PBD Podcast - The Creator Of Entourage Doug Ellin | PBD Podcast | Ep. 199

Episode Date: October 29, 2022

In this episode, Patrick Bet-David is joined by the creator of Entourage Doug Elin & Adam Sosnick. Douglas Reed Ellin (born April 6, 1968) is an American podcaster, screenwriter and film and TV director, known best for creating the HBO television series Entourage. PBD Podcast Episode 199.  . . . FaceTime or Ask Patrick any questions on https://minnect.com/ Want to get clear on your next 5 business moves? https://valuetainment.com/academy/ Check out Doug Ellin's podcast "Ramble On": https://apple.co/3U0yQZc Check out Doug's podcast "Victory the Podcast": https://apple.co/3Ua0MtT Join the channel to get exclusive access to perks: https://bit.ly/3Q9rSQL Download the podcasts on all your favorite platforms https://bit.ly/3sFAW4N . Text: PODCAST to 310.340.1132 to get added to the distribution list Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal bestseller Your Next Five Moves (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

I know this life man for me. Yeah, why would you plan on Goliath when we got that David? Now you came in giving values to the ages this world of entrepreneurs. We can't no value that hate and I need run homie. Look what I've become. I'm the one.

Pickleball. That's the best of the tolerance. It brought you talking about it. So anyways, today's guest, special guest, if you ever watched Onterrige, my dad and I that say, we watched Laker games together, we watched Onterrige together, and it was mandatory. And the man who created Onterrige is on the podcast today, Doug Ellen. Doug, thanks for being on the podcast. Thanks for having me. Yes. So we were, we were talking about a bunch of different stuff. There's breaking news, Tyler's about to tell us something happened

on Nancy Pelosi's husband. We're going to talk about Elon Musk taking over Twitter. We're going to talk about conditions of Hollywood, LA, California, your thoughts on Kanye. A lot of stuff is going on back to back to back. Lots happened. Yes. And last night you said you had a a long day at a

Profish semi pro pickleball tournament. Yeah, I mean this is real deal. I mean Danny Wurfel has this charity Desire Street Ministries and he put together this event which is incredible Kevin Anderson who's top five ATP tennis toward the last five years. Of course everyone knows pickleball legend. No,ert, right? He's a from when Gina was playing for Miami. Yeah. Danny's a little bit younger. What year did he, did he play late 90s or 2000s? I would say mid 90s. Yeah. Yeah, it's late 90s.

You know, the same era. Yeah, Danny, you know, it's probably top five NCAA quarterbacks of all time. And so it was, it was a, it was a program, but it was serious come Rick Barry, Hall of Fame NBA player, you know, I think he's got a higher shooting percentage from the Fallon and stuff. Carried like this. Yeah, he did the underhead shooting, but anyway, both his son produced great shooters.

He produced one of them wanted dunk contest. You know, the friend, Baron, you know, dunking it, I think from a free throw line. Yeah, yeah, It's a big, big, little race. He stepped over, look at all that. He's also the only guy to ever win a NBA dunk contest in the warmups. He didn't take, it wasn't in a jersey. Yeah, that's right.

White boy dunked from the free throw line warmups. And by the way, I know everyone's a laugh at Pickable, but trust me, the world is changing. I've been promoting this for five years. And now it's really coming to pass. And real athletes are getting involved professional tennis players. So it's pretty cool. So patched by a team. 100%. I mean, what did it go for? What's it? It's a million bucks right now, but they're not like offering up a, you know, 20 of them. And hopefully we'll, I'm trying to get involved. So hopefully, uh, professionally, you can buy one for a million

bucks. Yeah. I mean, the professionally started like a month ago. This thing is all exploded. The bronze got one. Tom Brady's got one. Yeah. I'm trying to get one. We'll see. Come on.

You could do it. We'll see. Maybe the penthouse goes today of camera. Yes. Million bucks. By the way, last night. Other than going to lunch, you guys, we have to preface what happened. Oh, Jesus.

Because you're saying pickleball. Last night we had Antonio Browne here sitting in yourface what happened. Oh Jesus because you're saying pickle but last night we had Antonio Brown here sitting in your chair Right there. Oh, and we were there for three hours and it was I Want to say shit the most I don't even know how to describe what if I'm saying awkward heated. Yeah, like at any point something could have happened It was intense At any point, something could have happened. It was intense, constant until the last 45 minutes. For sure.

And we talked everything. We talked. Enjoyable. You have to see it. It was a, the climax was good. The ending was great because we got to, we just got to talking. And it was eventually fine.

But at first it was extremely intense. What was the tipping point of crazy? It's turning off. It's just taking the headset down. We'll say, we'll stop this thing right now. I got up, got some water. We started just, you know, talking about. So it was a real podcast. Yeah, it was dope.

Yeah, but it had to get there because it was, it was, but I will tell you this, the audience when they see the podcast, they're not, they're gonna be glued to the screen. See what was going on 100%. I think you're gonna be, no, no, no, they're going to be glued to the screen. See what was going on 100% you're going to be, no, no, you're going to be so confused. Yeah. You know, you guys got higher budgets than we got because we got a call right when he started acting crazy and said, do you want Antonio Brown on your podcast?

Yeah. And we said, all right, we need a bag. And I was like a bag and they're like a cash. And I said, how much cash do I, they They wanted 20 grand for them to come on the podcast. They'll be on the podcast. Yeah. And they might have done less for you. You have a bigger audience.

Yeah. Was it security? By the way, that is becoming a business model. The part about the nowadays, people are calling saying, hey, will you be on my podcast for 10 grand? Will you be on my podcast for 20 grand? Will you be on, people are now paying to get podcasts. And the bigger you guess, you got to pay more for to have you on your podcast. It's becoming a business

model. But yeah, he's an interesting guy. I'll say this about Antonio Brad got real awkward. I mean, you've done, I even said I go, because at one point he's like, you don't know where I'm from. No, we're like Antonio. Listen, with all the respect, I've sat down with killers, mafia guys. Okay? The biggest politician in the world, UFC fighters that kill for a living, like, Marine CIA, with all due respect, like, just gonna kinda g-check you for it. It's like, I get it, you're a football player, but like... You know what? It seems like, you know, they're talking about all the head injuries in the NFL, and it seems right now we're seeing a lot of them go crazy.

Oh, so, and I don't makes fun of them because it's sad. That's where the fire, it's in one minute, just because of that, 30 minutes of arguing over that comment right there. The word CTE came up, he brought it up before us. Very sad. And then it just, you know what I'm sure, I'm sure it's a sensitive issue for them.

They don't even realize what's happening. Exactly. And you know, with mental illness awareness right now, obviously you can't excuse his behavior still, but it's it's said. What do you think what's going on with, because you know, he's still the president of Donda Academy. Yeah. Antonio Brown is the president of Donda. Yeah, that's a. Which is cool. I want to send my kids.

I definitely want to get them. What do you think what's going on with Kanye? He's set a lot of different things, but why was this the tipping point? What do you think about what's going on with them? Well, you know what? I mean, again, getting into mental illness, I don't excuse behavior for mental illness. And I also, I'm a Jew, but as a Jew, I don't wanna make this only about Jews because I think this country is becoming so polarized with everything. And anytime someone speaks like this, everybody should speak up, whether it's about Muslims,

whether it's about police officers, it's all the same stuff. And so what do I think is going on with Kanye? I think he's having some type of bipolar episode, but who gives a shit? It's like, you know, he's, he, and again, you know, somehow this became a free speech issue. Speak all you want and everybody else should speak all.

So when I should have the right to not buy your fucking crappy sneakers and do whatever else, but, you know, it's sad to see because what happens is, and I see it, I have a lot of friends who are police officers in LA and there's real world consequences to this stuff. Kids get threatened at schools, and some guy walking down the street gets punched in the face,

and Nazis are on the 405. So again, though, just separating it from, because I don't wanna just make it all about his comments about Jews. It's just, you know, like we're in this place right now in the state where everybody wants to make the groups even worse. And I swear to you, it's so nuts that 10 years ago

I thought my kids were gonna be in a colorblind world. I really was stupid enough to believe in the last three years we have gone backwards in ways that is quite frightening. You think so? You think so? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Tell me why. How do we get there?

I think the media, I think the media, you watch both sides of it. I mean, CNN will put every single day how racist the country is, how awful cops are. And, you know, of course they're at bad cops. It's bad, everything. There's bad football players like Antonio Brown. You know, I mean, there's just bad people everywhere. So, and then Fox on the other side, you know, they put Kanye on the cut out all his anti-Semitic comments.

And then, you know, I posted on Instagram, I really didn't think there was going to be any other side to this conversation. I just thought, yeah, I just said everybody unite. We shouldn't speak badly about any groups, not Indians, not police, not, you know, whatever. And all of a sudden, I'm getting this you're a censorship guy, you're this. And I'm far from a censorship guy. I mean, I'm interested to see what happens with Elon and Twitter, but I believe in free speech.

And it's just sad to see a guy with his platform speak like this and endanger so many people, you know, and for what, what does he get out of it? I don't know. Do you think the repercussions he got, you know, Deedas cuts ties, okay, that's got cost them a couple billion dollars. Balenciaga cuts ties, Vogue and a winter cuts ties,

drop by CAA, drop by lawyers, all these Spotify up, you know, their downloads are, you know, decreasing and Spotify has made a decision to drop them yet, they're thinking about keeping them, just like they kept broken when broken was the downloads are decreasing and Spotify hasn't made a decision to drop them yet. They're thinking about keeping them just like they kept broken when broken was everybody wanted them to be canceled. Restricted from Instagram and Twitter,

Stadium Show's canceled, documentary shelved, 120 million out of cash left. Yesterday he said he's lost everything and his net worth dropped to billion in a day. What was the tipping point? Because he set stuff for a, he wore the white lives matter, that drove a lot of people insane

when he wrote that a couple weeks ago. But what was the tipping point? Well, you know, everybody's gonna say it's the Jews and we control everything and that's what happened. So, you know, I don't know what the tipping point is and I don't believe, he's, I don't believe he's got any financial problems and anytime soon. But, um, you're nothing. I like doing a go for me for the

good. I'm not thinking if you want to come up with the idea. I paid, I mean, Kanye was on a charge. I paid it like $1,100. So he probably still has that. That's all you had to pay him. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, honestly, they called us to be on really. So, um, that was how it worked with all our cameos they came on so But but it was but everybody wanted to be on yeah, like that was to be on yeah people probably would have done it for free to be on Yeah, well, yeah, the only reason we paid whatever we paid us out Yeah, but I mean first year it was impossible to get anybody, you know Mark Wahlberg I almost I didn't know if Mark was gonna show it for his cameo in the first episode

I remember and he was the executive producer Yeah, that was like Mark, are you coming? Are you there? You got to live 100 bucks for me, Doug. That's so fun. So fun. Sure we were when we started. And then by season two people started calling us.

But with Kanye, look, it's a long road. And we'll see how long this lasts or whatever. And again, I'm not trying to keep the guy down. He's an incredible talent. And I don't want to just see him come out and go, oh, I'm sorry, I'd like to get my money back. And I just, you know, you want to see someone be educated and understand how dangerous it is to lump people into groups and any groups, you know.

You know, he's got problems with, you know, some Jewish music executives. I'm sure there's a million people who do. But when he talks about controlling the media, Rupert Murdock is the biggest guy in the media by a million fucking miles, he's not Jewish. And you don't normally say, you know, you don't hear, oh, you had a bad interaction with this Catholic guy,

you don't go, these fucking Catholics are killing us. I mean, I don't know what they're doing with us. So it's sadly, and why it's so scary for Jewish people is we're such a small group and somehow it always comes back And I've been saying it for years you'll see eventually the right and the left somehow Comes together and goes against us and and again I really don't want to make it just about his Jewish comments I think people speaking hate about any groups, you know, speak out against it

I'm not saying he should be off Twitter. I'm not saying he should be off Twitter I'm not saying he should be off Instagram or anything else, but I'm not gonna go see his concerts, you know And I have I have before I think I think it all started going downhill when when Trump was in he started wearing the Magahat And that's where all the publicity and everything came in but what makes it like Weird is that you know you don't see I've never seen somebody so influential, somebody so a billionaire person with such a platform that has a mental illness that, like TMZ everybody, they just want to see him and hear him.

