PBD Podcast - Rudy Giuliani SLAMS Trump's Indictment | Ep. 255 | Part 1

Episode Date: April 8, 2023

In this episode, Patrick Bet-David and Rudy Giuliani will discuss: Trump's indictment Who is the best candidate, Trump or DeSantis FaceTime or Ask Patrick any questions on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://minnect.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Want to get clear on your next 5 business moves? ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://valuetainment.com/academy/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join the channel to get exclusive access to perks:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3Q9rSQL⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Download the podcasts on all your favorite platforms⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3sFAW4N⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Text: PODCAST to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠310.340.1132⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to get added to the distribution list --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

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How you feeling? All right. By the way, what is show we're going to have tonight? Talk about timing with what happened this week. And we got our guests here tonight to talk about what what what went on in what is it like uh... forty miles away from here something happened in new york the indictment we got to special guest here with us one of them

uh... has got billions of use online everybody loves this guy he went from being an intern for john steward comedian intern john steward and all of a sudden, to Ruben Report, okay, millions of subscribers, and then I think he holds a record if I'm not mistaken. You know usually when you move to Florida, it takes about 10 years for you to be called a Florida man. He loves Florida so much he was able to do it

in less than 12 months, give it up to the one and only Dave Rubin. Yeah! Yeah! Hello! Hello! Do you wear jeans when you're here? I love it. I'm so comfortable with men. So, it's good to be here. I love you, I love you. I love you. I love you.

I love you. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And then this next one, we got some from New York. Anybody from New York here? Yes or no? How many lived in New York? You were glad when this man cleaned up the streets in New York, yes or no.

How many would like to see the same kind of cleaning up happened a little bit and maybe a city like San Francisco, which we heard what happened, the tragic event that happened a day ago in San Francisco. Maybe in Chicago, which Chicago's leading in a lot of many different things, not any good stats they want to be leading in, or New York, or some of the places that's going on

This man is called the Americans mayors Mayor he has a lot of experience. I don't think we were talking earlier at the house I don't think there are a lot of people that have enough experience as much experience as him To talk about the events that's taking place right now with the indictment. And before, there's a quick shout out to Andrew Tate, before there was a top G, the FBI used to give an award, and there used to call it the G-man honor, okay? Which he got in 2015, a year before he decided to support this man, what's his name?

His name is Donald, I think is what his name is, right? Donald J. Trump, president, Donald J. Trump. So the original top G, Mayor Giuliani, give it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Let's get this here. Let's get the show started. Oh my God. We got so many different topics. Folks, if you're watching us from Around the world. Welcome to the pod. We wish you were here with us in about a couple hours When we're done with the live on YouTube We're gonna do some Q&A here questions. You'll get a chance to ask the mayor and Dave a couple questions and afterwards We'll go to the cigar lounge in a back. we'll do some pictures, we'll have some conversations, rumor has it, this man here, not rumor has it, he is a big fan of cigar, so we're going to see what's going to happen with that, but

we got a lot of things going on, Dave, some will say you're more part of the governor's camp or you're more supportive of governor Ronda Santos, which is great and you've spent more time with him, you've interviewed him multiple times, you've done a lot of different events with him, he's a big supporter of you, you're a big supporter of Santos, which is great. And you've spent more time with him. You've interviewed him multiple times. You've done a lot of different events with him. He's a big supporter of you. You're a big supporter of him, which is fantastic. And Mayor, you've spent more time, I want to say, with President Donald J. Trump.

So it's going to be good to get different perspectives from both of you guys. And then I'm going to you guys love Adam and BizDoc in here as well to see what perspective it is. So let's get right into it. So, open-ended question. When we're hearing the stories right now with some people saying what happened this week in New York, you know, some people from the Magick crowd are saying this is the, they're

using the justice system to weaponize and go against the candidate to eliminate them. That's some people that are part of the Maggi Camp that are saying this. Some on the Republican side are saying this is a full-blown distraction because they want to make sure that President Trump beats out the Santas because he's going to win in the primaries, but they don't think he can win in the general election, going up against Biden or whoever else may be, and then there's people on the left that are saying no. This man is a criminal. election going up against Biden or whoever else may be,

and then there's people on the left that are saying, no, this man is a criminal. This is the right thing to do. We have to go after him. Mayor Giuliani, what do you have to say about that? Well, I don't know that we can figure out all of the motivations of a group of people that starting in about 2015, 2016,

decided they were going to destroy Donald Trump. So this is like chapter six of seven in the same book, which is let's frame Donald Trump. Let's get rid of them anyway we can. It began with Russian collusion. Remember that? That was like three or four years. So we've concluded Russian collusion about as clearly as we can. And it's real simple.

He was telling the truth and they were lying. Not only were they lying, they spent well over a million dollars to frame him, which means to try to put him in jail for something he didn't do. He had, I was involved in his 2016 campaign as much as anyone, I was with him almost night and day for about five months. I knew from the beginning that the Russian collusion charge was completely fictitious. I didn't know the rest of it that Hillary paid for it,

that it was made up in the Ukraine, the guy who wrote the steel dossier hadn't been in the Soviet Union for 17 years. I mean, it was a ridiculous thing, but just think about it. All these people were involved in framing him to stop him. When that didn't work, they tried to execute a coup, right? Get him out of office.

And then we had the phony Ukraine story. And then we had the suppression of the hard drive. I was the one who got the hard drive from John Mack Isaacs, last person. The only person who would take it, he offered it to two or three Republican senators, to the FBI, the FBI barried it for a year and a half. Then we went through January.

The January 6th insurrection, the only insurrection ever attempted without a single firearm, without any plans to take over the government, without any plans beforehand to do it, but they still call it an insurrection. And nobody prosecuted for insurrection. Nobody even charged with insurrection, and they spent about $70 million on the investigation, and they're imprisoning people endlessly for basic trespass at worst. They're probably more FBI agents involved than mega people inside the Capitol.

If you ever get a chance to see the 40,000 hours of tape that they are suppressing. So this is just another attempt to destroy him, with completely phony allegations. I don't know how well calculated it is, whether they want him to be the candidate, they don't want him to be. They want to destroy him. Anyway, if they can destroy him now, they'll destroy him now.

