PBD Podcast - Senior Trump Advisor: Jason Miller | PBD Podcast | EP 126 |

Episode Date: February 17, 2022

In this episode, Patrick Bet-David is joined by Adam Sosnick and CEO of GETTR and Senior Trump Advisor, Jason Miller, to discuss Twitter, new Social Media platforms, the Jan. 6th insurrection and much more... TOPICS Why Getter is the fastest growing social platform in history Why does canceling someone only make them stronger? What happened with Nick Fuentes? Gettr vs. Twitter Joe Rogan Controversy Truth Social Will Gettr & Truth Social ever team up? Will Trump run in 2024?  Will Trump Run Against DeSantis in 2024? Who will be against Trump in 2024 Is Trump open to feedback or criticism? Jason Miller on Jan 6th. Durham report How important is the Durham report? Remington settles with Sandy Hook families Will Texas turn blue? Jason Miller is an American communications strategist, political adviser, and CEO, best known as the chief spokesman for the Donald Trump 2016 presidential campaign and transition of Donald Trump. He was a Senior Adviser to the Trump 2020 re-election campaign. Follow Jason Miller here: https://bit.ly/3h4EacR Text: PODCAST to 310.340.1132 to get added to the distribution list Connect with Patrick on social media: https://linktr.ee/patrickbetdavid Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media, the #1 YouTube channel for entrepreneurship with more than 3 million subscribers. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal bestseller Your Next Five Moves (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. Follow the guests in this episode: Jason Miller: https://bit.ly/3h4EacR Adam Sosnick: https://bit.ly/2PqllTj To reach the Valuetainment team you can email: [e-mail]   Check out PBD's official website here: https://bit.ly/32tvEjH --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

That's just the environment we're in bro. Gentlemen, we're live. Okay, so episode 126 today folks we got a lot to cover, lots been going on and we have Jason Miller here with us who was a former senior Trump advisor. I believe on the 2016 campaign as well as you did some work on a 2020 impeachment that you were working with Trump. So before we get started, thank you for being out here. If you don't mind taking a moment introducing yourself.

Yeah, thank you very much for those who have not had the chance to meet before their new audience. Currently the CEO of Getter, which is a fastest growing social media platform in history, fastest ever to 1 million, 2 million, 3 million, 4, and now we're almost up to 5 million people since launching last July. Very excited.

What I do before that, traditional Republican campaigns was a senior advisor for President Trump in 2020 and 2016. Quarterback to second impeachment effort, the one in February after he had already left office. But now I'm fully vested in the free speech movement trying to make the social media app a go. And I think five million in after seven months is a pretty good start. I don't think it's about start. So fast is anyone's ever done to 5 million.

Correct. Facebook took about 10 months to get to a million. Twitter took a couple of years. Now in fairness, a little bit of a different time. Smart phones are a bit different. But it just shows you the scale and how quickly it's moving. And I think it's because worth the convergence of what's hot politically, but also what's hot with the economy. Jason, didn't you get like a million on day one or week one something like that? Well, how did you guys do on how long did it take to get to a million? Three days. Three days to a million. Three days. Was that because of a Joe Rogan or that had nothing to do with Joe? So Joe came along six months later, although

so we were a million in three days, a million and a half in about ten days. We're three million people at the end of this last year end of 2021. After Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson and Dr. Robert Malone, some other folks, we grew by 50% by a million and a half users just in the month of January of this year. So we're off to a great start and it's the surge is real. So go ahead.

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Propulsion. Both. And the reason why I say that is, I always kind of use the analogy to channel my inner George Bailey, every time Twitter, Facebook or YouTube kicks someone off of their platform, another getter angel gets its wings. And so it might be terrible for democracy, but when they kick people off, they look and say, you know what, what else is there? They see getter and they want to come on board.

But part of the reason is, and you know, Patrick, you hit on this in a really great segment about a year ago where he said, I'm tired of Republicans, and Patrick, you hit on this in a really great segment about a year ago, where he said, I'm tired of Republicans winding and saying, you know, big tech, you're bad but they're not doing anything about it. I've heard that and I said, you know what, I am gonna do it, I'm gonna put some money behind it, I'm gonna go build a real platform.

Here's the one dynamic I would have added to your very eloquent going off a year ago. People have come up with alternative platforms before, a very eloquent going off a year ago. People have come up with alternative platforms before, but the user interface hasn't been that good. The functionality is a little clunky, kind of junior varsity or B team. Nobody looks and says,

hey, Twitter, your functionality is poor, your user experience is poor. I want to go to some other platform. They say I'm tired of the political discrimination. I want to move. When you launch a new platform, you have to be as good if not better, is the big tech platforms discrimination. I want to move. When you launch a new platform, you have to be as good if not better as the big tech platforms.

If you want users to stay, even if people are turned off ideologically by what Twitter's doing, it has to be a top notch product. And that's what we've set out to do with Gutter. So first of all, I applaud you for doing that because I think the fact that somebody is saying, let me go out there and do this, everybody's let me do something about it and uh... create another alternative for them so

and i think in today's uh... climate the current cio twitter probably helps you more than dorsi does because he seems to be more about side what what account cancelled yesterday three hundred thirty six thousand followers or two days ago just because it took a screenshot of other people's tweets and they shut them down.

Yeah, so for anyone who is watching listening, there's an account called Defiant Ls, Defiant and then a capital L, Apostre Fies. This is a great account where all they do is say, here's a tweet from yet Defiant Ls. Oh, they're back. They're back now. Okay. And they're also on better. Just for anyone watching Defiant Ls is on Getter,

which is great, so they're never canceled there. That's crazy because they were at 3.35, two days ago, they were at 5.10 now. So this cancellation got them more eyeballs. So that went to your point also from your segment from a year ago, where he said, do you just elevate people off of some of these cancellations,

which the answer is yes. I mean, take a look at Nicki Minaj, for example, or Kyrie Irving, not two people who'd say have traditional bases of support, say in the right of center type of space, but now that there were efforts to try to cancel them because of their positions on COVID-vax treatments, things like that, now they become almost pop culture heroes.

And sometimes they don't even have to be someone who's, a tickle-a-leag Enis Cantor Freedom, who was with the Boston Celtics, and then was just released by the Rockets. And what pretty clearly is retaliatory pushback because he's been going off on the NBA in China and now we'll get into China a little bit more later. He's now a hero to people all over the world because he's standing up to the CCP. So some of these efforts to cancel people, but I want to go and stick on the define else for one moment, just to tell you how the idiocy of what was going on here. All this

accountant does, I shouldn't say all because that discounts it. But what they do is they take an old tweet in a current tweet and it's just basically the person taking a loss. Here's where they've contradicted themselves. And some of these things that they find are so damning, like you don't know whether to laugh or to cry that some of these people.

You're saying it's contradictory, but it's it. But all it does, but all it does is post what someone said before and what they're saying now, just to absolutely Thunder these people and they got taken down literally for just posting Just taking screenshots from Twitter Yeah, so why do you think that is that that when you try to cancel somebody or you basically, you know exposed the hypocrisy They only come back stronger. What is that? Okay, so first of all let's let's talk whether the strategy works or not

I think it does work somewhat. Okay Yanapolis. What was it? What was his name? Something? You know, I'm a little yellow. You know, I'm a little my little you know, it used to be everywhere, right? I mean every where you saw 18 million views 11 Consumers and he would talk shit. He was a he was a troll He was like in the political side He would be the Jake Paul of the Paul. The Jake Paul of the Paul.

So and he was eventually boom. He got canceled all this other stuff. Once or less, I mean, I heard about him. It's got to be six years, maybe five years, four years. It's been a minute, right? Yeah. Since you've heard his name. So it does work with certain people right now.

And in regards to silencing somebody who has a message that makes sense and they're talking truth, all you're doing is you're going to elevate that person. Period. It's just not going to work for a couple of different reasons. Number one, that philosophy works if I'm living in Iran. That philosophy works. Of course, it's a very, it's a very, that philosophy works if you're living in China, that philosophy works if you're living in North Korea. That philosophy doesn't work in America still today.

It doesn't work still today because capitalism allows you to go compete against those guys, but I got a question for them on Getter. So, a few things on Getter. Number one, what I want to know from the business standpoint. Number one is backing. Who's backing you up and how much money you guys got in the bank. Number two is your servers, who's your servers at AWS, who are you guys with? And number three is which app are you on? Can I get it on iOS?

Can I get it on droid? If you can address those three things. So funding, hosting and apps. Yeah. So take those in reverse order. So we're on all the apps, you can get on the Apple store, you can get it on Google Play,

you can get it anywhere. And this is critical for the following reason. If we're gonna have alternative platforms that can actually challenge big tech, you have to be able to scale from those who are kind of roles in the business side. If you're simply a web-based platform, okay, no one's gonna use it,

I can tell you that forget her, 87% of our people access it by app and everyone's on their mobile. That's what they're doing. Yes, they're 13% who are web-only. That's primarily in a couple of countries where they're just different things they're doing so they got to do it by desktop. But so 87%, so you have to be on the app stores.

You just, if you want to scale, you can be much more limited, much more narrow, but you're never gonna become the the challenger with regard to on the the monetization front and kind of where we are. So we're gonna start our online appreciation and tipping for content creators in April. So that's coming up in about two months here.

Well, tipping like a Patreon type of deal where I can tip or more like a super chat type of a... We're like a Patreon except the differences whereas we have Apple that's been taking 35% rips for in-app purchases. That was obviously the Fortnite debate with Epic. Rumble has said that they come in at 15% for a lot of these. We're gonna drop it down and do something

like in a five to seven and a half percent range. So then as people come over and say, wait a minute, I can host my show or do things on getter and keep much more of that money. So that's the chronologically, that's the first thing coming up. We'll also start advertising in Q2. What's going to be a little bit different about advertising is we have said that we will never sell or share in every user data. So we're going to build out, we're going to do two things. One, build out in So we're going to build out, we're going to do two things. One, build out in platform advertising team. So an outside advertiser say they want to advertise with us.

We give them the specs and the demos and who they'll go to, but that data never goes to them. There are never any third parties who have access to the data. You essentially send us the creative and the messaging that we go and do the placement. So if you send it, forget it, you'll never find out that you're getting say text messages about buy this wine or buy this real estate or never get email saying, here's, you know, fat loss supplements or something like that. So you'll never get any of that. But where it really gets exciting, oh, where it starts to grow, so

we're going to launch a two coin crypto ecosystem payment platform in July. Just a little bit ambitious, right? It's not quite blue origin of going to the moon, but it's getting close. And so that's, so where we're going with that, that's gonna, I think, open the doors and expose a whole new, essentially community, not just in the US, but globally, to the benefits of the digital economy, to crypto, for the opportunities,

while both a stablecoin and a fluctuating coin. I think that Facebook, I don't think the real reason why they pulled back on DM was because of the regular Torch challenges with the stable coin. I think it was more of the fact that they realized that their brand is so tarnished that they were never going to be able to scale and grow that because people just don't want to give them any more data. Sorry if that's a little too nerdy or too. To say about the Facebook crypto platform that they were. Yes, they had Libra and then they.M. was kind of their D.I.E.M. was their second effort. They largely abandoned it and scrapped it, but there is a very clear, you don't really

hear much about that. They had a big launch with that and then nowhere. And there is a pathway in a platform to do on the regulatory side because when you tie something to the US dollar, you go from basically on a fluctuating coin, there's like, wild, wild west, no regulation virtually. You go to a stable coin And then you have all the regulation in the world. That's why it's a little bit of the challenge But I think we have a good format and structure to go and do it So this is kind of the cool thing right now

We're the competitor to say Twitter and Facebook smaller but growing The eight Twitter stock is down 50% since we launched last July So I'm just saying yeah, coincidence is Facebook's had to go and rename their company, not all entirely because of us, but. A lot of the tech stock is done. A lot of fives down us. A lot of the tech stocks down,

but they certainly haven't held themselves. So right now, largely Twitter and Facebook competitor, we just launched yesterday the beta version of Vision, which is our short video clip format competitor to TikTok and Instagram Reels. That's so much of what everyone in the 18 to 34. So you have that. That the version beta testing.

So verified users, so a few thousand have that right now. I'll open up everyone say four to six weeks. I'd say just as we scale up. But then as we launch the Getter Pay, which will be again that two coin crypto ecosystem and the payment platform, then we become a marketplace competitor to Apple Pay, Alipay, Leachat Pay, plus also think PayPal, American Express, Visa, a number of these others.

So where we're going with this platform, it's the all-in-one free speech platform where you're free to miss speech, expression, and controlling your own financial destiny is where we want to go. So somebody just put a super chat and they said, what happened on Nick Fuentes? Yeah, no, no. Nick Fuentes was a user who we removed from the platform and he was inviting people to be a part of his be a part of a group that I think is pretty clearly

racist and doesn't fit within our terms of service. And look, you're never going to get everything perfect. You're going to have people who are critics from different sides, but I'm not going to allow getter to become the OK cupid of the white nationalist set. Just not. What did NICCO for want to say? What group was it? So the groupers.

