PBD Podcast - Tristan Tate EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW - Jail | Brotherhood | Politics | Religion | Fashion

Episode Date: June 17, 2023

Ask Tristan Tate a question or Facetime him on Minnect: https://app.minnect.com/expert/TristanTate Patrick Bet-David sits down with Tristan Tate in Romania while under house arrest. PBD & Tate discuss life in jail, the relationship between Andrew and Tristan, politics, religion, his conversion to Islam, and what's next for him. Text “Tate” to 3103401132 or join the email list for any additional updates on the release of the Andrew Tate uncensored interview: https://valuetainment.ac-page.com/tate-email-capture Check out Tristan Tate here: Follow Tristan Tate On Twitter: https://bit.ly/3Jiu9Ho Visit TateSpeech on Rumble page: https://bit.ly/3Bcu9nl Visit Tate’s official website: https://bit.ly/3Nmmb2e Want to get clear on your next Five business moves? https://valuetainment.com/academy/ Join the channel to get exclusive access to perks: https://bit.ly/3Q9rSQL Download the podcasts on all your favorite platforms https://bit.ly/3sFAW4N Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal bestseller Your Next Five Moves (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. #TatePBD #tristantate #interview --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

Why did you give back? Why did you go to jail? I'm fully aware that I would not have been banned from cancer if I wasn't Andrew's brother. If I had played things my way, we'd end up probably be back in jail. I jumped off the walk, I'm not scared of jail. You want to send me back good? Because if you send me back, you're now going to have to explain to the world why. Can they even do that? Like, what is the crime? Every story, all the girls, it's only towards Andrew. They don't care about the children. They just want to spend some negative story. They wanted to take brothers in jail.

It's us against the world. So when you hear the word Tate, you think about Andrew Tate, but it's really the brothers, Andrew and Tristan Tate. And when I think about Tristan Tate, I told him earlier, I said, you could have gone a completely different route. The guy looks like a Hollywood star, he looks like a movie star, he looks like he could have played James Bond. Maybe they should have been considered him for James Bond. I know they just made the announcement.

He looks like a real James Bond. Maybe they should have been considered in for James, I know they just made the announcements. He looks like A-Real James Bond. Dresses like one has the personality of one, the ladies love him. If you've never seen his pictures, just go on Google, type in Tristan Tate, you'll see what he looks like, the looking guy. But he's got a complete different identity to himself. Very different than Andrew. We had a very good time talking to Andrew, your brother, and the way he built you up today was very unique. I've seen you guys talk to each other about each other, but the way he did it today was very different. Anyways, Tristan, it's good to have you on the podcast. It's good to finally. Yes. Last time we met

in Madrid, but we never did a podcast. No, for about 60 seconds. I was saying I was eating Spanish paella the night before a crap, one of my my teeth. And the next morning Andrew wakes me up saying, okay, let's go to Patrick's podcast and I had this big swollen face. So I hid inside of my hotel, but I did catch you for about 45 seconds by reception because we were staying in the same place. Yeah, I knew.

And you thought I'd been in the fight. I thought, because you guys fight, I'm like this guy probably got into a fight with you know, apparently not in all the stores. He lost to some muscles, but not the good kind of muscles. Not the good kind. So here's my question for you. When we read the stories about why Andrew's gone to prison

or Andrew this or this woman came out or that woman came out, why did you go to jail? Why did you get banned? Why did they take your Instagram down? I mean, I remember the pictures. It was all cars and suits and motivational stuff. So is it guilty by association? It is guilty by association. I hate to say it but I'm fully aware that I would not have

been banned or canceled or probably ended up in jail if I wasn't Andrew's brother. But there are so many benefits that come with being Andrew's brother that you have to take the good with the bad. It didn't upset me too much. No, I smiled about it. Where does this positive attitude come from? You could be the victim of Andrew. You did this. Yeah, you landed me in jail. Look at all our assets or seas yet. Smile on your face as gracious.

Just humble guy. Where did all this come from? You know, it's always been the way me and Andrew are. And we've shared in our successes. The first time he became a millionaire, we celebrated. When I became a millionaire, we celebrated. When we bought our first super car, we drove that home from the dealership together.

