PBD Podcast - The Price of a Man's Dream | PBD Podcast | EP 94

Episode Date: October 8, 2021

During episode 94 of the PBD Podcast, Patrick Bet-David sits down with Adam Sosnick, Gerard Michaels, and Phil Heath to talk about topics such as Rachael Maddow $30 million deal, Is it harder to be a man today vs. 50 years ago, and much more! Watch the full podcast: https://youtu.be/ZkqUDrtI50s  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

Gentlemen we're live are we really so you're the opening voice is that what it is going forward? I have to do just higher yourself Did you just higher yourself walking around restaurants bumping into women pissing them off? To the lady that David bumped into on behalf of our entire crew we apologize David sometimes does tend to do that, but it is what it is. Anyways, how you feeling? I feel great. I'm glad you're doing this today.

Absolutely. We just decided on doing this literally a few minutes ago, 45 minutes ago. And I know we've had it up, but it wasn't agreed upon. 15 minutes ago. 15 minutes ago. You're right. Yeah, 15 minutes ago.

So people are already saying VivaLPB, thank you, five bucks. You didn't talk about Pandora papers in China clapping Clamping down on internet's last podcast We will get right into that. We have a few different things that we're gonna cover Let me give you some of the stories that we have that we're interested in talking about and we may do one fun topic Okay, just one we may do one which would be what would be what would be your superpower and why we may talk about that thing some people would want to yours Mine specifically. I want to know yours Adam big time now. I want to know what love is I mean Gerard on cue

By the way, you guys were like this When we when we lived in Skokie, Illinois, we were part of a barbershot quartet. I can say that. We were doing that. I can totally shout out to chance. I don't know what to do. So so by the way, can you grab Adam's latest

additional playboy he had on his list? We got to talk if you have a discrabbit. Oh, we got to just grab it. So we'll talk about that Bitcoin price is apparently is $55,000 today. It's really not stop and Donald Trump dropped off Forbes list of wealthiest Americans for the first time in 25 years. Maybe Daniel is right

You know Daniel has some said Trump's never been a billionaire before but anyways, we'll cover that Biden doesn't leave that he was not a billionaire of course He's a billion Biden warns meteor headed to crash into US economy and debt struggle folks if you're in English It's not your first language. He's not saying a meteors headed to or because I thought that's what he was talking about at first meaning the economy is about to take a massive hit if we don't extend the what do you call it the three and a half trillion dollars or Thomas saki won't say whether Hunter Biden has divested from Chinese private equity from can you imagine

can answer simple question like that Trump says he knows what would happen if faces the Sanctus in 2024 presidential primary I talked about this last week when I said this will be a problem Literally a day and a half later. He answered so maybe he listened to the podcast and said I would and I'm gonna read it here in a minute But go ahead, Jordi gonna say something. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, going on. What's different now? What do you mean what's different now? You're not even waiting today. You're going to go out of right off the moon. No, I didn't understand what you mean. The GOP has a Donald Trump problem now. Yes. Like something's new today with Donald Trump. But do you know what he's saying? That's what I'm asking. Yeah, he's saying

like you're going to have to go through him meaning he's not backing down. Right. So this is obviously they have nothing to gain from it. Yeah. They were never going to win. There was nobody that they had that was a candidate that was going to carry the election against Hillary Clinton. So Donald Trump was a necessary evil for the GOP. So I thought we'd just say what he said. This is a Fox News story.

Trump says he knows what would happen if he faces the census in 2024 election, primaries. Less than a week before he returns to the state that kicks off the race for the White House. Former president Trump is says in a new interview that if he runs for president, again, most of the Republicans would drop out. But if Governor DeSantis also makes a bid for 2024, GOP nomination, Trump emphasized, I would beat him. He would. Trump remains the overwhelming frontrun in all the extremely early polls in 2024. But in hypothetical question, would Trump not on the ballot, the Santas and former vice president, Mike Pence, topped a large field of potential contenders in the survey, the Santas pushed back against 2024 speculation last week, telling Fox News host John Hannity, I'm not considering anything beyond doing

my job. So Trump is already saying, I would beat the Santchez. Somebody in the GOP, somebody needs to get in there and just figure it out before it gets on camera. Somebody needs to get in and say, I don't care if it's rock paper scissors, I don't care if it's red light green light, I don't care if it's flip a coin, we can't have these guys go out there. Let me ask you, what would Ron DeSantis do

to Joe Biden in a debate? Would it be the biggest massacre in the history of debates? Would it be the rhetorical equivalent of an early Mike Tyson knockout? Joe would call him sick three times in 2024. He would Joe Biden would want none of Ron DeSantis and Joe Biden beat Trump in one of the debates. So I think Donald Trump, that's a lot of bluster. I think Donald Trump, that's a lot of bluster. I think Donald Trump, he was a phenomenon. There's nobody that can argue what MAGA was

and what it created and how he mirrored a lot of what the Democrats did to generate this cult of personality. I mean, basically, he mirrored the Obama campaign, not the policies and ideology, obviously, but the cult of personality. I think this is the different question. So, C. Johnson just gave for the 499.

Appreciate you, buddy. And this is John, Ron DeSantis, he said, dos Santos. Ron DeSantis won, Ron against Trump. His time will come in 2028. So, here's a question for you. Here's a question for you. That makes sense. Okay, here's a lot.

Odds. Odds. What are the chances DeSantis runs, 2023, 2024? Chances he runs. 50, 50. I think Trump owns the GOP. I don't think I think we're doing I think we are knighting Ron DeSantis like he's some presidential candidate. Do you need to calculate it? Just to, yeah, I'm gonna say what I want to say. We're general percentage, buddy. I don't think he's running. I think Trump, I think Trump, it's not zero,

because I would say less than 10%. I think Trump owns the GOP and we're, Trump, DeSantis has done nothing on the national stage yet. That's not right. He's not true though. He's obviously done a great job in Florida. In Florida, I got Gerard to move here.

Did a great job getting Gerard. Keep your friends in Jersey. But it doesn't want Democrats in the state. I just don't want to. By the way, most people agree with you. Most people here are saying he's not running. The only person that's a 75% chance is is betul john coquibot seventy five percent can't trust that

and well reos is eighty percent is running fill what do you think i don't think he's running okay i don't think he's running i mean i think but i do think trump will poke that bear non-stop where in my opinion the centus well you know he could always change his mind and say you know what i'm not gonna back down from this. I will go toe to toe with you, but I do look at the Santas as a, you know, a competitive

person. But the difference is that he can be competitive while showing more discipline than Trump can during a debate. I would, my confidence would be with the Santas during a debate because it's disciplinary, you know, his aura when it comes to discipline, when, whereas Trump, he should have just steamrolled through this and he just didn't because he got distracted and decided to just, you know, talk shit. If Ron DeSantis does not run in 2024, it will be the biggest mistake of his life. It'll be the biggest mistake the GOP ever made, not headlining and front running, Ron DeSantis.

You have a guy who is answering Joe Biden on a nightly basis, is calling out Jen Sackie on a nightly basis, although he's running a state, he is having national conversations on a nightly basis, and he's being proven right over and over and over again. The dams are hurt down, and Donald Trump is going to rally the other people's base in a way that Ron DeSantis won't. The crazies that came out against Trump won't come out against Ron DeSantis. He won't activate them.

Trump will, okay. And I live through it, Chris Christie. I live through it. If Christie ran on a national level when he was in his first term He was a superstar. He was a hero. He couldn't do anything wrong He had worked across the aisle. He had worked with Cory Booker He had saved Norke he brought Zuckerberg and Facebook into into Jersey and then his second term was a nightmare

It was a disaster and his career has by the way. I cannot tell you how much I agree with Gerard. There's so much value in what Gerard, you just said right now because this whole thing about running is about timing. And he's got everything on his side right now if you ran today. Who knows what's gonna happen for your son? That's a very good point you're making Gerard.

Great argument. But why would you run when you know you're not beating Trump? There's no chance. He just said chance. But he just said it. But he just said it. Like you're not activating the people that are just like, well, I don't care about policies. I'm just gonna vote against Trump. Art of the deal.

Donald, here's the deal. You only got four years anyway. Let's make a deal. You've got kids that they want. You want to be in the room. You want to be in the meetings. We need you out there. We need you as a cheerleader.

We need you as a cheerleader for ron and the idea is don't do you believe the word you're not your mouth you believe what you're saying now you see fricking trump naga has an exploration for ron disand this has an expression about one person one person only and that's himself but he's and that's fine i don't think that's true

on the the i don't think that's true i think i don wrong. Whatever you're about to say right now as well. I think he cares about the Trump name. I think he cares about the Trump name. And as long as his name is on of it, I think the GOP could make a legacy play to Donald Trump. I think they can make a legacy play. I think you're wrong, but I respect your opinion for being wrong. Fair enough. And I'm telling you of Ron DeSantis. If the San this is listening to this and you're going to be talked into waiting your turn

Do not I think Trump would be interested if Ron DeSantis changes his name to Don DeSantis That's the only way that Don Trump is getting two shits about DeSantis. Yeah, let me let me Let me so okay go there go there who's the only person Trump's gonna listen to tell that conversation with them and Salomon it the only person Only person who who's gonna listen to tell that conversation with them and sell them on it the only person only person who who's gonna listen Nobody Millie Mattis his kids. I think I think you have you'd have to get to Ivanka and Don junior and you'd have to get to them and and and they would have to talk they would that that would be the the ultimate sign of this Family is not work. I really don't think it would. Neither one of them will. You're trading four more years,

four more years. Have a four more years Instagram. Every other message is about Trump 2025. There's no way in the world. You're asking, you're asking tonne of money, and you're asking tonne of tonne of money off donations. They make a tonne of money off a merch.

Trump, there's an app. If he's already a billionaire, he doesn't need it. Listen, there's a deal to be made. Other than the good job, let me just, let me just talk some sense for a second. I know that, you know, we're getting heated with some rhetoric here. Other than the good job, DeSantis has joined over the last 18 months. Why would Donald Trump care about DeSantis at all?

Point B to that. Donald Trump wants himself to be there in 2024 and then on a way lesser level. He wants another Trump to be there after that. I agree with the second. So he doesn't care about a DeSantis, a pens, a Nikki Haley. He wants himself there in 20. Do you guys think that's it? Actually liked being president of the United States. He liked the title of it. Yeah. Okay. And like doing the job day in and day out. No. Actually liked the title of it. Yeah, okay, like doing the job day and day. Yeah, no actually liked the job. He liked it so much that he will run again like he's got it for him. He's got on finished business and he just he loves he is a showman. He does not like losing and he wants the I think there's a deal to be made man. I'm gonna win so much that you're gonna get sick of winning and he got sick of winning

Yeah, and he lost and now he wants the winning. The guy needs to show every night on TV. The guy needs to show every night. He needs to be on in between Tucker and Hannity every night. He pulled, first of all, he pull a six rating every freaking night. He'd make more money than anybody in the history. You mean to tell him you think he'd have more viewers and don't let me. Like, why is that just can't? By the way, Rachel Maddow just got a 30 million dollar deal Kai can you pull that up Rachel Maddow from MSNBC got a 30 million dollar deal

Inside a massive MSNBC deal pain maddow to work less 30 million dollar annually while ending her show next year and giving their top star a more Flexible scheduled than ever before. Any matter. There's a dream right there. 30 million year in low management. Rachel, man, out the capital list makes 30 a year. Decapital list. By the way, that thinks you send me, the text you send me. Does Kai have that? It should be. Kai, if you have that.

You have to show the ratings, the different stats. If you got that, pull that up to talk about who's doing what. That is crazy. She got a 30 million article. 30 million. Yeah, and you should see the views by the way. Like how many views they're getting versus others for her to get a 30 million dollar contract.

So how often do you listen to her? From each their capacity to each their necessity. No, but do you ever listen to her? No, start high day and end by day with Rachel Maddow. You don't? I don't listen to her that often, but I do, I only do YouTube now. That's all I do.

I haven't had a TV in two years. Times are tough, right? I cut the cord. Save that money. But since I moved to Dallas and I lived in that beautiful apartment you recommended, I've only watched YouTube, so I watch a lot of clips,

whether it's Tucker, whether it's Rachel Maddow. Who's that beauty? Is that the cover of what is it? I don't get that. I don't that cnf spend nearly 80% of september under one million viewers series houses what the liberal network saw 41% drop from september 2020 uh... new cycle and that's with them all and every slowdown

airport is in america president jobai and took office with cnn doesn't appear to be ripping a benefit cnn has a dismal september fallen nearly one million viewers on any of its program of its programs for twenty three out of thirty days in a month equating to staggers seventy seven percent last september final weeks of twenty twenty elections cnn average nine hundred fifty thousand twenty total day viewers this september network average five fifty seven prime time viewership has virtually cut in half during the same time from one

point five million to seven hundred seventy thousand but but show the one that the gerard has showed the one that gerard has can we see the most watch Prime time viewership has virtually cut in half during the same time from 1.5 to 770,000 But but show the one that the Gerard has show the one that Gerard has can we see the most watched programs? That's the one I want the one that was The one that was like the competitive analysis do you have it if you have that pull that up? But you were saying you listen to Rachel Maddow every month. I don't I don't I don't I watch clips and she's certainly the The frontrunner over at MSNBC. It's not, so what's their lineup that? You got Joy Reed, Rachel Malon.

