PBD Podcast - Roland Martin and PBD Go Head-to-Head On Systemic Racism | Ep. 233

Episode Date: February 7, 2023

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I know this life meant for me. Yeah, why would you plan on the life when we got that day? Now you came in giving values, contagious world, I want your panoras, we can't no value to hate it. I didn't run home, you look what I've become. I'm the under one. Our guest today, Roland Martin, American journalist, and he's got a show called Roland Martin unfiltered. And he's known to be the sweetest guy you'll ever meet.

Specifically on YouTube, interviews, just very gentle kind. My mom says that. Have you always been this sweet? Of course. Always. My mom says that. My dad been this sweet of course always my mom says that my dad says it is it just to How many more until I get pissed off I get pissed off until folks lot of me on the air and the other side comes out So roll let me ask you how long have you been like this like I'd what what point were you the kid that argued every point were you like Linda Linda Linda you don't understand were you like were you that person on day one because it was always a pursuit

of truth. And so I mean I remember being in the well as a couple of things I was probably in the third grade. Yeah. Third of fourth grade. I remember I had an elementary school. It was kindergarten teacher who, these girls said I said something to them that I had never said. So they go to him and they complain. And so we had this huge, it was a Vanguard magnet program. It's with this huge basketball game.

So it was like the Vanguard program versus the reckless school. It was like the biggest game of the year. And Gauss was like, oh, he said, well, I'm believing them. So you have to apologize. We're here, I'm going to play in the game. I'm guessing I'm playing the game. So I literally sat there, and I'm not, mind you, this is like the biggest game of the year.

It's like a major deal. So my brother, he's in the Vanger program, and I'm dressing everything. So I sat there for three periods. Yeah. I ain't moved. I'm like, dude, how old are you? How old are you at this?

I was in the, uh, that was, I had a third and fourth grade. Proud of me, it was probably, it was fourth grade. And I was like, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm to do it. I was in the, that was either third or fourth grade. Proud of it was probably, it was fourth grade. And I was like, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm not gonna sit here and apologize. Now when I was in a 12th grade government class it was a trip with Miss Joseph. She's teaching and she says, a president can't serve more than eight years. I said, it's not true. And she's like, what about that? That's simply not true. I said, we have empirical data that shows that.

You can actually, I said, Lyndon Baines Johnson took over his president on November 22nd, 1963. He announced, he of course ran in 1964. He just got to run in 68. I said, it's very clear, you could serve more than eight years. And so we argue back, I said, I'm sorry,

I said, I know you think that you were right. I said, but it's right here, like what are you talking about? So we had a test and I wouldn't, and so I wrote it on the test and then she marked it wrong. I'm like, oh, you're wrong. And so then we had this follow up quiz. And I think I probably had like an average of like 102 in this class of extra credit and stuff.

And I was like, you know what? I said, I'm just gonna mark zero on my quiz. I said in protest and what is going to drop my grade down to 101.5. And man, she was like, she was living. And I said, look, I get it. You don't want to be wrong. But the facts are clear. JFK assassinated November 22nd. LBJ becomes president. He runs in 64. He declines in 68. I said, do the math. That's more than eight years.

And so she was like upset. And so that's the thing for me. My hell deal is, that's why I hate when I, even when I was on the scene and I hated when they would say, people saw him would say something. And I'm like, they're lying. And they would stand there. And they would just, you know, roll the one,

one's the last time. What was the last year you were wrong? Was it 80s? Was it 90s? If it's happened, no, I'm just curious. And it's been a long, long, long, long time. No, because I mean, I mean, I'm rolling. No, no, I'm seriously, I'm talking about I am.

And if I, if I say something, I said something that was incorrect on, on, on the air the other day the little day We came up from the break. I said Libby correct If I gave you it's like boom because Okay, he's the philosophy. He's a philosophy if you're driving down the street or if you're watching Yeah, and somebody says something and no one says anything. Yeah, yeah, you go That must be correct. no one says anything. You go, that must be correct. No one says anything.

So what happens is, especially in cable news, or even broadcast news, they will sit there and they will just let people say stuff and just slide and I'm sitting there going, so we just gonna sit here and just let that lie just stand and then it's kind of like okay, no matter the time no that was a lie and they will they'll do is then I hate this well We'll come back and fact check the next day. No, no, no you fact check in the moment But the problem is most of these people who are television anchors. They are not smart

They're not well read and. And they rely on a producer to have the fact check them, provide them facts, whereas for me, no, we're gonna fact check in real time. Like right, right now, you say something? And my whole deal is, you're talking, I'm sitting on my iPad, I remember Shroomikel Singleton was we working with the big casting campaign.

He goes, no role in Ben Carson has an HBCU plan. I'm like, no, he doesn't. He's like, I guarantee you, I'm like, you know what, Michael? Why don't I say, why don't you make your point? And I'm gonna sit over here and go to his website. So go and finish your point. So he's talking, I'm sitting there.

I'm like, are you done? And I have this for it. Shelly was my direct dog. I'll go and so anytime my audience knew when I say shelly go to my iPad, somebody's butt, I'm about to get in somebody's ass. It's about to happen right now. And I went shelly go to my iPad.

Shroomykel, this is his website. This is the search box, HBCU. Click, do you see, like it's on the screen, and he's sitting there, it's like, Oh God. And I'm just, and I'm killing them. And I'm like, dude, you, I said, and we break, I said,

sure, Michael, never, ever go on the air and be emphatic with something if you had not checked before you said it. And to this day, he's gotten other television. He thanks me because I put him on TV first. He said, you taught me a valuable lesson. He said, you handed my ass to my said, because you didn't fact check before came out of your mouth. Yeah. I mean, listen, you see that happen on a lot. And, before Kim Adi about. Yeah, I mean, listen, you see that happen on a lot. And, you know, I'd love to see a system

where during elections, so we did this one debate one time where we had this guy who was pro, she was from a normal, she was a director of normal to legalize marijuana. The other guy was a Navy intelligence guy, captain. And they came and we were doing this sit down Five six years ago and the way we did it, which was fascinating is Every time a person gave a fact or a statement with Rita the bottom would say and and it would show red or which a green Yes, this is exactly what I would love a format that both candidates

Republican Democrat level format that both candidates, Republican, Democrat, every time they say something, a fact check, we should have the technology for people to be able to do that today. But you don't have to actually wait for them to say yes or no to that, because you got these debates. You just do it. No, you just do it. And so why do you think CNN and MC Fox, why do you think these guys don't do it? Well, because it's inside game.

It's inside game. What do you mean? Well, because it's inside game. It's inside game. What do you mean by that? Well, the game is you like the invitation, you want to invite them back, so you want to make them happy. And so you don't want to tick them off. And so the show's like, oh no, so we're gonna go soft, if you will.

It's supposed to, you know, go home. Oh, it's hard to do that. Go home. Right, so you take, so September, September 21, I'm on ABC News this week, and Chris Christie gave his big speech at the Reagan Library, you know, we need to move on from Trump, whatever.

So we're sitting there, and so, and again, I'm just a guest, okay? I'm not a contributor, there are other three people who contribute, George Stephanopoulos is sitting right there, and so I'm like, I do not break this, we can talk about Chris Christie's speech, and I forgot the sister, she said,

you should be gonna talk about that to George, and he goes, yeah, now I'm not saying anything. Inside I'm like, oh hell, yes, bring this speech up. Please bring this speech up. So comes up and so George talks and Chris is talking. And he's taking his very high and mighty stance and I'm sitting there. And if you're like, you go back and watch it,

I'm waiting. Because see, this is what I teach people. You can't be too eager to jump in. So you let it come to you. So he talks and they talk back and forth. And then she talks and then she talks. And then George gets to me. And I make my, and I turn to Chris Christie

and I say, you have to accept the responsibility you play in creating that man. And I just went right at him and he's like, you know, I ran against him in 2016, but you debate prepped him in 2020 and you support. He was, I'm talking about he turns red, man to be fair. I mean, to be fair, like this is like

the one thing about politics. It's Yusaha Kamala calling out Biden immediately, and then boom, she's the VP. Yes, George HW Bush called Reagan's economic policies voodoo economic. And then boom, right. Yes, but again though, but you accept the fact that you did it.

So, we remember, remember, she called them out. She totally fine. Right, she called them out. She called them out and they became VP. My problem with Christie was, you're giving this huge speech, like he was this probable problem

and I'm sitting there going, yes, but you created the monster. So it's so like, you can't complain about the monster when you create, when you help create the monster, when there was an option to say, I have convictions, morals, principles and values, I simply cannot stay in with a known liar. Right.

And what I say it is, you chose politics and power over principles and patriotism. It happens on both sides. Right. No, no, no. I never say it doesn't. Yeah. The point is, you have to be willing to actually say it. So when somebody, so if you say, okay, I was very much against this here, now I'm forward,

okay, but in being able to blows up, don't try, then don't try to come back and go, well, I mean, I knew if he was going to blow up. No, no, no, no, okay, but in being able to blows up, then they'll try to come back and go, well, I mean, I knew if he was gonna blow up. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You just stand on principle. And I think that's a huge problem today when we look at not just politics, but also business. When we have people, I'm going back to the whole point about when I was in the kindergarten.

If you have to be willing to stand on truth, knowing it's going to cost you. And when you can accept that, to me, this is just me, I'm gonna sleep a lot better because I'm simply not going to just go along to get along. If I actually have conviction that this person is not it, I don't care what they do and what they promise, I can't stand with you.

Right. Not gonna happen. So, okay, so that's good that you're saying that because I like stats, I like data, okay, to go through some data. And we'll cover some of that because I truly want to get your opinion. My ideal situation would be to have a panel of folks

from both sides to debate and have a conversation together civilly. I think that's the way where the audience wins, where you're able to say, here's what I believe, the other person says what I believe. And then there is the fact. Meaning I got new to his voice. There's a not both sides. What do you mean both?

How about you have a debate, say again, this is this is whether it this is I can I lived it see when it's both sides Because I'm gonna say I lived it they would speak the truth in the green room But when they call in the air what happens is their side the tribes are watching so they defend the tribe versus the issue So here's why I told CNN why don't we have some debates where you actually have two Republicans who tribe versus the issue. So here's why I told CNN, why don't we have some debates where you actually have two Republicans who disagree on the issue? That will you take party out. Now becomes the issue.

The problem today in most debates we're not debating the issue. We're debating the sides. When you debate the issue, it's not your Democrat, your Republican, your left, your right, your blue, your red. No, no, no, what's the issue? And so when people have said to me,

they're like, I've never self-identify as a Democrat or a Republican. I refuse. Have I voted for Republicans and Democrats? Yes, because I look at what's this issue? I'm a huge school choice person. Yeah. Oh, I've had some Democrats who,

and I'm like, y'all wanna swing? Less swing. And the Republicans are going, well, man, you stay with us on this issue, I've had some Democrats who have who I'm like y'all want to swing less wing And the Republicans are going well, man, you stay also on this issue. I might know I don't stand with you in terms of the party on the issue I stand with the issue, but generally that's the problem we have today, but we don't discuss the issue Well, who do you think is more united? You think Democrats are more united with each other? They made this agree behind closed doors, but they're united with each other We think Republicans are more united with each other. They made this agree behind closed doors, but they're united with each other. We think Republicans are more united with each other because Republicans, here's why. The Democratic tent is actually a big tent.

Like you literally have conservative Democrats, moderate Democrats, you got progressive, then you got far left of Democrats. You look at, ain't that many moderate Republicans to be truth. I'm talking about, they're basically non-existent in Congress. So you're either right or far right. So the Republicans, it's a lot easier when they're debating issues because you cannot be

a liberal Republican. Senator, it would broke. The first African-American elected says reconstruction to the United States Senate. Okay. Was a liberal Republican for Massachusetts. Okay. There is no way. Today he could ever be elected. Not gonna happen. In fact, if you actually look at, hey, Ronald Reagan on a lot of stuff on and this thing is different. It It made a little hard for Reagan.

So Republicans are a lot easier because from an ideological standpoint, it's pretty much right far right. That's why in the Democratic caucus, when you look at when these issues come up, it's a lot harder to bring them together to get the 218 because you got these different, you got 20 over here, 10 over here, you got,

and so it's a lot harder. So, it absolutely is Republicans. Okay, so let's do issues. How about let's just go on issues with today. What issues do you see Republicans presenting that you agree with? to specific, specific issue is to African Americans. That's the main topic I want to hear. What issues do you see where Republicans come up with to say, you know what, I actually like that idea. And what do you see the left coming, Democrats coming up with their your life?

More Republicans are willing to support the idea of school choice than Democrats, because your teacher's unions are largely opposed to the expansion of school choice than Democrats because your teacher's unions are largely opposed to the expansion of school choice and they are a significant donor to Democratic Party. The problem I have when I'm standing with Republicans, I then go, but why, what's your motivation? In many cases, it's to destroy the unions and end up at the kids. So I stood in front of the folks and I said, okay, same thing with the expansion of the voucher program.

I will, I go, okay, who do you all care about? Do you care about the expansion of voucher programs to truly help the kids who need it, who are in the worst schools, or you actually trying to help largely whites the bourbon parents get extra money to afford to go to private schools. And after that conference, as I said, and the people in the room like, damn, just a kid, no, I'm like, yes, because for me, it's for those kids who are actually in the worst schools. So even though we will agree on that policy, like I had a woman who called me from Texas, she cost Dr. Steve Perry, I'm not from Texas,

but my boy Rowan is born and raised in Texas and so we get on the phone and so she's like, you know, we're trying to mobilize black and Hispanic parents you know, around expansion of vouchers program. So she's talking and Steve are to give me her name as she's just talking, talking, talking. And I'm like, you're gonna lose. She's like, what do you mean?

