PBD Podcast - "They'll Erase You" - Super Elites, Invention Secrecy Act, Tesla, UFOs | Dr. Steven Greer | PBD Podcast Ep. 429

Episode Date: June 24, 2024

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I want to know, do you know what technologies and patents are in there? I do. Okay, can you share some of them with the public? I can do better than that. This would literally end all pollution on Earth, but it would also end poverty on the planet within about 20 years. This is a big announcement, I hope this goes viral, because that's what we need. Their plan is to create a threat from outer space, To try to unite the world, like Independence Day, the movie,

in a sort of a military blue raccoon tone of humans against aliens back in the 70s. They could hit a button, basically, and stage an alien attack. What do you think about Elon Musk and Woodrow? Is he like a Nikola Tesla? Is he a good guy in your eyes? If he was inclined to research this end of it, he wouldn't be making a, I call it a fake Tesla.

I mean, a real Tesla car wouldn't have to be plugged in. That existed in 1920s. Nikola Tesla had one. These folks, the world is a oyster. They operate as they want. Who nominates them? Nobody. It's so sensitive, we're not going to let the president

control this anymore, or the Congress. The big corporate media, left, right, center, all of it is corrupt. You're convinced all of it is corrupt? Absolutely corrupt. And the proof of it is... So a couple months ago, I watched this documentary called The Lost Century, blown away by it. First time I heard about Invention Secrecy Act of 1951. I told my wife, baby, you've got to watch it.

Then I told my son, you've got to watch it. I told everybody, you've got to watch this documentary. Six thousand patents that were protected by this senator called John Sparkman. It went into effect in 1952. Somehow someway that year they chose to nominate him on the Democratic Party as the Vice President. November 1st, we test the biggest nuclear test at the time. That was 700 times more powerful than the one we dropped in Hiroshima. November 5th was election.

And then Stephen Grury, I said, hey man, I know we did a podcast four years ago, we've got to do another one because I've got a whole different thing I want to talk to you about. He came on, we had a two and a half hour conversation together. He told me about the fact that the government has access to technology to teleport. You know, teleportation we hear about in movies and sci-fi and all this stuff. He says, nah, they've had access to it for a while. Told a time about and encountered that George H.W. Bush Sr. had with President Bill Clinton telling him what to stop talking about and

not even look into private conversation he had with Barry Goldwater, lots of weird things, colleagues that were killed for having information. And then today he releases this project he's been working on for many, many years where you'll have access to all this information from the Invention Secrecy Act of 1951. Anyways, I don't want to take anything away from this. You will be fascinated by this conversation, especially if you are a capitalist, if you have a family, and you want to find a way to preserve this great world we're living in, right, Earth, and you want it to be around, you want to find out who would have power players that are?

Controlling all the good things that could potentially happen to you and I for the future You're gonna want to watch this thing in its entirety and you'll thank me at the end of the podcast having said that Here's dr. Steven Greer So the last time we were together, you and I, was May of 2020, which is a little over four years ago, four years and a month. And it was a fascinating conversation. Millions of people watched it. It was great. We talked about aliens.

We talked about your encounters with aliens, experiences, what you've done. Obviously, a doctor, scientist, the things you've worked on. I even think your dad, was he working on the certain responsibilities with the atomic for the government? What was your dad's? No, it was my uncle helped design the lunar module. The lunar, that's right, your uncle. The thing that landed on the moon the first time with Bill Armstrong.

So this is like, this is in your genes. You've been interested in this for a while. And then recently, I was late to this. Two months ago, I watched The Lost Century, right? And how do we claim it? The documentary that you did that I think came out in 2023, if I'm not mistaken. It came out last year. I watched it, and then I was blown away by the Invention Secrecy Act, and I went down

a rabbit hole. And I wanted to find out who wrote this bill, and what happened to the guy that wrote the bill. The guy that wrote the bill, you know who he is the John Sparksman I think his name is or something like that, you know He ends up becoming the vice president the nominee for the Democratic vice presidential candidate of 1952 Exactly the year they wrote the bill and they're holding on to 6,000 patents and then I had my wife watch it Then I had my son watch it. He's here right now, he just met you a few minutes ago. And I think the world needs to know about

this. And that's when I said, I think we need to do part two. And I'm glad you said yes. Happy to be here. You do a great show. So let's start off with that. I mean, I got a lot of things I want to go through with you, but I want to start off with that. To the average person, when I ask them, have you heard of the Invention of Secrecy Act? When I tell you, 99% say, I've never heard of it, I'm being friendly. Because 100% of people are like, what is the Invention Secrecy Act of 1951? Can you tell the audience what is the Invention Secrecy Act of 1951, who was behind it, and why? Well, it actually became an off-shoot of the

projects from the 40s dealing with energy and technology and propulsion systems that if they were disclosed would be at the immediate replacement of oil, gas, coal, surface transportation, public utilities. Well in today's dollars you're talking probably over a thousand trillion dollars. So what most people don't realize is that around between 1945 and 1954 was the heyday of electromagnetic engineering dealing with energy and propulsion. And it was from two sources, research that had been done in the late 1800s and early 20th century, and even things that people call anti-gravity, not the correct scientific

term, but let's just go with that. It's really gravity control. Those experiments started in the late 20s with T. Townsend Brown and the Klosky-Frost experiment in Germany, and where very high-voltage systems would cause objects to lift and basically have mass cancellation and look like they're defying gravity and levitate. There's the G engines you're talking about. Yep. But that was earlier.

I mean, that was later. This was 20s. But those began to be more and more classified. So T-Towns and Browns' work became some of the core founding for what's called the RAND Corporation in Ventura, California. So T-Towns and Browns work became some of the core founding for what's called the RAND Corporation in Ventura, California. But those got populated with research from retrieving extraterrestrial vehicles in the mid-40s and 50s, where they began to study them under a very highly classified project.

I have the documents. We've just released all of them to the public last month in our Disclosure Project Intelligence Archive. But it describes, in one of the Canadian top secret documents, that a top secret team was working on this in 1950. And the work they were doing surpassed the secrecy of the development of the hydrogen bomb, the ultimate doomsday weapon, if you can imagine. Now this is an authenticated top secret document. So the punchline of that is there was this technological breakthroughs, both human and in studying objects from outer space, let's say, that came together,

the like two mighty rivers that became this torrent, but very classified. So they realized that there were too many people stumbling across this, and they created this act to give the government the power that even if you don't apply for a patent, if they learn you have something that they want to seize, all they have to do is issue a national security order on it, and they take it. And this is not a conspiracy theory and all that. It's just a fact.

You can look up the, you know, people can look this up. And I am working, I've worked over the years with many, many people who've had that happen to them, geniuses that have had their work confiscated. And it would be an enormous benefit to humanity. But the super elite, global elite don't want that out. They don't want, they didn't want it out in the fifties, and they don't want that out. They don't want they didn't want it out in the 50s They don't want it out now. So that is the core of the secrecy between what people call UFOs or uaps that I mean that's really the heart of it

the other thing is that when I go into a skiff a Secure compartment information facility where top secret information is exchanged a secure compartment information facility where top secret information is exchanged. One of the first things I do, whether it's with the members of Congress or some military people is to tell them, you know, see this video that the Pentagon has confirmed is real of this UFO flying off to California. And they got released years ago. And I said, just look at that. Forget all the esoteric and alien cache and baggage.

That is an alternative energy and propulsion device, period. And I said, if you look at how it's moving and the sensors that they put on that thing, both from space and the ship, the big battleship out there, and the jet pilots flying those F-18s, they had no heat signature. And here's the thing, there's no jets, there's no rockets, and if it was a nuclear power plant, it would be very hot, because you know fission is extremely hot. So how is it doing? How is it moving like that?

Well, it's using this whole new physics. And this is why most of our Air Force and other pilots, when they encounter these, they immediately assume all of them are alien or extraterrestrial, when in reality, I'd say 70, 80% of them are ours, highly classified, illegally run covert programs without the oversight of the Congress and the president. So that secrecy has become so embedded. You know, Eisenhower had a pretty good clue about it when he left office and he said,

but where are the military industrial complex? And I remind people he's a five-star general, right? And a conservative Republican, moderate Republican back then. But he was no enemy of the military. But he warned the dangers to democracy and secrecy because of this. Now, he didn't mention the UFO issue, but he was very much read in, and I can prove that. Our archive goes through that. And he then, by 1957 to 8, was being pushed aside out of those programs. And we actually have an attorney who at the time was a young man in the Army, his testimony

we released in this archive where he says he was at the White House Signal Corps in 1959, 60, before Eisenhower left. And Eisenhower told him that he was being blocked control over these projects So these covert programs have been let's just say off the leash For most of you know, the the last 60 so I want to ask you this so I'm going through a timeline while you're talking and I'm taking notes here, you know, so Hiroshima happened August 6 1945, right? Okay, Nagasaki happened August 9, 1945. Okay. Invention Secrecy Act happened in 1951, which ended up being a law, 1952, led by Senator

John Sparksman. Great. And that year, he ends up being nominated as the vice president for the Democratic, you know, nominee. Okay. Then the election that year, that the day we voted on Tuesday was November 4th of 1952. Three days prior to that, on November 1st of 1952, is the big explosion that we had, the thermonuclear explosion that took place. Rob, if you can pull this up, thermonuclear explosion that took place. Rob, if you can pull this up. Type in hydrogen bomb year. Just type in hydrogen bomb year.

So if you type in hydrogen, can you zoom in? I just want to read that right there. The US tested the first full-scale thermonuclear device on November 1st of 1952. The result was an explosion that was equivalent to one produced by more than 10 million tons of TNT. This was approximately 700 times the power of the uranium bomb dropped in Hiroshima. Stephen, 700 times. So here's what I'm trying to find out. The time span from August 6th, Hiroshima, August 9th, Nagasaki You know it's Invention Secrecy Act of 1951 52 becomes in then November 1st

We have the hydrogen bomb November Fourth is the election Is the reason why they put the Invention Secrecy Act a noble cause? Or was it the fact that people of big industries were afraid that maybe they're about to lose some of their control and business that they have? Because there's a part of it that could be like, no, it was noble. We were worried. We wanted to make sure that certain things wouldn't be available to other people because

if they did, what if out there in the free marketplace somebody explodes and messes with this uranium and then all of a sudden we lose our country, we lose all this stuff. How much do you think was noble? How much do you think it was, hey, you passed this bill, we'll make you the vice president, we can do this? What do you think happened there? I think it's both. I think for certain, there are certain valid national security secrets that are technological

that should be kept that way. And I don't have grievance with that. What's terrible is when there are corrupting influences from financial and corporate sectors that then it's the tail wagging the dog of the government of We the People, right? And, you know, so my great-great-whatever grandfather was the first prisoner of war in the American Revolution. And, you know, my my great great whatever grandfather was the first prisoner were in the American Revolution and

You know my family my dad was hand-to-hand combat World War two and in the Pacific You know we look at this I mean the people I work with who are special forces and military and they look at this and they go well You know if you have a corrupting influence and you have that kind of state power You know, if you have a corrupting influence and you have that kind of state power, then you can get into trouble if there isn't proper oversight. And there hasn't been. What I'm trying to say is that between the 50s and now, after Eisenhower got shoved aside, the folks who've been working and keeping these secrets are not necessarily

doing it on behalf of the US government or the American people or the world they're doing it on behalf of their own interests, which are usually financial and Global power related and that is the problem. It's a big problem when no one's mining the store This is why I've been trying to get Congress to have subpoena power through the House Oversight Committee and the members of Congress I've been meeting with, which we'll get into that that's just been blocked, by the way. Because without that, you really have a Frankenstein we created in secrecy that Eisenhower warned

us about that's really gone crazy. So yes, there are some valid national security secrets that would be covered by that. But on the other hand, it's like your grandmother's skirt. It hides everything, right? And they can hoover up totally legitimate technologies that, for example, you could have an electric car but not have 900 pounds of lithium ion batteries. You'd have a battery about this big and it would start up a electromagnetic generator pulling energy out of, we can talk about this,

what's called the quantum vacuum or zero point energy field. And you'd never have to plug the thing in, right? So that- That was in there at that time? That existed in 1920s, Nikola Tesla had one. And we've documented this. Now remember when Nikola Tesla died in 1943, the FBI went in and seized, I think it was 40-some trunks or no, it was 20-some trunks of secret papers.

And I have a group that's thinking of suing for those. But those- Who still has that? The US government has that or the military industrial complex has that? This is a good question. Because where does this stuff go once it gets hoovered up under the Secrecy Act? And this is a big problem because you would think, let's make this real for people, right? So back going 30...

Well, 1993 is 31 years. I was asked as a young doctor to come up and brief the director of the CIA for Bill Clinton and R. James Woolsey. And it's because he and the president had started looking into this issue, the whole UFO issue, all of it, and they had been denied access and blocked and were being lied to. You're in the room with both of them? I'm in the room with the CIA director. Okay. And my POC, my point of contact to him,

who is the head of a military think tank. So, I thought, honestly, I mean, you put me under the sodium pentothal, I thought it was a ruse to pick my brain because I had these aerospace connections in my family, I had all this information, and it was just counterintelligence trying to figure out what I knew. No, it turned out the CIA director was completely blocked.

The president had been blocked. And then I found out recently, Clinton was threatened. And I have a document that also establishes that from someone who was with him, where he admitted that he was personally threatened if he looked into this much further. And so I think this was my coming of age. To be honest with you, I was always interested in UFO and ET issue.