So every single positive moment in my life, the first time we ever chartered a private jet, I remember we were just happy drinking, having a great time on the plane. This is before he reverted before anybody jumps on that drinking reference. But if you want to take all the good moments from having a relationship, a brotherly relationship

like me and Andrew have, and then he becomes the world's most Googled man, one of the most influential men I guess in the world. And by default, he's attacked by the matrix in a way that ends up with him being thrown in prison. I feel like I'd be more mad if I didn't go to prison with him. I feel like, you know, I've taken all the good from being associated with Andrew.

And, you know, he builds me up and I build him up. And for him to be sitting in jail without me, it would just feel wrong. the good from being associated with Andrew and you know he builds me up and I build him up and for him to be sitting in jail without me it would just feel wrong. So I'm not even mad about it, I'm the opposite of mad about it. I'm glad they wrote me and I'm glad they said guilty by association, I'm glad they throw me in jail with them and if they frame him for real and send him back, they better send me back too or I'll break myself in. You thank yourself, Rick and I'll break into the jail right? So juice one of the prison guards or something smart. Now I can't keep going some like I'll break myself in. You'll break yourself into the gym. I'll break into the gym. Right. So you're just one of the prison guards or something smart. I can't see them.

I can't see them some like that. I can't see them some like that. But you did give a good book right when they're in the show earlier. I appreciate that which was great. It's an inside joke. But yeah, so going back to this whole story of I got confused right now because you know we're both in a different place. Yeah, I got to go.

I'm thinking number seven. I'm thinking eight and a half. I'm going to hold it from place today. Okay. We're working out as good're both in a different place. Yeah, I got it. I'm thinking number seven. I'm thinking eight and a half. I'm going to hold it from place today. Okay. Working out as good, staying in shape is good. You know, all that stuff is very good thing. Yeah. So really though, when you talk to your lawyers, why did they put you in jail?

I mean, I know it's guilty by a social issue. Can they even do that? Like, what is the crime? Every story, all the girls, it's only towards Andrew. Where are you in both? Yeah, well, when digging through Andrew's entire past trying to find a reason to put him story of the girls it's only towards Andrew. Where are you in? Yeah well when digging through Andrew's entire past trying to find a reason to put him in jail what you have to understand is we have not been accused by X number of women.

The prosecutor has accused us of doing X to X number of women. These women actually defend us actively. One of the statements in the file is a girl who I used to date a little bit. She details nothing illegal. Says nothing illegal went on. She wasn't held against her wills, she wasn't trafficked, she wasn't exploited. But because I used to sleep with her, I guess I'm guilty too. So I mean, I guess one of the girls is my ex. So that's the only real link with me. But yeah, it's guilty by association. They wanted the tape brothers in jail.

So when they came, when they came to arrest, did they come to, was it you and Andrew, it was both of you. Yeah, they had a restaurants for both of us. And when they came to arrest us, what's very funny is my cousin's girlfriend was here at the time with her friend. There were actually women in the house at the time.

The women in the house were not questioned. The women in the house were not asked if they were okay. The women in the house were not asked if they were OK. The women in the house were not asked if they were in danger. If they were safe, they were completely left alone, left to sit on the couch with us while the police watched over us while they went through the house and took everything that was valuable. They were googling the value of the various items.

They were taking it, marking it down on a spreadsheet. And they left, I think, without saying a single word to the women who were in this house, which is very unusual, you would think, in an investigation about human trafficking. But, you know, you could take what implications from there you will. And guess what their motivations were, if you will, but I can't say anything at the moment. That makes sense. So we talked to Andrew earlier about his experience in jail.

