PBD Podcast - Sam Seder Calls Jordan Peterson a LUNATIC | Ep. 250 | Part 2

Episode Date: March 24, 2023

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If you think about what is the greatest case study in the world ever, right? And we ranked the top 10 greatest case studies. There's a lot of them, right? What the case studies could be. But one of the greatest case studies in the world is how this, you know, a group of 50 something men came together who were not happy about what was going on in Britain. And they started this idea in 1776 and they wrote out the Federalist paper, the Constitution, et cetera, et cetera.

And then that went and turned into this behemoth of a country that positively impacted the world, technology that's being used around the world. And it validated that the best economical system in the world is capitalism. If it allowed people to go out there or willing to work and how big of a dream they wanted to build and how big of a life they wanted to build,

you kind of leave them alone. You know, if they put a limit on how big of a YouTube channel you could make, you can't have a YouTube channel over 10 million. I mean, you know, you wouldn't have PewDiePie, you wouldn't have Mr. Beast. Maybe you'd be happy if you didn't have these guys. I'm not too familiar with those guys, but let me just say this though,

but if what you were saying was true, right? I mean, if we were really just going to base it, well, this is the greatest case study ever. Well, but if you really want to look into, actually, I mean, if you're really looking at that case study, right? You got to say this country and, you know, it is what it is, but the idea say this country, and it is what it is, but the idea that this country was this simply capitalism,

it was also, it was a tremendous amount of free labor that was used to harvest a crop that made northerners wealthy, northern financiers wealthy, shipping magnets wealthy, and it made obviously the plantation owners wealthy. Now, we would never advocate that you should have slavery today. Of course, we would. But, but so to go back and say, wait a minute, wait a minute, you can't say something like that and give the black guy to the country because that was done in practically every country

in the world. So it was a very, but here's a part. I don't want to, I don't want debate the issue of what I would say with that. Was slavery unique to that? No, no, no. No, the point I'm trying to make to you is, if that was accessible everywhere, okay? No, it wasn't.

In most countries, they had a form of slavery at one point or so. Well, but they also didn't have the conflution between slavery, cheap labor, and the fertile ground to grow cotton. For instance, for instance, I don't just give you another example of this, because you really, if you're gonna talk about American history, and I'm not, this is not about America's particular

uniquely evil because their slavery was uniquely worse than someone else. You know, granted, we had chattelel slavery which was not as necessarily popular or other places, but that doesn't matter. The bottom line is if you're going to make an assessment on how this country grew, put aside like, you know, the feelings of ego or hurt feelings that it makes me feel bad as an American what not, if you want to just look at it coldly, all right, you look at something like the Trail of Tears.

The reason why we had the Trail of Tears and killed all of those Native American people is because plantation owners in Georgia and Alabama wanted the fertile ground that had been given to those native tribes because it was fertile ground, they could grow more cotton there. When we basically eliminated those native Americans, sent them on the trail of tears,

the number of slaves grew exponentially because these plantation owners got this raw material which was the fertile ground. They brought in free labor to harvest it. The hardest part of cotton, of dealing with cotton ised to harvest it. The hardest part of cotton, of dealing with cotton is the harvesting of it. I mean, this is part of the system.

And, you know, I'm not saying that America is uniquely evil because of it or uniquely good about it. No, I'm not saying that. You're saying that. I'm not saying that. I'm just looking at the cold. I'm saying the greatest case that you do. I'm just looking at the cold hard facts.

And if you're gonna look at it as a case study. How do you judge it? How do you have to make the assessment hard facts. And if you're going to look at it as a case study, how do you judge it? How do you have to make the assessment that that is part of it? How do you, free labor, help the business? How do you judge a great idea succeeding? How do you judge a great idea succeeding?

What's to your way of judging a great idea? The, what's my way of, how do you like, let's just say we come up with an idea, okay, and by the way, the idea could be as small as, hey, moving forward Sam, I think what we need to do with your YouTube channel is. What's the goal? What do you mean, what's the goal?

Well, if I'm gonna measure a great idea, I wanna know what the goal is. Cause I feel like, here's the thing, Patrick. No, no, no, no. And I don't mean this, I mean this with all due respect. But I feel like your assessment of a great idea or of a great thing of this is measured in how many dollars it is. No, I never never said that I never said that.

No, I'm not. No, I'm not. But can you play along instead of assuming? I just play along instead of assuming and jump into conclusion. I'm going to give you to respect. Give me to respect as well. How do we judge a great? How do you judge a great father?

How do I judge a great father? Yeah, how do you say he's a good father? I try to be. Okay, I try to be so I don't know if I am. I don't know if I am. I don't know if I am. Quite frankly, you and I are not gonna know if we're good fathers, I think, for another 30 years. You know, we'll find out if we're good fathers.

Well, what would be the measure? Like, if you want it, like, what is the metrics and was you measured? No problem. So, let me ask you this way, okay. To me, how do we judge a great show on YouTube? How do we judge a great restaurant? How do you judge a great show on YouTube? How do we judge a great restaurant? How do you judge a great, I don't know, a great movie?

How do we judge a great party? How do we judge a great nightclub? How do we judge any of those things? I want to, this is what I would love to do this. You write down how you judge a great show on YouTube, and I write down how I judge a great show on YouTube. And I write down how I judge a great show on YouTube and you know, restaurant, movie, and I guarantee it's gonna be different.