I said, let me ask you a question. You care about black and Hispanic kids on the issue. She's like, absolutely. I say, why is your board all white? I say, in fact, let me ask you this question. Can you tell me the top 10 highest performing black and Hispanic lead charter schools in San Antonio Houston, Dallas? take a pick. She got quiet. I said, but you're calling

me because you want to mobilize Hispanic and black parents on this issue to get this to get this voucher program pass and you don't even know who the black and Latino top charter schools are. So how can you, I said, so you want their voices, but you don't even know them. And she just froze. And again, I froze her because again, you're approving to me that you're not legit on this. Now if you go, if you go on the Democratic side, where do I stand with Democrats? Absolutely when it comes to the issue

of voter protection and voting in this country. It is the Republican playbook. Voter suppression is no doubt. The closing of polling locations, making difficult. I mean, they've literally said it publicly. That, I mean, the speaker of the House in Georgia said, if we expand ballot drop boxes and allow folks to vote absentee without an excuse we

will lose now my whole deal is how can you walk around with troops and go oh democracy and they're fighting for our values and it's the right to vote no every part is shoe one everybody to vote? No, every part is she won everybody to vote. And you don't you don't create obstacles. That is the biggest one where I stand against Republicans. I don't I don't know about that, but you know what I would say. You can break it down the issue. You know, but what I would say with that too is the, you know, somebody can come back and say, well, Roland, how about the fact that, you know, Democrats don't care about the border because the more people come from the border, they tend to vote more for Democrats.

So it's better for them to not talk about the border. Talk about me. Well, first of all, that assumes that somebody who's crossing the border is a registered voter when they're not, because he's a deal. But the Democrats want them to be able to vote and to say they also have a voice. Should they be able to vote? But the rally is, see now what you've done done is you've now flipped it to another issue, which is the border.

What I'm talking about is what is undeniable when it comes to the... No, I didn't flip it. No, I didn't flip it. No, no, no, no, no. Because it's not even going on. Because it's not even going on. I didn't do the vote for the border. I didn't flip it.

I didn't flip it. I didn't flip it. I asked the question from you, what policies on the right to you agree with what policies on the left. Right. Then you brought up voting to say that the Republicans in Georgia want to do this. Then I brought up the fact I didn't bring a border. I'm bringing border to say that those people who come across the border many times are going to vote left and they're going to vote right. But that's actually a wrong assumption because I'm from Texas and we see what actually happens is

what you have is if you're talking about you're saying people that come across the border vote Republican. What I'm telling you is when you, you're saying people that come across the board vote Republican? What I'm telling you is when you look at who is coming across the board, that's right. I run an insurance company with 40,000 agents, 54% Hispanic, I think. I've been LA 24 years.

And here's the question, and no, no, no, no, but you said what you said, you live in LA. Here's the fundamental problem that people refuse to recognize when you talk about his pan�as, latinos, and America. What percentage Hispanic vote Republican? No, no, no, first of all, follow me here.

Follow me here. I ain't no exactly. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's not just the Texas side. Okay. The problem that we have in the country when we break down his pan�as last latinos and the reason I'm saying his pan�as last latinos

is because of round the country, you can't group everybody in the same category. What you have is you might have a different, different philosophy if you talk about Vincent Wailen and Cuban in Florida, compared to somebody who is Chicano. Florida is a pro. Yes, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no you talk about Venezuela and Cuban in Florida, compared to somebody who is Chicano. Florida's approved, yes, no, no, no, no, I agree, all of Florida.

Compared to Mexican-Americans in Texas, compared to Los Angeles. And so what you also have is a much different focus. All you have to do is just look up and see what percentage of Hispanic will downcrust. Oh, no, no, no, can you pull it on? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, when I'm saying it's about 65, 35,

65, 65, or some places, 64, or here's a deal though. If you were Republicans, you liked at 35, what you don't have for African Americans in the case, like black women who hate the Republican party, the top two constituencies for African Americans, Democratic party, are black women and black men. So you had, so if you're running, it's 35, 40% is a damn good number. Oh, stop it, Roland. This is this, this is not, you're getting 65% or vote 64% right now. Yes, and if you are a Republican or the Republican party, you also have to ask yourself, what have you done to reach a community to get them to vote for you? For the Hispanics.

Yes. They're increasing. Oh, I love it. You just did increasing. Of course. Yes. Why is it increasing? Why is it increasing?

I'm asking you. Because the policies are helping them out. No, it's increasing also because you have a part of it that actually is not taking a more proactive focus in targeting that group. If you never communicate with me, or never reach out to me, guess what? I'm a go with who normally does.

And so that's the smart strategy, which is what I've actually said to Republicans for the longest, if you never talk to black people, and they never see you, guess what? They ain't gonna never vote for you. By the way, I don't disagree with that.

I think if you want someone's vote, you gotta go talk to them. You gotta take their hands. And what they've done is, in the last 10 years, especially in the last eight years, they've actually made a much more concerted effort to target his ban in the United States.

Do you think Democrats care about Blacks, more than Republicans do? Oh, absolutely. Really? I can't let me tell you, define care. I have to first be willing to even talk to you. Republicans, by and large, they want to avoid black people. A group of black Republicans in Illinois had a meeting with the state Republican party.

And they laid out, hey, there are ways that we as a party can reach out to African Americans in Illinois in Chicago. They finished their presentation. This is the first statement that's made. Guys, look, we're not going to support welfare. Black Republicans went, um, who the hell brought out welfare? It wasn't even our proposal. The black Republicans were insulted at this group of white Republicans automatically went to welfare and they said, we didn't bring up welfare. Why is that the one thing you brought up? And so, what community

are you talking about? What was the saying? Illinois. Okay. And so what I'm saying is, and you're saying Illinois Democrats have done good for blacks in Illinois? No, that's not what your question was. The question was this here, in terms of who is

reaching out to them? Right. I want it when Mitch McConnell's book came out. Right. I'm on the time of Jonah Morning Show. This is the largest black morning show in the country before he retired. I'm we're sitting here and so I get a call

when I book a month and no problem and all of a sudden, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Mitch, Mitch is not gonna come on the show. Okay, he's discussing this book, why not? This is the largest show targeting African Americans. I can tell you, I've had open invitations to Republicans come on the show. When Alan West was in Congress, I told him about it.

Alan was like, are you serious? Alan tells his press secretary. Alan would show up. No, he was on the show. He was on the show. Well, not always. Cause I called him on Live on Air one day. I don't know if you're respectful to him or not.

I can tell you Alan would show up anywhere. No, no, no, Alan, well, right, well, not always. But, no, we're with respect. He's a gamer, but not afraid, but not always. But, you're so funny. I'm trying to tell you, you're so funny. Yeah, he may have a schedule, you're right, not always. No, no, no, no, I call him live on air.

So, so the Alan's on and I tell him that Alan goes, are you serious? I said, yes, I said, we've been open invitation. I said to the entire public in caucus and he goes tell us precarious Presectory Sinner no doubt to the whole caucus. He look should come on this show is important of a Two in the recent other than Alan the reason was two one Was a Republican from Texas, a Texas random graduate, that's why I came on.

The other was Pete Olsen from Texas, who came on as well, because out of Houston. And so what happens is they avoid in many ways talking to African-Americans. You, I'm never gonna be able even to listen to you if you don't even talk to me. And if you ever talk to me, and I've had long conversations, I've known black Republicans my entire life.

The frustration they have, you go back to Jackie Robinson in Nixon in 1960, the frustration that they have is here they are, talking about being black conservative and being Republican, and the pushback and the hell they get from their own. I'm talking about we've had like serious conversations and we're talking about individuals who have been cabinet secretaries, who have been many layers, who are millionaires, who are donors

and they express how it drives them crazy when they do it. That was Michael Williams, who worked in the Regan, Regan the Bush administration, very good friend of mine. He was gonna have a fundraiser at his house. And there was a guy running for Congress against Martin, Frost and Texas, and he was campaigning, he brought J.C. Watson and everything,

and at the time, it is black church burnings. And so Michael calls him up and Michael said, hey, I think the candidate should release a statement with the gospel, he's church, he's burning the black church. And they go, no, no, we're not gonna do that, that's best pandering. Michael said, I'm sorry, I'm way mad. But you're brought Congressman JC Watson

to truth with you to black churches. On Sunday, like, what the hell you call that? So Michael's wife Donna, Donna said, they were a fundraiser at Michael and Donna's house. Donna said, ain't no man who's unwilling to speak against the burning of black churches, welcome in my house. You let them know, no statement.

He will not step foot in his house for a fun reason. You still have an answer for my question? No, no, no, I'm laying out to you examples. I'll tell you the question. I'll republicans won't even talk. Yeah. So therefore, the only place, the only place, who we can talk to you is Democrats,

and that's one reason I republicans have largely lost. So that is your, okay, so let's say that's true. Let's not, for you it is. I've been black for 54 years, and I have spent, as I have run black on media outlets, getting Republicans to even talk to black people, show up at forums. My parents were, my parents were founders of a civic club.

I'm telling you not my opinion, what I literally experienced and what black Republicans and even what I had come say, what is white Republicans. But I gotta follow up for you. So in other words, in other words, Democrats are only ones that had the votes of blacks since 1964. Okay, 88% was 94% of 64% and it's now 88%, 86%, 90% right? Yeah.

So if blacks have had, if Democrats have had that vote since 64, that's 60 years, 59 years to be exact. How come blacks haven't made major progress if Democrats care about blacks as much as they do? Well, first of all, that's actually flawed question because when you say having made major progress, you have been outlawed. I would love to hear it. So when you look at what you're coming out of 1960s, then you go in 1970s, when you begin

to see your first wave of black mayors across the country, Mary and Mary and DC, made a Jackson Atlanta, Coleman Young, Ind in Detroit, of course, previous year we had Gary Hatcher and Gary, Indiana, which you saw for the first time was African-Americans being able to access economic capital in this country. Main ejection gets elected in 73. African-Americans were receiving 0.0012%

of all city contracts in Atlanta. I didn't say 1%, I didn't say 0.5%, I didn't say 1% and I didn't say 0.5% and I didn't say 0.12% 0.0012% of all city contracts. Maynard Jackson comes in, he says, ain't gonna happen. Not when you have a city that the significant number of African Americans. The reason Atlanta is called the black mecca today because economically you're a part of that particular process.

When you talk about Prince George's County being called today, the richest black county in the country based upon home values, a lot of that is because, again, contracting opportunities that came with Mayor and Barry was mayor and then coming out of that. Now, what you have, and we were talking about the black community, and when you're looking at overall, you have to look at the fact that matters this year.

African-Americans have been technically, fully free Americans for only 53 years, 53. 64 Civil Rights Act, 65 Voting Rights Act, 68 Fair Housing Act, and you steal, we're dealing with being locked out. When you look at, it comes the money. If you, if you, I have the money conversation in America, you ain't having a real conversation. And so, when you talk about 400 plus years, and you're only being technically free 53

years, and you have been locked out consistently out of corporate America, I have actually met Nibbli, which is sad, individuals who were the first African Americans to ever work at major companies, and they got there in 72, 73, 75, 78. You're like, what the heck? So when you've been locked out economically, which has an impact on every single factor

in place in America, housing, health, education, then you see why, where we are today, but has there been progress? Yes, has it been enough progress? No, Roland, so if I can finish my question, I'll give you, I'll let you go, but you got, let me finish my question. Go ahead. Okay. So if we have a leadership team running an insurance company for five years and the company isn't growing, you're going to sit there and say, okay, cool. You know what, you guys don't go talk to an employees. We do.

Great. That doesn't mean you're good to an employees. That just means you're going out there to talk to an employee and brag about the fact that you're talking to an employee. Let's give them five more years. Let's give them to an employee. Let's give them five more years. Let's give them 10 more years. Let's give them 20 more years. Let's give them 53 years.

Fast forward today if you can pull up this article, you're a data guy. 27 of the top 30 crime-written cities in America ran by Democrats. Yeah. If they are all about blacks, why are their policies ruining great communities? Question for you, pull it back up. Yeah.

What's the root cause of it? What is it? I'm asking you. No, no, no, you raise it up. No, no, no, you say 27 the top 30 crime rates. You're the ex. No, no, no, no, no, he's a deal though. I can, okay, I'll read the article before you.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, report shows that democrat policies and cities and counties are responsible for rising crime rates in their otherwise red states what are the policies there the the heritage foundation today whatever the policies are is democratic policy no no no no no no whatever the policies are whatever i don't need to know the policy as you do no i do not i don't need to know the policies all i need to know is if you say Democratic policies, but what are the policies?

But wait a minute. If I give you, and I vote for you, and you're supposed to take care of me, why are 27 out of top 30 cities in American crime ran by Democrats? Why? First, I will tell you, first of all, it's where African-Americans are living. So let's bring up Chicago in particular. What you have had in Chicago is, you have had some of the most greatest racial segregation, not in 20 years, not in 30 years,

but literally in 100 plus years. Let's buy them a guy. No, no, here's a deal though. Okay, I will show you, how Mississippi has the largest percentage of black people in America run by Republicans, broke his hair, explain that. Explain me the highest, the highest, tell me when you have, but don't spin, don't spin it, no, no, don't spin it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no need to get the financial situation. No, no, no, no. And you're making the mistake.

You're making the mistake. No, you're making the mistake. No, no, here's the mistake you're making. 20 seven out of 30. Here's the mistake you're making. When you say crime, I just obliterated a black or black and silver in my show on this whole issue. When you say crime, you have to then say, okay, what is the,

what is the, what craze crime? No, what, what craze crime? what craze crime? No, what craze crime? What craze crime? When people are not doing well financially, what else? You're surrounding an environment who you're around. What else? Pick up habits.

What else? Bad policies. No, no, no, no, no. See, you're jumping to policies. What is bad policies? No, no, no, no, no, no. If not policies. Wait a minute. No, no, no. If not, need a company. No, no, no, no, no.

The underpinning is all the way to it. If I run a company, and I'm the CEO of the company, if the company improves or doesn't improve is based on my policies, I'm the head running the company, the department, if it doesn't improve, it's because of me. So let me get laid out to you again. Go forward.

