PBD Podcast - “South Africa's Economic Genocide" - Entrepreneur Rob Hersov SLAMS Corrupt Gov't, Zuma & Racist Laws

Starting point is 00:00:00 I'm putting myself at risk here by the way. We've got lunatics running the asylum. What can you tell us about him? President Cyril Ramaphosa complete gangster rogue villain So have you spent any time with Elon Musk? South African government said to Elon Musk if you want to bring Starlink to South Africa You've got to give 30% of your business to a black person and we'll tell you who I'm not said this Jacob Zuma says it. It's a government policy. We get poorer every year. The country is falling apart.

Starting point is 00:00:29 With youth unemployment at 61%. Highest in the world. How? South Africa is Germany in the early 1930s. They're pushing anti-white racism and socialism by the day. And let me give you the worst of it. Tell me more These are the things these as he is saying publicly with hundred thousand people in the stadium This is kill the bull one farmer one bullet. We will slit the throat of whiteness It's from South Africa and you think it's a fraud what they did to diamonds

Starting point is 00:01:00 The beers is sitting on a mountain of unsold diamonds the best short in the world And you say you're minimalist It's a diamond. De Beers is sitting on a mountain of unsold diamonds. The best short in the world. Enjoy it. You say you're minimalist. Don't you have a 30 million dollar property like in Dubai or something, like a vacation property? Or no? Okay, so we like three things. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha I'm the one Did you ever think you would make it

Starting point is 00:01:32 Adam what's your point? The future looks bright My handshake is better than anything I ever signed right here You are a one on one? My son's right there You are a one-of-one? The sun's right there. I think I've already said this before. Okay, so there's a lot of news about South Africa today.

Starting point is 00:01:52 And so happens we have a very special guest here with us, Robert Herzog from South Africa. Three fun facts before we get started. Number one, he's had three hole-in-ones in golf. Number two, he was the first director on Fiji Water. Okay, first director on Fiji Water, okay, first director when Fiji Water came out, he was on the board. And number three, the movie Fantastic Mr. Fox,

Starting point is 00:02:12 he is the helicopter pilot. It's great to have you on the podcast. What a start. Yeah. Can you do this every time? Thank you, Peter. Well, hopefully Katie's gonna watch and say, oh my God, I'm married to a fricking stud.

Starting point is 00:02:22 I wish she'd realize that. Well, she's gonna to know after this podcast. So, okay, so for the average person, when you think about countries, you know, we all know a little bit about China. We all know a little bit about, you know, India, what's going on. Okay, we know a little bit about Germany, maybe more. We know something about, everybody knows a lot about America. South Africa, I don't know.

Starting point is 00:02:46 While we're doing this, everything that's going on, you're seeing Elon Musk on the show, a couple of his tweets, he's saying, we gotta stop racism in South Africa, but it's racism against whites and all this stuff. And with the 50, we got a lot of things that we'll talk about there. But before doing that, do you mind taking a minute and just kind of share with the audience your background so they know who you are and what you've done? Sure. I was born in 1960 in Johannesburg, South Africa. I'm a fifth generation South African.

Starting point is 00:03:10 My mother's side came from England and Scotland and the relative that came to South Africa was in the British Army and he finished the Indian Rebellion and came to South Africa to retire. And my father's family escaped Eastern Europe and Russia and ended up in Cape Town. And I was born into a very wealthy family because my grandfather and his buddy and business partner

Starting point is 00:03:33 founded a company called Angloval, which in the 60s, 70s, and 80s was one of the top five mining industrial companies in South Africa. And I've had every privilege known to man, but I believe that I've taken advantage of every opportunity given to me. And I'll give you a quick potted bio. I can do this really quickly so it wasn't boring. So I was at school in University in South Africa and then I spent two years as an infantry officer in the South African Defense Force in the apartheid era.

Starting point is 00:04:11 And I left when this is what this is a 90s 83 84 83 84. In other words, South Africa did a major invasion of Angola in 85. And you're in at that time. Well, no, I'd finished by I've done my two years and I was an infantry officer. And then I came to America went to Goldman Sachs on Wall Street for two years, Harvard Business School, then worked for Rupert Murdoch as his right-hand man in New York literally literally I carried his bag I went to every meeting I helped write speeches how did you get introduced to him by your family know that story yeah I do I was dating a gorgeous redhead and I hadn't got a job lined up for everyone had done these interviews American redhead or South African redhead Okay, you'll credit. Yeah gorgeous good and they're crazy though, but that's a different. Yeah

Starting point is 00:04:51 This is good. This is good crazy And she said what are you gonna do off to business school? I said, I don't know I'd like to get into the media business and she said oh you should meet Stan Schuman He runs Alan. He's one of the Allen and company heads. This is remember. This is 1989 I Had the most extraordinary interview With Stan wait, I went to see Stan Schuman Alan company Stan said you you're Rob. You want to be in the media business I'm a media investment banker. So you're in the wrong place. You need to actually

Starting point is 00:05:24 consider News Corp and I'm on the actually consider News Corp. And I'm on the board of News Corp. He was at the time. And I'm going to introduce you before you meet Rupert, you need to meet John Evans. He's the visionary. I haven't said a word, by the way. I've said hello, I haven't said a word. So he calls the secretary says call John Evans said tell her, you know, tell John I'm sending Rob herself, South African to see him gave me the address. I shook his hand left haven't said a word Walked down to harpers and harper collins, which earned my new score as I walk in There's a stringy-haired gray older guy who goes before you say anything. Let me tell you

Starting point is 00:05:56 I'm a reformed alcoholic and drug addict and I'm marrying a girl half my age I almost dropped on my knees and said i'm your man But I still haven't said hello yet. And he starts telling me about the future of the media business. He goes, you know, in supermarkets, What year is this? 1889. So in supermarkets, I'm following. I'm still at Harvard Business School. So he says, in supermarkets, the fish need to be in the chips.

Starting point is 00:06:18 And he's talking about these weird things. For 20 minutes, he talks, I still haven't said a word. And he said, well, if you want to work for News Corp, you've got to meet Rupert. So hold on. He calls Rupert, says, I've got this guy, Rob, from South Africa, Harvard MBA. Yeah, sorry about that. Yeah, he can come and see you right now. Gives me Rupert's address, 1211 6th Avenue. Sends me.

Starting point is 00:06:41 Still haven't said a word in my interview. Get to Rupert, walk in walk in he goes you must be Rob I go yeah, please sit down Rob, what do you think the future of the media industry is and I go? Technology and he goes no it's content And he spoke for 15 minutes about why content which was correct, and then he said okay, you're hired What are you gonna? Do for me? I've said one word three interviews. I've got a job Just because of Stan because of this is the redhead

Starting point is 00:07:10 So this redhead why is this redhead so trusted because her father and Stan were best friends So she she got me the interview. He assumed I went to Harvard Business School Goldman Goldman military, South Africa. So when you work with Rupert, what was he like to work with? And how much time did you spend with him? Every day. How was he like to work with?

Starting point is 00:07:31 So what I do is- Because right now what I just did is 1989 network, Rupert Murdoch, at the time was 725. So he's known, he's a power player, but Fox News hasn't yet started, right? So I spent two and a half years with him, and he'd behand me, everybody wanted to get in front of Rupert Murdoch. So they'd all be going, Rupert, could you look at this opportunity, this deal? He'd have a pile of decks and things on his desk with a little note of who gave it to him.

Starting point is 00:07:58 And then every Monday morning, he'd kind of have a look and he'd say, this guy's an idiot, throw them in the bin. And then you go, okay, this guy's an idiot throw them in the bin and then you go Okay, this guy's important read that you give me three business plans every Monday And I'd have to come back and on Friday have to present them to him he'd asked me three to five questions on each one and Immediately know the value how to fit into his empire if he was interested this is about buying those companies You know investing those companies in those days Christian music was taking off, but country music was barely known. And this guy, Jim Garcia, I can't remember, I believe I remember the name, from Nashville had sent this buy into country music TV.

Starting point is 00:08:37 I did the analysis, presented to Rupi, he asked me five questions and he went, he used to rub his forehead and he said, offer them $30 million dollars not a cent more if they don't take it Move on it's now worth many billions And he could analyze things that quickly He was also a real man of the people he talked to the elevator guy He talked to that in those days. We just walked on get a was he charismatic Charismatic funny decent charming common Charming, but not interested in money, not interested in important people.

Starting point is 00:09:14 He was interested in humor and being successful and building his business. What were three to five questions he would ask? I wish I'd written him down. Oh geez, I wish I'd written him down. and so I spent two and a half years with him And then he said to me when he ran into trouble he tried to buy Time magazine Remember they did the work merger with Warner. He was running into big financial troubles then and he said to me Okay, you need to go with Barry Diller to LA and work with him on setting up the Fox Network With Barry Diller to LA and work with him on setting up the Fox Network

Starting point is 00:09:51 So you were there when that whole deal was being being done the time Warner mess the Hills were you ever on Roger Ailes? I didn't meet Roger never met Roger He was after me because he come it came in from where you around Rupert's kids the boys not as much They were pretty young got it. Yeah,. So, Rupert, you know, when you were with him, you're the most important person in the world. He'd concentrate, listen. And I remember one story he told me. Can we go off a piece here? Sure, of course. We went to an icon, I can't remember who, somebody's 80th birthday in this expensive 60th, you know, 60th, Sixth Avenue, Fifth Avenue apartment. We walk in and Rupert says, I'm gonna give you a life lesson.

Starting point is 00:10:27 See those people walking towards me as quickly as they can? They're the guys who wanna sell me something. But if you look in the corner, there's two guys talking to the host's children. They're the people you need to talk to. They've made it in life. Isn't that interesting? Wow. The people that are running to come to me. Isn't that interesting? Wow.