Oh, okay, so how do you judge a great restaurant? For, I mean, a great restaurant, I'm not so great when it comes to food, but I would say like a great movie for me is a function of like maybe how much emotion I feel or how many insights I get from it. And are they doing something that impacts the cultural language of film? I mean, that's the way I would judge.

Cool. So, I would say one of the best ways to judge what country's done it the best around the world is how many people can't wait to go there. And if you judge it based on that, America's kicking everybody's tail. How many running you guys? I'm from Iran. You look at the amount of immigrants. I went through a refugee camp to come here. Dude, my parents got a divorce. My mom's in town last night, her now we're having a conversation. To late at night, we're having a conversation to late at night. We sacrificed a lot. They sacrificed their marriage, language, barrier,

all just to come to America, okay? My mom and dad never said. What was the situation in Iran? It's a pretty shitty situation in Iran, but also why did, but we had a lot of other... Same in Honduras. We had a hundred in Iran. But we had a hundred and 95 other options.

Why did we come here? Why did we go to Russia? Why did we go to China? Why did we go to Venezuela? Why did we come here? Why don't we go to Russia? Why don't we go to China? Why don't we go to Venezuela? Why don't we go to Cuba? Why don't we go to Germany? Why don't we come to America? Why is America leading for X number two? 40 plus million people that want to come here. So you could say well, you know It's because that's not really a right way to measure it because if you think about this this that Why do so many people want to come to measure it because if you think about this, this, that,

why do so many people want to come to America? I think, I think there, I mean, I think because there is a, a promise, I don't know if it's kept, many instances is not, but there is a promise of more economic opportunity, certainly depending on where you come from, it's pretty clear. If you're coming from Honduras, there's more economic opportunity.

It's also theoretically safer, right? Then Honduras is. Many of those people also have relatives that come here. I mean, there's a whole host of reasons. You've got also a tremendous mix of people here. So there's a community. There's an Iranian community. Why, though, why are they coming here, though?

Well, why did they come here? Because it's a lot easier drive to Russia than it is to drive to the US. I can't even drive to you. It's a longer flight. Well, I think it's a problem. It's a lot more democracy, too. Got it.

So because of what the founders created, a system where I could come here as an atheist, when I came here I was an atheist. I didn't believe in a God that anything God exists, if a God really exists, why would we have all these wars in the world? That makes no sense to me. Good for you weak people that you think you need to go. I don't need it.

And then later on in life, at 25 years old, I made a different decision. But nobody judged me if I was an atheist when I was in the army. Nobody said anything to me. I was Iranian. I went in the army. Yeah, we had some. I was Iranian. I went in the army. Yeah, we had some jokes.

We made fun of each other truly. Like people made fun of each other, but we sat along. I feel like you misinterpreted why I was explaining that how the economic power was built in this country. I'm not saying that America is bad. That's not my point. Are you saying this is the greatest case study

of a country in the world ever? The greatest case study, meaning that when it comes down to showing opportunity, no other country has done it better than America has based on what it was founded on. I mean, you could argue that like, you know, our mobility numbers, it's certainly at times, at times it's met that problem. That's fair. I think that's why I want to go back to that text, right? Because the time where we had the most mobility in our society, now granted, we still,

you know, in the 50s and 60s, if you were black, you didn't have the same civil rights, obviously. I mean, you know, you couldn't engage in commerce in the same way you couldn't, you know, countries always make progress. We keep getting better. I was like, you want to make America great again, but just tax purposes as well. Well, no, I just want to go,

I just want to go, when I go to, when I think about the greatest expansion of the economy, for the most amount of people, it was during that era. So let's go, this was a great chat. So we'll say this. Here we go. I do appreciate Donald Trump, the defending social security and Medicare.

I don't believe necessarily that he would do that if he got into office But I certainly appreciate it doing it for self-suffering. I know it for selfish reasons. Did you watch the movie the whale? I did do you like it? Yeah, it makes feelings about it I'm actually used to be friends with the the director and so I can sometimes sort of see I It's hard for me to sort of separate what I'm watching, but I thought it was interesting. I thought it was a terrible example for parents to watch and kids to watch.

That gave up on the kid. It was a very difficult movie to watch. I thought Brandon crushed it. I am so happy to see that guy do what he did. What an incredible performance to do with it. It was a great performance. I thought that was a 10 of a performance. Very redemption is a great story to see,

but anyways, does the day win? Did they win the, no, they didn't win. I think the movie that one was the other, it's all at once. I don't, yeah, I thought performance wise, he crushes. Okay, let's go on to Trump. Let's talk about some Trump topics here. And let's transition into that because we got 35 more minutes.

I'd like to get a couple other topics here. Oh shit, my page is missing. Pages. Let me see if I can find it. I would like to go to Yeah, this is better. I would like to go to The story about what's going on with him and you know how we said Tuesday I'm gonna get arrested all this stuff. Let me read that story. Pa pa pa pa pa Where's the story on that but But first, I'll just ask you the question. So what are your thoughts about what's going on right now with him? You know, the New York, getting them to get arrested and all these deep fakes have come out. If

you can show some of the pictures, Rob on the deep fakes that, uh, they're showing, you know, I mean, you got to give them credit for what they're doing. Go to the next one. You know, you got more here and then keep going. He would never want like that by the way. No chance running. That's not that's that's like how young they look younger. Keep going. Yeah. I mean, but this is right now.