When you talk about what is the underpinning, what the underpinning of crime? John Hope Bryant found about Operation Hope. This is what he said. He said, show me a community where you see and a riot with a credit score 700 or higher. The reality is when you talk about crime in this country, you're talking about economics,

you're talking about education, you're talking about housing, you're talking about health. Show me areas where you do not have high crime, I'm going to show you areas that don't have the same, aren't as compacted, that's first. What you have is when you talk about crime in places, you then look at what are the numbers of people there, what are the pockets there, what are those communities, and how did those communities, how would they create it literally

not over 20, 30 years, but literally over 50, 75, 100 years. Now that was Jim Crow. How many years does it take to change? When you're talking about how many years does it take to create change? When you have, when you have, how long does it take to create change? When you, first of all, you talk to somebody black in America. How long does it take to create change?

When you have had, when you have had, okay, walk through 243 years of slavery, 92 years of Jim Crow, and then you get to 1970 when you are technically fully free, you can act like all of that before did not impact. The issue that you're having now have to do with not democratic or Republican policies. It has to do with literally white supremacy and chemical in America.

We are still, to act as if we are still not dealing with that, how did how did housing discrimination take place in this country? You know who created it? The realtors. They apologize for it. Why are you? What going away from the question? No, no, because these are deal though.

You don't want to deal with what creates crime, crime, area. You got to realize this. Listen, I'm dealing with the real truth. How they create it. What you're dealing with is, oh, they're democratic areas. What I'm dealing with is, how do you deal with the historical reality of neighborhoods that simply can't be just, oh, we're like the one person and they're just gonna change.

That's the work that way. Roll, I'm Middle Eastern, okay. I was born in Iran. Ten years. My mother's a communist, my dad's an imperialist. Okay. Skape we go to Germany. I lived at a refugee camp for two years.

Okay. With people who are Yugoslavian, Czech, Albanian at the time. And they're all leaving for a reason. I come to the States. Okay. I'm a welfare baby. I'm a food stamp baby. Okay. just letting you know, my parents are divorced twice in 20 years. I'm going to Glendale High School, I have a

lunch ticket, I would sell because I don't have any money, I'm six one, 130 pounds, I should tell you the fact that we don't come from a lot of money. One day, I'm in the school and my teacher starts talking about politics. Up until that point, when I think about politics, all I think about is divorce, because I think about my mom and dad arguing all the time. I don't have a lot of pain linked to politics at the time. And the teachers, obviously, the teacher's gonna be a Democrat

because she's presenting how rich people are this way. I'm like, okay, great, rich people are bad. So I can't hold. I love it. Obviously. 13 to one, that's the number, that's the number. That's the number. Do you have a whole lot of them Republican teachers in my life? Why like stats? I love it. I love it. Obviously. 13 to 1. That's the number.

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Who is for the rich and the poor? Yeah, she said, she said, Republicans for the rich, the Democrats are for the poor. Is that, you say you love? Is it true or not? That's the, first of all, was it true or not? Whether that's true or not, we statistically, more rich people true or not? Whether that's true or not. We statistically more rich people on the democratic side today than on the public. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, smart, okay? So sometimes John Maxx was something very important,

very important that I completely held to myself and every time I break this, I don't like it. He said, the moment you learn sales and you learn persuasion, okay? The moment you learn the ability how to persuade you, me, we learn how to persuade. He says, be very careful to not go one step above that, which is to manipulate, just to win all arguments, because you can't. You can win any argument

if you want to. You can play devil's advocate and flip the argument, play the Republican side, and you make one hell of an argument to be the Democrat, because you can do that. You have the ability, have the ability as well. I don't want to do that. What I'm asking you right now is the following results. Today. Yes. 27 out of 30 cities. Yes. That are ran by Democrats are the highest crime in America. That's that. What's the state to live in? What's one of those states? The states are different than the community.

New York, New York, Chicago. No, but that's not the thing. The state is the community. The city is where what are you talking about? The city you're in is what you can touch. Every year you come up and you say, real like, I can help. I can't help. I can't help. Listen, I am born and raised in Texas.

Texas, Houston, Clinton Park, to act as if, oh, so, so, so. Let's stop voting for mayor. There's no way to talk. I'll see. Because they can't do anything. I didn't say that. Let me finish my thought. I am born and raised in Houston, Texas.

Group in Clinton Park neighborhood. To act as if what happens in Austin does not have an impact on Houston is crazy. You're making excuses now. No, I'm not. I'm not. You're making excuses now. Okay, here's a deal though. Here's a deal though.

See, it's real easy to say it's excuses when I'm stating facts. And the point I'm stating is, that's not a fact, that's just an opinion. No, it's a fact. The state of Texas significantly has an impact economically, education on what happens in Houston. That's a fact. Yeah, but as somebody, as somebody who, as a kid,

traveled with my mom to rallies and events with the Metropolitan Organization in the state capital. I understand. Did you grow up rich? Who? Did you grow up rich? No, my parents even go to college. How are you rich then?

What do you mean how? How are you rich? Here's how. How do you, how are you rich? No, no, here's how. Because first and foremost The neighborhood that I grew up yeah had It was one of the first master plan communities by hood what you had in my neighborhood was you had

Folks first of all at mom and dad one who also a mirror also. Oh, yeah, they still may have for the six years Who who absolutely believed in education. Now, what I recognize is, so for me in my household, with my parents emphasized, never went to college, then my brother went to Texas A&M, I went to Texas A&M, my sister went to do in Texas A&M, and so that was our house. What I recognize is that somebody who is next door or across the street around the corner

did not have the situation that I had. Now, I totally get that. What I don't do is be arrogant enough to say, well, I did this. Why can't you? Because I understand that not everyone has the exact same setup, the same situation. What I'm talking about, and this is the, again, but why not give that story of inspiration to say you can get out of it? First of all, you say why not? Why I'm sorry.

Yeah, you clearly have never watched my show when what I talk about consistently are these very issues. I don't sit here and go do doom and gloom. Every single, first of all, every single Tuesday on my show, I feature actual black owned businesses. Every single Wednesday, I feature African-Americans who have tech companies.

I love that. Every Friday, I actually feature second call, education matters folks who are in the education space, school, choice, I got HPCU connect. So I do all of that. So first, so, so, so, what was that? One second. But you know why I said thatU connect. So I do all of that. So first, so, so, so, so, so, but, one second, one second.

But you know why I said that? Let me tell you why I said that because you said, because you said, I'm not the one that says, look at me. I got out, so can you, that's what you said. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Here's why I say that because it is arrogant when as an individual, I'm one assuming everyone else's situation is the same.

That's first, two, it's also arrogant to then not actually study and look at how from a macro level, see you're describing a micro level. There's always, you can always have that singular individual or this person or that person or this family. That's micro.

What I'm talking about is macro issues. And what I'm saying is, when I look at communities, that's not micro, that's macro. Even within the African-American community, when you dealt with Jim Crow, you couldn't live anywhere else. You literally could not live anywhere else. Bomb line is, if you were black and had money,

then you were black and broke, you were literally could not live anywhere else. Bomb line is that you were black and had money and then you were black and broke. You were literally living in the same neighborhood. After Jim Crowe integration, what then happened? Those African-Americans who were middle class, of a middle class, began to move away. What then began to happen was you had areas where poverty increased even more so. Why move away? Why move away? Because if you care about the community,

why not stay there and change it? Well, first of all, does anybody else move? What do you mean? Who the hell else don't move? How do you think suburbs would create? But wait a minute. How do you think white flight was created? So everybody else, we came move?

But if you act like you care about the community, you stay there. No, no, no, no, I asked you your question. Do you know why? Because when African-American living in black neighborhoods, they also had economic, the price, the price, housing values. And the reality is, they were not able to change it.

Help change it. Are you serious? Yeah, I am. I am. Okay, I'll give you an idea. Are you familiar with Palmdale? I'm gonna need you to be drug tested. Seriously.

Do you even know today, we've done the stores in Florida when somebody's black selling their house, the appraisers will come in and literally give them a value of 100 to $300,000 less because they're black? You know that actually happened, right? You'll take one story and say that.

Oh my God. How many occasions has that happened? That, are you serious? Do you think a message like, okay, why don't you go ahead and Google? Why don't you go ahead and Google? How many times does that happen? I believe it's happened.

How many times does that happen? The New York Times literally just did a story talking about these systemic racism that exists within housing appraisals. This is a fundamental problem. I'm trying to see, you're living in a different reality. What progress are you making by saying that? So what progress?

So what you're trying to end that? Okay. Do you know how in here? Okay, hold on, you said you're middle Eastern, right? You're trying to. Hold on, you said you're middle Eastern, right? You're trying to, hold on, you said you're middle Eastern, right? Yes. How would you feel? How would you feel?

Yes. If you're selling your home, you've got a home that you know, right? And you put upgrades in it, and you know your home is worth $500,000. Yes. And somebody comes into your home, and they see your photos. Right.

And they see your family. And then they go back and they go. 350,000. You go thousand appraising? How many times that happened? You want to pull that up? Tell me in the pull that up. That's your world though out of a thousand appraisals. How many times does that happen? Let's just say it. It is a significant issue in America. Oh my god. And when one second, one second, there's a one. And then when the woman takes when the woman, a black person should not have to remove their photos From the wall and remove black art and remove black books to have a wider pressure than come in and go

Oh, it's actually 501 seconds one second. I'll come and show you how impact generation So when you follow me here because this is how I'm with you. I'm with. When you then get that lower appraisal, you then cannot sell your house for the higher value, which then means you are not then taking those proceeds and being able to invest, being able to send your kids to school. And what I'm trying to explain to you is

there is a world out here that for some reason, you're like living in unity world that ain't the real America. You're, you're, you're trying to get rid of that stuff. You have the wrong guy here. You have to get rid of it. Okay. Good for you. Me and I am as well, but you have the wrong guy here.

And here's what I mean by that. So when you ask the question, what do you do if they praise your house $350,000 less? Right? That's your question. Okay. I don't see myself as a victim. I stop looking myself as a victim a long time ago. And by the way, being Armenian and Assyrian, you know what a lot of people in the Armenian community do? You know what a lot of people in the Armenian community do?

They sell victimhood mentality. I'm raised with that, which is the statement of Mechka. I know you don't know what the word Mechka means. Mechka means poor role and poor PBD. I don't see myself as a victim. And the other part is when you use one story as an example to divide and get people even angrier because out of a thousand appraisals this happened one time,

I don't think you're unifying when you say statement like that to say, hey, this is what's taking place all the time. But going back to it, so you left because you wanted better economic situation for yourself. This is, listen to what you just said again. I'm having a heart to listen to what you say when you're saying.

It's fundamentally flawed because when you say, oh my God, you see yourself as a victim. You do. No, you're selling it as a victim. No, I'm not, but I'm selling is a reality. What I'm selling is when the, this is again, since you didn't, I guess you couldn't pull it up, okay? Oh, he did pull it up.

Okay, the Biden administration, the Federal Housing Finance Agency released 47 million appraisal reports to the public for the first time. The appraisals, which were compiled between 2013 and 2021, present evidence of a persistent widespread practice in the home appraisal industry to give higher values to homes when the occupants are white

and devalue them if the owners of people have called. That's such bullshit. That's such bullshit. You know why? Hold up, wait a minute. Let me tell you why that's such bullshit. They actually took the reports and showed the data and now you call it bullshit.

Of course I saw the bullshit. So you asked for the data and the facts. No, no, no data and now you call it bullshit. Of course I call it bullshit. So you asked for the data and the facts. And now you give your opinion because you don't like the facts. Stop, bro. Come on man. Yes I do. So when you run a company,

how much shit can I find in the OPEX? How much? With OPEX. When I go into my balance sheet and I look at my expenses, my monthly expenses, what I'm paying for, rent, employees, expenses, what I'm paying for, rent, employees, benefits, workers comp. I can give a number and say, we lost $280,000 this year.

And I said, oh my god, we lost $280,000. And then I open up the balance sheet and then, boom, I'll see you're moving your face like you know what I'm talking about. First, I'll tell you data like this. Tell me the whole story. To jump to conclusion with something like this, what I've seen the entire story, it's ludicrous to make a comment like that. But analyze it. It's a millions of appraisals by using

census crack down for me. As a proxy for neighborhoods and comparing communities with nearly identical housing stock. Two researchers found that the results showed a clear correlation. The higher the proportion of white residents in each community, the higher the appraised value of individual homes. They compared similar data. See again, you want to reject the facts.

And what I'm trying to explain to you is, I am refusing to constantly have people give data without me having access to the entire thing. Oh, I'm on my way to the point. So what you're saying here, in order for you, you need access to the 47 million home appraisals. I'd love to see yourself. I would love to see it. Okay, guess what?

It's a fail agency. I'd love to see it. But here's, here's follow what? A for you. Okay, so I'd love to see it. You know why? Here's a part. How often do you see data. But here's, here's, follow what? A for you. Okay, so I'd love to see it. You know why? Here's the part. How often do you see data being used

and we don't know the whole story? Both sides. How often? But first of all, we see data out there, but what I'm saying, I'm looking at data, actual data, and I'm also looking at a reality. And here's what I'm saying to you. And again, this is what you, for some reason,

you're not fully accepting. When what is the most consistent way Americans have been able to actually build wealth, it has been through housing, that's been historical. And when you are black in America, this is not a propignan, this is not a perspective,'s a fact. What we have seen is when you have been unable to enter the housing industry, meaning, covenants saying you can't sell the black people, then when you actually buy a home, and they've been grossly undervalued, that then limits you from being able to sell your home

in a higher value and now take the profits and then create a business and then be able to, so you're kids to college. And what I'm saying to you is, when that has been persisted, when you look at the appraisals, one, when you look at inability where you're buying a house, two, all of a sudden now you see a clear way how African-Americans have been impacted. Now, historically, but still in present day. And what I'm saying to you is, whether you are Democrat or Republican, I want that to

change because what I want is some, you've had 53 years. The Democrats have had the Democrats. When Republicans were president and in charge, they didn't change the Democrats have been Democrats have had the black vote for 53 years. What have you done? You're not even answering the question. What's that? On this issue right here, this issue right here, this Democrat, you Republican, independent,

it is a systemic American problem. You still have an answer. My back is actually, I asked you about 27 out of 30 cities. You blamed the state. No, no, no, I answered the question. What did you say? I said to you, you show me high crime areas. I am explaining you how they're high crime areas.

