PBD Podcast - Tim Pool Breaks Down His Fall Out With Vice | PBD Podcast | Ep. 266 | Part 1

Episode Date: May 8, 2023

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So our guest today is kind of a big deal. Okay, I mean, if you go on YouTube, you're gonna find this stuff. He's all over the place. He's loud, he makes people think, he pisses people off, he's gotta follow in. Some days you love him, some days you hate him, but no matter what you're thinking about this guy, and he's got another guy, Ian,

a Moore Lord, a Moore Lord. A Moore guy, Ian, Ian, the moon lord. The moon lord. The moon lord. I'm learning about you as well. You're 44 years old, which is an incredible age. Very, very good age. But let me introduce Argyz Timpul, his background. He is an American political commentator and podcast host

who first became known for live streaming the 2011 Occupy Wall Street protest. He joined vice media and Fusion TV in 2014 later working on YouTube and other platforms. By the way, this guy went from saying he's not a journalist, he's an activist and he said he's an actor, he's a journalist, not an activist. He was a Bernie guy, he's no longer Bernie guy, you know, he'll support Trump. So the best part about him, this is the best part about a journey that somebody will go through as you're getting your political ideas in place, is to follow that journey to see how you evolve from you believe in in this to this to that. What caused that change?

I'm going to talk about that on top of that. We have to discuss what happened with Kanye of West firing Nick Fontes. I want to get your insight on that and replacing with Milo. I think Milo actually made the phone call. We'll talk about Tucker, whether it was a deep fake, what they're doing to attack him, your background in doing Occupy Wall Street, what that was like. We'll talk about Bernie Sanders, RFK, what Ron Paul said about, you know,

John F. Kennedy assassination, vice, what is going on with a $5.7 billion company potentially going out of business. But having said that, thanks for coming out, man. It's good to have you. Yeah, thanks for having me. How you doing? I'm doing good.

Doing well. Well, doing well. That's good. How's Florida treating you since you've been here for like seven hours, eight hours? It's been okay. You know, you're a rental car rental didn't pull through. So it's like we get here at two in the morning

and then I'm just like half asleep. Welcome to Florida, baby. I knew you were a big the Santa's guy. This is what I like big support of the Santa's jazz Jennings. Oh, yeah. All of this. I hear you're like in a big way.

So we'll cover that as well. But for some of the folks that don't know, take a couple minutes, kind of share your background. How to hold thing from the beginning, you know, to where you have today. A little started in 1986. Back in. I was born seven years ago. My dad. West Virginia.

Look, not in from Chicago. And yeah, Shaitan and Southside family around the Midwest area, my monster of stainless, but I started listening to punk rock music and as a kid because for whatever reason, it was popular, which got me more involved in politics. I think the internet got me more involved in politics. I think the internet got me more involved in politics. I'm a young teenager online, seeing news articles pop up, reading about this stuff. And then I started working for nonprofits when I was around 20 years old, trying to do activism.

I was, you know, listening to all the punk rock stuff made me very political, started working on profits thinking like, this is the way we're going to change the world, and quickly realize they're just businesses. And they have a bottom line that's all that really matters in the end for most of them, especially the big ones. And then Occupy Wall Street started. I had been active in the hacker community. So this is where the activist journalist thing comes in.

When I started doing this, I didn't care for whatever journalism was because journalism was corporate narrative garbage. They would ignore what the truth was. We'd have, you know, I'd have friends who were involved in some kind of worldly geopolitical action, and the media would just be completely wrong about it. I remember I had a friend who competed in the X Games, the next day in the front page of the paper,

completely wrong about what happened. And I'm just like, I don't know whatever that is, I am not involved with. So me, you know, when I went down to Occupy Wall Street, it was information activism is what we referred to it as in the hacker community, collecting and disseminating information. And then I was like, oh, that's what journalism

was supposed to be. So when you get those cross narratives and then you get a media ecosystem that doesn't care for the nuance just writes a quick fires it off, you end up with on Wikipedia it says these things and it doesn't really explain the context of how these things end up happening. So, you know, after like six months, I have these journalists say, you realize journalism is literally just collecting and disseminating information.

And I was like, oh, well, I grew up watching a bunch of people lie on the TV for special interests, so that's what journalism was supposed to me. Right. And now it's like, oh, okay, I get that, I get that. But with increasing notoriety from being acting by Wall Street, that was supposed to be. Right, and now it's like, oh, okay, I get that, I get that. But with increasing notoriety from being occupied Wall Street, being on the ground in, namely with Berkeley, the conflict between Antifa and right-wing groups, I started gaining too much attention.

You know, I went to Sweden, filmed like a two week vlog covering escalation of crime and stuff like that. And then by the time I'm back in the United States after a couple years, it's impossible for me to go out and film anything anymore. So this is maybe like seven or eight years into my specifically journalistic career. I'm having people run up to me in these moments. And instead of me covering what's happening, people are running up to me and I can't do this anymore. You know, I- They're running up to you doing what exactly? Oh man, I'm a big fan. It's a great or a point up to me and I can't do this anymore. You know, I can't do this anymore. They're running up to you doing what exactly?

Oh man, I'm a big fan, it's a great, or a great, up to me and swinging at me. Oh, great, yeah. So I'm like, one or the other. Yeah. If I show up here, there's no more story, I'm the story. And so I can't do it. And then that slowly caused a transformation

into commentary podcast. Because this is what I would do. I would go down and I would stream. The Occupy Wall Street thing specifically was a 21 hour straight live broadcast where the park got rated and I was there 21 hours holding up my phone. People were bringing me batteries to get my phone from shutting down and I'm doing live commentary in real time as all this stuff's happening to, you know, millions of people.

How old are you at the time? Oh, man, what was I? 25 maybe? Oh, yeah. This is 2009. It's 2011. So yeah. This is 2009. 2011, so yeah. 25. And Tim, that's a question, so you're from Chicago. Your mom and dad, like Blue Collar,

that was a firefighter in your mom sold cars. Yeah, so I mean, a lot of things. My dad was a firefighter. He was a former Marine. He also did, I think, general construction stuff on the side. Obviously trying, he detailed cars, whatever we could do to make ends meet. My mom sold cars, but then, or on the time I was like nine,

my mom put everything up to open a coffee shop, which lasted for about two years before, not making it due to a lot of reasons, namely, the corporate Starbucks Wall Street came in there. We're a government. Yeah, well, they tore up all the streets on the, on the north side of Chicago. And so there was no more foot traffic for a lot of these businesses and revenue went great. And then Tim had a left school at 14.

Yeah. And then just, yeah, I was going to high school for like two months. You're just like, I'm done. Oh, it's the stupidest way of the time. Wow. Yeah, you're not advocating not graduating high school though. Absolutely. Yeah, you're not advocating, not graduating high school though. Absolutely. Yeah, I love it.

I love it. I love it. There's this weird conflating of a high school diploma with a path of success. It makes literally no sense. Locking, taking someone who's 14 and saying, go into an institutionalized learning facility which will give you no real world life skills for four years. Talk about wasting formative years. What I did, I was programming websites,

I was doing flash animation, I was making video games, I was playing music, I was traveling, I was skateboarding. Traveling around the area of the city, meeting people and expanding my horizons while my friends were locked in a box learning for the fifth year. I can't even tell you they learned anything because the reason why I was like, I'm down with this, I remember going to high school math class, we'll call it.

Teacher walks in, she goes, turn to page 17 and do those problems and then walks out of the room and then we're all sitting around like, what just happened. And that was like every, yes. Every single math class was that. And I'm like, okay, and my favorite was sitting in a room in English class

and having someone go, the teacher says, all right, everyone turn to page 47 and we're going to read the story for a Mark Twain. And I'm sitting there and then Jeremy, can you read the inside, inside, in cycle, in cycle, in cycle, today, junior, in cyclic pediatric, inside, today's junior, you know. And so I'm just like, bro, I could read this whole thing in 10 seconds, what am I doing here? It's just wasting my time. So I'll just stop and go, I'm out.

Well, you were living with your parents at the time. Yeah, with my mom, my parents were split up. And then actually what happened was I'm 14. And they did this weird thing where they changed our schedule from in grade school. It was 7.30 a.m. to 2.30 p.m. Then they decided for freshman year at the local high school, we're going to do 10.45 a.m. to like 5.30 p.m. and a lot of parents were upset. They were like, this means that in winter, 14 year old kids are going to be leaving high school

in the dark. Like that's crazy. And so it was like, it was like a, a, a, kind of a cultural shock for me at 14 because you'd get to school at 230, you go to the park, you'd, you'd hang out with your friends, you'd come home, it's 230 of the whole day ahead of you. School got out, woo, now it's like I wake up at six in the morning because that's what the schedule always had been my entire life. And but now I sit, I'm sitting in my living with my hands on my knees like, I'm daytime TV. People's court is on, what am I supposed to do with this? Get to school at 10.45, get out at 6, and it's time for dinner, time for bed. And so it was ridiculously stressful.

And then after two months of insane nonsense, not learning a damn thing, I'm 14, I'm halfway to school, and I just sit down in the grass, I started crying, and then I got up and turned around, went home, called my mom and said, I'm not going to school anymore. What did you see? She, I can't really remember, I think she said, okay. Really? What?

Your mom was just so supportive of herself and white grade? I went from being a straight A student to a straight F student from grade school to high school, and so my parents were already like, someone's not having any hair. What changed during that time? Like did you have a life-changing event,

a bad break up where you're smoking weed, were you hanging out with some crowd, were you reading a new book, were you into something or no? That's really. No. In my life, I've smoked weed a handful of times, it just doesn't do anything for me.

It wasn't hanging out with a bad crowd, playing music. But I think the big issue was, since I was a little kid, my family's had computers, I built my first computer when I was probably seven, or eight years old. It sounds impressive to the average person, but it's like I went to a thrift store,

bought five pieces and stuck them together like Legos. It's not the craziest thing in the world, installed windows on it. So my family's got Compuserve, we've got AOL, I'm online. I'm reading about the president, I'm reading, I'm online, I'm reading about the president, I'm reading about, I'm reading about the world. This is Clinton at this point or Bush. This was, I think, I think this was Bush. Yeah, this is shortly after 9-11, I think. Yeah, I think so. I think I was 14, it's shortly after. So I'm reading all this

stuff online about what's going on. Not a whole lot, but I was programming things in flash was making websites, I was skateboarding. In my life, I'm doing all of these things that every day was improving, learning how to use Flash to make a website. And everyone's like, wow, you made a website, making an animation where, I mean, they're crude flash animations like newgrounds.com stuff.

