PBD Podcast - “The Church Is Under Attack” - Dr. Taylor Marshall EXPOSES Islam, Feminism, Porn & Cultural Collapse | PBD Podcast | Ep. 615

Episode Date: July 14, 2025

Dr. Taylor Marshall joins Patrick Bet-David for a hard-hitting conversation on the spiritual war facing the West. He breaks down how Islam, radical feminism, and porn culture are fueling the collapse of Christian values, and why the Church is failing to fight back. From woke theology to moral decay, Dr. Marshall exposes the forces eroding masculinity, destroying families, and threatening Western civilization. -----Ⓜ️ MINNECT WITH DR. TAYLOR MARSHALL: https://bit.ly/4lp74DJ📕 DR. TAYLOR MARSHALL'S BOOK "CHRISTIAN PATRIOT": https://bit.ly/4nMgo6a💻 DR. TAYLOR MARSHALL'S WEBSITE: https://bit.ly/3TBNnfP🎫 THE VAULT 2025 | SEPT 8TH - 11TH | THE GAYLORD PALMS | ORLANDO, FL: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4dJlmfL⁠⁠⁠🍋 ZEST IT FORWARD: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4jYg3Lh⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/41rtEV4⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠📱 CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠📰 VTNEWS.AI: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3OExClZ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time!ABOUT US:Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

And Christians are like, okay, we'll take that deal. But what we didn't realize is there's a new secular religion. They say they're not a religion. How do priests, pastors fight against that? It's just not enough to send in the Sunday school anymore. Why do you think Christians and many Catholics are afraid of the religion of Islam? If you speak against it, you are racist, you are fascist. They just hit you with it every single time.

You're seen in your area, Planoano where they're building the epic center. Our system in our constitution has left it open for them to be able to come and infiltrate if they want to. If things stay the same we lose. The rise of Israel, Hamas, the controversy. Where are you at? Financially and militarily support Israel. That's a new doctrine that was popularized in the early 1900s by the Schofield Bible. So this whole theology comes from kind of a dark place. Have you been following the Rogan talk about his going to church? Yeah, I have. There is an end to degeneracy. You can only be so gay, so many genders, so, you know...

You can only be so gay? Is that what you said? Yeah. You can only be so gay, boy? Yeah.? Yeah, you know, it's okay. Yeah Watch this. I can't even believe I'm showing this with that. It's not even in my notes. Wow. Have you ever heard this before? I just heard this last week. I never knew about this. Have you ever heard this before? The bigger and bigger life got I realized there's no way in the world. I can do anything big by myself The number of miracles that's happened happened I can't take credit for that. My handshake is better than anything I ever signed, right here. You are a one-on-one? My son's right. I don't think I've ever said this before.

Dr. Taylor Marshall, how are you? I'm great. Good to be here. It's great to have you on. Yep. I've seen a lot of your work. Thank you. And our guys, you're big fans, you know, the way you break things down and I really like the way you communicate. I found out a few things about you.

We are seven months apart, six and a half months. You're older than me, just so you're the senior here. I got more gray. March 29th, yeah, I'm October 18th. You got eight kids with you and your wife, respect. You got a PhD in philosophy, right? I think from University of Dallas. That's right. And then you went from being a priest in the Episcopal Church to being a Catholic. Yeah. How did that happen? Well, you know, I wasn't raised any religion. I think we celebrated

Christmas and Easter, obviously, but we never went to church, I wasn't baptized, had no religious formation. And when I was a kid, my best friend told me, he's like, hey, I just want you to know you're going to hell. And I was like, why am I going to hell? And he said, because you're not baptized. You're not a Christian. And I was, as a kid, I didn't know what a baptism was.

I didn't know any of this, but it kind of started making me think about, okay, well, who is God and heaven and hell and all that. How old were you at the time? Probably around like eight, nine. So is mom and dad, are they church going or are they heavenly? Not at all. Not at all. Okay, so regular family.

Yeah, I mean, American family. I mean, if you'd asked us, what are you, we would have said Christian, but we never went to church in any tradition. So I was a huge Texas Ranger fan as a kid. And sometime when I was around 12 or 13, my dad got me all the autographs of the Texas Rangers. And one of them, it was Darrell Porter, he was the catcher for the Rangers, he wrote his signature and under his name, he wrote Romans 10, 9. And I thought, oh, he's trying to, like, send me a code or there's, you know, so somehow I found out that was a Bible verse. I looked it up and it says, if you confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe

in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you'll be saved. And I was like, oh, here's this easy way. Like Darrell Porter from the Texas Rangers has told me. So I think I said my first prayer probably at that moment. And then just began a journey of, you know, reading through the Bible several times. And eventually, I became a Protestant minister, a Episcopalian priest, and was doing a lot of pro-life work and reading, you know, getting to know people and reading a lot of theology. And in my pro-life work, I kind of

realized that when people would push back, you know, I could use philosophy or some Bible verses, but I always noticed that the Catholics were always out in front of the Planned Parenthood praying, and I got to know some Catholics, and I was like, they got a catechism, they got a pope, they got encyclicals, they got all these like extra tools. And so as I prayed about it and discerned, I eventually went to Rome and I was at a mass with the Pope Benedict, and early that day I'd been able to go below the altar in St. Peter's, and that's where, according to tradition, St. Peter's buried. And just had this very deep conviction that this is where I need to be.

It kind of fits, you know, everything that I've longed for from a child, praying, trying to discover. And so my wife and I converted, we had four children at the time, we have eight children now. She's a huge PBD fan. She's like a day one PBD. I've been hearing for years, PBD said this, PBD said that.

So I know she listens to your show all the time, listens to mine, so we got a good matchup. But yeah, we have eight children and we live in Texas. Good for you guys. Eight, eight kids. Or you guys gonna go two more, double digits? I don't think we're gonna have any more. Nature has tapped us out.

Okay, I got you. I tell my wife, I said, babe, one more for five, babe. One more for five. She's like, you're not doing this. We gotta get the birth rates up. Yeah, no, listen, we're helping out. You're not eight, I'm at four. I know, we're doing our job.

We gotta get more to guys that wanna have the fours and the eights. But okay, so that's interesting, this story, because typically you'll hear the other way around. You don't hear, you know, an Episcopal to Catholic. You'll hear sometimes Catholic lead to the non-denomination, whatever the non-denomination would be. For you, was it, how much of it was mainly when you're seeing that Catholics were showing

up outside of pro-life, outside of, you know, the, what do you call it, the Planned Parenthood. How much of it was that? How much of it was friends around you? How much of it was certain system structure organization that kind of fit into your personality? How much of it was which one of those? I'd say it's 100% theology, reading sacred Scripture, I think, you know, when I was a teenager and I didn't go to any church, we didn't go to church. So, you know, someone said, well, here's the Bible. And I think like, you know, I read it through three times, you know, I was just an avid reader. And then reading church history, the church fathers, you know, since I didn't

grow up in a tradition, I was always sort of open, you know, what's a Methodist believe in a Lutheran in the Bible church and you know trying to figure out, you know who had the right take on it because I also kind of had this feeling that there this Call that I should be in ministry or a pastor, but then I was like, well Do I join the Methodist or the Baptist or the assembly of God? I don't I don't know so I was always sort of exploring it and for me when I started reading the early Church Fathers, so these are the men who Took over after the Apostles.

I started reading them and they were, you know, they were talking about, you know, the Eucharist and the Body and Blood and bishops and priests and deacons, and I thought, well, that hasn't been my experience. That sounds kind of Catholic, but as I explored that, you know, and started reading the Church Fathers and getting into the first century, second century, third century. I was moving along that way. You know, the Episcopal Church is already kind of, you know, in a way traditional with its liturgy and, you know, comes from the Church of England. So it kind of has a Catholic ethos and a Catholic aesthetic to it. But I think what I was missing was really the theology of it. So I think it was that process, and then I think the emotional part that pushed me over was realizing, you

know, if we're going to be solid on thou shall not kill and protecting the unborn and protecting the vulnerable, and the Catholics are doing a great job on that. So that was sort of the emotional push to leave where I was at, which was very difficult. I mean, I had been ordained. I was in a church, a congregation, a parish. I had people. I had all this going on. And so to walk away from that was extremely, extremely difficult for me. But, you know, I say it's like the pearl of great price. I've been just so blessed in being a Catholic and the seven sacraments. And I mean, I've been just so blessed in being a Catholic and the seven sacraments. And I mean, I've been Catholic almost 20 years now and still learning more just in Rome a couple weeks ago.

Got to see the Pope three times and this time... How was that? It was amazing. Yeah. I mean, the last Pope was kind of trailing off on popularity. He wasn't doing so well. We could talk about that. And I was interesting. He that's yeah, he's interesting. I wrote a number one best-selling book called Infiltration, which talks about him quite a bit. And I met him and gave him the book.

It's quite critical of Pope Francis, the previous pope. But now I was amazed, like the crowds in Rome are huge. I mean, he's out there in the Pope Mobile and it is just packed out there. Why do you think that is? I think people, including myself, were very disappointed with the previous pope. I think there was a lot of hurt, a lot of misunderstanding. And just to have a fresh new face in the white in the Pope Mobile, I think there's a lot of optimism. I mean, the jury's still out, but I remain prayerful and optimistic. But yeah, it was great. I mean, for me, going this time,

I've been about eight times, and we went to the catacombs, and you go down there, and they say there's 100,000 Christian martyrs buried down there. 100,000. There's 500,000 Christians, 100,000 people killed for Christ. Wow. And you just go in there, and you're literally just touching their tombs. And there's full size, and then there's even like little. Yeah, there it is. Yeah, we were in that one right there. And there's even little ones for children down there.

And you're just thinking to yourself, these people, their Christianity, their experience of Jesus Christ is so much more profound. Like, I felt just lukewarm, weak, weak-sauce Christian down there, because, you know, when they're going to church on Sunday, that could be the last one. Like, they could be stormed in, and that was the story of thousands of thousands of early Christians. So to be down there and to experience that, to actually touch it, was very humbling and makes me realize…

Dr. Darrell Bock This is your first time, you've never been there before? Dr. Michael Bauer No, I've been. I've taught in Rome, I've been there a lot. Dr. Darrell Bock No, but the hundred thousand. Dr. Michael Bauer I've been to one of the catacombs. This was the catacombs of St. Calixtus, one of the bigger ones. Dr. Darrell Bock Got it.

