PBD Podcast - “There Is A Hit On Me” - Ex-Honduran President Pardoned By Trump TELLS ALL | PBD Podcast | Ep. 702

Episode Date: December 18, 2025

Patrick Bet-David sits down with former Honduras president Juan Orlando Hernández to confront accusations of cartel ties, cocaine trafficking, and corruption. From extradition and prison to his Trump pardon, Hernández explains his side of one of Latin America’s most controversial cases.------👞 GET THE NEW FLB 1'S: https://bit.ly/4mXV9gd🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2⁠Ⓜ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kSVkso ⁠Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: ⁠https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP⁠🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: ⁠https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj⁠👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 ⁠💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time!ABOUT US:Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

There are people that think you helped funnel 400 tons of cocaine into America. They think you took the $1 million bribe from El Chappel. It took millions of dollars to help with your campaign for 2013. Today, Juan Orlando Hernandez, the former president of Honduras, was extradited to the United States to face federal charges. The only explanation that I have is because they wanted to get rid of me. I got you. So they put you there so somebody would kill you to get rid of you.

That logic makes sense to be. me. You were in prison with Didian Sandbankment Freed? Yeah. Did you speak with them? There was another guy, a rapper, who's very famous. They call it 69, I think. Takashi 6.9? Yeah. So the same day that this meeting happens, this picture right here, which is Kamala Harris, yes. And Siomata Castro, our meeting. On that same day, you get indicted? Yes. When you talk about the deep state in America, some people said, That's a conspiracy theory. I have lived it.

You are a one-of-one? My son's right there. I think I've ever said this before. Today we have with us the previous president of Honduras, Juan Orlando Hernandez. You've seen him all over television in the last two weeks because he was just pardoned by President Trump. It's great to have you on the podcast.

Thank you for having me. Yes. So question for you. When I call a lot of different people, I have friends in high places, I have friends in low places. And I have friends who were formerly associated with Mexican cartel. I have friends who have done a lot of different things. Here's what I hear.

There are people that think you, you know, helped funnel 400 tons of cocaine into America. They don't think you're a good guy. They think you were part of it. They think you took the $1 million bribe from El Chapo. They think you took millions of dollars to help with your campaign for 2013. They have a lot of bad things to say about you, which we'll talk about a lot of that stuff. And you have a PowerPoint here with us, so we'll learn about that as well. Then there's a complete opposite side.

The other side is a group of people who say you lowered smuggling when you became president. You got rid of a lot of these cartels. The cartel didn't like you because you were hurting their business because to sell cocaine, 84% of cocaine is made in Colombia and the world. and it goes from Colombia to Venezuela to Honduras. They have to go Honduras to Guatemala, to Mexico, then here. So they produce it here for $1,750, then goes to Honduras $13,500. Then it goes $17,000, then U.S. $40,000.

If it goes to New York City, this is 2016 numbers I'm given to you. And they say, you stopped it. So because you stopped it and you were hurting business, they started saying, oh, you're behind that, all this other stuff to throw you under the bus. So then you got served 45 years, and we've all seen a video with you walking up, Rob, if you want to put it up. And they said, no, this guy's going away for a jail. He's a bad guy. But the real bad guys were the ones that wanted to hurt you. So some say that's what happened.

And then some people who are more pro-Trump folks had more of a technical question for you. They wanted to know how is it in a country like Honduras, where presidents can only serve one term for four years. You were able to get Supreme Court to change things to run a second. term and they want to know how some people in America can do that for President Trump to run for a third term. So they're asking a technical question from you. But having said that, who are you? Can you share with the people your story, why you're here, why you're even willing to go talk to camera after being part? And the audience wants to know. Well, again, thank you. But anytime, for having it. Yes. Thank you all the team. The reason, because I'm here, is because I want

the war to know the truth. Okay. When I was sentenced, I told the joy. and looked to the press and said, tell the word that I am an innocent man. Sooner or later, you would find out. Now that you are giving me the opportunity, we are going to talk about things that I haven't said it before. And I encourage you that you can go deep into this and you are going to see things that are really scary.

I couldn't believe that after being... called the champion against narco-trafficking in Central America then the deep state and some agents, some public officials in the United States, they were indicted me when they were giving me

recognition, prices. How this started? Honduras became the main bridge between South and North America for drugs to come through Honduras and then to Mexico, as you said before. But the thing is

this. With that came a heavy price to the Honduran people. 80% of all the violence was related with drug trafficking. So when you wake up and somebody told you, I was a speaker of Congress and somebody said to me, Mr. Speaker, this morning, we had the report, 76 people were killed last night. And I said, and the day before, 75. And we are just 8 million people. When you have that kind of problem, you cannot, in myself, I cannot look the other way. If you look the other way, it's because you already make a decision not to do that. But I are not

that kind of guy. And when I was trying to do something, some other people in Congress, they weren't telling me, look, Mr. Speaker, they are going to kill us. Remember, a couple of months ago, two years ago, they called the two anti-drug starts that we have in Honduras. But remember what happened in Colombia, when they passed the extradition law, a lot of terrorist attacks, a lot of killings, judges,

policemen, so many other people. So people were scared, but I said, you know, we have to do it. And what I did was what nobody wanted to do. So we amended our constitution to allow the extradition for almost a century. It wasn't allowed extradition of Honduran nationals to any other country. To do that, I know that I was putting my life in risk, but most scary for me was putting my family's life in risk. But at one point, you have to make a decision. what are the country that we are going to inherit our children if it is a mess then we became the country with the highest murder rate in the planet wow what year was this what year is this was from 2009 8 9 10 and 11 and i became speaker of the house in 2010 so i started to

create those instruments in order to go after the narcotraffickers. I did also lead and approve in Congress the anti-laundry money law, the seizing law. We create a very controversial law that some people from the United States didn't like it, the Democrats, but from the very far left, they call it the shooting down law. So illegal planes were coming from Venezuela with cargo, and all of them were landing in Honduras. And what happened, at this, what I'm going to say, I haven't said it before. Before I became president, there were three deadly incidents in Honduras. They chew down three planes.

But you know what happened with the chief of the Air Force? Because of the pressure of the U.S. government, the Democratic administration, the president of Honduras at that time, he fired the chief of the Air Force. And when I realized that, I said, how can you do that if this guy, what is he's doing is doing his duty? In any country, if there is an illegal plane carrying drugs, that are deadly. And it is in the Honduran airspace. What are you going to do?

You have to do something. And they fire him. So I said, we are going to create a law with all the protocols based in the international treaties, and we create that law. But before I started as a president,

I received the visit of the U.S. ambassador. By the way, who fired him? Was it Roberto Micheletti? No, who fired. The guy who fired was Pepe Lobo. Pepe Lobo? He's from the same party as you. Yes.

So he's also Republican. He would be a conservative. He's kind of a conservative. Okay, so just to bring context. So the one prior to him, Roberto Micheletti, von Siener correctly, he was a Democrat. He's a liberal. Then Lobo, his previous.

to you, comes in, he fires the chief of Air Force who shot down three planes that were flying drugs into Honduras and then going to the next state. Yes. How did he explain that to the people when he fired the chief of Air Force? What did he say on TV? They didn't say anything. When I asked them, they told me,

we have a pressure from the United States saying that we cannot do that. And I say, Why? And they said that sometime ago in Peru, there was an accident. They shot down a civilian plane. There were some passengers from missionary people, nuns. And I said, now we have to create a law to be sure of that. Our Air Force, although it is small, but it is the most professional in the region.

But when we create that, I'm going to say something else, too. that I haven't said it before, and if you dig into the classified cables from the State Department and also from the Defense Department, you are going to find out. I met with the former South Commander before I became president. It was in January of 2014. It was a private meeting. But then he made it public because he went to have a meeting. in this in the senate and we talk about with him was general kelly and i told him listen general

kelly you know what what's going on in honduras we're going to extradite people is going to be dangerous we need the backup of the united states because we are not as big as columbia to support the terrorist attack that we are expecting we are going to to transform the police i need to use the military force because as in the United States the military in Honduras is very well regarded by the people so we have to create so many other instruments but we want to work side by side with you I have to reform the tax collection system that so many other things and I and he said but if you use that law the shooting down law we are going to be with our hands tied because the State

Department doesn't like this And I said, listen, the new law is based on the International Treaty of Chicago, and there is a lot of protocols that, and we are professionals regarding our Air Force. And so later on, I found out when I saw the cables during my trial, the classified cables, that he told the State Department, the President Hernandez told me that he was going to do this because it was a very important deterrent. After a year, he said it in Congress. Before that law, let's say every year was about 300 flights, illegal flights. After that law, we have just two.

