just, I just kinda, I got friends, like I said, the other other sports I watch guys you know You know watch guys and football that I that I root for and that I met that are really cool guys and Again, it's it's kind of wild you you meet them off the field and you see him for the first time Then you see what they do it. So so it's cool, but I'm that way with like Like sitting right here with you guys. I mean it's it's this is cool. I mean I think it's cool, but I'm that way with like, like sitting right here with you guys. I mean, this is cool. I mean, I think it's, I see the pictures in the studio

and what you guys do. And my two younger ones are business oriented big time. So they're into it. And not that my two older ones aren't. They've got their priorities too. So I want to show you this. Like I want you to see this. Like would you have ever had a walk out like this? Now obviously you're not a relief pitcher.

But when you see this here, and this video goes viral on Twitter gets 11 million views, I wonder what you think about this press play. I want the energy. I want all of it. I mean, it's just the intensity of it. Have you seen this before, Roger, or no, press play? And now Timmy Trumpet takes center stage. energy I want all of it. I'm just the intensity of it. Have you seen this before, Roger, or no? Press play? And now Timmy Trumpet takes center stage.

And Sid Wendee has gets ready to come in. Tell me you've seen this before. What's this? The best walkout right now. The music, the buildup. Adam, have you seen this? Oh my gosh, you about to flip out. Look at this. Look at the energy in the place. Oh my god. Ready? Here we go. Timmy Trump in it. Woo! That's intense. Now what makes it worth it? You got to get to say that's right.

That's right. I'm the starting pitcher right now. I sing upstairs right now and I'm watching all this. I'm saying it's all great. But let's get a couple out. It's my side of the swing. So I'm just going to tell you right now. That's good. That's cool and and all these clothes. Yeah got it from the the king Mariana Rivera

when Mo Mo comes in. He's probably got the coolest jog ever coming in from the bullpen at Yankee Stadium. Find one of those Mo have his glove in his throwing hand And all you see is that 42 two coming out of the uh... the bullpen repair a greatest closer ever no doubt uh... no doubt no doubt by the way where did he get it from he would be a good at from rickie varn the wild thing that you're league there was rickie vandin have that cutter ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha his career looked like some of these guys. No, no, no, no, no, he's got him as well. Brus, Brus the song, let's hear it. What is it?

He usually puts his glove in his right hand. Brus, brus. Oh, okay, interesting. You gotta turn it off. And you can not get it. And I like it. Inter Sandman. How to love that.

Again. Yeah, he's a, he's a, no, I tell people there's, Pettit, there's, there's two things for sure in life, but there's really three. Death taxes, Mariano Rivera. He's gonna close that back. Like that. Thoughts, it's insane. By the way, earlier you talk about catcher picture.

How much of the experts, like the guys, once you're like a, the best pitcher in the league, you, Randy, you got Nolan, Maddox, Kershaw, all these guys. How much of it is you leading the catcher? How much of it is the catcher leading you? Does it change based on the experience of the catcher? I knew you said I would have loved to have Johnny Bencher, you know, all those guys, I totally get that.

But are you directing the catcher or is the director a catcher directing you? I guess the what I would want to know is the split. Like I'm sure you're gonna say there's part that you are part that he is, but is it 60 catcher, director, I guess the, what I would want to know is the split. Like I'm sure you're gonna say there's part that you are part that he is, but is it 60 catcher, 40 you? Is it 80 you, 20 catcher? What is that relationship with the catcher? 80, 20.

80 you. 80, 80, 20 catcher. 80 you, 20 catcher. But that 80, amongst that 80, that catcher knows that 80. They know. 80 is you. I call in with all the pictures, or that's you. I called 95% is you. Yeah. Yeah. I call in with all the pictures where that's you.

I called 95% of my game from the mound. Get out of here. And that was before now. They got to watch. Nine shirt or the other day had his on. And you noticed he was calling. He was calling his. He wasn't waiting for the catcher to call it.