And my cousin Ryan was just at one of these inventions. AI producers. Is that Trump as a cop, by the way? No, Jay, Belani is really pissed off. Yes, it is. Yeah. No, but I didn't even know that. I can't go here.

Yeah. Here. Belani, yeah. You're under arrest. But my cousin just went to a convention where he's with all these AI programmers and stuff. And they're like, yeah, we're having problems just, you know, with the fingers and stuff. But can you imagine this is just random?

In five years, the propaganda machine just can be insane. Like Sam, I have a video of you and it's, it proved to me that you weren't here stabbing or robbing or running and just it's going to be a disaster. I agree totally. Oh my god. Sam, and just the, just the trying to prove yourself is like you weren't your Innocence is going to be insane. It's gonna be really nuts. Oh God. It's gonna be bad both ways by the way that 100% You know what I mean both ways. What do you mean? I mean the other side guys are gonna be like nah that's not me. That's a deep fake Yeah, I think it's gonna be oh yeah, prove both used against you in and out where the lawyers gonna come in and they're gonna say Yeah, that's not really him that's a Z-Failer. That's what is known as the shaggy approach. It wasn't me. It wasn't me

So so okay, so this whole thing are they you know the conversation from the left or the right or people in the middle who really are like I don't know what's going on the right they're targeting them because they want to eliminate a competition And they've been trying to do it so many different times. The left, no, this guy did break the lawn. Let's go get him arrested because he is this, he is that, where are you at with this scenario? I've always sort of looked at criminal cases, even before I got into this and sort of felt like I let Jerry's decide. I mean, it's not unprecedented that somebody would,

like John Edwards went through something very similar to this in his race. He, I think, was ultimately acquitted, but I don't know how the details are different. But I mean, look, this one, as far as am I offended that he paid hush money to someone he was having an affair with or something like that i mean you shouldn't you should lie on your business forms right i mean you you know that i mean it's

it's illegal if you do that if they're prosecuting them the they're they're they're prosecuting of a grand jury and dice him a grand jury and dice him i don't think that he should get off because he's a former president um... i think the one in in Georgia is probably a lot more serious in terms of an offense towards our democracy. And we'll see what happens with that. I mean, so. Does that help him?

Does it hurt him? You know, some people say Elon Musk is like, he's going to be there. This is pretty much going to guarantee him when in the election. Where are you at with that? With what's going to happen? I think it probably helps him in the Republican primary. Got it.

I don't, I think he was going to win the problem, you know, I think he's going to win the Republican primary. I think in the general election, it remains to be seen, you know, there's so many factors. I had predicted very early on that he would probably win the Republican primary in 2016. I was not, I did not predict correctly in the general election. I can tell you that. But, um, yeah, I mean, look, he has a very solid base of support. And, um, I think the, my experience of the conservative movement and the conservative mind is that agreement is a big motivating factor. There is always like some argument of, you

know, I have to use other pronouns. It's an imposition on me or whatever it is. The gay marriage is an imposition on me or Muslims are an imposition on me or whatever it is is an imposition on me. That agreement drives it and this is why I think he knows there is some value to get out of it. At least he's using it for fundraising.

I don't think he wants to be indicted. I don't think that's a pleasant thing. You gotta expend money on lawyers and stuff like that. But my guess is it would probably help him. I mean, DeSantis in this morning console poll, I guess yesterday, maybe the day before, he said his lowest eb. He went up and then he went back down.

I think the more he goes around, people don't like him that much. And I think I'm not terribly surprised by that. I feel like you could see that with like Giuliani and Scott Walker. These were people who were very popular in their own area, or at least there was a perception they were very popular. And then nationally they just fizzled out. I mean, I don't think DeSantis is, I don't think there's really a lot of evidence

that DeSantis is as popular as, you know, coming out of Florida. You probably know better being here, but, um being here, but I look at his vote tallies in the last election. He was running against a horrible candidate who's lost in every single party that exists. Charlie Chris is one of the worst candidates in the world. I don't know why they bring this guy out. And DeSantis basically performed in the same way that Marco Rubio did.

There's no way better than more Rubio. No, Rubio won by like one point three million votes one point four million i think the status one by one point five one point six i mean create a charlie christian horrible candidate i mean i mean just horrible and the democratic party in florida is really really weak i mean it's not doing a very good job as an institution

um... and so i don't know that the uh know, I think that there's, you know, what we'll see, I mean, I think it may help them, may hurt them. I mean, it's gonna hurt them if he's in jail. Do you think it'll get there? Anything it'll get there? It's hard for me to imagine.