Dr. Michael Bauer I think it's like 10 miles of catacombs, all underground, like an anthill. Dr. Darrell Bock Do you think it's easier to be a Christian today or 200 years ago, 100 years ago? What do you think? I think 100, 200 years ago. Why do you think? The pressure on us, especially young people, I think really like teenagers, 20-year-olds,

the culture is so opposed to Christian faith, Christian belief right now. Wouldn't that make it harder today than 200 years ago? Oh yeah, that's what I meant. Oh, you meant it's harder today than before? Harder today. Okay, so and can you unpack that, go a little bit deeper into why you think it's harder today than 200 years ago? Yeah, I mean we have children and you just think about if you grew up a couple hundred

years ago, you were in a cohesive If you're in the West you're growing up in a cohesive Christian society Your school your teachers your friends your family your community they probably all go to the same church or similar churches and and that has a That has an effect on culture and has an effect on families. I feel now, especially if young people were swimming upstream, you know, they are just bombarded with TikTok and Instagram and social media, and there are so many different viewpoints

that are opposed to Christianity that are being thrown in their face. So you know, they might be exposed to, you know, I don't know, five anti-Christian thoughts, moments, whatever, a day, probably even more actually. And then how much time are we spending with our kids to teach them, to catechize them, you know, it's just not enough to send in the Sunday school anymore. So we're swimming upstream. And if you look at the numbers, you look at the statistics, I mean, we're moving into a post-Christian society and young adults are not identifying as much. Now those numbers have leveled out this year. We're seeing a lot of decline. Now we're starting to see flat line with young adults. So that's a good

sign but it's still not great. It's still not positive. It's not up and to the right. How much you think propaganda has been around for a long time, right? How much of propaganda you think was more used 200 years ago, 100 years ago versus today? What's easier? The usage of propaganda for and or against a church or religion, the power propaganda humans haven't changed and power structures haven't changed so I think propaganda whether you're defining it good or bad I think as a equal power it's just that now I think we're in the minority culturally speaking so we don't we don't

have the the strength in the influence and the universal presence to If you want to use the word propagandize our culture our society our young people Yeah, I I wonder I wonder if today if I'm the enemy and if I am China and I'm gonna confuse the crap out of the kids in America Christianity faith, whatever maybe. It's so easy to do. It's not hard to do through TikTok, Instagram, all that stuff.

So I think the tools to use propaganda, to confuse, to divide, to pin parents against kids, it's a lot easier to be used today. And they're so distracted. They're so distracted with the amount of distractions I have today to keep my head down and read a book versus what I... There's an article that came out from Chad GBT and MIT. I don't know if you saw this or not. MIT did a study on the power of Chad GBT and what it prevents you from doing.

Do you have that, Rob? It just came out three weeks ago. Yeah, right there. Chad GBT may be eroding critical thinking skills according to a new MIT study and it says it does a few things. The findings they had is the lowest brain engagement based on this EEG scan that they found across 32 regions of the three groups, Chad GBT, Google and Search, and No Tools. The Chad GBT groups show the weakest overall brain activity, which they're no longer like

what do you think? What do you think? Right? They're going straight to Chad GBT. And they kind of explain the mental laziness, soulless writing, poor memory retention, highest engagement from non-AI users. So not using AI, it's easier to have a conversation with them versus the guys that are just going straight on Chad GBT.

Google outperformed Chad GBT. Loneliness, correlation, programmers also affected, children at greatest risk because they're using it a little bit more closely, comprehension failure. I'm just wondering, the enemy you have today of bringing people to the Christian church, whether it's Catholics or whatever it whatever it is non-denomination The enemies today how different are those enemies than they were even 20 years ago 50 years ago 100 years ago You know st. Paul says that our enemies are not flesh and blood but they're the Evil principalities the spirits of darkness. So I think ultimately our enemies is something

metaphysical, something preternatural. And we're in a moment where, again, it's not just propaganda against us. It's actually, as the study shows, it's reducing critical thinking, which just makes people weak. It makes them, you know, they're now the prey

and it's easier to get them. And it's just like working out, you know, I just saw your amazing gym in here. If you don't work out, you get flabby, you get soft, you can't lift as much, you can't run. If you stop thinking and you actually have GBT doing your thinking for you, what's gonna happen to your mind? It's going to become weak. And then that just opens you up to propaganda of the negative sort. How do you fight? How does the church fight against that?

How does how do priests the church fight against that? How do priests, pastors fight against that? Well, I've been thinking about that a lot the last couple of years. I wrote this new book, Christian Patriot, 12 Ways to Create One Nation Under God, and it gives 12… We have the link below for people that want to go place the order. It's going to be in the description and in the chat. Please continue.

Thank you for that. I give 12 strategies, and a lot of it has to do with understanding culture and that being a Christian is not simply about me and Jesus, my personal relationship with Jesus. That's very important. It needs to be there. There needs to be that faith commitment. There needs to be that daily life. But we also, as Christians going all the way back for 2,000 years, there has always been the element of leaven within the society lifting up the society. And if you look over the last 2,000 years, where do the universities come from? The church, hospitals, the Catholic church, orphanages, every single human rights, right, dignity of women, all of these things come. How? How did that happen?

Christians were making a positive impact on society. It wasn't just about going to church, it was about transformation of the person, but transformation of the society. So there's actually a theology of being a citizen, of being a patriot. And it's not just about imposing a faith on a culture. There might be examples of that in history, but in general, it was we are providing truth, light, love, redemption, salvation that's attractive to people. And then you implement that in cultural ways that make a huge impact on people. And I think really since World War I, World War II, I talk about in the book,

people have sort of bought into this false deal where after World War II, they're like, hey, you know, we don't wanna have any more of these like strong dogmatic beliefs. Look what happened. We had World War I, World War II. You just keep your beliefs in your closet, keep them out of the public square,

and then you just pray, and then we're gonna have this rational, neutral space in politics, in culture, in film, in art. So it's the Woodrow Wilson era? Yeah, exactly. And Christians are like, okay, we'll take that deal. But what we didn't realize is there's a new secular religion. They say they're not a religion, but they have their own dogmas, they have their own clergy, they have their own feast days, they have their own parades, they're at your library reading books, they have a huge religious apparatus. And they say, we're not a religion, we're not a religion, but they are the new

secular religion. And that began to take root probably in the 50s, 60s. And I think people of good faith, Christians were like, yeah, I'm gonna keep my... Christ is important to me, Christianity is important to me, I want to be a disciple of Jesus Christ, but they kept it and they allowed the public space to be neutral. And that vacuum has filled in with a new secular religion, and that's what we're fighting against. So we should have never taken that deal, and we should have filled that vacuum, or never allowed a vacuum to be created, we should have held a Christian standard, Christian excellence, virtue ethics, natural law, all these things

that we had enshrined in what we call Western culture. It's really Christendom is the proper term. What we had in Christendom, and we've retreated, and now we're fighting a huge beast, Goliath. Yeah, so it's interesting when you're saying we used to, you know, before we had social programs, you go to the government for a social program. You got your social program from the church. That's right. It's where you got it from. Before you needed unemployment, the church gave you the unemployment benefits, right? That's correct.

Before you needed a place to stay, they got you a place to stay, right? Before you have to go through the government and taxpayers, and it wasn't the taxpayers, all of that was based on 10% of some of the people that were giving willingly and some were, didn't want to give, and most that didn't give. And you still with that 10% were able to get it to take care of your local community until this thing got bigger thinking we need more money. And what's better is Pat you could say well I have a lot of money I was raised an orphan or whatever I want to I want to support this orphanage and it was

charity it was actual charity that you were doing it or I want to fund this department at the university wealthy you know Christian excellent patriarchs were doing this for centuries and centuries. That's how all these cathedrals were built and universities and town squares and piazzas and all of this beautiful... Everyone loves to go to Europe because they love to see all the beautiful stuff. Yeah, that was the church that did that. And that's the way we used to think. And we have retreated. And now we have this new secular religion building ugly buildings and trying to influence our kids through TikTok, and they're doing their own evangelization. They're doing their own missionary work. And we're sitting here thinking, well, I don't want to impose my faith on other people, so I'll just be quiet.

Well, we lose that war every time. And again, I'm not talking about coercing people, you must become a Christian or you go into prison, but we still have, it's okay for us to say, okay, well, if you're going to cite, you know, Karl Marx and Shay and all these guys, well, I'm going to quote Moses. I'm going to quote Jesus Christ, Saint Paul, like, let's go, battle of ideas. That's how we used to be, and we used to be a dominant culture. And we haven't even talked about Islam, but that's also, I think, in America, it's this new secular religion.

The new secular religion is way advanced in Europe, and now that vacuum's starting to be filled with Islam. Why do you think Christians and many Catholics are afraid of the religion of Islam? Because historically, it's violent. I know I'm not supposed to say that, it's supposed to be the peaceful religion, but Muhammad was a warrior. If you look at the first 200 years of the growth of Islam,

it was a violent movement. And so that's scary to people. And to talk about Christians, you had Charles Martel and Charlemagne and the Battle of Lepanto and Malta and all these things where the Christians came together and they said, man, the Turks are at the gates of Vienna. They get past Vienna, they're coming to Rome, they're coming to Paris. And they got together and they went and fought.

That's another way of thinking. There's a chapter in the book, I talk, foreign policy as Christians. Like, do we need to start thinking in terms of foreign policy based on our deepest belief? Because I'm a citizen of the United States. I'm also a Christian. I'm a Catholic. I can't separate church and state. Like, this side of me is my citizenship and this side of me is my soul. Is that literally where you are? Because that was going to be one of my questions for you. Is that where you are? Where both go hand in hand? Yeah, there has to be an integration because, look, a government, a society is a collection

of people, right? And I can't bracket out the most important thing to me, which is Jesus Christ. I can't bracket that out of my life and be a citizen or to be a father or to be a worker. That is at my core of who I am. And so that is going to direct my decisions and the way I run my businesses, my family, the HOA on and on and on, just ripple it out. And when we did that, were there bad people that abused it?

Yes, were there bad kings or popes? And yes, we've seen all that. But I would say the net benefit has been tremendously good for humanity. Yeah, I don't disagree. The question that becomes to isolate this topic of Islam, right, Muslim, and you see stats on what's going on in UK, in Europe, and a lot of different places.

And Rob, can you pull up the one chart we showed earlier today about who's leaving UK in different countries and where they're going to their net migration of millionaires? And this is business people that are job creators that you gotta look at and say, why are people leaving? So here's a chart. I don't know if you've seen this or not.

If you look at this and zoom in all the way to the bottom, millionaire migration in 2025, look at UK. They will lose the most millionaires due to sweeping tax changes and the closure of investor visas on top of that, what is happening over there, the migration that's coming in. And then look at all the other countries you're looking at and go all the way to the top if you go all the way to the top used to

be US number one UAE is number one ahead of us and you got a few other guys and new poll came out that CNN was showing whether it's New York Times whether it's CBS whether it's ABC whether it's anybody the number one issue for them is immigration to get it scored away in America it's ABC, whether it's anybody, the number one issue for them is immigration, to get it scored away in America. They're not comfortable with it. And the pattern you notice is where they come from. Because for me it's very simple.

