PBD Podcast - SpaceX IPO, Epstein Shocker & Austin Metcalf vs Karmelo Anthony’s Parents | PBD #817

Episode Date: June 12, 2026

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Adam Sosnick, and Vincent Oshana break down new Epstein revelations, the Karmelo Anthony fallout, the SpaceX IPO frenzy, and other major stories shaping America.------👨‍🍼 FATHER'S DAY COLLECTION: https://bit.ly/43TmZmD🦁 THE VAULT 2026: AUG 31ST TO SEPT 1ST: https://bit.ly/4mZdLhD😆 CHECK OUT VENTING WITH VINNIE: https://youtube.com/live/XTIx7FCjl_8🦁 SPONSOR THE VAULT 2026: https://bit.ly/4mFBPpwⓂ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kSVkso Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj🇰 KALSHI: ⁠http://kalshi.com/pbd⁠SUBSCRIBE TO: @VALUETAINMENT   @ValuetainmentComedy ABOUT US:Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

Did you ever think you would make it? I feel I'm supposed to take sweet victory. I know this life meant for me. Adam, what's your point? The future looks bright. My handshake is better than anything I ever signs. Right here. You are a 101?

My son's right there. I don't think I've ever said this before. Okay, so folks, I got a call this morning. Vinny, let me tell you why this is a crazy story. We're driving up, Brooklyn sitting next to me, I get a call from Goldman and says, hey, you own self, SpaceX IPO is going to happen today and everyone's talking about it. Okay, great. So I said, tell me really what's going on? I said, well, let me tell you craziest story.

I said, what's that? Yeah. He said, there is roughly 33 employees in SpaceX that when this thing goes public today, they're not executives. They're not C-suits. They're not VPs. They're not directors. They're not even managers. They're just regular employees that have been there for many, many, many, many,

many years when nothing was going on and everything was breaking, that will be getting somewhere between two to four hundred million dollars. No way. What do you mean? Collectively. No. Individually are each getting two to 400 million. Stop it.

You're talking about regular workers. Regular. They're not C-suits. They're not VPs. They're not directors. By the way, this is the part about equity that most people don't realize. We had one of our guys at the beginning stages of the insurance company that got. a lot of equity, but they walked, they ran off.

Their equity would be worth a lot of money, not SpaceX type of money, but it's still life-changing type of money. So imagine all the people that were employee number 88 of SpaceX or employee number 193 of SpaceX that are like, no, I'm going to go work at Facebook, no, I'm going to go work at Google,

no, I'm going to work at somewhere else. And they banked on a different jockey than the one they had. Imagine where they're at today. Imagine how much shit talking over the the years they've given for space. Let me tell you what you don't know is the fact that Elon is this and Elon is that and Elon is that and then boom. By the way, it's going to be the biggest IPO in the history of mankind we've ever had at

1.7-ish trillion dollars. You guys know Tom's got a bunch of different things to talk about with that. So that would be one of the top stories that we'll talk about. Number two, there's a book that's coming out, which, you know, it's called regime change. And it has nothing to do with Iran. It's a book about regime change where they're highlighting what happened inside the White House. And the two authors that wrote this book, one of them is from New York Times. I think it's Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan.

These are not lightweight people that wrote this book and a lot of credibility of how the whole thing happened with Epstein. Everybody is talking about this story. The book is coming out June 23rd. I don't know what day it is. But I can tell you one thing for a fact. If you're going to promote a book, the way to promote a book is afford to come out on Tom's birthday. Like there's no better day to come out with a book than Tom's birthday. I think that's the day.

date. So we have to talk about because some of the stuff, Bongino's in it. You know, Susie Wiles has a conversation with Bongino's saying you're leaking information and Bonino's like, hell to the no, I'll give you $100,000 right now. Go to the reporter. I'm going to quit and he leaves, gets in, it's a lot of great stories of what happened here and how the Epstein files was a shit show from the beginning when we talked about the biggest flop and the way Pam Bondi handled it was not a good thing. You'll see what some of the conversations are in that book. And I will talk about Austin Metcalf and Carmelo Anthony. Austin Metcalf's father came out.

He said a lot of different things. So did Jasmine Crockett. And so did a lot of other people. And there's a few different things that are just people are getting involved in this. It's a lot of discussion video. I know you got a lot of thoughts on this. We go into that as well. And then we have TPSA.

Something happened that you guys were showing me this this morning. That a summit that is called the Hear Summit. Yes. What is her standpoint? Honesty, empowerment, and resilience or something like that? Okay, so at that summit, where she's given a speech, and they added a video that allegedly says, Charlie Kirk says, if I'm not here, I want her to run it. The promo for it, and before the event, it's Charlie going, if anything happens to me, my wife could take over, which was AI.

They put it in there, and it's AI. And we know for a fact that's AI. It's definitely AI. They admitted it on the Charlie Kirk show. Who's they? Andrew Colvitt and Blake Neff. From TPUSA. From TPSA, we're like, we're just trolling the trolls.

Okay. Yeah. So we'll definitely talk about that. We'll definitely talk about that and get into it. And then you got the Iran missiles, the president saying, we're taking over Kyrgy Island. They hit it left and right. We shot down two drones. There's a bunch of stuff going on.

And hey, we're going to do a deal. No, we're not going to do a deal. Same thing's still going on. But hopefully that gets done here soon. Aside from that, we've got two other stories. Karen Bass's brother was not happy with what happened with the fires in L.A. So he decided to sue the city that his sister is running. Is that correct?

Is that really a true story? Absolutely true story. This is not a step. This is a real... This is her brother. This is her brother. And then we have Platner, whose story came out about what he did. The reason why he got the Hitler, the Nazi tattoo, was why Tom, you were saying that he said... He had an extramarital affair, and she was saying that he used to say about the tattoo, check out my tattoo. It says, the U.S. is evil. And so it's like he was proud of it, that he got it, and he was displaying this. So all the covering up of the tattoo, not the cover up, but all the ink that he put on it to make it a black

Blab. Apparently he really felt this way in his heart and he was saying this through his mistress. Yeah, so that's all he put it on his heart. Hunter Biden tweeted about this and he says, you tell me what's in your computer. I bet you have some stuff that you're not, you know, you're embarrassed stuff if it became public and all this other stuff. Leave this man alone. He made a mistake

many, many years ago when he was in early 20s and Hunter Biden's Twitter game is actually pretty good. I don't know if you're seeing some of the stuff. He's talking shit to everybody and is getting eyeballs. Yeah. What other recourse does he have at this point? Well, he might be the, he might be the, He might be the president or the vice president.

He says, I prefer to be a vice president. I've been sober for a while, looking for a job. Yeah, okay. And then, by the way, yesterday, Mexico played against South Africa. I don't know if you saw this or not. Oh, yeah. It was a feel good story at the end because Mexico won two zero. There was three red cards given.

Yeah. Did you see that? Yeah, but did you see that? It was the most amazing part is one of the Mexican players made a mistake. And they gave him a green card and the game was in Mexico and he ran across the border and he's working out at Home Depot right now. And is it true? like every time you score a goal, they give you a green card.

Give you a green card to come here and actually work. That is true. Yeah. Penny. She can go to Home Depot and hang out. Green card and he ran off the field so they were playing with nine people. Viva Mexico. He's now hanging, he's hanging drywall in San Bernardino.

We're watching everybody recognizing Mexico. Listen, if U.S. is not playing, you have to root for Mexico, right? You almost have to root for Mexico. You have to. Yeah. So, anyways, we got all those stories to talk about. Aside from that, folks, we announced something on Monday, for Father's Day that's around the corner.

And let me tell you, it was 500, originally we were only doing 200 boxes. We did 500 boxes. Pete just sent me a text right now, telling me they have sold 403 with 97 left, and the hottest shirt out of all of them that's selling. I want you to see which shirt this is.

So if you love your father or your grandfather, ladies, gents, take a moment and do this and spend something. They say we spend $230 every father's on our father. a lot more for mothers, but we spend 2.30. Watch this video, you may be inspired to get something for your father or your grandfather. Go ahead.

I don't know if you know or not, but every year we spend $10 billion more on Mother's Day than Father's Day. We don't get things for fathers. We forget about it. It's just a father. This year we're doing something special. We got a box for all great fathers in the world that says the future looks bright.

And here it says, Father, Protector, Provider in the box when that father, that special father opens it up, he will get a mug that says Future looks with Father Protective Provider. He'll get a Future Look Sprite hat. They will also get a Future Looks Sprite RFID wallet. On top of that, a pen that says, Father Protective Provider.

And you get to pick and choose four shirts for that incredible father. One of them is the best hat ever with Future Looks Sprite on the back. The other one will say Father Protective Provider. The third one is raising leaders, building legacy. I love every single one of them, but the last one's going to be so special. You ready for this? It says, Grandpa knows everything. knows everything. So if you got a grandpa, send this to let them open, is going to be excited.

Go to the website. If you go to the website, vtmerch.com, I want you to see what these shirts look like. So on the website, refresh the page. Okay, right there, click on shop now. So if you go there, zoom in a little bit. So raising leaders, building legacies, father protective provider, go a little bit lower. Go a little bit lower. You see right there, grandpa knows everything. And the best part about every one of these shirts, you know what it says on the back of it? Go on the shirt, go on the shirt if you can. Go on the shirt and go back. you go. Go one more. Boom. Future looks bright on all of them. So when you do order the box, just make sure you choose the right side for the shirts, which one you want. And then also, be sure to choose one of the two hats between the red and the blue and the packages will be

mailed out next week to get to the folks that you wanted to get to. So having said that, go to v.tmerch.com, place your order. And if you don't want to order the box, you want to get 20 Father's Day hats for somebody, the best out of ever, just order 20. We had a couple people that order 20 shirts. Just do you. give away the shirts to fathers and their companies and their organization and their families. With that being said, let's get right into it. First story I want to get into is this story about SpaceX. SpaceX IPO could turn 4,400 employees into millionaires.

Crazy, crazy story. Imagine you've been working out a company for all these years, and then all of a a sudden, look, yeah, I know equity, equity, equity. And you're like, I don't know if I believe in equity. I don't know if I've seen anything happen with equity. And then all of a sudden, boom. Oh, I love equity. I didn't know this is how it works.

This is how it works. Well, here's a story. Officially, Elon, as a few hours ago, is worth $980 billion. Today, in a couple hours, Elon will be the first trillionaire ever in the history of mankind, including some of these oil people, because even these oil families that got a trillion dollars, it's between 42 sons.

So it's not like you're worth a trillion dollars. You're sharing it with 42 other sons or eight other sons. So let me read this to you. As Trevor Heis was getting ready to graduate from college in 2011, His parents wanted him to take what they saw as a stable job at GE. Honey, go work at GE. But Mr. Heis had landed an internship at a startup he loved. Against his parents' advice, he stayed for a full-time job at a young company in the next 12 years.

The startup was Elon Musk's SpaceX. Today, Mr. Heis has more than 100,000 shares of SpaceX that he earned from his time working there with a rocket maker, expected to go public at $135 a share. Mr. Heises, SpaceX stock is officially worth $13.5 million. SpaceX IP is expected to make a lot of people rich, even richer. First in the Q is Mr. Musk, 54, which is likely to become the world's first trillionaire, but the group will gain life-changing wealth for the first time. SpaceX's current and former employees, the company has 22,000 employees,

and hundreds more left over the years. Some were hourly, blue-collar workers who toiled at launch sites. others sat for days straight in once windowless office at SpaceX industrial complex in South Texas. For many, their work is about to pay off big time that the stock was part of their compensation. More than 4,400 current and SpaceX employees are likely to become millionaires of the IPO, and 400 are expected to earn a minimum viny of a hundred million dollars or more. 33 or so employees that are non-suits, non-directors, non-vP, non-managers are getting paid two to four, hundred million dollars. Tom,

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The ATM of Earth. He's done. this himself. And, you know, remember May 21st, 2025? I was looking up this morning just for kicks, 5.30 a.m. I was looking up negative stories about Elon Musk when he left the White House. Because I just wanted to remember that. It was all this day. The Atlantic ran a story, the decline and fall of Elon Musk. May 21st, 2025. Oh, Lord, what will he do now? He's got to go back to work, figure out his company. Now he's going to be a trillionaire. But number one, it's private and he built it. And he built it despite doubt.

He built it that many entrepreneurs face, doubt from family, doubt from investors, doubt from business partners. And he did it. That's why this is so big. And actually, I saw today today, Brad Gersner of Altimeter said that the magic number, I think, is 141.5. At 141.5 on the stock, he is a trillionaire, which means just after it goes out, it's there. And so I think this is great. and this is what the big deal is, is because he's done it there. Oh, you're going to have all the pundits.

We can talk about all the other stuff around this. But you have to remember what's also a big deal today, retail, this is people like you and me, Benny. The retail demand is $70 billion of retail demand, which means just the retail demand could fill the whole IPO of $75 million. 75 billion is what's being raised in the IPO. And by the way, you know what the previous record for the amount raised in IPO was? It was Saudi Aramco, the national oil company in 2020, and they raised 29.4 billion.

