PBD Podcast - "This Was A Bad Idea" – Andrew Callaghan’s WILD Coverage Of BLM Riots, COVID Protests & Border Chaos | PBD Podcast | Ep. 580

Episode Date: April 24, 2025

Patrick Bet-David sits down with Andrew Callaghan of Channel 5 to discuss citizen journalism, censorship, Trump, homelessness, Scientology, and why Gen Z is turning anti-establishment. 📺 ANDREW CALLAGHAN'S YOUTUBE CHANNEL: https://bit.ly/42ri6S1 🎥 ANDREW CALLAGHAN'S NEW DOCUMENTARY: https://bit.ly/4jKIL1T------👕 THE LATEST VT MERCH: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BZbD6l⁠⁠🥤THE VT YETI COLLECTION: https://bit.ly/4iHfe8Q📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/41rtEV4⁠⁠📰 VTNEWS.AI: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3OExClZ⁠⁠🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2⁠⁠🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh⁠⁠🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A⁠⁠📱 CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC⁠⁠👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7⁠⁠🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw⁠⁠📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or⁠⁠💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time!ABOUT US:Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

Okay, flights on Air Canada. How about Prague? Ooh, Paris. Those gardens. Gardens. Um, Amsterdam. Tulip Festival. I see your festival and raise you a carnival in Venice. Or Bermuda has carnaval. Ooh, colorful. You want colorful. Thailand. Lantern Festival. Boom. Book it. Um, how did we get to Thailand from Prague?

Oh, right. Prague. Oh, boy. Choose from a world of destinations. If you can. Air Canada. Nice travels. It's funny, in the moment I wasn't nervous, but watching this now I'm nervous,

because I realized this was a bad idea. Ever have a moment where you were actually scared? Oh, all the time. What was the scariest one? I mean, personally, probably getting arrested by the border patrol. So you didn't pay the 5,000 to the coyote, but you paid the 10,000 to the guy who was behind you.

I probably should pay the coyote back. Yeah. You pay the coyote back. I'm thinking, holy s***, they stole this car. And then I look around, I look in the rear view mirror, and there's a cop trailing us. That was a classic example of just me taking it too far in the field of documentaries.

Even when you put this up, cops never got a hold of this. No, they might after this podcast though. I'm more scared of Scientology than any other subgroup in the world. Really? Do you have any interest? I have some friends I can introduce you to. I have an extreme interest in Scientology,

but I also have an interest in being alive. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. You ever seen this? Is it a breakdown of it? Oh dude, I love the fact that you're seeing this for the first time. Let's make a channel 5 video. I would do it. Oh I would love to see it. A lot of people would be upset with that. Channel bitch 5! 5 is the best number.

30 seconds. Did you ever think you would make it? I feel I'm so pleased that it tastes sweet. It's the least. I know this life meant for me Adam, what's your point? The future looks bright My handshake is better than anything I ever signed, right here You are a 101? The sun's right there

I think I've ever said this before How you doing? I'm good, thanks for having me It's great to be back in the country's greatest state. Greatest state? I think so. Really? Florida. And you're saying that you're living in LA? Yeah.

I've only lived in LA for a year and a half, but I think I might have a Floridian future. You do? You may have it. I like it. I like Key Biscayne. I like Orlando, Tallahassee, Jacksonville. But not south. It's okay.

I like Fort Lauderdale. Miami's a little bit overwhelming. Yeah, for me too. I don't know if I could do Miami. But the right place is Fort Lauderdale, in my opinion. Because if you wanna go to Miami to do something, you're 45 minutes away. You wanna go to Palm Beach, 45 minutes away.

Orlando 3, you can have lifestyle here, water, all the good stuff that comes with it, but that's interesting. We'll talk about the LA stuff. But let me tell you how I feel about you, okay? And it's very important because I have a 13-year-old son, Patrick, who has your personality, and he is extremely curious. He loves politics for whatever reason.

He's a jujitsu guy. And I think you're one of the most important voices for the younger audience, and here's why. Because I think you're one of the most important voices for the younger audience. And here's why. Because I think you're going through a journey which you kind of, you know, you have your own opinions and they're strong, but also you're developing it as you're going through the process

by actually going to the place. Instead of seeing what the news is telling us, you're like, nah, I wanna go see what you guys are doing. And you've been to what? You've been to Miami Beach during COVID, definitely, Old Block, Chicago, Philly Street, Kensington, the whole fentanyl place that you went to, San Francisco, George Floyd protest in Minneapolis, Chazz, which became this special thing during COVID and, you know, in Seattle. You swam across the Rio Grande, phenomenal, very impressive. Yeah, bad choice.

Anti-vaccine protests, you went to Israel and Tel Aviv for the protest, cock fighting in Mexico, Connecticut, Kia, you were in the car with the Kia boys. While they're stealing, you have a mask on, you're going with them. I mean, some crazy stuff you've done. And it's one of those shows that if you watch one episode guys you could get stuck watching two hours worth of content you do such a good job and you don't put your opinion in it you just ask what do you think what do you think how do you feel about this I just want to say great job on what you've

done with Channel 5 I think prior to that it was what all gas no breaks I have some some good news I'm actually reacquiring all gas no breaks oh no shit yeah we use a quarter of the proceeds from our new film Dear Kelly to make the acquisition of our first child, All Gas. So I'm gonna make that announcement probably in the coming days, but I'm gonna be in control of both Channel 5

and All Gas and the entire catalog. I love that. So for the audience that maybe doesn't know, backstory, how did you say, I'm gonna go out there and do this? How did this happen? Well, I had a really great teacher back in the day. I had a journalism course in high school

I had a teacher named Cal Shaw Calvin Shaw and he just inspired me to you know Pursue journalism as a career path for me The coolest thing about being a journalist is you get to be on the in the front row seats for all the things that you want To witness in the world whether it be a political event you get to dive into a subculture because everybody wants coverage Everybody wants to be heard and if you can be a medium for them to get their message out there, you can go wherever you'd like. Yeah, and today's marketplace as a citizen journalist, it's almost you have more credibility

than the actual journalist that's sitting in front of the camera speaking. You're like, no, I'm going to the street. I'm gonna go see what's exactly going on versus what you're seeing out there. And I think that's been a game changer, right? For a lot of people that have been doing this. Was there anybody else that was an inspiration for you?

Are you a 97 baby? Yeah, I was born in 1997, four years before 9-11, right when the internet first came around, the first iPod. So who was that person? Like, 97, YouTube starts in 03, 04, so when did you start consuming YouTube content? Oh man, YouTube content,

well probably as soon as I got on the internet, but I came online during like the chocolate rain, Charlie bit my finger, 4chan era. So the online subcultures are still being formed, but as far as like the first citizen journalists that I was into, I was mostly into comedians at first, like Sacha Baron Cohen, even early stuff like Kassem G was really good.

There was a really fringe show called Shams de Baron or Brushstrokes with Norman Van Ami that was like a graffiti adjacent interview show where this guy would go to art shows dressed as like a break dancer and kind of like pretend to be a high art customer. You know, high end art customer. And some of that stuff was just hilarious to me.

I didn't put the journalism pieces together until I went to college for it and I had that professor. Interesting. Well, I mean, Sach Sasha Baron Cohen to me is, dude, what he did with, what was that HBO? Was it HBO or Max where he goes to a couple rallies, he has this guy teaching him, he's an Israeli, he's gonna train him how to fight off gay men,

you know which one I'm talking about? Absolutely. Some of the stuff the guy did that he was convinced, he sits there, he says, so, you know, the what was it the alley G one, you know That's my favorite one when he says so I want to talk to you about you know, euthanasia He says yes. Have you seen this one where he says yeah, what about he says? Why is it always the youth in Asia? He says notes by euthanasia says but what I know, but why is it not other people? Why is the target only youth in Asia?

This guy is freaking hilarious, what he does. My favorite part of that show is when he goes to a city council meeting in Kingman, Arizona, which is a very hardcore biker town, and he proposes the construction of the largest mosque in North America, and they're like screaming, they're like, we don't want any fucking terrorists here.

That to me was like, the fact that he was able to keep a straight face during that character performance was unbelievable. Gotta love it. Okay, so, you know, for you, with the places that you visit, we got a lot of stuff that's going on right now that, you know, it's kind of timely with Luigi Mangione, the protest for that, and, you know, Tesla, Elon,

and, you know, United, there's a bunch of stuff that's going on, but let's start off with something very important that you and I were talking about things probably the most important issue That most people are not aware of and that is your favorite movie your favorite movie of all time is the Dark Knight the second Film in the Christopher Nolan Batman series and and why is it the second one? Well, everyone expects me to say that I'm in like really cutting-edge documentaries like by Adam Curtis and Errol Morris and stuff like that But I actually just love Batman and I loved it so much when it first came out in 2012 I saw it five times in a row in Ocean City, New Jersey every matinee up for a week straight just trying to

Really digest all the different subplots and narratives which character though. Like I mean, there's the Joker. There's Commissioner Gordon There's Chris Christian Bale's Batman character was amazing There's just so much Batman begins was a was a great segue to The Dark Knight. Dark Knight Rises didn't really do it for me. A little bit too political. But I like- Too political for you. Well, you know Dark Knight Rises was like a metaphor

for the Occupy Wall Street movement going too far. When they start, you know, when Bane is supposed to be like the commander of Antifa and they roll up in this New York Stock Exchange and start shooting people and stuff. Too divisive. Well, it was literally like, I feel like it was subsidized in some way by Wall Street.

Yeah, so, but character wise wise like who do you relate because for me for longest time my podcast set had three characters behind me Batman, Joker and the Incredible Hulk and it's like the three personalities I relate to right but which one was it where you said I kind of feel like I'm I'm this guy in this movie. Well this is a hard one to answer because if I say I'm like the Joker that makes me feel like I'm a dark sort of sinister. But I have a Joker side to me as well. You have a lot of vengeance in you where you get Joker brain? It's not though. It's when you see somebody that you know when you're you're you're sick and tired of being taken advantage of and you can't let go of the

you choose a wrong enemy can really destroy your life and I think that's what happened to him. He couldn't let it go. Yeah, but he's a hero to a lot of people as well. A lot of people followed his fire and the pain that he had. Yeah I would say that I'm somewhere in between Batman and the Joker. But I think that the Joker is definitely a relatable character more so in The Dark Knight than he was in the Joaquin Phoenix movie a couple years ago which I know you said you were not a fan of. Dude I walked out 43 minutes into the movie I go and I look at my wife we have 20 people at the movies.

Rob, were you with us or no when we watched the joke? No. So we're in a movie theater. I'm like, yeah, I'm out. Why? So this is divisive, man. You're pinning America against America. We don't need more of this.

And it's interesting because that movie, what ends up happening at the end of that movie? He kills, he ends up killing, is it Robert De Niro who is that, like the Johnny Carson character the movie Yeah, he kills he says how about another joke Murray and he kills him and that was after he killed a couple bankers on the subway After he kills a couple bankers on the subway and then that leads to one of the stories the Luigi Mangione story Yeah, well, here's a guy you got Luigi Mangione

You look at his background stud of a guy guy, you got Luigi Mangione, you look at his background, start of a guy, student, good grades, everything's looking good, minus the last 90 minutes he disappears, 90 days he disappears, but you can't really see what's happening there. And the people he followed on X, I was one of them, he followed some 74 people who were libertarian type of guys that he followed. So it's not like he followed only right or only left or only middle. He was open-minded is what he seemed like. And then all of a sudden the rage gets there to want to take out the United Healthcare CEO. How much when you hear that story, you went to the rally by the way, right? What did you hear people saying? Like what

were you noticing that caused people to go rally for this guy? Well, I mean, if the manifesto was legitimate, the one that was leaked, that was published by an independent reporter named Ken Clippenstein, if that's real, it seemed like Luigi Mangione had a lot of grievances against the health insurance claim denial system, particularly how UnitedHealthcare had implemented AI

to automatically deny people's healthcare claims. So people needed treatment, they were paying customers, and there was a machine that had one of the highest insurance claim denial rates of any other major health insurance company. 32, 33%. Something that was ridiculously high. Can you pull up that number up? People were trying to appeal the robot's decision,

and it was almost impossible. You were stuck with someone on the phone for days, and a lot of times during that window where people were waiting to get care, they would pass away. So I'm not sure if he had someone in his family who was affected by the health care policies. But I felt like a lot of people in my generation are kind of fed up with things not changing. You know, the cost of living being ridiculously high, the wages being really low.

And they felt like Luigi Mangione was something like a martyr who spoke for the rage of the collective public who feels like nothing is changing. So how should, what do you think is the level to go to? Because some people, what's the one girl lately that's been talking about Luigi Mangione in a very complimentary way? Tracy is a- Taylor Lorenz. Taylor Lorenz. Have you heard about Taylor Lorenz? Yeah, she helped us whenever we lost all gas during a contractual dispute, she leaked all the information which kind of like segued millions of fans to Channel 5. So shout out to her for that.

I'm not sure what she was saying about Luigi. But I think that basically probably what I'm assuming she was saying is that many people felt like he represented the call for direct action. And there's a generational shift to the idea that awareness culture and raising awareness doesn't actually create change. So there's a lot of people who... Say that one more time. There's kind of an idea that has persisted over the course of the past couple years,

especially with the progressive left in the US, that raising awareness doesn't do much to actually create change. And so for someone to break out of the mold of making people aware and actually take things a step further made people feel some type of revolutionary spirit. Wow. So even if it means killing the CEO. Well, because their logic is, you know, how many people have died as a result

of their healthcare claims being denied. Yeah. Health insurance claims, you know. So to you, to somebody that is going through this and you're touching and you're talking to people and you're hearing the arguments at the protest, walking away, what argument got for you to say, ah, it's a little too much?

And what argument was like, you know what, these guys may have a point in this area. Which one was it? Well, I mean, the reality is that regardless of how I felt about the opinions, killing a bunch of CEOs is not going to change any of that infrastructure in the health insurance industry. You know what I mean? That's not like- For sure, I agree with that. See, that was my concern with the movie Joker.

So here's your chance for me to be a hero. But the fact that it spurred conversations I thought was interesting. I mean, just it was fascinating to see such an, you know, the instant valorization of Luigi that happened overnight. Everyone's like, oh my God, this guy's so hot. We love him.

He's our hero. It was interesting because that was very much poisoned by the social media algorithms at the time you know where like Luigi Mangione becomes a hero to so many and In general, I think that it did spark some good conversations But I think you can acknowledge that while still saying it's not good to shoot people in the back of the head in the street Rob, what's that clip? By the way, you just had because I think that's the one where she breaks down her argument, right? Can you play this clip? I think she does a good job explaining why she's for

Luigi Mangione, and I don't think she's alone. I think there's a lot of people that are probably on her side as well. Go ahead, Rob. It's hilarious to see these millionaire media pundits on TV clutching their pearls about someone standing a murderer when this is this is the United States of America as if we don't lionize criminals as if we don't have, you know, we don't stan murderers of all sorts and we can give them Netflix shows. There's a huge disconnect between the narratives

and angles of sort of mainstream media pushes and what the American public feels. And you see that in moments like this. And I can tell you, I saw the biggest audience growth that I've ever seen because people were like oh somebody some journalist is actually speaking to the anger that we feel. The women who got our outside court in New York. So you're going to see women especially that feel like oh my God. Right. Like here's this man who who's a revolutionary who's who's revolutionary, who's famous, who's handsome, who's young, who's smart. He's a person that seems like this morally good man, which is hard to find.

Yeah, I just realized, women will literally date an assassin before they swipe right on me. That's where we are. I'm sure you wouldn't like to be coming to the scene. By the way, he's doing a pretty good job. I've been seeing his stuff the last two weeks and I think he's actually doing a pretty good job been seeing this stuff last two weeks And I think it's actually doing a pretty good. I don't know who he is, but yeah I think she broke it down quite well in terms of like the romantic appeal as well I mean you hear the stories who are some of the people that ladies would be lined up in prison just to kind of see him

Was Charles Manson who else was it wrong? Like people would be lined up on D. Yeah, the Menendez brothers who killed their parents in California One of them got married while they were behind bars Wow, I mean every serial killer has typically had like dozens if not hundreds of women writing them in in prison Why do you think that is? I don't think people were just fascinated by the allure of it when people's names are in the headlines like just someone's sort of Profile being that large just fame attracts a certain kind of person regardless And you know, she said something here, which is very interesting

and I was having this conversation with us Rob one day you and I, seven of us were at Casa D'Angelo and you even said this once when you were been interviewed with Vice I believe and I don't know what the guy asked you he said something about did you ever catch yourself you know creating content that the audience was reacting to or something like that I don't know what the context of it was, but you were kinda explaining that where she says, I've never had this many followers.