OK, I got it. So NICCO, if you want to pull up his Wikipedia, Nick Joseph, one test is in American far right and white nationals political commentator live stream and the anti defamation leak has described one test as a white supremacist, a former YouTuber, his channel was permanently suspended in February, 2024 violating YouTube. Hate speech. Got it. So it's not like you kicked off. One test has futed with turning point USA and its founder Charlie Kirk for supporting views that Fuentes believes to be

insufficiently conservative on October 20th and then to fall into grippers began heckling Turning Point Cultural War tour including a speaking event for Donald Trump June. Okay got it. So it's not like you kicked off a liberal. You kicked off somebody that would be a far right person they kicked off of. Look and it's I don't even think it's an ideological thing. I mean, I think when you're getting it.

But it is though, because Twitter, you know, most people would say a lot of people that Twitter kicks off or people that are on the right, not necessarily a lot of people on the left. But I think there's a difference between someone who is actively preaching or recruiting for white nationalism versus say political ideology. And in my opinion, it might be arguing over semantics on this one. So maybe I'm looking at, looking at too narrowly. But again, a getter is a platform where we do have terms of service that are pretty clearly stated. We don't put up, we don't have any tolerance for racial religious epithets. We don't have pornography. There's plenty of places to get porn. We don't have. Twitter There's plenty of places to get porn.

We do. Twitter's got a lot of porn. Twitter's got a lot of porn. I find it's like, you're really? Yeah. Twitter allows you to get porn on. Oh, okay, got it. And, you know what porn is like a porn hub like,

yeah, we can, we can take it out. What is what? How do you, with that being said, how do you balance hate speech and freedom of speech? What does the line go there? That's a good question. Because it's leading me to the next question. Yeah, so a really good question.

And again, we think what we've found with Geter is the sweet spot of the bat, where we allow people to express themselves politically, where they know that they'll never be censored, algorithm-deplatformed, shadow banned, any of that nonsense for expressing their political beliefs. Whether you're on the left or the right, where some people join the platform already with that into politics. Maybe they just don't like big tack or they're inherently distrustful of it and they want to try a new platform. So, are typically in most Western countries, your free speech rights extend right up to the point we've started in French on someone else's rights. Obviously things such as doxing, which we had to

go and suspend a very popular account for doxing just the other day They put up some someones address and we had to go and take that down. That's not something we put up with What is this term doxing? Doxing is when you go and put out say publicly Identifiable publicly sensitive information so you can't post somebody say home address and say hey We dislike this person. Here's their home address like that's that's what you'd call doxing or here is someone's credit card number Or here someone's social security number. That's the kind of thing that's doxing. Or there's a thing too, if someone's outright pushing

for illegal behavior or threatening self-harm. You know, for example, if someone said, hey, go out there and if you cut your left arm off, you can care COVID. Okay, that would be the type of thing where that would be something that would potentially lead to self-harm. But your point, Adam, that would be something that would potentially lead to self-harm. But your point, Adam, that you bring up is there's always going to be that rub between

a free speech, Paris, who says, any restriction, wait a minute, are you being hypocritical, or people are saying, we want to make sure that we keep the platform safe. And again, we're never going to get it right 100% of the time, but our only ideological driver is the fact that we want to make sure that people, we support free speech and that we oppose cancel culture. So there's no political discrimination that goes into it like the big tech platforms where they pick winners and losers based on whether they agree with you. Well, what did Nick say that got him kicked off? What was specifically? What was a message he sent?

He posted a message that was effectively recruiting people or trying to identify with, trying to organize who are additional Grieper's that were on the platform. What's wrong with that? Because then you're inviting Then that's trying to organize people who are a white nationalist group that we think is Doesn't fit with our terms of service Okay, so so so then So okay, so you got to realize I don't agree with what he agrees with. The part I'm thinking about is,

if your position is free thinkers, you're pushing that off, then somebody may say, well, there is criteria to it. So, the, the, the, and the one thing, Pat, just to just be clear here, there are, there are plenty of places where he can go and preach white nationalism. And if you wanna go and preach white nationalism, then you can go to a different platform.

It's your choice as a consumer. We believe that our community does not want to see that. We believe that if we're going to scale, if we're going to be a true competitor to Big Tech, these are the parameters that we're going to keep people safe within this. And hey, some people are going to agree with it, some people aren't. But what we're providing is so much different and so much better than any of the big tenets and forwards. And it's not fully free-thinker though.

Then it's not fully free-thinker because you're not allowing me to think for myself that I disagree with the guy. It is free-thinking to a limit because let me explain what I mean by that. And in every platform is so. And that's leading me to so for example, I like interviewing communists. Generally, one of my favorite interviews, when I have a guy that I'm sitting with, that's a communist, I enjoy that interview. I know it sounds weird, and I've

not done one, not two, not three. Any major name that's a communist, I want to sit in here. The owners and their not, have an interview with them, it's because they've said no, not because I haven't invited them. I enjoy talking to them, because I want to know what makes you think the way you do, and I let the audience say, screw Pat, I don't agree with them. That was unfair. Or you know what, I don't agree with the other guy.

I agree with Pat. Great, but they get to make a decision for themselves. The part I think about, what gives us a lot of confidence in America? What gives you and I a lot of confidence to live in America? It's a piece of paper, right? What is that piece of paper called? Constitution. Right? And piece of paper, right? What is that piece of paper called? Constituent. The Constitution, right?

And why is it so powerful? Because I can't just erase it and say, ah, you know what? Yeah, I don't know. You know, I don't know about this part. The Constitution is here's what the founding fathers founded this country on, right? I think for a, you're a small virtual government right now. You got five million people living there. You're a small state essentially.

If you think about it, you're, what's a state with five million people? I don't know the number, but five million is a, you're a state, right? Essentially, or you're a small country, okay? That's out there, but five million is five million. And you are a virtual government. Essentially, you are a virtual nation. Essentially, so is Twitter, so. Essentially, so is Twitter, so is Facebook, so is YouTube. That's what you're building. I think the right way to do it,

it's just my feedback. You have to, you can take it, you cannot take it. I just give it, give me the feedback. It's to put a constitution out there saying, these are the things that will never be changed. And here's what we're putting on paper. So I go to the website and say, this is Getters Constitution. This is what we'll tolerate. This is what we won't tolerate. So I had a meeting at Jekyll Island. And I pulled my guys aside and I took them out there and I'm showing them Rockefeller's house

and I'm showing them all these guys' house. And it's a very good experience if you've been to Jekyll Island. And in the room where the Federal Reserve got started with the whole meetings and all that stuff in 1906 or when it became official, we're in the room, we're having all these conversations, a sense of the historic and I said, I want us to write out our constitution of I we never, okay? So I will that that that we had 13 eyes, we had 13 wheeze, we have 13 never. So the eye is eye will set the best example as a leader. Eye that, in case eyes, right? The we

was, we collectively will do XYZ. The never was, never will we compromise, that, that, that, that. Never will we accept, that, that, that, that. Never will we do. The reason why I share that with our field forces, because if somebody sees that and they that, that, that, that, never will we do. The reason why I share that with our field forces, because if somebody sees that and they say, yeah, I don't like it, they leave. But if somebody sees that and they say, oh my God, this is home, I'm here to stay. And not only am I here to stay,

I'm gonna tell the world about the IWIN never right. I'm gonna go tell the world about this whole thing. I think the right virtual government to do it the right way is to create a constitution that they themselves will be held accountable if they cross the line with that constitution. I may be wrong, but I think it's very important for the user to have trust with you. I completely agree. And I think that to that point, so we have our terms of service, which largely, I mean, it's a contract. It's the one thing that people sign

or that they check off when they join anything, whether it's Twitter or Facebook or again. Nobody reads terms of service. How's it about to say that? But so, to that point, that's obviously very legalistic and the reason why it reads legalistic is because it's your contract. So we are actually, we just hired a brand new director

of moderation who's going through and actually putting together the formal community guidelines that will have very specifics of, can't rules of the road, essentially. I think that'll probably take, it's written now, but we're just going through some, some refinement. A couple of few weeks will have that posted. So to your point, that will then be our constitution that we post with more granular, more kind of real world details of kind of the do's and don't sort of platform so people fully understand it. And like I said, look, we're not going to get everything right every time. Now we're

going to continue to grow their different dynamics, different situations that come up. And I spent, I knew I was going to spend a lot of time on moderation when I took on this challenge, especially after the de-platforming of January 6th and everything. I didn't know how this meant quite this much time on moderation. And keep in mind, right now we're largely talking about the U.S. I'm dealing with on the global level. So then I'm dealing with the off-com with regard to the UK. I'm dealing with the German law enforcement.

I'm dealing with people all around the world. And look, Getter is one of the kind of the unique things about it. We're only 50% U.S. and prior to the Rogan explosion, Rogan and Tucker coming on board, we were only 37% US. I made the commitment when we launched this thing that's gonna be a global platform, not just because of where I wanted to go for scale, but also to make sure it wasn't an American echo chamber.

And so Brazil is about 15% Brazil second, Brazil second, who's third. So UK is third at just below 10. Germany is right behind them and France is right behind them. And then Japan is then Japan and Canada are like number six and seven. And so we so the countries where we have teams where we're out working obviously the US Brazil UK France Germany. And then I just expanded this quarter for Japan, India, and

Colombia. And so those are kind of our big targets. I think India is good for you. I think India is good for you because there's a lot of free thinkers in India. And their enemy is also the same enemy, which is China. They're not a fan of China. They banned 100 apps in China. And so to that point, it's almost like we synced up beforehand.

The drivers where we found in a lot of our international markets where we're targeting, obviously, you can get us globally unless the government's blocking it actually literally the day we kicked off I think we had 10 or 20,000 people sent it from Venezuela and then after that first day Go and sell it. Yeah, they just like no one else is getting it But what we found is proximity to communism and socialism is a huge driver So for example people in Columbia, Brazil, we're just seeing all the people fleeing from Venezuela are massive drivers South Florida where you have such a big Cuban-American community, massive getter user base, people who are concerned about India, as you said, also elections that are coming up in countries where there are elections in 2022.

You see a lot more political activity. People are kind of supercharged and paying attention to it. And then, of course, the big one is where we have both big tech and governments who are coming in trying to silence people. And there's a huge difference. I mean, you take a look at Columbia, which literally has a no censorship clause in their own constitution or essentially an amendment that they add to Columbia. Columbia. Brazil doesn't have their version of a US first amendment. They do not have any aspect of free speech, which kind of blew my mind. This is a major democracy, you know, certainly in South America, a big power when they're

supermarket to the world when it comes to beef markets and other things. You have the single biggest Japanese community outside of Japan, and they don't have that. In fact, I met the deputy Carol Duttoni, who's writing their version of the first amendment. And I was like, wait a minute, you guys don't have that. She goes, nowhere in our constitution is protected. We take for granted our first amendment rights, ability to express ourselves. But obviously, look at your background, where you grew up and you can't. I mean, people get killed for being on the wrong side of this.

Yeah. It's pretty nutty, but anyway, it started to hog the... So, so I'm going to go through a couple of things here. So I looked at parlor. I'm looking at parlor's data. you know, being on the wrong side of this. Yeah. It's, you know, pretty nutty, but anyways, it started to hog the... So, so I'm gonna go through a couple of things here. So I looked at Parler. I'm looking at Parler's data. Parler got started September of 2018. They grew from whatever they had to 20 million users.

And right now they got maybe half a million to 700,000 active users. Rumble, who Chris Pavlovsky, he was with us what? A couple weeks ago. To the fact that they, he announced the $100 million offer to what he called a Rogan two days prior to that. We had a conversation about him specifically doing something like that.

And he went out there and did it, balls he moved, could for him. He obviously turned it down, but everybody said, hey, this guy's got that kind of money, more power to you, right? And I think they said they have, what number did he say in the month of January? They had 39 million active users, but you got to realize they've been off for nine years and it's not like they're just got started eight months ago and they're going to five million,

right? And he is also trying to do what he's doing, but he's racing capital. I want to go back to the part about raising money. Have you guys started raising money? Oh, yes, I'm sorry. Hopefully we funded. Yes. So we are funded by two international investment firms,

one based in London, one based in New York area. So it's completely privately funded right now. We still have, I think I'm somewhere in the area of like 10, 20 million in the bank, but obviously we know that it's a longer run to when we actually go and start monetizing the platform. Obviously the first aspects of revenue generation will come until April and then where it really start monetizing the platform. Obviously, the first aspects of revenue generation will come until April, and then where it really takes off

is this summer. But our backers know that there's a lot of money, quite frankly, we've made this space, we have to spend a lot of money to get it. A lot of money. A lot of money. And here's the thing, too. So we talk about kind of the peer dollar challenges.

