PBD Podcast - "The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586

Episode Date: May 14, 2025

Congressman Curt Weldon, Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer (DIA, Army Intel), and Major Eric Kleinsmith expose a suppressed pre-9/11 intel program—Able Danger—that allegedly identified key hijackers before the attacks. From deep state interference to destroyed data and bin Laden’s real location, this explosive conversation challenges everything you thought you knew.------Ⓜ️ MINNECT WITH CURT WELDON: https://bit.ly/43ego5wⓂ️ MINNECT WITH ANTHONY SCHAFFER: https://bit.ly/3YGVMBM⁠⁠⁠👕 THE LATEST VT MERCH: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BZbD6l⁠⁠⁠📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/41rtEV4⁠⁠⁠📰 VTNEWS.AI: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3OExClZ⁠⁠⁠🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2⁠⁠⁠🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh⁠⁠⁠🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A⁠⁠⁠📱 CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC⁠⁠⁠👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7⁠⁠⁠🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw⁠⁠⁠📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or⁠⁠⁠💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time!ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

9-11, the biggest event that cost the most American lives ever. Why do we only spend 15 million dollars to investigate that? The whole thing is a cover-up and that's why I'm here. I know the game. You know they have needles they insert in people that give them fast-moving cancer. You can do that to me. Come on. No, I'm not. Come on. I've had two staffers that both worked for the CIA. One was threatened. I was working with him when he died. But that's not right in America. Yeah, you know, it's interesting you say that because I had such a good conversation with him. I said, do you mind coming back a month later? Months later,

Rob tells me he passed away. When I came back from Afghanistan, I want to talk about evil danger. I was immediately suspended. And so what I'm going to tell you now is what I told them. Two of the terrorists on 9-11 were on the payroll of the CIA at the time. Now, look, I'm not accusing anybody. All I'm telling you is stop this bullsh-t! This is America! Let the people know the truth!

He was in the middle of all of this. All I can tell you is one of the first calls at my home that night was from Joe Biden. Unbelievable. And he said, Kurt, I'm sorry a special show here today. In regards to 9-11, a lot of people are saying, why are you doing this? Because the last five years, the only strike we ever got on YouTube the last four and a half years was when we interviewed Richard Gates. So there's a risk to having this conversation, but we have a lineup of people that are qualified

to talk about this. Kurt Weldon, the younger generation knows Julian Assange and they know Snowden. But prior to them, the main guy, I would say a lot of people who would say that, including even a couple presidents, but one of them being Biden, there's a clip of him being very complimentary of you. When you guys went to Iraq together on Memorial Day,

we have that clip we'll play later on, was Kurt Weldon. 20 years, you served in the Congress, former fire chief, you've been in that space, you were very vocal about 9-11 and from there there's been a lot of different conversations about it, so it's great to have you here. And then also Tony Schaeffer, Tony Schaeffer, retired Army Lieutenant Colonel, Defense Intelligence Agency Officer, key liaison for Able Danger connection to 9-11. He went public in 2005 as a whistleblower stating that Able Danger had identified Mohammed Attah and three other 9-11 hijackers in 2000, but attempts to pass the information to FBI were blocked by military lawyers.

We'll talk about that today. Thank you for your service. Great to have you here. And then Eric, former US Army Major and intelligence officer as well, connected to 9-11 Abel Danger. He was tasked with overseeing data mining and charting operations at Landon Formation Warfare Activity and worked closely with Abel Danger team. He testified before Congress that he was ordered to destroy the 2.5 terabytes that we've all read about.

We've seen this. The 2.5 terabytes of data including references to terrorist cells due to concerns over legality of holding information on US persons. Is it fair to say this the first time you guys are doing a show together live? Yes, absolutely. It is. Okay, fantastic. So look, we have a lot of topics to go through.

And we'll put the link below, Rob, to this presidential commission on 9-11 We've we had a commission before but it wasn't a presidential commission So President Trump could ideally do a presidential commission if he chose to want to go a little bit deeper to find out what Happens here the link to the information is going to be here for everybody would want to go get it You can get the PDF and read through it, but I'm a business guy So I got a business question for you And I'm going to start off with you know we can go any direction you want to go. As a business guy, when you run a company and you're managing risk and where resources

go, things happen and your team will come up to you. Let me tell you what just happened with compliance. Here's what we're facing. These guys could take $30 million of business away from us. If we do this, the risk here is $30,000. If we do this here, okay. So whatever is the biggest risk, that's the biggest damage to the company, you give the most resources, lawyers, research forensics to go investigate it, right?

That's business. I'm thinking from a business lens. But for me, the part out of everything that we got on 9-11 Commission, and there's a lot of them, Monica Lewinsky, okay, when you look at what happened in, you know, January 17, 1998, January 26 is when he said I did have Relations with Monica Lewinsky They spent 30 million dollars to investigate this Incident that happened the three-year relationship between Monica Lewinsky and the president Clinton at the time. Nobody died

No one was physically hurt matter of fact people probably got healthier because of the three years or whatever happened. But it's not like somebody got hurt because of it. 30 million there. 9-11 happens. 2,977 people die. That leads to a war that taxpayers spent roughly $8 trillion, war on terror, due to 9-11. Outside of the 2977 that died, there's another 4,500 people that died due to effects of it afterwards.

And this is documented. We can read it everywhere. So for Monica Lewinsky, we spent $30 million for 9-11, the biggest event that cost the most American lives ever, more than Pearl Harbor, because that's 24-03, 2,977. Why do we only spend $15 million to investigate that and spend $30 million for Lewinsky and nobody died here? Why do you think that is? Well, after serving in Congress for 20 years

and representing all the firefighters at the same time, I can tell you the reason. It's because the deep state was heavily involved in the 9-11 cover-up, and the deep state didn't want the information out about the truth. The deep state's experts are creating the spin that they accuse other people of doing.

And the deep state, when 9-11 happened, diverted all of our attention to Al-Qaeda, to the need to send our troops overseas. I took that very seriously, then I found out that Bin Laden wasn't even in Afghanistan. That's another topic we can talk about. But the Deep State controlled the spin. The media played right into the Deep State. Now let me tell you, five years ago, I had a private meeting with Seymour Hersh. You know who Seymour Hersh is? The number one investigative reporter in the country. Dennis Kucinich, a liberal Democrat, asked me to meet with him.

Seymour Hersh said to me, Congressman, you have one hell of a story. I said, you have no permission to publish anything right now after what they did to my family. He said, okay, let's meet four months from now. We met four months later. And he said, I verified every fact and detail you told me. Brennan and Clapper wanted you not to assume the role of chairman of the Armed Services Committee.

They went to Mueller and asked Mueller to do a favor and disrupt your election. It was all about keeping me from becoming chairman to have unlimited subpoena power to ask the questions that you're going to ask today, to give the American people the answers to what happened, what do we know before 9-11, what happened in 9-11, and what do we do after 9-11. This whole thing, an answer to your risk manager question, was

controlled by the Deep State. Who was the Deep State in 01? I can't push to any one person, but I would tell you that Brendan Clapper was in the middle of all of this, as the leaders of the agency. He was in the middle of all of this. Well, I can't, again, I only talk about what I can take a polygraph and take a lie detector test over. All I can tell you is what I was told is by Seymour Hersh that Brennan and Clapper did not want me to assume the chairmanship.

Both parties, my party Republican, in three weeks before my election, they ordered a raid on my daughter's house and listen carefully, they raided my daughter's house and never talked to my daughter. Never, ever, no one, ever. They carry boxes out of her home with TV cameras from across the country there. FBI agents sent from D.C. This is long before Donald Trump. Donald Trump wasn't even around in 2006. They raided my daughter's house, carried boxes out,

never talked to her, ever. No one. The same day they did that, they raided a lawyer's house right near my home. The lawyer at the time was working FBI counterintelligence against Russia that I had arranged two years earlier. When the agents from DC arrived in his office, the counterintel agents were already sitting in his office. So he had two sets of agents in his office at the same time. And when they found out from DC, their first question was, well, Mr. Gallagher, aren't you

related to Congressman Kurt Weldon? And Gallagher started laughing at them because my wife's maiden name is Gallagher. They had been given bad information, and I know who gave them the bad information. There's no relationship. They apologized to Gallagher, but they did want a file he had. And I'm going to tell you what that file contains. It contains information about our top spy in the Russian Far East named Douglas Kent. John Gallagher took the case because a 20-year-old Russian child named Alexander Koshyn was broadsided by a drunken State Department employee in Vladivostok.

That kid became a quadripleg, but he had relatives in Philadelphia. They contacted John Gallagher, asked him to take the case. He took a pro bono. No money involved. I helped him. John, as a file, six inches thick, that's what they wanted, because when that person, that senior State Department official who was our top CIA agent in the Russian Far East, Douglas Kent, when he was hired by the CIA, he was the vice chairman of the American Nazi party Party and there are photographs of him in uniform and a Nazi uniform when he was hired by the CIA. That's what they wanted. Had nothing to do with me. But they ruined my daughter's life and career

to stop me from becoming chairman and in 2000 both Donald Rumsfeld and the number two leader in the Defense Department, Deputy Secretary of Defense John Hamer, wrote one-page letters endorsing me to become chairman of the Armed Services Committee. And three months after they ruined my election, George H.W. Bush, the former head of the CIA, did a public tribute to me, which I said to your staff, you can play it on your show. In front of 2,000 people in Washington, George H.W. Bush, the former head of cia said congressman walden you're the kind of me in american needs a leader that leaves america stronger

he's saying this you have to take this is in two thousand and five knows in two thousand seven two thousand three months after they had to my election my career it after his son the son who had no clue Three months after they had to do my election, my career. After his son, the son who had no clue, the people around him were running the show, not George Bush. I'm convinced of that.

It was the people around Bush. So, okay, so indirectly from listening to you, I don't hear that you're saying George W. Bush was part of Deep State. I don't think he knew about it. I don't have the highest respect for him. He's not the brightest star in the sky,. I don't think he knew about it. I don't have the highest respect for him. He's not the brightest star in the sky, but I don't think he did it. I think it was a combination of Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Rove, that group of people, and the intelligence agency.

That group of people. What Cy Hirsch told me, he said they could never raid the vice chairman of both the Defense Committee and the Homeland Security Committee, which I was. Right. Three weeks prior to an election, unless the White House approved it. Three weeks prior to my election, the White House approved the Department of Justice raiding my daughter's house, and they never talked to her. And then three months later, George H.W. Bush does the tribute in front of 2,000 leaders in Washington. and I would just

start to encourage you Patrick to play that for your viewers to listen to what George HW Bush says about my career and the legacy that I left for the country. Rob, do we have that clip? I will grab it. So, so was that is that on YouTube? Is that something I can? Yeah, they try to take it down. Four years, five years ago they try to take it down I got active now it's all

over the place there are thousands of hits they can get it all over it's it's George HW Bush sitting in a chair he's never done this before for any other member that I know of giving a public tribute to me I have it I have it Ron I'll send it to you he's sitting in a chair it's not a it's in front of 10 2000 leaders in Washington including members of the House in the Senate Okay, go for it. Ron. Is this the one you're talking about? Good evening all of you this one 1989 I had the honor of addressing this audience at the first annual National Fire and Emergency Services dinner

at the first annual National Fire and Emergency Services dinner. I can recall looking out at the audience and seeing over 2,000 fire service leaders. It was an impressive sight, to say the least. And now as President of the United States, I naturally assumed that the audience was there to hear me speak. But the following year, you packed the ballroom again, as you've done year after year. Why? Not so much to hear from presidents or vice presidents, but to hear from your leader of the past 20 years, Kurt Weldon. You often heard Kurt speak of the fire service as the sleeping giant.

When I was president, if it appeared that I wasn't giving proper attention to your issues, I could always be assured of a phone call from Kurt. I'm sure the other presidents would all say the same. To his credit, the Fire Service was never a partisan issue. It was a personal issue based on his own experience as a volunteer firefighter. He's the reason why both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue have heard the Fire Service's voice and answered so many of your calls. He's the reason why you, the Fire and Emergency Services, was awakened 20 years ago and has become such a political force in our nation's capital. It's the goal of every political leader who is

blessed with the opportunity to serve the public to leave behind a legacy a legacy that in some way makes our nation stronger better and safer. Kurt you've done just that through your dedication and your commitment to our nation's one million first. This is this is some would say he was the deep state a lot of people would say he's deep state, director of CIA, former director of CIA, and becomes president, VP, a lot of things that he's done. So for him to say that, he's saying that in 2007.

Yes, three months after they ended my career. When did you blow the whistle? Oh, I blew the whistle all during my time in Congress, but especially on 9-11. June 19th, 2005? Is that pretty accurate? Oh, I published a book here in 2005 where I took on the CIA. But George Bush knew I supported a lot of the things he did, especially in, that's

why I so. No, but the reason why I'm asking this question is the timing, sequencing is what I'm trying to find out. So, 9-11, 01. you blow the whistle in 05 no I blew the whistle starting immediately not right I was when the report came out when did you get public about it oh right away like how right away I gave as soon as they took Tony Schaefer out I started harassing the DIA said this is a scandal bigger than Watergate. Yeah, DOD overall. The DOD overall.

It wasn't just DI, but we can cover that in a bit. So I took on the system saying this is wrong. So if the deep state, he is one of the pillars of the deep state. Oh yeah. You're saying oh yeah, so he is one of the pillars of the deep state. There is no way in the world if

The five of us that are running deep state deep state are talking to each other like you can endorse them like that No way in a million years should you do that? George think about it. Don't do it. Don't endorse him that I'm sure they told him that okay So then there's another clip from another president who wasn't a president at the time Biden Rob if you have that clip President Biden at the time also in this hearing that's taking place, he goes for a few minutes, but I'll just play for the clip for the first two minutes. Here's President Biden. He talks about how much of a staunch Republican you are. This is about 9-11. When is this taking place, by the way, with you being there? When is this, Rob?

