PBD Podcast - The Future of Iran: Restore the Crown or Start Over?? | PBD Podcast | Ep. 725

Episode Date: January 24, 2026

Patrick Bet-David sits down with Amir Fakhravar and Allahyar Kangarlu to discuss the future of Iran after the IRGC, the possible regimes that could replace it, and what a collapse or transition would mean for the Middle East and U.S. foreign policy.------Ⓜ️ MINNECT WITH AMIR FAKHRAVAR: https://bit.ly/45saqQAⓂ️ MINNECT WITH DR. ALAYAR KANGARLU: https://bit.ly/46d9QGC🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ⓜ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kSVkso ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj⁠⁠💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time!ABOUT US:Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

Did you ever think you would make it? I feel I'm so close like it takes sweetly. I know this life man for me. Adam, what's your point? The future looks bright. My handshake is better than anything I ever signed. Right here. You are a one of one?

My son's right there. I don't think I've ever said this before. So we decided to do this podcast right now with everything that's going on in Iran. The president just finished what's going on. Davos and the next thing you know we hearing about the ship that is on its on its way to right next to Iran concerns have it that he may attack today tomorrow the next day nobody knows you're hearing reports from what ameer just told me this morning the fact that the internet may be back up yesterday in Iran a lot of videos are being released people are seeing them the numbers we're seeing is at a low

5100 a human rights organization yesterday reported 43,000 people dead and people in the streets are saying it's closer to 70,000. I decided to bring two different topics here, two different people with different ideologies when it comes down to the resolution, the solution of what could happen here. Because right now the debate is, okay, so let's just say the president does what he does.

Who should replace? There's a lot of people who are saying it's got to be, Reza Palavi, he could be the transitional leader to go back and do that. And one of our guests today, one of them, Dr. Kang Gar-Lu, he's not just anybody in this space, He's a nuclear physicist.

He's a professor. He's at Columbia University. His background is very, very extensive when he'll break it down. And he believes that's the right move. On the other side, Amid Fagravar, which him and I have spoken many, many times over the years. His background, he used to be part of the team working closely with Reza Pallaby. He'll tell the stories. Here's as we're going through it.

He was a guy in 1999 protesting in Iran as a student. So imagine everything that's going on, 1999, 27. years ago, he was a young man himself trying to protest to make sure Iran becomes free, goes to jail, is in prison, is tortured, eventually finds a way to escape, comes to America, and has played a role in educating a lot of people on what's going on in Iran as well. They're going to disagree on the solution, but they're going to agree on who Islamic Revolutionary Guard is. With that being said, it's great to have the both of you guys on the podcast today. Thank you for having, Gus, and it's an honor.

Yes, it's great to have you as well. Thank you very much for your invitation. So if you don't mind for the audience, we have a lot of things to go through, okay? What should happen? What is the solution? What could happen? What is really going on, Iran that the rest of the people don't know about? If you don't mind just starting off by sharing your background.

I gave a brief synopsis of your background. If you don't mind doing it yourself, it would be great. Let's start off with you. Yeah, to make a long story short, since I was 16, 17, senior high school, in Iran. In Iran, yeah. That was the first time I was arrested. I was the speaker of my school.

And then the first speech I had, I was elected by the students to be their speaker. The first conference, first speech, they arrested me because I said, why the government is not using the new, talented minds, to fix the problems. And because of that, they accused me of being against the regime. And at that time, I didn't know what they were talking about.

Then, yeah, I had my first experience of solitary confinement at that age. And it just lasted hours. At the midnight, they released me. But then I went to medical school. I was arrested inside the medical school in Urumia. And I experienced months of torture. I couldn't believe that. Maybe I was 1920 at that time.

And then by the MIS Ministry of Intelligence, it was Haftodopange. It's 1996, I guess, the Clinton. Haftodo Panj? Yeah, the Perthodopeng? Two years before the revolution. Right, right, two years before revolution. Not the, not the rich revolution.

But Haftodopan. You're saying Iran and half the pan? Yeah, so, yeah, Bill Clinton. Yeah, I said, I said 1996. And, yeah, after that, a lot happened. And the Islamic Revolutionary Court in Urumia gave me three years prison, and then they sent me in exile to Boucher University

from the north of Iran to south of Iran. And then totally 19 times I was arrested for 14 years when I was in Iran since 6. to 30 when my fight was happening against this regime. I wrote several books. Would you leave Iran? No, when I was still, I wrote a couple of my books when I was in prison. In Iran.

Yes, in Iran. And then for the book called Inja Chahnis, this place is not a ditch. For that book, I was nominated to get the Paulo Coelholyle Prize. and immediately when it was published to the newspapers that the morning after the M.OIS again, they came to my house, they arrested me. And under torture, at least 50 bones in my body have been broken. And then 2004 Amnesty International released in a statement

and called me the first witness of... white torture in prison. I was under that type of torture, psychological torture by IRGC in their branch at Ishratabad prison, the center of IRGC in Tehran. And it was a lot. A lot happened to me. And finally, after five years and three months of prison, I had eight years prison and I had two open cases. I had death penalty on the top of my head because of being infidelious. and the enemy of God and these type of things. Then... At that time, what is your faith? What do you believe in at that time? I was Muslim.

You were Muslim. Back then, I was Muslim. And I was secular, but I was Muslim. And then in 2006, I escaped prison, even prison with the help of, believe it or not, defense department, Mr. Richard Pearl, who became kind of my godfather in Washington, D.C.

He helped me to escape from prison with the help of some of our friends. I want to name Manda Shahbazi and say hi to her wherever she is right now. And during the Bush administration in 2006, I came to Washington, D.C. I started my journey here. Then I started the campaign for oil sanction. It was not popular when I was talking about it back then in 2006. Oil sanction and clean up the voice of America. These were the two big campaign I started.

And then, yeah, I met President Bush. I met then later President Trump. I was invited to speak at President Trump's house. And I gave him a signed copy of proposed draft constitution for future Iran, which me and my team in National Iranian Congress, we drafted. I created the national Iranian. I founded the National Iranian Congress. And a lot of other things I have done.

And the last two things, which I'm very proud of those two, it's the book, Comrade Aitola, in 2016, I published that book. It became bestseller inside Iran. It was sold 3 million copies in underground market in Iran. And it changed the course of kind of history of looking at Iran because in this book I revealed Iranian supreme leader himself, Ali Khomeini, was the agent of the trained agent of KGB. I guess you had Reza Pahlavi here on your show,

and he mentioned how many he was at KGB's agent in Patjus Lumumba University. He has seen it in my book, Comrade Ayatollah. And then my last book came last year. It's called The Spirit of the Constitutional Law, which is about the future Iran. Comrade Ayatollah was about the past. To know our past, what was that, what happened. Right, right.

And this one is about the future which we are going to talk about it. Fantastic. How about yourself, Doc? I had a much less grammarist life than Amir did. I grew up in Iran and did my undergraduate in physics in Aramir University of Technology. Today is called Sharif University. He's a premier university in Iran of science and engineering. And then I came to the United States. I did my PhD in nuclear physics.

And then I became a professor of physics for a few years. and then after a few years of working in physics and doing research in physics, I moved to Ohio State University, where I completely switched from physics to medicine, but I never forgot the stuff I learned in physics and brought all of that technology and learning of how to look into mysteries of nature, into physics. So I worked in the Department of Radiology at Ohio State University for eight years,

And there, in 1996, 30 years ago, we built the world's most powerful MRI machine operating at a field of a Tesla that could look into the human brain and see fine structures that had never been seen before. And then developed a technology called functional MRI that, you know, you can take images from the brain and apply a lot of physics and mathematical modeling and construct the human mind from the brain images. that that proved to be extremely useful in understanding the inner working of how the human brain, actually how the human mind works. And then I was recruited to Columbia University, Department of Psychiatry,

and I've been there for the last 25 years. There we are using that technology, the technology of using fMRI or functional MRI to construct the human mind from the brain and then compare the mind of a person with psychiatric disorder, with a normal person, and find with pinpoint accuracy exactly what part of the brain is not doing its job, and then you can treat regions locally rather than global. You know that one of the biggest problems we have in today's medicine is that all medicine is really global.

You know, if you have a headache and you take a Tylenol, the Tylenol doesn't just go to your head. It goes from your head to your toe, only a small portion of it goes to your head. and what we call side effect is the effect of medicine where it's not supposed to go. So we have developed in the last 20 years, we have developed the technology that we are offering it in our clinic in New York that deals with psychiatric disorders at a very, very local fashion,

and we are treating patients with basically no side effect. You know that the psychiatric drugs have a lot of side effects. So that's my scientific life. But then I've been very active. Arjamaire University or Sharif University, where I did my undergraduate in physics, is the not only premier science and engineering university, also a premier political activist university. When I was in that university, basically half of the university students were supporters of one armed group, leftist armed group, Marxist leftist arm group, and the other half were the

supporters of an Islamic armed group. The leftist armed group was called what? The Marxist leftist was called Cherikai Fadoyi of Khaw, and the Islamic leftist group was called Mujahideen Khalk. Mujahideen today, some would say M-E-K. M-E-K, that's right, that's right. And even back then, you know, in all the debates in the university, I was pro-monarch, pro-economic development

against the leftist overthrowing revolution, I was telling my friends, you know, in my classmate, that, you know, going for revolution, there's no guarantee that you would be able to get your ideals. I know that, you know, all your students, you are very idealist. You love the country, but this is not a good approach to achieve your goals. And the best way to achieve greatness for Iran is really going through gradual economic development. I was telling them that, you know, basically there are two approaches to taking a third world country to a first world country. Either you go through economic development and after you approach certain degree of development, then political development, which we call democracy, will come at the end of political development. That's one approach.

The other approach is start right off start with political development and start with democracy and then expect that the economic development will pursue political development. And I was telling them that if you showed me one country in the world that went through the second path, the path that you guys are pursuing, then I will follow you. You cannot find. You know, you had your ideals with the countries in the former Soviet Union, you know, Russia, Romania, the so-called Eastern Europe, and none of them achieved the ideal societies that they wanted to achieve. But compared to that, look at the first model.

Every country that is going from the second board and the third world to the first world, like South Korea, like Singapore, like Malaysia, like Turkey, like Indonesia, they go from a third war country to a first world country through that model. Economic development first, political development next. And even today, I think not only just for Iran, for all the countries who are seeking, you know, construction or ideal society, that is the right approach. Economic development first, then political change, whatever may be.

Okay, so that's great. Now the audience kind of has an idea, your background. Thank you for doing that. both of you. Let me ask another question. So 1979, the regime falls, the Shah leaves. Khomeini comes in. We've all seen the video when he comes in plain lands. They had to eventually move him, go from a different direction. Why is it that

Mohamed Reza al-Shah Pahlavi was able to rule Iran for 37 years? Khomeini comes and takes over. And for 47 years, nothing's changed. From 1979 till today, There's been many, many, many opportunities to change. Obama yesterday on a podcast came out, Rob. I don't know if you guys saw this clip or not. Yesterday on Potsie of America, Obama said he wishes he would have done something else with, by the way, if you haven't seen this, the 2009-2010 movement.

This is a comment. He said, when is this clip, Rob? October of 2022. It started resurfacing yesterday. Okay. So there's another clip of Obama, but this is the one that we can go to as well. he said he wishes in 2009, 2010, he would have intervened, right? He would have gotten involved.

He would have done certain things. He says he didn't. Big mistake that he made in his career. Okay. Well, let's go to today. 79 today, many chances. Nothing's happened. This is the closest we've ever been from 79 till today.

What's different about today and why has nothing happened last 47 years? I'll come to you first. Patrick, honestly, I don't want to say nothing. thing happened because in 1979, this is the people, I'm sure your audience, they don't know and they will be surprised about that. In 1979, 98% of Iranian society, they were considering themselves as Muslim. 98%. Today, with all the survey we are doing, it's not easy to do the service. and know what is happening, but we can have the idea.

95% of the people in Iran today, they are saying we are not Muslim anymore. It's a huge change from 98% saying we are Muslim in 1979, and today 95% saying we are not Muslim. We are doing a lot of surveys. But how do you know that number? The number 95%. I know it's a big number.

It's, we are our surveys. We are doing the surveys, and the survey are telling us. Who's doing the survey? It's we in our organization, because it's impossible in Iranian society right now. The regime doesn't let any survey to be done. I just want to make sure when the audience is watching this, when we're saying these numbers,

we know according to a survey that you've done, the numbers are now 95% you're saying don't support Islam anymore. It's not one survey. It's the surveys, at least. Got it. Hundreds of surveys. That's a massive turnaround.

Why is that? That's the biggest achievers. of our nation. Right. Iran is the first nation in Islamic world, which is coming out of this virus. Up to now, maybe our activists, political activists,

either they didn't know what is exactly the problem. They thought the problem are some politicians, the problems are the hardliners or reformists or this or that. No, the problem is Islam in Iran. I'm not saying that. Montesquieu said that in his book, The Sprit of the laws, that's the part.