He was calling it from his wrist. He had one on. I don't know if he's going to pitch with that on. But mine was all done with looks. I mean, and like I said, I had to be careful of a guy got traded because they knew a little bit about him. Plus, I would tell Jeet or an Adam Everett who I was with the other day that I'm fixing to induce a ball coming to you. So heads up. Now Jeet would sneak up the middle a little bit towards second because as you know, he had a great backhand. He had that famous jump.

And he looked really, I mean, that was his patented, you know, his, his, his, his, his deal. And, um, but the catcher's super important. But, um, Jorge would catch Mariano and everybody knew, especially if you're lefty, he's throwing that cutter. Mo would break, uh, one or two bats every outing, you know, closing the game. And he would throw that cutter. So the hitters, you'd see the hitters sneak off just a little bit when you didn't think it was looking. Passato do a Zah and he would just follow him in further.

And so your game, you're getting there to passata for understanding that. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah. And you won, you won two world series with the Yankees. Is that what that, what that team nucleus right there. We had an all-star at every position. Yeah. Great manager, Joe Tory. Great bench coach and Don Zimmer had Zim in Boston. Zim was I mean baseball lifer. Did he get into a Pedro? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Like a mad like a Pedro kind of gave me the Matador, but yeah, it was I was on the mountain. He was getting crazy and they knew on the other side somebody was going to eat one eventually. And I just threw a high fast bought a manny. It was a strike these days, I think.

And it all held broke loose. But yeah, we saw this ball headed guy go flying. We thought it was David. It's the one right there. That's how I go back to go back. Go back. This is track. Look, this it was David. That's the one right there. That's the one. Go back to the end.

Go back. Go back. This is a strike. That's a strike on that, Raj. I don't know about that, Raj. Look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, That's many. No, that is hilarious. But I think Zim goes flying over, there he goes. Yeah.

Zim was hot. Oh my God. Zim's 70. What are you doing? Zim. Bring them a picture. By the way, what's the opposite about this? Go to the other clip that I sent you.

The one with, I just texted you which one I'm talking about. I want to see his reaction to this with the audio, I just texted you which one I'm talking about. I want to see his reaction today is with the audio because the look is the one I'm interested into see what you say about this. So keep, let's see if you find it. No. I sent it to you earlier. You should have it.

You should have it somewhere here. If not, I can resend it to you, but I texted it to you. If you look at the text, just go to text. It's the second one I sent you. Right there. right there. Die right there. Go to that one. All right, so this is you against Estes.

You're getting ready. You remember this. Yeah, I'm trying to go deep. Watch this. I'm actually curious to know what you're gonna see about this one here. What you were thinking. He was actually trying to hit you.

I don't know how he missed my big ass. This is you. I didn't add Roger. Watch this. They know it's coming. Here's the first pitch. Pass ball. It hits him. He threw it behind him. And then he went behind him.

I like what the guy says at the end. He's upset that he didn't hit him. Because he was trying to hit him. Yeah, I think the. We had a couple of times. I think he was trying to hit him. I think he was trying to hit him. I think he was trying to hit him.

I think he was trying to hit him. I think he was trying to hit him. I think he was trying to hit him. I think he was trying to hit him. I think he was trying to hit him. I think he was that he didn't hit him because he was trying to hit him. But it didn't hit him. He still won. Yeah, I think the, uh, we had a couple, uh, other, uh, their players. And looked out at us.

This did not make any move. And like, you see, I'm not going anywhere. You know, this has to be disappointed in that result. He was obviously trying to hit him. And he missed it. I'm six four, 240. How do you, how do you miss me at that time? So what's, what's the, I try to stick two 40. How do you how do you miss me at that time? So what's what's the what's to I try to stick my

So what do you think in there when that happens? It's kind of like the tables have turned you're on the other side Yeah, but I play there's like in the National League The guys would say that I think the three years I was in the National League and they're like okay because he has to hit two and you have to go to play I was in a nationally and they're like, okay, cause he has to hit two and you have to go to the plate. It's almost better because when you get in a game that you have to clean up a game cause they've thrown at one of your guys and you gotta clean it up down the road.