I had sightings when I was younger. I had a family member who designed a thing that landed on the moon with Neil Armstrong. And yes, we did go. They just didn't tell us everything that happened but the the CIA director was shaken and he couldn't get access even with the clearance that a director of CIA would have so there's a parallel illegal black government system that I think is mostly corporate so if you're asking me where the center of power on this is, you know, everyone in Congress and the National Security Council and the president wouldn't add up to anything, a hill of beans,

compared to what Lockheed Skunk Works and my uncle Northrop Grumman, he had his whole career with Northrop Grumman, Raytheon, and some of these other huge behemoths that are contractors, but who have highly compartmental operations dealing with this. Now, we actually have the information and a letter from the director, the head of the Lockheed Skunk Works, the top secret aerospace engineering, and it's in the archive. We released this now, both the letter written to him from a friend that his widow gave to us and the reply from Ben Rich and it says point blank his friend said do we have these UFOs and he

says yes the some are extraterrestrial many are ours and he admits their hours meaning human made so People think that technology to stand still but if you if you're at the threshold in the 20s 30s 40s discovering this area of science of electromagnetic physics post-quantum sort of Entanglement we can get into this is sort of boring for the general public But and you then know, you have special access projects that are top secret, but then decide it's so sensitive, we're not going to let the president control this anymore, or the

Congress, except for a few devils that they put in there that do control it. So it's a complicated sort of architecture of this secrecy. You have to throw your civics, high school civics book in the trash. So let me let me go back to this still. I'm stuck on this invention secrecy act from purely in the capitalistic standpoint, not even the alien side and all the other stuff that's in there, right? So let's go back to it. So enough energy to you know, zero-point energy, which we'll get into. Okay, great. And this Nikola Tesla and what happened to him and they came and they took the files, God knows how many boxes,

and they went to Trump's uncle, Fred Trump's brother, John, they go to him. Hey, is this anything that's a threat if it's leaked to the public? No, nothing to worry about, great, they still end up keeping it anyways, right? But I'm trying to find out. So if you were to simplify to the audience, the audience wants to

know, hey, Steven, what are some of those 6,000 patents that we have? And what industries would they destroy? And how much would our lives improve? For example, you know, one, we have access to being able to produce cars that can run on water and it puts out of a five trillion It puts a five trillion dollar oil industry out of business overnight, right? You know, we have the you know Pharmaceutical side to be able to come up and you know solve Cancer tonight, you know We just have because if we do the amount of chemotherapy business is a such-and-such amount of million dollar industry We don't want to put that out of this.

We have the ability to do it. I want to know, do you know what technologies and patents are in there? I do. Okay, can you share some of them with the public that maybe would be revealing? Well, I can do better than that. You go to our archive and there's a whole file of, I believe, thousands of pages of those that were copied by a man I knew, who's passed away, named John Bedini. And there was a CIA officer who had approached me, but previously it approached him, and took him.

And it's called the Sejeki files, S-E-G-E-K-I, Sejiki. And he was a CIA officer who allowed Mr. Bedini to go into a- Bedini or Benini? Bedini, B-E-D-I-N-I. Got it. John Bedini, and he's passed away, but a couple years ago, but this CIA officer Sejiki,

he let him go into a facility where they had confiscated these sort of inventions over many decades. And they had the patents in file cabinets. And he told John Bonini, he said, you know, he was trying to recruit him into the agency in a covert program, dealing with technology. So the guy was a genius with electromagnetic engineering, Badini was, and he let him for 24 hours copy anything he wanted. And so he went and he did. But the CIA officer, Sajaki, eventually was told,

no, I'm not gonna join your operation, but Badini had kept a copy of those files, which members of my team digitized. So the CIA officer didn't know that he took those files. He didn't know he kept a copy of those files, which members of my team digitized. So the CIA first said they didn't know that he took those files. He didn't know he kept a copy. He thought he got them all back. And now we've released them. They were in an encrypted CD, I believe, and the encryption's been removed and people can go in there. Now, that was the tip of the iceberg, because this was a huge facility.

It's like the end of the movie where the, you know, where Stephen Spielberg, the Raiders of the Lost Ark, when they're rolling the thing into this big warehouse. Where was this facility? It was in the upper Midwest, is what I've been asked just to say. And an old school house facility that was cordoned off

and looked like nothing important. So you know where it's at, but you're not able to say? Yep. Okay. I do know where it is. Got it. And would it be a place that the average person walks by every day and they have no clue what it is? They'd have no idea.

And is there protection, like hardcore, secret, protection around it that you can't see? Or are there people outside of the building that you could tell that something's weird about this building? There are sensors. There are sensors, got it. And what are some of the things you guys found, you know, thousands of pages? What are some things your team and your, you and your team found where it's,

why would they hide something like this from, why would they keep this away from us? Well, they had, they had electromagnetic devices that were so-called free energy. They had technologies that would take water, as you mentioned, and do the hydrolysis past the Faraday constant, where it would be at certain voltages and frequency, you get a magnetically charged hydrogen and oxygen gas you can burn, get energy, the only pollution is water vapor. All of those sort of technologies. But then there were other things that were even stranger, where you can cause basically atomic changes in the electron shell,

so that you can move up and down the periodic table at certain frequencies, magnetic field frequencies, so that you could theoretically take tin and turn it into gold. Transmutation is like the alchemist, but it's high tech. And these are very old discoveries. And so one of the big problems is when you ask this question, why wouldn't we have it, the economic power is really about the money, it's about dollars. But when you start talking about trillions and dozens or hundreds of trillions of dollars,

now you're talking about something that is an impact, that's way beyond inventing a cell phone or even the internet. This is way past that. Because our entire planet is running on an antiquated grid and energy paradigm from the late 1800s. And if you take nuclear power plants, the mid-40s. And what I remind people is, do you really

think fundamental energy generation and propulsion technologies haven't gone forward since 1945. This is ridiculous. But those technologies which prompted these national security patent acts and seizure laws both had applications. They could be sold to Congress because there were legitimate state secrets. You didn't want to just let someone leak out your design for a nuclear warhead, for example.

But on the other hand, there are technologies that would greatly benefit humanity. And let me remind people, this would literally end all pollution on Earth, but would also end poverty on the planet within about 20 years. Why? Right now you have three billion people on the planet. The economists came out with an article I think of two years ago about this that don't even have energy to cook their food.

So they're like cutting down any brush in the desert and the rainforest just to be able to have some charcoal to cook food. That's three thousand million people. This isn't sustainable. This is not a way to have a planet, right? So these technologies would change that. And many, many people in these covert programs agree this should change. But you're stepping on some very big toes. I mean, you're talking the kind of macroeconomic power

globally that is way past anything that the president deals with. And that's the problem. Because on the one hand, some people have told me who are in this system, it's like the cure is worse than the disease. That's release this, it'd be too disruptive. I said, yes, it should have been released 100 years ago. It would have been transition, would have been easy. But now look at the mess we're in. Because of this secrecy, but also the illegal application of it in the last 60 years. Now that is what Congress right now is trying to grapple with.

But it's a big mistake for the public to think, because you're the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, or the co-chairman. You're a nobody. Like Mr. Rubio. Yeah. Those folks are told either nothing or some version of a lie that they want to be told.

This is what happened to Mr. Trump, by the way, in his first term. And also Mr. Pence, because a friend of Mr. Pence's family works with me, and we found out what happened. But the problem with all of this is what has happened to democracy and oversight and we the people. But also, if you know, when you talk about we have a free market economy and capitalism, do we? I mean, if the most important discoveries and sciences of the last hundred years

have been ruthlessly confiscated and kept secret, Do we? I mean, if the most important discoveries and sciences of the last hundred years have been ruthlessly confiscated and kept secret, no, we have a managed economy. It's not quite as managed as, say, China's or the Soviet Union's or Venezuela in control, but it's still controlled and managed. It's a mistake to think it's free, a free market. It isn't. The only way it could be free is that if the technologies that were not weaponized, and this is when you mentioned that Mr. Trump's uncle said, no, these are fine.

They're not going to hurt anything. Well, they wouldn't hurt. It's not like they're dangerous. It's just that it's gonna hurt you if you own, you know, a three dollar trillion dollar oil field Off of Venezuela or whatever and these big interests So I think this is you know, and and I'm not saying that everybody in the oil industry knows about this They're not they're just doing their jobs, but I'll tell you there's a fortune 50 fortune 500 fortune 50 But I'll tell you, there's a Fortune 50, Fortune 500, Fortune 50 companies chairperson trying

to come forward. And... Fortune 50 chairperson that's trying to come forward? Yeah. Chairman, former chairman. He's getting up there. He's about 79 or 80. He's still active?

Oh, former chairman. But he has the documents and the information. He wants to come forward with them. But you know when he reached out to me last year, they threatened him and his family and his grandchildren. Is he a money guy? Is he financially free? Oh sure. So how do they threaten them? What do they say? How do you threaten a person like that? What are we gonna do to you? Kill your whole family. No, so you threaten a person like that? What are we gonna do to you? No, they kill your whole family. No, who? So who calls a person like that?

Really spooky people. I've had them appear in my life and threaten me. I say buzz off, but But you know, we've had I've had four people my team killed Four people in your team killed. I you know, when Mr. Grush was asked about this at the House oversight hearing last year, he said yes, because when Mr. Grush was working with people that I had been briefing to give information so he could begin to drill down on this, but he was not a direct whistleblower witness. He was actually, he's called a whistleblower, but he's not. He didn't directly deal with the technology or the programs.

He was investigating them on behalf of the folks that I was giving information to, to tell them where to go. Like I told them exactly where to go in the high desert of California to find this stuff or wherever. So, but someone asked know, someone asked, one of the members of the committee,

I think it was Congressman Burchette, who I've been working with, asked, well, have people been killed? And of course, a few months earlier, I think it was January of last year, there was a peripheral person on that team who was killed because he stuck his nose in the wrong place.

So people are very naive, frankly, if they don't think this kind of corrupt power. Think of the worst thing you've ever heard about the mafia or the mob on steroids, hypercharged on steroids. But let's stay on that. That's what you're dealing with. They're thugs. Four people that were killed on your team, their public. How were they killed and how recent was it?

Oh, this goes back in the 90s. What were you talking about? What were they talking about or digging that cost them their lives? They were deep cover sources giving me information. So they had jobs. Before I had good security in place. And I didn't have what I have in place now Which I call can you say what they did for living or no? Oh

Well, they're various. Well, one was a military naval intelligence guy one with CIA And one was an assistant of mine Was an assistant of yours. I'm a good friend. How did he get killed? She how did she get killed? It was basically a chemical weapon that was I'm a good friend. How did it get killed? She. How did she get killed? It was basically a chemical weapon that was induced a very aggressive cancer very quickly. And you know, I have an FBI lady on my team who's a special agent. She said, oh, you have 150 substances like that. 150 substances to inject cancer into somebody?

Or brush up against someone or do something that will kill them. Brush up against somebody like there was a movie I watched about the brushing up to somebody dead. Oh, absolutely. So that's not just a movie. In real life, you can do that as well. Oh, 100%. Okay, so let's go back to this.

Let's go back to the point I'm making, and that is people are afraid, and they should be. Now, this is why, going back to 94, I asked the president at the time, Clinton, to do an executive order protecting high value whistleblowers and witnesses, whether corporate or government, military, CIA. And no one would do it. I have a big announcement. I'm saying this on your show now because it starts June 20th. There is a special access project that has been stood up that is going to provide this kind of security and protection to whistleblowers and high-value witnesses that have been sitting

on the fence coming forward. This is a big announcement. I hope this goes viral because that's what we need. Now I asked the Congress to put that in a bill, but they're not quite at the point where they realize lethal force has been used. They're still a little bit naive. And so since lethal force has been authorized, in fact, not long ago, there was a meeting in a skiff

talking about engaging the wetworks. Wetworks is a term for assassinations. He used to be an old Soviet term, wet from blood. But those sort of operations is not some kind of movie. It's real. I've dealt with it. And know this this chairman of this huge former chairman of this big fortune 50 corporation He desperately he regrets what he did You know and and he has stated to us that the whole world decades ago could have had quote-unquote Free energy with these technologies and look at the state it's in so let me he really wants to come forward but he's scared so I'm saying look I'm gonna just try to set this up. I see what you're saying. So this is a big announcement that there's I can't say what agency it's under but it is an authorized special access project

that can monitor security and provide security and... Two whistleblowers. Two whistleblowers, yes, and witnesses people who have been in these projects, seen things that want to come forward, or they may have documents like this gentleman. Is this an agency that has a lot of credibility today? I don't think any government agency in the United States has a lot of credibility today. Is this a three-letter agency that we're familiar with? It would certainly be known by any educated American, but I can't comment beyond that. But I will say that the people in it are all folks

who had been in special forces, and they are not in the military now, because you can't do that. Of course, you're in the military, you can't act domestically. But, and they're wonderful people. And so I've been working with these folks for a while and providing them an unredacted Version of the archive we just released meaning unredacted it has all the names it has

760 some whistleblowers in it Now, you know if you go to the archive you'll'll see, I think we have 120-some whistleblowers and witnesses name, rank, serial number, and their video testimony. Not one or two, not five. So what's in this archive? If the Congress held hearings starting next week from Monday through Friday, 9 to 5. These are the names, May 13, 2024? Yeah, look at this.

Yeah, it's 700 and some. But the first 100 and some are people we've already interviewed. We have their DD-214 discharge forms. We have video, most of them on video testimony. Are these all public? It's all public. Anyone with a computer on planet Earth can see these. Can they see the videos or that's being released?

Both. Is it already released? Yes, sir. Okay. And what's the website that they can go to? This, well, we'll have to put that up. This is a DP, like Disclosure Project Intelligence Archive. It's DPI Archive. DPI, yeah. Well, archive, yeah. We'll put the link below. We have it right there. We just released this last week and of course we had about thousands of bots that invaded the site, tried to shut it down. So we are asking people to register. It's free.