So this is raising almost 3x. That's why it's a big deal. Adam, thoughts. Well, look, Bernie Sanders is going to have to have a new lingo. He's going to say, the millionaires, and the billionaires and the trillionaires. Remember, he'll leave out the millionaires now. He'll leave out the millionaires now. But congratulations to these people who,

stuck it out. I mean, some of them have been with them. How many years? 10 plus years when SpaceX was just a figment of Elon's imagination. So the question at this point is because, you know, I'm here for the retail guy, for the average investor out there, should you buy SpaceX IPO? Should you? Right? I don't know if you should because typically what, well, I guess what Elon is doing is he's actually trying to prioritize the retail investor. Typically the retail investor is sort of the odd man out. It usually goes to what more institutional capital or the ultra wealthy who kind of get in at a good

price? Retail is usually the exit for the institutions. Bingo. So most people actually, I think the average number is minus 21% if you try to get in on the IPO. So here's my advice to the average investor, if I may, if you're not going to get in on

the IPO, which I don't necessarily recommend. Don't chase the IPO. I would wait six to 12 months to see basically where the market goes, wait for the hype to kind of die down. What do they say? Don't buy the rumors. Don't buy the news. But last but not least, everyone I know that has got wealthy in the stock market has done this one thing. And it's very simple, but it's going to take a while. What's the one thing? Buy and hold. It's a strategy. We talked about that with crypto other day, the hoddle situation. But you're not going to get rich by chasing every single IPO.

You're going to get rich by buying great companies with revenue, with earnings, with profit. and holding on it for decades. I wish there was something easier, but that's my advice. Vinnie. First of all, I love, I absolutely love the story

because if you believe in the man, you believe in the vision, that's the type of stuff that happens, especially those regular employees. One of them was making him tuna fish sandwiches, Pat, with no windows, no nothing, just sitting there. And if you believe in the leader

and you believe in the vision, like I said, it's going to be good. And mind you, if you watch any of his documentaries, you watch his, if you read his books, the failures, the hundreds,

and millions and millions of dollars. I remember the documentary where he's like, well, I got to find another $100 million. He never stopped. He never quit. And then, you know, you start watching videos of rockets leaving every day and coming back in, coming back in and landing inside a net. Such a great point you're making.

It's such a, like you believed in it and you waited and you never gave up in his guy. That even when, and you remember the clip where he's sitting in that in that interview, Tom, and he's crying. He's crying because the people he looked up to, the astronauts that made him get into what he's doing. We're all doubting him in Congress. And they were all on the government side of NASA saying, no, don't do this. Don't privatize it. Don't do it.

And he got hurt, which I think motivated him more. So good for him, Pat. Good for SpaceX. And God bless all of them. And by the way, I want to tell you guys, SpaceX got started in 2002. Yes. You're talking about 24 years ago. Really?

Yes, 24 years ago. That long ago. For the first six years, every day they said this was going to fail. Every day. Aerospace experts said Musk had no business building rockets. The first 30 Falcon 1 launch has failed. By 08, SpaceX was nearly out of money. So, 08 is what, 20 years ago, 18 years ago, right?

We're talking about. Musk later said both Tesla and SpaceX were on the verge of collapse simultaneously, had the fourth Falcon 1 launch failed in September of 2008. So imagine, failure, failure, failure, failure. Let me continue. Controversy around SpaceX, the workplace culture, SpaceX has repeatedly faced criticism over long work hours, intense performance expectations, employee burnout, lawsuits involving workplace conduct discrimination allegations.

Elon Musk's public behavior challenges he had when he's going through the pressure that he's dealing with that nobody else knows about. The government contracts, Starlink, all this stuff that he's going, all the hate that he got nonstop while he's going through it, and the people that stuck around are now going to celebrate and their lives change. And by the way, for the rest of their lives, that group is going to have a connection with each other that nobody understands. Do you remember the guy that we had that won a contest?

We should run it again, by the way. Okay. And he ended up being on a podcast. Yeah, of course. We had, what was his name? Ephra. Ephra. It could have been Effer.

Remember when we had a month? Well, he worked for. He worked for SpaceX. Oh, wow. Eight years. Wow. And I said, what was it like? He says, he was involved all the time.

We would see him. I said, he said, oh, yeah, he was always there talking to us, steering the pod competition, what department's going to do better, all this stuff. We love working for the guys. So imagine these people that are in it, experiencing and loving it. For the right person who stayed there, what a phenomenal story. I'm happy for SpaceX. I'm happy for every one of the employees whose lives are changing.

Let me get to the next story. Next time I want to get into is, is it, no, not TPA USA, not regime change. Let's go into Austin Metcalf's story next with Carmelo Anthony. So he is facing how many years, is it 35 years with a minimum of 17 years that he can get out? Sentenced to 35 years. Sentenced to 35 years. Some wanted to do life. They couldn't because he was 17 years for stabbing.

Austin Metcalf, the father spoke, a bunch of people spoke, mother spoke, the riots, protesting, everything that's going on there. Rennie, I'll come to you first. So what are your thoughts of what happened here with this 35-year sentence? Well, Pat, with all the stuff surrounding it, at the end of the day, a jury of his peers found him guilty of murder, full stop. Anybody out there, which I get it, Pat, that's their job. Their job is to come out and racist this and racist that.

It was found guilty. And everybody's like, well, there's no black people. the jury. That doesn't mean it was all white racist. There was Asians, there were Middle Easterns, there were white people. He, they have footage of stuff that nobody else saw except in the courtroom, okay? And then the arguments of all these people, he stabbed him one time. It was only two inches. He brought a knife to a freaking track meet and people like Jasmine Crocker like, you don't know what it's like to be black in America. We, there's, people are just trying to kill us all the time. He had to carry this thing. No, he went

under a tent where he wasn't supposed to be and he got into an altercation and the alternate altercation race to murder because of him pat and if you want to see uh the jasmine crack a clip i think you guys have to see just just the attitude of people in congress saying well i basically being almost saying like i would have done it too if it was me i would have done it and then spinning this fantasy story like he was this giant attacker beating him down none of the reports said that pat none of it And all the videos, I don't know if you guys could have any of these queued up. Can you imagine, Pat, imagine if the roles were reversed and a white kid stabbed the black kid in the heart and then Jim Jordan went in front of a camera, a congressman,

and was like, yeah, this is just bull. This is all BS. This is all racism. Imagine what the world would be. There would be riots. This is the clip of Jasmine Crockett. Go ahead. I can't hear it.

Guys, we can't hear the audio. I still can't hear it. Guys, Jake, I can't hear the audio. It's all good. While they're doing that, Pat, it's just unbelievable that the lie of all this, it's white, it's white, it's racist. There's the family members. And remember, the father of Austin Medcalf, like, I don't know how the grace that he had to sit there and be like,

no, listen, God bless him, emotional, but still like, I'm going to pray for him. I'm going to pray for his family. The family raised what, what's that, GoFundMe or whatever, Tom? And there's a Send Me, also something for me. Go send me, give, send, go. $600,000. allegedly the money is all gone. Now he's dealing with a public defender.

They bought a house. All allegedly, we don't know. But it's like I'm sick and tired of everything that has to go to race. Just call it what it was. He murdered someone. And initially, everybody from the other side was like, oh, no, this is a racial thing. And no, it's not. It was murder, plain and simple, and he has 35 years in jail.

So I'm not surprised. And I'm saddened. I'm saddened and unsurprised. I thought that Metcalf's father showed great poise in the statement that he gave. But Vinny, they don't care that it's a murder. They don't care. They only care that it's a narrative. Yes.

And they have to propagate the narrative for power. The way they get power, political power, economic resources to do the things they want to do is Jasmine Crockett has to go to the microphone. And basically, regardless of how true it is or isn't, regardless of how insane it may sound to rational people and the news media, she has to go with the narrative. And the narrative has nothing to do with Anthony, has nothing to do with Metcalf, has everything to do with you don't know what it's like to be black in America. It's back to the narrative. Yes. Because she has, that is her blankie. Yes. That is her power. That is her cause. If she is to ever say, remember most of the criticism of major charities is that once they accomplish their objective,

they have to go look for something to do. Of course. And they don't want to break it up because there's people making money on those charities. And this disgust me because this is perpetuating racism, not trying to bring healing. And you remember the guy that came in did the so-called spokesman for this? And Metcalf's father tried to meet with him. They were going to pray. They were going to see together, start healing.

he kicked him out of that press conference early on. By the way, here's Jasmine Crockett. Watch this. Go forward. Was it a switch? I don't know what he had. It was like it seemed like it was a multi-tool, almost like a Swiss army.

Yeah, like with the little scissors and everything and whatever. So it was small. Oh, okay. But it worked. I would argue the size of it alone, you wouldn't even think it's a daily weapon. What the hell is? If it forgot it had to be bad.

If it was a mess. If it was one of the little, like, I don't know. Like, I do think. Well, that's why he went to his coach and was like, but I don't think I heard him that bad. Okay. But I don't think I heard him. You know what Matt Walsh posted yesterday.

He's no longer breathing. Matt Walsh said this. He says, this is so devastating. Imagine being a black parent tonight. How do you protect your children? If they go out and stab just one person, they might go to prison. It's like a black man in America can't even murder anyone anymore.

Unimaginable. Jim crawl over again. I'm furious. Yeah. And funny, pointing, fine, on it, but the fact that the weapon was small... Is that the knife that was used? What is small about that? That's a real knife.

That's the type of knife that was used. And apparently it was only two inches. It was like that big, Pat. So she's like, it wasn't like he was trying to really murder him. He was just trying to kind of murder him. The fact that he pulled out a freaking weapon in just a scuffle is there shouldn't not be any argument. You have the video of the mother and the father. Do we have any videos on that?

The father? There's a very good one, Pat. Remember, father being as graceful as he can. By the way, I had to check this twice to see if it was AI because I was like, this doesn't seem like it's really him. He's had enough of their nonsense, and he calls out the father, and he calls out the money, and he calls the entire situation out.

Yeah, Adam, your thoughts. Well, Jasmine Crockett, I just want to address that real quick. She says this quote, black women, especially black women who have black male children, live in fear and agony every single day. Why? Why are you living in fear and agony every single day? That the news media may show up on your porch.

Yeah, I mean, you're way more likely to be killed by a fellow black person than a white cop or a white kid. The numbers are ridiculous. By the way, if this was a black kid, they killed another black kid, this would just be yesterday's news. But the fact that it was a black kid that killed a white guy and they tried to racialize this and basically tried to politicize this is really why this is. But ultimately, this comes down to one thing. I do want to talk about the dad in a second. This just comes down to victim mentality.

The first time that I really honestly, genuinely heard about victim mentality was from PBD, because I know that is one of your least attractive things that you find in life. And I was like, oh, what is victim mentality? What is all that about? Being a victim.

So I went and I took a second, I said, what does it really actually mean to have victim mentality? Like, what are the prerequisites or the signs that you're living as a victim? And this is what kind of came down to it because ultimately it comes down to does life happen to you or do you happen to life?

And here are the three biggest signs that I came up with that you're living like a victim. Number one, you're playing the blame game constantly. It's always somebody else's fault. It's not me. It's not me. It's not me. Like you're giving the examples of like you've lost five jobs and it's always your manager. Right, Pat? You've talked about that. Playing the blame game. Number two, you focus way more on excuses than solutions. Rather than walking away like this kid, rather than saying, hey, I shouldn't be here. It's like, what,

what'd you say? Okay, cool. Now we're going to have a problem. And number three, and this is the biggest problem with the victim mentality, is that you find yourself being helpless. You have no agency, you have no control of your life in America. Are you kidding me? If you're in some third world destitute country, I get it. You might not have options. But in America, in the land of the free, home of the brave, you want to live like a victim. Two things can be true. I can or I can't. Whatever way you think, both are true. Ultimately, I just want to say this.

The testimony, not the testimony, the video of the father basically pouring his heart out after his son died. By the way, I think this guy lost. I think we knew this, but I just want to address this. You know that Austin Medkev, the guy that was killed by Carmelo, Anthony with the K, he had a twin brother.

He died in his twin brother's arms. the thought of that where he said Austin's brother, Hunter, respect to you, Hunter, if you ever see this, oh my God, oh my God, my brother, my twin, then he died. I can't even imagine being the father of a murdered son, horrible. But your twin brother, that you have to look in the mirror and see his face, your face every single day, dies in your arms, it's so depressing and saddening.

And the fact that the other side wants to play the voice, victim when the kid that got killed is the actual victim is the most laughable sad thing I can come up. Is this the video of the father? This is old though. There was a recent thing that Connor said. I just sent it to Umberto and con you guys have it in the chat and the text and there's multiple videos I sent to Conner's well pat where there's a there's a ladies yelling in the camera going what do I tell my five boys what do we do now? Uh video yeah this is the father. Go for it's the father. Drew Anthony. Kayla you're cowards. You wouldn't even show up.

for your son's sentencing or victim statement impact. You abandoned your kid. You left him there. I guess he's no more used to you because you can't get any more go-fund-me money or go-send-go money. You are grifters. You should be ashamed of yourself.