And so that's the reason, because in the international narcotics strategic report that the United States issues every year, we are improving the whole time that I was in office. And my government was certified also as a trusted partner in the fight against narcotraffickers. And who made those reports? the DA, the Coast Guard, but also customs. And in Key West, they have a task force of 19 agencies monitoring that. I was invited there with my whole security council team and was invited to the White House, to the CIA, to the FBI, to the DA at the very high level.

And we were discussing how this fight was going on. And everybody was saying Juan Orlando is doing unprecedented things and the results are historic. But also, they said Juan Orlando, he's a man of his word. He managed to approve the extradition when he was the Speaker of Congress. And then when he became president, he was the first to use that. We extradite during my term about 30 kingpin from Honduras. But later on, they used that extradition treaty to extradited me. How is that hypocrisy?

Who did? U.S.? The Biden administration. Now, we know General Kelly and Trump, you know, how General Kelly feels about Trump. Yeah. A couple years ago, he called him a true fascist and made some comments. But while you're saying this, I want to show something. stats. Rob, can you pull up what happened under the president's watch? Zoom in a little bit when

he was talking about crime. So this is Honduras intentional homicide rate per 100,000 population from 2002, 2025. You notice 48.3 per 100,000 goes up, goes up, goes up, goes up, keep going 2008, 55, 2009, 64, 2010, 74 per 100. Then it's 83, 82, back to back. Then you get elected, 2013. Then it's 72, 65, 55, 54, 40, 38, 4135, 38, 34, and obviously the lowest levels we've seen from 2000. So what you were doing was working. You said you extradited 30 kingpins out. But when you say Biden's administration, Obama, it seems like you were at one point an ally of Obama. Obama, Biden, and Trump, you've gotten along with the left and you've gotten along with the right. What happened for the Democrats to all of a sudden switch on you, flip on you, and come in and, you know, arrest you and you're getting 45 years in prison, you know, the numbers that we've seen?

What happened is very simple. My policies didn't always match the desires of the democratic administration. For example, using the military to fight violence, I create a military police for public order. In our constitution, the military has the duty to do public order to. But we didn't have that unit. So I create that a special unit. Do you know what I was told by the State Department? You shouldn't be doing that, Mr. President,

because you are militarizing the security of your country. And I said, are you aware that we have the highest murder rate in the planet? Are you aware of the corruption in the civilian police? Are you aware of that? Who are you saying this to? To the State Department guys. What specific name? Who are you?

How higher ranking of leaders in American politics are you speaking to? people who were representing the Honduran desk in the in the state department and but also I told them listen if you are pressuring me to go back in this you are asking me to undo what I told the Honduran people that I was going to do during my campaign I am not that kind of guy and I say if you don't want to help us although this problem of passing drugs to Honduras and this more the rate you are responsible because in your country you consume the drugs and we are responsible also as a country because it goes through Honduras and the guys in South America are responsible too

because they produce it we have to work together and everybody do this is part but if you don't want to do it I have to do it because it is my country it is my people who are dying it is my state who's becoming more corrupt because of this at one point there was a judge he was going to have a hearing about the narco and you know 15 days before his son disappeared and the same day there was going to be the hearing the little boy came in into the building of the judge what do you think that he was going to do they kill in public in the street the anti-drugs are

Aristides-Gonzalez and then the one who was going to fall after him they kill him also because in a problem like this of course not a famous like you, they are yours but he was saying

in Honduras everybody knows each other we know who the narcotrafficers are we know who are the public official who are doing business or meetings with them. The police

is a highly corrupt police force and we have to do something about that. In Honduras. In Honduras. And that judge was in Honduras? No, this is anti-drug. He was an anti-drug chart. His name was Alfredo Landa Verde. But he also

worked in Congress because he was from the Christian Democratic Party. He was like an advisor for that whip. But this judge who they took his son for 15 days and he reappeared in court in a building the day of, that judge was in Honduras? Was in Honduras. And who took his son away for 15 days?

Who was it? One cartel. From Mexico or from Honduras? From Honduras? Yes. Okay. Got it. So I'm assuming he sided with narcos on that day.

He resigned it. He went lost. And so we have to create, we have to use the advantage, as I saw at that time, I have to use the advantage of getting together with the United States to get rid of those guys. Other people in Honduras said, you cannot allow that somebody else, other state, is going to judge Honduras. And I said, listen, we're in a point that we are going to lose our country. We have to do something about that.

The former president, Mel Zelaya, who is the husband of the actual lady president, Samar Castro once told me, you made a mistake approving the extradition. And I said, why? You know that we need help to get rid of this. What's the biggest problem in Honduras? And he said, well, the Americans are not friends of anybody. You will learn that. But then time passed, and he opposed the extradition law. But then Manuel Zelaya. But then he was asked for a guy from the United States, are you going to get rid of the extradition when they won in 2021?

He said, we will, but first we are going to use it to extradite Juan Orlando. You're the last person they extradited? No, but I was the first in his when they started. But the funny thing is this. He said that, and then a very high profile leader, from his party, the very radical left, he was bragging in public

and he said, in public television, he said, of course, six months before the election, we were called from the U.S. Embassy, and we sat with the lady candidate,

and we make a deal that they were going to get rid of Juan Orlando, and we agree not to go to China, because during my government, we have a relationship with Taiwan. We didn't have work with China.

But then, that's the reason because the former Vice President Kamala Harris went to the inauguration of the lady president, Sumara Castro. And the same day, at the same time that they were having a meeting, the

vice president, Harris, and the president, Tomara Castro, was the time in which they were put in my indictment over here. You see how synchronized it was? Okay, so the same day that this meeting happens, this picture right here, which is Kamala Harris. Yes.

And Siomada Castro, our meeting. On that same day, you get indicted? Yes. Same exact day. The same exact day. Okay, so now, so what the average person would speculate is the fact that they came in, supported her, to indict you to say you do that will back you up.

Is that what you're speculating or what happened? It is not just speculation. It is what has happened. But also, in addition to that, you see this. The left in Honduras is really close with the left in Venezuela. They are so close that you see the connection with the Attorney General, Pam Bondi said it about three, four months ago that the Honduran government

was receiving money to allow drugs coming from Venezuela passing through Mexico. She said it because she knew something about that. And have you heard about the Cartel de Los Angeles? That's the cartel in Venezuela. The thing is this. When I was in office, I called the Venezuela ambassador during my first term.

And I told Mr. Ambassador, we have a problem. Two things. A lot of Venezuelans are here in Honduras. They are claiming that your government is having a repression. You don't allow them to go to the street and you don't respect the result of the elections. And the other thing is, look at these maps. Look at this crisis. You know, flights coming from Venezuela,

at two Honduras. I said, I already spoke to the president in Colombia, and they are helping us to stop that, because in my government, we create like a maritime chill in the Atlantic, an aerial chill in the air and land chills to stop drugs coming through our territory. And so I am going to ask you, ask the president of your country to help us to stop this. And I ask him three times. And at the end, I said, if you don't have an answer in the next 15 days, you are going to have to leave my country because you don't want to help us with the main problem that we have. And at the end, he said, I haven't have any answer from my government. And this is Venezuela. This is Venezuela. The same guys. So the left in Honduras and the left in Venezuela,

they started a campaign saying that they were calling me a dictator because I was using the military to stop violence. Then they said narco-dictatorship. But the reason because they launched that campaign was because they were trying to hide the links that the Libre Party, the very left party in Honduras, with the narcos. Now it is public, a video, that I couldn't see it properly during my trial, because I didn't have the time. I see it. more with more time after my trial and the video is

so clear the brother of the former president who is the brother-in-law of the lady president was seated with the main narcos in Honduras making deals saying the narcos was saying

the only chance that we have is for these guys to win and if they win they're going to get rid of the tradition and the other laws that I had created when I was a speaker. At that time, we're about three weeks before the election that I want to show Mara Castro. But also, they said, if we don't do this, we are, I don't want to say the word, but was a curse word, like they were going to be very complicated.

And so that video is exculpatory, but they didn't allow me to use it in my trial. Is that video public? It is public. And is it in Spanish or is it in English? It is in Spanish and translated to English. Do we have that video? I'm going to find it right now. I think you do.