But every day I could see something more. I started programming video games within, you know, five days. I've made a rudimentary video game that's kind of like Mario Bros. a platformer where you play a little guy running through a factory and there's little monsters and stuff. These are things that were tangible that I could see were being completed. Then I go to school and they're tying my hands together and saying, sit down, shut up, and do nothing.

And it was, it's like being locked in prison. And so eventually I was just like, I'm not doing this. It's, I'm done. You have kids? Not, no. When you have kids, you're gonna send them to high school? Probably not.

No, probably not. I mean, I'm like, I'm gonna homeschool, I plan on having kids, but they're gonna be homeschooled. Probably some kind of local pod learning thing. I plan on having kids, but they're gonna be homeschooled. Probably some kind of local pod learning thing. You want kids to socialize with each other, but I think kids should be learning from adults, not from kids.

And I think one of the biggest things that we do today as a society is we have children learning from each other. We separate kids from their parents like cows and calves. Then we put the kids in a box where they don't care for the teacher and the teachers and care for them. And then all of their social interactions are predicated upon other kids, the behaviors of other kids. When I was growing up my family at a

coffee shop, all of my social interactions are with people in their 30s who are buying coffee and complaining about Republicans or Democrats. So here I am, I'm 10 years old and I like all I want to do is buy Pokemon when it comes out and I'm trying to save it for the tip jar. But when I'm sitting there, the conversation isn't, did you hear what Billy said about power rangers? Did you see what policy was passed? I can't believe they're doing this.

And that's the stuff I'm absorbing. The behaviors I'm learning from are adults in semi-professional settings. They're at the coffee shop, they're writing, they're working, or they're playing music. My mom's showing me how to manage the business and the finances. Then I go back to, this is, I'm like six or seventh grade,

and all of the kids are imitating each other. So what's gonna happen when these kids grow up? Well, I'm not surprised to find that I'm running a business and most of my friends are just working regular jobs. They've not gone, I'm not saying it's a bad thing that everyone has to do it. I'm saying don't be surprised if you take a kid, you put them in an environment where they learn

how businesses work and business is run, and when they grow up, they're doing those things. You plant the seeds, those seeds will grow. You're a similar story, right? Well, not 14, but there's a part of what he's talking about. He's got a very big, a good point. I mean, what we don't know about is the following. Tim, how old are you?

86 is what? So you're 30. So you're 30. OK, so we don't know what it is to be 14 today. But think about it. We don't know what it is to be 14 today, and how you're fed staff, and how you view the world when you're talking about you're you view the world when you're talking

about you're in high school and you're going through it and we were at AOL chat. I'm thinking 1994 was AOL chat. A guy was on, a friend of you was on AOL chat, hey meet me in this room and you would go on, I was like, oh my god, I'm on the AOL chat, you wait a couple minutes. So things in journalism is changing in a very different way. Think about today's temple. Tim at 14 years old today. What is that kid doing today?

What is he, what ride is he taking? What's pissing him off? What journey is he going to be going through? Where 20 years from now, the next temple you're sending, he's telling us about what it's like to be 14 in 2023, and we have to sit there and watch it. I got an 11 year old,old 9-year-old 6-year-old And a almost 2-year-old in a month and I talk to them and ask them

So what what do you learn in school about politics? What do you think about this? What do you think about that? And with Tico he can have a full-blown conversation with you at 11 Yeah, and he wants to have that conversation Dylan wants to talk Patrick my home And he wants to have that conversation. Dylan wants to talk Patrick Mahomes. Dylan wants to talk Sports. He's a sports guy. But it's going to be interesting to see what happens

next 20 years with us. So even with you, like you interview a lot of people, your industry, they contact you. I'm assuming a lot of the 14-year-olds and 15-year-olds today that could be the next 10-post probably look up to you. They see what you did. Maybe some of them are watching the next citizen journalist. What do you think is going to happen with the how citizen journalism is going to evolve

over the next 5, 10, 15, 20 years? Well, so it depends on your definition of citizen journalism. The original definition was when an act of journalism was undertaken by a citizen. So when they started calling the citizen journalist, it was an act of derision to separate me from the corporate press. Citizen journalism was a guy's walking his dog down the street when he sees a burning building, he pulls out his phone, he films it, and then uploads it to Twitter. He never thinks twice, he goes

on his day, and then CBS says, can we use this footage? What they did was they took a professional or independent journalist like me and many others who specifically bought equipment, who make money doing this, who self-wooded it, and they said, you're just a citizen journalist. That way, when we would go to events, namely, I'm speaking at event, they had guys actually stand up and question,

that they had a panel of corporate journalists saying, citizen journalism is not real journalism, these people are not trustworthy, you shouldn't listen to them, it saying, citizen journalism is not real journalism. These people are not trustworthy. You shouldn't listen to them. It's just citizen journalism. It was intended to diminish our work. Undermind what you don't want. Now, I would just call it independent journalism,

independent media, and the corporate press is in absolute decay. Vice, I mean. What happened there? What happened there? Oh boy. I unpacked that for us because you were there 2014, this company goes from 5.7 billion, Rob, can you go to their YouTube channel real quick

and then go to videos, go to vice, they got 16.8 million subs. Do they have a number? Yeah, they got 16.8 million subs. So, okay, go right there. It's a point. And then go to videos. It's fake. Go to the videos. And then go to popular go to the videos and then go to go to popular

I was going to go to popular because I watch this Zoom in a little bit top the most viewed video ever 84 million then 58 million 50 million 46 million keep going down 39 million 32 million 29 million 28 million 26 million. I mean, I can keep going on and on and on and on. These didn't these guys do fire festival, the documentary they had. I think they had a list of how long ago are these? Do you see the one on the top? The world's greatest asset, Brazilian one. I've seen that a couple of times.

Let me, that actually inspired you to want to go to Brazil to find. I've been there twice. You got to find that out. Let me just, let me just read these documentaries and then I want you to talk and tell us the story with Vice. So, top 10 documentaries, The Vice Guide to North Korea, 2008, The Vice Guide to Congo, 2011, the Devil You Know 2019, The Vice Guide to Karachi, 2011, Heavy Metal and Back That, 2007, Big Night Out 2015,

Teenage Extrasis, 2013, Inside the Superhuman World of the Iceman 2015, the true cost of climate denial 2016, inside the Michigan, Malaysia 2016. I mean, they've done some work. So what happened with these guys to go from 5.7 to Naubein Cropsey? I'll give you a mix of conjecture statements from people I know who worked at the company and my personal opinion. The reason I think, if you look at their videos

that have the most views like the biggest asset in Brazil from 11 years ago is their number four. Yep. A lot of these videos, I think it's because one, I mean, some of these things are just over-sax. Yeah, I can. That's kind of obvious. The first four.

Yeah, the top four. And then even down below. Yeah, but here's what happens. In 10 or so years ago, YouTube was panicking because Netflix was starting to steal its audience share. I actually had a meeting with Google and they said to me, Netflix is our biggest competition. And I said, if that's how you view it,

you're in trouble because that's not what people are doing on YouTube. My view was, YouTube is the place where people go to see viral videos, to upload content, and it's a social media platform. Netflix is a corporate channel. If you want to be like them, then you're gonna lose all of this.

Now, YouTube's doing fine, right? But what happens with Vice? Vice was producing these documentaries and putting them up on their website. They did not have access to the big corporate channels. They were outsiders. Well, so what do they do? They say, well, we'll put them on YouTube.

YouTube's a relatively new thing. It had only been around for like six or so years, and it was a way to upload for free. So if you're running a business and you say, I want to upload this documentary, market our brand and sell subscriptions or advertisements, I don't want to spend money doing it. YouTube covers the cost of that. YouTube started putting these vice documentaries on the front page. And this is my personal opinion. Having been my experience, I'm sure there's probably more new on stuff to what happened. With nothing on YouTube that rivals Netflix and YouTube desperate to compete with Netflix, they were looking for anything that could be seen as long-form content.

Vice puts up a documentary. YouTube says, put that on the front page. We need to compete with Netflix. They were looking for anything that could be seen as long-form content. Vice puts up a documentary, YouTube says, put that on the front page. We need to compete with Netflix. Instant 50 million views. That does not mean people actually were seeking out vice and saying, this is the best content of the world. It was, this is what was placed in front of me.

I watched it, it was pretty good. You ended up with a bunch of pretty cool things. Like, I always reference this. Paul, I mean, that's one of my favorite my favorite ones. The scariest hell. But think about what it is. It's called the devil's breath. World scariest drug. Go down a little bit. I'm gonna left the guys holding those things. It's from Columbia. There's a leaf that Pat you blow in in somebody's face and they lose all self control and they don't remember nothing like that. That's they're saying that the government uses it to make people do

crazy shit. That's one of the best documentaries I've seen in a long time. But their documentaries, it was a good show. The original vice show, which then got bought by HBO, it meant it's a whole very interesting story. I think CBS wanted to buy it. And again, a lot of conjecture from the people inside vice who I knew were at high level. My understanding was that they had this hit on YouTube. Partially, I think largely because YouTube was recommending it because they needed long

form premium content. The brilliance of Shane Smith, the businessman, is once he got those hits, he says, this opens the door to everything else. They started shopping around the show saying, look how many people watch our show online. That could be yours. I think CBS, I think it was CBS, I could be wrong, it's been a decade, wanted it. They said no swearing or something like that. And Vinnie, you're not gonna make it that show. I'm definitely not gonna make it that show.