How was the experience for you you from your point of view? Well, I mean, Romania spends less money per prisoner than any single country in the European Union. The prisons are constantly getting in trouble from the European Union for being underfunded, too many people per room, not enough square meters, not enough calories per day. So the jail experience, it wasn't good, but it was interesting. And I took jail in a very strange way. I feel like, if you're gonna walk around the world running your mouth all the time about what you are and what you think you are, eventually something's gonna come along in the world

and test you. If you walk around saying I'm the baddest man on the planet, I can be anyone up on earth. One day something in the street is gonna be like, ah, you're the guy who thinks he can be anyone up and punch your lights out. You know, I don't speak as much as Andrew, but I do say I'm a very strong-minded person. I always preach to young men if you're going through hardships, you know, you need to deal with it

like a man, continue your training, stay focused, and it just felt like God gave me an opportunity to prove to myself above all else, as well as to everyone else who listens to me, that I am actually what I say I am. So coming out of jail, I'm almost grateful for the experience as hellish as the environment was. As hellish as the environment was you were grateful for? Yeah, I'm grateful that my life has been very, very easy for the last six or seven years. I retired from professional fighting when I was 28.

The last sad thing that I guess happened to me was my father passing when I was 26 and a half. So I'm 34 now. I'm coming up 35. These things happened a very long time ago. I've increased in wealth, I've increased in fame, I fly around the world doing whatever I like driving, whatever car I like staying wherever I like sleeping, wherever I like going. You know, it's been such an amazing experience that I haven't tested myself for real in a very long time So yeah, grateful for the experience and you had very high praise about you, right? I mean as a complete we did a whole segment about He always thought you were the best brother in the world but after being in jail with you now

He knows he's confirmed and reaffirmed that you're the best brother in the world And he almost kind of compared you to like being the the yin to his yang. Right? And I didn't really fully understand who Trisha was. We've sat with Andrew for hours on end. We had 45 seconds with you. Yeah. After that, piere incident, right? But he says that your special gift is the mat you've mastered the art of not giving a fuck. Yeah. What is that all about? Well, I'd say it master of not giving a fuck. Yeah, what is that all about? Well, I'd say it's not giving a fuck in the way that,

because I know people who don't give a fuck. They're life sucks, they don't work out, they don't care about their own health, happiness, wealth, work. Not in a degenerate, I'm a bum kind of way. I'll give you a better example, because I know exactly what he means. I feel like, because I am his younger brother, every great general who sits at a table with his staff needs that one fearless guy with him. You know, he needs people who preach prudence and be careful and we have those people. Believe me, they're very, very loud in our ears every single day since getting out of jail.

But, you know, if you're a great Samuel I general and you're sitting around the table, you also need that one guy who says, okay, there's 10,000 of them, there's five of us, okay, let's just go. It's more fearlessness than not giving a fuck. If I had played things my way since getting out of jail, me and Andrew would probably be back in jail right now. I'm censoring myself on this podcast,

but the first day I got out, I thought, you know what, screw it, let me just put a camera on this, tell the whole world what's going on, let them take me away live on stream. That's me. So luckily he keeps me in check, but also I feel like I can inspire him

to make a few bolder and braver decisions in life because of my counsel. So I'm very much one of his counsel men, but he doesn't need me at the table. Without that guy, you're just gonna be a pussy, you know? Have you always played the number two role, like, you know, in Monarchal Times, it was always the eldest son

that the pet was passed down to the crown. From your father down to Andrew to you, has it always been an understanding, all right, I'm number two. My brother's the leader. Let me get in line. Let's crush him. You know what?

I don't feel, it's necessarily like that. I feel it's more that I know what his strengths are. And I'm there to compensate for his weaknesses. He knows what my strengths are, and I'm there to compensate for his weaknesses. So who's the leader and who's not? All depends on the situation that we're in. Certainly with, I mean,

Mean Andrew have been a team a very long time and we made a lot of money before we ever blew up on the internet. Our relationship was a lot more equal then, but Andrew is the famous one. I'm fully aware that he's the guy who will go in front of the camera and save the types of things or voices opinions in a way that garner, infamy, and fame.