Starting point is 00:10:45 The people that are running to come to me. Are trying to sell me something. Trying to sell me something. But the people that are talking to. They're interested in what the host's kids are doing. Those are the ones that have made it in life. Talk to them. They'll be the most interesting ones.

Starting point is 00:10:57 Very interesting. Very interesting perspective. And he was nice to the common man. If the queen had offered him a knighthood, he would have turned it down. He wasn't interested in that stuff. He and Elon Musk, I'm a libertarian conservative Judeo-Christian, he and Elon Musk, we owe an eternal debt of gratitude to. Because Rupert came in with Sky Television, Sky News, Fox TV,

Starting point is 00:11:25 the New York Post, and he captured the center center right, free market capitalist, Judeo-Christian, part of American's media. And Elon did the same thing when he bought Twitter and turned it into X. And so one is from Australia, one is from South Africa. There we go. So have you spent any time with Elon Musk?

Starting point is 00:11:43 I met him once at SpaceX, Okay, a 20-minute meeting Was that like it was? extraordinary Because his assistant said look your South African will give you the lunch slot, but it's only 20 minutes 20 minute meetings He arrived on the second and I said well, we better order lunch He's never ordered already turned up and then he spoke about Tesla and the problems he was having and it was 15 years ago and

Starting point is 00:12:10 At with two minutes to go. I knew it was 20 minutes in he leaves I said Elon, how can I help you and he looked at me in this weird way anyway? No one's ever asked me that question And he said okay if you hear or hear or see me do anything stupid, let me know, because I get no feedback. If you hear or see me do anything stupid, I get no feedback. Tell me, because I get no feedback.

Starting point is 00:12:35 It's funny, because one kid who's a YouTuber, brilliant kid, goes and visits his SpaceX, gives him one feedback on things. Have you heard about the story? No. One kid goes, gives them one small feedback on what to do Elon invites him down takes him and shows him and says look at the change that we made based on a feedback that you gave because he saw a video of this guy it's a very Rob do you know the story or no no I'm looking for it now. Yeah, it's a very fascinating story of...

Starting point is 00:13:07 But Elon's attention to detail, he cares. He's extraordinary. And I just say thank you Rupert, thank you Elon. YouTuber's question made Elon Musk completely rethink SpaceX rocket. The YouTuber Everyday Astronaut was on a tour of the SpaceX starbase facility. He asked a very intelligent question and certainly gave Elon Musk pause for thought and opportunity to fix his vital error. This is a year ago, a year and a half ago. What's the question Rob? Let's see if we can find it. The person who realized he made a vital error, the intelligent everything else about him, was asked that exactly right time for the billionaire to

Starting point is 00:13:41 realize that his error and crucially correctly, you don't even need a coal gas thruster system. You already have hot gas says Musk, but this is only for the billionaire to realize that his Aaron crucially correctly you don't even need a coal gas Thruster system you already have hot gas says Musk, but this is only for the booster right Tim asked go a little bit lower and Appearing deep in thought the spacex founder and CEO replies Arguably now you mentioned it it might be wise to do this for the ship, too We're gonna fix that and it's not the first time Musk has taken on project feedback. Tim was visiting SpaceX Starbase in 2021, however, upon being invited back, more than six months later, it was revealed SpaceX chief Elon Musk that his question led to vital changes. Wow. I mean, this is, this is... Extraordinary guy.

Starting point is 00:14:18 Yeah. There's a story about Sam Walton. It's a great book called Made in America, where Sam, you know, is going all over the world looking at all the markets that are being made, and he pays close attention. And one day he's at this place in Europe, and a lady comes in and says, you know, what are you looking for? So I'd like to find this. So let me get one of my associates to help you. He says, what did you call your co-worker?

Starting point is 00:14:38 Associates. Great, we're going to call our employees associates. Then there's these two business partners from Brazil who are in the same business as he is. They come to visit Sam Walton. He picks him up on a truck. All day they spend time with Sam Walton. He says the entire time, Sam kept asking us questions of what we were doing in Brazil that was working out.

Starting point is 00:14:56 By the time it was done us spending time with them, we didn't learn anything about Walmart, but he learned everything about what we were doing and we went back to Brazil. That's Rupert Murdoch. Got it, makes sense to me. So we'd be riding in a cab because we hop in a cab now and again in those days.

Starting point is 00:15:08 And he'd ask the cab driver, what newspaper do you read? Which page do you turn to first? He'd absolutely ask. Curious. Ask curious. So South Africa. I'll give you quickly my bio. Please, go for it.

Starting point is 00:15:21 And I'll do this really, really fast. So you're a billionaire. You made a lot of money. In Rand. In Rand. In Rand. Yeah, and the Rand's depreciating. Which is how much in ours?

Starting point is 00:15:31 Used to be one to one in the 70s, but now it's 20 to one. 20 to one. Okay, got it. So you've made money. You've made money. You've done okay for yourself. I founded Marquee Jet in Europe.

Starting point is 00:15:42 I built a big business, sports media internet business in Europe, which failed. So I had a lot of learnings there. I sold MarqueeJet Europe to NetJet, was vice chairman of NetJet. I'm still a senior advisor to VistaJet. I love the aviation business. And then I've done some very big deals.

Starting point is 00:15:56 I owned a third of Air Berlin. And I just won a very big license this morning. What's the? A betting exchange in South Africa. You're the first. I'm the first. Get out of here. Yeah, so Betfair in Australia

Starting point is 00:16:08 is the most profitable business in Australia. We have just won the license to the same. That's a big deal. Yeah, and I've done a whole lot of other things. I see you've got a lot of sports teams here. I love rugby, so I'm gonna have to get you a Springbok shirt, but I owned Vicenza Culture in Italy. I'm the first foreigner to buy a football team in Italy.

Starting point is 00:16:25 I owned it for two years. How was that? It was, well, it was one of those businesses that had a tiny profit, a tiny club. And Vicenza, if you're driving in Italy from Milan to Venice, you could have passed Verona. And there's one little turnoff to Vicenza, which no one notices. You go straight on to Venice. I owned little turnoff to Vicenza, which no one notices you go straight onto Venice I and Vicenza culture Vicenza football club and the only piece of silver where they ever won was a month after I bought it They won the Italian Cup beating Napoli 1-0 Wow, but now today

Starting point is 00:16:59 Every restaurant I go to in London Italian restaurant. They go mr. President So, what do you know about the Trenmere Rovers? Not much, I don't follow football. I was trying to be selfish, you're trying to get a little bit of business counsel to see if you know anything about them. But a final quick thing, so I've done lots of entrepreneurial things, investors,

Starting point is 00:17:17 and after 31 years of living in America, Europe, and mainly the UK, I decided to go back to South Africa in 2017. I read that. 31 years of six. Why did you go back? And people are going the other way. They're leaving in droves.

Starting point is 00:17:31 Yeah, there's brain drain that's taking place over there. Huge. I went back because I looked at my wife in the eyes and said, my parents are still alive. My father's 99 this year, mother 90, 91. Wow. We're still, our name is still reasonably well known in South Africa, being industrial family and I want to go home, I'm homesick. But we'll only go home for two to three years because Jacob Zuma, the president at the

Starting point is 00:17:54 time, is going to destroy, is destroying the country. Let's go back, show our kids, see South Africa and then leave. And what I'm not gonna do is get involved in politics or invest in anything in South Africa that has any long-term horizon or involves the government. That makes a lot of sense. So you say... So what did I do? No, but wait a minute. You just said the president of South Africa is destroying the country and that's why I'm going back for two to three years, but I'm not gonna get involved in politics. That makes a lot of sense, Robert. Yeah, I really stuck to that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

Starting point is 00:18:28 So why is he destroying the country and how is he destroying it? So I'll give you a quick part of history. In 1994, apartheid ended, and the country and government was handed over peacefully to the majority, the black majority. And for 12, 14 years, South Africa was actually a success story.

Starting point is 00:18:47 It was the miracle democracy, the miracle story. The West said, we've won, we've saved South Africa, there's democracy. And the country grew at three, four, 5% a year. There was meritocracy, there were black, white, colored Indian people in all the jobs, and everything was going well. In 2008, the rot began. So there was Mandela,

Starting point is 00:19:07 Mbeki and then President Jacob Zuma, complete gangster, rogue, villain. He's a gangster? Jacob Zuma? He's the gangster and he instituted a thing called state capture. All our state owned enterprises, railways, electricity supply, South South African Airways he put loyalists in place whose only job was to steal and Hundreds of billions of Rand were stolen and Offshored and that was when the country begin began its decent Into potential economic collapse. This is in 08. This is 08-09 till 2017.

Starting point is 00:19:48 So state captures a type of systemic political corruption in which private interests significantly influence a state's decision making processes to their own advantage. The term was first used in World Bank in 2000, describing certain Central Asian countries making the transition from Soviet communism where small corrupt groups use their influence over government officials to appropriate government decision-making in order to strengthen their economic positions. Okay

Starting point is 00:20:13 so 2008-2009 he's doing this. He begins it. He begins it. And they remove all the middle-class small town big city employees who for decades have been handling maintenance of the local sewage plant. All those jobs that the smaller people in smaller jobs do day to day to keep the economy going. And they put ANC, their government, loyalists in place, who had no competence and who ended up stealing and breaking. Every one of our state-owned enterprises either bankrupt or stolen to death as of today.

Starting point is 00:20:55 But in 2017, the ANC elected a new president because they had over 50% of the votes, President Cyril Ramaphosa, who everyone believed would save the country. He's been just as bad as Zuma. And he arrives tomorrow to meet President Donald Trump. He arrives tomorrow to meet President Donald Trump. Yeah, he said he was negotiating with the president. So tomorrow might, if it's recorded, tomorrow might be in the past. That's right. Yeah, so

Starting point is 00:21:29 So now how do you feel about him versus Jacob Zuma? Jacob Zuma was fundamentally evil and malevolent He's like a populist clown Dangerous and he's trying to come back into power and he'll be way way way more dangerous if he does Cyril Ramaphosa is now head of the ANC and he was a trade unionist He was one of the first South African black billionaires. He has the McDonald's franchises in South Africa He understands the mining industry. He's the kind of guy you would actually like having a meal with, like talking to. But he's like a pillow.