If they can keep him out of the, I really don't think they particularly want him in the election for this reason. No matter how they calculated, there's only one way he can become president. He's got to get the Republican nomination. So if you can deprive him of the Republican nomination, you can stop him from being president. They got to be smart enough to know you can't calculate who

you can beat and who you can't beat. So if they help him to get nominated, their worst nightmare could occur. The only way they can prevent their worst nightmare is to stop it, which is what they really want to do. Any Democrat that actually thinks, well, I want to nominate him is a fool. Now, how many times, I mean, Jimmy Carter

wanted to run against Ronald Reagan, and Ronald Reagan beat him in a landslide. And Hillary wanted to run against Donald Trump. We know what happened, right? So I don't buy that one. I do buy the fact that they want to stop him whenever and however they can. So you don't think it's that strategic to want to eliminate

the Santas as a candidate because on some polls, it shows better when the Santas goes against Biden that he can beat him but Trump against Biden, can that's what a lot of our polls are saying I don't think right maybe maybe it'll maybe eventually will be that as we get closer to the election it's too early to know who can be who well no we brought she here to tell us the we want to know now we don't want to wait Dave what do you have to say about this well first off I'm regretting the amount of tequila I drank backstage. I didn't

realize there were actually going to be people here, so this changes everything. I'm not my tequila now. Yeah. Well, you know, look, on the part, are they trying to get Trump and is this all about the election? The answer, obviously, is yes. I should also say that I like Trump. I've interviewed Trump. I voted for Trump. I was living in LA when I voted for Trump, which cost me friends and community and that whole thing. I think he was by far the best president of my lifetime.

And I would gladly vote for him again in certain circumstances. So there's no air between us, I would say, on how outrageous this situation is. And obviously, if the guy wasn't running for president right now, they would never, never be doing this. It's all about 24. It has nothing to do with 34 Trump-dupped charges

that are out of the statuial limitations that really are nonsensical things for the most part that now stormy Daniels owes him money on it and a whole bunch more. How does the prostitute end up owing you money is kind of funny. Wow. Okay. You must be really good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You were so good. Let me put you for it. We might have a him that he'll love that.

And, and you read that line, Rudy. Trump would love that. And did you see in Trump's statement today, you know, he sends out these statements every day, he's sitting at Mar-a-Lago typing all day, he sends out this statement about Stormy Daniels. You know, she owes me 120 grand and he goes horse face Stormy Daniels. It's like, dude, you hired her. You know, go, allegedly Dave.

Allegedly. Allegedly. Something, yeah, yeah. And now he's doing a bad yelp review. But all of that, all of that being said, in terms of the real direction of the country. And yeah, I've been in Florida for 15 months. I'm a refugee from Los Angeles, from California. You know, I campaigned with Larry Elder

to get rid of Gavin Newsom, who I think is in Florida today. Do you smell him? It's, you can, that stench, you can get it from Sarasota right now. It's on the West Coast. Yeah, that's right. That's right. Tell us. I got audited by the state three days after the election.

So these are bad people that were fighting. They really are. In terms of DeSantis and everything else, look what he has done to this state. I mean, he has turned Florida into the freest... Like, Pat, there's a reason you're here. There's a reason that every single one of your employees has huge smiles on their faces. The checks don't bounce and they live here in Florida. Like, it's all happening here.

This is, it truly, it can't be overstated. Florida is the freest place in the entire world. And it is because, it's partly because of Trump and setting up a lot of this stuff. And Florida has had, you know, an interesting population over the years, but it's because DeSantis fought the machine better than anyone over these last couple of years.

And beyond that, I also think we just, we need a shift. We need, it's not about age exactly, but we're done, I think, being governed by 80-year-olds. We need a generational shift. I think we need some genetics people. They just, there's people that are closer at age in this room. We've got a little respect.

Yes, and they should. Seriously got to have a little respect. Yes, and they should. Seriously, they shouldn't be president. No offense, my friend. I'm just saying. I think we just, we need a shift. We need a shift of attitude. We need a shift of competency.

I think the things that we need right now are competency, the ability to communicate that and a clear vision. And personally, I think DeSantis is the best guy. The great thing about today is, you know, you can choose to identify as whatever you want, mayor can identify as a 42 year old. You can do that nowadays, so for the next two hours. Which are the 47 genders, do I have trouble?

You know, like, what's the 32nd gender? Or the 38th? I was on an airplane of Dylan MoVaimi. I was once with a lawyer who represents one of the big transgender groups. He just said next to me. And he recognized, and I said, explain it to me. Two hours later, I was ready to jump out of the plane. I mean, the things I can't even remember.

He was describing all these, we got down to about 22 genders. I think, you know, like, you become some kind of animal, or, I mean, it's completely insane. It's completely insane. Maybe he did have more tequila than me. Yeah, I'm not sure. William, Rudy, are you willing to say publicly that there's only two genders men and women

i don't know what a woman i can't define a woman i want to be honest with him for ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah asked him that question. So it's starting to make a lot of wisdom to not around counts. But anyways, let's go back to this. Let's go back to this.

Let's go back to this. So, strategy wise, okay, Trump, the Santas. So for you, your thinking there's a part of this that there is weaponizing of the justice system against the former president. I'm not interested in that. Perfect. And that's been a while.

That goes back to when they fixed a Hillary Clinton case. Then I have a question for you because I think you're partially responsible. And so here's where I'm going with this. And let's see what direction you're going to take this. So we pulled up five historical facts about weaponization federal government. Of course, we can go back to McCarthyism where the you know, communism, they're going against that 40s, 50s. We've all know about that one. Then you have the coin, coin tell Pro from 1956 to 71, the FBI ran a covert operation known as Cointel Pro, which aimed to disrupt and discredit various political groups,

including civil rights activists. And this is the Malcolm X, this is the Martin Luther King. Then you have the war on drugs, 80s and 90s. They launched this that led to a sharp increase in the number of people incarcerated for drug offenses. Then we have the Patriot Act and prior to that you know We have the Rico which you know the gentleman Blakey who was a I think Notre Dame professor 1970 he came up with that and then you guys kind of found a way on how to go after the mob and then boom

You took down pretty much clean up the streets of New York with the mob everybody was trying to figure out a way to do it You were the only one that ended up being successful down pretty much cleaned up the streets of New York with the mob. Everybody was trying to figure out a way to do it. You were the only one that ended up being successful. You got the Patriot Act in 2001, which the government passed this, which explained the government's ability to surveil and investigate suspected terrorists. Critics argued that the laws has been used to infringe on the civil liberties of innocent Americans that it has been used to target individuals and organizations based on their political views rather than their actual links to terrorism and then you have the Mueller investigation which happened 2017.