You know what I'm saying? They're just like, more and more and more and more. If you go on TMZ right now, it's just him. Yeah, well everybody will put him on. Would you put him on? Who him? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, so I mean, you know, I put him on our podcast

if he wanted to come on. I don't give him a bag, but The biggest the biggest thing is is you know guys have made comments before anti-Semitic comments before So for me When you hear comments being made, you know, and you sit there and you watch it like okay Jimmy Kimmel stills got a show And back in the days, you know, hey Kimmel stills got a show. And back in the days, you know, he dressed like a shadow. Howard Stern is a rock star. And you want to see what Howard Stern did one time as a skit years ago. He had

black face. He still got a $600 million. Whatever. Just on massive contract. So there's the hypocrisy is what's the most annoying thing. I do think it's times. And I'm never going to say black face is okay or something. But I can tell you when I was a kid and I never put on black face there's no pictures of me. I wanted to be Eddie Murphy so badly when I was a child that I I would dress up as buckwheat for Halloween. Now I did not do black face but I can tell you I when I was a 12 year old kid, I had no idea that this would offend people.

And what, and Howard Stern, again, I'm not going to defend Howard Stern, but Robin has been his partner for 30, 40 years, and I think Howard Stern is a liberal. So part of it is, whether you're doing art, whether it's good art, bad art, that's a whole different issue than when you as a person go, I have a problem with this group of people. I have a problem with Indians. What are you talking about? The last three years, everybody's talking about they've got a problem with white people. I mean, they're not being canceled. You got people talking about they've got problems

with whiteness and all these, and I'm not even white. I'm Iranian. I'm in the middle. I'm not black. I'm not white, I'm probably the one that's targeted more, being a guy born and raised in Iran. But you hear these comments being made about whites? It's totally fine, but you hear the comments being made about the other side, oh my God. So I understand what you're saying, I'm not saying to, I actually didn't make the comment about Kimmel about him getting canceled, I don't think he can't get canceled. I don't think how he needs to get canceled, I don't think, I'm glad Rogan didn't get canceled. I don't think how it needs to get canceled. I don't think I'm glad Rogan didn't get canceled.

They almost try to get that guy to get canceled and Spotify stood behind him and then eventually they didn't. So with Kanye here, he's pushing the envelope extremely, like to say a comment, what was the comment he used? He says, I'm gonna go, that's a con. That's a con. Yeah, that's a con through, yeah, that's not it. You can't do that kind of shit.

But by the way, the way you handle that, is the way Muscandle did. And he called him and he says, Hey, what are you doing? And they had a conversation. I just had a conversation with Kanye. He seems sincere and he's going to work on this area. Boom, he kept him on.

He didn't get worse. I mean, he got worse. He goes on everything and says, worse stuff. And again, I'm not suggesting who should cancel. And the question is, which I was talking to some friends last night about it. I mean, it did is the company has fallen apart as is. And this was an enormous financial loss for them. So I'm sure for getting their Nazi past, which they have, which is the founders to me is somewhat irrelevant, because I don't believe in the sins of your father

should be on this, but I'm sure there were terrifying discussions inside this company and people who are gonna lose their jobs and people have to feed their families and all that stuff. So it's hard for me to just go, put myself in a position, oh, you know what, I can make $100 million today with Kanye or I can just go, you know what,

I'm gonna make a stand, but I'm glad that they did. And I don't think that's cancel culture. I think that's going, I don't want you out in front of my company, spuing this nonsense in this garbage. And again, I don't, and I understand as an Iranian, what you're saying, but the sad thing is with the, with all the comments

when they come at the white people and Howard Stern, who is one of my favorites. I mean, Howard, he used to have Daniel Carver on the racist and the Jews were always the lowest group. We were below everybody. So the weird thing is we kinda look like we're white, but then we're not really. So we get into this group where everybody comes after us.

And, you know, but again, I'm just trying to say as corny as it sounds It's like enough grouping any group together. There's the other problem with the Jewish guy or the Iranian guy that's your problem with him 100% that's it. I'll make a couple points Point number one by the way just so you guys know we've made history. Yeah, it was the first time in a history to podcast We got two series and two Jews. Yeah, yeah That's actually what I was gonna bring up. Oh my goodness.

Ironically enough, who's gonna do? We're a, Adam's Jewish. Nice. Who's the other Jew? Come on, Adam. Who's the other Jew? I don't like to, you know. We're like the stereotype.

But it's some face like, thank you brother. The couple of quick points, did you see the interview he did with Lex Friedman? I saw some of it. So I think Lex is an absolute stud, very just smart thinker, just brainiac, very logical actor, and I've never seen him get emotionally triggered,

and Kanye did that. So when you can do that to the kind of a rational, logical guy, it's testament to that, but he made a very good point. He's like, and this is where they went back and forth, back and forth, he's like, listen, stop with the group stuff. Individuals screwed you over. Use their names. That's how

you get even. Bill fucked me, Rick Rubin fucked me. Whoever it is, you can name them. And that's how you get even. And that's how you even the score. Not so ridiculous. Shoes got me. I mean, I mean, these African-American singers in the 60s really did get screwed. And how did Kanye get fight? get flies richer than he was? Well, higher a good Jewish lawyer. The real fucking contract. Point number two, I think that you talked about like a Dita specific or Balenciaga or Vogue, whatever.

I think there's a major difference between a full on brand, a fashion brand, distancing themself from you versus a Spotify. I'm totally okay. If a Dita wants to do their thing, but Lindsay, I don't do your thing. You don't want him representing your brand, but Spotify, that's his music. I'm totally against that.

Like, if he's wrapping about killing Jews, all right, maybe. But he's not what it is. So I'm fully against that. Thirdly, and this is what we're talking about Jews in a series you've dealt with this before, where you went into a room to get a job, to be a part of a company, and they're like, yeah, we don't do business

with Armenians or Assyrians. And you're like, what did I do? You're like, well, we've had bad experience. It's like, judge me by the content of my character, not by, not, not, Martin Luther King. And I think that's ultimately what we're talking about here. Absolutely. You've dealt with this, P.B.D.

Yeah, I mean, look, here's the one thing when I was watching A.B. yesterday, there's a trend. There's a difference between B and A troll because it works. The business model troll is a very effective, it's a very, very effective business model to accelerate getting eyeballs. Look at what Andrew Tate did.

He got under people's skins and boom, the most viral man on the internet. No one's getting more eyeballs. Look at what Andrew Tate did. He got under people's skins and boom, the most viral man on the internet, no one's getting more eyeballs than the guy doesn't interview. Boom, everybody wants to know what this guy's got to say. But there's a thing in line. Like, Conor McGregor was a very good smack talker until he lost a fight to Dustin Poody and says, Hey, tell your wife to stay out of my DMs and then boom, he crossed a line there when you're talking about trolling. There's a line for trolling. You don't cross. When him and Mayweather were growing at it, great, it's soul tickets, we were all curious, you know, the fight went what, nine or ten rounds, but he was a professional troller. So was Mayweather, so was Trump, so are a lot of these guys. Jake Paul, major troller, it's a very, very effective business model. These days, it is.

It's generally always been though, but the way he was done before was in a different way. I'm not lying everybody. They were just... Robert Maxwell, you know, Jelaine's father was a troll going after Murdoch and Murdoch was trolling game. This trolling concept would on us is trolling John F. Kennedy.

This is not a new thing. Right, but the difference, if I may, social media has amplified that. Because now you can do your own distribution. You don't have to rely on big media. But by the way, you know, there's a troll individual. And then there is, and then there is, like, you know, sometimes like,

you're trying to get attention. You're trying to like, let's just say sometimes a podcast is not doing good or shows not doing good. And they're like, man, I gotta show some boobs. I gotta show some this. I gotta show some butt. I haven't been getting a lot of likes on my Instagram.

I gotta say some crazy shit to you. And then he's like, no, man, now your business model is too reliant on how everybody reacts to you and you lose authenticity. That's when you get across. I'll try to say, again, I don't know what anybody else does because I've never had that in my brain. I've always tried to be as authentic as I can

and I try to just speak in a way that hopefully speaks to all groups because, and we're gonna keep repeating the same thing, but you wanna troll somebody, you're pissed at somebody specific, troll them specifically, but once you start lumpeting groups It's it's dangerous. Yeah, but like I said, it's a long road part of me thinks Kanye is this is all

Exactly what you're talking about. He's trolling all of us and while he lost some money at the moment He'll be back and I'll have an album in a year and it'll be this and and and it'll be and I'll be huge You know provided it's good. Well, before the Jews, which is the, you know, throughout history, they've been a major scapegoat right now. Obviously, over the last couple of years, it's been Asians. Oh, you're Chinese. Clearly, you've given everybody COVID. Like, no, I'm from Vietnam.

I'm from Hong Kong. Like, stop grouping me into this. It's a very slippery slope and it ends up getting a work where it gets very ugly. Nobody did that. Nobody did what? Nobody said you're Chinese, you're the one that gave me the virus. Are you kidding me?

Stop Asian hate was a real thing. No, nobody did that. That was, that was, that was, what? No, nobody did that. That was a campaign to pin again. The same thing he's been talking about last three years is to pin but the legs against whites, CNN against Fox.

This is this stuff that they make up that you believe and you're like, oh my god, nobody did that. Nope, I never went to person saying, you know, COVID's because of your fault. You didn't, because you're not an 80. No, no, but people did do it. Stop, you, you know, I'm not, like this is a real thing.

This is not a real thing. This is, this is what, this, this, by all means. Asian people have been beat up because of this but there are actual stories Yeah, and real life actual case examples of these exact scenarios, but why though? But why though? Because some people know elements of society don't go fucking idiots and they'll take go to the sea. Give them an inch. They'll take a mind Go to the seed go to the seed The root of the issue is when a CNN or MSNBC or the media says constantly, this is what's happening. And then there is reaction to it to get the attention. That's why we can't sit here naively think people are going around because somebody from the tops that COVID came from these guys, and they're blame. So the same thing can be said when they said COVID

is because of the Trumps fault. No, COVID is this person's fault. COVID is that person's fault. So we can play that card all we want. The same story can be said on the other side. The moral of the story is the best thing that Doug just said is the following. I said, I feel like we're going backwards.

And I asked, why? He says media. And you turn on the media, everybody hates each other. We don't the media, everybody hates each other. We don't. We don't hate each other. And we can sit down and have a civil conversation and figure things out.

You know, we can sit down. Not everything that happens is because people are judging the other person. One scenario doesn't mean it's a million scenarios. Where people are being convinced, one instance of a issue happening is happening a million times everywhere. It's that. It's happening here and there. So the more

you promote it, it gets to nine people, 100 people, 700 people, 20,000 people. That's how this kind of shit gets started. I don't disagree with that. I'll say one caveat. It takes a seed to plant a tree. Often times, yeah, hear me out here. Oftentimes a small story, a real story, an actual case example of an Asian guy getting beat up, or a black guy like a George Floyd getting killed. What like that actually happened, the media will water it and water it,

and give it fertilizer and grow that shit and amplify it, but it did start with an actual example. Do you remember the thing that was going viral in the streets of New York where Kids were going around knocking people out and it's called something Not a game. I think it was a knock all people. Yeah, there's a lot of those fault was that So say that incident happened 20 times now all of a sudden everybody is Putting it out there now other kids want to go do it now other kids are noticing people have become a celebrity

They record me while I'm doing this. You're feeding the machine. You're feeding the beast. Well, the news is, I mean, it isn't even the news anymore. It's just fear mongering, you know, and it's the, it's honestly, it's not even new, though. I remember when I moved to LA and I'm from New York, you know, I grew up with murderers and stuff. And when I got to LA, everyone's like, they carjacking in LA. Be real careful. And I remember in LA, I would drive around Beverly Hills in 1990 and like pull up like eight feet from a red light so I could fucking escape if anyone attacked me. And it is you watch the news or whatever they want to call the news and every five seconds

they are showing you something that you should be scared of. And they're not really giving you any way out of it. They're not giving you like news should be okay. There's a hurricane coming. You you any way out of it. They're not giving you, like, news should be, okay, there's a hurricane coming, you might want to get out. You know, not, you know, everybody's getting killed every five years. Well, I don't remember, Doug, you're a little bit older than me, but I don't know if you remember,

but news used to be a non-monetizable asset. It was the news they weren't looking to make money off of it. It was a, it was almost like a free thing for society And when they started to monetize news, oh, we can make money off this Oh, the bigger personalities and the more sensationalized that we can do things This is a cash cow. This is a money maker. Let's get some people that get eyeballs and now today with social media and Appliction, but and I know everybody loves like croai and stuff, but the reality is it's still, you know, even when you're reporting the news,

even if it was 30 years ago, it's skewed by somebody's vision of what they think, of who's being oppressed, or who's this, what they wanna show, whether it was Vietnam, or whatever it was. So it's a scary thing, but at the same time, we need it because you need access, and that's why free speech is so important.