Starting point is 00:22:08 He takes the shape of the last person that sat on him. He'll tell you what you want to hear, then he'll meet trade unionists, tell them what they want to hear, and so on and so on. Have you met him before? I've met him, but I refused. He's trying to meet me. I refuse to meet him. Zuma or the existing president? I've spoken to Zuma and I've met Ramaphosa. They're both equally bad because what they've done over the last 14 years is institute racism,

Starting point is 00:22:36 anti-white, anti-colored, anti-Indian racism, socialism and their government has been kleptocratic and ineptocratic. So on one hand stealing, on the other hand completely incompetent. They have deindustrialized our country and we are growing at 1% economic growth and our population growth is 2%. What does that mean? We get poorer every year. The country is falling apart because of the ANC. Yeah, I'm looking at some data here. Since South Africa's GDP has stagnated, averaging 0.8% annually from 2012 to 2022.

Starting point is 00:23:13 Again, 2008, 2009, Jacob Zuma gets in. Compared to 4.8% the previous decade, 94 to 04, unemployment reached 33.5% in 2024 with youth unemployment at 61%. Highest in the world. Highest in the world. How? By complete incompetence and malevolence, evil. They're pushing anti-white racism and socialism by the day.

Starting point is 00:23:43 And let me give you the worst of it. We have a policy called Black Economic Empowerment, BEE. The reason Starlink isn't in South Africa yet is because the South African government said to Elon Musk, if you want to bring Starlink to South Africa, you've got to give 30% of your business to a black person and we'll tell you who. I mean that's- Who said this, Jacob Zuma? Our government says this.

Starting point is 00:24:06 It's a government policy. So whatever business you're running, I'm doing a hundred million dollars here, I built this thing myself, I have to give it to a black person, 30 percent of it, and they pick and choose who it is. If you're dealing with, if you have any dealing with the government, if you have any dealing with the South African government. So if I have a government contract and I'm doing business with them, 30% of the ownership of the company

Starting point is 00:24:28 needs to go to a black person that they choose. Or that you choose that's acceptable to them. Or that you choose that is acceptable to them. But in most cases these people. I say it's Rob. Rob is a black person in South Africa, let's just say. And you say, no, Rob is not good. Then I say Humberto, and Humberto's a black person.

Starting point is 00:24:46 You say, yeah, we'll approve that one. That's how it works. And they don't have to put any money up. You effectively have to fund it. It is- Is this a law? It's a law. It's like, if he searches it, he'll find it.

Starting point is 00:24:57 Type in BEE, or Broad Based Black Economic Empowerment, BBBE, have a look, South Africa. And it's getting worse. They're trying to institute a law of any private company of 50 or more employees has to have BEE, whether you work with the government or not. So like a real estate agent. This is currently on the table.

Starting point is 00:25:20 But I'll give you one worse law than this. What's that? You ready for these three words? words I do tell me what this means to you and it's been signed in January expropriation without compensation Unpack would you invest in this country that says we can expropriate Not just your land not just your minds the watch of your arm and your house, without compensation, if it's in the public interest. What's the interest incentive for me? Well, you'll never invest in South Africa with a law like that. No, why would I do that?

Starting point is 00:25:54 You wouldn't. Why would I invest anymore in South Africa? I won't. Foreign direct investment has dried up. And our government, our moronic ANC government continues to institute Donald Trump is angry with South Africa I mean it's amazing we've even made his priority list because he calls South Africa DEI as a country it is racist and socialist and destructive and everybody's suffering now let me ask you to stay on this because we can go in two different directions.

Starting point is 00:26:27 You're getting me fired up here. No, I love this because I'm looking at foreign direct, Rob, can you pull up foreign direct investment in South Africa, history of foreign direct investment in South Africa? Year over year, I wanna take a look at this. Foreign direct investment in South Africa, year over year.

Starting point is 00:26:42 Did you find BEE on that? I'm gonna go back to that as well. The one thing that I I saw that in 2023 it was 96.5 billion. In 2022 was 151 billion. So dropped 50% in one year is what it is. What is foreign direct investment South Africa in 2024? FDI South Africa 2024. I need a Rob. Yeah, Rob is very good at what he does. Has he acted in Game of Thrones, Lord of the Rings? He has. You should give him a double-headed ax and a white horse.

Starting point is 00:27:17 I mean, that's how I see him. Okay, so Q1, for example, FDI for example, for 24 billion, and Q2 was 16 billion, Q3, did they show you what it is in 2024? I'm looking at the same thing you're looking at right now. Be curious in what the numbers. So, okay, sometimes I'm thinking about some flows of seven and a half billion Rand, which is falling in Q4,

Starting point is 00:27:38 making a turnaround from 3.2 billion. Okay, money's not coming in in 2024. And people are leaving. Yeah. And the economy's half, as growing at half the rate that population growth is growing. We have one of the highest murder rates in the world. Now one of the highest rape rates in the world.

Starting point is 00:27:56 And remember, most rapes aren't reported. So the reported rapes are one of the highest in the world. We have load shedding, which means you have intermittent electricity, sometimes six hours a day of no electricity. How do you run a country on that? And it's because the ANC has broken and stolen all of our state-owned enterprises.

Starting point is 00:28:18 They're destroying the country. The ANC is. Okay, so Rob, can you type this in on Google? Type in B-BBEE, South Africa, 30 you type this in on Google? Type in B-B-E-E, South Africa, 30%. Just type in 30%, there you go, percent. So if you zoom in a little bit, you're gonna see what it says right there. In South Africa,

Starting point is 00:28:35 broad-based black economic empowerment framework, a 30% target is commonly used for black ownership in specific sectors for certain compliance requirements. This target is particularly prominent in sectors like telecommunication, broadcast, and post. It also applies to large companies aiming. But does this mean the ownership target is the one I'm looking at? In many cases the 30% target refers to black equity ownership in a company. This means that at least 30% of the company shares or equity must be held by black individuals. The 30%

Starting point is 00:29:02 target is often seen in sectors like telecommunication, broadband. Okay, so they announced this. How many businesses have to give up 30%? Or is it just for startups? No, it's most of the big corporates. They went to the big corporates and they said, you gotta give 30% of it to one black person? Or a group of black people, or a SPV of black people.

Starting point is 00:29:24 What did that cost people? And this is Jacob Zuma. Well, it actually began even earlier. And it was seen as an element of transformation of the economy. And all the corporates accepted it at that time. We've got a transformer economy. We've got to bring the broader black population in.

Starting point is 00:29:41 But all they did was benefit 1,000, 2,000 elites. What would have been smarter would have been to give 30% of your business to your employees and empower them. And that never happened. So we've got these black billionaires, they're all listed if you want to hear their names, who Cyril Rampeau is one of them, who were handed billions of dollars on day one to just participate in these businesses. Have a look at him, what he owns.

Starting point is 00:30:12 Cyril, a dreadful, dreadful president. There are very few things that you can be certain of in life. But you can always be sure the sun will rise each morning. You can bet your bottom dollar that you'll always need air to breathe and water to drink. And of course, you can rest assured that with Public Mobile's 5G subscription phone plans, you'll pay the same thing every month. With all of the mysteries that life has to offer, a few certainties can really go a long way. Subscribe today for the peace of mind you've been searching for.

Starting point is 00:30:43 Public Mobile. different is calling. I just tapped on black billionaires in South Africa, Patrice Moceppe. And he's Cyril Ramaphosa's brother-in-law. He is Cyril's brother-in-law. And his mining company was our family mining company. And they took it away or they bought it? We sold it. We sold it to him. Yeah, and then in the mid 90s, we moved out of mining. And they took it away or they bought it? We sold it.

Starting point is 00:31:05 We sold it to him. Yeah, and then in the mid 90s, we moved out of mining and industry. And who is he? Is he somebody that's respected, Patrice Modsepi? I like him. To his credit, he was the first African to join the giving pledge.

Starting point is 00:31:19 Buffett's, you know, give away a third of your wealth when you die to charity. He was the first African to do it, to his credit. He's a nice, charming man, but he's Cyril's brother-in-law and he's never stood up like most South African corporates have never stood up against the ANC. Let's stay on Jacob Zuma a little bit. What is this story I hear about Jacob Zuma?

Starting point is 00:31:41 Did he have an accusation of having AIDS and he raped someone and then he said he says after I raped him it was unprotected but I showered so I should be clean yeah there's a cartoon is this a joke or is this no it's real there's a cartoonist in South Africa those did cartoons of Jacob Zuma with a shower head coming out of his head these are the people running our country this guy right here this one this guy yeah there go. So he had he raped someone and then he says don't worry she didn't. So he's got AIDS, he's got HIV. Who knows? I mean he seems pretty

Starting point is 00:32:14 fit. No, but what is the story about him having HIV? Is there truth to it or no? That I don't know. Can you zoom in and see what it says? So during the trial Zuma admitted to an unprotected sex with His accuser whom he knew to be oh the accuser had HIV positive correct But memorably claimed that he took a shower afterwards to reduce the risk of contracting HIV This is the level of intellect that we have running the country and all Bill Clinton did Yeah, I mean was this guy take a cigar? Bill Clinton dude, yeah, I know we this guy, Bill Clinton to, yeah.