No, Joy's not at night. Well, they have Laurence O'Donnell right after her. They've got Brian Williams, so I really like Brian Williams. Before her, they got, I like Brian Williams. Chris Hayes. Chris Hayes and Joy Reed before.

I think I want to show you a little bit. And Laurence O'Donnell again joined CNN's entire prime time lineup in a falling below the humiliating Chris Chris Hayes. I'd say Chris Hayes and Joy Rebex. Yeah, I think I want to join. I think I want to join. So again, join CNN's entire primetime lineup and a falling falling below the humiliating line of one million totally viewers. Joy has fewer viewers than the shows before and after her down lemon and Anderson Cooper barely getting 500. I thought Anderson Cooper was just no viewers under 55. Click on it.

Click on it to see it. So four o'clock, Kavuto, 1.7 million, tap or seven, 31, wallows, 1.266. You got five. So you used to look at five. Is that a number one show out of everybody? Five salarious. It is a list. Shout out to Tyres, the old pro wrestler, to do love.

It's 2.8, five is the number one show, five PM. Then it's tap again six forty six Brett bear one point nine six three blitzer Is at what five six seven six PM. That's the new star an MSNBC. That's Ari Melber He's pretty corny and he tries to rap sometimes One point one five six is not bad. He's a smart. A good prime time one 1.87 Burnett 602 read 9.79 Carlson 2.601 the five is beating Carlson Cooper 638 haze 1.214 that's Chris right 1.214 and then you got Henry 2.343 Cooper 570

What's that one to your ms Rachel madhouse show Rachel madhouse show okay uh... what's that one to your ms the Rachel madhouse show okay uh... and then you got the ingram one point one nine one five lemon five twenty is who's the most among everybody on the one he is the lowest amongst everybody here's actually what you have to do because obviously on the on this

three headed monster you have fox news as the only thing right of center wait when you have Fox News as the only thing right of center. Sure, wait, when you're on that, stay on that. Fine. And then you have CNN left of center and then you have arguably MSNBC left of CNN.

So I know what I would say today? So I'm just saying you have to come, like they're eating into each other's market share. But can I tell you something? Yeah, fine. I don't know. It's not only on the other side. It's exactly. Here's what I would say. At a taper you don't know. Not to use yourself this side. Here's what I would say.

Attapper and Wallace together. That's where I was buying that's point. That's where I was buying that's point. That's where I was buying that's point. That's where I was buying that's point. That's where I was buying that's point. That's where I was buying that's point. That's where I was buying that's point.

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So if you say there's the top three political shows, MSNBCC and NNFox Fox Fox single-handedly is still beating You have a guys if you think about it. So what does that mean in the big picture of things? I think there's still means 46% are gonna vote Republican 40 44% is gonna do Republican 42 is gonna do Republican 44 is gonna do them at whatever the number is 12% in middle three is gonna do this. I think you're really dealing with 10 or 12% of America. I disagree with that completely I think that what this tells you is that the future is completely totally up for grabs. I think that this is I agree with that I agree with that as long as there's nobody now how many I would love to know what the average person at

9 o'clock is doing as far as age is doing under 25 years old Yeah, I want to know if anyone under 35 years old is watching any of this. Yeah, any of this. Because if you're 18 to 30, you're watching YouTube. You're not even on this crap. TikTok YouTube. Listen, you gotta realize, all those numbers are great,

rogue in destroys them, Russell Brand destroys them. I mean, you can go so many different shows that are podcasts that are doing stuff that are killing these guys. But Rachel Maddam makes 30 a year. 30 a year. And what is Rogan to Rogan gets a $100 million contract with Spotify. With Spotify.

I had a video on TikTok get 2 million views yesterday and I get taken down today. Well, that seems to be very normal for you. Why are you surprised that your stock gets taken down at this point? Seriously. I'm just happy you got day. Well that seems to be pretty normal for you. Why are you surprised that your stock gets taken down at this point? Seriously, glad to have you got two million views on that. You're gladin' for a penitentiary? Yeah, I got the, you got the SNL thing going on. See you later buddy.

I see you have the whistleblower just go, oh that's what it was. He's like nah, nah, that was fun. What did you later? Boom, done. Somebody has a question here. Let's process this. Somebody gave $50 and asked a good question here.

So flat rate inspection, I'm a solo entrepreneur, $400,000 a year income as a home inspector and a single dad. Home inspector single dad, okay. Nine to one. The odds have been a single mom versus a single dad. For every one single dad, there's nine single moms. Just so you know, this is not common. Okay. My question is simple. Do you think it is easier to be a man and a father today or a man and a father 50 years ago? Technology considered. What do you think? Asking a bunch of guys who have no kids. George, what do you think? Quiet here. I think it's easier today. Why do you think? I think if you were a single dad back in the day, where are you making money or not making money?

Cause obviously money will help any situation. This question was single dad. He's making money, right? Yeah, it's a single dad working. Right, yeah. Things, everything is a lot easier today because, all right, my kid's hungry, just get the pampered's order.

I don't have to run out of the house and worry about him in the car seat. Everything's just at the tip of your finger, you can right, just get the pamper's order. I don't have to run out of the house and worry about them in the car seat. Everything's just at the tip of your finger, you can order, you can order, you can order. You can order a nanny online just to come in and help you. So if you've got money, things are a lot, one of my best friends is a single dad. He's that guy, what do you say, the 10%.

And he's not life ain't that hard for him. I mean, he's raised his daughter, he's doing great. He's a money guy, he's got money. He's doing okay, he's not life ain't that hard for him. I mean, he's raised his daughter, she's doing great. Is he a money guy? He's got money. He's doing okay. He's not like 400K tap of a guy. Look at him.

No, but he's all right. But obviously if you're making 400K, which is right at the tax threshold that Biden's looking for, you're doing all right. But when you say raising kids, so when you say raising kids, we're talking about like not just the convenience of Pampers and food. We're talking about like it's still in values and shit

So like I definitely believe that like back in the day. It would it would be as far as easier Yeah, you could say today, but there's a lot of people that are just like here's the iPad son go go play that's true So there's that easiness, but does that help the kid? So now we're in a different question. Very good question, though. Very good question for me. It's like, okay, I've been married, right? So I helped raise another man's kid.

He was 10 years old at the time. Would I say it would be easier today? No. Because there's too much shit going on. I was definitely involved and made sure that homework, this net, go outside play. Those things were happening. It wasn't like, oh, go play with your iPad.

But it required more of an effort back then. Yeah. But men back then actually made the effort back then. And Todd, are you saying that they're not making the effort now? What do kids learn from their fathers today? I don't know, what do you mean? What are you saying that fathers aren't teaching? Their kids, what are you saying?

Most kids don't even know how to change a tire. I don't know how to change a tire. There you go. But I'm saying like there's certain things that men back then, when we're saying back then, we're talking about like men had to know, like do they even teach wood shop and shit in schools and stuff?

Like kids back then had male figures that taught them things. You're saying that men today have been emasculated to us. I'm not saying it masculated. I'm saying that what are they actually physically teaching their kids? Well, basically teaching them

because of the convenience of, you're saying like, oh, that's a different like changing tires and Woodshop, I mean that's 50 years ago. That was a man change a tire these days just take a fucking Uber like it's not you know It's things have changed but there's a good and bad, but there's still lessons in these things of being resourcefulness I feel you on that so so back in the day I mean we all had an uncle or a father or grandfather that taught us certain things that made us become more resourceful. I think with technology, we're not as resourceful as we think.

We just went through the whole Facebook thing. People weren't resourceful during that time period. People kept literally, people kept doing this. It's not working. It's not working. It's not working for the first hour or the hour. They wasted six hours of their time. Back then, but you didn't know how to work.

Let me tell you, there was a meme that used to have back in the day. This thing right here, and you see a picture of an alarm clock and a cell phone, a, how far you walk, a calculator, a flashlight, all that stuff, and more is all right here. But that shit didn't matter, that stuff, like even right now, like a lot of those things that we become so accustomed to using is it does it really matter first of all you know I interview this guy

a couple days ago David what was his name doctor doctor Warren Farrell doctor Warren Farrell not will Ferrell doctor Warren Farrell and he wrote a book called the boy crisis New York Times best selling guy former feminist he was earlier you know with the feminist, former feminist, he was earlier, you know, with the feminist founder, former feminist. Former feminist. And he says feminism has changed over the years. Before it was equal opportunity for men and women today, it's, I've been wrong.

So men are this. So he's like, my position hasn't changed. The movement of feminism has changed. But my position hasn't changed on what it was back in the 60s and 70s. And he wrote this book and some of the stuff that he talked about in a speech that he gave with TEDx, we were talking, he said, at the age of nine, the suicide rate amongst boys and girls is equal at the age of nine. From 10 to 14, it doubles, boys to girls, 10 to 14.

15 to 19, it's 4x boys to girls. 20 boys are committing two times. Four times the amount of boys commit suicide then girls do 20 to 25 is six times more boys to girls. Then he went a little bit deeper, he says, so the challenge is the fact that boys do better when they're around their fathers than they are on their mothers. Boys need fathers more than girls need their fathers.

You know, here sometimes the whole thing where for grudges, and daddy issues, and you know, when your dating crush is kind of looking at you as a daddy, he's talking about boys need a male figure in their lives, okay? So he talks about the benefit of a boy wrestling with his father, his dad straightening them up, you know, you know, mom, you can negotiate, and I said, but you know, he deserves, okay, let him,

it's okay, baby, it's his dad's gonna say, no, you don't get to stun, you you know, he deserves, okay, let him, it's okay, baby, he said, that's gonna say, no, you don't get the stun, you're not gonna get that, right? Certain values and principles. He said, one of the biggest promises we don't have male teachers is what he talked about. He said, we need more male teachers, interesting. I couldn't agree with that more. We don't have enough male teachers and examples

to challenge somebody like, if you think about it yourself, maybe your male teacher was one of your coaches. That's tough on you. So maybe it's not a teacher, maybe it's a coach role that plays. And then he went on to talk about the fact that the tax incentives changed in the 50s and 60s, where back in the days, there weren't that many single mothers. Tax incentive changed where women said,

I don't need a man to raise a kid. I don't need a man to raise a kid. don't need a man to raise a kid I can do it myself because I'm getting a tax incentive were child tax Shout out exactly so that left and then he also went a little bit deeper talking about the fact that 50 60 years ago You know there was still a need for women to need Protection and safety so there was an element of no I'm not gonna get a divorce. Today, the divorce rate of women following divorce, men following divorce is very similar.

It wasn't like that before. It wasn't a lot of divorce taking place because it was a equal exchange. Today, the exchange is not equal. Today, women don't need men because they can go make their own money. So it's kinda like, listen, you wanna do this? You don't wanna do this?

I'm okay, I'm gonna go and do my own thing. You figured out. So, a lot of these dynamics have also changed in the last 50 years. So the guy asking the question, he's right, it is a different dynamic today than it was before, but based on what this guy was talking about, you may want to read that book,

the boy crisis, whoever is reading this, and you may want to read the book, Raising Up Boys. Those two books I would recommend to you, I read Raising Up Boys when I had my first son, fantastic book, I don't want to read the book Raisin Up Boys. Those two books I would recommend to you. I read Raisin Up Boys when I had my first son. Fantastic book. I don't think you talked about whether you have a daughter or a son.

I think he just said the fact that he has a baby, right? Did he say his son? Man, father, he didn't talk about boy or girl. But the same author that wrote Raisin Up Boys also wrote Raisin Up Girls. It is different times today than before. You are the only one here with full on kids I know you've raised the a step son. You've got four kids now. Yeah, Tico's 10 9 9 Dylan's

8 Sinus 5 and a Brooklyn's 30 and zero 13 months. She's what she's 13 months I'm sorry 13 weeks my part just 13 weeks. I'm like I'm sorry, 13 weeks, my phone just 13 weeks. I'm like, 13 weeks. I'm already got a bunch of like, what just happened? The other day, 20, 22, 29,

do you watch his videos and forex? Here is his kids and three. Here's my question to you. I'm done. When Tiko was born, yeah. You said nine, 10 years ago, social media wasn't what it was.

