PBD Podcast - “The Towers Went Poof” - Dr. Judy Wood: 9/11, Twin Towers Collapse & Direct Energy Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 651

Episode Date: September 18, 2025

Patrick Bet-David sits down with Dr. Judy Wood to examine her explosive claim that the Twin Towers “went poof” — exploring her direct-energy-weapon theory, the forensic evidence she points to, and the criticism from skeptics and engineers who call the idea implausible.------Ⓜ️ JOIN THE PBD PODCAST CIRCLES COMMUNITY: https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP🍋 ZEST IT FORWARD: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kJ71lc⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/41rtEV4⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠📱 CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠📰 VTNEWS.AI: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3OExClZ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time!ABOUT US:Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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The book is titled, Where Did the Towers Go? And it's very thorough, very detailed. What do you think happened to the Towers? This didn't look like a collapse. This doesn't make sense. Am I insane or is the rest of the world insane? So what do you claim it? Energy was manipulated differently than what we've seen before.

So energy was essentially directed and used as a weapon. What they were doing is bringing in fresh dirt, putting it down the ground, stirring it around, taking it back out, bringing in more dirt. So you're thinking they brought the dirt and the dirt wasn't there? I've got pictures of the dirt truck bringing dirt in. Maybe they're comfortable with this theory. It's not a theory.

I just talk about evidence. What would be someone's motive to do what they did to 9-11? 9-11 was an attack on human consciousness. Since 9-11, people have not been thinking so clearly or so deeply. They hear something, oh, okay, people don't know what they're looking at.

This Bible is there. This Bible on the wrong. rock? Yeah. The Bible didn't burn. Right. And it has a formerly liquid metal used to the page. So you're wondering how he put it up there? Oh, I'm not wondering. You know how he did it? Yeah. What's your point? The future looks bright. My handshake is better than anything I ever signs, right here. You are a one-of-one?

My son's right there. I think I've ever said this before. So I think if you're like me, there's one event that we all remember we were at the last 30 years, and that's 9-11. I remember where I was at. And I was working on Morgan Stanley Dean Whitter. I'm on the 8th floor, Morgan Stanley Dean with a Glendale and then all of a sudden news comes out, oh my God, what's happened to 9-11. First plane hit, second one we see hit live, and then the rest of its chaos go home.

It's insanity. Fast forward. We had 9-11, we celebrated the anniversary of it four days ago, okay, which is now 24 years. It feels like it was yesterday, right? And as you go through this, it never gets old for me to want to keep learning more and more about what happened there. Most important thing is we got 2,753 victims who are no longer with us, of which 1653 have been identified. The other 1140% till today, Dr. Judy Wood, have not been identified, right? So if that's my son, if it's, that's my family, friend, anybody that's

emotionally connected to me, I want to find out what happens. And so now, fast forward today. Today we have you on Dr. Judy Wood, your background, when I look at your background, okay? You got a BS in civil engineering, 1981, structural engineering, Masters in Engineering Mechanics, Applied Physics. Then you got a PhD from Virginia Tech, professor mechanical engineer, and you've done a bunch of different things, you know, your research, all these other things that you've done, forensic study over 40,000 images on 9-11, what happened to it. And you have your own opinion on what happened there.

I've had Richard Gage on in a past before. We've had certain guests on in a past that we got to strike for on YouTube, 9-11, World Trade Center, the towers would happen to it, we got a strike for it. But with that being said, it's great to have you on a podcast today. Well, thanks. I'm glad to be here. Yes, and I think the audience who is also curious with this topic, our audience is generally very curious. They want to know what you think about it. So let me kind of walk through some of the options, and you tell me what you think happened

to World Trade Center, maybe give a little bit about your background, if you don't mind. I would like to start out by saying when something like this happens, something this big, there are always three narratives that come out. Please. The first one is the official story Yeah Second one is the official conspiracy theory Okay

Or a few alternatives Third thing is the truth And the best way to cover it up Is to keep people arguing between the first two Round and round and round So they forget to look at the evidence You think we're at three yet or we're not there yet I've only looked at evidence

You've looked at evidence That's all I look at is evidence So then let me do this Because for all of us that are still trying to find of what happened to this. You know, this is just an event that happened. So, boom, let's move on. Don't worry about it.

Don't look over there. Right, we've all seen the documentaries, the movies, all of it. So some say planes brought them down, okay? Some claims are what people say. Number two is controlled demolition, thermite. You've heard about this Richard Gade explosive. Three is missile, military planes. Four is directed energy weapon, which is one of your claims.

And I want to hear. I want to hear what you have to say. Then another one, smaller one, mini-nook. hypothesis, inside insurance job, and structural weaknesses. What do you think happen to the towers? Well, if you would keep people

arguing around and around about theories, and if somebody doesn't have a theory, somebody assigns them one. And if you want to bring out the truth and somebody doesn't want to come out, what's the best way to cover up? Irrefutable evidence. Okay.

You called a theory. And then you mutated some, and And then, oh, she talks about space beams or she talks about hurricane powering the space beams. They have various things that get propagated around the Internet. Pretty soon, people don't read my book, and they don't even know what's in it. But they go that route. What my book really is designed to do is to train people or retrain them.

Now I show the books, so the audience don't? The book is titled, Where Did the Towers Go? Okay. And it's very thorough, very detailed. So, you know. It's empirical evidence. Right. Empirical evidence.

So maybe you walk through, you know, what you think happened there. Just assume no one's heard you lecture on this before. Walk me through what you believe happened there. But it is important to realize that people tend to jump on whatever they hear first. They don't know the difference between evidence and conspiracy theory. They don't know how to sort through it. And what I'd often, when I was, you know, be teaching experimental work, is to stress this, students, collect all the data you can.

You don't have to use it all, but you can't use data you don't have. So, okay, let's look at everything. And maybe it means something, maybe it doesn't. Just because I have collected, it doesn't mean it's connected to this, that, and the other. And look at phenomena that you understand and ones you don't. Another way of blinding yourself, sort of a double-blind study, just to look at reality rather than immediately jumping to the conclusion. If you saw a hazy environment above the ground, what do you call it smoke?

Well, then you're already assuming fire is the cause. But that's biasing your observation. So let's bring up a new vocabulary. I call it fumes. Could be chemical fumes, could be particulate. Who knows, it's not defined, just like dustification. A lot of people say it's evaporation. Well, evaporation implies high heat.