That's not necessarily a good thing. Because who is following you? Who is agreeing with you? Who is saying, man, I like what you have to say? And all of a sudden you're in the room with them, you're like, whoa, I don't relate to you guys. Where did you guys show up? And that's the thing about social media nowadays

in particular is people people kind of become, it's a very fine line to walk when you exist online is doing things that you believe in and doing things that you know your fans will appreciate and kind of want you to do. Because once you pigeonhole yourself as a certain type of person, you know your audience quite well.

You know that if you say a certain thing to the audience you've built up that they disagree with, that a lot of them are gonna walk away. For example, there's a lot of people both conservative and progressive who might have opinions about different things like abortion, homelessness, drug, gay marriage, Israel-Palestine, that they know that if they speak their

opinion on it, they might lose a significant percentage of their audience. And so I think that keeps a lot of people going in line with what they see as the majority consensus narrative, as opposed to finding a middle ground and having conversations. Because at the end of the day, everyone's trying to survive, too.

Imagine if someone like Alex Jones went on TV and said, I support a Palestinian two-state solution. A lot of people would be upset with that. But Alex has also not been the most agreeable guy in the Republican side. Every president has had a little bit on the conservative side. Nobody outside of Trump has been very close to him Most of the Republican presidents can't stand Alex Jones. Really you think George Bush likes Alex Jones? What is George Bush doing nowadays? No, but seriously do you think George Bush likes Alex Jones?

I mean, I don't know if George Bush knows who Alex Jones. No, I guarantee he knows who Alex Jones is I guarantee he knows who Alex Jones wasn. No, I guarantee you he knows who Alex Jones is. I guarantee he knows who Alex Jones is. Wasn't Alex like the first one that came out saying 9-11 is going to be happening and they're going to blame this and they're going to blame that. Isn't that, didn't he do something like that? Yeah, I mean he was he was warning of an impending terrorist attack, I think specifically on the World Trade Center like years and years before it happened. Right. Bear in mind that was after there were bombs detonated in the parking garage of the World Trade Center, I think it was in 1997 or 99. Yeah. So it makes sense, it wasn't like he was conjuring up that image from scratch, but it makes sense as to why George W. Bush doesn't like Alex Jones.

So I guess what I'm trying to say is when you use the example of Alex Jones, I don't know if Republicans side with Alex Jones outside of Trump. I guess what I'm trying to say is when you become a social media influencer on one political side of the aisle, it can disrupt your business and income if you decide to deviate from the norm of the consensus. So for you, when I watch you, you say, you know, I have left this, but I'm not really I don't want to be tied to a political side and I don't want to do this and I but I'm you know, kind of this, as you're going through all of these places and you know, you're living

your life and you're developing your own opinion, you're only 28, you're growing. 27. 27, 97 I'm doing a math, so you're going your own opinion. You're only 28. You're growing. 27. 27. I'm 97. I'm doing a math. So you're going to be 28. What month are you born?

I'm actually born on April 23rd. So that's coming right up. Well, that's right. We made a note of that. Your birthday is coming up. That's right. But happy early birthday to you, by the way. Thank you.

I appreciate it. Yeah. As you're going through this, would you consider yourself more of an anti-establishment person? Yeah. Anti-establishment? Yeah person anti-establishment like socially progressive, you know I think people should be able to do whatever they want to do and within reason be a socially progressive anti-establishment Definitely don't find any identity in either of the major political parties today. Yeah, and and to you and Alex Jones Would be a guy that is would you put him as an establishment guy or anti-establishment? Anti-establishment for sure, 100%.

So I think you and Alex are, obviously he claims, he makes claims, he says things, you don't do that, you just go get the content and say, hey, what do you think audience, make up your mind, this is up to you, right? You don't get up there and say, let me tell you what I think is going to be going on, that's not your brand. You're more going out there doing the journalism. But to me, he is, it's almost like whenever somebody isn't invited to the White House too often by president, they don't trust the guy fully.

The only guy that's given this guy the opportunity to come in is Trump. All the other guys weren't comfortable with him. As a young guy yourself, how do you feel about Trump? I mean, in what sense? I mean, okay, so you're in the streets, you're talking to everybody. Did you think he was gonna win or did you think, oh, there's no way this guy's gonna win? I definitely did not think that he was gonna win. Even till the last minute? I mean, I think I'm kind of in a bubble to a certain extent. I'm mostly

in like progressive major cities, so I didn't even realize that he was gonna win. But then after the assassination attempt, I knew he would win you know specifically when he pumped his fist and said fight I was like it's done there's nothing the Democrats can possibly do to take the trophy away from this guy but yeah and I would say in general like I'm not really like a Trump guy mostly I don't like the way that um that that political movement makes people treat each other you know just on like a day-to-day human human level like interpersonal interactions get really dark between the Trump crowd and their opposition Who do you think created that I just think that the showmanship of politics that's happened in the last

You know probably six to eight years. It's kind of like two football teams and it gets pretty gnarly out there I don't think people were fighting in the streets during the Obama and Romney election You don't think there was like a Romney Proud Boys, you know, you don't think it was Romney proud boys Okay, so let me ask you this. Do you think for a guy that's anti-establishment? Do you view Romney as an establishment guy an anti-establishment guy? I mean, I know he's part of the Utah establishment because he is a Mormon right which which is no disrespect to Mormons Actually really nice sure. Yeah, but I think so. Yeah for sure. He's like an RNC guy Did you do something with Mormons or no? No, I want to. Oh, it's kind of hard because if you portray them negatively

It's kind of like Scientology. It's like yeah, the Mormons have a lot of money to sue you Yeah, but Scientology will come after you in different ways I'm more scared of Scientology than any other subgroup in the world really yeah You know about fair gaming right their policy where they can like stalk you and harass you for years of course I'm very familiar with you CIA technology. I think you're having a schizophrenic break for sure they are Incredible at what they do I mean the guy's wife's been missing for how long David miss Gavage's wife's been missing for how many years now Surely is it Shelley or Shelley Shelley Shelley? Yeah, and it was there was like an LAPD checkup where they like reported that nothing was wrong I was like, what do you mean? Did you talk to her? They're like, we're not gonna say but like everything's fine. There's a guy in Los Angeles right now

He's one of those like a Second Amendment First Amendment audit like a cop watcher guys Yeah, his name is I think it's like science top stop Scientology LA He stands outside of the Church of Scientology on Hollywood Boulevard every single day live streaming for hours Physically like blocking the entry, getting people to not go inside and get a free auditing session. So he's single-handedly shut down their recruitment operation in Hollywood, one man. Yeah, she's apparently been missing since 07, okay?

Since 2007 she's been missing. Well, I think we know what happened. What's that? She's dead. You think so? Yeah, dude. Leah Romani, did you ever see the Lear? Am I saying her last incorrectly Shelley miscavige? No, no Leah remedy remedy

But you know who she is she didn't many no no she no she made a she wasn't going clear right that big That's right documentary about Scientology. Yeah, and she went out and she says well one time I went and I said so how is a Shelly doing and everybody looked at me Saying hey, you don't ask a question like that And it's like well, I'm just asking a basic question. She's a friend of mine You don't ask a question like that and then she's like that's when I realized some's weird over here Yeah, so you think she's been dead in 07. So let me ask you if that's the case. What is the protocol? What are they supposed to do is the government supposed to investigate or are we one day going to sit there and say, Shelly Miscavige is 173 years old, been missing since

2007. Like you know what I'm saying? Like, when does it get to a point that the government says I want to investigate what really happened to her? Has there ever been one rap? Has the US government or the PD ever investigated to find out what happened to her? You just went after Scientology. Another crazy fact too is that David Miscavige, their leader, has never done an interview. He's only ever been docu- Wait, with who?

One interview he did. You've never seen this? No, I gotta find it. You have to watch this. Are you, you're saying, you're in the space, so maybe- I've only seen him portrayed by Scientology media. He's done one interview his entire life. Yeah, I'm right, with Ted Kappel. By the way, if you've never seen him portrayed by Scientology Media. He's done one interview his entire life. Yeah, I'm right, with Ted Koppel.

By the way, if you've never seen this. Okay, thank you for the fact check on this. 1992. You have to watch this. So it's been over 30 years since his last appearance. And let me tell you, the way he interviews, the way this guy interviews with Ted Koppel is unbelievable.

And if you watch him, you know whose mannerisms you'll pick up? Okay, I want you to watch this and tell me what actor's mannerism do you pick up? Go ahead, Rob, just press play. Watch this. I feel perfectly comfortable with my life. I like my job, I'm happy with my family,

I love my wife, I'm healthy, I'm perfectly content, that's why I'm asking you. What is it you can do for me? Well, number one, I would never try to talk you into that Scientology is for you You see that's the funny thing about this as if I'm now gonna give a time to you on Scientology believe me right? Scientology is valuable enough that it doesn't require any sales space, but let's look at it this way then what Scientology does You look out across the world today only interviewers ever done say that you take a person who's healthy composite Whatever you do watch this when you're out of here yeah I can't wait will be blown away by this guy's interview we've tried to have him on many many times

have you talked to the guy have you gotten to the stage of like him considering doing an interview no but we spoke to his camp because we've had a few people on one guy who left the organization and we had a couple other guys, Mike Rinder, who, what is his relation to David Miscavige? He was one of the highest ranking guys there, right? The senior executive of the church, international, and he ran the Sea Organization, which is like the place to be. Yes, that's, for those unfamiliar, that's the top organization in the hierarchy of Scientology. And if you buy your way into the Sea Org, there's an annual cruise that you get to go on,

and that is sort of the top tier. I don't know how much you have to spend to get into Sea Org, but once you're there, you're in. I don't know what the benefits are of that. Do you have any interests? I have some friends I can introduce you to. I have an extreme interest in Scientology, but I also have an interest in being alive. So you don't want to be a member? No, I mean, holy shit, can you imagine having those guys against you? Yeah, but imagine if you have them with you.

That's even the one I'm gonna lose all credibility. It would be like Andrew Callahan, imagine if you were part of organization and we had your back, you would never have to worry about anything. Does that sound appealing to you? It does, but what sounds more appealing is staying away from them or being a liaison

between Scientology and the public. Like David Miscavige is like, you know what? Shelly's actually at my apartment here in Florida. Come meet her. Come meet her, do an interview, let's make a Channel 5 video. I would do it. Oh, I would love to see it.

I'd love to see it. I'd love for you to go and just talk to her. You know what else would be interesting for you to do? Many, many years ago when I was an atheist I would go to churches in LA and I would just go want to talk to everybody about whatever they believed in I'd go to LDS and I'm so tell me about this Gordon B Hinckley tell me about this, you know Joseph Smith tell me what happened with you know, Vermont when he found these

These plates and he moved to you moved to these states and every time you guys moved, you got kicked out until you got to Utah. What happened there? Tell me about this. I would go to Scientology church and I would say, what do you believe in? Who's God? Who's this? Whoever you believe in, who do you believe in?

And it was always such an incredible method of communicating with you, which is so impressive. If you notice one thing about Scientologists, you know what they definitely can do better than mostly other religions? They're incredible communicators. John Travolta, Scientology. Tom Cruise, Scientology. Just look at the way David Miscavige speaks. He speaks better than most preachers speak.

The way they teach their guys, I had an office one time where 70 agents in the office were all Scientologists, I loved working with them. Yeah, they're kind of like toast masters, intergalactic. On steroids and growth hormone and they hang out with Gary Brekhoff all the time to have a health. Yeah. Like they're at that level.

But one thing I know they do is whenever they do the auditing sessions and they ask you to like, you know, recall a traumatic memory or something that's sitting in your subconscious, I know that they record that session so they can hold whatever you're saying as blackmail to leverage against you in the future. I do believe that Scientology is sort of a massive for-profit blackmail operation that has its deeply entrenched in Hollywood and the police departments of Southern California. Interesting. Because I mean, what is the purpose? Because they're not atheists. They believe in an ascendant spiritual plane where the Thetan, which is your soul, will live there and occupy its own planet after you pass away for eternity, which sounds fantastic in theory. So I hope it's true. So if you're a Scientologist watching this, I hope you're right. But imagine you die, you get

to heaven and you're a Christian and God is like, Scientology was right. So what are you? What do you believe in? Me? Man, I'm trying, that's the thing, man. Like you said, I'm 27. I'm still trying to figure things out. Like my opinion sort of changed as I'm learning more stuff about life. I would like to think that there's an afterlife. When I was a kid, my grandma told me that there was and that all my great grandparents were there watching the Phillies games and the Phillies always win in heaven. That sounded nice. I was like, oh, that sounds great because they're losing right now. But as I'm getting older, man, I don't know. Sometimes I watch a

bug die or a dog, you know, we just had to put down a puppy. Never mind. Anyways, I think to myself like, man, what makes me different from all these animals and wildlife that's passing away? Is there something special about the human spirit that allows us to occupy the kingdom of heaven? Are we more than animal? Well, listen, I don't know if you've ever watched Charlie, All Dogs Go to Heaven. You ever saw the movie All Dogs Go to Heaven?

I believe All Dogs Go to Heaven. So you think, are they? I don't know about cats, but I think All Dogs Go to Heaven. But do they get their own specific heaven or are they with us? I think they're hanging out with us. I can't imagine going to heaven not seeing dogs. So dogs are the only species in heaven or all other domesticated pet breeds?

I don't know. I mean, that's a pay grade that I haven't reached at level 32 or 33 to know if they're gonna be there or not. I'm kind of going based on faith. I'm hoping they're gonna be there because we love animals. But if my dad's version of faith to him, he is hoping animals don't go to heaven because my dad can't stand dogs. Because they poo everywhere.

Because my dad is a clean freak and God forbid an animal touches him. He loses his mind. Till today, his mother, my grandmother had 12 cats, 2 dogs, 2 parrots, 12 birds, 2 snakes. All her kids love dogs and animals except for my dad. She had 4 kids. They all love animals. My dad can't stand them. So my dad's depiction of heaven, it's just human beings. So mine, I'm hoping there's some animals, but we'll see.

So you don't have a faith. You don't have something you believe in right now. No, I'd like to though. I'd like to have some sort of ecstatic religious experience. Well, you know, you're 27, you're going through it. You know, the way, the journey you're going on is so awesome that I'm really curious to know who you are three years from now, six years from now. Sincerely, I wanna know where you're gonna be 10 years from now.

You know, there's certain people you watch who are coming up and you're like, I think this guy's gonna change a lot of times and I can't wait to meet the next guy. You know what I'm saying? Like, look, 10 years ago, Rogan was a Sanders guy. And then all of a sudden, wait, what? He was one of the reasons why Trump got elected.

They hug each other at UFC as if they're best friends. This is not the same guy. When I was on Rogan's podcast, he's like, I'll never have, you know, he was thinking about it, but at one point he told Lex I'll never have him on. He called me all this other stuff. What happened to him? What evolution did he go through?

I think last week Rogan just said I'm no longer drinking alcohol. Or two weeks ago. I stopped about 39 days ago. Really? How is it so far for you? It's just fantastic, man. I used to spend so much time socializing,

it became like a second job. You know what I mean? I'm like I get off work I might it's it felt like partying was a job And I just have much more time on my hands much more emotional regulation That's why I'm putting up three videos a week now as opposed to one Well, I wake up at five o'clock in the morning and running get to work edit put something out And you edit your own stuff out here. Yeah one thing. I wanted to ask you. Wait. What'd you say? I hear you edit your own video

I edit my own videos mostly but I have a new team of editors shout out to Charlie Nate Gabe and Ethan Those are my first four editors my first four channel five employees Charlie of history Charlie Charlie Brady He edited the video about West Virginia Greyhound Racing. Oh, very cool. Mm-hmm I want to ask you though. What religion was your father? Mom and dad both Christians and they're from Iranan. Yeah, is that the dominant religion there? No, but remember my my dad's a syrian And my mother's armenian so I speak armenian. I speak aramaic

But I lived in iran for almost 11 years went to germany. Then we came here were christians expelled under the shah Not under the shah the shah was like open. Oh, I mean Khomeini, sorry. Yeah, under Khomeini, you do not want to, you're walking on eggshells under Khomeini when you were a Christian at my time. It was uncomfortable. It was, you couldn't go out and be too public about it. See, there's a couple things when you talk about Iran and you talk about America.

And for me, when you grow up as a kid, you're like, whoa, why can't I be a Christian here? Why can't I be public about it? Why is this so judgmental and unsafe and you gotta be careful and all this other stuff? And then you come to America, you're like, yeah, you're a Muslim, great. Go to Detroit, take over Detroit.