It's even better in the nationally because now instead of throwing at one of my teammates they can hit me. So if you're gonna hit me, hopefully you put me out of the game because if not, then I got the magic bullet again. So that's the, I say hopefully you put me out of the game. Because if not, then I got the magic bullet again. So that's the, I say that's the ugly part of the game, but it's the old school part of the game when I have a teammate that comes, they really don't sit next to me on the banter

come down the tunnel. But when they do, I tell them, you know, what's up? I say, you got a problem with this guy and some very famous players get, I got a problem with this guy rock. He's again, his and I go, we'll take care of it later. So if it presents itself, you clean the game up. There's been times where my teammates, pictures were supposed to clean up a game

and then it fell to my game. So I got to be the shitty one. But that's, you know, you get respect for your teammate. And, and, you know, like I said, I'm with those pointy-backed-ass. Did you hit him back? Where no, you, no, he missed me. And then they said, that's it, you had your chance. One of their, who am I thinking of? May, gosh, who was the guy that's in a bullpen

for them? I played golf with the guy, he's, he, they brought it up, he's like, no, you had your chance, you missed him. So that was it. So I actually got a little bit closer to the plate. And I think my knees are in the strike zone. And I thought he's going to throw maybe away, but he threw it right in there. Strike three. I thought it was Roger with, I was watching a clip with, what's his name? Steven A Smith. And he's talking about how to hell do certain people not belong in the Hall of Fame. We have, we have to ask the question because you can't do this, but I have a conversation about that and the controversy of it. You, I own, I want to say, I don't know how many rookie cards of yours I own, I think I own 60 Barry Bonds PSA 10 rookie cards, right?

I own, you know, some of the bigger Ted Williams card, Yokey Barra, you know, all those guys and Baybrood PSA 8, 1933 Gaudi, it's like a million out of a card. I want a lot of these baseball cards. I love baseball cards, but there's certain guys you're like, dude, I mean, this last Hall of Fame, you got what, 65.2 I think was a number, some number like that.

You need to be at 75 with that. And you've commented, you said something very important. I think it was like 10 years ago where you said, in our family, we're not even looking at the whole concept with Hall of Fame anymore. It's not, you know, first half of my career was about, you know, a generational wealth. I've done that. My family's taking care of second half. I wanted to win. You did that great. Your champion, your numbers are incredible. And there's a lot more people who are critics and not even fans of yours that would say, this guy belongs in a hall of fame.

What are your thoughts? You've spoken about this, probably not something you like talking about regularly, but what are your thoughts about this whole? There's plenty of these guys that we feel belongs there. What do you have to say about what they're doing right now? Yeah, well, you said a pat. I mean, after year one, when it became political,

we quit worrying about it each year that comes. Riders would call or people would call to say, hey, can I do an interview in this? I go, guys, I've worrying about it each year that comes, you know, writers would call or people would call to say, hey, can I do an interview in this? I go, guys, I've already made my blanket statement, there's nothing really to add. I have zero control over that. And like you said, I probably get more, all my public appearances, I probably get more people that, that, you know, wish me and say, you said, and the only answer you can say is, thank you, I appreciate it. Because they look, bottom line, they looked at the facts and we did it, we won about it the right way.

What we did was we stopped not one now that I know of but since three people from making money off our last name and trying to sell themselves on that fact. And so, again, I can tell you when I, General Myers, all the guys wanted to do a business, they called me after all the Congress stuff and said, hey, I had to sit in that same seat. It's not comfortable.