So partially when you're doing this at the beginning, I'm assuming this is purely speculating. I'm assuming you're like, hey guys, we got to take down the mob and clean up the streets of New York. We got to do it. No problem. Fantastic. How are we going to do it? This guy comes in from Notre Dame. Let me tell you this is one thing that we came up with

the racketeering, the Rico Accom, all this other stuff. Let's do it. Then the government said, wow, what a great weapon to use against the people. And then that got stronger and more creative. And then some evil leaders got their hands on us saying, we can silence people. How awesome was this?

So even though originally it was used to take the bad people out, now it's being used to hurt good and innocent people. How, going back, would you say partially the RICO, some of these things you guys, that do you regret any of it making it as strong as it it ended up being that we're experiencing what we're experiencing today

first of all i don't know if all all of them are related the same thing uh... the difference between then and now is every one of those uh... began as a legitimate uh... issue involving our national security or safety they they weren't, nobody passed a patriotic act to go after innocent people. I mean, this, what's going on right now was designed for one purpose and one purpose alone for the ruling party to take out the opposition party. It had no legitimate purpose at all. The weaponization of the Justice Department

was not to go after Mafia guys, terrorists, people who kill you. The weaponization of the Justice Department was not to go after mafia guys, terrorists, people who kill you. The weaponization of the Justice Department was to destroy a really any opposition to the regime. Secondly, any law can be misused. can be misused. I mean, you can misuse a minor misdemeanor and weaponize it for filing false entries in your books. So you're always subject to that. You subject the laws are there. It's like saying the Soviet Union had a constitution. Red China has a constitution with more rights than our bill of rights, considerably more. But it doesn't mean anything. So I don't know that the government, even being excessive in pursuing bad guys,

and maybe even being a little bit overzealous in doing that, I don't think that leads to what is now typical of a totalitarian regime, which is the ruling party using the criminal process to go after the opposition party. I think that's a totally different thing. And I think it developed in a different way. I think it developed because of the long-term influence of the communist party on the Democratic Party. And I think they've basically taken over.

I think this is a well-thought-out plot that goes back at least 20 or 30 years to destroy our government. And I think that's why Soros is funding it. Why does Soros pay for 40 or 50 DAs all over the country to basically destroy these cities? Because Soros wants our government to fall. He wants a one-world government. He probably wants to run the one-world government, or at least be the head of the Department of the Treasury, so he can steal from it.

And so, no, I don't regret the RICO statute. I think the RICO statute would be excellent to use, for example, against a Biden-Crimed family. It would be, by exactly, the whole idea of the Racketeering Act is, you just can't put them in jail, you've got to take their property away. Because if you just keep putting the mafia in jail, some of the mafia guy comes along

and takes over the $5 billion enterprise, it becomes $6 billion. And it was a recognition by Professor Blakey, who I knew very, very well, that the only way we're going to crush the mafia is to take their empire away. For example, one of the cases that isn't mentioned that I did was I took the team's disunion away from the mob, which meant taking Osvegas away from the mob, because they controlled Osvegas

to the Central States pension fund of the team's disunion. You thought it was a central state's pension fund money. It was the mafia money that was being laundered for 30 years. So no, I don't regret it. What I do regret is the wrong people getting in government and then being able to use any of these laws. But we can't. But we know the wrong people are eventually

going to be in power, right? So you certain policies could work for good people because a good person may not abuse the power that they have, but you have to be thinking about policies to create that an evil guy doesn't come and say, I'm gonna abuse my power. So, you know, I understand what you're saying. It was built for the good guy to, you know,

find and catch the bad guy, but what if the bad guy is now the leader that's going after the good guy? So what could we have done differently? The only reason I'm asking this question is because we got not this FedNow app coming out, we got CBDC coming out, we got this restrict act coming out that they're saying, oh, we're going to take down TikTok and Charlie Kirk made a very good point the other day, the fact that they're using this to say they want to silence Dave Rubin, they were sorry, we don't like the message you got, we got to go

after him. So only thing I'm asking is, I'm not a lawyer. I didn't work in the New York You know this strict as an attorney you've been around the block for the next people the next Giuliani the next guy that's gonna have that kind of a power when they're writing these acts up Should they do it or don't even do it? Don't even go there But if they do do it what, how do you write it to make sure Bad Guy cannot weaponize it? Bad Guy can weaponize anything. They can weaponize the simplest law or a complex law.

And you can't deprive yourself of laws that are going to protect you against murderers, rapists, terrors, you can't pass a law that can't be misused by a bad guy, if a bad guy gets into power. It is not a question of the laws that we passed. It's the question of the people that we voted for, like the people of Chicago, they've got to be something wrong with them, voting for the person. They voted for Laurie Lightfoot. What would you get? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no because even if we didn't have these laws, and most of these laws weren't even used by the Democrats

in weaponizing the Justice Department, they're much simpler laws that they used, or they make things up. The indictment of Trump is a non-existent indictment. It's no avoid. It doesn't charge a crime. It charges a crime without explaining the crime, which would lead to the dismissal

of any other indictment. The judge should have thrown it out as no one void. I don't know why his lawyers didn't get up and refused to plead to it. If I represented him, he never would have pledged to that indictment. I would have said, this is not an indictment. It says here, this was in pursuance of a crime.

What would you like me to do? Guess which one of the 1,000 New York crimes it is? Would you give me a hint of least? What am I pleading to? If you're reading the indictment, you don't know what you're pleading to. He's pleading, if you put guilty, you wouldn't know what you're pleading guilty to.

So what do we get? We can't do away with indictments, but we gotta do is do away with corrupt district attorneys like Alvin Bragg. That's the problem. Dave, what do you think? Well, let me add something to slightly defend the mayor from the time that he was in office and beforehand when he was dealing with them, I feel, and all of this stuff when these

laws were put into place. We used to have Democrats and Republicans that disagreed on certain issues, meaning taxation, certain things related to crime, certain things related to abortion, et cetera, et cetera. But there wasn't one party that in essence was solely existing to pretty much destroy America as we know it and become completely lawless and not know the difference between boys and girls and want neo-racism taught in the schools and not believe that jailing criminals is correct, et cetera, et cetera.