We don't have proof of that. Crushing or pulverization. That's a mechanical force. They're making assumptions with those words. So if we start out with a new vocabulary, we can observe the physical phenomenon going on. Okay. And that really helps to see what is there.

One short story I'd like to put out is early on. I had an artist write to me. so delighted that somebody was talking about what happened and he explained why he could see it they said in our class the teacher taught him this discipline of seeing what's there by having like a wooden shelf where you couldn't see your hands

and drawing under that wooden shelf draw what's over there but you can't see your hand so you have to look at the image and what distance do I pick up the pencil and put it back down so you see the relationship of everything in the picture instead of just assuming what's and I thought that was brilliant

It's a neat discipline. So to be able to do that with making observations, that's why I come up with this vocabulary, like Cheetos, tortilla chips. You aren't going to confuse the debris with food. But it identifies it. Can we do this? I want to organize you as what I want to do.

Because when you're a genius like you, your brain is all over the place. My job is to try to deliver your message to a sixth grader where they walk away. You're speaking right now so far as if you're speaking to your own audience. So don't worry about the audience. Don't even look at your notes. I want to get the information from you. Don't look at your notes. I want you to be with me. You're speaking to a regular audience that's not out of your community.

These are regular people like me. They don't have the degrees. They haven't gone and done the applying your expertise in material science, image analysis, and infirmatry to a forensic study of 40,000 images, hundreds of video clips, a large volume of witness test. testimony, analysis of dust samples, seismic data, and the analysis of other environmental evidence painting to the destruction of the world traits and a complex. People haven't done that. The average person hasn't gone and filed a suit against the NISD contractors, right, where alleging scientific fraud in the world traits and investigation. Later on, the case was dismissed, but the Second Circuit affirmed and the U.S. Supreme Court docket shows your petition, which is the number 09-548.

The average person hasn't gone that far to find the truth. What I want you to do is maybe walk us through simply. 9-11 World Trade Center happens, okay? A person like yourself where your background is in what you do, what was your initial reaction, when did you become curious to want to investigate your own thing, and what were some of the things that happened afterwards? Okay, thanks. The thing that I'm trying to emphasize is most people when they see something, they may not

see what's really there. How do you get yourself to see what is there? And you stay with me and just stay with me. Just do me, favorite. Yeah, that's what this is about. Seeing what's in the picture. I get that. What I'm saying to you is you're speaking to a regular audience, Dr. Judy.

I want you to think, I just asked you, 9-11 happened, 2001. The world says, oh, my God, weapons of mass destruction were attacked George Bush. We're going. I'm going to join the military, right? Okay. What was the first reaction you had when you saw World Trade Center happen? What was your first reaction? From your lens, how you view it?

This doesn't make sense. I was in the faculty conference room. They were showing this video on the TV set. I looked at it and went, you know, they called it a collapse, and I'm thinking, what's the collapse look like? It was kind of like an avalanche. You know, this part gets going, and it gets this part going, and more and more and more, and pretty seeing the whole thing's going.

It doesn't go, one, two, three, poof. This didn't look like a collapse. It's squirting up and out. It looks more like a drinking fountain, you know, a bubbler. And I looked around the faculty conference room and kind of like you guys aren't buying this and they're looking like, what kind of a wacko would we hire?

That was a very weird feeling. Am I insane or is the rest of the world insane? So this is what you're telling. This is what all of us saw. Yep. And you can follow some of those pieces coming down and they dissolve before they hit the ground. During the Volvo Fall Experience event,

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Product availability may vary by Regency app for details. The traffic lights, you can still see. Can you go from the beginning, Rob, the first 10 seconds? So this is where a Richard Gage, and many from his community will say this was an explosion, thermite, right, instead of maybe other claims. You're seeing this, you say, I don't believe what they're saying. What next necessary steps do you take to get to your conclusion? It's not a collapse.

A collapse is a kinetic energy driving it, you know, you have something slamming to the ground. All right, let's go look at the seismic signal. If all that building got cut up by bombs or gravity collapsed, it's going to be whackened to the ground. There is no discernible S or P wave. in the seismic signal, only a surface wave, which is what you get, like when you get off your mattress in the morning, it recovers, your weight comes back up, there's no impact, like hitting a tuning fork, or, you know, snap a rubber band, that's what the P wave should be. And it's the

first signal to arrive at the seismic station, followed by the S wave, and the delay of those two is how they calculate the distance from the epicenter. I think people have heard that a lot, but there was no S wave or P wave. The signal did not travel. through the earth. There was only a surface wave. And the surface wave was not appropriate size. It was very small magnitude. Compared to the King Dome and some other things, King Dome is like 1 30th. That's 30th, 130th, but made equal or more of a seismic signal, or the equivalent on the Richter scale, they calculate by the surface wave. So using the surface wave of the surface wave of the towers compared to the surface wave

of the kingdom, the towers were the same or less. So what does that mean to you? Something isn't right here. And then later realized if King Kong picked up the towers, chucked them into outer space, it would do the same thing with the surface wave because the weight was coming off the ground

and the surface was bouncing back up like you get off your mattress in the morning. So with, if he had bomb, bombs in the building or gravity collapse, whatever, that stuff's going to hit the pavement. Well, let's go look at what's out there. What? No debris?

There's vehicles parked at street level that are there after the towers go poof. See, I don't use the word collapse. That's got message to it. I say go poof, it went away. The towers went poof. A couple hours later, there's a picture I have of, an ambulance parked in front of Tower 1, it's right at street level. Yeah, there's some stuff here and there, but nothing what you expect.

And some people say, well, you know, exploded outward and got shot out. Well, then the adjacent buildings should look kind of machine gun fired. They don't. You don't about which building is that? You're talking about the banker trust building? All of them around. Oh, okay. Yeah, if you get these towers and squash them down, like you're stepping on a soda pop can that collapse it, there's stuff inside that would have, or if you have explosions inside, they're launching stuff outward, because if it's not there when the towers are gone, where to go?

To dust. Almost all the building turned to dust. And that's the phrase you use is dustification. Yep, we need a word for that. Okay. So what causes the event of dustification to happen? Well, you look at lots of different pieces of evidence, but you start realizing that the pieces broke down more and more. There's a picture of a guy coming home.