I'm done. But this is network TV. And so there it is, it was like, we can't be vice if we're constrained and trying to be clean cut. HBO said, you can do whatever you want. However, I don't think HBO wanted to renew the show after the first year. And the story I was told, again, I'm being very careful here, was that Shane the CEO just announced they got renewed anyway to create

public pressure to force HBO to renew them because they had announced all the renewals for next season. Vice was not one of them. And then all of a sudden, the CEO comes out and says we've been renewed for two more seasons. I don't know if that's true or not. It's just rumors from inside the office, but maybe it's not true. It seems like a crazy story. But I was explicitly told part of that renewal was the show is no longer the wild adventures of vice. It is going to be a news magazine with a with with diversity. So we no longer want to see four white men. We want to see women, people of color. And so explicitly for me, I was told that that removed me from the running from being involved

in that when they hired me because I'm too much of a white guy. You should have just identified as a black woman. Well, I'm coming in. I'm creating Japanese. It doesn't matter. They don't care. They don't care. They don't care. They vice never said this to me explicitly, other than they want us to have more women and people of color. And then I'm just like, hey, how about this, my mom's Korean. They're like, I'm sorry, there's nothing we can do.

Not cool enough, what do you? Not, I mean, you have to look very discernibly to the white executives, like you're not white. Now, I'll tell you this is an aside, when I worked for Fusion, they explicitly told me, you cannot be part of what we do because you're not white. Now, I'll tell you this, it's an aside, when I worked for Fusion, they explicitly told me you cannot be part of what we do because you look too white, have a nice day, it's racist, nothing you can do about it.

But, they straight up told you that. Like this is Fusion, that's nice. You're a great guy, you bring amazing information to white for us though. Yeah, yeah. So it's tips, oh, sorry, so Tim, here's my question. So you worked for Fusion, you worked for Vice. Basically they're telling you to lie and push their agenda.

What's the, what was, was there, not Vice? The Vice was awesome. Vice was dope. So Fusion was a whole different. Fusion started out awesome and then shifted. Yeah, so was there a moment, Tim? Was there a defining moment? Or was it a gradual thing that made you completely shift

and become the temple we see today? I mean, I think I very much always been kind of who I am. My dad was more concerned with my mom was more liberal, so we're very much like urban liberal Chicago family. The reason why I wanted to work for Vice, I don't care if our Democrats are Republicans, never did. I voted for Obama, felt totally betrayed when he started bombing these villages.

I'm just like, it's just more war. I saw Shane Smith, the CEO on, I think, Colbert Report and he said, look, we're not Democrats. And our Republicans are just storytellers. We're trying to go see these things. And I was like, that's cool. Then I'm watching these videos on YouTube. I'm like, that's cool.

I want to do that. So when I'm on the ground doing this livestream stuff, I'm seeing this. I'm like, this is clearly valuable. It's getting a lot of traffic. I don't have the best way to monetize it. So I went to a couple different companies. One was Vice, and I pitched this idea,

Vice after eight months or so agreed, and said, okay, we're gonna bring you on, and have you do the stuff here in exchange for the live stream reporting. We will do hosted documentaries with you, and I said, that's great. We did a bunch of really big ones. I went to Ukraine, interviewed.

The one I'm most proud of is I was the field producer for the North Korean motorcycle diaries, which as you know, five million, I went and interviewed Kim.com, which was big for them, five million or whatever. So that worked for me, and I was excited for it. But just to go back to the, what changed at these companies, when I was at Vice, they never told me you have to say this, you can't say that. And with the Kim.com demand behind mega upload, which is what 8 million views, they were sitting on it.

And I went to them and said, breaking news is happening. That's why I went and started to says before the release of this, this thing happened. And then they were like, okay, we'll add that to the dock and then we'll put it out. Like, there was, there was no beef. It was literally, hey guys, we have to do this because of this reason. They're like, we hear you loud and clear, Tim, like, let's do it. The, the main issue was as they launched vice news, things started to become more isolated, more spread out less. When I first started, it was basically, I walk up to the executives walking around. I was, what's up, guys, fist bump, you know, and then within a year, it was

they're too busy, they got money from Murdoch, there's a massive expansion happening. You're gonna be now dealing with this guy. And so my attitude very much was, that guy is beneath me. Having me, who's bringing, who came to you negotiating specifically

a new methodology and technology for reporting, now report to a guy who has no idea what's going on, has created clutter and confusion, and resulted in chaos. Who is that guy? I'm not gonna say his name. Okay, but he's a guy that replaced Shane or he's a guy. No, no, no.

He was a guy who was, he brought into like, managed. But did he come with a background? Like, you know, sometimes they bring them, also they promoted within the company. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so they said, you're gonna run this thing. And so, was he a guy that had credibility

amongst others in the company or not? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, except for the fact, I think he got fired for sexually assaulting or something like that. I don't know. But that's another reason why Vice went woke. So people are advised they know who you're talking about.

The people who are listening to this, absolutely. Okay, they're not who you're talking. Okay, so he comes and you're like, this guy's beneath me. So that was kind of like, he didn't know what he was doing. And, they find that. They find what, so he comes and you're like, this guy's beneath me, so that was kind of like a thing. He didn't know what he was doing. And, uh,

Defined that. Defined what it means he doesn't know what he's doing. He didn't know how social media worked. He didn't know how scheduling videos worked. He didn't know when people watched videos. Got it. He had a bunch of ridiculous ideas, and he was allowed to do them

because he was friends with the boss. And that put me in a position where I'm like, quite literally the world where I grew up and the things that I've built are now, I now have a roadblock between me and the mission because this guy was threatening to quit. This is what I was told. He was threatening to quit so then they said, well, we'll promote you. So then I go to the CEO and I said, yeah.

And I said, here's what I want. Here's what I need. And here's what I can give you in exchange. He says, agreed. I had three of these meetings. I would come back and I'd say, when I came here, I said, I want X in exchange for why I am not getting what I asked for, and he says, I'm sorry,

we'll take care of you. Handshake, Shane's a great guy. And the problem is, you know, what is it called? The Peter principle or whatever, you start putting less competent people as they get promoted through the company and to the point of incompetence.

And so I remember one day I go to Shane and I'm and and he's piece pissed off. He's dealing with a bunch of a bunch of stuff. And I said, I said, I need these two guys hired. If we are going to do what you want me to do, these two guys are the only guys I know who have this expertise in mobile live stream news reporting, field reporting. And he goes, okay, looks at this dude and says, higher them. Okay, done. Bye.

We leave the room. The moment we're out of the door, this guy turns me, I'm not hiring anybody. And I was like, this guy is a huge waste of my time. So I remember it was particularly satisfactory when I quit that company, because that's just, I guess that's part of what happens. You start expanding, it becomes more and more corporate, then the CEO says, get something done, and the guy says, no, well, you know, you kept them around, that's your problem.

And the guy ultimately got fired, I think. I think he got fired because he was sexually harassing him, but everybody knew he was. You got me, too, but he was legitimate. I mean, the stories I heard before it even happened was like, I don't think anybody like that guy. P.V.

The Mass, based on this story, this seems to be a perfect case example from barbarians to bureaucrats. No, like a bureaucrat was put in, he's a flag carrier, Shane Smith CEO, how much truth is that right? Well, you have to realize that the media, by the way, Shane at the peak was worth 1.6 billion. When the company was worth 5.7 billion in 2017, he owned 28% of shares. I think that $50 million today,

but he was 1.6 billion at one point. And Disney used to put $100 million, hundreds of millions of dollars into vice at one point. And Disney was gonna buy vice if I'm not mistaken, at $3 billion in 2015, give or take. Again, these numbers can be verified on if I'm not mistaken at $3 billion and 2015 give or take again. These numbers can be verified on what I'm saying. Here's a part. On the creative side, like if you look at all the case studies of different media companies

out there, right, you have to look at them closely. So there is operators, there is creatives, okay. The creatives that have to operate and grow the company there are very few of those guys. Like Musk is a creative and he can operate and grow a company, right? Let's let's face, okay, look at Shapiro what a smart thing he did. So he's a talent, he's a brain, he's not duplicatable.

This is a guy that was gonna be the, you know, grew up wanting to be the Supreme Court, you know. So he says, listen, hey, you operate, you're also creative, but you're an operator, you run Nashville, I'm gonna be over here in Florida, and I'm gonna be creative, and we're gonna make this work and grow the company, and then there's a money guys that are from the Texas people.

So when a creative gets to a point that he no longer knows how to operate, you have to step aside and bring somebody that's fully qualified to operate who can earn the respect of the talent that knows what they're doing. If you bring somebody that doesn't earn the respect of a talent that's doing the work

that doesn't know the basic day today, step, you're not annoying it is to work in a report to somebody like that. It's the most annoying, I don't know the story. So all I'm doing is I'm trusting what you're telling me. So I'm not in the inside. I don't have friends at vice, but I've heard a lot of good things about this guy.

I've heard this guy was a guy that people actually liked working for. I don't know the whole story him and I've never had a conversation together before, but to go from that size to now where it is today. Another question for you with profile of a vice. So you know when you work at ESPN, they have a certain profile on who they recruit. That does well at ESPN. They all stand up tall. They all got their shoulders perfect. Stand up. They're six feet tall. Hey, so today we're going to look at the highlights of the Lakers. Look what happened. LeBron James and Antonio, they got

a certain thing that they're looking for profile who they recruit. Columbia University, you know, where you come from. Boom, you in here Profile for Fox profile for this profile for that. What was the ideal profile of people they brought into Vice was it Rebels was it you know how CIA sometimes You know we got friends in the CIA. We've had a lot of them on the show here. Who did they hire? Preferably somebody that doesn't have maybe got some ties with parents. You don't have anybody you really living for There's a part of you that's willing to risk it all you're not that tied to anything that emotion somebody can There's there's these profiles you look at right? What was ideal profile of somebody they brought him by at their peak at their peak

I was only there for I was like there for about a year and a half I don't want to you know that 20 years before I was there, but I think if you look at me the obvious answer is Hipster-ish post punk was there a lot I think if you look at me, the obvious answer is, hipster-ish, post-punk. Was there a lot of guys like you in there? I mean, what do you mean by guys like me? Hipster, punk, you know, like, you know, you're- Because I'm like a weird guy, but I would say, confident, capable outsiders.

So confident, capable outsiders, that's what I'm looking at. Yeah, so it's tough to describe. I mean, they have hips or ish kind of people. They had rogish people. Around the time I was, I joined, and this is obviously how it was going. They took the $70 million from Murdoch, I think it was a news corporation or something, and then started firing the OGs and bringing in LinkedIn professionals. And that really changed a lot.

You know, they had without getting too specific, because I want to keep people to their private, give people their privacy. But you know, there's like one guy who clearly would not be in a New York media company handling this part of the company. And with the company for a really long time, 70 million bucks come in, they accident two seconds and then go on LinkedIn and then find some professional from a corporate news channel. And now she's running the show.