But I don't know what, like, you know, people are saying like Biden should step in The same people who complain that Biden some type of dictator want him to step in and tell a district attorney and Manhattan Don't don't proceed. Who's saying that who's saying that who's saying for him to step in? Yeah. Oh, oh god I mean you see it all over the place. I saw Tucker Carlson at the very least I know you know was articulating at two nights ago Biden should step in And what I pardon him. I don't know. Yeah. What is the president supposed to do? About a charge in New York. Yeah, there it is. Yeah, he begs Biden to stop indictment for the sake of the kind of how does he do that? Yeah. Yeah. Sneak into the grand jury. I don't know if that's a

way. Yeah. Yeah. In a big way. I think I think it's more, you know, what is happening is, it's the same thing with Tate, right? A guy, I had Tate's Andrew Tate's lawyer on. I don't know if you follow his story. I had his lawyer on, right? So anyways, but I said, would a guy like this, you know, every month he gets an additional 30 days for six months. So he's gonna be 180 days,

keeping him in the Romanian jail. They could have done it in April of last year, but they delayed it until October, whatever month it was when they did it, November when they arrested him. And it's allegedly, allegedly, allegedly. I said, if they don't get this guy, this time, and he comes out, he's going to blow up and even more because it's going to be every time you try to get me to blame you for something and it's not coming true, you got to stop and this image gets bigger and bigger. Whether it was Russia, whether it was whatever, they've tried so many different ways to get

this guy, Trump. And his audience then says, well, I told you, they're just targeting this guy. They're just targeting this guy. They're just targeting this guy. And the mega group, I'm not all the other Republicans, Ryanals, but the mega group is like, dude, these guys are targeting him. So the support form is gonna get bigger and bigger each time they do this. My question for you would be following.

Well, I don't think that should be a concern of prosecutors. I don't think that you should, I don't think you should. I don't think so. No, if you got a case cohort, I'm not telling you to or not. If you got a case, but by the way, if you got a case, you got also got to run or Biden. If you got a case, you also got to go up there.

What was the charges? Well, I mean, they're investigating if you do, if you do, if you do, if you got a case, you got also go after Hunter Biden. If you got a case, you also got to go up there. It was the charges. But I mean, they're investigating it. Yeah, if you do, if you do, if you do, if you should go, if you got the laptop, don't say we don't have the laptop and not look through it. There's a part of that that becomes favoritism. Question for you would be to follow it. Do you think which is more likely to happen? Okay.

And the census lets you say wins, not the general, but he wins a primary, okay? Let's just say he does. Okay. The chances are slim, you know, CPAC was 20% Trump 60. I'm just saying let's just say that happens, okay? What's more likely to happen for the Santas' camp to support Trump if Trump wins the primary

or Trump's camp to support the Santas? He's really on the opposite side. Are you kidding? Are you kidding? No, Trump's not gonna support the Sanctus. He's really on the opposite side. Are you kidding? Are you kidding? No, Trump's not gonna support the Sanctus. Yeah. Like, I mean, I think not a million years. No, and here's my question though.

Do you think that there's a, is there a, a percent like a possibility that the Sanctus realizes, okay, this cat, Trump is going to win and then doesn't even announce that he's in a row. That was my thinking up until like a month ago. Very good question. I mean, if I was the Santa's, I would say, I'm gonna wait. Yeah, maybe be the vice president.

Well, because... I don't think he'll be VP though. He becomes VP in a big chunk. He won't become VP. Well, like Christine, no, it's gonna be somebody alive. That's not Kerry Lake. I don't think it's gonna be very easy. The Sanctus is young.

He could wait four years. Trump is out of the picture. There's no in-compensity in the president. In-compensity is very helpful regardless of who the president is, more often than not. I think he's got a much better shot. I mean, he's gonna go up against Trump and this Republican party, I mean, I don't, I think once Trump is gone, like literally gone,

like departed the planet, then I think there's gonna be an opportunity for other people in the Republican party. But he has a hold. He'll still be tweeting. On third, when he's gone. He's like, it's like, blah, blah, you're not blocked by the week. We did. Well, I'm still he's here.

He'll still tweet. Yeah. I mean, I he has a big hold on the party. Because in many respects, the party was really, um, was, was training itself to, uh, embrace a guy like Trump for years and years. Okay, so did you see DeSantis on Pierce Morgan? Have you seen the interview yet? No, I haven't. Okay, so I think this is like the first time where he went out a little bit. I don't know if you saw any of that.

So I'll go to this article. It's an insight. You got Trump's, though, truth, social, what he wrote. That was fantastic. Yeah, it's hilarious. So many. Which one are you talking about the gay, the men and women thing or which one are you talking about? No, he wrote, uh, you find that I'm going to read the story. The Santa's breaks a silence on manufacturer circus around expected Trump and diamond. I don't know what goes into paying hush money to porn star. Uh, again, Republican government in the center's criticized madden jury investigation to president trump's expected

i don't know what goes into pain hush money for a porn star to secure silence over some type of alleged affair i just can't speak to that and then he follows up and he talks about how it's not fair what they're doing and it's a circus and all this other stuff but that is a shot that he took at him and then boom, here's Donald Trump, Ron, that sanctimonious will probably find out about false accusations and fake stories,

sometimes in the future as he gets older, why is there a better known when he's unfairly and illegally attacked by women, even classmates that are underage, or possibly a man, I'm sure he will want to fight them these misfistures. Like, I guess that is hilarious. He went even harder on DeSantis last night and basically just did all the, you know, the

op-o research you need. I mean, it's a long thing, but he goes like, you know, re-read the whole thing ron now that ron to sanctimonious is finally admitting he's in the race by beginning to fight back for some reason he capitalizes yeah why he does that and now that is polls also capitalizes pay but i won't stop every time it does weird capitalization has crashed has no other choice because it is polls did crash

uh... he let me explain the facts he is for republican and average governor. He got 1.2 million less votes in Florida than me. He fought massive cuts in Social Security and Medicare and wanted Social Security minimum age to be raised to 70 years old or more. I can't tell you how excited I am that Donald Trump is like like splitting the Republican party in half over the Social Security and Medicare. I really can't. I mean, I don't trust that he would maintain its integrity

if he got into office, right? I mean, still waiting for his new healthcare plan. That was like only six weeks away from being revealed eight years ago, but I'm really happy about this. He is a disciple of Paul Ryan and did whatever Ryan told him to do. I was also not a fan of Paulul ryan florida has been successful for many years long before i put ron there

it's amazing what ocean and sunshine will do surprise ron has a big lockdown governor and he goes on and on and he just basically says like all the problems with florida uh... in education florida ranks worst amongst the country and crime statistics. Florida ranked third worst in murder, third worst in rape, third worst in aggravated assault for 2022. Jacksonville was ranked as one of the top 25 major crime cities in the country with Tampa and Orlando not doing much better.