Take over Dearborn. Do what you wanna do. You wanna be a Scientologist? Go to LA, build it up, go to Detroit take over Detroit. Yeah, take over Dearborn do what you want to do You want to be Scientologist go to LA build it up go to Tampa. No problem You want to be a Mormon go to Utah do your thing you want to be Jehovah you want to so it's like You know it allows you to do it this country being a great one, but going back to it Establishment asked the anti-establishment. We're talking about Trump in your industries talking to You would be a what are you Gen Z what the

I think I'm on like the very late Gen Z right yeah I'm like the last I'm like the oldest Gen Z person Wow you're old I'm like right you know how there's like the Aries Taurus cusp which is today yeah I'm like that for Gen Z I'm not a millennial but I'm definitely not Gen Alpha like I when I was a kid I was like playing with sticks and kicking rocks around and still wasn't you know experienced that yeah I was I had no internet came around when I was like seven or eight at least home computers so I was out there, I was playing with sticks and kicking rocks around. I wasn't, you know. So you experienced that? Yeah, I had no, the internet came around when I was like seven or eight, at least home computers. So I was out there, you know what I mean,

just doing my thing. The good old days. The good old days, you know, I wasn't watching people on a live stream typing in like W chat or L chat. Like I was really experiencing it. How old is Mr. Beast? Is he older than you?

Or you guys are about to see him? Yeah, Mr. Beast is, I would estimate 31. How old is Logan? Logan Paul's what, like 28? Oh shit, is he really 26? He's not 26. Oh, mr. Beast was born in 1998 Wow, I gotta get my hustle on holy shit. He's 26 dude. I thought he was 30. How old is Logan Paul? Can you pull that up Rob? How does he's got to be like 28 ish? I've got Logan Paul's by three years

All right, we're good and Jake is what 29 Jake like a year younger 28 28 so this is like the 26 27 28 30 I think the way you're going if you if you continue the way you're going you'll be a 20 million plus sub channel I hope so no I think you will be I think your only reason you won't is because you're gonna be your own enemy and get you in your own way if you kind of buckle down and stay disciplined I think you're gonna get there and I I think you'll be a very, very influential voice in citizen journalism in America.

And help a lot of us that maybe we don't have the time to go there, we'll be like, okay, where's he at now? Oh shit, I didn't know that. That's what it looks like. But going back to it, you're not a Trump guy. But you said, when I asked you about Romney, somehow we went to Scientology, right? Which was a very weird left turn we took.

Well, I think it was the Mormon Scientology overlap. The establishment, yes. However, that happened. Yeah. But would you put him more like, do you think Romney is more with President Bush or do you think Romney is more friends with Trump? I mean, as far as Trump, he's not part of the RNC establishment, but there's a new establishment forming around Trump. You know what I mean?

Like, I think that he ran on the platform of being against the DNC establishment, who obviously are entrenched in like the mainstream press, late night television, most cable news networks, except for Fox, do, are kind of obedient to the Democratic party. You saw that when they disenfranchised Bernie Sanders during the primaries 2016. That's right, yeah, for sure.

So I think that, yeah, he was for a long time, but I think there's a new establishment forming. But hang on, forming, But prior to being established, they were anti-establishment before they got established. Well, there's multiple establishments, is kind of the thing. I totally get it. But establishment is what?

Those who are the majority, they have the control, they're established, and this is our way, you have to come ask our permission to run, right? Kind of like, hey, I'm Obama, I'm Clinton, I'm this, you're gonna come through us before you run, right? Yeah, Trump is totally an outsider, anti-establishment 20s. So check this out, this is kind of where I'm going with this because I'm trying to see, you know, positioning. So Obama, would you put Obama as establishment or anti-establishment? For sure. Would you put Bush as

establishment or anti-establishment? How about? Clinton yeah, how about senior? Yeah, how about Reagan? Yeah, how about Carter? Every president ever before Trump was a part of a major political establishment about Kennedy Kennedy I believe was assassinated by the government because he went against the agenda what that agenda is I'm not sure I'm gonna have to do some research. So I would say the the last two Anti-establishment presidents we've had are Kennedy and Trump. I think say the last two anti-establishment presidents we've had are Kennedy and Trump. I think that the Democratic Party wanted Trump to run in 2016, because I think they believed

that he had no chance. And I think that the Democrats actually propped him up. It's called the Pied Piper strategy. I think they did that in 2016, Hillary in particular in the DNC camp, because they thought this guy's ridiculous. After he went down the elevator, they were like, no way is the birth certificate guy going to possibly win.

So I think that they purposely propped up an anti-establishment candidate in 2016, anti-political establishment, not financial corporate establishment, with the idea that he'd be so easy to beat. But he was so good at speaking and you know having a Genuine connection with the people in the way that he talked casually off script. No pulling no punches that People resonated with Trump a lot Why do you think? even from the younger males Genzies, why do you think there's such a big growth and attraction to Trump today? There's such a big growth and attraction to Trump today

Like never before because it's more your your generation your age guys 18 to 27 age 28 ish. They're seeing themselves like man. I kind of want a guy like Trump instead of what's going on Why do you think that number is increasing the most that demo? I think has a lot to do with the sort of like a pull that up Rob because we've talked about this before a lot Of the culture war identity stuff being pushed a lot by the democratic establishment is backfiring in a way that makes a lot of young white dudes feel like, why are people hating on me all the time? Feeling kind of disenfranchised. They're being told their voice isn't important

and that it's not about what your ideas are, but it's about what you look like and what your background is. And if you're from a high place of privilege, then you shouldn't be able to have as much of a role in the conversation as someone else who's been given less in life. And so I think that especially in academia,

where you're seeing a lot of people kind of feel disillusioned with the discourse there, because it's so generally one-sided on college campuses, I think there's a lot of young people who are also seeing Trump go on podcasts like B.O. Vaughn, Nelk Boys, this one, a lot of podcasts where you're talking, you're having a regular conversation that you wouldn't be able to have with most establishment candidates. And they think, all right, you know what? I might not love everything about this one, a lot of podcasts where you're talking, you're having a regular conversation that you wouldn't be able to have with most establishment candidates.

And they think, all right, you know what? I might not love everything about this guy, but I'll tell you that he's able to have a conversation here or with someone who's just willing to talk and they feel like, you know, if he can, he could be my friend too. Yeah, that's interesting. You said, I'm kind of in a progressive bubble,

is what you said a few minutes ago, right? To a certain extent, yeah. Okay, so in the progressive bubble that you're in, what is that progressive bubble belief in? Well, in the progressive bubble that I'm in, which would be like more leftist-oriented, late Gen Zers, there's not much Kamala Harris or Biden support. I think that's the big thing that conservatives missed, is that nobody in my age demographic was excited about the Harris campaign except for a select few. Most people I know didn't even vote for the Democrats who would be considered very anti-conservative because they felt like we didn't have a candidate that would speak for the interest of the more

progressive youth. And I think that we still don't. That's why I kind of look for 2028 as the great equalizer year, because after the Harris loss, I think the DNC establishment is gonna be in obscurity. And I think that with Trump taking over the conservative side, the traditional Bush RNC is also not as important. So I think we're gonna have fresh primaries in four years with great voices from both sides of the aisle.

I think that's gonna be one of the most fair and free elections ever. Okay, so what I want to hear is values. Progressive bubble. What are the values you believe in? Your top three values. Socially progressive. Probably socially progressive. I believe in like the complete legalization of gay marriage.

Pretty pro-choice. I think that the richest people in the country should be taxed a little bit more. And I think that the working class people should be paid a little bit more as well. I think that there's a wide gap that you're seeing, especially when you have the richest cities in the country have the most inequality. You have a state or a city like Los Angeles, which has the highest corporate tax rate and the highest homelessness rate in the country.

So the fact that these two things are existing in tandem shows that the money from taxation is not being spent effectively. People are not able to afford to live a normal life. I think that even 30 or 40 years ago, it was normal to get a college degree, go straight into the workforce in the white collar sector and be able to buy a home for yourself and start a family at 30. Most people that I know are so overwhelmed by student debt at this point in their life and that they can't even think about anything except for clearing that debt by any means

necessary. People are so overworked, they have no time to pursue their creative interests. There's no politician they feel like speaks for the working people of the country. And I think that I'm more in line with that way of thinking, you know, but I'm not like a, I don't sit around hating on Trump or getting upset about that because I think all this stuff is just a symptom of the dysfunction in our country that at some point work itself out if we Can come together would you say you're a pretty reasonable guy? I think so. Yeah, okay I think so as well you give me the vibes to do do do you the the conversation of Allowing men to compete in women's sports. How do you as a young Gen Z progressive?

View that argument? I mean, I just wonder how much of like an issue that really is. It seems like the kind of thing that is really like small, that doesn't affect that many people's lives, that's being blown out of proportion by different news organizations to distract people from the real growing income inequality that's happening.

I mean, evidently if there's like a buff person who identifies as non-binary, who is competing in women's sports, but they're born as biologically male, obviously that's an unfair situation. Okay, so you say that. Yeah, I mean. By the way, so that's logic to us as well, right?

But when, again, to me, this is where a couple things are happening. That's one thing that I'm curious to know your thoughts. So when I look at the Democratic Party and their approval rating was higher pre, what do you want to call it? Pre-Obama was higher and even let's just say during Obama's was higher.

To where it's at today, I don't know if you've seen the rating or not, where they're at. Have you seen that lately? What they've been reporting? I didn't even know they did approval ratings for people who aren't in power. Oh, you know, you gotta see this is done by CNN, which is the one I trust the most because CNN Polls yeah, they do not they want that number to be as high as possible. That's exactly so Fox did it I would be like, yeah

Right, do you have the video where the guy Hinton? What's his name Hinton Harry? Yes, Harry that does it He does a very good job. We have that clip, but when you watch this, you know, you ask yourself Okay Why is that not idea not as popular as it used to be what happened all of a sudden, right? The numbers are staggering on how much it's dropped Right to that now like what oh you got a 5% now listen that you got to see this Rob Did you find it or I'm looking for the at now? Like what? 30? 35%? No. Listen to that. You gotta see this. Rob, did you find it or? I'm looking for the video now. I did find the article that you... No, it's a video. What's the guy's name? Harry Enten. E-N. Enten? Yeah.

Okay, so if you go on X, just type in Enten Democratic Rating. There you go. Is that the most recent one? This is from February. There is another one that he did that's more recent. November, March. Yeah, but it's- March 12th. Okay, go with that one. Watch this. No, that's old.

Hold on, sorry. While he finds it, I just wanna say, I think that the trans women in sports thing is like a classic divide and conquer overblown culture war distraction divide the public thing because like Realistically, they know that what they're doing now by creating that issue is that it's taking precedence over things that are far more important that affect Millions and millions of people and they know that there's gonna be a push on the progressive side to vehemently defend that You know because that's what they do and there's gonna be a conservative

push to make that the main issue and so it's creating this like matrix it's almost like filibustering public conversation but but also let's say you're right and let's give credence to 20% of the argument of that being a part of it let's let's put that there that I think there's a part of it that the opposing sides like hey show this clip look at what this happens So I get that I get a little bit of that, you know That's happening where they're shown. Okay, like hey look at what's going on with you know, the economy stock market drop New job reports came up. It's higher than expected. No, no, don't show this report CNN Show what's going on with the stock market you're in tariffs, right? I get that part. However

Maybe some of it is also, the bad policies cost a lot of people to leave the Democratic Party. More than ever before. Rob, if you wanna play this clip, watch this one here. This is how long ago, Rob? This is March 17th? March 17th.

There's an updated one, but let's just watch it. Close enough. Close enough, yeah. All I have to say, Democrats, call your office. You know where March Madness Times, 17th there's there's an updated one, but let's just watch it close enough. Yeah Call your office, you know where March Madness Times Terrible terrible terrible to quote the great Charles Barkley view Democratic Party favorably CNN SRS Look at this 29% NBC News. You want to go lower than that? How about 27%? Both are record lows the low To 1990 see when CNN polling the low wow damn to 1990 and NBC News polling Yeah

Guys energy on the right guys going cool like sports I can say is I'm a big fan of the oldies, so I'm gonna talking like Trump. How low can you go? Nice I'm a big fan of the oldies. So I'm gonna talking like Trump. How low can you go? Nice? Well done? Nice Why does it look so uncomfortable these numbers alone, how about this one? Holy Toledo voters views of the Democrats in Congress among all voters disapproved 68% and look at the approved number just 21% even lower than the don't want to hire this guy Sanders Trump crossover record for Democrats like the dad from modern University polling you think those numbers are bad

Let's go watch this one watches Dems on Dems go Keep playing Democratic voters feel get this the plurality of Democratic voters disapprove of Democrats in Congress at 49 percent and just 40% approve. So data is data, right? Data is data. So when you look at that, this is not good. So then the question becomes, how did you guys get here? What ideas were bad ideas?

You said something very interesting. And where you're like, you're for gay marriage. And then you said you're for higher taxes for the guys that are making more money. Not okay. Just to clarify, I'm talking about like the genuine like billionaires. Like for example, California, the tax system is ridiculous. Yeah, like I got they took I think 45% of my income in total when you add up state and federal taxes last year. And I would have used that money to hire more people. So the logic is like we're going to take this money and distribute it to those who need it. But I actually would have used that money to hire like five So the logic is like we're gonna take this money and distribute it to those who need it

But I actually would have used that money to hire like five more of my friends and pumped it back into the economy I don't believe that entrepreneurs who are entrepreneurs who are like around that like million two million to ten million levels should even be taxed But I'm talking about when people are hoarding such absurd amounts of wealth multi-billion dollars I just think that it should to a certain extent be distributed not necessarily in the way of like the government Seizes all of their Assets and gives it to the poorest people but there has to be a way to bridge the extreme divided income inequality in the country Okay, so check this out You just answered a very important question that took me a while to figure out when I was making 30 40 50 thousand hours

I'm gonna do these rich people are greedy. You know, they suck. They should pay more taxes It's not fair Then when I started working my ass off and I built a business and the money came in, I'm like, dude, if I had the money, I would hire five more people right now. If I had that money, I would hire 10 more people right now. You're thinking about it for a moment, and you literally would. And if you don't, you go buy a car, you're creating jobs. If you don't, you put in a bank, the bank's going to lend it to somebody.

If you don't, you put in a mutual fund that company's working, someone's getting paid. No matter where the money flows. It's creating jobs, right? So the question on Raising of the taxes. Do you think you're more capable of doing good with your money or the government can? That's a really really good question in terms of like personal financial liberty I mean as far as that question goes obviously you would be better at spending your own money than the government if you're managing a Business but the fact is that once you get past a certain threshold of wealth, a lot of people are just hoarding it and not pumping it back into the economy. Back in the day with Reagan, when he installed supply side economics, the idea was, oh my

god, it's going to stimulate the economy so much if we give no taxes to billionaires who run corporations. But what happened is they ended up just kind of hoarding the money, buying more states, jets, vacations, living a lavish lifestyle, because there's a human tendency to just wanna be as much of a baller as possible when you have a billion dollars,

it's just how people are. Everybody wants to flex, get the nicest car, get a helicopter, do things that you can't do, things that you dreamed of when you were playing like Grant DeFado as a child. So, but go there. Go there with that. Let's say you're the greedy billionaire, okay?

What's a greedy billionaire buy? Oh, damn. You're asking me like, what would I buy if I was a greedy okay? What's a greedy billionaire buy? Oh, damn. You're asking me like, what would I buy if I was a greedy billionaire? What network do you wanna do? You wanna do 100 million, we'll do a billion, or you wanna stick to billionaires? Yeah, let's stick to people who are making,

you know, multi-billion dollars every year. How about let's say billionaires and up. What does a rich billionaire buy? What things do they buy? Well, first thing that comes to mind for me is a pool, like an infinity pool that bleeds directly into the Pacific Ocean. A fleet of jet skis for all of my friends so we can kind of travel that way.

Corporate real estate on the water so we can jet ski from the house to work. I love it. This is like Larry Ellison. You ever seen Larry Ellison's headquarters? No, I haven't. So this guy's from Oracle. This is the kind of shit that you're talking about. Type in Larry Ellison headquarters parks his yacht. Parks his yacht. Something like that.

And then go to images, if you could. So this guy builds his headquarters. Oracle... Put in Oracle Ellison headquarters... Put an Oracle, Oracle, Ellison headquarters, is ship, maybe type in ship, type in if that comes. Maybe go to Oracle's headquarters. Okay, just take out, take out the yacht. This guy built his headquarters,

I don't know which one this is. He builds a place to put his yacht. I'll find it, I'll text it to you here in a minute. He literally parks his boat in front of the property that he has. Whether it's Intel or Oracle, it's one of the two. But okay, so far we got pool, infinity pool on the water at the Pacific Ocean. You got jet skis and then you have a corporate real estate on the water to jet ski from office to the house Yeah, personal trainer private chef personal trainer nutritionist private chef

Dermatologist to live on scene to help me with my skin Dermatologists love it. We need these dermatologists. Who else? I can't even think about I just know that once you pass a certain amount of money It becomes a competition as to who can get the most anymore bro. Go greedy. What else is this billionaire gonna buy? I want more, get creative. Okay, well I was trying to think what kind of billionaire, am I a tech billionaire or am I like a Saudi royal family? Give me both of them.