Even at law school, they are missing that part of Montesquieu's statement. Montesquieu says Iran was shining in the world as Persian Empire until Islam came to Iran. When Islam attacked Iran, Iran went down and never could. could come up. It was 276 years ago, I guess, when Montesquieu said that in his book, and everybody ignored that. And right now, the new generation in Iran, they realized, yeah, the problem we have in Iran is Islam. We had this problem during the Shah's time. It's the 120th anniversary of Iranian constitutional revolution. And the first constitution was drafted.

in Iran, Islam was the official religion. And then Islam was the source of all the laws. And we should have five grand Ayatollah to look at all the laws passing by the Congress to make sure that it's not against Islam. Islam was the problem. And now, during this protest, that's the reason the new generation, they burned.

more than 700 mosques, Islamic seminaries, and everything smelled Islam, they burned more than 100,000 Quran all over Iran. That means the generation they passed it. We need it. The Islamic Republic of Iran was a religious dictatorship. That's the most dangerous type of dictatorship. It was not easy to get.

get read of them. And I have some issue. I want to let Dr. Kanga, who is his brilliant mind to talk about that, but I want to just add this one. In 1979, Patrick, it was not a revolution. To me, based on my book, Comrade Ayatollah, based on 700 pages of documents and facts, the thing happened in in 1979 in Iran was a Russian coup deta. It was different factions have been working together to bring down the Iranian king, and it was the job of Soviet Russia. KGB played huge role to bring Mullahs in power, an Iranian core and Supreme Leader, Ali

Khomeini, who was trained in Patris Lumumba University, KGB's training center since 1964 to 1968. And many other mullahs who are in power, they have been trained. That's documented. That's documented. Even I send a team to Patrice Lumumba University in Moscow. I send a team from Texas State University to that university in Moscow in 2012. They brought the document for me and they brought the list from inside the school.

They brought for me the list of Iranian graduates. And Supreme Leader's name was there. Mahmoud Abbas's name is there too. The Palestinian... liberation organization movements. Yeah, it's, it's Soviet Union have been involved very much in Middle East, in Africa, in South America, and Iran was their biggest achievement

to bring down Iranian king, who was the greatest ally and friend of the United States. They scored that, and they made Iran a minion for Soviet Russia. And that was not a revolution. It was Soviet Union. and it was not just the Mullahs. It was some other help from inside the palace. I don't know if we want to talk about it or not,

but let's pass it. I want to, Dr. Can get me. Let me stay on this, and I'm going to come to you, Doc, as well, is when you're saying that, the mosque, it's important for the audience to see this, Rob, if you want to pull this up, the Iranian government themselves have reported that 60 mosques, 61 mosques,

were torched in Tehran alone during the unrest. Just one city. This is just one city. This is not the entire country. This is just one city. And you're seeing these pictures. Now, imagine what it is across the country. The numbers you see are staggering.

So there's credibility to what you're talking about. But again, going back to it, since 79 till today, why has the regime been able to hold so much control and the Iranian people haven't been able to go back to being free again? I'd like to look at this problem from 35,000 high. I want to compare Christianity with Islam. Christianity is a religion that's 2,000 years old. Islam is a religion that's only 1,400 years old.

So you can say that Islam is 600 years younger than Christianity. When did Christianity go through reformation? 600 years ago, right? So it seems to me like when religion, religions become 14 to 1,500 years old, they come out of adolescence and they become mature. They realize that because of the fact that religion is a base of psychological comfort for the masses,

it doesn't mean that they're entitled to political power. You know that reformation in Europe didn't just happen. It happened after the 30-year wars, after the things much worse than what's happened. in the Middle East happened in Europe. The Catholic Pope was ruling Europe with iron feasts, just like Ayatollah Khomeini and Khomeini in Iran. They were torturing people, they were massacring,

burning people at stake, and all of that. And all of that, all of that atrocity that was done in the name of God but using the political power, eventually brought reformation into the church itself, and that's what Martin Luther did and the rest is really history. history. So I think that Islam also has arrived at a point that it became a good candidate for political power. Iranian revolution was the birth prank of reformation in Islam. In my opinion, Iranian revolution was inevitable, regardless of who did it, regardless of the participation of

regardless of Guadalupe, regardless of the American position on it, all of that had a little part in it, but the story is much bigger than 1979 and 1357, bigger than Ayatollah Khomeini, bigger than Khomeini, bigger than all of those people. There is a force that in an evolutionary manner for 1,400 years, have been brewing just like Christianity in Europe, and eventually arrives at a maturation that has to basically disqualify itself from political power. That's what happened in Europe. Eventually, Christianity became a matter of personal belief and political power became decoupled from religion, right?

What we call separation of church and state. Where do you think these people came up with this idea of separation of church and state? Separation of church and state in Europe became inevitable. Otherwise, Europe would have been burning for the following 600 years. And Europeans decided enough is enough. And the only way, the only culprit they found

to stop the burning, and stop the mayhem in Europe was separation of church and state. Decoupled the political power from the personal conviction that we call religion. Islam is going through the same maturation, the same adolescence, the same reformation in the Middle East, and it's been going on for the last 47 years. You're saying, you're asking us why Islamic Republic

is lasting so long. I will ask you the exact opposite question. Actually, reformation in the world of Islam is happening much faster than it happened in Christianity. Historically, after Islam invaded Iran and conquered Iran and ransacked Iran, for 200 years, the silence of 200 years that prevailed Iran, the glorious Persian Empire that was in existence for 1,000 years,

prior to the invasion of Islam, for 200 years, Iranians were forbid of practicing their own religion of Zerastricht. rassianism and speaking the language of Farsi until two centuries after this invasion, Iranians began to revolt against the Arab conquerors. And it took us from 200 years after invasion of Islam till 1979, before Islam became a candidate for political power in the modern world. And the fact that Iranians not only didn't speak Arabic, they also didn't speak Arabic, they also invented their own branch of Islam called Shiites. So invention of Shiites was a sign of

revolt by Iranian people against the Arab conquerors whose religion was Sunni Islam. Okay, so this is a very long historic event that's been brewing in that part of the world for 1,400 years and it manifested itself in the 1979 revolution. But prior to that, I mean, something that we refer to as the golden age of Islam between 9th century to 12th century, where all the glorious things happened in Islam where Baghdad was the center of scientific. Baghdad was today's Silicon Valley,

and today's Paris. You know, all the philosophers, all the mathematicians, all the astronomers, you know that, you know, if you study astronomy, if you look at the map of the stars, a vast majority of the stars' names are Arabic. All the astronomers and astrophysics know that. And in that golden age of Islam was because Islam was going through the same evolutionary path that I told,

the Christianity also did independently. And Iranians played a huge role in that 300 years, so-called the Golden Age of Islam. And even today, Iranians and Iran are playing a huge role in bringing reformation in Iran. in Iran and in the world of Islam. Iranian revolution was an outcry for reformation that needed to happen in the world of Islam. Unfortunately, we had to pay the price for it. Iran is the only country in the history of mankind,

which is going through two revolutions at the same time. Revolution of reforming Islam and revolution of bringing democracy into the Islamic world. So a political revolution in parallel with a religious revolution, revolution. No country has ever done that at the same time. Germany did it, not at the same time, about 100 years apart. And look how sweetly Germany was rewarded. Germany is the beating heart of the European economy, not only beating heart of the European economy, but also all the enlightenment, Enlightenment movement, Kant, Montesquieu, and all of these women, John Stewart,

meet all of these guys who came up with the idea of democracy and separation of church and state, they basically came from Germany. So Germany had the same similar achievement as we did, except that they did it almost 100 years apart. Iranians are doomed to do both of these things at the same time. This is, in my opinion, one of the reasons, probably the only reason that's why this regime has lasted this long. And at the end of this regime, whether it happens next week or next month,

courtesy of President Trump, I think Iran is going to achieve something historic, monumental. Reform Islam and establish a democratic society within the world of Islam, which is not in conflict with the personal conviction of people, which is religion. Let me ask you this on this question. So the two revolutions that you're saying are happening at the same time, is it by the same group or two different groups? Two different groups.

So can you explain both groups that are causing a revolution? So the so-called reformists, in Iran, they are doing the job of reformation of Islam. They are so attached to Islam and their conviction that at the same time that they like democracy and they would like to make Iran a democratic society, but they don't want to abandon their religion. So those people will eventually look at the religion

and see the part of the religion, the verses of Goran, which is incompatible with today's world, and they throw them out, or they kind of leave them silent verses of Goran, and take the rest of the part that's not really incompatible with modern world, and call that the religion, and they create a religion very similar to Protestantism, right? And then the rest of the society, which sees this amazing force, economic force, political force, environmental force that is basically destroying Iran,

the rest of the society will go down the path of democratization of Iran. And I think I can see that these two paths are happening at the same time. Sometimes they are helping each other. Sometimes, unfortunately, they're hurting each other. But eventually they have no way other than cooperating with each other and bringing, making Iran the first country in the Islamic world that brings true democracy that becomes a role model for the rest of the Middle East and Islamic world. Got it.

So for the average person that's trying to follow what you're saying, Could it be that there are two different revolutions, but some of the people from here and here are on the same page on the other side of the movement? Yes. They are. Okay, so who is on the reformist side? You know, if you bring it to us in a way

that is chewable for American people. Is it the Democrats and the who, you know, if there's a way for you to bring, is it the, you know, certain religious sects that are unifying together to go against it? Who would it be? You know, there is, a principle, there is a rule, there is a constitutional article in Islamic Republic's constitution

called Valiate faqi or jurisprudence of the clergy's of the clergy's of the clergy's religious jurisprudence, basically, that's how I can translate the Valiate Faki. So Vailiata Faki basically means that the highest authority in the religion of Shiite, not only he is qualified to occupy the position of the highest quality of the religion, he is also entitled the highest political office in the land. So there are people within the clergy, within the Islamic establishment who are opposed to that idea.

They want to separate the jurisprudence, the position of the jurisprudence from the position of the political leader. Ayatollah Sistani in Iraq is one of them. He's not very vocal, but he, is opposed to that. There are many Ayatollahs in Iran who are also opposed to the mixing of the jurisprudence, the position, the highest authority of the religion and highest authority of the politics.

Ayatollah Muntazeri at the very beginning of the revolution was one of those people who opposed, even though, ironically, he came up with the idea of Valiata Fāai'i, but later on when he saw Vala'iata Fārii in action, he became opposed to it, but he became subject to the wrath of Ayatollah Khomeini, and he died in anonymity and under house arrest. Basically, he spent his last 10 years of his life under house arrest. Even today, there are clergy's or civilians, Iranians with very strong conviction on Islam that they are convinced that there should be a separation of church and state.

Political power should be completely decoupled from religion, because if they insist on keeping them together, they won't be able to establish the caliphate in the Middle East. They would achieve exactly the opposite. They will destroy Islam in Iran if they insist on the unification of the jurisprudence and the political leadership of running society. So this is not something that Iranians invented. I told you that five, six hundred years ago it happened in Europe.

it's a natural evolution of religions who try to capture political power. Got it. And what are you yourself, by the way, just out of curiosity? Well, I'm a physicist, so I don't believe in God. You don't believe in God?

Okay, so that's great to know. That's it, where you're lean, because you're neutral. You're right here. You're not making anybody happy. No, no, no, no. So you're not an agnostic. You're an atheist.

Yes. Okay, fantastic. Okay, that's good to know. Rob, can you do me a favor? Let's bring it up to now. President Trump yesterday is being interviewed. I believe he's on Air Force One, and he's being interviewed, and he's being asked about what's going to happen with Iran.

Here's his response, and I want to get your answers on, should America intervene or not, and if no or yes, why? Go ahead, Rob. We have a big force going toward Iran. I'd rather not see anything happen, but we're watching them very closely. I stopped 837 hangings. on Thursday. They would have been dead. Everyone would have been hung. This is like from a thousand years ago. This is an ancient culture. Very smart people, by the way, but it's an ancient culture.

837, mostly young men were going to be on hump on Thursday. And I said, if you hang those people, you're going to be hit harder than you've ever been hit. It'll make what we did to your Iran nuclear look like peanuts at an hour before this horrible they was going to take place they canceled it and they they actually said they canceled it they didn't postpone it they canceled it so that was a good side but we have a uh an armada we have a massive we have a massive fleet heading in that direction and maybe we won't have to use it we'll see okay so should should the u.s intervene or should they not? Why, why not? Amir? Definitely it should happen.

And we are not talking about boots on the ground. Nobody is talking about that. But attacking the institution of this regime, the thing the same as 12 days war, Israel could just continue that until the end of that regime. When President Trump, at the 13th day, just called Benjamin Netanyahu and asked him for the ceasefire. For the ceasefire decision, it was just President Trump and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Iranian regime was not involved at all. And President Trump decided to do that, and he mentioned that because they didn't want to see chaos. Our opposition should be ready to introduce the alternative. And we were not, I guess, ready to just give him, give President Trump a good option. And the options have been out, President Trump didn't like those options as alternatives. And that was the problem. And it's definitely U.S. should go and hit. President Trump, when he was mentioning about 870 some people supposed to be hanged and they didn't.

The case is I'm sure President Trump will get more information about that. We got it sooner because we are directly in touch with the people inside Iran. Our family or our friends are there. And we can get the information a lot faster than CIA even. And we know that all those people, most of them, they are already dead. They are dead under torture. They are not hanged. The regime said, okay, we are not hanging them, but we are killing them under torture.

And they did it. And the number, 870 some people, we are talking about, confirmed up to now, at least 70,000 people, protested. have been killed in the street brutally. They were beheaded. They were shot in a certain area, which those animals inside the IRGC and Basis, they wanted to torture people to death,

to make sure they will suffer and die in the street. And we have seen a lot of these. these videos. The videos are coming right now, and I'm sure President Trump will get all the reports about that after he arrived from Switzerland, and his position will be a lot more stronger against that regime. All the equipments are there right now, and I'm pretty sure President Trump is going to hunt the Supreme Leader and to destroy everybody who have the government. been involved in that bloodbath, which is unheard of in human history. That level of brutality happened in just 48 hours two weeks ago.