On education, Florida ranks 39 and health and safety in the country, 50 in affordability, 30 in education Hardly greatness there. I mean this is his tweet. What was that was a true story? Truth social. Oh, what was that called a truth bomb? Truth bomb. Yeah, that sounds like they need some limits from you have to understand from my perspective, right? Like I think that Donald Trump is is a danger. I happen to think that George W. Bush You know arguably did a lot worse. I mean, he killed hundreds of thousands of people on a danger. I happen to think that George W. Bush, arguably did a lot worse. I mean, he killed hundreds of thousands of people on a lie.

And, but, you know, Donald Trump really destroyed parts of the administrative state that I think are problematic. Rolled back this banking thing that we started with. You're a phone movie. I'm sorry. Rolled back the banking provision that is causing all this problem right now.

Um, but I have to say, I like a guy who's out there saying, don't touch social security and Medicare. And I like a guy out there who is like, uh, cutting against the, the whole myth that New York City is particularly violent. Our crime statistics are down like 69% from the 80s, from 1980s. So like 70%. That's our friend Rudy Giuliani. Well, I have an alternate theory because if you want to look at crime nationally and

internationally, when 20 years after they got rid of leaded gasoline, we know lead is a neurotoxin, right? 20 years after, both nationally and internationally, if you look in cities, crime drop precipitously. So was the gasoline, Paul? It was the lead, which is a known poison, neurological poison. The story of lead just in gas is also just a horrible story

of corporate malfeasance. I don't know if you've ever heard this, but they knew from the beginning that that led additive was, um, yeah, well, there's the, you can, I think Sam back to your initial point. This was an endorsement for Trump. I was going to say, I love that. I want you to know it's a Sam just. Yeah.

I'm going to have the green room. Does Trump have your vote or no? Oh, no. No, it doesn't have my vote. But he certainly asked my well wishes. Yeah. From the great. So, Pa, before we came in, I was talking to Mike, who's back in the booth.

Like, my thing with all the investigations, from Russia, at all, that DNC, the with Hillary, and one of the Democrats gonna realize two things. Number one, if you leave this guy alone, like, now the Santa's husband, just don't even give him all these, all these DAs and everybody's trying to corrupt. Why doesn't the Democratic Party, instead of trying

to just go after Trump with all this false bullshit that is making his base riled up, find the candidate, a viable, likable candidate, to go against this guy so they don't have to do all this FBI bullshit, you know, trying to get the guy, like why not have a good person to go against him? I don't understand when people characterize to get the guy like, why not have a good person to go against them? Well, I don't understand when people characterize it as the Democrats doing this.

Like, Al and Bragg is a Democrat, but what is the, what is the DNC or, you know, Joe Biden is supposed to do about a Manhattan D.I. what is he supposed to do about all the prosecutors in Georgia who are Republicans? I mean, that's the real case. That's the real dangerous one. I fully agree with the Georgia case. Yeah, so it's the real case. That's the real dangerous one. I fully agree with the Georgia case. Yeah, so it's just all different situations. Yeah, and listen, if Trump had just returned the fricking documents when he found them and

when he was asked, I mean, they were asking him for months and months and months, just give us the documents back, he wouldn't do it. And the guy wouldn't do it. He lied to his own attorneys about having them. He'd be fine. Nobody cared about that. The whole thing was the cover-up essentially in that case i mean i don't think democrats want to focus on donald trump i mean i i frankly

you know for me as you know i i i i'm i'm a registered democrat but it's more less so that i can vote in the primaries i'm more or less vote against Republicans is what I do. But um, Have you ever voted for Republican? I probably have on like a very local level, uh, you know, when I was living upstate, probably having if you don't remember. Well, I mean, there's sometimes, sometimes there's only one person running.

And if there's only one person running for like, you know, county supervisor, but, you would have that one. But, but on a local level, a local level, I i mean i can't name every democrat i voted on local level on local level things have gotten much more nationalized with with politics even on a local level yeah let's go to the next story go go pull up the clip of g and uh put in talking to each other i'm curious to get his feedback here if you have the video clip it's on twitter uh you can find it it's all over the place when they're talking. If you want to finish your thought, you can finish your thought while he's finding this video.

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Let me see. Bye. It doesn't four more times. Bye. I love you. Watch this. And even as he drove off, he's like down the street. It very clearly shows who's the boss in that relationship.

But that's pretty scary. They're saying like to see these two guys, two of our biggest adversaries coming together and doing like, hey, that's gonna be good for now and it's kind of a scary, that's a scary as a moment if you ask me. I mean, I am really, I am really reluctant to get to engaged and wanting to have a conflict with China.