Was it in the email that was sent to him? I think so. Okay. Can you look for, and what would be the video if you want to look for it? What word should he type to find a video? Siomara? No, was Carlos Zelaya, typing Control F. Carlos. Carlos Zelaya and Narcos. Could be Libre Narcos meeting. And at the end, they were in an agreement saying that they were going to support with, I think, was $650,000. And some other help to win the election. So they wanted them the radical left to win the election in order for me to lose

because I was, they know what's going to happen if I win. And when I win, when I won, we seize almost a billion dollars. And this guy was the same guy who was on my trial and when he was asked, if you are accusing Juan Orlando of this, do you have any evidence? And he said, no I don't have anything do you have any record of calls do you have a video you have an audio you have a document I don't have but you do have a lot of videos from other people and he said yes I did and this is also that I haven't said it before when I was reviewing my my my my my my my they call it discovery I saw the interviews that this guy have with the DA they met in

police and this meeting was published by the New York Times a week before I won the election. They were started to have a meeting to work together. So he was asked, he and his brother, tell us the names of the Honduran politicians, public official that you work with and you paid them in order to do your business of narcotrafficking. So they give a lot of names, but they didn't mention my name. And at that time, I was the most recognized politician because I just a couple of weeks have won the election. Why they didn't mention me at all for three years that they were talking with the DA?

They mentioned me after because they knew that that was the jail-free card that they need. And when he was asked on trial, so tell us, why did you leave Honduras and came to the United States? And he said, well, because we were afraid of their tradition. We were afraid of being incarcerated in Honduras. And so how he was saying that he was protected. And this is the kind of witnesses that they presented in my trial. So that's interesting. So Kamala comes in.

Ziyomaro's, Ziamara's brother was involved. Rob, do you have that clip? I do. So let's look at this here. Can you go back and verify what he just said? You just had something pulled up right there. September 2020, an investigative organization and side crime released a video record in 2013 that purposely purportedly showed Carlos Zelaya, which is the brother, prominent congressman

and brother of current first gentleman, Manuel Zelaya, at a meeting with the leaders of Los Los Cachillos, drug trafficking organization, the discussion in the video, the drug traffickers discussed offering more than $525,000 in bribes, some of which claimed would go to the commander in apparent reference to Manuel Zelaya, Ziamato Castro's husband. After Matt, Carlos Zala acknowledged that the meeting did take place and he resigned from his leadership position in Congress but stated he was unaware that individuals illicit businesses, President Castro described her brother-in-laws, actions as a deplorable error. So now, somebody can say the following to you, respectfully. Somebody could say, okay, that's obviously makes sense. And I want to go back to

Kamala Harrison. I got some questions for you there. But your brother, Tony Hernandez, right? Your brother, Tony Hernandez, who is facing life right now, he was in Congress previously himself, I believe. And he had ties to drugs, to traffickers. Even at one point, there was even a, the brick, as you know, they would put the logo of the bricks on the bricks of cocaine that they would sell. Your brother's letters aren't a brick of cocaine that says TH, similar to the Tommy Hill figure logo, TH, which is Tony Hernandez. That's the brick right there, Rob. Yeah, that's what the brick looks like, TH, that says Tony Hernandez. I'm sure you've seen this before. And, you know, his link with a guy he used to do business with because he had locations both in Colombia

and in Honduras making cocaine dealing with a guy named Rodolfo I have his name Rodolfo let me give the full name

because I want to make sure I get this correctly I don't want to get this wrong There was a witness El Cinco I believe his name was No El Rojo If

El Rojo is somebody else that I'm according to my investigation Rob if you want to pull up this guy Is that it Rodolfo Alfredo Vergara Bonifante, also known as El Cinco, in coverage tied to your brother, Tony Hernandez's case,

as described as a cocaine, Colombian cocaine supplier partner. He's a hit man. He's part of, you know, Senalo. So what the outside would say, respectfully, Mr. President, is you can't make the claim of the current president ties that the brother accepted bribes because your brother did the same thing, and he's facing life today. This guy stepped down.

Yours is facing life, right? So to somebody that may say, I don't know if you have, you can really make that argument, what would you say somebody knowing your brother had ties to getting money and he's facing life today?

First of all, now that I have reviewed my discovery, and in that discovery, was all the information about my brother's trial, I am convinced nothing of that was true but I'm going to tell you something else please

when I saw the style of life of my brother he didn't have even a new car he didn't have even money in his account everybody knew him in Honduras he was an avarice guy a very young guy

when you saw the whole thing that they create about him everybody was saying in Honduras it doesn't make any sense at all. But look at this other fact. There is a guy from the DA who led the team

who captured El Chappel. And he wrote a book. His last name is his last name is Cogan. Andrew Cogan. So he said we follow El Chappo for almost nine months

in a clock a clockwise basis, 24 hours. He wasn't leaving the city. He was just moving to another, like, mountain in Mexico. But they even say this. All those tales that during that time, El Chapo was going to South America, to Central America. That's not true. And he was the one who led the capture of El Chapo at that time.

And during that time, is the allegation of the witnesses saying that about my brother. So the question is, if the prosecutors, the DA knew about that, why they didn't ask that the same agent to go and testify again my brother? And the other thing is this. Three, no, four, actually four guys who allegedly were in that meeting, they had dealings with the government. They agree.

They have a plea deal. They didn't go and testify because they know that it didn't happen at all. But now, I don't want to go into more further details because I haven't spoke with my brother for almost seven years, and his lawyer is doing some work at this time. You guys haven't spoken for seven years.

No, I haven't. Is that because he can't talk to anybody, or you've chosen not to communicate with him? At the beginning, I said, if they are following him, if they are attacking him because they want to affect me, I don't want to affect him. But then he was in jail, and I was in office. And even though this other part, there was a cable, a classified cable, and I told once to the public official from the U.S., listen. If you have something related with my brother and you give it to me, I am I going to be the one giving it to you so that you can prosecute him. But after that, I also ask the U.S. ambassador in Honduras, Mr. Ambassador, I don't like this. My family is a very honorable family.

What we have is our name. We don't have money. We don't have anything. a middle-class family. We are coming from the... There's great stories about your parents, your family, you come from a... From a rural area, Elphandor.

But you come from a good family. You went to a school in Albany. You went here, and over there in your state, I think you went to become a lawyer. You went to a law school, if I'm not mistaken. So, yeah, the stories about your family is very good. The stories about your brother. But listen, this is the point.

I told the ambassador, can you ask the DOJ for a meeting? So can my brother go and be interviewed and be interrogated by the DA, by the prosecutors. And he said, but we don't have any guarantees, Mr. President. I said, I am not asking for guarantees. What I'm asking is, if something is wrong and you have to proceed, you can do it. But if you don't have any problem, but also you have to do it. So he went, he came to the United States.

He made with the DA, and he came back. do you think that if we were if the people who the prosecutors portrayed us like that i was going to do that i i i don't know i i'm looking at the the connection with your brother because you said the i said el cinco which is the rodolfo guy we spoke about earlier but there's also el rojo and that's victor hugo diaz morales if i'm not mistaken and he's the guy that has said that he's killed 18 people. I think one time he shot his girlfriend and even killed a little kid one time.

He was a terrible guy. Terrible guy. And there was some ties with him and your brother as well. What's... The problem is that this guy was from Guatemala. He is, Guatemala is close to our hometown. So my brother was doing some cooking business, I mean, food for small parties.

So in the place in which we were born. But those guys used to come. The problem with my brother, I told him, sometimes you have to avoid people or even tell them directly. I don't want to be. You shouldn't be here. But of course, somebody else said,

if you do that, they are going to kill you. But anyway, that's the thing. Now that I've seen the whole information, there is nothing. but my dirty from now on is as I'm doing it right now is to explain to the world what really happened because truth has to come out and I appreciate and that's why we're doing this and I applaud you for doing this but my point for saying this is because you went after the current president's brother Carlos his ties and then I was like well the other side is going to tell you about

Tony Hernandez and his ties to El Rho and El Cinco. So it's not like your brother didn't have some tieser, but you're saying your brother's innocent. This is what I want to get to. Let's go back with the new president, Kamala Harris, comes in with her beautiful mask that she's wearing and, you know, to claim that they're extremely safe. And so they're celebrating the new president, you know, winning.

And then on that day, you're getting indicted. Great. Have you ever personally had any conversations with Obama, Biden, or Kamala Harris? With Obama and with Biden. And what was the context of your conversation with Obama and with Biden? Well, with Obama, we started to work. Remember, in 2014, the huge wave of unaccompanied children coming from Central and South America.

So we started to work in that. And we launched an international event in Honduras trying to manage that thing. And they asked me to come, even to speak to both houses of Congress, to tell them that we're going to work together. And I said, listen, I don't need to do that. We are working really close in that because I feel so sad that the coyotes, the smugglers, are using that natural love and empathy of families trying to bring their children. But the children are lost in the way.

But at the end, we were very successful in that. But we create what we call it, like a program from the Northern Triangle of Central America. And Biden was the one in charge of that program. And we were working so close that at some point I guess that you already have that video there. He said it publicly in Guatemala. He said, Mr. President, referring to me,

you are risking your life. You are risking your family life. This is Obama? Biden. This is Biden. And doing a fight against organized crime and that is also our fight. He said it right there.

