PBD Podcast - Tim Pool Questions U.S Involvement In Kremlin Drone Attack | PBD Podcast | Ep. 266 | Part 2

Episode Date: May 8, 2023

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Did you ever think you would make it? I feel I'm something so I could take sweet the theory. I know this life meant for me. Yeah, why would you plan on the life when we got fed David? Value payment, given values, contagious disorder, entrepreneurs, we can't no value to hate it. I'd be running home, you look what I've become. I'm the under one. The idea.

So Peter Thiel, who is a supporter of ronda santa's comes out and says peter feel likes ronda santa's for president but has one worried this is a daily beast story has one worry what's the worry that ronda that peter feel has this is a very smart guy peter feel republican mega-dona peter feel sees potential in ronda santa saying

that the florida governor would make a terrific president, but he did say that he liked the Santa's as the GOP nominee with one stipulation. If he's a Republican nominee, I will strongly support him in 2024, but I do worry that focusing on the woke issue is ground zero as ground zero is not quite enough. The Santa's war on wokeness has been the crux of his political platform as of late. He infamously touted Florida as a place where woke ghosts to die in a January speed support the anti-LGBTQ policies such as the don't say gay bill law have largely defined his tenure as governor.

In fact, that's it's that very law that landed him in the ongoing feud with Disney, which has drawn the eye of old school conservatives who believe the governor shouldn't be so willing to piss off a big corporation. Okay, fine. So he says this, yet his friend Dave Rubin moved his podcast here and lives in Miami. He feels safe over here.

Dave Rubin's very close to Ron DeSantis. Dave is part of the LGBT community. He has a man that identifies himself as a gay man. And we've had him on. We were just with them, I think, two weeks or something like that. And we like Dave a lot. Yeah, so even a Peter Thiel saying this, and a Peter Thiel said five years ago,

if I was moving here from Silicon Valley, I would have gone to house for nothing. Today, whatever you paid for, house in Miami, is now four times the price. There is no point in moving from Silicon Valley here to Miami because the houses are just as expensive as they are in Silicon Valley. This is something four times the price. There is no point in moving from Silicon Valley here to Miami because the houses are just as expensive as they are in Silicon Valley.

This is something the sentence is going to be. Yeah, stay in Silicon Valley. Yeah, so again, what he is saying, he is saying the people that don't like it are leaving. So this kind of validates a part of that community, the whole woke thing, I think a lot of parents are sitting on, listen, he got criticism for the whole six week thing with abortion. That was a lot of Republicans said, what are you doing?

Like I talk to wives and mothers and they're Republican, they're conservative, they say, they said, what was the point of doing that? That was like the first time we saw he missed the mark when he did that. You didn't need to do that. There was no winning with that. Did you end up winning the biggest, biggest, biggest conservative Republicans? What percentage is that? 5% or 10%?

I didn't need to do that. Fine. He missed that one. But in this year, parents are liking the fact that there's somebody who has the audacity to go up against the distance, to go up against what they're trying to do in schools. So there is a community that's supporting what he's doing, but even Peter feels guilty of some criticism. I think I think he was wrong. I mean, you look at the double did you look at the million million vote victory margin for rondisandt says governor. You look at the mass exodus from New

York and California into Florida. And then I think second place is Texas. Rondisandt says the best governor of this country has, right? So so so me me saying where is it on the issue of jazz Jennings being horribly misconstrued to imply that I'm like, I think he's doing a bad job, I think he's doing a fantastic job. The question is, on this one moral issue that's been happening to go viral, what's their current position? That it's too late, that the abuse that may be happening ongoing in Florida, it's too late. Now, I think the issue is, it's a very, very dangerous,

you know, Rhonda Sanderson administration are willing to tackle these issues loudly and clearly, but not a mainstream celebrity personality. It's too much for them. They can't handle that kind of heat. That's not a consideration for me when it comes to an issue of reality. I think so.

You're saying he's afraid to go after mainstream media. You think jazz Jennings is that big of a mainstream person. This guy's going after Disney. Then why not knock on the door? He's causing the greatest Miami heat of all time to leave Miami. Bro, there's not why, why, why, why, why the negative reaction so heavily from his PR people? Maybe, maybe they have looked at it with their legal team and they're saying there's nothing here.

Why don't they say that? Maybe they don't want to say it for different reasons. Maybe they don't want to say it because they're dealing with other things. Maybe they're sitting there saying, this isn't something that we want to tackle right now. That's why I just not respond at all. By the way, if there's anything I will be on the same page with you, I don't think they have the best marketing team. So that's a whole different thing. For me, I think they can hire a much better marketing team than what they have right now. I will criticize

that non-stop all day, you know, they either here or there they do something about it this marketing team is not going to take him to the next level they need a real market like you need to have real marketers they don't have marketing they're playing the the safe game and just to protect them and it's kind of like let a rip let's go so when when when Trump was facing the indictment Ron to Sanctus if I here's what here's what I do if I was governor, and I'm not saying I'm right about everything, you can say, I'm wrong. I had to go to the podium and say, mark my words, there will not be an extradition of Donald Trump from my state. No finger will be laid on this man. Thank you and have a nice day. Instead, he's like, I don't know, it goes into paying off

a porn star. I'm not going to be involved in this. And I just thought that was particularly weak in turn. You know, so what do I like about Trump? The reason I'd vote for him, not because I think he's the greatest leader we've ever had. I think his foreign policy has been absolutely fantastic, considering presidents we've had in the past. Obama, like blown up kids, like Abdulrahman Al-Alaqia, 16 year old American citizen, we murdered. Anyway, Donald Trump's going to fire everybody. He wants revenge. And I think if the one thing I can get out of the next presidency is the purging of the bureaucratic class. This country will be better off for it.

I don't know if Rhonda Sandis would do that. I think he's a negotiator. I think he's going to go in and say, how can we make this clean? And it's going to be like Trump's first term all over again. They're going to attack him. They're going to smear him. They're going to lie. They're going to get their key positioned people to sludge everything up.

I think at this point with Donald Trump, he's unleashed. He's so angry. He's been slided, he's been lied about. They've impeached him. They're trying to criminally prosecute him in New York. They're trying to get him in DC. They're trying to get him in Georgia. Now they're accusing him of a 30 year old rape case.

I mean, these people are relentless. And almost every single time these stories trying to be fake or even worse, it's them. I mean, the alpha bank Russia stuff was a lie. Trump being a Soviet asset. Jonathan, check, congratulations. That was the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard on cable TV. All of it a lie. Ukraine gate Joe Biden saying if you don't fire the prosecutor, not get the billion dollars, which he admitted to at a CFR meeting, everything they say about Trump turns out to be a misconstrued. I think Trump gets elected. He walks in and says, I don't care how. I don't care why. We are going to terminate these people. We're going to send them out with nice little boxes full of

their belongings. And we're going to we're going to figure out how to do it. He wants schedule left. That's the number one thing this country needs right now. I don't think DeSantis does it. So I got a question for you with that so the uh... foxes now paying what seven eighty seven to a dominion whatever the numbers of the big no big deal biggest ever twenty percent their savings four billion in a bank their pain seven eighty seven there's a lot of different stories why tim all of these things that they got wrong on the left russia collusion

you know he did this he i mean one one after another, after another, impeach him twice, just trying to publicly humiliate him, nonstop, right? The vaccine comes two days after election. Everything was timed in such a weird way to wanna hurt the guy. If Fox is paying $7.87 and CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS,

all of these guys kept talking, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, all of these guys kept talking. Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia. Isn't that a case to sue them for fake news and make them do similar thing that happened with Fox? And if yes, why don't they do it? Oh, I mean, there's so much better at this than conservatives and the right. If you come out and you make a statement

that is opinion about Donald Trump, who's gonna, what do you mean to sue? We got times to be Sullivan, you're not going to get anywhere. Fox News made statements about a massive multinational corporation. Well, a massive multinational corporation's going to fire back with all of their resources and they're going to win. You mean dominion in this. Dominion. Right. And not not to mention, I think there's also the smart math clause who's attempting right behind them. The heels of that. These Fox personalities who came out and made these claims or pushed them or brought people on, it's just, it's a, these are fact statements

about companies that had limited basis in reality, right? Limited in that, they'll take a morsel of truth, they'll stretch it out. I think Fox was interested in fending the flames of their base to tell the story and it backfires. You get a similar thing with CNN MSNBC, but these people are very clever in how they do it and how they've always done it. Selectively editing a video and targeting Donald Trump. Okay. Donald Trump as an individual is going to have a lot harder of a time suing 17 news

organizations, but here's the best part. Fox has the only news organization or the principal news organization that was having these conversations about Dominion puts them in a particularly weak state. There was a story that NBC news wrote about me that was fabricated. They then deleted the source from the article. However, too late, several other articles copied the story and reposted it creating a circular news reference where, hey, look, man, we didn't say it. We reported that news organization A said it. You can't sue us. Then, and they'll say it's a fact statement.

It is a, you know, if I file a lawsuit against them, it's going to cost me 100 grand for just launching the suit against all these different organizations, 17 of them. And then all they have to do is say, Your Honor, we are simply reporting what the New York Times said. It is not our statement. In the New York Times to say, Your Honor, we're simply reporting what Washington Post said. And the Washington Post say, what NBC said? And NBC will say what the New York Times said.