Just being a competitor platform, the way that the bar is raised extra high just on attracting engineers, attracting talent because everyone is so concerned about getting block listed by Google or Facebook. What would happen if big tech saw that I worked with a challenger? Would this stop me from getting jobs or going to the cool parties? A lot of great points. And put on a resume, nine months at Gitter.

What were you doing at Gitter? Two and a half years at Gitter. Two and a half years at Gitter. Two and a half years at Rumble, I can see that. Blacklisted permanently to work at a challenge. Is that a challenge for the engineers that you're hiring? Does that, is that a challenge? So, you know, I'll tell you on this. It was at the beginning, it's less so now.

In fact, a couple of weeks ago, we hired someone who had competing offers from Google and from us. And they turned down Google and they came with us. And I was like, you know, holy, you know what? I'm like, really? Like your turned down Google would come with us. And the person said, look, I've been impressed. I was a little skeptical when you guys launched.

I thought it might be like the other platforms and we got kicked off, or got banned. I've seen what you guys have done and I'm just so sick of the discrimination. He goes, I'm not even a Republican. I'm an independent. But the fact that if you're like independent in California basically means that you're Republican but you're afraid to have your registration be that

which I can't blame him. And he goes just everybody knows like, oh, you're one of them. And he goes I'm just so sick of that discrimination of the behavior. I want to go a place where at least look, he's not going to be some card care in Republican. At least he feels free. So, so for YouTube's alternative is rumble. Every time YouTube screws up, rumble does well, Christ as well, and they get users. So Twitter's alternative used to be parlor, right? Parlor was the alternative to Twitter. Is that what was parlor more a alternative to Facebook?

No, I think it was, I think obviously, let them describe themselves, but probably more a competitor to Twitter. To Twitter. And I would say that where we started is you just pull up on the screen our timeline our scroll I would say initially most closely a marketplace competitor to Twitter very clean by the way It's very clean our engineers are good you know, I I when I first came on board I and I obviously I launched it

But yeah engineers working on before I came on board the The guy who started this, he's now like an elite engineer, he's now in his mid 50s, went to USC undergrad, USC grad school, worked for all the big companies, like McDonald Douglas and Oracle, and the brain on this guy is so great in our CTO that we have him placed now. The guy has five degrees from MIT. And when he said that, the interview,

I was like, okay, this guy's lying. Go around and back out and check. Who has five degrees from MIT? And he's like, yeah, I think like school stuff is fun. And I could do it in the evenings and weekends. I'm like, what's wrong? This guy's brain is so big. Our deputy CTO went to Shingwa, which is like the Harvard plus Yale plus Stanford of China.

He's now here living in the US and will be permanently living here in the US. The brains on these guys are so big. I mean, I'm just the pretty face. But these guys are, that was a joke for you when he's not seeing the video. I like the way you do it. I'm definitely not the pretty face. I like the way you do it.

I have the voice for radio forever, whenever I had it. It's a clean look. These guys are so smart because again, the two things that I said right in the beginning, I want this to be a global company that can scale. It has to look as good, if not better, than anything big tech is putting out. Otherwise, people are going to walk up and say, yeah, Twitter might be a bunch of,

you know what, better functionalities better. Did you address what, what's his name? Rogan said when he got on your platform and he says, all of a sudden, I had 9.2 million followers and I don't have 9.2 million followers. I think you addressed that. You said you showed how many you would have that have to still join, but how many are getter followers, right? There's something that you guys deal with that. And so it's again, this is one where self-inflicted error easily could have been what happened is the front half of our engineering got out of

sorts of their back end. We just started rolling it out for a number of users where when you post on getter, it cross-post post it shows up on Twitter, which is great. Then you don't have to go and bounce around and because a lot of people have audiences, especially content creators or people who are in the kind of messaging space or commentators, what happened was we got out there and showed here's what the the total reaches. And so I had the combined Twitter and getter followers. That's now split up. So you say, here's how many

getter specific in here's how many total so safe you were to post something on getter, you have cross-posting enabled, then you see how many what your total reaches. We should have had that done early on. It should have been the same time as the back end because the back end is just now catching up. We have addressed it, spoke with Rogan's producer. Again, it's, you know, you're going to make mistakes with the startup. It should have been more clearly spelled out, but we fixed that. Okay. Sounds good. And in regards to active users right now, what was your active, active users who, you know, were on the website last month? What would be the active users?

Yeah. So on the daily active user is right about, obviously it fluctuates. It's just under 500,000 daily daily. Really? Oh, yeah. No, this is this is maybe 500,000. That's a solid number. Oh, it's a real solid number in the community is so engaged. No, when I say that, people are like, wait, really? Oh, no, it's, it is a, it is a big number. And in fact, we've had just answer the question you didn't ask about falling, say, you know, Rogan and Tucker and the people coming on in January, we grew by 50%. We've held the audience, and we actually last week had our two highest days ever, as far as posting,

as far as the number of posts. Yes, as far as the activity. So that number is held and actually gone up. So we're holding and keeping mobilized these new people who came on to January. So it hasn't been kind of the dip in then the drop. We've been able to hold them. The fact that there's alternatives, that's good for everybody.

Coffee being is good for users, because it makes Starbucks realize they have to constantly cheap coffee at Dunkin' Donuts is good for customers, because it makes you think, hey, Starbucks cannot take you to 10 bucks or whatever. Burger King is very good for users who go to McDonald's. I mean, neither one of them is good for you, but it's good for users because there's competition. Can you show me the juniors last tweet in regards to truth network coming out? I think he just posted this time for some truth, breaking. This was Donald Trump's first post on truth, social. Get ready, your

favorite president will see you soon. I mean, he's always humble. It's such a unique quality of his. But get ready, your favorite president will see you soon. And that's out there with truth, social. Now, truth, social would be more of a comparison competitor to you guys, as well as to Twitter, right? Would you say true social? So here is, the way that I think you got to look at it isn't so much of, here's one pie that the alternative platforms have and they're challenging each other,

and then here's the big tech. And the reason why is Facebook actually lost followers this last quarter, first time ever, that they've had a drop or they've lost people. Twitter is the Washington Post said, I think it's Megan McGardle, had a great op-ed to their business model as misery. People just, the experience on Twitter have just been so negative and nasty. Functionality is great. Twitter is a well-owned machine functionality-wise, but just it's

so negative. A lot of people are turned off from that. One thing to keep in mind is when President Trump was de-platformed, and I know this from my own market research about 20 to 25% of his followers, his voters domestically from 2020, quit social media didn't necessarily delete their accounts, but they stopped using social media. They were frustrated, they were turned off, they said, this is all rigged by 20% of his voters. Yes. So we had, you know, just under 75 million people, about 20 to 25% somewhere right in between there. Now it makes sense why he's never on Twitter. It's not him. No, exactly.

But here's what happens when President Trump announced in October of this last year that he was going to launch true social. Over the next 10 days, we had a 135 percent increase in signups versus the previous 10 days. Because here's what's happening. People are coming off the sidelines. And they're saying what's available?

What's here? We're here right now, true social is not. When President Trump gets back in, I think it's gonna get a lot more people saying, you know what, maybe now's the time, this is the genesis, this is the spark point to go and look at other platforms that are not called Big Tech. So this isn't just a matter of us finding over some small pie.

Twitter and Facebook are gonna lose a lot of people to both true social and to us, and maybe even some other platforms. One Trump gets in and starts getting people jazzed up. And here's everything to keep in mind. Facebook and Twitter, it's not like they're taking their foot off the pedal. Facebook in particular launched their quote-unquote global misinformation information, global anti misinformation effort, which means that anyone have an election in 2022. Philippines, Colombia, Brazil, France, they're going around and essentially picking winners and losers doing their warning labels, doing the same nonsense that they did with US elections.

So they're continuing to drive people away on a daily basis. Can you pull up the article from Reuters with Trump about true social sex? So Trump's have open hundreds of testers out of expected lunch, Google. Let me make it a little bit bigger. I wanna read this, I haven't read this yet. So Reuters, details about foreign version

of Donald Trump's new social media app are trickling out as about a 500 beta testers that began using an early version of true social two sources to all Reuters. The testing of true social comes a year after Trump was banned from Facebook, Twitter and alphabet. His new media and technology venture, Trump and Arizona, has pledged to deliver an engaging and censorship free experience on the app, which Chief Executive Devon Nunez

has said will launch by the end of March. Truth remains shrouded in secrecy and is regarded skepticism by some tech and media circles. See, the challenge with this is, the challenge with this is, he got a guy to go join him, which is one of the most powerful guys in tech. What is Peter Thiel doing, resigning from Facebook board to go join him, a libertarian that wants to go join him? He must know something others don't. A guy like him is not going to go somewhere if he doesn't think it's going to be a winning

formula. And if he goes, he can probably make some phone calls to recruit the best of the best engineers because he's connected with everybody. And they don't come as smart as that guy does. That guy's a very, he doesn't want attention. He's low key. He doesn't want to get out there and talk. He just wants to deliver. And so that guy team up with him. And I know you're saying, this is is gonna help our platform, but the only way I think it would is if Trump was actually active on Getter because if a user, one of the most annoying thing about a user is the following.

Here's what users are getting annoyed with. A user wakes up and is like, look, I used to just have to check Facebook. Now I gotta check Facebook, then I gotta check Twitter, I got to check Facebook, then I got to check Twitter, then I got to check YouTube, then I got to check Instagram, then I got to check LinkedIn, then I got to check TikTok, then I got to check... Now I got to check GitHub, now I got to check... Now I got to... It's so many things for me to check off, right? So don't you think this guy going out there and doing what he does? It could possibly... Because this is what a lot of people are saying,

it could possibly hurt some of the other startup platforms out there like yours or maybe even a rumble. So, well, that's a thing, Teal is a big backer of rumble. And so, I know he is. And so, yeah. And so, one of the things also you gotta keep in mind, Teal leaving Facebook,

or Meta whatever they're calling themselves now. It's not as though he's leaving Meta to go do something Trump. I think you have to go and bifurcate the two. Here's the reason why. Facebook's a dying company. Even Zuckerberg said that they're gonna lose 45% of their audience 18 and under over the next two years. It just, I mean, kids don't have Facebook,

they have Snapchat and TikTok, that's where they're going to. Well, Instagram too, and they said, so this is kind of where I'm getting to on the functionality. Instagram Reels, this is Persecrberg, it was most recent quarterly investor report. Instagram Reels, the short video format, drives about 60% of their engagement.

That's anyone coming to any of the broader Instagram Facebook properties, it's for Instagram Reels. That's anyone coming to any of the broader Instagram Facebook properties, it's for Instagram Reels. That's what the whole, so that's what we launch. Because they're hyping those up, and they're basically, that's working because that's kind of like TikTok. Reels go viral, reels can take off. So, and we actually just launched yesterday,

again, the beta testing is we start to scale up vision, which is our short video format. So that's why I said initially, where the competitors with Twitter and Facebook, now we're launching a product that ultimately will go head-to-head with TikTok, Instagram Reels. This is even before we get to say the Getter Pay as we go into the crypto payment platform we have.

The other thing we have that's really popular right now is live streaming. And just to give you a sense of the scope, when President Trump had Israeli and Arizona last month, a million people, technically $996,000. That's all round up to a million. A million people watch President Trump's rally on Getter over three different channels. You had right side, you had Newsmax and you had Real America's voice. Those combined, so a million out of our four and a half million, we're watching Trump's rally. When he had his rally then in Conroad, Texas two weeks later, over 700,000.

The live streaming dynamic that we've added in has been gangbusters, not just here, but globally as well. Yeah, that's my concern because that's all going to be on truth if he does that. I think it's a long play because even truth, it's not an easy thing to just build something. I would be surprised. I would be surprised. I have not seen from any of the beta testers that they have live streaming in the near future. But they'll eventually have. They'll set that up. But also, you've got to keep in mind, at least I'm kind of too young, horn here.

We have the short vision, or the vision, the short video clip format, which is, again, that's where people are doing the fund dances and all this stuff. That's what all the younger folks are to. That's now. I haven't seen that within the beta testing for truth, but then where we're going ultimately keep in mind, where truth wants to go. This is from their public deck. They want to be an entertainment and media creation company.

They want to create content. That's it. Take a look at the deck. That's where they want to go. Where going is more into the financial services and payment platform in crypto aspect. And so there are going to be areas of commonality. But here's our thing too, when you talk about people opening up the multiple apps, multiple social media platforms.