You raised that child. And I swear to God, CPS, to show him check on those other three that you still have. But, no, he's still going. Yeah, what are you doing? admitted or took accountability. You tried to play victim.

The real victim is the one who died. Not the one who shoved a knife in his chest. I come to pray with you and show the world we can close the gap of this unbelievable racial divide. And what did you do? You widen the gap even further. you hire a convicted baby-shaking felon who's only in it for the money, who gives you bad advice, kicks me out of a press conference.

Oh, funny, I was somewhere I wasn't supposed to be, but I left. When I asked, I didn't stab anyone. Yep. And then you proceeded to gas, like me, with your convicted felon, quote, advocate, minister? Minister of what? Minister irrelevant? minister of bullshit?

See, we got him pissed. How about minister, fuck you? Yeah. Oh, he went there. Oh, he, like... Y'all think I'm a saint? I'm no saint. I'm as human as you. I have emotions. Just because I'm a Christian doesn't mean I don't sin

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trust. Visit wayfair.ca. Wayfair, every style, every home. You can pause. And the anger, it's his son, and he tried to keep it composed. Did you see the grandma? Because you see, I texted you guys the video of the grandma. I don't know if you have it. I just send it to you in the group.

If you go through with Connor and Humberto, if you look at the way the grandma reacts, okay, grandma reacts. Go up two, one more, one more right there. Okay, so this is Carmelo Anthony's grandmother. So your language is going to be a reflection of the people you love the most, right? Okay, watch this. It's all they can say, racist with a Michael Korse purse.

This is it? That's the mother? Grandmother. That's the grandmother. That's the grandmother. This mindset comes from something. So you can pause right there. There's a video, too, of a black guy driving around,

punching, recording himself, punching people. people in the face, white guy in the face, because he's like, you were on the jury. And the white guy's like, I wasn't on the, going around punching him. I sent him that video, Humberto, you have that as well. And then there's one video of some guy. This one? Jumping and, yeah, this guy, watch this. Play this video.

Watch. Oh, this is crazy. Hey, what, are you on jury selection? No, he wasn't. No, he wasn't. No, he wasn't. He was on juror selection. And he wasn't.

He's a bad, dude. He's a veteran. He's a veteran. He's a veteran. Good job. You're gonna die. You're on jury. Why, you're on jury?

No, he wasn't. He wasn't. He wasn't. Like that guy's on jury selection? No, he was on jury selection. Oh. Not for Anthony, for not for, not for coming out of Anthony. So punching people at what type of attitude,

then you have that one guy that's dancing in the guy's face who gets arrested after for having a weapon on him. Like it's just this mentality is just so- There's a deeper issue here that goes all the way back to the air. Jay case. You know, the juice is loose. You saw people standing up and cheering after that murder trial. And then the civil trial went lightning fast. Everything pointed to OJ that he did it and he was found guilty in the civil trial. And right now you've got people that believe that, first of all, there is no dispute that a murder was committed. and they want him proclaimed innocent because he was provoked. Oh, he was provoked or whatever.

The insanity of it sitting back and saying, oh, he should be sprung because there was statements between the two kids. Really? So the thing that's insane to me is that the great celebration that happened when OJ, who was guilty, was found not guilty. in the first trial. And now we find out all the flaws in the first trial. The second trial comes out and he's found guilty really fast. Okay. But people were like, they think this is restitution. The death of this, of Austin Metcalf, the death of him is restitution. That's what they think this is. And so they have no problem going out, racist, racist, racist, because that used to be, that used to be the mute button for the rest of us. It doesn't work today. It doesn't work today.

I mean, is the clip of the parents worth watching? Because I know you guys pulled that. Let's pull that up. Let's pull that up. And that's Carmelo's parents, right? Is that okay, I do want to watch. Yeah, let's watch us. Go for it.

My son didn't intend to hurt anyone. My son was defending him so. Take us inside that courtroom. What stuck out to you? What stuck out to me, number one, was the all-white joke. But I was trying to be, you know, like, Was it false? He's lying. No. There was an Asian, Latino, there was women.

The defense called only one witness on Anthony's behalf. Why isn't CBS want to correct? Because that's CBS. What did you tell the jury? Let's have mercy on my son. What do you say to his grieving family? It's unfortunate to where nobody wins. We've all been hurt by this.

Everybody. That poor boy is fixing an experience a life that I would not wish upon. wish upon anyone. Lost in Metcalf's father, Jeff, called Anthony sentencing, bittersweet. What it boils down to for me is this. I don't care who you are. Obviously, my heart hurts.

When you see a mother crying like that, it hurts. I feel bad for it, but don't let the father's like all white. There was Middle Easterns. There were Asians. It was a mixed, like, just because they weren't black doesn't mean they weren't all white. What is this? And this is this guy, by the way, Pat, this guy dancing in front of like, tell me,

like, what is the goal? What is your objective? dancing in front of people that are just there to support and wait for the verdict. This dude, by the way, Pat, gets arrested after this. Which guy? The black guy that's dancing. Go ahead. The judge as well in this case that it was not a case about race, but you cannot deny that

just the fact of the case. And what we've seen play out since then and what we're watch happening now is because the defendant is black, the victim, what are you doing? You can stop it. And then he gets bother that. guy arrested. Just FYI because apparently allegedly he had a weapon on him that he wasn't supposed to have. So it's just

it's just a mess that everything has to go to race. Everything has to automatically go to race and it should just be like he murdered somebody and he's going to go to jail. End of story. Period. It's over. Look on. I love black people. I'm just going to start the sentence with that. But wow. There's a

big segment of black Americans that really need to do better. And let me unpack that a little bit. We've talked about the soft bigotry of low expectations. And I would encourage black people, and it's a weird segue, take a page out of what the Jews have done in America. Because what I am disgusted by is when Jews, my fellow Jews, want to play the victim and do a, well, the Holocaust. Bro, the Holocaust was 75 years ago. Is that really what's holding you back in society? Slavery was

200 years ago. Is that really what's still going on here? I get that Jim Crow was a situation. I get that civil rights was a situation, but most young kids in their 20s and 30s, you've never had discrimination in your life, ever. And what I've experienced is, is, look, every society, every culture has the good and the bad.

What was the famous Chris Rock joke? He's like, there's white people, and then there's like the white trash. You know, there's nice Jewish people and then there's like the Nebishi Jewish guy. There's black people, and then there's, you know, the next thing. Ultimately is this.

As the black community who I love and encourage to do better, we can all do better. What I've experienced is this. I've seen friends of mine that were athletes that have done well, that have done well in school, and their black friends like,

oh, you're the smart guy. Oh, you think you're better than us, Oh, okay. Oh, you want to do good in school? You want to get grades? Oh, you soft. It's like, why aren't you encouraging people to do better? Why aren't you encouraging people to do smarter?

What I will say about Jews is they encourage you to go to school. They encourage you to do well. They encourage you to stick together. Now, some may say, well, you know, they stick together a little too much. I'd rather have that than sort of the ghetto mentality of, oh, I don't know that, I'm not trying to do business with that guy. You can work together. You can do well.

you can improve your society and your culture, but it starts with the family. And that's my last point. If there's no father in the home, how is the family going to lead? And then when the father wants to play the victim, it's going to go lower and lower and lower. And I just think that you could do better,

and I think you should. In a big way. In a big way, I didn't know you were going to go into a Jewish commercial right now, but, you know, in a big way. It was like an advertisement sponsorship brought to you by. Well, no, no. Well, see, if you want to say commercial, I'll say one last thing.

No, no, no. You remember during the Super Bowl? When there was the Jewish commercial about being a victim? Bob Kraft, the owner of the Patriots, I guess funded a commercial about a Jewish kid getting picked on, being the victim. Sure. And there was a lot of Jews that were like, yeah, yeah.

And there's a bunch of us that are like, bro, step up and man up and fight back. Jews in America are soft. Go try, go mess with the IDF. It's a big difference. Yeah, okay. All right, so let's get to the next story. Next story I want to get into,

should we get into the Epstein story or TPSA story? TPSA. Let's go into the TPP USA story. So Vinny, what is going on with this TPSA story? Okay, Pat. So on June 7th, Erica Kirk, the current CEO and chair of TPSA, had the H-E-R, her summit, okay? Connected to TPSA. And her supposedly stands for honest, empowered, and resilient. That was the word. And you know what? After seeing what I saw, Pat, the H for the honest, needs to bounce. Because they played a montage promoting this event. And in this montage, they play, and they purposely put it in there, a fake AI video of Charlie Kirk saying if something happens to me, everything could go to Erica. Can you please play this video? Play this part.

Passion, and now his mission is my mission. I appoint my wife to run 30.4 USA if something happens to me. Erica would do a great chunk. Okay. Are you guys ready for this? That is AI, and that was fake. And they purposely put that in there. And then Pat, once it came out and the internet did its thing and they found out that it was fake, this is Andrew Colvitt.

The, was he, is it the executive producer of the Charlie Kurt show? I don't know where he's at in Turning Point USA. This is them getting caught and then having to play defense. Play this video. We decided over the weekend we were going to troll the trolls. There's this video that has become a source of controversy. Controversed. Just obsession from bizarre people.

Yeah, just absurd. I don't even talk about it because I think the, whole thing is so lame. They demand overwhelming proof for the idea that Charlie loved his wife and would want his wife to carry on his mission. Yeah. Well, it's something he told all of us. We all knew. We didn't talk about it because we thought Charlie's going to be with us for another 50 plus years. But like we all knew, the board knew, this was the plan. Whatever. He said it one time in front of a camera at a private event with donors in Aspen. So we just thought we figured we'd troll the trolls. Yeah. And you get a little taste of it here.

important relationships in your life is the one that you have with your Lord who's your favorite Jesus Christ? Their passion was my passion. What's AI going? Ready? Ready? Ready? Right there.

That's fake. Eric will be a great job. That's AI. How do you know that's AI? They just admitted it. Let me hear it. Let me hear it out there. So we knew that it was going to be like, oh, it's AI or it's fake or whatever this, because

that's what they do. They always move the goalposts here. And that's why it's a sucker's game to even play this. But it was really fun. to be able to troll the trolls. She's stuffing in their face. They put that in there. That's not real.

That's not real. That's not real. I don't know if he said it's AI. He's not saying it's AI. What do you mean? We got caught. Pat, they're saying that they were trolling the trolls. Homberto, is that what he's saying?

Yes. That's not. So do me, favor, go under the tweet and go and check to see if Grock says, somebody probably would have asked a question and say, is what was said their AI, if you can go to it. Because I have two positions on this, but I want to come back to it. Okay, so let me come to you.

Yes. While you guys are doing that, what's your problem with it? My problem is, Pat, with all the questions and all the controversy and all the lying, why would you do that? Why? Because you know what that happens now, Pat? If this is real and you put AI and you're lying on your dead friend's name, then you have no right with all these morons that are muddying all the water

with all these idiots that are acting like this huge conspiracy. Why would you do that now? Because now you open the floodgates path to everybody to come in now and say if you lied about this, what else did you lie about? And me personally, I do not believe them. I don't believe the whole guys. We're trolling the trolls and we're like, no, no, no. What are you even doing?

Why would you put it in there? The H.E. or the her event? That's a serious of, this wasn't just a, ah, gotcha. Amirto, ask the question. I'm not a fan of it. Like, why would you do that? Let's go. Yeah, why would you do that, Adam?

May I respond? Yeah. And you know, I love you. What's your goal? With Turning Point USA, I guess... Before you go there, before you go there, let's go through it. I first want to qualify if that was a yes, the specifically expert was presented as an AI generated or manipulative video of the organization.

Okay. So, perfect. So then let's go through it. So that's... Was it? Yes. So specifically the part where he's talked about, And by the way, if you watch the video, the lips don't match the words.

It's not that hard to do. If you watch the video, the lips don't match the words. But what I want to know is, okay, so I talk to the estate planner of Charlie and Erica Kirk. This is a man that's a good man that Tom's known for almost two decades. Good guy. This is not a bad guy. This is a good guy. Your estate planner, you know what your estate planner knows?

Vinnie, like my estate planner knows, as well as Tom, if something were to happen to me, who manages to finances, how much money the kids get, what happens with the leadership team, what happens if something happens to both Jen and I, who raises the kids? The living trust has all of that. So guess who knows? How many people know what's in the living trust?

Can you, like in my living trust, how many people actually know? Less than a handful. I'm going to say outside of your family, there's probably three, probably a guy at Goldman, the lawyer you had to do it, me, the executor, and that's it.

It's a tight group. Okay, so now that's three. So then you either choose to believe, Tom, when he says that or you don't. So if you say, I don't believe that it was under trust, that's your problem. You can dispute that. But if this is a credible guy that he said this, and Tom, I think his first name is Doug. I don't remember his last name. That's correct. What's his last name?