Who moves into what city and what happens to that city? If you're Armenian, Assyrian, white, black, Christian, Scientologist, Muslim, Pakistani Muslim, Shia, Sunni, Sikh, you name it, when you move to a city or state or country, does it get better or worse? And if it gets worse, why are we debating it? Why are we sitting there apologizing and making exceptions for it? Why do you think the walking on eggshells is so strong when it comes down to the religion of Islam? Two things. The new secular religion is pushing this on us as an ideology, right? If you speak against it, you are racist, you are fascist. They just hit you with it every

single time. The second thing, and Europe is way more advanced on this trail than we are, and that is the violent advanced on this trail than we are, and that is the violent nature of it. I think there is a true fear. Europe has a longer memory than we have in the United States. We've never really gone saber to saber with the Turk and the Saracen and the Mohammedan. We've never done that. They have. France has Hungary has Romania has Greece all those countries have a national memory of Saber to Saber fight with the Muslim and I think they're afraid I think they don't they no longer Their cup is empty. They no longer have the faith of their fathers that inspired them To go out and die outside the gates of Vienna or die

outside the walls of Constantinople. They don't, they've lost the faith. And so I think when they see the violent enemy, there's just fear. How do you change that? You have to convert people. You have to create people who are fully in with the heart and the mind into Jesus Christ, the way, the truth, and the life. And then they, from that, through a path of discipleship, they begin to be transformed in the way they view the world. It's a worldview change. It's

not... It's something that begins through a conversion conversion and then it begins to pour out into the society Well, then the challenge isn't that we're not converting because we are converting the Christian World population. What is it 2.1 billion to to some number like that Muslim is what 1.4 1.5? I think it's higher now. I think I want a okay. So one day they're gonna get passing us up I think no time to work in 2050 or 206060 they could be hitting parity. So you got population, what is the total population of British religion? Okay, Christianity is 2.3 billion. Oh shoot, Islam is 2 billion now. And you got Hindus and 1.2, Buddhism you got the rest of Judaism is 14-15 million. Okay, so if you look at 2.3 billion to 2 billion,

go up percentage to look at the percent. We're at 28.8, they're at 25.6. We looked at the numbers, Rob, on how much they've improved in the last 10, 15, 20, 30, 40, 50 years. You'll notice they went from nothing, 600 million to 2 billion like this. More kids, all this other stuff.

So then the question becomes, are we, in the insurance company, we used to call something fast start. You become a new recruit, we get you licensed, we get you to go out there and start selling, okay? The same recruit can be fast started by five different people, and one can be a lousy insurance agent, one can be okay, one

can be good, one can be great, one is a professional. No complaints, no issues, proper business, follow up right way, asking for referrals, respectful, sending letters, sending cards, treating them well, being good citizen in the community where everybody trusts the way you're handling them. So to me then it isn't necessarily on whether we're converting or not. It's how soft are the pastors and the priests at church, similar to your previous pope that you had, where they're almost apologetic. Hey, they're allowing the transgenders to come into church and get on the pulpit.

I don't know if you remember that clip. I'm like, what is he doing? What are you doing having dinner with? This is this is how it's supposed to look like now that we're supposed to be Allowing the standards to be as messy. This was it. I think was a year ago Right the transgender woman to lunch to to have lunch with the Pope Rob where is this by the way, this is I think it was Italy I'm not sure, I'll have to look. You can keep playing it Rob, keep playing it.

Let me see the clip. So I'm trying to get to the point where to go a little bit fast forward to see what it is. I'm sure you remember this. Yeah. While this is happening. So then to me, what ends up happening when I see this, I see you are discipling weak disciples. You're discipling weak by not equipping them with the right questions, approach, fearlessness, yet humility, but humility with certainty,

with a certain level of confidence. We don't have that. It's sloppy conversion. It's sloppy division. And I'm not talking about everybody, by the way. I'm not sitting here saying every church does this, every priest does this, every pastor does this. So the moment there's friction, it's like, oh my God, let me back down.

I don't know what to do. I'm just going to go be a regular guy. I don't want to experience this ever again, right? So they're not being equipped well. While on the other side, religion of Islam is maybe equipping their people with a little bit more of strength, confidence, and what's the word, audacity, and we lack a little bit of audacity. We lack a little bit of audacity. We lack a little bit of that firmness to go out there.

What would you say to this on? 100%. I wrote another book called Infiltration. It's the book most people know me from, and in that book I give a 200-year history. I say in the 1800s there was, and I prove it historically and send the footnotes, there was, after the French Revolution, there was an intent to infiltrate the Catholic Church and all Christians in general in order to undermine them from within,

and this is what we're seeing on the screen. So when I talk about the new secular religion or atheism and transgenderism and all these things, it's not something that's just like, here we are, the Christians, here's the Catholic Church, and then here's them and let's go to war. They're actually inside with us. They have infiltrated in and they are working, and you see this in government, you see this in Trump's, right? That's how the enemy works effectively when they lose the external war, they infiltrate and have an internal war. And that's how the enemy works effectively when they weren't when they lose the external war

They infiltrate and have an internal war and that's another reason. I think why we are so weak 500 years ago Christendom was united. We had the Protestant Reformation. We split into 30,000 different groups. That's weakness and Then we've had an infiltration in the last couple hundred years since the French Revolution of Infiltrating what Jesus calls sheep's and wolf's clothing. They're amongst us. They're deceiving us. And so this puts us in an even more difficult situation, right? And then, you know, we have Pope Francis who is making all kinds of questionable statements, policy changes, etc. And a lot of this, you know, a little inside baseball in the Catholic Church there was a council, the 21st Ecumenical Council, 1962 to 1965.

It was called the Second Vatican Council. And the idea was, hey, humanity's changing, there's, you know, modern advances in society, we're going to the moon, JFK's president, all these things. It's an optimistic, it's a great time, it's pre-Woodstock, you know, it's great. And so this council updated a lot of things in Catholicism, and since then, within the Catholic Church, there's sort of a bifurcated, there's a division on how to approach that. Do we want to update, or do we continue with tradition? So like, I would consider myself a traditionalist, but There's also the modernist, and Pope Francis is certainly the modernist. He wants to change with the times, update things,

get along with everyone. That's a method of caving. It is, it's a complete. The backbone isn't there. That's exactly correct. And so once you give up all your distinctives in order to meet everyone where you are, you have nothing left.

How much of that has been a pattern? Because you can watch a leader and see their pattern. Like right now, Pope Leo, we can kind of go see some of the things he said in the past. He hasn't said much. He's very, he's kept it very close to himself. But there's enough where you can find out when they're going through the conclave on the process of it Who he is at what point did people know Pope Francis was was he always a little bit too liberal and Forgiving and it's okay and trying to conform for everybody allow everybody in or was there a moment where he had a backbone where

He was tough and everybody wanted this guy. I or was there a moment where he had a backbone where he was tough and everybody wanted this guy? I remember when he was elected and walked out on the loja, and I just had this bad feeling in my gut. I was like, oh, this isn't good. But I, as a Catholic, you know, he is the leader, he's the successor, we believe, of St. Peter. So I was like, you know what, I'm going to give him a chance. And that was in 2013. By 2016-17, I was thinking, this is bad. On my podcast, I started being critical and a lot of Catholics came after me. How dare you say that? He's the Pope and all that. And I said, look, we have over 200 previous Popes, we have all these saints, we have all these dogmas and doctrines. Let's just compare what he's saying

to the massive list of things we have and it doesn't match up. There's just compare what he's saying to the massive list of things we have, and it doesn't match up. There's some problems here, real problems, and I caught a lot of flak on that, but I think, you know, on the other hand, my podcast blew up because I was saying things that people were thinking and struggling with, but was actually articulating them in the public. And, you know, that's one of the hardest things, I think, about being a Christian, particularly being a Catholic is you want to be faithful to God you want to be faithful to Jesus Christ But then there's also the leadership and this is true in Protestant churches, too. They're scandals, right? There's the pedophilia abuses. There's embezzlement. I mean the Cardinal Archbishop of DC McCarrick Cardinal McCarrick was You know doing bad stuff with, embezzling money.

Fortunately, he got thrown out towards the end of his life, but you've got real wicked people amongst us. And that's, I think, another huge challenge. You've got the enemy without, we have the enemy within. We're fighting two battle fronts. Yeah, the one on the within is a tougher one. It is. The one on the outside, it's, you can at least know.

You know, one thing with enemies, I trust my enemies sometimes more than I trust my own friends because the enemy at least wants to kill you. And that's an honest relationship. You know, in business and capitalism, I know what my enemy wants. He wants me to be out of business so he can get my market share.

I trust my enemy because I trust what's his number one. If I got a pizza shop across the street and you're here, guess what? You want my pizza guys to come to you. I get it. You want my best guy that makes the best pizza to come to you. I get it. I respect it, what you're trying to do. And I have to find a way to keep wanting to compete. But when it's on the inside and you're seeing it now how you handle it's okay

So go let's go back to it specific to Islam and Christianity today. Okay. What do you foresee happening? We know the way they're going right now 20 30 years in America they're gonna be growing you're seeing Mamdani in New York who is a radical leftist, you can call him a progressive socialist, democratic socialist, but when you use certain phrases we know out of Karl Marx, you know, sees the means of production and capital, that's, you know, you've seen Red Atlas Shrug or you've read Communist Manifesto, I've read both of the books, he's a communist. and you're seeing what's happened with him ill-hung Omar you're seeing detroit dearborn

you're seeing in your area collieville would not call it will play no what they're building the epic epic center that you know you you you do the governor's trying to work ahead our system in our constitution has left it open for them to be able to come and infiltrate if they want to. There's nothing about our constitution that doesn't allow them to not be able to compete. And they're not going to slow down until they get what they want.

That's a form of competitiveness. If I believe in what I believe in, I'm going to come and take your market share, your members, your churches, I'm going to take churches that you guys have converted into Muslims. How do you fight against that? And what do you foresee taking place in the future with this? If things stay the same, we lose. I think that's obvious. Just look at the demographics. Just look at the curves.

You can go on Grok or ChadGDPD and say, Grok, draw for me a graph of the population rates and pick a country, and it'll draw it out and you can see which here. That is going to happen and we need to have a real come to Jesus meeting. Literally. Literally. Literally. It's about interior conversion, but it's also about the external expression. And when you have abortion, contraception, you have feminism, America sadly is I think class I saw is either 1.6 or 1.7 TFR birthrate. That's horrible. We were holding strong for many years at 2.1 which is replacement. That's right. But you know

people you know they get on X, they get on social media and they're complaining and the immigration and I generally agree with them but if we are not reproducing ourselves through conversions, but even just in the most basic way, which is through procreation, we are done for, we are done. I'm a cattle rancher.

Yesterday I was out, had a calf born and was working and working with the cattle. If my cows had a 1.6 TFR birth rate, I'd be out of business. I'd be depressed. What's wrong with the cows? What's in the water? What are they eating? Are they poisoned? Are coyotes killing them? What's going on? Why are we at 1.6 per cow? Like that is, you're out of business in one year. And yet we as a society are sitting here twiddling our thumbs 1.6 and it's going down and I think

Muslims, I don't know what the recent is, but I think Muslims are around 3. It's not great, but it's definitely above replacement. Just run those numbers, run that concept, you're done, you're gonna lose, you're gonna be replaced. And so that's another, it's another, it's a chapter in the book in having a real conversation of what is marriage, what is family, why do we have children, what is the purpose of matrimony, how do we raise our children, and are we truly open to being above replacement levels. That's a conversation, I don't think the Overton window has moved that far yet, but we need to get the Overton window moved. I

mean, that's part of the reason why it's one of the chapters in the book is we need to have real conversations. Thank God you have four. You're doing great. I got eight. We need people to start thinking about what is our duty to our patria? That's Latin, our fatherland. That's why I use patriot.

Patriot is a virtue of devotion to the patria and patria is Latin for fatherland. That's why I use patriot. Patriot is a virtue of devotion to the patria and patria is Latin for fatherland. It has to do with honor your father and mother. What is your duty to humanity? Duty to God is first. Duty to humanity is, you know, and all these young people they don't want to get married and there's a lot of good reasons for that. The way marriage laws and divorce and the way our economy is. There's a lot of reasons why people, young people aren't having marriages, family, children. We need to address that. But we really do need to have that discussion or we're just done. Like, it's over. It's extinction.