And yes, definitely U.S. should hit them. During the midnight hammer, it was amazing job of President Trump and U.S. Army, U.S. Air Force, the B-2 bombers, which President Trump loves those and have the model of it on his desk. And yeah, we need something like that on Supreme Leader's bunker. And definitely it should happen. And I'm sure Israelis, they are helping to locate Supreme Leader right now, to make

American job a lot easier. And all the IRGC and Basij stations should be hit. The entire regime's missiles facilities all around the country should be hit. At the same time, and Israel said they are capable to do that, and I'm sure they are capable to do that with the help of U.S. Army. It should happen definitely. And it's going to happen. It's going to happen.

We need to think about and talk about the next step, which in our organization, National Iranian Congress, for years we have been talking about today, and what should be next. But Patrick, I want to go back just for briefly to be disagree with all the respect with Dr. Kangaloo regarding Islam. Islam is not reformable. It's impossible.

To me, as an ex-Muslim, Islam is not a religion. Islam is a virus. It's a virus. you cannot go and negotiate with the virus and say, oh, okay, please just kill a little softer. And the Islam has its own constitution. It's called Quran. The constitution, you cannot change Quran.

The Quran is there. Islam is the religion, they are saying, to govern. Christianity is not like that. You cannot find any other religion. to say we are here to govern. They are saying we are here to guide the people toward God. Am I right? Islam is the only one, says we are here to govern.

And look at Prophet Muhammad. They are calling it Prophet Muhammad. I'm not calling him. I want to use the word Charlie Kirk used for Muhammad. A pedophile. A warmonger pedophile. That's his story. And they are saying sunnet.

Muhammad's Sunnah. What was the Muhammad's Sunnah? To killing everybody, to start killing from his cousins, his family members, raping the girls at the age of six, they're saying, oh, no, that was not six, that was nine. Oh, just how shameless you are. And then to going and kill the entire Jewish population in a Jewish town called Yassir. which they welcomed him, and then Muhammad, after killing all the Jewish, mass murdering them, then changed the name of the town to Medina to Nabi, and they are doing exactly the same thing. They have done it then to Iran. With who? Ali have done it. The head of Shiaism, I don't believe Iranian made Shiaism

to just bring some type of civil war. inside Islam. No, Shia-ism. Iranian have been fighting with Islam all these last 1,400 years. And let's go back to Montesquieu. That's the last point on this subject. Montesquieu said in his book, The Spirit of the Laws, he said, we have three type of government. He said, either we have republic, or we have monarchy, or we have despotic. It's a very type of government. It's a republic. It's, one of these three, any governments in the world can be subject of one of these three. And Montescu said, the monarchists in the world, he says the Christian Catholics, they are going for monarchy. Normally, it's in his book, the spirit of the laws.

And he said, Christian Protestants, they are going for republic. And you know when he was saying that in his book, we didn't have republic in the world. 40 years later, the first constitutional republic came up from a Protestant nation, America. And Montesquieu was right. And the third one, Montesquieu said, Islam just brings despotic dictatorship. And he said, you cannot fix it. because Islam in its own nature is about dictatorship. And Montesquieu is talking a lot about Quran, about the way Islam teaches and says,

it's impossible with Islam, you can get anything but dictatorship. These are part of the spirit of the laws that it's missing in all of our laws. schools, we should find out why, but that's true. Where do you stand with this? I think the story of human beings is the story of life in nature. Nature is not hospitable to life in this vast universe of ours. We still, and we've looked a lot, we still haven't found another form of life. So for all practical purposes, as far as we can see, we are the only form of life, at least in the Milky Way galaxy.

And the reason for that, the reason why life is such an unlikely thing is because nature is not favored for the formation of life. Nature is very inhospitable to life. So we have to work against these laws of nature, which all are stacked against us, from the environment. You know that, let me give you a simple example. The Earth, the third rock from the sun, right? The sun is a furnace that's creating nuclear particles, right? The sun, what we call the sun, is made of hydrogens that is constantly converting to helium.

Very simple. Two hydrogens combine, make helium. In the process, they create light, which we get from the sun, but a lot of very harmful nuclear nuclear. nuclear particles, the so-called solar winds, and they're all flowing towards the Earth. There is this little weak magnetic field that surrounds the Earth, right? These secret and hidden and invisible magnetic field lines around the Earth, they capture all these harmful particles that come from the Sun, and they start circling around these magnetic field lines,

and they're pushed towards the North Pole. and at the North Pole they collide and they create what we call Aurora. Aurora Australia's in the South, in Antarctica, and Aurora Borrellas in the north. If it wasn't for the magnetic field lines, life would have never formed on this planet. So life is a very unlikely, low probability thing to happen. And humans as they evolved on this planet, they had to put up with this unfavorable and inhospitable environment. an un-reputable environment.

One of the things that we had to put up with is, you know, in every human being, from the moment you wake up to the moment you go to bed, there are these three questions that are circling in our head. The three questions, they're fundamental existential questions. When I tell you those questions, you might say, it has never occurred to me, but it's happening in the back of your head,

and it guides everything in your life. Those three questions are, where we came from, What is the purpose to life? And how is it all going to end? Different people come up with different solutions and different answers to this question, right? And these questions, we can go back 10,000 years, 100,000 years,

and we can look into different answers that human beings have come up with, and they're wondering, what are we doing on this planet? We are constantly dealing with existential crisis. crisis. And religion is the best answer that human beings came up to give an answer to those three existential questions. Where did we come from? 2000, 10,000 years ago, the best question, the best answer they could come up with was there must be a creator because everything else that we see around us has a creator. This table was built by someone, TV was built by someone else.

So based on a very primitive experience that we have in our life, we came up with the idea of the creator. So that's exactly where we were looking for a solution is where the problem starts. We basically switch, we trade one problem with another problem. So all religions really were, I don't want to call it a miserable attempt, but a desperate attempt by human beings to answer those fundamental questions. Christianity, Islam, Judaism, they all came up with their own version of, there is this old man with the white beard in the sky who created the world, you know, out of six days from the rib of the Adam and Eve,

and all of that story, those stories. And so, but one thing that these religions had in common is that the source of right and the source of power is God. And anyone on earth who is entitled to, to power or captures power should have some kind of a relationship or some kind of authorization from him. So the source of power was God, the source of right was God. This happened until reformation in Europe

and what reformation led into enlightenment and enlightenment led into industrial revolution and then here we are. So in enlightenment, this brilliant European thinkers like Kant and Montesquieu, they said, wait a minute, why? should right belong to God? What if God didn't exist? Nobody has really seen this God. We have learned enough about human capability that we should really say, right, belongs to humans,

not belongs to God. The basis of democracy, liberal democracy, all the industrial progress, all the economic success is that, where we went from the source of power is God, and his representatives on earth are entitled to rule over the people's life to this new idea that right belongs to humans. The right belongs to human is at the basis of human right, democracy, and liberal democracy. What does liberal democracy? Liberal democracy means human beings are free. They have to be liberated from the constraints.

From whose constraints? From God's constraint, because he is the biggest concentrator. of human being. He is the one who is constantly limiting our freedom. He's the one who says, the people who are serving me, the Ayatollahs and the clergy and the Pope and all of those and the priests, they have certain right and they should have a certain position in society that entitles them to all the atrocities that they did during the Reformation and during the Pope's role in Europe and during the Ayatollah's rule in Iran. So what Europeans discovered that going from the right belongs to God, to the right belongs to humans.

What I don't want to do is I don't want to go too deep into religion. I want to stay on the topic of Iran. If you want to go to the point of Iran, because the question was, should U.S. intervene, will they? And then I know he kind of threw you off because he debated the religion thing. But if you want to stay on that topic, then we'll be, we have one hour left here. So I want to make sure we address those issues. So the reason why I gave you this five-minute comparison between Christianity and Islam

and the roots of how liberal democracies and democracy and the formation really happen in Europe and it's happening in in the Middle East now. I think the players in what's happening in the Middle East, they have no options. Ayatollah Khomeini has no option but continuing on his path because he received his authority and his mandate from being an Ayatollah, the representative of God on earth, and if he switches side tomorrow, nobody believes that he believes in the human right

and he is going to denounce his God. Because going from representation of God on earth to a liberal Democrat, it means you have to first do one thing, what Amir already did, denouncing God, right? I guess you haven't denounced God. No, I love God. He loves an imaginary...

My religion is mathematics. Okay. So you're an agnostic or you're an atheist? I look, it's totally different story because it's the thing I'm telling you, if you ask Iranian new generation, most of them they are saying our religion is mathematics and we love God. We are not anti-God. We love God and our nation are searching for the next step, which it's a huge movement of converting from Islam to Christianity today in Iran. It's huge movement. And it's the entire nation. They are trying to find the next place they should be in.

And yeah, a lot of my friends, entire my family, they converted to Christianity. And a lot of my friends, they are trying hard to save me and bring me to the world of Christianity. I love the message of Jesus because it's about love. It's all about love. What's wrong with it? And when you go to Islam, it's all about hate. It's all about killing. And that's the reason.

But in general, yeah, I believe in creator. I believe in a creator who just wrote all this formula, beautiful formula of the physics. Physics and mathematics. Yeah. And to go back to the question, tactics question, about the U.S. attacking Iran. So the reason why I told you all of that is because I think

the U.S. will attack. Basically, President Trump has no choice but attacking the Ayatollah. I gave you the reason for my declaration of the inevitability of invasion of the Islamic Republic

from the historic religious evolutionary point of view, but there is another aspect to it, the international politics and the standing of the United States in the world and the conflict that the United States is having and is resolving with China and with the rest of the world. I think that election of Donald Trump was the best thing that happened to the United States. If it wasn't for his

election, not only the despots of the world like Khomeini and Assad and Xi Jinping and Putin would have really eaten our lunch, but also that the United States, the United States, the United States, States, you know, we are kind of an isolated island, two oceans between us and the rest of the world, the quality of life and whatever we have stood for and whatever we have achieved in the last 250 years would have vanished in a very short time. And if I get a chance to, I'll tell you exactly how it would have happened if Trump was not elected and why the mandate with which Donald Trump was elected to office, leaves him no choice but invading Islamic Republic. I want to add one more thing about why US should attack.

And you mentioned about Khomeini, the supreme leader, is just getting the mandate from God. I'm disagree with that. Because Khomeini himself is not a real Ayatollah. He's not even a real Hujatul Islam. And he has a long history of doing a lot. Other things, and I don't know if you heard about it when he was 17 in Iraq, in Najaf. One of the Iraqi's parliament member, Fa'iq Sheikh Ali, he's a very, very well-respected parliament member in Iraq. He mentioned on his ex that Ali Khomeini at the age of 17 was a gay guy in Najaf.

And then he said, yeah, the reputation of Islam is online. And they called the Fauch Sheikh Ali's grandfather called the grand Ayatollah in Qom's seminary and asked him to tell Ali Khomeini's father, please come and just grab your son because it's the reputation of Islam is gone right now. Over here, the thing he is doing everywhere with all the Arab guys. But Khomeini was not at all a religious person. How many is agent of Russia? He's an agent.

Do you want to search the name Smith Hampston, the U.S. ambassador to Kenya in 1988? If I'm not mistaken, I'm using just the memory. June 18, June, I guess 11, 1988, he wrote an article for observer observer reporter. That was the first article I could track. It was one week after Khomey became supreme leader. And he said,

Ali Khomey is a graduate from Patris Lumumba University. And he said, we in United States, we are in trouble. Because if he stays in power, Ali Khomey stays in power, Iran will be the minion of Soviet Union. And we cannot do anything because he is a trained agent of Soviet Russia. The first one mentioned Patris Lumumba University was Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. When he was 30, July 1979, a couple of months after Iranian so-called Islamic Revolution, Iranian couped the top, Russian coup d'etop,

Benjamin Netanyahu had a conference, and in that conference, he brought up the story of Patris Lumumba University and said the Russians, they are training the future world leaders. But they didn't know Iranian mullahs have been subject of that training. And because of that, how many he cannot say to no to Russia until he is in power. Everybody in Iranian politics, the both side, hardliner and the reformists, they were in shock. They said it was a lot of opportunities. Obama wrote many love letters to supreme leader. Ali Khomeini and asked him, oh please, I want to be nice to you.

Just come to the table. Let's do this. And Khomeini just said no to all of it. President Trump, before the 12 days war, wrote a letter to Khomeini with some respect to him and said, you are a religious leader. Let's sit and talk. And Khomeini said no. And everybody was surprised. He said, why he's doing that?

It's a suicide because U.S. and Israel are going to destroy him. He cannot say no to Russia. Khomeini is the agent of Russia and for sure he should be taking out. If we want to see any change happening in Iran, the first step is to killing Ali Khomeini, which is going to happen. I'm guessing pretty soon. We are at the 47th anniversary of this regime. It's February 11th.

It's the 47th anniversary. How old are you? You are 48, 47. 47. 47, yeah. You were born three months, four months before. Yeah, before the, unscooked it up.