We have a crowdfunding program because it's probably going to cost us, I don't know, tens of thousands of dollars a month in usage fees. But the reason I did this, and I've never done this, if you want to hear an interesting backstory of how accidents happen, a weird, you know, like why would I do something like this? And this is all stuff out of my own archive, 34 years of accumulated information. And it also is the black site list, 150 some black sites, where they are, and also links to testimony from witnesses about what's there underground in deep underground military bases or SCIFs, secure compartment information facilities. So some of them people have heard of, like Nellis Air Force Base and Edwards.

Some people know, most people never heard of. Black sites. CIA controls black sites used by the US government in its war on terror to detain people deemed to be enemy combatants. Well, not that, that's what we have various sites, but I'm talking about where retrieved UFOs have been put, where reverse engineered objects are located,

where the man-made ones are, when we knock one down with an electromagnetic weapon, a directional enemy weapon, where are those taken, where have they been studied, all that's in the archive. So it's a massive data dump. Let me go through a couple things here. So one, this chairman of a fortune, former chairman of a Fortune 50 company. Great guy. If any of these, if the 6,000 patents were to be released, and right now if I'm not mistaken,

the punishment is that they give you 75% of what they think the patent is worth, I believe that's what they say. And then if you sell it off to somebody else, and they find out you're going to jail for the rest of your life, if you even talk about it, you're going to jail for the rest of your life. And if you go on Invention Secrecy Act of 1951, the way they categorize on what goes in there, right there if you can read it folks, the Invention Secrecy Act allows the US government to classify ideas and patents under secrecy orders which

definitely restrict public knowledge of them. And at the top, if you read it, the United States federal law designed to prevent disclosure of new investigations, the opinion, and technologies that in the opinion of selected federal agencies, so it's purely opinion-based, of selected federal agencies present an alleged threat, it's alleged threat, to the economic stability in national security in the United States. Okay, so energy oil, let's just go through it. ExxonMobil right now, market cap, June 2024, it's $497 billion, half a trillion dollar

company. Chevron is $284 billion. PetroChina, $244 billion, but that's China. India, UK, set them aside. You got a few other companies, you got BP, 100 billion dollar companies. These are not small companies we're talking about. Shell 218, right? I can go through a bunch of these that we know about.

If these things were released, how long before these industries were wiped out? Or would it be nasty? Would it be ugly? Would it be a danger to society? Would people be doing, would protesting riots, ugliness, power players come in and say, you're touching my wealth, what are you doing? What would happen if this actually was to be released? Well, see, this is the tragedy of corrupt interests keeping good science away from the public for over a hundred years. Yes, it's going to be very difficult. It's like an addiction.

The current energy paradigm, the whole planet is now addicted to substances that are normally cancer-causing and bad for the environment, but costly, and that leaves, as I mentioned, three billion people with no means even to cook their food. So that paradigm should have been retired, but we can't help that. We have to take the fact this is 2024. And so what I have always said is that it has to be released and then transitioned. But keep in mind, let's take one example, since you're getting into the macroeconomics of this. We make, on the planet, about 100 million motor vehicles a year, but there are one and

a half billion motor vehicles on the road, cars and trucks. So even if you retooled and twinkled your nose like bewitched or something and retrofitted all vehicle manufacturing to these systems, it would take about 15 years. And to tool up, it'll be five. So you're talking 20 years. Now I'll probably be dead, because I turned 69 next week, and your children will be in college.

And so even if we did it immediately, because there's a lag time Because we're not talking about you know downloading an app. We're talking about heavy industry here. We're talking about public utilities We're talking about manufacturing a box that would be at your house that would generate all the energy you need for your home No bill no power bill and no pollution, but to retrofit bill, no power bill, and no pollution. But to retrofit three billion households on the planet, two and a half billion, this is a massive, I mean, this makes the Marshall Plan after World War II look like nothing. So yes, this is what I've been saying to policymakers, this needs to happen, it will happen.

But the longer, this is like a leak in your roof, right? The longer you put that off, the harder the mess is going to be to clean up, and the more damage. So this is the tragedy of it, is that this was allowed to go on. And one of the things I've observed, people in periods of enormous power and responsibility, when they realize, when I go into a facility and I say, see that thing, that's an alternative energy and propulsion device, what people call a UFO. Well, once they realize what these implications are, then they get scared. They get to the edge of the table,

the edge of the cliff and back off. So here we are. Now I've spent 34 years trying to resolve this problem, literally 50 percent of my biological life, and it's a very heavy lift, a very dangerous lift. But, you know, what are we going to leave to our children? Your children, my, I have 12 grandchildren. What are we leaving, you know, on this planet to them? And I think beyond that, you know, on this planet to them. And I think beyond that, there's even a bigger issue not being addressed. Some of these UFOs or UAPs are from extraterrestrial origin.

None of them are hostile, but we have been targeting them with electromagnetic directional energy weapons since the 40s. And those technologies have become more and more sophisticated. And they have not struck back. If they did, the whole planet would come to a standstill. Because I think they're fundamentally peaceful

and very highly developed socially and spiritually. However, how do we know that? Well, because there have been a lot of people who've had contact, and there's no evidence otherwise. Now there's some scary stories, what we call the stagecraft of so-called abductions and mutilations and things like that, but those are all done by covert human programs. Those are lookalikes.

We can get into that. I mean, that's a whole, actually, there's a whole section of the archive on that. And we actually document this. I have top secret guys who come forward on the record stating point blank that they have been part of operations abducting people. And in fact, the very famous astrophysicist, Dr. Jacques Ballet, who some of his work ended up in Steven Spielberg's movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind. And he ended up in stephen spielberg's movie close encounters are the third kind And uh, he's up in his 80s now and in 1992

He wrote in a he wrote a book and he had a log entry where he had received a 1985 cia document that outlined uh for psychological warfare purposes Them using these advanced technologies that look like an alien craft and other technologies to quote, abduct peasants in Argentina and Brazil for their psychological warfare value. Now that's in black and white. And so people go, this sounds crazier than the myth you've been told, and it is.

But why would they do that? Verna von Braun in his deathbed in 1974 told a member of my team Carol Rosin that their plan is to create eventually and hoax a threat from outer space to try to unite the world like Independence Day the movie and a sort of a military global junta of humans against aliens. It's all nonsense, it's BS. But it sells well. It sells movies, it sells tickets, it sells books. This is the Blue Beam, Project Blue Beam? Yeah, related to that.

And I've met with many men who've been on operationally, like literally have been operational on those programs. Now, it went from really clunky stuff like the Betty and Barney Hill abduction. People think that was alien. It wasn't. It was us. Late 50s, early 60s. And I think President Obama's actually working on a documentary about that. And it was an interracial couple. A very interesting story. But most people have no idea what really happened with that And this is one of the really disturbing parts of this archive is water the technologies

that are in the hands of these sort of monsters and how have they used it to Deceive the public but also deceive policymakers and presidents You know, I talked to a man named Colonel Holman H H-O-L-M-A-N, he passed away and this was maybe five years ago and he was on a committee trying to sell first Carter who wouldn't bite and then President Reagan on SDI, Star Wars, the strategic defense initiative. And they weren't biting and then he said what we did we eventually played the alien threat card. And that's when Reagan signed onto it.

Now, he was prepared to do so because I'm working with an older CIA officer with a PhD. Some of his information is in the archive, but his name's redacted because we still work together. And he actually was a postdoc, had a PhD, and briefed candidate Ronald Reagan in 1979, when he was thinking of running for president, on the UFO issue. Because Reagan had had a couple sightings, including one on the governor's plane that you may have heard about. It's well documented.

And so, you know, President Reagan, not here's one of the problems of the president. You get into a position and say you're a governor or you're a real estate developer like Mr. Trump, whatever you are, or, you know, Mr. Carter was said he was a peanut farmer, exactly a nuclear engineer. And the top of his class in Annapolis, very smart, probably our highest IQ president. Mr. Carter was, he said he was a peanut farmer, he was actually a nuclear engineer, and the top of his class at Annapolis, very smart, probably our highest IQ president. Politically not very good, but he was very, very smart. But and you're going to come in there and the people who are going to come in and brief

you on this, if you ask, you're either going to be told nothing. And I know this because I've dealt with it pretty much every bit of presidential involvement since 19 since Clinton You're either gonna be told nothing or you're gonna be told a version of the truth that manipulates you into decisions They want to make you they want you to make and that's what happened to mr. Trump and mr. Pence and also to Ronald Reagan so And that's what happened to mr. Trump and mr. Pence and also to Ronald Reagan. So

It's dangerous say that kind of secrecy. Let me tell you why it's so dangerous It's the Foxes and there's Manning the henhouse, you know who's overseeing this? Right who's looking into this and who is in charge? Well, it certainly isn't the president they come and go go every four to eight years. Members of Congress come and go all the time. So there's sort of this permanent committee, a few hundred people, and they've arrogated this because it's so secret, the right to do this.

But they cannot be trusted. Who do they report to? Themselves. I mean, this is a global operation. And by the way, what I mean, this is a global operation. And by the way, what I'm- It's a global operation. So from different countries-

Oh, 100%. No, it take the map of the world and erase all the geopolitical lines. It doesn't matter. And that's actually, when the Senate intelligence people wanted me to come in, there was a map of the world in the conference room in the SCIF. And I said, see that map?

Erased all the lines on it. This is, these folks, the world is always sure they operate as they want. Who nominates them? Nobody. They move up through the chain of command or through corporations. How do you move up? You're moved up by giving a little information, see what you do with it. And if you can keep the secrecy. But more importantly, Once you reach a certain level of clearance When you realize how monstrous and criminal the operations are will you stay with that?

I'm dealing with a team right now that I can't see I won't even say what state they're in But let's just say in September. I was on a classified helicopter over two black sites and say in September, I was on a classified helicopter over two black sites and was shown where the underground openings are out in the desert, where the man-made ones come up and are tested. But there are also electromagnetic pulse weapons that are illegal by the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. And I have video and photos of this. One of the photos is in the archive, I'll just tell you that.

And there looks like there's a landing strip. It's not. It's an area with diamonds on it and that's where the man-made, some people call them ARVs, Alien Reproduction Vehicles, come up from underground. And I have the photos and video of the underground opening. We went right around it because this guy was cleared. He's one of the top people in the system, but he's wanting to defect. And it's one of these hundred people, one of these couple hundred people?

He's very high up. I wouldn't say he's on that policy level, but operationally, he's read in, he's been read in for many, many, many many years and he's very high up. What's his reason? So you went there and you actually saw it? Yeah, videotape, I have all of it. And it's public? Some of it. Off the air I'll show you the video of it. Okay.

And so that in September and then of course I was almost killed in October, I think I mentioned it too. How'd you get almost killed in October? Oh, someone tampered with my mountain bike seat, and it snapped off, and I was going fast. And my left foot came off, and two bones were in the air, and my left shoulder came off, and my abdomen got right. I had four surgeries in three months. You've got to be kidding me.

Yeah, I'm up doing everything now, but it was hell on earth. But you know, it was not the first time. And how do you know it was tampered with? How do you know somebody? I mean, it wasn't the bite that, it was like the whole thing was kind of saw through and snapped off.

We can't prove anything. I'm, and who cares? I mean, you know, as an emergency doctor, you know, I'm a trauma doctor anyway. Ironically, I'm laying there going, it's like an out of body experience, seeing me there with my foot off and the bones in the air. But I go, you know,

the only thing I said, I'm effed, you know, that's the only thing I said. But you know, it was a full trauma. How much do you, because you're in this world, who do you trust? Like what, how do you process who you can trust and who you can't trust? Oh, it's like the thing. It was in the Bible. Ye shall know them by their deeds. So well, my wife, my close circle of friends I've had for 50, 60 years, my assistant

who's been with me for a quarter of a century, and other people. And now there's this whole team of special forces folks and people who are defecting that are very close and who are enormously courageous men who want to do the right thing for the world and for the country. You know, Green Berets and Navy SEALs, some of them. But these are, some of them are still very active.

Some have separated from the military and are working in private But they're all gathering to do this disclosure of the subject and then that what I just mentioned the gentleman who had me on the chopper over these black sites in September there's a whole team that he is involved with at these sensitive facilities That are so the word used when he first reached out to me was fed up. They are fed up with what's happening to the planet, they're fed up with the illegal secrecy, and they're fed up with some of the atrocities that are happening that they've been part of. And it's very emotional for these men.

This chairman of the former chairman of the Fortune 50 company, if he comes out, what would he be leaking as a whistleblower to the country, to the world? Well he'd be leaking that one of the largest corporations in the world and certainly in America had worked on these programs and he has with him in his possession schematics and plans for these technologies and devices and He wants to hand him over before he passes away But he doesn't want to see any collateral damage with his family So that's why I mentioned, you know, I've been trying to get this sort of protection and even with that I'm not sure who won't.

People get very cold feet. I mean, I'll tell you a weird story that happened in the past year. There was a man who had worked out of the Northern Nevada Test Range. His testimony and information and the drawings of this event are in the archive. We took his name out because he doesn't

want to be known publicly yet. But he reached out to me about this and he was on a retrieval team. So it was at a, if you go from Nellis Air Force Base way north where the atomic, the nuclear test range was, where we did open air testing, there's a huge area and there's an underground base there and facility and there's a underground base there, and facility, and there's a team, a helicopter pad team, with Delta Force guys, and then this guy had been part of the retrieval operation in hazmat suits.