Right now people are looking and saying, yes, you have your Twitter, your Facebook, your others. I'm not so sure that as these new platforms are true social and others start to pop up, the people will say, you know what, I have these platforms I like, I don't need to go to Twitter anymore. I don't need to go to Facebook anymore. I'll open up maybe truth, maybe open up getter, maybe someone open up parlor rumble whatever the case. Those are the ones I'm doing. I don't need to worry about the old big tech platforms who are censoring me politically. Yeah, you know, I told this to Chris, if

you remember when we were talking, I said, I said this to Chris, if you remember when we were talking I said I said the What's gonna help today's you got to get something on your show? On your platform that I can only get on your platform, right? Like what you were talking about with earlier conversation We're having with you being a pun that had a couple different places and one of the places you were expressing with the with the Terms conditions was is For example, why did why did I go to Spotify? I've never downloaded Spotify until Rogan went out Spotify. I've never downloaded Spotify ever in my life

until Rogan went there. Then I said, I'm gonna go to Spotify, right? You know, Bill Marr to me right now is one of the most valuable voices out there because believe it or not, I think he is a voice of reason, right? You got the rough reflection of how off track the American totally get to the left. I love what he said, you know, you always say.

He says, I didn't change. You change. I've been the same for the last 30 years. You're still the same. You're the same. Pot smoking, maybe libel, whatever, whatever. So I think he's very necessary. I think our Russell Brand is very necessary.

I think John Stewart. John Stewart, oh my gosh, if he came out of retirement, whoever was able to pick him up, thank you guys. You're a good friend, Hassan Manage. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Hassan Manage is one of the highly requested guys to be on the podcast.

Guys wanna have a Hassan Manage, funny guy, yeah. So these guys are necessary. I think like, you know, you know, it's a, I think the battle is very similar to Hulu, Netflix, HBO, Showtime. Like when Sasha Baron Cohen had his show on Showtime, I'm like, give me a damn break. I got to go order the showtime app, right? When, you know, what's his name? Shiloboff, one of my favorite actors, his story that he made that movie about the story of his father, Honeyboy, something like that.

It was only on Amazon. I had to go get Amazon's app on my TV to see it, right? But House of Cards is why I joined Netflix first. If there wasn't House of Cards, I would have never downloaded Netflix, right? So it got me in through house of cards. So all I'm saying is you I think this guy's not a guy that's going to be a lightweight to go out and do what he's doing.

Trump because he's preparing his campaign for 2024. I mean, you know more than I know he's running. It's not like he ain't going to run. So I spent three hours with him yesterday afternoon. Yeah. I went and visited Mar-a-Lago. Oh, I'm going to go see him this afternoon. So that's great.

I'll tell you how long I'll tell him. Yeah. Yeah. So he's kidding, by the way. He's not a guy that's a very, but although he had his best podcast, a couple days ago, what he said, people were blown away by that. But the reason why I say this is reasonable people out there. I think you need someone to be a face that I can only

get on, getter, and you've got gotta spend some money to get somebody like that. So I think, so to that point, I think they're, yes, you're exactly right on the, I may be wrong, I'm just speculating. No, you're right on a big part of it. That's Pat pitching you to, hey, give us some money, we'll handle it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

I'm not asking about us, I'm not asking about all the, but here's the thing, when we bring on the content creators, and we're able to, and again, we'll undercut the competition and come into, they're allowing to keep that much, that much more money, literally been, you know, 50% to 100% less than what anyone else has charged them to take the rip off of it. That's going to be a driver for a lot of content creators. We are pursuing some additional partnership deals to have some of that, that creative, but also to, to your point, just about people having to bounce around to different platforms.

With ours, if you have the micro-blogging, if you have the short video, essentially the TikTok, the Instagram Reels type, you have the live streaming, then you also have this crypto and the payment platform aspect, that then makes it the all-in-one free speech platforms. That's part of what we're doing is making it so, once you're there, you're getting everything good possibly want, but there will be,

we're talking to some folks, we'll have some crazy, crazy question for you. When you spent time with Trump yesterday, the three hours at Marlago, was there ever a conversation of, you know, bringing together and truth together where they use the plot, any conversation like that, or not at all? No comment. Okay, then that's the right strategy. So we're, here's the thing. Okay, then that's the right strategy. So here's the thing. I think that there are there areas of teaming up. I think there are areas where, you know, more than one platform can exist in this space.

Certain things that just won't come in or talk about. But let's just say that I'm still politically speaking. I'm still a big ally of the president and very friendly with them. I think there's a way for both platforms and the American people to ultimately succeed and have an additional freedom in their voice. That's probably about as far as I want to go. Okay. Yeah.

Again, if a strategy like that were to take place, it's a team up together to go up against an enemy rather than you competing against each other. Because if their platform is a different angle than getter is a different angle, it's like bringing Instagram and Facebook together. That was a domination when that took place. It's like bringing YouTube and Google together, holy shit. So they went from being competitors to together, top website, I know in America right now is TikTok, they just blew past everybody because of what they're doing with their videos going viral.

But you got Google, YouTube, Facebook, those three guys competing for the top four. So I think that would be more of a unified way to go to war for the next two, three years. Because I think the alternative, I think it's going to work. I think someone's going to pull this off and do it the right way. By the way, when you were with them, how is his energy, how is he feeling, is he planning on every time when I see him speak and in different events at Mar-Lago or other places, he sounds like he is ready, he's warming up for 24.

You know, we spend a good chunk, I think there's probably my surprise people, we spend a good chunk going through a lot of policy type things and he has a CPAC speech that's coming up not this weekend but next weekend. So we talked through some of the themes, different things he's going to hit on. We talked through endorsements and people he's endorsing, knocking indoors. He started rolling a bunch of those out last night, earlier this morning.

But I think the seriousness and the focus that he has right now, what's going on with Russia and Ukraine, but then also the even bigger existential threat, which is China. Russia and Ukraine, I don't want to trivialize it and say that it's just noise, but compared to China and Taiwan, it is noise. That's the real threat because China is going to take Taiwan and they're doing about 10 minutes. And then everyone else in the South China Sea or anywhere else in the Indo-Pacific needs to be on high alert.

I think ultimately, like, be proven wrong. I saw there's some mortar shells fired this morning just in Ukraine. I think Putin probably wants to make sure there's no NATO or EU expansion. He shows up his domestic political base by kind of rattling the saber. He does something where it makes it look like Biden is weak and he's strong. And then he kind of just rides off in the sunset and then he rattles his saber somewhere else I think that's probably what happens with Ukraine and Russia But China's a whole different can of worms if if you're betting man you go to Las Vegas

And you have the odds to bet on him running versus not running you're betting on what? Oh, he's he'll run he'll run you're You're getting. Yeah, he did not use those exact words. Um, but I mean, he talked in pretty, as far as the desire, the motivation and part of the thing is like, look, he's like, if you have someone who's weak in the White House, you're going to get tested by these foreign leaders. There's going to steamroll. Yeah. And it's a, I think a lot of times people see kind of the, you know, the kind of the affable and some of the, you know, sometimes hyperbolic aspect of the president. And they don't necessarily see sometimes the, the concern level. He's really concerned about the direction of the country with everything happened with

immigration and inflation and all these different issues going on. He's concerned that if someone like him doesn't get back in there, what the country is going to look like after not just the next three years, but four years after that. So then the question then for you becomes, this is a question I've been, you know, trying to get an answer from somebody. We had the press secretary of the Sanctis year, Christine Poshach. And she was a great, she was great at playing dodgeball. I mean, like she would have a great dodgeball player.

She was dodging everything. Every time I was asking, it's like this, she was gripped at playing dodgeball. I mean, like, she would have a great dodgeball player. She was dodging everything. Every time I was asking, it's like this. It was very impressive. But this is a state where they love their governor. And in some communities, they love their former president in this state, right? So they're conflicted in the state of Florida.

A lot of people on the center and on the right would like to see the scientists get in the state of Florida. A lot of people on the center and on the right would like to see the Santas get in the ring and compete for the number one spot, which is to be the president. There's even some people on the left that would be more happier with a dissentist than they would be with a Trump as a president, right? But right now, if you go out there and you look at who's

going to be the candidate for the right know the percentage wise Trump's at the top. He's got a good lead on the census, right? And if the same the question becomes well if the Sanctus doesn't run right now You know politics people got a short memory, you know because Newsom maybe they're candidate in 2023 2024 and people forget about what happened in California So that that's my I think it's Trump versus Newsym in 2024, by the way. Okay, I got it. So, so, so, so you don't think the Santa's gonna run this year in 2023, 2024?

I think that, I think Governor DeSantis wants to run. I think that DeSantis is a powerhouse. I think that he would, if the election were tomorrow and the Trump was not in the race, DeSantis would need to be the next president. Of course, if he's not. Right. The one thing that I would say. I don't know about president. I think he would have a very high chance of being a president,

but I think he would take the Republican side. He'd be the nominee. He would be the nominee. I've seen polling that says that, again, if President Trump did not run, and the election were tomorrow. So it's not based on going through the campaign trail, the gauntlet, and by the way, it's a long road to the coordination. So a lot of, you know, a lot of the road sides littered with candidates who are the front runner and then they get that wrong, that one weird question and they get tripped up or people see some weird awkwardness

about them or something like that. And they stumble at Rodwood, when the GOP primary, and then he would be whoever the Democrat nominee is. It's just the Biden's really screwed things up for the political left right now. I do think the President Trump runs, I think maybe to your point, again, this is not something I'm not saying this from anything he told me yesterday because we didn't go into anything specific.

But look, you take a Trump to Sanctus ticket, something like that would be pretty damn powerful, in my opinion, and maybe a team up there might be a smart thing that helps the GOP take it overall. I don't know if that happens. I don't know if that happens. These are two alphas. I just I have a hard time seeing the santa's doing that but at the same time if they go at each other what does it look like if they both run? I've seen all the quotes all the things

Trump has said I would beat him to you know would you know booster shot. Hey, people asked me if I took the booster right. Did some people are afraid to see? I've followed all the stories. Everything that's been happening. But what happens if both of them run? Is that a good thing? It's, I'd prefer to avoid it. I still think Trump wins. I don't even think that it's, that's ultimately close. But it would, I think that, again, Ron's a powerhouse, Trump's a bigger powerhouse. What about his relationship with Pence these days? Pence may be considering running as well. They haven't exactly minced words as late.

Yeah. Where's things stand with Pence? Yeah, I don't think they're hanging out on the weekends anymore. So I think that that ship has probably sailed. So I don't... Any chance that if Trump runs again, the be a pencil be his VP nomination at all. I can't see it. Zero. I think it's zero. I don't think it's possible. I don't think it's possible for that to happen. But 10 would run though. No, don't you think? Like looking on stage, you see a

Trump, you see a Pence, you see a nicky hailey you see a dissentist it what does that look like there and as the reality if you look at the polling dissentists are already clearly past pets uh... even if even a present trump did not run for some reason uh... if present trump did not run i do think pence definitely then runs uh... and if i were advising on say not to i think diss, because I think DeSantis would clean his clock. DeSantis would clean his clock.

Penses, yes. Yeah, I don't disagree. Can you see Trump and Pence debating on stage? I mean, certainly if, I mean, if there was a primary field and they had primary debates, I think actually Trump would probably love that. It would be, you know, it'd be made for a TV excitement.

I don't think Pence would do it. I don't think Pence is going to run because the, so okay, so what's Pence's message going to be? Let's actually go there. First debate they're on stage. I was with Trump 99.9% of the time. Until January 6 and Selection. So, okay, so who does he get? He gets the Lincoln Project, folks.

Yep. He gets the Bush Camp. He gets McConnell. Who does he get? Carl Rove. He gets Carl Rove. He gets those guys. That's who he's going to get. Okay, what happened to Mom and Biden?

What did they do to Lincoln Project? Nothing. They realized you're left out there too. So, Lincoln Project is also sitting there. They're probably behind closed doors, hoping for a dissant is, hoping for somebody else, because those guys are not going to support Trump. But Pence's argument is going to be,

it's only going to last for a week or two before he's done. I don't think that's going to last. But don't forget that Pence was a nobody before Trump made him. Well, I will tell you this. I don't know. I don't know what you're saying. I get what he has a point to say when, to me, how I interpret that is, he wasn't mainstream.

That's a better way of saying it, not that he was a nobody. I will tell you, a lot of people voted for Trump because they were glad Pence was the VP. So you can't say he was a nobody. Especially if you think about percentage wise out of all the votes he got when he beat Hillary. Okay. What percentage you think was was Pence. So I can tell you just put a little numbers to that. In the final debate that President Trump had in toward the end of it when he answered the question about Supreme Court picks. Is it in 2016? Yes, in 2016, sorry, it should say, in 2016.

We are numbers went from mid-high 80s with Republicans to low mid 90s with Republicans after that answer because people heard the, okay, these pro-life, they wants conservative Supreme Court judges support the Second Amendment. But that was much more of the Pence voter, they kind of took it from the mid-high 80s to the low mid-90s.