If you don't know, just say it. He'll look it up. It's not a big deal, Tom. He was. Well, I didn't know if you want to say. It's Doug de Groot. No, no. They know that because they publicly announced that they're one of the, he's one of the board members.

And guess what? That's what Charlie's wishes were. Now, if they have a video of Charlie saying that, and then you go do AI to say he really did say that, that's not something to joke about. That's not something to put out there. You don't do that. There are certain things you can troll to troll. This isn't one of those things you troll to troll. It's just not. It's not an appropriate place to use AI with.

It's like you're asking for it. You're going to get the criticism that you're going to get from the market. What are you thinking about? By the way, just so you know, I want to make sure the market knows. My impression of Andrew, I don't know the other guy, I don't know his name. My impression of Andrew is Andrew is a very good guy. My impression of Andrew, I don't know him. I've never talked to him.

We've never interacted. But purely from body language and the way he handles himself, I think he's a good guy. He doesn't give me a vibe of being a bad guy. I don't know all the other guys. And I had a call with the board member, Doug. We had a good lengthy call. I don't know what it was. Maybe a couple weeks or three weeks when we had this conversation together.

And I do believe him that Charlie, in his trust, put that he would want her to run the organization. I actually believe that. I think you would also believe that. Of course. Okay. My dispute with this is take a break, move away. I said this on a podcast yesterday I was doing with this fellow. that came down here.

And here's what my message was to that guy, to that guy. When I sat down with Charlie in 2017, Ruperto, if you can go find my interview with him in 2017, you should be able to find it. When I sat down with Charlie in 2017, you know what's the one criticism I gave him there? I said, Charlie, what percent, he had 1,000 people at Fort War, Texas,

were sitting there doing an interview. I walk away, I told Mario, this guy's going to be the president of the United States. Mario says, you really believe that? I said, this guy is so special. He's one of a kind. He's going to be the president of the United States. United States. Find it through Creator Studios. Like this, you're not going to find it because we've done so many of them. So I said, what percentage of people in here are not white? You said, oh, we got

plenty of them. I said, how many? We got 50. I said, so 95% are white. Yeah. I'd like to see you try to see if you can get others. Okay, now somebody may say he's a nationalist, what kind of a message is that. Who cares what their skin color is? And they have an argument as well. I'm with it. course. But Charlie went from there. It's on Valuetainment, not on PVD podcast. So Charlie went from there, but if you were to ask, till the last day that Charlie was leading TPP USA, so let's go to September 9th, not 10th. Let's go September 9th. Tom. What percentage of TPP USA that followed TPSA, younger generation, were men versus women? 80%? 80, 20. Fair? Okay. Fair. Fair. Fair. So, Imagine you go from the face being predominantly man.

Man look up to man. Man follow man. Overnight, you now want the face to be a woman. You're going to lose your men to another organization, and that's exactly what's happening to TPSA today. I agree. So you know what happens? Female membership goes up.

That's it. That's exactly the one you found. All the way at the bottom you found. So if you want to kind of bring that up, female membership went down, went up, male membership went down. Now, that means we have more chapters, more this, more that. No. So I think to that side, my criticism doesn't change.

Would I have as a board member been a little bit more aggressive and assertive with Erica, can I call you privately and said, Erica, can I call you privately for us to have a call? I don't want to do this, and I just want to have a one-hour call with you. I'm even willing to come and sit down with you 101. Just please hear me out. And then afterwards, do whatever you want to do. I'll back you up. What's that?

Don't do this to yourself. They're going to come after you. This is all I'm saying to you. Don't do this to yourself. Step aside. Put a front band, let them deal with it, let them take the arrows. When the dust settles, we'll bring you back up. And we have to find two faces, not just one.

It's got to be you and somebody else because men need a face. And they're not doing that with Andrew. So branding to this brand, it kind of is like, dude, you know, what are you doing? So, but aside from that with the AI stuff, yeah, double dumb move. Just don't do something like that. This is a sensitive topic that you know you're going to give those guys more credibility. Adam, your thoughts? Well, I know Andrew, Andrew Colbert.

I know him pretty well. You've spent a lot of time with Charlie. We've spent a lot of time with Charlie. Oftentimes when you would go off and talk to Charlie, I'd be standing there with Andrew, whether we were at Amfest or whether we were here in the studio. And we've created a relationship. I think he's a capable guy.

I think he's a nice guy. We text, we keep in touch. But he's in a really tough situation. Because he's capable. He's a good-looking guy. He's a stud. Well, let's get real here. Charlie's one of one.

I often think what would Valu tainment be without PBD? I think about that often. I'm sorry, Pat. God forbid this happened to Pat, what would happen here?

We wouldn't have, by the way, we wouldn't be sitting here on the PBD podcast and I wouldn't have that's one of my best friends. I wouldn't be sitting in here, Adam, with all due respect.

Thank you for letting me know my thoughts, Finney, allow me to finish. You're saying, what would we do? I thought you were asking a question. What would we do without PBD? What would any organization do?

What would happen if they lost Tony Robbins? What would the Tony Robbins organization do? Hopefully they have a backup plan. What would happen with the Joe Rogan podcast if he was no longer there? A lot of these companies, like you said, he had a living trust, not an eyelid, a living trust, which is different from an irrevocable life insurance trust. He was an is an irrelvokable. Those are two different products.

The is like, hey, babe, you're going to get this insurance, you're going to get this. I can never change it. Got it. So she knows for a fact, even if you leave with another woman, that's an eyelid, cannot change. It's irrevocable. Got it. But this was a revocable. trust. This is a living trust. This is a

state planning basic stuff. So the reality is this. Turning point, there was in a lose-lose situation. Their founder, their CEO, their face, the guy that brought everybody together, the person who basically held off the hoard

is lost. And now what happens? And they're left holding the bag. Three months later, they had to put together a Super Bowl party. They've had a tough time. And have they done everything right? No. But to turn TPSA into the bad guy, which a lot of people are trying to do. Can you do this?

Let me push back with you a little bit. Focus on this topic. Try to isolate instead of talking about all the other stuff. Sure. What do you think, do you see an issue with using AI voice for Charlie to say in a topic where everybody's asking, hey, did Charlie ever say that? You think that's a wise move to do? Do I think trolling the trolls?

Not trolling the troll. Again, let me isolate one more time. I'm going to go through the question one more time. Just very basic. Sure. Do you think the idea of you? use an AI after you got criticized when they're saying Charlie said he would want her to run it. You think it's a good idea to use AI to add one of Charlie's speeches to say Charlie said that.

Probably not the best move. Okay, great. Not the best look. And I think that's right. I actually think it's that black and white. Sure. I don't think it's that much deeper than that. That's exactly.

That's really the story. But respectfully, that is this story, but that's not the story. But guess what? Who is making it a bigger story? I mean, I could give you a laundry list of people that are basically taking advantage of the turning point situation. Whoever those people are, they're not going away. There are certain people that are going to, like, right now, okay? So how much more hate am I getting today versus a year ago?

You're around me. No, that's public. I mean, how much more you think it is? Do you think it's more than two? What is the, what is the bigger you get, the more hate you get? But how much hate do we get five years ago? There was no hate. What was five years?

Well, speak for yourself, sir. Well, no, I'm not talking about. I'm just talking about, you know. I think it's five times X than when I got, oh, from when I got here, five times. I actually think it's compounded on a massive way. We have a bigger target on our money. Yeah, we do. And by the way, you know, people are going to criticize you for whatever you do.

So for me, it's going to be like, well, you did that insurance thing and he sold it. And it's this. I build a real insurance company. We sold it. Well, you know, let me tell you, you know, you took sponsorship money. Yeah, we took sponsorship money, not knowing what it was. Even J.P. Morgan Chase, who has actually. to everything, had $328 million in the bank with those guys, and they're the ones that know,

and they still kept it there. So imagine if we are doing a research in a company and all of a sudden those guys know about it, who do you think knows more about it than I do? You think if they knew they're doing some dirty work, why are you still living those accounts? So imagine if JP Morgan Js is making a mistake like that, you don't think a smaller company's not going to be able to catch everything, okay, so fine. But it's fine, it's a fair criticism. You ought to criticize the systems that we have for doing whatever the testing is for.

That is all fair criticism. You're going to get it. You're the biggest reason why Trump won in 2024 outside of Trump himself. Do you understand what just happened right there? It's like, we meet with a lawyer yesterday, one of the most powerful lawyers in the world. We meet with them yesterday. We had a good meeting together with them. Don't need to say his name.

And we're having a conversation. We've established a relationship the last few years, but it's getting closer and closer. And he's been telling me this for a minute. And he says, let me tell you, the stuff you're talking about, You don't even know who your enemies are. And so they're targeting you right now in a big way. And I'm talking about, like, who are you talking about? I says, my clients are all the clients that everybody knows around the world.

And when we go and do our own audits, we have X CIA, XFBI, X, this. And we do the full-on investigation and audit forensics to see where the money is tied to be able to attack certain people. You're on one of the lists. I said, okay. So imagine where we are. Now imagine the organization that helped Arizona 300,000 ballots you're talking about with Charlie, what he did. He said it in the hallway to all of us in Washington, D.C. at the inauguration. You're the guy that's flipping young kids and they took you out?

Guess how much criticism that organization is going to get a ton? Of course. So don't add fire. Don't add fuel to the fire. And I think that's all they're doing. Don't do it. Just kind of go about it. Give you argument.

Expect the fact you're going to get a lot of shit. and a lot of heat, make a couple adjustments, move forward, trust me. The moment this settles down, they're going to go after the next guy to criticize. People move on very quickly to the next person to target, but a part of it's going to be a way

we handle criticism and feedback that comes into place. This isn't an easy game. The moment you become public, it's nonstop for the rest of your life. And that's why a lot of people that cannot stay in this. Remember guys like Scott Walker, boom,

and then they disappear? No, no, no, I'm not, boom, and then they disappear. Guys come in and then they disappear. You want to deal with you? this shit every day? So I just think there's a few things they could do. Tom, your thoughts, and then I'll come back to you, Adam, and then we'll move on. I don't have any other special thoughts. I don't think it was a good idea to use AI. In the midst of all the controversy,

and you still have speculators out there, there are great people inside TPUSA trying to manage it, and I just think the AI thing, and trying to like, you're creating controversy and midst controversy when you should be backing off. Vinnie. And that's how I feel. Because Adam, you ask me, What's your goal as if, like, what do you mean? Like, what's my agenda? I'm reacting to a story which makes a great point. You're giving that side that you were talking about all the ammunition because you guys got, you guys lied, fake AI, fake voice, fake Charlie.

And then you're acting like, no, no, we were trolling. I don't believe them. I don't believe them because guess what? Everybody's kind of moving on. There's still people doing the soap opera. What don't you believe about it? But wait a minute. So now here's what you're doing.

So now let's qualify. that as well, Vinnie. Are you, okay, so these are two separate things. Yes. Yeah. In my career, when I manage anybody I do business with, you're going to make a lot of mistakes. You made mistakes. I've made mistakes. Everybody here makes mistakes, and there's levels to mistakes. Now, when you make a mistake, I may sit there if I have a shot, I have an opportunity when you make a mistake to go and say, these guys are evil, they're criminal, they're this, they're, or it's like, no, no, they made a mistake and let's move on. So if there's 10 tiers of a mistake to make

and the highest one is you're killing somebody, hypothetically. Lowest one is just an innocent mistake. Where do you put this mistake in your eyes? Ted is, 10 is like horrible mistake, like travesty of a mistake you made. And one is what? You just made a mistake. Where do you put this?

Bonehead. Number one's like a bone hitter. But the way when you say that, and it's like, these guys and I'm telling you, and do you think this is a question of, character. My baby's Brooklyn. Come here. Come here, baby. Just come say hi real quick. So do you think this is like a tier one mistake or this is a dumb mistake? It's a very dumb mistake that's going to add fuel to a fire that you guys were trying to act in and exist. You want to stay with me? Yeah, Brooklyn, come join the show. Let's go. Oh, Sen is here too. All right. You couldn't have walked in in a more lighthearted story.

Seriously. Can you say hi to everybody? Hi. Oh, you're so cute. Brooklyn. How are you? How are you going to be by June 26? Five. Who loves you? Daddy. How much? Who loves who more, baby?

Daddy. Sanna? Brooklyn stole the show. My name's Senna. How often are you at the office, baby? Like every week. And what do you do when you're here? Roller skis.

All over the place. And who's your best friend on the building? Who loves you, baby? Wow. Brooklyn, who's your best? Give me kiss. Give me kiss? Okay.

Vinnie. All right. So the audience. Didn't really get the full breath of salad. She's got a character. She's witty. She's got a lot going on. 10 seconds?

You, after all we've been through, she... No, you too. You're first, though. Okay, all right. That's all. Hey, Melva. You want to sit here? You should sit here.

You know what? PBD. Do me a favorite. We're going into Epstein. PBD, take five. Brooklyn is going to take it over from here. Two crazy stories, babe. I don't want you.