And I've blown up alongside it. So part of the price is going to jail. You know how they say that your ego is not your amigo. There must be some part of you. I mean you're a six foot four bad ass good looking, a Hollywood looking guy, girls, vulgaries, yet you're willing to take a back seat to Andrew's fame. So you must have a big ego to be the place that you're in, but you also have to have tickets back

and say, are you an Andrew, you're the guy? How do you grapple with that? Well, yeah, with what we're doing now, Andrew's certainly the face of it, but he wanted to build this. This was never my intention. I thought, okay, you're gonna make some money on the internet, that's cool, Andrew's certainly the face of it, but he wanted to build this. This was never my intention. I thought, okay, you're gonna make some money on the internet, that's cool Andrew, you do that.

I'll continue doing what, in fact, I'm gonna interject with another story. There was a time when me and Andrew could barely pay the rent, he was training, he was fighting full time, he was a kickboxing, one time world champion, I think of the time, and I was selling windows. I'm a great salesman, so I was bringing home a thousand plus British pounds per week.

He didn't tell you this story, did he? No, I'm sure he said there was a window. He said you saw a window when you bring it. Yeah, he didn't say he was balling out making a thousand or less. No, I mean that's not balling out. I think these three glasses of whiskey cost about a thousand. But I was making about a thousand a thousand British pounds a week. Andrew had a previous sales experience. I was at the time working sales and Andrew was just living off his fight money. So I become home every day. I say I made this much sales etc. I was at the time working sales, and Andrew was just living off his fight money. So I become home every day. I say, oh, I made this much sales, et cetera. I'll pay the rent, you keep fighting,

because I was helping to support his kitboxing career. One day Andrew looks at me, and he says, you know what Tristan, I'm just gonna start selling for the same company you're selling for. We could bring two, $3,000 into the house a week, we'll have a good life, we'll make money, and that's an Andrew, no, you can't do that. You can't do that, because if you are spending all your time chasing sales leads and knocking

on people's doors like I am, then you're never going to find the time to discover something better, to discover something that's going to take us out of this crappy apartment. It's going to take us out of this crappy life. So, even back then, when I was willing to work away selling windows, instead of kickbox, because I got paid almost nothing. I was the European champion at the mine height. Most of the other papers are thousand bucks a fight. I knew that wasn't the financial viable option for me. I was willing to sell windows to let Andrew continue to have time to train but also have time

to think. So now everyone's like, oh well he's the face of this online persona and you guys make a lot of money for it. I'm like, I'm fine behind the scenes. I'm perfectly, perfectly happy. I'm not missing anything from my life with my 2 million to our followers. I need 6.8 million to fulfill.

You know, people will often try to, I guess, pit me against Andrew, which is the stupidest idea in the world. But they'll say stupid things to me like, your brother's more famous than you. And I'll say, yeah, my brother's more famous than you. Like what's the big deal? If your brother was, or Mike Tyson, for example, and someone said your brother's a better boxer than you,

you'd be like, yeah, my brother's Mike Tyson. What, you know, it's this strange type of jealousy and envy that I think a lot of men can cope with that, makes them drag each other down, like crabs in a bucket. If my brother became, I don't know, a billionaire, the world's richest man, and I had to stay at this level, I'd be like, yeah, my brother's the world's richest man,

I'd be proud of him, and I don't see anything wrong with that. It's not a competition, we're a team. I think that's a big thing. So I got an 11 year old son and a nine year old son. Okay. Beautiful. And the perspective to have, That's a big thing. So, I got an 11 year old son and a nine year old son. And the perspective to have, there's got to be also a massive level of maturity of the

younger one towards the older one. I'm the younger sibling in my family, my sister's six years older. Well, we got a very good relationship in our family. But the wisdom of the younger is different than the wisdom of the older, right? You're more watching, you're more like, okay, yeah, that's probably not a good idea. So that's making up side there. I shouldn't do that. Okay, wow, that's pretty good.

That leads to good praise or that, that's good. Yeah, I don't like that. I have no interest in that. Okay, I would have probably done a disful, but I get it. So you have a different optic, right, to see different things. At what point was it when you're coming up and you guys are, you were talking outside, and like, hey, we're so competitive that, hey,

six years ago, the whole prank concept, we no longer do pranks all this, we're a big prank family ourselves. When was it, and even maybe from your pops, that dad drive you guys to compete against each other, or that dad drive you guys to compete against the world? What was his selling point to the two drive you guys to compete against each other or the dad drive you guys to compete against the world. What was his selling point to the two of you? I don't think it's something that we learned from my father.