2005, I believe. This is September 2005, the first testimony in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee. This is the first testimony in front of the judicial? Correct. The Senate. Okay. Let's hear this one here, Rob, if you don't mind. Go for it. For two reasons.

One, my high regard for the Congressman. He's, over the years, in the last nine months, shared information with me. Some of it seemed prescient and it turns out that a number of the things he said have been, I was unaware of, have turned out to be the case. And I thought this morning we were gonna get, be able to get to the bottom of some of this. I know, as you know better than I do,

I was not permitted to testify. This congressman is a, I was there. You were there. Did you testify? Yes. But they didn't. Let it keep going Rob because I want to see this. I want to go to Cameron Kirk because he still hasn't said the name. I just want to see the

face. It has no political agenda here other than trying to figure out what we knew and didn't know and why we didn't know it. And my staff indicates to me that representatives in the Department of Defense had confirmed that an internal investigation identified on five Able Danger team members who claimed they had either seen a picture of Otto or had seen his name in the chart prepared in 1999 by the Able Danger team. And the

defense investigation found these sources to be credible but didn't uncover the chart itself. Defense officials have said that the documents associated with the project have been destroyed in accordance with regulations regarding collection, dissemination and destruction procedures for intelligence gathering on people inside the in accordance with regulations regarding collection, dissemination and destruction procedures for intelligence gathering on people inside the United States.

And so I thought we were gonna get a chance to clear some of that up this morning. For the life of me, I don't understand why, as I understand it, I stand corrected if I'm wrong, but I understand the witnesses we assumed we were gonna get to hear from, from the Defense Department have been pulled They cannot testify

And to be fair you and him you can pause it right here you and him traveled together on Memorial Day to Iraq Joe has traveled with me. He went to Libya with me. I Took the first delegation to Libya in 25 years Joe went with me on my second trip when I spoke to Libyan people. Joe spoke after I did. Joe and I grew up one mile apart. My son graduated with Joe's daughter.

And when my son died, partly because of what they did to me, Joe drove three hours as vice president and stood in line at the funeral to console my family. And when I lost my election in November of 06, one of the first calls at my home that night was from Joe Biden. Unbelievable.

And he said, Kurt, I'm sorry what they did to you. The other person who called me was Steny Hoyer, top Democrat in the House. And he said, Kurt, I'm sorry what they did to you. Both of them called me because they were friends of mine, still are friends of mine, even though I'm sorry what they did to you. Both of them called me because they were friends of mine, still are friends of mine, even though I'm a Republican. Let me say one more thing. In 2000, people were pushing me to become chairman of the Armed Services Committee. Donald Rumsfeld was the top leader on defense issues. He writes a one-page letter endorsing

me for chairman. The top Democrat was the deputy secretary of defense John Hamry. He writes a one-page letter endorsing me. I have both letters I'll give you for your show. Endorsing me. But I would have had to jump over four other members, and we didn't do that back then. So I waited. I was next in line, but when not, and I would have become chairman had I been elected in 2006. That's what it was all about, stopping me from becoming chairman. But here's the thing you asked about, the hearing. I requested the hearings as the vice chairman of the Defense Committee and the Homeland Security Committee. And I went to Donald Rumsfeld, who would endorse me in 2000, and his assistant's name was Steve Cambone. And they said, no way, Congressman, we're not letting anyone from Able Danger testify.

I said, oh yes you are, the American people need to hear this. And they said, no we're not. I have a letter that I'll provide for you, for your show, that I produced signed by 250 members of Congress. There are only 435 members in the House. This is what you're it was it was immediately after nine eleven

it's a hearing you're talking about where i testified to fifty two hundred and fifty members i'd say this to you right now probably eight of those members assigned that letter in the senate right now people like roger wicker and lindsey graham and shelly more capital they were all house members two hundred. 250 members of the House signed the letter with me. People like Jack Murtha, people like Dick Army, senior leaders of both parties saying, we want this team to testify about what they knew. But the deep state didn't want them to testify. And Rumsfeld

wouldn't let them testify. They sat in the audience, I testified at a public hearing, and I showed the charts that you have now. That's the first time those charts were ever shown. The whole thing is a cover-up, and that's why I'm here. But, Kurt, so 250 at the time were on your side to want to find out what's going on with 9-11. Absolutely, I could have gotten more. I only had a couple of days. 250 members of the House, I have all their signatures. So now, gentlemen, I'm going to come to you as well. I'm just trying to get this part because I'm going to come back and find out what they

told you that you can't get in there. We still have to find that out. So let me ask this. Joe Biden at the time, would you consider that Joe Biden, the eloquent speaker, the way he was speaking right there, being able to break things down, would you say he at the time was part of Deep State? No, but he wasn't in a position of being the president where you have the ability to control the Deep State. The leadership in the White House controls what the Deep State does and who they are. And the only reason I talk-

Say that one more time, who controls what Deep State does? Well, the leadership in the White House so the president controls president deep state and the only reason I talked after 18 years and then that's George Bush don't what because Donald Trump took on the 51 people when he denied their security clearances they're the deep state all of those 51 were involved in creating a false scenario about Russia inclusion with Trump. Yeah.

And I figured I'm going to talk now that Trump's in. And look, my partners today are ex-federal judges, former heads of the FBI, and they all know my story. And a lot of military officers know my story. So they can't get away with knocking me off. And I know the game. You know, they have needles they insert in people that give them fast moving cancer. They have ways that they get you out through accidents.

You can do that to me. Come on. No, I'm not. Come on. I've had two staffers that both worked for the CIA. One was threatened by a former top CIA official worldwide. My staffer from Florida, John Quirk, who was in charge of anti-money laundering, got a call from the senior CIA retiree. from Florida, John Quirk, who was in charge of anti-monetary laundry, got a call from

the senior CIA retiree. And he said to him, why are you helping Kurt Weldon? And John Quirk said, because Kurt Weldon's a patriot. A year later, John Quirk died of a fast-moving stomach cancer. Now, I can't prove that they did it, but that's not right in America. Yeah, you know, it's interesting you say that because we had one guy only one guy I've had on the podcast that I had a month 30 days later and it was Peter Prye Peter Prye was my staffer. Yeah Peter Prye worked for me. Yeah, Peter Prye wrote this book with me

Peter Prye was my person. I brought Peter from the CIA after 10 years of analysis to work for me He was my person everything I did I did with Peter Pry. He was the leading guy for EMPs If I wrote the EMP legislation, I credit the EMP Commission to Peter headed up Peter Pry was my person. I was working with him when he died We had Peter Pry on the first time he looked perfectly healthy. He was healthy I had such a good conversation with him. I said do you mind coming back a month later? We had a second conversation with him months later Rob tells me he passed away to him died. They both ex-CIA now look I'm not accusing anybody all I'm telling you is

Stop this bullshit This is America. Let the people know the truth. There are good people in intelligence Patrick I have to say that I have good friends that do great work for our country and I respect them But there are scumbags that are sitting on big bank accounts that are making big money, and they're making it off the backs of dead soldiers and dead firefighters. I wear this jacket because Ray Downey, the chief of the fire department in New York who got vaporized at 9-11, gave it to me in 93. I will not stop until those 343 firefighters that were vaporized are vindicated along with

the 2,977 other victims and the thousands more that died from our sending troops over to Afghanistan when Bin Laden wasn't in Afghanistan. This madness has got to stop in this country. It's out of control. And I want to get to that on where Ben Laden was when we're going back and there's a whole story with that as well. But if you don't mind, you know, Tony, for you, you're a lieutenant colonel. Okay.

One of my biggest heroes when I was in the military was a man named Lieutenant Colonel Peacock. He ended up being a general later on, but he was one of my favorite guys I ever worked under when I was at the 101st Airborne. Lieutenant Colonel's a very high ranking place to be, and you've seen a lot, you've talked a lot, you have a lot of things that happen.

That day, then Senator Biden, today, ex-president Joe Biden, says five of them were not allowed to come on today. You were one of the five. What were you told that first you were invited, who invited you, and then what did they say that you can't come on? Well, let me give a little bit of background five. I was. What were you told that first you were invited, who invited you, and then what did they say that you can't come on? Well, let me give a little bit of background

for context. Please. So, being a Lieutenant Colonel is a bit of a misnomer. That was a part of my cover that happened during a time I was outed by DIA. I'm in something called the Military Intelligence Accepted Career Program, MICEP. We go back and forth between being civilians. I'm also a retired GS-14.

You can look it up. This is unclassified, but I'm just saying. So what happened was, Pat, is that when I came back from Afghanistan after I disclosed my role in the Able Danger operation, I was immediately suspended by Defense Intelligence over nonsense, over- Who suspended you? The Defense Intelligence Agency.

This was in the beginning of 2004. Who was the shot caller that did that? Who called the shot? Yeah, it was Major General, I'll think of his name in a second, and he was a Marine Corps General. I'll think of it in a second. Two-star general.

Two-star general. He was the DO, the Director of Operations, and at the time, the director was Admiral Jacoby. And when I got suspended, I had some time on my hands because nobody knew what was going on. There was three nonsensical allegations which, by the way, the Army resolved in my favor and I got promoted to Lieutenant Colonel. You don't get promoted if you have standing at potential adverse actions over you.

So the Army saw them, it's like, congratulations, you are being promoted. Defense intelligence used the three same allegations to suspend my clearance and get me fired, just saying how wacky that is. And think about that from a business perspective. You're looking at facts and Army says, yeah, this is nonsense. Defense intelligence, who I have the issue with, suspend me and fire me over the same allegations.

Think about that. We can go through them in greater detail at some point. But Tony, you have to tell the story as to what you had done in Afghanistan when Mueller came through. Well, I'm saying so, so, so, um, Zelikow had met with me in Afghanistan. Philip Zelikow? Philip Zelikow. And who is he?

He is the staff director of the 9-11 Commission. Kurt mentioned him earlier. So when I was undercover, again this is a bit complicated, when I was undercover in alias, in Afghanistan, being the director of operations for the clandestine operations in Afghanistan in 2003, is when Zelikow came through, Bagram, and he was part of the 9-11 Commission. He and several staffers came through. And their task, this is the 9-11 Commission task,

was to do research on events before, the day of, and after the 9-11 attacks. They basically wanted to talk to people with firsthand anecdotal information. So I raised my hand. It's like, hey, they've probably already heard of this, but I want to talk about Able Danger. And this was October of 2003. And so what I'm going to tell you now is what I told them. Able Danger was an entrepreneurial concept that was created for the purposes of targeting a non-geographic target, Al Qaeda.

You had Eric Prince on a year ago. Eric's concepts, and I love Eric, I consider us friends, I hope so. He believes in entrepreneurial concepts. We did that internally We were trying to figure out the best and brightest way to go after Al Qaeda in 1999 this is a PMC model. It's it actually is a PMC model. It is a yeah I've talked to him about it. Yeah, so what we did is that as a reservist I know you're gonna laugh at this, as a major, I was down in Tampa and the DIA rep, Al Downs, said go talk, this

is a major reservist going to brief the commanding general, Pete Schoomaker, on my civilian mission. Pete Schoomaker. Pete Schoomaker, General Pete Scho Schoemaker, was commander of Special Operations Command in 1999 to 2000. There he is. So imagine if you will, when people have a hard time wrapping their mind around this, a little old reservist major goes in to brief the commanding general of SOCOM

on what I do in my civilian DIA job. Out of that meeting, Pat, General Schoomaker says, I get him right into able danger. And I had no idea what that was. So the next day, I think this was August of 1999, I'm brought down into a secure, yeah, you guys have your thing in a bank vault. Well, skiffs are like bank vaults.

They're secure facilities with insecure facilities. I go down and I'm introduced to Captain Scott Philpott, who's in a Lieutenant Commander, or Commander, and I'm given this big old binder. The binder's about five inches thick. He says, there you go. And I start reading it, Scott, Scott Philpott. And I start reading it, and it is like the e-ticket

to Disneyland. We're going downtown to go after Al Qaeda. This is a sweet, this is a concept to go and conduct offensive, offensive operations against the growing threat. Remember you talked about the value judgment of what you invest in? We had already been hit twice in Africa from Al Qaeda and there was a recognition that that was a growing threat. So secretly, General Hugh Shelton,

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, you can bring him up, Hugh Shelton was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs in 99, had tasked Pete Schoomemaker with Able Danger. Able Danger was a campaign plan. You're a business guy, so you guys do campaigns, right? Figure out resources, you figure out objectives, you sign them, you sign resources to tasks to potential outcomes. That's what Able Danger was. It was all an entrepreneurial concept that the yes so that so Pete when did Able Danger start? 99? So it has nothing to do with 9-11? No well it gets there let me get you there. So Able Danger was the offensive concept off the books. Remember you see in the movies all the time the euphemism of off the books We were off the books operation, but if I'm not mistaken was under it was under Eric Klein Smith's no no no I'll get

Eric I'll get to Eric Eric had no idea as a matter of fact. He's never been in ready than everything we did So my so I'm right into the project and my job is to develop access For purposes of weaponized technology This again think offensively. This is before 9-11, and we're tasked to go kill Al-Qaeda before 9-11. Think about the... Now, this is the problem with the whole thing. This is prevent, preventative measures. Bingo! Yes! This is why they want to distract with the chart constantly, Pat.

We... This is why they were upset with me testifying. You remember the Israeli op, the pager op, Pat. We, this is why they were upset with me testifying. You remember the Israeli op, the pager op, Pat? Of course. They weren't the first ones to think about that, just saying. I have to be careful about where I'm going because we have to, I'm still trying to get permission from the Pentagon to talk about my role. My role in Able Danger to this day has never been disclosed. I've been said to be the coordinator. I've been a reservist. My role was so highly classified,

he probably remembers this, I was waived, in closed hearings with Kurt, I was waived off by the staff director of the House Armed Service Committee because I couldn't talk about my role. He was literally in the back of the room saying, don't say that, you can't say that. So to this day, we have never talked about,

and I'm still trying to get permission to talk about it. Anyway, suffice it to say that what I was doing in my civilian job was what we wanted to introduce to the Able Danger Operation as one of the offensive options. And this is the key. This wasn't about waiting till something happened. This was about us, Pete Schoomeaker, putting together a team, the best and the brightest, to put together

options for the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Hugh Shelton, to go do something before 9-11. And that was the whole project. That was the concept. The idea was, Pat, we knew they were coming. We put together a team that would be invested in doing things that have never been done before. And oh, by the way, how do you target something that's never been targeted? How do you do something relating to a non-geographic target, a transnational target? Data mining, at the time nobody knew about it.