You know, she's running the show. Is that effect culture within the company? Yep, and I think, yeah, I wonder. For one, I think Shane Smith is a really good guy. Anybody who actually was good at their job and was capable had no issues with them. It was the people who were lazy and incompetent that would complain. It's like, as anybody complaining about their boss, but I've heard nothing about good things

about him and he took care of the people around him to a great degree. But as he starts rising up and the company's expanding, a separation starts to begin between the leader who has built the confidence of his people and now these subordinates who generate no confidence at all. So I don't know, what was your question again? I'm the type of person. I was more looking at the profile part. So you said confident, capable, outside or you know what I mean? Yeah, are you, are you, are you charismatic, young and were a lot of people like you who came knocking on the door saying, I'd like to be advice or did they go looking?

That was it. So it was more people wanting to be part of us. Yeah, Shane, I think publicly stated it was a cult. That pretty sure you can. Most big companies are dumb. And Apple was a cult. Most of these companies that make it to that size, they have that kind of a feeling.

I think he said something like, when people started begging him to work for him, saying they would work for him for free, he realized he had something. And there was that Supreme Court case around interns that made them get rid of a whole bunch of the unpaid labor that they did have. But when I quit, every single person in media was shocked.

Like that I knew, I'm not saying like, literally everybody in media, I was talking about. I was saying like the people I knew, I'm not saying like literally everybody media I was talking about. I'm saying like the people I knew agents, networks, my friends, why would you quit vice? Why are you crazy? This is the company and I was just thinking like, no, look where they are now. You know what I mean? I don't think Shane's unhappy. He's still worth $50, $80 million or he cashed out $30 million.

He's got more money. He can never spend and he said that. But mine, I see the writing on the wall ahead of time. It wasn't just the bureaucrat that you were doing. And at corporate level, you saw at what level, what I'm sorry, at what time frame? Like at what point did you know the writing was on the wall? That I mean, the changes that were happening, implied chaos, right? We built this office then a week, several months later, well, it's a different office now. We're gonna move this office here, now we're gonna move it back

and I'm like they're spending tens of millions of dollars on a 30 million dollar in New York. Then they buy another portion of the building, then they're planning on moving. I'm like, it doesn't seem like there's a long-term plan here. And the other issue was one of the things that Shane's really, really good at. I remember talking to a friend after I left. They have what's called the state of the unit, the company.

And it's a story as it was told to me. It could be wrong. He comes out and he says, ladies and gentlemen, we got our cable channel and everyone, ah, they're all screaming and cheering. There's pizza, beer, and ice cream. And so my friend is talking to me. And he says, I'm gonna be running news production for the cable channel.

And I went, wow. So what are you moving to Toronto? No, what do you mean? I thought you were gonna work on the cable channel. He's like, I am. And I'm like, okay, sorry, you're gonna be living in like, oh, okay. So are you going to be living in Toronto? And he goes, bro, why would I be living in Toronto? I was like, it's a Rogers Telecom deal.

It's a Canadian cable channel. And he was like, huh? You see what Shane was really good at was a sumptive language. He said, we got our cable channel creating the idea in the minds of the employees that Vice was the biggest and the best. And they're going to be on American terrestrial cable networks. At the time, it was Canada. It was 30 million people at Max and 20 million households.

But the employees that I knew, well, they made the mistake of assuming they were going to be American cable television. So he was really good at rallying and boosting morale and making people think they were on the mothership of the greatest media empire in the planet. When in reality it was like, you know, a nice sized yacht, but you're not the $100 million yacht out there with Basel's on it, you're the, you know, $15, $30 million yacht that can carry 20 people. What was he doing before Vice?

Shane? I don't know. I was only there for a year. I don't want to play it. I got it. But I know that if you put up the article, I just sent you an article from yesterday Wall Street Journal. I don't know was only there for you. I don't want to get you but but I know that if you if you put up the article I just sent you I just sent you an article from yesterday Wall Street Journal I don't know if you saw this you probably seen this Vice-media near the deal for four hundred million dollars sell go down a little bit out of a bankruptcy

No, no, let me just read at the top. I'm sorry. I was just saying to be able to read the top Yeah, the media businesses talks to sell itself to top lenders fortress investment and Soros fond man sell itself to top lenders fortress investment in Soros Fundme. Soros Fundme. Isn't that weird? Reorganization. That would wipe off the other investors. Now look up 250 million debt financing Soros Vice. Stay on that real quick and then go back, go to the $250 million.

Let me just read the bottom and then go to that. Go up a little bit. It's one C. What else is yeah right there? By the end of the year, the this fortress, 400 million dollars, nearly every vi stock hold an including backers such as private equity of the TPG 6th Street and local janss or whatever, would be wiped out under the proposal organization. Wow, people familiar with the matter. Outstanding debts, held by TPG 6th Street would be impaired. As part of the plan, the people said

the Murdoch families and major shareholders hold in the journal parent news court. The plan sell of the company of its lenders would value vice at around four hundred million dollar including debt the people said a steep drop from five point seven million okay now go to the two hundred fifty million dollars vice media gets two hundred fifty million out of debt funding from George so that's twenty eighteen and so this is debt funding so what they're saying now is that $400 million valuation includes the debt he already had.

So what does that mean? Not to mention earlier this, I think it was earlier this year, they got $30 million in debt financing. I imagine it might have been from Soros. So we're talking about, they're saying on $280 million in debt. Is that $400? But is that $400 million valuation mean that Soros fund is buying the company for 120 million right right because he's not going to pay his debt back assuming the debt

right or however much they may have paid back so that so people point out the Soros thing and I'm like yeah that was that was four years ago but you know my my view of it was there was a there was an article that was out a long time ago, and it was a little cartoon animation they made of Shane Smith with a frying pan and a book in it, and he was flipping it, because they said that he was cooking the books. And what they accused him of doing, I don't know if it's true, okay, I'm just saying, this is a big narrative, that he would do this very clever thing where he would say, this year, we put a billion, we put a billion dollars on the books. What does that really mean?

Well, to the average person who doesn't know much about the industry or business or finance or deals, they think he added a billion dollars in revenue. What we was actually saying is we did a 10, 10 year, we did a 30 year deal. I love this one. I just gave a guy, this is what the casino does near me. They say you could win $1 million. If you enter this raffle and the bottom and fine print, it says $25,000 a year for 40 years.

Oh great. Great. So they're gonna give you two grand per month for 40 years, maybe the average age of the person at the casino is not gonna live for 40 years, but they call it giving you a million bucks, very, very clever financing. Great marketing, it is marketing.

But that's an annuity though. Most life and show, most lottery winners get an annuity. The point is though, when you are told, enter this contest for a chance to win a million dollars, and what they're actually saying is 25K a year, it's a very, very different. You think you get a million dollars, I'm fine about. What I'm saying to you and what they're actually saying is 25K years. Very, very different. You think you get a million dollars on buying them. What I'm saying to you is what they're telling you is we're giving you a million dollar

in nudity. That's what they're saying. An nudity is, you know, when you win the lottery, if you win a hundred million dollars, if you take the whole thing up front, you're going to get taxed what, 50%. You're going to get 40. You're going to get 40. You're going to end up getting 50 million bucks, such as a 40 million bucks. Versus, you take in a nudity and you say, I you said when take this $100 million over a 40-year period,

okay, then you're gonna get 20,500 million bucks every year for 40 years. That's an option. And you pay less taxes. The point is, if I walked up to the average person and said, if you buy a raffle ticket from me, you could win $1 million. They're not expecting to get $2,000 per month for 40 years.

They think, my life will change, I'll buy a house. I get that. I just think that part, there's a lot of things, I don't, again, I don't know will change, I'll buy a house. I get that. I just think that part, you know, there's a lot of things. I don't, again, I don't know these guys. I don't know what they're doing. My concern is a whole different concern. My concern is, if you go to an investor and say, we need a hundred million dollars to expand

and we just put 300 million on the books this year. Yeah. What do you think that investor's thinking? I mean, look, any savvy investor is going to be alike. What does that mean on the books this year? But there's a clever thing that was being done in media in the 2010s, what was called ad rights assignment or ad rights sales. All of these media companies would take their gold standard brand they'd pay for.

Let's call it splice. Just a random word related to an unrelated company. And they would say 30 million views per month. They would then go to another website that generate a click form. You have to say those articles where it's like, you won't believe where the celebrity is now. And it's like 25 photos.

You click it and then there's 800 ads and one picture of Tom Cruise. You click next, it loads a new page, that's click farming. That is the worst. And then you're not, now you're seven pages in, you click next, it loads a new page, that's click farming. That is the worst. And then you're not, now you're seven pages in, you're like, I gotta go, what the hell is Tom? What the hell is Tom Cruise?

Where's Tom Cruise? Here's our works. And it probably still happens today. Splice would go to that company and say, sell us the rights to sell ads on your views. And they would say, you got it. Splice would then say, the 50 million garbage views from that trash website

are now a part of splice views. They would then go to advertisers and say, the splice network gets 80 million views per month. Don't you want to be a part of it? The advertiser thinks they're buying the gold standard of content. What they don't realize is their ads are being assigned to a garbage clickbait website.

No one actually reads. Your beef is, it sounds like it, at least on the surface, sort of a bait and switch type of deal. But here's what I love about what you're saying, and a lot of people do that. They all did it too. Yeah, he's absolutely right.

And by the way, there's another magazine that we were trying to buy six months ago, Tom and Maru know about this one here, we're on a call with them. And remember back in the way, there's another magazine that we were trying to buy six months ago. Tom and Mari, you know about this one here. We're on a call with them. And remember back in the days, when people would buy fake YouTube views, and you know, it would show 17 million views,

17 comments. I said, dude, you did not get 17 million, and you could buy these views. I'm like, well, I'm gonna go buy views. I'm gonna go buy views. And then Twitter, you can buy a million followers for $5,000, and you're getting two retweets or one retweet, right? He knows this, this was run, and even when, I don't know, with Gingrich, or they did an Obama thing on his followers, 75% of followers on Twitter was fake, or whatever the number was, this was on one of the elections that took place.