My father didn't have a brother or another guy in his life who were close like me and Andrew. I think it's something that happened organically. And it's not so much competition against each other in terms of what I can do and he can. It's more like how much am I going to contribute to the team that you don't. So a perfect example of this house is set up literally perfect for it. I'll come down in the morning, 7 a.m. Andrews at his laptop. We'll go do, there's an exercise we hate doing, you put 30 kilograms

on a burpee bar, do the on a white bar, you do a burpee, lift it above your head and you do 150 times. It's tiring, it's horrible. So I'll do them and I'll say, you know, I'm your pussy, why haven't you done it yet? Then he'll do it. And then I'll go do them again, just because I know if I do him, he has to do it. That's not, people could see it as two men competing against each other, or you could see it as two men within the same house getting stronger and pushing each other to become stronger. You know, when we're racing around race tracks, we're both, I mean, I guess, professionally trained drivers. We have lots of track experience, lots of road experience. The fact that he will drive faster than me will inspire me to do better in myself.

Then, me and my brother as a team are better drivers. It's not too monkepeying against each other. You know, it's us against the world, but that's something that happened very organically. And he's not too much competing against each other. It's us against the world, but that's something that happened very organically. And he's always been the better kickboxer. I'm bigger by, I mean, maybe, probably, fatter love, certainly go muscle as well. But people see me smash the pads and amateurs, like a girl I knew once said, oh, wow, you hit the pad so hard. Can you be Andrew in a fight? I'm like, no, no, when I try to punch Andrew, I punch nothing.

I hit air and he ends up counting punches. So he's always been the better kickboxer. But I can take that and be like, you know what, good. He's the four time world champion, good. That's my brother and just be proud. It's us against the world. Sure, that wasn't, that wasn't pop. So it was more you guys.

It wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't my, my, anything, my father naturally instilled. I mean, he certainly wouldn't let us fight and argue with each other. He had some unconventional punishments. We were ever arguing. He'd lock us in a cupboard together to sit there and stare at each other. He told us that story. He told you that story.

Just sitting there and go, staring at each other. That way you know it's true. When you're sitting staring at your brother, because you guys were acting up and fighting or whatever, you might want to implement this for Dylan and Tico if you can always see this. It works. You're staring at each other. Yeah.

What did you learn about your brother at that point? What do you think he learned about you? You're just sitting staring for hours on end as a punishment. I think you just realized that the conflict has no benefit. You can end up standing in that cupboard. That's the payoff for your conflict. There's no victory competing against your brother. And we grew up in Luton as a huge Asian diaspora,

as not to be in the little Pakistan, as not to seek the little Muslims. And these people work as a team. It's one of the reasons they outcompete British people, native British people, almost every single metric. And we knew a guy named Bali, or the hope Andrew hasn't told you this. So he had a, he was a lawyer, probably 50,000 pounds a year.

And he drove a $400,000 for our, I thought 400,000 pounds for our, and if 500,000 pounds were worse sometimes. And we were saying like, do you think Bali's a drug dealer? What do you think he's up to? Me and Andrew at the time, you know, had quite a close brotherhood.

And he looked at us one day, I said, Bali, how do you have all this money? How do you get these fancy cars when you're just a lawyer? And you're relatively young, he was like 26, 27, about five or six years older than I was at the time. And Bali's exact answer was, I remember, he said, you white people are stupid. Now I'm mixed race.

He wasn't talking anything racial. He was talking about, I guess, native British people. He says, you will have five sons. Your father may have five sons, which for someone in my culture, he was a Sikh, an Indian Sikh from Punjabi. So that's a jackpot. And this English man have five sons, which for someone in my culture he was a Sikh, an Indian Sikh from Punjabi. So that's a jackpot. And this Englishman's five sons will all move out of the family home. They'll pay five rents, probably to people like me.