Okay, I can't even think of anything else. Yeah, but okay, let's just say private jet, is that fair? Yeah. You for sure have a private jet. Let's just say yacht. Do you have a vacation home? Yeah, in Santa Fe. In Santa Fe.

Oh no, that's what Jeffrey Epstein had, I gotta pick somewhere else. You gonna go Santa Fe? I scratched that, what Jeffrey Epstein had I got to pick somewhere else Scratch that scratch that I have a vacation home Hackman like um on the west coast of Jamaica Westmoreland Parish Holy shit good taste. Yeah, what else what else do you do to hoard the money? Where do you hoard your money? You can just sit on it. What do you buy? What do you sit on like it? What what a lot of billionaires do is they use their money to kind of like use the legal system Civil court in particular to bully people who talk badly about them. Yeah, but that's like...

It's happening to me right now. Yeah, I get that part, but I'm saying what do they buy? But let's even say that, so that means they hire a PR firm and lawyers, right? So they hire PR firms and lawyers, okay? Do they buy expensive watches? Yeah, I think so. I mean, I personally wouldn't buy a watch. But they probably do it.

Yeah. Crazy, I don't know why they do this kind of stuff. What else? What else do these guys do? I feel like I'm being set up right now. Where does this end? This is where I'm going with this. If there's something that I don't know about billionaires,

I want you to tell me. I'll tell you what it is. Here's how I process it. So if they have an infinity pool, does it have to be maintained Yeah, but okay I see what you're saying there is pool staff that needs to make sure the water goes is not there's not too much chlorine going Into the ocean you have to be maintained if somebody has to take care of it on a weekly basis To build an infinity pool wrap how much put average price of building an infinity pool in?

Malibu okay, let's just average price of Infinity Pool building in Malibu, California. Yeah, California. Let's just say what it says, price point, 250, 500, 200, I don't know what the number is going to be. Give us a price point on Infinity Pool, estimate it costs 65 to 150 thousand dollars. That's actually a lot less expensive than I thought it would be. And watch what it says, in luxury Infinity Pool, 150 can exceed to 500 thousand,000 That's a lot of jobs that you're gonna get paid. Okay, if you buy jet skis, let's say it's $25,000 for a good jet ski That's a lot. That's a lot

You're right for a good yet creating a job and you need to get six to eight so that you and your core employees can commute To work together like some kind of fleet. That's right. We got to do the right way You can screw on with this one here headquarters corporate headquarters on the water. Construction workers, plumbers, electrician, it's a lot of jobs being created, right? If you have a private personal trainer, that's a job you're creating. If you have a chef, that's a job you're creating. If you have a nutritionist.

I get the point you're trying to make. People should be able to get nice things for themselves if they work super hard. But that's not. I'm not the kind of guy who's like, if you work hard, you should give all your money to people who are on the lower income. I'm just saying that the specific tax rate should be a little bit higher. I was like, if you work hard, you should give all your money to people who are on the lower income.

I'm just saying that the specific tax rate should be a little bit higher. Not ridiculously higher, but higher enough to where they can have substantial social welfare programs. My biggest challenge with that is even the greediest of the greediest who goes and is like flaunting a big-ass platinum gold chain that they're putting around their neck that they bought for whatever that somebody took three months to build. No matter what it is, the money is flowing.

Even if they put the money in the bank and they're sitting on it, the bank is lending it back to somebody. So money's always working. Chase is not gonna let money stay in the bank. The moment you put money in Chase, guess what Chase is doing? Chase is lending it to somebody ASAP. They don't want the money to stay in the bank. They're not making money like that.

So no matter what you do, the basis of this question for me goes who's going to do better with the money? Giving it to the government because you said what right after when I said taxes, you said in California, what did you say? Let me go back to it. You said in California, you know the taxes that you're paying 45 percent, but then at the same time taxes are not being used effectively, right? How much of that are we going through right now? Well, I mean on the inverse and what do you think will? Solve the problem of the extreme poverty and wealth inequality in the country. Well, let's see California's been trying to do it. Well, the thing is they tried

That's the thing is everyone sees Gavin Newsom as like an enabler for all these destructive democratic policies But he still makes concessions to conservatives who are like bullying him into not carrying it out. For example, let's take the Tenderloin in San Francisco, which is still the biggest open-air drug zone in the city. Been that way for decades. He, you know, obviously during the Biden administration and when Newsom was in control, he still is, it was a crazy scene out there.

There was people smoking fentanyl on the streets, people defecating and sleeping in the streets. In San Francisco. Yeah, in this particular area. Is there a clip you want him to show? No, I think we can just overlay it or something. But I mean, in general, Governor Newsom was being kind of like shit on for letting that happen. But the reality is, and people on the ground know this, there was supposed to be a safe injection site that was two blocks long, two blocks wide,

that was supposed to be maintained by the state and the city. So it made it so people wouldn't be able to use heroin, fentanyl, and meth on the streets. They would have to go to a controlled environment where the public and children and people who were living in that community wouldn't have to interact with them and they could have the access to the services they need. At the last minute, Governor Newsom didn't build it because he was too scared of getting another media smear campaign and being made to seem like someone who lets People do drugs in the open, but he still does drugs in the open. So with the Democratic establishment in California

There's a lot of hypocrisy and there's a lot of we don't know where the money's going There's not much transparency as far as what's happening with all these taxes that are being taken away from people who worked hard to make That money we do know that a trillion dollars of wealth have left California in the past four years We do know that cities like San Francisco and LA that are still generating a ton of money Much of that money isn't even being given pumped back into the city because so many workers have gone remote There's a lot of people working in California They decide not to live there because they can do their work for tech companies remotely elsewhere in a more about a state like Montana You know

so I think that when you look at progressive policies and you look at poverty and it's not changing and then you look at, you know, the tax rate going up and down, it can be easy to say, you know what, nothing's ever going to change. And that's why there's so much like a sense of apathy and nihilism when it comes to the billionaire thing. That's why people were saying, oh, billionaires are the worst, kill them all on the internet because they've seen nothing change and they're seeing, okay, the cost of living is high,

there's homeless people everywhere, there's so much poverty, yet there's this class of people who are unaffected by it. So the question is then, if we don't raise the taxes, what can be done to change that situation on the ground? The taxes? No, I mean the situation with inequality and poverty. Yeah, but that's not how it works though,

because to me, here's how it works. Okay, let's just say you got three sons and they're all 25 years old, okay? and you're 60 years old at this time could you be yes 60 yeah 25 60 let's just say you're 65 years old you got three sons 25 26 27 they're all out of college you give each of them $100,000 first one to give $100,000 he goes to Singapore he parties he parties, he comes back, has a lot of stories. Says, Dad, I tried an opportunity, I met with this businessman in Singapore, didn't work out. I need another quarter million dollars, I'm up to something big.

Second son comes up, you give him $100,000. He takes $100,000, go buys a small condo, gets a nice little job, makes 120 grand a year, doesn't need any money from you anymore, he's doing okay, he's happy, he's got a girlfriend, they're pretty serious. Third one, he gives $100,000, takes $100,000, starts a little real estate shop, turns it into $3.2 million, okay? Two years later. Now they're all two years older. The first son you give $100,000 to in Singapore comes back says he wants a quarter.

The second one's a quarter, the third one wants a quarter. Which of those three are you more comfortable giving more money to, knowing you're gonna get a rate of return on your money? The first, the second, or the third? Probably the first, right? The first? The guy that went to Singapore?

Oh no, not that guy, am I bad? I kinda got lost in the metaphor here because I was just thinking about Singapore. So the first guy is Singapore, the second guy is a stable guy, good citizen, gets a job. Oh, second guy, number two. Or the third one that starts a business and makes the money grow for you?

I mean, probably the three, because it would be a bigger investment But I mean aside from a business standpoint like if we obviously you recognize that there's a big problem with homelessness poverty Unaffordability, but why do you think that is though? What do you think? I'm asking you you're in the streets Why do you think that is? I mean I would just assume that because the social safety net is so small here And there's such a little being provided for people in terms of mental health services, the broken veterans administration, so many different things, unaffordability, like there's just not enough resources to set up people who are, to help people who are at rock bottom here.

You think we haven't given enough money? So to me when you ask the question, if we don't raise the taxes, then how are we going to fix this? To me, the question becomes, the last 30 times we agreed to give you more money, you wasted it. Why should we trust you to give you more money? Because if I give money to Amazon, if I give money in a company like Nvidia, if I give money to Tesla, if I give money to Ford or Disney

and I buy the stock and I'm like a believer, here's what's gonna be happening. I kind of can track publicly, there's accountability, there's accounting, there's quarterly earnings, there's calls to get on. If I give more money to the government what is the quarterly earnings yeah where's the accountability no I totally where's accounting I agree like money today there's a no way logically one would give money to a company or a business that I don't get to see what

you do with my money there's no tracking to it I agree I do think that like we can both agree that like you know throwing money at things doesn't always fix the problem. But you've been around for longer than me. If it's not that, if it's not funding programs to provide for people who are down and out, what do we do? Because the problem is already here. It's not in theory.

There's 100,000 people who are homeless in LA alone and San Francisco combined. So it's like, what do we do? What's the solution? Do you have any wisdom as to what you think would happen? Do you think long-term you'll live in LA? You said earlier you're considering leaving, right? Well, that's the thing, as I love the landscape and the people of California so much,

where I live now, I'm an hour and a half from the beach, hour and a half from the Mojave Desert, can drive to Vegas or Tijuana, can get to the Bay. In Florida, kinda just in Florida. So would you see yourself living there long term? Because we're gonna document this, because we're gonna come back when you come to Florida. Okay, how's it feel being a Floridian? I like being in Florida because you can feel like it's kind of like Texas right now where things are moving you can feel

People are like excited about new projects and doesn't have this air of like a you know bygone greatness La has I have an office in Universal City It's my first ever Channel 5 office that I opened four months ago, and there's a cafe. That's abandoned in the lobby It looks like I moved into like a Ford Motor Company factory in Detroit There's only four people working in this giant building and like I remember the the janitor came by he was mopping the floor and he Like pointed at some derelict office and he goes that's where Michael Jackson recorded beat it And I was just like Jesus Christ you really feel like you're like a post rust belt decline society address Where are you in? I don't want to say it exactly

Is it like what part of Universal like close to across from Universal Studios? Oh shit. Okay. Yeah, so it's like literally There's this like by God in the air You can feel that the place had seen better days like by Disney and where for us Lana's give or take exactly Okay I had a makeup artist come by when I was having a lot of breakouts or whatever and so she came by and she was So happy and I was like, why are you so happy? She goes I haven't had work in two months She said before COVID every single day I was on set for a different awesome director getting to do makeup for the stars and she says now I have to travel to

Poland or Taiwan to find work because that Hollywood is moving their productions to different continents just to save money on staff So why do you think why are are people leaving? Taxes. Okay. So why else? Why else you think they're leaving? You think it's just taxes? Well, there's a couple different people. Okay, so there's Hollywood leaving, they're leaving to save money. Comedy leaving is because of the culture of the coastal cities. Tech left for a little bit because remote work was more profitable, but tech is returning to Silicon Valley. So I think tech is still going for California, but those three big industries, Hollywood, tech,

and then comedy, all left for different reasons. But comedy's for sure because of the culture of California. So long-term, you're kind of open to leaving to Austin or Florida or something. Yeah, at some point in my life, but I mean, I also just love California. I also believe in it. I could see California having a second wind.

I mean, it's obviously- How did he get it? How did he get a second wind? I mean, new leadership. So like, he get it? How did he get a second wind? I mean, new leadership. Such as who? Is there anyone that you think that could turn things around? No, not right now, but maybe... Maybe a rising star could emerge from the ashes.

And that rising star that emerges from the ashes, what would you want that person's policies to be on? Like, what would you want... Take the money that you're taking. Use all of that tax money to provide for people who are sleeping on the streets and dying on the streets. Provide robust mental health services, shelter options, opportunities to people who have been basically dejected by society.

Clean up the street. For the amount that we're being taxed in California, it should be a utopian society. And when you talk about homelessness, another problem is that people say, oh, there's so many homeless people in California because of the progressive policies. But it also has to do with the fact that homelessness has been criminalized so heavily in red states and counties that people are leaving those counties to California so they don't go to jail. I don't know if you're familiar with the Grants Pass Oregon ruling.

It's a rural county in Oregon, which is a blue state. And it ruled that if you're a homeless person because of vagrancy laws, you can be taken to jail and cited even if there's no shelter beds available for sleeping in the street. And if you get your third vagrancy citation, it's a mandatory 90 days in county jail. So a lot of people who are homeless, suffering from, you know, different mental disorders and substance abuse issues, they're like, all right, I don't want to go to jail. I'm going to go to LA. So then you have all of these mental health and support services being overwhelmed

by people who are migrating from red counties and states. So I think that the solution is, I wish this was viewed as an America problem as opposed to a Dems versus Republican problem, because when you politicize people who are going through hardcore suffering, it can be easy to overlook their suffering and use them as political cannon fodder

if you're Republican or Democratic. Yeah and I think you're coming from a very sincere place that you want to improve this is why I said I can't wait to watch your journey it's exciting to watch you go through what you're going through right now because in the business world here's how it works if you have a billion dollars your name is Bill Ackman and my name is John Doe I come to you and I say, hey Bill, I need 20 million dollars from you. Really, tell me what your background looks like.

First deal, I put 20,000 dollars on my own money, my dad gave me 100,000, my uncle and family gave me half a million dollars, I sold the business for 32 million dollars. Second company, I put two million dollars on my own money, it failed, moved on, didn't work out for a year, but I didn't take money from anybody else. Third company, I took $20 million,

turned it into $180 million and I sold the business. Fourth one is the one I'm doing right now and I want $20 million from you. Will you consider giving me money? Yes, right? Okay, so number one is a guy like Newsome has credibility issue. We wanna give you more money for what?

I'm not comfortable with this. So liberal policies have lost credibility to get more money. Number two, reputation. If your policies are so good, why are 27 out of 30 cities in America that are the most unsafe cities in America ran by Democratic mayors? That's data. 27 out of 30, right? So you have all these years to fix the issues,

how come you haven't? Third one for me is the following. Had a friend of mine who, if you ever went to dinner with him, he wouldn't order dessert once. He would eat more dessert than steak. Like to him it's like, let me try this ice cream and bring this one out and bring the carrot cake and bring this, this and bring the tres leches

and he's just eating it, right? And he says, you know, I'm about to do the stomach stapling here coming up. I said, really? Yeah. I said, shit. And he says, really you're going to this? Yeah.

He goes and staples his stomach, loses 50 pounds. Literally he loses 50 pounds, okay? So now he can't keep anything down, but guess what he still eats? Dessert. Same exact thing. Key lime pie. Key lime pie. Key lime pie.

The whole night. All of it, right? Strawberry sorbet. Give me all of it, right? So his habits didn't change. So even though we stapled the stomach, he still kept doing the same thing. So when he asked the question, how do we fix this homelessness problem, money to me is bandaid.

Money to me is stapled in the stomach. Money to me is not changing the habits. Money to me is not changing the habits. Money to me is not getting rid of the bad behavior that they have. It's not going to do that. It's standard and protocols. So if somebody feels safer, it's like a kid who wants to come and hang out with you and your dad and your dad smokes weed, but you don't want to be with me because I'm a tougher dad that I don't smoke weed. You're like, man, that dad is cool. You're not cool. California is the cool dad that smokes weed with you. Texas is like, no, you come to my house house smoking weed you get your ass kicked out of the house

Yeah, so you can bring your gun to my house, but that's okay cuz that's safer But I will feel safer for some of the people because we're a Second Amendment country right? Yeah, that's that's the part where it's the back and forth for me Where if your if your ideas have credibility that you've done well, let's give you more Yeah But if your ideas have credibility that you've done well, let's give you more. But they've lost so much credibility where people don't want to raise taxes because you don't have credibility right now to ask for more. Yeah, and that's what I was saying about the safe injection site in San Francisco.

That would have solved the problem of open air drug use in the area. You think so? Oh, definitely. Tell me why. Because people aren't going to get cited, they're not going to get, I mean, most of the open air drug- Is that a band-aid or is that permanently fixing something? I mean, if the safe injection site was also had, you know, harm reduction services, had

mental health treatment options, had people working their day in, day out trying to help people get back on their feet, it would not fix the problem. There's still gonna be drug use and homelessness no matter what, but it would allow for an exit ramp for those who want to make that choice as as opposed to living literally outside of people's apartments, shooting up and passing out. You ever heard of Jared Klickstein? No. Do you know who he is?