Remember, this is 99, this is before anybody understood the power of the internet. So, when I'm tasked to help them figure out how do we go about targeting all of the ranch, Pete Scumaker called it the ranch, the Special Operations Command Ranch. That includes the Secret Army of Northern Virginia, Delta, you know, Rangers.

It's the options that were available for us to do something. And oh, by the way, the other thing, key about this, this was, Able Danger was the first time Special Operations Command was ever at the supported SYNC. This is important because that means they were the lead, they were the ones asking the other regional SYNCs to help them. It was huge, this was groundbreaking.

I just pulled up and I asked, what was the original purpose of ABLE Danger? Mission objective number one, map Al-Qaeda's global network. The team used open source intelligence Public records website news and advanced data analysis to tools to construct link charts of suspected terrorists and their connections number two identify terrorist cells in the u.s. Able danger reportedly flagged individuals later tied to 9-eleven including mohammad al-ta based on behavior patterns travel records and communication metadata number three provide operational intelligence to military planners 11, including Mohammed Alta, based on behavior patterns, travel records, and communication metadata. Number three, provide operational intelligence to military planners.

The goal was to preemptively disrupt terror plots through actionable intelligence passed to agencies like the FBI and the CIA. That's it. So, I got this task and it's like, what do I do? I knew LWWA was experimenting with data mining and I'll let Eric Tak take over here because we had no way to map Al Qaeda. So this is a long way to answer your question I know Pat but you need to understand the picture of what got us into the room. I guess what I want to know

who told you you can't be in the hearing? Who called and said you're out? The Senate. So the DOD leadership, army leadership said you can't go in. I was the Senate's the one that. How far before, how far before the hearing did they say that? An hour before, a day before? That morning. That morning. I was in, you can pull up pictures of the hearing. I'm in uniform standing right next to the chart, right next to the charts. Right? If you bring up, if you google Able Danger Senate hearing 2005, it should come up with a number of time life pictures that show all of us together. Where I'm in the back row next to J.D. Smith, who's going to become.

Yeah, here we go. Right there. See, I'm right there. You know, there's Russ Case. So there's Kurt. There's J.D. Smith. And I think you're there somewhere, right? I'm heading behind one of the maps. So so so we were going to lay out? I'm heading behind one of the maps. So we were going to lay out everything I'm laying out to you right now. We were going to lay out in great detail. And so this is where to answer your question.

What I was going to do is build the case of why and by the way, Pat, one key thing to remember, we weren't supposed to find what we found. We were off the books. We were looking at Al Qaeda from a fresh perspective. None of us were experts on on this issue I would argue that we became a dangling participle an Inconvenient organization that saw what the deep state was doing and that's why they came after us Did any one of you at the time have a relationship with the president president Trump currently president? No

Before you show anything the owners and I'm sharing this is Rob, do you have a clip of President Trump on Morning Joe Scarborough? I don't know if you guys have seen this or not. Morning Joe is doing a show and they're talking about a book that he wrote that came 19 months before 9-11 and just listen to Morning Joe's reaction to this. Go for it. BuzzFeed dug up an old quote from Donald Trump talking about a large scale terror attack 19 months before 9-11.

In his 2000 book, The America We Deserve, Trump wrote, I really am convinced we're in danger of the sort of terrorist attacks that will make the bombing of the 1993 trade center look like little kids playing with firecrackers. Trump also mentioned the mastermind of the attack writing quote, one day we're told that a shadowy figure with no fixed address named Osama bin Laden is public enemy number one and US jet fighters lay waste to his camp in Afghanistan. He escapes back under some rock and a few news cycles later it's on to a new enemy and a new crisis. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Okay, hold on a second. Is this really

Trump before 9-11? Have you read this? 2000 and his party. Are we making this? Somebody did you make this up, Mika? Nick, Nick. I did. Did you make this up? Nick, tell us it's over, right? Because you're wrong about everything. Mika, stop. I don't think it's over right because we use stop everything me because stop guys. I think it's over. What's that? What's the rage? This is real right now. It's cute. I think it's We can possibly what do you think about the fact that the president said this 19 months before 9-eleven I think wise people understood what was forming because we were told by the chairman of the Joint Chiefs to go look at this And one of the notable things about this now now full disclosure, I know President Trump, I was the national security advisor

with the Trump 2020 campaign. So I do have, you know, and I did meet him way later in 2015, but I think he had a sense, like many of us, that something was brewing. And to continue your point, to answer your question, when I was the coordinator of trying to pull the team together behind the scenes, I took the coordinator of trying to pull the team together behind the scenes, I took the ABLE Danger Team to land information warfare activity at Fort Belvoir, Virginia.

And that's where Eric comes into it. They were doing an extraordinary job of, again, look at the timeframe, 98, 99, 2000. Pat, nobody knew the power of big data. And so we were the first operational unit to actually use a combination of open source, closed source. Part of my job was to actually combine the top secret piece. One of my deputies, Theresa McSwain, Lieutenant Colonel McSwain, brought the NSA database down to Garland, Texas to combine them together to do this overall targeting, to basically combine things.

This was a major effort. And again, before I let Eric, one second, well, before I turn it over to Eric, remember we're talking about a massive investment of resources as you as a businessman would recognize as a priority, yet somehow they reduced it down to a map of a chart they couldn't find to dismiss everything we did Because they were so desperate to focus on one thing and push us away

Okay So now Eric were you coming here as an army major intelligence officer? You're the one that was at you testified before Congress and were ordered to destroy two and a half terabytes of data, right? So, you know exactly what's in that data. It was well yes and no because before the destruction we were giving a cease and desist order down through DoD to stop what you're doing because you're violating intelligence oversight rules and how you collected that information. Which is not true. Well there was no violation. Right, right. One of the problems that... Yeah, that was me. A much younger me.

Nice tie. But what we've learned, again, we were running several different operations. This was a very young organization. It was only, I think, two years old by the time this started up. I was the first military chief of the intelligence branch. So it was an operational unit designed to help the Army or support the Army in fighting information warfare, information operations, psychological deception, operational security, that kind of thing. So we had operational teams, but I had a 24-person intel branch within that group. And we were getting, because of the power

that we were given with these new data mining tools, and I'm telling you, they were bleeding edge. We were doing a lot of things that we were making mistakes along the way. I got called in one morning because apparently I had conducted a denial of service attack against DIA, and then now NGA, their proxy servers shut the whole thing down. Only because we were training a harvesting tool to pick up different information and

it hit DIA on a classified network and started harvesting the entire agency. And so denial service, they shut the whole thing down. So I got blamed, I got called on the carpet for that one morning. That's what I mean, that like the types of technology we were trying to wrestle with and figure out. Once we had gotten those down, and it was a great combination of the data that we were bringing in, the tools that we're using, but also more importantly, the people and the processes that we had put in place and the folks that I assigned a different task. We had first done an operation using data mining to show Department of Defense how our

technology was being stolen, specifically by China and some other countries. And we were able to map it out by using a single technology as a sample. That became a firestorm because it had gotten leaked that we were doing this work We received a subpoena from Congress and Dan Burton said he wanted all that information So we spent a weekend making thirty thousand copies to deliver it by you know a data set on paper To do that, but that got us on the map and that's where why Tony came is this anywhere Is this two and a half terabytes anywhere right now? Does anybody have access to this right now and and here's a hundred percent no one has it no I think it may I think it may exist

Here's here's the rub because I it was myself and one of my own officers Warren officer analyst who was on the team We had to have a deep discussion because we were told you know if you're collecting information at his that has information about US persons From an intelligence standpoint, I mean they beat this regulation into your head every every year as a requirement So we were warned. Oh, by the way all this stuff that you had collected and it wasn't just one chart It was dozens of charts. We had dozens of connections. We had cells in Northern northern Africa. We had cells in northern Africa, we had cells in the Middle East, we had cells in the Far East, and then we started seeing cells pop up within the US. My hometown of Plymouth, Michigan popped up as a

potential operation, a front organization that was using my little hometown outside of Detroit to funnel money into the organization. So it was more than just operatives. Al Qaeda. So it wasn't just operatives. It was an entire support and sympathetic footprint. But is there enough information here where you know who was behind 9-11? Can I add something real quick?

We had a person that was actually monitoring global movement of individuals of interest via mosques, all the mosques. Elie Andra Mogeliner. She did a three-hour interview for my oral history, which has never been released. I'm the only one that has the interview. And the DOD interviewed her and then basically proceeded to not ask her a single question about what we're about to talk about. Eric was provided via Orion Scientific as the source detailed data about individuals moving between mosques. So it wasn't simply big data, it was the fact that we were targeting down to the mosque

level which makes it hugely controversial. You and I can agree that the whole issue. The bigger story in the Congress is that I was funding their program as the chairman of the R&D subcommittee. I would go down to Fort Belvoir because all the services were standing up information dominant centers. The Air Force, the Navy, and the Army. The Army is at Fort Belvoir.

I was impressed with what they were doing. They were using software like Starlight and Spires and others that no one else was using. John Hamry was the Deputy Secretary of Defense. They were using software like Starlight and Spires and others that no one else was using. John Hamry was the Deputy Secretary of Defense. I suggested, John, you go down and see what your people are doing. He went down. They'll tell you he went down because of me. He looked at it and he called me and said, Mr. Chairman, you're absolutely right.

We need this capability. Far beyond what the Army is using it for, we need this capability. I proposed establishing a data fusion center that would not just be for the Army or DOD, would be for the entire government. So John Hamry suggested to me, Congressman, I will support and manage it either at the White House or at the Pentagon. But you've got to convince the FBI and the CIA to allow us to use their raw data because of the big behemoths. There are 33 classified systems. So on November the 4th of 1999, a date I'll never forget, I had John Hammery in my

office, I had the Deputy Director of the FBI, the Deputy Director of the CIA, and I handed them a proposal to create the NOAA National Operations and Analysis Hub, policymaker and warfighters told to deal with emerging transnational terrorist threats. I didn't write that. Friends in Intel wrote it for me. John Hamre said, it's a great idea. We need it. I'll manage it.

I said, I'll get it funded. The FBI said, it's great. We'll support it. And the CIA said, we don't want it. We're doing something called CI-21. The big question for 9-11 is, why did the CIA not want to be a part of a fusion center that the defense Deputy Secretary of Defense wanted? I was going to fund FBI was supporting two years before 9-11. The biggest criticism after 9-11 was the lack of

fusion of intelligence data. That's what they were doing and that recommendation was two years prior and that recommendation was based on what these folks were doing. Eric, Tony, Eileen Pricer, Scott Philpott, and all the others, JD Smith, that were a part of the AbleDanger team. That's the big story. And he didn't know about us. I didn't know the details until 9-11.

They brought the charts in, and I took them right to the White House. You don't know about AbleDanger until 9-11. I didn't know that. I didn't get ready for the program. I didn't need to. I knew they were using software. We to do you know. So you got, when's the first time you guys met? When I, oh so I was. I knew they were. I was down there several times. Yeah well you didn't. Well let me explain. So we were

under SOCOM. We were using the Army and Eric can explain. The Army wanted to pull out by the way. Army did not like the fact we were using their technology for our operations. So why wouldn't they? Because, well, you want to explain that? Part of it is when you're doing data mining, you're harvesting everything. For intelligence collectors are very restricted on what we can collect when the US persons comes up. But when a tool does it, it gets everything. And so you have to be able to go through that and excise all the information about US persons. This is a throwback from Vietnam Days and Pike and Church Committee 75, that kind of stuff. So they wrote these regulations for Intel collection, but they never updated them well again

because we were the first data mining operation we weren't intelligence I know this is gonna sound weird we were doing our effort under title 10 title 10 is known as traditional military activity it's that's why I went to Kurt as harm services not intelligence to ask for money for the Navy well you didn't come to me yes Yes I did. I was funding it through the R&D budget. Later. Later.

I mean so. And I plused up their funding, whatever they wanted. So. But I didn't need to get right in. It wasn't until 9-11 I get these phranic phone calls on my cell phone from him, from Eileen Pricer, from Scott Philpott, we have to meet you right away. But. I meet with them on 9- eleven and they roll out the charts that's the first time i knew

but they had identified all the al qaeda cells in advance of my right that's when i found out to get right down to the white house the steve hadley i called races deputy i said i've got to see you right away i said he said we're under attack i said i have to see you i thought the important with me in burden was chairman of the oversight committee and I took Chris Shays. I rolled out the charts and Steve Hadley, deputy national security advisor said to me, where did you get these from? I said, Steve, I've been telling you

since you came into office in January that this team was the cutting edge. The Clinton administration ignored it. You didn't take any action on it. And this is what developed by them. And he said to me, I've got to show this to the man. I said the man at the time, the president, George Bush. He said, I've got to show it to them. They took the charts. And when in subsequent questions of Steve Hadley, he's acknowledged that I gave him charts. But he says, I can't remember what those charts were. When I met with Seymour Hersh, Seymour Hersh told me those charts are still on the hard drive at the NSA. That was five years ago. Hi, I'm Kurt Weldon, a teacher, firefighter, father of five, family man,

who spent 20 years in the Congress after serving as mayor and county chairman of my county in suburban Philadelphia. My intent is to give experiences and information and knowledge about the 104 countries that I led delegations to during my 20 years in the Congress, and all of the work that I did on behalf of America's firefighters and first responders traveling around the country.