This is a scary story. This is a scary story. It's a scary story. It's a scary stories. horror, it's like obsession. Yeah, no, it's gonna be scary. Yeah, man in Nebraska puts puppies and woodchipper. No, you go and then come back because it's a scary time.

Yeah, I'm gonna eat a donut with you. Okay, can you, you can sit here. Then we're gonna go to a different story and we'll go to the last one. Can I just finish this? Yeah, go for it, yes. And everything that Vinnie, I'm glad that you did that with Vinny, because basically ultimately he said, look, he screwed up on this thing, but it's a two out of ten.

And that to me is really kind of what I was trying to highlight. What, the problem that I have, and you kind of summed it up as well, is they're trying to turn turning point USA into the bad guy. It's the equivalent of trying to turn you into the bad guy because they only want to highlight your mistakes. Oh, you did the PHP. It's an MLM. Yeah, it was a network marketing, multi-level marketing insurance agency that we sold for a quarter billion dollars.

They want to turn everything that you do into a negative. And then my whole thing is like, do I think that PBD is a net positive to society? Yeah. why do you think I want to be with him year and year out? Do I think Charlie Kirk is turning point USA or a complete net positive to society? Yes, of course. The problem that I have is very specific.

There's the people that want to take the mistakes that they've done and make them the bad guy. That's the problem I have. I couldn't hear you, Pat. I can't hear you at all. Let me check. Oh, there you go. Back up.

You're good. And I think a part of it is also, you know, the exaggeration of a problem. the exaggeration of a problem that you do. You take a mohull and you turn into a mountain, right? And in this case, guess what? Score a double dumb? If my new outfit was here and the judge and the hero to zero,

is this a zero mistake? Is this a zero category? Yes, don't do this. Don't do this. Find a way to increase, but we'll move on. The market will move on and we'll get to the next story. All right, so Brooklyn left. She just wanted to be here for two minutes and she...

But that was a nice little heart crash. They're at the office every day. so we don't mind it. All right, let's go to the next story. Next story, inside the White House, freak out over Epstein files. This story dropped, a book that's coming out, Humberto. Can you verify the exact date this book is coming out? I think the book is coming out June 23rd. It's called The Regime Change, and this book will be a massive book that everybody will be reading because it called out everybody in the White House with things that are going on with the Epstein files. So let me read some of the story for you guys on,

what's in here. And then Tom, I'm going to come to you because I know you've gone through the first five chapters. Inside the White House freak out over Epstein Files. This is by Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swanson. So let me read some of this stuff to you if you want to go to the article. So let me read some of the stuff to you. So we go through a couple things here. Number one, they needed a gesture of transparency to appease an increasingly angry base, but also a way to convey the message that the president was sympathetic to support his concerns. Now, keep in mind, this is not a Trump supporter. This is still. New York Times. Never forget that. So let me go through it. J.D. Vance took a seat at the head of the

table in the John F. Kennedy Conference room in the Situation Room Complex and said, this is a huge problem. He told the group a raid around him were the White House Chief of Staff, Susie Wiles. Then you have White House Counsel David Warrenington, Press Secretary Caroline Levitt, then he had a few other people that are there and they're having this conversation. And the Deputy Chief of Staff James Blair, then you have Pam Bondi, Cash Patel, Speaker to House. Now, Tom, do we, do they share with everybody who the whistleblowers is in this article? No, the article has become this giant book, and they don't share exactly where they get the data from. But when you look at this, and I'm not the only one, the people that have read what I'm estimating at about five chapters

of excerpts, because the book doesn't come out to June 23rd, as you pointed out, what you see here is a very well-written and very well-presented synopsis of what went on. They have got multiple sources. That's my feeling here. And the multiple sources appear to be rationally presenting things. And they're also showing you backstory on things that there are other events that they connected to. It's like, Bongino left the building on this day and went here and here. And they're like, wait a minute, we talk to him here. Then we talk to him there. Those dots connect. Zero to 10, where do you score the credibility of the facts of this book? Right now on its face, about an eight.

And I don't see any counter articles coming out. Oh, you're full of crap. Here's the seven ways. Well, it's early, time. It's still early. So maybe we get it between now and Monday. You don't think there'd be somebody overnight that we get after this? I think so, but it's still, it's a little early.

You know, sometimes people are reacting. So we'll see what I happen today. So let me read through some of this stuff, folks. And then Tom, I'm going to come to you first, because I know you've gone through the whole thing. So Vance had bought into the darkest theory about Epstein and the cabal of predators, hidden within the country's ruling class. Wiles would tell others that the vice president had proved himself to be a major conspiracy theorist.

Okay? That's the story. And advanced floated to colleagues an extraordinary PR gambit. The White House should enlist Tucker Carlson to interview Epstein's longtime girlfriend and co-conspirator Jolaine Maxwell in prison. Okay, better to rip off the bandage instead of moving out.

Let me continue reading on what happens here. Then it goes into, you know, what they were thinking about doing next, Maxwell could be given a pardon, he said, or she could have her sentence reduced. This is Warrington, the White House Council, responded by laying out the available choices without advocating any of them.

At that several around the table spoke up to register their strong disapproval, pardoning Maxwell, a trafficker of young girls would create a huge PR problem, Stephen Chunk said. He predicted that in the wake of the pardon, Epstein accusers would be fanning out of a TV telling their stories and ripping the administration

to shreds. Blair also adamantly opposed the pardon. We can't offer Jelaine Maxwell anything. A, I don't know why we would, and B, if we give Jolene Maxwell any sort of break whatsoever, and then she turns around and says nice things about us or says nice things about us and give her a break. It will undermine the entire point of her saying good things. That will feed the conspiracy theory, period. If there's nothing for her to say that hurts us, we shouldn't have to offer her anything. It continues. Shortly after this, the president posted again, he was going along with the plan, situation room. He didn't like having to do it, based on

the ridiculous amount of publicity given to Jeffrey Epstein, have asked Attorney General Pam Bondi. So this is what Pam Bondi comes in, to produce all of the pertinent grand jury testimony subject to the court approval. This is a scam perpetuated by Democrats and should end right now. You remember this whole picture where everybody came in and they're saying, hey, you know, we got all the notes,

we got everything, we're going to share it with you. Okay, so then we reacted to it. Continuing, as this is going on, Patel privately shared many of Bongino's concerns, but in an internal for weeks, Patel and Bongino, the Deputy FBI Direct had grown more infuriated as they realized the scale of the mess for which they were now being blamed because the market was blaming them. Now remember, this is not an article that's a pro-cash Patel and Pro, what do you call it,

Bongino. They don't like Trump. They don't like this administration. So they're not fans of any of these guys, right? Bongino hated the Justice Department. Nothing to see here, memo have been drawn for public receipts. release. He told Patel, this would in no way align with the promises of transparency after taking over FBI, and he objected to putting the FBI seal on his letterhead, but he was over-er-ruled.

Patel privately shared many of Bongino's concerns, but in an internal email on July 2nd, the FBI director gave his support to the memo. Thanks for the edits, I still believe this is correct. Vehicle forward, Patel wrote to the occasional typo to a small group of colleagues, including Blanche. I'm happy to add any additional sentence to complete to compete the shortfall, but I do think we address specifically why more can't be released as it relates to the specific topics, i.e. court, et cetera, et cetera. Okay. So then it continues. Then you see the footage that comes at,

that the one minute was missing. We all reacted to it. I think we reacted to it. God knows how many times on the podcast here. This is the jail video. And then all of a sudden, shit hits the fan. Watch this. The day the memo was released, Bongino showed up to a Justice Department meeting with the FBI staff and attorney general.

He was in a volcanic mood. As soon as he entered the room, he erupted at Bondi, shouting at her. You effed this thing up from the start. Bongino yelled. The way you've been talking about this, that dumb effing charade with the Epstein files, and they're on my desk nonsense, all the promises to the folks out there. Patel and Bongino both subsequently told the White House official that Bondi needed to resign. Two days later on July 2nd, the two men were summoned to a meeting with Wiles and Bondi

in the Situation Room Complex. the last entered a small wood paneled room, seated around the table where Bondi, Wals, Blanche, Taylor, Butterwich, one of Wals' deputies. The moment Bongino sat down, Wiles told him that she had been informed, watch this, he leaked a sensitive story about Epstein and Trump to ABC News. And Bonino replied, I'll tell you what, I'll give you $100,000 cash right now. I'm not kidding. Walk out to the West Exec, put the reporter on speaker, and get him to admit I leaked it to him. $1,000. Walsnapack.

Well, we all got ourselves into this shit. And Bonino cut her off. No, no, no, no, no. We didn't get ourselves into this. I warned you guys about the whole time, and you ignore me. And exactly what I said was going to happen, happened. And now you're pretending I was in on this. I was never in on this.

Bonino aggressive response to Wiles startled the others. She was the White House chief of staff, essentially, and a stand-in-in-for-the-president. Wiles put Bonino on the spot. Going forward, we're all in. We're all going to, to move forward. Are you in or not? No, I'm not, Bonino said. This is not my plan. I'm not part of this going forward. Forget about it. I'm out of here. He stormed out of the situation room into the West

Executive Avenue where he climbed into the back of Patel's armored SUV and directed the driver to take him to the FBI headquarters. Some of Bongino's close friends hoped he would resign right there an act of protest that would give him a maga martyr and only increase his following. But the White House advisor intervened urging him to stay if he quit Epstein and when public, it was severely damaged. the president, Banjin, told Associates who will remain for Trump's sake and keep pushing for more Epstein information to be released. I got a few more things to read here, but a part of it is Charlie Kirk's, which is this next part's very interesting with Charlie Kirk in the story.

In a conversation with confidence, he lamented that with the job cost of millions of dollars on podcast revenue, family time, his audience. One time he talked about it that my wife and I have been separated for nine months, not literally separated, but we're not seeing each other for nine months. You can imagine how he goes from making 20, 30 million here, however much money was making to now. You're talking about Bongino. Bonino's one of the biggest shareholders of Rumble, by the way.

And it was the number one show there. And so Blondie F this whole thing up. Bongino later told the confident, Echon Loomers, the irisive nickname for the Attorney General. She was the one on TV saying over and over again that all this stuff about they never happened. We were always clear about it. But now everyone thinks we did something wrong.

And I give up everything. Bongino complained that he had given up his high-rated show millions of dollars and now it's all about to disappear. So this is the part that gets tricky with TPSA and Charlie Kirk. Trump told AIDS he was very unhappy with some of the most influential supporters, including Kirk Carlson and Megan Kelly,

all of whom were publicly urging the administration to come clean. Kirk had held the turning point USA event, the previous date that turned into an Epstein grievance fest with one speaker after another speaker bashing Bondi over her handling the situation. Trump called Kirk and scolded him. This is the story.

Nobody in the Trump's orbit had a better feel for the younger part of Magobase than Kirk who saw that the episode, in cover-up as it was now viewed, was capturing attention to an alarming extent. Donald Trump Jr. and J.D. Vance, both of whom spent considerable time on X were tapped into the same younger and hyper-online portion of the base were also worried. Charlie, apparently, I think the TPP USA crew responded to this and said this call did happen, and they remember when this call happened and the president was furious. I think TPSA, Andrew Kover, may have said,

if I'm not mistaken, they responded to it, right? Yeah. Furious Y' what happened? Yeah. What is that? Oh, this is the tweet. Okay, this is a tweet. It was actually very widely supported at the time that President Trump called Charlie in July. What is that? SAS. I don't know what that is. SASS. We had gone, can you zoom in guys? Listen, I can't reach shit right now. Zoom in. Yeah.

Pretty hard on the Epstein topic at the conference. Student Action Summit. Student Action Summit. There were actually two calls that happened during the Student Action Summit. The President Trump was pretty upset in the first call. true. He thought too many of the supporters were buying into the Democratic tactic to use Epstein Conservatives. That was the first call was pretty sure. But then there was a second call. I believe around 30 to 60 minutes after the call. I asked Charlie how it went. He said to me, we're all good, meaning the end the president had to talk. Charlie said it was a warm call

that the president told Charlie who was doing a great job and that the admin was working on the solutions. Charlie communicated that the grassroots wasn't going to move on easily, but was glad to hear things were in motion. I remember this well because he caught a bunch of bad headlines after the following Monday show for saying he was done talking about Epstein for the time being, and he said he was going to trust his friends, and the ball is in their court to fix it. Charlie was upset by the coverage because of that. So I'll stop here. Tom, your thoughts, what else you got from the five chapters you read so far?