Creating a circular loop of lies that it's impossible to fight against. Are you using it as a metaphor? It's basically that's what happened with if Trump tried to do a lawsuit against the mainstream media that would basically do exactly what you just said? The gist of it, it gets more complicated. I mean, these are, it'll come down to individual circumstance. I'll give you one example of right now, Tucker Carlson, what CNN did. They're very clever, these people. Tucker Carlson has that viral text message where he said this is not how

white men fight. The text message was in its entirety. Tucker Carlson saying that viral text message where he said, this is not how white men fight. The text message was in its entirety. Tucker Carlson's saying he was watching a video of a guy being beaten and he found himself cheering for it until he realized it's horrible thing to think. People shouldn't think these things, and that I don't wanna be this. CNN did a very clever thing where they took the first half, which sounds very, very horrible,

put it at the top of the article, filled the rest of the article with regurgitated facts about dominion, the lawsuit, statements that nobody wants to reread for the 18th time, and then the conclusion of Tucker's statement at the bottom. I think this might actually be the art. Is this the article? So you'll see the first quote right there in the second paragraph, a couple of weeks ago I was watching a people fighting on the street in Washington.

You then, they stop it. I could taste it. They stop the quote. The next stop you'll notice the next several hundred words are just old news. Nobody wants to reread. You then scroll to the bottom and see the conclusion. Look how far down you've got it, the conclusion. Somewhere deep in my brain and the alarm went off.

This isn't good for me. The reason is these news organizations know the percentage to which people will read these articles. I believe there's a possibility. This is intentionally formatted in such a strange way to break apart Tucker Carlson's quotes, put old news in between so that the average person stops reading and says, I already know this and leaves. The only impression in their mind, Tucker Carlson cheered Carlson cheered for the death

of an individual. This is how the media gets away with lying, but you can't sit them over it. Like liquid media matter said about me, Tim Poole says, an evil, evil people are ruling the world or whatever. Yeah, if I went to Greta Tuneberg and said, do you think oil companies are in control of the world? She'd say, absolutely, they've politicians. Do you think they're evil? Yes, of course they are.

But you see how they've politicians. Do you think they're evil? Yes, of course they are. But you see how they do it. Secretly controlling the world. That's the media for you. They are factual but not truthful. Can I go back to your Trump, Michael Malice, who was on here, not too long ago. Funny guy. Go back to your Trump statement. So let's say I agree with you.

Let's see a lot of people agree with you about basically the media's been coming after him and then everything that came with Russia gate and everything that happened in January six, everything, everything, everything, we're all the same page that we don't need to really let it get that. And then he does get reelected and he does come back and drain the swamp again.

You basically, you're in favor of him firing everybody starting over again, which I think a lot of people would like to see. What I want to ask you is because someone who's not on team Trump, not on team DeSantis, you're on team logic at this point. Give me the other side of it, right? The good would be fire everybody, start over like happy, well held accountable. Give me the other side of a mean, vindictive, angry Trump looking for retribution. And rightfully so in some cases, how would that affect America in some regard? You know, if Trump comes in and says,

it's payback time, bitches, what would that look like for America? Great. It would be the best thing ever. I don't think there's a negative. I think we're talking about is a bunch of kids playing on a playground, a bunch of bullies who have been going around shoving the kids in the mud,

they shove Donald Trump in the mud and he gets up and says it's payback and all the kids are sitting on the playground watching this one guy go back and get revenge on the bullies. And I don't think it affects us in the negative at all. In fact, I think it'll make things better. I think he'll secure our borders. I think the economy will greatly improve. I think he'll bring jobs back.

I think you take a look at the foreign policy of Donald Trump. And I did vote for Trump in 2016. I thought he was despicable. Then he started enacting policies that I was very happy to see. And I still found them to be quite despicable. He's a, he's a, he's a potty mouth guy. He's nasty. He imitated body slamming a journalist. And I'm like, I don't care if you don't like reporters. I don't like the corporate press. You don't don't do that. Um, but, you know, I remember, uh, first, simply Abraham Accords, historical, amazing, um, crossing the DMZ into North Korea with no security detail, one of the

greatest acts of leadership I have seen in my life, and I think should be in any other circumstance, they would be writing about it. It would be one of the most proud moments of the United States. Donald Trump entered North Korea, enemy territory with no security detail, with Kim Jong-un surrounded by North Korean soldiers. And it was funny when I watched that happen, having a family history that goes to Korea and what that means to me. And I was nearly brought to tears and then the media insulted Donald Trump over that. And that really pissed me off.

When Barack Obama was president, he ordered a drone strike on a civilian restaurant in Yemen, a country we are not at war with, which killed Abdul Rahman Al-Alaqiya, 16-year-old American citizen. No one bats an eye. He also killed Anwar Al-Alaqiya, and the argument he was a jihadist, so it's war, so it's justified.

I still don't think you can kill American citizens just because we're at war. Bombing a country we're not at war with. You know what, people come to me and say, Tim, it's war. We're dealing with terrorist factions. We've got allies in the region. It's conflict.

You cannot claim it's murder. And I'm just like, I guess, but don't come to me and then insult Donald Trump for negotiating with Kim Jong-un when you were bombing civilians. So I look at the North Korean thing, and it's, I wonder if, I wonder about the perspectives of other people. Who know exactly what it is to have a family saying, here's where we're from, here's the town

your grandfather grew up in, because I have that somewhat on one side of my family and not on the other. Because I hear the story of, oh, you know, your great grandfather was from this town in North Korea, but we have no idea because since the splitting of the country, that's it. We're cut off. Let me give you some credit.

And I'll tell you why I want to give you credit is because Pat started the entire podcast with basically your evolution politically, right? Ideologically, you've been all over the map and you're kind of finding your groove right now. But what you're able to do is you're able to separate personality from policy. And most people in America are just straight up voting for their team, they're voting for their jersey, they're voting for the personality, they agree with, they don't go through the nuance of policy right here. And essentially what you're saying is you,

you actually to use your words, you actually found him to be disgusting and vulgar and a whole host of words, I think you said despicable at one point, but you're still vote for him because you're able to separate the personality from the policy. Why can't most people do that? I mean humans are social creatures. You know, we don't know everything about everything. The average person doesn't know what's going out in the world because it's not their job to and I don't blame them for it. I'm not going to ask a plumber to read the news 24 or seven all day every day like I do. And so the best thing they can do is say, do I trust this guy? Does he appear genuine to me?

Barack Obama very much did so. And for me, coming off of the Bush years of war and military expansion in the Middle East, which was unjustified, to then be told Obama was the guy who was going to put a stop to the unjust wars to see him ramp it up and then to bomb kids. The disposition, Obama had something called the disposition matrix, the kill list. I don't know if you guys are familiar with every Tuesday they give him baseball card style sheet saying like, who do you want to kill? He made the decision to kill.

Kobe had one too. Kobe had what Kobe Brian has a different story. He's thrown you off. And so I just see that I'm like, I was lied to. It's all the same. What's the point? 2016 comes around Donald Trump's running a artillery and I was just laughing the whole time.

I was like, this is America. The reality TV real estate mogul against the deep state witch who said she did not care if we went to war with Russia because she wanted to own Syria. What a disgusting person. And then Donald Trump gets in. You didn't vote for Trump. It's not vote for him in 26 years. And I assume you didn't vote for her either though. Oh absolutely. Not the which. So you voted third party. No, I didn't vote. I said, what's the point? And probably looking back on it, I mean, who was it? Who was the libertarian?

The four Joe jogger. Gary Johnson. Gary Johnson. And then he had the Aleppo moment. What is Aleppo? I didn't know the fucking city. And Tim, it's crazy that you say that about Barack doing all the war and all the bombing of the innocent kids.

Trump crossed the DMZ and shook hands and everything. Guess who got the Nobel Peace Prize? Obama got the Peace Prize. Donald Trump dropped strike to a bunch of countries, Drone Struck or whatever. Donald Trump ordered a commando raid in Yemen, which according to family members resulted in the death of Abdul Rahman Al-Alaqiz seven-year-old sister

an American citizen. So there's challenges even with Donald Trump. So that's why I'm like, you know, you're never gonna find someone who is a saint, who's doing everything right. However, Donald Trump, no new wars. Donald Trump, Abraham Accords, Donald Trump withdraw from, well, the timeline for the withdraw from Afghanistan butchered by Joe Biden, the dismantling of ISIS, the crushing

of ISIS, the removal of our troops from Syria, despite the fact that the US top brass lied to us and Donald Trump to keep troops in Syria, and then as soon as Biden gets in, troops go right back in. The challenging thing for the American people is, there's no way they're gonna know about the history of the region, there's no way I could, and there's no way they're gonna know

about why we're at war in Ukraine, so all they can really do is say, am I with the people, or am I against the people? What I view as the woke left is not ideological. The woke to me means cult-like adherence to liberal social orthodoxy crafted by social media algorithms. That's why they're somewhat Marxist,

but also pro-war in Ukraine. Ukraine has, supporting war in Ukraine is no basis in critical theory or anything like that. So you have these right-wing academics and liberal academics who are like, oh, woke means Marxist and all that. I'm like, yeah, that's an explain why they're so supportive of going to war in Ukraine. It's really just adherence to the social orthodoxy because it's a survival tactic of human

beings. I think if the average person actually knew what was going on, they would all immediately oppose the war in Ukraine. They would, I mean, you don't have to like Vladimir Putin. They would immediately agree with Donald Trump on most of his foreign policy. They'd probably vote for him again. But most people don't know that. They rely on the lies of people like Hillary Clinton, Blinken, or Joe Biden.