Yeah, I don't think, I think right now, the way marriage, the package and the benefits of marriage is being sold, most people don't know how to sell it. The way the packaging of having kids being sold, most people don't know how to sell it. Years ago, real estate was going through a terrible time where people weren't buying homes. They were renting and everybody became minimalist and they're like, why would I buy a house? I'm just going I buy a house? I'm just gonna rent a house.

And then they hired this marketing guy that came in and he says, look, why do people come to America? Because the American dream. We got a tie owning a home to the American dream. So every commercial moving forward was, I'm living the American dream. What is the American dream? I'm finally a homeowner. Boom.'m living the American dream. What is the American dream? I'm finally a homeowner. Home ownership, American dream. Do you

want to live the American dream? Baby, let's go buy a house. We're living the American dream. Real estate skyrocketed again. And I know this is next one is a bad example. It used to be pro-death. It wasn't pro-choice. Pro-abortion. Life insurance used to be called death insurance, right? Pro-choice. Pro-abortion. Life insurance used to be called death insurance. Right? Pro-choice used to be called pro-abortion. Elimination, pro-elimination. Now it's pro-choice.

Better word, I'm open to pro-choice. I'm not open to pro-abortion, but I'm open to pro-choice. What do you think, from your words, why should somebody get married? I'm a single guy, I'm a playboy, I'm having a good time, I'm running around, do I'm a playboy, I'm having a good time, I'm running around. Do I really want to be just with one girl and have to answer to my wife every, pick up the phone if you don't pick up, you got an argument.

What are you doing Friday night, Saturday night? I want to go out with the boys to the club and hang out. You want me to give all that freedom up for marriage and you want me to be having kids? Wake me up in the middle of the night, one of the kids gets a flu, then all the kids get flu and it's just a matter of time when I'm getting the flu, it could be three weeks from now, a week from now, two months from now, saliva, I'm out of work, they're spitting on me, I'm changing their diapers. What a mess. You're not selling it.

You're not selling it. Package it better for me. So why should a, you know, guy sitting here saying, dude, I just want to focus on my career, lady focus, I just want to focus on my career, I don't I could get better for me. So why should a guy sitting here saying, dude I just wanna focus on my career, lady focus, I just wanna focus on my career, I don't wanna have kids get married. Why should somebody get married and have kids? Well I've heard you on the podcast talk about it. The joy, those moments with your children

and watching them grow and develop. We have eight children and it is the highlight of my life. It is truly, was it extremely difficult when we had, you know three under four and you know, you got diapers Absolutely, but you know what? So is building a business. So was right in the boat. You've done all these things you hate it There's times you like this sucks. Why am I doing this? It's not worth it. Yeah, but then later on It's amazing. And people need to know that that is the path of parenthood and family. Is there instant gratification?

No, but we need to teach people delayed gratification because I sometimes when I'm enjoying something great in my life of success, I think there was a past version of Taylor Marshall who made these decisions and worked really hard for those six months or those two years. And that past version of Taylor Marshall gifted this moment to me because of what I did before, you know. And you have to think about that delayed gratification. And that is Christianity. Christianity is we are in a valley of tears, there is suffering in this life, We're all going to have problems We're all gonna die. We're all gonna have suffering We live not for the instant gratification of the drugs the sex the party what all these things

We defer we we restrain ourselves from these things because we believe in a higher good and that it will be better That has to be taught to people we live in a higher good and that it will be better. That has to be taught to people. We live in a more hedonistic society. And I think what you're saying there is also, we have to sell it. You know, we have to show that it's not just the American dream, it's the human dream. Everything that's alive wants to procreate, to reproduce, to expand the good. And maybe people have a bad view of themselves, or maybe there's some self-hatred, or there's fear because their parents were divorced, or things they went through from a child, and like, I don't wanna expand that. But I think if you have a right relationship with God, there's healing in those things, and there's a new perspective. There's a transcendent view. It's not just

looking around here anymore. You're starting to look up there and you're like, I'm just for a moment, I'm for 80, 90 years, but something goes on. And I always tell my kids, all my kids, I'm like, look, I want you to be smarter than me. I want you to have a better marriage than mom and me. I want you to be wealthier.

I want you to be holier. I want you to be better, smarter, everything than me. My whole goal is just to slingshot you into more excellence, and I'm sure you're the same way. No question about it. Right? Yeah. That's an amazing thing.

That's an amazing thing. I don't want to hold my kids back. I want them all to be, when I die, hopefully better than I am along the path of what God wants for them in this world. That is the ultimate project to live for. Eight kids, which number was hardest? Because when you have two, they'll tell you when you go to three, that's tough, right? Because you know the whole triangle offense or zone and whatever they talk about. What number was tougher than three? Three and four is the hardest. That's it. Well, because they're so young. They're so young, and you're dealing with young kids.

As they reach 10, especially when they start reaching, we haven't had like really bad problem, kids or teenagers. You've got some of the older ones, and they're helping mom with dinner. And there's kind of a team effort that happens. And I think that's another great thing for kids to be part of this large community where there's there is fighting and there is bickering and you know he took this and he didn't do the chores and tattletaling that's all but I think that also rounds

you out and polishes off the rough edges for people and that's something else I think we're kind of missing is sort of the joy and the benefit, the outcome of a large family. You'll meet all the guys all the time, like, oh, I got 100 employees, I got this. It's like, well, you know, let's have, let's have, go from two kids to three kids. How many friends you got that have eight kids?

Same, same mom and dad. Man, I've got one of my buddies, a mentor, Greg. We just went to Rome together. He's got 12. Catholic as well. Catholic, guy. We just went to Rome together. He's got 12. Catholic as well. Catholic, guy across the street from me, Catholic. He's got eight. Same husband and wife.

Same husband and wife. I'd say I probably know 30. You know 30? I'm Catholic. Oh, that's, Santorum's also got eight kids. Santorum had eight kids, if I'm not mistaken, right? Something happened to one of them, I believe. There was a challenge that happened with them.

How many kids does Santorum have? I think you're right, I think he has eight. Yeah, there it is, there it is. Yeah, interesting. And that's one of the things about being Catholic is, in 1968, Pope Paul VI came out very controversial and he says, contraception's wrong, it's a sin. Now, 90-something percent of

Catholics don't follow that teaching, but it's on the books. And when you think about it, you know, when you think about the mystery of matrimony and the mystery of what sex actually is, the way God designed it, I think there's a lot of wisdom in what Pope Paul VI says in the Catholic Church. And, you know, when people find out I have eight kids with the same woman, they're like, okay, are you Catholic, Mormon, or Muslim? That question right there, I think, is revealing to where we are in a society. And it is a blessing.

It is the most rewarding thing I've ever done. And I think you would agree with me that the the joy of seeing your children succeed, even fail, learn, grow. It is it's such a it's it's such a profound human experience. It's it pulls you out of your own egoism into the life of other people. And another thing I think it does is it bonds you to your wife because you have to be together.

If you have one or two kids and they go off to college, yeah, I mean, you don't really, maybe you do get divorced. I don't know, but when you're dealing with a team like that, you really learn to Bond with each other you really learn to work as a team and just as it's kind of chiseling off the rough parts on the kids I think it's also doing the same for the husband and wife. So Interesting I just can you search which

religion has the most kids And not even I don't even know if I want to go religion. Do Catholics, Mormons, and Jews and Muslims, specifically them. Can you go a little lower up so I can see what you're typing? There you go. Okay. Who has more kids? So, interesting when you say you're Catholic 2.9

Mormons are three holy moly Mormons Mormons they're doing it they're doing it they're doing it right now while they're watching this they're gonna take a break right now and step away Catholics are at two Catholics are at two below replacement Jews 2.3 but is is it is it can you put in there can you put in how many do traditional Catholics have that's kind of where I'm at. That's what I am That's like Mel Gibson, you know, like we're like the old dinosaur Catholics put in how many how birthrate for traditional Catholics? Okay, there you go, that's one six four point two that's what we want to talk about Yeah, three point six to four point2. That's what we want to talk about. 3.6 to 4.2. And so, when you tell me 30, dude, I don't know if I know... I would say on Sunday at Mass, more people are under 15 than over 15.

That's amazing. It is amazing. That's a very healthy sign for... It is. I would say if your church isn't crying, it's dying. Like, you need to hear those babies. Yeah, makes sense. That's good. So, from the moment he said that, contraception, what year was that? He said 1960s?

I mean, it's been the first time that any Christian said contraception was okay was the Anglican Church of England 1930, Lambeth Conference. That was shocking to the world that Christians said, oh, you can use condoms, and they were like, whoa. When was the first time? 1930. And what's the name of the person that said you can use condoms? It was the conference of Anglican non-Catholic bishops called the Lambeth Conference, I believe. So the Lambeth Conference.

That was 1930. That was the first time any Christian had ever said, you can practice artificial contraception. Did it come up? There it is. 1930, Lambeth Conference. And so then when that happened, there was all this confusion in Christianity. Can we do this or can we not do that? And finally, 38 years later, 1968, Pope Paul VI issued a document called Humanae Vitae, and he says, you may not practice artificial contraception. It's hugely controversial, still controversial to this day. Still controversial to this day, like even members say, I don't know about this. You know, your Joe Biden Catholic crowd, they're like, that's dumb, we're going to contracept,

right? But those who are traditional Catholics, they're like, we're never gonna use a condom, we're never gonna use contraception, let's roll the dice and see what happens. Yeah, I mean that's in 1930, first time they say this at the Lambert Conference. Question is, was he the founder of Trojan Condoms? That's kind of what I want. Maybe there's like a majority investor. It's like an 18% owner. Like, oh, now it makes sense. You guys are a billionaire. Yeah, it started off with targeting Catholics first, but what was it? You said this was in Church of England? Church of England, Protestant Church of England, Lambert Conference

was a group of their bishops and clergy. They all got together, they discussed it, and they said, and actually, let me clarify. They said it can only be used by married couples, they said using it outside of, you shouldn't be even having sex outside of marriage, so that's off the table. They were just saying married couples can discern to use it in the Protestant Church of England, and then the Catholic Church says no, we're not going to allow that. Why though? Why? Is it to say No, we're not gonna allow that. Why though? Why is it to say the act and the behavior is purely to procreate?

Is that what the mindset is? It's not purely to procreate because God associated with extreme pleasure and bonding. So it's not solely to procreate. But when you, you know, if I said, well, let's look at the ear and we did an anatomical study of the ear, oh, it's for hearing.

We can hear things in the eyeball and the stomach and all these things. If you look at human genitalia, they're designed for procreation. So if you're going to completely remove that from the human experience, you're working against nature. And here we are 2025. You have a lot of pissed off people if you did that.

If you remove that from the human experience, they would go protest. Yeah. They'd be very upset about people if you did that. If you removed that from the human experience, they would go protest. They'd be very upset about that if you did that. Now in the last five years, it's become popular to cut your dangling off and go through the procedure. See, look where it led us. Look where it led us.

Well, and also think about this, Pat. If you remove, if a man and woman are married, and this is the inner sanctum of their marital life, that's the exclusive element of polymatrimony. If you say, okay, well, we're gonna remove that procreative element, ultimately there's the male and there's the female and they come together and have a child.