And what I'm saying? None of it has to do with their policies. The, what? High crime cities in America. None of it has to do with Democrats where I'm in the state. And you gave me name the policy. What policy?

Give me three democratic policies. The point is you can name the policy. This is your world. If I'm in the business ready and you ask me a question I'm at ending cash bail defunding the police which is in our faces refusing to prosecute categories of crimes Letting thousands of convicted felons out on prison release So there's a population so that's so that right there. That's the reason for high that's the reason for high crime in the last 20 years No, I'm just saying that's that's the reason for a high, that's the reason for a high crime in the last 20 years. No, I'm just saying that's the article from was that from New York Times.

You still have an answer. No, no, no, no, no, I'm actually answering. And here's the whole deal. First of all, when you talk about the issue of Indian cash bail, that's actually been very recent. Two, ain't no defund the police. The reality is you have seen a major increase in funding of police.

And no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not were Republicans are Democrats. They were activists. First of all, they hate both parties. You wouldn't even talk to them. I do. But the Democrats in Congress were repeating it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, some, hey, I could quote Louis Goldmer and some crazy stuff that he says and go, well, you know what, that's Republicans. The reality is this here, Democrats, Democratic mayors, Democratic governors, and yes, Democratic president have greatly increased funding of police in this country. Ain't even a question.

So we can, you can holler, but Democrats, defund the police when it shows. They've actually increased the fight. Show the video. They've increased the fight. You asked for it. You asked for it. Show the video now. Show the video I just emailed you.

I just texted you. Because who we got now? Democrites. Democrites haven't said defund the police at all. Cause they would never say that. Now do you say Democrats haven't said it? Activists said that. You're worse. No, no, you said't said it. Activists said that your words.

No, no, you said who created the phrase. I said it was who supported that created the point who came up with the concept of defunding the police. Activist did. And then which credible of Democrats are there were some Democrats. No, not some. These are some.

Have you. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, to do something. One, Mary Erika said he's saying, take some of the money from policing about $150 million. I plot Erika said he for doing what he's done. Not only do we need to invent. No, no, no, no, we've seen the best too. We're in the police.

No, no, there's two. Sorry, don't do it. We've seen the best. No, that's me too. That's just me. Defund your butt. Defund your butt. Yes, I support the reallocation of resources. Three? No, that's not def. Yes, I support the reallocational resources.

Three? No. No, that's not defund. You're taking the reallocating non-examination. No, no, no, no, no. Because the above the chest, okay? Two. Two.

They are talking about. It's five minutes. No, it's not. The allocation of resources to them. You're not saying that. No, no, no, no. You're saying, how's that work? Who is your brother?

I want to be thinking about the same thing. Yes, I support the deep fund. That's the key point. That's the Three Don't spin Okay, if you right there, what does reallocate me would you like me to continue this? No, it's no I don't spend a no you're wrong. You're wrong. Do you do you understand? Do you understand that in a significant number of cities in this country right what where you have Policing who do everything? Okay, you have in some cities where the police are handing out parking tickets where the police are doing duties that they had nothing with streets. When you say reallocate what that says is okay why should we have police handing out parking tickets?

Why don't we have them doing the major function of fighting crime? Why don't we actually have this unit that handles that? That's called reallocation. When you talk about the issue of mental illness, no I'm not, I'm standing fast. First of all it makes me both of you a question. If I wanted you actually covered city hall before. No, don't, don't, don't, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm giving you, you want facts.

Here's a deal. I actually have been a city hall reporter. I have actually been in the city meetings. When you talk about, why don't you just say you were wrong? Why don't you just say Democrats were wrong? Because I'm not wrong because you're wrong. No, but explain to me reallocation. Hold up, Mr. CEO, when you're in a company and when you reallocate funds from one unit

to the other, are you cutting funding or are you simply adjusting? Why do you have a hard time just saying they said it? Why do you have a hard time? By they said it? Why do you have a hard time by the way? I can actually Allow three people who say Define if you allow that you would have heard them saying defund the police who I live women I literally heard national stay shuffle. I heard Kamala Harris say reallocate you go. Oh, that's defund You actually have a reallocation of resources that exist in city government, county government, state government, federal government, every single day.

But for some reason, you don't want to deal with that. Was it spin when I told you that Democratic mayors and governors in the president, they greatly increase police funding? Why, can you announce that as a fact? Roll it. If I sit with you and you can acknowledge, can you acknowledge as a fact and you can acknowledge that your side of the party.

It's not my side. Support it. See, that's right there. See, you're yelling your side. I'm not yelling my side. You said your side. I'm a registered independent. Here's the whole deal though.

I, first of all, again, first of all, in Texas, you, I don Here's the whole deal though. I, first of all again, first of all in Texas, you, I don't have the registered anything. You, you still, you still are not gonna acknowledge the fact that the defund the police concept was brought up and constantly reaffirmed by some of the most powerful Democrats in America. The speaker of the house saying in America, shuffling of funds, that is not defunded.

If you, if you would have, the vice president, Kamala Harris said, reallocation, that is not, but Ilhan Omar said, not only defund, you said dismantle. How many people are listening to that? How many people are listening to that? That's one member of Congress, right?

Oh, but you want to let, let's hope, let's hope, let's hope, let's hope, let's hope, let's hope, let's hope, let's hope, let's hope, let's hope, let's hope, let's hope, let's hope, let's hope, let's hope, let's hope, let's hope, let's hope, let's hope, let's hope, let's hope, let's hope, let want to let the whole thing play. First of all, show me, here's a deal. Show me 218 who defended that and actually voted for the happen. Please, you can't.

You know why? Because they see this is where credibility is lost. What are you talking about? Credibility is lost if this is utterly hilarious. I am stating a nut about that. I understand. Democratic mayors, Democratic governors, Democratic president.

President, your voice doesn't validate your argument. Increased funding, Mayor Lori Lifefoot of Chicago took actual COVID funds and shifted 20 minutes to the police department to deal with the mental issues that they were having. Oh, I'm sorry, is that reallocation? Maybe one of the worst, maybe one second.

She took COVID money. Yeah. Hold up, COVID money and reallocate it for that. Oh, but reallocation works when you agree with it. What I'm trying to explain to you is, when you say, DeFi, you can cut. You can, you can see,

fun means good. You remember earlier when I said, there's a difference between persuasion and manipulation, you can spin any argument. I'm not spinning. You're very good at debating. You're very good at raising your voice interrupting all that stuff. I watched you for years. I just think it's hilarious.

But what's, the both of you would say that the Democratic Party has supported defund the police when the fact that they supported it. I said the Democratic Party came up with the idea of defunding the fact that they supported when the fact of the Democratic party came up with the idea of defunding the police and they supported it. You're actually wrong. You've not heard Republicans say defund the police. You've not heard actually. You're actually wrong. In Senator Tim Scott's policing bill that he released in 2021 in the bill. I will happily send it to you. What did he say? He actually sent what did he say? I want to hear it. No, I'm a real. Oh, let me guess. He said reallocate. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's not what he said

It could see what you don't understand is but here's what we're gonna know. No, no, no, when the drug flood just as I the entire On the George Floyd just as I say entire I literally sit place. I see this to send her to him sky And he didn't answer my question. When we were running for office and I answered yes to that question. We are going to reduce funding in the police department and redirect that money. Is that a smart move? No, reduce funding. Just keep growing and growing and growing. What did they do?

Police cuts are a good thing. No, it wasn't a $1 million. He just said that you don't even know one of the 3D you know what she did. I don't know you that wasn't a sheet. I was a guy million long before in cuts where she did to leave to get a no more policing in the military police cuts are good thing in these communities. If they not know they job. Oh my god. So you can so right here. No, no, no, no, you say to me you say it. Oh my God. So you say we want. Right here. No, no, no, no, you say to me, you said,

oh, show me Republican when Senator Tim Scott introduced his bill. Okay. I'm police reform. This is one of the things that he did. When it failed last year, he went on Margaret Brennan show CBS face the nation. He said the Democrats wanted to defund the police and that was a bridge too far. In Senator Tim Scott's own bill, they actually said in order for police to qualify for these funds, laws will have to be passed on the city of the state level. Oh my God. Oh my God. Excuse me, excuse me, excuse me. Oh my God.

So if you buy that into defund the police, but we need to reduce it right there. You want even listen. You want even listen. Buddy, if there's anybody who doesn't listen to you. No, you listen, Senator Tim Scott said that they won't get the funds, it lost don't get passed. When the George Floyd, listen, no, no, no, no, if you first, if you listen, I'm telling you what he did.

He did a year later, calls that same thing, defund the police and I literally, and if you wanna see it, those are the text messages. You're so funny. I sent to Senator Tim Scott, I said Senator Tim Scott, please explain to me the difference between what you said, the Democrats are doing, what you did. You just hurt your argument even more.

What's talking about? Because what you just did is validated everybody of what they just said. No, no. Yes. Because he was what Kamala said. When Nancy Pelosi said they're all saying the same thing. He found the police. What is it? And now they realize it was about I should not say the

fun of the police. Of course, he did not either. Oh, oh, wait a minute. So you say what Kamala said was deep on the police. No, you're not a human. You just said what you yourself. Not that you did. No, I did.

Of course you did. No, I was specifically calling out Senator Tim Scott by trying to call something defund the police when they were simply proposing exactly what he was. You know what's the problem. Here's the problem. Roland, the problem is when I sat down, when I sit down with somebody with whatever thing they believe in, okay, it's specifically a lot on the Democratic side. It's specifically.

It is, it is, it is being a Democrat before their country. It is how they vote before America. It is nope, I'm gonna defend this because there's no way these guys gonna say anything wrong with the fun the police. And that's where you lose credibility. All you have to say is, you have no, you have no, you have no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, have to say is you have no I you acknowledge you have no so or you have to say you have no credibility on this when you can't even acknowledge what reallocation means you have no credibility when you can't even define that when I have actually talked to mayors and city council members, and they have walked through how when London

and the city policies have destroyed the city. Here you go. Here you go, we destroyed the cities. Destroy the city. 53 Democrats have had to vote. When the mayor, when the mayor of San Francisco talked about the mental illness crisis in their particular city and they said we need to be sending mental health folks

out on calls and not always the cops. Now, we've seen numerous examples what that happens. What has actually happened in the last 30, 40 years in Democrat and Republican cities and states in the country? We've seen a massive cut of mental illness. What is the greatest increase of incidents? No, I'm not.

I'm stating fact, but you don't like, but you refuse to acknowledge or accept, because you're stuck on, Numerous of Hadim of 53 years, you act as a man. I'm asking you. No, no, no. Show me. Show me how the Republicans change. There's no way to talk with you, bro. I gotta tell you.

So show me how the Republicans changed. So here's what I tell you. Give me examples. Are you gonna let anybody speak? I'm waiting for your example. If you have 92% of an entire community's vote. Like the Evangelicals? Or 60 years.

Like the Evangelicals? Evangelicals are also part of that black vote. If you have a 90% of the two percent you actually don't understand a evangelicals black evangelicals if you have ninety two percent of the black vote for fifty nine years fifty nine years later twenty seven out of thirty cities for crime are ran by democrats your policies don't work and let me actually have to revisit i'm me ask you a question. People have to revisit, I'm gonna ask you a question.

Let me finish and I'll let you talk. You either have to consider new policies or the voters have to consider a new party. And let me ask you this question. When Republicans have been in charge of the house, the Senate, the White House, or the governor's mansion, or state-referenced state senators, or the legislature, because 31 states right now, they control both chambers, a significant number of them in the South, where the majority

of Black people are, please show me, show me empirical data, how the lives of black people have fundamentally changed under Republican rule. I wait. Do you know who started getting more votes from the black community? Do you know who your favorite guy? Do you know who? Who? Who your best friend? I'm not going to say it.

Donald Trump. Got it. Yeah. Do you know who said it? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no control Arkansas, they control Tennessee, so they control the legislature in North Carolina. So let me, so since you, I'm gonna use your argument. Please show me, please, please show me how

at the lives of African-Americans are drastically improved in those places where Republicans completely control then other places. Show me. Give me an example. Roland, if you would have answered any of my questions, if you would have answered any of my questions in the last hour and a half. Which you don't like the answer. No, it's not I don't like the answer.

You know I did, sir. You say, tell me the policies. I'm asking you the policies. Oh, so you don't, so I can't ask you a question. You can't give an answer. You can, but I would like, I brought you here, but I'm not on your show now, give you the answer, because I'm the guest. Wait, wait, wait, know, I'm asking, so I can't ask you a question. You can't give an answer. You can, but I would like, I brought you here. I'm by the way, I brought you on the show. First of all, even on my show, if somebody asked me a question,

I'll answer the question. I've answered your questions. You still can't answer. And the reason why you can't answer. We've been in an hour and 20 minutes now. You still haven't answered a question. Actually, I have. Actually, I have.

What policy? Here's why you haven't answered. You blame the state. No, no, no. You blame surrounding city. No, you blame Republicans. That's what you blame. You have not. Actually I have. What policy? Here's why you haven't and you blame the state. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no to you is what I recognize is how do we fix these again? Insta two should we long range? How do we fix them first and foremost, first and foremost, we got to stop denying that actually it's a problem, which you have done. Oh, no, first, I just showed you, it's a problem.

27 out of 30. It is a problem. We've got to stop denying the real. 59 years of them, you guys have had the vote. You said you're denied the systemic reality of racism in a housing appraiser industry by going, I need to see the 47 million. You just denied it.