So can you pull him up Rob? Jared Klickstein, I had him on the podcast three months ago. So this guy was in Skid Row for seven years, okay? He lived there, homeless guy, heroin addict. His mother, Rob, if I'm not mistaken, died from heroin, right, at 14 years old, when he was 14. And then his dad was a heroin addict. He eventually got off of it.

This guy becomes an addict, he starts selling, he goes to Skid Row. Every day he's stealing $1,000 on the streets, CVS stores, and he's selling it for $300. That was the rate. And he comes in, and he talks about, he wrote a book, I don't know what the book, A Crooked Small. Can you, is there a picture of what he did to himself, why he calls it a Crooked Small? So he explains, I asked him, I said, tell

me what happened there with LA. Okay, what was the problem with you being homeless? And then he breaks down the incentive program of him constantly going through it. This guy burned his own lip that he had to do surgery He was so high on drugs that he burned his own lip I mean he's got a mustache now, but he openly talks about it where he titled the video crooked smile. Oh wow Yeah, he break I think this guy would be a very interesting guy for you in LA to go to skid row To document stuff with him yeah, cuz he can give a different perspective, because he was there for seven years.

That would be a very interesting thing. But can you go to the $24 billion dollar number, Rob? I don't know if you follow this number or not. California State Audit revealed that a substantial amount of money allocated for Homelessness Program, roughly 24 billion over the past five years was not consistently tracked or evaluated

to determine if it was effectively addressing the crisis. The lack of tracking and evaluation led to a lack of transparency in how the funds were spent, whether they were actually helping or not, and guess what, homelessness from five years ago was lower than it is now, but they lost $24 billion. Nowadays, more than ever, the brand you wear reflects

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the money isn't being embezzled or given to the wrong people. Why? Well, obviously the- Who embezzled it? Newsom's administration. Yeah, so then, but what side of the political aisle is that? I would not describe the Democrats who control California as leftist or progressives. What would you call them? Liberals, Democrats. Liberals and Democrats? I think it's different. So what's the difference? I think liberals are more oriented in maintaining power for themselves, dominating the

political landscape of the state. You don't think leftists are? I don't think leftists have any semblance of political power in the US. Why do you think? I just think they've been disenfranchised by the liberal establishment, the democratic establishment.

I think progressive people's movements. Also, if you look at, you know, there's been over half a century plus of infiltration of these organizations by the FBI, breaking them down. And we're not just talking about like, you know, communists and far left stuff here. We're talking about people's organizations, a century plus of infiltration of these organizations by the FBI, breaking them down. And we're not just talking about like, you know, communists and far left stuff here. We're talking about people's organizations, Black Panthers, Brown Berets, American Indian

Movement, farm workers unions, environmental groups. They were all infiltrated and taken down by the government. And so you have the Democratic establishment claiming to be a progressive organization, but I do not think that they are. So you know, it makes me think Anthony Scaramucci said something very interesting the other day. Actually very interesting. Where he said a guy, the way the US system is set up is, guy said I'm gonna go be in

Congress because I think I can make some changes and you realize you can't do shit. I'm gonna go be a senator because that's where the power is, I can make some changes and you can't do shit. I'm gonna go be president because you can't do shit. So the American system is built that somebody can't. So even if the leftists that you think could change something, if they get in, they still have to go through the other people that if you give the money to them,

it's not like they're gonna personally go count the money and do something good with it. The money is still gonna go to these institutions that's ran by people that have been there for decades, that you can't do nothing about them Yeah, it's kind of depressing and kind of goes back to Luigi Maggioni thing when you talk about this deeply entrenched bureaucracy That's halting change That kind of thing makes sense. You know what? It makes me think about though. It makes me think about

What would you trust more a bigger government or a smaller government small? Yeah, small but effective and actually working for the people So small government means more money stays with you and I. Leave it in the market. I trust you knowing better what to do with the money with a million dollars than the government. I trust you instead of paying 45% of let's you say you made a million bucks last year, 45% went to taxes, you kept 550. How many more jobs would you have had if that was only 20% and you would have kept have kept that 250 thousand dollars. What realistically let you see had an additional 250 last year of tax savings What would you have done with the 250? Hired more employees been able to you know, expand the newsroom at a quicker pace

You know, we expanded to the Middle East and in Mexico and elsewhere as well the UK and New Zealand Would have been able to do that a little bit faster I was still able to do it, you know But definitely it's there's not quite a sting like getting an invoice from the IRS after working your ass off for an entire year. And like I said, that sting wouldn't be as bad if they were using the money well. If I was living in a world where there was no traffic, where people were happy and there wasn't this massive working class despair taking over, you can feel it in the air in California

and elsewhere in the entire country. If that didn't exist, I would probably be okay with a higher tax rate, because I would say, okay, well, I don't have to, people at large, the community, this American experiment is progressing in a mutually beneficial way. Yeah, but if they were efficient, they wouldn't need to tax us more.

You get what I'm saying? Like if there wasn't such bureaucracy in the government and the IRS. Yeah, and so bless you. But to me, it's also deeper than that. Think about it, like let's just say I got five C-suites that are working for me. A CMO, chief marketing officer, CFO, CTO technology,

chief strategy officer, and chief compliance officer. And we have a meeting at the end of the year, what's your budget? My budget is five million. My budget is four million. My budget is three million. My budget is 10 million, great. If a guy at My budget is three million. My budget is 10 million, great. If a guy at the end of the year had a $5 million budget

but ended up hitting his budget for the year and the b-hag, but they did it on 80% of budget, so they didn't spend five million, he spent four million. You're like, dude, good job, right? You saved the company 20% of your budget. But if a guy that had a $10 million budget doesn't hit his goal but asks for 50 million and spends 50 million, you don't have credibility.

So it's that simple that for me, I would much rather take more power away from them because they don't have a track record of getting good things done. They keep making it bigger and bigger and bigger at what expense. So that's the part where I think a part of why Kennedy and Trump's are so hated is because the one thing

those two have in common is the establishment couldn't stand these guys, because they couldn't control them. What do they have in common? They both have money. And they both had the ears of who? Some of the most powerful people in Hollywood, and they liked them.

Trump on the right, Kennedy on the left. So it's kind of like that relationship where they were both hated. CIA, FBI, the Fed, who the hell are these guys? Trump's not getting along with the Fed. Kennedy didn't get along with the Fed. There's some of those commonalities where, now the flip side of it, guess what Trump and his camp have to do? If they don't produce results, guess what happens? What? Oh, the other side's gonna come on and say,

you had them, what did they do? Nothing. And that's kind of where I'm at as well. I'm obviously not really a big Trump guy, but if positive things happen for the country during the Trump term in these next four years, I'm gonna report on that. I'm not dedicated to making Trump look bad.

I know you are, I know you are, yeah. If great things start happening, it's not like I'm gonna look for an alternate angle that undermines the success. I'm just looking at how average people are living every day, happiness and fulfillment. Very cool. Chicago, you went to Chicago, right?

Yeah, back in the day, I covered a music festival called Lyrical Lemonade or Summer Smash, and I went to Oblock the next day. And somehow that became my most watched video of all time. 13 million views, yeah, that was sick, I love it, it's sick. Why do you think it was so special? Why do you think it did so well? Well, Oblock is like the genesis of drill music.

You mind if we play it? Yeah, yeah, sure. Rob, go ahead and play it. Go ahead, you're saying Oblock is the genesis? Oblock is the genesis of drill music, which is a subgenre of rap, which is hyperviolent and focuses on real life violence. It's actually been a pretty destructive cultural force, to be honest with you.

But Oblok is where it started. So it's kind of like, you know how people would go to Mississippi to document the origin story of blues? Or they go to New Orleans for jazz, or they go to Nashville for country? Chicago and South Chicago is like that for drill music. I think that in a hundred years, there's gonna be like drill tours in the same way that there's like a Kentucky bourbon trail where people will like drink the whole way and go say,

this is where Pop Pappy Van Winkle put his 15 year barrel up for sale in 1798. They're gonna do this in Obloc and be like, this is where Chief Keef was born in the year 1995. And there's gonna be people in 2150 like, oh my God, that's so crazy. What is that peak? Rob, go back on the video. At the beginning there was a peak. Go all the way to the bottom. First part, first two minutes. Oh, sorry. What is that? What is that peak? What happens here?

Press play. Eeeeeee! GDK, GDK, GDK, GDK, GDK, GDK. Come on. GDK, GDK, GDK, GDK. Foz came out there. Foz, Foz, the youngest GDK young boy. He invented that shitK, GDK, GDK, come on. GDK, GDK, GDK, GDK. Fos came out, Fos, Fos the youngest GDK young boy. He invented that shit. To you, like, what is drill music? We started the word drill with our music. Like, let's do a drill.

We started that shit. Like, how would you explain drill music to someone who doesn't know? Um, music that make you wanna kinda get outside and go just be outside. You know what I mean? Make sense? Pause it, pause and go just yeah, yeah make sense So so means what meaning you can go outside and kill somebody that's literally what he's saying yeah It's pretty dark, but I mean drill has now become like the one of rap's mainstream sounds Drill has now become like the one of rap's mainstream sounds How how safe did you feel pretty safe? honestly only because like you know people don't understand this now like all

Hoods in America all like, you know poor neighborhoods that have music in them and have like micro influencers They recognize content as a viable avenue for income, you know back in the day if this was 2005 pre YouTube You could never go to somebody's hood just as a voyeur and film with them. But now there's kind of an informal agreement that's why there's so many hood vlogs now, is they recognize that being featured on a predominant, like a major YouTube channel could be their take it out.

People are gonna see them. It could be their, you know, it could be their moment for more exposure and attention. And especially O Block is probably the most famous housing project in the US and I had a big YouTube channel so it just happened really fast. One of the craziest things you did is when you went to, who's the key, what was it, Kia's?

I'll break it down. So the Kia boys are a car theft ring We talked about on the podcast, go for it. in the beautiful coastal town of Bridgeport, Connecticut. That's right. And They're in high school. For an update, I heard the Kia boys aren't stealing cars anymore. Part of that has to do with the security update that was installed in the push to start system in Kia.

They can't do it anymore? Yeah, you can't do it anymore. Unless somebody hasn't gotten the software update. But one of them's in jail, one of them just disappeared, and the third guy is working at a factory and he bought his own car. And it's not a Kia. He bought an American made car. That's the real message of this documentary by American.

Can you put the video of him being in the car Rob? When you're in the car, where is it where you're in the car? Well, I should have put two and two together, but yeah, they picked me up in a car and they're like, yo, let's hang out. And I got in the car and I'm sitting in the back seat and I thought about it and I'm like,

wait a second, this is a Kia. Holy shit, I'm in the back of a stolen car with three juveniles Window with a special tool and clears the broken glass before back up a little bit So this is a crazy scene so back up like maybe Yeah shows what they were doing so they picked me up at the McDonald's and Bridgeport I'm riding with them in the back of this car Sometimes I don't realize what's happening until it's too late for example What they were doing so they picked me up at the McDonald's at the car port I'm riding with them in the back of this car sometimes I don't realize what's happening until it's too late for example

And I don't want to jump ahead too much for when I hopped the border I didn't realize that I had to hop it with the coyotes until I was at the Rio Grande I'm sitting in the back of this stolen. I think it was a Mazda actually not a Kia I'm thinking holy shit. They stole this car, and then I look around I look in the the rearview mirror And there's a cop trailing us and so I say to these Kia boys I say hey guys Pull over I gotta hop out because I'm thinking like I'm 25. These kids are 16 I don't know what they're gonna charge me with and so

And the kid sitting in shotgun named swervo. He looks at me and he goes homie You shouldn't have hopped in the car if you weren't ready to do the dash Meaning you know go on a high-speed chase and so they turn the lights off and they just go a hundred an hour and the cops stops following them. Are you played? I want to see this ride that I'm gonna go back 30 seconds Press play let me hear the audio for cops. They said they'd had the car for over a week now That's a hundred five miles an hour. No, no, not yet This is before the cops rule was getting hotter and hotter to drive by the day no less than two minutes into our drive I began to hear police sirens. Perhaps naively I assumed the Kia boys would just pull over and try to talk their way out of it, but no. Swervo dipped onto a service road and hit the

gas approaching 110 miles per hour. You're sitting outside of your inside. I'm sitting in the back seat. He turned off the laser. By some stroke of luck the cops stopped pursuing us. I'm not in the backseat. He turned off the laser. By some stroke of luck, the cops stopped pursuing us. I'm not sure why. Oh, now I know why. My adrenaline is...

The cops don't pursue... Time seems to move in hyper speed. ...high speed chases with stolen cars because they figure like it's such a public safety risk. You know what I mean? If it's a residential street, they don't want two cars going 105 miles an hour because they could kill a pedestrian or something. So the cops, they abandoned us. Not abandoned us, they stopped following us. And then I told them to drop me back off at the McDonald's. And then, so my plan was like, I want to document these guys, but I don't want to be in this situation again. So I gave them my camcorder for the night.

And I said, you guys, I know you guys are going to go steal cars. I don't want to come with you. I don't condone that. But just do me a favor and take this camcorder from Best Buy and just film yourself. What a great concept. Literally. And were they honest enough that they brought it back to you? Yeah, you want to watch the footage? Do you have it? Yeah, it's in this video. Where's it at?

At the end or? If you skip ahead 10, 15 seconds, right there. Press play, let's see what they, this is them. Then goes to put a cheap USB cord into the ignition. Let's watch this. I think it's got the update. He says the car is a dud. The driver recently installed the anti- Let's watch this. I think it's got the update. He says the car is a dud. The driver recently installed the anti-theft software update.

So this is all filmed. They had to find something else. Just a few cars down, he locates a 2010 Kia Forte and starts all over. Oh, he cut himself. After successfully activating the engine with a USB cord, Swervo's on the move, and I'm following close behind, genuinely curious as to what his plan is. Swervo begins driving as fast as he possibly can, then comes to a stop and tells me, it's time to turn up. Alright, let's turn up.

So yeah, that's their planet, they just start swerving. They're really like 16 years old. Like they swerve for like 20 minutes and then they just abandon the car. You're joking. So they don't go sell the car. They just... Well apparently like they sell it to their like older brothers for I think 250 dollars. Then they go to the mall and get shoes and the weed socks. And what do the older brothers do? Crime. Real crime. Well not this, I'm not saying this isn't a real crime but like like, you know, robbing people, you know, This is low-level stuff. Yeah, they sell drugs and stuff. What was your experience? When you're on the flight coming back, what are you saying to yourself?

Well, I didn't even put this in the documentary, but I guess the cops had still been following us. So I go back to the Red Roof Inn in Bridgeport, and the cops knock on the door, and they're like, Do you see anybody with a stolen car around here? And I was like, dude, I don't know what you're talking about. Dude, I don't know what you're talking about. I think. I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, I was. Wow. I flew home.

So you didn't get arrested. Even when you put this up, cops never got ahold of you. No, they might after this podcast though. They might after this podcast. Thankfully, the Kia boys are no longer stealing Kia's. But yeah, after that, that was a classic example of just me taking it too far in the field with the documentaries.

Like if I was to look back or looking forward in my own life, I'm not gonna get in the back of any stolen cars with 16 year olds in Connecticut or any other state for that matter. Maybe in Fort Lauderdale. Maybe, oh Broward County's got some pretty good drill music. I don't know if you know about that. Is it really?

Yeah, it's called 954 Fast Pitch. It's like Broward's kind of version of drill. They take rap songs and they speed them up 1.25 times so it kind of sounds like Alvin and the Chipmunks, but that's like the pompano beach like the water hill sound Oh shit, you got to get one of those guys on the podcast. You ever listen to Ben Shapiro? I used to yeah for sure and I listen to him He sounds like he talks in 1.5 Ben Shapiro talks fast his speed is so fast Like you know when you watch a podcast on Spotify you can listen on 3.5

And I can handle it the only person I can listen to 3.5 is him. Yeah, he really spins. I have to put a 1.5 because he's like, Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr The guy he did it with is actually good. What's his name? What's the guy he actually did it with is good. He's actually got good stuff. But what is the guy's name? He is really good. The guy right there, bottom second line. Tom McDonald.

Tom McDonald. He's actually good. Yeah, Tom McDonald. My favorite Trump rappers are 4G Otto Blow, Bez Believe, and Bryson Gray. Those are the top three. Bez Believe. Yeah, Bez Believe. I met him at Hempfest. He used to sell those weed lollipops that are like medicated with CBD. He became a hardcore Trump rapper, but he's still like thugged out Florida style. Bez Believe, B-E-Z-Z Believe, he's a cool dude.