But right now, it's also the really hard thing. I mean, you can just read the New York Times, and then you can go read somewhere else, something the exact same story. And you go, holy shit, that was like, I don't know what to think anymore, except I do know that the times has got a liberal Slant to it no matter what they want to claim so it's a very confusing time and it's a scary time for young people

Especially and you know, I think I think what we're seeing with like the mental illness crisis is because people are so fucked up And they are so kind of lost as to which way to turn. And hopelessness, a little bit, I think, is entering the equation where you just go, what the fuck is the point? We can't, you know, have a normal minute ever. So. Yeah, and don't forget, speaking of like legacy media, back in the day, it was three major outlets. Yeah. ABC, NBC, CBS, and then fuck showed up in the 90s. It's like who are these new guys on the block? Right? And now there's 10 billion different channels.

Go get whatever you want. There's nothing for you. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and change the game. Ted Turner's a legendary guy who started a business model which was 24, seven news and everybody thought that was crazy. He almost risted up.

He risted all. And then next thing, you know, he ends up buying the falcons, buying the braves. I don't know who he bought. He freaking pretty much bought half the world. And then he ran for office. He almost became a president. So that turner created that model of constant news, which seemed really good. Yeah. And it was. And it was really good. And now you look at it, but it's weird, even with CNN now, and that's some crazy, because I stopped watching it during the pandemic. I mean, I'm all moment, lemon. We're getting me to the point of like, you know, everybody hates, if one side hates Tucker Carlson, one side hate, I hate both of them. I just think they are, you know, I think they love better to live that way. Yeah. I mean, I just think they are trying everything they

can to make everyone hate each other and they're laughing all the way to the bank because they get paid to do this. But CNN, I feel like unless I'm crazy, I've got clicked on a little bit. I feel like they've moved a little right all of a sudden, like suddenly they watch the trying to get back to every side. But the way they do see you firing a bunch of people and getting rid of a bunch of people. But the CNN I'm talking about, if you ever read the book by Ted Turner, I don't know if you've read it or not, highly recommended. He wrote us a while back. I will because I love Ted Turner. Oh my God, dude, you you've read it or not. I have not. Highly recommended. He wrote us a while back. I will, because I love Ted Turner.

Oh my God, dude, you're gonna have, you won't be able to put it down. It's, if you, uh, uh, uh, download the audio book and on your flight back, you finish it, you'll be able to finish it at 1.5 speed. What's the name of the book? It's called Ted, I think, they call me Ted. I think that's what.

You get it. I do two point, no, I do two point, no, but I, I do two point, this guy would go four point, no, if he could, I'm gonna you can on Spotify 3.5 and it's fantastic, but but going back to this go back to this when you hear how it ends What what his level of disappointment with CNN how the book ends and this is not a new book Can you pull up the book just just type in what the Headturner book it's not, it's not a new book.

It's an older book, not Teddy. That's a porn. What do you have? It auto correct to early say they call me Teddy. Call me Teddy. It auto call me. Oh my god. Time. Call me. Tell me that book right there.

Yes. By the way, it's 13 years old, which is perfect because nothing was happened. It wasn't like 13 years old. So that book is due for a bar mitzvah right now. Oh, not in this one. Oh, nine is what it is. So, but CNN was a guy that changed the game and everything else came half the time. I will say something about CNN.

No doubt nationally, it has a tainted image. In my opinion, and from what I talk to, especially people in actually CNN International, has a different cache, globally. Like CNN International, which obviously we don't watch when the States does still have a high level of credibility. And that's essentially, the international arm of what Tim was...

So you watch a lot of CNN International, so they can actually do. Very, very, very, very, very good. I'm thinking about what they're thinking over and over and over. Around the world watching. Because it's not CNN, they just think you're a third world country.

Because think about it. It's not as, you know, US-based left, right? You know, conservative liberal Trump, yes, no dynamics, right? It's just international news. But I know that's seven different. But by the way, so for a guy that build on tarage on, you know, which by the way, some may call it the greatest show all time.

To me, it's a top five of mine. I think it's just insane. If you, when you ask some people that are newer guy, younger guys, they're in their 20s, like, have you seen what's on to rush? I'm like, dude, you missed out. I slapped them right in the face. You see that? I go, what? Life is not like, you don't know what life is more.

I watch it, but you do this. And it becomes a phenomenon. It becomes a, everyone's talking about it. I'd work the next day. Everyone's talking about it. At the peak of insanity, tell us a crazy insane story when Antaraj was peaking, how the community, how Hollywood was looking at it.

Tell us some crazy stories about the whole Antaraj movement. I mean, I'm trying to think what crazy stories I have. But, you know, I always, even though I wrote that show, I was always kind of like a head down guy, and I'm not kind of living anything like that entourage life. In fact, when Mark brought it to me,

because Mark said, I wanted to do a show about me and my friends, and I'm like a bunch of hangar ons who hang out with a movie star, I'm like, it's just not my speed. And he said, think about it. And I went home and thought about how to make these guys like a family. And, and that's, you know, any any successful show That's essentially what they are. But I mean, it's, you know, it's not an insane story, but when my brother, my brother, my Harvard Law Brother, who worked at scat and arps in his mr. conservative and like I don't think ever thought like I was even mildly amusing to him when like when the hugger out thing

happened which honestly it was I mean I've written far better lines than that and had no expectation of this being a thing but my brother told me like his whole office in scat and arps new york all these Harvard guys that you know like I could never even visit Harvard I was too stupid to do that. So when I hear that they were talking about it, and then when the athletes would call LeBron James and Tom Brady, like we want to be on the show. It's crazy. It was really wild.

Phil Mickelson, I mean, you know, I wrote this line or maybe Brian Bird's wrote this line, but he's melting down like Ari says, melting down like, like, Mickelson at Wingfoot, which was like his famous US Open Meltdown. And then I see him and I'm like, hey, Doug Allen, I'm trying to say, and he looks at me, he goes, you know, I'm sitting in bed with my wife, mine in my own business, watching my favorite show. And this comes out, you know. And so I said, well, come on the show.

And he still came on. So it's it for it. It was a very, it was a very cool, wild ride in the town, really embraced the show and he still came on. So it's it for it. It was a very it was a very cool wild ride and the town really embraced the show, which you know, speaking of cancer culture when it started to turn that all of a sudden the show was racist, homophobic and yes, I'm like, okay, well, it was a bomb his favorite show,

you know, the New York Times put it as the best show, you know, and it's weird to see how I don't think the world is shifted as much as you just said. It really hasn't shifted, but there's just a lot of loud voices that are getting a lot of air and a lot of attention and a lot of power. Could you do on to Rosh today and get away with? Well, you know, would you be having to explain yourself every day for an episode? Look, I have a new show that I'm doing now that I believe will be speak to society in 2022 the way that didn't

2003 the reality is the real R.E. could never speak the way he did in an office And so I would never write that so when people write things which it's also funny with comedy or you know Some people don't fight a funny, but with comedy you get this thing like you can't say that you can but the sopranos like Tony soprano can you know murder his his murder his son's best friend's father or beat him up or threaten him whatever. And that's okay, because it's somehow more artistic. But I wouldn't write things that don't exist

just like you wouldn't write a show in 2022 where people, cards don't exist. I mean, things evolve, things change, societies change and what I think, hopefully what I did well in white caps the culture is, is I understood what Hollywood was like in 2003. And by the way, it was mild compared to reality, you know, and but it still did speak of some reality and some real world issues. Adrian Grainer, I mean, out of all the guys there, Kevin's been acting since he was six years old. He's been in Hollywood for a long time, right? some reality and some real world issues. Adrian Granger, I mean, out of all the guys there, Kevin's been acting since he was six years old.

He's been in Hollywood for a long time, right? You know, you can, and I'm saying Connell, you can go through everybody. Kevin Dillan's been acting for a long time. Jeremy Pivin's been acting for 40 freaking years at this point, incredible actor. But where did you guys find him? So Adrian was,

pull up the picture for some people that don't know who he is from on to rush. Go for it, Adrian the picture for some people that don't know who he is from on to Raj. Go for it, Adrian is. For the people that don't know who he is, I wanna spit in your face. The other people that don't know on to Raj has been there. Wake up.

So Adrian, Adrian Steve Levinson, who is a better picture, Tyler. That's him, there you go. That's a good picture. He gets a worse picture of the guy. Go ahead, Adrian. Vinnie Chase in the house, Vince.

So Steve Levinson, who I want to two lane with, and who is a good friend, and was Mark's manager, he represented Adrian. And Adrian, when we were casting, I cannot tell you how hard it is to cast a movie star who is not a movie star. This is literally one of the hardest things on the planet. And Adrian, who was a great actor,

who actually Woody Allen cast as a movie star, I, you know, opposite Leo and I forgot what that movie was called. One of his, is less, least successful movies. But Adrian would be in this office every day while we were pulling our hair out, trying to pull it out. And then Steve one day was like, you know, I got the guy. I'm like, who's the guy? And he's like him.

And Adrian had this beard like we did this episode where he goes to Mexico. Like he had this beard, he would always wear a hoodie. And I'm not a homophobic guy at all, but I don't like stare at handsome men and go whatever. I'm like, the guy in the corner with like the hoodie and the beard, you know? And he's like, yeah, that's the guy. That guy cleans up nicely.

Yeah, but even when he did clean up, we just put him on tape. And one of our assistants did a genius thing back in 2003. He took Connelly's audition and he took Adrian's audition and put them together. Connelly's, Connelly's a handsome guy, you know, but, uh, when we put them together, Adrian just, he instantaneously felt like a movie star, you know, and, um, you know, some people like to say he wasn't great. And you know, let me tell you something. There's very few people on the planet who could have pulled off that role and really had this presence in the show that just made you feel like I want to be around this guy. I want to be friends with this guy and I want to be in his orbit. But so we were

lucky because we saw every single person in town and it was tricky. And when I started, I wanted, I wanted a wallberg, which is even harder because, you know, as you look around in the movies, there's very few guys like Mark, you know. So speaking of Ari Gold, was Jeremy Piven born to play that role? Like, did you even look elsewhere? So my agent at CA was a guy named Jeff Jacobs Jacobs who I went to camp with 30 years ago. He was my agent Jeremy who I'd never met in my life. I Loved and from Larry Sanders specifically. So in the first outline that I very shanling that back in the day

This is the Larry shit. Yeah, probably this is legitimately top five sitcoms ever made. I mean it's genius and You know Bob Odin Kirk was the inspiration for the agent. Better call souls, that's on mode. But he was the agent on Larry Sanders. When I was thinking of an agent, he was kind of my inspiration. But then I saw Jeremy and he kind of looked like

a little bit like my agent. And so in my first thing, I said, Jeremy Piven playing Jeff Jacobs, you know. And then what happened was we went into the pitch meeting at HBO. I had never heard of Ari Emmanuel. I had never met him. Nothing. But he represented Mark and Steve Levinson. So I was with Jeff Jacobs and, you know, they were with Ari and we walked into the room and I've told this before, but, you know, I'm sitting there with 35 pages of like but I'm sitting there with 35 pages of stories and material for this show and we walk in and Ari Emmanuel before anyone says the word goes,

it's a show about marketing his friends. This guy is gonna write it. If it sucks, we're gonna fire him and someone else is gonna rewrite it. Wow. Okay, says it to your face. Oh yeah, yeah, in the meeting. And then, so that was pretty much the end of the meeting.

I didn't even really have to speak. And the first thing I said to Steve Levinson after we walked out I go he's Piven plays him. This is the guy and we then got in the car and Ari calls. I Honestly did not say a word. I had a 15 minute pitch ready to say I don't think I said a word. Ari goes done. They bought it I said do they want to like read any of my writing samples? And he goes, I just said they bought it. Would you like them to unbiot it? So instantaneously, I knew I had a character that would pop.

And then I meet Jeremy, he's gotten into shape. And he actually kind of now looks like Ari. It was so bizarre. Can you pull up a picture of, it's Ari Emanuel. Ari Emanuel. Who happens to be Roman Emanuel's brother? Yeah.

That was a very unusual picture. I'm hidden Elon. Did you see that? A couple of his colors watching his back. But, you know, so then we had a, I had a convinced Jeremy to do the show, by the way. So, why do you mean to convince him? He didn't know.

Well, he didn't know who I was. He didn't know who any of the other actors were. And we weren't paying a lot. It was a very low budget thing when we started. So we met and we convinced them to do it. And it was great. And you know, there was no other options. You know, click on that picture right in the middle

between right in the middle, in the middle right there. That's the picture. You want to assume a little bit of it, man? Yeah, because that's what he's playing. Yeah, it's wild. He's a picture. I'm assuming. Yeah, because that's what he's playing. Yeah, it's wild. He's a he's a great actor, though. He started doing stand up right before the pandemic. I started seeing him at the left right there.