And I want a million. One million percent I need to see the data. And I want you to see the data. One million percent I need to see the data. Here's the deal. And by the way, you give in too much credibility to New York Times. Here's the deal.

Oh, okay, fine. Do you want to pull up what? First of all, you gave the Heritage Report. You read a New York Times report citing the Heritage Foundation. Dude, really? Wait, you're telling me New York Times got a lot of credibility, that's what you're saying.

You lived, no, I just told you, you referenced the Heritage Foundation. Dude, come on. That's the Daily Signal, I didn't, that's the Daily Signal. And who owns them? I don't even know who owns Daily Signal. Heritage Foundation.

Okay, great. I've done this show, so that's in-house organization. Here's what I'm telling you. But by the way, go to another side of it. I'm going back, I'm going back, would you still won't even answer? And this is what I'm telling you. You can't even show me.

Not when you was Mississippi. Since Mississippi has the highest concentration of black people of any state in America, but Republicans have ruled that state since the Mississippi Constitutional Convention in 1891, not a single African-American has been elected statewide in Mississippi. So, if Republicans control the governors mansion, the legislature in Mississippi. How then since you talk about the policies, how is it the lives of African Americans have not improved in Mississippi?

If you say it's, the Democrats, it's their policies, show me, tell me how it has improved in Mississippi. Uh, Roland, until you give me your answer under questions I've've asked I gave you and you're gonna go to one specific Exam no, and this is what I will tell you here's what I will tell you Arkansas Tennessee South Carolina North Carolina Georgia I'll give you multiple states you still have an answer to question. I answered your question. No, you have not you don't like the ends No, you have not answered a question. I had you blamed them deflected you don't like the answer You don't like the answer. I, you have not answered a question. I had you plan them deflect it. You don't like the answer You don't like the answer. I get your answer is tell me about Memphis. It's deflect That's a first part. I never even brought up Memphis. You just not Memphis, Mississippi. You deflect no

I'm giving you an example of what? No, because it's you you have an ex now 2730. Let me say you haven't explained let me say it again 15 years you've had the most you said and I'm telling you what have you done about it. You said since you said it says you said oh my god. You democratic votes show me in Republican red as red estates how they have improved the lives of African-Americans. Show me. Roland.

Roland, I don't think you under some what I'm saying to you right now. I understand what you're saying. Let me ask a question for you. What is your method of helping African Americans? Go ahead, tell us. First and foremost, when we talk about helping African Americans, I'm going to acknowledge what a systemic and systemic. Systemic?

Yeah, define it. Systemic is when you have the housing appraisal, that's systemic. Okay. Systemic is when you have a higher proportion, four to five times a black children who are being expelled or arrested in school compared to white kids. That's systemic. Now, no, no, no, no, you asked how. First and foremost, we have what's community, we have what's systemic, what's community

based, which means the village, or also what is individual. When you start talking about how do you make transformations in this country, first and foremost, you have to deal with the two most important things. Health, and you deal with the issue of education. When Republicans and conservatives were talking about getting rid of Roe v. Wade, I literally said, okay, gotcha, and I had been watching the former NFL player

come on, he had a documentary on the issue of abortion. And abortion and I said Ben here's the fundamental problem when I hear pro life I said you're not pro life You're anti-abortion I said because the people who are so-called pro life I said show me the policies when they confront the infant mortality rate Among African-Americans show me when they confront the higher number of black women who are dying in childbirth, the people who are having children, he said, you can't. They literally can't.

And so that's an example. When we talk about again, health, we're talking about prenatal care. We talk about those issues. That means that if you're a black child and you have a higher incident of black women who are dying in childbirth Serena we can see it ain't just money thing Serena Williams

Talked about all her money how she almost died in childbirth because white doctors were not listening to her Do you know the opioid crisis why it initially was killing more white people? You know why? Because doctors in America, the studies showed it. Doctors were saying, we're not gonna prescribe the opioids to African-Americans because we think they're coming to us for drugs. So, y'all gotta take Tylenol.

So, they were overprescribing oxycontin and all these powerful medics, and I said, well, my goodness, thank God, the one time racism benefited black people, we were not over prescribed oxy-contin and other bills, other appeals. The white death rate has, the average length of whites living in America

has dropped largely because of the opioid crisis. So that's systemic, that a systemic in your system. What's your effect on that? How do we fix this? So first of all, the way you first of a fixed-inthing systemic, you even acknowledge that it's systemic. That's first. Two, then you have to have your data

and then being going, it's okay now. Let's now confront the reality we're facing. You cannot have in schools where you have largely white teachers who don't know how to handle black kids, whose automatic call is call of cops, where you now have kids who are in kindergarten first grade, who now are being handcuffed and now taking down the jail. What you have to deal with is in a school system,

how do you deal with those children but also where they're coming from? What's one of the issues? I talk to numerous superintendents and teachers. One of the biggest things that kids are coming to school hungry. When Republicans, when you talk about food and talk about food and to about porn,

when they wanted to cut snap benefits, I was sitting here going, not explaining that to me. How do we got the richest prosperous country in the world? And we want to cut food benefits to folk who are hungry. Kids, teachers, principals, superintendents have said one of the biggest things that we're facing are kids who literally

are coming to school who are hungry. That's why they can't study. Probably got discipline problems. So now, okay, this down, how do we deal with that? We have to acknowledge that even exists. What we can't do is from a macro political level is go, oh, these folks, y'all just don't want to work. It's called the working poor for a reason.

They are working. I'm not gonna just throw people under the bus and go, oh, you're just ignorant, you don't want to work. I'm acknowledging the fact of the matter is, when the Republican governor of Alabama, I teen years ago, he wanted to change the tax code. And he used Jesus as the model. He said, folks, in Alabama, they were texting people beginning at $4,600.

The thing was $4,600 was $9,600. He said, he's a poor people. He used evangelicals, wikers or evangelicals. He used, he's campaigning. Jesus talked about how we have the poor, blah, blah, blah, blah. He was in this whole deal. When it came time to vote, what you think happened? Lost. 65 to 35. So the same folk who love Jesus, the same folk who holla, oh, I'm pro life and I love me some Jesus and I'm an evangelical.

No, when it came to that, no, they voted with a pocketbook because they were saying, oh, those broke poor people, a Republican governor, a pocketbook, because they were saying, ah, those broke poor people, a Republican governor, a conservative evangelical, they said, nah, nah, nah, it's our pocketbook. The problem we have in this country is we are frauds when we talk about, we care about the poor.

We are fraudulent, we say that. I agree. Both sides. And what happens is, I said America. Yeah. I said America, that includes everybody. And so what then happens is I said America. Yeah, I said America that calls includes everybody and the pro and and so what then happens is our economic policies Screw them and then we go yeah

Why you should pull yourself up by your own bootstraps when the reality is you think some politicians don't want to get blacks out of their Financial some of these bad communities. You don't think they want them to let me come independent making money You think some people would like to keep them where they're at? Let me be clear. In America? Yes. In America? Yes.

Cause it's reflected in our policies. Talked, how Reverend William Barre from the Pope's campaign. So, so, and this is not just, it's reflected in us. And it's not just race. Roland. Is that just race? Roland, look, because it's more broke white folks

in America than black. When you run a business and you have 40,000 agents nationwide and they're Hispanic, 54% Hispanic, 24% African American. This is our business. I have offices in Memphis. I have offices in Mississippi. Okay. I have offices in Chicago. I have offices in You know Southside, I can go offices in I was just in Calverton. Where's Calverton is in?

Where's Calverton? Calvertons in Baltimore or DC? I have offices in I go to all that have offices in Tallahassee Have offices everywhere, okay, and I go to all the offices in Tallahassee, I have offices everywhere. Okay. And I go visit these places, okay? Because it's what I need to do to go check on these folks. You have to realize, 60% of our company, they're Democrats. Okay.

Point I'm trying to make two ways. And again, then do what I'm talking about. But it does to me, because I, Of course it does. Well, yeah, you're saying it in sarcastic way. I'll tell you in my way because I want to find out what we can do to improve. And if the data improves, Republican policies are doing better, which they haven't had a chance to do because they haven't had the vote for four or five years.

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I know he was president, not just him. Same thing. Obama. If we take out 2009, 2010, okay, oh my God, this is what it looks like. I can't ignore 0.9 and 0.10. And 10, we can't go, well, my goodness, I know we had a war when FDR was president. Look, when you the president, you get the good and you get the bad. The assessment is overall. So, pre, pre, global pandemic.

What's that? He wasn't helping African-American. He didn't. He wasn't. On deployment, everything wasn't going up during Trump in the first years. So once the pandemic hit, that was bad, dude. Are we now saying that the president is responsible and gets credit for unemployment in a being low?

Are we saying that? I'm saying every policy that he was doing to help African Americans, no, what you said. You said every once a, once a pandemic hit. Now I said name the policy. I said name the policy. I said name the policy. You said unemployment rate, that's not a policy.

Because the reality right now is unemployment rate right now at the lowest 54 years, including Trump. The black unemployment rate lowest 54 years, including Trump. I'm asking you said Trump helping policies. I'm asking what policy? I didn't say policies. I said helping African Americans all know. You said policies. Can you name them? Can you name them? I'm waiting. What what I said to you is to follow. Can you name the policy? What I said to you is to follow. I said 59 years. Got it. You've had this vote. And I'll come you having to make bigger progress in the same 59 years. You're going to say republicans have the house and it in the president. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, the message is question. If a Republican wins, are black folks still constituents? Of course, okay sure so when Republicans have won yeah

Show me again Republicans yeah, whether we're talking about state city county state governor or legislature and Congress show me how Lies of black people have improved. I've asked you, there are 10 or more Southern states. When you turn on every single news and every single personality that says Republican doesn't want to good for you. It's the Democrats that are here to help you.

Here's a deal. Yeah, you've had 59 years. And Republicans in the reign, 59 years have been elected. And what do they do? 92% of the vote you've had for 59 years have been elected and what did they do? 92% of the vote you've had for 59 years. Even the same 59 years, they won. But you can't, but you simply are ignoring that. But how much has improved 27 out of 30?

And I'm asking you, in those same cities, in those same states, who are still constituents? Here's what, here's the thing that we're again, and this is what was you for some reason. I don't know, like it was a block in your brain. If you are Republican, and I have to this African Americans, you vote for somebody and your person don't win, you will still look constituent.

And the reality is, you are. So you still look constituent. It's so funny because Ted Cruz gave it interview yesterday when he was jammed up by Margaret Brennan about Ted, how are you supporting a two-term limit in the United States Senate to run for your third term? He goes, well, because the 30 million Texans want me there. Now, there's a lot of Texas who didn't want you there, but we're still constituents. So the question still comes is, Senate Ted Cruz, what are you doing for African Americans?

I can't act as if you're acting as if Republicans have no responsibility. Have don't have to do any policies that even when they win, even when they win, even when they win. Oh, it's all Democrats. And what I'm telling you is what we're dealing with in this country dealing with is you have one part that historically over the last 50 plus years has just completely like I ain't talking to you. Yeah.

Ain't talking to you. That's what you've had. Well, over here, you have Democrats who have had some policies have had talk. Let me be real clear because I've jammed them up on many things. Absolutely should be doing more. We talk about rate of return. I jammed up President Obama directly saying, I'm not just excited because you're the first black president,

you're still the 44th president. And what I'm telling you is, because you won't answer that question, even in the places, Republicans have complete control, whether policies. What do you want from them, though? You want them to do what? You want CRT, no, no, no, no. Now, what would you want from them, though? You want them to do what?

You want CRT and what you want. What would you like for that? What would you like from them? I love how you just throw that up. Here's what I want. I want them to treat black folks and Latinos, or anybody who did not vote for them as constituents. They are.

No, they're not. You think Democrats are treating Republicans as constituents? Wait, wait, wait, wait. No, no, excuse me. You're not. Democrats are treating Republicans as a reflection. What the law? Do you live in? No, no, you're in the law. Yeah. When governor Tate Reeves, when governor Tate Reeves, a Mississippi said and proudly said when I was a treasurer of Mississippi, I purposely didn't send funds to Jackson, Mississippi. But now he wants to complain about the water crisis. Well, dude, you were the treasurer. You neglected resources. What city supplies more of the state's revenue in Mississippi?

Jackson, what supplies more of the sales tax revenue? Mississippi Jackson. What supplies more of the sales tax revenue Jackson? But you wanted to deny the resources to the very same city as Republican and what I'm telling you is and I don't again I don't know why you just somehow like rose colored the issue. I'm saying is this here if Republicans Want to be like Missouri show me me, find, show me. But I'm telling you, I don't know how many black Republicans you've sat with, but I've sat with a hell of a whole lot. And their, their great frustration is their own party. One of you listen to them.

Have you ever talked to Michael Steele? I'm just asking if we're talking to Michael Steele. I, I, I have not. I have not have a problem having a mom. Okay. He was a brother who actually ran the Republican national community. Yeah. And he will openly tell you of the absolute frustration he had with Republican leaders on the very same thing that we're talking about. So let me ask you different questions. So you can yell Democrats all day. I'm telling you black Republicans. I got sure. You've had 59 years and 27 out of 30. And Republicans have been elected in the 90s. 27 out of 30 cities.

So here we go. Here's a question for you. During COVID, what state do you think handled COVID the best? Well, we say handle COVID the best. Yeah, which one, which one's policy is handled COVID the best? We say handle COVID the best. You had, first of all, you got to break that thing. You had testing, you COVID-19. Yes. You had, first of all, you got to break that thing. You had testing, you had your vaccine,

then you had your mask, you had your businesses. I think different states did things well. The greatest problem was that they were left to their own devices because of gross ignorance coming out of the White House. Be specific with the states, which one? First of all, I'm unpacking it. First of all, when you had states

that were forced to compete for equipment, and that was just stupid. Again, you had failure of leadership. So when I look at the various states, when I look at what California did, some things good, when I look at, excuse me, oh, I'm, I look at the various states, when I look at what California did, some things good, when I look at, excuse me, oh, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, are you gonna get to,

I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, to see what you're good. I said, I'm walking through it. Okay. Some of the lockdowns they had were good. When I look at some of the mask mandates that took place in places like Georgia were good. When I look at some of the places in Florida, good, when I look at some of the policies

that took place in New York state were good because it was based upon nursing homes, it was based upon hospitals. That was such a, again, the problem that we had statewide was that you had such gross neglect federally that it was disjointed all around the country. When you had Maryland like flying private planes and trying to find equipment and doing stuff along those lines, never get someone that sort of stuff. So you had so you had Republican governors, Democratic governors, and different states, who were doing things well?