It's between the South Tower was the first two go poof, then the North Tower went poof. Halfway between those two, at 10.15, you can see the clock behind the guy. The guy's walking down the street, dust all over the place, perfectly clear from his knees up. But from his knees down is his haze. How could that fine of dust settle out the air in that amount of time? And I realized, and it's consistent with other images, that coarse dust landed and then turned in fine dust. Okay. And then, you know, stayed, you know, aloft for a long period of time.

So there's some kind of mechanisms that's causing the material to come apart more and more and more, down to the atomic level. What causes that to happen? Well, let's first look at just the evidence. It's hard to jump from there to the conclusion, and you start looking at more and more things. What I have in here is evidence, direct evidence and parallel evidence. Parallel evidence is like a tornado. Let's look at what tornadoes do. My favorite picture is this one, or video, is this tornado in Texas about 10 years ago.

The roof has gone off his house. The top floor, the computer paper, is neatly stacked up, untouched, big screen, television. How does that happen? It wasn't wind that did that. And other parts, you've seen tornadoes, it's just something totally is destroyed. There's some kind of a mechanism that a field effect that causes this. You can't tell me when did that.

Okay, so let's do this. When did you write this book? 15 years ago, right? 2010, I want to say? Well, actually, that contains the evidence that was submitted in the federal Ketam case. But I put it in a more organized fashion. Okay, but when was this book published? Is it 2010? Yeah.

Okay, so that's 15 years ago, right? Mm-hmm. And when did you start researching what happened to 9-11? When did you fully take a deep dive saying, I want to find out what happened here? The deep dive, well, I thought at first that the grown-ups were going to take care of it. I was naive. and then there's also the involvement of the 2000 election. They said they were going to fix it next time.

They couldn't fix this one. And in the 2004 election, it was even worse. I went, well, the grown-ups didn't fix that. They're not going to fix this 9-11 problem. Somebody's got to do it. So when did you start? Four or four? Yep.

Okay. So let's say 2004. If I was to get obsessed, in my background, if I am a, you know, bachelors in civil engineering, and master's and engineering mechanics, applied physics, PhD in material engineering science. This is your world, right? And that's in 1992 when you got your PhD, which is nine years before 9-11. So it's peak of the peak of the peak, right?

Things that you've done. And all of a sudden, 9-11 happens, until 0-4, nothing takes place, election, you know, Al Gore, Bush, all right, they're not going to touch this either. Let me go investigate this. You do six years, you write this book. Then you put this in the world. And I'm assuming probably hundreds of thousands of copies that have been sold. People have read this all over the world, right?

When you write a book like this, you're going to get feedback from others who are going to question you. That's not true. This is this. People from the FBI are going to reach you. Insiders are going to reach you. Other engineers are going to reach out to you. People that were internally who lost the family or relative. I'm assuming you've gotten thousands and thousands of emails over the years, right?

Of people that want to reach out to you. Then this becomes a question. From 2010 that you wrote it till today, okay? These are your claims. Where did the towers go? Poof, destification. Have you made any progress on what you believe actually caused the 9-11 events?

The World Trade Center, tower's going down. Have you come to a conclusion? Well, energy was instructed to do something differently than we've normally seen before. So energy was essentially directed and used as a weapon? Well, I won't get into exactly the motives behind it, But energy was manipulated differently than what we've seen before. Like nobody's really taken apart a tornado and seeing exactly what that does.

Let's say somebody weaponized a tornado. There's just, you know, looking at the mechanism rather than, you know, the device. I don't get into the serial number of the parts that went into it or what the operator had for breakfast or details like that. But physically what happened? There's another technology out there that people aren't familiar with. And why the subtitle of my book is what it is, is let's consider Hiroshima, August 6, 1945. The evidence of what happened that day was evidence of a technology that could be used for nuclear power plants. So let's look at the silver lining in the cloud, and let's use it for good, making, you know, nuclear power plants.

That is not to say nuclear power plants destroyed Hiroshima. What happened on 9-11 is evidence of a technology. that it could be used for free energy. What this thing was capable of is amazing. Truly amazing. Imagine turning this 500,000-ton building to dust in mid-air, most of it to dust in mid-air. Having it all come apart,

all the molecular bonds and atomic bonds coming apart, that's pretty impressive. Like, okay, what if somebody goes, oops, and it does it the wrong way, there goes the planet. And actually, as it was, there was evidence that this process continued. And bankers' trust is an example. They repaired it, but it was infected and kept going this process. So they end up taking it apart four years later.

So I know you're not comfortable using the weapon, using the phrase, directed energy weapon. But let's just use directed energy. Let's set aside the word weapon. To use directed energy, say I'm somebody that has unlimited resources. I have money. And I wanted to be able to use directed energy to make something dustify. Let's just use that as a word. How much money would I need to have to be able to use the technology to do so?

Well, go visit John Hutchison. He can show you. John Hutchison did it as, you know, just a fun thing to do. That's right. And I'm aware of that. Yeah. Actually, when I was looking at all the evidence of all these different quirks, you know, that were going on, And I happened upon this person's Facebook, and I saw these pictures, went, oh, my gosh, that's the same type of thing that happened on 9-11. So then I got into it more and went and, you know, visited him. And how he does it is create a static field.

He used to use a Tesla coil, but then, or Vandigraph generator. Now I think he used a Tesla coil or the other way around. And then interfere radio frequency signals. And it's a square wave or a sinusoid wave. The wave shape is important. And interfering those in a particular place, weird things happen. Now, he isn't real, I guess, meticulous. It's like, let's have fun.

Let's turn this thing on. But where things happen, you get levitation or you get disruption. In other words, the material would levitate or it would come apart. And you see on 9-11 upside-down cars. They aren't toasted. The upright ones are toasted. it's like what do you mean upside down cars cars parked with the wheels in there those cars that are parked you know they're on the roof with the wheels in there you

don't think that can happen by things dropping and hitting it and causing it to flip and ends up being on the back a block away it's a block i can see that happen on block away that there is when when you have because there's a couple things i did the hutchinson fan when he did this in 1979 this is the levitation of objects metal bending or fracturing and there's even that example of that one cast iron right that just kind of starts rob i don't know if you have that clip or not what he cast iron just kind of starts bending in and all of a sudden it collapse right if you want to pull that up and it was cold to the touch in other words the energy came out of the

material it was cold to the touch afterwards it was cold to the touch interesting Brandon has that clip and franinan you want to that's one right there a third one rob yeah that's the one right there so is this is If you want to maybe tell the audience what they're looking at right now, this is an example of... The field affects. You interfere different fields. It feels of a static field with a radio frequency signal, and this happens. And this is iron.