They were going to try and trick you. There was no facts. I had some guy reading a doctor's report that the doctor never even saw me. I mean, it was almost like a trap because of what they were doing. I think the wax, I called him wax head. He was up there sitting on a stack of phone books, just trying to preach to you and let you get your story out

and what things that meant to you, and why the hell am I dead? Like, you know, even the health risk of it when I got family heart issues in our family and stuff that, again, I need to write about it one time because I wanted to be a, if I, I told the family, I wanted to be a great book and I wanna give credit where credit's due,

but I'm gonna cut some guys off at the knees too about some stuff that's never really been out there or like I told people, if you can read past the third grade, you would have known what was going on. And I said, I like Jerry Springer and I like to watch initiative, but it turned into a straight Jerry Springer show. But again, President, President Bush called me the support that I had from people that know us and know us as people. You know, that's what it is. But the Hall of Fame is not going to change

who I am as a pro. I tell people That's what I did for a living. It's not who I am as a person, but I took it very seriously, but it's not gonna change Are you in the halls not gonna change it? Are you an NFL guy? You know, did you did you fall the NFL? Do you follow the product NFL and not really? I mean, I root for the guys, you know, okay, yeah, do you remember sterling sharp? Remember sterling sharp shaman. No, I know both the guys. You know, okay. Do you remember Sterling Sharp? Remember Sterling Sharp? Shannon Sharpe. I know both of them. So, one of them golfed a little more.

Who's on TV now? This Shannon right now is on TV. Shannon, so it's Sterling the golf, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Did you see, hope, I got to try to find this, man. Did you see this speech, Shannon gave at his Hall of Fame speech and how he brought in his brother and what he said about Stirling Sharp?

Oh brother, I mean, I'm at a, oh thank God, I found it. Okay, I want you to see this. And the reason why I want you to see this, I have a couple different things where I would go. For me, just play this first and then I'll give my thoughts. I want to kind of get your commentary on thoughts on this because what you've done with your 24-year career of staying in the league, that is not easy to do,

but play this clip. And then it's a TikTok click. It's not even a, it's very emotional, very emotional. On the angle he takes, I had no idea where he was going. If you can turn it on. This is brother. This is, right, right, right. Go to rewind.

He older than, no, stirring goes a brother. Yes, okay. So watch this. Play, go ahead. Of 267 men that walk through this building to my left, they can honestly say this. I'm the only pro football player that's in the Hall of Fame. And I'm the second best player in my own family. Watch this. Very emotional guys. Watch. This is nothing. You have to hear what it says next. There's no question. There's absolutely no question in my mind. We would have been the first brothers to be elected to the Hall of Fame.

The 44 men and women that I thank, they congratulated early for giving me and bestowing this prestigious honors upon me. All I do is ask. All I can do is ask in the most humblest way I know how is that the next time you go into that room or you start making a list, look at Sterling Sharps' accomplishments for seven-year period of the guys that's in the Hall of Fame at the receiver position and the guys that have the potential to be in this building. That's all I ask. I don't say, hey, just do that. The next time you go in that room, think about Sterling Shar starting sharp numbers for seven years, that's all I asked. See what he's doing?

Managing expectations. So for me, here's how I see this. We had Kurt Schilling here two months ago. Okay, you're seeing him give this speech. If you watch the whole speech when he gives and you're seeing St sterling is just like, you know, the Tarell Davis one time was crying and the Broncos were playing like 13 years ago

and his tears were dropped. And do you remember the running back? Of course. And you're like, I've never seen anybody cry like this before, they're in the superlates, an emotional moment. Somebody in freaking baseball, Hall of Fame needs to give a speech like this and say, there's a bunch of guys,

now you hear the criticism saying, you know, the Major League Baseball doesn't allow Republicans in a Hall of Fame because there's become political and you can't make comments like that or this and this and that. You went to a Trump rally. How dare you go to a Trump rally and you're doing this and you're doing a court chilling, you've been saying all this stuff. There's a list of names that you can talk about the bag wells, the rains, the half-bend or chilling, the you, the bonds, the Martinez, Musino, Tramble, Smith, McGriff, Kent, Walker, McGuire, Sheffield, Wagner,