Who was the high and told, they were, wait a minute. I can't, I can't, wait a minute. I interrupted you hoping you would say it. You said with California did good with the lockdown. You said Georgia mask. You didn't say anything about New York what they did right and what floored it.

No, no, no, no. What I said, what I said, I'd say it. You didn't say what floored it. I did right and what Florida did. No, no, no, what I said, what I said, I said, you didn't say what Florida did right when New York did right. I actually did. And also I said in New York in terms of what they were doing with their nursing homes, hospitals and restrooms. I bought Florida. Florida.

Florida same thing, some of the mask mandates and also, and again, also when it came to testing. What the problems that we saw again was that this thing was so fast moving and again, no real federal leadership. So these states were left to like, thin for themselves. And I think one of the greatest, one of the greatest, you know, most shameful thing is when you got a state that were overpaying for goods and services when it should have been run through the federal government and actually streamline.

States should not have been competing against one another and fight if equipment. When Maryland, what Republican governor, Hogan was doing in Maryland, trying to compete against Democratic governor in Virginia, competing against a Democratic governor in New York, competing against a Republican governor in Florida, that was absolutely crazy.

But again, there were some very good things. Thank God, we had folks who ramped up testing facilities, who ramped up, who were using stadiums and things like those lines. And so those things were good. But there were a lot of things that were bad. And so again, it was some good, a lot of bad. Roland, how do you judge a data, specific to data?

How do you judge the data, specific to data? How do you judge the best country to live in with the best opportunities? Well, here's a deal. When you say that, there are numerous factors there. So you go economic, you go health, you go education, you go positive living, you go environment, you go all of that. And so there are reports that are studies done

that America not at the top. There are other countries. Now here's a deal. We go, oh my God, that's not us. Are there other countries better educationally than United States? Yes. When it comes to our healthcare system,

some parts of our system, great. I'm Houston, Texas Medical Center, MD Anderson, Cancer Institute, tops in the country. Sure. The other aspect, awful. What I recognize is that we ain't perfect. We're good, we're great areas,

but we aren't great in other areas. When we complain about human rights abuses in China, we act like police violence don't happen here. The fact of the matter is. The big difference. Okay. Tell us who the person who got beat. Yeah, it's a big difference.

Tell us the person who got beat. Tell it to the person. Tell us the person who had a very family member. Do the police violence, but go ahead. That's, don't pin the position as a person not being sympathetic to the law. I'd say not being sympathetic. Yeah. I'm saying, if so, if so.

I'm saying when your, when your child, your son, your daughter's been beaten and killed. I lived in, guess what? I lived in a country called Iran at a time where you couldn't tell people you were Christian and trust me, it's not a place to be. Well, true, well, very big, what's China and US.

Well, trust me. Trust me. Let me, I's not a place to be. Well, very big, well, what's China and US? Well, trust me. Trust me. I interviewed enough mothers and fathers who've had children who've been the victims of police violence who will say, guess what, they didn't live in Iran, but the child is still dead. Right, I agree.

That's a catastrophic on what happened. I saw the video on Tyre, on Tyre Nichols, what happened. I had a hard time watching on what. You know what I haven't heard? And I give that to my mom has my Republican friends this year. The billions that we spend every year on police elements. Do you know who I really hear saying anything? Physical conservatives.

Let me come back. I wonder why. We'll finish it. How about we finish it off with that? That's fine. Let's stay on this topic here. You said judging a great country, right? And you said all those different things.

Okay, great. How do you judge a great restaurant? Well, customer service. Right, and you said all those different things. Okay, great. How do you judge a great restaurant? Well Customer service. Okay cleanliness yeah Quality of food. Yeah, ambiance Some places is the music. Yeah, all depends on what you all depends on what you like What's your favorite food? What do you like? Oh first first of all, my grand prize from Louisiana is gumbo.

Okay, cool. I'm good with that. Okay. So gumbo. So when you see what is the most packed restaurant where you're at right now? Packed restaurant like Friday night is jam packed. It could be the hole in the wall with great food. Yeah, it could be STK, it could be Prime 112. There you go. Hail. I'm from Texas and it's 2 o'clock in the morning. Dammit, it's Waterburger.

There you go. So don't eat, I'm with you. I'm with you. So it ain't no Michelin. Yeah. It's just, I'm totally with you. It's time and place. Time and place.

I'm totally with you. And who the hell is open? I'm with you. So, but a part of it comes down to you. And not in and out. Waterburger. So, well, listen, this is a team in an out here. Just one. I don't want to sell it. Dressing on my day. Have you tried five guys or no? I do not try five guys, but I don't want to sell it. Dressing on my

burger. Dan, water, it's how the mustard is ketchup. I lived in Texas five years. I can't do it. See, that's wrong. But here's a part. I'm glad you left. I can't do it. His ketchup. I lived in Texas five years. I can't do it. See, that's wrong. But here's a part. I'm glad you left. Here's a part. Here's a part. Here's a part. Here's a part.

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Here's a part. Here's a part. Here's a part. Here's a part. Here's a part. Here's a part. Here's a part. Here's a part. Here's a part. Here's a part. Here's a part. Here's a part. So let me go back to the way to judge. I still paint them down. Do I put it taxes? The way to tell me, the way to judge, you're also paying state taxes in Texas, I'm sure you appreciate it.

You're not, you don't pay state taxes in Texas. That's the point. So you like the state taxes, you're paying the taxes. No, I'm just stating, you don't pay state income taxes. Of course I know, you don't pay state. I get that. And that's, I would much rather pay Texas a state income tax with them Virginia.

But you still have a lot of property. So, so nowhere you spill district taxes and school tax. Would you flip it? Would you rather play? Would you rather pay the property or the state tax? It's all based to actually I look at both and it's really based upon. No, I'm trying to tell you the base point where you actually live. Yeah, I'm trying to tell you state.

So you would take 13% state taxes of California. I just pay low real estate night. Nice trick trying to go to California. You mentioned Virginia and Texas. What I'm saying is when I look at both of them, I'm looking at priorities in those places and what you're actually paying. Let's stay on this here.

Okay, so the way to judge a great country to me, one of the best factors is immigration. Okay. America leads it with 41 million. Okay, China's losing. They're not. People are leaving. Russia's losing. One of the best factors is immigration. Okay. America leads it with 41 million. Okay. China's losing. They're not. People are leaving.

Russia's losing. People are leaving. Actually, first of all, China's, first of all, they're not leaving. China's one child policy. 30 years ago, screwed them. No, but they're also leaving. They're both.

But it's their birth. You're right, but they're also leaving. Yeah, but if you were still having kids, you're not worried about who they're leaving, but people are leaving. They had kids. You're right, but people are leaving. They had kids. You're right, but people are leaving. I knew the health, I thought that was a good idea.

But, and guess what? The fact that they can stop you. You can't catch up. Yeah. So here's the other part. So the other part is when you look at policies during COVID, who did it best? What's the best way to gauge it?

You said those things, those items, right? It, again, there is no best way to gauge it because that is going to be subjective. It's what do you think was most important? Do you think vaccines? Do you think keeping businesses open? Do you think testing? What was most important?

Do you think mask updates is all based upon? There's no way to reason with you. There's no way to reason with you. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I just don't I'm just simply not agreeing with you. There are different ways to assess what you think so so so less upon priority. So let me ask you so you watch sports. Yes. What do you like? What do you mean while I like are you going Eagles or chiefs? I don't give a damn by the one. I'm me Stin. So you Houston See I am born and raised in Houston. I don't care who wins. Astros. Astros, I have to say in Houston. Okay, got it. What does Houston mean?

So I got you. Anybody in Houston. Right, so I don't give a damn who wins. So does the score at the end is it subjective? No, there's a score. There's a score. Okay, so is there a way to have a score on what state handled? No, it's not.

Really? No, no, no, there is, But it is still subjective because that will be weighing whatever however you want to apportion. And football is simple. Six points for a touchdown, one point for a PAT, three points for a field goal, two for safety. Okay, that's the deal. Over here, it's subjective.

It's whoever is deciding. I am just curious to know what you're gonna say with this. So the fact that California had its first net loss to population since 1851 and that New York lost 330, is there any of that that's subjective to you? While people leave, people leave for various reasons. First time since 1851 California had a net loss. Okay, and right now we have, here's a whole deal.

I look at what happens. So for instance, when we were talking about, which is the basis of my book, Wide Fear, we talk about nation becoming majority, minority, country by 2043. Why is that? Why folks stop having kids? Okay, why is that?

Why is it average death rate among white Americans higher in 12 states than average birth rate? I, when something happens, I'm going back to you, you're housing a praise, I didn't see the data. You have to ask the end question, why? Why is this happening? Why is the rust built losing population? One of the reasons the rust built losing population,

because we have the great migration of African-American from the south to the north, where were they going? Chicago, they were going to Gary, Indiana, they were going to Detroit, they were going to St. Louis in those places. What has been happening? They have been people who like, you know what, we can move back home, land issues. And so if somebody, when I'm looking at something, I'm then go, okay, why are they leaving? Not just, oh, they're leaving.

I can't assign it to COVID. I can't assign it to just this. I need to know why people are leaving. Have they been surveyed? Can you pull up power versus force? Just pull up power versus force. I just want to show something to you. This book changed my life.

I would recommend, go to images. Go to images if you can. I just want to, this book is a life-changing book. Oprah Winfrey talked about this a long time ago. Go to the one that says the color, the color, the color bottom left. Yeah, that one right there. So it explains different levels that we go through. Shame at the bottom, which is the lowest level of consciousness, then it's guilt, apathy, grief, fear, desire, anger, pride, courage, neutrality, willingness, acceptance, reason, then you got love, joy, peace, enlightenment.

I feel like you can't be wrong at all. And it's mathematically impossible to have a conversation to say, I think this is what we got it wrong. Here's what we could do this year. Why, I don't see a, I don't know if there's an ability to say I can see how we can improve in this area. I can see how we can improve in that area

based on the conversation I'm having with you. But you're on a company. We do this guy say anything in companies. The reality is this here, when I'm looking at a show, folks go like, was that a great show? Oh, I think they'll say this is a great show. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no To me, I'm looking to show a different way. Right. I'm looking at graphics, speed of playing clips. Sure.

I'm looking at that. So I may not say it's a great show. That's why I'm saying it is subjective based upon who is answering that particular question. And so you may have numerous studies or surveys. Just like, I love these surveys when they say the greatest, the cities with the best food. You go, huh? How the hell is that city number three? I've been there. Again, it's subjective. And so that's all I'm saying. When I'm looking at something like your question about COVID, it varies depending upon what you think

was the most important thing. That's all I'm saying. So I'm not saying that city was awful. That's the bad. I just told you the first time California has lost its population since 1851. You said because whites are not having babies. No, no, no, no, no, that's not what I said.

No, that's not what I said. Say again, no. What did you say? No, what did you say? Are you actually actively listening? I am 100% listening. This not what I said Say it again. No, what did you say? No, what did you say? Are you actually actively listening? I am 100% I'm saying what I'm saying is when something happened. Yeah, like losing this extramar people since this my first thing is

Hmm why? You haven't said that you haven't said it Why it's the second question. You got to be deeper than mustard on a hot dog. Okay? Yeah. When it, again, for me, when I see something, I go, why? When I saw, when I remember watching 60 minutes in China's one-child deal, I was kind of like,

I look good right now, but trust me is going to catch up. So a couple of months ago, when I saw they were complaining about the lack of folks working in manufacturing facilities, and I was like, you can, you can trace what's happening with China's population right now to that one child policy, because that's 30 years of kids and never being born. So what I'm saying is, we gotta be deeper than just throw it out there. We try to ask the question, why possible? I've been asking you. It's not true.

Why question? When you threw out crime, I walked through when you, what is, hold on. When I asked you, when I asked you question, when I specifically said, I asked you, why, why, why it's Austin's fault, it's Republicans. I didn't ask you, why? Why? Why? Why? It's Austin's fault. It's Republicans. I didn't ask no. It's the state's fault.

It's this. There was no answer. So, you just didn't like the answer. No, it's not. I don't like the answer. I'm genuinely trying to find out what policies are going to make this better or step out of the way you would have been. And I said, I told you, you asked the question and I say a point blank.

If you're talking about how do you impact African Americans and how do you change? I walk you through four of them. I was very specific. Economics. Education. The academic was your first. Well, obviously systemic because systemic

is actually was driving the macro, okay? So you got to deal with that. You got to. So again, economics, you got to deal with health, education, housing. Those are the fundamental four. During the first reconstruction period after slavery, 10 to 12 years, 1865 to 1877, you had probably the greatest growth, if you will, in terms of African-American community,

but didn't last long because the great compromise of 1877, which then ushered in Jim Crow for 92 years. Then you get your second reconstruction, which was the Black Freedom Movement, some call the Civil Rights Movement, 1955 to 1968. Those were laws being changed in the first one, 13th, 14th, 15th Amendment, and the second, Civil Rights Act,

Voting Rights Act Fair Housing Act. The problem with those two is that economics wasn't one. The Freedman's Bank was created in the Reconstruction period. Guess what? What is now estimated, based upon hearing Lewis skip gauge documentary, $3 billion in black ass assets were essentially wasted or stolen and was never a bank bailout. $3 billion.