But then we continue. meeting, when President Trump won the election, Biden called me, and he said, Mr. President, Vice President Pence is in charge of the transition. I wanted to ask you to receive a call from him, because we want to continue what we have been doing in the Northern Triangle. And I receive a call from Vice President Pence. So he was given the new administration that I was the one

who was doing the United States. that work in Central America, to stop drugs, to stop illegal immigration. And how is that then during his administration, when he became president, those things changed. I mean, it is a hypocrisy of he didn't know what was going on in his government. Sorry to say that. This is Biden. Well, that's obvious.

that did the previous administration under Biden, that Kamala, Biden, Garland, did any of those guys speak with you? Because Garland gave you 21-minute speech where this is it, I believe, ex-Honduras, when you were being extradited, is this the speech, Rob? Yes, sir.

Just played a few seconds of it. Go forward. Lando Hernandez, the former president of Honduras, was extradited to the United States to face federal charges. Hernandez is charged, with participating in a corrupt and violent drug trafficking conspiracy to facilitate the

importation of tons of cocaine into the United States from 2004 to 2022. As is charged in the indictment, Hernandez abused his position as president of Honduras from 2014 through 2022 to operate the country as a narco state. Hernandez is alleged to have received millions of dollars from multiple drug trafficking organizations, including from the former leader of the Sinaloa cartel known as El Chapo. In return, drug traffickers in Honduras were allowed to operate with virtual impunity. We allege that Hernandez corrupted legitimate public institutions in the country, including parts of the national police, military, and national Congress. And we allege that Hernandez worked closely with other public officials to protect

cocaine shipments bound for the United States. So during this administration, while they're playing offense like this with you, okay, indictment, you know, smuggling cocaine, the average person watches this, you're a criminal, you're a horrible human being, right? That's what the average person is going to see. During Biden, did Biden, did Biden? Biden, Kamala, Garland, anybody, any of the higher-ups of his organization talk to you, reach out to you? With Biden. We work very close with Biden. With Biden.

Yeah. So Biden was good with you. Yeah. Himself directly. Yeah. So when you see something like this, how surprised were you when? Were you expecting this or you're surprised by it? And not, I wasn't, I couldn't believe it.

So let me get the straight. So when this speech is being made, you're fully surprised. You don't even know. You can't even believe that this is taking place. Yeah. Because this guy, this former attorney general, Garland. He was saying that we were using the police. But the other branch of the State Department, they call it INL,

we work with them in how to transform the Honduran police. I was giving awards. I was giving recognitions because we worked that with the Inter-American Development bank and we work with several other policies from Chile and from other countries. We became like

the example of how to porch, how to transform a police force who used to be at the order of the narcos. We fire almost 60% of the police force in Honduras. And that's the reason

because I have to use... You make a lot of enemies if you do that. So these are people It's because I know the model. You can bribe them and you can win them over. But thanks to God, I am alive. As you said it, this guy, every group of this, they try to kill me. And right now, if I go back to my country, there is a hit on me. I'm telling you this right now.

I haven't said it before. During my trial, I received a report, my lawyer, from the FBI. Unfortunately, my lawyer was so ill that he couldn't come regularly. to visit me. But in one case, I was reviewing that. And there was an informant who was talking to the FBI, and this guy was saying, I was in a meeting. The high, the top leaders of the radical left, the Liberty Party, were doing agreements with one of the main criminal organization in Honduras to kill President Hernandez. And then what they helped that party to win

and then the other argument was that they were going to kill my daughters, my family and they killed a son of a former president and it was right there and I was so mad and I even asked the judge

for an special hearing and I said how can why you didn't tell me this at the time I can do anything to protect my family from here but at least I can call them. And at this point, the Attorney General Office in Honduras, they didn't say anything about that.

And now, how is that the Garling was saying that when all other branches of government in the United States, they were applauding, they were saying, that model that Honduras has to transform the police is the model that we need. in the region yeah that's and so is your family now out of Honduras do you have any family there still or no yeah and this morning from very early in the morning I have to call them because the president the later president said about three

in the morning posted in his her social account that I was going to get into the country and she was fearing a coup d'etat and as i was going to empower the a new president i mean i don't i don't i don't i cannot back to my country right now because i know what is going on over there the political persecution but also all the enemies some people who were extradited during my administration they are already back in honduras but also the honduran people last Sunday, already spoke. 80% of the Honduran people rejected the radical left government.

So they are trying to create a crisis to steal the election at the style of the Venezuelan government does it every time. And they have been using me for almost 12 years to create crisis. And now I have to put, before I came here with you, a pot saying that's another trick, that's another lie, what Honduras need is finally to count the last vote and the institutions have to be preserved and all the civil society, the other groups and the international observers and who already said that the election is okay, we just want to finish counting the last votes and we already know who is who won the election but that's the way that these people

operate and Rob who is this is Omar Castro de Zelaya she's the current president yeah said this eight hours ago yeah to the Honduran people I report with historical responsibility that based on verified intelligence information won Orlando Hernandez pardoning the u.s plans his entry into the country to proclaim the winner of the elections at the same time that an aggression is underway aimed at breaking the constitutional democratic order through coup against my government in the face of the serious situation. I urgently request the conscience and peaceful support of the Honduran people. I call upon the people, social movements, collectives, grassroots organizations, militants,

and citizens to urgently and peacefully gather in Tegu Sigalpa to defend the popular mandate, reject any coup attempt, and make visible to the world that a nuke is being hatched there. do you have any plans of going back I cannot go back right now if you allow me although President Trump already pardon me and he has the courage

to do it because he already passed I mean for what I have been go through the lawfare against him is I mean I haven't seen a case

in history what he faced so he understood and he knows what really happened with my case so he pardoned me but you know I haven't seen my family for almost four years

and now now they are facing those threats I want to reunite me with my family for a while meanwhile the new government in Honduras is established I want to go back to my country

my dream is to take care of my family my mother, my children, my grandchildren, and that's what it is. But, you know, being there right now, they are in danger. So, and the Biden administration, they took away their visas, and they couldn't even come to my trial. Your family's visas were taken away by the Biden administration? Yeah.

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who did who took the visas away anybody specific because i don't know if biden did it somebody on his team probably did it because it doesn't sound like you have a bad relationship with Biden? No, I think that he didn't even even know about that. I think it was things, I mean, there's a group of the very radical left in the Biden administration that did this whole thing. I guess there were people from the State Department and the White House. But you don't know any names of who that would have been? I have an idea, but I don't want to, I don't want to say it. What I know, is that there was a guy

during the Biden administration, he was applauding me every time even taking pictures with me. When President Trump won the election, he asked my former chief of staff if I can go to meet Biden. And I said, listen, but the United States has already a new president.

My relationship is with President Trump. But anyway, I went and Biden was there and this guy was there he was sending up the meeting and I said so this is going to be your campaign headquarters something like that

because I want to be put distance between that political thing and he said no no no like that and when I was signing the third country agreement to stop illegal migration

with President Trump which I did in New York and before I did that I went to several countries in Central America to talk to the president so that we can do it together, as Charles Wolfe said in a video, and I think it is in the presentation. Charles Wolfe was saying President Hernandez helped us to convince the other leaders of the region to do that. And when I signed it, that the same day that guy started to attack me recklessly. The same guy. The same guy.

And do we know this guy? I don't want to say it right now, but I'm going to give it the information with, we don't. I'm going to give so, because you're going to have one name's going to be Blinken. I'm sorry? One name would be Blinken, Anthony Blinken, okay. I don't think it's Lloyd Austin. Mayorkas. I don't remember clearly if his name was, last name was Gonzalez.

Menendez or Gonzalez? Gonzales, the same one who was making deals with the Venezuelan regime. Got it. Is the very radical left? But you know, this is the other part of the Democratic Party. One Sebastian Gonzalez? I don't know if, I don't remember. It could be that.

of National Security Council for the Western Hemisphere of the U.S. Leader, he reported to Jake Sullivan. But, you know, several congressmen and senators used to come to Honduras and to see how things was going on. And the funny part is this. They came to the Senate or the House and they report to their committee. And there was a consistency between the international narcotic strategy reports saying that Honduras was improved every year.

It is right there, and that information is produced by the DA, Coast Guard, and the customs. But also, when they went to Honduras and they met with the U.S. embassy team, the security team, they came to report. And one senator said, something really good is happening in Honduras, and it has to do with the new leadership of President Hernandez. Now, the two very bad guys came to surrender to the United States because they felt the heat from the President Hernandez government. You know who one of those guys was, one who was lying in my trial. And he was a senator who was brief and who went to Honduras.

He even came, they went, some of them even came to my home to tell me, Could you please talk to the other presidents in the region so that we can expand what you have here in Honduras? Is this a well-known senator in the U.S.? Yes. Severo. Do you have their names or? I don't remember clearly. I remember that he was from Delaware.