But here's the thing, if you do that, say you sell advertisers. There's this magazine that sold this show to a big phone company, okay? And I'm listening to the pitch, and they said, we got 28 million views, a number one show, it's competing with Shark Tank. I'm watching the show because I was invited to be one the host on the show. I'm like, guys, I know YouTube, you know YouTube.

This is how you're selling it to this phone company, yeah. You're not getting these views. As a YouTuber, I know. Show me your absence on the back. And how many, if you're saying this thing got 70 million views, how much money do you make on this? How many adverts? How did you get 70 million views,

but only 28 cents on revenue on this video? The point becomes that strategy that a lot of guys did in 2010s and he's right. A lot did it. They did it on YouTube. They did it on Twitter. Today, you know what the advertisers are finally listening? They're learning. Okay.

We'll test you out for one ad, two ads, three ads. Dude, we got no conversion. We're not coming back. And then if you have a reputation of people dropping you over and over and over again, oh, they're going to say, yeah, these ads don't convert because you have just as much of a job if you bring in a sponsor to convert There's he knows this as they do they may give you a hundred grand or 200 grand or half a million dollars But they're expecting is this gonna convert or not? But what if then you

Get those 70 million views or whatever Disable comments and just and then you go to a network and say our show of 10 episodes got seven million views each Oh, we don't like the comments because people have hate speech. Well, if the advertisers want to do that The network buys the show from you. I get no no. Well, then the network who buys the show Have to go on the category of qualified morons and that's going to happen as well. There's a lot of them out there And a lot it happened a lot. Well, and a lot. It happened a lot. No, you're right, it happened a lot. And a lot of people got money and, you know,

let's not forget what YouTube did. Just two and a half years ago, three years ago, and they said you can no longer put the, you know, thumbs down or when Biden was speaking, the thumbs down was gone. You couldn't see comments were disabled and nobody wanted to, even today, when they go on C-SPAN or some of these different places,

comments are disabled. You can't see any of that stuff. That's a different story. That's because a lot. And yesterday is something was posted on that. Can you go to Biden's Instagram? I think it was Biden's Instagram, Tim. I don't know if you saw this or not.

They posted Joe Biden on his Instagram about job creation. I don't know if it's, let me see if it's that or if it's White House. If I find this I show it to you. It's showed as Joe Biden being the greatest job creator ever in the history of America with presidents. And then all you have to do is go in the comments section. That's all you have to do. If you go in the comments, I see it.

You found it? No, not that one. It's this one here. I'm going to you have to do. If you go in the there it is. I see it. You found it. No, not that one. It's this one here. I'm going to send it to you. All you have to do is go in the comments section. Oh, there it is. No, go to not that one. Go to the Instagram one that I'm on is peel to you. Uh, uh, uh, potas, not Joe Biden. Go to potas. Potas Instagram watch this. The comments are the best. It's the best. So go right on the middle one, right there.

So you see this look what it's showing. Jobs created by President Per month. The go to Joe Biden. Look at that Trump terrible Obama. Bush Clinton doesn't tell the whole story that COVID happened the last year of Trump. And then read the comments. Zoom in on the comments.

Zoom in on the comments. OK, zoom in, go up after up after him. These are not cherry-picked. They're just the comments. So it shows me bros for the photos. Let's first read what the photo said. This is what happens when you invest in America. We have more work to do, but this is real progress. Source, trust me, bro. Now show me a line graph of total jobs, though. Employment rate before pandemic, 61.5% now, 6% now, you're not creating anything. Society just covering it up. I would love for you to define the world, create the word created, be created and restored our two different things.

By the way, if I tell you, 99% of the comments, there's a guy that says, trust me, I'm a Democrat and you're lying. He says, go look at my profile on my Instagram. I hate Trump. I hate the Sanctus, but this is a lie, right? So advertisers. That one right there, bro, this isn't even accurate. I'm not a Republican.

But by the way, there's 50 of these in there. That's not just one of them. Shart is a bit misleading. You guys spend 30 minutes going through all of it. The point, the great thing about what's going on today is the following, here's a great thing. I mean, I won't song, it's Friday, Friday, I don't know what it is.

We're a song ever back in black. Back up black, yes. Yeah, I'm like, why am I even listening to this song? Listen, drive me insane, I'm listening to it's Friday, it's Friday. And then you're like, dude, look at the comments. It was like the worst dislike, you know, thumbs down a video ever on YouTube.

She broke the record and they interviewed her. And you know, 165 million views. How many, I see it's not gonna show the thumbs. And that's what I want to see. You can pause it, because we don't want her to say, I now get the rights for this video. But the point I'm trying to make is following.

The great thing about what direction we're going, God willing, if we go this direction, the fact that Instagram allows for comments till today and doesn't allow them to, and they don't even do it yet, because you could do it on Instagram if they wanted a block it. YouTube would block the comments section, ads that they were manipulating,

making money in 2010s. Now you can't do it and get away with it. All of this stuff is getting in the direction of transparency, hopefully, if they can pull this off. That's when you realize who's doing the right and who's not doing the right. But do you think it's like, because mind you, there's a huge majority that believe everything

that this guy is saying, whatever this administration is saying, he's the front runner and all that, all the lying, like, you watch the White House briefings, Tim, Karin Jean Pierre, she's just blatantly lying every single day about the board and everything and not one, not only what Peter do, she wants to, well, nobody ever goes, excuse me, you're full of shit, nobody's doing that. Well, she said the other day, the responsible thing the president had to do, it was not fair to have the kids stay home, you know, the president makes the right decision to let them back to school because it was not fair to have the kids stay home. The president makes the right decision

to let them back to school because it was harder. What are you talking about, lady, right, with all this stuff? No, the point of all the stuff I'm talking about, and he's talking about vice and soros. My biggest concern isn't some of these things that's going on. My biggest concern is who's picking up all these media companies.

No one on the right when I picked up vice. Who picks it up? So Rose. Yep. And then the more and more and more these guys pick it up and now Fox loses Tucker, fires him for whatever reason to son all the matter, what is your interpretation of what's going on there with Fox and Tucker? I mean, I don't know, just just from what I've seen of the reports. There's a couple of different theories.

Robert Murdock was threatened personally by Tucker because his fiance was saying he was a prophet. And then the wedding broke off and then Tucker gets fired. There's a. The fiance said Tucker is a prophet. That was one of the news reports that came out. That apparently they had a dinner. Then Robert Murdoch's, you know, fiance saying like, oh, he's a he's a prophet. He's a genius. Oh, God. And a month later, he's like, you're God. I'm the profit. Yeah. I think from a business perspective, if you own a brand and then you hire a personality

and the person that is becoming bigger than the brand, any CEO is going to get rid of that, that person to threaten their brand. That's, that's it. You think so? Yeah. I don't know about that. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know any. Murdock, my view would be that Murdock is saying Fox News is the company. If we're at a point where people are saying Fox News is doomed because of one man that man should not be at this company, even if it means it hurts us in the short term, in the long term Fox News needs to stand on its own. Yeah, you have a point there. And the reason why I say I don't think any because I think craft Robert Kraft of the New England Patriots for every you know one person that knows Robert Kraft a thousand people know Tom Brady and and he was very comfortable with Tom being the uh the

show or Belluchick he kept those guys and Jerry bus if you think about Jerry bus Jerry bus was a playboy you know but you know, you know, in L.A. he was always at the clubs with the girls and all this stuff. He was a guy he wanted to party with. He was a big real estate guy. In 33 years of owning the Lakers, they won 10 championships. And he had the magic, bigot and Jerry Bus. Kobe, bigot and Jerry Bus. Shaq, bigot and Jerry Bus. Pat Riley, bigot and Jerry Bus. I think there are some that can do it. Obviously, at this phase, I don't know the internal side of the story here, but to have a girl that you're dating for two times a year, it's a wrap. It's done.

He's also a nine-year old, so it's... But is it messenger from God? You know what Rubber said? I am God. Yeah. If he's a messenger, I am God, right? Anyways, so we're going to see what's going to happen there with... But some of these Republicans are Anyways, so we're gonna see what's gonna happen there with, but some of these Republicans are conservative as much as they bitch about what's going on. And look what Soros is doing. Do you see how dark Soros is?

Look at all these media, a stop. Either buy him or be quiet and stop bitching about it. He's gonna keep buying him up. You have money as well. So you're just using your money to buy real estate and another bullshit. You can also pick up some media to control your own narrative and competing. And all you do is 24 or 7.

You have a look with services. Don't look with this guys. We're putting our money on the line. Some companies are putting the money on the line saying, let's go play ball. Other companies are sitting there saying, look how dark he is. Put up some money. You have money. You know what must it?

Musk took 44 billion and bought Twitter at the worst possible time. At the worst possible time and what did he call it? I'm running a freaking nothing profit organization. Right, so these are the kind, and by the way, think about at the time, who's he law Musk dated by the way? Low key, who's he law must dated?

Grants. Oh my God. I mean, he's dated, aliens, he's dated. He's dating everybody, right? You know what I'm saying? Well, he is one, aliens, he's dated, he's dating everybody, right? You know what I'm saying? Well, he is one, so. But the point is, look at Musk's life.

Yeah. Okay, this guy's got an incredible life and he chooses to go by Twitter. Thank God. And then it hurts Tesla stock. It hurts this, it hurts that. And he doesn't give a shit because he's actually a freedom fighter.

If you're looking, I'm not, you know. So some of these other guys, maybe if you're, you know, you think some other guys are gonna get involved and wanna replicate what he's actually a freedom fighter if you're looking. I mean, you know, so some of these other guys, maybe if you're, you know, you think, you think some other guys are going to get involved and want to replicate what he's doing. Like, you know, how baseless was being a little bit vocal towards Biden, like seven months ago. I don't know if you caught that or not. And you're thinking more guys are going to say, listen, guys, if you're going to do something about it, let's go play ball and put up the money or just be quiet and stop bitching about. I, there's, there's, I talk about this quite a bit.

There's a lot of people who will act like culture warriors concerned about free speech and government who are very, very wealthy and then don't do anything. There's some people who do literally everything. Viveg Ramaswami, I think his net worth is around half a billion or whatever. He not only starts a venture capital firm

to compete with the SG to oppose it. He's trying to run for president. I'm like, this guy's outright like, I'm gonna put like Elon Musk. We're gonna throw it on. Respect to him and he's a fighter. I love it. I vote for him. I vote for him 100%. Little joke.