So you're exactly right. There was a definitely community of folks that pushed them over and 77,000 votes over six states. Yeah, you can say the Pence was a huge part of Trump. I want to read the story, political insider story. McConnell, Bush, GOP establishment, working to fall Trump endorsed candidates, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's working

behind the scenes to protect and strengthen GOP establishment figures, sometimes in direct opposition to former President Trump. And McConnell isn't alone either at his side, at least one instance is former president George W. Bush. One such case in Arizona Senate race, Trump has been highly critical of Governor Doug Ducey over the state's performance in 2020 election while Ducey

has demurred on running for Senate in 2022. He's got encouragement from the likes of McConnell and George Bush. McConnell has stated that he believes that Trump has done damage to the GOP and told allies, told allies that he will not be back on electable goofballs in the primaries. What do you have to say about that? Are you surprised? No, not surprised at all.

I mean, that's the swamp hates President Trump. And they hate anyone who's not going to conform, who's not going to go and fall in line. I do think that we need to make sure that we're vetting candidates and make sure that we have solid ones that are going to be there. And I think the President has, I think President Trump has a smarter, normal robust effort built around them for this time for what candidates he's backing. And look, there'll be some places where you see,

you know, the swamp type folks plus Trump in on the same page on some of these endorsements, there'll be a place where they're indifferent. So, say Trump runs 2023. Okay. And by the way, right now, if you bet $100 in Vegas on the bed of Trump running, the return is only $1. Yeah, as you can see, everybody knows this one. Yeah, but say he runs.

Who do you see? Because what I'm interested in is, give me a list of people that are his enemies that we know of, and then give the potential unexpected enemies that will fight against them not being president. So let's talk about the people that we know are enemies. Is mainstream going to support him? Well, it means you might as maybe a wrong word that I used.

I'd say the Washington, the swamp creatures. They're not going to support him. They're not going to support him. I do think that the overall Republican base is pretty solidly with Trump. So, so go to the swamp. Give me names on the right that you would consider swamp. McConnell's one. Yeah. Who else would you put us? Um, I mean, you go into, I mean, you listed a number of earlier, whether we McConnell, whether it be Rove, an over of Mike, technically living in Texas, but he's viewed as being kind of the establishment that George W. Bush types that are there.

I would say anyone who voted in the Liz Cheney types, even though she's gonna be out of office here, there's zero chance that she wins her race in Wyoming. But those are the types. Got it. So number one is the Chamber of Commerce. The Chamber of Commerce, the swamp, it's not gonna support him on the right.

Who else will be those that wouldn't support him? That would fight him. Tooth and nails to make sure he doesn't get elected. Well, and so this work starts to get a little bit more stilltid. I think it's tough to say that there's the law enforcement and that the legal system has not become politicized against President Trump when you look at, say,

the state of New York, you look at Tisch James, you look at some of these activists, attorneys, general. I think it's become very politicized. I think the fact that Tisch James ran in 2018, saying that she was going to lock up President Trump. This is the attorney general of the state of New York campaigning saying, I'm going to win and then we're going to lock up Donald Trump. What kind of impartial law enforcement activist is this?

I mean, this thing is so politicized that I think it's really just egregious abuse of our judicial system. But then I'd also say, and this kind of goes to, I know, another thing we're going to talk about, you look what they did with Trump with all the spying and the data collection and things like that from 2016 and even beyond. I don't put it above even Biden's White House or Biden's DOJ to go and pull some of the same shenanigans again. Okay, so so far we got the swamp, a part of the mainstream media, you got some of the government, a police or a Lincoln project, a crew, Steve Schmidt, and all those guys. Then the last one you just talked about here with what's going to happen,

potentially Joe Biden's similar thing to what happened with the Durham investigation. Hillary pulled off Obama gate to maybe Biden doing that. Who else you think will be? You think the Facebooks of the world, you think those guys are going to be overly playing the control game to make sure not necessarily Trump. They've already done that, but other people that are coming up, a Candace Owens that all of a sudden does a live and gets 22 million views. Well, let's silence her. You think there's going to be a lot more stories like that happen next couple years? Absolutely.

And here's one that kind of the buried leads are untold stories. The progressive left really took it out on Jack Dorsey and Mark Zuckerberg after Trump won in 2016. And they said, because of you, you guys came up with those platforms, you allowed Trump to evade the media, good directly to people, it's on you. I think that's a big part of the reason why I saw Zuckerberg then go and fund some of the election efforts

with the drop boxes and the things of that nature, kind of the good, is he would probably describe a good government and provoting, but he basically was funding, you knew what he was funding. But the, that's why you saw so much of the backlash, they changed the rules of the game in 2020. They said, okay, Trump, you're not going to have the unfettered access. We're going to suspend you. We're necessary. We'll put up the warning labels and now post election, they ultimately banned

them from their accounts. So I think that will ratchet up even higher. And that's part of the thing. You look at again, not where the ball is right now, but where it's going. Is we going to these elections, not just the 2022 midterms or even 2024? Facebook and Twitter have already made that business decision that they want some people as customers and others they don't want as customers, not just in the US but around the world.

Both of those platforms are going to lose tremendous amounts of people as they come in and exercise additional acts of political discrimination. Well, we saw that when they lost 240 billion in a day, Facebook. That's a lot of money to lose in a day, 240, in a single day. So who will be the supporters? Go on the flip side now.

Who will be the supporters? And who will be the surprising supporters? So one, and again, there's, you probably already aware of this one, I think Latinos and Hispanic Americans will be big drivers for Trump. And part of the reason is this, Democrats made a just a fundamental miscalculation when they backed the BLM movement

the way they did in 2020, just with the lawlessness and the acts of looting and everything that we saw come out of those, those rights and protests. I think that you have a lot of white Democrats in Washington who don't understand the Hispanic and Latino American communities at all, I think it's purely just about economics. You travel to Central and South America and people have eight, nine-foot walls around their house or eight, nine-foot gates and walls and fences, things of that nature.

It's because it's not safe. I mean, go to Columbia and even good neighborhoods, you have the uniformed officers with machine guns. It's because of the challenge they've had. It's not just about economics, it's also about security. People want to live in a place where their kids can walk to school without being potentially abducted or killed or shot or something of that nature.

And by Democrats embracing the BLM movement, they, I think they did a generation worth of damage to their relationship with the Latino and Hispanic American communities, and you saw that not just in the Rio Grande. I think Latino Americans will be the surprising driver for Trump. I also think too, look, Trump got,

a lot of people forget this. Trump did record setting well for with Latino Americans, Black Americans, Asian Americans, best ever for Republicans since 1972. And I think that movement by African Americans away from the Democratic Party, that whether they be going to independence

or going to Republican, I think that's continuing because, quite frankly, I don't think Democrats have made good on their promises to Black Americans at all. Jason, you have Trump's ear. Do you not? I mean, you met with him yesterday, right? How open is he to your feedback? Good question. Sometimes he likes it.

He has no problem telling me if he thinks it sucks, which is always fine. He's like, hey, I like that idea, or actually that's a terrible idea. Let me tell you why. But when you work with President Trump, your job isn't to, your job is not to go and try to tell him what

to say or necessarily, you might have ideas, different things, but your job is to figure out how to amplify what he's thinking, what direction he's going. Yeah, and there'll be things, for example, when we talked about his speech coming up at CPAC, I had a couple specific ideas on themes, I think he had to go and hit on, but he is probably more than anyone I've ever worked with. I mean, he's his own guy. He's gonna, but it's fun. It's great when he listens to you.

And sometimes he has, I'll give you one just quick example. 2016, he was gonna reroll out his economic plan. And I went and presented to him. I was like, sir, I'm just gonna make fun of myself here. I'm like, sir, here's this detailed plan that, the entire team got together to work out, this rollout plan for us. And he just kinda looks at me and he goes,

Jase, how long did you spend working on that? And I was like, uh-oh. I'm like, oh, sir, just, you know, the team whipped together, you know, a couple hours. And he's like, no, you spent, did you guys spend days working on this? He just shakes his head and he goes, let me tell you this. I'm sure this stuff is all fine. This is so Washington. Here's how we're going to do it. I'm going to call Matt Lauer on the Today Show.

He's going to take me live. I'm going to deliver it to four or five million people show. He's going to take me live. I'm going to deliver it to four or five million people live. It's going to get everyone talking the entire day. Ted Cruz won't even, or Hillary Clinton won't even be out of bed yet by the time I roll out my economic policy. We're going to all this buzz going, we can go do some other stuff, but, you know, come and talk to me on this kind of thing. So he's always thinking through kind of the marketing and the presentation. And I kind of looked and was like, he's kind of right. You know, and the piece of paper I had wasn't even worth it.

So it's a, he'll tell you if he doesn't agree with you. And if you had a magic wand and you can reverse history and change one thing that you think he did wrong, is there anything that comes to mind? Yeah, I think in 2020, and I'll take some of the blame on this, we should have around social media platform ready to go. And I will be the first person to tell you that I did not take as serious the censorship and the political discrimination that we saw going. And I should have realized it from early 2020.

It wasn't fairly about electoral politics. Remember, people would be in sentence to digital jail because they said the virus came from Alaban Wuhan. Well, spoiler alert, it did come from Alaban Wuhan. We don don't know if it was man made or if it was traipsed out by a sloppy worker, but it came from a lab in Wuhan. And people are being sentenced to digital jail. If you criticize Fauci in the wrong way, you're getting sentenced to digital jail. Even before we got to the Hunter Biden laptop and Trump's ultimate de-platforming, we should have realized that we need to have additional platform or platforms

out there. That would have obviously needed to start in 2018, 2019, you go and build that up. I look back and that's the one thing that I say that we all dropped the ball on. We should have that up and going. What are your thoughts on the sixth? What are your thoughts on the sixth? Like how the McConnell and the left sells it and then how many on the mega camp and Trump's camp sell January 6th? Yeah, I mean, look, I'll tell you what I think of it just, you know, unvarnished. I think it was a terrible day for American history. I think the images that we saw in that day are terrible and we can never have that happen again. I do not hold President Trump responsible

for anything that happened on that day. Anyone who's a Trump supporter after we had spent how many different speeches and ads and everything saying we support law enforcement. We support law and order. How anyone could go and do that. That's where I always had questions about just how much, how really some of these people were actually Trump supporters, where they were rabble browsers, or if they're, you know, some people who just had a screw loose. I do think that it's unfortunate what the unfortunate is too light of a term. I think it's pretty disgusting

what the DOJ has done on people who say, for example, didn't enter the capital. I think if you're, again, you can be outside the capital, there's no log against that. If you want to go out there and say, go and send these back to the States to have further debate on, that's fine. No, it should be having either civil liberties

and fringe to pawn or have their life ruined simply because they're outside the Capitol. If you were, if you assaulted any police officers, if you destroyed any property, then I think you need to be fully held accountable for everything that you did. If you're outside peacefully protesting, so what?

People protest outside the Capitol all the time. And, but again, it's the images of that day are things that for a lot of people is going to define an entire generation political. So on, on, on, I don't know what they would, this was the one year anniversary this year when Ted Cruz said the following of all the things that January 6 was, it was definitely not a violent terrorist attack. He said that the next day, but you know, later on that day, but earlier that day, he said that day he said it was a insurrection, it was a terrorist attack.

Then Tucker Carlson came out, I'm sure he saw that. And he held his, held his foot to the fire and said, hey, what is this? And he said, no, no, that's not what I meant. He says, look, you're a man of words. You know words. You guy that knows words. You said it.

Did you mean it? How could you say something like that? You realize every precautions of this. And it was a very uncomfortable day for Ted Cruz. Do you think that was, by the way, your mic is on? Do you think that was a situation where Ted was maybe that morning he's like, this is an opportunity where I can go and I have to have a different position

than Trump, if I'm gonna run myself, do you think that was one of those moments or do you think you just had a bad day and he said the wrong thing? So I worked for Ted in the primary 2016 before I went to Trump. And just doing the quick rewind, if Trump had run in 2012,

I was gonna be his campaign manager. And I just assumed he was never going to run. I thought he got his apprentice deal renegotiated. He was gonna stick that. So signed up and partnered up with Ted. Ted doesn't make mistakes, speaking. I can't speak to what his thought process was. I've never seen him actually misspeak him. So I don't know what all he was thinking or went into it. I'm glad that he went and cleaned it up. I still think Ted's a pretty important voice,

but I would disagree as far as the, you know, the insurrection talk or saying that this is some kind of terrorist thing. I would, I would disagree with that. Yeah, I'd be curious because I think Trump's got a memory and he will remember comments like that being made. You think? I, you know, I, I think that's either going to work in his favor, or it's not going to work in his favor, you know, it's meaning Ted, I'm not talking about Trump because, you know, you think Romney's going to play any kind of a role in next two three years or he's done. He is. He is so down. I mean, he's I don't even know how he

get real. He's young compared to a Biden and a Trump. He is. I thought Romney was. How old is Romney? He's he's in his 70s. Right. I don't think it's that big of a difference. I think I think it's I thought he was late 60s. He's also same age, 74. Got it. Well, he looks great. I'm not going to, that's what, that's what, that's what, that sweet bank cash will do. I want to ask him crowd-genre machines. What do you think happens with the GOP establishment, the Romney's of the world, the Chinese, the,

the, the Maconils, and the, you know, Maga crowd? Like what's that relationship look like moving forward? Yeah, there's always going to be an inherent conflict. And I don't even think it's necessarily unique just a Republicans. I think I might take a different form, but you see even with the Democrats and the progressives and the people who want to change Washington from the right or the left, and then people who say, actually, we're Washington, we're the ones, you know, this is the Hunger Games. This is Capitol City, we're the ones who make the decision. The rest of you guys just go and live with it.