He was first put in there to retrieve man-made the triangular UFOs that are coming out of Northrop Grumman in Raytheon, that would malfunction and crash. And we have great artist rendition of exactly what these look like. Then he was moved into an operation where they would target, someone was targeting, not him, the extraterrestrial ones, and stun them, and they would go in to retrieve them. And when he realized what we were doing,

and he had an encounter with two of these events, extraterrestrial biological entities, what they're called, or aliens. I don't use the word aliens. People think of someone from, you know, Peru. But what happened is he was so second by what they were doing, he tried to separate from the operation,

which you generally can't do, but he had an uncle, and we know who he is very high up in this clandestine program, who helped get him out. But then he subsequently went through a whole series of events, including an attempted alien abduction with these fake-looking gray aliens. And he actually knocked one down. We have a great artistic artist rendering of how it split open what looked like the skin.

And they were all fiber optics and integrated circuits and stuff. This stuff is very sophisticated technology, way beyond what people can imagine we might have. So when he reached out to me, he was going to come, actually actually to the National Press Club and Congressional things we did last summer in June about a year ago. And a van pulls up, an SUV pulls up, guys come out and they say, you step one step further.

Look at your phone. And they had put child pornography all over his phone, all over his computers and says, you won't see your two little children again because he was recently in these programs you'll spend the rest of your life in prison and He called me up now if some nonsense like that happens to one of my guys now It'll be monitored if you if they come forward I hand them off to this special access projects team that have this monitoring capability they will open a criminal file and arrest and And open a criminal prosecution whoever threatens these witnesses. That's what we're setting up because I'm fed up I mean, I've you know, I've been carrying this ball and chain for a long time. So

That's the kind of stuff that happens routinely. I Deal with this every week, every month we have a new whistleblower comes forward and these sort of dirty tricks and nasty nonsense. I've been power, I'm a civilian. I mean all this stuff you hear me I'm talking about doing, I've done pro bono without charge in the interest of the public. But you know, there's a critical mass that's happened, I call it, of very capable military and intelligence and civilian folks who know that it's time

for this to come out, and now they have finally put together a way to protect these wonderful... And I have to say the names you see on that list are incredibly courageous people who've come forward. But sometimes they start to come forward and they get such a threat, they back off. Let me ask a couple of questions. And that frustrates me because some of the best ones, some of the very best people I'd like to put out in front of the Congress and the public, the best ones I would say are

the ones that they throw the worst dirt at. And the tactic is always the same, right? It's public humiliation, embarrassment in front of your family and kids, ruin your legacy, and whether you have done anything for us to blame you or not, we can fabricate it anyways and destroy your entire life. That's the strategy. Go in and clean out your bank account. Yeah. Yeah. You know what would be a great insurance business is to find a way to

protect you that if anybody ever tries to do that, you're protected from it. I don't know what the method would be to do that, but that would definitely be a big insurance industry if somebody could protect you from those types of things. Well, you know what I did instead? I did what it's called my dead man trigger. And I have files that no one's ever seen. If something happens to me, and this, I put this in place in the late 90s after I was almost killed.

And I said, yeah, if I just flat out get killed, the stuff that will hit blockchain and internet and sites, it will curl your toes. I mean, the archive is mind-blowing, but the stuff I've redacted and these private files would be more explosive. And I did it because, you know, the first three people who were killed were back in that era. One of them was a former CIA director helping us. I don't know if you remember back in the Ford and Nixon and Ford era there was a CIA director named William Colby, Bill Colby. And Bill Colby was read in or briefed on this, was very much involved and he was maybe pushing 80 and very fed up. And bless you.

And he was like, he was over it. So we knew what he was gonna do. He was gonna hand off to us one of these zero point quantum energy generation devices, free energy. And initially about $50 million in seed money just to get that going and hand it off. But he wanted to do it clandestinely, which I thought was very dangerous.

He should have done it on CNN or news or the press conference, but he wanted to do it that way. So there was a Colonel who was on my team who was his best friend. And the week he was going to meet with a member of my board, Bill Colby, the former CI director, was found floating south of DC in the river, made to look like a canoeing accident.

Even his wife went on CNN and said, he would not have been out there canoeing in a rain-swollen river at dusk. And he was killed. And his friend who was a colonel said, oh absolutely Yep, so that was a shot across the bow that was in 1995 during the Clinton era and What people are a lot of a lot of people don't think that kind of thing happens And of course the media said it was an accident.

His son, unfortunately, thinks he committed suicide, which he didn't. And that's a terrible thing, that think your father committed suicide. He did not commit suicide. What's the story of what happened with Nikola Tesla when he got out in a cab and that whole story? Yeah, well, he knew too much, too.

When Albert Einstein was asked by a reporter, what's it like being a genius, you know what he said? I wouldn't know, ask Nikola Tesla. Nikola Tesla was probably the great genius of the 20th century. And he died a poor man, a bitter man. Most of his huge breakthroughs never saw the light of day. You know, he had one of these sort of

electromagnetic generators that was free energy. JP Morgan famously told him, if we can't put a meter on it and charge, the utilities is not coming out. I mean, we're talking 20s here, 100 years ago. So it didn't help that he was a genius and had these breakthroughs. And that's why it was like 24 trunks of secret papers.

And the day he died, we can prove this. In this archive is a Department of Defense memo to the FBI demanding that the FBI turn those over. And I don't know if they ever did. I mean, that happened in 43. The document is not contested. It's authenticated document was from the 1980s. So eventually someone at the Pentagon

realized what the FBI was sitting on in a compartmented black project, and they wanted it. So, you know, untangling the history of this, you know, of course we'd be here for a week, but it's all in the archive. Maybe it's laborious to go through, it'd probably take people two years just to partially read it and see it. I just want to say one thing that's missing out of the archive is that I've done, I think

it's about 20 intelligence briefings that are being rewritten with links that aren't in the archive yet. That will be the first category. The right now they're 13, so it'll be 14 with this one. And it will relate to each of the categories, crash retrievals, military whistleblowers, technology, the black budget of the United States. We'll put the link below to go.

So go back to Nicolado. So what happened that day? New Yorker, he's getting out the hotel. I'm trying to see how I read the story, Cab hits him, and you're thinking maybe there was an inside job that, you know, broke his ribs or... Mm-hmm. Yeah. Who knows? I mean, one of the things that Gordon Crichton said, he was a MI6 guy in England, his testimony is in our, he's a British intelligence guy in England. He's his testimony is in our He's a British intelligence guy. It's in our

Archive, you know, he says if you become too troublesome They just erase you they get rid of you And you know, I've heard that term first in the 90s erasure. He's a ratio and I erasure. He was a ratio. And I think that, you know, like I said, my coming of age of this, I was fortunate that when I first started out on this in the early 90s, there was a naval intelligence guy who I thought was an infiltrator, but he was actually very sincere. I didn't know what an unacknowledged special access project was. You know, I'm a doctor. You know, I'm an emergency doctor,

and with four kids and a golden retriever in the suburbs, right? So I had no idea. But, you know, he took me under his wing and mentored me, and I learned a lot, and it was a very steep learning curve. And that was before I briefed the CIA director. So by the time I briefed the CIA director, I knew all this. Structure, let's call it the structure of the CIA director. So by the time I briefed the CIA director, I knew all this. Structure, let's call the structure of the secrecy. And I think that's the hardest thing for senators and congressmen to understand, or the general

public. How is this structured? That a president will be told, we're not going to tell you, right? And a few presidents have quipped, I know that President Carter was it was an event in Spain. I have a friend who was there and He was asked what was it like being the most powerful man in the world and mr Carter said I don't think I was that person and they said why he said there are things that as president I wasn't allowed to know about and Someone kind of giggling, joking, kind of making fun of it. Oh, you mean UFOs?

And he said, yes, that and more. Carter said this. Carter said that, President Carter. In an interview? No, in a dinner after an event in Spain. But I have a man on my team who was there. So this is a real issue. This is a huge governance,

because you're talking unconstitutional. so let's cut to the chase here. These operations are illegal black projects not legal There are legal black projects at the president and the gang of eight and Congress oversee But these are illegal meaning there's no oversight and they're being run as a criminal operation And I'll just call it out. They are not only criminal, but they're treasonous, because they absolutely will defy the chain of command. So here's a really good example. And this letter, this correspondence is in the archive. There's a man who had been the head of the what's called J2, head of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, J2, and Admiral Wilson. And this memo leaked out a few years ago, not my doing. It was

after astronaut Edgar Mitchell, the sixth man to walk on the moon, after he died, someone leaked this out of his archive because I had brought Dr. Mitchell, astronaut Mitchell to a briefing at the Pentagon that I was doing a stand-up briefing for Admiral Wilson. And Admiral Wilson was very sincerely wanting to find out about what was going on with this issue. So before the meeting, I sent him a secret document. It has not been declassified, which is in the archive. By the way, this is different from the trouble the president's in with classified material.

We declared all these projects unconstitutional and illegal in the 90s, documented it, and therefore I have in this archive classified top secret and secret documents for the public to see and they have not been declassified I'll just put that on the table. Hmm. So this document say, you know It was an NRO National Reconnaissance Office which runs all the super secret spy satellites, right? And it was from Area 51 Ellis Air Force Base in from Area 51, Ellis Air Force Base, in 1991. And they were warning of some civilians trying to spy on what was going on at that secret facility

from some mountaintops overlooking the facility. So they'd had what was called a security alert. But in that document, which I acquired, I won't say how, it listed the project code names and numbers. And that's in the archive. Anyone on Earth can see it it now as of the 90s so I sent this to Admiral Wilson along with some other briefing material and He made an inquiry now and remember this is the head of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff United States and

By time I got to this meeting he was scared to death and furious because he made inquiries through channels based on the information we had provided because and he discovered the the offices and the compartmented operations dealing with the UFO matter and he was flat-out told you don't have a need to know and he said I'm the head of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff How do I not have a need to know for God's sake? They said we will not discuss this with you when he pushed on it further They threatened him and they also threatened with taking a star off his lapel a demotion to retire him

Where he would lose a big pay cut in retirement. So that is a fact now The same thing happened to the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency. Google it. The Defense Intelligence Agency is like the CIA, but for the military intelligence. The director, General Patrick Hughes, I spent hours briefing at the Pentagon. He had a similar thing happen. And he made inquiries through channels and was flat out told nothing. Now, there have been people who have been read in

in those positions, others haven't. Why do some CI directors or J2 or whoever know and others don't? Well, we talked about it a moment ago. They're tapped early, they come up through the system and they're carrying water for this criminal operation. Well, I had Woolsey on the podcast a few years ago. Oh, he denies all this. When I spoke to him, I had Woolsey on the podcast a few years ago. Oh, he denies all this.

When I spoke to him, I said, so, you know, what was your experience like as the director of CIA? He says, you realize I never met Bill Clinton. I said, what do you mean? I never met the president. We never had a meeting, never communicated with me. He says, I think I had one encounter and was just like when I got appointed or do you want the job or not?

And that was it. But there was no communication. And I think he was only the director of CIA for two years if I'm not mistaken, maybe even less than two years. Can you look up the time? Yeah, it's less than two years when he was a director of CIA. So to me, based on what you're saying, was he one that knew or is he one that doesn't know anything?

He's not at the levels of knowing what's really taking place. At the time we met he didn't know. I think later he, as when he left the CIA, he was pulled into some operations where he knew, which is why he says very equivocal things about the issue. The same thing is true of Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, who is probably at the top of the pyramid of this covert group keeping this secret. I'll tell you a very almost comical story. Was he alive?

He was as of last a few months ago. So he's at the top of the pyramid. He's very senior. Mr. Cheney, him, and a few other people. Have you spoken to him? Have you had meetings with him? I had... Have you ever heard of Senator Barry Goldwater? Of course.

Well, he was hugely interested in what we were doing. He was. Goldwater. Goldwater. And I went out to his place in Scottsdale. What year was that? It had been the 90s. And he was friends with Admiral Inman. And so Senator Goldwater was always trying to find out about this, even when he was running for president and he was chairman of various committees in the Senate. And John McCain took his seat.

So I'm sitting at his house and Senator Goldwater starts saying, well, I've given him all the information I have. And he tells me two very interesting things. He said, I was never briefed on this, even as the nominee for president or as the key members of the Senate Armed Services or Intel. Never. He says, but I knew it was real because he had been in the Air, he was in World War II. Then he became a general in the Air Force Reserve. When he was a general in the Air Force Reserve. When he was a general in the Air Force Reserve,

he asked at General Curtis LeMay, they used to call him bomb them back to the Stone Age LeMay because he was advocating using nuclear weapons in Vietnam, which is what actually cost Senator Goldwater the election in 64. But this is of course in the 90s, many years later. And Senator Goldwater says, look, I asked. He had heard that at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, there was a name he called it

the Blue Room there. And he wanted to go there. And so he approached General LeMay, who I think at the time was chief of staff of the Air Force. And he says, I want to go there and General LeMay turned to Senator Goldwater and we're talking, yeah, and Senator Goldwater was told point-blank by General LeMay that if he ever brought this issue up again he would have been court-martialed out of the Air Force Reserves and that he, General LeMay, could not even get into that area anymore. Now, so I said,

here's a measure of the level of corruption and secrecy. Someone at that level of government, Senator Goldwater, conservative, Republican, pro-military, in the war, being denied access to this information. So how many data points like that do you need? This is why I tell people, can't I prove that these programs are unconstitutional or illegal? Absolutely, we can prove it. And so at that point, here's what really ought to happen. The criminal investigative division of the Pentagon and the FBI should launch immediate

criminal investigations into this. There's enough information in this. Who needs to? Well, for domestic, it'd be FBI. Okay. You know, FBI's not going to do that. Well, the... Not the crime.