I mean, this has been coming for a couple of decades back when I was doing radio. I interviewed Gary Hart who sat on a commission right before 9-11 on the greatest threats to the United States in the 21st century. And they had a commission of about, I don't know, like 30, 40 people, had them lined up, what do you think

is the number one threat to the United States? Most of the people said non-state actor terrorists, those pretty prescient, some said state supported terrorists, one person said China. This is in 1999 or 2000. And three months later, they meet again, same Same thing happens everybody laughs at the person in China That person never came back onto the commission. Well, it was Dick Cheney's wife and I'm quite convinced that for a long time the

Neoconservatives Primarily in the Republican Party, but some, I think, in the Democratic Party, but primarily in the Republican Party have been worried about China. And it's all about economic dominance. And I think that we have the Asian pivot. If you remember back in what you probably were aware of this in the in the in the arts where our fleet was moved to the Pacific from the Atlantic. And we've been gearing up for this conflict with China basically to protect the interests of multinational corporations, particularly

American corporations. And that's what the TPP was all about. And I, you know, I'm in favor of making sure that we have supply lines and logistics, moving and having production on short. But I also think that we should not be getting into a war to protect the interests of some corporation who's not necessarily providing benefit to the United States per se. How do you see this in regards to Ukraine? And how this affects Ukraine? Does this show, you know, hey, Ukraine, U.S.,

all the proxy wars that you're causing, look who's teaming up with me now, G. Is this gonna change the strategy of U.S. and NATO towards Ukraine, or this doesn't do anything there? I don't know how it could change anything in the context of Ukraine. I mean, I, I, I, I, I would, I understand why we, we, we, we probably wouldn't hear of what the exit strategy is, but I think that we should have some type of exit strategy

in terms of support for Ukraine. I agree. At the same time, um, this is not is not a fight that the United States picked. I am someone who felt like we shouldn't expand NATO. In fact, I think I was somebody who was feeling like we can start to sort of maybe disengage on some level in NATO. That is now obviously off the table because, you know, Putin, if he was worried about NATO, there was the worst thing he could have possibly done, it seems to me, was to give everybody

in Europe a reason to be supportive of NATO. But look, we made a deal with Ukraine in 93, give up your nukes and we will protect you. And as long as we don't have regime change, and as long as we, there's, you know, some sort of clear-eyed notion of, like, how much territory Ukraine can get back, I don't know that we're going to go to pre-2014 borders. But at the same time also, you can't, you know, I wouldn't want, I was against the Iraq war. I'm against Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Same arguments, like I'm not convinced that there was an imminent threat to Russia from Ukraine

that brought about their attacks on. Are you in favor of the amount of support we're giving Ukraine right now? You know, I'm of two minds of it. I mean, I think like obviously we need to provide them some support, but I do worry about how deep our engagement gets. I think that like if you're Putin, you're waiting to see if Donald Trump becomes president.

Because if Donald Trump becomes president, then you're quite confident that all the funding is going to dry up and you stay into that war. The dilemma that the Biden administration has, they have to show like overwhelming commitment that would like surpass, that would go beyond even if Donald Trump becomes president. And so, some say if Putin is waiting for Trump to become president because the funding would dry up for Ukraine to get weaker, why didn't he attack Ukraine under Trump because he would have never supported you? We thought that he could get Ukraine without having to be military and go in militarily.

Do you think? I think he thought that Trump was going to deliver him Ukraine? I'm not convinced that I mean, you had Manafort on. Didn't you or something like that? Yeah, we did. Yeah, we did. He would have been a good guy to ask why, uh, why put it. Oh, it might be a very interesting guy to have on. Oh, I would imagine he's a, he's a, he's a, he's very smart.

But, uh, but from all that that's going on from all that hooking up with she and Poo and just, was it yesterday, right after this meeting or was it before, was threatening? He's like, if the West sends tanks or any depleted uranium or anything to help Ukraine fight that war, he's like nuclear components and attack. Well, like now this guy's threatening like nuclear stuff.

Well, he threatened that early on too. And the problem with backing down from a nuclear threat this guy's threatening like. Well, he threatened that early on too. Yeah. And the problem with backing down from a nuclear threat is that becomes all of a sudden like license to whatever you want if you have nukes. I mean, it's a dilemma. I don't think the Biden administration wanted this by any stretch of the imagination. I'd in fact, the reporting wanted. No, did not.

I think the reporting actually was that the Biden administration was convinced that Putin would take over Ukraine within a matter of days. And with a week, and then the problem that or the dilemma they had or, you know, for many in the national security state, I think they saw it as an opportunity was that Putin was not doing well. And that Russia was a bit of a paper tiger. And then at that point, it gave it open the door of the opportunity for all these war hawks and these people who want to make a ton of money by selling and manufacturing weapons. You know what I wonder? I wonder, I'm sorry, let me just say this I wonder if you know how you feel about Iraq, not just you. A lot of people on both sides

feel about Iraq and how it was a waste of a war and then the way we got out of it and it cost us another 83 billion dollars. We can go and talk from many different angles. I wonder what people will say about our level of support to Ukraine 10, 20 years from now. I am so curious. I'm so curious if it's going to be another one of those we should have never gone in or it's going to be we should have gone in more or if Trump was president this would have never happened or the motives, intentions the reasoning uh... i don't think a hundred percent we're going to know what's really going on there for a minute yeah and i think we

and we'll never know what would have happened had we not provided you crane with the ability to stop uh... russia from making it part of a Russian empire and where would Putin's interest end at Ukraine? Certainly there's countries around that that don't feel that way. Well, revisiting your comment about how much support Biden has given and why he's doubling down and sending Yellen and sending Plinken and selling all the latest was Merrick Garland, he's doubling down on this. Why do you think that is?