Yeah. And Robb, if you can, because this is going to take a while to go through it, if you want to fast forward a little bit. And notice the fumes coming out of it. Right there. Stop it? Yeah, right there. see how fumes are puffing out of the top of it. And then boom.

Okay. Well, when you see that, one would say that's not what happened to World Trade Center. World Trade Center just flat out came down. Well, this is a small amount. I get that, but look what happens to it if we're talking about, you know, directed energy. It's crumbed a little bit afterwards, but it isn't completely, like I said, he would experiment with trying this and that and the other, and sometimes you'd get levitation. One thing that was interesting, he has a toy boat on some water, and he has his gizmo on, the water's jumping up, and you can tell when he turns the gizmo off, and then the boat appears to catch fire, right after he turns the power off. And he doesn't know why?

It's, you know, knowing why is next step. But there's people that were experimenting with lifters, and when they turn the gizmo off, they catch fire. It's like something that builds up. So the one question led to this. The first question I asked you is, if I had unlimited resources, how much would it take for me to be able to do this, right? And you said, ask Hutchinson, okay,

with what he did. No, go visit him. Go visit him. You go visit him, and then, you know, that's free. There's a difference between doing to something this big versus doing it to a World Trade Center, cons again to come down, and doing it on the international scale

while everybody's not working, home, watching it live. If you haven't tested this before and you screwed up, the world's going to be like, who was behind this, right? So if you're going to test directed energy, you would have had to test it 10, 20 times on smaller buildings to make sure you're ready that you do it on the national scale with all the CBS, ABC, NBC, everybody's watching it. You don't look like a clown.

So to me, in order to test it at that level, don't you have to have tested it before in smaller buildings? And there are very suspicious things that have happened in time before that. But the important thing, again, to remember is the average person doesn't know what they're looking at. And that's the impressive thing about this trick was that the entire planet watched this happen, but they don't know what they're looking at. So they can be told something else, and they'll just buy it. they don't understand what this is no I know that but what I'm saying is if I'm researching this

like here's what I did I went online and I said okay have we had any and by the way there's a follow-up question to this I went online and said have we had any directed energy weapons being used in the history of mankind Rob if you want to ask this question on Chad GPT see what comes up there was even one as recent as Israel that did it this year in 2025 with a drone but if you look at the three three things comes up laser weapon systems aboard USS Ponce, the Navy that we had in 2014 in the Persian Gulf, and this system engaged in test targets, including UAV drones and small boats,

and was authorized for self-defense use. Well, I've only read about slingshots, BB guns, and bow and arrows, so it's got to be one of those. You know, in other people only look within their repertoire. They don't observe, and if they're told that it hasn't been used before, then, okay, it hasn't been used. Yeah, but that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is I want to look to see what's being used. So that's one of them.

The other one was the Turkey's Alka system in Libya in 2019, which is six years ago. I'm going to disclose to you that I contacted the directed Energy Directorate with... Turkey? No, in the U.S. And? And showing this evidence and saying somebody in your outfit doing this. Oh, we have no idea what that is, and we wouldn't be able to explain it. Of course, that's what they're going to say publicly.

But they didn't say you're wacko for suggesting that. I don't think the average person would call it. call you wacko, though. I don't think the average person would call back one. The last one I pulled up is the one in Turkey was a hybrid electromagnetic laser system that they claimed to have not shown, have shot down a Chinese-made Wing-Lung UAV in Mistrata, Libya. Did you look at the Oklahoma City building? I did. Look at the roof. It's got cylindrical holes in it. How did that happen with a spherical bomb? So how do you think it happened? I look at, just look at the pattern of it, a cylindrical bond. Is that what you're talking about that? Or if you look at the image from the roof of, for...

Can you do roof image, Rob, Oklahoma Bombing, and just go roof image? It's got like scallop, cylindrical holes that, actually when I first saw building 6 at the World Trade Center, I thought that was the Oklahoma City building, and I got the two confused because they looked very similar. There's just one story difference in height, otherwise they look very similar. I repeat, more, so if you go what, is that a good view for you right there? It's not as good at some of the ones I had on my website. Okay, is it still on your website? I wouldn't be able to find it because it's, you know, years ago it was stashed in there.

But you look at it in the scallop-shaped cutouts in the roof. So what do you claiming? When you see that, what do you speculate? But I don't buy the story that a bomb parked, next to it on the street, which would be a spherical, you know, shape, wave is going to make cylindrical cutouts in the building. Okay. That doesn't make sense.

Also, there are toasted cars in a block away from Oklahoma City. Cars just appear to go in spontaneous combustion. That's after it's been smoothed out. Okay, so you're saying that what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to say, okay, in order for this... directed energy weapon allegedly to have been used on the World Trade Center, they had to have been tested before. For example, what do you think is more powerful?

This or a nuclear bomb? This. Tell me why. You destroyed the entire planet. With this? Yeah. It might not be able to stop it. And that's another thing that scares me.

The first time the nuclear bomb was tested, the scientists did not know if it was self-quenching. They were willing to try it because they kept going, there goes the planet. They did not know if it was self-quenching. In other words, they're willing to experiment on the planet. And that's why this is so scary. And what happened with bankers' trust, that continued to disintegrate as time went on. And they finally unbuilt it.

They took it down piece by piece. Okay, but they did test a nuclear weapon, right? There was an original test that took place. that the world knew about, that people in the military knew about, right? Do you know about every top secret project? I don't know every top secret project, but I do know if the government at the highest level was trying to use directed energy weapon to bring down the World Trade Center.

They would have had to test it somewhere before to not look like idiots in the global, you know, marketplace to see. So if that's the case, let's just say, let's put it and say, it happened. Great. I want to know how did you do it to get to a point where you're comfortable with a million cameras on you that you're going to nail it and convince the world that, no, was a plane that brought it in. It's not my crime. I didn't plan it.

What does that mean? I didn't plan 9-11. I know, but you wrote about it. You're the one that wrote a book called Where Did the Towers Go? I'm writing what the evidence shows. Okay, so I'm asking you a new question because you've spent more time on this than me. Yeah, I'm talking about the physical phenomena, not who did what to whom when were. No, but that would be what I would go to investigate.