We now have one party like that. So I think what's happening now, you got a guy like Alvin Bragg, who we were discussing at a dinner. The guy does not charge you with a crime if you jumped the turn style in New York City. So think what you're doing. You're doing two things when you do that.

First off, you're incentivizing people for bad behavior, right? You're telling them, go ahead and jump the turn style, do whatever you want. And you're also telling the law abiding person in New York City, you're a sucker, man. You're paying your 250 or 275, whatever it is on the subway now, while these kids are just jumping over. They will not prosecute for prostitution. The craziest one that they will not prosecute for is avoiding rest. So you are allowed to literally fight the cop as he's trying to arrest you, and you will not be penalized for that. So I think what's happened here, there's a little asymmetry.

Most of us, especially if you live in a free state, a law in order to stay like Florida, where by the way, we are now getting all of the good cops. You know that there were thousands and thousands of incredible members of the New York Police Department who are now moving down here. DeSantis is giving them bonuses and we're becoming stronger and they're becoming weaker. The difference is that when you have one side that is completely unhinged related to law and reality, there is no law that you can set up that will not be abused. So I'm going to still push back. Yeah. If you're okay with that guy.

And I want both of you guys to try to rip apart my argument and I'm very comfortable with that. Okay. So you have kids, you have a family, you're doing a state planning, you're doing living trust, okay. And you would like to pass down your wealth to your kids, but you would like them to manage the wealth in a responsible way so can go to your kids, but you would like them to manage the wealth in a responsible way so you can go to your grandkids and great-grandkids and stay within the family.

So when you study generational wealth and you go to a rots child, you go to Rockefeller, you go to Vanderbilt, you go to Medici family, all of these guys, you will see Vanderbilt were so flip and wealthy, but his living trust sucked. I think he had like 11 kids within one generation or two, boom, all the money was gone. Medici's kept it in the family, I think seven generations. Rockefellers kept it in the family, three generations. I believe, I believe, the way we create the laws.

We can say, let's not vote bad people in here, but okay, can you be a great parent and have one of your kids that meets a teacher at UC Berkeley and flips them and all of a sudden they become a person that cannot agree with anything you're saying or your evil parent and all this other stuff and if you give that guy the money he's going to go give the money to us. So all I'm saying is we can't control evil people, we can't control people that get influence to do dumb things okay we cannot control. Even great parents get our bad kids. All I'm saying is, it's easy for us to put it all on Alvin Braggs, but he was able to do this because certain things in a past,

you can go and say, well, in this case, here's what it is. So guess what? The way they took this guy down, let's just go and target Donald Trump. The way they took this guy down, all I'm saying is, while we're going through a big decision right now with this restraint act, you're not going to be with this restrict that you're not gonna be affected by it You and I will be affected by it

But our kids will be affected by it because they're gonna be the ones that's gonna be using social media A lot longer than we are so we can sit here and be like well It's not really at we just got to make sure we vote to write people in if it's all about just voting the right people in Why are so many immigrants in America? They escaped that I think there's a part of it all I'm asking is mayor from you and I want to transition to another topic what can we learn from the way we wrote these things up to not do it do it again well maybe I didn't make it I didn't point out the other part of it I'm not saying there aren't very bad laws and that was a past that in

fringe human rights civil rights are too intrusive, are unwise, can actually be more easily abused, that all happens. And we shouldn't do that now or before or later. I just don't think there's the connection between that and what you're saying. I don't think Alvin Bragg exists, because let's say you believe that the Patriot Act was overzealous and true to too much into privacy, and it might very well, I might agree with

you on some of that. I don't think that's the reason we are where we are today. I think independently we should fix it, and that's another problem that we have. And I think the Restrict Act, I think it would be a very bad law, and it would be a particularly bad law because our government has become more corrupt. So it would be in the hands of corrupt people, but it shouldn't even be in the hands of honest people. And I think the way we, like I think the inheritance tax is inherently inequitable, unfair, anti-capitalism,

anti-insensives to develop wealth, anti-human nature. One of the reasons you work hard is for your family. And then that's the contribution everyone, because you're working hard. Your main objective is your family, but you're helping society in doing that. And knowing that your wealth is going to get cut and have for more, that's going to change that.

And then people are also going to look for ways to break the law. These intrusive laws lead to a lot of, like, if you have taxes that are too high, people find ways to avoid it, and then people find ways to evade it. So I think Patrick, I think there are two different problems that you're talking about. And I think the problem, I think this problem emerges from our politics or morality or lack there of. And I do think, and I know it sounds like it, this is a conspiracy theory that I'm asserting, but I am. It is a conspiracy.

I think that China has a lot to do with it. I think China has corrupted many of these people who are involved in these unbelievably illegal applications of the law. If Biden isn't corrupted by China, it would be totally ridiculous. The guy got $31 million plus in the last six years from China. And he's taken actions for China that only could be taken by somebody that seems to favor China over the United States. He gives up an air base for 100 miles from China.

That's insane. In an era in which we may be in a war involving missiles and airplanes, being for 100 miles from China is an unbelievable strategic advantage given away by our President for nothing in return. Ah, is it a coincidence that the man who did it, family got $31 million from China in the last six years? No, it's not a coincidence. You have to be ridiculous to think it's a coincidence.

He refuses to pursue China and they have to cause a COVID. He refuses to, he told us that China really is a friend, ultimately a friend. He's never said a harsh word about China. And they're eating, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're gaining an advantage over us. If they're not already having an advantage, if they're going to take them to what, to their goal of being the dominant nation on, on, earth by 2048 i think that they'll get there faster and if i if i just had one other thing you know your question basically boils down to what do

you do about unintended consequences these people are trying to do things that are going to create law and order good incentives for good citizens to do the right thing but they're going to be bad actors the libertarian part of me i'm completely with with you. You can't create legal, you can't create laws that in essence are going to control people perfectly. Humans are imperfect, we can't create perfect systems. It's as simple as that. But I would also say that this is the best argument for federalism, for what's happening here in Florida.