And yeah, he's my favorite right-wing MC right now. Right-wing MC. You like Lil Pump? Yeah, but I wouldn't call Lil Pump a conservative MC. Lil Pump is just kind of a product of the bygone SoundCloud rap era. If that scene was still continuing, I don't think he would have done the Trump appearance. Got it. Okay, let's go to the next one, Rob. Next one I want to go is the Tesla rally. Yeah. What was that like? Going to the Tesla, protesting the rally. What was that like?

I actually sent correspondence there. I sent my friend Albie here to the Tesla boycott in Palo Alto. I was in Jamaica for an anniversary trip at the time when this was going down. Then I sent another friend of mine to the one in Burbank. But yeah, it was kind of interesting, with the Tesla boycott movement. I see it as a broader offshoot of the anti-Elon stop the coup movement.

But then at some point after that began, they started targeting Tesla factories directly. And their idea was that if they lower Tesla stock price, that will in turn take away from Elon's economic power, which would disempower Trump in some capacity. Right. And again, this goes back to the Joker to me, because in the movie Joker, Elon would be Batman and Joker would be the guys that are going after him right it's funny we're in DC is it January 20th is it inauguration round yes so we go to this post CPAC it was actually CPAC was a CPAC inauguration no cuz CPAC cuz we went after CPAC we had the invite okay so we're in DC we're in DC and there's

this Doge party and a guy invites us to go to this Doge party and apparently Elon's gonna be showing up So we go to this party. I take my 13 year old son. They're upstairs watching if you pull up one of the clips Rob Someone else who reported it was reported all over the place. There's a couple of them. So we're there We're walking pause it pause it Rob. So can we can hear it? So we're walking we get outside There's the protesting across the street. I Decide to walk up to these guys to just talk to them. What's my 13 year old son? Pretty bad call I think.

Pretty bad call I think. I don't think you're wrong. Well watch this, this is my curiosity here. Go ahead and play the clip. Go ahead. No, that's not people. That's anybody's people. No! Faces out of PC! Faces out of PC! Faces out of PC! This is the wrong clip, Rob, because the one is you gotta show the clip. So that one I can show you guys, but we can't show because it's copyrighted content. Oh, didn't we record it or no?

I can look for the best version is this one right here, but these are the can't show this as copy Yeah, well, why don't you show it so he can see it and the audience you know? You guys can tweet this and see this is me talking to the guy Just to kind of see where's that the guy in the ball to the right is a federal agent look what he does to him Look at the spit coming up Look at the spit coming up. Look at this. Oh, that was a real loogie, damn. Yeah. It gives me real nostalgic flashbacks seeing somebody with a MAGA hat next to somebody with an N95 mask on. Those are the two real genders. Here's a question for you. Do you, when you're out

there, well you've not been out there, maybe your guys that came back, there's always, you know always numbers that show up that some of these guys are paid agitators and paid protestors. When you've been out there, whether it's the Luigi Mangione or any of the other stuff, do you ever ask them the question or did you guys get paid to do this?

Yeah, it's typically not true. Typically not true? Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen a paid protester. I mean, it's a narrative that gets pushed a lot, which makes sense because there is NGOs that organize protests, but they're making that decision to do the pro like, okay, they're groups that receive funding who decide themselves to protest, and they use some of that funding to do stuff like, you know, make signs, but they're still making the decision most of the time. It's not like someone like George Soros is like, hey, go over there and have a sign that

says Elon sucks. It's them being genuinely upset and thinking, okay, cool, let's use some of this funding to have to do something. On the other hand, I have actually seen though, paid protest groups go into places that are more radical like Portland and Seattle and disrupt, you know more direct action movements Like for example, I remember in Portland, Oregon during the crazy summer of 2020 there were organizations I'm not gonna say the name that were basically paid by the city of Portland and the state itself To go into the protest groups and encourage non-violence

So all the protest groups that I've seen that are paid are mostly like peacemakers that are represent by the state I wouldn't say that I think the paid protest or thing is like super overblown. Have you asked them? Yeah, for sure. I just know a lot of them, you know what I mean? So let me tell you what came up this came out with the AOC rally during the AOC rally They were like, hey, we had 34,000 people there but GPS data analysis revealed that the number was closer to 20,000 still big but not record-breaking and it continues saying a whopping 84% of the devices had shown up at at least nine other protests including Antifa, BLM events, Pro-Mahs,

Pro-Palestinian demonstrations, the Kamala Harris campaign, so 84% of them and over 30% of them had attended 20 or more. That makes sense to me I feel like people who protested for you know for a living and go to rallies. Watch the rest of it. Watch the rest to me. I feel like people who protest for a living and go to college is kind of their lifestyle. But watch the rest of it. Watch the rest of it. Data analysts say the crowd was anything but organic. The majority were tied to activist networks

like Disruption Project, Indivisible, Democratic Socialists of America, Rise and Resist, and Troublemakers, all reportedly funded by ActBlue and some receiving backing by via USAID, Optics Over Authenticity. The playbook hasn't changed, just the targets. This is from Zero Hedge. some receiving backing by via USA, USA optics over authenticity. The playbook hasn't changed just the targets. This is from zero hedge.

Yeah, I was at the Bernie Sanders AOC rally doing some interviews three days ago in Bakersfield, California. And I just think there's a big difference between NGOs and political groups and parties that receive some level of funding and then decide to go to the events as opposed to like direct orders.

The people who are showing up, they may have be receiving some level of funding, you know, in a nebulous way, but they believe what they're doing. It's not as if when you say paid protest, it kind of suggests that they don't actually feel that way that they're just showing up simply because they received orders from the person that's cutting them a check. I think there's a mix and it's easy to cast them. It's easy, especially when you disagree with someone to think they can't actually think that.

They must be paid to show up. But, you know, the Democratic Socialists of America, they are there with their clipboards asking people to donate and volunteer and sign up. But you know, I think there's some element to organization. But a lot of people just, you know, the protest crowd is relatively small and they show up to everything. You think it's small? Well, the same people that went to 2020 protests for George Floyd are the same people that

were protesting Israel on college campuses, are the same people who vote for AOC and Bernie. It's kind of like a, it's a demographic. You know, it's kind of like, I'm willing to bet that a solid percentage of the people that showed up to a Trump rally here in Florida probably also have been to five or more Trump events in the past five years. Yeah, but that's different because what it says is if somebody's been to 20 or more you don't have a life to go to 20 or more It's impossible to go to 20 or more unless if you don't have a job and if 34 percent have been to 20 or more So maybe not majority. Let's say 50 percent is real. Let's say 60 percent is real

Let's say 70 percent is real, But the 33% that's showing up who has been to 20 or more, you have to kind of speculate and say, who's paying these guys to be over here? Well, I think when you say real, 100% of them believe what they're saying. The question is I mean, I've been to a bunch of rallies. I can't think of a single rally where I've interviewed a protester where they're just straight up lying. You think those guys that stepped up to us and they spat on us, do you think they fully believe in what they're talking about?

Oh yeah, dude, for sure. I think you don't spend enough time around internet leftists, man. They really think that. Like, those people are really... I don't disagree with you, but also at the same time, when you see the funding, the paper chill of Soros and what he's done with his money, there's plenty of track into what he's doing as well. I mean, what about people on the other hand who like funding the Trump campaign? What about his top donors?

But to me the way I would look at that your your counter argument to that would be What about the fact that Elon Musk spent 250 million dollars to win, Pennsylvania? Right guess what the answer to that is what it's open But the money is what if you do this. Here's what it is. I just think Citizens United should be repealed It's crazy that corporations can be so powerful that they can speak more than a human being possibly could, even though, I mean, how much, what's the, how many, before Citizens United, what was the maximum amount of money that a person could donate to a political campaign? Oh, by the way, I would love that. You know, never happened. Yeah, I would also love to get the lobbyist out, but it would never happen. It would never happen. One of the first steps to it is if they're

able to get Big Pharma from that advertising, that's a first step. Because out of all the countries, only two countries are allowed to advertise Big Pharma, us and New Zealand. Did you know that? Oh shit, really? In Europe they don't have commercials for Occo. You cannot. You cannot. Yeah, so it says that individual contributions to candidates could only be as much as $2,400 per election to a federal candidate, so $4,800 total per cycle.

And then after the Citizens United is passed, you have corporations who are donating millions and millions, if not hundreds of millions, to political campaigns. They use that money to then subsidize large-scale advertising campaigns and different PR optics to put themselves in front of it. Sure. Okay. So, go this.

Who do you think gives more money? You think the bigger companies give more to the left or the right? It depends what you're talking about. Because back then, of course, it would have been the left, or not the left, the liberals, the progressives, the Democrats. What do you think it is today? I would assume, well, there's so much, that's the thing, there's a second sort of deep state I believe forming around here. This may not help you by the way, because a lot of, okay, so do you know by company,

how much leftist companies, big fortune 500 companies give to the Democratic Party versus the Republican, do you know the dollars? You know how much? You ever seen this? Is it a breakdown of it? Oh dude, I love the fact that you're seeing this for the first time. But I mean Elon, Zuckerberg, Bezos, they all support Trump right? No no but watch watch what happens here. You're gonna see where this goes. This isn't it Rob. Nope there's one that says Brandon Humberto if you guys can send this to Rob there's one that shows it's not this one there's another one that shows 98 percent 97 percent 96 percent you have it We've shown that once before maybe eight months ago

And we have that chart, but the the it breaks down by company on what they gave 2024 2020 2016 you will be blown away by this number so even if we get rid of that I'm curious to see it just because that's just all wasted money. Well, but watch it. I mean. Watch it here.

Watch to see what happens. It's that one right there, Rob. The second lane, third one. Yeah. Zoom in. Okay, watch this. This is blue, left, red, Republican. But I mean, even those top companies like that top blue

donor is Facebook we know that Mark Zuckerberg is now partial to Trump he's not running against that's not that's not about being partial to Trump that's where the money is going so you think that as political but just watch this thing on this for a second following no no your argument was the fact that citizens if they get rid of companies being able to give to big super packs and this number is even further opposite side today. That's 2017. It's worse today for 2024, Rob, if you do have it. Just stay on that one right now to just kind of show that until we go to the next one and

these guys will send it. You will see the numbers. Look at that. Facebook, Apple, Microsoft, Intel, Oracle, BlackRock, Charles Schwab, IBM, Cisco. This is Trump. Trump you go down There's also a significant amount of money being given to political campaigns Exxon Las Vegas Sands Morgan Stanley Lockheed Martin Goldman Sachs Delta Johnson & Johnson. Those are all giving Equal amounts if not more it's more it's more to the go. Okay, just look at the chart here

You have to be able to see it. Can you tell me where 50% is? I see what you're saying. Go to where 50% is right there. So go up. You're right. The bottom what? One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. Give more to the right than the left.

But now let's count. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21. 21 is left, only 9 is right. So the control, if they stop doing that, liberals get their money from the wealthy. Billionaires support more liberals than they do conservatives. As weird as it is. No, I actually agree with that 100%. And just to clarify, I mostly agree with you. Like, I'm not a supporter of the Democratic Party either. So I mean, I actually agree with that 100% and just to clarify I mostly agree with you like I'm not a supporter of the Democratic Party either so I mean I I just I get that but I also see that as you're going through this process when you're going to

It the one thing that is phenomenal to see is the data to show What's going on with it? Eventually Zuck realized he f'd up because I think Zucks play Rob when did Zuck come out and talk about the fact when he put that tweet out about Joe Biden and his camp Forced them to take down some content and a 400 million dollars. I regretted one was that tweet Do you remember when that tweet was all this 27th? 2024 can you can you put that tweet and pull it up do you know this?

This I'm assuming goes back to his Joe Rogan podcast where he wore the gray t-shirt and he was like kind of admitting that the Biden Administration was pressuring him to take down Posts on Facebook related to what he saw as covin 19 missinfo. So you see the timing of it though You know when the timing of that tweet was the timing of that tweet if you can find a tweet Just go to the tweet if you can the timing of it was It's important to see the dates So I think this is the part where... So he wrote a letter, I have the letter, August 26, 2024, to Jim Jordan.

That's right, and he says what? I appreciate the coming days, there's a lot of talk right now in the US, and the Russian metal, I want to be clear about our position, our platform is for everyone. Wow, holy shit. We're about promoting speech and helping people connect in a safe and secure way. As part of this, we regularly hear the governments

around the world, da, da, da, da, da. In 2021, senior officials from the Biden administration, including the White House, repeatedly pressured our team for months to censor certain COVID-19 content, including human satire, and expressed a lot of frustration with our teams when we didn't agree. Ultimately, it was our decision decision whether or not to take the Content down and we own our decision including kovat 19 related changes we made to our enforcement in a wake of this pressure

I believe the government pressure was wrong and I regret that we were not more outspoken about it I also think we made some choices that with the benefit of hindsight and new information We wouldn't have made today like I said to our teams at the time I feel strongly that we should not compromise our content standards due to pressure from any administration either direction, and we're ready to push back if something like this happens again.

In a separate situation, the FBI warned us about a potential Russia disinformation operation from about the Biden family and Burisma in late of 2020 election, that fall when we thought on a New York Post. So he's explaining that they effed up, right? You know what? But what's the date? Go for it. So he's explaining that they effed up, right? You know what? But what's the date?

Go for it. I don't think that Zuckerberg would have done that if he thought Trump was gonna lose. I agree. Yeah, because realistically, he's doing that as a concession because he's worried about retribution with the new Trump presidency.

And he's seeing power shift, right? And he wants to be on the right side of history because he knows that he's gonna lose his financial backing to go against. Or could it be that he realized he was wrong? Well, I think that if you people always ask me Why do you think Trump won and I think that Facebook censorship in 2020 played a huge role in that I've said it before it was like a collective

T on him and square moment for so many people who are critical of the vaccine and lockdown mandates Because whenever you're banned from a social media platform Your first logical next step is I'm banned because I'm speaking the truth, not I'm banned because I'm propagating misinformation that's going to be harmful to people. You think if the establishment, if a large social media company takes little old me's page down for expressing my first amendment right and saying my opinion about the Moderna vaccine or something like that, whether it's right or wrong, you feel that you're on the you are an anti-establishment person who is inherently telling the truth that's being censored by the greater machine.

And so someone like Trump comes along and he's seen by them as being like the arbiter of truth and justice. And so Mark Zuckerberg and all those people during 2020 who colluded to deplatform people are paying for their mistakes big time. So they were wrong. De-platforming people is wrong. No, but they were wrong about the position they took that they didn't allow any argument about vaccine or that the lab lead came from China that you know forcing military personnel to take the vaccine or else you got to get out or

other doctors who are licensed from major institutions who practice medicine who had an opposing position towards the vaccine. Those videos were taken down by channel five like literally KKLA or KTLA. I was like we didn't take it down. No, not you but channel five in California. They were taken down because of this and then today White House comes out with this. The lab leak origin leak origin Rob if you can go a little bit lower I think this is the today or yesterday today the proxmo proximal origin of kovat 9th co the SARS cove to cover to Publication which was used repeatedly by public health officials and the media to distract the lab leak was

Prompted by dr. Anthony Fauci to push the preferred narrative that kovat 19 was originated naturally by Dr. Anthony Fauci to push the preferred narrative that COVID-19 was originated naturally. The virus possesses a biological characteristic that is not found in nature. Two, data shows that all COVID-19 cases stem from a single introduction to humans. This runs contrary to previous pandemics where there were multiple spillover agents.

Three, Wuhan is the home of China's foremost SARS research lab, which has a history of conducting gain-of-function research, gene altering, and organism supercharging and inadequate biosafety levels. Four, Wuhan Institute of Virology, researchers were sick with COVID-like symptoms in the fall of 2019, months before COVID-19 was discovered at the wet market, number five, by nearly all measures of science, if there was evidence of a natural origin,

it would have already surfaced, but it hasn't. Rob, is there something to go lower to it? This is it, that's the Wuhan Institute of Virology, that's the Huonan Seafood Market. That's where the pangolin bat sandwich was, which is what the story was. Yes, go a little bit lower. and then what does this say here? The gain of function, they broke all of it down. A Crane government themselves, they didn't get a function.

It go a little bit lower up to see what that one is saying. Is there anything with data? So this is now coming out today. So think about it. While we're sitting here and you think about Anthony Fauci, who was, we were supposed to be told he was the sexiest man on earth See this type in Guardian typing Guardian Guardian Guardian Sexiest man on earth, maybe he is maybe our taste is bad. Maybe we got to get our act together I mean you got to look him up when he's younger to see if he's got some more Don't question it listen I don't Don't question the integrity of mainstream media that says sex if they say he's the sexiest man alive just receive it, bro

I don't understand this with Gen Z's. I mean you guys challenge this a little bit too much so anyways, but the part is this is where America cuz you Alright, I don't know can the audience see this headshot of Fauci right here? This is a Zoolander blue steel face right here. That's a good look though, bro. Listen, Brad Pitt's got nothing on Anthony Fauci. Look at that. Ryan Gosling, forget about it.