If you start to remove that, you're also starting to take away the idea of what marriage is, and you're also taking away the procreative difference between man and woman. Now just extrapolate that over time, and you're going to redefine marriage altogether, and you might even redefine what it is to be a man or a woman, right? You're kind of breaking past the holy of holies of that veil and getting in there and changing something for the first time. breaking past the holy of holies of that veil and getting in there and changing something

for the first time. And even like Tucker Carlson's been like saying, man, I've rethought this contraception thing. Like this is big. And Dr. Peterson said, feminism is not all these women being heroic. Feminism was the invention of the birth control pill. It gives them the power to go into the workplace and prevent pregnancy for

decades at a time. Without that magical power, you would not have feminism. No Frills delivers. Get groceries delivered to your door from No Frills with PC Express. Shop online and get $15 in PC optimum points on your first five orders. Shop now at nofrills.ca. I wonder if it's gonna flip. Like even right now, I wonder if it's gonna flip and we're gonna get to a point where it's about having four, five, six, seven, eight, 10 kids. I wonder, because that's a massive flip.

When you live a selfish life, it's temporarily, it's very warm and fuzzy. And by the time you find that it's not, it's kind of too late. You know, you're kind of like, ah, shoot, like, oh, feminist movement. Let me tell you, and then you're 66 years old. Biggest mistake of my life was joining. You see that taking place. Hey, I'm Dr. Taylor Marshall and I run a podcast and write books on philosophy, theology, Catholicism. My wife and I have eight children, so if you'd like to connect and ask me any questions on any of these topics or anything else, please connect with me on Manect. Have you been following the

Rogan talking about how he's going to church? Yeah, I have. Fantastic. Do you have a clip of it, Rob? I do. Is this him talking about it? Yes. Go for it. Wait, are you going to church too or is that bullshit?

I have been to church. Oh, fuck. Why? Have you ever been to church before? I've been. It's actually very nice. They're all just trying to be better people. It's a good vibe.

Why don't you go to a Catholic church? I tried that. I did that. I went to St. Pat's in New York. Yeah, that's a beautiful place. That's a good vibe. Why don't you go to a Catholic? I Tried that I did that I went to st. Pat's in New York So I gave me a rosary I Keep it. It was not very nice. What is which one is it? It's just a Christian church Yeah, all this fucking Joel Osteen What do you think about this I think that's great. I mean, he has been bringing on a lot more Christian conservative thinkers. And so I've kind of,

I don't watch every single Joe Rogan show, but I've watched tons of them, hundreds of them, and I've seen that trajectory. I'm not totally surprised. You've seen, you know, Candace Owens became Catholic last year. Yeah, I saw that. Jordan Peterson's wife became Catholic. She looks like she's on track for eight kids, by the way. They just had number three. Yeah. No, no, no They're four, I think. Oh, they have three. Yes. Yeah, they're on track. They're on track. They're traditional Catholic. Yeah, they're hitting those numbers. We gotta hit those, pump those numbers, people. They're going. Pump the numbers. They're hitting those numbers. We gotta hit those, pump those numbers, people. Pump the numbers.

You know, it could be, I think in some like Mormon circles and maybe even in some Catholic circles, it could be a sometimes perceived by people on the outside as a status symbol. They're like, oh, you're trying to flex on us because you have a Mercedes van with seven kids in it or whatever, you know? And I don't, I've never thought like, oh, I wanna flex on people by changing diapers for years or whatever, you know, and I've never thought like,

oh, I wanna flex on people by changing diapers for years upon years, you know what I mean? But honestly, it's so many times it does happen to us now, cause our youngest is nine, our oldest is turning 23. When we're out like a posse, you know, so many people come up and they're just like, this is so, this is so beautiful. Thank you. People, especially older people, but even some younger people, I have after church today,

this couple came up to me and they're like, we just got married last weekend. And I was like, congratulations, welcome to matrimony, you know, it's going to be hard. It's going to be great. And they're like, you have any advice? And they're like, we love seeing your family. And I just gave them some advice. And so there are these people who I think have maybe lived a degenerate lifestyle and they party, party, party, and they got out in time and they realize,

I really wanna live that transcendent life. To get out of that degenerate lifestyle quick. Cause you can prolong that for 30 years. I mean, you and I know like we had friends, you can drink and party, but once he starts hitting 40 you can see It on him. Yeah, it's like dude relax. Yeah use that You know aging for the right investment and it's kids but Rogan So you saying the trajectory you watch hundreds of episodes. You just kind of seeing what where he's going

What is the trajectory that you've seen him go through? because he is the he's the trajectory that you've seen him go through. Because he is the modern day Johnny Carson, where people are watching him go through it. And I would also put the modern day Johnny Carson with some kind of a, because with Johnny was all entertainment, right? There's an element of pure learning, education.

Curiosity. I think he's a Johnny Carson, but he's also kind of a tribal leader because he has all these people in his wake. No question about it. I started watching, I was a Jiu Jitsu guy, and I was watching him because of Jiu Jitsu and UFC and all that, and then he started getting more

into the intellectual and having professors on. I was like, oh, this is interesting, like a new turn for Joe Rogan. And then through kind of the Trump years, he started saying some things like, that sounds kind of MAGA, Joe, like you're starting to go a little MAGA. And then he had Trump on.

And I saw he was covering like the Shroud of Turin and he's had a couple of evangelical Protestants on. And I'm like, they aren't just showing up here accidentally, clearly. I mean, we both do podcasts and interview people. You kind of explore the space, like that person would be interesting, that would be interesting.

So he's clearly curating these guests and he's exploring it. So when I saw that, I was happy for him. I think he grew up Catholic and early on left it. I think that's his backstory. But I think it's a great trajectory and we're starting to see it with so many people, athletes, people in the public eye.

There is an end to degeneracy. You can only be so gay, so many genders, so- You can only be so gay, is that what you're saying? Yeah. You can only be so gay. Never go full gay, right? You can only go... There's only so many drugs and so many experiences and so many different varieties of partners.

You eventually come to the abyss of being, and you're like, is this all there is? There's a whole book of the Bible, Ecclesiastes. He says, I tried everything, food, women, everything, and everything's vanity of vanities. I found no meaning, I found no hope, I found no joy. And then he says, so what is the meaning of life? And he says, it's to fear the Lord. That's a transcendent leap, you know, you're removing yourself from what you are in the moment and what you desire in this moment, instant gratification, you're like, I'm gonna fear the Lord, I'm gonna live for something beyond. And what's great about Christianity is it's not just a transcendent deity like Allah, it's the Word became flesh

and dwelt amongst us, like Jesus Christ, the Son of God comes and lives amongst us. And we just had that horrible flood in Texas. I don't know if you saw that. Of course. Terrible. Oh my gosh, it's horrible. Oh my God. Absolutely.

The kids, the stories, the father breaking the arm and window and dying and telling the kids, you guys go, no, it's just devastating. It's horrific to even... And people have been asking me, you know, like, oh, you got a PhD in philosophy. How do you solve the problem of evil? You can't solve the problem of evil You read the book of Job God handles it and he's like you don't know you don't get to know But what we do have is we have the idea that the Son of God Became flesh he dwelt amongst us. He was ridiculed. He was persecuted. He was punched in the face They spat in his face as the Bible. They

put a crown of thorns on him, they whipped him to shreds, they made him carry the cross, they crucified him, they continue to laugh at him and mock at him. He experienced human suffering. He did not draw away from the human experiences, and he absorbed the evil of the world. And then he dies, and then he rises again on the third day, you'd expect like if it's a Hollywood movie He'd be like John Wick like Rambo just coming back like you bastards. Look what you did to me, but he says peace I forgive you come unto me the kingdom of God is at hand and The fact that Jesus Christ dwells among us you look at all these parents that grieving, you know

There's there's a couple they had two Catholic young girls, they died holding each other, holding their rosaries, just absolutely horrific. I was talking about it on my podcast yesterday, I was crying, I was like, if this happened to my daughters, I don't even know how to handle this. But there's no answer to it philosophically, but there is the reality that Jesus is in the valley of tears with us, he's crucified, and the fact that God is with us and came down to be with us provides consolation to it. We won't know till we get to heaven, but the fact that he did come down and he was with us and he suffered with us, no other religion has that. Nothing. It's our faith, and to me that's why I'm a Christian. That's why I love Jesus Christ.

That's why I believe in him. That is the story of all stories. Yeah, you know, it's beautiful when you're saying that because you just, I wrote down a bunch of different things to ask you a question on. On the process you go through, you know, for me, just living a selfish life, going through it, whether it's pre-army, army, bitter towards life and different people in your life, and what happened and the amount of people that let you down disappointed, and you just kind of feel on this victim, oh my God, poor me and all this other stuff. And you're like, relax buddy.

And then I go from that to certain incidents that happened. I've shared the stories, but what happened with my mother when she called me and a few other instances then I go and I meet a group in Paznas, Glendale. I do Bible study with these guys and a friend of mine, one of my friends ended up taking his own life after the Bible study because he was addicted to Vicodin. It's very tough. One of my favorite people in the world and It was very tough. One of my favorite people in the world. And we'd stay up from Friday six o'clock at night till two o'clock in the morning. And he was an expert in philosophy, Pastor Mano. And we would talk philosophy, Aristotle, Stoicism, all these, Seneca and what about this, and what about how he went from being a cynicism to Stoicism to, because

that's how the concept of cynicism came about. Like, oh my God, I'm enamored by this. And a couple years later, I become a Christian. January 21st of all, I give my life to Christ at this church in Port-au-Range, Shepard of the Hills. And I was the guy Saturday nights in Pasadena holding up signs, John 3, 16, Jesus is coming outside of nightclubs at 2 o'clock in the morning. No one in a million years, not many people know this story. But some of the guys that knew me from that era, like, what are you doing outside of nightclubs at two o'clock in the morning. No one in a million years, not many people know this story, but some of the guys that knew me from that era,

like what are you doing outside of the nightclub? Said, bro, this thing's changed my life, bro. Really, oh my God, like there's no way, we're gonna see you at the after hours, you ain't gonna see me anywhere. And then it was that shift, it was that shift. And the types of energies it brought into my life was so beautiful, but also tough. The accountability, the temptations increased.

Now that they knew what life I wanted to live, the number of people knocking on the door on birthday suits increased for whatever reason. It's like, hey, you're going to say no to this? Damn, get out, leave the house, right? You're 25, 26, 27, trying to go through this. But it wasn't easy, it was challenging. But the life I live today, I cannot believe the life I live today.

I feel like I'm the luckiest man alive for what God has given me. Truly, truly, so says to me. What would you say if you could go back and tell that young Pat and that moment? While he's already gone through it or he's going through it? No, the moment he had the conversion. What would you go back and tell yourself?

Because I'm sure at the moment you're like, am I really in on this? Is this for me? I almost wouldn't tell him anything. You wouldn't? Because you gotta go through it, bro. That's true. I'm gonna be like, no.

My son, I dropped him off at a certain university, Alan House in three weeks. He's at a certain university, Alan Austin, three weeks. He's at a university. He's going. First time ever, he's away from us for 13 days. And I wrote him this long text while he's going there, and very long text message. It's private. I'm not going to share it publicly because he wouldn't like me doing that.