Life has been, you didn't have money then. At that point, you weren't crushing it 10 years ago, were you? What's money? That's such a pvd or something. Well, what do you mean by money like you're not where you are now you were just you were in startup mode, right? 2010 you were I'm still making money. Yeah, but you put everything into Money but you find money like are you saying okay on a scale of one to 10 Where's your money now versus where it was that no no no no yeah no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no happened politically, what have you? How has parenting changed from your first kid to your fourth kid? I don't think it's changed much for us. That's not a big enough of a difference in nine years.

I think the difference is our era to the 20-year-olds today, like a David versus my kids. I think it's 20 years is how you gauge it. I don't think 10 years is enough to gauge a difference. So then answer the initial question. Is parenting changed? Is it easier to be a difference. So then answer the initial question. It's parenting changed. Is it easier to be a dad today? What was his question?

It's not easy to be a dad today. It's about 50 years ago. Is it? I'm gonna tell you what, there's a, and I'm gonna let him answer it. It's tough to answer that question because I don't think you'd be a single father 50 years ago.

I think it's a different world to do. But if you were. If you were 50 years ago versus today, it's probably gonna be harder 50 years ago than today. The part that's a different world today. But if you were. If you were 50 years go versus today's probably gonna be harder 50 years ago than today. The part that's gonna be tougher today is the way that that decides to be an involved dad versus not an involved dad. Like there's many ways you can make parenting easy today.

You got a shit load of distractions. There's so easy to be a parent today. But to be a father who's leading his kids, that's a lot harder today than 50 years ago. It's a lot harder today than 50 years ago. If you want to be a true father, that's leading your kids. That's right. Because 50 years ago, how did you get your porn?

How did you get your porn when you were 14 years old? I've never seen it. I'm still waiting 40 years. I'm still waiting for it. Some of your friends that got porn. Have it again. Have it again. Have it again.

Have it again. Okay. And by the way, even if it was magazine, give me the was magazines what for when you were 14 years old, okay? And by the way, even if it was magazine, give me the most hardcore thing you ever saw in a magazine Oh, DVD here we go hardcore What are you gonna see? It's not all Thank you. There's no way in the world you saw it all 14 years old and house hustler and house hustle wasn't that hard Whatever they had what do you know what's today's hard cordial You know what's that live in chat's worth in 2000?

I don't know we were baptizing chats were in a name of Ron You know, but I don't know you can only see so much in that and accessibility What I'm trying to say is there's way more content today to psychologically mess with a kid's mind today. Facts, facts, facts. So if you want to just be a father, have sex, have a kid, you just let them be distracted by an iPad for 18 years, you can easily do it today with video games. Well, you're in raising a leader. It's just a kid. It's a very, very different mindset you have on the effort you got to put in.

50 years ago, people lived with their family unit more, too. So even if you were single, dad, chances were that your family unit was very, very close by. You had sisters, cousins, aunts, uncles, mother, father, very, very close within that community as well. There wasn't the idea of my sister lives in Chicago. My father lives in Boston. I live, you know what I'm saying? Like the family unit was geographically closer. So you'd have more of an ins live, you know what I'm saying? Like the family unit was geographically closer.

So you'd have more of an insulated, you know, support system. One of the things that you have to deal with today that's very, very difficult though. And we just saw this with the, you know, election, the education secretary, Cardona, the state is trying to take over control of your kids. That's not something you had to deal with 50 years ago.

You didn't have. They literally asked, he was at a, who's a senate judicial hearing committee, and they said, who is, I forget who the senator was, asked the Biden Secretary of Education, who is the primary stakeholder in a child's education? The guy wanted to answer one and a half million people have taken their kids out of public schools in the last year and a half

because of differences in political ideologies and what they feel like is extremism being taught in public schools. And then, the guy won't answer. And then the senator doubles down and goes, does the parent have the primary right to make decisions over a child's education? And the guy finally circles back and says,

no, the state has just as much of a right. This is a community issue. He won't say that the parent is the primary stakeholder in a child's education. Children, your kids, that guy's kids, are a cultural battleground. Now, yep. That's, this is, the kids are battleground. So therefore, back in the day, do you think, like when we were talking about parents, you think they put up with that now?

Yeah, those parents? No, no way. No way. I can't see my, I can't see your granddad or your father. I can't see any teacher or any administrator ever in a million years telling my grandfather, you know, we have more of a say over your child's education

than you do. My grandfather would have done things to that administrator that would be, you know, years in jail today, years in jail. For sure, there's no way, there's no way that they would have even had the the the gall and wherewithal. You know, and this guy was a, you know, he was a local 40 iron worker, you know, he liked education, but he didn't really care. He's like, join a union with us. We don't want to care. You know, like, you know, the school is school was daycare for them. You know, you knew all my uncles were going to join the union with them. So school was daycare didn't really care, but if they tried to tell him how to raise his kids, essentially, they would get his literal Irish up

and that would have been the end of that for sure. So for the education secretary to sit there for the whole world to say and see and say, not a state has more of a say than the parents do. I mean how do you take that? Like you said you're kidding me. Do you realize what that does to me when you say something like that? I mean it's just pathetic to make a come. I mean that's exactly what they want to it. They would like to be able to do that. And you as a parent have to not fall for that. Yep. You as a parent has to be involved. You as a parent has to be have to be so involved with the kid where you don't lose your kid. Too many parents are losing their kids because they're not involved enough. What do you mean by losing their kids?

He just said that with the iPad, with the being distracted, you're all those things that aren't being participate. But they're losing your culture. So let me explain to you. Let me explain to you how this thing works. I read a book years ago called, Think God It's Monday, right? And Think God It's Monday is this guy who's a psychologist,

so talking about how most men in America cannot wait for it to be Monday to get the hell away from the wife and the kids, because they want to be away. They want to be free. They're saying, thank God it's Monday, rather than thank God it's Friday, because Friday the whole weekend are the kids and the baby sitting stuff starts, right? So he said he watched all the stuff with marriages, what was problematic. And he said, what I found out, relationships and marriages and parents that worked, they gave individual time to their kids regularly. So if you're married, you come home, you talk to your wife 10 minutes. How was your day, babe?

You go to 10 minutes, one on one, right? Then you go to your kids, so tell me how was your day, one on one. Then you find out one of them needs a little bit more time. Then you go and talk to them for 1050 minutes or one on one. That one on one time takes effort. And most parents don't want to do that. That one on one time takes effort. It's just like in sales, that one on one time with your client, that 101 time takes effort. And most parents don't wanna do that, that 101 time takes effort. It's just like in sales, that 101 time with your client,

that 101 time on followup, that 101 time of writing to cart to them. Most people don't wanna put that effort. No. So today, parents are losing their kids because they're not having that 101 conversation with their kids. That's why I said, when the guy asks the question,

he's right, it takes a lot more work and effort today than it did before. Because you have more things to question today. That's a I said when the guy asked the question he's right, it takes a lot more work and effort today than it did before because you have more things to question today as a kid. You have to be more vigilant. You have to be more passionate. You have to be more passionate. You have to be more passionately passionate with your own offspring. These are your offspring. He's the one that holds your legacy. And like what Pat's saying, I mean, you know, we've all seen Pat with his family and stuff and he does a great job, you know, he's very involved. You know, but how many parents are actually doing those things? And then like you said, it requires effort.

You're supposed to grow them, but you're not feeding them. No, it's not easy, man. It's, listen, that's why I understand the argument today of not having a kid. I fully understand the argument today of not having a kid. When people make the argument of not having a kid, I get it. You're better off not having a kid. When people make the argument of not having a kid, I get it. You're better off not having a kid

that you're not gonna put time into than having a kid and saying, I don't have time to put the time into because you're just helping out the institution more. Okay, so don't do it then. Then you're right, I respect the person that says, like you know, I sat down with a guy, okay. One of the most powerful CFOs in America today.

He was in AIG-CFO when they went to the government and raised $183 billion. Successful guy, within five years or six years, they pay back to $183 plus $21 billion of interest. They were the first to pay back, AIG. As much as people trashed, AIG, they paid it back. GM still hasn't paid back. They paid it back. I said, so how long have you been married? We've been married for 30 some years, 20 some years. So how many kids you guys got? We don't have any kids.

Why not? My wife and I chose 30 years ago that our careers are kids. Okay, so now when a person hears that, what did they say? What a frickin' moron? What a moron? Why would you make your kid, you know, then another person will say,

I would never do such a thing, maybe not a moron. And another may say, well, what if they actually sat down and talked about the fact that they're not going to be able to put the time into their kids that they'd like, and it's not fair for the kid? Okay, great. That's actually a better processing. There is a form of processing that,

if you don't put into it, right? No, look at China today. Look at the statistic with China today. Kai, can you pull up that article I sent you that said within 45 years, have you guys seen this? Yeah, like the population we've cut in half, right? Cut in half, did you see this article? It did not, no.

Yeah, I just sent it to you guys earlier today. I don't know if you had a chance to take a look at it. China's population could have within the next 45 years new study warns. China's population could have, like cut in half within the next 45 years. Researchers say previous estimates may have severely underestimated the pace of democratic, democratic, demographic decline.

Census data says the birth rate was 1.3 children for each woman last year, well below the level needed to stop the population from falling low, little lower. You said it's 2.4 as well. U.S. is no, 2.4 is for it to grow. To grow. 1.3, 1.7 is a level off. Gotcha. 2.4, 2. to grow. To grow. 1.3, 1.7 is a level off. Gotcha. 2.4, 2.3, you're growing.

China's population decline may be much faster than expect the number of people in the country having within the next 45 years. The projection was based on the rate worth of 1.3. Yeah, so, but anyways, going back to the conversation we're having, if you're not going to put the time in the kids' man, you know, just, you may want to skip it. It's a lot of work today. I actually have a question for Phil as a black man. I, we were talking about watching different news sources.

Someone that's all tend to watch, sometimes it's Candace Owens. I don't know if you have any strong feelings, Pro or against her, whatever, but what she, she was speaking on a panel one time. And I remember she was having a debate with TI, the rapper. I think I saw that. Okay, and she said something to the effect

of the biggest epidemic going on in America today, well, in the black community, is the absence of the black father. And basically saying, that's why she doesn't mess with feminism at all, because, you know, it's a breakdown of the nuclear family, and then basically, I don't know that exact number, I'm sure I'll get it wrong, but it was like,

it was like 75% percent of uh... uh... young black american young african american men are are raised a lot of father could be less could be more but it was certainly more than fifty percent i don't know the exact number and she read a quote by someone saying uh... i had a father i was raised with a father and you have father and the

quote was from twoupac one of your Heroes on your on your painting the point is this As a black man you were definitely raised with a good family I'm sure you have some stories on this. What are your thoughts on African-Americans living without a father in their life? Well, my parents divorced when I was three. Oh, okay. I didn't know that. Right. So I didn't hang out with my biological father. Very often it was more like, you know, handful of times here and there. Birthday and Christmas definitely. He always made sure of those things.

Oh, come. But he was kind of absent for majority of the time. And then it wasn't up until like I was grown that we started reestablishing a relationship, however, he was taking, he passed away seven years ago, so around that time that was like, I felt cheated, but I was raised by my stepfather and my mom, but they both worked, so they both worked a lot.

So I was basically raising myself at the age of eight, nine years old, cooking, cleaning for myself. You know, I was a, you know, shoe-stringed, key kid. That was one of those guys. Luckily, I didn't burn the house down, but, you know, I had a lot of discipline in the house, and my mom definitely would have put my ass if I would have done something stupid. But as far as like being taught how to do certain things, You know, I did have that available. My family was high on education. One of my step, my stepfather, who was still alive,

he had other kids that were much older than I am, but he made sure that we always had a personal computer in the house. He was very interested in technology. He worked as a TV engineer for NBC Affiliate King Five Television in Seattle, Washington. So you had your stepfather in your life. I have a stepfather. And my father was doing his thing. Yeah. You know, he was about the the bigger picture for, you know, African American. I definitely feel that it's imperative for, let's just call it what

it is. I mean, any family dynamic requires a mother and a father to raise these kids. Absolutely. But what Candace, I believe, was saying that the absentee father is creating a big problem for the African American community, when you're talking about you just can't have women raising these kids and expect them to have exponential growth and be competitive in the workplace. They're missing out on half of what the other kids are having, period. So I definitely think it's imperative, and when the incarceration of African-American males and drug addictions and these things, you have to just play life with your eyes

and realize like use common sense. I mean, how is the kid going to respond? There's only so many success stories of a woman having a kid, you know, even in their teens or early on and thinking like, wow, I can only, I can do this by myself. No, she's gonna require a ton of help.