If you'd like to connect with me, connect on Manect, and I will get back to you. So my point, I'm trying to make, to underscore what Kurt is saying, we were an operational unit that was designed to go do something. We weren't an intelligence unit. Although we were intelligence officers,

we were doing operations. It's called J3 versus J2. And that was one of the controversial points because we didn't recognize the limits on US citizens because we didn't have to. Traditional military activities, Title X, is what George Washington did during the Continental Army, what they did. And so that was one of the controversial points. But the bottom line is, Kurt funded the advanced technology that we, SOCOM, figured out how to get and use.

That technology then, used by Eric, put together the series of charts which then became the basis for the plans we were using. Are those the charts? Those are some of the charts, yes. Those are the two primary charts. They're the charts that I was given by them. The original charts went to Bush in the White House. So what conclusion did you guys come up with? Because we still haven't talked about it, right? What conclusion did you come up

with? Here's the best example. Read this book. This is not them. Forget them. This is the book about one of our top military generals who was on horseback. He had like 9,000 soldiers under his command. And this book, Keith Labor, I never met General Lambert. I don't know, but I may be a member. This book was a New York Times bestseller and a a movie on page twenty seven he's asked what were your thoughts when nine eleven happened and general amber says his own words you can read it within seconds i knew who had done the attack

and one of our mohammad aata because i've been briefed on a top secret army intelligence program that's able danger none of that's in the nine 911 commission report and that proves that what they were doing identified Muhammad Ata it basically calls everyone else a liar and it was general Lambert says it in his book that he knew within seconds Muhammad Ata was involved in 9-11 by the way free said afterwards that if he'd had the information we could have prevented 9-11 from And by the way, he freesaid afterwards, then if he'd had the information we could have prevented 9-11 from happening. By the way, he was one of the individuals that the I.G., the D.O.D.I.G. refused to interview. Why? You're a guy that has to make investments. If you have someone who's a principal actor in a company who has a major role, wouldn't

you go and interview them before anything else to figure out what's going on? He was, Lambert was the chief of operations and they refused, they D-O-D-I-G during the time that he asked them to investigate our claims, they refused to talk to Lambert. To this day. So on the evening of 9-11 we were all on the phone with each other because we knew it was coming. We had deep conversations the entire time we were running this operation that we knew something was coming. So 9-11 happens, we're all talking to each other and the watch phrase was, so it begins. We knew this was coming out and that was, you know, you knew this was coming. We knew it was coming.

We were trying to, you knew 9-11 was going to happen. We knew something, we knew it was coming. We were trying to you knew 9-eleven was gonna. We knew something we knew something was coming They were coming offensively and they had already established a deep footprint What were some of the things that you guys were speculating that could take place? Well, was it 9-eleven you weren't you you wouldn't sit there and say guys someone's about to attack World Trade Center Was that it was it? No, someone's gonna attack White House Pentagon Did you guys have the 510 targets that you thought they're going to attack? We knew where the cells were at. We knew where they physically were hanging out.

And where were those cells? And we had linked them. They had different clusters. One was New York, one was Maryland, and the other one was Florida, as I recall. And they were all clustered. We had individuals linked to the Al Qaeda leadership. Those are the top three? New Jersey.

New Jersey. New York, New Jersey, D.C. Florida. Florida. Let me add one more thing, Pat. One of the top FBI international leaders confirmed to me in writing that two of the terrorists in the 9-11 attack were on the payroll of the CIA at the time. I'll repeat that again.

Two of the terrorists on 9-11 were on the CIA payroll at the time. And after 9-11, there were between 40 and 50 employees that were reprimanded. Why has none of that been told to the American people? Why was none of that investigated by the 9-11 Commission? Why is this cover-up occurring when all of these, the biggest loss of life in American history on our soil? And it's like we're a bunch of fifth graders.

It's outrageous. Has it been documented that they were on payroll? Because I know the internet is gonna say no. There is no evidence that the claim that the terrorists were on CIA payroll. While it's true that CIA had information on two of the hijackers, Nafal Al-Hazimi and Khalid Al-Midhar before the attacks, and there have been criticism

of how the CIA handled information, but there's no indication that they were implausible paid by CIA. Would you think the CIA's gonna come out and just tell that on the record without some congressional investigation? I mean, cut me a break. Well, let me add something to the picture that I can't talk about in detail yet.

There's three things I'm trying to get declassified by the Pentagon right now. My specific role in ABLE danger relating to what we're talking about. I still can't talk about it believe it or not The other thing is there's an investigative organization that's run by DoD that has found The link you're talking about here to the CIA guys and there I'll let them speak for themselves But they're they're they're working right now to get approval to come public on what they have and I've talked to their senior investigator

and he has said they have. And I've talked to their senior investigator and he has said they have confirmed the link between, Almodar has whatever his name, I'm terrible with names, to the CIA. The only solution is a new, not a new, a presidential commission to investigate everything about 9-11 and on that commission, no politicians, no members of Congress. It's got to be people with integrity who are willing to take it to wherever it goes, because we're only scratching the surface. So let me tell you what I did, because again, I want to know,

when you think about stories like this, you go in the stuff that we know. What do we know? We hear the story about Larry Silverstein, right? We've all heard the story about the fact that he buys a massive insurance policy that in case two planes are, you know, attack the plane, he gets two times the amount of whatever it is and then he gets three and a half billion dollars and the day that he always has breakfast on the World Trade Center, he doesn't end up having breakfast that day. And how much money paid out to him when you pull up the number? It's public info.

You can pull up. It's five billion, I think. Wow. I sawf and the World Trade Center just six weeks before 9-11 received a $4.55 billion insurance payout following the destruction of the World Trade Center. Larry Cerf and the World Trade Center and added a clause for terrorism in the insurance policy. Yeah, Insurance Dispute 9-11 argued that the two planes impact constituted two separatist attacks, thus seeking doubling the policy limits. Court ruled the battle, the legal battle over whether the tax counted on one or two occurrences

lasted years. In 2004, a jury ruled that some insurers had to pay double, while others just paid one final payout, $4.55 billion. That we know. Huge money. That's strange. That doesn't include building seven either. That doesn't include building seven either. That doesn't include building seven.

The other thing that's strange is you talk about George Bush. You know Epstein, when they go to his house, there's two paintings that they see there, right? The painting is the one with Bill Clinton in that blue dress, which is Monica Lewinsky's dress saying I got you or something like that. Then the other painting they see is, Rob if you can go to the other one, which is kind of weird, is this one with President Bush right there.

He's playing Jenga and they're down and he's holding one plane and the other one is already down. That's a weird painting. Who would have a painting like that in their house? That's a very strange painting, right? I think it's a clue. I think it's a clue. These people don't do this stuff without a reason.

Think about that. Is it the clue or is it to say that I own the two of you? Is it Epstein's way of saying I own two of you or is it just a clue? Both. It could be both. If I'm not a friend of Epstein, I'm like, what are you doing putting a painting like that on the wall when people are coming to your house and they're seeing a painting like that?

It's not mutually exclusive. It could be both. It could be true, a clue. I don't think we should speculate about painting. I think we should focus on fact so to get us a new commission But all I'm saying that's why people will say But the part but the to the average person This is either a very dark painting which it is This is either you have two presidents who had the two biggest controversies during that time

You have two presidents who had the two biggest controversies during that time, Monica Lewinsky in 9-11, and you have a painting on the wall, and you're Epstein, and the claims about bribery and how much stuff you had on people. It's kind of weird. Let me continue a couple of them. So I went on chat with GBT and I asked the question, I said, tell me the strange facts in the 9-11 commission that we all know about. Strange facts that they had in this big-ass 9-11 commission that they had. I give you the 15 million versus 30 million. 15 million they spent on 9-11, even though 2,977 people died and ended up costing us 8 trillion dollars.

Monica Lewinsky, 30 million dollars. Well, they don't mention the Gilmore Commission at all. Do you know what the Gilmore Commission is? Tell me about it. After the 93 attack, and I was up at the Trade Center and I got a call from Mario Cuomo thanking me for my work, I wrote the legislation creating the Gilmore Commission. Virginia Governor Jim Gilmore chaired the Gilmore Commission.

Jim's a man of integrity. Ray Downey was on the commission. The Gilmore Commission wrote five reports, five reports before 9-11. Those reports were the bulk of the recommendations made by the 9-11 Commission after the fact. The Gilmore, the 9-11 Commission doesn't even talk about the Gilmore Commission. That was before 9-11.

This is the one that was presented to Clinton, Bush, and Bolton. Rob, can you pull up that one story from ABC News? I wrote the legislation. I wrote it. Do you know the article from ABC News that we have? Yes. Have you guys seen this one here, which is kind of a, like if you wanted to create an instance to go to war, they wrote the playbook of what to do to go to war because the other argument is what?

$8 trillion, 2.3 at Afghanistan, 2.3 in Iraq, and don't forget when, who was it that told us they're missing $2.3 trillion in Pentagon's money? Don Rumsfeld said that. So it's so funny that 2.3 is Iraq, 2.3 is Afghanistan, and he says 2.3 trillion is missing. Those, you know, those three numbers shouldn't be matching that correctly. This is it, Rob? This is Donald Rumsfeld talking about the missing 2.3 trillion the day before 9-11, September 10th. ...fail to adapt.

go ahead and the fact that they can fail and die is what provides the incentive to survive but governments can't die so we need to find other incentives for bureaucracy to adapt and improve the technology revolution is transformed organizations across the private sector.

But not ours, not fully, not yet. Rob, can you go straight to the 2.3? We are, as they say, in this building from floor to floor, because it's stored on dozens of $3 trillion. You're a little bit back. Estimates, we cannot track $23 trillion dollars in transactions. Kind of weird to say that, right? Well going back to the Gilmore, the Gilmore Commission Rob, that ABC story, do you have

that? Yes. So this is, this is a, were 1998 memos a blueprint for war. This is ABC News. I don't know if you've seen this or not. This is an article written in 03. And March 10, years before George W. Bush entered the White House and years before September 11 attacks set the direction of its presidency, a group of influential neoconservatives hatched

a plan to get Saddam Hussein out of power. The group's project of the New American Century, or PNAC, was founded in 97. Among its supporters were three Republican officials who were sitting out with President Bill Clinton, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfitt in an open letter to Clinton, the GOP congressional letter, the next year the group called for the removal of Saddam Hussein regime from power and a shift towards a more assertive U.S. policy in the Middle East, including the use of force if necessary to unseat Saddam and end rapport just before the 2000 election that would bring Bush to power.

The group predicted that the shift would come about slowly unless there were some catastrophic and catalyzing events like Pearl Harbor, like a new Pearl Harbor. This is ABC News. Go a little bit lower, Rob. That event on 9-11, by that time Cheney was vice president, Rumsfeld was secretary of defense and Wolffitz was the deputy of the Pentagon. The next morning before it was clear who was behind the attacks, Rumsfeld was secretary of defense, and Wolffitz was the deputy of the Pentagon. The next morning before it was clear who was behind the attacks, Rumsfeld insisted that a cabinet meeting with Saddam Iraq should be a principal target of the first round of

terrorism according to Bob Woodward's book, and you know the rest. So let me add something to that comment. But that wasn't a Gilmore commission. Those are two separate things. Totally, totally. There's nothing to do with each other. January of 2001, the options for us to go after Al-Qaeda's brief to the chairman of totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally Right as Bush, the Bush team comes in, when Bush comes in, the Able Danger Project is stood down. Right when Bush comes in,

the Able Danger Project is put down. That's right. I have to say- So now you're saying something that he's gonna dispute. No, I'm gonna say there's data, and Eric, I think, will confirm this. The data removal in Garland that you talked about earlier was, I think, partly caused by the fact that when John Hamory went down at my request to get a view of what they

were doing, John Hamory tasked them to run a special profile of Chinese acquisition of our technology. Am I right or wrong, Eric? Yes, that was before the before Able Danger. So they did a run for the deputy director of defense and that information, now listen carefully, came up with the names of Condoleezza Rice and several other prominent American leaders. Am I right or wrong? Yes. When that came up, Washington's beltway shook because here was the Able Danger team coming up with data

in their data mining system regarding China that American officials had helped steer the Chinese to acquire our technology. Dan Burton, chairman of the Oversight Committee, issued subpoenas. That's when they told Eric to destroy all the data. Am I right, Eric? No, that was a different effort. That was, we had, he had subpoenaed it, so we had to make copies of it and send it to Capitol Hill. But the rest of it you destroyed, I guess. But yeah, then in November is when the able danger started it was in March

Spring the next year that we were given the cease and desist and while that was going on When you collect information about US persons, even if it's incidental, which is the tools, you know You don't you know, you can't read two and a half terabytes first with data with the human eye in that time So 90 days hits were required to delete all that and since we were given a Cease and desist order the clock still ticking the 90 days hit I required to delete all that. And since we were given a cease and desist order, the clock's still ticking, the 90 days hit. I had a lawyer come down from my command, says, here's your day, delete the day there, go to jail. And I had to sit with one of my warrant officers.

We had a deep moral discussion on, should we hide some of it? Should we just put some on a removable hard drive and hide it in a file cabinet? And we ended up deleting all of it. And that's about the worst day you could ever spend a removable hard drive and hide it in a file cabinet. We ended up deleting all of it. That's about the worst day you could ever spend in the military knowing now in hindsight that you're now the guy that could have prevented 9-11. But there was also some sensitive data and names that

came up in the work that you've done for John Henry. So here's the issue, and this is, I'll give you an example for what we did when the FBI came down, we're talking to them about the Abel Danger. We gave them a car dealership in Morocco that was used as a front organization. As we gave them, here's a car dealership was. Who was them?