And that's the challenge. What can you expect them to do if they don't have the time to read all of these news reports, all of these scientific studies, what can they do? But this goes back to Pat's initial point. Go buy a fucking media outlet and get your narrative out there. But you know, just like we, to circle back to Vice, George Soros is funding Vice.

I mean, not like, not a Jeff Bezos, Wapo, anything like that. I mean, extreme far left. So you kind of said that Republicans are just kind of mining their own business. They're buying buildings, they're buying businesses, they're buying corporations, but they're not buying media outlets.

That's like Trump's not a Republican. He's an insurgent candidate who entered the Republican party because it was the only path to win. He was a moderate New York liberal and even Vox.com in 2015 and 2016 called Trump a moderate candidate. And if Trump wasn't a billionaire, he probably could run as a democrat and win the problem is tax the rich Bernie Sanders he wasn't going to get that base so trump campaigned for lost americans people who never voted before independent voters and he won them over they come into the

republican party and start pushing people out trump also converted nine million obama voters into republican voters this pushes the republican establishment back trump would not have one among republican establishment voters hence why you see people like bill crystal and uh... you know the link in project people now supporting democrat candidates because that's closer to where they were in terms of establishment politics yeah i could imagine uh...

this is why people are so aligned with either a bernie or trump back in twenty sixteen so you know it's funny he's saying that Trump claims you know he would end the war in Ukraine and one day it would be easy. This is the story from independent or a Trump class claim he would end the Russia war. If he was president the former president described the situation as a disaster. If I were president and I say this I will end the war in one day. We take 24 hours. I know Zalinsky well. I know Putin well. I would get that ended in a period of 24 hours.

It would be easy. The deal would be easy. Do you agree with 100% tell me what? Trump's gonna go to Putin and say, we are ending all support for the Ukrainians in this matter. What, here are the concessions we're gonna make. I imagine what people need to understand about what this means. Trump likely hands over Don Bass to Russia.

Hands over Sevastopol Crimea to Russia Russia, confirmed Don, end of story. The history of what's going on in this region is very, very complicated. The average person probably doesn't know. And I can only go so far back. There is something called the Cutter Turkey Pipeline. Back in 2009, the CIA intended to oust the Assad regime because they would not allow us to build a natural gas pipeline through Syria, Turkey, into Europe us to build a natural gas pipeline through Syria, Turkey, into Europe, to offset Russia's natural gas monopoly in Ukraine. So what ends up happening is Western powers go to Syria say, hey, we want to build this pipeline.

It's going to go through Syria through Turkey. They say, no, explicitly, we are allied with Russia, and that would be against their interests. What then happens is, I think it was Iran and Russia say, let's build our own version of this pipeline, tapping the same natural gas source and running it up bolstering our natural gas control into Europe.

There's a lot of reasons for why the West was upset about it. One of them is that the point of the EU and the reason they want cheap energy is so they can develop economically faster to compete with China. When they were looking at this massive dependence on high cost Russian natural gas and an inability to get any alternatives into Europe, they said, let's end Syria. Fortunately for the West, a civil war just happened to have broken out, you know, for

whatever reason. And we were on the opposite side of that. ISIS then emerges, Syria destabilizes how very convenient. Joe Biden, Joe Biden's son becomes a board member of an energy company in Ukraine, surprise surprise, also a former CIA director is also on the board of charisma. Joe Biden then goes to Ukraine and tells the president if you don't fire the prosecutor Victor Schoke and you're not getting a billion dollars in loan guarantees, which is illegal, I might add. The vice president is not of the authority to stop, congressional approved loan guarantees

to another country, but hey, they impeached Donald Trump for that, but you don't care that Joe Biden did it. I think the principle reason of what's happening here is we, Russia, is impeding our ability to expand in Europe economically. Nord Stream 2, for instance, who blew that up, likely, I think, what are the things? Maybe seals probably. I think they're saying it was CIA assisted, and it was like the British perhaps, I gotta follow.

They don't have a clear answer, is I think? No, well, but it's not, we're not stupid. Yeah, we're not blown up their own pipeline. Yeah, that's ridiculous. But all of this is, it's very obvious, that we have a dependence on Russian gas, we're trying to resist. And so what happens with Ukraine, NATO's been expanding into Eastern Europe for a very,

very long time, Estonia, Latvia on the border of Russia. Russia has, it's only warm water port in Sevastopol, Crimea, which gives them access to the Black Sea, to the Mediterranean, and then outward, a lot of trade goes through there. And then what happens? The Euro-Midant protests emerge and the people of Ukraine are now split. Pro-Russia, pro-EU. Most of them leaning towards pro-EU. That's what I've seen from the data. And in my personal experience, having been on the ground when that was happening and talking to the people of Kiev, even random people saying, we don't trust Russia, we know the history of

the Soviet Union, the holodomor, we want to be with the EU. So when Russia sees that happening, what people need to understand is that, uh, shout out Dave Smith, Russia did not, in the immediate invade, quote unquote, this is back in I think 2014, they were already in Crimea. It's a Vostopol. They simply walked out of the bases that hey, we're here. Now you can argue the referendum was fake and all that, but what do you think Russia is going to do if NATO seeks to expand into a country and the EU when that's their only warm water port in access to the Black Sea?

I mean, it's fight. It's fight. It's fight time. That's it. So you can argue that Russia started the fight. You can argue and people say, no, NATO did, people say no, Russia did. I'm like, dude, if Russia started putting troops in Mexico and then threatened to cut off the U.S. access and the Gulf, the U.S. is going to be them fighting words.

And then especially if more importantly, if Russia already controlled a large portion of the border, like NATO controls, NATO is in Estonia and Latvia, Russia is already angry about this. It doesn't matter who you blame, it matters, a fight will happen. And that's where we are. I think Trump goes in, negotiates, it pisses off Ukraine, it pisses off Russia, but it ends the fight. So, but, and just really good example, forgets,

but so Tim, if Trump doesn't come in and Trump doesn't win, do you think war will rush us inevitable with the way that things are going with Russia? I agree, but I'm saying to all of you, I charge you on the ground. 100%. The first we got the story from the intercept, they kept denying it. It's not like it's the most people in the world.

I think it's a special force. It's NATO special forces in the several dozen. But now it's been leaked. It's true. The US is providing intelligence to you. Here's what's happening, right? If you and your neighbor are fighting with each other, and then I walk up to you and I hand you a big ol' pile of rocks, and I tell you where to throw them, do you think your

neighbor is going to be like, that guy's not involved at all? It's going to be like, this dude is the one, so we're arming Ukraine. We're telling them where to shoot their missiles. The United States provided the intel to Ukraine to sink the black sea flagship of Russia. The idea that Russia, as Putin is going, man, how is Ukraine beating us? It's absurd. Putin is saying, NATO is at war with us using the Ukrainians as cannon fodder. American citizens, as quote unquote volunteers, military trained and armed are on the ground.

It's the most ridiculous thing in the world, but people live in this reality where because there's no formal declaration, that means United States veteran troops armed by the United States, that means we're not actually at war. Like, I'm sorry, dude, you can't have PM private military contractors, quote unquote, volunteers from the United States and Western countries, fighting a war funded by you, armed by you, and then expect to believe Russia thinks they're not fighting you. Like Russia and Russian television outright said, we are at war with NATO. And I do believe

that Putin will use nuclear weapons, but people need to understand, nuclear weapon does not mean ICBM raining hellfire in a city. Sure. Tactical nuclear artillery. Did you see what happened? Of course, the bubble, the what do you call it? Now, the balloon that came down and attempted, you have a clip-rop.

If you can, a drone coming down, Tim, if you can look at this here, Tim, right here. Oh, right, the crem- So while you're finding that, can you go find the video of the bubble coming in? Okay, got it. Okay, yeah, play that if you can so the audience can see it. Oh, the drone shred.

Yeah, this just happened a couple days ago. Okay, so question. Who's involved? Well, you know, this is Putin doing it because he wants to say that there's an attack. So he can use this as a leverage point to attack Ukraine. And he can say, well, I'm just reacting to it. No, it was really, they were attempting to do, to go after him.

You know, this was Ukraine's job. You know, they're trying to get him to an attempt on assassination. Well, if that is the case, why would you do that? Wait, that's not even that big. That's not a big deal. That's not how you're going to kill the guy. No, it was US involved.

No, it's an outsider. No, it says, what do you think all this stuff here with this, with this plume here? First, it doesn't matter who did it or why they did it. All that matters is there's a video. Russia said the US did it. Russia will escalate on that pretext. We can then get into the argument of, you know, did he fake it? Did he not? I think people underestimate what we're seeing, you know, The conversation we've had is like, what is that even doing?

What is that small thing? Why did it explode? Where it exploded? Well, I believe they shot it down. But the scary thing about these drones is they can carry powerful explosives, they can swarm. This, it could be a false fight. There's no real way to know.

It could be Russia saying send in a single drone. My question is if it was Ukraine, how did they launch this attack? Where did they launch it from? But it does fall in line with what you would actually expect to see in terms of this kind of warfare. You're not going to see Ukraine firing missiles from Ukrainian territory into the air targeting Moscow or anything like that. You're going to see guerrilla tactics and small scale insurgency style sabotage and attacks like this. This could have been a Ukrainian or a Ukrainian sympathetic Russian or any other foreign mercenary who had a drone.