I moved there from LA. He's saying, Piven. Being Piven. And then he all I got off sage and he was like, dude, like, holy shit. And like, we kind of, you know, we're both handsome. Whatever. So, but he was just he was just awesome. And like, he's he was like, hey, I'm going to go perform in Utah, one of the comedy clubs.

He's like, I was like, I'm going to go see my sister. She's in there for his like, dude, come and open for me and features in the back smoke. So guys, he's he's a he's a cool saw you do a podcast with how you live in J Piv in his podcast. I'm a circle back to kind of what we brought up initially. And I no doubt. I mean, is he the only one who actually won an Emmy or something from these as far as actors? Yeah, I mean, obviously he crushed that role. He won three in a row.

Yeah, it was ridiculous. You brought up a point earlier like, well, what are he canceled these days? Who knows? But sopranos, it's crazy. Speaking of First Amendment, sopranos, and you crazy. Speaking of First Amendment, sopranos and you can even go down the depth chart of like whatever, you know, murders or grand theft auto,

you could full on murder someone, gun to the head, just bloodplast, that's fine. But God forbid you call someone a nasty name. Oh, you'll get canceled. You can do that on the sopranos, you can call them whatever you want. But by the way, the crazy thing is with this show, which I'm curious to know about the business model,

I'll get into that, I wanna learn a little bit more about the business model. It's in LA, it's about, it's being shot, like mostly the life is in. It's not an answer, I'm sorry. Yeah, so, but then I wanna say, month ago, you said I'm done with LA, it's a thin line between becoming more and more common as city soft on crimes mixed with inflation

Create an on air that's becoming insufferable for many residents I was in LA with Kevin Two months ago and we went and he took me out to a nice restaurant. We're having a conversation. I'm looking outside What was the hotel? We were talking about right across the hotel Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh What was the hotel we were talking about right across the hotel? It's on the list. There's a tree house homeless guy build a tree house Beverly Hills. Oh wow. How bad are things in LA right now from your point of view? You know what again, that's like where the media is go read like the New York Times and they'll tell you

This is racist to talk about but I have had More friends have interactions with violent crime in the last year and a half than in the previous 30 years combined. Wow. So my ex-wife and my brothers ex-wife are on the news running for the lives in Beverly Hills from shooting at El Paso on Canon. I had a friend of mine with his eight month pregnant wife with a guy put a gun to her stomach at the force right behind the four seasons, so to tell.

My ex-wife also grew up with someone whose mother was killed in Beverly Hills this year. And if you remember that guy, just walked into her house in Beverly Hills and 80 year old plus woman and shot her. So things are bad. Now, I'm not smart enough to wanna get into all of the stuff, whether it's bail reform,

whether it's the pandemic, whatever it was. All I know is three years ago, it was a very different place. And people are fleeing at crazy rates and wealthy people. And no matter what anyone wants to say about that, it's going to cause major problems. Because we already have the highest taxes in the country. And if you take away all the high taxpayers, which look, I don't make a dollar right now. So Conley pays nothing on this podcast. So I mean, it's not, you know, that's not my high concern at this particular second, my own taxes. But it's just getting really bad. And, you know, people

don't feel safe. You don't want to drive a nice car. You don't want to wear your watch out. And we go, is this going to become Venezuela? Is this like what the plan is for this place? And again, I don't want to speak as if I'm smart enough to understand these politicians, because I watch them. They try to find their issues that they can win on. And then they go, whether they believe in anything they're saying, I no longer have any faith in that whatsoever.

What is it at a point where obviously musk left, Rogan left, a lot of people have left. You read about, Austin people coming here, people going to Tennessee, people are going to Nevada. Some of the guys are going to Nevada, which as the Mark Wahlberg went to, some story came out about him leaving in Nevada. I think the story came out last week.

Who's the girl from Pretty Woman, Julia Roberts just left as well. And she's going to a complete different place. But is it at a point where you're thinking about leaving or no, that's where you're gonna be for the rest of your life because it's the business you're in? No, 100% I'm thinking about leaving. I have a new show.

If it goes, it'll be in LA. I bought a house in the desert, which I understand isn't leaving California, but the king of that. So I plan on spending a lot more time out there. Right, you got to go into cave and start riding. Yeah, but I've looked in Florida, I've looked in Nashville, and I've thought about it, which is said, because LA has been a really great place.

An entourage, part of an entourage was a love letter to LA, and how much I love that place, and how I dreamed, my parents didn't let me go to UCLA because they said you'll never come home. And so I dreamt my entire life of being out in California, in Hollywood, and it's a really beautiful place and you can never, ever replace that and you can never replace the weather, which, you know, when I come here and I'm sweating at 8 o'clock in the morning, you know, I go, this is tough, but... Welcome to Miami. Yeah.

Yeah. So, but I'm seriously and I'm sweating at eight o'clock in the morning. You know, I go this is tough, but welcome to Miami. Yeah. So, but I'm seriously thinking about leaving. I'm having a, I'm having a baby. So I cannot even comprehend right now, you know, my, my fiance walking down the street with a baby right now because it really does not feel safe. So, and, and, you know, again, you're going to have, you know, jerkups like even South Rogan's like, oh, that's part of life in the big scene. Car crew, you know, getting your car stolen.

No, no, no. You know what, that's fine when you have $100 million and you can just go this, but you know, when you know, I just had a flat tire at ruined the week of my life. I got stuck in the desert. Oh shit. So, I just think that right now, I'm hoping something turns it and people start to wake up,

because it is the same thing I say about Kanye. It's like, yeah, we wanna help everybody with mental illness, but we can't allow lunatics to be running around the streets because we wanna hear what their stories are. Let me ask you, because I'm the only one here that hasn't spent a decade plus of their life in LA.

You spent how many years of your life? 24. 24 years. You were there with decades. You life in LA. You spent how many years of your life? 24. 24. 24, you were there with decades. You've been there. You're New York, LA guy. I'm Miami, Florida, born and raised. Was it a slippery slope thing or did it fall off the cliff and avalanche style since COVID?

It fell off the cliff. And, you know, I mean, you had to think there were going to be some repercussions from COVID. I mean, because of what was happening and, you know, again, for the really rich people, it seemed like, oh, this is a great vacation, but I have so many friends with businesses in LA that have been destroyed. And, you know, it never made sense to most of us, and you want to protect everyone that you can, but, you know, you just go, what was the point of that? And it is, it is a, it is a, it's a tough pill to swallow. And I think we're gonna feel the effects of this

for a long, long time. Let me ask you a follow-up question, because again, born and raised Miami, like Florida has catapulted to the top of everyone's list since COVID. And you know, a lot of people will put DeSantis on a pedestal for what he's done. And I know you're saying, I'm not smart of you're a pretty fricking smart guy.

At some point is it's sort of the policies, the politicians, they kind of got to be responsible for this nonsense. You know what? Whether it's Garcetti or Newsom or Post-Late. Obviously policies have to have an effect, but there are cyclical situations that happen. In markets and the world, like I said,

I got held up at gunpoint in New York City in front of the plaza hotel in 1990 some of the most expensive real estate on the planet earth and there used to be prostitutes standing right outside the plaza hotel Those were the days, mate Great times, but New York New York was a scary scary place the 70s which I wasn't really around for were far worse scary place, the 70s, which I wasn't really around for, we're far worse. And then Julianne cleaned it up. He did. He really did. And Bloomberg, you know, and he did.

But, you know, it's such a slippery slope because you can't say shit without people saying you're trying to target this and that. I just want to target criminals. I want to get them off the street. I want to help people to try to have the best lives they can have. You like this carousel guy that's running? I do. Yeah, what do you like about him?

I like that he's a businessman who's accomplished things. I'm so sick of these fucking politicians who've never done anything, and then you watch them become rich as a politician. They're supposed to make 50,000 bucks a year and work to try to make the world better, but they're really working with themselves. That's why, you know, again, I bucks a year and work to try to make the world better, but they're really working with themselves. That's why, you know, again, I have a small following on my Instagram, but I get in trouble from both sides, which I guess I'm stupid. That's a good thing. What the smart thing is that, you know, my friend does a podcast with Bill Maher and I always say, I had Bill Maher's ideas

before he says them, but unfortunately, he's got a podcast with Bill Maher. He's got a podcast, Bill Maher's got a great podcast. No, I'm amazing. Yeah. Yeah. My club random. Yeah, my friends and producer of it. Oh, God. And came up with a list of Bill Maher. Is there a more necessary voice in America these days than Bill Maher? Yeah, Joe Rogan, but he's he's up there. Yeah. He's in a top 10 list right now. And, and Doug, going up from what you said, I moved from I left LA, you know, stand up acting and doing all that stuff So now I'm in the comedian comedy department here I think when they started not decriminalizing but like the shoplifting

$950 or less they're basically giving criminals the okay to do whatever then you say shit like Defront the police which is making cops less eager to do their job because like you know what fuck you guys If you guys gonna have that attitude And I was one of those moments and I've said to the one the podcast where I was like you know what? It's time to get the hell out of here my mom's visiting and we stop at a at a red light There's a full-on fight people beat the ship each on the right and then the lights green people are beeping for us to go Homeless guy walks right to the military takes you like a good shit I'm not even I'm like good one.

He looked like I had enough. He was he was like, you know, looking at not just your average one. I mean, my mother's in the car and like he picks it up. I mean, he had to do some seat and my mom respectful very respectful because because it was this moment that we're pat, you know, we're talking. He's like, finish you move here instead of doing all this stuff there. And my mom will never forget.

Looks at me as she goes. I think it's time for you to leave. I think the fuck up. Coming up on the next answer, right? Yeah, it was almost like a movie scene. I'm shocked like something crazy doesn't happen, but yeah, it's, let me ask you another question about, like I've said this before, again,

not a California guy, but is there a more Hollywood fabricated plastic? Tell me what I should say guy, then Gavin Newsom. I mean, I just seem so gay. I'm trying to get him in trouble. Guys, it's podcast could get canceled tomorrow. That's my opinion. You can't say no Adam, you're wrong.

The good thing is, like I said, I'm unemployed and uncancellable, but I do have personal friends who have connections to Gavin Newsom. So I'd rather not speak about, they are all frauds. Okay. Period. End of story. I mean, Joe Biden, Donald Trump, these people who foolish shit, they lie about their backgrounds, they lie about what they're going to do. And,

you know, it's just, that's why my frustration level is on such a place because you really, like I did grow up and thinking, people aren't be the president because they want to make the place better, but it's a hundred million dollar job if you get that job. You know, so why wouldn't you want to be AOC who, you know, was a waitress and now she wants the right books and she wants to do this? And that's why, you know, I got in trouble

because everyone thought I was in this left wing lingua. When Cuomo sold that book long before is sexual harassment thing, I'm like, how is this even legal that you can be a sitting fucking governor and you write books for $5 million? Like, how is this possible that we allow this? And then again, I don't want to go left their right, but like Pelosi with these trades,

like how is this possibly legal that they can let these these congressmen do inside of trading when they know what's going to happen before it happens. So, you know what's the crazy thing is we were talking to Kanye said, when I talked to Tupac, Tupac told me first go get your money and then wreak havoc or whatever. Some line like that that he talked about, Tupac told them this 20 some years ago, 30 years ago, 1996, whatever the timeline is, right, years ago. And sometimes when you don't have a few money,

you have to walk on excels, especially in your world, when you don't have it yet. And when you do, you feel freer, you can say whatever you want to say. And I fully understand that business model. And but sometimes people in your world are held hostage because of that. And you have to be part of the team

because God forbid you don't support, it's gonna hurt your business. And you want to think some most excited about Hollywood. What's happened the last, I don't know, 10 years, is that the Netflixes of the world have come out, the Hulu's of the world, these OTT's are coming out, where you no longer need a Weinstein to, you know, do something with them

because he's got all this power. You no longer have to go through Giffin. You don't no longer have to go through all of these guys that at one point, oh my gosh, God forbid, I better please, don't say this. I won't say it again, I'm so sorry, man, you know, I'm, you do this, I'm not gonna give you this movie. It's like, oh my gosh, God forbid, I better please don't say this. I won't say it again I'm so sorry man, how you know, I'm you do this. I'm not gonna give you this movie So oh my gosh, you man. I'm never gonna get a party again and hold my careers over with the best parties Those guys are gone and today they're not gone

But those guys are not as powerful as they were before and today a money person can come and say Doug I don't give a shit with sad you're on politically Here's 20 million bucks. Let's go make a bunch of shit and we're gonna put it on our OTT. And this is what we're gonna do. The freedom of these OTTs coming out now, how has that shifted your mindset

within your industry? Well, we're really gonna see, because I just went out and financed my own show, you know, and you still need, you still have those gatekeepers, because you still need the distribution if you wanna go big. I think where the world will be in three years, like comedians, I don't know if you guys ever had

what Andrew Schultz or Dave Schultz, I don't know what Andrew Schultz is. Yeah, he released his own album, Taylor Swift goes and makes, goes and makes, I know she's got 400 million people falling, but she goes and makes her album in her own home. She doesn't need anybody. So we did that with a pilot.