I never say never. And the other would be the criminal investigative division of the Pentagon. Because there is enough proof of criminal activity and unconstitutional and treasonous activity to launch those. Now this is what I've been saying to members of Congress in the last few years since they've started looking into this I said you guys are you know here? Rearranging the chairs on the Titanic as it goes down You really need to understand and learn quickly that you know, you can make a request

Through the chain of command and you're gonna be told nothing like Woolsey, nothing like General Hughes, the IE director, nothing like Admiral Wilson, and all the dozens of other people like that. By the way, this pattern you can replicate in the United Kingdom, Australia, because I have had meetings with the Minister of Defense directors for Canada, Australia, and the United Kingdom. None of them were given access. And they all have told me, you know, this never came, they never were told. And then subsequently, they would have learned that, oh, there are operations right under

their nose that were deep black illegal operations. So this pattern is a dangerous pattern in terms of governance, but also for world security, national security, and the future of the planet and humanity. There's nothing good that comes from that kind of corruption. And so at some point, some people with real courage are going to have to step up to the plate. Or, you know, frankly, we're going to hell in a hand basket very quickly on this planet. Excuse my language.

But it's just we're not in a place where we can keep kicking this ball down the road. But that is typically what politicians want to do. They just want to kick the ball down the road. Like when Admiral said, Admiral, he says, I just, I just want to retire from this command and retire at my place in Montana and go fishing. This is too much to take on. And this was a man who was the head of in charge of CONUS, Continental United States Security. I hear that, I've heard all this for so many years, and this is why I'm very encouraged, actually, that this special access project has been stood up to protect whistleblowers and that

there are people defecting at a very high level from operational programs that are running these systems out in the Western desert. And separate from that, there's an entire group of Special Forces guys that I've been meeting with who are asking to eventually get authorized to strike these facilities. How did these people that are the powerful people that even Barry Goldwater couldn't get up to and President Carter couldn't get up to, President Trump was asked the other day by Logan Paul about UFOs, his answer was very generic.

This one man told me that there are things up there, but he wasn't really given the answer. Well, no, because as one president said, I'm only the president. And that's true. I mean, it's like the comedy, you know, but that needs to change. Now there are people I know who are very good friends with Mr. Trump and, you know, I actually met with Mr. Biden when he was chairman of Foreign Relations

committee back a long time ago, but he wouldn't touch this with a 10 foot pole. Um, and who is the most powerful person in America? Oh, I don't think anybody would probably know their name. Yeah, they're sort of behind the scenes, but certainly people who on this committee, like Admiral Wilson now, you know, here's the lineage. He was deputy director of CIA, then he was the director of the National Security Agency, then he moved on to the board of, wait for it, Science Applications International Corporation. Who's this? Admiral Bobby Rehman. So if you look at that, often there's a trajectory where they're brought in and brought up. But where they end up, the revolving door out of government and senior military intelligence,

you keep seeing this pattern that the center of gravity are in these big contracting entities like SAIC and Raytheon and Northrop and Lockheed and so forth. So that's where the action is. I think the center of gravity isn't in the government at all. Was Mr. Bush senior ever one of these high-ranking people that was on the inside or no? Oh absolutely. George H.W. Bush? Yes. W no. But George H.W. Bush, he was the one who threatened Bill Clinton. But stay quiet, there's none of your business. I have a witness to Mr. Clinton sharing that.

George H.W. Bush, senior. Yes, there's none of your business, but out. Because Mr. Clinton had stood up what's called Red Team. Red Team was a military special operation to the Blue Team was conventional military. Black to the blue team was conventional military, black team were these illegal operations. Clinton had authorized, I have a whole document on this. It's not in the archive, but it's definitely in my dead man trigger.

That was called red team. And these were people trying to infiltrate these illegal black projects. But most of them either got absorbed or killed. And eventually George H.W. Bush said, back off. This is none of your business. Did he? Oh yeah, absolutely he did. That's why they became fast friends.

And towards, remember? Did he, did he, I do. Did he ever make it, was Bush ever in a top five most powerful men in America? Or no? Was he still? There's people above him that he's reporting to. He would have been on the mid to upper level of that committee, two, 300 people.

But George H.W. Bush was definitely involved. I would say, ironically, Cheney Morso, Mr. Cheney. Cheney Morso? Why is that? Because of who he is. On the military industrial complex, the money. All the way back to the, what was he, forward defense secretary, I mean all the way back to 70s, 80s. Yeah. Absolutely. How powerful was Kissinger? Was he anybody? Oh yes. Okay, above a Cheney? Sure, absolutely. So he was one of the 200?

Sure, yes. Mr. Kissinger, yes. What's your opinion on him? It's unfortunate. I mean, I think he's a very brilliant man, but you know, I think he moved us in a lot of corrupt directions and harmful directions such as this issue for one because and I don't go to my me he's passed away is irrelevant and speak too badly of him, but Yeah, I think he would have been very way high in that pecking order But was very interested in I hate to say, subverting American power for global power. So this is a pattern you see.

And it's not that I'm against international relations or all that, but there is a concerted effort in my opinion to subvert and make subordinate American power and interest to some of these global schemes and agendas and Kissinger was really one of the original architects of that but because you have you can't take this UAP UFO secrecy issue out of context with all of these other concerns. You know, national security, world security, energy, financial, I mean for heaven's sake, it's the petrodollar, right? From Bretton Woods after World War II. You know, the reserve currency of the world is the dollar. But it's mainly because it's the petrodollar. It's the currency of exchange and trading in oil and commodities and everything else.

So this is all extremely complicated. You release this information that we're not, not only are we not alone in the universe, but we've already figured out how they operate. And I will tell you right now, the extraterrestrial issue part of this is nowhere near as sensitive a secret as the part that deals with the technologies that we have, humans have, in the hands of people who are misusing them and are withholding the beneficial ones from humanity and from the planet. That is a much bigger secret. So far when I asked you, you know, Barry Goldwater, you know, he's there, but he's not has Bobby Ray Inman. Okay, so Bobby Ray Inman has more

influence than he does. Oh, way more. Then I went to President Clinton, and you said, no, George H.W. Bush, Sr. has more influence than he does. Great. He's passed away. He's passed away. Dead. Then I asked you about Kissinger. Then you said Dick Cheney was more powerful than Sr. OK. Then I asked you Kissinger. You said, no, Kissinger was more in that community

of that influence. And very global with it. For sure. I mean, yeah. And he had a very interesting reputation. Fascinating guy to study, by the way. Some of the things he said. He said, the illegal we can do fast,

the unconstitutional takes a while. He said something like that. He did. It's actually in our archive, that quote. Yeah, no, he said, yeah, the illegal we can do immediately. Yeah, no problem. Yeah, unconstitutional takes a little longer. Interesting guy. Very interesting guy. Womanizer, Playboy, liked at one point, sexiest man,

I think in 1972, all this stuff that you read about him. Interesting guy. Okay. So then go up above that. Who do you know that you will put even above Kissinger from the last 70 years that we would know about? A name you would know. Right off the top of my head, I can't think of one. Certainly, you know, some of the corporate folks that nobody would think of. Tillerson?

Would be very powerful. You know, Jack Welch of General Electric. Jack Welch you would put ahead of? Very high up. Now, at a certain point, you know, it's not a pecking order. They collaborate. I think what I understand, that committee collaborates and it sort of squabbles. But, you know, when I was first told about it, you know, back in the early days, you used to talk about there are these documents that got released called the Majestic 12, MJ-12. Nobody knows if they're authentic or not. I think they are largely authentic.

But what's not in dispute is this NRO document from the 90s and one of the compartment operations is Maji or man or sometimes you'll see Majic and stands for the majority Joint Intelligence Committee And that is the group that is a joint entity It on the US end of this that deals with this subject and that is in the document you can pull it up It's the National Reconnaissance Office document Nellis Air Force Base 1991 so pull up majestic 12 Rob. I just want to is this majestic 12 also known as magic 12 is a purport Perpetuation UFO conspiracy theorist the organization's claim to be the code name of an alleged secret committee of scientists, military leaders, and government officials formed in 1947 by an executive order

by President Harry Truman to facilitate recovery investigation of alien spaceships, spacecrafts. The concept originated in a series of supposedly leaked secret government documents first circulated by ufologists in 1984. Upon examination, the Federal Bureau FBI declared the documents to be complete bogus, and many ufologists considered them to be elaborate hoax. Majestic 12 remains popular amongst some UFO conspiracy theories, and the concept has appeared in popular culture,

including television, film, and literature. Here's what I think actually happened. If you want to hide something, you hide it in plain sight. So a great deal of information in those documents is true, but the way they came about was a hoax. So if you're involved with counterintelligence and information is coming out, you want to divert people to something that's the provenance is going to be a problem and that way it takes them down. The National Security Agency guy described it to me this way he was the right hand to General Odom back in the day who was the director of the NSA and he said we call this a DDT operation. You set up a decoy

you distract people and then you trash them. And so by releasing things that are questionable provenance, then it can, you sort of put it out there and much of the information may be correct, but because the provenance is bogus, it takes the information down with it. So one of the things that's very complicated is understanding how counterintelligence and disinformation works on this. It's Byzantine, it's complicated, it takes a lot to unravel it. And that's why I tend to be very careful with both witnesses and documents if I don't have a good provenance for it.

That is something that's hard to do when you're trying to run an operation like we do without any, you know, real clearance. I mean, you have to rely on people and their credibility and what documentation they can prove. I think what's most important, the reason I'm releasing this archive, is that if you go through it carefully, you see where the dots all connect. But these intelligence briefings we're working on, the modules we call these intelligence modules, when those get put in, it's gonna connect all these dots. And that's a big undertaking that we're working on right now.

Jamie Dimon, where do you put him? Is Jamie Dimon a person all the way at the top or not really? I wouldn't know. I don't know anything about him. You don't know anything about Jamie? I have no information. What do you think about about him. You don't know anything about him? I have no information on him. What do you think about Elon Musk?

Is he like a Nikola Tesla? Is he a good guy in your eyes? Is he somebody that the establishment can't stand? Is he someone they can't control? Well, I think that certainly if he was inclined to research this end of it, he wouldn't be making a, I call it a fake Tesla. I mean, a real Tesla car wouldn't have to be plugged in.

It most certainly wouldn't have 900 and some pounds of lithium ion batteries. It would be an electromagnetic. You know, if you look at this archive, we have this whole account of this inventor named Floyd Sweet. He had something the size a little bit bigger than a cigarette pack. This was back in the 80s, and we have all the documentation on this.

Huge files on it. It was running a 300 horsepower motor that could run your car. It never had to be plugged in. I think the battery started up with some very tiny Battery, you know and once that circuit started it was pulling energy out of What's called the quantum vacuum some people called the zero-point energy field? But let's describe what that is you see your your your tea glass there that mug. Mm-hmm The amount of potential energy in the space in that mug is enough energy to boil off all the oceans of the earth. It's been quantified. And that's called the zero

point energy field. So if you understand the physics of these very high voltage, VHV we call them, very high voltage systems, where it's certain, it may be a million, a millions of volts, but at very low power, but at certain cycles per second, certain frequencies, you can tap into that. It depends on what material you're using. To the average, explain zero point energy to the average person. Well, so visualize just the space around you and everything around you. If you get down to, by classic definition, it's the energy left after even all subatomic particles have been brought down to minus 270 some degrees Kelvin,

but there's still this energy field. That's the baseline energy field that all of matter, space, time, subatomic particles are fluxing in and out of. And interestingly, the early Lockheed man-made UFOs were called flux liners because they were tapping into that energy field, the quantum flux. So that's basically it. And it's huge.

I mean, I think Nikola Tesla called it the infinite energy field and professor Dirac and modestly called it the Dirac Sea but a scientist named Dr. Casimir, C-A-S-I-M-E-R, back in the 30s postulated this but then proved its existence in the 50s, another important date, and that's called the Casimir effect. The scientific information on that is also in this intelligence archive. So, you know, I wasn't even born when Professor Casimir proved the existence.

Now what's debated amongst scientists currently is that you can tap into it from a practical point of view. But you can, and the proof is, you know what the proof is? Look at one of those UFOs moving. No jets, no rockets, no internal combustion engines, no nuclear, no heat signature. In fact, when you get those things operational, temperature actually goes down. If you're in a hangar with two or three of these things hovering, like we have the pictures in our archive of what's called the ARB there at the Norton Air Force Base in 1988. It actually is like an air conditioning. It cooled it

down. So not only do you not have heat coming off of it, it actually pulls temperature down somewhat. And so there's so many applications of these sciences. I mean, think about it. It'd be free energy, refrigeration, cooling server forms, farms, if you're concerned about climate change for whatever reason. But even people who don't think there's climate change due to pollution, there's five plus million people a year die from particles from emissions, coal and gas and oil and that dimension radiation

causing cancer from nuclear and all that would be replaced see I mean all that's gone now that's the good news the bad news is you're stepping on the toes of hundreds of trillions of dollars in assets not just a market cap of these big corporations but the commodities think of what's traded on the Chicago Board of Trade, you know, just in futures and commodity training. It's trillions. So all of that, you know, you're not trading commodities anymore. I'm surprised you don't, you're not studying much of Jamie Dimon or Larry Fink or BlackRock or some of these guys, because who is funding all these programs? Where are they getting the money from? Oh yeah, well Goldman Sachs and BlackRock

definitely have involvement with these operations. And the more current people who are involved, the more it's shadowy. But when people get older or pass away, then they start talking. Let me give you a great example. After World War II, at the end of the war, there was a man named Paul Mellon, who was the Mellon Carnegie, the Mellon family, one of the few billionaires in the world in World

War II. His grandson has worked with me, who was also Senator John Warner's son. And Senator John Warner was like a lower level operative on this uh... majority yes uh... and so palm allen he went over the and at the end of world war two with general patten

and alan dullis and they confiscated this disk that was an early attempt to make an electromagnetic anti-gravity thing. It wasn't fully operational, but they brought it back to the United States. And how do we know this? Because towards the end of his life, Paul Mellon, who was very instrumental with Alan Dulles in forming the CIA and all that stuff,

remember that OSS became the CIA, the OSS during World War II. And when he was getting older, he had had a couple martinis and told his grandson, John Warner IV, that in fact he had gone over there and brought this thing back and that it was not when the jet rocket thrusters, it was electromagnetic and anti-gravity. And so, I mean, we're talking now, the end of World War II in Germany in 1945. So that is something, what you find is that as some of these folks get older,

before they meet their maker, as it were, they start telling things to me or to other family members who didn't share it. So that's a pattern that in terms of, you know, I have debriefed, you know, if you look at this list, there's 760 whistleblowers and witnesses, but I've met with more. Some of them I never quite get their name. There's probably over a thousand. But all the people on that list, I've debriefed.