But I wrote this message to him. I'm just kind of like, hey, daddy, this is what I want you to know. Here's what your dad is thinking about. I'm kind of going through it. And as I'm typing, retyping, typing, retyping, typing, retyping, typing, retyping, and I keep making it shorter. I keep making it shorter. I keep making it shorter.

And then eventually I send it out to him. And a part of what he's going through as a 13-year-old, he's got to go through it. You got to give 10, 20 percent and just make sure you have the right guardrails. This is the first time we've left the guardrails out. I was away from my dad for a year and a half from 10 to 12 years old when my parents got the ugly, the nasty divorce. I only talked to him one time in a year and a half from 10 to 12 years old when my parents got the ugly, the nasty divorce. I only talked to him one time in a year and a half and I was my, I grew the most at 18 months.

It was the scariest 18 months of my life. As a 10 year old, I left Iran, I don't speak German and I'm in a refugee camp, but I had to be like, hey, stop acting like you're going to be okay, but where is he? I need my dad. Like, you're kind of going through this and you don't like God at the time because of all the things that happen in Iran and you have to lose all your friends that you love. So I had to go through it. I think I would tell Patrick, you gotta go through it, bro.

It's gonna be some weird moments you're gonna have and you're gonna get tested and let's see how you handle it. Instead of saying, that one girl's gonna show up, don't do this. That one thing's gonna happen. It's gonna be like, let's see what you're going to do buddy. But the reality of it is, God's with you. You're not alone. So you're not going through this journey.

Whenever you feel fully lonely, get on your knees, pray and try to stay there as long as possible, as much as possible, as close to Him as possible. And then the bigger and bigger life God, I realized there's no way in the world I can do anything big by myself. Not me. Oh my God, look what you built, bro. Yeah, I work very hard. People who know me, they know I work very hard.

But the number of miracles that's happened, I can't take credit for that. It's a beautiful thing, I'm grateful for it, but I can't take credit for that. But the lifestyle of a degenerate for how long? What is new? You're not going to break Will Chamberlain's record. You know what I'm saying? You're just not, bro. The math doesn't add up, right?

You're not going to go be what Hugh Hefner. By the way, did you see why Hugh Hefner became a Playboy? Have you seen the video? Why he became a Playboy? I don't know why. Rob, have you seen why Hugh Hefner became a Playboy? Oh, seen the video? I don't know why. Rob, have you seen why Hugh Hefner became a playboy? Oh man, I saw this clip the other day. Watch this. I can't even believe I'm showing this with Doc. It's not even in my notes. Rob, I got to send you this clip because I don't

even think I'm... Well, but I'm going to tell you how amazing this story is going to be here when you see this. And you know what you're going to realize? You're going to see the pain. You're're gonna do it instantly First thing I saw is I said dude. I relate But watch this Rob you don't have that I have it right here and he explains it in such a I Found it here we go. Oh you gotta watch this how he went

from a guy that wanted to be a good man living a good life to all of a sudden playboy, womanizer, doing what he did. He tells a story to you exactly what happened. Watch this. I think a lot of young men today will relate to this. Can you make it a little bit bigger? Go for it. Press it from the beginning, refresh and find a way to get the

audio. There you go. Real quick so we can see. Go for it. Marriage. Virgin. In the sense that I slept with only one person before my life, the woman that I then married. Right after I was engaged, my wife-to-be had an affair and told me about it just a short time before the wedding. That in combination with the Puritan background had a dramatic impact on me. And I am absolutely certain that a part of what lay behind the establishment of Playboy was a

throwing off the chains of personal hurt and indignity and simultaneous with that, a quest for some better way. I went into my marriage. Wow. Have you ever heard this before? I've never heard that before. I just heard this last week. That surprised me. Does it surprise me? Rob, Have you ever heard this before? I've never heard that before. I just heard this last week.

I never knew about this. Rob, have you ever heard this before? What's your impression when you hear this? How do you process this? It doesn't surprise me. I think a lot of young men, especially nowadays, just with the whole OnlyFans culture and all the promiscuity,

I think a lot of them are very jaded. And you kind of see them sort of spin off into sort of very right-wing Ideology or you see them just go all in on hedonism I think it's a pretty natural young man response wouldn't you say I think so as well and and you look I've had Andrew Tate on many times and he and I spoke today and We have a very interesting relationship together. We live complete different lives.

It's not the same lives at all. But we get along and we can have the conversations and I enjoy talking to him every time. And I know a lot of people get upset when I say this, but I enjoy it. Every time I ask him a question about a girl that broke his heart and publicly humiliated him and maybe went and hooked up with another guy that you were so embarrassed, like for the rest of my life I will never ever allow another woman to break my heart like this again. Typically men who go this extreme, it's either their mother that hurt them in a way that's very weird. And it's either they're a woman, they followed everything by the book.

I'm gonna save myself for this, and I'm gonna do this. And then all of a sudden, bam, it's like dude, I am never allowing another woman to have this kind of da-da-da-da, and I'm gone, right? What's more painful than something like this? So as men are going through different challenges and different pain, the process is going to be very difficult. But this is why you need God in your life.

Because you know what's one of the first things that Pastor Mano told it? 2003, 22 years ago. You know, I'm like, listen, I've gone to church and this, this, and that, and there's all these people that are this, and pastors that I saw on stage, and they're hooking up with one of the members and that, and I saw this, that's why I didn't want to be affiliated with a church. He says, look, if you ever judge your relationship with God horizontally, you'll always be disappointed. If it's vertical, you won't be disappointed. If it's horizontal, you'll always be disappointed. And sinners, what's he talking about?

If it's based on other human beings and how they're going to treat you, you will always be disappointed because you're disappointing other people. We're sinners. I don't mean you, I mean you as in us, human beings, right? Me included. Yeah, all of us. So I sat there, I don't mean you, I mean you as in us, human beings, me included, yeah, all of us. So I sat there, I said, all right, cool. Well, I'm gonna try to do my best to see if I can keep this relationship vertically going so you can minimize the amount of disappointments, even though it's gonna happen, because we're human beings. It's gonna happen. It's gonna happen. And part of it is,

it's, you know, Jesus says, take up your cross daily. There's a daily element to it. It's not a one and done. I know some people try to present it that way theologically, but there is, just like a marriage or a friendship or a business, there is a constant return and a building upon it. And that's how you have to be with Christ. It's, He waits for you every morning. And His mercies are new every day, and's new challenges new struggles new pains new successes new joys It has to be dynamic like that. Yeah, I I love it and and you know, I I also understand young men That hopefully young men will see this and they kind of go through it. They're like, oh dude What was it by the way, you know if you're a young man watching this and you want a couple recommendations on stuff to read, I'll give you three book

recommendations for young men. Ready? First one's going to be Samson Syndrome. I read this 15 years ago. Mark Atterberry, I don't know what his name is. Is that what it is, Rob? I still remember. Okay, good. Samson Syndrome. Go read it. Okay? What you can learn from the baddest boy in the Bible. Good luck putting this book down. Okay? Mark Atterberry. Second book I would recommend is King, Lover, Warrior, Magician. It's a very different book and it's not a book that

It actually explains the pains young boys. I don't know if you've read this one or not. It's familiar with the archetypes Yeah, yeah archetypes some of the stuff is controversial So the guy read it yesterday on my neck to so responds back to me He says you sure you want me to read this book because I'm at a section that kind of contradicts what you're saying I said no book you're gonna read that's gonna be a hundred percent So you have to be able to manage the contradictions in a book. But I think those two books, and the last one I would say is No More Mr. Nice Guy. I think too many men have spent too much time with their mothers and they become too soft and you need to kind of man up. And I even

had the guy on the podcast many, many years ago, very interesting conversation, this guy. It's not a faith-based book. Samson's's not a faith-based book, but I think the Samson syndrome is a faith-based book. But if a man is going through it and they relate to this, you know, Hugh Hefner guy that was a big figure in today being Andrew Tate's, then you got to go through your transition because that life, living that life is very tough and lonely and like this, it's gone. Can I recommend one? Sure. I think every young man should read the book of Proverbs in the Bible. It's 31 chapters,

you read one chapter a day. It's like God set it up for a monthly read. And the book of Proverbs talks about sluts and whores and debt and business and bad deals and contracts and marriage. I mean, everything that a guy 15 to 30 is dealing with, it's over and over in the book of Proverbs. And it's amazing that people have, guys haven't read, men and women, but guys, especially young men, 31 days read the book of Proverbs, it's going to change your life. It truly will. It truly will change your life. By the way, transitioning to, because you're a PhD philosophy, right? So stoicism. First time, you know, when some of these things

had an influence on my life, stoicism was one of them. When I read Marcus Aurelius' Meditations, I had my sons read Meditations, a phenomenal book, you know, out of all the writings everything, the only thing they could find is meditations because they burned the stuff. I don't know what happened with the history of it. And I got really connected with stoicism. Who wrote? Epictetus. Epictetus, right. And can you tell me, one, the history of how Stoicism came about, and then your opinion on Stoicism for young men?

Yeah, so the history, kind of a philosophy, Greek philosophy, you've got Socrates, right? He's the number one, and then his disciple, Plato, and then Aristotle. So those are your three, and Aristotle, disciple of Alexander the Great, the great, you know, king, emperor. So that kind of sets you up sort of what's going on. Socrates and Plato are a little bit more emphasized on the forms and the heavenly realities. Aristotle's a little bit more on the integration of form and matter down here. That's all great. So there was Zeno and the Stoic philosophers. They're named after the Stoa, which is an architectural feature in Athens, so they're

named after basically where they met, right? And they presented, they actually saw themselves as an integration of Plato and Aristotle. They're kind of a synthesis, the Stoics and the Stoics, I mean, kind of the, the one-on-one version is, um, emotions and passions are dangerous. And so you must still your soul by denying your emotions and your passions. And so, uh, practice that Stoics would, would perform

is they'd go 30 days eating the basest bread and the worst wine. And they would say to themselves every day, is this what you fear, Pat? Cheap wine, stale bread? Is this what you fear? It's not that bad. Kind of just to get it out of you.

And sometimes they would just say, what's the worst possible thing you could happen to you and just spend 30 minutes just driving down that lane and just getting freaked out. And that's the still, and I think it appeals to the masculine man because it is the ultimate pre-Christian philosophy of don't live by your emotions,

don't follow the girl in the red dress, you know, don't trade today for tomorrow. Like you need to be any set and in Stoicism says happiness is in virtue and in stillness of the soul. Let me repeat that virtue doing the right thing. And a virtue is a habit towards the good. So if I just help some help an old lady once, that's a good deed. If I help old ladies every single day for a year, that's a habit called a virtue. And if you do bad things every day, like look at porn every day, a habit that's

bad is called a vice, a virtue and vice. They say you will be happy. And Aristotle, and Plato teaches this, they're not even Christian. They're not going to Bible studies. You will be happy. You will find joy. You will find fulfillment in living the virtuous life. These are ancient Greek philosophers. And so I think a lot of young men, they read that, and it's, you know, especially if you're raised like Southern Baptist or something, you're like, I don't want to hear a preacher, and they go and they read Marcus Aurelius or some of these ancient Greek philosophers. Aurelius was a Roman emperor, but before him, the Greek philosophers, they're like, oh, this makes sense.