So now we'll see what happens. We just finished it. Now we got to shop it around. If we somehow can't get distribution from one of the major platforms, and we will figure out a way that we will release it ourselves. So that was really exciting to me, because the process that I did this pilot in,

where Entourage took, when I talk about how Ari sold that in the room, I was paid $50,000 to write a script. That took two years and torture and almost, almost to the point where if you really wanted to break it down, it was far less than minimum wage. I was gonna say, you know, I really, make a man pay. For far less than that weight. I was gonna say, you know, I didn't really make it man. For far less than that length.

And I lay, too. And over two years. Over two years. And they'll 25 grand a year. And I'll say, I call, I actually said at one point, I said to my eight, can you call them up and say, like, if they want me to keep going, like, give me a little.

Show me the month. I think there was like 2500 bucks in games. So, so there is, as such for famine world out there where and then you get going and all of a sudden you get paid and then everybody goes, oh, you're part of the elites now, you're part of this. But I sat there for two years, busted my ass, rode 400 drafts of this script with everybody think, if people think people are sensitive now, every word was scrutinized, every fucking vowel. But now I did this pilot. Now we'll see what happens.

And again, it's not some wildly politically incorrect thing. And I don't think Bill Maure is either. I think it is a very, just like entourage was, it is a very clear look at culture and society as it is right now. I've got Charlie Sheen and it speaking of, really, I don't want to say it. I wanted to see if you're comfortable saying it. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Charles Sheen, Martin Sheen, Connolly Dylan, you know, Breezy from all American, Camiko Glenn from, from,

what are you guys looking for? What are you guys looking for for the whole thing? Like in terms of money? Yeah. Well, I mean, to be honest with you, I just want to make sure we're at the right place where we can get eyeballs on it. I feel the same way as I did about on trash,

just let me get the audience out there and then there's so many things that I can do in this. But so we did a pilot, I feel great about it. I've started writing the rest of the season and then we'll figure this out. What's the pilots out there? The pilots out there. The pilots don't, it's not out there anywhere.

But we got, we got, we got actually Richard White who's currently the Ariom annual of, of William Morris representing it. And we'll see what happens. What's the latest with Charlie Sheen these days? I mean, Charlie Sheen is, and I mean this sincerely. So when people talk about second chances and when people talk about drug addicts, this guy is one of the best people I've ever worked with.

One of the best people I've ever known., one of the best people I've ever known. I'll say it to his face. I don't know what he's like if you give him a line of blow and I hope I never find out. But he is amazing and his father, I've spent a lot of time with him too, great family and great people. And it does speak to that fact that people can slip up

and they can come back and they can redeem themselves. And he's a really great guy and obviously a great town. So Doug, is it hard pitching a show to like networks and people when they, when I respect what you're saying, when they see or they hear like, oh, Charlie she's gonna be in it. Does it make them more reluctant?

They'd be like, oh shit, well, we wanna pick it up but who knows what he's gonna be doing in the next two or three years, he might relapse, or he might be in trouble. You know what? Obviously, I don't know what they're saying, and they say it and we're just starting to shop it, but that's what the show is about.

Charlie Sheen is playing himself. He's playing an ultra realistic version of himself. It's not trying to make one of these cartoony, you know, versions. He has Charlie Sheen and HIV positive, Charlie Sheen, who's putting it all straight up. That is a thing. That's good. It is all on the line. And there's nothing like, there's no punches being pulled in this thing at all. So how's his health? His health seems great. He's he's HIV positive. The medications are great. The medication for HIV is amazing. Yeah. he's doing. He's working okay for you. I'm in great shape He's doing great. So that's great to hear By the way when you when you think about him and his pops, I mean some of the best movies man

He's think about I got I got I got to show you this because the scene with him I mean, I mean first of all this the second episode to already wrote, which Martin told me he read it and he cried because this was actually so realistic to his life. But the scene in the show with them, like, you know, and whatever, but maybe Martin will forget he said, he goes, I think this is better than our Wall Street scenes. Wow.

And I think it is. It's absolutely riveting and real. And I think any father's son will relate to this. And, you know, it's not so and Emilio Estevez is also their brother son half what it would have yeah Full on brother. I believe he's a full on brother. I mean, yeah, Martin didn't want to go with the sheen last name Just said I want to be an Estevez Martin Martin regrets changing his name. They're actually I mean they they're Spanish descent I mean, he's actually is actually Estevez Martin Sheen is Ramón Estevez. Yeah, I don't I'm maybe pronouncing a stevez. Yeah, me and I and thank you and and Charlie is Carlos.

Yeah, Carlos Estevez. Wow. I do want to make one thing clear. Everybody that's watching. I do not have HIV because I'm I'm looking for you to say that. So it's not very good acting it but saying it's working out okay Thank you do I but you know the business model with which you're what you're if a person wanted to get into that space a

Person that wanted to get in the new space in that space to have distribution to have eyeballs They know how to get a lot of eyeballs, but they're not they've never been in Hollywood They've never made movies, but they got plenty of money money's not the issue What would you say would be the first two three four five moves to get into the Hollywood space? Well, I think you know my partner on this show who put up the money for it Ted Foxman You know he wanted to get into Hollywood He sold his business for a lot of money and it's all he wanted to do He loves movies and he loves film

Fortunately, we were friends and and hopefully it all works out for him. He feels great about the process so far. But I think the most important thing is to find someone that you believe in, that you like what they do, that you like their talents. I think, you know, with all of the guys with money that are coming out, I think, you know, that's what you do. You go find a great writer, you go find a great actor that you love. Is it a step, step number one, a writer?

Or is it a actor? Is there like a step to go through it or not? I think if you have your money, I mean, obviously, if you can get a real star, that always helps. But I think me as a writer, I think the most important things about any TV show or movies are the beginning. And it's the concept and it's the script. I always believe that.

But obviously, if you can get a major star, that's going to and it's the script. I always believe that. But obviously, if you can get a major star, that's going to make it a lot easier to sell it and get people to watch it, you know. So get a writer first, then after you get the writer, try to get a good star, is that kind of how? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's what we did with this, you know, and I started talking about it on the podcast. I said, you know what, I'm just like, we're in the pandemic and I'm like, you know what, I'm just gonna go make my own show. And that was my plan. I was gonna find the name of the pilot or the show?

Ramble on. Ramble on. Yeah. Got you. Yeah. With the Sheen boys and Doug Allen. Kevin Connelly Kevin. Oh wow.

Yeah, sick. Exciting. It's a entourage type of a model, right? Structure except for today's time. It's a half hour, you know, the interesting thing about entourage when it came on and people won't remember this now. structure except for today's time. It's a half hour. The interesting thing about authorized when it came on and people won't remember this now. Because you guys say everyone knew these actors.

People really didn't. Some people were like, which at first insulted me because I was an insecure 30 year old. And they were like, is this an unscripted document or anything? I'm like, what? I'm like, you don't have any hours I spend with every comma and every word. No, these are actors, this is fake.

So some people would never seen Adrian, we're like, this is real. He's really Vinny Chase. Yeah, they really did think that. This one is these guys are the real deal. Like Kevin Connelly is Kevin Connelly, who quit acting and started a podcast company and is swimming in all of the troubles of a startup

business, especially when you've never done it and you're how 40 years old. So it is all ultra real. And I think it's the next level that people that people really want. And you see all the crappy versions of it where they make these things that that kind of look at this is going to be a very realistic grounded look at both Hollywood and celebrity culture in 2022, 23. But it's also about the world right now. Second chances, redemption, second acts, which, you know, you guys will find, I don't know what you're in your 30s now, but like, thank you. Yeah. You get to your, you get to your 40s and 50s and, you know, like, like you, I don't

even know when you started this, but you go, all right, I made money, I had a lot of success in this, but what the fuck is next? What do I do with the rest of my life? And how do I really find a real purpose? And the movie sideways, which I don't know if you guys are familiar with it, but that was a big inspiration for me.

One of my favorite movies. Yeah, wine, why I country, GMODY and tell me. That went viral. I mean, I was like, everybody was talking about it for. It won on a war, don't wanna say it. Yeah, yeah, it was. I definitely won. I'm asking, Thomas Hayne Church definitely won an Oscar. I'm sure Alexander Pay I was like, everybody was talking about it for. You're one on a war, don't wanna say that. I think I want to ask him.

I'm asking, Tom St. Church definitely want to ask. I'm sure Alexander Payne was nominated, but he may have won, but it's a movie that really speaks to people. He was a struggling writer trying to figure out his life and the other one was a struggling actor and that could sound like just a boring thing, but it really spoke to everybody and what people go through,

no matter what your level of success or failure is. So just to be clear, everyone is playing themselves in random arms. That's so awesome. Wow, it's great. I mean, let's talk about Charlie Sheehan. And, you know, Charlie being who he is, the commutant and writer being who he is. This is like whoever's invested into this, you couldn't position yourself better. Whoever that person is that came and worked with you guys,

which is obviously we're very excited. I mean, obviously I had the advantage. Our model for this pilot, I got all my enthrower crews. These were all Emmy nominated cinematographers and the whole cast and crew. They all worked for far less than if we were doing it for somebody else. So, but anyway, I'll show it to you. Home town discount.

Yep. I love it. I love it. I wish you guys nothing but the best. Let's say it's a very exciting. If it's anything like on to right, and it's for today's times, I can't wait to see it myself. But you know, go back to go back to Hollywood. You know, I like to talk about who's the greatest, you know, basketball player all time makes for great debates, right? Who's the greatest baseball player all time? It's Willie Mase. It's Babe Roodis. This is an Actors today, okay? If you were to put the top five today that are acting today

Active. Who would you say? Oh God, you're getting me right off the top. I got to do it. I mean, it's it's a Leo I mean Leo's at the top. Yeah, Christian Bale, Jennifer Lawrence. I know I'm gonna like leave out and like all of a sudden I'm doing something wrong, but you know, there's so many great talented actors. Don't be diplomatic. No, I'm not even trying to get to your world. So I'm trying to come up with Leo. So we got Leo. We got the bail. Forget bail is a piece to me. I got you something else. I mean, Daniel DeLuisa, I was really good at it. I was just about, I swear to God,

I was just about to say, I just saw an interview of him where he's just talking about my left foot. It was like an old, just him, Gary Olman. I mean, I put Gary Olman, he's freaking insane. But Rodaniol DeLuisa is an elite of his own. I think he's the own, he's his own.

Yeah, he's the only one. He's the only one. I feel like he only does act. Let me I don't think he has a life outside of acting. Obviously, he clearly was he was retiring to be like a shoe cobbler. I'm not I'm not in any of the funny. I have no idea, but I mean, I remember when I saw Lincoln, which you know, you just sit and you go, well, how do you come up with like a voice

for Lincoln? And he was more Lincoln than the fucking penny. You were just like this. I mean, it's it's amazing to watch. He was more Lincoln than the fucking penny you were just like I mean, it's it's amazing to watch but there's there's a bunch of guys and Love is god Jesse Jesse Clemens is that isn't I love this guy he was on breaking bad But I think he's a future Oscar winner. Oh, he's incredible I'm up who's one the one Phil Seour Hoppian was one of my best. I mean, he passed away. But what a like a potty.

I saw the like a round table with him and the writers and how he got the voice. And it was, I mean, God rest the soul. But he was on the bus. This kid is unreal. He's ridiculous. Yeah. What do you think about? What do you think about Shaila Buff? What do you think about his style of acting? I mean, I think he's great.

Yeah. You know, I don't I don't know Mentally how he is but he's crazy. Yeah, apparently he found God and like he's I saw that Catholic Yeah, the movie he did he was that podcast he did with John Burntall Which is and I'm a fan of both by the way He's a sick. I'm a fan of both of those guys, but shy. What an interesting guy You know what very talented. Very talented. Like I said, Transformers wasn't Transformers when he no longer was in it.