My best friend, my best friend who you'll meet, his mom, you know, she had him when she was like 15. And the dad was not around. Not a lot. But he's one of those kids that actually You know had help, you know had a you know a lot of family around and You know he's killing it, you know, he's you know executive with AWS, you know doing very well for himself But not every person has that story

There's not most people don't most people don't so it's definitely well, they don't but they wouldn't even if it was you know Let's just call it what it is if there's another ethnicity or like white folks. If the tables were turned, it's just people. Yeah. It's just people at the end of the day. You know, you take the white man out of the kid's life. You know, you talk about like, you know, and excuse me if I say this, but like, you know, trailer park guys or this or that or white dudes that just, you know,

at the end of the day, it's just people. You take the male out of the family, and he's non-existent with these kids, especially for a young male. A woman can only do so much. Shout out to all the single moms that have sons, but if they could have it where those single moms could have a strong man in their life.

Number one, the woman definitely needs compassionate. You know, they need a man. Okay, they need a partner. But these young boys need men. They need to understand like certain things. They're missing out on, they're missing out on certain aspects of life. This world is tough, man, and it's even tougher when you're alone, dude. And I tell you, you know, there's no doubt in my mind, I would have been in jail without my father. Even though we don't have a great relationship, we would no doubt in my mind, but I wouldn't have been able to deal with my father

if not for my mother. That I would not have been able to deal with him if not for her running interference. And if not for him, I would have been in bad, bad shape. It was a crazy wild child. You know, if you think I hate authority now, you should see. Let me ask you question. Let me ask you question.

Who would you have done better with if it was just your dad or just your mom? Wouldn't it work either way? I would have broken my mom. If my dad wasn't there, I would have broken her. I would not have done the right things early enough. I wouldn't have matured early enough not to have broken our heart if my father wasn't there.

And if my mother wasn't there, it would have been an unsustainable situation between me and my father would have come to a head and one of us would have had to go. And oddly enough, they raised three kids. They raised my sisters are incredibly, incredibly intelligent successful people. Like, you know, Alicin, as a marketing executive, Emily's and assistant

Dean, like they are incredibly successful, you know, very, very brilliant woman. And my parents probably, and I don't realize this until I'm an adult, they didn't have a great relationship. They sacrificed 30, 40 years of their life, probably being with the person that they shouldn't have been with, specifically because they decided like the CFO decided that they made their life about you guys. They made their life about us. They never missed a single game. We didn't take vacations.

Our vacations were baseball trips to, you know, the regionals, to soccer on the weekends. They never, they worked their asses off. My mom worked two jobs. My diet worked 60 hours a week. No vacations. Our vacations were soccer tournaments. You know what I'm saying? And I got to tell you, if you could give my father a truth serum right now, a beautiful Irish man. Well, never, he's, look, this is what a man does. I bet you he regrets it. I bet you he thinks that he should have made more time

for himself and his dreams and his passions along that way. I feel like he gave up too much of himself. I feel like my mom gave up too much of herself. They made it too much about us. And these are incredible parents. Are you saying they made the right choice? I don't, I think the lesson here is some sort of moderation that I don't think they could have done any better. And especially me, I did not make it easy on them. I wish I would have made it way easier on them. But they did as well as they could.

And in a grand scale, they raised a pro athlete and two incredible, incredible, you know, least successful females, right? But there's a reason me and my sisters aren't married. This was a tough relationship. We saw a lot of fighting. Well, there's still hope for you, buddy. You're 35 years old.

You do okay. I understand, but there's a reason. And there's a there's still hope for you, buddy. You're 35 years old. You do okay. I understand But it's there's a reason to it. And there's a reason why this generation's not getting married. There's a reason we saw their living longer I think that we also have options out there. They've seen divorce. I saw divorce did to my uncle. I saw my uncle Go go to work. I saw my uncle my godfather. God rest his soul work 60 hours a week Living on his sister's couch while another man lived in his house with his ex-wife. That man refused to marry my aunt because as soon as they got married, my uncle would be off the hook on Alamone.

Yep. So seven years, this man, my uncle essentially financed another man being in his house with his wife. So why would you want to be married? You know what I'm saying? So listen, I got a number for a therapist for you. Dude, I'm gonna have you call it, we're gonna set you up. All jokes aside, therapy saved my freaking wife. I'm sure so.

If anybody out there, that's not a joke. I cannot advocate for therapy as much as possible. P.B.D., you were raised by, you tell the story that your parents were married, they had Paulette divorced, got back together, had you, another divorce, left Iran, Germany, LA. Where would you be if your parents and I get with them?

I get with them, I put them on what he called it. If you look at a data wise, they should have gone married. They should have not gone married. Imperialist, communist. They should have gone married. My mom was a beautiful, she would be a model today. Tall, attractive, she performed, she was an athlete, pink pong, she got a four-year degree

in a time that women didn't get a four-year degree. My math comes from my mom's side. My mom gave me my math genetics. And then my dad on the other side was a man's man who was a guy that kept his word and respected and valued by everybody, but he was a romantic guy. Like if you ask him right now, what are our favorite movies, you know what it'll say? Notebook. Anything with Natalie Wood.

Anything with Hepburn Heat. He likes Dr. Shavago too. He the Omar Classics? Oh, he likes Dr. Shavago too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's probably watched to graduate. I don't know how many times. He's probably watched, you know, he probably watched. He's 79. How much older can he get? He's into 100 year old woman. I don't know Elizabeth. She's, but she know what, but she know what there is. There's another part to it here, man. There's another part to it here that we're not thinking about that. I think't know. I don't know. She's a football. But you know what? But you know what, there's another part to it here, man. There's another part to it here that we're not thinking about.

That I think you got to be thinking about is one. By the way, I appreciate you for opening up, man. I felt that. I totally felt that with you at the time. I hope your parents and your sisters see this. Like I hope if you know his parents and his sister forward his tomb, because he's not going to do it. But mom, that whatever you guys did,

you guys did a good job with the sky, because we love the sky. But let me say this part to you, that we don't give enough value to. Dude, we don't know which person we are in our lineage. We don't know who we are. Meaning, you look at, I watched a documentary, you read Obama's story, your Kennedy story,

and you see Joseph Kennedy has his oldest son, Joe, and he's planning to build him to be the president. And he ends up going to war. And he dies as a fighter pilot. And he was a guy that was supposed to be it and the kid who had back problems his entire life who was the youngest one that nobody expected. And the father gave up on life after the oldest son

died. He was depressed for years. And the guy that he least expected to be the president ends up becoming the president. And then you watch the documentary, Trump's turn, there is the grandfather who comes in, who has restaurants and parlors and all this stuff. I think in Alaska, out of all the places,

literally I think in Alaska, and then he has his son, Fred Trump, who moves to Jersey, New York, he makes us money, and then the grandfather didn't know that his grandson was one. They're going to be the billionaire and be the president. You don't know the sacrifice. None of us know what the hell we're here until we die. It's going to take a long time for you to really realize your purpose.

Sometimes, God's using you to be the person that he's counting on for this generation to do something big with. But sometimes he's using you to breed the person that's going to end up breeding the person that's going to end up breeding the person that's going to be the best president we've ever had. And the grandfather's never going to know about it. One of the chapels I want to saw in Venice, they said this place took 330 years to build. The first engineer that wrote out the map and the wrote out the what he called it the plan. The plan for the architecture plan. He knew what he was building.

His great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, grand kid was never going to see it. Can you imagine you got a vision that you built something that you're never going to fulfill? We forget that sometimes we're just going to come and go and it's okay, bro. Be patient. You're just playing a role in something much bigger that you don't know about that. Maybe you if you're lucky If you are lucky to see

A part of that become a reality whether you're being used in a big way or if you see it happen into your kid in your Grand Kid I consider you the luckiest man or woman alive But if you don't dude you served your purpose in a different way You just got to do you so we don't know this kind of stuff. You know, we sometimes we sit there because we tell stories like this and I sit and talk to my dad and my dad will go and say, you know, he was in love with this one girl or he was in love. My dad's a romantic. He's big time romantic guy. And you know, he's so I said, okay, but he says, you know, he says to me lately, he says, but I tell you what, man, if I didn't do that, you wouldn't be here.

Polo wouldn't be here. And look where life would have been. And I'm so glad I married your mother because I didn't even know what was taking place. And so guys, as smart as an intellectual and crazy, we sound and all this bullshit we talk, we don't have a clue what they, we gotta do our best with our life.

And there's a part of it that you gotta rely on the manups there's to see what his plans are. And whether you believe in God or not, there's a part of it that you got to rely on the manups there's to see what his plans are. And whether you believe in God or not, there's a part of me that just kind of like, you know, you still don't know what's going to happen. You don't know. You're going to go to Louis Bosse and you're going to walk up and the host is going to look at you. You're going to look at her and all of a sudden you're going to talk to her and you guys going to exchange numbers. You're going to go to dinner with her and all of a sudden you're going to be like, I feel some special with this guy. I don't know what the hell is going on.

I don't even like the feeling I got. And you're gonna break up with her and she's gonna be like, what are you doing? You have a feeling for me. Why are you doing this to yourself? Six months, 12 months of you gonna come up and say, pack him, we have a cigar,

we go to the house, we'll up to 3 o'clock in the morning and you say, I got feelings for it, but I'm scared, man. We're having that conversation. And then you marry her, then you have a kid, then you're 82 years old, your son ends up running,

becoming a president, and we read about him, and we're dead. You don't know this kind of stuff. So you just gotta sometimes, you know, you gotta let it come to you. You gotta rather than, sometimes we put so much effort in the first step, instead of realizing it. You gotta dance, man, we gotta dance sometimes. We gotta learn how to dance sometimes.

It's a crazy question for you. Staying on topic, put a little off topic. You talked about the guy who built the thing and then his grandkids and his grandkids and I just posted something on Instagram today and I want to open it up for everyone is, would you want to live forever? No. No way. No way.

You would not. There's a lot of people that do nowadays. I don't know what these are to do that. So Jeff Bezos is trying to help me. Yeah, we love Jeff Bezos, right? I think, I would love to big you back on what you were saying, we'll go quick. I think the moral of the story guys and everybody watching is life has no rehearsal.

Life has no rehearsal, so you gotta live it. Test first and you have less than second. Well, yeah, and you have to be courageous and you have to know that like it's all about leaving your mark. You know, one of the things that I would do when I would train for the Olympia is there was two routes that I would take. And one was just more of like a city route and one was more like the country route. I used to take the country route and people would say, why?

There was a cemetery that I had to drive by every time I go to the gym. And why would I go by that? Think about that for a second. Why would I let you know that you're going to be there? I'm going to be in that dirt and every time I would drive by, I look go to the gym. And why would I go by that? Think about that for a second. Why would I let you know that you're gonna be there when I'm gonna be in that dirt. And every time I would drive by, I look over to the left and I see people celebrating, I see people mourning, I see people screaming,

man, I sell it all. And that thing of the day, I used to be like, okay, when you buried your father, Phil, what did you feel? Mm-hmm. What did you feel? You'd see his name and you'd remind yourself of who he was to you and this and that. And then you realize like you're gonna be in there as well.

Where am I going with this? I wanna earn that spot, man. And I wanna have someone to be like, that was Philip Gerard Heath. And he was a bad dude. Gerard is your man. Gerard, J-E-R-R-O-D. Well, the reason I bring this up,

this weekend is gonna be the two-year anniversary of my father's death So I'm planning on like seeing my family and visiting the gravesite If you think you had a bad relationship with your dad hold my beer buddy like me and my dad literally would get in fist fights Like like what why don't you try to fight like these days? I've already been in a thousand fist fights with my father in sane but So that's sentimental anyway shifting gears, but I was watching an interview with Larry King and Neil deGrasse Tyson, if you know he's like a famous astrologist, and deGrasse Tyson asked Larry King before because he's dead now.

So obviously a few years ago he says, would you want to live forever? And just like that, Larryurking says, yes. What about you? Degrassi said, very interesting. He said, no, and I'll tell you why. He said, if you know you're gonna live forever, why do you need to get up and get up a, you know, get out of bed every morning? What's your goal? What makes people great, it's kind of like what you're saying, is knowing that your time on earth is limited. And to seize the day, and to seize the moment every single day

Because you've got this one life to make something happen and if you know you're gonna live forever Dracula type vibes What do you know tomorrow you say the number one quality of a CEO is Urgency getting shit done. So we all have this one life that that's the number one quality of Getting shit done. So we all have this one life. That's the number one quality of a leader of a leader of creating change in your company Okay, but there's other qualities for you But I see what you're saying urgency is very big, but anyway, that was it. That was his answer It was that like you've got this one opportunity and if you think you're gonna live forever like Jeff Bezos Yeah, literally I don't need to have the one life forever But I would like to keep getting spun back up and having another chance to get it right.

You wanna respond. Let me get another chance to get it right. I'll get it right this time. I'll do it right this time. You're fucking a big time right now. So, we'll do it the next time. Well, let me ask you, man. I mean, we have three incredibly highly functioning

individuals, right? How do you not lose yourself? Like I talked about, my parents, I feel like they lost themselves in being a parent because they want it to be the best parents. They wanted to be the best. And I feel like they lost themselves. They lost their relationship. They lost who they were. They lost their dreams. When you were chasing, you know, history, that becomes you. That becomes who you are. When you're building a company, you're building a family, you're running seven companies right now. How do you not lose who you are?