Right? Robert Redford Young, hell no. Right? McQueen. You got James Dean. Anthony Fauci? Damn, dog. Look at that. Sexy. I wanted to back up just a little bit. McQueen, you got James Dean, Anthony Fauci, damn dog, look at that, sexy. I wanted to back up just a little bit to a miscalculation that Zuckerberg,

Susan Wojcicki and others made during that time, is they forgot that the internet itself is actually free. A lot of people when they talk about censorship, they're talking, they're existing within the big four. Back then was Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and I guess it was TikTok. But the reality is you can still make a website and say pretty much whatever you want

within the confines of free speech protections. I can start andrewsopinions.com and I can say anything. It's just a matter of getting traffic to the website. And what happened after they removed people from Facebook is in shutting down that discourse, people created alternative platforms that had a huge resurgence and actually emergence during that time as well.

Gab, Parler, Rumble, BitChute. And so what you did is you took them away from the public discourse and the marketplace of ideas and you put them into a tighter echo chamber amongst each other to where more fringe beliefs like the QAnon stuff were able to incubate in a smaller focus group and they just kind of exploded. And that wouldn't have happened if the surface net was existing as it is. Now you might say that, okay, this may have stopped some of the Q stuff

from spreading and infecting the brains of, you know, hundreds of millions of people and was maybe focused on seven or eight, but those seven or eight million of people who are under absolute political hypnosis during the 2020 election, you know, are still suffering from that to this day. Listen, so funny, when you say that,

we forget up until 2024, when did, when was, no, up until October of 2022, it's not a long time ago, 2 1 1 2 years ago, mainstream media had a show called Uninfluenced, period. Period. There was a guy named Dr. Mike who was like the YouTuber and he would always have Anthony Fauci on. He agreed to come to our podcast three times

and he was gonna talk to this lady who used to work with Anthony Fauci. Last minute he bailed, I would never do this and I never agreed, you agreed to it. We have the text documentation of him agreeing to come to it. I would never come to all this other stuff. Okay We were supposed to think he knew where he knew it all and I was the way to go We can't question anything with the vaccine stuff. No, no, no, ouchies God and we got to go with the lead and then and then Musk buys

Twitter in October 27 2022 then what happens Trump is back on X which he rarely uses Trump comes back on YouTube Trump's come comes back on Facebook and Instagram then everybody follows lead then content creators can go back to sharing their opinions then content creators a lot of them were kind of like hey here's what I believe for us we got a lot of strikes I don't know how many strikes you've gotten but we got a lot of strikes. I don't know how many strikes you've gotten, but we got a lot of strikes. You got one?

In the era of 2019 to 2022, we got many strikes. Our channel would be like, hey, you're one away, you're two away, you're one away, you're two away, and once you get three, they can do a lot of things to you if they choose to. Yeah. So what happened in October of 2022, when you're saying, when you're saying,

hey, you know, they kind of got it wrong and they kind of did this, we didn't have a, market didn't have a choice. You couldn't speak about the opinions that you had. Then when they could, when they realized they effed up, then the populace realized, ah shit, we were right. We were right about the stuff. Trump wasn't gonna start World War III. Never did in the first term.

The economy was doing good until COVID happened. Oh shit, Russia and Ukraine happened under, I thought Biden was peace. Multiple major wars on a guy that's supposed to be peace. So that's when the markets finally like, look dude, I've had it. You win seven battleground states and every state becomes more Republican

than they were before. And the two states that became more Republican are the two states that lost a trillion dollars or what that left so even after they left they became even more Republican That's like a landslide type of a victory that Reagan had back when he won against Mandela or whoever it was Yeah, it's a very interesting time what happened to it so to me I think a part of it is also you know, it's a different social media now the last two and a half years than what it was 2019 to 2022. Those were dark times for a lot of people.

Yeah, definitely. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, absolutely. And I think that right now is a pretty good time for social media comparatively to then. Yeah. Yeah. What was the anti-vax when you went to, what was that like?

Oh man. So I mean, the anti-vax rally, the one that I went to was an, obviously it was taken down by YouTube, but that was the first major anti-lockdown rally. Why was it taken down? You know. Same thing? Just like bots. What was the craziest thing that somebody said?

I mean, this is a pre-vaccine era. This is before the vaccine rollout happened. What year was that? This is in April 2020. Oh my God, so peak. Oh no, that Hollywood anti-vaxxer is like a year later. If you look up coronavirus lockdown protest, August no breaks, you will find the video

that was removed by YouTube. Yeah, but that was like at the California state capital in Sacramento. Is that the one? Right after it popped off. Is this it? Yeah, as you can see. So this is the one they took down?

This is the one that was taken down. So it starts with this clip? Yeah. I wanna hear what the first thing is to see what ups at YouTube. Go ahead I got every problem with the government saying we can't go out as a prohibition It's illegal if it gets the Constitution. I'm immune compromised Today I put that at risk today because I gotta be here

Are you scared to die? No more stand and I am for anything else. Freedom! Freedom! Freedom! Freedom! Freedom! Freedom!

Freedom! Freedom! Yeah, so that was like, that was when it first popped off. Open up! You don't have a right! You cannot do this to me! How many people own the news companies? How many? Well, you tell me. Three or four? How many does Disney own? How many people own the news companies how many will you tell me three or four?

How many does Disney? Oh, how many how many I don't know well, maybe you ought to find out you're in the media Are you yeah, but I'm independent Independent media me and this guy's got all gas no breaks That's the idea I don't have a badge This shit was crazy, man, i'm giving some flashbacks this is april of 2020 the peak and this is in la or this is this is sacramento at the california state capitol And as you can see we were I was like, I don't know if you were right How you felt when the when the thing first happened, but I was definitely nervous, you know, pre-vaccine, you know, all that.

It was a pretty unsure time for people. I think that that caused many to gravitate toward the extreme directions. You had people who were like, I'm never going to wear a mask. One guy here had a shirt that said, cough in my face. And he was saying, everybody cough in my face. I don't care who you are, young, sick, old, cough in my face. I will show you and then you had people who were literally like refusing to go outside of their house I remember in Seattle with the community that I grew up with right like if you had a

Picnic at a public park and you hadn't you didn't have a mask on and there was five or more people Somebody would walk by you with their phone Take a picture of you and it would circulate all on social media and it would say this is a super spreader and you could lose your job because of that. So there was like a mutual polarization and I would argue that we're still living in 2020. You think? People's brains have never recovered man. I think the 5% you're probably right. I know I do. Think about it man like okay so I would actually argue we're still living in the 1960s but if you think 60s you know the divisions that were planted there

You know what I mean as far as like red scare and then people's movements being anti It's kind of we're still living if you're breaking it down like that Yeah, yeah But I think I think the level of fear that you had in 2020 in April you probably don't have today with kovat Oh another level of fear, but I mean the way people perceive politicians and reality is very 2020 coded still to this day Even if people don't, you know. But they divided America. Oh yeah.

The mainstream media divided America in a major way. They convinced Americans that Trump was with Russia until they realized Hillary Clinton funded that whole thing. And I think Trump convinced Americans to look at people with masks as like these moronic sheep that are worthy of harassment. Well, some of them are.

Yeah, I mean, I just- You know, like for example, when, I remember one time, Rob, can you put up the picture I posted of the lady that was in the car driving? I don't know if you have this or not. So during COVID, I used to love watching people. Let me see if I can find this. Let me see if I can find this.

This is so funny if I can find it. But yeah, when I would see guys wearing a fricking mask while they're driving in the car by themselves, is this me, Rob? Do it again, go back to it. Yeah, this is it. That's it, I can tell it's gonna be a good one. What are you doing? So this person's not a... you weren't a mask in the car by yourself. You think that's normal?

But you know, part of you, doesn't part of you kind of feel bad for this people? No, I don't. You know why? Let me explain to you why. I don't feel bad because if, yeah, that's the second picture, Rob. If you can put the second picture,

I think it's the second one to the left, top left. That's the one I think. Click on it. Driving alone, yeah, this is it. Driving alone with a mask on is like going to bed alone with a condom on. Like, what are you afraid of? You're not gonna get an STD.

But you gotta think, like, they're under algorithmic hypnosis like the other half of the country, and they're being told every single day that there's a new variant. They're glued to their phone, six hours of screen time is like the national average in 2020. So they're constantly being fed this fear stuff. Much like people on the far right were also being fed

a similar type of fear content, outrage machine. Like what? Give me the fear on the right. Probably, oh my gosh, the QAnon stuff? No, not QAnon, give it to me from conservative media, like mainstream versus liberal media mainstream, not QAnon people. Oh, I mean, that was the dominant thread of 2020.

I'm not going Antifa people. No, no, I'm just going to stick to mainstream media, what the conservative right was saying that was selling fear porn versus what the liberal left was saying selling fear porn. They both sold fear porn, but what was it? I think that the democratic censorship on major social media platforms pushed people in the conservative activist movement into small fringe platforms where they were being fed, queuing on stuff more so than they were mainstream press.

And that was a direct blowback. I mean, obviously mainstream liberal media at the time was telling people not to go outside to social distance and to be wary of anybody without a mask on. And also there was a, the right-wing machine was telling people that you're, you're gonna turn to a communist country and all your freedoms are gonna be taken away.

There's a cabal of baby-eating pedophiles that are connected to Epstein Island who are controlling the entire world. So there was just mass exaggerations on both sides. But on the podcast, yes. On the podcast world, when it's coming to, what are you saying, the baby-eating, what was that, what is the thing called

that you drink it, you age backwards? Adrenochrome. Adrenochrome, right. And so for me, yeah, for sure. Some people say that, that's kind of weird when they say that. I get it. But I'm saying mainstream, mainstream. On mainstream, if they said, if you give up too much control, this could be a step away

from communism, it's partly not wrong if you give up too much control. We were told that our kids can't go to school and you're telling them to stay home for a year and a half and people left California and New York. Yeah, that's crazy shit. You and I don't know what that is. When you went to school, you didn't have to stay home for a year and a half.

Imagine how hard it is on the wife and the mother and on the mom and the father trying to make the marriage work and pay bills and get the job and you lose the job and you lose the restaurant you lose the business. That's policies from the left that destroyed all these things. So they destroyed America for a year and a half. But what did the right do? The right was telling you don't believe it.

Question it. Even libertarians said don't believe it. Even libertarians became excited with Trump. Some of them did die though, like Herman Cain. Well, some of them did die. Herman Cain, yeah, there are some that died. There's more than just Herman Cain that died. There was a lot more than that. But that's not the point. The point is, you have a choice. If you drive a car on the freeway, somebody hits you, you're going 100 miles an hour, it's your choice. You kill yourself, you're dead. You're going to your death. There's choices

that you got to make. but if it's all control Yeah, you want me to sit you and give you them by the way right now like one of the conversations that's coming up here In the office was about What do you call it the personal ID? Are you real on this the real ID? Oh, yeah, that's like when you go to the airport now You can't just give them your driver's license We're gonna have this real ID with like the star is that what I said with like the face scanner thing, right? Yeah, like we're going in that direction. Some people are not comfortable with that

And these are people that are conservative that are not comfortable with that with Trump that voted for Trump so this isn't like just a Community that's all-in like even if I voted for Trump. I'm 100% in now Yeah I think that one of the like ways that my logic is thinking some is kind of flawed sometimes is that I always have the impression That the conservative side is really united and that everyone's kind of rallying together with their support of Trump and Elon It's not like what are the major points of division right now within the conservative movement? Oh, dude. Are you kidding me? Like shit? Do you know what Steve Bannon is?

Yeah. So do you know who Howard Lutnick is? Is he connected to Steve? No, Howard Lutnick is... what's Howard Lutnick's job, Rob? What's Howard Lutnick's job? United States Secretary of Commerce. So he's the Secretary of Commerce. That's a heavy job, okay? Steve Bannon, who was a guy that helped Trump at the beginning when he's a Secretary of Commerce. That's a heavy job. Okay. Steve

Bannon, who was a guy that helped Trump at the beginning when he's coming up. Old school. Old school. Like he's a strategy guy, right? Have you seen what Steve Bannon has said about Howard Lutnick? I've only seen what Steve said about Elon, which he's like a foreigner or something. Yes. So the point is there is something going on on the conservative side. What's this about Rob? This is Steve Bannon. He calls in this clip, he calls Howard Lutnick an unmitigated disaster as the Secretary of Commerce. Go for it. Play the clip. To have a trading order that puts America first and puts American citizens first and most importantly starts to bring back high value added manufacturing to the United States and know Howard Lutnick is not gonna all be done by robots.

We're not doing this so we can set up so robots have a better life. In fact, I don't know why Lutnick's still doing media. Let me be blunt. Lutnick, who is Elon's pick for Secretary of Treasury, I think he's close to being an unmitigated disaster. We should see a lot less of Lutnick on TV, Hassett, Navarro, Jameson Greer, the trade rep,

and particularly Scott Besson. And I think Besson's being very smart in choosing and being very selective on the media. We have to have a clear message and people understand what the process is and we have a process. It's a very well thought through. And this is about, oh, by the way,

Miller should be, Stephen Miller should be doing more about trade and about this new economic order that we're trying to hammer through. This guy's got a big following by the way. Steve Bannon? Yeah. Oh yeah do you know that CPAC after CPAC who was number one for presidency for 2028? Who was who Rob? Trump? Or no it was JD Vance I'm sorry JD Vance was one. You know who was 231%? Him. Really? Damn, so there's kind of like different factional leaders

within the conservative thought. Oh, for sure. There is not 100% unity. No, no, there's not. Which by the way, that's good. But which issue is most divisive, not just in terms of people they look up to? Well, I mean, the issue that's divisive,

there's the America first, right? Which is like the people that hate, the policies that makes us first. America first, globalist, right? Nationalist, we're about America versus globalist. There's that part. There's a debate on some of these guys that are more, they're kind of like part of the establishment side

versus the anti-establishment, like, hey, we voted you in to do these things. How come you're not doing that? How come you're not going after these three or four or five issues that you we voted for you for? So and then the tariffs there is a camp and Republican Party. That's not for the way tariffs are going Yeah, I was at the Bernie Sanders rally. I told you in Bakersfield There was a guy there in a MAGA hat and he was like I just want to hear what Bernie has to say because these tariffs are destroying my business. He said that yeah

Well that would qualify for a paid agitator No, but that is the perfect way to confuse the hell out of somebody to come in you You know how much it costs to do something like that Hey, I'll give you $200 worth of maga head and just go say say this to that guy on the camera He'll use it to be fair. I was confused so mission success Yeah or Magahed and just go say this to that guy on the camera. He'll use it. To be fair, I was confused. So mission success. Yeah, so what I'm saying to you is that's that effective that a guy that gets billions of views,

I don't know how many total views you got. I'm assuming you got hundreds of social media views, if not over a billion total social media views. I got 600 million. On YouTube? Yeah, actually no, in total I probably have around a billion. No, you got over a billion, bro. Don't count YouTube, your TikTok, Instagram,

Facebook, Twitter, X everywhere. So you got over a billion views. That work with a guy like, your TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, X everywhere. So, so you got over a billion views. That work with a guy like you. So these are the things that we got to be thinking about on the Republican side. No, no, it's not. It's not what you think it is. So but all I'm saying is, during that time with COVID, dude, they gaslit the they gaslit the hell out of a lot of us mainstream media.

Did you ever do anything where you actually, ever have a moment where you were actually scared, like, holy shit, we gotta be careful with this, where your camera guys were made of the word? Oh, all the time. Where was that? Well, okay. What's the scariest one? I mean, personally, probably getting arrested by Border Patrol.

Oh, Rob, we have to do this. This, can you break down what you did here? Because this is absolutely edgy. Okay, so the video is called border patrol arrest. So let me first, before you watch this, let me tell you the purpose. This is when the border was wide open and there was a big migrant crisis happening.

So I wanted to see what it was like on the Mexican side, as far as the final step of actually meeting up with a coyote who was connected to the cartel and crossing the border, specifically over the river, because I wanted to get in the water as opposed to Be in the hot desert and so yeah, we did that I didn't actually I didn't realize that we were gonna cross the river until we got there But then I kind of put two and two together

And there was a guy that was collecting tax for the machete that he was like hitting against this tree in the distance And I was like alright fuck why I gotta get out of Mexico. I'm looking at America like, oh, home free finally. So you know, I link arms with the coyote. We cross the river. I get to the American side and I think that I'm good to go. The coyote is like, man, stay down. Like, you know, you can still get arrested. Like even if you're an American citizen, you can't just hop your own border.