Delaware is where Biden's from. But I can send you the names and the photos and everything. And there were meetings also and they were asked about how Honduras were doing. And they were saying words like this, he took unprecedented measures. The historic results are right there. He's a man of his word. And they even said in the cables, and they told me in private, as never before, look at this, as never before the United States has a close and effective relationship against narcot traffickers

that with the government of President Hernandez. And that is in the classified cable. Wow. Is that Tom Carper? I think, yeah. He used to be in my home. Tom Carper used to be in your home. Yeah.

And so he's thankful for what you're doing. He's asking you to talk to the people around, to minimize the cartels and work with other world leaders, and then he comes back around. And then he sides against you? No, no, no. a good guy he didn't say anything that i know okay but but uh but in the in the senate report in the how do you call the the the the the place and they put all the hearings you are going

to find that information i got it okay interesting well and i can send it to you to i'd love to see it i would love to see it but let's let's stay on this because rob if you can pull up the map do me just pull up the map where, on the PowerPoint that he has, can you go show where, okay, if you can go to present mode, if you could. But also, if I can add something else, there were not only the international narcotic estritic report saying that the improvements of Honduras against the drug traffickers. My administration was certified every year during my two terms. as a reliable partner in the fight against drugs.

And that report, by law, has to be sent on March every year from the office of the president, in the name of the president, to Congress so that Congress can allocate money to the agency so that they can work with a reliable partner. It is right there. It is in the official documents. And so when you ask, if the government, When you ask if they knew this, and in my case, there was a single U.S. official testifying against me, it was, that's what we call a law fair, because it wasn't for political reasons, because they didn't like that I was using the military, that I was tough in law and order.

They didn't like also I back up the decision of President Trump moving the embassy from Tel Avid to Jerusalem. I did the same too. I back up Israel in the United Nations as well. The new concepts that we create to attract investors to Honduras as the new free economic zones after that I went to see how they function in South Korea. Korea, in Singapore, in Asia, they were all against those ideas. They said that there were two libertarians. And I said, listen, it is in Honduran territory. I want Honduras to be exposed to the best opportunities so that they can come and invest.

And we are very well located in the central of the continent. we create a dry canal to move a cargo from the Pacific to the Atlantic. And of course, I wanted a train to do that faster because the Panama Canal doesn't, it is not enough to move all the maritime cargo that move from one ocean to the other. So these other things, I mean, they didn't agree on that. And so many other things, for example, Honduras is a very, Christian population.

94% could be Catholics or evangelicals. And they were pressuring me to change our Constitution because in the Constitution there is something that a provision that nobody can adopt children if they are couples of the same sex. And I said, listen, Listen, any president wanted to do that in Honduras, all the churches of the people from faith is going to overthrow that government.

So you have to understand that we have our own values. We believe in family. Of course, we respect if anybody is, let's say, gay or however they can't want to call it. if it is a human being, we have to respect them. But, you know, if you are going to talk to children that you can go to the school dress like a little girl or whatever, you cannot do that in Honduras.

So there were so many other things that they didn't like. So in Honduras, a gay couple cannot adopt kids. No. No. It's in the Constitution for almost 20 years ago. It's in the Constitution that gay couples cannot adopt kids in Honduras. Very interesting. So, you know, as we're going through this, it's making me think about something.

And I want to come back to all these flows of how drug is coming in, how it wasn't 07 and how it changed. It reminds me of you being the person that gave the playboy. of what Buckeli is doing right now. Because if I look at your playbook, you came in, Honduras, all the drugs is going through you. You don't make cocaine. Colombia does, but it goes through Venezuela, you, Guatemala, and then Mexico, right? Okay.

So you come in in Honduras, a president can only serve one term. I think it's four years. In El Salvador, a president can only serve one term. I think it's five years. So you come and you were able to change the Constitution so you can go for a second term. Well, I didn't ask the Supreme Court to rule in that way. There were a group of congressmen, mayors, and other people, former president, and they went to make a request saying, if the mayors in Honduras can be reelected,

if congresspeople can be reelected but also Honduras has signed a treaty that we have to respect the political rights of the citizens who want to choose you have let them do it and the other right is the guy who is in office because at the end is the will of the people if they want to vote for him or not if he is in office But during my election, the other good part is that every party that wanted to compete went to compete. They participate. I asked so many governments to send observers, and they were there. And the people of Honduras choose. That was the highest votes that a candidate could have in history. And I'm aware.

So that means the Supreme Court, but the Supreme Court was probably on your side when they did this. I'm assuming they wanted you to be reelected. But this is kind of where I'm going with this, with Buckelly. Where I'm going with this with Buckely is you went in 2013, became president. He became president in 2019. So six years prior to you, he became president.

You're a young man yourself. He's much younger, but you're in your 50s. He's not in his 40s, I believe. I think he just turned 40, maybe 39, 40 years old, 41 years old. He goes in, and he goes after Mara Savatrucha, MS-13, right? You go after your drug lords. How old is you right now, Rob? 44, okay.

So you go after the narco, he goes after MS-13. He puts them in jail and crime rate drops dramatically. If you can pull up the date of what happened in crime rate and El Salvador, it's astonishing when you look at that. Okay. Whether he did it or his people did it, Supreme Court changes. Now he can run infinitely and be the president. Some people call on him

not a dictator, but there's different words that you call Bucheli. Now he's made the place safer. They like him. It's great. Yeah, he lowered it from 38 per 100,000 and 19 to 20 to 17 to 7.8 to 2.4. Right now it's 1.9 per 100,000. Insane figures they have never seen before, right? So, goes after Mres 13. go after narco. He cleans up crime, you clean up crime. We create a new security, high security prisons too. Yeah. So meaning he's modeling you, right? But the difference is, you know,

they come after you, but they leave him alone. They were coming after him too. If President Trump doesn't win, that's my deduction. They were coming after him. So if President Trump doesn't win, they go after Buckelly next. Yes. So what you're telling me is right now, if a Newsome wins in 2028. And also creating stories, nothing, nothing, um, got it, solid. Right. You know why we have to realize if you look at the war, look Lady Le Pen in France right now. Look Bolsonaro. Look Vivi, Netanyahu.

Look, President Trump. By excellence, he is the example of political persecution. Look at this other lady President Nunez in Bolivia. She just went out of jail. Look at my case.

This is part of the playbook of the radical left in the planet. And that's the reason because they were trying to go after President Buckele, too. It's clear at this water. What's their playbook? To go after leaders of the conservative movement.

Why? Because they want to destroy in order to give the opportunity to them. What happened in Honduras was they attacked me, they push me hard, my party too, in order for the radical left to go in power. That's what they did. And I'm going to send you a many more detailed information so that you can have it and you can see for yourself. But also being here, I could ask anybody not to rely on whatever media says, please go and do your own research. You have done, I am impressed when I was talking with your people how this.

deep you were into my past and everything. But you have to do that in order to understand what is going on. Because nobody wanted to do what I have to do. And I have to do it even though I knew that I was not only in danger myself, but my family. Because at the end, I cannot look back to the other way, as the former presidents in Honduras did. If I knew that something was terrible, terribly bad in Honduras, I have to do something because that's what I am. And I have to clean my name, the name of my family, the name of my team, and the name of the country that at that point decided to get rid of that violence. Of course, had a heavy price.

And it could be easy for me at the beginning saying, okay, I'm going to. to make a deal. What do you want me to say? And I'm going to be free in two years, three years, and some of these other guys did. You know, one of the guys who testified against me, he told the judge that he was responsible for 57 deaths, and he wasn't even six years in jail. He was walking around in the streets in the United States. But then President Trump, I sent them to Honduras. This is a guy from Honduras. He killed 57 people in Honduras.

He's in the streets here in America. He only did six years in jail, and President Trump... Less than six years. What's this guy's name? Alexander Ardon. Alexander Ardon? Yes. Who gave him only six years?