Like, he is a better version of Andrew Yang. Yeah. He's on steroids. He's on steroids. He's Andrew Yang on steroids. Yeah, like, you know how Andrew Yang, I'm an entrepreneur. How big was your business? Have you had an exit?

But I'm an entrepreneur. We're like, okay, cool, that's great. This guy's made money. How did you make your money? What did you do all this up? We've exact, no, I built a multi-billion dollar, bio data, and here's where I'm at right now. And he writes the books and he goes out there.

And by the way, do you see how fast his Twitter and his audience is growing? Do you see how many people are looking at this guy saying, damn, this guy is great at explaining it, you know, he's great at breaking things down. He's, he's one of the guys that during this season, every time there's a run, a new star is born, I think this guy is a star being born just a few months ago. He had 40,000 followers on Twitter. You know, you know, the story is, he's working at, he's building this multi billion dollar

bio, biotech company. The BLM riots happen. They come in and say, hey, you should put out a statement or, you know, change your profile picture, whatever. And he's like, oh, okay, yeah, for sure, because he's like, whatever. And he puts out the statement where he, it's very neutral. We should come together and, you know, put an end to the violence and we're all Americans here. Apparently they came to him and said that was inadequate. It was,

it was, it was bad. And then within a month, he had board members resign. I'm probably ruining the story to a certain degree. He told me the story. And so I'm a man. Here's my vision of Vivegrama Swami. He's just, he's an entrepreneur. He just wants to start a business. He wants to create something of benefit. He wants to help mankind. And then he starts to get beaten over the head by this eSG corporate garbage that costs his business, money and friends. And he didn't even do anything. He actually agreed with them, but not enough.

I think what they did was they went to a guy of tremendous intellect, means and capability, insulted him in spat and his face. And then he just wiped it off and said, you've declared war. I love what he's doing. Yeah, that's so good. By the way, whether he does anything in this one or not,

I hope he doesn't go away. Me too. He is the kind of guy that the opposition doesn't want to debate. Because he's super brilliant, sharp, history, and made money, and is an entrepreneur, and he's got a background immigrant family story, all of that, the profile is an anomaly.

And he knows how to deliver the message property. Hopefully he gets more attention and more. And not just that, he's, I had him on my show, called the Culture War Podcast, which is a new Friday show I'm doing. And he's sitting there and he goes, you know what, I'm patient, say, I'm gonna get in trouble.

There's gotta be some civic requirement for voting. And he talks about various ideas. One of the ideas that we like to talk about is service guarantees citizenship. It's an idea that is a reference to starship troopers. In this story, if you want to vote, you have to give two years of service to the community in some fashion.

Either it's, it's not necessarily military service to be, you know, working a library or something. Don't get past started on who he thinks should vote. But so, the one of the ideas that the vague brings up is maybe when you fill out your selective service card, you get a voter ID, and that is the bare minimum requirement you fill this out, you don't have to fill it out. You could say, you know what,

I'm not gonna sign up for selective service and men or men are both required to, but when you do, now you can vote. There's gotta be some standard. I'm like, that's a particularly brave thing to say, if you genuinely believe. I think when he was talking to me in an open format, just what do you want to do, why you want to do it?

It felt real, it felt genuine. I could feel the emotion of, I'm like, they figured it was sped on this guy. And now he said, then I will return fire. I will go to war with you. And he's speaking about what he genuinely thinks and believes. I told him this, I said, look, I don't think you're going to win. But I do think you're going to make the conversation better. And I do think you're going to positively change this country by standing up on a debate

stage, saying everything you just said and making DeSantis or Trump answer to it. Do you think you're making it on the stage? I was just going to say that, but you think he'll make it on the stage? Let's get into that part. It's funny you're saying this. I did this video in 2014, April 15, 2014. Rob, if you can pull it up on YouTube to show to him and I broke it down.

And so many people were pissed about this video. Was a video titled, Earn the Right to Vote, okay? Earn the Right to Vote and everything was about you. I don't care if you're 40 years old, 20 years old, or 14 years old, I think a guy that's 14 years old, that's paying tax, we don't need to play the video, I'm not gonna do this year. I don't care if you're 14 years old,

and you're paying taxes, you have more right to vote than a 26 year old stain at home who's never paid taxes, you can vote. So, McCain, you have to pay a minimum of amount of taxes to have the right to vote. I like that. You know, and then if you did a few things, your vote is actually two votes. Me.

Wow. If you serve the military, you get an additional vote. If you do this, so the more you contribute to society, the more of a voice you have, the less you contribute to society, the more you matter of fact. If we ever ran a country, you know what our tax system would be? It would be progressive, except the other way around. Oh, really? You know what that means? You know'd be progressive, except the other way around. Oh really? You know what that means?

You know what it means, progressive the other way around. You know what you work? The less you have to pay. The more you contribute, the less you pay. Because I'm thankful for you. We're thankful for you. But the less you use your talents to contribute to society, the more taxes you pay.

So the people that don't use their God-given talents get tax at the highest level. The people that contribute their God-given talents and go above and beyond, you get taxed the least because you're making our life easier because you're creating jobs for everybody. So VVX thinking, if that's what you said he was telling you about voting and all that stuff,

he's gonna piss a lot of people off. I love it. I love it. People lighting you to up. But that's what I respect. I'm like for a politician or someone who's running to come out and be like, there's gotta be some kind of civic requirement

That shows a lot of honesty. Oh, right put the link to this below people want to see it They can go by this they're gonna disagree with a lot of things I talk about But and it was you were gonna ask a question saying do you think it's gonna make it on the debate say? Yeah, let's talk about that because yeah, I'll read an article and then I'll Give it to you Tim so Papa Papa Wall Street Journal story comes out about Trump being afraid to debate, okay? Of course, Trump is afraid to debate.

This is Wall Street Journal May 4th, just a couple days ago. And it says reports suggest that Trump will skip the first few Republican primary debates because he's leading, his competitors are trailing and he is scared of being up there. On the stage were two hours in an uncontrolled environment with a group of people who are grunting, gunning for him while Trump supporters think in terms of wrestling and believes that

attack and Trump will hurt their chances. The presidency requires a fight and Trump should be challenged like any other candidate Republicans who are soft. Trump supporters need to begin to see that the American people won't let that man Back in a white house because of the fraudulent attempts to subvert the election culminating in the violent overrunning of the US Capitol most of those around Trump know his problems such as bad judgment Little understanding of history and disorder ego Therefore him for their own reasons and believed that the Democrats and the media are worse What are your thoughts on this on what's gonna happen with debates? I think Therefore, him for their own reasons and believed that the Democrats and the media are worse.

What are your thoughts on this and what's going to happen with debates? I think Trump has no reason to debate anybody. He's a big dog who's pulling at the top, but I think maybe afraid isn't the right word? Maybe smart is a better word. Trump knows that if he gets on the debate stage with the Sandes and Vivek, it's going to be bad for him. Just in terms of he's already pulling at the top, there's no benefit. And even if he does well, it only gives them more air time. That means that my personal opinion is, I think Vivek

Ramaswamy would run circles around the sand as and Trump at the same time. He knows way more about this. He's a fast talker. He's quick-witted. He, you know, Trump might, you know, oh, Ramaswampi over here. I didn't come up with that, by the way. Someone else came up with that. But it's still good. But, you know, he'll do the insults and stuff. Look, man, going up against Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz, and like Rubio is not the same as DeSantis and Ramaswami. So Trump really should avoid that. Really should avoid that. If I was advising Trump, I would say do not debate these men, you will lose because there is nothing to gain. You're the big dog right? You got a 40 point lead. Why do it? And I'm saying Trump

could actually perform very well, but he just would not be able to perform well enough to he would just lose. He can only lose from the so that's your counsel. Now what do you think he'll do? I think I don't mind, that's tough, right? Cause what, you can go to him and tell him like you probably shouldn't do it. He probably will. Cause he loves the stage. Oh yeah, he loves a fight.

Oh, and maybe he's hearing this going like, then I have to beat him on the stage. Then I have to do it. If they think I can't, it's not, I, it's not that I think Trump can't win a debate with these men. It's that it's, it's, it's, he's going up against extremely competent individuals who are going to, you know, who are going to put weights on his ankles.

And you already know the media is against him. So if you, if he doesn't show up to these debates, how much negative ammunition he's chicken, he's scared. Remember back to the future, like the one word you couldn't call Michael J. Fox was what are you? Yeah, all of a sudden, yeah, Trump's care. He's a chicken. He's getting you know, he Biden's not gonna debate either. No The White House like that. He's not gonna come out. I think I'd like to see Biden debate RFK Mary Ann Williamson I'd like to see that. I think I think we're I think it's we're in hot water negative territory If the front runners, the incumbent president,

the former president, just do not debate whatsoever. I don't think that's a good look for either candidate. I think what the media has done to RFK and Marion Williamson is disgusting, but I hate the corporate press, so I despise them. They're evil people, so that's not shocking. Talk about corporate press. Chris Hay says CNN's Trump's town hall decision

hard to defend. This is a Hill story. MSNBC's Chris Hay is criticized the CNN's decision to host former president Trump in a lifetime. Hall event next week saying he finds it very hard to defend the choice to give him a live platform, no matter how it dressed up.

CNN announced earlier this week that Trump will participate in town hall event in New Hampshire, moderated by CNN anchor, Caitlin Collins, Hayes warned that giving Trump live air time poses a risk that he might give out personal information about the DA or say something that cannot be unsaid MSNBC as previously opted out of live coverage of Trump's events despite, I think Rachel Madder was the one that says he is speaking right now, but we don't want to have any of the missing information. So we're going to tell you what he says, but we're not gonna error. Despite Trump's past criticism

up CNN, he is reportedly looking to rebuild the media relationship as he runs for re-election 2024. Do you agree with Chris Hayes? It's a cult. These people are in a cult and the cult is large and you can't pull them out because they're on social media. But one of the most powerful tactics a cult uses to separate you from external information. When you go back and look at all the news coverage of Donald Trump, you can conclude a few things. If you come from my background, it's, man, this guy's kind of a dick, you know,

Trump's a boisterous, loud man. He's rude to a lot of people. But those things they claimed he did, he did not do. My favorite example, one of the earliest is when they show, they zoom in on him and he throws food into a co-epond with Shinzo Abe of Japan. Then the media just goes nuts insulting him saying how crass, how uncouth, turns out they edited the video so that you could not see Shinzo Abe dumps the food in the co-epond and then Trump nods and then does the same thing.