But, yeah, the 47th president of the United States, you mentioned that in one of your shows, too, should put end to the 47 years of chaos in Middle East and in the war. created by the agent of KGB Ali Khomeini. And it should happen. You know the thing nobody knows, Khomeini was the first supreme leader,

but the one who pushed to attack American embassy, there were two mullahs. It's in my book, Comrade Aetollah. It was Ali Khomeini and it was Musavi Chaui. Both of them trained at KGB's Patrice Lumas, is Patrice Lumumba University. You know who wanted to know what is inside American embassy in Tehran? It was KGB.

KGB wanted to see all those documents there, wanted to know from the newly created Islamic Republic who are in touch with the United States because they wanted to destroy those network of Americans inside Iran. and that was KGB's job. Supreme Leader should be killed as soon as possible. Now, killed, if somebody looks at patterns, you know, Trump killed Gassam Soleimani.

Trump didn't kill Maduro. They just took him hostage. But you're saying Chaminet's preferences for him to get killed instead of, you know, done what they did to Maduro? He should be killed the same as, you know, I heard, I don't want to reveal it. What would happen if they kill Ghani's? Khomeini. Oh, it will be the biggest celebration in Iran, in Middle East, and in Iran, all over the country, the people will go out, dance in the street, and he killed millions of

people in Iran. The people, the world, they don't know. When they are saying Iran, they think all 100 million Iranians, 90 million living inside Iran, 10 million in exile. They think we are part of this regime. No. 99% of the people are. of more than 99% of the society. We hate this regime. We have been fighting with this regime all these years. The world didn't know. And right now, because of these protests, these brutal killing,

finally, a lot of people in the world, they realize that. But what was that Pink Floyd? Is it Pink Floyd? The Roger Waters? He's the last person on planet. who, I don't know, how come he became that dumb to be the fan of Iranian supreme leader nowadays? Yeah, you're talking about the clip rob,

Roger Waters on Pierce Morgan defending and saying a lot of my friends, you know, want this thing to stay the way it is. Do you agree with them to killing Chalmanee? Are you on the same page with Amid? You know, I gave you a historic reason. why the Iranian Revolution happened and how it will end. I will give you an economic and geopolitical reason for that too.

Dr. Kangel, do you want not go there? Because then I don't want to go there to that forbidden part that I'm talking about. It's up to you. You know, I think the story is much bigger than Aitullah Khomeini or Khomeini or Carter or Guadal loop story is far, far, far bigger. And the way it happened is because of the reasons beyond these people and the way it will end is beyond these people and it has some historic reasons and some reasons that I would like to, I would like to kind of open in the next couple of minutes. So the United States and the free world, you know, after we won the World War II,

right we won the World War II and in the last 80 years after World War II we've had a world order the so-called international rule-based order basically it's the international rule-based order that we the United States of America established that in Britain Woods in 1947 we basically after we won the World War II

we called all the allies in Britain was New Hampshire and we told it 55.5.5. countries. And we told them, look, guys, up until the beginning of this World War II, there was another big guy in the world, British Empire. From today on, we are the big guys. And this is the way we are going to run the world. The way we're going to run the world from now on is like this. We, the United States, we established security of the free waters, of the blue waters of the world, the security for trade. The U.S. Navy and the U.S. military will give. guarantee security of trade between the nations.

The nations who are on our side will be, they don't need any insurance policies, they don't need to escort their merchant ships. We will provide that security with one caveat. You should be on our side. You cannot be on the bad guy's side. You cannot be on the Soviet side. This is what's called Britain Woods World or World Order

or the post-World War II order or the international rule-based order. Whatever you want to call it. And from 1945 till 1990, when Soviet Union exploded, imploded and collapsed, this was the world order. And in the background of the world order, we had some kind of an undeclared relationship between the United States and Russia, between the free world and the Soviet world and the socialist world, called the Cold War. The Cold War was something that actually we invented. We decided that we are not, we will never get engaged in a hot war with the Russians, with the Communists.

Instead, we are going to destroy them like this. We are going to impose a very expensive arms race that is so expensive that the economy, the socialist economy, cannot handle it. This was a brilliant move. We did that. And by 1990, when Gorbachev was the Secretary General of the Communist Party in Russia, that's exactly what happened. You know, in the last year of Gorbachev's rule in Russia, the last year of the rule of communism in Russia, the shelves in the grocery stores were empty. It was an empire, it was a military empire, but it was an economic basket case.

We did that. with resounding success. So Soviet Union, our enemy, disappeared. Between 1990, when Soviet Union collapsed, and 2010 in the 20 years. So prior to that, in the 30 years of the Cold War and the competition between the United States and Russia, we basically had a bipolar world, two superpowers.

America as the capitalist superpower and Russia as a socialist superpower. Between 1990 and 2010, in those 20 years, the world had only one superpower, one superpower. That 20 years, that two decades, is called the unipolar moment. It's called moment, even though it's 20 years, because it's very short in the context of the history of mankind.

In that 20 years, the United States was the biggest huncho, the only superpower in the world. We didn't take advantage of that unipolar moment. What we did in that unipolar moment, unfortunately, George Bush, George Bush was our president, and he thought that since we are the only superpower, there is no Russia to constrain us anymore, we can just invade anyone we want. So we invaded Afghanistan and we invaded Iraq, and in both of those cases, we were extremely successful. In Abraham Lincoln, it's really ironic, Abraham Lincoln that's heading towards Persian Gulf today,

was parked by off the Gulfs of Bahrain, 30 years ago, when tomahawks were lopped by Abraham Lincoln and they destroyed the Iraqi machinery in 93 hours. That was a big show for the military industrial complexes and a big success for America, but a big defeat for democracy. Because of the following reason. The Islamic Republic in Iran had two mortal enemies, Saddam Hussein on the West and Taliban in Afghanistan on the right. George Bush destroyed both of those enemies of the Islamic Republic and gave the Islamic Republic a mandate to rule unconstrained in the Middle East. In the following 20 years after the war in Iraq and Afghanistan ended,

the stocks of the Islamic Republic went through the roof. They started really projecting power, building Hezbollah and Hamas and the Houthis in Yemen. and basically destabilizing Iraq, preventing Iraqis from establishing the kind of democracy that the United States wanted to establish it, and, you know, building this corridor between Iran and Iraq and Syria, and, you know, feeding the Hezbollah with all kinds of powers, 40,000 missiles, and basically threatening the existence of the middle. All of that was the courtesy of the destruction of the Islamic Republic's, both enemies on either side of the country. So you see, instead of using that unipolar window of opportunity to solve the economic problems of capitalism,

and we had plenty of economic problems to solve. We did this, on the one hand. On the other hand, we decided to help China. This happened during Clinton. We decided to provide China with massive amount of capital and flow of technology to turn China, a third world country, into the economic superpower that it is now. Both of those mistakes have come back to hunt us now.

China, for a while, they played the game of being an ally and friendly. Is your point here? What's your point here? My point here is that the reason why President Trump came to office is because of this gigantic mistake that was done by Republicans and Democrats at the same time. And the problem didn't really go anywhere, didn't disappear. Today we have $37 trillion of national debt. We had $1.3 trillion of trade deficit with our major partners. America was heading for a total collapse for the edge of the cliff. And the American people realized that, they realize that, you know, they don't need Democrats or Republicans.

They need a fresh blood, a fresh outlook in the White House. And that's why Trump was elected as president. So Trump is, while he's solving those problems, the national debt, the tariffs. The tariffs is a brilliant move to solve the trade deficit, the national debt, and all of that. But along with his outlook to politics and international relations came this irreconcilable attitude towards the enemies of the United States, small or large. So when he identified Venezuela, Cuba, and the Islamic Republic, as the three countries that are allying with China and Russia to compete with the United States and undermine the U.S. economy, these countries that I just named, China, Russia, Venezuela, Cuba, and Islamic Republic,

they have started a campaign of de-dollarization in the world economy. They want to do away with dollar and replace dollar, with their local currencies, yen and rupee and real and all of that. If that happens, the economy of the United States will collapse. So he has to combat that problem, the de-dollarization of China, Russia, Iran, and Venezuela and Cuba. And should President Trump kill hominy? That was a whole seven minutes. You still didn't answer the question.

Well, it's not for me to say what. I know, but I'm asking your opinion. What is your opinion? I got a history lesson, but I'm one. I want to know what... Unfortunately, I don't think President Trump will listen to me. It's not about the president listening to you. This isn't about the president.

Audience is watching. We have you guys here. History lesson, I can go to History Channel and get it. If it's leading to an answer, Doctor, I want to know about it. Do you think there will be intervention? Should there be intervention or no? What do you think? I want to get your opinion.

First of all, I don't think what you heard from me, you will get it from history. Listen, you have history channel. To get it from who? You are not going to get it from History Channel. History Channel will give you the party line, not the analysis I just gave you. But I think, I will answer your question like this. I think President Trump will do what you ask me.

He's going to go after Khomeini. He's going to after the leadership of the Islamic Republic Revolutionary God, IRGC. He's going to go after the people who committed all these atrocities this in the last three weeks, and he cannot not do it. And since President Trump... He cannot not do it. He cannot not do it. Why can he not not do it?

He said that. President Trump just created the red line. It's not Obama. When Obama regarding Syria and Bashar Assad said, that's my red line. Don't cross it. And then Bashar Assad several times crossed that red line and nothing happened. President Trump, he's the man of his war. Everything he said happened.

And President Trump, three weeks ago, told the Iranian regime, if you kill any protester, I'm coming to punish you. I'm coming to help the people and rescue them. And they didn't kill one protester. They killed at least up to now, 70,000 protesters. They shot 400,000 protesters. And right now they have 3 million people under torture. And that's, I guess they passed a lot of red lines. And President Trump is the man of his word.

And, you know, the amazing thing is. Rob, is this 53 minutes ago or is this the one from 10 days ago? Right. Okay, that's from 10 days ago. Yeah, so, okay. Yeah, it's exactly his promise. Right. For this promise, he should go.

So then here's a question. The question is, by the way, a lot of, there's an, a lot of Americans are going to say, you know, it's none of our business. them alone, we shouldn't intervene. It is our business. Okay, tell me why it is our business. If the United States doesn't get rid of the Islamic Republic in Iran, the Islamic Republic is in a position to play a role in that access of evil,

China, Russia, Islamic Republic, Cuba, and Venezuela. He already took care of the Venezuela. There is a good reason. And he keeps talking about Cuba. And he doesn't talk that aggressively about the Islamic Republic, but I think he is thinking aggressively against Islamic Republic. because the stakes are high. If Islamic Republic as the major supplier of energy to China,

and China in the last 30 years have been eating our lunch, if the United States, and President Trump has a very strong position on China, he knows he has to contain in China. Do you know where Abraham Lincoln came from? From South China Sea. Its permanent mission is in South China Sea, because we are trying to contain it. are trying to contain China.

But one of the ways, actually more important than having Abraham Lincoln parked in South China Sea, would be to destroy the Islamic Republic. The destruction of the Islamic Republic is a prerequisite for America to compensate for all the economic damage that was inflicted on our economy by the past presidents, including Obama and Biden and W. and Clinton.

And, Dr. I want to add something. You ask why some viewers, they are saying why it should be it's not America's business. I want to refer the people to go and check about who created the State Department first. Do you know who he did it? Tell us. That was the first Secretary of State of the United States of America. The guy called Thomas Jefferson, which I love this guy. When I was a teenager, I read a book about his.

life and I said, oh my God, he is my role model. And I'm called the Persian Thomas Jefferson, by the way, after that. Thomas Jefferson came up with the idea called Empire of Liberty. Based on that idea, Empire of Liberty, he created the State Department and he said, yes, we got it. We got the Constitution of United States. we introduced the first constitutional republic to the world, but we have obligation for entire world. Maybe some people, they don't like this right now,

but they are saying, oh, it's America first. America first, this idea of America first is coming from Jefferson. And the world is a lot smaller than everybody think. those people who came and attacked in 9-11, New York, those World Trade Centers, those were not Americans? They came from somewhere, from the other side of the oceans. It was some ideology. If Americans, they want to live in peace,

they shouldn't think, oh, if we live in peace in our country, nobody is coming to knock our door and kill us. No, they are coming. I'm an American. and Iranian regime at least tried five times to kill me in Texas. I file a lawsuit against this regime. You can find that Fakhrava versus Islamic Republic in Washington, D.C. federal court.

It's the regime is trying. And FBI is protecting me right now because of all those attacked by IRGC. And entire Americans, and even American president, just that was a couple of days ago during the regime's protest on Iranian State TV, they said, next time, we will not miss the bullet.

That means they put the President Trump's picture there from that assassination attempt and mentioned that. That means regime says, yes, we did it the first time and we are going to do it again. Empire of Liberty means when American founding fathers, they found that it's about the natural rights of the people. It's life, liberty, equality, pursuit of happiness.