Soats, there's a lot of names, right? These are guys that crushed it. I wasn't, I wasn't the army, 1998. And Major League Baseball had just come off the, their strike, I think they had whatever the year was, 96 or 90 for a 90. I don't know what the year was nobody was watching baseball nobody was watching baseball nobody was interested in the product it was boring it was dying stadiums were empty then all of a sudden these two guys come up and once

name is Mark McGuire the other guy's name is Amy Sosa and every night when we would come back to the barracks dude we would stay up till God knows what we just wanted to see the you know Just want to talk what's a freaking you know rock and roll they revive baseball O's Sammy and Mark McGuire Billions of dollars MLB you oh Those two guys revived the flip in game. So here's where I take it.

I watch football and I look at some of these guys what they look like. You know, I'm a guy that's tried Primo Ballon. I did the TRT for like five or six weeks and Climb Ud are all some of the stuff that, you know, because I wanted to be a bodybuilder and you kind of like, shit, I gotta get into it.

You really find out what the bodybuilders are you like oh shit I can't do all that stuff but TRT you know You got these HG8 some of the stuff that Polly was doing it football They don't really get tested as much as some of the other leagues these guys playing football By the way if you're not on something and you're getting hit by 350 I'm worried about your neck. I'm worried about your body. I'm worried about what you're doing So to me, it's not even about the conversation about that. There are guys that gave their lives to this game

that entertained the hell out of fans like myself and increased the product of MLB that belonged there. But I feel like some of the existing guys are playing politics and some of them need to grab their, you know what, and make a speech and say, hey man, why don't we gonna do making an exception for these guys to get in? I played against these guys.

So I know you can't say anything about it yourself because you've already gave your message and I'm not looking for you to have a reaction to it. All I'm saying is this is my opinion, these are my thoughts. I think the game, if we were to look at baseball in a 20-year period and we said, okay, during that 20-year period, no problem. Take more wire out. Take social out. Take bonds out. Take lemons out. Take these guys out. What the hell is baseball? Take those products out. Who the hell is coming to watch the game? Who's trying to see the temperament, the mindset,

the travel, the sacrifice, the nine months editor, you're on the road, you're having kids, you're going through all this stuff, take all that stuff out, nobody's coming to watch the commissioner play. They're coming to watch you play, right? Michael made a comment about this in the last dance when they were talking about,

they don't come to watch the GM play, they don't come to watch the owner play. They don't come to watch the owner play. They come to watch us play, right? He gave a representation for the guys and Michael wasn't a guy that made a lot of money at the NBA as in his country. I guess last year you made 33 million or whatever the number is, but he was never the highest paid guy.

He set the tone for everybody else afterwards. Absolutely. But it was also getting some perspective to say, these writers are voting you in. Who the hell are you to vote a player in and you ain't played Well, what what a pinnion so to me. It's a little bit Confusing I watch I watch what they say the speeches this guy's not in he doesn't deserve it. He doesn't use of that Hey, writers you don't have a job without these players If these guys were in playing put in their bodies through what they're putting through you don't have a job without these players. If these guys were playing, put in their bodies through what they're putting through,

you don't have anybody to talk about. You have a job because they play. So anyways, that's my, that's my rant. I'm not, you're playing, Pat. I appreciate it. I appreciate your passion. I can hear it in your voice.

Excuse me. Like Greg Maddox told me, he was voting for me. Maddog knows me as a person and knows the person. And I said, I appreciate your vote, dogument. Again, it's not going to change me as a person and knows the person. And I said, I appreciate both Dog and me. Again, it's not gonna change me as a person either way. What I heard from you, entertainment, I know we're entertainers, but this was still my, like you alluded to earlier,

my first couple of years of change of generational difference for my family. Pay off my mom's bills, get her a car, and then it was about winning championships. The guys that know me, I hear some ass-in-eye comments from guys that have no clue. Like I said, if you could read past the third grade, you would understand what went down and how it went down.