I want this. I like this, right? And then often what happens, Pat, is those same guys then later on are like, yeah, but I need Christ in it too. I need Christ on the cross. That's kind of in a way the ultimate stoic moment. I think that's such a great combination though, bro. It is.

What a great combination. If you can find a way, and I think if you can find a way to balance the two, you know, the philosophy of stoicism, help me a better man, friend, father, businessman." The fear of God, and let me tell you, my level of fear for Him is ridiculous. Most people are like, what do you mean by that? I say, yeah, I wish you know how scared I am. That is a place where my energy changes very quickly because what He's given me, I'm grateful and the fear is there

I'll never forget that energy when he came in that combination for man I think it's very powerful and it's trusting it's capable. It's upside woman probably wants a Husband like that feels protected by that kids want to follow a man like that makes you into an oak Where you're rooted and and women are attracted to that. That's another thing. I think a lot of young guys out there, they don't understand what women are attracted to.

I think the book No More Mr. Nice Guy taps into that a little bit. Just listening to what women say they want in the public sphere and then conforming to that to be the nice guy, they realize they lose every time, it doesn't work. Well, women want that, they wanna be brought onto an adventure. They want a man who's stoic.

I mean, just look at all the great heroes in the movies that women are attracted to, James Bond, so on and so forth. They're about to get killed, but they make a joke of it. And they're courageous and they live on the edge. And that's how we should be living as men. If you're not afraid, if there's something that you're doing that's, you're just completely at ease

all the time and you're not pushing it, and you're like, how am I gonna overcome this? Are you even living? You're not, you're not. And I think stoicism is what helps you go from A to B to C, or maybe towards the end of your life, you're at X, Y, and Z, and you're like, man, this is intense.

I don't wanna retire and just go limp. I wanna hopefully go out with my boots on. Yeah, and first of all, I gotta hold this whole concept. I was like, man, this, by the way, who is this Rob? Do you know who that person is? Who is the person that's speaking? I don't, I'll take a look and see. First see who it is before I play the clip.

So I'm actually curious to know what his background is and what he does before I play the clip to see his thoughts. Because he talks about marriage and women and his answer is very weird. You may or may not agree with it. I just kinda wanna want to explain. Is he a pastor? Is he anything related to faith or what was his job? Play the clip. See if you agree with this.

I'm just curious to know what you say about this. Very interesting what he says. Go ahead. I was saying that a father represents God, but what does a mother represent? The devil. Never forget that. I don't know if I agree, but listen to what he says. Listen.

Adam listened to his wife. He harkened to the voice of his wife. Remember that. And remember it well. Never listen to a woman. You listen to her, but don't follow her. You know, women always support the ambitions of men. They always support that fallen rebellious nature which is ambitious and men always working

for the approval of that woman, for the love of that woman and the approval of that woman only makes him more ambitious and more ambitious and more ambitious. His whole life revolves around the reassurance that ambition and pride is the way of being. See? That's the whole thing. If you're careful in your life, men revolve around the support of the ambitious nature. They've eaten the fruit of pride. Instead of working hard by the work of their hands, they become more and more ambitious and spend their money more foolishly you have to pay more and more and more money to hold on to her love see another what's that love for his first reply you were saying anything about this I think there's some insights in there I would

disagree that the mother is the devil I think he's being funny there yeah he really means that I don't think he really means that. I don't know the guy. I've never met him. He's setting up a rhetorical point. I never knew who he was until right now. I just saw this clip. But he's setting it up.

Yeah, he is. But go ahead, I'm listening. He's setting it up. I tell you what, I'm 47. Genesis three is way deeper than I thought it was about 20 years ago. Genesis chapter three, the fall of Adam and Eve is so profound philosophically Theologically, there's so much there and I think a lot of what he's talking about. There is right is

What you see in the story of the fall of Adam and Eve is and I believe that's a true story I blew up the real story is The man conforming to the request of the woman. It's original sin. It's a disordered understanding of reality as God established it. And every time you go against the natural order that God established it, not only is it sin,

it brings disaster into the world. And I think that that covers a lot of stuff that we've talked about today. And I think we do live in a gynocentric culture. I think we, feminism is the predominant worldview in relationships and even in the way children are raised. But I've noticed, you know, I would say six years ago, if I was on my podcast and I said, feminism is the worst thing ever, people will be like, Whoa, even conservatives, Fox news types, Christians

will be like, no, no, there's some good things. The Overton window has shifted on feminism. You go on X, you go on, there are women that are just like screw feminism, screw me over. And you see these 20 year old girls, like, I can't believe my mom taught me this. This is not what I want. And there is an active rebellion by men and women against feminism. But I think we need to understand it in the context of what did God define matrimony as? What did he define man? What did he define woman as? All of that stuff needs to be defined according to Genesis chapter 3. And he's pointing at, look, if you want to understand

brokenness in families, you go back to Genesis chapter 3, because everything is getting reversed and overturned in that small little chapter in the Bible, and there's a lot of insight there. Did you see Candice's conversation with the other girl on feminism? I think this was... Was it Ali Beth Stuckey, maybe? I don't know what the girl's name is. She's got these... Rob, I'm going to send this.

It's so funny you're talking about feminism. I really like the way Candice broke this specific topic down. Rob, I just send it to you. So she's asking about the CIA funding the feminist movement, where the story comes from. I don't know if you've seen that one or not. And why that became popular. And the girl's trying to debate it and argue it, and she makes a very, she says, to be happy.

Play this clip, Rob. It's worthy of us watching it. She makes a very good argument here. Kind of funny because as someone who's anti-feminism, you practice it more than most women do. I mean, every time you get on your podcast, every time you collect a check, you're practicing feminism. Okay, that's what you think.

No, that's what it is. Actually, without feminism, you wouldn't be able to exist. People keep saying, I hate when people say that, but it just shows that you, you haven't done the research to even understand where the fact where you don't know history, which was discovered. That's what I'm saying about you because it means that you don't understand that a bunch of government officials in the CIA funded the feminist movement. So for all of your hatred for the patriarchy and speaking about men.

So my question is, is it bad that they funded it or bad that it just happened? Men wanted women to go into the workforce. The government, which had a lot of men, it was being run by men. Are you talking about because World War II occurred and we had to go to factories and then when we left the factories, they forced us back into the homes? Let her speak. That's not what I'm saying at all. So let me tell you what I'm saying and then you can respond to it.

Gloria Steinem is considered to be a feminist icon, right? Because she led these protests. She also had a bunch of music festivals. She got students involved. It is just a fact that Gloria Steinem was funded by the CIA. The CIA being the male dominated CIA of the 50s and the 60s funded those movements. So what do you think was the explicit aim?

Do you think it was because the government really wanted you to be more free that they wanted to encourage women to enter the workforce? Well, I have to be honest with you, I couldn't speak on behalf of the government. You know what I mean? And what their intention was with that? Well, I think it's important

because you just said that I don't know history and I think it's pretty important if you're gonna sit across from me and say, I don't know history, that you learn a piece of history and then question as- You keep bringing up men and I think it's funny because we should talk about men more. Like you brought up suicide,

they're four times more likely to kill themselves. Which is why I didn't mean- And while women, we're twice as more often on anti-depressants, but that's because we go out and do what we need to do to keep coping. Because we're not happy. And we need to focus on men and the patriarchy because it's actually oppressed them just as much as women now

emotionally, right? Because when we're kids, our parents teach us how to cross the street. Look both ways so you can get the other side unharmed. When a boy comes across a feeling, and I'm using men and boys here because they're the ones suffering, women are too, but emotionally. When they come across a feeling they haven't felt before,

we have to teach them how to get to the other side and cope with it. Otherwise, they stay where they are. That anger and resentment builds. That's the feeling they become most comfortable with. That's the feeling they go to first in most situations. So we need to stop telling our boys that they don't cry because they do. They just do it alone and then they become even more alone. What do you think about that exchange? Wow. I mean, Candace nailed it.

For totally. Yeah. And also people are starting to discover that Karl Marx talks about how women have to be liberated from the home and women need to be in the workplace. This is Karl Marx. This is socialism. This is part of the new secular religion. And feminism was never intended to make the world a better place. It's creating

a different class warfare within the home. Yeah, but the reality of it is, you know, what are you solving for? You know, what are you solving for? Are you solving for being fulfilled? Are you solving for being independent? Are you solving to be happy? Are you solving to, what are you solving for? If the solving is to make you equal to men, you're never gonna win because we're never gonna win. We can't have kids. We're never gonna be equal to you.

We can't have kids. You're never gonna be equal to us. There's certain jobs you're just not willing to do. Period. A guy while this flooding happened in Texas, did you hear about this guy named Scott who to be equal to us, there's certain jobs, you're just not willing to do, period. A guy while this flooding happened in Texas, did you hear about this guy named Scott, who went and saved 160, 56. We should be rewarding this guy.

Seriously, when you hear the story about what he did, and the clips about this guy, this guy's a rock star. How many women are we expecting to do that? We don't expect the women to go, they're not saying some can't do it, but a man is putting his life on the line to save other people's lives. That's a man's job. We are assigned to do that. Yeah, I was in the military, we had a lot of females, you know, but what are you solving for? Fulfillment. Are you fulfilled? Is the product solid? Are men as fulfilled as they were before? Is their value being shown?

It's not hard to look at the data and see How our men feel today and how our women feel today Especially some of them that signed up to this concept 40 years ago 50 years ago 60 years ago You know you hear these stories and you're sitting there saying these guys are not happy on what they're going through And look at the results if the result is 1.6 birthrate 1.2 point a point seven down to zero That's not a sustainable philosophy. It's not a sustainable way of doing human life. It has to be rejected Yeah, no again. I'm optimistic of where it's going because I think guys like you are talking about it You know, we're talking about Joe Rogan earlier

I think The great thing about podcast is We still have an experience like imagine if a These mr. Beast god gets ahold of him. What does that look like? Yeah, imagine if a joe rogan all of a sudden he starts You know when somebody starts speaking a language of, you know, it's a different language, you use certain words in a different way,

your pro changes, what is that gonna look like? Like you know, everybody on the left is like, we need to find the Joe Rogan of the left. Did it, if these big podcasts, most of them are conservative, if all of a sudden they start really, guys like you are popping up, Wes Huff and all these other guys you guys are doing

A phenomenal job or Candice just there well no Candice is yeah, but Candice is a she's a top five podcast I'm saying all of these others that are coming up the different roles that they're playing You know That that's gonna be a very interesting thing long term my level of optimism is very high. Question for you, you're a well-read guy, you like philosophies. What part of Prophet Muhammad wasn't attractive to you to become a Muslim? I don't know, marrying a little girl.

Kind of the top of the list for me. But it has to be at least nine years old though. Did you see that clip on the Daily Mail story? I know. So you reacted to it. Yeah. Can you pull up that story? Mary at six but you can't consummate till she's nine because Muhammad, this is not a real religion. I mean if I told you hey I got this religion and you just get to have sex with virgins for eternity, you want to sign up, I'd be like I don't know if this is a real religion, you know. How did it get so big though? I know.