When we found it, we should give this gift to the world too. United Nations have been created based on that beautiful idea to help the world. Because if we don't help them, they are coming with their crazy ideologies to haunt us. and yes, definitely. Here's a question for you, Dr. Kangul. Because from where you were going,

I was going to ask you this next question. Is, so, Iran, who's protecting Iran right now against U.S.? Has the president set it up in such a way where right after Davos, he's talking about border of peace? He's been talking about this for a minute, and this is who joined us, and here's who joined us, and this is who is part of this,

and then you see who's not and who's out of it, right? right? Is the president doing this in a way where he's having conversations with China to not intervene with Iran? He's suffocating Russia with all the sanctions. Is Iran almost left on an island by themselves or will anybody support and defend them? Iran is greatly and aggressively supported by China and Russia. China is providing the software of suppression and Russia is providing the hardware of suppression, and Russia is providing the hardware of suppression. And that's the reason why this government has been so successful in putting down the protests. They are using some of the most sophisticated techniques for population control and for control of protests. But I don't think that either China or Russia, regardless of how hell-bent they are to keep this government in power,

I don't think they would be able to do that because of the fact that the United States has a president who has discovered a total. tool in the toolbox of the president that no other president had ever was even aware of this tool in the toolbox of the presidents. I mean, the presidents, when they come to office, they think that the tools they have to play with is Pentagon, State Department, Hollywood, soft power, and basically our relationship with our allies in Europe and the rest of the world. This president, brilliantly, he discovered a tool that is more powerful than all of those tools combined. And I'll tell you what that tool is. The United States has the world's largest consumer market.

We buy things more than the rest of the world. We buy it more than the size of our population, the largest consumer market in the world. Everyone in the world wants to have access to our consumer market. They want to build things and send it to America because America can afford to buy expensive things, you know? Look at how many monitors are around you. You know, in a typical house, in a typical house, you know, husband and wife, you can find multiple monitors, multiple computers, you know, the luxury and the affluence and the economic success is the reason why the size of our, of consumer market is huge.

And everybody wants to have access to it. And for the last 80 years, everybody had unhindered access to American products. They could send things here. They could build it. They could manufacture it cheaper than we can do it in this country. And this is how manufacturing in this country was hauled out completely. You know, during COVID, we didn't even have surgical gloves and masks. Very true.

And we were relying on them. We were relying on them because they can make it cheaper. That's right. That's right. And in addition to the fact that they could make it cheaper, there was no barrier against sending these cheap. products to the United States and basically putting out all the competition, all the local manufacturers of these consumer products.

Who's more important to China and Russia? A better relationship with U.S. or protecting Iran? That's a billion-dollar question. It's a trillion-dollar question. It's a trillion-dollar question. And I will tell you what? I will tell you what's my take on the answer to your question. And I say trillion-dollar because Iran's economy right now is $400 billion.

They should be at $2 trillion, $1.5 trillion with the $9. 92 million people they got, were leaving so much economy that everybody could benefit from. So President Trump identified this problem, identified this jewel access to American consumer market. And he came to every, as soon as he came to office. Actually, the first day he came to office, he started slashing tariff. Tariff, he said tariff is my most favorite word in the dictionary. The reason why is his most favorite word in the dictionary, is because in the last 80 years, we basically had no tariff for the export of products to this country,

and every country, including our allies in Europe and Canada and Mexico and Japan and Australia, they had huge tariffs against the export of American products to their countries. This is the reason why we have $1.3 trillion of trade deficit with the world. And that trade deficit has caused our... national death of 3.37. You know why I'm asking this question? The reason why I'm asking this question is because everything to me is sequencing.

You know, the kids and I were just introduced to this new game by Moral and Tikran called Sequence, where you have to find a sequence of matching the numbers with the cards and you have an opponent you have a teammate to play with. I'm thinking in the back of my mind when he said we're going to attack and then he didn't, Iranians were disappointed saying,

oh my God, why didn't he attack? He said he was going to, and then reports came out. Well, some stories were saying, but because Netanyahu said we're not ready yet. So let's hold off before we attack. Okay. Then you're sitting there thinking he's now talking about this right after Davos. But was he on his back of his mind making two additional phone calls to get Putin and Netanyahu to sit this one out? To say, hey, let us go through this?

I don't know. Because to me, it's an easier job if Iran knows they can't. called Daddy and Mommy, Putin and Xi Jinping, and say, hey, you know, this crazy guy's coming over here. The last time he killed my number two guy, I think they want to kill me this time. And then this time around Russia and China may have said, listen, you better figure this one out. This is how much we can help you.

But we're not willing to go X, Y, Z to support you. I don't know. But let's go to the next question. Here's the next question for both of you guys with the last 30 minutes that we have together. Reza Palavi. So if you look at, you know, commentary on replacement, I've had them on more. multiple times. You know, both times I've had him on. He's expressed the interest that he has zero interest to go back. We've all seen the clips, whether it's on my show or somebody else says,

why would I go to another country that's not free? I already have freedom. I wouldn't go to another country that's not free. I'm not going to go there. And then he flips. And he says, I'm willing to die for my compatriots and I'm willing to die for Iran. And I'm willing to go back, and I'm willing to do all this stuff. And then we saw the picture with him and Maria Karina Machado, right and to give him credit his videos were going viral in a big way on instagram pre them shutting down the internet because a lot of iranians were able to see it and i'm a guy a lot of people who say those are fake boss i know the game on what fake is and what real is these are real views he was getting what happens next your position with resopal palavi

and your position with res up palavi i'll come to you first who the sexiest topic um it's I have been a friend with him for 10 years. Are or were? I were. I was. I'm not. Were you on his team when he was? He trusted me a lot.

As a friend, as we work together to create the new organization for the opposition called National Iranian Council. and supposed to be National Iranian Congress, but for some reason he had some secret discussion with the reformist inside the country and decided to change the Congress to council, and that was a long story. But when I was still in Iran in prison,

I could manage for the first time to talk to him. And then he was interested to talk to me because we were on the news about the July 9, 1999, student uprising, 20 some years ago. And then our friendship was started from the time I was in prison still. And then I came to United States in 2006, and he was one of the first Iranian opposition figures who contacted me and came to have lunch with me.

And our friendship in person started, and we went together with President Bush's team to the International Conference of Democracy and Security. in Prague in 2007. And we both signed the charter to create the new organization, global defenders of freedom. And it's just my signature there, and Reza Pahlavi's signature in that chapter. And President Bush's signature is there,

Jose Mario Aznar, the former Prime Minister of Spain, and Nathan Sharanski, Watslov Howell was hosting us. I was there for 10 days in his palace. during that conference. And me and Reza Pahlavi, we worked a lot together. And at some point, I have seen it's not possible because he started sending letter to Iranian Supreme Leader with a nice word.

And I said, no, Reza, I don't want to do that. And he started talking behind the scene with IRGC and even cooperating with them. What do you mean about that? If you look at Mike Pompeo, Mike Pompeo's speech about that, the former head of CIA, former Secretary of State, strongly said Rezaa Pahlavi and his team, they are heavily collaborating with IRGC behind the scene.

And they said the American intelligence services, they know that. And Rezapalvi didn't deny that. He said, I'm talking to them to make sure they are coming to the side of the people. I'm 100% disagree with that. Because you cannot talk. You couldn't talk with SS and Gestapo. During the Hitler's time. By the way, you know I've been very critical of him myself.

So it's not like I'm not making friends with the Reza Pahlavi community. Somebody may say Trump wrote him a letter. Trump is trying to talk to the IRGC. Is he trying to not negotiate with the Gestapo? It could be a way of trying to open the line of communication. Is that a bad thing? It's President Trump is the leader of world, not just the United States.

The leader of world wanted to see if he can fix the problems without a bloodshed. He is trying to do that. But Reza Pahlavi, calling himself the leader of opposition, it's self-proclaimed because he has, 20 to 30% of the supporting Iranian community, but 70% of the Iranian community, they don't want him. They're saying we want...

Why are they following his content so closely? Why are they following? Again, please, I mean, hear me out on this. I'm a very reasonable player. My criticism is, why have you been sitting around not doing anything for 47 years? My criticism is that. But to say the Iranian people

are not paying attention. You can literally, let's just say we sell 10,000 policies a month in insurance, okay? And all of a sudden, I lose my license to sell in the state of California. And I go from 10,000 policies I'm selling a month to 2,000 policies I'm selling a month. And I start saying, no, California has nothing to do

with our business. I just lost 80% of my business in California. This guy goes from getting 20, 30 million views for the videos he's uploading, to all of a sudden get two to three million the day they shut down the internet. So, and it's not like it's not Iranians around the world. It's specifically targeting Iranians in Iran. Like, you know, when you watch Mano, Toe, Instagram at one point was the number one Instagram account,

was getting billions of views for news because Iranians were open. They could watch it and it shut down. Is it 20 to 30% or is it a higher number? Let me tell you what happened. Just go back to five. And by the way, I want you to also think about some of these questions because I'm going to come to you as well. Go back to five years ago. seven years ago, look at his social media account.

He was here back then for 42 years still. And then when he was posting something on Twitter, it had 40 likes, 40, 30, even 18 likes. And then after the killing of Mahsa Amini, something happened. The people in Iran, the people are desperate to find a way to come out. of this problem they are living in, come out of hell.

And then it was some false hope created in the media, the mainstream Iranian media, which are leftists and under control of Iranian reformists. Those mainstream media, Manato started, the TV you mentioned, Manato started very good. Then Manato turned to be just monarchists' TV and it was bankrupted. And it was closed.

Right now it's just... But do you know why, though? Do you know why, though? Because he lost... The TV lost the support. When you are going full force for monarchy, the people are saying... No, I don't think so.

I don't think that's what it was. I don't think that's what it was. And let me explain my opinion... Again, keep a mind. I mean, feel free to push back and argue with me. This is... The audience has to win, not us. The audience has to win,

and we can disagree. You can even disagree with me and push back. My opinion was he ran out of money because he was his entire... business model was predicated on Iran, Kvon. His entire business model was, his entire business model was on predicated based on the, if Iran opens what happens to them, Mano, can become NBC, can become BBC of the Iranian community because they were crushing. So he ran out of money.

I think his entire business model was for Iran to be free and the only person he saw that can potentially happen there is Reza Palabi. So let me give you the follow-up question. And again, you can go back and respond to everything I said as well. This is my challenge. One day I'm sitting here at the house, and I'm just sick and tired of Rosa Palavi. Because I'm watching him, and I'm saying to him, if you don't want the job, step out of the way and let somebody else do it, right? It's very simple.

You can't hold on to everything and say, oh, my God, every time they scream mine it, it feels so good. It feels so good. It feels so good. It's not how life works. Okay. If you want to make history, be part of history, you've got to carry the burden and play offense and not wait for a crisis to just take advantage of. You got to impose and you got to play offense.

So I started asking everybody, who's his opposition? What's his competition? Who's pushing? He, every day he knows he's number one. It's like how monarchy is. The oldest son always knows. The job is yours. You don't have to do anything.

It's like the only child syndrome. Hey, no matter what, the money's coming to me anyways, who cares? I don't have any competition. I always tell people, never have one kid. Always have three kids. there's no competition. You have three kids, they will compete. If you can do four, five, six even more, better for you. Never have one kid. The only child walks around at mommy and daddy's business is theirs. That's my money. That's my jewelry. That's my watch. No, it's not. So that's what

was frustrating for me. So now my rebuttal to use this. But hear me out. I'm going to ask you this question. In America, we have alternatives. J.D. Vance knows there's a guy that could have his job. That's not JD. And his name is Marco Rubio. Yeah. Marco Riebo is not a lightweight. But both of them also know there's a guy named Newsom. Who is the alternative to Reza Pahlavi? If you're asking, the media right now, they're saying it's just him. Nobody is there. That is the environment, the mainstream Persian media created. And that is, you know, if you are asking me, one of the reason we have seen that bloodshed,

That bloodbath all over the country right now? One of the reason is Reza Pahlavi and the media. They gave false hope to the people. They told them President Trump is ready. He's ready is coming to help. And he told the people via media, he even went to Sean Hannity's show and said the security forces, IRGC and the police,

they put down their guns. They are not going to shoot the people. They joined me. He said 50. thousand. IRGC forces. They signed my QR code and they are people, they are in your site.

50,000. Last night he was on CNN. He said that. Last night on CNN he said the number is 150,000. You have that rap? I'm looking. Keep speaking. We'll find it. And then this is wrong. When the

people started this round of protest, the round of protest was started during the meeting between President Trump and Benyamin Netanyahu here in Florida in Moroago. Sure. The protest was started the night before because the people wanted to show

Benjamin Netanyahu and President Trump that we are ready for change. And the people stayed in the street for 10 days where Reza Pahlavi was back then? Reza Pahlavi with his family, he was sitting at the beach, having fun. He was not part of that movement, But then media started to tell the people, people go out and call Heil King.

Oh, Heil Hitler. No, sorry, Javid Shah. Isn't it Heil Hitler? Javid Hitler? Long live Hitler. And right now they are calling Heil King Javid Shah. What are you saying with that? The media.

The media created. You're comparing the two together? It's yes. It's the Javid Shah is the Heilich. I don't say that you lose credibility with me when you say something like that. You're making a comparison of RP. Not RP. I'm talking about this slogan they're created, the media created.

But that's an Iranian translation. Long live the king is something that they say. These are two separate. I don't want to confuse. When the people are killing in the street, we cannot say just Javid Shah, just bring his picture up and say, tell the people. They can say whatever. The Iranian people can say whatever they want to say.

you make some points that is credible arguments, and I want to stay on things that are credible. I don't want to do a propaganda thing here. Okay, let's just, we can agree to disagree with that part, but the point is. No, no, but wait a minute, if he's saying go in protest, and I'm following your lead,

I'm meeting you. No, I'm an Iranian. I'm a 22-year-old Iranian industry, just like you were doing a 99 in Iran, right? How old were you in 19? 27 years ago. That was 20. Okay, you were 20 years old.

22. Okay, 22 years old. I'm a 22-year-old guy in Iran. I'm watching his Instagram post. Hey, I need you guys tonight to go on the streets at 8 o'clock. Perfect. I'm going to go do it. All right.