Like, does that, does what I'm saying makes sense? I don't know what I'm saying. No, no, I totally agree. I totally agree. And on that part, there is a little bit of a confusion today for men and parents. I totally agree. This, this, this, like, you know, sometimes, you know,

parents say things like, I gave everything for you. I did everything for my, I wish you would have done a little bit for yourself Yes, right. You like my mother. I wish you would have remarried somebody. Yeah, you know, it's like I don't want to hear about the fact They didn't get remarried for me I don't tell you not to get remarried You chose not to get remarried and my dad's like I didn't want to get remarried I'm like dude I was okay if you wanted to get me as I don't want to get remarried

I'm totally fine with this I totally agree with that part as well that you still have to serve your purpose a guy asked me question He says you know my wife wants me to shut down the business. I say, your wife wants you to shut down the business. He says, yes. I said, okay, what do you want to do? He says, I don't know. I love my wife.

She says, shut it down because it's too much pressure and go and get the job and make your $60,000 of your income. I said, what do you want to do? He says, well, this is what I want to do. I'm thinking about making her happy. And I'm going to quit my job. It's okay, fine. Let me have a conversation with both of you together.

So we go and we sit down with both of them. I said, so tell me what you want to do with him. I want him to quit his business. Why, it's not working. Really, it's not working. Okay, cool. It's not working because he's not working or you don't think the business won't work

and you're not patient. No, he's working. He's doing this part, but it's been a year and I don't see you taking off. Okay, fine. Do you think if he eventually does it could take off? Yeah, probably, but right now, I would much rather have him work a regular job and make 50, 60K

a year. I said, let me paint a picture for you. I said, are you okay? Is your dream to be a business owner and do bigger things in your life? Yes, what are they? He talks about it. I want to do this. I want to do this. I want to do this. I want to do this. I want to see this happen to my wife and my kids. Great. Would you like that to happen to him as well and to use well? I would. Fantastic. Say you go and do what she tells you to do. Fast forward to your 70 years old, 75 years old. And you're sitting there and you were forced to not pursue your dream because your wife, how do you feel about her right now? resentment. Yeah. A lot of I said, I said, what I said, how do you

think men act out their resentment? How do you think men act out their resentment? Yeah. I mean, that's like shit., what else? What else? What else? Escape and going and visiting your family, spending more time with your friends. Do you think a man would resent? Is a good father? You think again, good men with resentment is a good husband? No, you see all these old, crotchety men and you wonder why they're so they're just ruined my dreams. But you know what? Not to change a topic here, but earlier, I got news from the bodybuilding community. We're talking about this a little bit right now. I want to kind of come to you because Carolines, I think to get you to come out and come talk

to Phil, I was on a Zoom with the board and all this other stuff. So I step out and Phil and. And we have a conversation together. And a George Peterson, 37 years old, who was competing for, I believe, the two 12, uh, uh, Mr. O'Connor class. Yeah. Uh, today, uh, news comes out. He's supposed to compete this weekend. He's in Orlando. He posted a story just 12 hours ago. And he posted a, uh, something on Instagram just a day ago that he's eating the meal in his room. They find him dead and a lot of different stories came back and this is from evolution of bodybuilding. The story I was reading about that was shared with me. But you know, there's a lot of

things that's going on right now. Phil, you're in this world. I'm not in this world. If you don't mind sharing, yeah, that's Georgia, Peterson at 37 years old. Just a, just a beautiful physique and a really, really good man in my, my heart goes out to him. His family, his sister, his mother, it's tough. Like, like, when I found out, you know, I was very upset. I'm still upset. This one hurts pretty hard because, when you go on tour together and you travel the world, you can do the expose, you do all those things, you get to know each other a little bit. Different than just hitting each other up on social media.

And you get to see that smile was real. Always smiling when he was talking and stuff. And I mean, look, this, I mean, look at this physique. Just incredible. It is beautiful. And he worked, he worked so hard. And we don't know the cause of it. So, you know, I'm not going to speculate. I just want to celebrate his life and as a human being, I mean, he was just a really good person. And, you know, going into this weekend, it's it's you know I'm not going to be attending you know I just I just want everyone that is attending to celebrate George you know

um the bodybuilding community is actually really strong and they they're very resilient when things like this happen unfortunately they do happen um and we've had a lot of death within our industry over the past 18 months. Is it more than usual, Phil? I would say so. You know, there was a couple guys, you know, a couple suicides, you know, and obviously during COVID and stuff like that, you know, people weren't able to go to the gym, and that was like their, you know, their thing.

Escape. Yeah. They're escape. Exactly. What bothered me the most, and that Gerard was able to, you know know allow me to have some time to chat about it was he was by himself And that's what I I'm having a hard time with because you know during the weekly Olympia guys. I mean we are you know very very lean and You know we we do things you know to try to get rid of water and stuff like that.

And, you know, we do a lot. You know, we're just exhausted. Guys, we're exhausted. And the biggest thing that I always tried to maintain was, you know, a cordon nucleus of friends and people. You know, my trainer, Honey Rambud, is actually, you know, the coach of Hottie Chopin and a few other guys that are getting ready for the show. Hottie was always with me, no matter what.

He would watch me, he would watch me, he would watch me pose, he just didn't leave my side. Just in case of something went wrong, like in 2009, I just try to make it about myself. I had food poisoning, he was there. When the EMT showed up, he was there, he didn't leave. So, I know I don't wanna call out his trainer or anything like that. I just, to be honest, to be selfish,

I wanna know what happened. Personally, I just wanna know what happened. And I hope that the truth comes out. Is protocol for somebody to always be with the person that's competing, like, especially at this level, the store of the... I think it is, in his situation, what people don't recognize

and I didn't preface this is that, you know, George used to compete in classic and then he moved up to 212. And in 212, just so everybody knows, this 212 is 212 pounds. So he, you know, you're normally starting off, let's just say you start off at 245 pounds, you're dieting down and, you know, you compete. You know, and this is like a heavyweight at 245 pounds, you're dieting down and you compete.

And this is like a heavyweight boxer or boxer, they got a weigh-in and stuff. You have to see guys that got a weigh-in. What I was told is that he was, basically, he was already at the top of his weight division and it was already gonna be difficult, but I heard that he was a little bit too big. And when I say too big,

the guy was, he maybe could have competed in an open. Because maybe his body just wanted to be bigger, I guess. And when I say bigger, it's not like a- 225 to 30 or? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, maybe he would be better at that.

But the fact is, is that when you try to suck down just like a wrestling or something like that in high school, whatever, you're trying to make weight. And like without heavily speculating, I just feel like when you're trying to make weight, it becomes very difficult. You know, you could be wearing a sun suit, you could be doing all these other things.

And you're already exhausted. So when the news comes out, you know, hopefully we actually get the truth. You know, I think when I say the truth, I wanna know because it's imperative that we understand as athletes, because we are elite, like we're at the top. But I don't know how to address

like what happened without knowing what happened. Just out of curiosity, let me speculate, let me speculate out of curiosity. Is in back in the days, I remember diuretics was a big deal. I remember like one time something happened to Paul Delette, you remember the whole thing when he locked up and it were talking about you know all this stuff and Sean Ray had an incident We even talked about it on the program

I think where he won the classic and then it was given away. I don't know what happened something happened With that what contest they were checking for diuretic usage and I believe that he you know tested positive So they are the diuretics, you know, basically it's hard blood hard blood pressure meds. You know, it helps, you know, get rid of water. Essentially. Sucks, it sucks everything out of your body. So you've already got, so you've already got like, you know, no fat left.

You hope that you do. Okay. And then if you have like a little bit of film of water and stuff, I mean, just to get, you know, everything's dried out. So you're drying your body. Yes. And you're, you know, you can, you can, to be quite honest, you can push it. And, you know, I mean, look, like this is F1, you know,

this isn't, you know, like you guys can understand what I'm saying. Of course. Yeah. But, but was it, was it illegal that became elite? Was it something that was frowned upon that Mr. Olympia started saying, it's okay. If you you take it not like they don't test for it anymore. I don't you know there's random you know there's random got it. So you know he wasn't this is not to say that he was at all. Exactly but I you know I'm just going to lean on the fact that you know he was by himself and I just wish that he wasn't and you know I can you know and I'm not going to point blame the trainer I'm just saying like I just wish that he wasn't. And, you know, I can, you know, and I'm not gonna point blame at the trainer, I'm just saying, like, I just, I just know like, from my experience, I always had someone with me,

whether it be my trainer or my girl, you know, someone, because I just feel like it's very important to monitor anything, like just to keep your mind, you know, like, when I get ready for the Olympia, I'm so dehydrated for like three days that my mind, like, I can't, I can't process thoughts. So, I just need someone to kinda like three days that my mind like I can't I can't process thoughts

So I just need someone to kind of like keep my mind off of your message be if you could convey anything to the participants this weekend to Especially for I'm gonna speak to the two 12 guys You're gonna go up there and you're gonna give it everything you got But you're gonna remind yourself that George is not there and you're going to pose for him. And in the event that you guys can come together and create some type of message to support one another, you do it. And moving forward, we just have to, you know, we're going to always compete at a very high level, but we got to remind ourselves that we're not promised anything and just celebrate his life

because we all got the pictures and stuff, you know, I don't know what to post. Yeah, I don't know what to say. But all I know is that like, you know, he's he's passed on and I'm sad and you know, my heart goes out to his family. You know he has a ton of friends in our industry. He was he was just the nicest guy I'm sorry, man, you know, but uh who who is who is protecting the athletes? There's no teams. There's no union. There's there's no I mean, there's five or six different organizations I think back to There's no, I mean, there's five or six different organizations. I think back to, there's something that happened in the last

Tyson Fury Deontay Wilder fight that hit me so hard to my core. He fired his training, his training staff. Deontay Wilder, because his corner stopped the fight. He was cut and Deontay Wilder fired him because he was like, you need to let me die in the ring. I never quit. I'm not a quitter. And his corner stopped the fight. De fired him because he was like, you need to let me die in the ring. I never quit. I'm not a quitter. And his corner stopped the fight.

And the out-of-the-wilder seriously said, you gotta let me die. And I go out on my shield. And that hit me so hard because I felt the exact same way. If when I was in the minor leagues, Adam, I shit you not. If you told me, Gerard, here's a pill. And if you take this pill, you're going to the major leagues. But you're going to die at 40. I would have taken it without even thinking twice. I would have gobbled it before you could have even described anything. The anything outside of my immediate goal

was so abstract. Anything I wanted. Bro, you're locked in. I would have traded anything. I would have traded second half of my life to achieve that goal. You're locked in dude. Who is protecting you guys from yourself? The trainers. They're supposed to. The wives, the girlfriends. Back in 2009, I was getting ready for the Miss Olympics on that Thursday night. I wasn't feeling right. Next you know I'm puking my brains out.

I lost 20 pounds within that time period. EMTs were called at 5.30 in the morning and they did not want me to compete. And I probably shouldn't have. But yeah, was I praying to God saying, like, please let me compete? Absolutely. Because I'm thinking, my purpose was like, these fans have flown so far that I just need to show up.

I just wanna show up. I just wanna do it. I just wanna try. I'm not gonna win, but I wanna try. And I made it, and I had to make a deal with the EMTs and say, if I get sick one more time while they're there, I have to quit. And I didn't. But they still stayed for like another hour to check vitals and this and that. Um, you know, I almost feel bad for even, you know, and I'm not comparing myself, but it's going back

to what you're saying. I mean, my mindset was just like, I gotta keep going. So it is hard, but again, I wasn't by myself when I was sick. So you have to make sure, if any advice for the athletes, you've got to make sure guys that you, you're not by yourself. Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe let me ask you a different question. Maybe, how often does the Master Olympia brand hold trainers accountable and have conversations with them? What's the relationship between the brand and the trainers if they're that

heavily involved in these types of decisions? Good, good. At an addition to that, what's the qualifications to be an Olympia trainer? How do you do these guys? Are they gonna be a certified? How do you? I mean, there would be no different than a boxing trainer. It's the same thing. So I mean, like, it's the same thing. Like, but I'm curious, the first one. Is there a relationship between Mr. Olympia and the trainers? Or no, okay.

I mean, it's not like, I mean, it's independent. They can do whatever they want to do. Right. And ultimately, I'm just gonna call for what it is. I mean, we're grown men, women, whatever that can beat. I have to be okay with what I do with my own body as well. But with Jharab was saying earlier,

who's protecting the athlete from themselves, and usually it's supposed to be your team. And I have always made sure that I did have my best friend there, my girl there, my trainer there. Some, like when I say my best friend, like he would be the one that, if something were to happen, he'd look me in the eye eye and say I've known you for the longest out of anybody I think you need to stop and I would and he would be the one that I would listen to so I think athletes moving forward

You always got to make sure that you have someone that Will hit that button for you and you respect it Because you just don't want to push yourself too far and anything. I mean Pat You you you have a best friend that would probably sit you down and be like hey, man You know, you're working too much this and that you know or hey man I think you need to spend more time with your family or whatever and you would listen to one Well, I think we all have those people you You told me you had panic attacks, anxiety attacks. Plenty of them.