I don't know how big that drone was. I'm not sure if it was a size of a car or whatever, but you can do these things with very small consumer drones. They can carry explosive. It's terrifying. It could be that someone, James Bond style went to Moscow, put the thing on the ground, ran away, and then waited an hour, and then someone remotely activated, launched it, and tried to take out Putin. Yeah. I mind you, whoever was flying you, I mean, it didn't, it didn't, it didn't even

make the flag go down. It didn't even really penetrate anything. So whoever's, no, no, no one's flying it. Yeah, probably nobody's just by itself. Automatic. People have said, you know, cut off the signal. Now, these things have a GPS in them. It knows where it is and where it needs to go. Even if you cut off its access to GPS in the internet, it already has a mapped trajectory in it. Well, the only thing I'm saying is,

let's play propaganda, okay? If you're Putin and you're behind this and you did this and you attack Ukraine, guess what you can say? Listen, you don't do that to us. You're going to allow them to do something like that to us. We have to stay strong. We can't have them think about this. So what prompted me shown this clip is when you said, I think Putin is going to use nuclear and nuclear is now what you think it is that all this stuff you're going through. Okay. If NATO keeps pushing the envelope and they're getting involved and they're saying, no, we're not involved.

No, we're not involved. No, we're not. No, listen, you're involved. And this is a war that it's you against Russia. It's not really, I saw something the other day, a picture of a great funny meme that says, let me show you how to work from home and make 40 billion dollars. And it's a lens. I don't know if this one now. It's freaking hilarious. That is hilarious.

I'll send it to you, Rob. You have to show this as one of the funnier memes I've seen this week. I sent it to Mario. It tells you how much Mario loves politics. Mario says, Pat, I don't get it. I'm like, it's okay. The homewarding. Yeah.

It's a, it's a, Rob, I'll send it to, I'll text it to you. It's worth watching. So, but the point is, if, if, um's a, Rob, I'll send it to, I'll text it to you. It's worth watching. So, but the point is, if, if, um, Russia, and I did this intentional, intentionally to attack, if in the next three, four, five days, Russia does attack in Ukraine in a major way, I mean, there's got to be a percentage to be thinking about this was strategic. I don't know if it was a false flag. I mean, I can go back and forth because it's impossible to know. But I think Russia would have already made a declaration

if they said the US was behind this. They're the ones who are pushing this. This is actually really, really bad for Russia if they're unprepared for full scale war with NATO. So the strategy, man, it could go a million ways. Let's imagine the scenario. The United States wants to force Russia to declare war on us so that we can formally enter, so that the United States can take all of everything it has and put it in Ukraine.

How do you make that happen? This is the worst thing that could have happened to Putin. A pathetic failed attempt, which they are now forced to say was us, and they will do nothing about it. I think that if it was actually a false flag, they probably, I don't know was us, and they will do nothing about it. I think that if it was actually a false flag, they probably, I don't know, crash a plane into the Kremlin or something, like blow up a large portion of it with a cruise missile, and then say they directly attacked us. It's there.

Look, it's on camera. They blast the video everywhere. This is a pathetic little drone. Two of them blowing up and nothing happens. If it was the US who did it, and Russia said it is, here's the world stage. The United States, according to Russia, just tried to kill its president, and Russia says, we can't do anything about it. Makes them look weak, and it's going to scare their allies thinking they're going to

lose this one. Who am I batting on? Which horse? So, that's why I ultimately, I don't know. I don't know. I think a false flag from Russia would have been stronger, and they would have immediately made some kind of move. And they don't need an assassination attempt on Putin to justify nuclear artillery use or strikes in Ukraine. Because striking Ukraine when they're blaming you as doesn't make sense.

So on the premise that they're looking weak, I think when this war started, nobody wants to see this war, by the way. I mean, generally speaking, like people are actually dying on the ground. It's hundreds of thousands of people. It's very sad. But I think when this thing started, we think Russia is just gonna pummel Ukraine. They're just gonna take over this country.

It's done. And then fast forward, it's been a year and a half. Ukraine's holding its own apparently. Russia is basically outsourcing half their military. I got a large portion of this as Wagner group. Whoever this is, they're basically pulling people out of fucking prison to start fighting for them. You have mothers protesting that the sons are dying

for a war they don't want a part of. Would you hear that? Right, well this is mainstream media. Well this is where you're hearing it from. But this Wagner group is a real group that they are basically outsourcing, are they not? Yeah, well I mean if you believe the American corporate press, which I tend to, even though

I'm very critical of it, I do fact check these things, and we have to get our information from somewhere. That's a difficult thing to do. Looking at various sources around the world to try and figure out what's true and what's not. If you go to Russian sources, they'll tell you the exact opposite of what you just said. Well, you can't trust anything that comes out of our tiered Russian forces. You can't trust anything coming out of of our dear Russia. Yeah. Yeah.

You can't trust anything coming out of the New York Times. No, I mean, that Trump was working for Russia. Yeah. No, and at the same time, Adam, they thought it was going to happen like overnight, he was going to take them over. I don't think anybody expected us to send them billions of dollars, tanks, troops, and all that. I mean, they're, they're, they're, they're, they,

the UK is sending in depleted uranium tank busters, which Russia has already said that is an escalation to the use of nuclear force. I agree. I guess my point is I'm not saying that I believe everything that comes out of the corporate left media at all. I think at this point, we've all just, we realize that the Russia, Russia, Russia, and when you're in the middle of a conversation

with somebody, you're avoiding the big chunk of the coffee bar in your mouth, probably because you sound concerned. I mean, I got something serious to say. You can be a gay starving star. You can do a friggin' nougat. Rob, show the article from zero-hid.

My point is this, I tend to believe New York Times more than Russian propaganda. There's levels to line up. Russia calls the New York Times American propaganda. Exactly. So, so, Russia has its interests, the US has its interests. I think Putin is a bad dude. I think Putin's a substantially worse dude than Joe Biden is. And I think Joe Biden's a pretty bad dude.

So if I had Joe Biden in front of me and Vladimir Putin in front of me and Joe Biden said, here's what's happening, I'd be like, you know, I think you're both full of it, but I'm gonna go Biden on this one, even though I don't like the guy. Yeah. So I agree that the question is,

when it comes to the granular nature of all of the news coming out, the US is lying to you, right? You can't trust anything they say. It would be the stupidest military strategy in the world to tell the public what you're doing in war or why you're doing it. You'd lose in two seconds. So that just means whether we like Biden or not, we can't trust Russia or the United States corporate press on this one.

We can trust to a greater degree people on the ground, but then you're going to get conflicting narratives. The reality is it's called fog of war. We probably won't know. And that whoever wins is going to tell us what we should think. That's how history works. Absolutely. Because here's zero hedge articles.

So former CIA officer says decision to drone attack Kremlin was made by the United States. Former CIA intelligence officer Larry Johnson, different Larry Johnson, then grandma Moss, says the decision to launch a drone attack on the Kremlin was made by the United States called the law. The Wednesday attack, which was likely to have been targeting Russian President Vladimir Putin

was stopped by an electronic warfare system which disabled the drones before they could reach their target. According to Johnson, the attack must have been spearheaded by the Biden administration and the US military industrial complex because decisions on such attacks are not are made not in Kiev but in Washington Washington should understand clearly that we know this although the attack which you crank denied it was involved and failed to accomplish its tactical goal it was still highly symbolic according to Johnson. Can you Google Johnson?

Go to Johnson's Wikipedia real quick. Let me tell you what I do. You're in a war and you don't want to be obvious. A false flag could be obvious. The United States says we need to send in more money into Ukraine. How can we accomplish this? For the low, low cost of two drones, the US stages a really ridiculous assassination attempt. Russia blows it up, tricking Russia into blaming the US, and then any escalation can be seen, can be, can be swung or manipulated into being against the United States, giving the US grounds for a cast's belly, a cause for war. So if, uh, if Russia takes the bait and then, and they're doing it, saying you, the US did this and they take any action against us, it gives the US what the US wants, cause for

war to enter Ukraine. And then they can come to the American people, every corporate channel will say, I tell you what will happen. YouTube will issue new community guidelines saying, if you support Russian propaganda at a time of war when the US is facing an existential nuclear threat, we will take your videos down. And you'll say, I wonder what that means. It means if you don't support the war, there's no way YouTube is going to let anyone have that conversation if you try and actually talk about what you think may be happening yeah i just looked up with the skies larry johnson what he's done he was with

the c-i-four few years got out he's appeared on news hour larry kink he's made some comments about obama the past before but zero hedges very very credible uh... uh... uh... website that a lot of people in many different industries exact that executives in a financial industry follow what these guys have to say anyways let's go to the next of people in many different industries. Executives in a financial industry, follow what these guys have to say. Anyways, let's go to the next story. So a couple of the super chats I'll read.

Here's one from Chris Bradley, $500. Life expectancy in America has been declining since the 80s. In comparison to all other industrialized nations, Dr. Shiva is the only US presidential candidate willing to address the real issues as we face a nation. If you're, if you're, if you want your children to die soon or continue to vote left and right, if you want real change, vote, vote Dr. Shiva. Dr. Shiva was a guy that got a lot of momentum during the early stages of COVID with a lot of different names, but here's a question for you're seen, uh, RFK, you're

seen VVAC, you're seeing different names coming. You know, RFK is now in the conversations where you know, schedule and some kind of podcast. It's fantastic, by the way. So the question will be, what are some wild cards that were not even Chris Christie says in two weeks, I'm gonna go in and I know Trump is afraid of debating the oldest.

But who are some wild cards that nobody is thinking about? That could be potential stars in the 2024, or we pretty much already know who it is, no one else is gonna get into it. Yeah, I think we know who it is. You're gonna see people pop up because they want to sell books. I wouldn't be surprised if AOC pops in. I think it's a very low probability for Ocasio-Cortez.