I go. My best friend dies. They kill him. My cousin dies. They kill him. I come home to my family. They're crying because I lost my cousin and I lost my best friend. With the hopes that this guy's going to close it.

if I'm going in the streets and putting my life on the line and you don't close, that blood is on your hands. That part, I agree with. I ask you a question, Amir, you're a very smart guy, we still haven't answered it.

Who's the alternative to Reza Palavi? It shouldn't be one person. Wait, give me one. We shouldn't have one person. We should have constitutional assembly, Patrick. We should have the different people. And if you are asking me, If you want to go for one person, right now Iran needs a businessman.

With the vision, a visionary businessman, brave enough to talk the one who can be in touch with the world leaders. We need that type of guy. Not the type of guy. When the world leaders are coming to talk about Iran in Florida, he goes with his family to the beach. And when the people are out for 10 days, that's fair criticism.

After 10 days, he's coming and saying, People, I'm going to ask you to come to street in two days, giving regime, two days' notice. At 8 p.m. Thursday, come out. Regime was ready. Was ready to go for blackout internet, black out the phone, and go and kill as much as they can. And you know what? The people came out. They didn't come out for war.

They didn't have gone. They came with their family members. The couples, they came out with their kids. and they all are killed right now. Because of, you know, when you are calling yourself opposition leaders, it comes with a lot of responsibilities. Not when CBS asked him that, do you feel any responsibility, Mr. Pahlevi, that you call the people to come out and it's a blood?

Do you have that clip? And he said, he said what? He said, this is a war. War has casualty. Mr. Pahlavi, you didn't tell the people it's a war. You told them nobody. is going to shoot you. All the security forces they joined me.

You said nothing will happen to you. President Trump is there ready to, and President Trump was not there ready. Yeah, he could wait for three weeks. Right now, President Trump is ready. Right now, Benjamin Netanyahu is ready. Reza Pahlavi, if he was a good leader,

should wait three weeks. We didn't need to see 70,000 dead body in the street right now. Rob, is this a clip? I believe so. Go for it. You announced that more than 50,000 officials from the military, from the Iranian government, had submitted to a Google forum that you said that they wanted to defect from the current regime.

Did you verify those numbers? Do those names, is the number still 50,000? And where have those defectors gone? What happened to them? It's more than that. Two days before the internet shutdown, we have over 100,000 people, new applicants to a platform that we had created a few months before, adding to the numbers that had already started joining. Among them, you find members of the military, paramilitary, police forces,

but also a lot of people who are in the civil bureaucracy, working in ministries and so on and so forth. Diplomats and others, and we're beginning to see signs of more and more people, you know, refusing to go back to work or literally defecting. It is very important because it's part of our process. You see, one of the lessons learned from debatification in Iraq was really a bad example of how you manage a change of regime.

And in the case of Iran, you don't have the problem you saw happen there in the debatification. We are trying to be inclusive as much as possible of all those who can survive regime change and have a place in the future. You can pause it. So he said 100,000 before. Okay. But again, I mean, but what- Bloody false hope? Yeah.

When I ask who is an alternative, you still haven't given an answer. When you're saying we go a different route, fine. But if there was somebody in the streets that they can't. go to, they would, somebody would rise up. Nothing like that has happened. I'm going to come back to Dr. Ken Garlu. Where are you at with this? What do you think can happen if U.S. attacks Iran? What role does Reza-Palavi play? You know, one of the reasons why I support President Trump and I think he's brilliant and he will succeed beyond what he has done so far for this country is because of his lack of interest in politics in first part of his life.

He independently established himself as a very successful businessman in the most difficult real estate market in the world, New York real estate market. And then, you know, after he really achieved every landmark that he wanted to achieve in that industry, he decided that, you know, he has better thoughts for America and he has better ideas of how to run this country. And he came into politics and he apparently, so far, He's been more successful than he's been in the real estate business in New York.

So for the same reason that you're criticizing Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi, I support him. Because of his lack of interest in becoming a ruler, I'm afraid of people who desperately want to become a ruler. All the people who desperately want to be a ruler, they have an extraterritorial agenda. He is lending, he's throwing his hat in the ring where he didn't have to. He had a wonderful life. Not a glamorous life, but a calm life. He's in love with his family. He has spent two-thirds of his life under democracy in this country.

He's the most democratic leader in anywhere in the Muslim world. He, like I said, the fact that he wasn't interested and he was saying that I'm not interested, first of all, I think the reason why he was saying that was because he really didn't have any indication that he had a popular support. But as soon as he saw that the nation has elected him and selected him as the sole leader who has legitimacy to run the country after Islamic Republic, he started showing interest. You know, why should I say I'm interested in leading the people in the people in the country? the country. You know, there are a lot of leaders in, you keep asking the question of, if not him, who? There are a lot of self-proclaimed leaders in the opposition who cannot gather 100 people in a square in Tehran. He has been able, at least in the last three months, he's been able to bring

hundreds of thousands of people. Is it okay to bring them and they get killed? Well, that's the story of revolutions. Revolutions are not done by intellectual and philosophizing the issue. Those people have... Exactly. It happens with the philosophers. Thomas Jefferson. John Locke, all the great revolutions in England, in France, in United States, happened with those. We need those intellectual movements.

We cannot just ask the people to come out and get killed and just say, oh, it's war. War has casualty. In every revolution, people take out to the streets and they get killed. You cannot blame the leader of the revolution. Look at other revolutions, the so-called great revolution. Was he the leader of the revolution? Sorry, I'm interrupting you. What he was doing at the start of the revolution for first 10 days at the beach with his family?

Well, I don't know. I don't have a first-hand access to his itinerary, so I don't know where he was, and I'm not going to base my analysis for his role and the hope that the Iranian people have pinned on him. You know, ultimately it comes down to this. He had an interview with the... the editor-in-chief of economist, Zani Bellas, and she asked him the following question,

since your father, this is literally what she asked, since your father was a despot and a dictator, how do you expect the Iranian people to follow you? And this was his answer. He said, I don't expect them to follow me, but they follow me. I think this is a brilliant answer to what is happening. Iranian people looked at the spectrum of the self-proclaimed leaders,

They looked at all of them, Mir Hossein Musavi, Karubi, Khatami, and all the reformists, they looked at him too. He has something that none of them have. He has a track record of his parents. His parents built Iran in 50 years like a country that today is China. In the last 15 years of Muhammad Reza Shah's Pahlavi, we had, our economy was the Chinas of today and South Korea's of today. We had a double-digit economic growth. That's factual. That's not just a hypothetical.

The history is factual. Undeniable. Undeniable. The question is when the average person says, what has he built the last 48 years? Oh, my God. It's a very long story about it. Try to do it in a shorter version.

Just one. Okay. Just one. Please. Yeah. He girls, beautiful. Everybody will love them, the family, but he didn't create anything else.

He had achieved in Iranian opposition something that no other leader of opposition has achieved. I'll give you one example in which I was personally involved. Please. Ten years ago, he came to me and he said, Dr. Kangaralu, I want to build a scientific organization that comes up with plans for the future of Iran when Iran is liberated from these Molas. Can you gather Iranian scientists and, you know, build something like a cabinet, not for political reasons, but for coming up with projects of how to run the ministry, how to the Iranian Ministry of Health and Agriculture and Environment and so on and so forth.

And, you know, we built this project called Kuk-Nus, or the Phoenix Project of Iran. During that time, I was talking to the Crown Prince on daily basis, on daily basis, long conversations. He was asking me questions about every single. We built the Phoenix Project of Iran with four. 14 different divisions, each division with the best Iranians experts in that field. And he will come to me and, you know, we had meetings among ourselves, among the members of the Phoenix Project. And at the end of the week, you know, I called the Crown Prince

and give him a report of, you know, the discussion that was going on in this. And in every single one of those, he will listen to me so patiently and answer the most insightful questions related to that. particular activity, whether it was international relations, agriculture, water issue, future of our relationship with our neighbors, you know, relationship with Israel, with Turkey, and so on and so forth. During a very intimate relationship that I had with him intellectually and politically and socially, I should say, I came to know him very, I mean, beyond, I think, my, his performance would be on my imagination. You know, the questions he asked, how calmly he listened to me so many times, you know, my position was completely different, 180 degrees different from him. And he, you know, sometimes he took my position back and sometimes he pushed back on an equal basis. He convinced me during that experience that he is the most democratic leader, or actually the most democratic individual I have ever interacted with.

So, Kognuz was very successful. We declared the existence of Kognuz in a press conference. in Georgetown University in February of 2018, and he was present, he was sitting in the front row, and these scientists were presenting their projects, the project whom he asked us to come up with. They were presenting these projects, all in technical terms.

For eight hours, he sat down and listened to every single conversation and every single lecture, patiently, and he asked the most insightful questions. Six months later, we had our first conference for Gournus, In Toronto, Canada, and we had our first conference where, once again, these people were presenting very fancy, highly technical, highly boring issues about the future of Iran. Once again, he was sitting in the front row along with his wife and listened to every, I never saw him yawning or losing interest or showing some disinterest in anything that it was.

So that experience showed me that this man, is the most qualified individual to run the country after the Iranian regime. Amir, what do you say to that? Do you want me to just give you the last chapter of Qignus when his team backstabbed you and put Qignauz in bed? Because he has the worst team infiltrated by the regime of Iran around him. And right now, all the wise and brilliant guys like you, you are hated by his team

and he is following just the order of those couple of people who have a close tie to IRGC close tie to the regime institutions and he's listening to them. The experience you had with him 10 years ago, I had with him 20 years ago, exactly the same experience. But that is the problem.

When it comes to the result, to continuation is a good thing to do then he's lost somewhere. The last person coming to him and talking to him is the ones he says, oh, wow, you are right. Then he's just jumping and leaving all the friends there and you are saying he's democratic. Just look at the...

He wrote a document called Munich document after the 12 days war. Have you seen that document? In the page 4 of the... that document, Patrick. Reza Pahlavi's team, they wrote that for him, specifically Saeed Gossam-in-Nijad and Amir Hossein Etemadi. I'm naming these two because these are the right and left hand of him,

both of them from the Office of Consolidating Unity between seminary and universities, whatever in Iran, the same organization, which attacked American embassy in Iran and took hostage the American diplomats. These people are from the same organization. These are the right and left top advisor of Reza Pahlavi right now. And they wrote in Munich document six months ago, Reza Pahlavi is the leader of our movement, our revolution for now, and he is the head of our transitional government.

Reza Pahlevi is the head of, we have executive branch, judiciary branch, and legislative branch. They have three branches in this document, and they are saying the head of all of these branches is Reza Pahlavi himself. He is picking all the members of legislative branch, all the members of parliament. He is picking them.

All the cabinet members. He is picking them. He is the head of judiciary. And this is to me as a constitutional law scholar. This is the definition of absolutism. That means his guy is a dictator in waiting. And he said the period for transition said it has three phases. The first phase is 180 days.

The second phase is two to three years. The third phase is unlimited. Until it's needed, he will stay the leader of the country. Excuse me, we do have the supreme leader right now in Iran. Why we need to change supreme leader, who is the head of executive? branch, legislative branch and judiciary branch to change it with the guy called Reza Pahlavi. The supreme leader can just continue and go and be the absolute leader of the society. Reza Pahlavi doesn't have problem with Islam.

Even eight years ago, nine years ago, when the new generation, they came out. They started chanting against Islam. Reza Pahlavi called them fascist, called them racist, and said, if you want to go and fight with Islam, let's this regime, Islamic regime, stay. in place because I don't want to go after Islam. Islam is good for Saudi Arabia. It brought a lot of money and attention to Saudi Arabia. But Islam destroyed us.

Islam destroyed Persian Empire. Destroyed Iran. We don't want Islam. Islam can go back to Saudi Arabia and stay there. We are the Persians. We are not Muslims. And we proved that. Reza Pahlevi couldn't come out of Islam yet.

Reza Pahlavi is still stuck. with absolutism the same as his father, Muhammad Reza Pahlavi, because the Iranian constitution during the Shah's time was the constitution making the king absolute power. The constitution gave the head of judiciary branch, head of legislative branch, head of the executive branch, gave all the title to the king. The constitution was wrong.

We had six constitutional assembly in Iran during last 120 days up to now. And all of them, they forgot about the people. They forgot about they should send the power to the people. It's the government for the people by the people, not for the king by the king. We are not going back to that dark side of history. Yes, Iran was shining economically in the world, but it was with the help of United States.

American experts were in Iran, thousands of them helping economy to grow. And the last part, it's the 250th anniversary of birth of this beautiful nation, United States of America. And it's 120th anniversary of our constitutional revolution in Iran. You said, Patrick, who? When American founding fathers, they came together. in Independence Hall, they didn't say, let's make George Washington King George the first. No, they came up.

They were brilliant, very genius people. They came up with the idea of drafting a document called Constitution and let the Constitution to lead them toward future, which lasted two and half centuries. And in the entire world, they are following the footprint of American founding fathers. Even I had this discussion, which Gila Gamliel, the minister at the Prime Minister Netanyahu's cabinet, last year I was in Israel.