Yeah, I mean, you know, it's just, yeah, this is a different world. Because this is, I didn't put stuff, you know, I'm not, you know, it's a very different world in this world. You're different with chemical, and you're definitely, I mean, I'm just going to call it for what it is. You're definitely dealing with, you know, chemical muscle is. You're definitely dealing with, chemical muscle enhancement. You're definitely dealing with certain things. I'm not gonna speculate at what he was doing

or anything like that. All I know is that my friend died, man. He passed. And you know, I don't, I just need more information. I need more data. So he doesn't, I just wanted, I thought it was, I appreciate you sharing, because I'm sure the audience is wondering what your thoughts are

and I saw where you were at before. I thought it was appropriate for you to share your thoughts with it. And to the bodybuilding world, man, you know, it's, uh, it's one of those things that when a guy decides to go compete in that world, it's tough to explain the height, the desire to want to do that. It's not for everybody. People think it's just a regular thing. It's so technical and detailed for what they do. Prayers goes out to George and his family

on what they're going through right now. Because at the end of the day, I wonder what they're thinking about. They're the ones that are probably going through the toughest pains right now, seeing these stories coming from all over the place. So if Dylan and Tiko wanted to be a bodybuilder, what would you say? Like at what level? They wanted to be Mr. Olympia. I would say only do it if you have a chance to win the whole thing, not to just compete. It's what I would say. Only do it if you have the chance.

I would have them go sit with guys like him to say, you'd be a top 10 guy, you ain't going to be, you ain't going to be. So I don't think you ought to do it. And then at that point, if you want to do it for you know for yourself to have fast Maybe it's very interesting what you just said. Yeah, I don't see a point to do Mr. Olympia unless if you're gonna Wind the whole thing matter of I don't even think there's point to a lot of things until you can become very very good at that world Everyone's got their own talent. I think there's certain people that like I lived this morning I was at the gym early.

I loved right now what's going on. You right now training. Are you and I gonna go compete senior in Mr. Olympia anytime soon? I don't know, he may, but he was talking about a last time, but. But the extreme nature of it doesn't scare you. I think one of my kids is gonna pursue

some kind of extreme level of competition, whether it's business, Hollywood, scripts, sports, you know, I don't know. And there's nothing I can tell them to stop because you couldn't tell me anything to stop. Nobody can tell me to stop. You can't, you just can't tell somebody like that what they're gonna be doing.

But I think what you said was really, actually what you said is actually what I told myself, was like if I'm gonna do this, I better make sure that I'm making a living from it and that I can get everything out of it that I want. And if I'm doing the Mr. Olympia, I best damn sure better be able to be highly, I mean highly competitive. And if I'm not, I gotta give myself like three to five years and I gotta pick another path. I agree. I agree. Well, you said something that I just gotta, I have that question.

Like, to me, you said you would have done whatever drugs or whatever it took. And if you were to be dead by the age of 40, so be it. Die on your sword in the ring. You're saying for sure. That to me is, look, respect to your opinion. That to me is the exact opposite

of how I'm living my life. I wanna live a long time. I wanna have kids. I wanna have grandkids. I'm seeing my friends. But that may have been where you, I want to have kids, I want to have grandkids, I want to see my friends. But that may have been like where you were at when you were younger. I can't explain it to you. Right, I'm not judging you, I'm just letting you know where I'm at. I feel a little judgment though, I feel like you're judging me.

I just, I think you see all these athletes, you know the saddest thing, I go to the fucking Dolphins game and you see these guys and they get paraded out on the field and they're 75 years old now. And their legacy is that they were the undefeated team on the dolphins. 50 years later, they're like, I was on the team. It's like, buddy, do something else with your life

at this point. I'm not saying that none of them are it. Dude, you want to see what the likes of the world. Watch the 86 meth documentary that's great. We talked about it a little bit. Once Paul Tommy Cleans, watch let me dice train that in that doc. And they ask him, they're like, was it worth it? He goes, I was on the greatest team in the history of sports. What else is ever going to compare to that?

Okay. I was talking about a 35 years later. The guy is toothless and brainless at this point. But that's my point. What's you're willing to sacrifice everything for the first 25, 30 years of your life and the rest of your life is so mean. By the way, the world is ran by those people. That's what I was gonna say. What do you mean, ran?

Let me look at that. Look, the world is made run by 70 and 80 years. What country are you living in right now? It was the United States of America. Okay, the people who founded it, what did they do? They fought for their freedom, of course. You think there were some people in Britain and they're like, okay, no, no.

Don't compare Lenny Dykstra to George Washington. Oh, I'm Girard, George Washington. No, no, wait a minute. No, no, no. You said dolphins, I'm not talking Girard, you said dolphins. Okay, I'm just saying, it's people that give everything. Dude, you know what you just said right there?

What did I say? We're talking about Adam. Do you feel like Adam, I think? Let me explain to you. So you mean to tell me, so right now, your 22 year old son is watching this. And he's obsessed about being the greatest, whatever, whatever, whatever.

You gonna tell him, dude, relax. If it means, if it means putting some harmful products in your body and dying in the next five years, the dolphins have nothing to do with that. I didn't say putting in stuff in your body. I'm just saying, I'm giving, using George's words, if it means ruining your body and literally dying. Well, George a little extreme in the way you do. Well, that's, that's what I was asking. I know what you said dolphins. That's the type of proposal. If you eliminate dolphins, yeah. Okay. I'm saying, is it, for me, do you want to die by 40 or live a long life? At 35. I didn't understand what you're saying.

But you have to ask me so. I didn't understand. Yeah, but you have to ask me so for a long time. I think the thing is that. I think the thing is that. But it's like 35. But it's like 35. Dude, legacy means so much.

Okay. So in a weird way, I'll tell you, so much. Okay, so like it's 35 now. In a weird way, I'll tell you, in a weird way, my body would have died, but my legacy would have lived on. I would have been a big leader forever. Do you understand what I'm saying? Like, all my, every, doesn't do anything for me.

Nothing. What if you're a big leader? I don't think I'm going to be on the bench the entire time. You're in the big leagues, bro. Like, I don't, guys, I don't, I know it's dumb. I don't know how to explain it to you. So fun. I don't know how to explain.

There's, there's some kind of, there's some kind of legal out there listening to this that knows exactly what I'm saying. Of course. Of course. Let me give you a little optics. You said if you were on the bench, at least you would have died on the bench.

There's a big dent, and I want you to live to the, literally your journal, 150 years old. I'm gonna go down. He's gonna go down a seven time Mr. that's a big day and I want you to live to the literally your journal, 150 years old. He's going to go down a seven-time Mr. that's a legacy. You because you made it to the major leagues and you know you hit 220 for half a season. That's something that he doesn't use. Okay, I get it. But if he doesn't use that.

I get it. That's what he values. But is it, but to use Pat's point, if you're going to do this, I want you to be the best of the best the best not riding the pine No, man like that's what he said if Dylan if Dylan or Tika are gonna do it He wants them to be the old man the old man and the sea. Yeah, you ever read the old Throw some earnest having you ever read the What have you ever read it the old man? Yes, in eighth grade. I had to read it

What he was willing to die for that fish? He was willing to die for a fish for that fish Yeah, I read mommy did that fish. All right, hey, let me ask you a question step outside with you right now, George Hey, you like that fish you like art, right? You like art, right? He's the arch. Okay, so basket I'll how old did he die 27 right 27 Talk about impact that a hero and overdose So obviously he was doing it like you know creating these masterpieces, right? You know how expensive those pieces are right now we Very very expensive right Pat a box cats. It's it's ridiculous. Yeah, all right. Let me give you let me throw something your way

Let me take a rather would your rather be would your rather be Two-pok died by at age 25 What would you rather is to park dead and I'm not joking about that like Like like he said we've covered one story Yeah, I'm just gonna put this side to box gonna live forever these guys Would you rather be two-pock or biggie? They both died, you know in their 20s Yeah, oh would you rather be Jay-Z worth a billion and he's gonna live for till he's a hundred years old

Well now would you rather be you don't have a choice? You don't have to know you do not have a choice. I want to be Jay-Z No, what I'm trying to tell you is, I love girls, girls, girls, girls. Yeah, so the point I'm trying to make to is everyone's dreams are different. I get it, but if you're dreams end up dead. You right now, I guarantee you there's a group of people listening to this that fully subscript to your way of thinking.

To think I'll live. Yeah, and yeah, the same life, I fully get it, and I guarantee there's a group of by the way like your opinion But the point is there's certain people man who feel they got a calling on them Who feel like they want to do something bigger and that life is not necessarily the most Exciting life to get to the point of it becoming a reality that journey can be annoying at times. I feel you I get it, but it's also I'll use this analogy that I use with when I do saw stocks You got one minute or change in the store and go

Fine, put a timer for the same I see kids in their 20s that are partying like there's no tomorrow in salvage They're spending all their money. They're yoloing it up. They're killing it They're doing and I have to remind them, dude, one day you're gonna be 30. One day you're gonna be 40. Don't spend all your money. Don't do all the drugs now. Don't do all the drugs now.

I would later. Spread it out. Save your money. Occasional. All right, next. Have some moderation, dude. Like I'm done. All the drugs. I'm ready to do all the money now. All the money now. Did you guys go to the bar before this would add them? All right next

Did you guys go to the bar before this would Adam like is as Adam at a few drinks today I had one goal zero value today I want to live a long life. I want to have kids. I want to be a grandfather. I want to do that. Let's talk about a serious topic. Playboy releases October covering featuring a man. Go ahead.

Let me say that one more time. October's issue of Playboy is a man. 2012 Digital Government Future, Bretman Rock, a 23 year old male social media influence originally from the Philippines digital government featured Bretman, rock, a 23 year old male social media influence originally from the Philippines. It's Bretman. The company set on Twitter when they unveiled the October Fraud Cover Friday attached to the Post,

was a short video, Bretman dressed in a woman's lingerie and heels with about bow tie and bunny ears, completing the look, rock rose to fame as an influencer on YouTube and Vine, later releasing his own line of makeup to go along with the makeup tutorial, videos, later releasing his own line of makeup to go along with the makeup tutorial videos you often post, rocks appearance on the Playboy cover will not be the first time he has appeared on a magazine cover,

having previously been seen on the cover of Gate Times in 2019. So why Playboy overplay girl? I wanna get you inside. I think you have the best inside of you. Have you ever seen him do his social media? I've seen him on different videos. He is legit hilarious. So before I get into like why I think this is definitely

very wrong and not cool at all, man, he's hilarious. And my ex-girlfriend used to love him and watch his stuff. But this is where Playboy's at now. This is how tarnished their brand is. This is how irrelevant they are that they're looking for something to get them out of the dumpster fire that Playboy is now. They had, I don't know what we've talked about on the podcast, what you could buy Playboy brand for and turn it around and turn it into something freaking awesome. But this is where they're going now. They're taking the gage dude, putting them in heels and throwing him on the cover.

Not play girl. Play boy. Hugh would be turning in his grave right now. And on someone who has partied in the play boy mentioned a few times, there's a lot of better stuff out there to pick from than the Bretman. I'm just letting you know. I'm wondering what the girls think.

Seriously, because it is a competition, right? As a model. Yeah, you know, they took it. They took their job There's gonna be a feminist supporting women Jobs but you know the first my first reaction is why not play girl Yeah, you know what you said that first. Yeah, I asked the question Well, you brought out up yesterday when you say why not play growl over playboy, but then also Is it selling You know is there numbers that support you know to me like Is it a magazine what do we be talking about it?

I pull up what I'm just female would we be talking about it? It's no it works. I couldn't care less man. Is this still more what anything else is this still shocking to us? Like is it I'll be honest. When I saw Mrs. Nevada, I was shocked. I was like, that's, that's, and then I thought, like, wow, you know, I felt bad for biological women because I'm like, man, this is a, this is a, a, a miracle of surgery.

Right. Who is Mrs. Nevada? What was that? Mrs. Nevada is a transgender woman now who won Mrs. Nevada. You know, very beautiful in all that. But I mean, like that was shocking in who it was, right? Whereas this playboy thing to me is just, it's a publicity stunt. It's a gimmick.

Yeah, that's, that's, yep. It's a Mrs. Nevada. So that is, that's, that's, yep. It's missing the bottom. So, yeah, that, that to me, like, Vegas, baby. Yeah, if that was on, now, if that was on, if she was on the cover of Playboy, would that even raise an eyebrow? Would we talk about it?