So what I read so far, two things came to mind. Number one, there was dysfunction in the White House. And this is not a newsflash, and I'm not trying to criticize people. We know some of these people. We think highly of them. it was clearly there was like a strategic dysfunction and there were multiple camps and there was not one unified point here. And it also shows that the one person who was leading all of the law enforcement stuff, Pam Bondi apparently made three mistakes. Mistake number one, she got

recorded at a restaurant. That's not rumor. That's not speculation. That's what happened. mistake number two they they put these binders out and apparently the justice department cash and others didn't know what was in them and apparently there was nothing new and when the media got a hold of one and looked through it because i think benny got one a few people got them there wasn't really anything new in that and then her saying they're on my desk and then saying there's 10,000 videos but things didn't come out of it so Pam appeared to be saying things to the media coming out. And now we have very rational appearing reporting that shows that a lot of people are like,

what are we doing? What is the strategy, Pam? And the last that I got out of this, it really looks like Dan Bongino was a rational partner, an outsider legitimately defending the president, trying to come to Washington, trying to make a difference, and immediately being in the middle of something heavy. And I followed the timeline and I went back and right in the middle of what you were reading was when Cash Patel and Dan Bongino did a side-by-side interview. And this wasn't just what we said. Everybody said, is this an interview with the Department of Justice between Bongino and Patel?

Or is this a hostage video? They look like they were stiff. They looked concerned. It didn't look convincing, which is what you want. Everybody remembers that. And the more I read through this, Pat, the more I felt bad, because it really seems like a dysfunctional. So, war happened at the White House between these angles, and we see a lot of it here. So here's my question.

Is there anything specific you want to go to? Like anything specific that stuck, you're, you know, that you were like, holy shit, this is bad. I think this confirms why Bongino left. This confirms why Bondi left. So all the speculation, I think, goes out the door on that. But my question, Tom, is. the umbrella, why? Why all the lying?

Why all the deceit? Why all the secrecy all the way from the top? Because this isn't a Democrat tactic. It's when everybody's talking about the cabal and all the people. I got to stop you. I think you should say confusion, not lying. Well, Tom. All the lying from the top.

I think there was a lot of confusion here. Well, hold on. Were they putting out false information at all to the public about these people and covering? Tom. I don't know. Did Bongino or Cash say things that they believed at the time were correct. I'm not saying cash in bunch. I'm just saying in general, you don't think that we've been lied to about this whole Epstein debacle, the putting up fake stuff and the holding up the

binders and all that stuff. Tom, this seems like it's made. The Andrew COVID talking about the Kirk video is a number one or number two. Tom, this is way up there for me. This is, we're talking about underage people that they were trafficking and they were hooking up with. And they're talking about giving Galane a pardon that would, at the goal, the top of this whole thing. There's two things. By the way. just so you know, every one of these things I just read, I can visualize happening. 100%. What kind of conversations do you think you have when you're in the room, and what do you think

you're trying to protect? Like, honestly, what do you think you're doing? Like, you know, you think when you're in that situation, you're going to come out and tell 100% of the truth on everything? What do you think you're doing like in that position? No, seriously, I'm just telling you, this is a shitty job. Yeah. There aren't too many shittier jobs than dealing with the FBI and, you know, dealing with, you know,

these types of things that these guys are doing. But there's two things I want to ask here. Okay. Maybe this is the wrong question to ask, but I'm thinking about this. So when they walked into the room and it's Wiles, Bongino, and who else was in that room? Todd Blanche. And who else? And cash. And cash. So this is the only question I got. One of those four talked to New York Times. Absolutely correct. So which one of those four did? So think about that. It's not Susie Wild. I don't think it's Todd Blanche because that's Trump's lawyer.

It's not going to be Susie. It's not going to be Blanche. So then it's who? It's Pan Bondi or it's Bongino. Now here's the question. Does this article make Bondi look good? No. Why does it make her look good?

No, no. Did you understand what I'm saying? I don't know if you understand what I'm saying here. What am I saying here? They know what I'm saying here. Did you understand what I'm saying or no? Are you saying that it could have been Bonino? Who else? I mean, who else is in the room, unless if there's a drone, small little, like a mosquito-sized camera flying around and recording everything?

So, by the way, why could it be Bongino? Why could it be Bongino? Because he wasn't, because he's not happy with the way that it's going. Dude, is there a person that's taking a more heat for this bullshit than Bongino? Is there somebody that's taking more shit for this than him? No. Everybody's blamed him. Everybody is saying that, you know, what happened here.

Now, by the way, this article, let's go through this. Let's ask this question, Tom. Who does this article make look bad? Make the list of names. Let's go through it. Let's play a game. Who does this article make look bad? Bondi.

So I want to go bad, horrible, neutral, good. So let's go horrible. Bondi's there. I think Bondi is horrible. Absolutely. Then you got bad. Then you got neutral. Then you got good.

Okay. Cash does not look too good. Good. Does it make cash look bad? Or is cash like? neutral. I think cash is neutral, but not horrible. How about Wiles? Where do you put Susie? Well, she's doing a little damage control, but I don't know.

Bad or neutral? I think it's more neutral. She's trying to do her job. I'm with you. Yes. I'm with you. Who else? Tucker, where do you put Tucker? I think it's neutral. He was going to do the interview. Yep. Okay, great. And Megan Kelly and all them in there too, right? I think Megan Kelly is neutral. It's not good. It's not bad. It's just neutral. Let's mention. Who else? What does Trump end up looking in here? Bad? Okay. So Trump's going to be in the bad category. Okay, who else? What does J.D. look in this? J.D. Vance, I think, is actually his back, what was he saying here? He's like, bro, you guys, well, they're calling him the theorist, but he's like, bro, I'm seeing

the stuff. So what do you want to put J.D. here? Just tell me, what he doesn't look good? You think J.D. looks good? Yeah, I think he looks good. Where do you put Tom? You think J.D. looks good? I think he looks a little, I think halfway between neutral and bad because they're saying Susie Wiles said, the vice president's a conspiracy theorist. Yeah, but if he's right, like, if he's right,

that's the point that could be good. So how about if I put J.D. as neutral. Who else do we have in the, who else do we have? Jelaine Maxwell. Does she look good, bad or it's irrelevant? No, she looks. She looks who she is. She's a sexist.

She's horrible. So we're going to put Jalane here because they don't want to have anything. Blanche, how does Blanche look? Blanche, like I said, Pat, used to be his lawyer. Now they put him as age. I would put them as neutral? Neutral. Okay, great.

But, but always when, when stories like this come out, always pay attention to two people. Those who look horrible, those who look good. It's that simple. It's over. You understand what happened right there? So who's the horrible about? Guess what? Bondi looks horrible.

Bondi is number one on steroids at the highest level. Yeah. At the highest level. And who looks, you know, who looks good is Bongino. Yep, good for you. And do you think a Bongino sat there and says, you know what, the hell with you guys? I had your back. I had this.

I had that. I had this. I'm not messing with this anymore. Do you think Bongino has access to New York Times? You think New York Times reached out to Bonino how to come? Sure. Do you think those things are going to be taking place? I mean, so a part of this is, and I'm not saying anything about Bonino.

I can tell you when you're a man of character, one of the most annoying things where your brand, like if you're not known, like some brands are not known as man of character. So guess what? When your brand isn't character. The market tells you. No, no, you don't give a shit. You're like, I don't give a shit. You know, I've never branded myself as a good guy.

I'm the heel. I'm the bad guy. Yeah, I did that. Charles Berkeley was like, I'm not a role model. I'm not a role model. Exactly. But Bonino's brand has always been what? I'm a secret service.

I'm married to a pro-American. There is nobody that was more annoyed by what happened with Epstein than Bonino. Nobody. Because he was. And this article in this book gives redemption to Bongino. And he deserves it. That's what I'm feeling so far. and I may be wrong.

I may be off, but that's my thoughts. Adam, you. I'm looking forward to the other chapters and the other things because regime change wasn't just about Epstein. I have two thoughts on this. I'll isolate each one. Number one, I've always thought that Dan Bonjino was a good guy. I mean, I don't need to pat myself in the back.

But I never got the impression that he was covering things up or he was a bad guy lying. I think it was a situation where he, you know, the whole Wizard of Oz thing, he took, looked behind the curtain, he saw what was going on. and tried to make the best of what the situation is. But I have a different opinion on the Epstein situation,

and I know it's a little controversial. I happen to find the Epstein situation a massive distraction being utilized by the Democratic Party. And what's the distraction at the core distraction? They could have done this at any given point. During the Biden administration, the Obama administration, why now? Well, maybe, maybe it's because during the Biden administration,

Who was the Borders are? Kamala Harris? Who was the what was Alejandro Mayorkas, the Department of Homeland Security? How many millions of kids went missing? I'm sorry, how many millions of people came into the country? How many hundreds of thousands of kids? Here's some numbers for you. During the last X amount of years, 450,000 kids were missing. 450. Do you know how many the Trump administration has found in the last two years almost?

150,000, meaning they found, they're some. still 300,000 kids missing. Now what happens to these kids? According to Mark Wayne Mullen, who's the new department of DHS, they were raped, they were sexually exploited, they were sold, they were drugged, and

then here's the kicker. Where were the vast majority of these kids found? They were all found in sanctuary cities. So to me, when I say the Epstein thing is a distraction, it's because, don't look over here at the hundreds of thousands of

kids that are missing, they're being raped, being sexually exploited. Don't look over here. Let's all pay attention to the Epstein class. Trump's a racist, Trump's a pedophile, Trump's a Nazi. Look over there. Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump. But don't look over here. Don't look at the tens of millions of people that came into the country. Don't look at the hundreds of thousands of kids are missing and been drugged and raped. Let's focus on Trump. Was Epstein a scumbag? Yes. Do there things they need to be held accountable? Yes. My whole contention is it's been used a distraction by the and a part of the right that fell for this, and it's all Epstein, all Epstein, all everything,

and all these other people are left off the hook. No, Adam, sometimes you're going to hire people. Look. You're saying I'm wrong? No, no. Hear me out. So when you hire an executive, you know, you're not always going to get them right.

You're not. And trust me, I've gotten them wrong many times. And the onus always falls on you or the people you asked that vouch for, that individual, okay? Okay. So here, the administration hired 4,400 people, give or take, when you go into the White House. Of the 4,400 people that you hired, you got the top 50 that are the most important job, whatever those jobs are. Bondi got a pretty big job. Now, the connection of Florida, Tony John, a massive job, right? Massive, massive job. And guess what happened? She failed at her

job at the highest level. And, but that doesn't mean this stuff didn't happen. That doesn't mean the Epstein stuff didn't happen. The Democrats are going to use, your enemy is going to use whatever, your enemy's never going to highlight your victories. Never. Like imagine like the guys that make negative videos about us, go find one video that they highlighted something that you do positive. That's just not how it works. The market doesn't work that way, right? And so, and this isn't like, you know, oh my God, you know, no, this is how the market works. The market is trying to look for change, conflict, controversy to sell. That's what media makes money off of. Those three C-letter words, right? But to undermine this and say, this is not a big deal and now this is coming back in

a front, because you know what story kind of set this aside for the last two and a half months? What story? Iran. Iran. And guess what? Iran's about to be done. And when Iran is done, well, Iran's going to be done here soon. When it's done, this is going to come back up. This is going to make a comeback. This ain't going away. Just so you know that. Like, this is not going away anytime soon. I don't think it's going away. But to your credit, Yes, you said change, controversy, and conflict. Yeah. But there's a whole narrative, and I don't want to take more than a second,

that they think that Trump started the Iran war as a distraction from Epstein. That's the people are idiot. That's their job. Let them do that. That's their job. We're supposed to do that. I'm learning the isolation thing is that Epstein thing, a real thing. Is it a real problem?

Yes. But is it also being used as a distraction to cover up from all the situation at the border? I say one thing that you said that. You said Majorcas was your number one enemy. Adam, 100%. No, no, no, I love that. That is a huge problem in itself. And that happened this past four years.

Epstein has been around forever. And it wasn't the Democrats that said, hey, we're going to release this and we're going to release that. No, no, it was the Republicans. It was Pam Bondi. It was Cash Patel. And it was Dan Bongino. And then they came in and everything stopped

because, like you said, the curtain was pulled back. But this, don't get me wrong. And he nailed it. Yeah, the Democrats didn't start this. The Democrats went, oh, my God. there's a problem. Jump on top of it. It was the Republicans.

It wasn't a campaign promise. But the moment they won, they're like, hey, guess what? The Epstein files are coming out. Let me tell you what could happen here. Let me tell you what could happen here with the president. Because the president's sitting here. You can take different angles with Epstein on why this upsets the president.

Okay. So the people that the Democrats and the woke right to hates Trump, guess what they want this to be? They want this to be every day. No, no. They want Trump to be on the last. list because he did something with somebody. They want to say he is part

of that pedophile. The Epstein class. Yeah. But not the class because you could be part of the class because you have money and you're in the circle but actual action having gone to the island. Not the fact that Clinton went there. Not the fact that Clinton's painting is in a

middle of a Epstein's property that was given to him by Lex Wexner that's, you know, whatever, $77 million dollar gift. No, no. Don't focus on that. We got to take Trump out, right? Okay, so number one is, Trump's the target. Okay, number two is Masas the target. Why?