There's always gonna be inherently some of that. And look, it is, I will tell you, this whole changing Washington thing is really damn tough. It's like going to get a casino and say, I'm gonna beat the house. It's like these people say I'm gonna beat the, I'm gonna beat the DOJ and some kind of legal thing. They have unlimited money, unlimited resources,

and they're just gonna keep pounding away. There's always gonna be some of legal thing, they have unlimited money, unlimited resources, and they're just gonna keep pounding away. There's always gonna be some of that conflict, but as far as the Republican base overall nationally, it's solidly with Trump. I mean, you look at the way that he single-handedly changed the trade debate. You look at the way that he's single-handedly changed so many of these international relations,

the America first dynamic. I mean, it was only a decade ago that someone coughs somewhere and we're sending US troops five minutes later. Now we're taking much more of a weight of it. Do we need to go and stick our nose into all these efforts? That's all because of Trump. And just the fact that Biden has left so many of Trump's China policies in place, I think it just tells you how much Trump has moved, not just even the Republican base, but the country as a whole in realizing the existential threat to China for the long term. That's that's that's that in itself, you know, if you were to Biden camp, how would you sell

that? Your campaign manager for Biden, how would you sell the fact that you've kept many of Trump's China policies? Well, you ran up because you just claim him as your own. Well, yeah, I don't know about that. I think you're you're right. I mean, that's what the That's what a amateur campaign manager is gonna say, right? That's what an amateur campaign manager's gonna say, but this is an opportunity to come out and you know

Win the opposite side and the guys in the middle to say listen at least this guy's being given some kind of credit on what happened there But you have to stand to your pop you know and say well, this is our ideas Well, we have to we got rid of every single idea that he had the only thing he the only thing Biden can do is say actually trump wasn't tough enough we weren't even further the country is so moved in the other direction with regard to China i think we are moving towards a true deco it's never going to be a complete decoupling but you see the way that it's it's going i mean these these the decoupling in these economies is happening. So let's talk about the Durham investigation that just came out, the Durham report. Okay,

if you want to, this is a daily mail article, the timeline of Durham's investigation leading up to the bombshell Hillary claims. If you can pull up that article so folks can see it as I'm going through it. May 17th, 2017, then, Deputy general Rod Ross Ross and Rosenstein appoints Robert Mueller as special counsel. This is May 17, 2017 Among other things Mueller is directed to investigate any links and or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with Trump Presidential campaign, okay, then you go to January 15, bill bar first alluded to what would become the Durham investigation in a Senate confirmation hearing. He promised then judiciary chairman Lindsey Graham, he would examine the FBI's counterintelligence investigation

against Trump. March 22, 2019, Mueller closed a special investigation to Russia meddling in 2016 election and submitted his final report to Barr. March 25, three days later, 2019. Barr met with then Connecticut Attorney General John Durham, Justice Department records showed the two had 18 more meetings and three calls that year. December 2019, Durham was revealed to be examining the role of Obama-era CI director John Brennan in how the intelligence community assess Russia's 2016 election interference. September 17, 2021. This is five months ago. Cybersecurity 2021. Cybersecurity,

lawyer Michael Susman pleaded not guilty in federal court. He was indicted for lying to the FBI in a 2016 meeting where he shared information related to ties between the Trump organization and Russia Afrobank. He said he wasn't working for a client but was hired by Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign. Two months later, November 2021, Durham charged Russia-born and analyst Igor Danchenko with lying to the FBI in fabricating sources for the steel dust year, he pleaded not guilty to five counts of making false statements to federal agent. Last week, February 11, 2022,

Durham filings revealed Clinton paid to have Trump tower and White House servers heckled to fabricate ties between Trump and Russia. And then Trump era director, National Intelligence, John Radcliffe reveals Durham thinks there is enough evidence to indict several more people he also said Obama and Biden were briefed on the Clinton revelations in 2016 Kai. What are your thoughts about what's been happening with this year with the Durham report? I wish it happened a year ago or two years ago or several years ago.

I didn't, though. I think, you know, this is just my speculation on this. I think that bar knew that there were egregious abuses, but he didn't want to do anything that would become a 2020 campaign issue. And so he wanted to get to the bottom of this, but he was so concerned about him, he himself looking politicized that he didn't want to do it. Here's the problem. You literally wasted, should say, WASIC, because they got some great things done. But that first two years of the Trump administration, how many tens of millions

of dollars, how many CNN interviews, how many MSNBC broadcasts and shows devoted, purely to all the Mueller in Russia, Russia, Russia nonsense. How much money and time and effort was wasted into all of this? I mean, even this Mueller report in what we know it started it, it ultimately had the steel dossier, which helped to swirl up suspicion, but disproven.

You have all these alpha bank allegations that were used to swirl up suspicion, but disproven. You have all these alpha bank allegations that were used to swirl up suspicion. Now it's coming back, it's Susman's gonna be, have a nice custom fitted orange suit at a certain point here and that's good, he's probably not gonna like his time in a cell. But here's the thing, I think everybody is missing from this.

Who gave these guys their orders? Now we saw in the closing days of 2016, we saw Jake Sullivan. By the way, the current national security advisor we saw in the closing days of 2016, we saw Jake Sullivan. By the way, the current national security advisor for Biden in the White House wrote a memo about these alleged trump ties that Hillary then tweeted out and was talking about. We saw Hillary bringing up just before Halloween in 2016 with the whole Trump Russia connections or the alleged connections. So clearly, there's communication in the Clinton camp

Suspended was billing the Clinton campaign for his work Why it's nobody saying who gave him his orders who signed off on the approvals? What was the the chain of custody and chain of command for reporting that information back up? I think the the rotting fish here goes up out and off it's to the actual head, but I think it goes higher up. There's no way this is all just a assessment. You go on Obama, is that kind of where you're going?

Are you going Hillary? Are you going Biden to go on Obama? I don't know, but I know that this is not, Michael Sussman did not drive this entire thing by himself. Yeah, this is, well back to the Jake Sullivan. You're trying to get the tweet itself. But that's, I mean, jakes holven just make your bigger

is the national security advisor in biden's white house today here's crooked on uh... october thirty first on halloween twenty sixteen going to the statement uh... this memo the jakes holven put together and talking about the i mean where did this magically it's not like you just when we read it because everybody's been a specialist just read and make a

little bit statement from the Jake Solomon on the report exposed and Trump secret line of communication to Russia in response to a new report from state showing that the Trump organization has a secret server registered to Trump tower that has been covertly communicating with Russia Hillary for American senior policy advisor Jake Solomon released a follow-on statement Monday, this could be the most direct link between Donald Trump and Moscow. Computer scientists have apparently uncovered a covert server link, the Trump organization to a Russian-based bank.

The secret hotline may be the key to unlocking a mystery of Trump's ties to Russia. It certainly seems the Trump organization felt it had something to hide, given that it apparently took steps to conceal the link between it was discovered by journalistist topic communication may help explain Trump's bizarre iteration for Vladimir Putin and the worst of so many pro-Criminal positions throughout his campaign. It raises even more trouble in question. A lot of Russia's masterminding of hackling, hacking efforts that are clearly intended to hurt Hillary Clinton's campaign. I can't read that part there anyway. So, Hillary Clinton. The next line says we can only assume that federal authorities will now explore this

direct connection between Trump and Russia. Again, Jake Sullivan, now the National Security Advisor, he was the policy director for Hillary's campaign in 2016. National security advisor. What's going to happen to him? Well, that's why Jim Jordan's been going after him, saying, number one, we got it in Josh Hawley is also lit him up saying this guy, we got to make sure he doesn't have any connection with any DOJ investigations or anything that's going on because concerned about that he might go and try to scuttle things or try to cover it. I think Sullivan needs to be hauled up in front of Congress. I think law enforcement needs to talk to him.

I wouldn't know about every communication that Susman and Sullivan have had. That's where I don't get maybe this is what Derms are referring to. He's just being overly coy at this point. They need to be asking Susman, what exact communications was he having with Sullivan or anyone else on the K... crickets campaign so so to be fair Hillary responded yesterday when she was walking out of a car somebody said so what do you have any comments and German she didn't say anything right but that's what she tweeted and I actually want to read the article from vanity fair so uh... Hillary Clinton yesterday

trump and fox are desperately spinning up a fake scandal to distract from his real one so today that ends in why the more he misdeeds, the more his misdeeds are exposed, the more they lie. For those interested in reality, here's a good debunking of the latest response. Okay, go up a little bit before you click on that. Go up a little bit before. I don't see how many likes it got. Okay, for a tweet like that, okay? How many followers does Hillary have? Go click on her profile just to see how I'm just click,

yeah, 31 million followers, okay? Go up a little bit to show the tweet. Go up a little bit to show that tweet that she had up. Okay, maybe then just, okay, there you go. For somebody who have 30 million followers, for only 30,000 people to like your post, the biggest name that really set anything positive to a defender with Keith Obramann,

which Keith Obramann hasn't had credibility for a long time, but click on Vanity Fair. Click on Vanity Fair. Let's read the article. Let's read this article. It's not a long article, by the way. Okay, so let's see who wrote it. Go find out who wrote it.

Who wrote it? What's her name? Best 11? Do we know who best 11 is? No, but I like that Hillary had to revert to Vanity Fair to a Vanity Fair. Well, we know, we know, we know where, you know, Vanity Fair is.

At least, let's go, let me read the article, go a little lower. In the headline. You mean the headline, okay. In less breaking, oh, the headline. You'll never believe it, but Hillary did not, in fact, spy on Trump's White House. Okay, cool. Let's read it.

Uh, go lower. Let's read it. So make it a little bit bigger so I can see it from here. Imagine if you will, that a special counsel pointed about a federal government declared in a court filing that he had evidence that a major political figure, let's call her Hillary Clinton had paid spies to infiltrate the White House and run surveillance on Donald Trump in order to frame him as a foreign asset. The whole thing would be a big flipping deal, one for which there would be major, major consequences and far reaching, follow the country. The world would be gripped, gripped by the story

and for a reason, good reason, a former candidate for office spying on the president in the White House, and that would be crazy. And and you're right it would be crazy if something like that actually had happened which it didn't though unfortunately for some reason logic and the concept of the true Donald Trump foxes and various other deranged conservatives cannot be convinced of that yes as you've probably heard unsaturday the former president released a statement claiming that special donor he meant to say jendron but was apparently too angry to keep his johns and his robert straight but has uncovered indisputable evidence that my

campaign has presidency were spied on by operatives paid a hail or clinton campaign in effort to develop a completely fabricated connection to russia okay so far we don't have any details just opinion a scantiful graders in scope and magnitude and watergate for which trump suggested those involved should be executed but would settle for criminal prosecution the problem neither john in scope and magnitude and watergate for what Trump suggested those involved should be executed, but would settle for criminal prosecution. The problem, neither Robert Durham nor John Durham nor anyone else for that matter has actually provided evidence for such crime.

Let alone even suggested it. All right, so let's see what this says. When John Durham, the Trump Air Special Counselor and Vesigin, and the inquiry into Russia 26th Election in election interference father uh... pre-trial motion on friday night he slipped in a few extra sentences that set off a fewer among right wing outlets about perpetrated spying on okay on the long term narrative appear to be mostly wrong

get there's no explanation here the latest example began with the notion that mister uh... motion uh... mister dormous falls in case of michael a susman cyber security lawyer The latest example began with the notion that Mr. Dorm is falling against a Michael A. Susman cybersecurity lawyer with Lynx's Democratic Party. The prosecutor has accused Mr. Susman of lying during a September 26 meeting with the FBI official about Donald Trump's possible Lynx to Russia. The findings was, how do you pronounce that word? Ostensibly. Ostensibly about potential conflicts of interest, but it also recounted a meeting meeting at which Mr.