You know, like, I'm, I'm, so it's a good thing that I'm so desensitized is that what we're at, make nothing burger. But I guess I should have read in society. I mean, we're at? Big nothing burger? So here's where we're at in society. I mean, we're just like, okay, so whatever is just gonna be clickbait and something that we can just talk about, doesn't matter what it is then, huh? I got stats here.

Here's a Playboy magazine. I'm purely looking at business. Demos. This is the Playboy magazine's demographics. If you can flip a Saudi audience, can see it, David. So male, 83%, female, 17.3 17.3% okay fine age 18 to 24 quarter 25 to 34 another quarter 35 to 44 21 45 to 54 15 and a half percent. So say 18 to 54 is a majority of their market 9.7% about 55 watch playboy. Okay

look at playboy. Howhold income, 16% make six figures. That's pretty solid by the way. People with money subscribe to playboy. Meritle status, 40% are married, 45% are single, and you got the rest. Full-time professional management students that subscribe into the content. So now, if this is a publicity stunt for getting people to talk about it, am I going to go buy it if I'm getting publicity on this? I'm probably not going to buy it. You know someone I'm saying, I don't know if this kind of publicity gets me to buy it.

If it's to attract a new audience, okay, go. Yes, you're doing it. If you are trying to attract a new audience, but that new audience isn't as big of an audience as people think. It's less than 1% that you're looking at it as an audience. So if you, Jerry Springer years ago, had was doing his Jerry, Jerry, Jerry on one day,

he says, I'm smarter than this. I know politics. I used to be a mayor since the Senate before I cut that check to that lady, but I'm a mayor. I know politics. I should have my own show. And he started talking about serious issues

in his morning show. His numbers plummeted. You know what they realized? Who are your viewers? Is mothers and wives that are staying home that just want to be entertained for the time that you got? What are you doing talking about serious issues? That's the last thing they want to hear you talk about

and you lost your audience. So we're going to find that if in the next six, 12, 18 months of Playboy bankruptcy or another bankruptcy again, they totally disrespected your audience. So we're going to find that if in the next six, 12, 18 months of playboy bankrupt, a file store, another bankruptcy again, they totally disrespected their audience. But if this thing takes off, listen, maybe they were targeting an audience that we would not pay the price. It does reeks of desperation.

It does reek of desperation for sure. I agree with you. Yeah. This seems like it's publicity stunt, but nobody like, by the way, when you were reading the stats, they're just like every day American. You know, 30 year old guy makes 60 grand a year, you know, maybe he's married, maybe he's not, just wants to see a hot chick, see some titties.

All good, have a beer, see some titties, all good. Now I gotta see this. Seven o'clock Adam is my far away, my favorite Adam. Let's both share whatever you did. All Adam. Let's do one last time. Sorry. Let's go about let's do Pandora papers because we haven't done it yet. Go to page three to do Pandora papers. This is the last story before we wrap up. I got a head out. Pandora papers biggest ever leak of offshore data exposes financial secrets of rich and powerful. This is a guardian story. If you can pull it up as well, millions of documents

reveal offshore deals, assets of more than 100 billionaires, 30 world leaders, 300 public officials, branded the Pandora papers, the cashier, included 11.9 million files from companies hired by wealthy clients to create offshore structure and trust in tax havens such as Panama, Dubai, Monica, Switzerland, and Cayman Islands.

The Pandora papers represent the latest and the largest in terms of data volume in the series of major leaks of financial data that have convulsed the offshore world since 2013. The famous ones that appear in Pandora's papers, Shakira, Ringo, Star, 20 Blair, King Abdullah, Second of Jordan, Guillermo, Lasso, President of Ecuador, Elton, John,

Claudio Schifre, and Sh Shifre and amongst many other names. Who else do you have here? Tony Blair, we've talked about those guys. Vladimir Putin's also on there. The papers reveal the extraordinary hidden wealth of Russian President Vladimir Putin's inner circle. His childhood front and an alleged former lover are amongst those revealed to have a mass extraordinary wealth hidden through offshore companies. Okay. What do you think about this Gerard? This just goes to show, guys, that there is a completely different world out there. When we talk about the global elites and people are like, oh, it's a conspiracy.

You're going crazy again. How many more times do you need to see it? How many times do you need to see the Panama papers? How many times do you need to see the Pandora papers? How many times do you need to have, howora papers? How many times do you need to have, how many more Jeffrey Epstein's do you need to have be paraded in front of you? How many more times do you have to read

about the pentagon papers? Guys, there is a completely different world out there for the global elites that we know nothing about. Then while they're taxing you and taking all of your stuff, all right, and taking your future, and right now they're gonna raise the debt limit, where, okay, what, where does that money go? That money goes, how did Trump pull us out of the Paris Accords?

How does he pull us out of the WHO? Okay, so our money goes to NATO, American tax dollars goes to NATO, goes to the Paris Accords, the climate change, this climate change, oh, climate change, this and that. And then it all ends up where in these offshore accounts with these globalist oligarchs, it's a big club as the late great George Carlin would say,

and you ain't in it. And the person here that I feel most disgusted about is Julian Assange. Julian Assange is going to die in a prison. He's going to die in a prison for exposing the truth. Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, is going to die. And they're probably the elites will probably have his name stricken from the records. And there'll be a few crazy, killing on conspiracy theorists on a blockchain. A hundred years from now talking about there was a guy named Julian Assange who knew that all this stuff was going on.

He knew that there was sex trafficking going on. New that there was offshore accounts where people were using diamonds to sell access and they were funneling billions and billions and billions of hardworking everyday people's money into their own freaking pockets while they're dividing us down. You know what? I can go for another hour and a half don't don't be gonna be starting on this guys if If you're not reading this if you're not paying attention to this and if you don't see what's actually going on I will we can't help you anymore Yeah, but why is this any any of this new?

Like this has been going on for years. We all saw in the Wolf of Wall Street Swiss bank accounts Jordan Belford Strapping money onto people. You're brought up to pantomopapers, wealthy people, shock or alert, don't want to give up all their loot to the government. It's not the, it is what it is. It's not the money, right?

The money is the hypocrisy, where they'll sit there and they'll tell you that you're not paying your fair share. And I need to take another 25% of Mr. Bet David's wealth because I need blah, blah, blah, there's poor kids and starving in Sarasota. And then the money ends up where? Okay. We don't have a revenue problem in this country. And they want to do a global tax now, mind you. They're the global taxes coming, global business taxes coming, global income taxes coming. It's all coming, right? So we, we, whatever amount of revenue we generate they don't pay their taxes it goes to

their offshore they don't play the rules that they make us play by they don't play by those rules so the hypocrisy pisses people off and I can understand the average person doesn't have 50 million dollars to figure out that person doesn't have 50 thousand dollars but you have to understand the access that's being sold this is this is access game. This is okay, Tony Blair. Tony Blair, the prime minister of great Britain, our biggest ally in the world, the head of NATO, right? The front lines on Europe, now you make 250,000 pounds a year, buddy.

Where did you get $100 million? How? Would you get that money, but you make 200 grand. Would you get the money? You got caught with 50 million? Where, where did you get that money, buddy? What deals are being made that we don't know? What access is being sold that we don't know?

You understand what I'm saying? They wanna go after Trump's tax reports. How long do we hear about Trump's tax reports we are we need Trump's tax returns but he's Trump's tax return is lying about his money he's actually a decadent millionaire he's not a billionaire and then these guys have have the balls to have a hundred million dollars stored offshore where did they get the money dude

we're how did they acquire this well you're all i mean Tony Blair good question but obviously everyone else on this list, Elton John, King of Doola, Vladimir Putin. Yeah, we know it. They got the frickin' money. They got the frickin' ... But something that you're, I don't know, I don't want to say discounting, there is an entire profession in this country called estate planners, trust in estates, attorneys, tax attorneys.

I go to a conference called the Hickering estate planning conference I'll be going in January there's an entire occupation that the elite mega billionaire multi-millionaires hire these tax estate they avoid estate taxes it's all legal it's all legal where's the revenue coming from what would you mean the revenue see I Say these people have these money and they're illegally avoiding a state taxes Yeah, but he's saying like where is 250,000 dollars? Generating a hundred million dollars money, but I can assure that we know where Elton John got his money and Tony Okay, King Abdullah got his money Right, there's a cypress ring go star got as money some of these people actually made

this money they just want to avoid taxes which I'm okay with that's the stuff baby I really don't care so we're trying to you like save that money I say keep that money so which one is more concerned with where they got the money I'm more concerned with where the head of figures the head of state of where they got the money sure I don't know does this hurt them? These guys right now who are on that list sitting there pissed off that these things are public.

Do you think they're frustrated about it? Is it in good luck? Yeah, I don't think that's how I'm gonna have you. What's the bad luck? What's the bad luck? The fact that they have offshore money, money offshore or what's the, I don't know if this changes anything. We know that rich people do stuff to avoid taxes.

Okay. You know how they got the money? Good question. But that's something Pelosi, we saw what happened with Pelosi. There's two business models. One, go make it yourself, two, go create the laws to benefit you. I mean, that's the politics. Take it.

Yeah. I mean, it's not anything new that's going on. I just wondered this. I mean, this keeps happening over and over and over again. People are fascinated with knowing how much money people have. You know, my God. Let me see how much money this guy has. Let me see where he has his money at.

But do you think these guys were getting these papers, hoping other people's names were under and they were disappointed? Is he kind of like, I was hoping we should have Trump or we were open and someone's on, oh, okay, let's just put it out there and it wasn't right it up.

We said, we're going in or whoever found it. We've got this. We're some of these guys so excited to have other names on their Shakira. Okay, good for Shakira. You know what this tells me? Would Shakira, whoever recounting this and whoever's CPAs, she's probably got better

ones than JLo does. So you know, who's Shakira's people working for? That's advising on things like this. But no, I think maybe they were looking for other names too that was going to be a little bit bigger and they didn't hit. And quite frankly, those people are disappointed. All the other guys, every few years you're going to find a little bit bigger and it didn't hit and Quite frankly those people are disappointed all the other guys every few years You're gonna find out where the wealth especially nowadays people getting better at getting this kind of information This is no longer a big news was like you talked about earlier was Jen Sack you refusing to admit

Let's read that let's let's wrap that up page eight Sack you won't say whether Hunter Biden has divested from Chinese private equity firm or not Did I say page eight yet yeah, White House Press Secretary, Jane Secchi, a Monday of Refuse to say what the President Biden's son, Hunter has divested his 10% stake in a Chinese equity from the firm despite the President's pledge to prohibit family members from engaging

in international business dealings. Chinese business records reviewed by Fox News indicate Hunter Biden still holds 10% stake in one Chinese private equity firm. This comes after then decade, then candidate Joe Biden said in October 2019 that his family would not engage in business dealings with other countries overseas. Hunters previously sat on the Chinese firm's board before announcing in October 2019 that he would be stepping down from mounting scrutiny from his father's presidential

bid. I actually want to know how sacky answer this question. Can you pull up exactly what she said in here? If you have it, I want to know what that exchange sounded like. Was it like blowing you off or was it actually an answer that's not saying about Hunter Biden? Let me see how this was. Can you imagine what China has on Hunter Biden?

Can you imagine the blackmail that they have on Joe Biden, Hunter Biden like, this dude is like, he's Frado, right? Like, I mean, he's Frado Corleone. He's not saying the exact same thing that the liberal said about Trump and Russia. I would say Bush's daughters would be closer to Hunter Biden, but that's even like, that's really disrespecting Bush's daughters would be closer to Hunter Biden, but that's even like, that's really disrespecting Bush's daughters.

This is a rancor. This guy's a, he's a massive drug addict. This is a rancor. Her answer is I'd point you to his representative on that. He doesn't work in the administration. And then again, I convey to you, and then I think I'm going to have to move on, that you should talk to his representatives. Sackie said in February that Hunter was in a process of unloading his shares in February He has been working to unwind his investment, but I would certainly point you

He is a private citizen. I would point you to him or his lawyers on the outside on any update So she said in October in February that this was gonna happen now. She's just avoiding it saying it's not my job She's not part of the administration go look elsewhere You know as a voter do you think that you know gets get somebody that voted for them to say yeah, I really don't care Like does that change your mind about Biden's vote in 2024? Are you kind of like oh my gosh? I can't believe this is happening. It's gonna change my way of voting. I've been pretty clear I could care less about Hunter Biden I'm glad that he's not, like if he was involved

in the administration, a lot of bells would be going off. But he's a private citizen, he's a drug addict, I'm sure he's done some shady stuff. But think God, he's not in the room with Biden making any decisions. Well, that's not true though, did the Boba Linsky stuff back when the election was rounding in the form to that bother the u-roll

that turned out not to be true that that that story would like was bob lensky was what i came on the the new trucker karson turned out it was one hundred percent or was very much verified by multiple sources literally does does not that the e-mail is the big i gets ten percent with i do say that i does take ten percent that's something that he jokes about a lot uh... you know what i just i don't think that the hunt i think i think i think i don't care less either

no matter how many times i tried explaining to them like what a national security threat this was what a liability this was the national i think the United States they they could not advice to the right wing media pushing the hunter media hunter by the stuff down the throat people that they just don't care like if they they just don't like you can argue why you should It's it's almost like I didn't care when Eric doesn't feel like a low blow does it feel like a low blow

How so like going after guys family a guy you know, I think it's fair game But if you're doing that with like why would you vote for this man hunter-biden smoke crack? It's like okay, but it's the it's the does nothing for me black male But the same thing when they would make fun of Eric Trump all the time. I was like I don't care like Listen everyone has family Bill Clinton's brother was a weirdo Obama's brother can't like I tend to agree with you there. I agree with you. Like people are gonna have a good people in their family. And I didn't like her. What was the woman from Alaska?