How did it get so big? It's a, I don't know, it's a mystery. Two billion people. Huge. How did it get so big when they say, this is the story we're referencing you brought up, Afghan man, 45 years old, marries girl, age six, before Taliban intervene and say,

he must wait until she's 9. Go a little bit lower Rob, the haunting photo of an older man and a little girl standing horrified next to the time the youngster had allegedly been exchanged by her father for money for a man who already has two wives. It was reported by AMU.TV, go a little bit lower Rob. The marriage was allegedly set up to take place on Friday in Helmwood province but the taliban stepped in to arrest both men involved No charges were brought against them, but they were forced to creep to

Forced the creep to wait until the girl is nine years old for him to take her home UN woman reported last year That's been 25 percent rise in child marriages in Afghanistan After the Taliban banned girls education in 2021 They also said that there's been a 45 percent increase in childbearing across the country in the same year As the taliban came to power after the u.s heavily exited the night watch go a little bit lower. This is the picture rob That's the that's the six-year-old kid disgusting. I mean When they say muhammad when he had I think her name was aisha. She still had her dolls with her When he married her.

How is this a real religion? You know, it's just, we just talked about all these beautiful things about Christ and Him coming and suffering and His humility and His passion, all these things. It's a beautiful story. It's very compelling. And then you see Mohammed as a warrior and then he's you know there's even the story if he once tried to commit suicide and he marries this you know, he's a polygamist and you know Marries this girl and I'm just thinking how I don't understand how you would think that this is

the true religion, but That's where I'm at I just I don't understand why people and, and Muslims come after me all the time online because I talk about Islam, not ashamed to talk about it. And I just come back to, well, let's look at the founder of your religion. He's either really a prophet or he's not a prophet. I don't, he didn't do any miracles.

He just seemed to live a bad life. I'm saying not a prophet. Two billion people. I know. How does that happen? How does that happen? You know, you go to a company, you use a product that's bad.

Eventually people figure out the product doesn't work. Keeps breaking. You buy a toy, keeps breaking, keeps breaking. I'm like, I'm not gonna buy this thing. I'm gonna go buy this other company. What has attracted this product to grow that the way that it has? It might be better than the product they had before.

That's the only thing that. What did they have before? Animism, paganism, you know. So the alternative, this seemed more peaceful than that. You think it's that simple? Peaceful, maybe just more true than, you know, worshiping an idol or an animistic ancient religion. And also, Islam, when it comes to a region, does bring a certain societal stability. I think Muslims in 2025, when we were talking earlier about Christians need to think about politics and culture and

society theologically, I think Islam in 2025 does do that much more than the average Christian does. And so I think, you know, when Muslims come to a region, the people might see a certain lift in culture. We may look at that and be like, I don't want that. But maybe if you grew up in Somalia, you're like, that is a benefit. I'll take it. I don't know. What do you think? Why do I think to two billion?

Why do they still have strong sales 1,400 years later? I think fear is a very powerful tool I think Everybody wants to believe in something and the moment something catches and has momentum The amount of people that want to validate the credibility of whatever it is, it decreases. It's just whatever the surface level story is, that's enough for me to get involved instead of me having to fully go deeper. Now the argument could be Muslims pray more often than others.

You know, the amount of times they pray, the level of discipline, how much tougher it is. You know, but then you go look at the Jesuits on how they were, the amount of discipline, how much tougher it is, but then you go look at the Jesuits on how they were, the amount of universities in America that are Jesuits, I mean, the list is massive. And if you go, there's a book I read many years ago called Jesuit Leadership, and how they used to, you were talking about earlier that for stoicism, 30 days ago, drink the worst wine and worst bread,

and hey, is it that bad, is it that bad? Jesuits were famous for doing a lot of that back in the days to kind of get you to be stronger. stoicism, 30 days ago, drink the worst wine and worst bread, and hey, is it that bad? Is it that bad? Jesuits were famous for doing a lot of that back in the days to kind of get you to be stronger. These are some of the Jesuit schools we have in America. Boston College, College of the Holy Cross, Creighton, Fairfield, Fordham, Georgia, Gonzaga, Loyola, Merrimont. I mean, you got a list of them.

Marquette, yeah, you got a lot of them, right? St. Joseph. So, you know, and they're known for their level of discipline. That's the pride of you know, how disciplined they are. I Don't know I think The targeting and when it was and where it was The fact that it continues You know, and it's not like they're converting a lot of people. Their game isn't conversion, it's internal.

You know, it's the level of growth with family and how women, they can't say much. You have to be fully to what man says. But systematically they've grown exponentially. They're not slowing down. Their birth rates are good. It's dropped down a lot. It used to be 4.5. You know, it's interesting the The Sunni Muslims, which is the bigger Muslim group not that well, you know, she I tell

They say that you can practice abortion and contraception up to I think the first trimester So that's kind of a big deal Christians historically have been opposed to that certainly, certainly abortion in all trimesters, then historically opposed to contraception. So I wonder as Western medicine hits these regions, how long will it take for contraception and maybe even abortion to drop those numbers? Because remember, a lot of these Muslim nations are still in third world status. We'll see. We will see. Last question before we wrap up. You're seeing the last three years what happened with the rise of Israel, Hamas, the controversy

back and forth. Now there's concepts they're using as the woke right, you know, Israel, AIPAC, all of that. Charlie Kirk comments about loyalty Christians have to the church, Israel. No, that's not true. That's nowhere it says that. And it's where are you at? Because you come from a background of? You know PhD in philosophy, okay then you know of a scalpel priest then pre you know Catholic last you said 20 years. It's been almost 2005. I think or 2006 is 2006 years. Yeah, so What is your position with this sensitive topic that some say divided a bit of the Republican Party and got a lot of Democrats to leave the Democratic Party, become independents and

Republicans? Yeah. It's a complicated topic and I've weighed into it pretty heavily. I follow the historic, traditional Catholic teaching, which is Christ came preaching the kingdom of heaven. He came first to his own, the Jewish people, and many of them followed him. Peter, John, Paul, Stephen, these are all early, the Blessed Virgin Mary, St. Joseph. But for the most part, he was rejected. In St. Paul in Romans chapter 9, he says to

the Gentiles, the non-Jewish Christians, he says, look, don't brag that you're part of God's people now, God's kingdom, and don't be dismissive towards the Jewish people because they're part of the original vine, you know, and because they were broken off and you were grafted in, in a way, unnaturally, and you're there. You can't broken off and you were grafted in, in a way, unnaturally, you're there. You can't just mock and belittle the branches that were broken off, you know, be humble, you know, have faith. I think that's the right, the right attitude. I don't think Christians should belittle or mock Jewish people that don't believe in Jesus Christ, but I think it is very clear that

Christ came preaching the kingdom of heaven kingdom of God Calling people into the kingdom and there's one kingdom of God. There's not two or three There's one and that I believe that Christians are the chosen people Those who are faithful to the new covenant of Jesus Christ We belong to the bride of Christ the mystical body of Christ the And people say, oh, that's anti-Semitic, and you're right. But if Jesus is the Messiah, and He is the King of the Jews, and He said He was, then that is the final and expressed will of God the Father for the world. And we need to help, you know, our Jewish, I think, family and friends to come in to know and love serve Jesus Christ.

I think that's the way to go. So the idea that Ted Cruz puts forth and a lot of these dispensationalists and a lot of people in MAGA that like, Israel, Israel, Israel, the Bible says we must give missiles to Israel, we must fund these wars. What book is that in the Bible? Well they claim Genesis, but if you look it up, God says to Abraham, those who bless you I will bless, and those who curse you I will curse. And in Galatians, St. Paul says, those who are in Jesus Christ are the children of Abraham in the heirs of the promises.

So the apostle Paul in the New Testament says, if you believe in Jesus, you are the child of Abraham and the heir of his promises. So that tells me that Christians, although we are grafted in, we are part of the people of God. We are, you could call, the new Israel. And so I don't... The idea... It's called dispensationalism. It's technically a Christian heresy. It's the idea that God has two peoples. He has plan A for Jews, plan A for Bs. There's Israel, there's the church, and God doesn't really mix those together. And it's more and more the role of the church

to help financially and militarily support Israel. That's a new doctrine. It was invented by a guy named Darby in the 1800s. It was popularized in the early 1900s by the Schofield Bible. Schofield was not a good man. He left his wife. He was a drunk. He Forged checks. He was a bad guy. He may have been funded by shady people so this whole theology comes from kind of a dark place and I think it's leading us as Americans and with policy being put banking on this theology

I think it's very dangerous. People need to check it out. They need to figure out where this comes from. How do you do that? How do you do that? How do you get the two sides? Because it's not pretty. It's not pretty. This little division allows the devil to get in, and that's exactly where he likes it. He likes seeing a place like this, right? The division that's taking place. And it's not like it's a friendly debate. There's true animosity on the two opposing sides.

How do you unify? How do you get both sides to work together or just simply unify them? How do you do that? You can't, you can't. I mean, we have to be honest, sometimes when you're in business, there's not, there is not a unifying solution. The claims of Israel in 2025, there is no compromise

position with their claim. So that leads us to a division, you know, and I don't know where that goes, but you know, we I don't know where that goes. But, you know, we've been talking about this two-state problem for decades, and we'll probably be talking about it for decades to come because I think the Israeli position is they're not going to budge. This is their belief, this is their constitution, this is what they want. So I don't know how you unify with that.

What do you think, is there a way? I thought you were capable, man. I brought a guy here that's, you know, PhD and all this stuff and we're gonna find a way to solve this issue. That was the outcome of today's podcast, you and I together. I guess we got work to do, buddy.

Both of us, we got work to do, buddy, both of us. We got work to do. But really enjoyed meeting you, pleasure having you on, truly enjoyed it. Such an honor to be on PBD, this is a great podcast. Like I said, my wife's a huge fan, day one, and I've been listening, it's kind of surreal being here with you.

I did get you a gift, this is a rosary. I know you're not Catholic, but this was blessed by the Pope when I was in Rome. I love it, thank you, I appreciate it. And here blessed by the Pope. Oh, I love it. Thank you I appreciate it and I got and here's a copy of my book. Yes for you Christian Patriot. You're the man I I appreciate this the 12 ways to create one nation under God Christian Patriot folks go place the order It's coming out September 2nd. Yep, be a pre or and by the way pre order the forward Harrison butler you want to talk about that Harrison Buckers? I mean, he's a. Have you ever had him on? No I've never had him on he's a total stud.

Remember he got in trouble because he gave that speech about women. Family. Family and all that so he wrote like a banger forward to this book and Harrison's a friend of mine and just a great father great man of God good Catholic guy and yeah so he wrote the forward it, and it's excellent. How many kids does he have? Tell me he's got like 20 kids. Can you pull up how many kids he's got? Let's see this.

Three, maybe pregnant with four. How many kids you got, bud? Come on, tell us. Personal life, he's got three kids? Three children. Maybe you lead. Right here. Yeah.

Butcher is a devout, traditionalist Catholic. Like you, so he's gonna go to eight.'s got to he knows he's gonna pass me he's a pretty competitive guy brother was great having you on man thank you and hopefully one of these days I'll get a chance as a joy then my silly my wife showing my wife's Jennifer hopefully one of these days for we'll get the wives to meet each other take care buddy God bless bye bye bye bye hey I'm dr. Taylor Marshall and I run a podcast and write books on philosophy, theology, Catholicism. My wife and I have eight children so if you'd like to

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