Divided in DOJ. They make a deal. And this is the other part of even war. Yeah, right. Alexander Ardon, a former Honduran mayor, and convicted drug traffic confessed to involvement in 56 murders and traffic in tons of cocaine to the U.S. and plea deal, he was sentenced to time served in the U.S. Federal Corps

January 22nd to exchange his extensive cooperation as a witness of major drug cases including the trial of former Honduran president Juan Hardlo, Orlando Hernandez. Oh, wow. And there is another guy who told the judge that he was responsible of 78 killings in Honduras. he's the leader of Los Cachiros

and I bet that he was about to get out of two because of those deals and when he was asked in 2013 about the politicians who were working with him he didn't even mention me and he said no the only thing that I have about Honolando is that my brother gave $250,000 to his campaign and my brother was in a meeting with him

he put my brother put me in a video call and at what time was that somebody asked 2011-2012 we didn't even have cell phone services at that time in that place that's that's how they create those things

you see and now the damage that they have done to the image of my team of my country, my family. I was shown in a jail, like three or five days before President Trump became in office. They ordered that I have to be moved to a jail in a Heselton. When I went there, some people told me, you shouldn't be here. other guy told me I cannot be with you in myself

because my group has a rule you are part you were part of the law enforcement law enforcement you were at the highest level they can ask me to stab you and I have to do it Hazleton is this by the way this is the one Rivera Maradiaga who killed 78 people in 2013

and he was So you're in jail and a guy saying, if they find out you're my cellmate, they tell me to stab you, I have to do it. Yeah. And this is your cellmate. Yeah. You know, he didn't want me to be in his cell. So what, did they move you? Well, I have to go to find another place in order to avoid that.

And there was some. Hazelton? Yeah. There were some others saying me. You pull up Hazelton, rap? There were some others telling me, listen, you shouldn't be here. You are in danger here. it is really complicated

and there's a lot of people from the cartels from Mexico and why didn't send me over there the only explanation that I have is because they wanted to get rid of me I got you so they put you there so somebody would kill you to get rid of you

that's my deduction that logic makes sense to me that logic makes sense to me if somebody wants to get rid of you have somebody else dude, they're already doing life anyway, so what do they have to lose? Nothing. It's an easy way to get rid of a target. Yeah. By the way, this jail, if some people are wondering who stayed here, Whitey Bulger stayed at this jail, okay?

Anthony Tonacosta, mob-related inmates after Bulger. Okay, you got some very MS-13 and Latin King cartel killers stay at this place. These are the names you got. Fortios Freddy Gis, Frank Cadillac, Frank, Salami. James Alecfields Jr. You got some interesting people that stayed here. So they're sending you to a place as if you're a full-on killer is what you are.

That's who they put you with. And you said you got three, four. So this is January 16th, January 15th. Is that around the day of 2025 when they put you in jail? No, was 21? Oh, this is first time. When Trump lost, this is after... No, when President Trump wins,

this last time five days before they gave the order to move me to move you to Hazleton. That's what I'm saying. So January 15th because Trump won but he got elected he was inaugurated January 20th. So is this in October or is this

in January? In January. In January. Got it. And when you were there, is this where you met Sam Bankman-Fried? Where did you meet Sam Bankman-Freet from... It was in Brooklyn. In Brooklyn, I was in a special unit. And, of course, I met Sam there. This other guy who is a singer, you call it mogul, music mogul. Yeah, yeah. You were in prison with Diddy and Sam Bankman Freed?

Yeah. Did you speak with them? Yes. Well, at the beginning, you know, I didn't know them as the figures of they were. I mean, also, I was just by myself, you know, review in my case and my things. There was another guy, a rapper, he's very famous. They call it 69, I think. But I didn't know until the other invasks, told me...

Takashi 6'9? Yeah. They called me, those guys are really big in music and things like that. But with Sam, we developed a close relationship. He was... We were talking about my case, things like that. I met his father and mother.

And because he, at one point, I was really preoccupied about my family when I know that they had that green light from the MS-13 over my daughters. And I said, you know, I cannot sleep. I don't know what can I do. And he said, listen, you have to move your family from Honduras. but I said I don't have any means to do it and we were you know talking about how can we do and at the end I told my lawyer you have to call my wife and you have to tell her and do whatever you want you have to do in order to to protect them but at the end they have to be in my home for almost three months without going out at all and you know it's at one point I said to God I made my peace with God and said, my Lord, you can do whatever you want with me. It is you're right.

But please protect my family. That's just what I'm asking. Did Sam Bankman Fried help you financially with the family or no? No, no, no. Okay. What was he like to you? Was it a, did you enjoy the conversation? He was a very quiet guy, but he was, he had new ideas about the world.

And when he was reviewing my case, he said, listen, this is clearly a setup. And I said, but how can I explain it? You already passed for a trial, and you know what it is. And it is hard, you know, when the prosecutors and the judge agree that you cannot, for example, they didn't allow me to bring the experts from Honduras to explain jurors, how I pass those laws, to pass your traditional law, the ceasing of assets law, the anti-money London law, the reform of the police, it's easy to say it, but to do it is a huge risk. And they were going to come to explain to that.

And, you know, the judge agreed with the prosecutors, and they didn't allow them to come, to do it. Do you know what Sam Bankman-Fried said about you? Have you read what he said about you or no? My daughter was explaining it to me. Sam Bankman-Freed told Mario Nafal, Rob, I think you have it somewhere. And he explains to him that he says, I spend a year and a half in the same unit as Juan Orlando. I got to know him fairly well. I'd like to think we became friends.

And I can't think of a single inmate more deserving of a pardon. he was framed and SPF spent extensive time helping yourself with trial prep and reviewed evidence and his account you were convicted in 2024 for decades long cocaine conspiracy involving hundreds of murders but the actual evidence a ceremonial machine gun a selfie with a cartel connected soccer fan and testimony from the exact cartel leaders you were arrested and extradited those cartel leaders were offered early release if they could implicate a bigger fix they chose to testify against the man who put them in prison. The result, your presidency, murder dropped 50% drug traffic and dropped 90%

every major cartel leadership, extradited to the U.S. SPF. He wasn't just a narco traffic. He wasn't just not a narco trafficker. He was probably the most effective anti-cartel leader in the world. Juan Orlando is the most innocent prisoner I've met, including myself. The pardon came days before Honduras, November 30 election, where Trump endorsed. Nasri Asfuda of your national party the race is now a technical tide the Trump warning there will be held to pay if the electoral body changes the

result that's what Sam McMahon Freed said about you interesting did you ever speak to Diddy was did he would would a couple of words you know we were getting into the elevator coming from the legal he doesn't like elevators It's bad nose to be around elevators with him. But I didn't know him at all. And he said, so you are going to Fort North, which was the same floor? I said, yes.

So you are the new guy. And he said, yes. And he said, why do you advise me? And I said, look, you have to keep your mind busy? You told him. Yeah, if you are going, you have to do exercise every day. If you like music, you have to do. He likes other people's music.

But also, if you are going to fight your case, get into that with your lawyers. Be busy, because this thing could make you crazy. But if you focus on that, and then he continued to do that. There were some discussion between another guy, if they were going to see some channel from the news or the other. And I said, listen, take your time. Don't fight about that. Oh, he was fighting with another guy.

No, they were discussing. But I was trying to stop like a fight. He was trying to watch a documentary by the guy in 50. Yeah, he wanted to watch it on, but that's interesting. So, but was he cordial with you? Was he respectful with you? Yeah, very respectful. At one point, I was watching a dish, and there was another dish there.

It was dirty. I don't know which this is who was belonged to. And I watched it. And so he came. and I said, thank you for watching my dish. Well, I didn't know that was yours. And I said, a president watching? And I said, listen, I mean, I can clean the floor here.

I was raised like that. I don't care about those things. They think that because you are president, you are like, no, I mean, it is the way that you are raised. And I think that that's, that helped me with a lot of respect from so many people in jail to. How long were you with all of them, with SBF, with Diddy, with Takashi? With this guy, Tukashi, I think was about that a couple of months. Oh, really?

With Didi could be a little bit longer than that. I would Sam, I think, could be a year and a half. Oh, so you guys, you guys spend real time together with Sam. Yeah. Well, with Sam, we prepare a lot of questions for my trial. And unfortunately, my lawyer, we lost confidence and trust with him, but we lost communication. And at the end, when I finally came and I said, listen, I know that you don't have any question for questions for the witnesses. I already worked on that.

And then when he was looking at that, he said, this is amazing. well I did your work now please do it but he couldn't do it is this a guy that was sick the guy yeah yeah he was really sick but also he was taking

care of his mother she was also sick and I bet that he also was afraid of some things of course I mean if they're his lawyer his life's probably also on the line would you ever if

with what Ziyomado was saying on her tweet. Would you ever aspire to go back and be the president again if the people want you to be president of Honduras again? I believe that I did my duty as a citizen serving my country. I consider myself a soldier for my country. If they ask me to do something I will. But, you know, going into the public arena again, that's going to avoid to pay a debt that I feel with myself. You know, because I was so immersed in my work, remember that I was 16 years in Congress,

and I was Secretary of Congress, which is one of the more demanding jobs in Honduras, and then I was a speaker and two times president. I couldn't spend the quality time that I need with me. my family. Sometimes you are at home. They are there at your table, but you are not there. And I feel bad about that. Because now that I am being in jail, I'm being blessed. My wife was always there, my children, every day, all this information that sometimes I couldn't even remember things. They were digging in and they put it together. So I want to spend

the rest of my life with my family, enjoy my grandchildren. And of course, I have to do this study to explain the world what the truth is because what I want to inherit to my children is a clean name. It's also to help the team that I put together. They also risk their lives, but also the name of Honduras. Has to be clean. It has to be recognized that although we were very complicated at that time, there was a generation who took the rigs to change that.