I would want to know if this happened, if we have, by the way, I want to consider it as, because the way my mind works is, if a crime is done one by one by one, my job is to eliminate, if I got seven people here that are claiming one of these seven killed that family, one by one by one I want to go through all of them. I don't want to leave any one of them to chance. because then I'm going to be like unusual suspect Kaiser Soce and I don't want to be the guy that he walks up.

Well, see, I don't know the serial number of the product. I don't think it even got registered. Well, you're doing that again. I'm not asking about the serial number, Dr. Judy, respectfully, what I'm asking you is for the government to be able to launch something like this on the global scale and fool everybody, they have had to have tested this before.

But you're acting like you need a blueprint of the design of something. I'm saying what, on this level of what got done, It couldn't, you know, it couldn't have been kinetic energy. Okay. It couldn't have been thermal energy. All right. You know, there were 14 people that walked out of stairway B after the building went away. I do know that.

They weren't crushed. They weren't burned up. And there were two people above that that even survived just riding the wave down. And one guy went home at night, you know, his wife was shocked. So what do you think? Why do you think that is? Her husband died there. There was something that did not crush people.

Okay. It didn't cook them to death. So that eliminates about every weapon. it's known. Isn't there a possibility that some areas of it, like when I was in Iran and we would have things that would happen or the bombing that would say, go hide under the stairs.

It's the safest place you could be, right? Sometimes you could get lucky. Sometimes you could get very lucky and you could make it. Things do happen. Plain crashes happen, 99 people die and one person makes it. And he spent the rest of your life telling that story. Titanic, there was a lot of survivors. How many people died? A lot

of people died. But there was a few survivors that we made movies about it, right? That we read. Pascal Bezelli survived when the building around him didn't. He was, the building around him was gone. They called him the surfer that he came down without the building around him. But, you know, if it's not a kinetic energy weapon and not a thermal energy weapon, it was something that isn't in the, whatever you call it, multiple choice menu. Nowadays, more than ever, the brand you wear reflects and represent who you are.

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If they turn into dust. The material came apart. And is the physical material still around? round or it's most of it's no longer around well it's not around there you know kind of gone with the wind it blew down the eastern sea okay so if that's the case how long did it take to clean up all the mess that was left from the 9-11 from from the world trade center coming mean the dust well if if you're if it's dust it would take a week or two to clean up oh no it's it's down the eastern seaboard it's down into uh Delaware it was getting deposited the

dust. Yes. I know, but were there physical items that they had to clean up? There weren't big items. So then why did it take 40,000 people, construction workers, firefighters, police engineers and 1.8 million tons of debris and rubble and steel to remove?

From what I saw, and I actually went there and saw it, the mechanism or whatever the effect, it got initiated and it wasn't self-quenching. It kept going and going, going. What they doing is bringing in fresh dirt, putting it down the ground, stirring it around, taking it back out, bringing in more dirt.

So you're thinking they brought the dirt and the dirt wasn't there? I've got pictures of the dirt trucks bringing dirt in. Yeah, that can be manipulated because that could be them taking a dirt out and it looks like they're bringing it in. That could be a way for someone. Again, I am going to play to be super speculative of this. Because I think that's fair to the audience for me to ask some of these questions to get to the bottom of it. Because if it did happen, man, we got some work to do to go find out what happened with this thing here.

I was there physically in person. I was there several years later. And they have those gates where they let the trucks in and out. And they don't want anybody around there to be able to take pictures inside. And I see that something's going to happen. I can get the camera ready. The gate opens up. The guy drives out, drives out, drives up.

up Liberty Street, just past the 10 and 10 firehouse, and stops. He slides out the passenger side, another driver hops in the driver's side and continues on. In other words, the guy who was takes up in and out of the site was not the one that drove it off someplace. I thought that was pretty interesting. Okay. But there's a whole lot of just information like that, but what becomes important is physically what's going on and be able to see, you don't need to have the answer to see that something weird is going on with the material.

The material is constantly breaking down. I think something weird happened. I just don't know what the weird thing is. I do think something weird happened on 9-11. I don't trust that just a building flew in and then boom, it goes down. Because case study doesn't give the individuals who believe in that credibility. It doesn't. Airplanes, the people like to argue about airplanes,

I think that was the emotional attachment that gave people to, given a reason for what happened to the buildings to gay people to gay people no no to get people to get to get to get to get to get them to attach to it you know to uh their emotions i thought you were going to drop a new that it's just like a gay airline or something i don't want to start rumors now no so you're saying to get people get people right to get people my apologies yeah to get people to yeah i can see how it sounds like that i'll slow down uh i'll slow down to get people uh an answer or something they can attach to oh that's what they need to reason why the buildings went poof. Oh, I saw that airplane, so therefore that did it.

And some people argue for airplanes, some of you argue against airplanes. And what I like to say is airplanes can't turn buildings to dust in midair. Yeah, I don't believe that. Real airplanes can't, and neither can fake airplanes. So there's no point in talking about the airplane issue, because that's just a distraction away from what is actually happening. You know how in the craziest way how I processed this? Why did they take the Richard Gage interview down. Why? I don't know. And by the way, I pushed them. Why did they take it down? I don't know. You know, why, if this stays up, maybe they're comfortable with this theory. It's not a theory. I just talk about evidence. That's why, you know, I can't give you the serial

numbers of it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So did you ever investigate to see if there was any other, any of these directed energy experiments taking place at mass levels? I didn't need to. Because of something happened over there, that doesn't conclude what happened here. I'm looking at what happened here. Yeah, but if you want to buy this house, the real estate agent's going to look at the surrounding houses to get a comp, to say how much this house is worth. It's called comps. So if I got a case like this, they'll say, you know, this reminds me at a row v. Way. This reminds me of such and such case. This reminds me of such and such case. Why did they do that? This is a physical phenomenon. This is a physical phenomenon. So this has never happened

before? Maybe it has. And there's, like I say, there's other places that I can't question, but there's so much information about this one, I know what happened with this one. You know, and there's characteristics you start seeing that you would recognize

again. Like if you understand what happened at the World Trade Center and then you look at the Pentagon, you go, oh, I've seen that before. I didn't need to investigate the Pentagon so much, but it's not as much evidence. I mean, information available because it's you know secure location but uh with the world trade center because they