The FBI, we had some FBI agents that showed up. They said we want to. A car dealership in Morocco. Right, so it was just, the front was the business, but in the back We were we knew the people that were associated with were funneling information and the first question the bureau asked us Are the agents there is like well, where'd you find this and what we showed them was well Here's the hit that we got on unclassified information and it was this really wild Michigan militia

conspiracy theorist website that said really wild Michigan militia conspiracy theorist website that said, you know, the FBI is trying to arm the KGB in northern Michigan and take over Upper Peninsula, Chelsea Clinton's real father is Webster Hubble, and then there's this car dealership used as a front organization. And so, you know, this is what I mean by raw. That's in it. It was all on the same page. Seriously, like who Chelsea Clinton's real father comes out? Yes.

The story we've all read about. The web page that the tool hit had this on the page. And so we're showing this to the Bureau. And this is what I mean, the difference between raw intelligence versus what comes out of an agency, which has to be peer reviewed and edited and screened and then produced into a very slick product. We were feeding raw information out to you know the Congress and Weldon

out to Paycom. Who filters it out to get credibility? What's that? Who filters out the raw open source to get credibility? I had my own I mean I had a small shop of 24 analysts so we were doing it it went on a very small level but it wasn't the you know the size of you know we're not the 40,000 people that work at NSA or whatever. So we got 24 people working in the second floor basement of this organization. So the Bureau looks at this and says, you guys are a bunch of cracks.

Even though we were able to show additional information that corroborated it and show them right there, it didn't matter. It was the fact that you just squandered your credibility because what you saw as the tip-off came out. So did you end up finding out if Hubbell is the real father? You know what? Yeah, I don't even, we don't touch,

we didn't even touch that stuff. And again, that's the problem, is when you go after stuff with US persons. After the Patriot Act, everything's on the table. Yeah, so, but going back to it again, so here's what I just did. I went online and I said, what was Dick Cheney's net worth before 9-11?

Okay, $19 million. What was Rumsfeld net worth before 9-11? $50 million. I don't know what it is today, but when you think about the financial motivation, Dick Cheney, Halliburton Ties, he was the CEO of it from 1995 to 2000. Owned a ton of shares, had a lot of shares

in a blind trust that he couldn't sell while he was serving, but he did sell it afterwards. How much money was made? I'm sure a lot. Yeah, millions, right? And then when you go look at Donald Rumsfeld ties, you see the ties that he has served on boards of major companies, ABB, a defense contractor, Gill Scientist, a pharmaceutical company with government ties, and a Rand Corporation, which is a defense think tank, right?

And you see how that money is made. Do you want to Cheney story? Go for it. I took the first delegation, bipartisan, to Libya in 25 years to support George Bush when he said that Gaddafi wanted to give up his weapons. I took three Democrats and two other Republicans. And the state, the White House tried to stop me. I was going to visit the troops in Iraq, but we got a plane and we went to Tripoli for two days.

Our meeting with Gaddafi was always at the end, and I met with him three times. But on that first trip, they took us out to this man-made reservoir where Qaddafi had built this water system of pure water for the people in the desert. That's me. I was printing an American flag on him after I gave the speech to the entire country. Joe Biden came with me on that trip. He was with me, with me. Wasn't his trip, was my trip. So, he showed us this manmade water system, and I said, the pipe was like 14 feet high. I said, how did you build that pipe? You've been under sanctions for 25 years.

Oh, Congressman, we didn't build that pipe. Well, who did you buy it from? You've been under sanctions by the US and Europe for at least the last two decades. Did you buy it from Russia? No. Did you buy it from China? No. Well, who did you buy it from?

We bought it from a company called Halliburton. You understand what I'm saying? They bought it from Halliburton while they were under sanctions by the US and while Dick Cheney was a leader of Halliburton I served with dick Cheney in the house What was he like well all I'm telling you is I'm disgusted with what I found out about dick Cheney by now and for him To come out and say anything about Donald Trump is an absolute disgusting joke Look at all the money. He has and his daughter ought to go out and talk about that

Just like he canceled the V-22 for the Marine Corps, I led the fight to save that platform, which is why I was so close, because Al Gray came to me, the commandant of the Marine Corps. And General Jim Jones had me flying the first V-22 with him when we delivered to the Pentagon, because I was the leader to save it, along with Carl Levin from Illinois, a Democrat. These people that make money behind the scenes off of decisions that kill U.S. troops and kill U.S. firefighters are disgusting. And somebody's got to stand up and say, enough's enough. Let's take back control of our country. And again, I'm not saying a blanket thing about all intel. I'm saying it about the people

who are out for themselves. Well, what do you think happened on 9-11? What I know happened on 9-11 was we could have prevented it. And number two, what happened, I worked very closely with the architects and engineers. You've had them all. Yes. I worked closely with the families of 9-11.

I worked closely with the firefighters. The most poignant story, you ought to show it on a tape, is when Deputy Chief Oriel Palmer, one of the most decorated firefighters in the city, takes his unit to the first building. He climbs, he gets in an elevator. He's got all his equipment on, 40 pounds of gear with his team. They go up 40 floors in an elevator while the planes have already hit. He gets off the elevator and you hear him say in the microphone, we're on the 40th floor, everything's okay. We're going to walk up. He's on the

50th floor, it's okay. We're going up higher. He gets on the 60th floor, it's okay. We're going up. The Oreo Palmer, battalion chief reaches the 78th floor. The floor of impact comes out of the stairwell And you hear him say as clear as day We're here the floor of impact. We've got two fires and we can handle them and The building collapses in within one minute get out of here. No, that's true Every American needs to listen to Oreo Palmer. Is that the video? The video is on Bravo 7. Can you play that rap?

Yep. Listen to his voice. We're about to stay going up to 79. OK. All right, I'm on my way up. Where are you? 150V to 15. 150V to 107, operation tower 1. Stop in the elevator. In the elevator shaft, you're going to have to get a different elevator.

We stop in through the wall and get out. Radio lobby, come in with that. Tower 1. 107, ladder 1-5. get out. The The firefighters in New York deserve better than this Patrick. Yeah, I mean there's no question about that. So you were saying that, but again question, why did 9-11 happen? I don't want to speculate. I think it will become, it already is the biggest nightmare in the history of the country Can you can you at least do the following?

Can we at least for the viewer Tony whichever one of you guys is comfortable doing this? I'd want to look at it like this when a crisis happens We sit there and we say it's either this it's either this it's either this it's either that or it's either this and we tie Percentages to it. I think there's a 40% chance it was this. I think there's a 3% chance it was this. I think there's a 13% chance it was this. What are five things, Tony, you think it could've been? The reason for 9-11.

Let me ask you a question before I give you the five things. Why would you stand down a cutting-edge black special operations unit in January of 2001, right before you know there are threats from that very target located within the United States. Why would you do that? Who is you? The inbound Bush administration, Bush 43.

Why would the Bush administration in January of 2001 as they're coming into office stop because there's evidence because of the basically what I'll answer your question but I want to make sure you get we get this into the conversation when what's his name went to the National Archives and took stuff out in his socks Sandy Berger's when Sandy Berger when Sandy Berger went into the National Archives he stole a bunch of things put it in his underwear in his socks that he stole five documents stole five documents one of those documents was regarding the

existence of able danger. I can't prove that. I think we have a source. Senator Gurbue was President Clinton's top security officer. Please guilty Friday to taking classified documents from the National Archives and cutting them up with scissors. He stuffed them in his underwear and socks. He stole five documents.

He got outside. The Inspector General for the Archives called him and he lied. That's a felony. He committed 11 felonies. One of Clinton's lawyers cut a deal. The deal was he pled guilty to 11 felonies. I'm the only person that got in the Archives after that, in August of 2006, before they took me out.

I said, I want to see what we think Berger stole. Part of it was the Millennium After Action Report by John Ashcroft, which you can get. We don't know exactly what Berger stole, but he didn't want the 9-11 Commission to be able to include what he had. It may have been able danger, we don't know, but the fact is, and I said this on the House floor, Sandy Berger was a traitor. If you stole one archive, you'd be in jail. His sentence was 11 felonies and he gets one misdemeanor, no jail time, one misdemeanor no jail time one misdemeanor and it was pre-9-11 intelligence that's what Tony's referring to. So as I write

here the five documents one of them the Millennium After Action Review the second one is analyze how the US handled the foil terrorist plots around the 2000 including threats linked to al-Qaeda then review contained assessment of the US vulnerabilities intelligence coordination failures and recommendations for preventing terrorist attacks. Berger took five copies of the same document, not five documents, reportedly destroying three of them. He claimed he removed them to prepare testimony before 9-11 Commission not to conceal wrongdoing. The original of the documents remain in the archives, only annotated or draft copies were

taken. I don't believe that. That's not true. I was there. I went in the archives only annotated or draft copies were taken. I don't believe that. That's not true. I was there. I went to the archives. And the CIA told my staff, tell your boss not to be very careful what he's looking at. And I told him the CIA doesn't control what I look at.

I'm a member of Congress. Again, why would you not want to have a full investigation of this? Just saying. I would want to, but when you said in in January if you knew the special ops Why would you put a stop to it right so Bush gets elected January 20th? 2001 so the way I would process that if you're saying in January that means it's in the last 11 days of January Is that fair because he's not president yet, right? Then he's not making a decision somebody else is making a decision for him because what he's doing is he it's his first term

He's probably asking what do you guys think? What do you think? What do you think? I think he we should do this your rookie that just got in I'm not saying it's not now made a decision I'm saying though that when you're briefed on a capability that clearly condoleezza rice another said oh we we knew something was coming A little bit, you know, they were they were all these memos and that's the mystery We've asked to be told too, because we were stood down. We were trying to say, as Kurt indicated, something's happening. We need to be on top of this.

Captain Scott Philpott was calling me constantly to go around his chain so we could reactivate this. I had a clandestine location in old town Alexandria. He actually called me one time and says, "'Can we use your clandestine location "'to springboard and get this going again?' this going against like yeah if you if you can do it so why did the we don't know i would give you a lot of work on what that would go for this team i still don't have any other way i want to know what i was

thinking about and they're eric eric will uh... and tony will both verify this is got phil pock came to my office in nine eleven got very emotional this is an Academy graduate, in Naval Academy, and he said, Congressman, this is not the F in America I swore to uphold and defend. He was very emotional. He said, we also could have prevented the attack on the USS Cole. You want to talk about that, Eric? The second time I had to, we went up to testify, was in February 2006, and we had, you know, after everything's done, you got reporters floating around the room and everything.

And I had one guy come up to me and he was asking me some very personal questions. What are you doing now? What are you doing for work? That kind of thing. Followed me out into the hallway and I said, you know what, I'm sorry. I'm not gonna answer anymore of your questions.

I don't know who you are. And he goes, oh, I'm sorry, I'm Kirk Lippold. I'm the commander of the USS Cole. And I mean, Kirk and I are friends now, but that's the moment that- He's a friend of mine. Do you pull that up, Rob? Kirk Lipp now but that's the moment that Kirkland pulled that's the moment that again it hits you that again I feel responsible for the loss of your sailors I feel you know 18 sailors I have the response I get to carry the responsibilities for the loss of 3,000

people on 9-11 the 20th and I really wish you hadn't played that video just a few minutes ago because on the 20th anniversary my wife found me totally broken down in our kitchen and it's, it's I get to, I get to carry that PTSD the rest of my life and I didn't think I had it and it got worse and worse and it gets worse and worse every year. And I feel the same way about the Downey family. These things have got to stop. This is no longer America when this happens. And Donald Trump can do it by putting in place a commission of independent people to do what he says he's going to do and I support that and I support him. Name an independent commission. Put you on the commission.

You have integrity. I've got the five things for you. I think there's five likely events we'll go through them one by one. First is government incompetence. They were completely just, nobody knew what the hell they were doing. Keystone cops all the way. And the 9-11 report is correct.

That's one presumption. It's like, yeah, it's exactly like they said it. John Layman wrote the narrative, everything is accurate. I would say no matter what, one is right. I said no matter what, one is right. Well, competence is, I think, a factor, no doubt. My opinion, you're not saying this, I'm saying this. What I'm saying is no matter whatever the five you propose, my opinion, number one, is absolutely right. What's two?

Okay, controlled operation that went wrong. There is allegations, we've talked about in the day, that at least two of the individuals were under control of CIA, that the FBI was also involved in some level because a guy named Anwar Al-Alaqi, my friend Catherine Harridge, did reporting on him, Anwar Al-Alaqi was a controlled asset of the FBI was also involved in some level because a guy named Anwar al-Alaqi, my friend Catherine Harridge, did reporting on him. Anwar al-Alaqi was a controlled asset of the FBI who actually moved two of the 9-11 hijackers around, who later was assassinated as U.S. citizen by Barack Obama in Yemen. He and his son. Anwar al-Alaqi, there he is. He was, I would argue,

I don't want to get off track here, but Anwar Al-Awlaki actually lectured at the Pentagon in 2004 because he was brought in for, but he was actually handling two of the 9-11 individuals. He actually gave him a tour. He was out of there. So based on that, there could have been an aspect of the US government controlling individuals and them getting out of control.

There's a movie called The Siege which kind of covers this. If you remember that with Bruce Willis and Denzel Washington. I was once told by a Pentagon official, by the way, in a random moment that, oh, that would never happen, which was a strange moment to look back on at this point. Okay, so one, government incompetency. Two, is controlled operation that went wrong.

Three is, basically that's omission. By omission, they didn't control it. Comission, I think more severe would be then, the government kind of knew this was going to happen. They allowed these people to go into place. They didn't adequately provide full-time surveillance. And they basically allowed the 9-11 attack to happen with the theory that they were going to try to stop it

to the last second. And they were in a... Why would they allow it to happen? I'll be blunt. I think we've talked about the profit motives of a number of individuals. I don't believe for a minute the deep state is a single entity. I think it's a, I think George Carlin once said you don't have to be organized if you all have people to feel the same way about things. And if you had a sufficient critical mass of individuals, neocons, I am not a neocon for the record. I'm a Reagan guy, and I fought most of my life against neocons.