And that seemingly innocuous, but the goal was every step of the way they were falsely representing what it is Trump said or did to create an impression in someone's mind that was not Donald Trump. He's a lot of things. But the best example, of course, is Joe Biden launching his campaign on what we call the very fine people hoax, where Donald Trump said, you know, in Charlottesville, there were very fine people on both sides. And I'm not talking about the white nationalists and the neo-Nazis because they should be condemned totally, but you had some people who thought the statue

should not be torn down. What does Joe Biden do? Completely alters the context puts up a fake video to lie to people. So then you end up with people like Chris Hayes. He's an occult. He might actually be an orchestrator of the lies, probably is, but when he goes out and says, you should not hear what this man has to say. Don't trust people who say that. I will tell you this. Anybody listening? You should hear what everyone has to say. Make the decision for yourself. I'm not your boss. I'm not your leader. I'm just some dude on the internet. You can hear what I have to say, you can tell me I'm wrong, you can insult me and call me all the names in the world, I respect that.

Anybody who tells you, no, no, no, don't listen to that guy, they're probably tricking you or lying to you. Yeah. And so it's said, when you say, like, you were, I think Brian Sharp was on your podcast, he talked about the evil group of people that are secretly controlling the world. Do you think, as we said,

that's what, yeah, I think you did. Who did that? Well, Brian Sharp was on your, on your podcast. Just about, evil people running the world. Do you think as we said, that's what, yeah, I think you did. Who did that? Brian Sharp was on your podcast. Just about, evil people run in the world. You mentioned, when you said evil about these people, do you think it's just generations of families that are just keeping this power or is it genuine evil that is out here?

Cause I don't think it's generations of families. I think there is an emergent effect that exists throughout humanity where people inherit seats of power. And then, you know, the way I've described it is you can have a president who seems hopeful and seems fantastic. The moment they sit down, they're handed a stack of papers by the deep state, by the CIA, and they go, okay, now we're going to keep blowing up kids in the Middle East.

So, you know, one of the things I think, especially now with the narrative from Tucker Carlson and Ron Paul about JFK being assassinated, The joke I've made is that the president gets in to office and then he says, I want to end this war and then his head of the CIA just slides a photo of JFK right on his desk and says, no, you know, and then he's like, okay, I'm joking, obviously. But that's what Tucker says. So when, you know, media matters loves to pull things out of context and then lie, obviously they do it all day. It's what they do for a living. Here I'll read the quote.

Not that it's not a censorship question and people expect me to say, Jews are something. No, I'm talking about like the Davos group, powerful corporate interests. These are people of all different backgrounds. So I mean, like, what is the implication here that they're trying to put on me?

I'm quite literally saying, this was, this was related, I think, to Kanye West. I'm like, the idea that it's, it's Jewish people who are doing this things. It's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard because there's, we looked up the banks and like the CEOs of all these big banks are like white Irish guys. Yeah. And I'm like, people just want to find a group of people to blame. But what I think it is Disney, who currently runs Disney, Bank of America, who currently runs someone works a job, they get the promoted or appointed, and these people then just follow like cogs in the machine, something that is the banality of evil. So there's malicious evil, there's the banality of evil.

I think someone like Okazio Cortez is maliciously evil in that she intentionally decides to cause pain and harm to people. For example, she told a story about January 6, where she said someone knocks on her door, she goes and hides in the bathroom, she's thinking they got to my office, you know, I'm going to die. She hears someone say, where is she? Where is she? Turns out it was a cop and they were evacuating the building. What is happening is conservatives come out because many of them don't do their research. And they said, hey, wait a minute, AOC's office isn't in the Capitol. The media then does fact check.

There are tunnels that connect the Capitol to AOC's office. That's why she was scared. And then I come out and say, double fact check. The story she told took place one hour before the Capitol was breached. She made the whole thing up. I'm sure a cop went to her. I think a cop did go to her office, did knock on the door, did say where's AOC. And that was because they were evacuating that

particular building an hour before anyone breached the Capitol. And it was over the pipe bomb scare. So when she tells a story and says, they got me, they found me or something like that. She is lying to you. She intentionally chose to lie. Now, you've got the story of the guy who had 40 arrests who kidnapped a little girl, who punched a 64-year-old man in the face, who broke a 67-year-old woman's nose, who threatened people on a train saying, I'll hurt anyone and I don't care if I go to jail. And three people, three New Yorkers said, we must subdue this man. And in the process, the man lost his life. What is AOC now doing?

Demanding the victims go to prison. I think that's maliciously evil. Now back to the evil group of people who ruined the world, I think it's more the banality of evil in that it is a common place, it is destructive. And the funny thing is, if you actually took the conversation that media matters is so upset about and brought it to your average leftist, they would completely agree. Corporations are gutting the earth, they're destroying our forests, they're causing massive pollution. Yet when I say it, they would completely agree. Corporations are gutting the earth, they're destroying our forests, they're causing massive pollution.

Yet when I say it, they try to frame it as though I'm referring to some conspiracy or cabal. Yeah. Many of the java follow up to that. No, no, no, no, that was great. I love it because that's, because I mean, we've talked about the spirituality of it. Like even with Tucker, Tucker's last speech,

I forgot where he was, Pat Wooddener, where he was just like, listen, I, there's negative people out there and it's like you got to protect our kids and this. Heritage heritage. Heritage, yeah. It was all about, to me, it's just a battle of good and evil. I think you make a great one.

So, so let me ask, let's talk about jazz gennics. You've been on this jazz gennics things and, you know, choice words for this antithesis. If you want to, Tim, if you want to just go from the beginning, I this morning, I watched her video from 11 years ago. I beginning, I this morning I watched her video from 11 years ago. I don't know if you've seen her video from 11 years ago. Go on YouTube and if you go on YouTube, and for some of you watching this,

that you don't know who Jazz Jennings is, go to YouTube and type in Jazz Jennings, and then go solve for views. Go solve for views. Something should come up with 11 million views. Go to filter views. Something should come up with 11 million views, go to filter views, something should come up with 11 million views or so. Let me see how many of these. Go down a little bit, go down, it's a CNN store, it's 11 years ago or 10 years ago.

Go up the other way, go up, go up, go up, go up, go up, go up. That one right there, Teenager 11 years old, ABC. So, you know, so that one right there, I watched this morning and the way she pitches it, you know, at six years old, she knew, she was, you know, so that one right now watch this morning. And the way she pitches it, you know, at six years old, she knew, she knew, he knew he was stuck in a man's body and it was a she. And then mom and dad supported her, going through the transition and, you know, and then she takes all these pills

and everything and she see, you know, it's mermaid, she swims like mermaid, but it's a boy. This guy is now, so parents supported that. Anyways, take it from here to where it's at today. He's now put on a hundred pounds. I think he weighs 240 pounds, 230 pounds. He responded to a lot of comments that was set

on her channel, Matt Wall, Shapiro, bunch of other guys. What's your biggest frustration with jazz Jennings and the Santas and Florida? So the simple version is, I think jazz Jennings is the victim of severe psychological and physical abuse from her family. I don't mind using pronouns for someone like a trans or a person.

I have friends who are trans. Prone of things and nothing to me. Jazz, you can't be six years old and decide to permanently sterilize yourself. And that's what happened with jazz Jennings. Jazz will never have children. Jazz underwent puberty blockers and a hormone replacement therapy,

which resulted in an inability to reproduce and actually have what I would just keep family friendly and call adult sensation. The left likes to respond saying, how weird that you would bring that up, bro, I'm not here to be ashamed, I don't care. I'm, we're talking about the future of this country and what we are determining to be a good or bad thing.

So if you watch the videos of, well, let me slow down. Jazz settings was three years old when they said they thought Jazz was trans, that's six. Jazz says, obviously you mentioned I'm trans. I believe at seven years old, they're showing Jazz off and the family is doing priceless stuff like that. Jazz, the puberty blockers prohibit the adult development of a human being in terms of their sexual characteristics, which results in a bunch of very, very serious

and severe complications. The reason this has become more pronounced in terms of like the reason why we're talking about it now. Several years ago, when discussing the issue of kids and trans kids, I talked about how I felt jazz would eventually come out and be bi- and be described as a straight male, or something that effect. What happened was jazz before the age of puberty was saying on TV and things like that that

she was attracted to boys. After this age around 13 or 14, jazz says, I'm pansexual and attracted to everybody, today, Jess is dating women, at least according to the reports. I'm unsurprised to hear that. Jess is biologically male. I'm not surprised that a biological male is attracted to females. That's 98% of biological males. So when you look at a story like that, then you go back to the story of John Money.

John Money was, I don't know even what to call him. He took, he was a doctor who took two children. Sick name, by the way. This is a horrifyingly evil man who tortured children. Okay. Not a good guy. Not, not a good guy at all. They were, they were, they were two children, David Rimer, of course, and I think his, David and, I forgot the brother's name. So they were, they were twin boys. One had a botched circumcision. John Money went to the family and said, gender is a social construct.

If we surgically alter the baby, we can raise this male as a female and they will never know the difference and they'll live a happy life. John Money then forced these young children to engage in simulated sexual acts on each other. They both ended up killing themselves. When you look at a story like that,

you have some concerns about David Rimer eventually committed suicide at 38. It's very sad and his brother died of an overdose at 36. So maybe they weren't twins, maybe I was wrong with it. When you look at a story like that, you have concerns about whether or not we should surgically or medically alter children who can't make these decisions for themselves.

If a six year old comes to you and says they know something, it doesn't necessarily mean they do. So I'm not gonna pretend to have all the answers. But now when you look at the story of jazz Jennings, where we currently are, and my issue particularly with the DeSantis administration that wanted to make this a fight, I'll I'm here. Here's what happens. A video emerges more recently.