Susman had presented other suspicions to the government. And February, okay, so go down. Is there any more details than just to say it's not right? According to the filing, Susman's had gotten information from technology executive Rodney, Jaffy, which whose company, Newstar, had performed server-related work to the White House and Durham's estimation, Jaffy and his colleagues had exploited this arrangement by mining for the purpose of gathering the raw-gatory information about Donald Trump Fox News, took those lines from Durham's filing and ran with the claiming Durham had said that found the Clinton campaign had paid technology company infiltrate White House server, the lack of similarly baseless claims from the mainstream media let Trump to declare the press refuses to even mention the major crime that took place.

This is itself a scandal. The fact that the story is so big, so powerful, so I got it. So she's just saying in other words, I don't think anything was there. I don't see a detailed breakdown. Here's the thing, Hillary didn't say anything. Hillary just said that Vanity Fair went and disputed it and this is another day ending and why. It's not a denial from Hillary.

How do you read that? Well, I guess here's the question. And to your point, you said, hey, I wish this happened two years ago. What I'm asking is if Hillary was running again in 2024 and obviously we're speculating I don't think she's going anywhere, right? But then this would be a major story, right? Think of Benghazi think of the email think of the servers

He just thinks they could use against her, but if she's not running and You know we're talking about this Robert Durham, John Durham report. Is this a story that just kind of dies on the vine? Where's it going? Because there's no one to rail against. It's a Hillary Hillary. It's like, dude, we're in 2024. You're talking about 2016.

Where's the relevancy here? If she was still running, I could understand that. Why is that? The relevancy because a lot of this spying happened after the 2016 election. When you talk about Trump's White House, obviously that only happens after January 20, 2017, when he's inaugurated and he takes in. So it goes even beyond the 2016 campaign, then into ostensibly the 2020 campaign.

And the concern is with so much going on as far as hacking or government surveillance or monitoring, I want to know also how far did that go? So much going on as far as hacking or government surveillance or monitoring. I want to know also how far did that go? Did it just magically stop and say January, February of 2017? Did it go further? We saw this computer firm also worked for the Biden campaign. We want to make sure this never happens again from anybody that there's this is now again the digital snooping and spying.

I even have concerns even from the government. So I guess my question is this. I think it's a it's a two-part question. A is this important to figure out? Yes. This is clearly important. 66% of Democrats. Yeah, I know. Yeah, yes. Let's find out what happened here. Sure. Yeah. Unbiased, uncontrolled like let's figure out. But B, what relevancy does it have for future elections? Meaning is this help the Trump campaign get elected again in 2024?

Does this hurt? That's what I'm solving for. Because then the same question can be asked in a follow-on way. A, do we have to go back to 2016 when everybody was saying Russia, Russia, Russia? What? So we have to go back to 2016 when everybody was saying Russia, Russia, Russia. Do we have to find out if Trump was linked to Russia?

And M.B., but who cares if it did? What are we going to get out of it if we did find out? It's the same question, but everybody in the media wanted to know it. There's clips, if you want to do greatest hits, Don Lemon saying, all they talk about is a Durham investigation, Durham investigation, Durham investigation. It's out now. Rachel Maddow's like, everybody's relying on the Durham investigation, there's nothing, it's just a conspiracy theory.

Okay. Morning Joe, they keep talking about the Durham investigation, but there's nothing, they're relying on. They addressed this specifically head on on Morning Joe today. I don't know if you heard what they said, they had an expert come on and really sort of diffuse the argument. Something you should watch. Right.

And look, what I'm saying is this. Diffuse the argument meaning it's not a big deal. Exactly. And this was not on the news two days ago when I kind of was like, hey, what the hell is going on here? It's just, there's so much out there and there's only so much bandwidth someone can take. I'm saying from the mind of an individual voter. So how many people actually voted a certain way

because of Benghazi? Is it example? Maybe the emails? Especially when Komi came out and kind of said, it was a sloppy job. So tell you there are a couple of things here because it's not even just about, say, the pure partisan aspect, the Democrats. It's also about the media.

So why is Morning Joe out there doing it? Well, number one, they just, they're unbridled Trump hatred. Except when Joe and Mika were visiting us a couple days before the campaign in 2016, and where all buddies then, but now or not, but that's a whole nother conversation. But the fact that they have to go out there and essentially they hate Trump. So they want to go and say this isn't true. They want to defend themselves, knowing that they spent hundreds if not thousands of hours of doing broadcast,

saying Russia, Russia, Russia, we're going to get this guy. And when you go into some of the, especially the hyperbole that we saw, I mean, look, I was a CNN commentator in 2017 and 2018, how many Russia segments did I waste my life doing on CNN? And of course, we find out that it was all too many of these six on one panels to name.

So here's the thing, going forward, we gotta make sure that the media is held accountable, that they don't get completely snookered and take it down these rabbit holes on future things because as we saw from Russia, Russia, Russia, IE Mueller, impeachment one, impeachment two. If Trump runs again in 2024, which I think he does, they're gonna have the next Russia, Russia, Russia.

They're gonna have some next thing they come up with. Here is our chance to finally beat the orange man. We're gonna come up with some new crackpot thing that the media all goes running like lemmings. They don't go and actually do their own work. They just go out there and try to drive ratings and get clicks and We're gonna have the same thing happening again. Listen, it's it's a

This line What's the big deal? What's the big deal? What's the big deal with emails? Everybody does it? What's the big deal? Everybody does it? What's the big deals both sides of Metal and elections. What's the big deal? No, listen, the big deal is that the American people believe these guys can get away with murder literally. And if you want to have people have trust in the system, there's got to be accountability. Period. Left, right, middle. The part I was going to ask him with bar why why they didn't ask the question, why didn't they do the investigation? He said, the only thing is I wish I would have done this means investigation earlier and you were

talking about bar. You know where I went to I went to the area, maybe they didn't they do the investigation? He said, the only thing is I wish I would have done this in the investigation earlier and you were talking about a bar. You know where I went to? I went to the area, maybe they didn't want to do the investigation because they deep down a sighted out. Maybe there was some kind of connection to Russia. Do you know what I'm saying? I like the fear for bar was saying the internal voices, the bars on those fronts camp were like,

let's just kind of not do because what if there is? And we don't, you think they were drinking some of the big media cool, I don't know if they were or not. I'm not saying they were or not. All I'm saying is it was such an effective campaign that got his own side to believe it. Like imagine if everybody decides to go on a smear campaign

about you and we work together, right? And I've seen how you are for how many years now, three years of, you know, being around each other, I kind of know who you are, right? And they say and all of a sudden I'm like, yeah, maybe he is like that. Maybe he is this, maybe he is that. And I start second guessing based on what I've personally

with this from you, right? And I start buying it to that. The scary thing is if Trump's own camp started kind of talking beyond closed doors saying, maybe this guy did something with Russia. Would he even tell us, anyways, if he did, he probably wouldn't tell us if he did. He's so much about wanting to win.

So maybe Barr didn't want to investigate it. I don't know. Again, I never heard any of that. I'm not saying I'm right or wrong. Only thing is, if you were so certain that something was going on with spine, why the hell wouldn't you start earlier? Because I'm going to tell you, because Barr is, if you were so certain that something was going on with spine, why the hell wouldn't you start earlier? Because I'm going to tell you, because bar is keep mind, bar was attorney general before in the final days.

Bar's a beast. Yes, he was attorney general like 38 or 39, I want to say. So he's been a heavyweight. He's a heavyweight. Yeah. And he's been around for a long time. There is a, for many people in Washington who are Trump allies, at least or were Trump allies where there might be,

there's this push and pull of certain people really overthink and worry about other people are gonna say about them. Are they gonna be allowed with the McLean Country Club? What's gonna happen while it, and Bar lives in McLean? What happens when I'm, you know, go to these events and people see me at the parties? Are they gonna think that, oh, this guy's unhinged or he did something politically charged

Using his abused his government power for political reason. I think this was a he knew that something stunk He knew something was bad He didn't want it to happen 2020 become a campaign issue and he overthought this one and actually guess what it probably was a campaign Issue because of the spying went on into Trump's administration and he had to waste multiple years of his administration pushing back on these Russia rumors, it most certainly was a 2020 issue. That's where I would just, that's my thought. And how much credibility do you think John Durham has? I mean, he seems to be, I probably can't, I just, I don't know them. I think that my concern also too is that the longer we get past Trump leaving office,

the people start to say, why are we going back to something in the past? To your point, the erase, like, why does this matter now? Is this, okay, put the one person, but should we really be making a big deal? The longer you get away from it, the less likelihood there is of being true accountability. Yeah, I mean, listen, every day, for Ganoannon's how long everybody was watching the OJ trial case, right? OJ. OJ. OJ. Watching the OJ trial case, right? Okay. How long did that last? How many times the day was it on TV? How many hours did it was on TV? Biggest story of it. So let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question.

Why? Who cares? So let's take your position. Who cares? Whether you did it or not. Let's just, you know, who cares if you did the... How does that affect my life? Actually think about it. How did what OJ did to his ex-wife affect your life?

Think about that. But no, actually think about it. Directly? Directly. Directly? You know, you go down a slippery slope. But go to the murder to people. So probably one accountability.

So we are more concerned about holding citizens accountable than those who create laws and have control of the US government that we pay taxes to and it's okay. You're gonna have watching OJ every day. Of course we have to do that. But you're in a half of trying to catch the bad guy if there was any manipulation behind this with the government guys, we just got to move on. We just got to move on because OJ's trial was way more important than Hillary Clinton at this kind of stuff. No, to be clear, I think that's why I kind of get the two options.

You need to have some accountability. But does this move the needle move forward? I think it does. That's my only question. No, no, forget election. I don't even think election. Forget about the election. It's got nothing to do with election.

You know what it's gonna do? Here's what it's gonna do. It's gonna one, you know, get the next guy that's thinking about doing it to say, it ain't as easy as it used to be before. Kind of kick back guys, because the price is that big. And number two, what it's gonna do is, it's gonna get people to say, okay, you know,

all these guys that have been telling me that they're doing all this stuff for me and my favor. Yeah, you were full of shit, and I'm sorry, my vote matters a lot. And the same way, Barry Goldwater, what he did, he went after him, you know, four years later, the African-American vote went from 64% Democrat to 92% Democrat. Yeah, that was a consequence. The price had to be paid. And the American people today have to know because their vote matters today more than ever before. There's one other thing I'd also put a kind of a finer point on this. I think public trust in

government institutions is probably in all time low right now. I know trust in... It's definitely for congressmen, aspects of federal law enforcement, and obviously there are all sorts of concerns with elections and things like that. I think we need to make sure that the public has confidence that all aspects of law enforcement of national security type agencies that leaders who are in the White House, that they have that confidence of what actually, to what extent government power is being abused, to what extent the people who are writing laws, is this going to be allowed to happen again? Is this all essentially just, do we have people thrown the towel to say this whole system is rigged?

I think that's terrible for democracy. It's a big part of the reason why Trump won because people thought the whole system was rigged and it was stacked against people. And certainly look at stagflation, lack of wage growth over the last couple of decades and you'd say ever since NAFTA and you'd say that's definitely the case.

We have to do something here in the country to restore some aspect of trusting confidence because right now it's terrible. I mean, look, as someone who grew up is kind of the G-Men, the FBI. These are the good guys. I mean, I have a number of people I went to college with, for example, the one in the FBI. They're always like, the FBI, those are the good guys. Like, yeah, we're the ones who are stopping the bad guys.

But now what's happened over the last couple of years with the internal politics and seeing this world, people have many people that have a negative view of our law enforcement or some of these government agencies, and I think that's terrible. Are you even just the legal system as a whole, and we got to restore some of that trust? Yeah, I think I think I had the Gordon Chang-gon who lived in China for 20 some years, Lawyer, yeah.

And he says in 1980 something, there was only four law schools in China. And what the law does, it increases trust that people cannot be bullied. Now, I've paid, I don't know, in the last 12 years, 10 million hours to legal fees Not because of lawsuits, but because of contract this contract that contract this and every time you talk to a lawyer for 10 minutes That was a two-hour conversation here's 1200 bucks. So I have my own opinions about lawyers, but yeah, don't get started

The legal system The legal system Allows you to walk outside and feel safe The legal system allows me to drive into streets safer. The legal system allows me to have my kids go out and they're not around me. I'm not overly paranoid because I trust the legal system. There's a certain safety and security the legal system brings to you. They say many times women are with a man,

they want to feel secure and safe, right? When she sits next to you, you feel safe. You're like, okay, there's a certain safety that you're bringing to me, okay? That's a role that we got to play many times. I think that's a legal system, and I think the importance about this is, the American people are gonna say, okay,

there is a law long order in America. That's all there is. I've had one too many speeding tickets. I've deserved every one of them. My license has been suspended a couple of times. I was speeding. I deserved it. I'm not going to sit in the hotel.