I think the neocons, both parties, by the way, this would explain the Clinton-Bush connection, would allow essentially some level of event to happen per, you mentioned it earlier, Pat, about the roadmap. You brought up the article about the roadmap. That would be the roadmap, that they kind of let this happen. And then the last option, the fifth option, is full-blown, the government was behind it and planned it.

Those are the five options as I see them. Or another government cooperated with our government. Well, I think another government cooperated in most of these. What other government would benefit from it? Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia. Yeah, I saw the one thing with Saudi Arabia. I don't think we should limit it to any one country.

Who else would you add to the list that's impossible? I wouldn't add any other country because I don't have the facts, but I mean, any person with a brain could figure out there'd be other countries that would have a motive to want to see this occur possibly China I Don't want to speculate on I don't think they were developed sufficiently as to see us as the adversary In a focused way in the late 90s when I when I when you say Saudi Arabia report included references to individuals with connections to Saudi government who allegedly had contact with the hijackers. However, deeper investigation to Saudi involvement was left out, later addressed in the 28 pages declassified in 2016, which raised further questions about possible support networks.

Two things on that. My dear friend, late congressman Walter Jones got that declassified. Walter passed a wall back. There was a finding that we haven't talked about. In parallel to what we're doing talking about here, Pat, was a finding, Alex Station, CIA had a finding to assassinate Ben Laden. We weren't part of that, by the way. We were completely independent. As a matter of fact, when I was first

read into the Special Operations Command concept, I was asked to go brief. The CIA represented in the Special Operations Command a, I was asked to go brief the CIA representative of the Special Operations Command, a guy named Dave Rolfe. Dave Rolfe, I read him into the project, and he confirmed the existence of Alex Station and the finding, and the reason I briefed him into it, CIA, is because we didn't want to have them think

that we were trying to go after Ben Laden. So what was going on at the same time we were doing Able Danger was the CIA finding, Alex Station, that's out there. There's a couple of books on it. What I'm saying is that they actually were targeting bin Laden directly, CIA was, outside of what we were doing.

And within the context of what you just said, the Saudi Arabians were helping support bin Laden. As a matter of fact, one of the assassination attempts was stopped because one of the Saudi royal family was falcon hunting with Bin Laden, apparently in Afghanistan. And at the time that they were getting ready to use an armed predator to take him out, they recognized at the very last minute that one of the Saudi royal family members, the chief of the Saudi intelligence, was with bin Laden. I think this was in 99. So I just looked this up to see, to ask a question. Who else was other countries possibly?

And this is not you saying it, Kurt. This is Chad G.B.T. saying it. So this is, we're not putting it on you. 15 out of the 19 hijackers were Saudi nationals, it's one thing that we know. Two, Pakistan, Inter-Services Intelligence was long suspected of having murky ties to Islamist groups, including those in Afghanistan. Osama bin Laden was found in Abbottabad, Pakistan in 2011, just a mile from a major military academy, okay. UAE, two of the hijackers were from UAE, and the other country was used as financial hub for some of the funding and planning. Iran, no evidence of Iran involved in 9-11 but the 9-11 Commission acknowledged that some hijackers transitioned through Iran, which I know you want to say something about

that, without having their passports stamped. This is where Ghassam Soleimani was involved. Five Iraq, six Israel, and seven China. Those are the countries that came up of possibilities of being here. Your facial reaction is very... I'll talk to you off camera. Okay. That sounds good to me.

But tell me this. With stories linked to Osama bin Laden, when the events take place, I'm very skeptical about Osama Bin Laden, okay? When the events takes place, I'm very skeptical about Osama Bin Laden, period. I'm skeptical about that we really dropped a guy in the middle of the ocean. I'm like, I'm there on what happened. I don't even believe, why would you drop? We've never dropped an asset in the middle of the ocean.

Well, because it's a martyr, you don't want people to go to a celebration at his funeral plot and all this other stuff. I don't know. I mean, the difference is Transformers drops Megatron in the middle of the ocean, then a couple years later, they drop Osama Bin Laden in the middle of the ocean. I don't know if it was inspired by the movie or not.

I don't wanna speculate. Let my creativity go there. You guys don't have to go there. But Bin Laden, stories about where he goes, where he was at, who he met with, what things do we know about Bin Laden? Well, I was a very big supporter of, when George Bush went up to the Trade Center,

I was there at 9-11 and he put his hand up in the air. I was there with him, with the firefighters. And he said, we're gonna get you, we're gonna come find you. I figured that it must have been Bin Laden in Afghanistan. So I got all fired up and said, I'm with you, Mr. President, all the way. I was concerned about our troops being harassed in Afghanistan

the way the Russian troops were. I took two other members of Congress and went with Al Santoli, a decorated Vietnam veteran, New York Times bestseller, with intelligence ties. We went to Rome, and we met with King Zahir Shah in exile, without the US government approval. We went to his and we met with King Zahir Shah in exile without the U.S. government approval. We went to his family's home. And we convinced, I have the photos,

King Zahir Shah to go back to Afghanistan and convene a Loya Jorga of all the tribes to accept the American troops when they came in so our troops would be protected. I took every step I could to protect the American troops. Then I, doing my job in the Congress because I couldn't trust the intel being provided by the CIA as the vice chairman of the defense committee

and Homeland Security. They would spin the data. I would get better information from defense reporters like Bill Gertz than I would from the agency. So I had my own intel team. These are people that work for the agencies. They were about 15 of them that worked for the CIA, DIA, NSA, FBI, and I would meet with them for breakfast in the Capitol. They would feed me raw

data. And they fed me raw data after 9-11. The Nassan bin Laden was seen in a town called Lydies. I had no idea where Lydies was, so I went up the street and bought a map at the bookstore. You have that map right here that I bought 25 years ago. And I looked on the map and I found Ladeez, 10 kilometers inside the border of Pakistan and Iran, in an area called Balochistan. I then went to a classified briefing for the full committee, closed briefing. Now I'm the vice chairman of the committee. At the time I was the acting chairman, the chairman wasn't there. And in front of 60 members, I said to the CIA, I have information that Bin Laden's been slated in Ladeez.

What can you tell me? Mr. Chairman, we've heard similar reports. We can either confirm or deny them. I was outraged. We're sending kids to Afghanistan to look for Bin Laden, and they can't deny that he's in a town called Ladeez three months later. My role intelligence people tell me that he's being treated at a military hospital in Tehran. I go back to the classified briefing in front of the whole committee, and I ask the question.

I get the same response. Mr. Chairman, we've heard similar reports. We can either confirm or deny them. And I said, what the hell is going on here? We're now months into this whole operation. We're sending kids over to Afghanistan and you're telling me you've been live maybe in Balochistan. Then I get the most respected Democrat in the House, Jack Murtha, chairman of the Senate of the House Appropriations Defense Committee, former Marine, very well

respected member and a friend of mine. Murtha sends over Ron Klink. Now Murtha's dead, but Ron Klink's alive. And he says, it says to me, to Ron, Ron has information from Anak. He used to work for the agency about Iran. And Jack says, go see Kurt. He investigates these things. Ron Klink came to my office. And Ron Klink will verify this. He's a man of honor. He's alive. I said, Ron, how can I help you? He said, Congressman, I have an acquaintance here. I need you to talk to him. Jack said, come, Neil. I said, okay. He brings this knock in. He said, Congress, well, I want you to help me go to Iran. I said, why do you want to go to Iran? He said, well, that's where I used to work for the agency. And he said, that's where Bin Laden is. And there's a $25

million reward. You help me get to Tehran. I'll leave my credentials there in the hotel, and I'll go down and bring you back dead or alive, because there's $25 million reward. I said, I'm sorry, I'm in the middle of a battle with the agency right now. I can't do that. Now that's the third incident. Then I get a request from the Department of Interior. They want to bring in the head of the International Falconry Association. Now that's not unusual because I'm the Republican on the Migratory Bird Commission. The Migratory

Bird Commission oversees all the wildlife refuges in North America. John Dingell was a Democrat. There were two senators and three cabinet members. So I figured he wants to talk about birds. Okay, I'll talk about birds. This fellow from Maine, Alan Perot, brings in two falcons, million dollar birds on his shoulders. He's a Sikh, very wealthy family. He said, Mr. Chairman, thank you for greeting with me. I said, OK. I said, I've devoted my life to falcons.

I worked with the UN on the International Falcon Treaties. And he said, I was in the base camps that trained the children of the royal families on the sport of falconry. I said, well, that's very interesting. I said, how can I help you with these birds? They're beautiful. He said, I want you to help me go to Iran.

Now, he knows nothing about what I've been given. I said, why do you want to go to Iran? He said, my falconers are seeing Bin Laden's birds flying in Iran. They'll accept me there. You get me into Iran, I'll tag his birds and take you to exactly where he is. That's the fourth. They take me out of office. I get a call from Michael Schorier.

Michael Schorier said, Congress is at my home. Do you remember me? I said, yeah, Michael. He said, I worked for the CIA my whole career. I said, I remember. He said, my job was the director of the Bin Laden Task Force. Alex Station. I said, well, he said, Bin Laden Task Force.

I said, what can I help you with? He said, I'm seeing information from the Birdman that I was never shown when I was in charge of the Bin Laden Task Force. I think he's right. We want to do a film. We want you to be a part of it. I said, not after what they did to my family. I'm not getting involved.

Thank you, but no. I hang up the phone. Three months later, I get a call from General McInerney, a decorated American hero. And he calls me at my home and said, "'Congressman Weldon, I'm working with Michael Shoyer and the Bird Man, and we want you involved.'" I said, "'General, I'm not gonna do it.'"

In the end, I end up with 10 silver bullets, including two royal family members from two separate royal families. The bin Laden was placed in Iran after 9-11. The U.S. has plausible deniability because they arranged it through other countries. The Olimit was a person who's worked for our government for 50 years. He's a knock. He's not from the U.S. I'll

reveal his information privately but not publicly and I'll take a polygraph. I met with him and he said, through one of the people he handled when he was active, he said, you're right about many things, Mr. Chairman. I respect you. I said, well, thank you. He said, you're right about Bin Laden. He was in Iran. And he was placed there with US knowledge and information without the knowledge of the US, of the Iranian government. A few years ago, I think it was five years ago, we killed Soleimani. I don't even think Trump knows this.

He took credit for killing Soleimani. And he deserves credit, because Soleimani was a criminal. I text my friend, was that the man? He texts back within one minute, yes. The deal to place Bin Laden in Iran was not cut with Ahmadinejad. It was not cut with the head of the Iranian government. It was cut with the head of the IRG. And if you think back to when the Shah was in power, the Iranian intelligence was largely trained by U.S. intelligence.

Those friendships never left. When the radical regimes took over in Iran, they didn't change their intelligence. And those friendships and relationships continued. The real investigation needs to be, what involvement did our intelligence have with Iranian intelligence, and was that involved in placing bin Laden in Iran while we sent thousands of American kids to Afghanistan and 2500 came back in body bags? I mean when you hear that story about Iran, we all heard what? We heard Pakistan, you know, we heard, you know That he escaped and you know, poor coordination among US and Afghan troops and you know all this other stuff We hear that but mainly we hear about the city. What is that city called? Abu Tabaad, right?

Abu Tabaad, yeah Pakistan. Yeah, so no one talks about Iran. However, the part about Iran here that's kind of a stranger So Osama bin Laden himself never confirmed to have been in Iran However, some of his family members and senior al-Qaeda figures did reportedly seek shelter in Iran after the US invasion of Afghanistan. That includes Bin Laden's son, Saeed Bin Laden, and others who were later detained by Iranian authorities. But you're convinced he was there? One thousand percent! I'll take a polygraph. I told you I'll take a polygraph of what I know. I'll take a polygraph.

I have 10 silver bullet sources that bin Laden was placed. And when the bird man was questioning the Iranian consulate office at the UN, because there is no Iranian embassy here, they were saying, why do you keep coming to us saying that bin Laden's in our country? You would never harbor bin Laden. But they would go back and ask the questions in Tehran. Why does he keep coming to us saying that bin Laden's in our country? You would never harbor bin Laden, but they would go back and you know, ask the questions in Tehran Why is he saying this finally? I'm a dinner job came over to the UN to give a speech and The Falcon the Birdman from America got George Stephanopoulos to ask the question and I know George Stephanopoulos from he worked on the house floor for

Dick Ephart, just wonder what when I first went to Congress the George Stephanopoulos. So Stephanopoulos asked Ahmadinejad the question kind of smirkingly. Some of the wackos in this country are saying that you're harboring Bin Laden. And obviously Ahmadinejad said, no way will we ever harbor Bin Laden. He went back to Tehran. That's when they kicked him out of Iran over to Pakistan. Now, Ahmadinejad I still have contacts to. Now, if necessary, I can bring Ahmadinejad on the show. He's afraid he'll be killed, but he'll verify what I just told you. That's what's wrong with our country.

The Iranian people have never been our enemy. That's what my book was about. When I wrote the book in 2005, I said Iran is not the enemy. You see the title of my book? I said the CIA is the problem. They're playing games. This book was endorsed by Jim Wolsey. Three-page letter. The former director of the CIA. I had him on the podcast. He's a great guy.

And the book was endorsed by Jack Caravelli, Al Gore'si, a advisor, one page letter. They endorsed the book. The Iranians published my book in Farsi on their own. It became a best seller because it says the people of Iran and the US are not enemies. The people in these countries are never our enemies. It's the games we play, not the games, the games we allow people to play. They're out for power and money. We've got to stop that. Rob, can you play that clip with Ahmadinej? So here's the clip that you're talking about go forward There's a new documentary

Out that says that Osama bin Laden is living in Tehran is Osama bin Laden in Tehran Your question is laughable. Why? The U.S. government has invaded Afghanistan in order to arrest Bin Laden. They probably know where Bin Laden is. If they don't know where Bin Laden is, why did they invade? First they invaded, then they tried to find out where he is. Is that logical?

Do you think this is logical? What I think is that you didn't answer my question. Is he in Tehran or not? Our position is quite clear. Some journalists have said Bin Laden is in Iran. These words don't have legal value. Our position towards Afghanistan and against terrorism is quite clear. Is it true or not? Maybe you know, but I don't know.