Starting point is 00:32:46 I know. We've got, we've got lunatics running the asylum. But here's the interesting thing. Until Donald J. Trump became president, no one said a thing. Europe and the UK, pathetic, soft diplomacy, soft diplomacy does not work with these people. And you know Obama and Biden, I mean they'd never say boo to a black African president, but Donald Trump looks at it and says this country is going down the plug. And if I can give a terrifying analogy, South Africa is Germany in the early 1930s. The white minority are being boiled like frogs. There's an economic

Starting point is 00:33:32 genocide taking place with black economic empowerment, with expropriation without compensation, with the destruction of the economy. The potential, potential hasn't begun yet, disarming of the population. Tell me more. Donald J. Trump offered refugee status to white Afrikaner farmers, and then he expanded, I think, in the last few days to mean any minorities in South Africa being persecuted.

Starting point is 00:34:03 And the persecution is definitely in place economically and it's beginning culturally. Our government have flown over here to try and tell Donald Trump there is no genocide. Let me talk about farm murders in South Africa. Our commercial farming population is 30,000 farmers. The American commercial farming population is 3 million. It is three times more dangerous being a farmer in South Africa than a policeman, and twice as dangerous being a policeman than an average citizen. Farm attacks are not only attack and then 30

Starting point is 00:34:46 to 40 percent are murders but it's torture of the most horrific kind and rapes. Not just white farmers but mainly white farmers and the South African government police has done nothing to protect these farmers. Sarah Ramaphosa claims the problem doesn't exist, South Africa is a violent society. But how come so many farmers have been attacked, murdered, raped in South Africa? And if you extrapolate, if you take a pro rata number of South African farmers attacked and murdered and killed, to the American population, over the last 20 years 233,000 American farmers would have been murdered. And you don't think that's some form of genocide?

Starting point is 00:35:32 It's horrific. So look at Germany in the 1930s. Look at what's happening in South Africa. No wonder so many people are leaving. No wonder Donald Trump has said they get refugee status. Why do you think the reaction to the 58 refugee that was given being white, why do you think the reaction has been the way that it's been with the media? Because the left-wing media want to see brown faces from Sudan, you know, escaping camps,

Starting point is 00:36:01 ducking border guards. But the persecution is much the same. If you're a white South African, you're having 30 years of anti-white racist laws being put in place, what future do you have? South African businesses are now being told who they can hire and who they can't fire. I had a senior politician three days ago say,

Starting point is 00:36:24 it is immoral that 98% of top executives are white. I went, no, it's not 98%. It's 62% because I had a Rob in the audience. I said, Google it. He went 62%. But they're already starting to say the racial breakdown of South Africa needs to equate to the corporate breakdown, to the everything else breakdown.

Starting point is 00:36:46 Seven percent of the population are white. So we only have seven percent of the corporates being white. It's racist, it's destructive, and our economy is falling apart. Seven percent of the population is white. And it used to be 20. When was it 20 percent? In 1980s. So in the 80s it was 20% so you've lost two-thirds. Well, firstly the white population is not growing

Starting point is 00:37:13 because a million people have left in the last 20 years, a million. The two richest people in Los Angeles are South African, number one and number two, Elon Musk, Patrick Soon Chong, who owns the Lakers. There are I think 22 dollar billionaires born in South Africa living in America and 35 internationally. And they're not living in South Africa. So there's been a mass exodus of people. And the black population is obviously having more babies than the white population. And of the 60 million population, I I say about 8 million are illegal

Starting point is 00:37:47 Immigrants where from Zambia Zimbabwe Congo Malawi 8 million of 60 million 60 million illegal We have no borders anymore. So how well is the economy doing? Where what is causing these other business owners that are still there to want to stay there? A lot can't leave. So I was on a plane flying over to DC yesterday with a South African, must have been 40 years

Starting point is 00:38:14 old and he said he'd left the country because he thought he'd sold his cosmetics business but the deal never went through. So he said to go back to South Africa, re-engage to try and keep building his business under terrible circumstances or try and sell it which he can't do because no one's buying anything. So a lot of South Africans can't leave. They're not wealthy enough, they don't have the opportunity and they don't have another passport. But the brain drain is happening. You're saying since 1980s, the population, white population went from 20 to 7%, a million have left.

Starting point is 00:38:53 When I look at the current farms in South Africa, I saw numbers 62% are owned by the 7%. Not true. What's the percentage? Okay, so these numbers have been thrown around by the left. Of the arable land in South Africa, if you take the total land area, it's higher than 50%. But the western and northern Cape is mostly desert. So you have massive land holdings. But if you look at arable land, 20% is owned by white farmers.

Starting point is 00:39:26 20% is owned by white farmers. You have 7% of the population. So the other 80% is owned by? Non-whites. Non-whites, whatever it could be. Yeah, mostly black farmers. But the government, when they bought the land or it was transferred to the black owners, the government has not given most of them the title deeds if that isn't communism in motion subtle

Starting point is 00:39:50 evil malevolent communism give me your land I'm gonna give it to this black family but I hang on to it I don't even give it to my let them live there but I control it I stole the government of the title deed okay and nobody's raising that nobody's talking that. Nobody's talking about it. Nowadays more than ever the brand you wear reflects and represent who you are. So for us, if you wear a Future Looks Bright hat or a value taming gear, you're telling the world I'm optimistic, I'm excited about what's gonna be happening, but you're a free thinker, you question things, you like

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Starting point is 00:41:24 1652. Okay, give me the history there. And then to apartheid okay go previous to that 1652 okay give me any history there and you know others come in as a manager resources and mayflower 1620 okay okay i checked when i came in here so mayflower 1620 okay the first settlers dutch settlers in the cape 1650 okay when they got to the cape there were no black tribes none in the Western Cape all the way up to this place called The Fish River 600 kilometers away The black tribes had migrated down over a thousand years from the eastern Africa into South Africa So they're settlers to if they call us settlers their settlers and they met and there was peace working together and fighting the usual story fast forward the

Starting point is 00:42:06 British then arrived in 1820 and then the late 1800s gold is discovered and everyone piles in and then the British have their first, sorry they have the Zulu Wars, then they, we've been fighting all our career, then they have the first Boer War, English-Africana, and then the second Boer War, English-Africana. And in 1910, South Africa, which was made up of a whole lot of different republics and provinces was formed into this union of South Africa. So South Africa as a country is only 114 years old. It's new. But it's big.

Starting point is 00:42:42 It's twice the size of France. It's a very big country. And the Western Cape has nothing in common with, KwaZulu-Natal has nothing in common with the North, the Pomeranga. They're 26 different languages. The White Tribe is made up of the Afrikaners of Dutch and German origin, but they really are white Africans. And the Anglos, like myself, are more English heritage.

Starting point is 00:43:07 So they're two different white tribes. Then there's the coloreds, who are a mix of white and black. The Indians, Indian South Africans. And then the blacks, and the black population of South Africa, I think they're 20-something tribes, Zulu, Koza, Soutu, Wenda, Suwanne, all in different areas it's a patchwork of individual communities and Therein lies the solution. I get it quickly. We have to decentralize. We have to create

Starting point is 00:43:35 autonomous regions autonomous areas based around culture and ethnicity and Take decision-making from the top and urgently push it down That's my solution. we can speak to that later. So we then had the First World War where South Africa fought with the British and allies. Second World War where we fought with America and the UK. My father was South African Air Force the Second World War. He's 99 this year. You were saying that that's unbelievable. Sharp is attack. You'll be watching this and saying well then Robbie didn't swear. So then we get to 1948. Yeah. And in 1948 the Afrikaner National Party gets

Starting point is 00:44:16 elected and from 1948 to 1960 they begin the process of apartheid and what apartheid the word stands for is separateness You translated directly apartheid separateness and the intention was to have people develop separately So that the black South Africans would have their areas the whites theirs But you know it did migrate into something that was patently unfair You know more money was spent on white kids than black kids. White people got the better areas there.

Starting point is 00:44:51 Black people had to carry passes. Apartheid became dysfunctional and evil in its latter stages. And in 1985, no one knows this, F.W. de Klerk and the Afrikaners in power decided internally apartheid was unsustainable and between then and 1994 they put a process in place to remove apartheid and he died he was a Nobel Prize winner and he worked with Mandela to create a great Constitution and a peaceful transition of

Starting point is 00:45:22 power. In your opinion today Mandelaela, good guy or bad guy? Good guy in a very bad party because the ANC always had as its original tenant a national democratic revolution. They were all trained by the Russians. They all believe in socialism or communism. Mandela managed to sit on top of that and say, I see a better way forward. But the ANC always had its evil within it, which is manifesting now. Is it almost like they were waiting for Mandela to die and get out the way so

Starting point is 00:45:56 they can do it the way they always wanted to do it? Correct. People always go, where's the brain trust of the ANC? I said, well there's not much brain and there is no trust, but there's this fundamental Soviet trained philosophy that is manifesting itself. And it's a very slow burn. Like cultural Marxism in the West, you know, it took time. They captured our universities here. They captured the left.

Starting point is 00:46:19 They captured CNN, MSNBC. They do it over time and slowly, but it's a policy and it's showing its face now in South Africa, but Donald Trump has noticed. Yeah, so you know when I'm looking at South Africa and you're going through the history and you're looking at all this stuff and you have different papers that come up, so you'll read this one paper that says, well, you know, South Africa is a great place for resources, natural resources. Go there, mine, make your money, great. But outside of that for capitalism and commerce and building and ports and import and all that stuff it's complicated. It's not built in the most best way. In 1994 it was. We had some of

Starting point is 00:47:00 the best ports, best airports, best railway system. We had more rail lines in South Africa than the rest of Africa put together. We were number one or number two gold producer in the world. That's known. We're now number 22nd. Wow. The ANC has chased away so much foreign direct investment. I don't know how you can be that stupid, but they are.

Starting point is 00:47:23 And I think that's a very good measure to see how the Administration is doing to attract people and because right now if we look at FDI with us What do you notice 1.4 trillion? Then you got yeah exactly 1 trillion then you got 600 billion from MB you know MBS from Saudi you got Apple is saying half a trillion dollars all this if all this money of course Apple is here But all these other countries are saying I I wanna go and invest in the US. That is the biggest compliment to say, I want to do business here.