We can't, the federal government, I know this is in a federal case, but we now have a party and half the country that does not believe in laws. They will do anything they can to accumulate power. I am not saying that the right and the conservatives and the Republicans are great, because they're pretty crappy. I always say on my show, you don't have to be a Republican,

but you cannot be a Democrat. That's my basic position. So it's not that they're, yeah, it's not, all right, all right, I'll take it. It's not that the other side is so great, but there is a basic sense, you know this. I mean, I watch your show enough when you bring on people on the right

and people on the left. People on the right basically can agree to disagree. I have no doubt if we pulled everyone in this crowd, the political opinions would be all over the room and people would want this tax and that law and abortion and all sorts of stuff. But there's a basic sense that we believe that the system is pretty good, we can work within it, let's see if we can accomplish something, and on the other side it's gone.

So it's not a perfect answer, but I wondered, do you have a perfect answer to your question? Okay, so think about it this way. I don't have a perfect, I bring smarter people like you guys to make you smarter. That's that's how I live my life, right? Okay, so But if you look at Forbes magazine at one point it was the best Business magazine we all went to right until 2021 International woman of the year was Hillary Clinton. Okay, so if you you put her as international woman business woman of the year is Hillary Clinton I mean it confuses the hell out of every at least it was an actual woman. Yeah, that's a good point you put her as international woman, business woman of the year is Hillary Clinton.

I mean, it confuses the hell out of everybody. At least it was an actual woman. Yeah, that's a good point. This could be Dylan by the way. Allegedly. Allegedly. So watch this. So watch this.

BC4. Right, wouldn't that be funny if Hillary turns out not to be a woman? That would be like, no. Would you be shocked? That would just be shocking. Well, there's a lot of stories about that about Michelle Obama. We would have to turn it up.

Let's stay here. Let's stay here. Let's stay here. I'm going to have to turn back the clock. I can maybe see the slaughter pass. Yes, Mr. Giuliani, I've seen the photo. So believe it. But I don't need it.

So BC Forbes starts Forbes. His son takes over Malcolm Forbes. Takes it to the next level. OK, he calls it the capitalist tool. Malcolm's son, Steve Forbes, takes it to the next level. Okay, he calls it the capitalist tool. Malcolm's son Steve Forbes takes it over, okay? 95% of Forbes today is owned by China. Don't you think if you're the guy that's like, if I'm selling value-taman one day that I'm gonna die

and my kids are gonna take over, there's gonna be bylaws. The only person that can buy this company ever is gonna be x, y, z, or certain kind of things to protect from somebody from China buying value payment. These are things that we have to learn from other people's mistakes. There's going to be bad kids, there's going to be bad grand kids, there's going to be somebody in the family that's going to be the viator. But if you have certain things in the rules and the constitution in laws that we put that, no matter how much the left and the right want to fight, this cannot be compromised.

I'm just saying, can we look into something like that but let's transition to another topic because we got a lot of other topics to go through here. So the Santis Trump, one of the conversations that's been coming up is the fact that hey Megan Kelly came out the other day and said hey Ron the Santis I'm not for Trump everyone knows Megan Kelly is not somebody that's going around, you know, promoting Donald Trump. We all know what happened. We'll kind of question. She asked our first question.

We know this, right? Okay. She goes out and says, the Sanctus is not going out there. He's hiding. You're afraid to come and be interviewed by me. You're doing a softball interview. But by Pierce Morgan and we know Pierce Morgan is more for you than it is for Trump.

Anyways, I don't need to get into it. So then the conversation becomes on NBC or some of these places like I'm not going to go do the interview unless you say you apologize for this or for that or for this. Is the strategy he's taking? He hasn't announced yet. You know, there's a lot of things you kind of educated us about Florida on some of the things which you can share with the audience. He hasn't announced yet. Do you think he's taking a right strategy right now?

Not going out there and doing a lot of interviews? Dave, I'll go to you first. Well, first off, I just want to say, I don't work for the campaign. I've never been given a dime by the campaign manager. They're on the campaign manager. Tell them the truth, Dave. So everybody knows.

I work for Tequila. No, I've never... I've never been given anything. Look, again, just to reiterate, the reason that I support the guy the way I do is because I see what he has done to my life, and I suspect that many of you, if you live in Florida, are feeling the exact same thing, and I just see what's going on here relative to a country right now that is upside down in so many ways. As for the strategy related to that, I mean, the truth is I don't know if he's running.

Let's go on the assumption he's running for the purpose of this conversation. There are some laws in the Florida legislature that he can't, he would have to step down. I mean, he just won re-election by an unbelievable landslide. I mean, don't forget the guy, you know, four years ago, he only beat Andrew Gillum, who turned out to be a meth addict. He only beat him by 30,000 votes. That's how close Florida got to basically being Illinois or New York or California at this point once you factor in COVID.

So that's one thing. He'd have to figure out some of the legislative stuff, which they've got a super majority here. I think that'll work itself out. I think the other part of this probably is if you know, if you're the guy that, that, from where I sit, I think most people see as the most competent public leader that we have at this point. A guy who also, as I said before, the age thing, he's, I think he's about 45, you know, he's got three kids, he's a family man, he come, you know, all, you think of all the people

over the last, you know, six years, who would say, you know, I, I get Trump on the policy, I like the policies, it's work in the economy, he's cooking, peace in who would say, you know, I get Trump on the policy. I like the policies. It's work in the economies, cooking, peace in the Middle East, all that stuff. I don't like the tweets and the attitude, right? That was the whole thing. I don't like the mean tweets. Well, congratulations.

You got it with this guy. So the point is, I think he can bring over the independence. I think he can bring over the disaffected liberals, like me, like this guy, like probably some people in this crowd. He proved it here because he went from 30,000 votes to winning by about 1.6 million votes. So I think he's the crossover guy, but just to very clearly answer your question in terms of timing, you know, it's nice to make people late, but at some point you can't.

At some point you can't, right? But it's nice to have people kind of going oh You're the guy you're the guy and then they kind of drag you in But I suspect the mayor might have a different opinion on that No, I I actually Don't let me just take off my trump hat and put on my political Expert hat I don't know that it's a bad strategy to wait. And I don't think that's the, so one of the reasons people would say that is if a month or two months ago, look like he was ahead. Now it looks like the Sanuses behind. I don't think I'd do anything to do with the Sanuses. I think it has to do with

what they did to Trump. I think if they are trying to get them nominated, the Democrats, they did, I mean, they did them a real favor. I mean, so he goes from being behind to being anywhere from five to 20 points ahead, 30 points ahead and many national polls. And so if I were to stand as this campaign, I wouldn't look so much, I don't know that much you could have done.