I'm asking you, you're the president of Iran. I don't know such a thing.'t know. I'm asking you, you're the president of Iran. I don't know such a thing. You are giving news which is very strange. So let me ask it a different way. If you did know that Osama bin Laden was in Tehran, would you show him hospitality? Would you expel him? Would you arrest him? I heard that Osama bin Laden is in Washington, D.C.?

No, you didn't. Yes, I did. He's there because he was a previous partner of Mr. Bush. They were colleagues, in fact, in the old days. You know that. They worked together. Mr. Bin Laden never cooperated with Iran. But he cooperated with Mr. Bush. I'll ask one more time and then I'll let you go. If you knew that Osama Bin Laden was in Tehran, would you say you don't?

If you knew, would you expel him? Would you arrest him? Would you show him hospitality? Our borders are closed to the illegal entry of anyone. Anyone, whoever that may be. Whether it's the three American mountaineers, Mr. Bin Laden, or anyone else, the borders are closed. Our position is clear. But you deny categorically that he's in Tehran today.

Osama Bin Laden is not in Tehran today? You're saying he was. Rest assured that he's in Tehran. I thought it's the first time anyone's, I've never talked to you about this in advance. And you pulled that up right away. It's exactly what I said. And I know the people that got Stephanopoulos to ask that question. I would ask you one more thing to look at.

Remember that airplane that somebody captured on the tarmac in Tehran that was unidentified unloading pallets and pallets of American cash? Do you remember that story? And no one ever explained it? I wonder why that occurred. Remember the pallets of cash and the estimates? We've got to stop allowing these games to be played. The people of Iran are not our enemy. How are you tying this plane to that plane? I can't tie that. All I can tell you is I'm aware of that. That's something I...

But they're 15 years apart of the event. You're talking about the 400 million dollar cash. There was more than one flight of planes into Tehran. Obama administration secretly arranged a plane delivery of 400 million dollars in cash on the same day Iran released four American prisoners and formally implemented the nuclear deal U.S. officials confirmed. Barack Obama approved the 400 million dollar transfer which he announced in January as part of the Iranian nuclear deal.

The money was flown to Iran in wooden pallets, stacked with Swiss francs, euros and other currencies as the first installment of the 1.7 billion dollar settlement resolving claims at the International Tribunal At the Hague over a filed failed arms deal under the time of the Shah a fifth American was also released by Iran separately What is your correlation between the two the correlation that I can tell you is that the u.s. between the two? The correlation that I can tell you is that the US was aware of and helped facilitate the placement of bin Laden in Iran. They retain plausible deniability, that's the fancy word they use. They maintain plausible deniability by using other countries. And I'll give you one more

story about Iran. I did most of the work for the Congress for the Russia. Steny Hoyer was my co-chair. And as you know, the big deal right now is the Iran nuclear program. Well, let me tell you what happened in the 90s that I will verify and give you again a polygraph on. I was very upset when we had evidence that the Russian Ministry of Atomic Energy

was helping Iran with a Boucher reactor. And I went to the Ministry of Atomic Energy and I took two members of the House who are today senators. And I'll give you the photograph, and you can get it off my website, of me with Roger Wicker, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, and Lindsey Graham, meeting with the Minister of Atomic Energy in Moscow, Mikhailov. They call him the hawk. And I said to him, we want you to stop helping Iran with a nuclear program at Bashir because this is going to come back to hurt both of our countries. This is in the 1990s. Mikhailov said, Congressman, we can't do anything about these deals that we're doing. I was very outraged, and I let the Russians know that.

One of the most pro-American leaders in Russia who did the Nunn-Lugar program was the head of the nuclear institute in Russia called Korchatov Institute in Moscow. His name was Dr. Yevgeny Velikov. He died in December. He was a very good partner of Sam Nunn and Dick Lugar. That's how I met him. Velikov became a good friend of mine. When Bush reached out and made that famous speech in 2001, they looked in Putin's eyes and saw his inner soul and realized it's a man he could trust. You can pull that speech up. That was Bush saying this. I took that seriously and I pressed Velikov to do something about the Iran program. Velikov came to my office and I have a three-hour interview

with Velikov in my oral history. It's never been released in Moscow. And Velikov came to my office and I have a three-hour interview with Velikov in my oral history. It's never been released. In Moscow. And Velikov said, quote, Putin wants to offer to the US a bilateral 50-50, overseeing any Fasal material going into Iran. We turned them down. We turned them down. Under George Bush in the early 2000s. I'll take a polygraph.

By the way, on a different note, the Federal Reserve is often, I used to consult with the Federal Reserve's intelligence folks, and yes, they have an intelligence program, and moving whole plane loads of cash is not an uncommon thing for the Federal Reserve, just saying, it's a common occurrence. I can see that. I can see that. And by the way, I've had multiple conversations with Ahmadinejad.

We've done multiple Zooms with him. He reached out. I was supposed to fly to a country in Europe to interview with him. And that was a day after the assassination attempt they had on him. I don't know if you remember that one, that story came out publicly. He said something, he made a couple other claims. Rob, if you want to play a couple of claims and what he said, and you remember this one here. This is him. What's the date on this, Rob, when this speech was given?

I'm not sure the date. I believe this is at the United Nations because the delegates from the United States… You're familiar with the speech? Go ahead and play this clip, Rob. …identifying those responsible behind the September 11 attack. There were three viewpoints. First, that a very powerful and complex terrorist group able to successfully cross all layers of the American intelligence and security carried out the attack.

This is the prevalent viewpoint which has been supported mainly and advocated by American statesmen. Second, that some segments within the U.S. government orchestrated the attack to reverse the declining American economy and its grips on the Middle East in order to save the Zionist regime. The majority of the American people as well as most nations and politicians around the world agree with this view.

Third, it was carried out by a terrorist group but that the American government supported and took advantage of the situation. Apparently, this viewpoint has fewer proponents. The main evidence for this viewpoint links the incident with a few passports found in the huge volume of rubble and a video of an individual whose place of domicile was unknown, but it was announced that he had been involved in oil deals with some American officials. It was also covered up and said that due to the explosion and fire, no trace of suicide

attackers was found. Kim Paz, thoughts on that? Tony? Well I see I didn't never seen this before but it seems like I came up with a couple of the options. You've never seen this before? I've never seen this before no and it seems like some of the things I mentioned to you track with what he's saying. I've never seen this I have no I didn't I had no idea this existed. Kurt had you seen that before? No. What do you think about what he's saying?

I'd have to analyze it some more. I have some thoughts. But again, I try to be very careful, because what they'll do is they'll pick apart what I say and what I try to do either I have backed up with my files. I have the largest archives in house history or my oral history, which is 100 hours of videos done by the past president of the National Association of Oral Historians, or by firsthand evidence. And I don't know, my contention is just that

Iran should not be an enemy right now. The people of Iran have never been, they were good friends of ours under the Shah, and they're good people, and we should not allow ourselves to be sucked into another war. It's a very different country though, Kurt. I know that but but it's been very different country before Iran there's only two countries in a history of mankind that have said death upon America. Yeah, I understand. It's North Korea and Iran after 1979. Pre-79 Iran had great

relationship with us, great relationship with Israel, great relationship with the world. The Shah didn't trust Israel because the word they are politically, but he was still able to do business with them He was able to do business with France. He was able to do business with Europe But the moment the IRGC the founder IRGC had on the podcast here four months ago He was right here. We had a two and a half hour conversation together Him and Khomeini started IRGC and we talked about what happened with all the lies and Sinema Rexfire. This is not the same Iran we're talking about.

It's a very different Iran. But you're not calling for a war with Iran. I don't want no war. I don't want people dying. I lived there when war happened. I saw people dying. I lived in Iran for almost 11 years. From 19, I'm born October 18th, we left July 15, 89. So

think what era I lived in Iran. In Tehran by the way, capital. You mentioned North Korea. Right. I took all three delegations in North Korea. The three US delegation I took, all bipartisan. And I went in there again to support the president. I never went on a foreign delegation because that's not the role of the Congress to do foreign policy, only to support the president. I led delegations to 104 countries. I went to North Korea and I went there in support of George Bush in the early 2000s. And with Colin Powell's support, Colin Powell was the Secretary of State, a good man.

I wanted him to run for president and he didn't want to do it. He was screwed by Bush because Condi Rice wanted to kick him out so she could take his job in the second four years, and she did. I'm aware of that. That's why Colin Powell didn't support George Bush for re-election. I know that for a fact. But anyway, I went to North Korea and I said, what do you people want? They said, Congress, we really don't trust the Chinese.

We don't fully trust the Russians. The person I met with was Kim Ga-gwan. He was our lead negotiator. How many times did you go to North Korea? I went there three times. Three times. And to Pyongyang. I went there once to Pyongyang to bring back the remains and I went to Pyongyang.

And I said, well, what do you want? They said, we want the respect of the US. We don't know how to get the respect of the US. I said, well, the one of the things you've got to do is you've got to stop terrorism and you've got to stop your nuclear program. And they said, well, we're not really interested in pursuing a nuclear program. This is back in 2003 and 2004. So I said, well, what if we came up with a plan that maybe would allow you to have an

alternative source of energy? And they said, we'd be interested in that. So with my delegation, again, three Democrats, I can name them, and they'll come on your show, and two other Republicans. On the back of an envelope, on my first or second trip there, I wrote down six or seven items. It became a two-part plan to create what I call the peace pipeline. This is it?

The peace pipeline? Yeah, that's it. That's it. That's the meeting. That's the meeting. So I said, and I met separately with Kim Ga-gwan privately with the members. They were off. I said, I want to meet with you privately.

Let me run something by you because I have to get this approved by Secretary Powell and by the White House. I said, the six parties nations, China, Russia, South Korea, North Korea, the U.S., what if they all came together and offered you some other way for energy? Let's say the Russian has energy up in the Far East, up around Kamchatka, oil and gas. What if we built pipelines from the Russian Far East that came down from Kamchatka through China down the rail corridor of North Korea to South Korea? And what if Kogas in South Korea offered to buy that product and sell it to China, to

Japan and the other countries. And China built the pipeline. Would you then be willing to give up your nuclear program? And the North Koreans said, yes. So I wrote up a two-part, 10-point peace plan. Colin Powell had me speak at the monthly Secretary of State forum that he sponsored as a secretary in front of 200 State Department employees. And he put it on his website. The peace plan was approved by all other four nations, five nations. I went to Wuhan, China. Wuhan, China, besides being the health problem, the largest manufacturer of pipe is in Wuhan. They had 500,000 employees there. I went to Wuhan and spent a week. I met with the leadership of the pipe company and the party in Wuhan. I said, can you get the party leadership to approve you building pipe for a pipeline system

from the Russian Far East down through China and North Korea to South Korea? They said, we'd love it. And yes, our country will support that. I went to Kogas. I'm very tight with the South Koreans. The former defense minister is a good friend of mine and I traveled in the Kazakhstan He knows me very well and the president was also a good friend. They held a dinner for me when I left Congress I said well co-guess by the press will buy it for ourselves and we'll sell we don't need to China to Japan. Yes, congressman It's a great idea the Russians. I said you want to sell the product up there. Absolutely congressman We'll sell all the oil and gas. All the country supported it. And the plan was that we would not complete and open the

pipelines until North Korea shut down the Young Bun reactor. That's their main reactor. Shut it down and allow for a transparent multinational review of that site to verify that the nuclear program was totally shut down. And then I told them once that's done and once it's verified, then the product will flow through the pipelines and you'll get a tipping fee. For every barrel of product going through the pipeline, you'll get income for your country. And you'll get to use some of the product for energy for your nation so you won't need nuclear power.

The North Koreans wanted to do it. The White House didn't want it. I'll tell you how severe it was and how how childish it was. You know we have an annual prayer breakfast in Washington every year and I used to go to every one of them. The president speaks. So I was at the time working both Libya and North Korea had been to both countries. So the Libyan ambassador in Washington was a man named O'Jally. I said, Ambassador O'Jally, will you come sit at the prayer breakfast with my delegation in front of the president to show that Libya is serious about peace

with America? He said, absolutely, Congressman. A month before the prayer breakfast, I get a call from the two embassy officials. North Korea had no embassy here. They had a consular office up at the UN. Ambassador Hahn and Ambassador Park. Ambassador Hahn called me. He said, Chairman Weldon, you have some kind of a prayer event in Washington once a year. I said, yes, Ambassador. It's the prayer breakfast. He said, Ambassador Park and I would like to come and bring

our spouses. I said, you want to come to the prayer breakfast? He said, yes. I said, well, you know, you can't have a press conference there. It's a prayer breakfast. We pray. He said, no, Congressman.

We just want to come and show our presence. Well, I said, absolutely, you'll be my guest. I organized the table. It was going to be the ambassador from Libby and his wife, Ambassador Hahn and his wife, Ambassador Park and his wife, right in the front, in the center of the National Prayer Breakfast. About two weeks before the prayer breakfast, I got a call from Ambassador Hahn. He was very upset. He said, Congressman Weldon, we have to turn down your offer. I said, why would you do this to me? You asked me to get the invitation. I get it. I get the table.

He said, Congressman, you don't understand. We're not an embassy. For us to travel outside of New York out of 50 miles, we have to get State Department approval. We applied for the permit, and have to get State Department approval. We applied for the permit and your State Department turned us down. I hung up the phone and I called the State Department. And the Congressional Affairs guy whose name I have in my records, and he'll say this, he'll verify it, before I could even say anything he said, Mr. Chairman, I know why you're calling and Chairman Powell supports you.

We were called by the White House and told to deny the approval for the two embassy leaders from North Korea to come with a prayer breakfast. What was their fear? Condoleezza Rice. She didn't want them in the room with the, she didn't want to show that North Korea wanted a peaceful coexistence with America. I'll take a polygraph. I get it, but what you're saying is that these neocons, they want war. They want conflict.