I'm never gonna play the victim, but I am gonna stop people from using my name and spreading lies about me when they said. I do that when people shit on one of my teammates and said, hold up, you got him on a bad day. See, I can be, you know, sign an autograph. I signed 50, the 51st person, I'm an ass. And so you can't please everybody all the time. So true.

I'm not gonna come off phony because I'm trying to get you to like me. And, you know, this is who I am. This is how I was brought up. And I let the people, you know, like I said, I, I did some inner city work in Baltimore. This Baltimore Congressman made a couple. He made him after I was in his office, took 25 photos with his staff and interns, signed all these autographs, and he, and he was one of brought up you silver, silver, spoon, athlete. I go, hold up a second.

I gave him the quick rundown, very stern about my background. I said, you're reading a piece of paper, you're coming out here in front of the world, and you're getting stats on me five minutes from an intern. And that's what you go off of. You didn't take the time to learn about me, who I am as a person where I came from,

or what this might be, or you got some other dude spreading lies just because he's trying to get my pocket. So that's what I should have done when I went on. I should have just got my wallet and laid it on the table. I mean that's what that's all it was about. So I have some great great friends like Reggie Jackson that are in the hall and they say stuff all the time. Again, I don't think it makes you for me personally, I don't think it makes you hit a ball further. I don't think it makes you those strikes being a control pitcher. I think it breaks you down and hurts you. A lot of these guys, I think it broke them down a little bit, but you know, like I said, I'm not going to get bitter over.

We just quit worrying about it to come up day after day after day and Like you said, I'm a member calling Jim Rice my my former Red Sox put that and Jimmy got in on his 10th try So you either have the numbers to get in or you don't they made him wait 10 years because he pissed off a lot of reporters I called him and said hey Jim Ed I said congratulations and everything I said, but let me ask you how'd you get better in 10 years? Did you go play semi-f bonnet another hundred homers? Did you didn't I didn't see it or read about it, but so what a you know, so you're either you're either in the first one or you're not and I Appreciate your perspective because you're the player, but I give you the perspective from the players I totally hear the the the fans perspective fans perspective. I'm a voter

You know, we're voters. We're not dude. We don't do what you guys. I'm a fans perspective, I'm a voter. You know, we're voters. We're not, dude, we don't do what you guys. I'm a business guy. I'm a business as I bust a MySQL last 20, haven't many years and insurance. I've done very well for myself. And now we're building a media company. But from the fans perspective,

when you're dealing with a million things in your life, dad's not healthy. This guy's going through this. That guy's going through this. You're having girlfriend problems. You're having girlfriend problems. You're having kid problems. You're having this. You just want to sit there and just watch a damn game

and have everything you were stressed out about. Be gone. Fans are voting for you guys, bro. So it's a different perspective for us than it is for you. When you're like, hey, what else can I do? I've done my part. I get it. But a fan is like, no, I follow this guy for this many years.

That guy needs to be in. So it's a different perspective. I get that. And I appreciate you sharing that. One last question I got for you, it's going to be like, why are you asking this question as a last thing? It's just for my own shits and giggles because I freaking follow this game. Aaron Hank Aaron said something one time about the whole, you know, the whole, you guys

got the Saiyong, you shouldn't be the MVP when you won the MVP. And it says, look, you know, pictures have their own deal, Sai Young, we have MVP, I'm not changing my position. They shouldn't have given him the Sai Young and the MVP at the same time. You come back and you said, I have the quote somewhere here where you said, hey, I'd love for him to come here. I wish he were still playing.

I'd probably crack his head open to show how, show him how valuable I was, right? Just kind of like what you said, Hey, I'd love for him to come here. Uh, I wish he were still playing. I'd probably crack his head open to show how, show him how valuable I was. Right. Just kind of like what you said. That was the young rocket. Yeah. Rocket. This is the Hank Aaron. Pepper and Hank.