I didn't like her at all. Sarah Paling, her daughter, the daughter. The daughter had a handicap kid. Yeah, that was horrible. Leave the family out. But this is different. If he, if he, This is different specifically because,

Okay, he was a legally selling access. And I'm totally cool with the press finding out what the hell's going on. I'm not saying leave him alone, but unless it's actually something shocking and like reveals something that actually compromises Joe Biden, in fact, then all right, I don't think most people care.

There's a Hunter by stuff, bother you at all or no? I'm so confused right now. So this guy is doing business with the number one enemy that doesn't do nothing to you and it's the son of the president. Yeah, I don't know about that, bro. So you forget that a guy is doing business with the number one enemy.

I'm not cool with the genithing. Who would that should be enough? That's the issue. So your father is the president of the United States and your son is doing business with China and there's dealing there. Anything with China I'm not cool with. I'll say that.

All I'm saying to you is if you're linked, replace... They're making them out to be some sort of like global henchman business man. He's like some crack head dude, but you want to make money. Listen, and I get that he can't be compromised. Let me let me let me give him a different perspective. How regulated is the securities industry? Very, very. Okay, so let's just say I'm doing a business deal and I funneled the money through a non-licensed securities person who's really bringing the business in and it's wink wink, don't worry about it, but you're doing business, that's illegal.

That's what's going on here except they dictate, China's dictating a lot of the deals so they can pay this guy a lot. So he should be held accountable. Who should be held accountable? If he's doing something illegal then bring some charges against them. But it's linked to his father and his father's your president. Forget it. I'm not even concerned about Joe Biden.

If Hunter Biden is doing something illegal, bring some charges against them. No, no, no, no, you're not hearing like money doesn't funnel like that. Money's funneling through a guy's here. Hey, I need a favor from this guy. Can you do this? And I give you the money and you make the phone call.

And that guy, you know, there's something. So let me throw something you're all for because obviously I know you tend to agree with Donald Trump on things when everything was coming out that Donald Trump Jr. was taking these meetings and made these phone calls and Russia and it was fake it was verified Russell Brandt a guy on the far left who's a came out and talked about it last week. I don't care less what Russell Brandt has been. Because it doesn't favor your argument.

I'm just argument. What was fake exactly? No, you actually. The whole dossier was funded by Hillary Clinton. I'm not talking about the dossier. So, but there were meetings with Russia when Trump went out there, like you're saying that what meetings would Russia? You're saying that, but what meetings would Russia?

You're saying that Russia had had zero help with anything with, or wait, wait, wait, are you saying that Trump had Russia help him on the election? I'm not saying that. I'm saying, but Russia did. Yeah, those are two different things, bro. No, no, no, no, no, no, you can't say to something like that. But when stories are out and here's my question. No, stories are out in the news.

U.S. is involved in all the elections. They tamper every country. That's powerful. Tamper's another, but there's a difference to say, help me out versus a person individually independently does it. That's not the same thing. My question to you is, because this is news to me. Here one day out the other, when news was out there about Donald Trump, Jr. Eric Trump

or divesting of other companies, they're compromised. At that point four years ago, we were like, well, you know, they're compromised. At that point, four years ago, we were like, well, they should look into it. They should. Oh, no, no, let me tell you what I was thinking about it. My mind went to this. If this is true, it's game over for his entire family's legacy. If any of that is stuff is true,

Trump is using America to make money. Okay. If any of that is true, you're using America to make money. And that's where I'm at. Well, but if but it is true. I don't know if it's true I will look what I'm saying is bring some charges You remember the New York Post story that was supposed to be posted that everything was shut down and with five days later They're like you can put it up and that one New York Post story that was going viral was blocked all over Twitter

Why right before the election? Why? What happened there? I don't remember them. Of course not. Seriously? We talked about it on the podcast. You know what I like about you? Let me tell you what I like about you.

You know the movie, you know the movie was the goal fish movie. What is that one? The Dory, Dory's the one that's got the memory. Finally, Neen. Yeah, I mean, one of the best qualities of shooters is Amnesia, you got it. The point is that you're gifted. The point is that you've got a good memory. I got to give it. And you got a good memory.

I want to know something. Let me just say one thing. You know how many times I wake up and think, even think about Hunter Biden zero. Why not? And most people don't, because there's so many other things that's going on in life that I got to think about Hunter Biden. If he's doing some illegal shit,

bring some charges against him. Would you have the same? But you want me to like, run down every rabbit hole because you mentioned Hunter Biden's name to knowing. Okay, what about the laptop? What are your thoughts on that? Tell me what's on the laptop.

I don't know about the laptop. Show me something that's on the laptop. What are you doing on the laptop? All I've heard for the last year is Hunter Biden, Hunter Biden, Hunter Biden. What do you do? Well, bring some charges. They're trying to get the media to cover the laptop, they're trying to get the media to cover these stories so that you can be aware of it.

I hate this. And it's being suppressed. Trying to get the media as if the right doesn't have media. Newsmax doesn't out there. Fox Mrs doesn't know. We just covered the first story that Fox News gets more viewers than anyone else. Yeah. The media, the media.

Fox News is the media. Yeah, that's exactly right. So we're coming out of it. So tell your friends at Fox News to start covering the story. So 2.5 million people a night know exactly what we're talking about. It's the other three million that are living in an opposite reality that we're trying to convince that these things that are facts are facts. Right.

So just because Hannity says that it's not a fact. No, I'm not a, I'm not a Hannity guy. Yeah, you are. I'm not a Hannity guy. I'm going to paint you as well. Hey, so just because Hannity says that it's not a fact. No, I'm not a Hannity guy. Yeah, you are. I'm not a Hannity guy. I'm going to paint you as well. Hey, have you ever, did you ever read a Robert Spoltings book, Stealth War? Did you, did you ever read that? No, there's a few, there's a few parts in there that I think you would be very interested

in it. And it's pertaining to the relationship that Hunter about it and actually has. Okay. I definitely think that. That's why it's not just the left. It's both of them. McConnell's also on the right. McConnell's, yeah.

Connections to China. So this is more de-established. Oh, but my point is this, even when we talked about what's your name Elizabeth Wu, yeah, is that her name? I just make that up. Elizabeth, what's the McConnell's wife's name? Even when they've told stories about her,

it doesn't, nothing for me. And I'm not a McConnell fan, but I'm not gonna go down the rabbit hole Elizabeth, what's the McConnell's wife's name? Even when they've told stories about her, it doesn't, nothing for me. And I'm not a McConnell fan, but I'm not gonna go down the rabbit hole of like, well, yeah, McConnell's compromised. There it is. They figure ahead of the GOP for the last 30 years. Compromise.

That concerns me. It should concern you. Yeah, that doesn't. But unless they've proven that he's done something illegal, it's just a story in the news. Did the general milling stuff bother you at all or no? Let me ask you question. When's the last time when's the last time you serious question though? When's the last time you said like you remember the scene where the day

or Giuliani took down like 245 You know mobsers got arrested or Joe Piston and you saw all of them handcuffed walking out When's the last time you saw that happened into congressman and senators like what's the last time you saw his now has that ever open in my brain has that never happened in my dreams in my dreams do you know why it's never happened do you think it's because they've never broken the law because they create the damn law can you imagine that see how come that's never happened but have you seen have you seen pastors or priests going through handcuffs and going to jail? Yeah, have you seen mobsters? Have you seen athletes? Have you seen business people?

Have you seen the only industry that apparently we've never seen that before is politicians? Well, how does that make any sense? Yeah, so they're the angels. They're the angels. They're the angels. They're the angels. On the left or the right? Of course. 30 angels. 30 angels is what they are. Not at all. Yeah. On the left or the right? Of course.

This is not a politician. Not once that we say left or right. This is politician. Who's not a politician? Who's the father is? I get it. When he deals through his son. He's the back man.

He funnels deals through his son. The Samu to go to Boca Rana told me he says, John's never killed anybody. He looks at his, I don't care if john's ever killed anybody he said it's not the person that kills him is the person that orders other people to kill them that he says Sam he says I've he says he's got four that he took out of whatever the numbers that he's got out of his 19 he says the rest I ordered somebody else to do the hit right so it's not him doing it so it's not not necessarily biting

doing the work, but he's got somebody else that. We're not saying Shadeer has done Shadeer things, more things that are illegal. Trump or Biden? Not even close. You think it's Biden? Do you know why?

Tell me why. Because if you do it in business, you eventually get caught and go to jail. That's why. That's why. But in politics, you know, did you not hear me three minutes ago? In business, you eventually get caught.

You can't fight it. You eventually get caught in business. You can skirt the laws for sure. Ah, skirt the laws. No, no, skirt the laws is fine. I don't disagree with skirt. You can play into great. Yeah.

Well, he said that he did. But politicians can play into black, white, gray, blue, green, purple, whatever the hell they wanted to do because they create the laws. that's why we need a clean house anyone over seventy needs to be out of politics this isn't about seventy doesn't take seven years to learn about habits it doesn't take seven years to learn about habits clean house you just need to go to the right environment legal to jail what happens when people go to jail what do people call jail training ground to

produce more criminals another way okay you go to politics you're like I'm gonna be a statesman i love america I'm gonna do such great things. Hey, you know, if we give you 200,000, I'll make a $200,000 cash, of course, just to everybody does it. Okay, and then Johnny Cash, you want to just take it, everybody does it. You know, walk the line. Yeah, that's the training ground for producing people that know how to abuse. Have you ever interviewed a lobbyist? Have you ever had like somebody who was an actually a very close friend of mine? That's a I can't say his name. That's a very powerful lobbyist for a long time that he left the business and He's he tells me stuff guy. I will never review he tells me stuff and he says pat as dirty as you think as it is

He says it's a million times dirty He says you don't even know how dirty it is and how to negotiate with each other He says you don't even know how they negotiate with us like what things we get you don't even know if the lobbyists Left the game and they could not exist it be a very different world today the people that would win office Would be very different people if you didn't have lobbyists, and if you couldn't take campaign, there's a lot of different things you can change. What's the, it's a very hard.

We have to explain one day what the actual way our government works, that would lobbyists. And if anybody out there wants to know like what a lobbyist is, and really, to explain kind of my time in government, watch, thank you for smoking. I'll give a plug for moving. For nominal movies. Watch, thank you for smoking. I'll give a plug for movie, phenomenal movie.

Watch, thank you for smoking. phenomenal movie. Yeah, it's, you know, it's amazing how accurate that was. Yeah, and they hang out in the state house. I can only imagine what it's like at a federal level, but they hang out in the state house from the chamber to your office is fair game. So these guys, you try to run from the chamber

so you know the the session will break and all the elected officials that will leave the chamber. And then the lobbyists like cockroaches they they swarm and they try to get their mark before they get to their office. So that that walk down the hall is like insane and that's where all the actual all legal. It's all legal. All right, having said that it's 737, so we should get cameras and microphones in those halls. Yeah, all right. Just, it's fair game, it's fair game. If you've been a lobbyist, sit down with Pat

on a PBD interview, like you just did with the guy from Facebook, we need to get like an insider series going here. We get another interview. Oh, a lot of people back have you been getting from that Facebook interview. Dude, people are messaging me, texting me telling me stuff that that a heart many people said They couldn't finish the entire interview. Yeah, it's the most common comment. I'm getting I couldn't wash a whole thing

It was that disturbing. I don't want to do it again Sean she Sean Spiegel. Okay, go watch that interview. Oh Sean Spiegel. Anyways, we're not here this week Obviously, that's what we did it today Next Tuesday. I'll be back next Tuesday Caroline Caroline or no, we Tuesday and Thursday next week, both days, both days next week, even though it's the birthday weekend. Next week's not, not the next week. Okay, all right, sounds good. So we'll do the next Tuesday, same time. Take everybody. Have a wonderful weekend. If you go to the menstrual ampere this Saturday, Phil may be doing a live podcast on value payment to hear his feedback of the menstrual ampere.

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