So if he were appearing over the last month on shows and being interviewed, I don't think it would have changed anything. Because it's not a function of the standards, it's a function of Trump being in the minds of most Republicans even the ones that don't support him being unfairly treated. And I, and my objective really, and I, you know, I've Trump's lawyer, he's been my friend for 34 years, and I'd love to seem to be real active. for years, and I'd love to seem to be reelected. And the main reason is because he's already done it. And I know how difficult the presidency is. I don't know what from having done it,

but I work for Ronald Reagan. And I virtually lived in the Trump White House for two years as a lawyer. You never know. And I like a desanis a lot. I appreciate him as an American. I appreciate him as a Republican. I appreciate him as a Republican. I don't think there's anything he said about him

that isn't true in terms of his abilities as a governor. And maybe some advantages he would have as a candidate. But what I do know is I know exactly how Trump will react to the most difficult job that an American president ever can face, which is to take our government back from it's already been delivered over to socialism if not totalitarianism in many respects. It's in bread within the federal government.

The deep state really exists. It is much, much worse than I ever thought. And when Trump became president, I told him how bad the federal government was. He probably didn't know as much as I knew how bad it was. I was telling him a fairy tale when I was telling him that. It is much worse than I thought. It's going to take a man of tremendous courage to do it.

And he's going to have to start on day one. I have no reason to believe that Trump that the Sannis can't do that, but I've seen people once they get into office, into that office not be able to do it. And honestly, nobody knows that answer. He could be a great governor, terrible president. I don't say that he would be. If Trump isn't a nominee, I will support DeSantis. I probably will support any Republican over a Democrat. And I'll feel pretty comfortable that he has a good record as a governor, therefore, he'll be a good president. But I won't be 100% sure that he'll be able to do all the things. Trump already did it. He delivered peace.

He delivered one of our most prosperous eras that we had. He delivered the best economy for minorities that they've ever had. He achieved a peaceful resolution, or it seemed to be, in the Middle East. I don't think there's anybody in this room that would doubt that Russia would not have invaded Ukraine if Trump were the president. Just wouldn't have happened. Just think of all those people who'd be alive today

if we hadn't made the mistake of electing Mr. Demented. I mean, we would, no, well, just think of it. I mean, those people would be alive today. Today, he put out his Afghanistan report, and he blamed Afghanistan on Trump. Although Afghanistan is not necessarily a mistake because we left, it's a perfectly reasonable decision to leave.

I think you could defend either decision, leave or stay. It's how we left. He handled how we left, right. Trump didn't make the decision to take out the troops before you take out the civilians. Now, I don't understand that, I will never understand that decision. They had to be somebody on his staff, even if he is demented, that would say to have missed a president, we usually do it the other way around. We leave the troops so the civilians can leave, and in a country that's dominated by terrorists,

who these civilians have been fighting, you basically can get them all killed. I mean, only a, I don't know, I don't even know if you're owned by China while you would do that, except Gates saying that he always makes the wrong decision about foreign policy. It isn't, it makes the wrong decision about foreign policy. In addition to being demented, before he was demended,

he was profoundly stupid. And no, and he was put there because he's profoundly stupid, because he can be manipulated. So I don't know if I can take my hat off, a Trump hat off, and say, if I were running the Sanders campaign, I'd wait this out. I wouldn't, there are times in which it doesn't make sense to try to fight the inevitable. This is too big for a candidate to take on what's going on with Trump.

It's gonna resolve itself. You gotta have patience. And then that's the time for him to move forward, if that's what he wants to do. Pat, at the end of the day, I guess I would say, who do you think can bring in more new voters? Who is where can Trump go to find new votes? If we're to believe that the last election was legit,

now Trump doesn't believe it was legit, but if we're all playing in the, in the tool that the election was legit, we know that he got 75 million votes and Biden got 81 million votes despite the dementia and everything else, right? So if we believe that, let's not forget the most popular present of all time

is Joe Biden. We have to put the facts out. It's incredible. It's incredible. Yeah. And ice cream and all of it. Of course, pop everybody. Of course.

But you know what, it would be the question you're asking, I'll go to Adam. And here's why I'm going to Adam, because of what you said earlier. You know, we've spoken, you've spoken Adam a couple of times. You know where he's at politically, when Adam and I first met at an insurance conference years ago, I thought he was just a good-looking guy. I'm like, this is a good looking guy going around trying to sell people insurance, right? And I said, hey, why don't you get on camera

and do something, right? And then the boom, next thing you know, he calls, hey, Pat, let's get together. I'd love to come and join the value team and team. He flies from Miami to Addison and stay in with us for a couple of years. It's not been two and a half years. And I asked him, I said, so tell me politically

where you stand. What do you think about Trump? What do you think about all these guys? And his opinions was very like there's no way in the world, you know, Russia, all this other stuff. Adam, for yourself, two and a half years, three years, you've seen what's happened, okay? You're not the biggest Trump supporter. You got a guy that you got DeSantis here in Florida. How do you feel as an independent, used to be a center left? You're maybe in the middle right now. How do you feel as an independent used to be a center left? You're maybe in the middle right now. How do you feel as a voter between Trump and Decentis?

Well, thank you. Well, number one, what a great looking crowd we got here. Just before I answer this, what a be panned with the crowd for a second. Great to see everybody here. But I think Dave's absolutely right. Because for me, it's all about upside. We know that Trump's upside is 50% at best.

Did he ever reach above a 50% approval rating? He might have at one point, but it's actually move at this point. It's like where are the new voters now? And if the Republican Party wants to get independence, because... that's what it's all about we all we said is all the time on the podcast forty five percent of america's vote left forty five percent of america's voting right there's nothing you could do about it whether your Bernie Sanders whether you're really juliani

they're going there so you got to figure out the ten percent where they willing to go and i think com is so everyone has a tipping point with trump, in my opinion. So whether it was, you know, for me was the whole, what do you thoughts about David Duke? He's like, I don't even know what David Duke is. He's like, he's the leader of the Clucleids Client. I don't know that is. There's, everyone has a tipping point. And I kind of want to find out when your tipping point was, but for me, if you're asking me like, Adam, what

do you stand for? I'm just sick of Americans at each others throat half my friends of Republicans half my friends are Democrats and they're like all my Republican friends are like You're a freaking socialist liberal whack job and all my liberal friends are like you're a maggot supporting like crazy person I'm like I'm just a cool dude that lives in Miami. There are two cats crazy person i'm like i'm just a cool dude the lives of my army that too cat can i just hang on with some chicks and hang on my buddies like no you have to pick a side it's like i don't want to pick aside because i think both sides

are kind of ridiculous right now but he's trying to say dissent is very slow yes what's happening here yes just for me i think it's what president or what candidate, I know you said that Sanis hasn't declared yet, you're not sure if he's going to run. He's going to run.