And we did it. So the challenge with that is, if it seems like a pattern of if a person on the left gets elected president in the U.S., you guys are screwed. So if you go back and your success is reliant upon Americans supporting you cleaning up the streets and cleaning up your country when those people are not there they're not going to have your back then what do you do

well you have to we have to figure out because we we cannot longer be we cannot go back to what we were yeah I want to I want to and that's the reason because the people voted so overwhelmingly against the radical left the same once that for 12 years were calling me narco-dictatorship they did it because they were

hiring the links that they have that now they are exposed. They even terminate the extradition treaty to avoid them to be extradited here. But also, now you know, that doesn't work for them

trying to create lies or whatever. That's the reason because I also, before I came here, I have to put a tweet responding to the to the lady president did you tweet already at her or no yes what did you say can you go up to it rob you can look at the Juan Orlando Hernandez I don't think this down one what is the go to people rap what is the account uh no that's not it I just found it yesterday you can go on you can go to Instagram is it's more

clear it's one Orlando H let's go to one Orlando H no don't put Hernandez just put one Orlando H and it will come up right there the first one there you go there you go yeah there okay so which one is it is it this one the accusation okay zoom in a little bit the accusation made by Zimmerkessel completely false there's no plan for my entry into the country nor any time to break the constitutional order this narrative only seeks to spread panic distract the public and create chaotic and well known from the leaders of Libred for 12 years.

My name has been used to distract in the past four years. The government has relied on hate and lies as a smoke string to hide its absolute failure. The strategy no longer works. The people of Honduras rejected them clearly and decisively at the polls. Today, once again, they are launching. Rob can increase it up a little bit. Another attack used in my name to cling to power through chaos. We are not in 2021.

Their lies have been exposed. Honduras must keep a firm focus on the special vote tally, awaiting the official results from the CNA, the process must be monitored and supported by all sectors of Honduran society as well as the national, international observers. Election matters to all of us, not just the political parties. I have been clear in my public statement. I have no intention of returning to Honduras at this time precisely because this government has shown it is not respect guarantees of rights and because my security and that my family would be serious adverse due to the evident political persecution and weaponization of justice against me. Once again,

time has proven me right. I have information that has led to attacks of my life, that of my family and that of my family. One thing is political or ideological difference. Another is entirely cross on the line and putting humans' lives on the line. I hold the current government leaders and leadership of believe they're fully responsible for any attack, persecution, and risk on my family, or I may face history, will judge those who use the power of state to intimidate, persecute and so hatred among Condoran brothers and sisters. My only desire to be my family, recover lost time, and heal as a father, husband, son. I want to care for my loved ones. And as a good Honduran, I wish for peace, unity, and prosperity for my

country so that Honduras may grow, strengthen, and move forward. May God continue. May God protect and bless Honduras. Yeah. Question for you about, because when you go through this process and someone thinks and says, okay, why would the president pardon you? Okay, one, you know, Roger Stone is very good at what he does, and he can come in and say, hey, yeah, this. This guy's innocent. He didn't do anything wrong. We should pardon this guy. Okay, then you're pardoned. Fine. Two is you could play a role in making South and Central America safer. Because when you think about, you know, what's going on over there with Maduro. Every day we're seeing what's going on with Maduro. Another boat. Another boat. Another boat. Another boat. Another boat. And hey, you know, President Trump is trying to get involved with Maduro. And Maduro is going after Musk. Maduro's going after Trump. And then he says, don't worry. Be happy. We're good. to be okay we don't want a war we don't want this in your eyes how big of a role is maduro playing in everything that's going on in south and central america we could see that in two different times if you look back five six eight years ago was a really important role

because he inherited all the system that Chavez created, and Chavez was very good at that. But in Honduras, the last times, in the last years, he's very influential. Listen to this. Everybody knows in Natural America and in the planet that Maduro stole the last election. But the Honduran government, the later president, said it publicly. there is no doubt at all the winner is president maduro that's not just a joke it's a bad joke but they are so close that they are they are willing to to risk their their law

approving ratings but the other thing is that when the attorney general pan bondy said um the drugs are coming from from venezuela and then go through hunduras She knows what I know for almost 13 years, 15 years, and they are so close. That's the reason, because I expelled the Venezuelan ambassador at that time. But the other relationship is that all the tactics that they use, for example, creating those small groups of radicals, they put weapons on their hands. they go and fire the streets, they burn

homes of the political opposition. They have done that in Honduras too. And right, yesterday, they were taking the street, putting fires with tires, with whatever, trying to block everything,

trying to protest. Unfortunately, the police and the army forces, they said, we have to protect the results of the election. That the will of the Honduran people. But now the president, the later president, is punishing, removing those officials who did that protection to the citizen yesterday. What is that you're playing?

This is the protests ongoing in Honduras as of 19 hours ago. This is as of 19 hours ago in Honduras? That's what those groups of radicals from the left were doing. because they already know that they lost the election. They don't want the electoral body to come with the final result because they want to continue in power. Those are the guys. It's the same script, the same pre-book that they use in Venezuela.

They call it collectivus. Collectivos. Yeah. so who won though I have to be respectful of the institutions they have to pronounce but what I'm going to tell you is what I know about the

count of the copy of each electoral poll document that our party has our party won the election clearly but they have to count it in the electoral process. Because in Honduras, if there is a table and, let's say, 200 people come to vote here, everybody has a representative. But the electoral body also has a representative.

But also, you can come as a citizen, five meters, five meters far, and you can be recorded whatever you want. Really? Yeah. That's how you guys do it in Honduras. Yes. So people actually trust elections in Honduras. Yeah, everybody's involved in that. Wow, did you hear that, Rob?

So you got one from each party there, representative, and people can come within five meters. Five meters is 15 feet, give or take. Five meters away they can record and stream it live and the people can see it. And I promote that reform when I was in Congress. Is that a new law? It is in the law.

When did that happen? I think, like, when I was in Congress, I think it was in Congress, I think was 2000. 2013, something like that. But the thing is this, everybody's counting and they said, this is the ballot. And let's say, Liberal Party, National Party. And everybody can be recording there.

But also the ones who are in the table, they are taking notes. That copy for each party, we are very good at keeping those records. So the information that I have from that, that process is that we win the electoral in the three levels. Presidency, Congress, and mayors. And who was a candidate for presidency? Tito Afura. Good guy?

Good guy, very humble, very charismatic, hardworking. He has been all around the country. And, of course, I had to tell you, the words of President Trump the other day. saw that um how could i say show up do you really what really was going on with the other candidates last thing i want to say to you is because while they're given the pardon to you you know it it makes me think about how things have worked over the years and i'm not even talking about your pardon but my mindset. Ninety-six, George Boyce Sr. is the director of CIA.

There's a lot of drugs going on in South, Central America, a lot of issues. So in 1976, while he's the director of CIA, Noriega goes to see him from Panama. And he goes to see him, comes back allegedly, you can verify this, Robic, it could be wrong. But allegedly, the CIA ends up paying him almost too much. $200,000 a year, okay, for him to give Intel to us, to the CIA. By 83, he's making millions of dollars a year. Tens. Noriega is on fire.

He's doing very well for himself. And every single time, oh, so he was on the payroll. Yes, he was on, can you find out what the number was? No evidence of Bush personally authorized it? I just want to know what the number was. I hear it was almost $200,000. So he gets on the payroll. Then he starts making millions of dollars.

in exchange of being on the payroll and allowing to do the drug deal every single time one of the drug disputes took place and they didn't pay him he would give their names to the DEA and they would get arrested well by 83 85 86 it was no longer the communism and Russia was no longer the enemy

there you go $200,000 to $3.20 a year communism was no longer the enemy eventually the enemy became war against drugs right and so now we're more into reagan era by 1988 they bring noriega to miami and then he gets arrested the rest is done you know he goes to jail but during that time of him being on the CIA's payroll he leaked a lot of information to him so one what are your thoughts about noriega what do you think about that business model do you think it still currently happening today. Do you know what I'm asking?

No, it's really. So what I'm asking is guys like Noriega who are used to give intel on other people that are selling drugs and a government would allow them, this could be from the Biden's administration, why they wanted to work with some of these guys, this could have been Kamala, this could have been, you know, any of these. As long as you're sending me information about other people for me to catch and, and you're willing to rat other people out, I'll let you keep making your billions.