Well, I think if I'm Putin, I'm thinking that, I'm gonna wait, I'm gonna wait because if the administration changes, it's a change, right? If you don't like your situation, that's an you know, if you don't like your situation, that's an old idiot, right? If you don't like your situation, you wait and see, you know, there's gonna be a change coming, or possibly. And this is Biden trying to sort of like signify

that we're not gonna do that. There was reporting about Back Moot, where the Biden administration had told Ukraine, you gotta cut your losses in back moot because it's just not strategically necessary and you don't have the ability to do it. You don't have the ability to take over Crimea, you don't have the ability to do this. You just don't are an analyst's think that you don't have the ability to do it. But then, you know, it was almost like that got too much publicity and the Biden the administration can't show that level of weakness they need to

show full commitment so that put in thanks they're in for the long haul i don't know this is like that these games are horrible five minutes left let's do quick speedrun what are your thoughts on musk what he's doing his impact twitter uh... just illa musk period what are your thoughts about them i don't know double the amount of anti-semitism according to a report forty percent loss of uh... of ad revenue as of December i don't you know i find it a lot less interesting of a place frankly uh... twitter you know long term long term is it gonna is it gonna end up being

a big is a bit of a charlatan i think he sold a bunch of like i think like a lot he's got problems with his, with the Tesla. And I think that like he is, all, you know, he's admitted that his whole hyperloop stuff was just a way to crash public transportation. He wanted to crash that high speed rail. He we've successfully helped derail it. I think that's not the best interest of society.

So is he in that positive to society the best interests of society. So. Is he a net positive to society? No. Come on. You don't think so? You don't think he's a net positive to society? No. So what do you think about all his Twitter files

and all the show and the people, what the government everybody is really doing behind the scenes? Is he a wolf and sheep's clothing? Especially with that situation and with the AI. Look, I think he selectively leaked stuff on Twitter twitter files i think it's a problem when the president united states tries to silence somebody they did this with the smothers brothers nixon did it back in the day i mean yeah i think that's bad

uh... but i don't think that we see the whole story about what's going on i agree with that what do you mean by that what do you know i don't know i mean if you are good i mean he's gonna do what's in his interest, right? I mean, he's gonna release what's in his best interest

to release. Yeah, but some of the stuff about how they, the New York Post story was held back in Twitter getting the emails and Matt Taibi, I'm sure you know who Matt Taibi is. Of course. For Matt to come and for him to say, Matt's not a Republican, Matt's not a Democrat.

Yeah, for him to say. Well, a Republican master yeah for him to say I mean Matt is a Contrary and reporter and I think you know Matt also said that he felt that Russia gate was equivalent to the weapons of mass destruction lie and to me that's you know I Think you could argue that they know Parts of the media got it wrong, but it wasn't even remotely close. I thought that example.

You don't think Russia gave it was wrong? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, And that's saying, this is like the, the Snowden releases of the NSA. I'm sorry, this is a private company. You know, as a business guy, I'm sure your public relations people called up local channel five and said, don't run that story. You know, that happens all the time. Should the government be doing it? Absolutely not.

But could Twitter have announced something? Could have Twitter at that time said, the FBI contacted us. We're not gonna give them the something they could have. They didn't. What are your thoughts on Jordan Peterson? I think Jordan Fiener said Zalutitek. And I think his perspective on women is just twisted.

He might be good for helping wayward kids who don't know how to make their bed. But I think that a lot of his ideas are really incredibly toxic and bizarre, frankly. What is it on women specifically? Oh, I mean, just the, you know, I'm not a Jordan Peterson of file, but I just remember the last thing that I had talked about that he had said was he was speculating that perhaps it was a detriment to women, not to, It was a detriment to women, not for men to have some form of ownership stake. I think he was talking just sort of like broadly like loose investment in relationship with them to protect them from rape.

Both statistically that's bizarre, but also the idea that like when, and it wasn't that long ago, that women were chattel of their husband, let's say in this country, or women were property, rape wasn't even a crime against women. It was a crime against the owner of women. So, like his stuff is completely a historical.

And why do you think he has such a massive following? And what do you think about his followers? I mean, I don't know his followers. I don't know who they are. I imagine they're young people. But I mean, I think there's a bunch of reasons. I think that, look, this is a, it is a, society is in a period of transition

of because people who have been marginalized for at least in the context of American society have more of a voice, particularly through like social media and this and that, but also I think like there's more of a voice in terms of like, there's not as much hostility from law. And this and that was only 2013 when there was marriage equality in this country.

And I think there is also a, and I think that it makes it hard for some people to understand where they fit in. And I think there is a very strong message from fundamentalists in this country, religious fundamentalists, who are white knuckledly holding on to their system of the way that society and families and people should be organized and their interpretation of gender and whatnot, because it's all perceived as a threat.