Jazz Jennings has become morbidly obese, severely depressed, suffering from very serious mental issues. Jazz Jennings' mother says on the show that she wakes Jazz up in the middle of the night, grabs the dilator, lubricates it and says, if you don't stick this in your vagina, I will. Let me explain to you what a dilator is. When someone undergoes what they refer to as bottom surgery, it creates a permanent wound that is not an insult that is not meant to be derisive. It is a, it is a fact statement. The wound attempts to close. Trans people have to use what's called an acrylic dilator

with lubrication to force it into the wound to make sure the wound does not close. The purpose of this wound is so that men can penetrate it with their penises for sexual gratification. If jazz is not engaging in this dilation, I would make the assumption that jazz is uninterested in keeping this wound open. Jazz's mother is on television saying,

I wake her up in the middle of the night and say, if you don't stick this in your vagina, I will. In another clip, Jazz's mother says, if she goes off to college and that thing steals up, I will ring her neck. And a lot of people, I call it a turn of phrase, and I'm like, I don't care, okay? If you have a child, now an adult,

who has undergone all of these surgeries, and jazz had several complications, very serious complications, where because of the puberty blockers, sexual characteristics do not develop, you can then not perform an actual, what they would call a penile inversion vaginal plastic, to create a wound for the purpose of sexual gratification,

if a transverse person wants to have sex, right? You can't do it. I look at this and say, okay, look, I don't know where we draw the line on whether or not jazz as an autonomous and adult is going to say they're satisfied with their life, and we should stop there. I simply put it this way.

If I'm in my apartment, and I hear a man and a woman yelling, and I hear pounding and yelling, I mean, you might wanna investigate, you know, you hear a woman screaming, like, ah, you might wanna call the police. I'm not saying you do every single time, you don't know what's going on, but I kind of, I'm kind of concerned about

if you hear muffled screaming of a woman and a man yelling at her and then banging and you go, I'm sure there's two sides to this, I'm going to mind my own business. Ah, that's not me. That's not my moral framework. My moral framework is either I go knock on the door and ask them if everything is all right, or I just call the police and say, look, it sounds like this guy might be battering this woman. Cop might show up and they were like playing a game of Twister or something and she's playing a race car game. Who knows? Who knows? When you have a video where the mother says to Jazz, and this is part of the viral video that came out,

you are your own worst enemy. Jazz says, I'm depressed. I don't feel like myself. I keep going negative. The mother says, I know you are your own worst enemy. I'm like, hmm, that sounds like psychological abuse in and of itself, not that much. When you then have a video of the mother saying,

if you don't stick this in, I will do it. Well, that sounds like a threat of physical force against a person who is rejecting this medical practice you're imposing on them. If you then say, if she does not, I will ring her neck. You combine those things and I'm like, I think this woman is severely brutalizing this individual.

Does that not warrant the dissentist administration to humbly knock on the door and say, is everything okay? Can we speak with you privately? It may be, and it may be ultimately that Jazz Jennings says, this is fine. You're belonging to a proportion. Does this not warrant the dissentist administration to say, Hey, TLC, we'd like to see the footage that you have because you've been documenting this family for a decade because we're concerned about potential abuse that's going on. Instead, what happens is when I tweet this video and said, where's Ron DeSantis?

This is all happening in Florida. I get a response from Christina Pachon and Jeremy Redfern, the press people for DeSantis. Ron DeSantis doesn't have a time machine. He can't go back five years and prevent this from happening. And then they turn it into this, how dare you criticize Ron DeSantis. You're a grifter who wants clickbait. And I said, okay, you know what, here's where I'm at.

I'm sorry, Christina and Jeremy and the DeSantis administration. I had no idea. If in Florida, a person can go on television and say that they're going to force a dilator into a wound of their child. And if they don't do it, they're gonna ring their neck. If that is legal and acceptable in Florida,

I am sorry I made the mistake of thinking there should be some kind of inquiry into whether or not that could be abuse. Well, my question for you guys, I suppose, is, play the video and then ask me if you think this warrants a simple question being asked with a knock on the door. But with her, I'm worried about her mental wellbeing and her dilation. In the ministry of my house, we have a dilation problem.

That is a concern. We don't have that watchful eye. They tend to go back to old patterns. I have woken jazz out of a dead sleep and taken the dilator and put the lubrication on it and said, Here, you take this and you put it in your vagina if not, I will. But jazz is bad. Even when I'm home once a day. How old is your mother? 27. Wait, wait, is that the mother right? That's the mother right?

You've got to keep the rest. You've got to keep the rest. I got to keep the rest. Cosmic College and that thing seals up. I'll bring her neck. I can't imagine. What a demon. Now, imagine Jazz Genic. What shows the song?

What channels the song? It's TLC. I think it's called IMJ. I got a few questions, legally questions I'm gonna ask. Okay, I know you're going hardcore at DeSantis with this and he's got a million things he's dealing with. And he, you know. I'm leaving though, I said, where's Rhonda Sansa?

I get that. Let me just kind of give you my side. And trust me, if you're on, if you watch our podcast, some people would say we're not a dissentist podcast because I challenge hardcore marketing book launch. Anyway, I'm not going to go there. All I'm saying to you is, so number one, TLC has a legal team. Before TLC thinks, this is okay to put up. Their lawyers have to say, no, we can't put this or also it's going to be a lawsuit. So every media at that size is going to put up their lawyers have to say no we can't put this or also it's gonna be a lawsuit

Okay, so every every media that size is gonna have some likes that's like when you publish a book You've done this before where you know the salmon and schusser lawyers will come out and say yeah this story You have to use a different name you can't use this person's name because it's gonna be a loss So we won't have nothing to do with it. Okay, great. So you can go independently You know launch it or you can go through them, but their lawyers is gonna to have that call with you. So check, I don't know what TLC did. Their responsibility. Number two, if jazz is 22 and she is defending in that one reaction video she made, she says, my mom's the best mom in the world. No, she didn't do anything wrong. I'm not regretting any of my decisions right now. She did the right thing because I'm so glad she did that.

I'm just a depressed person. I'm just going through hard times in my life. I've always been like this. And so she defends that. So that kind of is if you're saying the person next door that you go to husband and wife, it's loud. And what's going on? I want to go defend.

And then she said, we just have rough sex. And that's we do that every night. So unless move your apartment to a different place, or you can hear this every night because this is how we have sex and wherever have happy about about it. Now what do you say now? Okay, you cannot defend it. So if the daughter who's now 22 and adult is saying this, that's not something that, you know, they can do anything with, you know, if it's a kid, to me the concern is five years ago, if it's 22, that's why they're saying five years ago because she was 17. Yeah, at that time, you're 100% right.

I don't under my problem isn't with TLC. My problem is the 11 years ago, ABC, showing it with the verbiage that they're using, making it seem like this is okay. And then now this person's being turned into a hero as a mother. And other people are watching this and you're hearing stories about how Duane way to defend the Santas if there's anything that you're getting with people that have trans kids. The Santas is running Florida.

Duane way comes out and is being interviewed. I don't know if you saw this one or not just recently. And he says, wow, you know, I just, you know, as much as I love Florida and you know, we love the no taxes and a lot of great things over there. We have a lot of great friends. I just didn't feel safe for my child and all this other stuff and now we're going to move in. They're living in LA right now because he's doing a whole Hollywood thing in South

Gabrielle. All that stuff. Great. That's a choice that he made. But that to me would be the ultimate example of what a job DeSantis is doing with the state of Florida that he's forcing people like this to say, like where does jazz Jennings live right now? Are they living in Florida?

South Florida. Proud virtual school, by the way, is 15 minutes away and coconut creek. And the mother is good. And the whole family lifts here, that's where they're at. I believe so, yeah. Okay, yeah, so for them, go ahead. Oh no, I wanna, you can finish, I'm sorry.

Yeah, TLC, the lawyers, the age where she's at today, the Sanctus five years ago. I mean, let me give you hypothetical. If you saw a video of a father, an adult man says, every day I wake up my daughter and I grab the penetrator and say, you stick this in your vagina or I'll do it. Would you arrest, would you go and be like,

okay, hold on there a minute. Like, let's go have a conversation with this family. I would contact that media company to say what makes you think this is normal for you to play. And I would want to investigate the parents that are doing that at the time. Yes, now. You're just not going to door, not going to door.

Is everything okay here? I mean, that sounded kind of like, what's the context of wider? Now, not on the door, not on the door. Is everything okay here? I mean, that, that sounded kind of like, what's the context of wider? Now, I understand the responses, the dilation is a medical practice that jazz must, right, must do. But if jazz isn't doing it, doesn't that imply jazz is uninterested in doing it and saying you're going to ring their neck or hold or, or, or, or do it for them? Don't get it twisted. I understand exactly what you're saying. And I'm with you. I mean, there's no point. Now, let me address the law enforcement thing.

Victims don't prosecute. The state does. The victim is not necessary in the prosecution of a crime. If the police are made aware of a crime, it does not matter what the victim says. If a woman is battered by her husband and there is a witness, the police can say, ma'am, I understand you're claiming it was just rough sexing to it all the time, but we have witnesses saying he was beating you in the face And they will still if they choose to arrest that man. I don't know about that

This is not a strong case the reason why it's not a strong case is because there's Thousands of videos like this of parents who have said things like this about their kids and people take it as joke to me This is this is this is catastrophic that the mother is turned into a hero. To me, that mother is a disaster in a, in a, in a menace to society because other mothers look at her as a, as a, what do you call it as a hero? So I would say, I understand your argument. I understand what you're saying. Somebody doesn't, my argument is knock on the door.

I didn't say criminally charge him. And, and, and for, for one thing on the Twitter front, I said, where is Ron DeSantis? You know what, Kristina and Jeremy could have said, hey Tim, Rhonda Santis made this illegal, we'll take a look at what you're talking about. Thank you, have a nice day. Instead, they turned it into Tim's a grifter and a liar. You know, Rhonda Santis is on a time mission. I don't even know the about that part.

I don't know. We have push out here before and, you know, I'm not here defending push out. We last time I spoke to push out was the last time she was here so I don't know whatever the time for what no but what what I'm my argument back to you is with that yeah could they have handled in a different way sure if if you if you and I went and interviewed top 100 most liberal Americans who are all about this transgender community and we asked them Name me the number one state or governor that you feel the least safest to be able to do anything you want to do with trans and LGBTQ and teaching kids about these types of things at an early age. I'm willing to bet

$100,000 that a hundred at a hundred will have Florida in their top three agreed yeah so so the point is that that credit goes to the guy at the top that's getting a lot of heat for what he's doing to fight some of these battles