Why though? Is it pure profit or is it just constant conflict? It's Marxism. It's Trotsky. If you look back at their roots, it goes back to Ervin, what's his name, oh my goodness, I'm having a senior moment. Senior moment who does 20 pull-ups, by the way. Well, that's how I get past senior moments.

Oh my God, because anyway, it's a form, the Neocons. Erving Zeitlin? No, no, Erving, his son is a big Neocon now. He's one of the... Crystal, crystal. Crystal, Erving Crystal. Okay. Erving Crystal, Bill's dad created the Neocon movement

out of essentially a Trotskyite concept of using a combination, yeah, there you go. It's a combination of collectivism, concept of collectivism and chaos. That's why Stalin had Trotsky killed because Stalin did not like the idea that some guy was running around there using essentially communism as a method

of insinuating chaos. The chaos, they believe, philosophically, and they're using essentially communism as a method of insinuating chaos. The chaos they believe, philosophically, will allow for them to gain control. The chaos they believe gives them some level of global control. That was, and that, again, that goes back to Stalin. That makes sense to me.

That makes sense to me. We got a few minutes here. I wanna go through a couple things before we wrap up. Okay, Judy Wood, how much do you know about Judy Wood? I've never met the woman. I know a lot about directed energy. I was the first person to hold a congressional hearing on EMP based on, as you know, and you viewers can Google the term starfish prime. That was the first EMP test. If you had Peter Pryon, I know he talked about that. Peter worked for me. When I wrote the EMP legislation,

which became law, it created the commission. Peter was the executive director of the commission. EMP is our gravest threat right now, because it can neutralize a country by taking out your smart capabilities. But from that, weapons were developed using directed energy. And that's the major thrust to me today.

And what Judith Wood says is that those buildings weren't taken down through airplanes or bombs they were taken down through a massive direction energy attack. Who do you believe more her or Richard Gage? Who do you give more credit? Well first of all the architecture, I don't compare either one of the two because I'm not a professional in that area. I think they both are credible people. Richard Gage and the 3,000 architects and engineers have risked their entire lives and careers talking about the lies of the NIST and the false report that was put out there. And I can give you a story about NIST that'll blow your viewers away, but I won't bother you if you don't want to hear it.

But I want to stay on Judy Wood here because Judy Wood, interesting background, she got a degree in civil engineering, got a master's degree in engineering mechanics and applied physics and a PhD in material engineering science. She's not politically involved, she could care less about the politics side, it's not something that she talks about. But her theory, several observations she claims cannot be explained by official narrative, one lack of significant debris, She talks about how the debris pile after the collapse was much smaller than expected for buildings as large as the World Trade Center tower. She suggests that much of the material was vaporized or dustified by a DEW leaving little

rubble behind. That's one. Two, toasted cars. She points to reports and images of cars near the World Trade Center that were severely damaged or toasted in unusual ways, burned or melted, without clear signs of typical fire or explosion damage. Wood interprets this as evidence of selective energy defects from a DEW. Absence of expected seismic impact.

Wood claims that seismic data recorded during the collapse doesn't match that would be expected from a traditional building collapse. She argues that the DEW attack would produce less ground vibration than a conventional demolition. And then the Hurricane Aaron connection, which is kind of weird. On 9-11 there was a hurricane. Most people don't know this. There was Hurricane Aaron.

It was present in the Atlantic Ocean. Rob, I don't know if you've seen the picture of the Hurricane Aaron, how close it gets and what direction it just goes. If you've ever seen this, it would suggest a speculative link proposing that the storm's energy might have been harnessed or connected to the DEW technology used in the attack. It starts and just kind of goes and disappears to the other side. Now obviously, these are, to the average person, crazy claims. What do you think about what she says there? Any credibility there? I think we need this. We need to have a presidential commission.

Right. Get Richard Gage who's done a lifetime of work, Judith Wood, the firefighters, the lawyers, all the people. We have firefighters who've never been interviewed who heard explosions in the buildings. All of those people need to come together because the 9-11 Commission, listen carefully, is a complete fraud. I don't blame the commissioners. I blame the people who manipulated the data, the people who ran it. Well let me ask you this, let me ask you this. When the president was getting, doing an interview with, I want to say who ran it. Well, let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. When the president was doing an interview with, I wanna say, who was it that was doing the interview?

She's phenomenal at what she does at Fox. She married Duffy, Campos. Yes, she's great. And she asked, hey, when you become president, will you release what happened with John F. Kennedy? Yes. 9-11, yes. Epstein, yes.

Well, and then he kind of hesitates a little bit on the Epstein side. But 9-11 was like, yes, right? So now, did you see what happened with Cash Patel with Kennedy's hearing just yesterday? Did you guys see that clip or no? That clip was everywhere. Cash Patel's asking about Epstein.

Rob, if you can play the shorter one, that's the one right there. Is that the one? Yes. Go ahead and play that clip if you don't mind. And I'm not trying to tie the two together, but I'm trying to, I've got a question for you. Go for it, Rob. A person with a brain and a beating heart.

Yes, sir. Did Jeffrey Epstein hang himself or did somebody kill him? Senator, I believe he hung himself in a cell in the Metropolitan Tension Center. Are you going to release all the information about that? Senator, we are working through that right now with the Department of Justice. When do you think you'll have it done, Cash? I think in the near future, sir. Like before I die?

Senator, we've been working on that and we're doing it in a way that protects victims and also doesn't put out into the ether information doesn't put out into the ether information that is irrelevant for production of the public, such as CSAM. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Senator Reed. Question. Mario Cuomo, who you quoted earlier, said most people campaign in poetry, but they, you know, govern in prose, right?

Like you'll see all the stuff they want the people to hear and they become into you're like, whoa, you know, kind of have to do a different thing. You know, I can't do 80% of the stuff that I said most, right? This is why nobody trusts politicians, few statesmen, many politicians. We know the difference. President Trump, you know, positions himself as a statesman that has the brass to go up after people and he's not afraid. For him to say some of the stuff that he's done takes a lot of brass to do what he's doing. The trade war, not easy. The average person cannot do it. It's a very risky thing to do. He has the brass to do it. We all know that.

Between the two things to release, what do you think is riskier for them to release and why? Is it to open up a presidential commission to go investigate 9-11 or release the Epstein files? Because it seems like we were supposed to get this information and now they're just kicking it down And yeah two more months and two more trust me people gonna forget about it two more months and two more months Do you think that's? The deep state that's coming in and saying you cannot release this to anybody Who do you think it is and do you think President Trump will pursue 9-eleven?

Well, I've never met Donald Trump and I do think he's the only person right now in America that can get us back on a normal track about the way this country was designed when I taught school for seven years in Pennsylvania. My personal bias is I want 9-11 addressed because it is the largest single attack in U.S. history. It's the largest loss of life in our country. And in my opinion, I don't think it was an accident. I think there was deliberate involvement in what I've seen to cover it up, and I want to know why. With the Epstein case, I've not to cover it up and I want to know why. With the Epstein case I've not done an investigation I think that's probably more of a personal thing where

the deep state may have information on people that they are threatening people with if that comes out. So you leak it it's worse because you can't hold them hostage so you're using the data to hold people accountable. The key thing for Donald Trump is to take the initiative and be the aggressor and analyze all of those deep straight bad people and what they've done. Their bank accounts, what they hold now, their relationships. None of us know any of that and start to expose that. 9-11. Well, not only that, everything they've been involved in. Those people that have made money that have been caused by the deaths of American GIs

and by the deaths of American citizens and firefighters. Donald Trump should take the offensive. That's what I would do. To pursue not finding out what was behind 9-11. But also what people working for our deep state has gone on to make money that is exorbitant cash pots that they hide behind now based upon their ties to our intelligence in the past. So there's a couple things, and by the way, you made an official expression

when the cash Patel thing was going on, so I'm curious what you said, but I'll come back to that. But let me stay on this here right now. Is, do you remember when, what was it, Rob, when all the presidents had to show up? And President Bush was there, Pence was there, Obama sat next to Trump, Michelle Obama wasn't, I think it was Jimmy Carter's funeral. Jimmy Carter's funeral and you see President Bush come and they walk in a way to not have

to greet the president, okay? Not have to shake his hand. And I wouldn't shake everybody else's hand but not him. You've seen this clip, I'm sure the rest of the audience has seen it. If you have it, just type in Trump, Bush, Carter funeral. Trump Bush Carter funeral and show the clip of them walking in, specific, that's the one right here. Watch this.

This is him, President Bush is coming in. What's happening my guy? What up George? Hey, Laura. Specific that's the one right here watch this this is in president Bush is coming in Take the audio off shakes hands there and then boom no shaking hands with the president, right? You got pens you got everybody else not Melania. Not anybody. What's funny is Melania yesterday announced that they're doing a stamp specifically for I believe Barbara Bush Rob. Can you verify what I'm saying this if it's not a factual statement or not? Is Melania Trump announces Stamps Barbara Bush? Yeah, I'm right.

So Melania Trump announces yesterday, unveils Barbara Bush's Stamps, she left an undeniable mark on our hearts. Okay, so first I see this Jimmy Carter situation at the funeral and I see Bush doesn't talk to Trump. Maybe because he's about to release 9-11. Bush is worried about it because maybe he was linked to it on the deep state, you know that whole thing that we're talking January 20th 2001 is an issue there. Okay then I think about is he capable of talking about 9-11 if there's ever been a president that would be interested in wanting to do a presidential commission

on 9-11? I believe it's President Trump. Let me explain to you why. One, he's from New York. Two, when it happened, they interviewed him. Rob, do you have the clip of what happened when they interviewed the president? He was one of the most honest, straight-up feedback that he gave on what happened. This is not with any research.

This is with nothing. Yep, I saw it. When it took place, and this is what the president said on 9-11 when this took place, go ahead Rob. Great. Donald, you're probably the best known builder, particularly of great buildings in the city. There's a great deal of question about whether or not the damage and the ultimate destruction of the buildings

was caused by the airplanes, by architectural defect, or possibly by bombs or aftershocks. Do you have any thoughts on that? Well, it was an architectural defect. You know, the World Trade Center was always known as a very, very strong building. Don't forget, that took a big bomb in the basement. Now, the basement is the most vulnerable place because I was not a great and it

withstood that and I got to see that area about three or four days after it took place because one of my structural engineers actually took me for a tour because he did the building and I said I can't believe it the building was never been a rise come and half of the columns were blown out of itself this was an unbelievably powerful building. If you know anything about structure, it was one of the first buildings that was built from the outside.

The steel, the reason the World Trade Center had such narrow windows is that in between all the windows, you had the steel on the outside. See, the steel on the outside of the building. That's why when I first looked, and you had big, heavy I-beams, when I first looked at it, I couldn't believe it because there was a hole in the steel.

And this is steel that was, you remember the width of the windows of the World Trade Center folks. I think you, you know, if you remember up there they were quite narrow and in between was this heavy steel. I said, how could a plane, even a plane, even a 767 or 747 or whatever it might've been, how could it possibly go through the steel I happen to think that they had not only a plane

But they had bombs that exploded almost simultaneously because I just can't imagine this is on anything being able to go through that wall Most buildings are built with the Steelers on the inside around the elevator shaft This one was built from the outside which is the strongest structure you can have and it was almost just like a like a can of soup You know Donald we were looking at pictures all morning long of that plane coming into building number two and when you see that Approach the the far side and then all of a sudden within a matter of millisecond the explosion pops out the other side Right. I just think that there was a plane with more than just fuel. I think Obviously, they were very big planes. They were going very rapidly because I was also... So you know when you see something like this, you see him being from New York. You see his

background being real estate. You know he knows all the dark people in New York. You know he knows all the powerful people in New York. You know he knows all the political people. He's been doing stuff with Schumer, Hillary Clinton, all this, he knows all of these guys. If there is a guy that would reopen this up to find out what happened. He's the only one. He's the only one.

I think in our lifetime, the only one with the brass and the qualification to do it is him. And you are one of the only people that he'll listen to, which is why he came down to Florida on behalf of the firefighters of America To tell Donald Trump to convene and name a presidential commission. Thank you Anytime yeah, I hope it happens because for me the only thing I'm interested in is is the truth what happened Maybe we're wrong. It's okay if we're wrong. Maybe we are if we are look, let's just do it Yeah, let's just find out and get smarter. Let's find that on what happened. It'll definitely make America more, you know, safer if we're able to get that done today.

But I'm hoping that happens. Gentlemen, it's great to have you on today. We have different books. Rob, let's put the link to all the books. We have Awakened the Sleeping Giant. Mine aren't available. They're out there. They're not available? So if we are going to do it, which one could we do? So they can't even get the books. Really?

So for you, we'll put the Presidential Firefighters for 9-11 Truth. You can get this here. The film, Bravo 7. Bravo 7, which is there as well. For Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Schaeffer. We have operation dark heart Rob Let's put it below and for Eric we have Rob. Let me see that their intelligence operations We'll put the link below as well. And if I'm not mistaken Kurt I know people will reach out to you. I think you're also on my neck if people have information on 9-eleven

Oh, yeah, and and Tony they'll be able to get ahold of you guys. I'm joining. Okay, perfect. We're gonna put the link to that information below as well for them to be able to ask you questions, but this has been a breath of fresh air. Appreciate you guys for doing this, and maybe there will be a follow-up on this in the future. Thank you.

I'm looking forward to that. Thank you, sir. I'm looking forward to it. Take care, everybody. Bye-bye, bye-bye. I'm retired Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaeffer. I'm a senior intelligence officer slash retired spy with a great deal of information regarding my 30 plus years of operational experience plus 9-11 issues relating to Able Danger.

I wrote a book, Operation Dark Heart, New York Times bestseller. I'm the National Security Advisor for the Trump 2020 campaign. I'm an elected official in North Carolina as a county commissioner. So reach out to me via Manect. If you have questions, I'm happy to try to give you answers that will help you. Look forward to talking to you.