And I love Mark Walbrook, but it's a different story when it's him and the girl, every time I forget her name, Megan Fox, first one, second one, you were in it. One shot wasn't in, it was different to me. Obviously, I love Mark. I've never seen a frame of a Transformers movie that once I swear to God, not one second of it. I never

Not the first or the second one. I didn't even know there was a second one. Oh, I thought Mark would surely want to know, man, to give this watch the first one. It's not my thing. Yeah, he's he's a very talented guy. When Shia, maybe it was a kid actor thing, but a lot of what he talks about is, Hollywood just chews you up and spits you out. And he sounds like an 80 year old, like, aggird lady, you don't know what it's like in Hollywood. And they use you and abuse you.

What is that? I mean, by the way, that happens, it didn't happen to him. He did it to himself. I could have run away with it and had, you know, I mean, I don't think Mark looks at Hollywood as a place that has chewed him up and spit him out. And that's why Kanye, you're like, what are you talking about this, people who would kill to be in 150 of your position, you know. So, but it is, it's a tough town. There's no question about it. And I've watched it. I've been out there. What, the day I graduated

college, I went there in 1990, and I've seen a lot of people come and go. Is it tough because it's competitive? There's egos, there's money, it's just... It's just backstabbing. Backstabbing? It's time to change. Again, I don't look for anybody's empathy or pity.

I don't give a fly fuck, but if you watched like where Antara suddenly went from like, this critically acclaimed popular thing to all of a sudden, I would wake up, I would like, right as my kids were like, starting to read news and shit. All of a sudden it was like every day, let's reexamine Antara and all of its problematic themes. And you know, and that, whether or anyway, it has real world effects.

So the town starts hearing it and the fucking clowns in Hollywood said, well, we can't, we can't do that. We can't get involved with that thing. We want to go with that thing. Literally, they do that. Yeah. Now, if you're, if you just had something, if the Entourage movie would have made a billion dollars, then I would have been able to do whatever I want, but it didn't.

So, but it really came out. If you look at the Entouragetrash movie, which honestly it is, we, that movie tested so high that the president of Warner Brothers like set me the tracking numbers and said, you know, frame this because you'll never see it again and start writing on-trash too. And I said, I will not write one syllable until I see this movie open. And the weird thing is, is you could watch the movie and like I know the fake people go, oh, it's so it's exactly what season one was, which people say was their favorite.

And I made strong, but when you read the reviews on it, it was all about misogyny and how these guys are this and that and the, whether the world did change, certainly the critics had changed, you know? And you saw a world that honestly none of us saw coming. Because that was probably, probably came out two years before the Me Too movement. But it was, it was brewing. And, you know, that's fine. So you, you know, I always say about, you know, you either adapt or you die.

And, you know, people talk about cancel culture like it's this new thing. You know, Andrew Dice Clay is a close friend of mine. He was canceled in 1990. Lenny Bruce was canceled in the 70s. So this is not new stuff. And the difference now is, as you say with Joe Rogan, it's really hard to really cancel somebody. Now, is it easy for a director who gets into trouble

to go get $50 million from a studio to make a movie. No, but there are other ways like I'm doing now with this new show and Joe does with a podcast. He's not cancelable, even if Spotify didn't want them on their network. So he'd put it out himself and he'd still have the same. How much you trust Rotten Tomatoes? Well, I think Rotten Tomatoes is just like a survey of all the reviewers, right? I mean, so I don't know. I don't really look at it, but I don't know. Why? Do you think they're up to something?

I don't know. Listen, here's my model with Rotten Tomatoes. If you go to Rotten Tomatoes, pick a movie. Okay, just go to, you know, you're going to Dave Shippell. Go to Rotten Tomatoes. Oh, that's what you're doing. Go forward. Go to Rotten Tomatoes. Oh, that's what you're doing. Go for it. Go to Rotten Tomatoes.

So if you go here to zoom in, okay, so check this out. Whatever the tomato motto says, I don't trust. The audience score I trust. So this is Dave Chappelle special. Got 99% to 5 now. Yeah, that's a tomato. What, that is like a survey of real critics. Yep.

Exactly. So how much credibility does that have in your space? Well, it has zero in my brain space, but unfortunately or not, you know, look, at the end of the day, it's a money making business. So you can, like Dave Chappelle has no problems with that 35% because it's not going to affect them because the audience loves it. Click on some of the reviews. Let's, I mean, this is three years ago. Edgy, but empty. No, the 35%. We know the world loved it. 99%. I don't know if I've seen a 99%. These are like alleged real critics, but who would be a great? Yeah, exactly.

Zoom in, go up a little bit so we can read the top critic. Okay, she's a top critic. Shepella's fascinating, sophisticated, and wasn't so great. Their colors on there, I can't get behind there. What was it? There are moments in this special that I can't get behind, can get, but there were others I'm shocked that Netflix gave the go head. Okay, cool. This guy's from Pull Whatever City Price.

By the way, that's a great, that's just stupid because Netflix doesn't give the go ahead. They let Dave Sheppell go, and he did what he did did and they put it on and you can judge it however you want. So watch Eddie Murphy delirious from oh my god. Yeah, which I you know, now I get canceled because I I memorized every single line of the you and me both. I mean, you know, that it was a different time. Now, maybe obviously you don't wanna abuse any of the people that he may have been making fun of, which again, I got comedy, Bill.

It's called comedy make people laugh. I went to the American Film Institute, which was considered like, one of the best film schools in the country. And the first film I did what they do with you is they, it's crazy. They, you show your film and to the whole crowd of students and everybody, which is probably like two or three hundred people,

then you have to go sit on stage and you can't say a word while they critique you. Oh, God. So I put my first film on, which I had David Schwimmer pre-friends in I think and a couple other people and everybody laughed their asses off. And I was like the only comedy guy there. Everybody laughed their asses off. Then was like the only comedy guy there. Everybody laughed their asses off.

Then I get up on stage and people go, funny, funny, funny, funny, which it wasn't meant to be much more than that. And then the professor, he starts going, wow. But, but, but, but, but, and then they all started attacking me. Like one after the other, how useless this was, how pointless this was, how it didn't change the world, it didn't affect anybody, blah, blah, blah. So then, and this at the time,

the school for the second year, only like 12 out of the 30 directors would get into this program. I mean, like Darren Aronofsky didn't get into the second year program, okay? I was the only one who did not apply, but I made a film that made fun of the school. I had the teacher of the school year program, okay? I was the only one who did not apply, but I made a film that made fun of the school. I had the teacher of the school was like, you know, I don't want to go to the Jewish thing,

but he was like a Nazi commander and like whatever. And when I put my film up that everybody laughed at and he turned on me, all the students turned into sheep and they chased me out like Frankenstein out of the school. He did not show up at the screening of the school, the only time the entire year. And I had students there who are friends of mine who actually people who worked on Ramelon that didn't want to work on that project because they were scared they'd get canceled at the school,

at AFI in 1991. And I think that's part of the whole thing. You, of course you have a fear, and that's why I say, while I wanted Adidas to throw Kanye out, I get the conversations. We're not fucking easy. And I would love to say that I would just walk away from a hundred million dollars right now not to work with somebody who who had not opinions again. That's the thing that people say by the way. He's entitled to his opinion. No, if you think all Jews suck, you're not entitled to that fucking opinion.

Okay. I don't know what else to say. It's stupid. You're ignorant and it makes no sense to anyone who has a brain. But I understand there are a lot of things that play when you get into these situations. And when you're talking about Chappelle, who is clearly the greatest living comedian right now, he may say something that offends you. He may say something that offends you.

He may say something that offends me. I'm sure he has. But if it's funny, it's funny. Like Ricky Javais shows, did you watch that one? I mean, I mean, she's on a hold it from love. You know, and I'm talking afterlife. Did you watch afterlife? No, I haven't seen afterlife.

Oh my God. I mean, you told me. Anything I watch with him, I'm blown away. You talk about anti-PC stuff that he says and gets away with because I think like Larry David, these are just, and it's why I say, and I'm not even putting myself anywhere near those leagues, but I believe I know how to walk those lines,

and I walked them in 2003. Nobody was ever coming after us for our Russian 2003. I believe the same thing with the new show, but after life Ricky Jive show, he's such a fucking genius and Lauren Rottleto's, let's see how good after life is. And I'm glad to see comedians and cars getting coffee with a first-high vote. Yeah. Trust me, watch the episode of Ricky Jive's. He says, you know what I will. I will. I will. I'm talking about the stand-up comedy joke to Jerry Seinfeld and Jerry almost falls on the floor. It's one of the funniest. Oh, I know. It's the, uh, the Jewish guy. How brilliant is that joke? All right. So 71%. Now again, I, you know, the show, the show's depressing at the

same time. It's about like him losing his wife. But there's things he does in that show that you go, okay, I can't believe anyone But nobody's telling Ricky Jivey's like don't do this, you know, and by the way even on enthrased HBO Like Carolyn Strauss who was you know the head at the time. There were some things that I wrote and she's like I I don't like this, but I'm not telling you what to do. It's your thing. Go go do it And I think that's that's how it be. And again, that's why let Kanye, he should be on Twitter, spewing his garbage. It's sad and people should tell him why it is.

But 99% to 37% with Kanye, when it comes on to his special, he did. Just tell him how rede... No, she'll tell you. It's just tell you, it tells him how to say. Kanye has a comedy spatula coming out. All right, Ben. Yeah. No, no, it's just, I brought up Rotten comedy spatula coming out. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

No, no, it's just, I brought a brought them to me, to what I wonder like in your world, does anybody give a shit, does it do people call you and tell you what your score sucks, I'm not gonna give you another, you know, we're not gonna invest into the next project, but apparently you don't really care much about it.

Well, I mean, if I had a movie coming out, I certainly would want the critics to like it, you know, because it can't hurt. Let's make money than the critics. Give a movie you like. Give a movie you like. Name a movie you like. I can't hurt. Let's test some of it. Make money than the critics. Give a movie you like. Give a movie you like. Name a movie you like.

I don't know. Pick a movie that's new. Okay, go to Top Gun. I mean, everybody like Top Gun. Top Gun. Top Gun. Top Gun. Should be good on both sides.

That was pretty, you know, I don't think they offended anybody with that. Okay, good. That was actually bad. They literally didn't even say who the enemy was in Top Gun. Yeah. Which is like who they attacked. You don't even know who they attack. Yeah, it was in the desert But you don't know which desert it was in give me another one. Give me another one that maybe is a little old school Go to old school

Old school today. Oh, you know what tropic thunder would be a good one. Oh, that'd be great 60 per hectaclats offensive go to trop. Go to Tropic Thunder. 60 versus 86. Tropic Thunder. Let's see if it's still. Oh cool. Well, which is crazy. 71. But that's flipped. That's reversed. Yeah. Well, that was a long time ago. You know, you also don't know who's coming out. I mean, you ever read your podcast reviews? I mean, I get podcast reviews like, fuck you out. There's too much advertising, one star. You know, like, you don't know what people's agenda is. They're the thing is, but I don't want to say I don't care.

But I would prefer that the audiences like me than the critics. I think that's a perfect timing. Today sponsors, Rodney, I know. We like to thank them for the reviews they give us. Speaking of Chappelle, I mean, talk about meteoric. I mean, he was doing this thing in movies and all that. But when Chappelle show came out,

I want to say that was that O4, O5, that one was? Three or four. Yeah. Right around O4 for sure. Yeah. No chance that people can do what he was doing. He was doing white face. Yeah.

Like, he flipped it on people. You can do white face though, I think. Okay, well that's a whole nother conversation. Any Murphy, if you can't do black face, you can do white face. I see any Murphy. I mean, on the bus. Yeah. Yeah. I want to white man. I mean, I did you build it the black white supremacist. Yeah. I don't want to get into this because it's only trouble. But Billy Crystal played Sammy Davis. Yeah. I think he won Emmys and I have no idea whether African Americans were offended at the time. And if they were, of course, you feel bad about it, but I just wish, I don't know, I just

wish comedy was comedy. And you know what? I don't know. Even Sarah Silverman said, Jews should play Jews. I mean, Jim Sheridan, you were talking about Daniel DeLuis. I think Jim Sheridan, the director of my left foot, apologized for not, I think. I don't want to, I hope I'm not making that up for not casting an actual paraplegic. Now, there's not a fucking able-bodied human being on the world that could play that part.

But, you know, we're getting into this place where, you know, now, Darren Aronossi's actually got a new movie out and I read critics going, why wouldn't they cast a real 400-pound man? Why would they put him in a body suit? And you go this a fucking movie it's supposed to be people acting like different human beings That's the point and and it's art is supposed to hopefully Hopefully that movie helps people empathize with with it. I don't even know if I'm a lot of say fat I don't know. Yeah, don't you ever yeah

By the way, I'm skinny. Yeah, what about Eddie Murphy playing a bunch of different fat characters? Oh my god. Professor, which by the way, that was the first time I really got aware of Sheppel in the Nutty Professor. That's where he played the show. Fox guy. Yeah. He was the comedian.