had this public document the you know this mystery port and so forth it had to be public the information so i just went online and i typed what is that rob that's the pentagon on 9-11 oh okay got it yeah it's it has the questions of its own but i just i didn't need to get into other that's it let's stay on 9-11 so when i look at so i typed in how many movies have used directed energy weapons before in the past. Just movies. Because sometimes the way I see movies is movies are predictive program. Yeah, 30 years before. Typically before something happens, they'll drop it in movies and they'll get us ready to say, this is coming soon, relax, it's going to be okay. Oh shit, 30 years later, we're going to make robots. You're going to own them $10,000 to $30,000. You're going to be

fine. All right, I got 72 robots as employees now. Hey, Johnny. Hi, Rob. How are you? What's your day looking like? You know, and then we're just, yeah, they told us some movies. I robots as a coming so it's finally here so there's actually one that I somebody sent me a link to where I don't know what it was called not Pink Panther but something like that where where they used uh gizmos that dustified a building oh trust me I've I've seen them in movies so yeah so there you go so you have one with Star Wars iconic blaster death star super laser okay kind of cool uh Star TREC has phrases, phasers as DEWs, okay. The day Earth stood still, Clatu's robot Gort,

uses a disintegration beam, War of the Worlds. There's a new one as well that they did 20 years ago, but Martian heat raised devastate cities. Fantastic Voyage 66 laser scalpel used inside a human body. Flash Gordon and Tron used beams as weapons, Ghostbusters, proton packs as quasi-D-E-W. Then you got Independence Day, alien ships far, massive city destroying beams, Starship troopers, plasma weapons, and interstellar combat,

fifth element, energy rifles, and alien tech. I mean, you can see in movies these things have been used. And if they've been used in movies, I believe this exists. I don't think this is like something that's out of the ordinary. So I'm not speculating that they exist. Would you believe it's top secret? Could be. I do.

The response I got back from the directed energy director, it kind of was hinting that way, like, we're not going to talk about it. It's just like, I don't know, we don't do that. I don't know about that. I don't know about that because if they can't disclose it. I know they can't disclose it, but to me, if there's eight and a half months it took to clean up 1.8 million tons of rubble and steel, and they needed 40,000 workers to clean it.

up where is the dustification so you're assuming it's a normal site you're assuming it's a normal a normal site with normal what's an abnormal site um if if people spent that long cleaning it up yeah what are they cleaning up um i've got photos from the afternoon 1.8 million tons of rubble and steel and no they're they calculated what went into building the buildings that's the ingredients of what went into the buildings so they say well we hauled out that much debris. I went on to see a receipt for it. There isn't any.

And I saw pictures on 9-11 were on West Street there, dust that tall. There's no junk you could essentially drive your vehicle down. So you don't believe there was eight and a half months of 40,000 people volunteered to clean up all the... Oh, they were doing stuff.

Yeah, they were like the Bucket Brigade and whatnot. But it wasn't material, that much material being taken out. There's a lot of dirt going. going out. You think it was just dirt? Can you find a clip with what they were cleaning up? I'm actually now, now you got me curious. Clips of

workers cleaning up, World Trade Center. Do you have any clips of them doing that? There was bucket brigades taking stuff out carefully in case there was a body in there. Let's see if I can find... If you type in like 9-11 cleanup, is there 9-11

click? I have, here's one I just found, Rob. Is that, okay, so that's 9-11 cleanup. What is that? That's not dust. If you want to look at that, Dr. June. Yeah, that's not 110 stories worth of material. So what do you think it is? Think of a game of pickup sticks where you have a pile there, and if they're really standing up and you try to make them look like they're more, but... So you think they're manipulating us? Okay, this picture is right after 9-11. Let me see it. That one over there, and that's ground level. That's the

plaza in that globe that was in the middle of plaza there's some holes in the ground but that's the patio level of the plaza okay so what was the temperature when all this stuff was coming down actually folks who were running through it said that the dust was actually cooler than ambient temperature it burned like acid burns but it was cooler than ambient temperature which is kind of weird did you lock the front door? Check. Close the garage door? Yep. Installed window sensors, smoke sensors, and HD cameras with night vision? No. I... And you set up credit card transaction alerts at secure VPN for a private

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It's gone, and the level right underneath it where the mall was is still intact. Roadrunner survived. There's a Warner Brothers store there with Roadrunner in it. It didn't get crushed. I want to know who build that structure. Right. That's who I want to hire. Right.

So what's this, Rob? What do you have here? That's Roadrunner? Well, that's the remaining wing of the north part of Building 4. Here's building 4 here. And where my figure shows, that's what you're seeing. It's just that block above there. Yep, that's just this part.

But this whole part went missing. Okay. The big, the large part. And that's what you see here where I dashed it in. What things could make those things go missing? A tornado? A tornado. Yeah.

Another thing I like to point out is static electricity was discovered in year 600 BC, so we're told in our books. But do you believe it took them 2,400 more years to discover electricity? How many times was it discovered and undiscovered and whatnot? And still, we don't really learn about what tornadoes are as a general public, but obviously it isn't just like a vacuum cleaner. There's a different kind of process, electromagnetic process going on.

Okay, well, let me ask you. Before we came up, you said something about flat earth. What is your thought on flat earth? I think the northern rural albatross had it figured out before humans were even around. Which is what? What did you figure out? You fly east, you keep flying east,

and you get back home. You leave home flying east. and when they have their nests the southern part of New Zealand and also off the coast of the Chatham Islands and that little island and when the babies fledged they fly east and they hang out off the coast of Chile about five years until they grow up

and then they fly east again and keep going until they get back home and they know exactly where their nest was that they came from so what does that mean they don't turn around and go back so it's not flat right Okay, that's good. So you don't believe there's flat. Right. They could do laps around there.

Okay, that's great. Yeah, we like that. We like the fact that we do laps. There was one last year, baby, that didn't stop very long in South America. After a month, he kept going. And he made it as far as Tasmania, almost to New Zealand when his thing fell off. They have a GPS gizmo with a solar panel on it. And they glue it to the feathers. But when they molt, it comes off. They have a longer-term one that they put around their ankles.

But that's what was cool, like, go boy, go. You literally track where he's at. Yeah, he almost made a complete lap around the planet. Wow. They can go across the Pacific in about one or two weeks. What a great time. They're pretty quick flyer miles. Imagine like being a bird and just kind of traveling and relax.