I mean, over a thousand. But all the people on that list I've debriefed. I mean over 34 years. So I carry that in my head. Which is why I'm trying to put some of this down, you know, in case something happens to me. Which president have you had direct contact with you spoke to that is interested in this? I've never spoken directly with any of the presidents. Only people who've been on their cabinet or people who have been like the CI director, people work with them. No, I've never met with any of them directly.

All of them have been asked to. Any of the recent, who's the most recent, most powerful people you've spoken to that's reached out to you? Oh, I think by far this former chairman of this Fortune 50 company. I mean, he's holding all the cards. Is he respected by a lot of people?

Is he somebody that has a reputation? Oh yes, he would be. Yeah, he very much would. He would be. So, okay, as a president, you get to campaign. You're done, okay, I'm gonna run for president 2024. I'm campaigning for human rights. I mean, we're gonna fix the border.

You know, we're gonna go, climate change is a number one issue and the economy is stupid and then we're going to focus on all this stuff, right? All these things that they say they're campaigning on. Okay, great. What's the riskiest thing to campaign on? Let me kind of give you a couple of them and you tell me. Okay, one.

Here's what my campaign is going to be. Why is it that only two countries in the world allow Big Pharma to advertise on TV? Us and New Zealand. Why are all the other countries not allowing that to happen? If you help me become president, day one executive order, Big Pharma will not be able to advertise on TV, just like cigarette and tobacco companies cannot. There's a lot of risk with that. You're going after a lot of strong people, right?

Number two, number two. You, you know, as your president, I think one of the things that you as a taxpayer are owed the truth. And I think this government in the recent years, we used to be an open source type of a country when Washington and all the guys ran it. Today, we are no longer open source.

If you help me become president, I'm going to release all the 6,000 patents in the Invention Secrecy Act of 1951 and I want to make sure you know all about it and it's going to help a lot of you guys. You're going to save money on electricity, you're going to save money on oil and cars are going to be able to run on this because it's going to help us with this and it's going to help us with pollution and we're no longer going to deal with, world violence, never, you help me, I'm gonna make sure all that becomes public, okay?

You help me become president, I'm gonna give the truth of what happened with CIA and I'm gonna release the last 15% of the information to know who assassinated John F. Kennedy. You help me become president, all of these things I'm going through. What is the riskiest one for your life that if you say you're gonna do do that, ain't nobody going to help you.

And it's the riskiest position to take. Well, I think in terms of your own personal security, it'd probably be this issue, the UFO and UAP issue. Why though? Why would that be? Because behind it is the whole center of power that was running the planet, the technology. Because if that comes out, all of it's coming out. Look, anybody with a grain of sense, if, and this is where we're getting really close, like when the Pentagon confirmed that that UAP that we chased off the coast of California was real and three-dimensional and not an artifact or a

Misperception broad daylight What they admitted to without saying it is that there's there's something that's there That's three-dimensional and real that is absolutely defined the aerodynamics and energy of anything known by the public. Now not known to man, and certainly not known to these clandestine programs. So going into that, then you're also,

here's the other big risk. The only reason this could have been kept secret is that the big corporate media, left, right, center, all of it is corrupt. I have got, there's a whole section in here about- You'll convince all of it is corrupt. Absolutely corrupt. And the proof of it is, why would they, given what we've already put on the street and had

press conferences around, and right here, 122 named whistleblowers. Why isn't that being covered by Fox, CNN, MSNBC, New York Times, Washington Post? So if you go in here, you'll see that on certain issues, the media is actually the most culpable for the secrecy. Because the fourth estate Which is what the media is called and you know is supposed to be a watchdog against these excesses of the government And and abuses of power and we're talking the biggest abuse of power in my lifetime and certainly in the last 70 to 80 years

and Why wouldn't there be investigations on that? So let me tell you a little story. It's apocryphal But Mike Wallace was a famous Reporter for 60 minutes on CBS a good friend of his name of Bob Schwartz was on the board of time life knew him very well and I was at a meeting in New York back in the 90s and life, knew him very well. And I was at a meeting in New York back in the 90s. And Mr. Schwartz told me about how Mike Wallace had gotten some government documents from a source about the UFO issue. And he said, this is the biggest story in history. This is the biggest secret in US history. And he was going to do a 16-minute special on it. At the time, Westinghouse, a defense contractor, owned CBS. And basically, from the top, Mike Wallace was told, you'll do no such thing.

And he went into a very deep depression. In fact, he went on Larry King and admitted he'd become suicidal because he realized he was a fraud. He used that word. Now, he didn't tell this part of the story. His friend Schwartz told me at a salon, you know in New York, I think He told Larry Kinky thinks he's a fraud Mike Wallace did you can go find that thing? He says I you know, why were you guys well, I just thought I was a fraud and it so somewhere in there now I saw that episode and

What what Bob Schwartz said Robert Schwartz said look he was so devastated because he thought here we are the premier investigative journalist we take on anything he had never been told he couldn't do a story he was not allowed to do this story he was flat-out stood down sat down hard and said no you will not now I have dealt with many media people very high up, and they've had the same thing happen to them. There was a guy named Ira Rosen, who was the executive producer of 2020 in Prime Time Live.

And after the first National Press Club event that we did in 2001, May, it was 23 years ago, he approached me and he wanted to have this first sort of tranche of whistleblowers and witnesses come forward. So he came out to my home, my farm in Virginia, near University of Virginia. And I gave him 35 digital hours of summaries of these testimony and hundreds of pages

of government documents. He says, if this is true, this is the biggest story ever in US history. I say, yeah, it is. So he, I said, but I don't think they're gonna let you do it. He says, oh, I'm the executive producer of this and that he had been with, by the way, 60 minutes. And I think he's back there now, I'm not sure.

Anyway, this is a long time ago, 20-something years ago. And he's, I said, Ira, I don't think they're going to let you. A couple weeks later, he calls me up. He says, well, Dr. Greer, you're right. They won't let me do this story. I said, well, Ira, who are they? And he says, Dr. Greer, you know who they are. And so we stayed in touch for a few years.

Now, I can tell you account after account after account like that. So when you get really close to truth now if you cover nonsense Or something that's disinformation or you know, I was attacked by an alien and raped and have babies floating around alpha centauri They'll cover that. I mean the media will be happy to cover nonsense But when you have hard evidence interesting they're not going to cover it and I don't care how high you are, you think you are, in that food chain in the media. I challenge anyone listening to do that. Now look what happened to Tucker Carlson.

I don't know if you know who Tucker Carlson is. He was on Fox. I was on his show a month ago. Oh, okay. Yeah. I'd like to be on it. But see, he got gaslit. He had a whole bunch of disinformation people come to him

and provided him with enormous amount of false information. And so one of the problems is, a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing on this issue. And it's very easy for someone with a limited amount of access and information to have people come in and steer them in the direction of the aliens are eating us for lunch and taking our babies right that whole rubbish and but that is really the stock and trade so if you move in that direction doors will open if you

actually start putting out the truth every door will close same thing with Hollywood you know I had Arnold Coul, who was a huge billion dollar producer back in the 90s. And you'll see in the archive, 1997, I did a congressional briefing offsite with the first early gathering, or the second early gathering of whistleblowers. The first gathering was 1995 at a Sylamore in California. This was 97 in DC, but at the

Georgetown Weston and so members of Congress came and Dan Burton who was chairman of oversight came and and You know this was all you know, they're really people really were very interested in hearing this is not public it was in in the news and What I found was one of the men who came, he was gonna tell the members of Congress that next day, we had a day first where we met, about having been on an inter-agency committee back in the 70s, where they could hit a button basically and stage an alien attack on the planet and all that and

that all that had been in place before he got there and I think it was 73 or 4. That night some guys that he had worked with came to the hotel took him from his hotel room to a secure site out in Virginia until those briefings for members of Congress was over. Now some of the raw footage of that meeting is in this archive now. I mean it was old hi-8 or VHS tape, it is not cinematic, it's not a production, but it's interesting, very interesting. Ever since you released this, has anybody weird reached out to you? Mm-hmm. Well, people weird reach out to me all the time. I'm talking threats.

I'm talking we're going to release this thing you did 22 years ago. Oh, sure. Stuff like that. I mean, that happens all the time. I just ignore it. What's good with the folks who are around me now, they monitor what's going on around me. One of your friends before we came in here asked me this, and I said, nothing like that's

going to happen and not be known. And so now that there's a SAP stood up to literally arrest and create a criminal case against someone who pulls those kind of illegal operating, you can't threaten. I mean, if you threaten someone, that is in itself a crime, right? Yeah, but I mean, they do it all the time. But they do it all the time. A regular Tuesday for them.

Yeah, but now this will be trapped. If, oh, with this thing that you have. That's just starting June 20th. I'm really curious, you know, what the level of credibility and protection will be. Well, we'll see. I mean... Yeah, exactly. I trust the director of the team that's liaisoning. This three-letter organization?

The group, yeah. And we've spent a lot of time. Are they three letter or no? Whatever, I mean, there are only so many three letter agencies that we're not going to. So we know that. But it has domestic authority. So, and. Are they powerful?

Are they powerful enough where they carry weight? Well, here's the Kelly's Hill with that. It's a SAP, a special access project. And by definition, it's top secret. It's compartmented. So it's operating under the authority of its immediate supervisor. But it wouldn't go up to the director of that agency.

Who do they report to? Independent, because it's a SAP. Yeah, that's right. It's closed. So they hold their own clearance and but they've been authorized, their group has been authorized, to take these people put protection and monitor. Let me ask you, is it kind of like an independent PMC except it's an independent CIA version of what a PMC is. No, I mean it can't be independent totally, but the way compartmented operations are, it's on a need-to-know basis.

But they have access to governmental information or no? Oh yeah, and also monitoring. Who gives them permission to do that? For the people who've authorized and formed the SAP. And where it goes beyond that I don don't know because these remember it the idea that let's say you're the director of the CIA You're not signing off on all the thousands of compartmented saps and operations. In fact They told me

Woolsey told me to barely knows what's going on. I know, Woolsey said he knew nothing. He said they kept things away from him. That's what he told me. That's what they all say. That's not what Comey said. You know, Comey, you know, Comey... Well, they're not lying about that because this thing is so huge.

Here's one of the problems that Eisenhower warned about, he's right, is that this is like a multi-headed monster that's gotten created, and it's so big, and it's so out of control. And if you think members of Congress are overseeing these things, or the president, not just this president, any president, I'm very nonpartisan, I have to be,

or the National Security Council, you're mistaken. And they're dealing with so many conventional issues that this issue, because they don't know about it They say go out well see X files. It's a joke. It's nonsense Now there are there are good people in Congress now I would say Mark Warner and Rubio and Jill LeBran and the co-chair of Armed Services and Burchette Luna

Moskowitz who's here. I mean, Moskowitz is very interested. I've spoken with him. He's your representative for Fort Lauderdale, part of this area. And they're sincerely wanting to get to the bottom. The problem is they have no dedicated staff or funding. And one of the bad news things I want to report today is a few weeks ago I met with members

of House oversight and they were aiming to get subpoena power and a select committee that was funded because you need a staff of a couple dozen people just unpack 10% of this archive I have and really then start an investigation properly they don't have that so when So when I meet with their staffers, you know, like one of them who is the most senior guy for Senate intelligence, he says, I've been told I can spend 10% of my time on this. He ended up spending 50%. There was a huge burden and he's the one who said, look, can you give me what you have? I said yes. And the genesis of the archive, by the way, ironically, was that they were supposed to put funding in place. So there'd be a couple dozen

people going through my files and archives and information, digitizing them, which they were all in paper and file cabinets, and then going through intelligence analysis and unpack it. That never got funded. So over the last couple years I've spent about half a million dollars, personally, to get that done with some help and some donors with a skeleton crew of, you know, a couple people and some volunteers. So that's why the archive is still not fully organized yet. I'll admit it needs a lot of work, but I wanted to get it out there for the public as sort of a...

Let me ask this question on the nuclear side, right? You hear stories about a lot of times when the aliens show up is when we're in war or nuclear fears you know, fears and all this stuff and then you hear about the time where Eisenhower is on vacation and he steps away for a few days. Apparently, allegedly, he met with aliens because aliens said you give us the nuclear stuff, we're gonna give you some powerful technology. The world was so worried about it that even Associated Press reported that Eisenhower is dead. He died from, you know, cancer or heart attack.