Yeah. Exactly. I mean, it's it's still love. The funniest scene. No, shit luck. And you know, I watched a lot like Don Rickles, who was one of my favorites. I watch all those Dean Martin, all thoses and you want to talk about comedy there was black There was latino and everybody shit on everybody and everybody went home and they were okay listen all those great legendary Mel Brooks and call Riner these guys are liberals and if you watch blazing saddles which now they'll

Be warnings or the jerk which I always thought, you know, now it makes me uncomfortable to watch about. Steve Martin says, I don't know if you remember the line, but I remember the whole movie. These guys say to him, now that he's successful, he has to be careful about the end words. And Steve Martin, who was raised by an African American family, proudly stands up and says, I am the end word, you know, and I'm sure now, I don't know,

they probably edited out. Well, I know Karl Reiner was a, and I don't want to say the word liberal, because now the word liberal is fucking horrible, but he was a person who believed in a quality for everybody. And he was trying to move the needle forward as Norman Lear was and, and Mel Brooks. So it's just, it's very upsetting to see all of them. Did you see, did you see, you said the fat, can you say it or not? Did you see the Taylor Swift fat thing that she had to remove the clip out of her new?

Oh, did you see that or no? So they're standing on the scale. There's a, she's standing on a scale in the music video. And here, let me send you this. It's a, the best one is Buzzfeed because Buzzfeed definitely is a, uh, Buzz kill. But let me just send this one to you. Show this one here. Yeah, it's from Buzzfeed.

That's the one. Zoom in a little bit so we can see it. Yeah, so there's a reason I removed the fat scale from her anti-hero music video and Apple music. And keep going up, keep going up to see the picture. Vried the warning now. Where's the warning? This post contains mentions of eating disorders.

He'll go with up. the warning though. Where's the warning? This post contains mentions of eating disorders. Keep going up. Warning going up Taylor. Tyler keep going. Okay, however, a scene where Taylor stands shamefully on a scale that reads, I use fat as receipts. I'm back. What is going on? My concern is more her small little pinky toe then it is the fat concept. Yeah, it's truly, it's truly scary what's going on. And, and, you know, everybody should embrace who they are. And everybody's got their limitations. But also everybody should try to be as healthy as possible. I mean, it's just that simple.

And, and here's what's been proven. Okay. Uh, uh, uh, being skinny is not healthy, okay? We know that, like the being skinny, you know, two skinny, yeah. Two skinny, yeah. Yeah, sex, of course. But for sure, being overweight and fat

has a nice, at all zero benefits to anybody. And for people to not be able to talk logic and just openly talk about that, that's very, very problematic when you can't talk about that. So they forced her to remove this, just so you know, from the music video. I think it's funny.

Yeah, you can't, you can't, you can't, this isn't her anybody's feelings. It's not a Babylon B article, by the way. This is, this is a, this is a true, it's not satire, it's actually what happened, by the way. You see what it says though, has some backlash, and that's the problem. Like, who is this backlash from?

And where are the other people on the other side to go, you know what? I want to see what Taylor Swift thinks is funny. I want to actually like get inside of the knowledge of these artists and what they really think instead of being, you know, pasteurized through everything. So I'm just wondering if we're raising just a generation of fricking woossies, where just words hurt them.

If you're not getting your pronoun the way you want it, you're offended. Like right now we've got bigger concerns. Like China's coming for us from a global macro perspective. Like you think China is, I think that. Don't be anti-Asian. Don't do that. I'm sorry. I'm not.

Don't do that. I'm not. Don't because you just, hey. Hey, that'll, that I just, I'll vote for you. But what he didn't do. And again, I'm not, I'm not on either side. I don't know how I'm going to vote for it and anything right now. But he didn't go with China, China.

That's his accent though. No, that was him going fuck you. I'll say whatever the fuck I want. Yeah, and I don't care what ramifications it has. But the reality was it is what they did. It is what they came. Yeah, but you can also say this disease came from China, but he also could have said, listen, I need everybody to remember what this country did during World War II. In turning Japanese people, we don't turn on people because of what they are, or what the government, by the way,

you think the fucking Chinese people are enjoying their government? You think they like being on 24-hour lockdowns with helicopters going over it? Or they're fucking dogs getting beaten with sticks in the street? So I just think you can say if you're the God the President, by the way, Biden sucks also with his,

you know, turning everyone against each other when he was supposed to be the unifier. But you can get on and go, look, we believe this virus came from China, but do not, a, do not blame Chinese people. Certainly don't blame people in America who are trying to live their lives. And if he said that, I believe it would have an effect, whether it's stopped one person from getting attacked. You, you, you live in utopia.

That's what you live in a, you're writing a little too much and you're living in an imaginary world that's not real. So tell me how, what president before him would have stopped it. Stop it. So you want to go up against a country that says they want to take over the world by 2025 made in China. You want a soft guy going up against them with the current way?

We're handling China. No, I don't know. You're gonna need a guy that's got the brass balls to face those guys quite frankly. I don't care if it's him I don't care if it's Clinton. I don't care if it was a JFK a liberal a Republican someone that's got brass to face a country like that. I'm not not a billion. So I did not like anything about not standing up to them. I spoke about a Chinese Americans. Yeah. Be just Chinese. I think you're just offended that he the way he says China sounds like a China. But that's how he talks. By the way, it's not even that I can say I'm fairly offended. I just know that that's the type of stuff that causes a bunch of fucking animosity in this country with people.

Oh my gosh. You know, then that just, you've been in LA too much and you've softened up a little bit. I'm not soft at all. Yes, you're from New York to go back to the New York days. New York people are just... Trump is from New York.

Three of you guys here have spent, I'm a guy that's lived in LA 20 some years. Too sensitive on stuff to say. When you're going, it's again, it's not about my sensitivity. It's about how it, look at the fucking country. We're almost at a civil war. Who, who caused that? It doesn't matter who caused it.

It's you need someone to come out and speak. Oh, yeah, I don't disagree with that. No fucking other purpose in life than to try to keep. Dude, can you imagine if for three and a half years, people said Doug Ellen's finance through freaking North Korea. And everyone in Hollywood starts believing it. And no one wants to do business with you. How would you like that?

Say, let's just say, what, what, how would you have, how would you have, how would you have, how would you have, how would you have, how would you have, how would you have, how would you have, how would you have, how would you have, how would you have, how would you have, how would you have, how would you have, how would you have, how would you have, how would you have, how would you have, how would you have,

how would you have, how would you have, how would you have, how would you have, how would you have, how would you have, how would you have, how would you have, how would you have, how would you have, how would you have, how would you have, how would you have, how would you have, how would you have, how would you have, how would you have, how would you have, how would you have, how would you have, how would you have, how would you have, I'm not telling you. Doug Ellen. I tell you. Doug Ellen. How's it where's that coming from for three and a half years? They said this guy was tied to China. To Russia. Yeah. How are you gonna handle that? They said that every day. They say they said that every 24 seven. So is that okay for them to do that? Every politician has gone through shit. I mean, again, now maybe Clinton deserved it with with the monocleo. I don't care. But again, I don't care. monocleo. I don't, but again, monocleo is none of my business. I don't care.

Between a minute's wife. The president of the United States, that's just so unclear. So everyone does attack me as a fucking lib tart. I lost one of my oldest friends because he's a fucking cult living Trump lunatic. I don't, I am not a liberal at all, but the president of the United States, which again, Biden

did the same shit. Oh, the magas are killing us. The president of the United States should say, every fucking day, we need to all come together. That's his only purpose. He's a fucking idiot anyway. Both of them are, by the way, they are. These are not like the great intelligence. I know he wants to show us that.

That's a safe cop out. Let's it. You know, that's a safe cop out. And let me challenge you. That's my opinion. It's a safe cop out. And the reason why it's a safe cop out, it's because it's when you know, you know, if you were to measure policy to policy, which is what matters. That's what we should be talking about. We don't.

But you weren't worried about that from 16 to 2020. You were not. You weren't worried about policies. You weren't worried about Ukraine. You weren't worried about time. You weren't worried about Iran. You weren't worried about Afghanistan. You weren't worried about that stuff.

You weren't worried about the economy. You weren't worried about unemployment. You weren't worried about any of that stuff. The only thing you were worried about is this guy cannot stop talking shit. And 90% of the stuff that he says on Twitter should be, that's what everybody was pissed off about. Fine, credibility is true, you're right. He did too much of that, but today policies,

tell me what policies has made America better the last two and a half years. Again, like I said, I'm not talking policy at all, but you said policy what matters the most. That's what we should be talking about. That's what we should be talking about. And that's why you see though, you know, you like these policies and you're going to get them back. That's what elections are for and that's what it's all about. I just believe the president should

do his best to keep people calm. That's what I believe. 100%. We're on the same page with that. I think using too much of emotions to pin people against each other again. It's a very effective marketing method that both sides use, but unfortunately sometimes it divides it. But I guess in terms of the biggest thing about the president, they shouldn't be so fucking thin-skinned. I'm not saying I'm not right, by the way. You say, what would I do? First of all, I would never want to be president. That's first of all, we talked about this on the podcast, if Connolly and I, Kevin Connolly, if would never want to be president. That's first of all second, but like we talked about this on the podcast If like Connolly and I Kevin Connolly, I if we were king I'd be a very violent king

But I'm not I was not voted in and I did not you know say which Trump did by the way just like Biden right before he became president He said I'm gonna bring everyone together and I said right right before he started go. You know what? He won the election how he had to they always get nasty, you know what? He won the election, how he had to, they always get nasty, and you know what, he's gonna get, I don't mean nice. You don't have to be nice, but you have to fucking bring people together. Because right now, to me, the country, it was bad even in 2016 when you weren't worried about economics. You were worried that your best friend wanted a punch in the face

because he thought you liked this one or that. So I just think it's a sad time. It really is. And I think that the fact that we can turn you say and why I say, I am not on any side. There is no turning on cops on January 6th, just like there's no turning on cops at a mall and fucking Minneapolis. It's the same shit you cannot hit a cop. And what I believe police reform

No, we need to the existing laws need to be you know used like cops cannot be violent But not all cops are violent and we need cops desperately. It's just like we're learning that it's so stupid that it's it's mind-boggling Yeah, by the way, we had the mayor of Westwood on and the mayor of Westwood was talking about getting rid of cops and Well, what they're gonna replace it with is yellow jack yellow Yeah, like psychologists. Yeah, by the way, I've been in therapy for 20 years. Never done a fucking thing. They're good for me I want to go up to a guy with a machine gun. I go. I really like to talk to Let me see what's troubling you today. Yeah, lay down on the sidewalk.

Yeah. You know, I got in trouble for that when Biden said the cops should shoot people like in the fucking calves. Yeah. And the truth is, if anyone's ever worked with a gun and my son has volunteered, my son to play a re-sund on the show is volunteered with police for, since he was literally 10 years old. Oh, wow.

And to think that you would say something so stupid, if someone, like, let me aim for his fucking femur while he's trying to kill me, you know, with whatever. But sex like you got to stop right then. I'm sorry, hang tied for a second. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, go ahead.

Go ahead. Do what you're doing. Yeah, you're, I'll stop in the military. You have to aim for center mass the whole time. It's just, oh, oh, oh, I. It's just oh, I was doing something. No, no, no, no, no. I'm roleplaying you talking to the guy to shoot him in the spoo. You have to stop the threat.

Exactly. And I'm not interested in unfortunately discussing what the problem is. I would rather figure it out after I'm alive and I could still provide for my children. But I think it's a really setting. My question though is, did they ever believe this or was this a thing that they thought could get them some attention, get them into power?

I don't know. I think you're right. I think that's what they did. It's just what everybody says during a certain time, they supported and then when it doesn't work, they say we never agreed to that. That was the other guy's idea, not a right idea. I was telling my son that during the whole election.

I'm like, most of these people don't believe this for one second, you know, but. Doug, what do you think about Elon Musk buying a Twitter and firing everybody? He said, fired 75. He you heard about he fired a CEO. He fired a CFO. He fired a bunch of Swiss. He came, did you put up the picture of him going to work? Day one with a kitchen sink.

Did you see that? Yeah, yeah. He walked up to the headquarters. What do you think about him buying a Twitter? Well, I was worried. I saw everybody put the, I don't know if you saw it, but all over Twitter, they put, you know, already gold from authorized walking in the office.