Starting point is 00:47:49 The complete opposite is taking place in South Africa. Everyone's pulling out. Shell just announced they're pulling out. Exxon's pulled out. And they find it just too hard. South Africa's over-regulated, they've got racist laws. I don't know how anyone actually keeps doing business in South Africa.

Starting point is 00:48:05 I want to ask you about the president, but before I do so, I want to give you some fun facts that I pulled up. So one, the only country in the world that has three capitals. Is that true? That's what I say. So Pretoria executive, Cape Town legislative, and then Bloem Fontaine, judicial. Then you have, it has 11 languages. You said it's 26, but it says it's got 11 languages. I think it's more than, yeah. Is it? Yeah. Okay, so that's the languages.

Starting point is 00:48:30 How many languages does South Africa have? Can you pull it up? How many languages does South Africa have? It says 12, okay, so 12. 12 official. 12 official. There's lots more, unofficial. Oh, got it, and recognizes at least 35 in total.

Starting point is 00:48:42 Got it, okay. So my 26 is kind of... You're there. So maybe slang will be the 36. Bob, stop putting me under pressure. So first, this is a crazy one, and I want you to speak on this one here. First, is it true that it's the first country

Starting point is 00:48:57 to voluntarily dismantle nuclear weapons in the early 90s? Why, and who agreed to that? It was a discussion between the Africana government and Mandela. You know, when in the 70s, when I was at school, Africa was turning hardcore. Colonies were leaving, but it was turning hardcore Soviet. You know, the Cubans and the Russians were in Angola. The threat was moving south. Rhodesia was the last bastion of kind of, you know, the old world, and they fought on their own for a long time.

Starting point is 00:49:31 And then they fell, they went. And South Africa was left. And our government said, we're up against it. We need nuclear weapons. In 1972, there was a nuclear power plant built 40 minutes drive from Cape Town Kuburg power plant in 1972 still fully operational till today. Yeah, I drove past it last week fully operational

Starting point is 00:49:55 South Africa was the first country to do a heart transplant I mean South Africa has done and it punches has punched so far above its weight in history If you look at the statesmen, the tech developments, the people it's produced. The only country that's held a World Cup in cricket, rugby and soccer. And we haven't had, we've held it in our country. We haven't held the cup.

Starting point is 00:50:17 No, no, not the cup. Holding it in your country. Yeah, I mean, in those three sports, I mean, you pretty much get 90% of the world. South Africa used to be a World leader in a whole lot of areas and that's not the case anymore. Okay, you don't put that on Mandela You put it on Zuma. I put it on Zuma and Ramaphosa Ramaphosa and the ANC itself. Okay, so Ramaphosa Was talking about Elon Musk the other day. I don't know if you've seen this clip or not. Have you seen it?

Starting point is 00:50:43 No, okay, Rob. Can you pull up this clip? Here's Rama? So I'm talking about is Musk the other day. I don't know if you've seen this clip or not. Have you seen it? Okay, Rob, can you pull up this clip? Here's Ramosoma talking about, is it the Starlink one? This is the one, right here. Go ahead and play this clip, Rob, go for it. Having to do with Starlink. So I know about it. And have even, yes, I know about it.

Starting point is 00:51:01 Do you like Elon Musk? Let me say to you, I have had, Elon Musk is South African-born American now. I have had discussions with him and have said, Elon, you've become so successful and you're investing in a variety of countries. I want you to come home and invest here. So he and I are going to have a further discussion about a variety of things. Whatever one may think about him, he is a hugely successful business person and having had those discussions with him. To advance the interest of South Africans and he runs widespread businesses and in many ways he's already invested in South Africa through his

Starting point is 00:52:02 ex online process which used to be Twitter. So he's already present in our lives as South Africans. So I will be taking further discussions about how we can attract. Zero. Zero. Zero. Zero. Elon Musk and Donald J. Trump know that it is absolutely pointless investing in South Africa. All you're doing is rewarding the ANC for their socialist and racist policies.

Starting point is 00:52:35 The three fundamental bases need to be, tomorrow need to be, we will not do trade with you. We will not do trade with you. We will not help you. In fact, we're going to punish you unless you repeal black economic empowerment laws Expropriation without compensation and you withdraw the Iran funded ICGA case against Israel Iran funded the ANC to put that case against Israel Iran funded the ANC to put that case against Israel. Iran funded the ANC, they sent money to the ANC, and part of that money allowed the ANC

Starting point is 00:53:16 on behalf of Iran to file the ICJ genocide case against Israel. And this is when, so the acronym IGCA refers to the International Court of Justice, South Africa against Israel, formally titled application of the Convention of the Prevention and Punishment of Crime, Genocide and Gaza. Here's a breakdown of the key aspects of it. Allegation, South Africa accuses Israel of committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza, violating the 1948 Genocide Convention convention the application points to actions like killing Palestinians causing serious harm deliberately creating conditions to

Starting point is 00:53:50 destroy the group and why any worse why would South Africa of all the countries in the world out of the blue accuse Israel of genocide through ICJ are they the first one that did it they're the only ones that did it. And you know why they did it? Iran paid them to do it. Just type in Iran funding, ICJKs. See. Yes, Iran did fund support ANC, African National Congress during the anti-apartheid struggle, particularly in the 80s,

Starting point is 00:54:24 although the support was relatively limited compared to other international Backers like the Soviet Union Cuba and Scandinavian countries what it did after 1977 Islamic Revolution Iran began supporting liberation movements That opposed Western backed regimes, of course and the ink Fighting apartheid and white minority rule in South Africa fit this narrative apart that a white minority will in South Africa fit this narrative. Interesting. Do you know South Africa is one of the top ten countries in the world that votes against America in all UN resolutions. South Africa pokes America in the eye. Allies with Russia, China and Iran openly supports Hamas, files a case against Israel through the ICJ, creates racist and socialist laws at home to persecute white Indian and colored

Starting point is 00:55:11 minorities. And for 20 years the pathetic European UK have said nothing and America's never had a foreign policy in Africa until Donald J Trump arrived in January this year. And he knows exactly what's going on and he's had enough. He is not sending any more money to South Africa and he's going to punish South Africa, hopefully individuals not the country, for this anti-American and anti-Semitic and anti-white policies. And how do you think he's gonna react to it?

Starting point is 00:55:48 Cyril, how do you think he's gonna react to it? He's a sock puppet. Cyril is a jellyfish with no spine. He's charming, he comes across well, and that's why he fools a lot of the big South African corporates. And I'm he fools a lot of the big South African corporates. And I'm not going to name one of the big ones. He's taken in by Cyril, and he's, I think, flying to Washington today to be with Cyril,

Starting point is 00:56:13 to meet Donald Trump. Cyril's intention is to explain to Donald Trump and the administration the reality of South Africa. But Donald Trump, Elon Musk and the administration are no fools. They know exactly what's going on. So I am hoping Sir Rommelposer gets the Zelensky times 10 treatment. I'm hoping. But I think Marco Rubio is the one who's going to do it.

Starting point is 00:56:44 Why? Because I think Donald Trump wants to keep his position open to see how it goes. But Marco Rubio is going to read the riot act to the delegation that's flown over. And so he should. America should say to South Africa, we are not going to help in any way. In fact, we're going to punish you unless you immediately do those three things that I mentioned. Remove EWC, expropriation without compensation.

Starting point is 00:57:11 Repeal black empowerment laws, get rid of them. And American companies should refuse to obey them and withdraw the case from the ICJ. You do those three things, we can talk. Until then. Likelihood of that happening. Because those are big asks. I think it's 50-60% if you go to the polymarket and ask.

Starting point is 00:57:34 And if they don't... I think America should kick them back, should say leave, go home. And then, I'm putting myself at risk here by the way, and then America should, and they've already done it, Ronnie Jackson, Congressman Ronnie Jackson has already put a bill that's going to Congress about punishing individual South Africans using Magnitsky SDN, just do Ronnie Jackson here. Now there he is. And Ronnie Jackson, South African Bill, or something.

Starting point is 00:58:09 Rob, can you tap in Ronnie Jackson, South African Bill? There we go. There we go. This was a month ago. South Africa has brazenly abandoned its relationship with the United States to align with China, Russia, Iran, and terrorist organizations, a betrayal that demands serious consequences. The legislation ensures we conduct a comprehensive review of the supposed ally while also holding accountable any corrupt officials.

Starting point is 00:58:38 The Arab government's undermining American interests without repercussions ends now. Interesting. Okay. So that's moving forward. Yeah. and interest without repercussions ends now. Interesting, okay. So that's moving forward. Yeah. So Ramaphosa knows this is underway. He's on the list. He needs to kiss the ring.

Starting point is 00:58:56 He needs to give up on these racist and socialist policies and start to put South Africa first and not the ANC. Who does he fear more more Trump or Zuma? That's a very very good question. It is very good question in May 2024 the first election in 30 years the ANC got less than 50 percent They've been ruling with impunity since then who got who they got 41 percent. They collapsed 41 percent

Starting point is 00:59:21 impunity since then. Who got who? They got 41%. They collapsed to 41%. They and the Democratic Alliance, which is the center party, the capitalist free market pro-west party, formed a government and national unity GNU GNU. But then they added a whole lot of other smaller parties. And that's our current government. And the guys of the GNU, the ANC is still pushing forward its racist and socialist policies.

Starting point is 00:59:49 So your question has hit the nail on the head. How do we take this forward? Without punishing South Africa, but by only punishing the people who are responsible for the 30 years of destruction. That's the key. This is a real finesse by America. Yeah, so this is the challenge I see. Last night I'm watching Godfather 2.