Oh, go on. But she's famous enough to do it. Is she even 35? She will be, yes. And so she is eligible. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure. But I think we know who it's going to be. She's eligible by two weeks. She's going to be she'll be 35 October 13th of two weeks before election. So she's 33 right now. Actually, I think

it's you have to be 35 before being inaugurated, which means if her birthday was the day before inauguration, I think that would still keep her make her out. Very disappointed. Let's live in reality right now for at least for now. I think she's got 10 years for it. Yeah, but first we made with Thugin of Olworth. She's gonna get a vote. The AOC is a star.

That's what you have to agree with me. And everyone has a star for the left. You're right. Everyone likes that Trump and she is, if you see what'll happen with an AOC, as I think, the media will proper up as a star Democrat, which default liberals they're described as, which is vote for, she will capture the progressive left in a way that no Democrat candidate can. Yeah. I mean, come on, Biden.

Yeah. Sleepy Joe is not going to cut it this time around. There's no pandemic to keep people locked up. Yeah. Me and Adam had a, we still haven't bet on it because you were in Vegas. You should have done it. We bet that besides Biden, Gavin Newsom, we're probably be the guy to slide in. We just had another conversation. Tim, I don't want to say no names. But this guy looked at us and goes, do not be surprised. If out of nowhere, Michelle Obama just told you, you know what? Here I go because she's denied, denied, denied. Which one do you think is a more reasonable like other Michelle or Gavin?

Or were they both? Gavin, people think Gavin is the going to be the guy. But you never know, man. And it is relatively early. But I'm not so convinced Michelle Obama would want to do it, but I do think it's a very strong chance of winning. However, ask me a year or two ago, I probably would have said Michelle Obama would win in a landslide. And I mean, that figuratively not literally. I mean, she'd win by like a strong margin. Now, I'm not so convinced, you know, I like to hang out at the, the, the, the casinos on the weekend play poker. And I'm at MGM National Harbor. This is in West Virginia.

No, it's a great hotel. MGM National Harbor. They just build it a few years. It's a beautiful hotel. I'm Jim National Harbor. They just build it a few years. It's a beautiful location. Beautiful. On the water. Incredible. In Maryland. Oh, it's gorgeous. I just stayed there when I was there.

It's just out of D.C., but it is Maryland. It's beautiful location. Yeah. Beautiful. This is D.C. This is as blue as it gets. I'm sitting at a poker table, not a single person at that table at anything nice to say about Joe Biden or Donald Trump.

But they all said, I don't know, man, I can't vote for Joe Biden. And that felt to me kind of like a, I don't wanna say I vote for Trump, but I'm probably gonna vote for Trump. If he's the guy, because a lot of that. There's a lot of that going on. Let me give you another name, because you live in West Virginia.

You might like him, you might hate him. I don't know, but I'm gonna throw this out there. I actually like your senator, Joe Manchin. Nobody likes him in West Virginia. But how does he keep getting elected? He's not gonna get elected. No, no, no, no, no, Joe Manchin. Nobody likes him in West Virginia. But how does he keep getting elected? He's not going to get elected. No, no, no, no, no, no. He's been elected for the last 40 years.

He's devastated. Hear me out here, guys. Tim, yeah. He's, whether or not he gets elected for the 50th time. He goes through knife clubs wearing Joe Manchin shirt. 100%. But he's been elected as a Democrat in the red estate in the country, or one of the red estates of the country, continually, as a Democrat.

How does he do it? How does he continue to do it? I mean, whether he continues or not, but he's done it already, proof is in the pudding. Firstly, I'm in the Eastern Panhandle, which is an hour from DC, 15 minutes from Frederick, big cities, and it's like a moderate area that leans right. And then you get into the core of West Virginia and it is MAGA country is 86%. I mean, Greg, the people who live around me

were all die hard Trump. Because this country used to be fairly moderate. Because Democrats, you look at Joe Manchin's politics and he's fairly conservative in a lot of ways. So back when he did run, I mean, was it 2018, I think he got reelected. The country was relatively different and people were still willing to say, yeah, Democrat Republican.

But now you think we've changed that much in four years. Dude, people wanted to drink Bud Light. I'm at the casino. Oh, punch you right in the face right now, Tim Caz. There's an old guy and he's just like, I ain't drinking that. And I'm like, do you even know why you're not drinking that? It's just the culture wars have become so pronounced. That's what I was saying.

I think Peter Teo's wrong about DeSantis. The hyper polarization in this country is the conversation. So I just think I go to, I'm hanging out in West Virginia. There's not a single person I have ever met who says they would vote for Joe Manchin. You've got too many great options. You've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got,

you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've got you mean just right now. Okay. Got you. So you think things have transformed that much in the last four years. Yep. That's someone who's been a Democrat in mansion. Maga country. If mansion switches parties, he might say in a chance. Yeah. But you've got Mooney who I believe is running. He's the he represents West Virginia's first and the the Trump people love him. You have Jim Justice, the governor, who's term limited out and he's gonna run for Senate. And they've elected him to a term limit,

so people seem to like him. I'm not gonna pretend to know enough everything about West Virginia politics. I've only been here for a couple of years, but just my general understanding from being there and talking to people, we actually just went to a dinner, a Republican dinner this past weekend.

No one there likes me, not a single person at anything nice to say about them. They all are gunning for a job. I'm him. You ruined Adam. Adam, on your way to Miami tonight, I want you to be listened to the song Country Road. To take me home. To the place I belong West Virginia, mountain out. I got my gun visit you.

I got that in your area. What? And this offends the people of West Virginia mountain. I got my own. I got my own. I got that. What? And this offends the people of West, that song's not about West Virginia. It's about Montgomery County, Maryland. Look at her. Oh, great. What did you mean?

It says West Virginia, then, no? So what happened was the songwriters were driving through Montgomery County, Maryland, which is on the other side. Yeah. And started singing the song, country roots, take me home to the place where I belong. And then they were like, Montgomery County. No, that didn't sound too good. West Virginia wore it.

West Virginia. Yeah. And it worked. You have now broken my heart twice in one podcast. And the one good song that I thought was about West Virginia. Oh my gosh. They then went, apparently the songwriters then went back and started doing research on, so John Denver didn't write it.

He performed it. The writers then went back and started researching research on, so John Denver didn't write it, he performed it. The writers then went back and started researching words and places and things about West Virginia to put in the song. So the song is about West Virginia. It was inspired by Maryland. Well Adam, did you hear the rule? I heard a rumor too about the whole presidential race

that, actually, you know, Pat was actually born in Iran that he's gonna be trans, he's gonna self-identify as an American born citizen, and then run for a president. What do you mean, if I could change my gender, why can't he change his brain? That would be the ultimate change. If you could do gender change,

why can't he say, I was born here? So you got my vote. Identifies a natural born citizen. That's what I'm gonna say. I'm an Alzheimer's. Well, trans, here's what you do. The tactic is starting today, you need to start changing what natural born citizen means,

one step at a time. So what does born even mean? Born doesn't mean when your body comes into this world. Are you, are you a, look, I mean, are you alive? Only after you're born, are you alive in the womb of the mother? Exactly. And if you are, then what is born? So born must imply then your personal identification

and experiences. So if you're naturally experiencing of an American perspective, that does mean you're eligible for. And what is natural, man? What is, what is anything in you farm raised where you are artificial intelligence? How did that happen?

Wow. This is how they, the gender thing is in city, is how it happens. They start saying, woman doesn't mean adult human female, it means something else. Then when you go back to laws that use the word woman, specifically refer to females, it now has a different meaning

because the culture changed the meaning of the words. That's the tactic. You know, I always say, we did not create women's sports teams because sometimes people wear dresses. We created women's sport teams for females who have different bodies than males. But you see how they changed the definition of the word. Now, a cultural woman is able to play

in a female division because the words are meaningless. Yeah. Let's change it up to a different story and we'll come back to RFK and a couple other Trump the Sanctus before we wrap up. So Kanye West reportedly fires extremist Nick Fuentes from political team and rehires Milo Unopolis after Trump, dinner, riff.

This is a story from May 4th, the four-page story, page 14. You can go to it here. See what Forbes has to say. Here we go. Rapper and potential presidential candidate, Kanye West has reportedly fired White House supremacists, White House supremacists.

Nick Fuentes and reinstated right wing a provocateur, provocateur, Milo Unopolis and his long shot 2024 campaign. West has also reportedly ousted Ali Alexander, 2020 election denier and organizer of the stop to steal movement, Unopolis allegedly sent emails to Fues and Alexander informing them they were terminated and

had been and he had been appointed director of political operations. West 2024 campaign has been marked by stops and starts. Last year he ran for president and received only 0.04% the popular vote nationally. His business empire collapsed

after he made a series of anti semedic comments and praised the Adolf Hitler. Yanapolis rose to prominence as an editor, but bribe art news, but lost this job after video clips emerge of him saying it was possible for 13 year boys to have perfectly consensual sexual relations with adults. So what are your thoughts on the story? I think my loyal monopolist is a genius.

He is he is planning things that you don't even know. And then they are working. And I am not surprised to hear that he is once again working with the A, because I wouldn't be surprised if this was his plan the entire time. I don't know what else to say about it. I mean, it feels all a bit chaotic,

but you know, from what I know of Milo, from the conversations I've had with him, from what people have heard him talk about, you know, this dude has a plan. You know, he what I know of Milo, from the conversations I've had with him, from what people have heard him talk about, you know this dude has a plan. You know, he's doing something. He's not just sitting there throwing dark boards at the wall. He's like, he's got something going on. What is that something?