Well, I mean, by Pedro saying wake up, Bay Bruth. I'm going to hit him in the ass. Exactly. So let me quick story. Yeah. So my oldest son is Kobe Aaron Clemens. He's named Aaron. His middle names after Hank Aaron.

So that tells you all you need to know about the young and piss and vinegar rocket. So my oldest son is Kobe Aaron Clemens. He's named Aaron, his middle name's after Hank Aaron. So that tells you all you need to know about the young and piss and vinegar rocket. Big respect for that. Of course, I thought your last question was going to be about DJ No Requests and I'll put it in the background. Let me just tell you if we got time, how you put things in perspective. It goes along with that MVP award. So I win the MVP in the Sy Young my first.

I got a red socks. I got to go to New York City. We call this the butter story. Everybody loves it. And it's true. Go to New York. Pretty green. I got Demagio, Manel, Ted Williams.

I'm looking for a Hu-Hoo. Now Donnie Mattingsley there. I'm the one that, you know, Donnie finished second in the MVP. I'm baseball. Now, this little suit, not worth the top table when you're getting the cold piece of chicken, uncooked piece of steak, a little bitty baked potato, and a dinner roll, and the dude comes by,

straight Yankee fan, he's looking at me like, and the look he gave me, I was like, okay, he spit in my food, there's no way. There's no way, I need it, but I'm gonna work on this dinner roll and maybe this big potato. But he throws me a little Cuba butter on the thing. And you know, mustache, stripper,

his name's gotta be Tony. For sure, you know, like walks by, does it, so I get through that dinner, right? I only got one Cuba butter, I needed one more, but what the hell? First year up there, fast forward. I went my second, Sai second psi and back to back. Back in the penguin suit.

Here we go. Now I'm popping my feeling good. I'm on Ted. How you doing, Mick? How you doing? Hey, Rocky. Yeah. I'm some first feeling.

I'm feeling it. Talking away. Here comes the bullshit thing. Same guy. Same for Tony Super Mario. It looks like Super Mario. He goes by me and I I'm like hold on guys Hey, I said hold up man. Hold up minute. He just gave me one. I need another cube of butter

So I'm looking for from my baked potato, you know, just come on So I'm talking I seem come out my guy and here he comes again. I said dude stop I said I've been trying to get you for 10 minutes my stuff's getting cold up here I said all I'm trying to do is get another cube of, I said, you know who I am, right? He goes, oh yeah, I know who you are. I go, good. I said, I'm trying to get some butter. He goes evidently, you don't know who I am.

I go, I don't, he goes, I'm a charge of the fucking butter. And he walked off. And I went, and that's what everybody did around me. And I just went, who charged the butter? He said, I'm a charge of the damn butter and he walked off and so that kind of tells you puts you keeps you in your in your what a great story that keeps you in check. Yeah, yeah, so there you go boys. Hey, you never play for Rangers.

You played Astros, but was there any time that you almost got closer playing for the day they were just I thought I was going to get drafted by him early in my career. That was it really. So I played again, I played with the, the history was there. And then going home to play, we flipped a football town into a baseball, you know, those three years. And I, I tease those guys. I have no idea how I want to say young with Houston,

because we only had three and a half hitters on the team. I don't, you couldn't give up anything, but they were wonderful. Just again, talk about the Hall of Fame. I have more guys that I owe a lot to being great teammates that are not in the hall. I'd be surprised if someone said that they didn't know where I stood when I was their teammate. But again, that's my upbringing.

Well, much love to you, man. I appreciate you for coming out really and joy. This is cool. I had no idea what direction we had some stuff, but we had no idea what direction was going to go, but two hours foot like five minutes, bro. Let's go. Two hours. Two hours. This is cool. And thanks for what you guys do and what you guys did for us. And just this is really cool. Anytime brother. Thanks for coming out. Yeah, appreciate you. Hey, come Thanks for coming out. Appreciate you. Hey, come back out and throw another softball. Take everybody.

Well, bye, bye, bye, bye. Awesome.