They'll take five different student debts out, go out and five different career paths. They'll get five different mortgages, marry five different women, and never see each other again. You see, my father had five sons. Now I'm a lawyer, my brother's a dentist, my father's an engineer, my other brother owns a construction company, and every single skill set that they needed

to flourish was within the household. So we all live in a family home. We pull our resources. Our women work together and prepare food for us. We work, and every time that we have a new children or the family is expanded, we just expand the house. My brother owns a construction company, and that way, as a group, we have three Toyota's, one Ferrari,

and one Rolls-Royce, and we can all use them anytime we like. And that was what introduced me and Andrew, because we were flat broke at the time. We had nothing to share. To the idea of certainly, you know what, if we can buy a supercar together one nice car then we can just share that car and now thanks to his car to me I've got

a 40 plus minus the 10 or 11 that's temporarily seized by the remaining government but yeah it introduced us I guess to the concept of pulling your resources and sharing and you know what he's a hundred percent right that is a lesson you can learn from the Indians from the Pakistanis because It's benefit. It's massive and you guys live together here. It's amazing compound and Andrew said he's forceased himself Living with you the rest of his days. Yeah, how much of a factor was those stories from the Punjab guys today? You know what that was massive and I don't speak to Bali anymore. So if you're out there Bali And you're listening, you was massive. And I don't speak to Bali anymore. So if you're out there, Bali, and you're listening, thank you for that.

But people will even ask that nowadays. The way that when you're a high net worth individual, the way things are owned is very tricky. You don't want, you know, no high net worth individual has everything in his name. Let's just put it that way. It's complicated the way things are owned. So sometimes people will ask me, there'll be five cars on the drive, and girls, especially who are naive to these things, they'll be like, which ones are yours and which ones are Andrews? My honest answer is I don't actually know.

I mean, I have to look at the papers to work out exactly what but it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. The keys are in this box in that room and we can drive them whenever we like and we never argue. It's just so many. And when you build that abundance and you build yourself to the level of wealth me and Andrew at, what are we going to argue about? There were times when we were kickboxing, we didn't have money for food.

We used to eat cans of sardines. And there have been times splitting our last can over plain rice. So now people are like, no, it's weird that you share a house with your brother. I'm like, it's weird that you don't. You know, I used to share my last can of food with him. And now we can't live in the same house. I've got nine bedrooms. It's not like we're cramped for space.

And otherwise, we just live in two separate houses, with four and a half bedrooms each, and what drive to each other's houses every day, it wouldn't make sense. There's got to be a hundred percent trust for this to work. Oh, a hundred percent. Which is what you guys have. But I mean, Andrew have a one hundred percent.

Very obvious. Yeah, very obvious. So he gave you some love. What would you say about him? From your perspective, you know, what strengths, who is Andrew to you and maybe what are some strengths and things he does that the rest of the world doesn't see that you know. Andrew is the hardest working man I've ever met. Even with the lifestyle he lives now and it's fun as it looks and it is fun and all the fun we do is real even if we are in a luxury hotel in the south of France

where you're paying $10,000 per room and you'll be up at seven o'clock in that hotel gym he'll message me at 8.30 I'll wake up next to God knows who whiskey spilled all over the desk but again that inspires me and to be like emergency meeting in my room emergency meeting you will, that inspires me. And to be like, emergency meeting in my room, emergency meeting, you always say that. So I go to his room, and he'll bring up tiny issues with the business. You know, I could have slept on quite happily, but again, it's like me doing the exercise when he won.

It pushes me to be a better person. The Andrew will happily work 15, 16 hours a day, and then go out and spend four, five hours having fun, and blowing loads of money. It doesn't come from the sky. It's not magic. We want trust fund kids. We didn't win the lottery. He is the hardest working man I have ever met, and the fact that I can even live with him and try to keep up is a testament to me because it's difficult. Because it's constant. And people don't see the work. People don't see the work.

I mean, me and Andrew, we're in good shape. I don't post training videos and fitness, progress, videos. I just do the work and let the results speak for itself. When terms of money and in terms of business and success, that's Andrew. Everyone's like, oh, well, how does he have all this money? Maybe he's a criminal. So how does he have all this money? I know why he has all this money.