They just made up some kind of a story, and he was alive all along. Now, some say that's a myth, some say that's true. No, I have a document from the Ministry of Defense of France. I want to hear it. Well, that's in here too. And there was a man who reported out about that meeting. It was at Muroc, M-U-R-O-C. It's sort of near where Edwards Air Force Base is now. It didn't exist at the time in 1956 or 7 when it happened. But yeah, that did happen. And you're spot on in bringing up this point that when we started detonating atomic and

then thermonuclear weapons, what people, everyone knows what an electromagnetic pulse is. What they don't know is that embedded in that is what's called a scalar pulse. And Nikola Tesla was one of the original researchers of scalar electromagnetic. And to make it simple, the light we're seeing or electromagnetic is a wave like this, like a sine wave. And it propagates at 186,000

miles per second. Scalar, or it's also called longitudinal, is a point and a line that goes out, boom, at multiples of speed of light, but if when it's done in an uncontrolled way, it rips the fabric of inter or transdimensional space-time, which disrupts extraterrestrial communications and transport systems. So when we detonated the first atomic bomb, boom, all of a sudden there were ET vehicles investigating everything we were doing on this planet. Because it wasn't just that we were on a path where we could kill ourselves,

we were disrupting other operations that are extraterrestrial. And very few people understand this. Now, there is an FBI document in the archive. I understand once we released that it became the most viewed document on the FBI website. Which one? And it was a memo from Guy Hottel, H-O-T-T-E-L, to J. Edgar Hoover from 1947 from Roswell, where we had those, it turned out,

three ET vehicles that went down. One wasn't found until 1950 or 51. And it's a memo where he said that apparently, yes, apparently the, we re-typed it because it's so old and hard to read in the 40s, that when they had a new quote radar system that when they switched it on, messed up the guidance systems of these ET vehicles, these disks that crashed. Well, remember radar is a euphemism for both a what you think of radar where you kind of paint the fuselage on it, you know, the beams that go out and bounce off an aircraft, metallic come back, and you track it. But they're also radar is used to track but then embedded in it can be an active system. And so what they had done, they had put a classified, by 47 they knew these ET craft were all around our nuclear facilities.

Roswell was the only nuclear bomb squadron in the world, or atomic bomb squadron technically. It wasn't nuclear yet. And thermonuclear, it was atomic, like Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But that was the only place on the earth, was the Roswell Army Air Base. And so they were trying to track and knock these things down, so that new radar that's mentioned here hit, and it caused, they embedded the scalar signal, and it really, these are all electromagnetic craft. They're guidance systems or propulsion.

So it's not like you're hitting them with a missile or a laser. It's these weird directional energy weapons that are a crossover into this scalar area. And to this day, you know, when I was over the black site in September, about a month before I got injured, there was these massive electromagnetic pulse generators, but they also have embedded in them. So you can target an object with that, hit it, but you also have the scaler, and that can cause these ET craft to get stunned

or lose control and crash. So some of the people I'm working with currently have been on those retrieval teams that are actively still doing that. In fact, one of the sites I went over, and I'll show you this video, that one or two ET craft per year are knocked down there. And it's very worrisome. The worst is that if a civilian aircraft goes in over that temporary flight restriction area, they knock it down. Let me ask you this, when we're talking... We're talking murder.

Yeah, no, I mean, listen, this is weird stuff. And that's still going on. That is still happening today, right now as we speak. The level of technology, okay, some of the stuff that we got, zero point energy, teleporting, like the concept of teleporting, is that something that's out of the ordinary? Is that currently, do we have access to it? How long have we had it?

Who invented it? Is it being used? What's the worry with that? Why are they not releasing it if they have access? There's a lot of questions with it, obviously. Well, all of it. I mean, they don't release it. They don't want anyone to know about it.

But if you look at the testimony of one of our witnesses, Fred Threadfeld, in 1953, he was at a Canadian Air Force base and they were experimenting with that so-called teleportation. And he said it was so funny, they were using, you know, everyone smoked back then, these big ashtrays and it would be, you know, an electromagnetic system here and the other in the base, another one. And this ashtray would go boom, teleport. Now you know, Einstein, when he said that same particle

could be in two places at once, he called it the spooky effect. But really what it is is what's called quantum entanglement, where every point in space and time is connected to the other. And if you look up quantum entanglement, that's what this is. But imagine doing that not just with a particle,

but with a whole object or spacecraft. So those experiments were going on also, 30s, 40s, 50s, but when they began to unpack and really have some of the most brilliant minds, I mean, I will tell you, the smartest people I've ever met, with certainly IQs north of mine, have been working on these projects in underground. So you're convinced teleportation is a real thing? Oh, it certainly can be done.

When you're reading it, it says teleportation is the theoretical transfer of matter or energy from one point to another without traversing the physical space between them. It is a common subject in science fiction, fantasy, literature, film, video games, and television. In some situations, teleporting is presented as time traveling across space to use of matter transmitters and science fiction originated at least as early as 19th century. An example, an early example of scientific teleportation is found in an 1897 novel to Venus in Five five seconds by Fred Jane Jane's protagonist is transported from a strange machinery containing gazebo on earth to planet Venus a common fictional device for Teleportation is a warm hole in video games the instant teleportation of a player character may be referred to as a

Warp, so if if that exists. Well, it does. I mean, how are you going to go from one star system to another? Just bear me with you a minute. If you're in 1% of the way through our galaxy, the Milky Way, is 1,000 light years, which at the speed of light, which you can't go, because as you accelerate the speed of light,

you become infinitely massive. So it would be a thousand years one way a thousand years another So in order to traverse enter to stellar space and this was concluded early on by the fact they were here And we downed some of them you have to do basically your bending space-time. So visualize this Like a piece of paper. I don't have one but you you know, you have a star system here and we're here. Instead of going in a straight line, even at enormous velocities, like our space shuttle and what have you, through these very high voltage electromagnetic systems

that also create gravitational waves, you can bend space-time. So the piece of paper does this. So the two points come right here. So you're actually, that's where you get into this whole non-locality in physics and quantum entanglement in an applied setting. So the fact that it's relegated to science fiction is fine. It doesn't mean that it isn't being done because it has to be. You're not going to be able to travel through interstellar distances in any way during any species lifespan without obliterating, as it were, linear space-time. And it doesn't mean you're not traversing, but you're moving

trans-dimensionally. So let's look at it from the point of view of, it's like a quantum hologram. You know, a hologram where like, if you had a hologram of Marilyn Monroe with her skirt, if you zoomed in on one little part of it, it would have the entirety of her image in it, and then zoom in again and zoom in. So when you're talking about a quantum,

sort of holographic view of the universe, which is a correct one, then you're not traveling in a straight line. And you're using, however, a whole new area of physics. And this is not going to be in your physics textbook or at MIT. It's in these classified areas. And that's why I tell people, I'd say some of the very smartest physicists and electromagnetic

engineers I've ever met work in these projects. And they're in, usually most of the time, they're in a deep underground military. I want to read this. In 1993, Bennett proposed that a quantum state of particle could be transferred to another distant particle without moving to particles at all. This is called quantum state teleportation. There are many following theoretical and experimental papers published. Researchers believe that quantum teleportation is the foundation of quantum calculation and

quantum communication. In 2008, M. Hoda proposed that it may be possible to teleport energy by exploiting quantum energy fluctuations of an entangled vacuum state of a quantum field. In 2023, zero-temperature quantum energy transportation was observed and recorded by Kazuki Ikeda for the first time across microscopic distances using IBM superconducting computers that are used by quantum computing? What? So it's already been done as being tested. Well it has but on this small level I'm just saying that when you when you cross into these let's call them these forbidden sciences right that are been highly classified.

I mean, you know, and they were standing on the shoulders of great people. Nikola Tesla discovered many of these, this phenomenon. There are others. I mentioned the B. Phil Brown effect with electro-gravity. So it was called electromagnetic-gravity, where certain voltages cause objects to float and change their structure. And I think it has more to do with the magnetic spin. I'm not a physicist, but from what I've studied and learned from people who worked on it,

that is what it's really doing. And it causes a magnetic field flux that alters the mass, the actual, not weight, but mass of an object. And then it can float and go up, you know, against gravity. And that's how, also, how you control. If you look at how these objects move, often they've been, like we had one case when I was in France, and we were doing what we call CE5 contact, which is when we When we attempt to make contact with these objects in these civilizations and the object was moving Over us at two hundred thousand

kilometers per hour was tracked by the French Ministry of Defense and An Admiral was there we were doing a demonstration for them. And it could make a right-hand turn or stop. Now if you were in a normal vehicle, if you were a pilot in a normal object, your brains would come out of your nose. The G-forces would kill you immediately. So we know that they're able to do that and also control for 1G. In other words, you're really in an electromagnetic space-time bubble when you're moving like that. And that technology, as I mentioned, began to be experimented with in the 20s and 30s,

but by the time the 40s came along and they started an earnest study in the extraterrestrial vehicles, it took a while. And also, it's not just energy and propulsion, it took a while. And also, it's not just energy and propulsion, it's specialized materials. I have the CEO of a corporation that was working on the skin of one of these, part of the craft, and it was such an unusual crystalline metallic material. And they spent many years and

figured out how to fabricate it. So some of the really specialized materials we have that we use have been sort of two or three steps removed, spun off from reverse engineering, studying extraterrestrial, not just energy and propulsion, but material science. So the material sciences are really interesting. And then the final one that's the big one is communication. Because the communication is, well, Elon Musk would love this with Neuralink, but it's non-local. So their communication systems involve the ability to interface with very well-designed electromagnetic systems that interface with the consciousness field and thought. So in other

words, you want to do something to your computer, you just think to it without a wire, without an implant. I can see that. But think of it. mean a thought what is thought you know we have these thoughts and it's like hey what dreams may come but you know you many people have had these sort of experiences where they've had an out of body or near death in my case I met my wife in a series of lucid dreams I think it's because I'm part Cherokee same here yep I met her that way I met her to to an 18-year-old. Yeah, we're gonna have our

45th anniversary in a couple months. So what's interesting is that think about a civilization so advanced that that aspect of thought and consciousness without wiring, without something at the speed of electromagnetic, can interface with a device. So in 1991, I wrote a paper, and it was about this, and it was called Consciousness-Assisted Technologies, but it goes the other way, where a technology can assist your own consciousness. So you hear about the CIA remote viewing programs, like Ingo Swan, who was a friend of mine I knew, where they were able to use consciousness to spy on the Soviet Union or what have you,

so-called psychic abilities. I mean, it's sort of a loaded term because it's so usually wacky, but that is real. And imagine a civilization so advanced that that innate ability is augmented, assisted, with technological systems. And the reverse, that their technological systems can interface directly. So when you hear many accounts of these ET's, you'll see they'll touch a console and think

to it and the craft moves and goes. So this is not... I'm Alexander Graham Bell using the speed of light electromagnetic. I think sometimes you're thinking about somebody and then boom, three seconds later you get that phone call. Sure. And that's happened, I don't know how many times, where it's happened, how did this happen? What gave you the signal that that was coming?

What gave you a signal that that was taking place? I couldn't pinpoint on what that is Oh, I do but but what is that what it is? Yeah, okay This is why this is beautiful this gets back into conscious quantum entanglement So the ultimate non local entangled field is the conscious mind itself You know earn Schrodinger who was one of the fathers of quantum mechanics and particle wave theory 1908 He said the total number of mechanics in particle wave theory in 1908, he said the total number of minds in the universe is one,

and that is a singularity. So the real singularity they're looking for is actually the consciousness field. So you and I are speaking right now, and you have your individual self and ego and personality, and I have mine, but we're both awake. And that awake field is a singularity. But we end up closing it off.

So if you open up, this is what meditation does. Meditation enables you to connect to that deep or transcendent aspect of consciousness that's actually omnipresent. It's everywhere. It's not limited by space and time, which is why people can have experiences of a lucid dream and see something in the future, or an intuition. And I, as a medical doctor, I mean, I'm not practicing now, and the nurses knew I used to be able to do this.

I would sense if someone had an occult or hidden cancer, and I would just enigmatically order a CAT scan when it didn't seem to be indicated, and it would be in there, because I could sense it and see it. So that's something we ought to teach all doctors, by the way, but someday we will. But this is an area that gets into

really controversial part of the work we do, and that is going beyond just sort of the material entanglement to, you know, how are these civilizations communicating? Well, it can't be like our cell phone at speed of light, and it's got to be something that is instantaneous. Well, it turns out through the consciousness field and thought, you actually can connect, bang, instantly, across a million light years of space,

which is really amazing to think about. Yes, it's a way, mind, thoughts, teleport, I don't know if you wanna use that word, could physical things teleport, could you? Yes. You know, at one point one would say, how am I gonna be able to email you to go from here to Australia within half a second?

How does that happen, right? What causes that to happen, right? You know, some of this stuff is way too advanced for the average person to be thinking about. This is why, you know, on specific topics like this webinar's conversation with you, well let me go to the next topic here. So ESG, right?

Environmental, social, governance. So important that even this net zero asset managers initiative, I don't know if you're familiar with it or not, they're talking about more than 315 signatories with the US dollar, $57 trillion in assets under management. The Net Zero Asset Managers Initiative is an international group of asset managers committed consistent with their fiduciary duty to their clients and beneficiaries to supporting the goal of net zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2050 or sooner in line with the global efforts to limit warning to one and a half degrees Celsius.

And to supporting investing aligned with net zero emission by 2050 or sooner, are these guys noble people or are they full of shit? Well, to be honest with you, I think many of them are well-meaning but uninformed. In other words, you're not gonna, I own the, I have the largest legal allowable solar farm in Virginia at my farm, because the state caps how big it can be. And when our power went out in a snowstorm,

we had no heat, we had nothing. It barely, I mean, this is a joke. You're not gonna run a planet with eight billion people with solar and wind. Now, with the zero point quantum vacuum, these sort of technologies that have been confiscated, patents have been confiscated, what we've been talking about, that would get us there very quickly.