Yes, yes. With the same gun and shading on it. Yes. Which is probably like, that's problematic. You're teaching people to shoot people in the office. But I think my hope is, is really hopeful because, I mean, by the way, I've been suspended from Instagram. I've been, you know, how many times I've been, you have a derby due and this and I responded

and, and, and it's so bizarre because I watch Michael Rappaport who I think, you know, is just funny as hell. He doesn't seem to get suspended. He's much more aggressive than I am, but I got suspended for three months. I couldn't get in touch with anybody. And it was just for responding to people who were saying shit to me. So I hope, you know, again, threats, violent threats

should not be on Twitter. I'm gonna kill you or let's go blow up a building, but you should be able to speak freely. I believe that 100%. You know, so what's the kitchen sink reference here with Elon Musk, meaning he bought the whole grown everything out except the kitchen sink. That's pretty cool. That's funny. He's downstairs and then upstairs.

All the guys upstairs like, wait, he's here with the kitchen sink. Oh, we're fuck, we got to get out of here. His phone was he tweeted, let that sink in. Oh, let that sink in. That's how he looks a lot thinner than that picture on the yacht. He got shaved. So good. By the way, though, he got shamed and he did something.

Yeah. Yeah. By the way, people have shamed me all the time. You're too fat. You're too skinny. You're too this. You're too that. So I mean, you try to improve.

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Elon tweeted, the bird is freed. And I retweeted saying a good day for free thinkers, a bad day for cancel culture disciples. There are literally people who are losing their minds knowing this guy owns Twitter now and you know he wants to keep himself as a CEO Yeah, do you realize what I mean private you realize what this means this means if he's CEO He's CEO of Tesla. He's CEO of SpaceX This guy's got three jobs as CEO's

Multi multi billion dollar companies. Yeah, you think you're getting a lot of sleep boring. Can I ask you a question? But has he all the people that were canceled like Trump and everybody have they went when they're I'm pretty sure he's in a range of not going to go back though. He's not going to go back. Because of the social. He's not going to go back. I think that is a horrible move on Trump's.

I think I do not go back to Twitter. He'll be back. That's all I'm going to say. I don't believe that. I don't believe that. I'm going not go back to Twitter. He'll be back. That's not gonna say that. I don't believe that But one second be back on Twitter. By the way, he may he may add truth social to every single tweet if he's smart Yeah, he would do but I'll be back in two seconds. I'll be back All you looking for is eyeballs. I love how you believe him like he said he won't be back Yeah, okay, no

I mean if he if he wants to drive value to truth he shouldn't if he wants to drive value to truth, he shouldn't. If he wants to drive value to truth social, he shouldn't come back to Twitter. Because truth social was a spack and a lot of people put up a lot of money and to keep those guys loyal to money guys, you kind of got to stay on truth social. But just getting on Twitter, it was,

I don't know, how many people did he have? 100 million? I've had a lot of people. To start telling them, hey, start switching over to truth social. I don't think it's people did he have a hundred million had a lot of people like a lot of it Start telling them hey start switching over to so I don't think it's oh that part is a different story But I don't think it is logging on to truth social what I don't know how you do it to be what what what what anyone who's Center or anywhere left of center is even thinking about truth social I've never been on so I have no idea and you're and you're center right? Yeah, I've never been on. So I have no idea. And you're on the, and you're center right. Yeah, I've never been on truth social.

That's my point. But what I'm telling you, dude, forget about this for a second. If you own truth social, okay? And he owns a lot of it. And he can make real good money of truth social if he does it right. If you own truth social,

you don't want your tweets to be put on Twitter. You don't want your posts to be on Twitter. You want it to be on truth social. So people want to find out what the hell you're talking about. That's free advertisement for you. Well, he'll say I got more to say on truth social. He'll get, but he can control himself. I actually don't think that he won't be able to stop.

He loves tweeting. He won't be able to stop. No, no, no, the guy can't help himself. And by the way, every media platform in America misses him. CNN's profits miss him. Of course. A lot of people lost their jobs at CNN. It's all a big movie.

And we're all suckers. Yeah, people missed this guy. CNN, 1000% is hoping behind the curtains that he runs and he wins. Cause that's the old, that's, that's when they were at their peak, Russia, race, maybe the money guys, maybe the money. Yeah, but what I'm saying is once he was gone

and that the whole Russia and then he's gone and they just fell apart, there's nothing, there's no COVID, there's no nothing from the talk about. So they better be hoping that he comes back. How soon after midterms do you think he announces his candidacy? Five seconds.

Right that in there. Right. He just waiting till after midterms. I want especially now that it's looking like it's gonna be I mean that's why I'm saying that's all a movie like it was gonna be a red wave and then all of a sudden the abortion issue came out and was like oh the whole world changed and it didn't and now we're exactly where they thought they were gonna be six months ago I think Michael Moore thinks that it's gonna be a blue wave still as of like one as of

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They were inspired. I don't know the high school with Michael Cohen. Okay. Really? Yeah, and when he said, what polls? What polls? I think I texted him. I'm like, is this something wrong with you?

And there wasn't. He was right. So. Michael Cohen, you went to high school. You're texting Michael Cohen. Yeah, I texted him. Is there anybody that's done a 180 more than that guy? Yes, there's plenty of people.

And that's why I think we're all suckers. I've always been just the same. And I'm like, I look at a lot of them. I go, I can't. Just fucking fact, I tell my girlfriend on time, I should be a sociopath. I mean, I could do so much better as a fucking soci them, I can't like it. Just fucking, I tell my girlfriend on time, I should be a sociopath, I mean, I could do so much better as a fucking sociopath

than trying to be like truthful and honest, but, and I'm not saying Michael Cohen's a sociopath, I like Michael. And Doug asked, what happened with Nancy Pelosi's husband? Does something happen with her husband recently? Well, the drunk driving thing was months ago. Something just happened with, I think you guys were talking about him today, right?

Breaking the nasty husband of a... Attabbing hammer? What? Zoom in? season. Husband, what? Attacking hammer? What? Zoom in? Where'd you see hammer? Was he right there? Attack with hammer. See, and I just clicked on that.

What? How Pelosi Husband of House Speaker and Ansperos attacked with hammer at home? Not by her though. Zoom in. By his wife. Zoom in. By a male assailant.

What? That broke in. Hammer on a San Francisco. What San Francisco? what do you expect? He's a hospital as expected to make full recovery. She's the US capital. What is there is a statement that's only a 50.

I'm interesting. I guess you know what that's my point and maybe you think I live in utopia, but I think we're getting into a place where we're going to start seeing stuff like this like and again, whoever you agree with or don't agree with, there's going to be it's just getting more violent. That's what it feels like to me. So I would like to go to the utopia that you think I live in. You look in that world. I think I've always been ahead of the curve and I'm watching. I'm watching a drive off a fucking cliff right now. That's what I see. Like, you know, it's like the movie never ending story. Remember

never end story. Yeah. I would love to live in that. I would love to sit on the hot side. But does she live in San Francisco or she and LA? She's got one. Or Sacramento. She's everywhere. Do you ever spend time in San Fran? I mean, I haven't recently and I have no interest right now, but I've been there and it's a beautiful city.

Is it way worse than LA? Because I know we've been saying it's bad LA. It's way worse than LA from everything I hear. It's like Portland and San Francisco are pretty much the same. People just zombies in the streets and it's homeless and it's crime. And I see Bill Burdow is interesting. Bill Burd is like talking about the difference between homeless people 30 years ago. And now it was really funny because it was like 30 years ago.

They were just, you know, you got to watch it. I don't want to try to imitate Bill Burd, but it was really funny. Because 30 years ago, you did not have this fear of homeless people. They, you know, now you really do and they seem, so I don't know what, I don't know what changed in the, in the homeless world, but it's, it's not social media. I saw homeless guy being like, hey guys, follow me on my YouTube channels. I was like, yeah, homeless buddy. We do it right now. So I don't have to give a so far. The mental, the mental, the mental ill situation is just getting worse. By the way, if a homeless person started a YouTube channel documenting what their lives

look like, I actually think that channel would blow up. I'm, if a person from LA, no, no, no, series, yeah. How did you mean very well? What you just did right now, if a person in LA who's truly homeless, documented what's really going on of a life, first of all, within six months, he's not homeless anymore, because that's gonna make money. 100%. But that's, I would want to see what's going on.

I know, but again, I feel terrible for homeless people, but a lot of them do not, they don't want to be indoors. They want to keep this life. Yeah. Also, outdoor, can you're joking about the social media? There is some communication going on. I had a guy, homeless guy, come to my house at 2.30 in the morning and I'm way up in the hills, nobody comes there.

I don't get trick-a-treaters, I don't get neighbors, I don't get anything. This guy came, I have two German shepherds, I have four legally-obtained weapons. And ink California. Yeah, this is about two months ago and I have it on video too and it was terrifying and my girl and I was also high as hell. And my girlfriend, you know, doorbell rings, my dogs go nuts, they're at the window and you can see them and you wouldn't want to walk into my house. I don't think unless you're crazy. And I watched my have it all on video him going and it's sad because he's muttering to himself, he'll kill the dogs, whatever. And I answered with my, my, my highness and my gun. And I'm like, hello.

And he asked me for an address. Like asked, he said, is this, this address not in a clear tone, but he said it. And I said, no. And he walked away muttering about killing my dogs, something like that. And then the next day on citizens, the address he asked for, there was a break in. And what I think was happening, because it was a house that was for sale, they get, they squat.

So I don't think he, I don't think he was coming to kill me or anything like that. I think he was coming looking for an empty home. So he can squat in. So that particular homeless guy wanted to be going, and I just want to say, just, you know, not in my utopia, but I have done the, the chrysalis is a charity

that helps homeless people and I've done some stuff with them. And there are a ton of great people out there that are harder than they look that do need help for sure, but we have to do something about the violence and the danger. Every Christmas morning at 4 a.m., we would get together on my office in Grenada Hills or Northridge,

and we did this for 10 years and we would go with, my office in Grenada Hills or Northridge. And we did this for 10 years and we would go with, started with like 10 of us, ended up being with 150 of us. We'd go to Skid Row. We'd be there by 5.36 o'clock Christmas morning. And then we would take pillows, blankets, toothpaste, toothbrush, we'd go to the McDonald's down the street by a few hundred cheeseburgers, whatever it is.

We'd take them in the morning and and we spend two hours with those guys. And it was a paradigm shift type of an experience to be around them and talking to them. Hey, how did you end up here? Are you trying to get out? What caused you to get here? What was the turning point? Just conversation wise. And you'd be amazed.

A lot of them have different stories and some of them chose this life. It's very interesting. It's very interesting. It's very interesting. Meaning not chose it like they want to be homeless. It's, you know, of course, some of them was bad decisions. There was one family that was a former accountant and he was doing very well for himself,

some bad decisions, his family was there, but it's a variety of different stories. But some eventually this becomes their life. This is kind of the life thing. It's also a lot here in the military, a lot of vets and who have serious PTSD. A lot of it. A lot of, a lot of addicts.

You know, it's a sad situation, but either way, like I said, it's something's got to be done so that people feel safe and that they're safe. And George Carl. Yeah. Go ahead. Well, George Carl and I want my favorite community about time said, you know, they worry about the war and everything, but they don't there's nothing to help homelessness. There's no

war. There's war and, you know, everything, but there's never a war on homelessness because there's no money in it for them to help these people. You go, you find the way for these corporations to make money homelessness is clean. Well, the great podcast, enjoyed it, duck pre-sit, we're coming out. Thanks for having me. Can you tell the audience about your podcast?

We're gonna put the links below as well, so they can find you. I got victory the podcast, which is with two of the guys from Entourage, but we do all sorts of stuff there. Mark Cuban's been on, and the DK Medcalf Julie's Randall, but we talk Entourage and and other stuff and I'll also have a podcast, Rambalon, which is the official podcast of my unofficial show, Rambalon.

And we talk about the whole process of making an independent pilot, financing it, casting it and the whole thing. Awesome. Let's put that link below. Brother, appreciate you for coming out. Tell me this is our last podcast of the week. I hope so. I have a podcast this afternoon.

You got a podcast. I've got a a podcast this afternoon. You got a podcast. I've got a Georgia sauce cast. No, no, we've finished. We left here at one o'clock last night. We were here at one o'clock in the morning too when we finished up and yesterday we did a few of them. So you got one today? Yeah, it's four o'clock.

Natalia and I, sauce cast. Only here on BT. Okay, fantastic. Have a great weekend, everybody. One, Jedadaz got one at one o'clock. And Vinnie's got funny news. I got a new sketch that we just... As a vampire.

Vegan vampire. The first vegan vampire is Larry. He's obviously full of shit. Hi, Larry's. Anyways, take care everybody. Have a good weekend. Bye bye bye. Thanks guys.