I went to her office at the Knesset. We had a long conversation for almost two hours about that. And she said, we know Reza Pahlavi is not the guy who can lead. But let all come together and support him. I said, to be king? She said, no, he doesn't want to be king. I said, look at him. He's going, pounding the chest, saying, King Reza Pahlevi.

and all his followers doing that, his wife is doing that. No. And I said, Gila, when Israeli's founding fathers came together after the World War II to create Israel, why they didn't go? Because your history is about the kingdom, kingdom of Israel. You have King Solomon. You have King David. Why you didn't go back to your kingdom to call Ben-Gurion the King Ben-Gurion?

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Khomeini got it 47 years ago. Listen, that... It should be Patrick and Amir Fakhrava back then to say, Khomeini, no, you cannot do that. Okay, so let me ask you with your question, and I'll bring it up to you as well, and I will wrap it up. Do you think the way things are looking right now? And again, none of us can be in the minds.

I was on Fox and Friends this morning, and they asked me the same exact question that I'll be asking you. Do you think this is going to be an attack, then let the Iranian people figure it out? Do you think it's going to be like Asam Soleimani, let's kill a couple people, make a statement, don't talk about America like this ever again?

Do you think U.S. and the president are already thinking about attack with an outcome to have somebody go back to Iran and bring safety? What do you think it's going to happen? Well, let me address some of the questions that Amir raised about Qurnus. When His Royal Highness asked me to build Qurnous, I did, and it was very successful. It was supposed to be a scientific organization. But I had a very large dimension of political activity in my life, along with a full-time job at Columbia and all of that.

And after Kornuz was established and it was on its own devices, then I asked, His Royal Highness's permission to basically step out and continue my life as before that. And he insisted that I should stay with the position. And I said, you know, there are people in Gognos and Phoenix Project who are highly qualified. And I'm sure that, you know, they can run the project. If not as good as me, he can't even run it better. And, you know, I handed the Gognos to the people who I used to work with for a whole year. And that's that.

So there was really no dispute between me and him. He really asked me to stay on the job, but I didn't have time, as well as the fact that I was more politically active than it justified to be a head of a scientific organization. And Gognos continued his life years after I left, and then eventually it dissolved into another organization that His Royal Highness has built, and it's now helping him.

He's really one of the tools in his hand for building all these projects for the future, of Iran and all the activities that he's really running. As far as his unique qualifications is concerned, I know that historically human beings are driven either by religious fervor or by nationalistic fervors, not by intellectual fervors. Intellectual fervors and intellectual motivations are only for intellectuals. Intellectuals, you know, Amir said that, you know,

intellectuals during the Enlightenment, they were qualified to run the whole show. Jefferson, John Law. But they don't run a revolution. Intellectuals write and talk. They don't take guns. Guns are taken by the people who actually have those two motivations, either religion or nationalism. So when Iran was nationalistic during Pahlavi's, the antidote to nationalism of Pahlavi was a religious government that came to power. Now the antidote to a religious government of the Islamic Republic is nationalism.

And nationalism and Iranian nationalism is exclusively and solely is represented by His Royal Highness, Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi. No one else is even in the horizon compared to him, not according to be, according to the people who are prepared to pay with their lives, to shout his name and bring him back to power. They didn't know they are going to get killed. They just came to street. They thought it's done. It's for celebration because they lied to him, to the people via media. Razopahlawi lied to the people. He shouldn't do that.

He should take some responsibility. He should take some responsibility. We have seen it. We have seen all these happen in front of our eyes. And still he's going and lying around. It's the entire 50,000 defection is lie. $150,000 last night, he said it's a lie. huge lie. It's not even one single defection. We haven't seen it. We have seen just blood

bat all over the country. Well, by the nature of defection, it has to be kept secret. If one of those names are revealed, their life will be in danger. They will not survive the next following 24. Could they turn their guns against their colleagues who have been killing the people in the street? We haven't seen anything. That's not the way. way revolutions work. Revolution's work exactly how this revolution is happening. His leadership in the revolution has been established beyond any shadow of doubt. Which leadership? By hundreds of, for the first time, you know, Iranians have been protesting for the last 47 years, but nothing compared to the dimensions of this last three weeks. We know that around 937 cities and villages and

small towns in Iran, people took out on the street, and every single one of them was shouting his name. The reason why they're shouting his name, because they know that we are about to build a world under the leadership of President Trump, that in that world, only Iran as a friend and a staunch ally of the United States can survive and can help America to unravel the access of evil that is already built by China, Russia, and Islamic... All of us, we knew that in the opposition. We knew President Trump can help Iran to make Iran great again. But none of us, like Reza Pahlavi, went in front of TV to say the people, it's gone.

President Trump is ready. Netanyahu is ready. They are at the border. They are coming to help you. Don't worry. Go to street. The security forces, they put their guns down. None of us did that.

And we warned him. We warned him, don't call it like that because it will be a bloodbath. And he didn't listen because he wanted the hashtag. With all due respect, none of you are even on the same galaxy that he is. What galaxy he is? The galaxy that people shout their name. You know, in Iran, just in three weeks, Khomeini became the leader, supreme leader. In three weeks.

That's an entire. That's an interview. That's an interview. No, no, no, no. But the question is, the question is that right now, in Iran, hundreds of thousands of people, millions of people are shouting his name, knowing that they will pay the price. 47 years ago, Khomeini came to Iran when Reza Pahlavi's mom have done a coup d'etat against

her husband, King Muhammad Riza Shah, and then the queen pushed the king out. Those are outlandish accusations against a woman who Iranians refer to as the mother of nation. Just please read the page 171 of this book. the Mitrochine archive, the top secret documents of KGB. I will not. At the bottom of 171, if you like to look at it.

But let me tell you. I want him to finish his thought, then I'm going to come to you. The specific thought that you were saying that you were about to make a point. You can't compare the two. But prior to that, you said the Iranian people are the ones that stood up in the streets. Can you finish that thought? The Iranians, you know, for the first time in the last 47 years, a lot of people have claimed to be the leader of this revolution,

revolution against the Islamic Republic, Karubi, Khomei, Khomeini, Khatami, and so on and so forth. None of them have been able to achieve what the Crown's presence has achieved in the last three weeks. We had demonstrations over the entire nation of 90 million. The reason why you don't know that yet is because of the digital blackout that they imposed

on that country. And terabytes and terabytes and terabytes of information, and films and pictures are stored and present in Iranian cell phones, that as soon as the Internet opens, everybody in the world will believe in what I say, that this was a revolution. This was not a protest. This was nothing compared to the Green Movement

or any of the other revolution, not revolution, the protests of 98 and 96 and women, life, freedom, and all of that. This was a revolution in the making, and the reason why it happened in the first, form of a revolution and not a protest was because one of the greatest achievements of the last three weeks was that this establishment of the leadership of the crown prince as the leader of the national revolution beyond any shadow of the doubt. I don't think any self-proclaimed leaders can even have any hopes of disputing his leadership. I think the sooner they stop, the better off they will be.

and the sooner they stop, the more successful we will be as a nation to coalesce. I see that part. I'm not with that because I also think I want to hear Amir's side. I want to hear everybody's side. This whole thing about eliminating, opposing arguments. Not eliminating. Not eliminating. Instead doing what? Coalescing, I said. Coming together. But I'm sorry. Respectfully. Who's job is that to do? The other leaders who see that...

No, no, no, I disagree. I disagree. It's his job to do that. I think it's on him to do that because if you think about proactive... Okay. Okay, your complimenter of your president. Who is being proactive about the board of the peace? Has he been able to coalesce all the opposition in this country?

Who? President Trump. It's not about has he been able to. Has he been proactive? There's a big difference, Doc. You know, between me, saying there's a girl at the bar, man, she is so pretty. I'm going to wait for her to come and talk to me.

No, she doesn't need to come to it. You've got to go court. Okay. So he hasn't pursued. Maybe he has. He has? I haven't seen the meetings. I haven't seen the meetings.

Okay. Who has he pursued? Who has he brought together? Because I think that's on him. In Georgetown meeting, he had, he was sitting next to five other. I brought all those people via my Twitter accounts together, by the way. What year was that? What was that?

Nevertheless. After Maha'amini was killed. So it was five years ago. Were you still good with him at that time? No. I asked at the 40th day, when Maha was killed, everybody were confused in opposition. I mentioned in my Twitter, and I said,

opposition figures, I mentioned the name. All the names you have seen there at the Georgetown. I mentioned their names and said, let us come together and create the revolutionary council because we cannot leave. the people alone in street. They all came together and Reza Pahlavi decided to put my name out. They stole the idea and went with it and then they destroyed the idea.

It's the thing he is doing for years. Stealing from the people, the ideas. Right now he's stealing the constitutional assembly from me. And I created that word, constitutional assembly. Everywhere in his interview, Reza Pahlavi is going and saying, I want to create constitutional assembly. I'm interested to know, Mr. Pahlavi, please tell me what does it mean constitutional assembly.

How many times we had it before? And can I say something about the... Look, in 47 years ago, when Kup Dita happened, in three weeks, the media, BBC specifically, BBC bombarded the people with Khomeini Rahber. Khomeini is the leader. And Khomeini Rhaber became the slogan. Three weeks. Media just needed three weeks to make Khomeini a Rhaber, a leader.

In three weeks, exactly the same media, the same people, even some of them, they are old, they have been working at BBC, Kahan and Etelot back then. They created this time Javid Shah. Javid Shah is the new brand of Khomeini Rhaber. Three weeks leader And you know what? You said never happened. In 2009, June 2009, Patrick, we had 4,500,000 people in the street in Tehran.

Did you know that? Do you know who brought them out? That was Mir Hossein Mousavi. Most of the people who came out, they didn't believe in Mir Hossein Mousavi. They came out because they have seen Mir Hossein Moussavi as an opportunity to go against how many is brutality. 4,500,000 in Tehran they came out.

Do you know what was their chant back then in 2009? Javid Shah? No, Yah Hossein Mir Hossein. Which is horrible. They chanted Yah Hosein Mirh Hossin. The same people during last three weeks chanted Javid Shah. These people, when they say Javid Shah, it doesn't mean they believe in him. They just want something to grab it and come out of that hell regime made for these people.

people and what's the solution? I want to talk. Can I talk with President Trump for a couple of minutes? Can I respond to those points before we talk about Trump? Obviously, the people of Iran, you know, obviously they're desperate for having a leader. That's true. This is what happens. I agree. At this point, it's like anything but to have what I have right now. But the fact that the people have chosen him, and there's plenty of evidence that people have chosen him, that picture that you are drawing for the Iranian Revolution of 1979 is a very simple-minded kindergarten picture. That BBC imposed Khomeini in three weeks. As a leader.

That's really disrespect to Iranian people. I was a student at the Iran... You don't know the power of media? I was a student at Ariameh University. Arya Mer University was the hotbed of revolution, 55, 54, 56. And two years before the revolution, the university campuses were boiling about debate over the dispute they had with the policies of the Pahlavi government. And all the leftist movements in Iran, they tried to establish themselves as a leader of anti-Pahlevi revolution, and they couldn't. And Khomeini basically came along, and they all.

went under Khomeini's leadership because they couldn't find enough popular mandate in order to claim themselves as a leader of revolution, right? This is how it happened. It didn't happen because of BBC. It didn't happen because of Voice of America. It didn't happen in three weeks. It happened in years and years and years. You know, the Pahlavi performance, economic performance, and its alliance. Actually, I have to confess here that, you know, large number of Iranian dissidents during Pahlavi, they were against his policies of friendship and alliance with the United States. Because what we call intellectuals in Iran is really a code name, is a fancy name for the leftist. 90% of the leftists in Iran were intellectuals and intellectual was synonymous with leftists.

So when you are Pahlavi, in Pahlavi, I mean, the people who really betrayed Pahlavi were the Iranian intellectuals who happened to be 90% leftists. In any country, government can be stable and find itself having a mandate through multiple mechanisms the government can survive either by being popular or having brilliant economic performance or if they don't have any of those having a means of suppression these are the only three ways that the governments can survive the government of America is popular the government of China has brilliant economic performance the government of

Islamic Republic is using the means of suppression. So those are the three means of suppression. And in Iran, during the Shah, he was not good at imposing suppression on people. When people rose up against him, he said, I don't want my ruling to be established on the blood of my nation. So he left. He simply said, he don't... This is Muhammad Riza Shah Pahlavi. But during the 50 years of his ruling and his father's ruling, Iran experienced the biggest. Iran went from today's Afghanistan to the fifth military in the world, to the China's economy of today, and to basically the superpower, local superpower and regional superpower in the Middle East. There is no disputing that. You can say

whatever you want about Pahlavi. But unfortunately, the intellectuals who allied with the Ayatollah Khomeini to launch the revolution, these intellectuals, they thought that, you know, they become parts of the new political apparatus of the Islamic regime. But Khomeini, within a year, within a very short time, he kicked all of his coalition forces of the leftists out of the government and started to slaughtering them in the pursuing 10 years after the war with Iraq started. So the intellectuals who were hoping to become part of the government after the downfall of the Shah, they suddenly became a dissident in the government they held establish. So the dissidents of Pahlavi became the dissidents of Islamic Republic.

So these people, because they were dissidents of Pahlavi regime for a longer time than they were during the regime, the regime of Islamic Republic, they, even though they call themselves the dissidents of Islamic Republic, deep inside they have an anti-Pahlawi DNA. 90% of today's dissidents in Iran have more hatred for Pahlavi's than they have for the Islamic Republic. And this is one of the biggest cancerous tumors which is eating the opposition alive. And Shah Zah De Reza-Az-Pahlavi, the Crown Prince Rez of Pahlavi,

is the only antidote, is the chemotherapy of that. cancer. And for a long time, he has tried to do that, and he has done that. He wasn't successful. He fought, you know, heroically down and dirty in the trenches. And for a long time, he wasn't receiving popularity and attention from the international media. Now he is. The Iranian people are the ultimate judge, and they have decided that he will be the leader of our next revolution. And I think there is nothing that can change that. I want to say something. I love you because you are genius.