No, you're not like top of the polls and decide to pull back. What candidate can get to a 60% approval rating? And I say this all the time. And what can Donald Trump do to get north of 50%? There's nothing that we've seen seen that can get us there. And I think there's something to your credit. There's something about the Santos, whether it's the youth, whether it's the way he handled COVID, whether what he's done in Florida, that there's something so attractive about the guy that even though he hasn't announced

his candidacy yet, people are still clamoring for it. By the way guys, don't forget you know joe rogan who has a pretty popular podcast uh... and obviously knew that by the and was broken and this whole thing was fraudulent rogan didn't vote instead of saying i was going to vote for trump right so he didn't want to take that risk but he has since said that he would support dissentist elan musk who is a lifetime democrat

has now said that he would vote for the santis so it shows you that something culturally beyond just the politics of who can change this vote and you know what do you think on that policy or what's going on with the trial there's something else culturally going on here where some of the taste makers are finally being like boy i i thought that republicans were supposed to be these mean evil scary people who only cared about money and war, but actually it's not the case.

And DeSantis is modeling that. Let me ask you a question. What was the moment? Because you were, you know, supporter of Trump. You voted for Trump 16 and 20? No, not 16. I voted for Gary Johnson, the independent, really because I was stuck with what I was going into the voting booth.

Right. So you came around. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you didn't go Joe Jorgensen in 20, you two wise and dumb. really because I was going to the voting booth. So you came around. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you didn't go Joe Jorgensen in 20? No. You wasn't. No, and I was through. Why not, Joe?

Joe, because by that point, I really liked President Trump, and I completely agree with Rudy, the things that he just laid out there. But by the way, historically, you know, Joe Jorgensen is known as one of the greatest debaters of all time. Oh, yeah. Did you see what happened to him?

I was sure retirement after going on P.B., God. Did you see what happens to her and why she went to retirement after going on P.B. DePockets? Oh, you did it to her too, because you know what happened on my show. She goes through an hour of explaining everything. And I'm like, yeah, you know, I'm very sympathetic to libertarian ideas. And I voted for Gary Johnson.

And then she did the stupidest thing you can possibly do on a show like ours. She goes, so, Dave, are you going to vote for me? And I was like, no. No. No, I'm voting for Trump. So she just walks, she just lays in that, and you can see the moment.

It got clipped like a big one. You can see her die like slow motion, you know. What was the moment where you, cool shoes by the way? Al, the 75 bucks, now. Save that money. Save that money. Adam, this is the more important part than what you're talking about, because while we're having dinner,

here's what we learned from Dave. I think it's very important to all the political strategists to pay attention to this part, because there may be a big clue here. Dave pointed out that typically dog owners are Republicans, and he pointed out that cat owners are Democrats. So one of the things that Republicans got to think about is the next time the Santas is doing an ad, he should pet a cat.

To get some of the people to be like, hey, you're a Republican. You're a Republican. You're a Republican. And maybe you can convert some based on what Dave you pointed out tonight. I thought it was a brilliant strategy. That's better political analysis Then you're gonna get on CNN tonight, so I will I will nominate my two cats for the Santas' campaign rally What was the moment that you officially said all right?

Donald Trump. Thank you for your service. I'm on the DeSantis train now. What was the moment? Well, that I was on the DeSantis. Look, again, I like Trump, so it's not, it's just from being here. I've seen it. Well, you're about to Santas now. Look, I've seen it. I've seen what you all see in this state.

Crime is not running rampant. Taxes are low. We have lowest all-time unemployment here. Our, the biggest problem in Florida, and I asked DeSantis this on the show a couple weeks ago we have a housing price problem because 1200 people move here a day a million people in three years it's it's roughly equivalent to the million that left California so it's it's simply is a matter of seeing something functional and competent and you are

voting for the Santa's my friend it's a man. Yeah, there you are. Are you are you basically saying that if Gavin Newsom was the nominee of the Democratic Party, there's no chance that you would support your old friend and governor Gavin News. Oh God. This is where Dave gets triggered by the way. I hate Gavin Newsom. I've never hated someone so much.

I don't like I don't like having the feeling of hate. I honestly, you know, people say they're illusory people. I actually believe he's a lizard version. Like, I believe he is a lizard wearing the skin much like, sounds of the lambs, like he has created a human body out of human skin, and he's wearing a clarees. Yeah, yeah, motion in the basket.

He is an evil, evil freak, and I would just leave the country. Yeah, that's the account of it. That would be it for me. Okay, so let's let's go to a different topic. I kind of want to talk. I just think about it. Yeah, of course. Of course, I think you're being

your analysis is naive. It's much too early to know how good a candidate to San Sanders will be. He came out of the gate when they first thought about him, very strong. He caused that lead very easily. As a political, I mean I ran for president, I've been involved in four presidential campaigns. The frontrunner usually loses denomination, usually. That's more often than wins it.

And if I were analyzing DeSanis, I would say, his initial lead was ephemeral, not solid. Because it wouldn't have been lost that quickly with the indictment and the whole thing. And right now, he's substantially behind. And there are other candidates as well. And they're object like you were wondering why does Vivek go after DeSantis, not Trump, because he's got to get

past DeSantis. DeSantis is in a position where the other Republicans will go after him before they will go after Trump. Because in order to vie with Trump, they have to become DeSantis. And secondly, there's no price you pay in going after DeSantis. He's not an icon of 40% of the people.

He's a good guy. He's a very good voice. Yeah, but nobody loves him. Yeah, bear. Well, they don't know. They just know him in, they don't ask me voice. You don't like the raspy voice. That's a sex.