They don't flap their wings. You know, they sleep. When they leave their nest, they don't touch solid ground for another five years. They may lay on the water, but they don't like. on solid ground. So they sleep while flying? Yeah. They don't flap, they soar. Wow. Most

people can't fly and have a hard time sleeping. These guys sleep while they're flying. That's a major respect for them to be able to do something like that. So what are we going to do with this? Okay. What, if you wanted to say motivation, I'm actually curious where

you're going to go with this, what would be someone's motive to do what they did to 9-11? Who would be the people that would want to bring down the World Trade Center? Well, I'm not one of them, but I can look at what's happened since then. Okay.

You know, see the effects. One thing that really bugged me after 9-11 was we had all these flying spy gizmos being put out and spy cameras everywhere. People wouldn't have put up of that 9-11. But the biggest thing that I would like the

viewer to understand is that 9-11 was an attack on human consciousness. Since 9-11, people have not been thinking so clearly or so deeply. They just kind of go along, nodding along, and they hear something, oh, okay. And we need to get back to that. It's like a degradation of our culture. And that's sort of what one of the big aims of my book is going through this evidence

and teaching people to observe what they're seeing, not what they're being told to see. Wow. it's a big deal I've got this cute story I've heard about Jack Willems the very first jet airplane, P-59 was flown by Jack

Willems. When they had it on the ground Jack Willems? Willems, W-O-L-A-M-S. When they had it on the ground to hide this top secret technology they put a fake propeller on it. And the propeller kind of looked like some boards off of

some planks off of a wooden fence. And then, you know, they take it up and they fly it away. And when my dad read my book, he got to that, he was in World War II. He went, oh, yeah. I thought those were weird, but I didn't think I need more of it. People don't know what they're looking at. And then apparently Jack Willems was at the local pub, drinking a bunch, and said to the P-39 pilots, I have an airplane that doesn't have propellers on it. And then, He would, oops. How do you back that out? Well, next day, he rented a gorilla suit.

Derby hat, cigar out of his mouth, and flew up next to the P-39 pilots. Then that night at the watering hall, you see that escape gorilla from the zoo? I see nothing. I know nothing. Who'd want to admit it? Yeah. But people don't see what's really there. They see what they think they're supposed to see. Yeah.

By the way, when you got your degree and you finish up your PhD, what did you do for work from 92 to 01? What did you do professionally? Well, I was a, it was more of a story behind that. I was a, what do you call it, a postdoc student for some of that. I got injured, like, as in killed, and then to come back from that, a whole lot of stuff, yeah. I've had a full life. Good for you. And that's another reason why I felt like I need to go into 9-11.

But what did you do full-time? What was your full-time job? Were you a professor? Did you work for a company as a mechanical engineer? I mainly when I came back from that, I was doing a postdoc, and then I became a professor. Okay. Did you ever work on a job, like, as a mechanical engineer? Like, did you work? I wasn't a mechanical engineer. Engineering mechanics is a little bit different. Okay, so if I get a degree in civil engineering, engineering mechanics, applied physics, Material engineering science, what job do I go pursue? What do I do for a living?

If it's not with academia, testing materials. Did you ever do that? Running experiments. Yeah. Who was it with? I was at Boeing. You're at Boeing. Yeah, for intermission.

And also, I worked for a short time at NASA Langley. How long were you at NASA? How long? Not long. It was a part of the program, you know, doing your degree, and then you go work at NASA. How long did you work at Boeing? Not long.

Ten years, five years, three years, six months, three months? No, like a year. At each places? Yeah. So you've mainly been academia, your entire life. Yeah, or a hospital patient. Got it. So that's interesting.

Well, I also was a draftsman for a while. What do draftsmen do? Just before the computer. Oh, got it. Would you draw? Yeah. I got it. I got it. Okay. Well, listen, any final things you want to say before we wrap up the podcast?

Any final thoughts that audience should look into, we're going to put the link below for people to be able to go out there and order where did the towers go? I know Brandon four show is going to buy it. A bunch of guys will buy it. But what else would you want to leave the audience to think about? Think about how careful we need to be to not be let around. What do magicians do? they get you to lie to yourself they get you to believe something that isn't true they get you to make an assumption a jump of something that isn't true

and so if you're constantly being you know it's either this this or this no but this doesn't agree to it oh don't look at that instead you need to look at what is in front of you think of that exercise that that artist did put in his hands underneath a wind shelf

and you're forced to look at one piece relative to another and see what is really there. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's a hard thing to do. You have to train yourself to do it. I can never do it. I can never do it. But, you know, to me, I simply want to know what happened. It's a big day. It's one of the worst days in the history of American, you know, American history, especially last 50 years. If we go to 60s, that changes. But last 50 years, many would put it at the top, worst day that we experienced. And we still don't know what happened. We know what my PhD was, or the dissertation, developed a method for measuring deformation in materials and stresses.

And when I came back with that evidence, it contradicted all theoretical results up to that point. Theory didn't correctly predict what was there. and it became what a colleague of mine started using it went to work from Motorola measuring the stresses in microchips because you didn't get any two dissimilar materials bond together you can get huge stresses on the interface have you been to the new World Trade Center

the new ones that built? I've been the new World Trade Center I've been to the what do you call it museum several times you have been to the museum center That's pretty weird. You know that video of the spire dustifying? Yes. They have that.

You see it right when you come in the door. They probably won't now that I'm pointing out. But it's a smaller part of the bigger picture. They have it more from back, but they have the dustifying spire there. Right in front of it. When you go there, do they know who you are? No, nobody has gone on. No.

So they don't give you a hard time when you go on there? No. No. And this Bible is there. this Bible on the rock the Bible didn't burn right and it has formerly liquid metal

fused to the page and this is in the museum yes just before you go they run you through this loop-de-loop around and just before you leave I thought I missed it and I was turned around to go back and there it is it's like in the middle

of the aisle do they find out whose Bible it was or no because I'm sure a family would love this they probably don't know but there's some very Very interesting things, if you know what you're looking at there, like a fire truck where only the electrical stuff is toasted in it, nothing else. You are fully convinced that's what happened. That there's a thing.

Oh, it's not that one, but some other ones. Rob, please get it right when you're showing pictures like this. That's all right. He probably doesn't have that one. He needs to take it seriously. This one they have in the paywall. at the museum. There's stuff outside the paywall

and you have to pay more to go inside the control thing. But these are weird as they are. Yeah, check out that ambulance. It's just got holes in it. Yeah. Random holes. That's wild.

And they still have it up there. Yeah. You're convinced. So what do you think about Richard Gage in his organization, what they did? They're either not real bright or they're deliberately misdirecting. Now, Richard Gage bought a copy of my book.