I don't know. I don't know. I think he wants revenge on the Republican establishment. I think he wants revenge for dedicating so much of his life to Trump, Maga, and the conservative movement only to be insulted and thrown out. And I think he is particularly someone who is formidable and clearly has the means to strike back and be successful in doing so.

I'm not saying he's guaranteed to win whatever it is he is planning, but now he is rehired by Kanye West. Whatever his plan is, it seems to be working. You define this working? Yeah. Oh yeah. Define working. What is working?

Well, I suppose it's, if Miley and Appalice is mad at their public and establishment. Yeah. And then he gets Kanye West into the fray in politics. And he gets, you have a, the House GOP.p. tweeted something like a musk Kanye Trump or whatever and then you goes on Alex Jones's show and such praising Hitler causing damage for the Republicans like I think he's getting his revenge in some in some form like what working is I'll put I'll put this way if what he was doing wasn't working we would not be talking about him

so I don't know what his plan is, but he has maintained his position and his influence and his effect. There you go. Kanye, Elon Trump, they tweeted that out. They deleted it. Yeah. Now, I wonder how much Milo had to do with that. My house judiciary, GOP. Yeah. Kanye, Elon Trump. What does that mean exactly? They were just saying like, I guess they like these guys, right? Elon was buying Twitter, Trump is Trump, Kanye was speaking out in support of Trump and things like that.

And now, because there's a fascinating thing that occurs in this country in terms of what I call cultural context, the context of the time is not praising what Kanye said about a Hitler. It doesn't matter. Because what the left will do is if you praise Kanye 10 years ago, for being a great musician, you say that you think he's a genius, they will cut the date out and just take the tweet and say, you praised Kanye West. How dare you, that's awful. And you're like, that was 10 years ago. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

That was during college dropout. Yeah. That's coming up. Yeah. I loved him. Not how it works. They stripped the context around. So I'll give college job out. Yeah. Yeah. I loved him. Not how it works. They strip the context around. So I'll give you an example. I once said, there's a video of me where I'm like, I don't trust the New York Times.

I trust Dave Rubin, right? If I'm looking at this and Dave Rubin, I'm not gonna trust the New York Times. What they do is they cut that particular quote and they say, look how stupid Tim Poole is trusting Dave Rubin over New York Times. It was referring to one specific story. And I can't remember exactly the details, but what will happen is there will be a reporter

reporting on your life, Patrick. And then your friend will come out and make a video saying, like, look, if I'm reading about this, I trust Patrick. I don't trust the New York Times. And then they're going to be like, how stupid of him to trust a podcast over the media. It's like, do the story was about him and the job he had? Why would I trust a next-turnal company about him personally? But what they do is they'll strip out the context to make it sound like you're speaking generally. Another example,

as I said, there's a clip of me going, Info Wars is like a right-wing Huffington post, blah, blah. And then they're like, temple actually thinks Info Wars is credible news. The specific context of the story is, there were journalists on the ground covering Donald Trump's rally. Their goal is to try and capture people the way I'm supposed to do. Like they're like a right wing huffington post. So in one specific context, I'm saying this thing, they stripped that out. That works. So what I look, I again, I don't know what what Milo's plan is or what Yeh's plan is for that matter. But if Milo is able to get himself into the highest, like Kanye's, probably the most famous guy in the planet

or one of them, he's got access, he's doing something. You just don't know, you just don't know what he's doing. But I mean, let's talk about what not working would be. We wouldn't be talking about it, we wouldn't know where he was. And the fact of the matter is, there's probably seven billion people you can't name whose plan is not working. Yeah, that's a good point.

I don't know. We'll see what's going to add a very interesting conversation with my low one time six years ago, seven years ago in Florida. But you know, the guy's definitely a great marketer. Didn't he just start to rob you would tell me something about he started to call clinic? Yeah, it's a conversion therapy clinic here in Florida and Sarasota, I believe. It is a what does it do? Rob, I believe it conversion, like, conversion from Democrats to Republicans.

Oh, no. So it comes in the slaps you in the head from, I believe homosexuality to heterosexuality. This is my low. Let me bring it back. Let's, let's talk about how the media lies. I had my Lee and Apples on my show. And we talked about the media says you're straight now. My lo says I never said that.

My lo explained that he is a gay man who is Christian, recognizes that these behaviors and practices are bad, so he will abstain from them and thus be a Sullivan. The media, the media that's... Go back to his picture, Rob. The media then started reporting, he's claiming he's now straight, but that is not what he said at all. And so I actually asked him,

I was like, so you're still attracted to many, he's like, yes. And I'm like, okay, but you're not gonna be hooking up and he's like, no, that's wrong. And I'm like, okay, so you're Sullivan, he's like, yes. Oh, wow. So that's a very different story to it than that. Then the video was, was that. Yeah.

How long did it sell a bit last though for you? I mean, it's been a long time. It's been serious. It's been serious. Go down to the story, Rob. Can we read this? A rightful and cultural critic, Milo Unopolis, came out last year, last week, that's ex gay

and is now prepared to open a controversial conversion therapy, facility in Florida. The post-accelain interview with the post, the former bribe article that are revealed, his plans to launch a rep, what is that? Repertive. Repertive therapy clinic to help other people go through the same journey as I'm on myself, despite the lack of data show effectiveness of the exercise, ask and what it is, what sense he is ex-Gey and Apple has told the post that he is

an ongoing process of trying to reorient his homosexuality, but for now is in a stage of abstinence and enjoys using the term to troll his critic. He just tells you what he's doing. Yeah, exactly. X, gay. Right. I still think a conversion therapy place for Democrats or Republican is pretty funny. What is a conversion therapy place?

Is it a strip club? Is that kind of like, what you're planning where? Just bunch of girls. You're like, just like this. Yeah. I don club? Is that kind of like? Like, just like, just a clinic where just bunch of girls, you like just like this. Yeah. I don't know what that was. No, no, working against me. Do you guys consider yourselves right wing conservative or conservative? I'm a registered independent hot, you know, total support of capillaries.

Uh, and conservative beliefs when raising kids. Do you have, do you bring in leftist guests come on the show? Oh my God. David Pakman was here a couple months ago. We had Kai Kalinsky Conch lens we had Jank you girl. We had Sam cedar of five weeks ago. We had Andrew Yang on Trotsky We had Andrew Yang we have a Trotsky. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, about how we saw body elevate. Yeah. Why do you ask that? It's almost impossible for us to get these people to come on the show. They just won't do it. You had our friend, Destini. No, you know who we had off? Yeah, Destiny, Vosh.

We just had Lance from the surface. Sam Cedar wants to come on, but I think he's one of the most disingenuous human beings in the space. So like I advise you to still have them on. Well, I invited him and then he used it against us as a weapon So I just he's cut off got it. He's also I can tell you this I love saying this by the way There are some other high profile podcasts that have completely boycutted him and I've he's not complained about this not understanding Why and I know why but he's considered widely in the space to be

I mean, it's kind of stupid to say but grifter We've heard similar things I'll tell it at that. Well, I'll tell you the story. I tweeted, hey, we often invite leftist guests on our show and they just don't come on. So, he responded, I'll come on the show. I tweeted something like, it's live in studio.

We'll cover your costs, travel in accommodation. One works for you. This is how's the 13th. I say that works perfectly. He says, okay, I was like, well, DM you. Immediately DM him and he says, I'm not coming on your show. And then I was like, okay, then he. Immediately DM him and he says, I'm not coming on your show. And then I was like, okay, then he goes on his show and makes a claim against me.

He said to tweeting about me and trying to back out or something like that, turning it into some grift where he could rally his audience. You know what he did? The majority report took the song we released only ever wanted and ran it through a filter to make it sound bad and then made fun of us for having bad music. Like the dude legit is fake.

And it wasn't him personally, it was his people who put a filter on our song to make it sound bad. But like, that's a really good example of what you get when you watch someone like Sam Seater. Listen, we've had a lot of people on, we had a role in Martin on here four months ago, which was an incredible conversation. Back and forth, nonstop the entire time,

it was uncomfortable from the second to the last second, literally, but it was one of my favorite conversations of the year, and we get, you know, every time you have somebody on people texting, so I can't believe you're having that person, this person's this, I've never had anybody on that. I got that many text messages as Sam Sido, and I don't know why people in negative not good.

Well, so I will say in terms of media industry stuff, I don't want to put anybody on the spot. I'll just say and Sam will probably hear this. There are high profile producers and media people who have told me explicitly he's blacklisted because why though? Because there was this period where I can speak in one circumstance. There was a period where he made a ridiculous amount of videos about Dave Rubin and it got really creepy, I guess. I don't know a lot about it. I don't know how many videos he made, but there was a period where people were just like, this guy's got a weird grift going on where he just tried to do drama.

And the perspective I suppose was, look what happened to me when I said, hey, come on the show, he turns it into drama for his audience. Look what happens when I, we released a song called Only Ever Wanted and then his people ran it through his weird filter so it sounded awful and they mocked us and insulted us. Like, that's the fake, I, that's my experience. I can only imagine that many others had a very, I mean, these all majority report Ruben clips. Yeah.