You are brilliant. But when it comes to modern history, definitely, if I want to give you a number, you are failed badly. Because it didn't happen like that at all. And you know what? All the mullahs who came to power. I was at the heart of it.

All the mullahs who came to power, they were on payroll of Shah's, government. The Queen Farah had Murtazamutahari, the head of Revolutionary Council of Khomeini. Murtazahari and Mullah was top advisor of Queen Farah. The guy, the head of Queen's office, Hossein Nasr, is the guy who brought Islam to America for the first time in 1953, in Harvard University. He is a terrible Muslim leftist. He's still alive. Hussein Nass in Washington, D.C. living there. And his students, Hussein Nass students, are ruling Iran right now.

All the mullahs in power, they were on payroll. Khomeini himself was on payroll of Savak, monthly $6,000. One of the top leadership of Savak revealed that just lately, that Khomeini was. on payroll of Sabak until the last summer when they cut it that money then Khomeini decided to go to Paris and start the so-called revolution and you know what the history is very complicated but i want to come back to something positive i want to say something i want to say something about my grade in history oh just come on with me with constitutional law with the modern history of iran you are failed

let me tell you i love you i love you with the brilliant mind let me tell you that there are in every In every revolution, in every revolution, if you think that because of Hossein Nass or Ahesan Naragi or Manu Cherdi or Roshahari, or because they were in, you know, within the Iranian government, within the Shah's government, that disqualifies Shah from being a nationalist liquid. It was a coup d'etal by queen, in every... In every... The Sinderala, Russian Cinderella of Iran, Queen Farah Diba, she have done a coup d'etat against her husband. I don't want to go there. Let me come to the positive point. Let him finish this point and we'll finish up on the positive. Let me tell you that. That was me.

I'm going to come to you. Even the Islamic government, the biggest opponents of Islamic Republic that brought him, brought it to the brink of collapse where some of the founding members and friends of the Ayatollah Khomeini, like Montezeri, Karubi, and Mirh Hosseini Musabee. Just because these... I was working for Queen's office before the room. In the Russian Revolution, one of the people who brought Russian Revolution to the verge of collapse was Leon Trotsky, one of the founding and the best theoretician of the Communist Party, right? So the fact that these people have been supporters of the regime and even a member of the elite and the founding members of the society, it doesn't mean that they have completely lost their qualification for,

putting themselves out there as a leader of opposition. And, you know, I already told you that, you know, exactly the criticism that you have against the Pahlavi government, the fact that some of the leftist intellectuals were actually working in Empress Farah, Queen Farah's office, I considered that the strength of the government. I know. Queen himself, she hated Pahlavi. No, he didn't. She hated Rizashah.

All right. the fact that, so, you know, a lot of people criticize the Shah's government for being despotic and not being inclusive and expelling, you know, the dissent from his government. And then Amir is giving evidence exactly to the opposite, that the Shah had the system of government that all the opponents, the people who eventually overthrew him, were actually at a very high... Shah was not in charge. The last six months, Farah was in charge. And you know, January 6, 1978, one year before sending pushing king out of Iran, Farah, Queen Farah, had a meeting in United States with the SCIA, FBI and U.S. Secret Service. And Farah told them, it's documented. Farah told them, everybody in Iran, the people, they hate the king, they hate the Shah, and they love me as queen. And Farah asked the United States to ask the Shah to step down.

I can be the queen in charge of the country. Then in two years, my son can be the king. That was Farah's plan in the last year for the coup d'etat. And the documents are here in the United States with the CIA. But let me go to the positive point. Patrick, I love Dr. Kangal. I'm a republic, a hardcore supporter of Republic of Iran. I have been all my life.

Even when I started talking with Rezaa Pahlavi 20 some years ago, I told him. I said, I'm going to campaign for you. When we have a good constitution, well-written constitution in place in Iran, I want you to be the first president of Republic of Iran. We never had a republic in Iran. That would be a demotion. Okay. Then I told him, and I still believe that.

I still will do that. Also, I know he will destroy the economy of the country because he doesn't know anything about running any business. We need a businessman right now to be the first president of Iran. But you are a supporter of monarchy. I'm a hardcore Republican. Just today I realized Dr. Kangal, who's beautiful wife is supporter of republic. And it's not supporting monarchy.

And my beautiful fireman... Now he's taking advantage of my weakness. My beautiful wife, Dr. Sanazaleasti, she is hardcore monarchist. You know, it's in our family right now, Republican and monarchy. We are not enemy of each other. Reza Pahlavi is not a good leader

because he could bring us together. He could be the one to bring half of the society right now they are Republican, half of the society they are monarchists. If he was a good leader, instead of going out and saying, just go and say, King Reza Pahlaviwai, Jovi Shah and just push his minions to go there and just bring up his photo and going to all

interviews and saying, the people called me, the people called my name, like a kid, he's going around and said, the people chanted my name. No, it's not a good leader. He could go and say, all the Republicans, all the monarchists, please come together. We are like a family. We can have a constitution. And you know, Patrick, we drafted a constitution, which is the chapter. seven of my book, it's a textbook for American universities right now. It's the constitutional

law book, the spirit of the constitutional law. Chapter seven is the draft constitution for future Iran, which me and my team, National Iranian Congress, we drafted. I gave the signed copy of that constitution to President Trump in 2019 when I was invited to speak at his house in Moralago. And then in that, the constitution is written for both type of political system in Iran, either monarchy or republic. Both can use that constitution. If the constitution is well written, you don't need to change even one single word. You can have the people if they voted for the monarchy in Iran, it can be the constitution. If they voted for republic, it can be the constitution. But I want to talk to President Trump right now. President Trump,

everybody are asking who should be the next. We want exactly to follow the footprint of American founding fathers. My suggestion is United States should help Iranians to create constitutional assembly, to bring together all opposition factions, invite them, and U.S. government can do that easily, to invite them together, let them talk like we are, we are disagree with each other, but we are talking to each other, we like each other, we like each other, we are not enemy of each other. We should come to that constitutional assembly. Reza Pahlavi can be a member of that constitutional assembly

and can be a member of leadership of that constitutional assembly too. But he cannot be the king, the dictator, the absolute power. And you know what? It happened before in American history. Patrick, something is missing huge at the State Department right now, which Marco Rubio can fix that. The post-war Japan, when Japan's, was defeated with nuclear bomb, we had a army general called General Douglas MacArthur,

leading that, that war. General Douglas MacArthur, after the war, asked Japanese to go and draft constitution for yourself. They drafted the constitution, brought it to him after months of working on that constitution. He looked at it and said, where is the woman's right to vote? They said, oh, you know, the women are not the same as men, and he said, BS. He threw that constitution to trash can and told Japanese, you don't know how to draft the constitution. Then he gave ultimatum, one week ultimatum, to his staff members, General Douglas MacArthur,

asked them to draft constitution for Japan. In one week, they drafted the constitution. That is now the longest standing constitution without any amendment. The constitution of Japan, with Japanese people, they are calling it MacArthur's constitution. Japan came up from a destroyed nation to one of the G7 members, one of the greatest allies of the United States. But the failing experience happened in Iraq and Afghanistan.

What happened? Army have done a great job in Afghanistan to destroy the terrorist group from power, the Taliban, Al-Qaeda. And in Iraq, the dictator Saddam Hussein was out. then army transferred the power to State Department and some foreign service officers at the State Department were idiot enough to go and sign the contract with Harvard Law School and a guy called Noah Feldman.

He's a professor, constitutional law professor at Harvard Law School, but he's dumb. He decided he led the team to draft Constitution for Iraq and he went to use help of Iraq. regime. They did the same for Afghanistan too. And do you know what came out of it? They called Islam as official religion in the constitution of Afghanistan and Iraq after war. If he is a constitutional law professor from Harvard Law School, he should know in a well-written constitution, we cannot have official religion. We should not have it. He failed that. And because of that, the nation

of Iraq and Afghanistan failed. Right now, State Department should create an office. They don't need, when a change is happening, right now Lebanon needs the new constitution. Syria needs a new constitution. For Gaza, they need a constitution. For Iran, soon they need a new constitution. It should be an office to oversee

the constitution drafting process around the world. If they want to be friends with the United States, they should follow that path, State Department should have that office to make sure the next constitution for these new nations

are coming up is not full of ideology. And please President Trump, support constitutional assembly for Iranian opposition and please don't go to meet Reza Pahlavi or any other person who claims self-proclaim himself or herself as leader.

it should be a constitutional assembly and then if American government, the President Trump's government and Israeli government, Benjamin and Netanyahu's government, if they support that constitutional assembly, that did not deal. Have they met yet?

Has President met with Reza Pahlavi? No, and he doesn't want to meet him. How do you know that? He said that. He said, let's see the people Iran what they are going for. Rezapalavi have been in Washington, D.C., for last 47. years. If President Trump wanted to meet him, it should happen up to now, but President Trump is smart enough.

You know what? For the last 250 years of history of this country, United States never created a kingdom and never supported the absolute king. Never did that. United States is all about constitutional republic, even for Japan. When they drafted the Constitution. See, but to me, to me, I don't want to get sidetrack, and we got to wrap up. To me, if RP has been in D.C. for 47 years, and he's been in D.C. for the last 11 years, with the president being there, the fact that he has not been proactive to go meet with him is not a reflection of the president's a reflection of him. I agree. That's my problem.

I think there is a good reason. And President Trump is not going to be the first president during last. has 250 years to go and sign any absolute power for any country. President Trump doesn't want his name to be in history like that. I'm curious. What's your reason? I already gave the answer, but I think you might have forgotten. The Crown Prince is not a lobbyist and is not a political activist. He is. He has been doing lobby.

He is the descendant of the throne of the Pahlavi, one of the most celebrated and glorious history, 50 years history, half a century history of Iran. he is not going to reduce himself to the person who will go to the White House and knock on their door. Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi will sit down with President Trump when he has mandate by the Iranian people to be respected as an equal leader that will sit across the table with the President Trump. And I think President Trump respects that. You want President Trump to come and kiss Reza Pahlavi? No.

No. I said the prince, the Crown Prince, the crown prince is waiting. He's the crown prince. Where? When? Okay. Let's not sidetrack because he wants to wrap up. But I think he has been patiently and wisely waiting to get the political mandate from the Iranian people. And the last three weeks, Iranian people, by paying with their blood, they gave him the mandate.

That he is an undisputed leader of Iran's revolution for national revolution. And I think now you will see the kind of activity from Crown Prince that you have never seen before. And I didn't expect to see that before, because to be quite honest with you, the Iranian people had not given him the kind of mandate that they have given him in the last three weeks. Now it's a new ballgame in Iranian politics and Iranian opposition. I mean, fortunately, the America is coming to conclude the relationship with the Islamic Republic. President Trump is going to wrap it up the way you are trying to wrap up this show. And I think after whatever is that he is going to do in the pursuing weeks,

in the ensuing weeks with Abraham Lincoln in the region, I think you will see a crown prince that is highly qualified, highly vocal. So going back to constitutional monarchy. Yes, we're going to go back to the constitutional monarchy. I'm trying to see what he's saying. Yes, absolutely. You're saying Yvonne's going to go back to a constitutional monarchy. We are going to have a country after the Islamic Republic.

public that the executive branch, the judicial branch, and legislative branch are completely independent of the institution of monarchy. And you think... Have we had before? Any time? I mean, we're constantly life... We never had such a thing. Yeah.

King was in power. Do you think the president would support that? Absolutely, we'll support that. There is no opposition leader in the horizon who will serve, serve the mandate of President Trump in the Middle East better than... Crown Prince of Pennsylvania. Rather than constitutional assembly for Iran. Well, let me say this to you, to wrap up, to wrap up and finish it up.

I was just looking at the comments and I was looking at the polls. This was a very, very good conversation, especially the last hour and 20 minutes. The audience won today because they got both sides of the argument. And what made it special is that both of you were respectful to each other, which is, you know, the community has some people that have got, forbid you say something different. It's very disrespectful. I love the way this was done. I want to think both of you guys were coming out. Yourself, it was a pleasure having you on. Amir, of course, you as well. Your passion is felt by everybody. Dr. Kangaroo's passion is a very different kind of

passion. But he's got the passion as well. And for those that are watching, stay tuned. At any time anything could happen, we're going to put the link below to Amir's book for those that are interested in going into. Is there anything you would like the audience? if they want to learn more about you? They can go to our website and my YouTube page and my Columbia University page and we have a website that has all of my scientific work, not about the politics.

It's called NeuratheraputicsNYC.com. People can get a lot of information about my activities, my scientific activities. Beautiful. Yeah. He's brilliant. We're beautiful. Awesome.

Again, thank you for coming out. Thank you. Thank you. Everybody else, we were planning on wrapping this up 46 minutes ago. I got my son that came and visited me so I've got to take him somewhere right now. But it was great having you on.

If anything happens in the next 24 to 48 hours, we are going to go live and do an emergency podcast. Stay tuned. Have a great weekend, everybody. God bless. Take care. Bye, bye, bye, bye.