So it was April 9th, 2011. Shotty order that he made? Well, he bought it off of somebody with a check to a bank from 819-11 Truth, so 819-11 Truth paid for the book. Why do you think that's a big deal? He has it. He has the information.

Oh, I'm sure. Would you ever sit down with him in a debate format? Sure, but he has no interest in the truth has the way, like even this thing they had this past week. Yeah. It looked like a junior high girl was thrown spitwads at somebody. They had a professional engineer, supposedly.

His whole presentation, this is supposed to be for Congress or something, was about debunking my book. Nothing of material. It didn't talk about the lack of S&P waves, lack of debris. So you would sit down with them if we did something? Sure, but I don't think

his interest is in that. All right, let us see what we can do with them. We'll see maybe we can do something. There's also, maybe he's, you know, been a victim of that idea that you only see what you think exists? You think so? Yeah, so it's got to be either a slingshot, BB gun, or phone out. You think so. Richard Gage, his own community, he started, ousted him, fired him.

I think something, didn't something happen to him, Rob? Yes, he was, I believe he was removed from the, architects and engineers for 9-11 he started that right and how many people were part of that organization he started it in response to my request for corrections to nest yeah that came out and a couple weeks later is when the first 8 811 truth website went up and and no one who ever talked to Judy Wood was allowed to be in 8000 truth and if you talked about the Ketam case you were banned from the group have you because you heard President Trump

announcing that he would release everything they have for 9-11 what happened to World Trade Center were you following that story yeah I think he was saying that and didn't really know you might get votes but but I don't think he knew what was there and there's plenty of other stuff going on who doesn't want this thing to be released who doesn't want it to be released probably all of them Ron Johnson was speaking at that thing earlier this week on Wednesday yeah and he's he made a good comment that Trump has a lot on his plate right now and they've already

hired one investigation for this why should they hire another one because the first one didn't give you the answer you wanted but something else that Ron Johnson said is I'm not sure there's some things that could ever be released and I think that's the case

but think of this in the wrong hands what the director energy weapon would this technology I wouldn't call it you know I'm not specifying it as a weapon what would you call it this this phenomenon this technology your big wood words I learned that yeah now I don't know if you saw the part about Ed Leedscalman is a Latvian guy who came to the U.S. from in Florida southern Florida you need to go down there I'd love to go there with you to I think said homestead he built this castle the size

he excavated big rocks out of brain coral and built a castle out of it and then I forgot what happened and he had to move it and his friend put a flatbed truck there by morning had it loaded. If somebody was

ever watching he'd stop working on it it's like leaving your gun cabinet unlocked. You don't leave your gun cabinet unlocked unless everybody knows what the gun So you think he had D-E-W and he moved it with that? Well, he didn't have a weapon. He knew how to, you know, he could, he levitate the stones by himself.

Let's drop the W. Yeah. He had access to D.E. Yeah, he could manipulate the energy to levitate stuff. And they think that's how the parameds were built. He had this little rinky-dink tripod that couldn't hold more than 100 pounds and lifted 15-ton stones. Well, I mean, that part where you're going, and they show how they build the pyramids back in the days in Egypt, and when you hear the phenomenon, it makes no sense that we were, so what did they use for them to be able to, you know, move it? What type of power that you have to happen to, you know, so there is something there when those topics come up.

Yeah, look at Ed Leedsgown's little castle, you know, like two or three stores. Can you find that castle of his? Coral Castle Is that it? The coral castle It's about a couple of stories tall And he made a little power plan in it Which guy is it?

Is it that guy? Yeah, that's it That building on the right Those are 15 ton stones That each one of them Yeah, he excavated brain coral So you're wondering how he put it up there? Oh, I'm not wondering

You know how he did it? Yeah, he's written a little book on it Have you met him? No, no, he died in 1950 something Oh, okay He was sick and rode his bicycle to the hospital and died there. He's sick. He gets on his bicycle, goes to the hospital, and dies there.

Yeah. I think it was TB or something like that that he had. But, yeah, there's apparently like neighborhood kids watching, and he stopped working. And I think it's because you need to earn. To know that kind of stuff. Yeah. You need to earn that privilege.

It's like understanding how to destroy the planet. you don't just turn that loose understanding how to destroy the planet it could be me ask you what's your favorite movie uh space camp i don't know i'm i'm thinking of some fun space camp yeah you like space a league of their own that was fun i like league of their own you know there's no crying in baseball right is that right right right right yeah was that league of their own or no that's is that the one i said it yeah that was league of their own yeah they were crying is Tom Hanks. Madonna's in it?

No, there's a very good movie. Yeah. There's no crying in baseball. I remember that line. That's a good movie. Favorite book of all time? Trying to figure you out, Dr. Judy Wood. Trying to figure you out.

What are you going to say? Favorite book? Aren't too many books. First one I ever read was on the beach by Neville Shoot. And that's your book? That was the first one I ever read. It made a big impression on me. All right.

Well, thank you so much for joining us. People's mentality, like near the end of the book where they know that they're going to get wiped out with a nuclear wave, the lady has to go out and plant a spring flowers. And you see that, that's a human nature, is pretend it doesn't exist and continue on. We have people doing that now. I for sure believe that. We have people doing that. I was hoping I could figure out what happened on 9-11.

Well, you know there's a hurricane. Yeah. Hurricanes have a static field outside of them. What was it called? Hurricane Brandon? Hurricane Aaron. Aaron. Yeah, it was underreported.

It wasn't non-reported. It was underreported. Right, right, right. Hurricane Aaron, that's right. And you know how TV stations love to, you know, make, just really make it all this worth. Oh, and there was an airline attendant flying out of Boston that morning. You saw the people who supposedly disappeared, whoops, into Tower 1 or 2, I forget which. which he saw them that morning in the office.

And then, anyway, he threw out the other direction. But they never talked. He was totally unaware of it. There was a Category 3 hurricane right there. All of that, I can get there. The directed energy, let's not use the W awards. I don't want to upset you. The directed energy side.

Just the mechanism. Just call it the mechanism of what happened. Don't give it a name. I just don't want to upset you. But it's been great spending time with you. It's been great. This is evidence. Yeah.

No, that's great. And like I said, I'm going to put the book below, Rob. If you can put the clip, the link to the book, where did the towers go? And we'll put the clip to you, the link to your website as well. And if the audience wants to get a hold of you, they will. Well, thank you for coming out. This was great. Appreciate you.

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