And it just keeps going and going and going. He's obsessed with them. Let me ask you this, to use the metaphor that Miley and, you know, Nopolis, we're still talking about him is getting names, is he kind of taking a page out of that book, Sam Seater? It's like, we're talking about him. He's getting names. Is he kind of taking a page out of that book, Sam Seater? It's like, we're talking about him. Oh, good for him.

Good for him. I don't know. You know, like, we, we, we, we, the, one of the best shows I think we've ever done was just the other day with Lance from the Surfs TV. I think his views are wrong. I think, I think he's wrong. But it was funny. We had fun.

He, he brought a tall boy, Bud Light and cracked it open on the show. He gave his opinions, which we all, like, countered and then we were laughing together. I thought he was a good with bad views. And some views evil. But I mean Sam Cedar sat down here and he said, you know, I think, you know, we crazed at 168. Keep going. How many videos are there? Hundreds of hearts on Instagram. But you know what I'm, but let me, but, but let me ask you this, though, when you see something like this, what do you think about when a guy's done 167 reaction videos on one person?

He loves, he loves you. I mean, if you, if you pull up, if you pull up me and you pull up David Pacman, you're going to find Biden and Trump thousands of videos probably. And, you know, let's find, if you pull up my channel, you might find a couple dozen about the young Turks, mostly because I'll respond to them saying something about me. But this is like the Dave Rubin review podcast.

Yeah. Well, yeah, it's crazy. That's pretty wow. So this was, this is one thing I was told explicitly that they were like, we don't know what his deal is, but wow, he's got a lot of Dave Rubin videos and that kind of is like the perspective, he gets a lot of of Dave Rubin videos and that kind of is like, the perspective, look, he gets a lot of views from me.

He has a lot of views about me too. I don't know how many videos he has about me, but the perception is he is not a good faith individual, trying to have a political argument. He's trying to, WWE style fan his audience into. Would you say that he's a troll? Well, look at this, like, come on. Look at that, look, scroll up, look at this. Like, come on. Look at that.

Look, scroll up. Look at that picture of me where they use Photoshop on my face. But it would look like you. Who is that? That's you. Tim Poole is a lion coward. Okay.

You know, sure, whatever. God. But I will tell you though, to me, this is, this is not a temple haunted by Thanos. So what the hell? Let me tell you the story too. It's a really good. I got another one from yesterday.

So look at that. Tim Pull claims not conservative shredded by Lance from the service. So I had a conversation with Sam Cedar. This is one of the biggest challenges for me trying to talk with people like Sam Cedar. I say Sam, I think we were talking about healthcare. This is years ago, it was like five years ago. And actually, first I want to say,

Sam Cedar was the first person to meet it to ever shout me out and positively comment on my work. So shout it's him. And so we're having a conversation and I said it sounds like your views are utilitarian as opposed to like de-intological morality. And his response was something the effect of, I don't know what that means.

And then I'm like, okay, like Thanos, for instance, like let me bring this down to an analogy an, an, an, an analogy. Thanos, an Avengers is a utilitarian. I will sacrifice half of the universe to save the other half, maximizing the amount of good, de-intilogical morality. You cannot take an immoral action period. The, the idea that you would commit an immoral action against an individual, individual is wrong. You can't cross that line. In doing so, he turned it into a meme saying, and then got all of his people start tweeting at me nonstop, because they didn't understand this,

and I tried to relate to them. They insulted me for it. I'm like, that's what Sam Cedar does. Instead of having a good faith conversation and saying, I now understand your point, or I'm sorry, I don't understand the reference, he makes videos like that. People don't, people don't like it. You know what I mean? Like his audience might like it. It's WWE style

politics. And so there's higher, higher format shows that are just like we, we, we don't associate with this guy. And I think he knows it. And I think what you were just saying about getting those messages, he knows it. And he, and he complains about it a lot. It's like bro, clean your act up and stop doing this stuff. And maybe you might find some redemption, but you know what? Far be it for me to tell you to stop doing what works. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I'm sure the dude's making a million bucks or something. So let me ask you, we got a super chat here. Someone's asking, how much of a super chat will it take for Tim to remove his beanie? What's that all about? That's because I always wear the beanie. I love it. It's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, how much of a super chat would it take? Oh, it's not gonna happen. the beanie. Oh, okay. It's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, how much of a super chat would it take?

Oh, it's not gonna happen. It's my, it's my, it's my, it's my, it's my, it's my, it's my, it's like, it's my, it's my brand. It's my brand. I know. It's so, do you, do you have a beanie sponsorship? No. We do have someone who's making them for, for us.

Are you selling a beanie? Do you sell that as a merch or no? No, but everyone wants us to. But the long story short of this, I am bald. Like, that's not a secret, I don't know. But people say things like I wear it because of that. I've always worn the beanie since I was a teenager, skateboarding,

and then slowly the hair starts disappearing. You know, that's just what happens. But I actually met a guy in After Occupy Wall Street who worked for Puff Daddy, who said to me, after I got all this press attention and I was featured in Time Magazine, he was like never take that off.

So $100,000 Super Chad is not gonna do it. I mean, I gotta be completely honest, dude. That doesn't move the needle for me. I like that, dude. I like that, too. How many beanie bangies? But what do you have to sell? But let me put it this way.

I love it. I was invited to a, I'll just keep it to it, a high profile black tie affair for the Democratic Party. And I said, wonderful, I will show up in my standard attire. And the response was, it's a black tie affair. And then I said, yes, I'm going to show up wearing a hoodie in jeans. And they said, within your can't come, I was like, then I won't go.

And I'm like, what is it worth it to me to wear a suit to go to your party? It's not worth it. Would you wear the suit to keep the beanie on though? I will never wear a suit. Straight up. Never wear a suit. That's your line in the sand suits.

Nope, they're not happening. No suit's not gonna happen. You don't even own one. I do not own a suit. I will not wear a suit. As formulas I will get is a vulcom shirt with the sleeves rolled up. I have a blue one. This is as formal as I will get is a vulcom shirt with the sleeves rolled up I have a blue one. This is as most as formal as you get this is this is fairly formal. Thank you for dressing

In a few hours. I will be wearing shorts and a shirt with no beanie on a boat and flip flops I love boat. Okay, so let's do the beanie gonna be on the boat. No, no beatings off I'm gonna be on a jet ski in the water. He's off. He's off. Good for you But this basically is my suit. I'm not mad at it. I'm R.F.K. Jr. Let's wrap it up with R.F.K. and what we'll be done.

R.F.K. Jr. vows to pardon Snowden, Assange, and other whistleblowers if affected, if elected. R.F.K. Democratic presidential candidate vowed to pardon Julian Assange Snowden and other whistleblowers if he's elected as president. The America I love doesn't imprison dissidents. Kennedy believes that the U.S. actively persecutes journalists and whistleblowers and he intends to investigate the corruption and crimes.

They expose wiki leagues gained widespread attention in 2010 after publishing a series of leaks provided by U.S. Army, analysts, Chelsea Manning revealing previously unreported incidents involving the US military killing civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq wars, which led to criminal investigations against the organizations and Julian Assange. What are your thoughts on what RFK's saying here? Donald Trump, Jr., called into my show and said,

we have to pardon Assange and Snowden. At this point, they, you know, we know, and that's a simple version of it. That is probably one of the most important things for me in terms of who I'm gonna vote for. If you put all the presidential candidates up on stage and they all say, we will not pardon Assange, and our case says he will, I'm voting for him.

Julian Assange is an active assassination. Julian Assange is a journalist. He was falsely accused of sex crimes, which were its fabricated garbage and nonsense. They've since been dropped. They use it as a pretext to stop him from doing the work that he was doing because he was exposed in corruption.

He was running a journalistic organization that received leaks and then published them same as any other newspaper. They forced him to be into the Ecuadorian Assembly, embassy for a decade, where he's been slowly dying and they tried destroying his name. It is such an egregious action of evil that it's one of the most important issues to me

in terms of what someone can do. Now, a lot of people have said Tim to a fundraiser for him and I'm like, oh, there's only so much I can do in terms of the one issue of Julian Assange, but his pardon is absolute and as far as I'm concerned, Snowden, Snowden, Flip of Coin, for me, he should probably be pardoned, but it's not the same.

Edward Snowden is not a whistleblower, he's a leaker. He grabbed a collection of documents and he released them to the press without knowing what they were. Very, very different from blowing the whistle. Julian Assange is not a whistleblower or a leaker. He's a journalist who received information and then published it.

And so they literally destroyed everything that made him who he was. Evil, insane degree. And it's crazy to him how they always use the sexual assault thing with like with him, with Andrew Tate, with Brett Kavanaugh, it's always like, oh, you did something to a woman that nobody even that's it. There's your finish. Well, they're smart, right?

You go back in time, you take a look at Marlitha King, Jr., you take a look at JFK and whatever you think about them, they've become immortal. Their ideas are their words. They have they they they can never be stopped. I think the deep state understood that whether they were involved or not, after watching that happen saying, hey, you know if you kill somebody, you're going to make them a hero. What do you got to do? You got to character assassinate them, destroy their legacy.

So the first thing you do is you go for the most reprehensible because in the United States, sex crimes are considered particularly heinous. Well, there you go for the most reprehensible because in the United States, sex crimes are considered particularly heinous. Well, there you go. Jolene Assange is falsely accused of rape. The media then lies in locks up with each other. He's then detained for questioning. He says, if I stay here, they're going to extradite me to United States. So he flees to the Ecuadorian embassy, low and behold, under Donald Trump.