I was sent to Florida to help him win in, in, in, in, in 18, because he was losing the gill. The guy that got him through was Trump. He got through on Trump's popularity. Oh, you're talking Newsom right now or the Sanctus? I'm talking about the Sanctus. Oh, God, that he was. And he was not a particularly good newsome right now or the same I'm talking about the same oh god that he was not a particularly good candidate

you're talking about I'm talking new I'm still on like newsome good little kids oh by the way here's the other question here's the other not thinking he's talking newsome here's the other question though

for the democratic side okay go complete different angle so you as a Republican who do you want running to give you the highest chance of winning? do you want it to be Biden or do you think Newsom stands a better chance? No, I think Newsom is. Go look in tall, well-spoken, go to French laundry. Right, you know what I think. I think Newsom would be, it's hard to see. This is so ridiculous analyzing who's easy to beat because usually the person you think is easy to beat is the

person who beats you. The example is like Reagan and Trump and probably others that I can think of. Right now I would worry about Biden because it's so damn corrupt. And for some reason, I mean he's unpopular. His unpopularity is up around 56, 57 of that. It should be about 65%. popularity is up around 56, 57 of that. It should be about 65 percent. I mean, there's still kind of an affection for him that's scary. I mean, he is a terrible president, but let's put everything aside. The sand is drum, everything is fine. He probably is definitely the worst president of my lifetime. He may be the worst president ever. I'm trying to think of a president that hurt this country more than him in the short period of time. Got people killed because of his incompetence,

like Afghanistan. Those people would have competent, one of them would have just been Trump who would have said no to taking out the troops before almost any sane person would do that. How about leaving a $45 billion worth of lethal arms behind at Pagram Air Base in a country dominated by terrorists who you know are going to use them to kill your own people, which they have done. That decision can only be made

by a traitor or a madman. I mean, the guy has been a terrible president. But there is something- Mr. Giuliani. No, but there's something scary about it. In being able- the American people don't register that. They watch him three weeks ago, four weeks ago, he told the story about giving his uncle the congressional medal of honor. He and his uncle't want it, and his father told them at his inauguration as well as his president that his uncle had never gotten his medal. So he organized a big ceremony in the White House and gave him the medal. Now, here are the facts.

His uncle never got the Congressional Medal of Honor. There's no evidence of it anywhere. His uncle was dead for five years before he was in the White House, and his father was dead for seven years before he was in the White House. Well, he repeated the story after being told that a week later. So... About two months ago. The guy's delusional. Do you remember about two months ago out of nowhere he was given a speech and he announced that he had cancer?

And then literally everybody was like, he doesn't't have cancer that's just the dementia it's like that's that's the level that we're at. He should be more unpopular. Yeah. There's something going on. I mean he should be whatever whatever he should have the highest the highest disapproval ratings of any president. I want to I want to go to Tom Tom for you we've been friends for 15 years. You grew up you lived in Florida, Boka right around here. You grew up, you've lived in Connecticut, California. We've lived together in California, Texas, and Florida. We met in California.

You've done very well in business, Silicon Valley. You've been professor at Biola, Pepperdown. You don't know all this stuff. You're married, you've got two kids. Your daughter's about to go to school. Your wife is here with us. When you're looking at all the things that's going on right now, okay, for yourself.

You've got DeSantis, you've got Nusom, you've got Trump. I want you to speak from the paranoid side, because you've got a paranoid side as a business person, because we have to be, or else you'll go out of business. From the paranoid side, what's keeping you up at night saying, this is my concern if XYZ happens, we could be in the same situation as we were two and a half years ago. What do you think? Well, I feel like I'm watching, you know, Japanese Kabuki theater play out, you know, with

the media and the things that they're bouncing right now. This look at it and I say, wow, isn't it sort of coincidental that a very well-versed research group drops 500 pages of OPPO research on the very day that the indictment is finally dropped by a man convinced by the Democratic Party to become a kamikaze pilot, which is bragg and i think that's basically what's happened to his job he's just basically

taken one for the team the promise of book deal and that's what's going to be right you're gonna be out of office you get a book deal just like the uh... press secretary's do we'll get a show in the senate cc you're all going to be good i look at it and i say wait a minute what's going on that we see here down below here this is pretty schoolful game this being played and it bothers me and what bothers me is that we see here, down below here, this is a pretty school-full game that's being played. And it bothers me.

And what it bothers me is that we've lost the ability to rationally debate one another over core issues, but protect the soil that we're standing on that allows us to have free speech and have that debate. That's my concern. And what keeps me up at night is like, you're arguing on a podium that may be on fire and you're both going to fall through if you follow the the metaphor

and my you know be careful what you wish for and i i had you know i've had a lot of liberal friends in california we got along well we worked at the same companies you know for five years you know i had you know and you know a gay boss i didn't care, you know, a gay boss, I didn't care. You know, was he a good boss or not? And we all got along. There was no animus on, oh, you're this, you're this, there wasn't like this dividing line. Like, I feel like today,

if I had that, if I flip back the clock to be 30 years old again and had the same situation, would there be this different vibe that's going on between people? And I think there would be. And I think it's terrible and what keeps me up at night is that I look at my girls and I say what platforms are gonna be tomorrow to have rational discussions about people with people about things that matter and I think we need to have like a strong leader rise up to be the president who can basically pull people together but do it from a period of from a position of strength, from a position of poise, from a position of leadership. I mean, one of the greatest, you know, compliments people

gave Reagan, and I go back on this is when they said other countries, remember when they said he's crazy, what that meant was that they were a little afraid of him and that little afraid became respect because you know what it's not that he might push the button and block the whole world with nooks but he was willing to take you know guys are so say move the one move that the other guy wouldn't and it kind of keeps saying some balance strong leadership so keeps me up is waiting for strong leadership to emerge and waiting for America to come back to think there's a chance that Biden or Nusom gets

in the White House in 2024? Like, is there a concern that one of those two could be in the White House in 2021? Yeah, my concern is that what they're doing here is inflaming a wing of the GOP to give Trump enough juice to win the primary, because I think that they are scared, spittless of a moderate candidate with potential like the Sanis.

I think they're terrified of that. How many guys feel that way, Bob? How many guys feel the way he's saying right? Really? Really? Okay, very interesting. By the way, just out of curiosity, how many of you guys don't have that concern? Make some noise if you're not, so more have that concern.

So on the same sentiments as you, interesting. don't have that concern. Make some noise if you're not, so more have that concern. So on the same sentiments as you, interesting.