Because he used Epstein to give Intel to all these powerful people back to the Mossad. Do I think that happened? I'm 80% that's happened. I'm 80% that, that. And there's on what Ihood Barack comes to your house, 32, whatever, whatever on the times. Oh, we're just hanging out playing back on. Stop it. Okay, so there's something going on there.

So that's the second thing that they're trying to figure out. What's the third thing? The third thing is, you know, when it comes down to this, is, you know, you're dealing with the kids. We have to address this. We have to go, okay, no problem. To me, as you're going through these different issues, the president, if he comes out all of a sudden, and, you know, he says, look, because let's just say the Masa thing is happening. Let's just say the Mossad Epstein thing happened. Who do you think is the most worried about that if that did happen?

actually think if Masad did use Epstein to gather intel on world leaders, BB and who else? Israel. Yeah, of course. Okay. I have a different opinion, but... But I'm just saying, remember, I'm saying if, everything here is if. Okay.

So do you think if this keeps reappearing and annoying the hell out of this and people are saying that Trump is protecting who? He's protecting the wealthy class, right? The friends and people that gave them money, right? Donors, donors. Donors. Epstein class.

Do you think a part of that could have happened? Okay? Or maybe that's the speculation. Yes. Okay. But if this next phase goes through and Trump is sitting here saying, hey, man, I am so sick of this. Imagine if Trump comes out and says, look, I don't know if Epstein was selling some intel to Israel. I don't know why Hu-Hood-Brock was at Epstein's house all the time.

Is Ewebock a Democrat or Republican? I think he's a lefty, right? He's a Democrat. Okay. So if Trump goes there and says, hey, I don't know why this Democrat from Israel is coming here. Do I think he would use Epstein to spy on everybody? I think that's possible. I think if he goes and read, you know, readjust the messaging and allows the market to say, yeah, maybe there is a,

and let Israel defend the argument instead of you having to defend the argument. I don't know if you get what I'm saying. I get it. Put the onus on somebody else to come out there and defend the argument instead of you defend the argument. I don't know. But the reality of it is, this story ain't going away. It ain't going away. And you've got to find a way to protect it. And Bonino probably went out there and said, look, I'm not going to have myself be the freaking punching bag. And there was a place Bonino was walking around with his wife. And a guy came, started saying, you're a

pet of five protected. I don't know if you've seen this book or not. I remember. It's at some event. If you find this on X, you'll see it. You're a pedophile. It's like, how many times can a guy with that kind of pride who does his best to be a good man? How many of those videos can he handle? Not too many of them. Not, not too many of them. Not too many people can handle those types of things happen over and over again. Anyways, anybody have any final thoughts before we move on? Okay, let's move on. All right, next story I want to get to is we can go into the Karen Bass story. Vinnie, what is the story with Karen Bass's brother who is suing the city, L.A., who her brother is the mayor of. Okay. To get my, what the

is the story about? There's a massive lawsuit against the city of Los Angeles after her brother's home, Malibu home, burned down in the Palis. thousands, obviously, Pat, are suing the city, claiming leadership failed to prepare for the response to the disaster. And the irony is brutal. She was already getting hammered for leaving to Ghana while the warnings. So I remember the leaked audio, Pat, that that guy put out, that the dangerous winds were coming, the fire conditions were coming in, and then people were asking why the city looks so unprepared, the dry of fire hydrants, the lack of resources, the confusion everywhere. And now her brother is suing the city that his sister runs. And I'm,

Like, this tells you everything. Even her own family, Pat, this is the irony of everything. Gets burned by the city's incompetence. Okay, and imagine being the mayor of Los Angeles. You leave the country while you know everything bad is going to come. And then your own brother does this, okay? And honestly, you know what I would say? Like, your sister is the mayor.

Skip the lawsuit, go to her office and tell her. This is next level failed leadership in the crazy part, Pat. She'll probably still going to be mayor. She's still in first place. And that's California politics. a nutshell. The city can burn down. Leadership can fail completely in front of the freaking entire country and your own brother can end up suing the very city that's correct. Is this the video? Go forward. We are learning L.A. Mayor Karen Bass's own brother is part

of a massive lawsuit against the city over the Palisades fire. We're diving into the court documents naming him as one of the plaintiffs. Thanks again for joining us live at ABC 7. Disney Plus and everywhere you stream. I'm David Ono. I'm Liz Nagy. In for Giovanna Lara, thousands of property owners who saw their homes burned to the ground in the past. Like, is it, is it wild, Tom? Like, does it boggle your mind that the brother of the mayor who some would say is one of the main reasons while she wasn't even here when it happened and you're trying to get money now from that city?

Now taxpayers have to pay for it. Is that ridiculous? Yeah, I have an idea. I have bought. Go ahead. Okay. Karen Bass. Is she going to win in November?

I very, very highly likely. Yeah, it's up above 80%. Because people love that. Unless something weird happens, Nithia Raman, you know, if you take the moderate Spencer Pratt voters who have been shut out, disenfranchised, whatever you want to say. And I think there's funny business, but I'll just say that that's what Tom Ellsworth thinks. So, okay, who are they going to vote for?

They're going to vote for Karen Bass because they're not going to take Nithiaraman, no this what they would say crazy socialist Marxist yes so therefore Karen Bass can be reelected Karen Bass will then term limit out her 2026 2030 will be it she's out of term limits I happen to think that she's turning a blind eye to this and she's allowing her brother to get a settlement from the from the city I don't think she cares I think she's going to let it happen and it's a way that that graft is going to go to her brother I don't think they got together at the dinner table says, hey, I got an idea, sis.

I'll sue you. But he's not suing her. He's suing the city. And remember, her position is going to be the same thing that it was. She fired that police chief. Remember the lady? The self-identified lesbian. Yes.

Remember her, and I'm describing her the way she described herself. And they tried to, you know, really paint that. fire chief has having let the mayor down. Yes. So this is Karen Bass. This is the way it's going to go. I fired the fire chief after too many things that broke in the public about our discussions, but that fire chief did it wrong.

There was a lack of leadership. I'm with Angelinos. Yes. She's going to allow money to go to her brother. That's what I think's going on. Adam. And I think it's dark. I think it's a story that needs to be talked about.

I just want to give a different perspective. you see what the New York Times wrote about what's going on in California? Did you see that specific article? No. Not on this, but about voting, right? About the vote. New York Times rips California for indefensible, lengthy vote counting process. The New York Times, the most leftist liberal magazine newspaper, is ripping on California.

Do you just see this? Here's some of the words. They said what happens to California is indefensible the voting. It's a failure of government. There's no good reason that California takes so long to count votes. Most other large U.S. states and cities, including those in Texas, Florida, Michigan, and Virginia do so very quickly. It's a burdensome process. And what's going on with this ballot harvesting in California?

That was my own little two cents, allegedly, not part of the article. But what is going on? No, the article talks about that. Do you know how bad it has to get when the New York Times is starting to rip on what you're doing in the left? That's like Fox News ripping on Trump. Yeah. You don't see these types of things. How do you feel about her,

how do you feel about her freaking brother suing the city that she's in charge of for failing and then his house getting burned down? What's the hypocrisy? And Nithia Rahman, did you see what she had to say? She says, I'm so sorry. I blame voter frustration for supporting all the support of Spencer Pratt. Yeah, you think? She says, I know many people in the city voted for.

Spencer Pratt, who gave voice to the fear and anger of so many in this city that people are feeling right now. Voter frustration is the reason that they're sick of what's going on in California. And whatever they did to basically flip it overnight from, she gave a concession speech. Do we covered it? She conceded the race. Yes. I'm so sorry, guys. I let you down.

And now she's going to be in the runoff. I mean this, I mean this like rhetorically. burn California to the ground and start over. Well, guess what? Under her leadership, it almost did. Exactly. By the way, James O'Keefe, since you went to that story on Skid Row, Pat, they caught people that were getting, paying homeless, junkie crackheads on the street,

$2 to vote for in the election. And there's so many videos of it. Multiple, multiple videos I showed yesterday, Pat, of literally homeless people going, yeah, they came, they gave me $2, they gave me $4, they gave me $5. And the lady that was actually on campus. and the lady that was actually on camera on James O'Keefe's thing doing it, Pat, paying these people, she was just arrested.

There's a picture of the ballot, empty ballot, and a post-it that said, you remember the name was? And it was funny. It was Karen. You are now Karen Williams, I think it was? Great. Yeah, exactly. Is this it?

This is one of the people that was getting paid. Yeah, can you play this video? And then, uh, did they come down here and try and pay you to vote? Yes. On a ballot? Yes. How much they pay you? $5.

$5. That's better than the two bucks they give the other lady. You never get that key though? Yeah. So they told you you vote for Karen Bass or in the city? Karen Bass. They vote for Karen Bass. Yeah.

For $5. Did you vote? Oh, this lady, two bucks, this lady. For Karen Bass? Yeah. They told you vote for Karen. Yeah, they had to sign a little thing. Poor friggy girl.

And how much they pay you? It was like two bucks. Two bucks? They had to sign off on a thing, to vote for her. Yeah. say, oh, do you want to vote for Karen or Nithia? Or they just really just tell you to vote for Karen, huh? They gave you an option to vote for, but they tell me who they want to.

They tell you who you want to vote for. They'll tell you who you'll give you $2 and you got to vote for one of these people. Pat, can I actually, can you guys? Let me hear what he says. Four dollars. He's a businessman. But here's my thing. How is this not, Pat, the number one.

They are paying people and Jamesville keep always is a great job. And it's always like his stories never go past like people. arrested for it and then that's it. That's how all these votes are coming in and there's all like 62,000 votes that went up towards Nithiaram or whatever it was. That's about the average of how many people are there. Hanging out, Skid Row.

James O'Keefe does a great deal. Pat, let me ask you, these are American citizens. So even if they pass the SAVE Act, they can't stop this corruption, can they? You know what I'm saying? Like, they're American citizens. So there's corruption embedded in the system and then externally from the system.

Well, there's things that have to happen. There's things who would have to happen with mail-in ballot tonight. You're a California guy. I mean, how do they deal with something like this? You look there 20 years. You don't see what he passed five days before the election, what Newsom passed? What was that?

He doesn't, he allows you to watch, but you have no right to question the integrity of the election. You can't question it. It's a crime nowadays after what he did. May 27th, if I'm not mistaken, right? On May 27th, what's that again? Mail and ballots. Yeah, you can't even do it.

It's like, no, no, no. What do you mean what happens if you question it? Like, listen, you know what's the most honest country when it comes on to elections? Like typically, like cream of the crop and I'm not just saying this because someone's in the room. Chile. You know how they do it in Chile?

Can you pull up the clip on how they do elections in Chile? Adam, in Chile, when you vote, they allow cameras to come and see every vote that comes in and they scream out the person's name. Oh, wow. They'll say, boom, vote for here. Boom. Vote for here. You're watching every single ballot that comes in that's counted publicly with

hundreds of videos in front of them. Like, streamers can go and record what you're doing. Yeah, look at this. Can you press play? Watch it. Transparency. Look at this. Look how many mics are in their faces. And there's one person. You have, you have people from the left, people from the right, and they're showing you who it's going to. So in Chile, they trust their election. How many people live in Chile, by the way? In Australia, if you don't vote, that's a $20. Are you serious?

You know, in Chile and multiple other countries, the day before election and the day of election, you cannot have any liquor open, you cannot have any bars open. Every bar has to shut down the day and day before of election. Really? Every, yeah. In Chile? In Chile. And I think in a couple of other countries, in a couple of other countries, restaurants are closed

for 24 hours. Like nothing. You can't go anywhere. They just want to make sure. It's almost like a national holiday. Yes. We have so much access to great. technology to be able to make it 100% honest and trust, but I'm convinced they don't want this.

They know, by the way, you know what's crazy? This is the part that we talked about the other day. Watch this. You know what happened with the game with the Knicks and the, and the, what he called it, the spurs, right? Remember that one play, there was this play that Wembe goes to shoot a three. He hits the three and he gets foul because Johnson was hit him. Johnson's like, dude, the guy pushed me from the back. So, Robinson.

So they go do the instant replay. And they say, no, this is, guess what? They overturned. And then on the other side, when Wemby's going to go to catch the ball, they show the clip. Vemby's like, dude, these guys are pulling my arm down. The clip was that cat was pulling his arm down. They flip and the position goes the other way. Can you imagine, Vinny, we have instant replay in baseball.

You can find out what the strike zone is and where the ball was. You have instant replaying tennis to see if it's an ace or not. You have instant replaying football to see if your foot was on the line or not. You have instant replaying basketball to see if, but no instant replay in voting. Yeah. Because guess what? You know, integrity and basketball, baseball, football is a lot more important than elections. Who cares about elections?

You're just hiring the next president. This safe act thing that went 50 to 48 with these four Republicans that sat out with, you know, a couple of these names. Mitch McConnell and the other. Massey. Yeah, a couple of these guys that sat out. I don't even think Massey was on that list. Was Massey on the list of four that didn't vote? No, you had...