Starting point is 01:00:18 How many times? Oh, can't even tell you. Me too. So I'm watching Godfather 2. You know what scene it is where Vito Corleone, his dad gets killed by the boss in Italy. Then Vito finds out who the son is, older son, kills the son. Then the mom decides to plea and go plead to him and go and say, please don't kill my youngest

Starting point is 01:00:41 son. And she says, he's not that smart. He's not that this. Let him work work for you he won't do anything please forgive him let him live his life all this stuff he's thinking about it for a couple minutes and he says nope I can't do that then she takes a knife out to try to kill him and then they shoot her she dies right in front of Vito Corleone Vito runs off and they try to go get him with a shotgun, they don't. Eventually he comes to the States and obviously he becomes the Godfather, he becomes Vito Corleone in the movie Godfather.

Starting point is 01:01:16 Can you get vengeance out of him? I don't know. Can you get vengeance out of his heart to forget the family or anybody related to the family that killed the father, killed the mother, and killed his brother? Can you do that? In South Africa, when you go and look at the story and you go all the way back and now, you know, the animosity, the level of animosity that's there, right? It's also similar to some parts of the Middle East.

Starting point is 01:01:47 I'm from Iran, I lived there 11 years. This is my question for you. How do you manage the animosities while still moving forward? Go ahead and tell the guy, I know those guys killed your dad and your mom and they raped your sister, but guess what? You got to move on. How do you keep? South Africa, another first.

Starting point is 01:02:12 In 1994, South Africa created the Truth and Reconciliation Committee. The Truth and Reconciliation Committee was created that if you were, if you did something under apartheid, if you were a police officer that killed someone in prison or you beat someone to death on a farm, you had one opportunity to tell the truth in court, in front of the families and admit to what you did and you would be forgiven. But you had to tell the truth and all the truth and it was the only way to lift the bloodletting that had taken place and the horror and the anger and in many cases people reconciled and they hugged the families and they were forgiven.

Starting point is 01:02:56 Is this what Mandela came up with? Well it was a combination of Mandela and the clerk. It was a unity rainbow coalition government in Rwanda in 1994 same year for three months. The two tribes created by the Belgians, by the way, these are non-existing tribes, Hutus and Tutsis. Basically, Hutus killed Tutsis 10,000 people a day while the United Nations did nothing. President Paul Kagame, who's president today, Rwandan, invaded his own country from Uganda, stopped the bloodshed, took over the control of the country,

Starting point is 01:03:38 and he's still president today. He got everybody in the same way. Every village and every town got together, and a murderer had to admit to the family that he murdered your brother and your sister and your cousin. And for a year, they had to wear a pink overall and do jobs like cleaning and building and things like that. One year, you as a killer who admitted your crimes would be forgiven. You spend a year in a pink. Is that to allow the other family to see that there's a little bit of

Starting point is 01:04:10 retaliation on a price being paid? Right and how do you prosecute 50% of a country? You're finished. You have to find a way to move on. South Africa did, Rwanda did. It's terrible but still today, still today there are people in South Africa that could say, you benefited under apartheid. You, there's still a lot of underlying. Oh, for sure. I'm looking at this right now. Testimonies.

Starting point is 01:04:34 Over 21,000 victims provided statements with approximately 2,000 hearings and public hearings. Amnesty applications out of 7,111 applications, 849 were granted amnesty applications out of 7111 applications 849 were granted amnesty Final report the TRC released its comprehensive report in 1998 would supplement her volumes in 03 on what happened That is that is big very big. I mean very good to do that. It's extraordinary That is extraordinary and I think you need something like that to get over, you know, when you have somebody like two brothers And I think you need something like that to get over you know when you have somebody like two brothers You know one of the brothers dates the other the other's girlfriend, and they don't talk to each other for five years They want to kill each other. What do you do as a father? You have to come in and try to find a way to bring them together

Starting point is 01:05:15 It's not easy to do, but this is times this betrayal is even higher than that to get it out so now President Trump he's in the Middle East. He's doing what he's doing with UAE, Qatar, Saudi, meets with the President of Syria in Saudi and trying to tell Khomeini, hey let's negotiate. Khomeini says, death upon America, I will never trust you. And he's saying what he's saying. He is the second term, the way he's playing the second role, he's trying to be the peacemaker. Has a two hour call with Putin and Ukraine

Starting point is 01:05:48 You know has these meetings that is having with everybody You think this approach? Tomorrow is gonna be a public one where the world's gonna be watching you think cameras are gonna be on or things gonna be a private meeting no public For sure public and same way try to put him in his place He's got to and Elon will be there as well, because Elon's tied to South Africa. Exactly. Do you think Elon will be saying anything tomorrow, or it'll be him and Marco Rubio speaking most of the time?

Starting point is 01:06:10 Him and Marco. You don't think Musk will say anything? Not much. Why do you think? I don't think Musk believes South Africa stands a chance. A friend of mine asked him three months ago, in a private moment, Elon, do you still believe in South Africa?

Starting point is 01:06:25 Do you still think there's hope? And Elon kind of, he gets thoughtful. He goes like, think, he said three words, demographics don't lie. The voting population, democracy is grinding forward in a glacial pace, but our economy won't survive. And with 60% youth unemployment, you'd expect civil unrest

Starting point is 01:06:46 wouldn't you? At some point. It's a tinderbox. Or an exodus. Well, exodus has already happened. Yeah, a million. And I'm a lucky guy. I can be the last chopper out of Saigon.

Starting point is 01:06:57 Talk about helicopter pilots. Of course, yeah. Where's Anderson? Fox. I've been a helicopter pilot on a movie. Yeah. So I can be the last guy out. But most South Africans, you know, black, white, colored

Starting point is 01:07:07 Indian, whatever. You're not afraid of going back and living there for two to three years? I'm never going to leave. My wife's from New Zealand and New Zealand, have you watched Lord of the Rings? Of course. So you know the story. So the Lord, New Zealand is the hobbit. They have no neighbors.

Starting point is 01:07:23 They have no threats. They have no pollution. They have no threats. They have no pollution. They have nothing It's like it's the most happy sensible boring country on the planet They got the all-black still they are the old black and respect respect. Yeah, and They're the hobbits. We live in Mordor. We're on the edge of Mordor where we are I mean every day as a anything can happen So Mordor we're on the edge of Mordor where we are. I mean every day as a anything can happen. Mm-hmm so I'm not worried about going back living there for so my wife said to me four years ago my New Zealand wife

Starting point is 01:07:53 We'd only been back two years and she was reading something and she looked at me and she said Can I swear sure she said I fucking love this place Wow It's worth fighting for get out of here And I said okay, then I will why does she love the place South Africa you got to come it is Magical it's got all the madness all the Craziest stupidest worst things on the planet, and it's got the most beautiful magical. It's the most incredible country I can't get it under my skin and all the million South Africans that have left bad mouth South Africa Because it's the only way they can justify leaving

Starting point is 01:08:32 Everybody misses that country. It is just magical. Did you hear about Cyril call on the people that left cowards? I know he's the coward. How dare he well he He called everybody that left a coward. He is disgusting and a disgrace for doing that. You didn't see this clip? I did. It made me so angry. Rob can you pull up that clip where he's calling anybody that left the country a coward? He's the coward because he does nothing about South African suffering. about South African suffering. I go back to that meme.

Starting point is 01:09:07 Go that meme. Cowardice, parla parla corruption, economic parla parla. Cyril Ramaphosa was found with millions of dollars hidden in his sofa. And it's unaccounted for. I would not be surprised if that came from Iran. This, our president, corruption, poverty. Yeah, he called everybody Rob, can you see if it's the clip I sent you there's a clip of him calling

Starting point is 01:09:31 South Africans who leave I believe this is it he did at the Namco You want to be angry this gets me angry he's the coward Why is he the coward. Why is he the coward? He doesn't solve any of the problems in South Africa that are easy to fix. He lets the farmers hang out to dry, get murdered, get raped, get tortured. He lets our economy fall apart. He lets 60% unemployment take place.

Starting point is 01:09:59 He doesn't face up to what's going on and he doesn't deal with the issues. He's the coward. And if people are being persecuted or have no economic opportunity, how can you call them cowards for going to another country to try and improve their lives? Okay, so... Are you familiar with Thomas Sowell? Yes, extraordinary man. Extraordinary.

Starting point is 01:10:19 Libertarian. Libertarian, yeah. He was good friends with Milton Friedman, that whole era. I'd love to meet him. I'd love to meet him as well. Trust him. I'd love to meet him as well Trust me. I'd love to meet him as well. He is somebody that's a brilliant mind I think he's in his mid 90s and he's still sharp as hell. He said Talk about South Africa in one of his books

Starting point is 01:10:37 And he said is South Africa a management problem or a geography problem? Can you pull up South Africa map? Great question. Is South Africa, does South Africa have a geography problem or a management problem? Because zoom out a little bit so we can see where South Africa is. Keep zooming out, zooming out, zooming out, zooming out, zooming out. Okay. Obviously you got nothing south. You know, airplanes fly down and then they turn around and fly back. It's like New Zealand. Yeah, so I mean that location right there is just looking at that.

Starting point is 01:11:13 You are long ways from everybody. Okay, so living in a cul-de-sac, which in a way could be good. That's my home. Yeah, I understand that. Well, what do you think the problem is? You think Thomas Sola is right? Because Thomas Sola is saying that you may have a location problem, you may have a geography

Starting point is 01:11:29 problem. What do you think? Look, it's fixable. This economy, if you give me 100 days as a benevolent dictator, I can turn this country around. As a benevolent dictator? Well, you've got to do it because you've got to make some tough decisions. What would be the tough decisions you'd make? I'd privatize all the state-owned enterprises,

Starting point is 01:11:48 okay? Sell them off because they are just a feeding trough for corruption. I would deregulate, I'd bring in a doge as quickly as possible. We have 32 ministers in the cabinet, 32. Norway has 18, Argentina has nine. We have a ministry for women. What does that person do? That is ridiculous. And all the ministers have a deputy minister. There are 34 deputy ministers.