I was and every time the cop, one time the cop pulls me over and he says, do you know how fast you were going? I said, yeah, much faster than you. You couldn't catch up. And he starts laughing. So what does it matter with you? I said, bro, I got so many tickets, man. What do you want?

If you're going to give it to me, give it to me, but I'm just having fun with you. He says, you know what? Is he always like this? And Jen's like, I'm so sorry, but he is. He's always like this. You know what? Just, can you slow down?

I'm like, I'm so sorry. He said, just go. And I left, never give me a ticket. Well, you didn't slow down. No, of course I didn't slow down. But I did slow down for five miles. You have to respect now. You have to, you have to respect your own ability. You've had to do a different lot of accountability.

I got pulled over for just like two years ago for talking to my cell phone, right? And the officer was like, why were you on your cell phone? Like, I was talking to the president. And he just looks at me and he's like, huh? And he's like, yeah, I was talking to the president. He's like, and then he kind of paused for me. And he's like, why did you choose a blue tooth?

Cause it was cutting out. And it's like, it was a president. So I had to like, you know, talk to him. And he's kind of paused. I'm an Arlington Virginia, right? So no, I got the ticket now that did give you the ticket. Yeah, that didn't help me. I had a ticket.

Yeah, I probably could have said what I should have said was like, I was on the phone with Hillary Clinton. Yeah, you know what? Oh, sorry. Can I escort you to your house? You're going to be safe. Exactly.

Sir, I was organizing the next Black Lives Matter forecast. And you may have been safer, especially where you're Exactly. Sir, I was organizing the next Black Lives Matter protest. And you may have been safer, especially where you're at. Yeah, I guarantee you myself. How do you believe you? Of course. You know, okay, buddy, sure. You're talking to the president.

Here's the ticket. Right. No. Well, did you hear about what happened with Remington and Sandy Hook? You heard about that? So let me read this story. It's pretty interesting what happened here. So what's stories in on? Number three, okay, here we go. So

San Diego family settled with Remington making first time gun maker held libel for mass shooting. This is an ABC news story. Remington arms agreed Tuesday's to settle liability claims from the families of five adults and four children killed in a massacre of San Diego Elementary School, according to a new court filing, marking the first time a gun manufacturer had been held accountable for mass shooting in the U.S. Remington agreed to pay the families

$73 million. Thoughts. Really, I'm worried about what this is going to lead to for the lawsuits against future lawsuits and settlements from gun manufacturers. This could be the first step in truly wiping out the Second Amendment in the United States. I get worried about the precedent that this has. Why would Remington agree, though? They must have made the calculation that they go to the courts and that they would lose even bigger.

But it's a slippery slope when you start going down that, down that path to hold manufacturers accountable for horrific, horrific murders of kids. Yeah, but they didn't, they just sold it, right? Because it says, the family's argued Remington negligently entrusted to civilian consumers and assault rifle that is assault style rifle that is suitable for use only by military and law enforcement personnel and violated, the Connecticut Unfair Trade Practices Act through the sale or wrongful marketing of the rifle. Well, I think it's what's interesting is they really jumped on the marketing component. So here's the deal.

They said marketing weapons of war, directly to young people, known to have strong fascination with fire emers, is reckless, and too many families know deadly conduct. Using marketing to convey that a person is more powerful and more masculine by using a particular type, or brand of fire, a fire emers deeply irresponsible, and then that's what you talked about, the Connecticut unfair trade practices

through the sale or wrongful marketing of the rifle. They keep using that term. But that's marketing. That's used the word marketing. But then that means you have to go sue every movie that had a gun in it that a kid watched. You have to go sue every half per vote. Go sue every half per vote.

Go sue every rapper for making GI Joe's. Yeah, go get 50 50 cent go go Go sue every rapper that talks about Cap, you know that talks about us. I'm happy, you know, so why would Remington settle? That's exactly the question because if they went to court They would have lost everything. Yeah, but yeah, but yeah, but I get that part. Why would they lose that part? No I you get jurors in there and it's it was you're talking about kids. They were killed. And so you get a jury together. It doesn't matter where in the country. People get really uncomfortable. Yeah. Rightfully so when they they see some horrific like that, but the precedent that's being set here, I mean, I saw that first thing. I thought was second amendment is cooked. They're just

they're going to basically wipe out domestic gun manufacturers. What you do is if I'm sorry go ahead finish your time. Oh, no, no, yeah. Yeah, what I was gonna say is so you know the good and the bad of lawyers is many times you'll sue and just because you're a headache somebody's gonna settle with you, right? But now guess what every lawyer is doing searching any shootings that's happened in the last five years, 10 years, and you're calling and saying, hey, did you see what Remington just got?

Let's go. 30% I get. You get the rest. If I get 50 million, I get 15 million, you get 35 million. You up for it? Let's go after them. Because they're selling cases left and right.

If this is a 73 million dollar case, over like seven years or whatever the amount of timeline is at their pain, what was it? Seven years, eight years, 10 years years some number that they're paying? This is gonna set the precedence for this to happen many many more times What I thought about on why they settled is if you did sell guns to an underage person Absolutely, this has to be the case if you did sell guns to somebody that you didn't follow the background check of that state, yes, absolutely.

But that's that's not Remington. That's the dealer of the arm. Is it not? That's the best. Yeah, it's a If a remington sold it directly is what I'm saying. But I thought it went through and I apologize on this. I thought it went through a dealer. It did. No, it did go through. So Remington, I mean, okay, so then why isn't that dealer? The person who actually sold it to him? That would be if someone turned a blind eye if there was some corner that was cut or something, that's not the manufacturer.

Let me use an analogy. Let's say you buy a Ford F-150 and you know, some psychopath runs for people. Or an escape in Wisconsin. Sure, yeah, and you run over somebody in a parade, whatever is the manufacturer to be blamed? The car manufacturer? This is very slippery.

Well, or as 99.9% of people are just gonna drive their car and not do that, or so. Because they're not after the vehicle industry, they're after the gun industry. I mean, this is some people might say that they are after the oil industry. Yeah, but Ford's already working to put in electric vehicles. I mean, we're gonna have all electric vehicles in California and several other states about

2035. I mean, this is specifically targeted at the gun industry. And as Jason said, they're trying to find loopholes to completely wipe out the second amendment. This is the one area where I don't argue with the families. I don't argue with the families. One of the kids' name is a name I like a lot, okay? I don't argue with the families. I don't even wanna wish this upon my own enemies for this to become a reality. So for them, yeah, everything to you in that mindset of a parent, totally get it. I fully understand it.

At all costs for anything that took your kid away, yes, fully understand the anchor, the rage, one million percent. Set that part aside. The other side is, if the strategy was ever to go after Second Amendment, this is a brilliant strategy to do, because it's going to scare the crap out of every gunmaker out there. If you're a gunmaker, I mean, you're basically looking right now saying, I don't even know how we can be domiciled in the US.

Yeah. We're cooked. I mean, that business is now cooked because it doesn't matter if it's Remington or Cole or Smith and Wesson or anyone else domestic gun manufacturers, they have the targets on them now. Let me ask this about AOC. Let's transition into Texas because obviously when you think guns, you think Texas, you think about a lot of that.

But AOC says it's inevitable that Texas will turn blue. This is an insider story. Okay. AOC made the claim Saturday during that Texas will turn blue. This is an insider story. AOC made the claim Saturday during the campaign staff for progressive candidates, Jessica Sennaro's and Greg Sassar, Kassar. Kassar is running for primaries for Texas 35, 35 congressional district against Democratic lawmaker, Lloyd Doggett. Sennaro's is running in the state 28 congressional district against another Democratic lawmaker, Representative Henry Sulaud. Here's what's exciting about Jessica's race and Greg's race, is that if we flip Texas,

we flip the country. Texas turning blue is inevitable, inevitable. It will happen. The only question is when, CEDAOC, we are going to fight for living wage as a minimum wage. We're going to make sure we unionize the hell out of the state. We're going to make sure that we confront corrupt industries and lobbyists and big money, said AOC. Will that ever happen?

In Texas. It's not in the way that she's thinking. For a simple fact that I think Democrats, as I said earlier, have done such damage to themselves with Latino and Hispanic American communities. I mean, I'm all left to remember 20 years ago when people said that Florida was going to go blue Who would never come back? Look at the diversity that we have in Florida. Look. We have all these people from the central and South American countries people coming from Africa and other

countries from all over the world. There's no way that's going to just stay this this red state. Well, guess what? Many of the people who are coming to Florida support freedom. They support democracy Who are people to your point earlier about laws? One of who really respects laws in America immigrants. Why? Because in some of the countries where they came from, they didn't have the rule of law. That was something that maybe they had in America.

So the success story that you've seen with Latinos and Hispanic Americans in Florida, I think also the damage of Democrats have done in Texas will make it tougher. Now, obviously, they're not monolithic communities. So, we have not had the same movement. They haven't had quite the same movement with, say, Mexican Americans. We have, say, Cuban Americans. But I think AOC's taking a little too much of a tunnel vision on this one. I don't think it's quite accurate. Could at some point a Democrat win in the state of Texas? I mean, you can never say like never.

That's indefinitely the rest of it. But do I think that the state's ultimately going to trend to become blue? Not necessarily, not with the way that Democrats have turned a blind eye to it. But it has been trending in that direction. Yes. But what has changed in trends are tough to break. But what has changed the trend is the Democrats embrace of BLM. And you look at that Rio Grande Valley seat that flipped. It was a very strongly

Democratic seat that we won along with Trump in 2020. Here's the thing. I was on the phone yesterday with along with President Trump. We were talking to someone who will just say they're a high up in congressional stuff. And we're talking to them about Texas. There's a seat. There's a Democrat plus 10 district plus 10, usually like the three to five range, even on a good year. Maybe it's in play. Maybe if there's a kind of a title wave, D plus 10 that Republicans are targeting in the reason being because they think that Hispanics are going to flip so much against Biden and against the Democrats that it's actually in play That dynamic, but what I don't know is how much of that is kind of the city is that in

Be honest with they don't remember the exact way we look at the map of Texas you look at any major city that they voted blue Dallas Houston, San Antonio Well, Adam look at look at this bottom right here on the map on the TV It's all blue right what is that right up against it's up against the border St Antonio. Well, Adam, look at this bottom right here on the map on the TV. It's all blue, right? What is that right up against? It's up against the border. We're having, we're gonna have two plus million immigrants come into the country this year alone.

Imagine this keeps going. Hispanics do not like, Hispanics live here don't like illegal immigration because they know what it does to their jobs. They know what it does to their wages, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. When does that map from? This is from 2020.

This is before the immigration. This could, it'll be interesting to see what happens in 2022. It's a lot of red right there, but we'll see. But look at the popular vote. I mean, it's neck and neck. It's eight, six percentage points. Yeah, I mean, even one betta went against Ted. I watched at the bait.

I mean, I was a close call between those two guys. And Ted should have lapped the guy. Yeah, and Beto just flipped his stance on guns on second amendment because he understood that it was close. He thinks he can win Texas. They think they can flip Texas, but 2022 Texas is gonna be a bell weather.

He's got to be. You can never say never, but in the short term, Lisa next two, four years, I don't see it moving as fast as AOC would like. I think AOC maybe, she probably has better success in South Florida. She likes South Florida, like hanging out.

She likes South Florida a lot. A lot. Well, you would agree if Texas flips, that really hurts for probably the chances of one of the questions. Yes, but- Is there no small little, well, right? Right, but it's not

as your finish. It's not in a vacuum. You look at the way that say Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania have all shifted further to the right in the last two presidential races. Those have not been contested states in some 20, 25 years. And now they're viewed as toss ups. So the blue wall that Florida got two more Republican other way, just so you know, Florida went up two more Republican which means the Florida state matters more now than it did a year ago two years ago three years ago four years ago it's going to go in the direction of those who like to be free those who like to have jobs those who like to pay low taxes those who

like to be left alone those who like crypto with the guys we had at the house yesterday till God knows one time talking about meta and NFTs and all this different things. Florida's got some good strategies, good things going for themselves. I just hope Texas fights to keep that going because I think I wanna say 51 or 52 of Fortune 500 companies headquarters is in that state. That's a lot of states.

The only one beating them is New York City. New York's the only state that has more Fortune 500 companies headquarters than it does there. I think Silicon Valley is competing for that as well with Texas. Anyways Jason, this has been a blast. Thank you so much for coming out. Can you do me if you ever put a link to getter below for people that want to learn more about getter?

Put it both in the comment section as well as in the chat section so people can go check it out for themselves and maybe join and see you know experience it for yourself and we'll go from there Jason again. Thanks for coming out buddy. Appreciate you. Take care.