So I think their aspirations may be, in fact, noble. But their methodology is fatally flawed, because they're not going to get there with any of the schemes that they're planning now. And that's the frustration here. Now, ironically, I was at a meeting in 2013 off the coast of Australia. It was a group of world muckety mucks. I was asked to give a keynote at this thing.

I think it was 120 people flown in on this island. And one of the people there was the head of the International, I think it was International Greenpeace Director. He was so hostile to what I was saying. Because I pointed out that the only way we're going to get to these solutions to clean up the oceans and the air and all this is to bring out these technologies.

And he wouldn't hear of anything except the orthodoxy of wind and solar. And I said, but, you know, have you actually run the numbers on that? You can't get there from here. With 8 billion people, you know, there's not enough energy density or reliability in wind and solar, plus wind doesn't blow all the time and the sun isn't up all the time and the battery storage needs are ludicrously huge. We have no ability to do that. So the solutions are going to have to come from the high-tech classified sector.

Good news to all your children and mine is that we have the solution. The bad news is a bunch of Nazis, and I use that word like petro-Nazi, true fascist ruthless people are keeping it secret. And I'll just put it on the table. And you're not going to get there by wishful thinking and holding hands and singing Kumbaya. You're going to have to do the heavy lift of getting these declassified. Now here's another solution. I've made an appeal, if there are people of high net worth, to put together a venture capital fund that would

be an angel fund to create an open source R&D lab on this kind of electromagnetic and physics. And I think with the information that we have, that probably in a couple of years, we would come out without the government declassifying anything, since most of the government doesn't have access, or these big corporations releasing it,

we could bring it out. And if you open sourced it in a multi-centered way, streamed it on the internet, the whole lab streamed, the instant you got your eureka moment, everyone who's an engineer or physicist would have the solution. There'd be no patent. There'd be no intellectual property restriction. That's what I've been proposing that we do. And honestly, if you're actually

wanting to spend a fraction, you know a millionth of a percent of what they're going to spend on this scheme You'd get to this solution probably in a couple of years. A question for you What do you think about Terrence Howard? Did you watch the podcast with him and Joe Rogan? I did not. You did not? So you don't see what things he was talking about? No, I didn't. There's a very viral interview Are you familiar with Billy Carson? Oh, yeah, I know him very well. What are your thoughts on Billy Carson? Oh, yeah, I think he's doing some good work. He's here locally. Last year, I got the Disclosure for Humanity Award from his organization.

Right. We had him on two days ago. I thought it was very interesting. Listen to him. Very interesting. Would you say you guys are very similar on some of the ideas and beliefs or what do you Well, I don't know. Okay. I didn't see that interview and honestly It sounds terrible. I don't have time. I don't look at other things much And it's it's in the I just am overwhelmed I mean, you know you take a like unpack a little bit of what I tell you we're doing You know with this huge family and flying all over the world and working

with all these covert things, I'm not sitting and looking at these things. I wish I could tell you. I had no, I appreciate that. I plead my ignorance and it's not the dismiss anyone. It's just, I don't have time. I want to wrap up on this. I think one of the things you said, um, when I was watching, you know, the, the lost century, right?

And at the end, you said you wanted to build a facility that's going to be open source 24-7. You're working on stuff and there's cameras for other people to see on whatever you're building, right? This whole concept of open source probably became more mainstream when Elon started talking about all our stuff is open source. Open source is a phrase that's been around for a long time, but he just kind of took it to a whole different level with a few hundred million followers. And I go, what is open source? Let me look into this.

Walk me through why your idea of open source and how that would protect both everyone, why that's a good idea, is it going to get others to look and see what if we can do it better, what if we can do it better? What are your thoughts on that? Well, see, that's the beauty of like crowd sourcing information. So let's say you're working on a system and you get stuck because you're having a problem rectifying the electromagnetic frequencies or whatever. If it's open source and it's streamed you have

Scientists all over the world there would be a specialist in there that could pipe in and say well try this right so you collapse timeframes Secondly, and this is more important if you do it secretively the minute you get that eureka moment the door is going to get kicked in the device is going to get confiscated and You're going to get a national security order on it, or you may get killed. Whereas if it's being streamed, and the old saying, the whole world's watching, that can't happen. And the other is that it can't be black-shelled.

If a corporation does it, I know people who become very wealthy by having an invention like that, and they say, well, hey, what's your price? Here's $50 million. Go buy a Lamborghini. And they're sold. And that corporation puts it on a black shelf. And never seen.

Or the patent office. In our archive, you'll see an interview. Shell did it, right? Shell bought one of the guys for $25 million, if I'm not mistaken. Oh, absolutely. Yes, it happens all the time. Since 1991, I've been dealing with inventors that keep having that happen.

The other is that if you go the patent route, there is a provision in the patent laws related to this secrecy act you talked about. And if you look at the interview we had with Dr. Paul Villone, who is a physicist who is in the patent office, he blew the whistle that they were doing this. And that, we have that. We have that interview with him. He ended up suing the patent office because he was terminated and fired and won a settlement, so he won't talk about it now.

You said Valone, Paul Valone? Yeah. How do you spell Valone? V-A-L-L-O-N-E. Got it. Dr. Paul Valone, he's a PhD physicist. So, yeah, we have all that information. So what I've tried to do is say, over the last 100 years, how has this gone sideways

when people have got these discoveries? And so the idea of doing this on live on the internet, streamed, backed up, multi-centered, but also where there's no intellectual property or patent attached to it. Basically you're squeezing the toothpaste out of the tube so fast no one can put it back in. And that I don't think would be so easily frustrated as say someone doing a stand-up startup company, and they're doing it secretively,

and it's like the next iPhone, we're gonna keep it under wraps. That's how you end up dead, or getting confiscated. And one of the things that I've found is people don't learn from history. Like if you study this history of these sort of incredible technologies and inventions, you'll see a

certain number of patterns. One of them is this, that people who try to do it, even with the best intentions, but are trying to monetize it at the front end and keep it a secret or a patent or a special sauce, it never gets out to the public and they never end up getting anything for it unless they take a bribe. Who was the guy you spoke to, the fellow where you said, look, I'm telling you, make it open source, leak it to everybody. No, no, no, I'm not going to do it. I'm pretending, boom, he was killed. Who was the guy? You talked about somebody on The Lost Century.

Well, I'm not sure in that film. There were several people that had that happen. And yeah, it's a tragedy. Was it Thomas Moret or no, not Moret? It was one of the ones you had a conversation with. I had to look at it. I've dealt with hundreds of these inventors over the years. Who don't want to give it up? Who don't want to make it up?

They make the same mistake over and over and over and over. Well, actually, one of the groups was the guys who bought all the Stan Meyer. He had a car that was running on water. And that was real back in the 90s, I believe. But he also, what everyone didn't know, he had a toroidal, a donut-shaped electromagnetic device. Yep. And you'll see a picture of this thing, because we were going to try to get that collection

Because he had died everyone thinks he was poisoned we don't know but he dropped dead suddenly and But there was a group that had a lot of funding from An offshore source who I know now But we didn't know who they were and they were they got all that material and they were studying it, basically reverse engineering, Stan Meyer's inventions, including this electromagnetic, it was like a donut-shaped object that was free energy. And it had a national security order on it

from way back then, I think from the 80s. And when they got it operational, they were sabotaged. They were a death threat. So I got a call from their big funder, Lord So-and-so, I'm not going to say it on the air because I've kept this confidential, who was providing all the money. And I said, well, I told them, if you do this secretly, when you hit that eureka moment, it works. You're going to run into the mother of all buzz solves. And they did.

And he says, well, watch what I do. I said, you need to have them open source this, dump it on the internet immediately into me, and I'll see that it gets to millions of people. They wouldn't do it. They still thought they could keep it secret. They were going to go to another country. I said, dude,, you're gonna have to go to another damn planet, right? Protect yourself. So and the next thing I heard I think it was more than a dozen of them were killed and all that technique everything vanished and

That wasn't that long ago. That was just a few years ago. And you know, I've seen this happen too often So everyone who gets Dollar signs in their eyes. I'm gonna be the next Rockefeller of energy Yeah, well, here's what's gonna happen before that occurs Murder incorporated is gonna kick your door in and kick your ass or you know, you'll offer to buy you out But you're not gonna benefit humanity or the earth I think it's sort of like when the DARPA, the Defense Advanced Research Project Administration, started the internet. It was them, not Al Gore. And Al Gore claimed he invented the internet. But the truth is DARPA, it's open source

and it's spun off thousands of companies, including some that are trillion dollar companies. I think that if a group did this, as angel funders, they would be able to get it out there and it would spawn a whole new economy. Imagine what could happen in Africa, South America, and India, impoverished areas. You would have such a huge uplift in humanity and the economy.

Now, as that goes up, there are gonna be some people who will go the other way, just like royal typewriters didn't adapt to the internet age and computers and so they went the way of all flesh. If you made horse carriages and you didn't adapt to the automobile you went bankrupt. So you know at a certain point that's just the way technology has to evolve. So the secrecy around all this it's it's time for it to end and that's how it's gonna happen. It isn't gonna happen. Open source model. So you have to be willing to do it for civilization and your kids and family

and others instead of your pocketbook. Yeah, but on the second order, now let's remember, if you did it open source, it doesn't mean you can't then productize it, create products secondarily. Now there'll be a lot of people doing that, but it's like the first Xerox machine was still the first Xerox machine, even if it eventually got copied and imitated. And let's not forget, in this climate globally, I don't care if you patent it or keep it secret, the first thing that's gonna happen

is in China and other countries, they're gonna study it, reverse engineer it, come out with Generation 2, and they're not gonna care about your patent or your intellectual problem Even in America that we just saw what even an FTC non-compete laws. They just change right now. That's getting effect in August that they're doing that right That's just a given. Yeah, so I tell people About this you need to be smart about it because if you don't learn from history

you're gonna repeat it and repeat it and repeat it and that's As I say, it's a definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result So I think this this is a fresh approach. It's controversial because most people I've met of high net worth They want to keep it secret. They want to monetize it. They you know, it's like, yeah, dude, you've already got a billion Do you care? I mean, you know at it's like, dude, you've already got a billion, do you care? I mean, you know, at a certain point, I mean, I'm a retired doctor, I'm comfortable, but you know, I can't fund something like that.

But I'm always astonished at how myopic a lot of folks are about this. Have you ever had a meeting with Elon Musk or no? Have you guys ever had a conversation? No, no, I haven't. Okay. Yeah, I don't know him personally. Interesting. Yeah. I have a friend who does.

Have you, you've never been on Tucker? You guys have never had any conversation? No, I think he reached, it just hasn't happened. I would love to. Yeah. Yeah. No, hook us up. I mean, I think he's been on the right path

on some things on this issue. And then I think he got gas lit and diverted. I mean, I'm being honest with you. Yeah. I think he got gas-lit and diverted. I mean, I'm being honest with you. Yeah. I think his level of curiosity and willingness to seek the truth and challenge the status quo and have the I don't give a attitude is going to both get him in trouble as well as get us closer to the truth

Yes, and I think that's a very honorable position to be in risky Because you risk not being liked and hated and you know defame and defamation all this other stuff that comes with it But hey, i've had it but the other thing is I said this earlier a little knowledge is a dangerous thing with this issue because I think out in the public there's nine parts disinformation and fake stuff and one maybe one part real and so I mean the reason the chief folks for the Senate Intelligence Committee have asked me to come in, is because they know that I actually have information.

And so I think journalists like Mr. Carlson or others, if they're really gonna look into this, need to look into it properly and avail themselves of experts. And I always tell people, not me so much as what we've collected, but I can articulate that. But I just think it's very important for people to understand this is not like anything else. If you take for the top secret document from Canada for 1950, one of the things that said black and

white, this issue is the most secret subject in the entire US government, exceeding the secrecy of the detonation of the first hydrogen bomb, when they were working on the hydrogen bomb. That was 1950, 52, we detonated it. Imagine anything more secret than the ultimate doomsday weapon, and what kind of counterintelligence and disinformation has been pushed out to the public to

gasoline people and divert them. So I think people have to take that document seriously and say well what has been done. Yeah. And that's been my huge challenge is to sift the truth from the fiction to the best I can. Rob, let's put the link below on chat when it goes live on Spotify, on Apple. Can you say the domain so even some of the people that just listen to the audio, they know how to go find it? If you can give the domain. If you want to find it, go to drstevengreer.com and from there you can go to it.

Okay, fantastic. So that's the easy way to go to it. And also, just a little appeal. Two things. Next in July, we're going to have a gathering in California in Temecula that if people want a webinar with that, they're going to learn a whole lot more about all this, including the CE5 contact. There's an app for CE5 contact you can get. We're also crowdfunding the archive because it's going to cost us six digits a year.

And the only way we're going to keep us six digits a year and the only way we're going to keep it free, we don't have a paywall up, we're keeping it free. But the only way to keep it free is that people contribute. So we're asking for people. What do they do? On your website? Yes. Okay. It says donate right there at the top. I see it. Fantastic. Last time we did it was four years ago. I'm hoping the next time we do it, it's not four years from now. Yeah, let's do that. I agree. I really enjoyed it. I appreciate you. Appreciate your work.

I had never heard about InVision Secrecy Act until I watched your documentary, and I'm so curious about it. I want to know what's behind it. There's a high level of curiosity, and I highly recommend everybody, if you don't go to his website, go watch the documentary, The Lost Century, and you'll see what it's gonna do to you when you start thinking about some of these clips This is a podcast this documentary actually shows these people that had the inventions and what happened to their lives I think it's very very important for everybody around the world to watch this dr. Steven Greer. Thank you so much for coming out This was fantastic. I appreciate it. I appreciate you. Take care everybody