Starting point is 01:12:14 So we have 76 ministers that all have blue light brigades, security, flying business in first class. The waste is, we have 1.4 million State employees the waste is off the charts. It's fixable. You just cut the cost Have hive off divisions like any turnaround situation in a business that you've had to deal with You know go to the debt holders and say you're not paying interest for three years Go to the equity holders and say you've got five cents on the dollar pal take it or leave it You cut out management you cut costs you hive off divisions that aren't working

Starting point is 01:12:55 You can only do that if you're a benevolent dictator and you do it quickly you close the borders you kick out illegal foreigners You do with Trump's done, but we're in much more tragic situation You have any plans of running? You have any plans of doing politics? No. No plans of running? I'm 65 this year. The president's 79 years old, the previous guy behind me, he forms 82 years old. Patrick, don't do this to me. No, but do you have any interest, like if the opportunity arose, would you entertain it? No.

Starting point is 01:13:15 Here's the problem. Do you have adult ADHD? As an individual? I do. I have a lot of issues. I have a lot of issues too I have a lot of issues too. Maybe one of them, yes. But one of them is I can't sit still for half an hour in a meeting with people who haven't

Starting point is 01:13:30 done their homework, or I know what they're going to say, and I finish their sentences. Can you imagine being in a cabinet with half of the people are stupid, haven't done their homework, some still believe in communism. What do you think Trump is doing? Yeah, but he's got very good people around him. Look at Marco Rubio. You can't find good people. You see South Africa, this magical place doesn't have good people. No, it has. So let's find them. I know, but I'd have to replace the whole cabinet. You'd have to give me complete power to get it. What did Trump do? He did it as well. I know,

Starting point is 01:13:59 but he can. We'd have to change the system. No, the answer is no. I'm happy doing what I'm doing. Don't forget what Katie said to you. She doesn't want me in politics. Katie said I love this place. True. All right. So maybe do it for her.

Starting point is 01:14:17 Hey. Do it for Katie. Come on, Katie. So does it have a geography problem? It does. And if you keep going south, you're screwed. Well, I went to the Antarctic for dinner in December. You being sarcastic?

Starting point is 01:14:28 No, we flew down. What was it like? Unbelievable. A six hour flight from Cape Town. Was everything you ate frozen? Like is it just frozen food? No, they had a six star meal for us. We slept in cabins, very comfortable and had six star meals.

Starting point is 01:14:42 Do you recommend it? I recommend it. Really? One night, six hour flight. Were you swimming outside you recommend it? I recommend it. Really? One night, six hour flight. Were you swimming outside in the pool? No, no. Were you tanning, like laying out, getting some sun? No, no.

Starting point is 01:14:51 But it was sun the whole, you know, sun 24 hours. How long did you guys stay? We flew in midday and flew out the next morning. How bad was turbulence? None. Seriously? And we landed what's called deep field. So we didn't land on the edge where all the penguins are. We went Deep Field.

Starting point is 01:15:06 How many people live there? There are, I can give you the stats. Like 4,500? No, the American base alone, which is McMurdo, which you get to from Australia and New Zealand, that has about 4,000 people 12 months a year. That's the biggest base in the Antarctic. I think 12 countries, you can check the stats Rob. Here we go, McMurdo. I think that 12 countries are part of the Antarctic Association. The station is the largest community in Antarctica, capable of supporting up to 1500 residents. So I'm getting some of my stats right. But there are three places to visit Antarctica. The one is from McMurdo which is very difficult to get to. The other is from Cape Town and I think there

Starting point is 01:15:51 are 500 visitors a year. And then the other one is from South America and I think there are 250,000 visitors that go on cruise ships. So we went deep field. It was unbelievable. But it's like a white desert. Everywhere you look, there are no features. Do you have any opinions on Antarctica or no? A lot of people have been interested in that market. 24 hours was about right. Okay, so that's what I figured you were going to say. 24 hours is about right. Did your family, did you guys? I took our kids a little kids 10 and 13 years old What did they say they said are we the first 10 and 13 year olds ever to be died? I found out some kids had actually been before them being born there was a freezing cold. Okay. All right

Starting point is 01:16:36 growing up South Africa you hear things about Errol Musk and mines and all that stuff Was he famous was did your family have a relationship with him or no? No, but Elon Musk's dad, Errol Musk, worked at our mining business. Get out of here. I only found that out four months ago when I met Errol Musk.

Starting point is 01:16:57 He said, I worked for your father's mining business. Wow. But you didn't know him, you just. I only met him four months ago. Got it. Errol, his dad. What only met him four months ago. Got it. Errol, his dad. What was that like? How old was he?

Starting point is 01:17:08 What was that like? Let him grow up in South Africa? No, what was he like? Errol's, he's got a crazy angle to him. He'll say stuff you and I would never dare to say. Never dare to say. He really tells it like it is. He's a bit of a loose cannon when it comes to opinions.

Starting point is 01:17:25 Yeah, he's a, you know. Well, I mean. He's a nice guy. He's a fun guy. He's not stupid. He's a smart guy, but he'll shoot from the hip. Yeah. Well, I mean, maybe the trolling gene comes from Pops. Maybe.

Starting point is 01:17:38 Because Musk knows how to troll like no other. It's amazing how he thinks. You know, Trump weaves. Or arrow. Well, Trump weaves. Yeah. He'll start here. Yeah. And then he thinks you know Trump or Errol. Well Trump weaves he'll start here and then he'll go completely off piste and I'll go oh no he's got to answer the question please and he winds his way back and answer the question. Elon goes deep thinking. He's gifted. Yeah. He's gifted. So I got a couple other questions for you before we wrap up here. So what could you say about

Starting point is 01:18:06 Is this the one that we have not come to the end of the night for now? Yeah, he's the one but what what can you say about this Rob? Can you play this clip? So the EFF leader in South Africa. Let's talk about that. Yeah, can you tell me a little bit more about him? So here's a clip Rob if you can play this so before we played what can you tell us about him? Julius Malema is a dangerous very dangerous populist. I hope you're gonna show the clip where he has a hundred thousand people in a stadium jumping up and down saying kill the Boer and we need to cut the throat of whiteness. These are the things Jesus, he is saying publicly.

Starting point is 01:18:48 Here we go. Kiki, kiki, kiki, ma, cipranco, alliance. What's he saying? Shoot to kill. Shoot to kill.

Starting point is 01:19:00 Hamaza. Kill the Boer. Kill the Boer, kill the farmer. Kill the farmer. Nice country. And you think white people aren't feeling persecuted? When a man like this with 100,000 people in a stadium says kill the Boer, one farmer, one bullet, we will slit the throat of whiteness, not

Starting point is 01:19:33 yet. He says these things publicly. He's got 4.4 million followers on Twitter. And he was taken to the hate speech court and it was turned down. Turned down. So that's EFF, the Economic Freedom Fighters. Nothing about economic or freedom in that lot. But the next party is Jacob Zuma's party called MK, Mkunte Wesizwe, the spear of the nation. I want to see this clip here. I don't know what's going to happen in the future. I'm saying to you, we've not called for the killing of white people, at least for now. I can't guarantee the future.

Starting point is 01:20:13 Yeah, but I mean, you'd understand somebody watching that, especially as it gets shared on Twitter, they freak out. It sounds like a genocidal call. Ah, cry babies. Cry babies. I'm not calling for the slaughter of white people at least for now I can't give you a guarantee of the future especially when things are going the way they are subtext especially think if things are going the way they are there will be a revolution in this country I can tell you now I don't know what's going to happen how influential is he he will never get more than 10% of the vote because the vast majority

Starting point is 01:20:47 of South Africans, 88% of South Africans are Christians, are conservative, are very moved slowly, are deserting the ANC, but it's taking time because this was the liberation group. But they're moving. The voters are not stupid. They know he's dangerous, they know he's a threat to the economy, they don't want him in. But he's still got up to 10% of the vote. 10% is a lot. A lot.

Starting point is 01:21:16 I mean, Bobby Kennedy only had 7%. You know, 7.2%, I don't know what the number was, but 10% is a big influence. And listen to what he's saying. Yeah, not for now. I don't know in the future, but I can promise you for big info. And listen to what he's saying. Not for now, I don't know in the future, but I can promise you for now. But have a quick look at this political party, MK.

Starting point is 01:21:29 Just put in MK and Zuma. They've got 15%. And this is Zuma, who destroyed the country, and now he wants to be president again, these guys. They're much more of a threat. This is much more of a threat. And you asked me a question. Is Searle brave enough to accept the terms, three terms that Trump should ask of him? The answer is this is what he fears. And our new GNU coalition party that was pulled

Starting point is 01:22:02 together with the ANC Democratic Alliance and the others has about 60% of the vote. Their main priority is to keep Zuma out. And it seems to be their only priority because they're not talking about economic growth, safety and security, service delivery. They are trying to keep him out. How is Zuma's relationship with Malema? They hate each other. Oh, they do?

Starting point is 01:22:24 Fortunately. How is Zuma's relationship with Cyril? They hate each other. How is Cyril's relationship with Malema? They hate each other. Oh, they do? Fortunately. How is Zuma's relationship with Cyril? They hate each other. How is Cyril's relationship with Malema? They hate each other. So all three hate each other. Yes, thank goodness. Have they ever been in the same room together?

Starting point is 01:22:35 Oh yeah. Malema was head of the ANC Youth League. Zuma was head of the ANC. They've each got their own political parties. They left. So they became different factions. Different factions. Knew or joined a different group? No. Julius Malema left 15 years ago and set up the EFF. Jacob Zuma stepped down as president and then about a year and a half ago founded MK and got 15% of the country. He's the real threat, Zuma. But he's 80 something and he can't live forever.