Humberto was... Collins? He voted no. Oh, he voted no. The Fordham... Stavis, Thun, and... Collins. Susan's Collins is the one that I'm thinking about.

Mitch McConnell. Can you imagine these guys? We were about to have the most powerful thing tool to protect elections for everybody to have voter ID. By two votes, it didn't go through. That was one of the most important issues by two votes. Nobody wants election integrity.

It's just a bunch of bullshit. They don't want no election integrity. What side of the left? The left doesn't want no election integrity. If you want an election integrity, you want an election integrity, you could do it like this. You don't want no election integrity. They want to say no cameras a lot.

Remember one time we were going in there and we were recording. We wanted to kind of record the fact that we had all our employees recording. What do they say? Take the cameras out. What are you worried about? Yeah, exactly. What are you worried about? You know what they should say?

Oh, come on in. Would you like a cup of water? Come on in. Bring the cameras in. We have nothing to be afraid of. Go record as much as you want. No, they don't want an election integrity. Anyways, okay, let's talk about two stories and I will wrap up.

Number one, congratulations to Mexico. They beat South Africa yesterday. Was it South Africa? Yeah, was South Africa yesterday. Two to zero, three red cards. South Africa was pretty much trying to destroy the players. I think U.S. today is playing Paraguay. Okay.

Never in the history of a World Cup, has there been three red cards in the first game? You know you get kicked out of the next game when you get a red card. They're done. Today, U.S. is playing Paraguay, which should be great. By the way, I'm walking around the office. Every office I walk into when Mexico was playing, they were all watching the game. So guys, if you're watching this right now from Vitam and Lion Holding guys, come on guys. Come on guys.

At least watching on a bigger screen, not on a small little phone that you're watching these games with. But today, U.S. is going out against Paraguay. It should be exciting. It should be interesting. Again, folks, for those of you guys that are watching this, you may want to go. For those of guys that are watching, the guys give me a list of the hats that sold the most. Okay. From the soccer hats that we had.

Okay. Can you go to the hats on VTmerge.com? Check this out. U.S. hat is number one. Guess what hat was number two? Mexico was number two. But you know who was three? Iran was number three.

Well, of course. Iran was number three. If you go on the hats, I think right there, you just had it a minute ago. Yeah, if you go there, Iran's hat with Shahan Shahi logo on it was three. Then you have Brazil, then Portugal, then Colombia, then Netherlands, then Argentina. So, folks, if you want to represent your country, go get it here. And if you go a little bit lower on the Iran one, Iran was hot. Can you go to the Iran hat that we had?

go to the picture next rob if you could okay they look at that look at the logo right there we ran shah and shahi that we have on there anyways if you are wanting to represent your team the shirt go to vtemerge.com get your gear on there let's wrap up with the final story nicks are playing the spurs the spurs are in new york half time they're up something like 29 points they got to lead everyone's saying the game is over dilly stays with me says dad Please don't say anything because I don't think it's over. Good for Dilly boy. Wow.

We sit till to the very end. And then going to fourth quarter, they got a 15-point lead. And then in the fourth quarter, they take the 15-point lead, and they end up winning by one point, the biggest comeback in a history of NBA finals, maybe even playoff history ever, but it's definitely the finals. It was the most embarrassing thing I've ever seen in my life. Charles Barkley, I don't know if you have this clip or not. Charles Barkley called it

hands down the worst officiating he's ever seen in his life. He said this is the dumbest officiating I've ever seen in my life. I'll send it to you. It was so embarrassing. And by the way, if you're watching this, if you were a Knicks fan

and you were at that game, guess what? You probably attended the greatest Knicks game ever. So if you paid $50,000 for it or whatever the ticket price was, you got your money's worth. Half time is this it, this is it. Watch us clip, folks.

Go ahead. Terrible. That was a dumb-ass plate. He did not have to shoot that ball. They could have just got foul. There was no reason him to shoot that ball. The video I just sent you, the video I just sent you, you had a portion of it. Go to the video I just sent you and watch what he says here.

It's a little longer. Watch this. Watch this clip here by Barclay. It makes a very good point. Go ahead. Refresh. Refresh? Oh, you can't do it.

Okay. The dumbest basketball team. The history of civilization. Wow. We saw they had a 25-point lead to eight straight threes. Eight straight. Like, they thought to get, like, that was some of the most mismanaged stupid basketball. Hey, when you brought a 29-point league, the other team has to help you.

The San Antonio Spurs. The other team has to help you. When you come back from 29 points, the other team has to help them. You can pause it right there. So are they playing tonight? Is the next game tonight? The next game is Saturday night. Saturday night.

Saturday night. Tomorrow night. So what do you think is going to happen? It's back in the Spurs. I think, right? Back in San Antonio. There's no way. It's back in San Antonio.

There's no way the Spurs can lose. Like this. Hold on. The fact that they got a 29 point lead means they're obviously ridiculously good. But what? That's a failure. There's no way they're going to lose at home this game. Adam.

That's my prediction. I mean, I don't know who's looking down on the Knicks right now. Some say it's Allah, some say it's Jesus, some say it's Hashem. I don't know. The series should be 2-2 right now. Stephen A. Smith should be, he's feuding with Trump right now. He should be crying and begging for a game 6 in New York. Ultimately, here's what I think is going to happen.

It's going back to San Antonio. San Antonio is going to win. Game 5 tomorrow night. They're going to win. It should be a 2-2 series. They should be going back to New York up 3-2. They're going to be going back to New York down. Down two to three, New York Knicks, Madison Square Garden, game six.

Everyone's been saying Nixon six, Nixon six, Nixon six. I'm sorry to disappoint you. I think the Spurs are the better team. I think the Knicks, by the glory of Allah, shout out to Mamdani, are somehow ahead in this series. I don't know what's going on here. I think the Spurs, I don't know if they need a coaching pep talk. I don't know if Charles Berkeley needs to walk in there or slap some people around. I don't know if they got to bring back

David Robinson and Tim Duncan and Manu Genobli. They need to wake up and realize Wembe. Stop chucking threes from half court. Get your tall, skinny ass in the court and start dunking on people. And Deerrin Fox, your former All-Star. Wake up, buddy.

And there's a, by that was a superstar, Stephen Castle, and the other kid that's Ron Harper's son. Ron Harper came to the boredom. That guy's incredible. But by the way, most underrated best player in the NBA, is Jalen Brunson. If they win, it's because of Brunson. I think the Spurs are going to pull this thing off still.

Call me New York Hater, all you want. You think Spurs are going to win the whole thing, come back from a three to one? I think Spurs are going to win game five. And I think this is going to go seven. You think it's done? What are you saying? Is it done? Nicks are winning in what?

I think the Nix will win. If Nicks won tomorrow, it's over. No, I don't think they win tomorrow. They'll win the next game. So you're Knicks and Six. So Nickson and Six, where are you? Everybody's saying, shout out the man. My gut tells me, I'm a believer in emotion and

momentum, and this really breaks a team hard. It would not surprise me to see the Knicks win, you know, a rather sedentary game by seven points in San Antonio, Pat. That would not surprise me. It is hard to get yourself emotionally off the mat after something like this happens. It will not surprise me there, but if it goes back to Madison Square Garden, I don't think the Knicks lose that game. You're right. By the way, I want to give a shot. shout out to somebody. The Knicks fans out there that are in the garden, God bless you. The Knicks fans

that are outside in the streets, could you be more disrespectful and more annoying and more disgusting? What? The Defendix fans? They threw eggs at Wemby. They're going to burn down the streets. The pro-Palestine crowd will take over New York and burn that city down.

I'm telling you right now. They were lighting a guy's hair on fire that had a Spurs jersey. They went into five guys and beat the hell out of the kid that was working there. And he was trying to hit them with a, with a basket of fright, like, no jokes. Absolute scumbags in New York right now. Yeah, did you, do you have the clip

would when be getting thrown the? Look at this. Pat, look at this. This is inside of five guys. This is mom down. He's New York. Look at this. Put the volume up. Look at this. What do you mean this is inside of? This is inside of five guys in New York. Yeah, look at this, Pat. This is the employee. They jump behind the counter.

Let's defund the police, though, New York. Look, look, Pat, he's trying to defend himself. Look, Pat, they really. mess them off too like blood on the page. No, but to be honest, he didn't include the fries in the order. Well, that's, yeah, but look at this. Look at this, bro. Look, hitting him in the head with a chair, that's attempted murder.

Like, his head was cracked. Really? Yes. Head was cracked and bleeding. By the way, this is like PG-13 compared to what was going on on the streets. Oh, no, the streets, forget. I mean, do you have other videos? Look, what New York is doing is the scuffs? He's on the floor bleeding. By the way, your team

won. This is the team winning. But Pat, did you see the one video that... Watch the Wemby one. Here's Wemby, I just send it to you. Wemby getting hit into... I mean, this is New York for you, unfortunately. You see, look, boom, they hit him with an egg.

Go back a little bit. Look, miss, they hit him again. First of all. That's the dumbest thing ever. But that kid would do very good at the circus shows when you're trying to hit Target. It's not an easy thing to do. He could win a big teddy bag.

With all this negative stuff, with all this negative stuff, there was one positive. Humberto knows. I told you this beforehand. One positive thing came out of this entire Knicks run for the first time. I think New York sports may have solved

the race relations about this country, Patrick. But all the stories talk about black and white. It might even have cured racism. Can you play this from the beginning? Go for it. This is a black dude in the street after the wind. Audio on the top right.

Yeah. The full team! And I got their back. The white people. Why people can say the N-word. You better. You better. Oh, boys, boys, come on.

I'm not going to hurt them. I'm not going to hurt them. I'm giving a pass. What's he saying? Given the past of the N-word. I love you, niggas. I don't want to watch it. I don't want to watch this.

I don't want to watch us. So, yeah, so it's crazy what's happening with the streets. I do know this is a very good thing. By the way, viewership. Did you see the viewership on what happened? It's got to be the highest. No, NBA viewership, the game three, not game four. Game three was one of the most viewed

NBA playoff games ever in the history of the NBA. Do you know why? Why? Because LeBron James wasn't playing. And who was there? Watch this number here. Look at this. 26.3 fourth quarter. It peaked. That's game three. We don't even have game four numbers yet. Oh, okay. Game four numbers. And the peak of all time is Michael Utah Jazz 38 million, which was Michael's last game, was 38 million until he came back and later on played for a couple other guys. But I wouldn't be surprised when the numbers come back from yesterday to be one of the top five, top six,

most viewed NBA games of all time. Why? They're allowing them to play defense. It's aggressive. It's not flopping. They're playing strong. They're hitting each other. You want to see that. This whole Chris Paul, LeBron James, you know, era of soft. And by the way, including

SGA, I'm convinced if SGA was in the finals, it wouldn't be this many eyeballs. I'm telling you right now, it wouldn't be this many eyeballs. Because his game is a foul, you know, his game is. Bronson goes in and fights you. When these are very, so good for the two teams that are playing aggressive and bringing back fans. And I hope it continues. And I hope they, if this goes game seven, game seven will be a top three most viewed game in the history of the NBA. Where do you go to game seven? Chances of going game seven. No, what do you think at?

Who wins and when? Look, I know this is going to sound crazy. I mean, my opinion, the spurs should be up three zero. You know, the other two games they lost, you know, out of the four games they lost. Three one. The three games they lost. The two that they lost, they lost by one point. Yeah. They should be up three to one. This is not even a conversation. Okay, so they should be up three to one. I'm thinking spurs should win. I'd like to see the spurs win. But at the end of the day, sometimes Pompeiano was here on Wednesday we talked.

He says sometimes there's teams of destiny. And the way the New Orleans won many, many years ago, this could be a year for the next to win. I think there's something here that has to do with that. but I think to me, I like Wemby as the face of the league because the other team does not have a crazy, crazy superstar. The other team is like the Detroit Pistons that was beating everybody without a superstar. Chauncey Billups was not a superstar. You know.

Hamilton, Ben Wallace. No, these guys were not superstars. That's just kind of a team. They were a team. They were a very good team. Well, look, the big winner here, to be honest with you, is the NBA. I agree.

I agree. They couldn't ask for a better final. I agree. And by the way, that one thing on what, what's his name said after the interview where we were sitting there getting emotional because he had visited a kid, Jalen Brunson. Jalen Brunson.

Very emotional video. Good for them. This is very good. They're doing it the right way. Last but not least, before we wrap up, Vinnie, you have a venting with Vinny on Vali taming comedy. If you guys haven't seen it, go check out the latest show. Venting with Vinny on Valuetam and comedy.

Maybe put the comment, put the link of Venting with Vinny in the bottom in the chat for people to go find out. Vinny went off yesterday. Go watch what he had to say. Guys, have a phenomenal weekend. I don't know if we'll do podcasts on Monday. There's an event going on this weekend. I'm going to a wedding, and I may be going to a fight.

And if we do, we may not do podcasts on Monday, but we'll let you know if we do or if we do not. Having said that, enjoy your wonderful weekend. God bless everybody. Bye-bye, bye-bye.