Kind of like what they did for them to come after you, okay? What are your thoughts about what happened with them, and do you think any of those methods are being used today? I don't really know. I cannot tell other than my government. For me, it was simple. If drugs go through Honduras, we have a lot of death, a lot of corruption. So my policy was to avoid drugs coming to Honduras.

That's the reason because through Honduras. We create a maritime chill and we work with the South Command. They put some very big ships in the Atlantic and we, with a small Navy, we did our part two. We also create the aerial chill, the tuning down law. And also we create a land chill. What means that? I work with the Guatemalan government to put a special

by national force in that border. We did the same with El Salvador and with Nicaragua. So Honduras was protected with those three shields. The thing is... You go to that map, Rob,

the one that he had on his PowerPoint, please continue. So, if you look at that, yes. I think... This is an 07. which years was 2007 you know who the president was at that time the guy who is the husband of the lady president right now malzalai so it started right there before it was they were moving drugs from venezuela to the dominican republic but then the romanican republic create this shooting down law i got the idea from d r i got you yes and then if you move the other one and what does that law mean What does that law mean?

If there is a flight, you have to have a legal permit. They have to be a communication between the country that you are coming from to the country that you're supposed to land. So they already have that information that that plan, the line says... You've approved it. The name of the pilot, whatever. And then if they are... If they don't have that permit, which is illegal...

flight so all planes come up and they have a protocol of how to communicate by radio but also by signals and they told them you have to land in that airport or ship whatever if they don't do it we're going to shoot you and now I can say because they have already passed we were in the business of killing pilots we were in the business of stopping those flights and we achieved that Colonel Kelly told those guys in the State Department, as a deterrent, that law is incredible. Interesting. And we achieved that. That's the reason because you see at this time, what is this year?

No. That's by C. This is by C. Look. 2010. That's the trend. That's the synergy that was going on after this Mel Salaya guy was in power. So that's the problem that we have.

That's the reason because we started with that law. If you continue the next one. So this shows, though, Rob, that goes from now from Venezuela to Honduras. Because of Zelaya, Castro's close relationship, friendship with the Venezuelan regime. Yes. And if you see now Dominican Republic have less lower. Okay. If you continue, look now.

No, that's a by sea. I see. keep going now if you see Honduras is almost free then we weren't even between the fifth countries with more drugs passing through got it after being the first verse that's what we did and they didn't allow me to use that information uh in on trial and do you know that's information what is coming from from southcom That's coming from Southcom That's the information that they share with us

So it's as accurate as it gets Yes, they have a satellite system And in human sources also It's 2017 Yes But if you continue to do that It improves even more You see how Honduras is free

All the things It moves to the Pacific To Costa Rica to Guatemala And to Mexico And Honduras is in the middle, the green. Yep. Can you put an arrow on it, Rob, so the audience can see where it's at, that green right there, yeah.

They come to Belize, to Guatemala, whatever, because that's what we did. And this is 2020. 2020. The last year of my presidency. Interesting. And has it, did the flow of drug come back up when the liberal individual one, Zuma one, did it open up again?

If you look at the international narcotic, strategic report, you are going to find that argument, that the situation complicated when they came to power. Interesting. Which match with the statement of Attorney General Bondi. Yeah, so it looks like you're optimistic about the new guy that's in. It looks like you're optimistic if he wins. Guillemar Castro. If he wins, what do you think will happen to Zeromari Castro? I mean, there is a lot of wrongdoings that happen.

Now, the Attorney General in Honduras is elected for seven years, which means that the guy who is now in office, who is from the same radical left party of the later president, If he continues there, they are going to be protected. You see that guy that we saw in that video with the Cachiros, the brother-in-law of the president. He even started the indictment having that piece of evidence there. But a couple of days ago, the candidate from the radical left Liberal Party, Rigsimukala, she said it in public. And now we ask the Attorney General that he has to indict former President Hernandez.

In less than 24 hours, the Attorney General was doing what he was asked, a political order. So I have to fight that legal challenge too, but that's the thing. So in order to ask, to answer you, all depends how. how the Attorney General Office is going to develop. And all depends also if the United States is going to request them in extradition or something. Because the Attorney General Bondi already said something about the Honduran government. Yeah. So final words, you know, the audience watched you and I think they need to know.

normally we'll have people that will reach out to our dignitaries or leaders of countries who have done what they've done they'll initially they'll come up and they'll say these topics are off you know we can't talk about these topics I think you need to know this there is nothing

and I'm saying you as the audience there's nothing he told me or his camp told us that's off base for us to ask nothing or else we wouldn't do the interview so I applaud you for for doing that because you're coming in here knowing I could ask any question and I brought up your brother. I brought up all this stuff. I played clips of Merrick Garland. I played everything.

The audience now can make a decision for themselves. But to me, watching this, it's very obvious you hurt a lot of people that were making a lot of money illegally, the narco, who don't like you. And you made some very, very bad. enemies with people that make money illegally and when you make bad enemies with them and when you have a guy who's killed 56 something people does less than six years and he gives away names and they tie you to one of them uh and he goes free it's on the streets and he was sent back by ice april of 25 under trump's regime you know it says there's some wrongdoing there and some manipulation going on under Biden administrations, probably not himself,

probably Kamala Harris and some of the other people that were doing what they were doing. But is there any final words you want to give to the audience? Well, I want to thank all of those Honduras and other people even from the United States, even former presidents in the region, who were not only praying for my release, but some of them write letters to President Trump.

Trump saying what they knew about me. But also I want to thank the people who put together all this information for the White House to review it. And of course, I want to thank President Trump, because he knew me when we worked together, but he now also has some more detail what really happened. It is in the documents. It is in the statements right there.

And of course, people like Royer's tongue that he didn't, I didn't even know him. He just empathized because he was, he went through to something like, like, like I was. And of course, I want to thank you. My lawyers told me, as you told me, Juan Orlando, if you want the word to know, you have to take this opportunity. I don't know who of your team called my lawyer, and he said, you have to be there, please.

Because I don't know much about the United States of course. But then when I do a research and my little daughter said, father, please, you have to go there. We need the people of the United States to know the truth. And now that's my task. I have to clean my name, the name of my family, the name of my team of my country. But also, I want to ask

anybody, anybody who go and do a research about my case. And I told the judge the day of my sentence. Please, release all these things for people to know. Because if you do that, your conscience, the day you die, at least you were going to say, you know, I allow everybody to see what really was there. And in Honduras, we are a small country. Everybody knows each other.

I'm coming from a rural area and they know me. So my teachers, my family, I mean my friends, everybody was like in shock. How could that be? If you look at the asset that they sees, about 80% is an inheritance from my father. My father bought those pieces of lands, let's say, 70 years ago, 80 years ago. I am not one who has money. Otherwise, I could have paid a very good lawyers. At the end, I ended up with a lawyer appointed by the judge.

No way. Yes. Your lawyer, the one that is sick, was appointed by the judge. No, no. That was the one who we started to pay, but we couldn't continue with him. But then the judge appointed another lawyer, Renato Staville. And he was working with us, and he said, at one point, I feel a shame what they have doing to you. And I want to say something very important for me.

Thanksgiving for you is of such an important day. Last time, Thanksgiving before this, I was called to have a visit and a legal visit. And I said, wow, and the officer said, no legal visits this day. But he was there and he said, I'm not here to talk about your case. And I'm here to be with you. Because you shouldn't be here. It's an amazing person. And a very good lawyer, he put together a memo very compelling. And I'm pretty sure that whoever read that memo was clear that it was a very great, justice. But I also think that when you talk about the deep state in America, some people

said, that's a conspiracy theory. I have lived it. This, fortunately, you have a very strong institutions. That's the reason because America is what it is. And there are good people, too. And I know that very good people who knew me were working backwards, sending information to my family and saying, use this. We couldn't use it on trial, but now we can use it in public. So in a way, I'm trying to prosecute my case in public. And thank you for helping me to do that. because I don't want anybody to go through what I have been through as a way as my family. So I want to fight for this law first way of doing things to stop.

And at the conservative movement in the planet, they have to know that this is real. So we have to work on that. Well, God willing, you will be with your family. with your wife and your daughters here soon you'll be back with your friends here soon you will get back that land that your father got 70 years ago back to you that he passed down to his son and uh you'll be able to do exactly what you want to do for your family and justice will be served and again i respect you for coming out and sitting on and having this conversation and it was great to learn more about you this was an incredible fascinating conversation with you

thank you so much for coming out i appreciate you all the best you Thank you. And by the way, with the PowerPoint you gave, are you okay if we share that with the audience? Sure. Okay. So here's what we're going to do. If you're watching this, Rob, let's put that in the Menect Circle. If anybody wants to go see it, it'll be in a Menex Circle free.

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