And so I think within that milieu, and then I think there's other factors in terms of like money, there's money that sloshes around on the right that is helpful to things that push their ideology. So I think it's a combination of all those things. I think Jordan Peterson, you can't ever be 100% accurate on everything that you say without offending people. You're going to say some stuff that's going to offend people. I think he has helped a lot of young boys who have been lost the last 10, 20 years.

No, a little bit more about what it is to be a man. The endless amount of stories of how that guy positively impacted people's lives is the number's unbelievable, how big it is on what. Well, I mean, I've heard you say, I think, or someone told me that you're a data guy. Where is like, it's just anecdotes, or? Go, have you ever filled up a arena with 15,000 people? No, but

Andrew does clay did 30,000 back in the day. But the difference is the difference is we went to Andrew Dice Clay for comedy, but people are going to Peterson for other reasons. Well, that doesn't necessarily mean it's having a positive impact on society. I think for men to be stronger is a positive impact on society in an era with so many fatherless homes that they don't have a man giving them direction. Thank God someone has given them direction. Well, I worry about that guy.

If people want direction, they can come to me. I'll give them. Well, that would be a fun case to see you give mindset to 100 boys and him give minds as to 100 boys. And we see what happens 20 years later. It's yours by the way. And it being interesting. Oh, the last one here.

I'm gonna see that again. Another guy. You could afford to set that up. I would be open to it. Another one is Jimmy Doer. We had Jimmy on, we had a lot of fun with him. We didn't know a lot about Jimmy and then everybody said, hey, Jimmy, the same way they're saying about him.

I have a lot of fun having you on. I had Jimmy on, interesting guy. What do you think about Jimmy and what? Well, Jimmy and I don't know that we were friends necessarily, but we were Sympathico. And then in like 2016, he was saying stuff on his show. I think he was back on TYT at that time. He had another show. He was okay with Peter Teal being a Supreme Court justice. He was talking about how Donald Trump was going to resurrect the Democratic Party. and Donald Trump will get elected, and if he gets elected, we'll get Elizabeth Warren in 2020.

I mean, these were all things that he had come up with. And, you know, I sent them an email. I said, look, you want to come on my show? We should talk about this, because I think a lot of that stuff is crazy. And he said, no, no, no. And so I started, you know, I said, go ahead, rip me into asshole. And so I played the clip, and then he must have been listening to the show because I take calls.

I take live calls, on screen calls. That's cool. Every day. And he calls in. And we have a debate. And the guy, Jimmy called in. Yeah, Jimmy called in.

It's so cool. From his car, I guess. And the guy didn't know anything about what he was talking about. He didn't know what a filibuster was. He made all these predictions. He said, I said, look,uster was. He made all these predictions. He said, I said, look, dude, you get Donald Trump in there. There's a chance you get three Supreme Court justices.

He says, that's like the moon could fall into Lake Michigan. Well, it turns out the moon fell into Lake Michigan. And we're going to feel the effects. I mean, for people, I don't know if it necessarily bothers you guys. But for me, the idea of not just rolling back abortion, but the Voting Rights Act, government agencies have the ability to do stuff. It's massive.

It is a tidal wave. I think I've heard from public. You fully realize that could have been the single biggest thing a president has done to help their party the last 60 years or it is the worst thing for the opposing party. McConnell, I think gets that credit, because McConnell was the one who would not even have a nomination hearing.

They controlled the Senate, would not have a nomination hearing. He kept that in. That's McConnell. That's McConnell. I think that is the most under understood reason why Donald Trump got elected. No, no, no, no, no.

Million years would I have guessed you would have been a supporter of Mitch McIntyre and that kind of credit. Sam, I was ready for a lot. I wasn't ready for this one. You shook me a little bit. Guys, guys, Sam, well, real fast.

We're about to be done. Who do you think besides Biden if he does run again if he could even make it? Who would be the Democrat right now? Yeah, Sam, right now if you have to pick out of the entire Democratic Party pool, who would

be, I know it's early Democratic Party pool, who would be, I know it's early as hell, but who would be their number one, me and Adam, who we still haven't made this bet, we were, we betting that Gavin Newsom's gonna be their number one. No, that's what we meant. I mean, look, I, there's nobody I can name that I would want to be president on the Democratic Party right now, but I think that it, it more than likely it's someone like Pritzker and Illinois. Maybe or or what this is I'm not I want to make it clear. Yeah. These are not my this is not my my my picks. This is my assessment and analysis. Yeah. I would say Pritzker, Whitmer, and you know, maybe Shapiro and Pennsylvania, I would say those would be the ones that I would,

if I had to place a bet, it would be one of those three. These are not, I should say, these are not my picks. You're guessing. These are like, if I have to go bet, my kids 529 on it. Gotcha. Fantastic podcast, really enjoyed having you on. If you want to find more about Sam's podcast

Hey, Rob can we put the link below please so they can go find it put it in the chat put it in description put it at the top So they can go find them do you want people to go to your website or you don't want them go to your YouTube channel Whatever it's comfortable for okay put put put put you right there. It's a good looking guy I'm a little bit lazy when it comes to promotion. I gotta be honest with you. I'm not the best business man. I'm not gonna have to go to the web site. I'm gonna go to the web site.

You'll get better at it. Whatever. Yeah, people find it. So we are announcing today in the text who is gonna be on the April 6th live podcast. If you wanna find out who it is to purchase tickets at our next building, the comedy club and the cigar lounge. Text the word podcast to 3103401132.

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