Because he's sitting right there at that desk at least 10 hours a day even when we're not on house arrest. It'll be out in the evenings having his fun and that's what we'll show to the world. This whole hey look at me I'm at my laptop and I'm going to grind away for six hours. No one wants to see that on Instagram. No one wants to see that on social media. It's boring. They want to see you driving the Bugatti with a cigar in your mouth and a beautiful girl next to you. But that doesn't come without seeing at that desk for a good while first. One's the last time you told Andrew, no. Meaning, hey, I have an idea.

Here's what I want to do. I'm the hardest working man in the world. Here's what I'm doing. I have an agenda and you go, no, bad idea. Let's do this instead. Do you ever tell him, no, how does this work in this relationship? I guess the answer to your question would be tell Andrew know why? You know we're two men with the exact same vision aiming for the exact same goal It's that old saying with great power comes great responsibility

So telling Andrew know you have to understand I'm the only person in the world who can tell him no ever since dad died It's me and that's it. So I'm not going to use that power over something trivial over something that is a recommendation If I don't think he should do something. I just know when he really really should do something and then I'll say no I can't I literally can't think of an example. I can't No, I can't think of an example. I've told Andrew no in the last couple years. That's the dynamic of the relationship, I'm between the two of you guys. Indeed, but he's also the only person who can tell me that. And he doesn't really tell me no for anything. You know, I'm still 34-year-old man, a little brother or no.

He's 36. I can make my own decisions. And none of us have the tendency to ever do anything that's really stupid. So... At the peak who was funner to party with? Oh, I've always been the funner to party with. I'm still the funner to party with today. No, no, no, don't worry about the peak. I haven't reached my peak yet. Like, I'm still working on it.

I'm still working on it. Yeah. I'm the one and I'm the kind of guy, I definitely take the party a bit too far. I'll give you an example, go out to the club, there's five guys, 15 girls. We're all having fun, we're all partying, etc. We'll come home and you'll be like, okay, well this is the girl,

I'm weird, I'm gonna go to bed. It's 3am. I know I could go to bed with one of these women at any one time. Back in my party case, I've calmed down a bit on the woman icing, I really have. And he'll be in bed at three. I'll still stay up till six, drinking with the guys. Because I think let me squeeze the maximum amount of fun

out of this night as possible. So obviously, it gets ruined when it gets to six o'clock and the girl I like is now asleep or home. It's like, oh, well, I definitely messed that one up, but I'll certainly try to have as much fun as possible. And it comes back to biking sometimes, but- I'm the last time you partied. You've been in jail, you haven't had one day of freedom.

There's no, no, right? You guys are known as these kickboxing bad ass, womanizing party guys, but Andrew's been very subdued. He's converted to Islam. He's not drinking. No, he doesn't drink anymore. It was completely quick. It was a lot of time that you had a fun night

out of the town. A fun night out in the town I don't know. But I had a fun night right here in my house when my camera guy showed up. I'm going to say his name, he's a baby, I'm going to say, I don't care, he wants to just say, he can't censor out, don't give him editorial control. So he got here, I thought, you know what,

baby he's here. That's something new. I thought, you know what? Bailey's here. That's something new. You know, I've been locked in jail now on my house arrest. Let's open a bottle of champagne. Don't worry, Bailey. Just one. Four bottles of champagne later. Bailey's like... wishing for death. I'm like, you know, okay. Fine, I'll let him go to see. But we stayed up all night talking politics history. Very, very interesting things, along with my coach, my physiotherapist Alex, who hates drinking, by the way, but he'll partake sometimes.

And you know, it was just three guys together talking about, I feel like it's the way things should be, and the way things certainly were before mobile phones. Nowadays, everyone's too connected digitally. They speak to each other online too much. Everyone wants to see each other, checks on their friends that way. I like sitting around with my friends, and just drinking and talking, and having a good time, and learning new things from them, and telling them new things that they don't know. I find that to be incredibly fulfilling.