What would the black community look like that $3 billion was essentially stolen? What would the black community look like if Tulsa wasn't burned down? If Rosewood wasn't burned down, what would black community look like today if African Americans who own land in the South were not run out of cities and towns, leaving land threatened by the clan with death?

What would that look like? And what I'm laying out to you is that's history. You talk about Iran, okay? We helped overthrow most of the day in 1953. You were pissed off with that crap in 1979. You know what Americans do? So damn, Shane, what happened to our embassy in 1979? Well, we can't act like what happened in 1953 didn't matter.

Because you were 18 and 53. You were middle aged when you were in 1979. What I'm saying is, when I'm looking at the condition, I can't be narrow in looking at it, I have to look at how that was created. And if I did not how it was created, I can't have a real conversation on how to fix it. Yeah, sure.

But I gave you four. Right, so Tyrene Nichols, first time you saw it, what was your reaction? First, you heard the story then when they released the video. What was your reaction? Actually, you heard the story then when they released the video. What was your reaction? Actually, it was not shocked. In fact, they described it as worse than right in the king. And I thought that, but when I saw it, and again,

I had a run of keys on it on my show. I'm not comparing it to, it wasn't as worse as right in the king, but it was still, it was still pathetically awful. Right in the king lived, Tyroneck was die three days later, but right in the king also died early because of the massive trauma he sustained, the head trauma, it had physical,

it feels like Elmer's often rest of his life. So, but the thing I also realized is, why didn't you shock me? Folks like it was black cops. I'm like, oh, y'all thought there was a black white thing? So I always been a blue thing. I always been a blue thing. Because we have to deal with what happens

in police departments. I've talked to too many chiefs who are grossly or greatly frustrated because people think, oh, change the police chief. You know anything in the company. You can be the CEO,, given order. With your middle management, don't force it to happen. And the next level doesn't

happen. We have to convert and all this over got good good apples and bad apples. It's BS. Because what's the fundamental thing that happens in police departments? I ain't going what do they say? Let's get rid of stop snitching. The greatest the

greatest don't snitch is in police departments. Cops won't come forward to calling on the cop out because they're gonna get ostracized. That's a issue. I've long said, if you have body cameras and dash cams, if that cop turns it off or doesn't turn it on, automatic firing.

Why are you turning it off? Why are you not turning it on in Chicago? They were breaking the antennas off of the dash cams So it wouldn't record. Yeah, it's cops are doing that What why did Anita Alvarez and why actually why Laura life? Elected because they held that Laquamac Donald tape for a whole damn year knowing the cops were lying. Knowing. Knowing they were lying.

And when that video was released, we actually saw. So we see too often in this country what cops are lying on police reports. Look at the Thai Renecules police report. Oh, he was sweating profusely. He was abusive. They would see the body cam footage. So what does that tell you when you see case of the case of the case of the case of

the case of Kaos Liner reports, the body cam video showing this here, it was systemic problem. And then the answer isn't just, hey, let's have more training. No, I believe it was the retired LAPD, sorry to share what she said. There's got to be annual, she says every two year, mental evaluations of police officers. There are people, they got a badge and a gun. Man, the power that they have, think about it.

They have the power to literally take your life and go back to work. I believe that you got that kind of power. That comes with great responsibility. And I don't play around with that. And it's just we've got to deal with this here because last year, the most people killed by cops in history was last year. Why? How do we change it? How do we change it? How do we fix it?

How do we change somebody, the white guy who's partially blind coming from jury duty and they walk up to him, I think that was here in Florida, I think. And, like, you got a weapon. You know what? I got my blind stick. And they literally arrest the dude,

he was just coming from jury duty. They're cops that abuse their power. We got to deal with that. And we got to be honest about it. Yeah, I was a victim of police brutality when I was, I wanna say 16 years old, Halloween, you know, hands on the car. And I remember seeing a hands on the car,

mistaken identity, a rookie comes out of the car, kicks my ankle and almost breaks my ankle. I agree with the, the only thing that sucks when you come to this is there's, there are human beings at the end of the day. So when we have, I don't know, let's say, how many cops are in America? I'm just, I'll throw up a fake, let's say five million, right, rolling in that five million. I don't care how much we're gonna do and how much we're gonna train. The human element is still there, it would suck, it just sucks unless we're gonna have robots at some point. Yeah, you have a human element. Yes,. It just sucks unless we're gonna have robots at some point.

You have the human element. Yes. But what we have to do is stop acting like, well, I think it was a Connecticut. That's where I was talking to. That's where I was talking to. It was a black guy little, this is the video. Get on your knees.

He's literally, his hands up, he's going on his knees. Cops, rare back, kicks him in the head, I'm not conscious. I saw that. Go to trial, not guilty. Yep. You're like, well, I'm sorry.

Yeah, those kids. You're just like, yeah, so what happens is, so what happens is, and I can tell you, been in Chicago for six years, when they came in with the Justice Department, cops were like, oh yeah,

yeah, we regularly would call you the end word. Yeah, we wrecked, they admitted, yeah, we would pick up a gang member and we would drop them off in a rival neighborhood just to see what happens. Okay, I know you think it's a game, and what the hell? The whole mystery facility where a lot of lawyers didn't even know that their clients

were being held. You're like, it's what I'm talking about, what I'm talking about China. It's like, what the hell? When Chicago got to pay out 40 million in reparations because John Bird, you know, took Vietnam air attacks and was attaching electrical cords to the testicles of these men to force confessions and they knew it all of these years. These guys were sitting in prison for 10 and 15, 20 years and they knew this force confession. That was a judge in Chicago a couple of years ago, a man was a year ago.

He got so pissed. He had eight cops who were flat out lying. The judge went to the police accountability board and said these cops are flat out lying on the witness stand. The judge was so offended. That's why Kim Fox, that's why Shane Braeboy and Prince George, they literally said these cops will, we will not, they will never take the stand because they are known lies.

Now, so get somebody will say, well, rolling, you know, look, it's not all cops, but you don't want your kid to be on the receiving end of that lion cop. That is what has to change in this country. The problem is folks like, well, you know, but you know, there's just a few, you're like, a few Cleveland's under its second consent decree in 10 years. Dude, what the hell?

And again, that is a, it is a power thing. You know what I like the most? You know what I like the most? Like power thing. What I think, by the way, there is the power thing, out of front of mine, who is a power. You know what I like the most? You know what I like the most? Power thing. By the way, there is the power thing, out of friend of mine who was a cop, who was a sweetest guy.

When he became a cop every year, he got more and more and more and more like, you know, let me tell you who I am and all this stuff. I'm like, you know what? I said, one day, sound God said, listen, you're not the same guy. I said, I don't like the way you talk into your girl. You seem like a little too hardcore right now.

This wasn't you. You were the sweetest guy we had here. And finally he got fired. He literally got fired. But the reason why he got fired was for different reason. It was for steroids, but he got fired. And it's a hell of a product. Not explaining it to you.

Not using it. Not using it. Oh, distributing it. Distributing it. Oh, God. Yeah, yeah. So it didn't work out. Okay, and he got out. And we'd have the conversation. I think the best thing that if you think about accountability wise, the last 10 years, when it comes on to issues like this, no invention

has been more to hold everybody accountable than camera phones. Think about what that's done. The fact that you are able to record and you see the story and the camera on the cops. Well, that's well, we all getting a lot better. I mean, the first police department was it was re all to California. And when they went to body cameras, body cameras, there was a 70 I think it was like a 77% drop in the number of reports filed against cop for police abuse. And it was a drop in the number of reports of the cops claiming folks were attacking them. Yes, because you get the cameras.

Great, I love that. The problem that we still, but here's a deal. But the cameras are not the panacea. They are a tool, but what's not, would you say the phone, but what's not happening in various states, like Arizona? Oh, we're gonna pass laws, you can't record us.

See, now it's like, now it's a or or no, no, you gotta be wondering what they say, they're reasoners. It's always a BS reason, but we know what, what happens is you don't wanna get recorded. And so, look, we talk about the power of phone. I'm flying and flying, I don't know where the hell are flying. I'm going through Chicago.

There's a shoe shot stand, but no person is there. So this guy is sitting like on the, on the, what are they shining the shoe? I got you. Sitting there, sitting in one of the seats. So he's on Face, on the work, where they shot in the shoe, I got you. Right, sitting there, sitting in one of the seats. So he's on FaceTime, I think with his wife or daughter or somebody. So I walk up, I said,

excuse me, I won't take a seat. Fuck you. Excuse me. No, you're not sitting down here. Fuck you. I go, excuse me. I go, I'm sorry. Oh, you talking to?

He stands up, you're not fucking sitting here. I go. Let me get airport police. I said, I'm not going to deal with you today. And so then, okay, and so he goes, I said, let me explain something to you. You're lucky I have all of the grace of Jesus today.

I say, I have pulled my phone out and I could have made Joe as real popular in 30 seconds. Do you know how lucky you are today? But what I said, no, no, no, no, I want you to understand. Now mind you while I'm talking. Hey Roland, love you work. Hey Roland, black guy come, white guy walk,

black, black, hey, so he he now the setting is like I said, do you understand I got four million followers? You almost lost your job today. Oh no, no, I'm so you sit down, I said no, no, no, you need to ask yourself why did you decide to just to c me out? I say, you lucky I didn't pull my two phones out. There's a lot of these places they don't want people recording because they don't want the truth. And that's my problem in the bills. Now, if you want to say, hey, you can't be in three feet. That's fine. Because you're saying, you're, no, that's not what a lot of these folks are trying to do. They don't want this is Arizona They I think it's Arizona is it past yeah, oh it passed and more states are looking at that because they don't want that accountability

And it's increasing and again I've supported body cameras, but I've also said If you're a cop the moment moment you get in that car, click, it's on. Everything's recorded. I don't know if y'all saw the story, what the cops didn't realize, the body cameras were on, and they was stealing money. Oh yeah, I just saw that.

And they went, they went. Oh, shit, yeah, it's already too, it's a wrap, I thought. Well, that's how I think was insane. The female cop, she was busted using the N word, because the body camera's recording. Okay, and again, I just simply say, if you turn it on, it's eight feet of the police. Yeah, that's what it is.

Because at that point, so you can record, they just don't want you to do anything. Yeah, I know what you're supposed. And I agree, because we're all, but those some states were actually talking about blocking people from acting. Which is ridiculous. That's ridiculous.

It's interfering with their official police duty. That to me, I'm saying, that's ridiculous. It's interfering with their official pulls of duty. That to me, I'm saying, that's wrong. Yeah. There has to be a counter-village. I think camera is keeping all of us honest. Yup. And I think. But the problem is, you might have that video.

Yeah. But still, now you got to get to, is a DA going to take you to the grand jury. Because it's a lot of DAs. Don't want tos don't want to piss you know what's changed and then you go to this hey let's say you do go to trial like the Connecticut started yeah there have been examples where you're sitting at home going look I don't know how to hail this guy's gonna get off but a jury it's because in this country we country, we give so much authority to police, so much authority to police that people, the human part, which is

why in a lot of times, the charges will get down great by the jury. Yeah, I'm not, we're not comfortable convincing them on first degree or second degree murder. So let's take it out of manslaughter. And so we still have this thing in America here. Yeah, but that's the cops. You know why I disagree? Let me tell you why.

Jury's have said it. No, no, I understand Jury's said it, but here's the progress. My biggest thing is progress. I think we're making a lot of progress. I think we're making a lot of progress. I think we're making a lot of progress. Hold up. Why?

I'll tell you, I think we're making a lot of progress because it's preventing both sides to make up any stories. Okay. So say the jury says, now we're not gonna do it. No problem, just post it on Facebook. Go hold up. Post it on Facebook, post it on Twitter. It gets millions on top of millions of people.

But it doesn't matter though, if we see the video, again, I'm using a connect example. We see the video, it gets posted. They go to trial, it's not guilty. And you're going, how did y'all see, what were y'all looking at? And so then it becomes, that person was never held accountable.

Then it becomes like to me, or right. That's areas we need to, that's areas. No, but I asked you, you said it's improving, but why? So to ask me the question, why not, you're saying it's not. No, no, no, no, no, I'm not saying that. Why is it improving? I'm saying, I give you my answer. Go ahead, what do you think it is?

Because publicly you can't deny what we saw. When the video came out for Tyree Nichols, that day nobody was a reputable Democrat independent. Because here's a deal. Here's your deal. Examples like that, just flat out. But even the fraternal order police released a statement, which they never do. Here's actually why it's gotten better, because I'm about to drive you crazy.

It's gotten better because- Lightfoot. No, because of activists on the ground that have been demanding accountability. That have been better. No, no, no, no, no, see, no, you said Antifa that have been demanding accountability that have been going to those city council meetings, those state legislatures, no, no, no, no, you said Antifa that had been demanding accountability that had been going to those city council meetings,

those state legislatures, and, and we started throwing out hardcore right wing prosecutors and you begin to have prosecutors, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's why. No, no, no, no, no, I'm trying to tell you. Can you please send those activists to those 27 cities? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no tell you, first of all, first of all, you clearly don't understand about Chicago, but they've been on life with the ads from day one.

What I'm saying is, what I'm saying is, activist, she gets reelected because of politicians. Do, first of all, the polling right now is in fourth place. Activist, so, but just good. Yeah, but trust me. She's good. She's so, she's done.

I know what's happening on the ground in Chicago. You ain't understand that. Here's the activists have played a role in changing public perception. A huge, huge role. And so we cannot, I love people who want to know the role of activism and marketing and protesting, but that's a huge reason why I love to protect this change. Just don't hurt your cities and go into Louis Vuitton stores and anything like that. If you don't do that go for it

Keep doing it. Well, here's what I like about with Tyrene Nichols mom said here's what I like about with Tyrene Nichols mom said She said Protests, but please don't hurt our cities dude. We understand all that. What a great thing. She said duh But how about this how about this here? Don't kill somebody so we don't even get to that. See, I love folk who loves it. Oh my God, don't tear anything down to burn anything down. How about you, don't kill anybody, because here's the one thing here, you can run this.