And I was like, dude, I can hop my own border. I've been here my whole life. It's fine. So I walk up and then I get up and then the Border Patrol agent is like, you know stand up I stand up like I've done nothing wrong and he's like, you know, you just that's a felony, right? And I was like, what do you mean? He's like you have to go through a port of entry and I was like, oh shit My bad. Can I get a ticket or something? And he was like no, bro so he took me to a

processing center for migrants and Yeah, it was like hundreds of them wearing space blankets in this freezing room. They make it really cold. Did you record it or they didn't let you record it? I couldn't record this so we had a designer do like a 3d animation rendering of it. So I go into the room after being processed and like all the migrants like it was the worst day of their life obviously because they've just gotten caught trying to come into the US. You can hear the audio if you want to mute it because we hear it. It made their life.

Seeing a white guy walk into the holding tank, all these guys were having the worst day and they just stand up there just laughing like, what the hell did you do? What are you doing? And I speak Spanish. Do you have the clip of speaking to the coyotes? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go to the front row? I think speaking to the coyotes is where?

Earlier? Yeah. Okay. Well, I would say around the seven minute mark. Yeah. Earlier or right there? So that's the coyote who I blurred out and he was- Go back a little bit, Rob. Go back a little bit little because he starts talking. Okay, right there, right there. Right there. Right off the wire at all. It's a non-issue and a distraction designed to create controversy from afar. He says this is a perfect place to cross, but he's worried it's too deep.

Ya, Mexico. Y si el mira que está hondo, busca otro lado. Si no está hondo, pues por ahí pasamos los cuatro. Los cuatro agarrados. You can see my face, I'm like, ¿Ustedes van a pasar con nosotros? This may sound like amateur, but I didn't realize up until this point that we were actually going to cross the river ourselves. You can see my face. I'm like But I didn't realize up until this point that we were actually gonna cross the river ourselves I was expecting just like a tour of their route, but obviously they had other plans God damn it. It was also gonna cost us

$5,000 did you have this was not was also going to cost us $5,000 a piece. Did you have it? This was not discussed. But I wasn't sure what to do. At this point it became quite obvious that I was in far too deep. The coyote told me that after crossing the river we had to walk from Eagle Pass to Uvalde, Texas, which is over 67 miles on foot. How would this be possible? According to Apple Maps, it said it would take over 24 hours and we had no water. Plus, we apparently owed these guys $5,000.

Looking back, I would have asked to turn around, but we were in far too deep. And while they're being pretty cool, you never know when a switch could flip or something. Abruptly, the younger coyote asked me to duck down because a Border Patrol boat was speeding by. Something abruptly the younger coyote asked me to duck down because a border patrol boat was speeding by How you getting this footage we got that from Okay It's a little mountain. This is still a mountain. And after this mountain, the Americans will follow. Do you want to live in the US or what's about to happen next to you? I'm about to cross the border

and get arrested by Border Patrol. Go to the Border Patrol part when he's talking. Do you record when you're talking to Border Patrol? Yeah, yeah, yeah, right there. Go back a little bit. Is this it? Okay, press play. Yeah, this is now in the US.

Coyote's telling me to be quiet. Tirete, tirete, tirete, tirete, tirete. Let's be right there. Roly poly form. Hands up! Who is that? Come here, you! Speak English. Hands up!

Speak English? Get up! Let me see your hands. Got any guns on you? No sir. Face away from me. We're journalists. You, hands up! Get down! You have a P5 grand yet?

You too, you speak English? Yeah. Stand up. I couldn't believe it. Border Patrol had been watching us the entire time since we entered the forest. Yeah, I can clearly hear them swimming. And set up the English on the American side to apprehend us. You too, face away from me.

Walk backwards over here. Oh my god. Hey, menakawai. Immediately, my coyotes jumped back into the water, swimming back to Mexico. Come back. Come back. Over here.

Get over here. This left us alone in Border Patrol custody. There was one guy here. He obviously ran back. And then the two USCs right there. Watch. He grabs the camera, and it's still rolling. He doesn't even realize it's rolling.

That's a border patrol agent. No shit. That's perfect footage. Yeah. That's golden. Dude. Right? Wow.

Look at this. He's doing a great job. You should be a camera guy. This is pretty much a, this is a commercial for the US border patrol. This is like, these guys are great shooters literally. Yeah. Look at this cinematography. He's holding it like in a perfect eye level here or hip level. This is pretty much a commercial for the US border. This is like, these guys are great shooters, literally. Yeah, look at this cinematography. He's holding it like in a perfect eye level here, a hip level.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. We're sitting in the back of the car there. You can't see us, but. Come on, bro. Good for you. Right? You should have given him the $5,000. It doesn't get better than that.

No, wow. So now what happens? You go to jail? Yeah, well I went to a processing center and they just helped me. This is the one you were with a couple hundred other guys that got caught as well? Yeah, and they put me in a solitary confinement cell

for like three days. Did somebody say like, what are you thinking? Yeah, they understood, but like the immigration court system was so bloated because of the crisis that I couldn't get heard by a judge for like three days. As soon as she heard that I was an American citizen They just gave me a $10,000 fine and dropped me off at a gas station. You paid the fine? Yeah, I paid it. So you didn't pay the five thousand to the coyote but you paid the ten thousand to the government

I probably should pay the coyote Well, listen man that guy's probably upset he's like look dude I did my job. Yeah, well to be fair, I mean, I got arrested. They were supposed to help me get into the US. They're not arrested. No. So he didn't fulfill his commitment. No, not at all. That's disappointing, that's a good point.

Now you're a businessman. You want things to get done and then I'll pay you. Definitely. I'll think about paying you. But dude, it was horrible in there. It was the most depressing place I've ever seen in my life. What's the worst part about it? Just seeing like little kids covered in water

from the Rio Grande with sticks in their hair, crying hysterically with their moms as they're being, you know, detained by Border Patrol and put into freezing rooms where they're just screaming all night. And in my cell they had a TV and the movie The Matrix was playing and it was, but it was just the loading screen. I couldn't adjust it. So it was like play special features and it was the same song over and over again. And I finally got the jailer to change it to a different movie.

And they played the movie Marley and Me, the Owen Wilson film about the dog who passes away spoiler over and over again. So I had to watch Marley and Me for three fucking days. At least it's a decent movie, but I don't know for three days. I know every scene by heart. And so I get out and my mom calls me and she was like, you're taking years off my life. You can never do that again.

So not gonna do that again. So when are you going to Iran? Should I go? Well, I mean, listen, if you really wanna give your mom three years back, years back to her, you know, go back to Iran on the safest places. Are you a fan of Iran?

I would love to go back, but if we go to her, you know, go back to Iran on the safest places. Are you a fan of Iran? I would love to go back, but if we go to Iran, you would be arrested by guilty of association with me. Oh, they don't like you. No, they don't like me, but they would entertain you. Your family grew up there like... I grew up there. I lived there 11 years. Yeah. After 79?

78 through 89. So do you have a memory of that transition? Vivit. Geez. Yeah, I mean, I remember the war, maybe not the transition, but I remember the war. I remember what it was like. You think that condition you're thinking is an adult a lot. Do you think that condition like your way of thinking a lot, just experiencing such a drastic regime change? I value freedom and

I'm extremely paranoid with the government having too much power. And you know who I had here on the podcast three months ago I had the Islamic Revolutionary Guard founder Wow I had him here this is a guy who's direct report while they're in a building together he's on the fourth floor his direct reports on the first floor the building in Iran the direct report goes and puts a bomb kills the president of Iran and the prime minister. And then claims he's dead. This guy claims that his ashes are everywhere.

The entire country mourns for the president and the prime minister. You know, who is the people that they killed, Rob? It was the president and anyways, they killed the two leaders that they have. Two weeks later, they find that the killer's not dead. So the ceremony, anyways, this guy I want to have in our podcast, we're having a conversation together with him. I said, what's the first thing you guys did when Khomeini took over Iran? He said, we have to confiscate everyone's weapons.

I said, why is that? He said, well, it's the natural thing. We have to make Iran safer. I said, so you take the guns away from citizens, scare the crap out of them, now you have the guns? Yeah. That's the part where for a person like me that lived there, where I saw what happened with a beautiful country that fell all of a sudden like this, because Iranians never

thought this was going to happen, ever thought this was going to happen, and what's happened to the Middle East since then? It's been a shit show. What were the main promises that Khomeini promised to keep as far as like transforming Iran into a different society? You ready? Free food, free rice, free phones, free gas, free housing. Sounded like Bernie Sanders.

So it was the promise of free services without having to work for them? Everything was given. Take the money from the rich and give it to the poor. And I've heard that message here many, many times. You know how many times that's been tried? Many times. It always fails. Why? Because a person eventually gets so much power, that power they start abusing. And when they start abusing, it's not like, yeah, I can do whatever I want to do. The rest is history. So, you know, for me, I come from a different life that I witnessed what

happened and they got rid of this guy Shaw who made Iran an incredible place to be at where Frank Sinatra performed a concert in Iran in 1975. You probably don't even believe that. I do I mean the same thing in Havana it was Vegas 2.0 it's when you call the Godfather 2.0. That's right so similar stories Iran and Havana is actually good combination good comparison Cuba and Iran So do you think there's something about human nature that just you know, what once people? Hoard a tremendous amount of power. They just naturally gravitate toward corruption and human rights abuses You planning on having kids one day? Yeah, okay. It's one of the greatest gifts in life

There's no love like how a kid loves you nothing Not mom dad brother sister cousin girlfriend husband nothing nothing like a kid like liking you and you like girls you like guys what oh you get your straight I think girls I mean you're pro gay I thought maybe you're fully your girl I've got a girlfriend she's a girl real human woman but is she like a girl that guy that identifies as a girl no no no she's a straight-up lady hair and everything. Fantastic, congrats bro. Pardon the same camp, I'm proud of you. I appreciate the respect with which you asked that question.

You're like, wait, you support gaming? Are you gay? Listen, you can't assume nowadays, man. That was your number two point. Imagine if you were like, what's her name? And I got really offended. Larry. You're like, are you serious?

Why would you say that? She's a girl and she's probably watching. Yeah, but when you have a kid, let me tell you what'll happen. The way you're going, you're gonna make a lot of money. You're gonna make a lot of money. Again, if you don't screw it up, but the way you're going, you're gonna have a lot of great opportunities for you. Cause you're likable, you have that it factor,

you got the charm, charisma, you're very interesting as well. So when money comes, probably by the time you're 45, you're gonna be worth anywhere between 20 to $200 million. Okay, it's gonna be your network, whether you like it or not. That's gonna be your network. Could be higher, but that's a number that you're gonna have.

You're not gonna just say, hey kids, when you turn 18 years old, mommy and daddy's gonna give you all the money. You're gonna put some controls in place, right? I wanna make them work a regular job. Thank you. So that's the part. You're gonna have to earn a way to go while daddy worked, daddy put his life on the line, went to Mexico and freaking tried to swim over

and almost got killed. That's work. That's not easy. You risk a lot of things, right? To me, a part of that with here, where we are, I think we got to be you know the system of socialism and some of the ideas that they had It's tough if we don't expect people to have to earn it themselves and kind of give things out to await it And without having to earn it. It's it's a troubling place to be It's a challenging place to be and I'm overly paranoid if we do end up getting there one day I don't know very reasonable given the life experience. Yeah, and that's the part, you know, and I kind of wanted to know what your family life was when you said your parents used to be conservative, your father was conservative. Oh no, no, my parents were never. I mean, so I grew up in Philadelphia. I moved to Seattle when I was 12, but my grandparents were, you know, fiscally conservative. Grandparents.

Reagan era, like, but you got to think too, their parents were, you know, World War two veterans who after the GI bill were able to build homes in suburbia And so the baby boomers were the first suburban generation who got to experience that life with no wars until Vietnam But there was a solid 15 20 years of real American prosperity for them Where that where everybody with a good job was able to afford a house and live a fulfilling life My parents were probably a little bit more conservative oriented when I was really young, but I think that the war in Iraq really transformed that perception. The war on terror post 9-11, I think the early war on drugs and, you know, US intervention in Latin America as well really changed their perspective on things. So they were big-time Al Gore,

vegetarians. Even today, they're not very political, but my early political thinking was definitely more progressive. When I moved to Seattle, I started hanging out with a bunch of anarchists and more left-wing circles in high school. I went to school in the South. I went to New Orleans for college. And I got to know a lot more conservative-leaning people, learned about the Second Amendment and stuff like that, and got more exposure. And now I've lived on the road between different cities for a long time. So I'm definitely, like I said, more left--leaning but I'm very open to all perspectives and also I think that most people are generally well intentioned and I think

that also as a country what we need to be able to do is let some of the stubbornness go a little bit you know when you've committed to a certain way of thinking for a long time it's very it's kind of an ego blow to change your mind and I think that's kind of where we're at where a lot of people don't want to accept new information or different ideas because they've committed and they have so much emotion and passion behind this way of thinking that they've kind of nursed for a long time.

And so, like I said, if something positive happens in the next four years, I'll report on it. I just know that maybe communism, socialism isn't the way to go. Probably not. I don't know. I just know that what's happening right now isn't really functioning that well. And so I think that's why there's so many different political ideas happening right now this in my opinion There's more diversity of political thought now than there's been and guess what I love that. Yeah

That's why I say I'm excited about what you're gonna be doing I think you're very important and I think You can inspire a lot of younger guys that are gonna want to do what you're doing as well that are interested My 13 year old son would be fascinated by you. Literally, my 13-year-old son would have a 30-minute conversation with you and enjoy it because of where you're at. There's a lot of guys nowadays that are gonna look up to you.

12-year-old kids that are looking up to what you're doing because it's entertaining, it sounds fun, it's a little edgy, but also you're in pursuit of something. Let me see what they're going through. Anyways, do you want to tell us about the documentary before we wrap up, Deer Kelly? So Deer Kelly was my first independently released film. I did it direct to streamer, dropped on January 15th of this year. And so the whole thing was I didn't want to go through a

studio. I wanted to just drop it so you can rent it for $5.55 or buy it for $15.55 at DeerKellyFilm.com. It was a project that I've been working on for a really long time. It's kind of a project about radical right-wing stuff during the Biden years. Not so much now, you know, and it's... It's an interesting angle though. Yeah. Yeah, that the... If you want to tell the audience who the individual that influenced you at a time that you needed...

Yeah, so Kelly J. Patriot, Kelly Johnson is the protagonist of the film, and he's someone that I documented over the course of three and a half or four years. I first met him at a White Lives Matter rally in 2021, and I just, his instantly, his story resonated with me because he was kind of spouting off the typical talking points of that time, like Fauci's evil, Jeffrey Epstein,

Suez Canal's block, child trafficking, all the 2021 Flashpoint stuff. And then the second part of our conversation was all about a personal vendetta that he had against a guy who gave him a loan named Bill Joyner, who was like this guy who he took a loan from. And Kelly felt like he got his home stolen because of the situation. And I felt it was so interesting seeing how his personal vendetta and the collapse of his core needs spread into a greater spiritual political battle in the country. And so the documentary itself is documenting his journey throughout the course of these core needs, but into a greater spiritual political battle in the country. And so the documentary itself is documenting his journey throughout the course of these

four years as well as his family's intervention attempts to get him to turn the page. What a timing to follow for three and a half years. Yeah, I think the best documentaries in my opinion are the ones that are shot over a long period of time. It's very hard to create an amazing, compelling piece of documentary work when you only have three or three and a half months with a subject. I mean you can make it entertaining, you can add music and supplemental media to make it pop, but time is the true essence of a great film. I agree and that's why I'm excited to follow your journey. Yeah. And I look forward to having you on next time to see what you're going through. And by the

way, for those of you that are not watching, you're listening, we're gonna put the link below in the description, but those listening, it's dearkellyfilm.com. Again, dear, like D-E-A-R, Kelly, as in K-E-L-L-Y, film.com, dearkellyfilm.com. Put the link below as well for them to go watch. If you love him. Oh, we just hit three million subscribers.

Oh, congratulations, buddy, that's sick! He just said it right before the podcast, we're 50 away million subscribers! Congratulations, buddy! That's sick! He just said it right before the podcast. We're 50 away. Boom! 3 million subscribers on 149 videos. That's a good feeling. Sick. Congratulations to you and happy early birthday.

So again, go to the site, support him. Andrew, it's been a pleasure having you on. This was amazing. Thanks for having me, man. I appreciate it. Appreciate you for coming on and I look forward to doing this again in the future. Yeah, I'll see you when I'm 35. I look forward to it. Take care, buddy. Thanks, man. I appreciate it. Appreciate you for coming on and I look forward to doing this again in the future. Yeah, I'll see you when I'm 35. I look forward to it. Take care, buddy.

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