Starting point is 01:23:14 He can't live forever. He's 80 something, I'm watching him. So Trevor Noah, not a fan of Zuma, and he's gone after him. And what, yeah, I'm looking at a bunch of his clips here. So Jacob Zuma allowed everybody else to steal under his watch. Yeah. This time around, if he gets into power, he will take the expropriation without compensation law

Starting point is 01:23:39 and he will implement it on day one. He's made it very clear. And so Cyril Ramaphosa is scared of Zuma and scared of Malama, but is he scared enough to go back to his party and say, we need to change. We need to be more pro-West. We need to not be anti-Semitic, not be anti-American, we need to cut costs, we need to focus on free markets.

Starting point is 01:24:09 Does he have that courage? I don't think he does. Well, we're about to find out on what's gonna happen with that. And in South Africa, who is the most influential person right now that's non-political? Is that the person that's gonna be joining him? The business owner you were talking about?

Starting point is 01:24:31 No. The CEO, one of the head of companies? No. He says nothing. Very few South African corporates stand up and say anything. I'm the only South African businessman. You can even type in prominent South African businessmen standing against the ANC and no one will come up I'm the only guy Bob

Starting point is 01:24:51 and I've had more death threats than any non-politician in South Africa Bob Andrew does he say anything who's he he's the guy that runs NASPERS do you know he's a Dutchman he lives Amsterdam, he's not even South African. Do you know Alan Pollinger? He did. Alan Pollinger did, Michelle Le Roux did, Gareth Ackerman and Neil Frohneman. Four names, I can't even get to a fifth. Who have said things? Who've stood up and talked to.

Starting point is 01:25:17 Alan Pollinger's resigned. How influential is Alan Pollinger? Great guy, but not anymore. He was running a bank. Who is the biggest in, who are who the most biggest influencers in South Africa? They still live there Right here. That's it. I'm here There's a man called Ernst roots

Starting point is 01:25:36 Who appeared on Tucker Tucker's show and Ben Shapiro's show. He's an Africana There are people from civic society Shapiro's show, he's an Africana. There are people from civic society, there are people from media, there are people from law who have been journalists, who have been very very very brave. But when it comes to the business community, the business community are the cowards, colluders or captured. Three C's. Cowards, colluders or captured. Or they've been captured by the state. You feel safe in South Africa having the positions that you got? Yes, I do.

Starting point is 01:26:15 Or maybe it's a form of, you know, my father said to me when I began accidentally, I made a speech when viral and I was thrown into this maelstrom of political activism or capitalist activism And I would have given up early on I got attacked. I got cut off people wouldn't take my calls. I was threatened If my wife and father hadn't said the same thing to me I would have given up and they said my father said Rob. I've never been more proud of you For doing and saying what other people can't afford to do and say. And, you know, there's a poem called The Man in the Glass, and it's about you can fool everyone but the man in the glass yourself.

Starting point is 01:26:58 And everything in life, for me, has come, I felt, easy. Born wealthy, had every opportunity, went to Harvard Business School, got the jobs I wanted, worked for Rupert Murlock. Just things came, I mean I made an effort but they came easy. This is the first time in my life I'm doing something I don't need to do at great financial cost, at great personal risk, where my wife and kids are worried, are scared, my friends are scared, but I feel I'm doing something because I have a calling and a duty on behalf of other South Africans. And I do love my country.

Starting point is 01:27:36 I respect that. You said your father's 99? When does he turn 100? August next year, 2026. He turns 100 next year. Mm-hmm. Got it. Do you know, he caught the last 14 months

Starting point is 01:27:56 of the Second World War, South African Air Force pilot, and somebody said, he must be one of the last remaining South African Air Force pilots from the Second World War. Does he still have his log book? I called him, I said, Dad, do you still have your log book? He said, I have all three of my log books. So you can imagine how many hours he's flown.

Starting point is 01:28:14 Where is his pride at with the country? He loves South Africa. He'd never have left. He's concerned. You know, my two older sons, one lives in America, one lives in London. My sister lives in North Carolina. My brother and sister live in London. Everybody, every South African families, next generation or next two generations generations have left or are leaving Everybody's gone if we could fix South Africa It's tough to bring people back though if I could give me my hundred days as a benevolent dictator

Starting point is 01:28:53 foreign direct investment or return and there'd be a reverse diaspora of a hundred to two hundred thousand extraordinary young South Africans who would take South Africa to five percent growth. So you are running. You just said it now three, four, five times. You are running. Listen, I remember when Vive came here first time and he's speaking, I'm like, this guy is speaking like he's about to run for office a month later. I'm now running for office. I'm like, oh shit, okay, but I had a ride.

Starting point is 01:29:19 I got a good feeling on him. But the beers, selfishly, I did a video one time on the beers diamond what can you say about them there's a lot of stuff you hear about you know how they're the ones that made it you know diamonds are not really as big as they're supposed to do they control 80 to 85 percent the diamond distribution and it was concerned that they had a monopoly what do you guys in South Africa think about them so personally I'm a Okay. I only wear blue and white I don't own any watches anymore. Really no vases. No jewelry. I don't collect anything when I proposed to my wife

Starting point is 01:29:52 I was in a German forest hunting wild boar in a tree with snow. She was next to me Covered up pointing out the ball and I said will you marry me? Get out loaded rifle. She goes I thought you'd never ask I'll marry you But if you ever give me a diamond rifle. She goes, I thought you'd never ask. I'll marry you. But if you ever give me a diamond ring, engagement ring, anything, I'll sell them on eBay. And I said, well, why would you do that? She said, why should De Beers tell me this shiny stone's worth anything? Why should Hallmark cards tell me tomorrow's Mother's Day? It's marketing.

Starting point is 01:30:21 And from that day on, she minimalized me. I can put my life into four suitcases Anyway blue and white have a look at all my videos. I'm minimalist. It's liberating. How long you ever been a minimalist since since 2010 Got rid of everything and that's when you guys started dating. No, we've been dating for a thousand years. You've been dating for a thousand years? She's my soulmate. It's the rarest thing in the world.

Starting point is 01:30:48 A thousand years is a long time. You look pretty good as a thousand year old man. That's real hair. So that's, how did we get onto minimalism? No, you said diamonds. When she said to you, if you ever give me a diamond, I'm gonna sell it on eBay. So De Beers, a genius monopoly and a complete farce. What is a diamond? It's

Starting point is 01:31:06 a shiny stone. It's worthless. So, it's from South Africa and you think it's a fraud what they did to diamonds. Well, it's genius. It's not a fraud. It's complete genius to make up a shiny stone. They hang on to it. It makes it seem like it's worth more. A shiny stone. Are we insane as humans? We prize a shiny stone.'s insane rather have Bitcoin that a bit and lots of them really so you can also make diamonds in labs now the beers are sitting on a mountain of unsold diamonds is going to the best short in the world it's the best short and oh my god oh in addition to Cadbury's McDonald's because of a Zempik everyone everyone's gonna be slim.

Starting point is 01:31:47 Everyone's gonna be slim. So why would you ever buy Cadbury's, Roundtree's, Burger King? And why would you ever buy diamonds? Because they can be made in factories. Get out of those. Holy. And this is financial advice.

Starting point is 01:32:01 This is financial advice. That's the quote Rob, short diamonds. Yeah, short cartier, short all of those things. I mean, I Rob short diamond. Yeah, sure. Yeah sure all of those things I'm a minimalist. I don't what do you drive? So you would ask me that wouldn't you I drive an FJ Cruiser? Toyota FJ Cruiser completely pimped I've got the big tires. I got a wrap. I've got everything. It's the only kind of position I enjoy you say you're minimalist

Starting point is 01:32:23 Don't maybe maybe I gotta have a car Do you don't you have a 30 million dollar property like in Dubai or something like a vacation property or no? Okay, so we like three things We like Katie and I like three things Big houses. Okay, lots of money in the bank, and great experiences. Cool, I respect that. We like memories for the rocking chair. So any fun, crazy thing we do, it's like. I'm not cheap when it comes on to experiences.

Starting point is 01:32:54 That's the one thing. Wouldn't you rather go walk hiking with the gorillas or go to Antarctica for dinner? It's much more fun than some shiny damn watch. Yeah, well listen, I think this podcast is gonna put the viewers out of business. We're gonna have millions of people shorting diamonds. It's begun.

Starting point is 01:33:13 The big short, come on baby. It ain't drill baby drill. Did you watch the movie, the big short? What a great movie. You know who's the one guy I've been wanting to interview and he never does interviews? Who? Michael Burry.

Starting point is 01:33:23 Doesn't do interviews. Do you know him? No, I would love to interview him too. Yeah does interviews. Who Michael Michael Burry doesn't do interviews. Do you know him? No, I would love to interview him too. Yeah, well Listen Michael Patrick. Can I thank you for everything you're doing? Oh, no. Thank you. You've got a hell of a business here I love the fact you're sitting on an airport and I've always wanted to meet you and here I've met you in your own show. What a treat Yeah, this has been a fascinating conversation and the audience needs to know this. You showed up an hour before, fully prepared. You entertained Adam or Adam entertained you.

Starting point is 01:33:51 Can I do a shout out for Soss? Yeah, go ahead. And I gotta say something. Oh my goodness. We're never gonna hear the end of it. He's gonna use this to pick up girls. No, it's better than that. Go ahead, let's hear this.

Starting point is 01:33:59 I did a video of me and Soss to Katie saying, look who I'm with. I'm gonna meet Patrick and now meet sauce. You know the message sent back. He hasn't heard this. He's hot Stop it Kate. She said he's I'm keeping those tell Kate tell Kate Adam is the biggest mega guy you'll meet in your life Okay, this guy went from telling me four years ago I would never vote for Trump to now saying, he should go be his campaign man. He should be his, what do you call it, Rob?

Starting point is 01:34:33 The press secretary, is that what it is? Adam should be doing that. He would do a very good job. And anyways, brother, this has been great. Appreciate you for coming out. I really enjoyed talking to you. I look forward to it. When you run for office,

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