Here we go. Surprise. I'll surprise you. I don't think you will. I know what you could. Do you know what was the precursor to nearly every ride in the 60s? Tell me.

Police violence. Okay. Nearly every single one. Jim Lee Jackson and Selma killed by cops. When you look at what happened in Detroit, what happened in LA, what happened in Harlem? It's 2020. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

I'm giving you historical, I'm trying to walk you through. What preceded the ride? In nearly every case, it was police violence. Even Dr. Keane, when he went to LA after the Watts riots, he thought, oh, I thought Los Angeles was the land of gold and opportunity. He did not realize how deep the racism was in Los Angeles. What I'm saying is, we should be thankful for the people who took to the streets,

the activists, the folks who rally around black lives matter, the people who the people who organized and protested because the system has to change and the system only changes when the people put pressure on the system. If the activists are listening, please go to those 27 cities and demand change. I'm begging you, please go to those 27 out of 30 cities. Because they also are there. To go to those cities, they need help. No, same, same, same,

activists, contact or friend Roland here at the list of 27 cities. First of all, you realize I've actually talked to them, they are there and they're a Mississippi fighting of the worst pinnacle of the tinseries there as well. Well, they are there. And they're in Mississippi fighting the worst pinnacle of the tintries there as well. Well, Republicans are running it. And Tennessee.

Let me tell you what I like. And Georgia. Let me tell you what I like. And Arkansas. Let me tell you what I like about today. And Tennessee. You know what I like about today? I like the fact that you came.

Period. But let me tell you why I respect them. Because. What I didn't know that was the... Well, on Twitter, this is how it started. The Twitter was, I asked and I said, hey, who would you like to see on the podcast next?

Okay. And then your name was tag, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and then you said any time, any place, and I said book them and then boom. By the way, we don't even do podcasts on Mondays, but he just book,

he says we got it on Monday and you coming out, having this conversation. I was honored by the Trade Fund Martin Foundation last night. I think the audience won today, okay? We're listening to this conversation. And you know what's gonna happen.

What? Yeah, they go say, damn, Roland was right. It was killing us. I'm telling you know, I think they're gonna say, this man's got the biggest ego in media. They go say, you weren't listening. He kept answering your question. Well, I think the people, the people I want to hear from

are the people in the middle who both disagreed with me and with you. The people who agree with everything you say, who agree with you, I'm not entertaining. I'm just letting you know right now. And the people that are on the other side. I'm letting you right now. The mill's gonna disagree.

They're gonna agree with me. I'm gonna let you know right now. The who is? The middle. And the right. I'm letting you know right now. The middle's gonna agree with you. I'm trying to let you, I'm trying to let you down right now. The who is? The middle. And the right. I'm gonna let you know right now. The middle is gonna agree with you. I'm trying to let you down right now,

because it's gonna be rough for you. You think so? Damn, what? What more could I have done? I don't know if I agree with you. I guarantee you. But you know what the fact that I know you needed more than I do, because my confidence is okay.

No, no, no, I don't need it. No, I don't need it. You're right, because he's a deal. You are right, he's a deal. You are right. He's what you're gonna stay in. You're amazing. You're the greatest. He's a damn. I didn right. He's what you understand. You're amazing.

You're the greatest. He's the thing. I didn't even pull y'all up. No, no, no, seriously. When my publicist, she like, oh, here the top is, I don't need the topics. I'm like, I don't care what. You understand? When I was at CNN, Bill Bennett, it was supposed to be James Carvelling me, and Bill

Bennett goes, I'm not going on. It's two against one. I was like, Bill, you're a punk. I said, Bill, if it's five against one, I said, I feel sorry for y'all five. I said, why are you scared? So for me, I had a rough showing today. So for me, who's a rough showing for you today?

Oh, not at all. Oh, it was a rough show. Oh, not at all. You've done better than today. Not at all. You've done much better than today. Not at all. I know you don't want to hear it

because you've been like this and stood great. Well, you had a rough day today. No, no, I didn't. You've done much better than two. Not at all. I know you don't want to hear it because you've been like this and snored great. Well, you had a rough day today. No, no, I didn't. You did. You did. Okay. Because guess what? We steal world champs, but they did cheat.

Okay. Come on. It was to be honest. They cheated and they all got in trouble and nothing really happened to any of them. And what? And do Yankees have a little sit to them that they fought not to be released? In fact, didn't wheel clock say hell of you ain't cheating you ain't playing. I don't agree with any of that.

But guess what, who up to the ass this year? I don't wanna talk about that. Hey, once a cheater, always a cheater. Bro, great, great. Just great. We got that broken stadium, y'all got here, my heart. Greatest rocket of all time. Greatest rocket of all time.

All time. Oh, easy. I keep a large one. Okay, cut. I was saying we agree with that. Second is Moses Malone. Oh, wow. third is Calvin Murphy all three in the Hall of Fame interesting fourth fourth is some will say James hearten I would I would I wouldn't be a we put say head of them. I mean, I don't know if you can't

Drexler at the end you probably put hard in the head of all now you can't put Drexler Drexler played most of his career in Portland. That's really played down. No, I will put, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, for the Rockets. I wrote it. I wrote it. Greatest defender. Greatest defender. Rockets. Greatest defender for the Rockets. Oh, it's a large one. A large one is the only center in the top 10 and Stegos all the time. It top didn't mean one time getting quadruple double. And yes, and tops and block shots. Oh no, he is Michael Jordan.

Michael Jordan has talked about his defense. His defense. Dude, heodduple doubles ridiculous. No, lies you on. In terms of just pure defense. So, do we have a book, Roland, if you don't mind sharing with us your book, White Fear. How the Browning of America's making White folks

lose their minds, like this conversation, losing their minds. Because I could write to the chase, unpacking all of this stuff that's going on right now and this fear. Oh my god, you know again The not the utter nonsense of a critical race theory and this this silly stuff We just sent us in woke now what it is is a folks I mean they don't want to accept that America is changing and you can't do anything about it Guess what 2043 is coming you You stop having kids. It ain't my fault.

But the bottom line is, we're seeing it play out in policy decisions. And what we've always, it was always, oh, economic anxiety. No, no, you have to call it what it is. And that's not a conservative thing. I didn't say, GOP white fear. I said white fear.

It's real and it's playing out in our policies because remember January 6th, while I was Trump pissed off, he's really, he kept calling out four cities. Lana, Milwaukee, Philly, Detroit. What those four cities got in common? Black people. Only place in Wisconsin had a partial recount, Milwaukee.

His official in the in the Michigan said, let's count all of us in Michigan except Detroit. Oh, it's real. And when people, folks have been reading, they go, damn, I didn't actually connect those dots. It's happening. We have to have a conversation again about understanding power, the power dynamics.

Who did you live in 2001 in 2004? Who did you live in? Who did you live in you have no you have like you live have no idea remember 2016 Who did everybody say we're gonna likely be the the top two candidates? Minnesota governor Tim Palenti and Wisconsin governor Scott Walker who the first to the dropped out both Yeah, Scott Walker. Yeah, like literally that's the one thing that look 2000 2000 In 20 who at the two highest rated town halls with MSNBC and CN, Conor Harris, what happens? So again, when you run,

Elizabeth Warren runs a 20 and 20, she should have ran in 2016. I think Elizabeth Warren ran in 2016, she beat Hillary Clinton in the primaries. Oh wow. Flat out, she missed her moment. Ted Kennedy, Tolo Balma in 2007, there's no guarantee that you, she missed her moment. Ted Kennedy told Obama in 2007, there's no guarantee

that you're gonna be hot later. You run at your hottest. And that's what he did. Kennedy realized it. He realized how he screwed it. But that's how it deals. So you just can't have the Santa's, you can't look at the Santa's,

has to run cause he's hot. But he has to deal though. He runs, you're gonna get somebody who doesn't care. He has no bottom. People say we reached the bottom, Trump has no bottom. He's literally, I don't think they're, they're not, if you thought how he treated Christian the rest of his castle 16, no, he has no bottom.

He will obliterate the party. And the problem is his core supporters, they're all with him. I think he would do a third party challenge if it doesn't win the nomination. That ego is that unbelievably crazy because for him, I got to destroy you. Of course. He's thinking party. You're not like that at all.

They got to absolutely, they got to, you got a little bit of Trump in you. You got a little bit of Trump in you. First of all, it's kind of like he wrote. First of all, if I had hell, no. When I sat there in a white house, tell me you don't like read harder to deal like five, six times a year.

Because he didn't write it. He didn't write it. He didn't write it. And we now we know he damn sure lied about the value of all his damn properties. But even in the way how he met with TV and because I was sitting here going, this is an idiot. He's sitting with a lot of damn power. And you admire him this much. Are you out of your mind? Look, first, first, okay, this is a true story.

He walks in. You know, normally the president walks in and everybody stands up. Everybody moves this way. I was like that seeing out of the symptoms. Like I went. So I backed up and I was sitting in, I'm like, he got to come this way anyway. I'm like, I'm not walking to him.

So he shaking hands. I'm like, I can't call this some of the bitch Mr. President. Then I went, hell, I can't call a Mr. So now I'm standing in like, what the hell am I gonna call this dude? No, he was, that's crazy.

No, the man has no character. That's crazy. No, no, no, no. I told you point blank, when you show who you are, I don't want evil around me. And when he walked up to me, I went, hi. Do you think he's evil? Oh hell yes.

Wow. That man he's evil? Oh hell yes. Wow. That man is absolutely evil. Interesting. When you will, the people who you work with, how you will destroy them, how you will treat them, that man is pure trash. But the people who care about the power,

oh first of all, you look at Christy. I'm like, dude, you kissed his ass so much and he's still talked about your weight, blue you off. I mean, just dismissed you and they kept coming up from more beating or be who do you think is who do you think if you had to, if you had to roll in right now, pick who would be the number one Democratic person, because I don't know, I don't believe in the Biden. I don't think is there openly trying to just destroy him right now with all these like who would you say would be though The number two guy then you can't you can't he's again if you had to if you had to guess you

I'm gonna say what I've said in the previous elections the reason you can't even just throw it out there so many things change Who is the most if I would say, the most effective communicator is Buttigieg. What's gonna happen? You a small town mayor, dude. It's gonna be held against you, okay? Like and not, him being gay,

it's gonna be held against them by some people. It's a fact, all right? So then you go, well, you got Gretchen Whitmer, who's a governor of Michigan, who, right, was that close to picking as his VP, all right? And so you got other people out there, but the problem is, and this is the thing about where you run, you can look great on paper. You can have all the right, it's like hiring a candidate. Oh my God, it's hire this person, and they're getting a building, you're like, who the hell is this person? Like, what happened to the person we interviewed?

So Fred Thompson, remember who he ran? Oh my God, it's Reagan again. The voice, they were the, he was the worst campaigner ever. Dude, it's an Iowa one to watch the Tennessee football game and he didn't want to go shake hands. It was awful. Campaigns expose

Everything about you and again, you're great on paper. So Obamacate Obamacate everybody forgets everybody forgets Obama was down 20 points to Hillary in October of 2007 It about forgets that he could he was not breaking through until she screw up the question about the driver's licenses for Louis immigrants at the debate in Iowa. That's what cracked the door open. Trump, he's not gonna win.

Biden, no way in the hell Joe's gonna win. So think about it. Conventional wisdom means nothing because the voters at a certain period of time see things totally different and conventional wisdom simply cannot predict any of that. So who looks great right now? Gets grinded in that system and so you get as you got go through 23 But I think absolutely barring anything health wise

Biden's running He's the president. he controls the apparatus. And if you try to run against him, you're gonna get screwed because, Bob Mone is, the apparatus gonna say, what the hell are you doing? You gotta raise money, you gotta have votes, and that's just not gonna happen.

I just, again, barring anything health wise, he's gonna be the nominee. And all people talking about all the, how am I gonna be the vice president? Yes, you wise, he's gonna be the nominee. And all people talk about all the, comes like I'm gonna be the vice president. Yes, she will. It's gonna be Biden Harris. Again, boring anything, health.

Got you. It's Biden Harris. They got to live with it. Yeah, he's gonna be 82, but the bottom line is, hey, that's what happened to you, let's about who 78. We're gonna say anything about Newsom. Yeah, you know, Gavin?

Gavin. Okay, why did not say Gavin Newsom? Gavin Newsom. Yeah, no Gavin. Gavin? Okay. Why did not say Gavin Newsom? Gavin Newsom is not going to run. It will be political suicide. Suicide. Why would you say that? I'm just curious.

Because he can't win. But assume, assume Biden does have a health issue or maybe something else. Then it's White Ophan. Then it's White Ophan. So then Newsom has a issue. No, no, no. If Biden has a health issue, right something that is why I don't that is why I don't so then Newsom has a shenanop if Biden has a health issue right that's what I'm asking the race is wide open will vice president common hairs run absolutely this is if Biden has a health issue and he

announces I'm not seeking re-election the democratic race is wide open. There is no, we'll knew some jumping. Yes, we'll boot a judge jumping. Yes, we'll vice president Harris jumping. Yes, we'll whip more likely jumping. Yes, potentially Shapiro, the government of Pennsylvania. Yes, I think Westmore and Shapiro, I probably be in there, we two young, they'll be barely into their governorship. But no, folks are going to run. But he clears the debt right now. But health wise, it's wide open. Got you.

Great having you all, brother. This was great. Appreciate you. If you want to get his book, Robert, let's make sure we put in the chat as well as in our description. So people can get it. White fear, how the browning of America's making white folks.

Lose their minds. Who's there? Mine. America's making white folks lose their minds. That's what they're mine. That's what I have photos from James. I'm 26. There you go. Got cut to the chase. Yes. We'll put the link below.

We'll go order it. Rollin' once again. Thanks for coming. Also on Allable. On Allable as well. By the way, put the link to his podcast as well for people that can find his podcast too. For those who can't read. We have an allable version for you.

You're so sweet for doing that. Take care everybody. Bye bye. Bye bye bye bye bye