It's Donald Trump who did this and he was wrong to do it. They are trying to extradite Julian Assange. And so is the Biden administration. Now I asked Trump Jr. will your dad pardon Julian Assange and he says, or should we, something that effect he said, yes, we have to do it at this point. We know about the corruption. I believe him. When Donald Trump said that the biggest threat we face is not China.

It's the deep state. It's the bureaucratic. It's the deep state. It's the bureaucratic. It's the intelligence agency that lied to the American people. You got this letter that came out, Joe Biden and Anthony Blinken were effectively Mike Morelle that they told the press that the intelligence agency said that the hundred Biden laptop was Russian disinfo, total fabrication. The intelligence agency's former colluded to mislead the American public. These people are evil. They want power.

They will get it at whatever cost. They lied about Trump every step of the way. When Trump, Jr. says, we're going to pardon these guys, this is what I like about a Trump second term. The revenge, I believe it. And I'm not saying he's going to like go and just be recklessly destroying things. I think he's going to go in.

He's going to pull up his time. He's going to be like pardon for that guy. A pardon for that guy. You're fired and you're, and you're fired. I'll say what I can get, but I feel it, I believe it. I could be wrong. I've been wrong many, many times when it comes to politicians. But my worst case scenario is if Trump gets elected,

the world's not gonna end. The worst case scenario is he builds a wall, he puts more fencing up on the border, he brings car factories to Michigan. I'm like, you look at what he did in his first term and i'm like okay is at the worst case scenario i'm it like underbiting working at nuclear war you know you know what i like about what's going on here's what i like it is

the fact that trump or the santa's at this point trump's got a forty point the thirty five point whatever the number is these there's a couple guys that are bringing up topics that's resonating with voters that I think is going to be a great case to pay attention to run on for 2024. Vivek being one of them, I would be watching exactly, I'd have my guys pull up a report on the top 20 messages Vivek is given and what's resonating the most and I would bring

him in. So I think he's making very good case on woke on ESG on DEI. That messaging is resonating. There's an audience for that. I think RFK is talking about certain things that you can watch and see how the audience is reacting for that as well. That can help out for the 2024 election. I think these two guys are very important. By the way, the guy that's supporting Shiva

gave another $500. Wow. What do you call it? This is another person apparently. That's another $500. Give it $500. And he says, you guys don't, he says, does PBD and TP have the balls to host this debate?

Or will it be, will they grift off four years later on? Pause her. So what's that? Dr. Shiva is running for US President. He's in the challenge to Elon Musk across on ourK three of these to address the lies, deception, and contradictions on free speech censorship and vaccines. So I want to say, has that in there for you? If someone's super chats into my show and says, you're going to grift, you're a coward,

why won't you host these debates? I just scroll. If someone super chats me and says, big fan of the show, you have a tremendous opportunity. Dr. Shiva's fantastic, please consider him. I'll say, can you guys look at Shiva and see what we can do there? But I wanna make a point to you,

and I'm glad you said that. Just the thought for you, Chris, for you to be thinking about. You just spent a thousand dollars. We appreciate it, thank you. It had gone to the value team and fun to go make that offer even thicker for Tucker Carlson. Yeah. I think you put that.

Yeah. But this is what I will tell you. I sense a trend with people who support him. Him and I had a conversation together three years ago. We got on a phone call. We talked. Don't pull them off. No, no, don't pull them off.

Rob, don't do that. No, don't do that. To, there's a part of me that I will host anybody. I will host anybody. We had Antony Brown here disrespecting no problem. I'm curious. We'll have Roland Martin here, constant from the beginning to the end was uncomfortable, no problem.

We'll have a lot of different people that are beyond that we'd agree with, disagree with, any of that stuff. We had Slavoj Gieciak, who's a communist. I had professor from UC Riverside, or Riverside Community College, who's a full-blown communist professor there who says the two greatest leaders of our generation

are Mao. And who was the other greatest leaders of our generation are Mao and Who was the other person? He said Mao and Stalin the I said I said if a kid is 22 years old watching this right now And he's aspiring one day His life to become a major player in the world would he be better for society to be the next Jeff Bezos or the next style on Mao He says it's not even close. He is better for society to be the next malware stalling than to. This is what this professor from Riverside community college said. And it's got a million views.

It was one of the best conversations we had. I had, who's the guy that said, we give all our employees $70,000 a year. And then, damn price, that thing is his name. And he came out, you heard all these stories about what's happened with him. But we had him on. I don't have conversation.

It was complete opposite side politically, philosophically. I said, if you're so noble, who owns 100% of your company, says, I do. I said, if you're really noble, why don't you give all your employees one percent equity? Boom. Because that's how. Did you ask him how much profit he takes to the end of the year?

Oh, we value the company on the video. And he said, I said, you're a rich man. You have a smart amount of space. I said, why don't you give equity? He says, you know, that's a good point. I'll consider it. I said, I said, okay man. You have a smirk on his face. I said, why don't you give echo? He says, you know what, that's a good point. I'll consider it. I said, I said, okay, so, but here's the point. As long as you're not arrogant, disrespectful,

you know, thinking you know what all you're above everybody else and you can't have a civil conversation, you're just not my kind of guy, man. So if you can do all the other stuff, by the way, even Sam C. to when he came, you know what's crazy? Anything people said about Sam C. that said, I walked away,

and said, I enjoyed the conversation. And to my face, he's sitting right here saying, I think you're just about there where you're too rich and we should not allow you to get any money above this number. And then Vinny says, so you're saying nobody should be billionaire? Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

I think 99% tax. I think he said he wanted to execute you. Yeah, wait, what? No, he's not kidding. tax. I think he's going to execute you. Yeah. Wait, once. He's not kidding. He's not kidding. He should kill the billionaire's basic. Not you though, Pat, but, you know, kind of, but the, but the point is I think there's a, there's a part of persuasion. I think it's evil. There's a part of persuasion. There's a, there's a, there's a part of persuasion to use charm charisma to get others. Vivek was on one of the last shows that, what's his name?

Don Lemonade. Don Lemonade. It was horribly said in name correct. Don Lemonade. He had him on the show and they're talking. And Don kept trying to insult him. As a black man, I've been a black man. As a black man, I understand this.

Philosophical differences. I've been a pin on this. No, I totally an opinion on this, no I totally can't respect that, he kept saying this and saying this, you know what you made me, made you think about, you're like, you know what, that's what everybody can learn from on how to handle, now that's his approach, Vivek, okay,

you have to respect the fact that he's going everywhere. Anyways, that's the only thing for you to be thinking about aside from that we would house anybody, just be respectful about your approach and we would be more than happy to have the conversation with you. When you're thinking you're above everybody, you're smarter than everybody, it's just not attractive. I'm sure you talked about it with the Dan Price thing,

but I really just want to say it. A lot of my friends were like, oh wow, he's giving all these salaries to everybody and he lowered his salary down too. And I said, do you know how taxes work when you're getting passive income profits versus salary? He's probably saving was it 7.5% on social security or Medicaid tax or something. There's a cap on it, but I go through this with my accountant.

They're like, you have to pay yourself a reasonable salary. That take profit. You can't pay yourself too less, too little. Otherwise, the IRS says you're just trying to avoid paying taxes by taking it as profit instead of salary. But what if you do a big political statement where you're like, I'm humbly going to reduce my salary, now they can't touch you. And you're saving a decent, like a,

you know, near double digit percentage in your taxes by taking all as profits that of, you know, personal income. There's many ways to do it. The way they want to do it is punish. It doesn't work when you punish. It works when you incentivize. Incentives moves people. Punishments don't.

My kids right now, they both have a straight A and Tiko did not have a straight A. Dylan's every, his worst grade right now is 95%. You know why? Because he's got such great incentive system in our household where the progressive tax works back. God. You get incentivized by doing better.

I love you. I don't know. Yeah, fish is, I don't know. I know, you by doing better. I love you. Yeah, fish is I don't know. I know you go ahead. When I was a kid, we would get five bucks for every anorepore card. Yeah. Three for every B, one for every C, and nothing for D's and F's. And so we really wanted to get straight A's. And then we get 50 bucks, we go by Legos.

See? And then you dropped out of 14 years old. I don't know. Maybe they changed the compensation structure. Mom's like, you know what? Now we're given it. Five bucks were F's and if you drop out it's $1,000. I don't know what happened there, but I agree with you.

I was like, the best thing I could have done. Listen, you're talking to a guy that technically was never in high school. At one point in GPA and I'm doing okay. So anyways, hey, Gank, listen, if you enjoyed this as much as we did, looking at the numbers, you obviously the commentary, you guys love this guy, subscribe to the channel and not only subscribe to our channel Rob, let's put his channel, which one do you, if we have

to pick one of them, which one will be the main one you want to drive to? Timcast, IRL. Timcast, IRL, we have at the top, but Rob put it in the chat, put it in description and put it in comments, Gank, subscribe to Tim's YouTube channel. On top of that, Tim's got a book as well. The tales from the inverted world, ghosts of civil world, as well as a new song that just came out, bright eyes that's available on iTunes, Amazon, and Spotify. We have all of that in description for you to go find.

But this was a blast, man. The book is by Shane Cashman. Okay. And he went down looking for the lost Confederate gold. And so we our company released it, but shout it to Shane who's the author and the adventure who went and it's great. It's great. You're talking about it. It's written by Shane. Written by Shane published by Tim. We're going to put that there as well. Tim, good have any arm problems. Absolutely. It was great. Thank, good have any on-brand. Absolutely, it's been a blast. Thank you. Gain, have a great weekend. We'll leave this game next week.

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