So you were saying interest, you said cutters, you collect cutters and all this stuff. I collect cigar lighters and cigar accessories. I'm a nerd about my cigars. I'm a real nerd about it. I tried my first cigar when I was 28. And now I smoke a lot of cigars. People will accuse me of saying, oh well, you try to to teach values but you encourage smoking, I don't encourage smoking, these are bad for you. But if you do them, train really hard in the gym, get as fit and

strong as possible, at least try to compensate the damage. But yeah I'm the nerd about my cigars, I smoked my first one when I was 28, I had a car crash which stopped me from professionally fighting. I had some surgery just a year and a half ago to fix all that damage finally. But I thought I can't fight anymore. I've always thought cigars looked cool. I'd never smoked a cigarette or any kind of tobacco product up until that point. And I walked into the cigar lounge after,

oh, yeah, this big Cuban cigar, let me buy one of these. I had some money even back then when I was 28. And I got this cigar, got about halfway through and my head was spinning. I don't know how I drove home. I felt horrible. But yeah, now I smoke two, three cigars a day, sometimes some days I'll go without smoking,

but the accessories are what make it cool. You know, even here on the table, these have been here since your podcast with Andrew, but it's the lighters I like, the cutters I like, I'm a real nerd about it. Before going out, I'll pack my cigar cases, except you're ready for the club. Yeah.

What's your preference? What do you go to what you go to cigar cigar my favorite cigar is actually so you have to liken them to champagne Because most people won't know what we're talking about if we do cigars I'm gonna make it more interesting people who don't know champagne will say yeah, give me some don't pairing on every single time I don't even like champagne. I don't like any champagne But there are old Frenchmen who know that there's a Verve-Kyko bottle that's better than the Dom Perignon if it's the right year, etc. So with cigars, everyone goes coheba. When you can buy Cubans, when you're outside of the United States, coheba is the Dom Perignon of cigars. It's got the yellow label, everyone likes cohebas, but this is not my favorite brand of cigar, but my favorite

is H. Upline. Now they have a European name even though they're Cuban because a German businessman started that company in 1848. Cohiba was founded in 1966. It has much more history behind the brand. A much better quality cigar in terms of build and flavor. And they're about half the price. But me smoking H. Uppmans is not a budgetary decision. I mean I'll buy cigars from the 1950s. I smoke $6,000, $7,000 cigars just because I enjoy them. But hate jumpens are by far the best brand. Hands down. Can I give a quick shout out? Yeah, sure.

I only smoke cigars with two people. Their last name is either Tate or Sopala. OK. We shout out to Matt Sopala about making a lot of it. He's got a lot of it. You're going to love this. The finest of gentlemen, the tates and the Sipoll. That's a quick shout out.

I very, rarely smoke cigars, but if I do, it's with the tates. Well, actually, Matt Sipoll did a menec call with Andrew last time I think using menec and had a good conversation together. So go back to you. Spirit The take comes out, Andrew comes out, recently announcing he's a Muslim. But in the podcast with us, he said, you're still a Christian. What is that conversation like between the two of you? Well, you have to understand if you are a fan of Andrew who watches him on the Internet, always convert to Islam. That's sudden, it wasn't sudden.

It was a journey that I saw him go on, which certainly lasted at least 10, 11 months, up into the day he converted, reverted, according to Muslims, so I'll use the proper terminology, up until the day he reverted. I became a Christian about six years ago. I spent a lot of my life as an atheist and I'm so ashamed to say that.

I don't like the word. I think it's a bad word nowadays. Because I was young and naive and stupid enough, I think that people could be perfectly moral and live in a perfect harmonious society without the need for religion. And about six or seven years ago, I looked the world, literally, at what people were doing. The massive fetishization, I'll call it, of abortion, you know, the degeneracy in society, and everyone's an atheist. I thought, are these my people? I was living in Romania, amongst Orthodox Christian country, in the world. My daughter's maternal grandfather is actually an orthodox Christian priest and I picked up the Bible again and I read it from cover to cover from the back and that was six years ago when I became a Christian. Now ever since Andrew's Reversion, I have not spoken about

my religious beliefs because there are teams on Twitter. So you guys get the exclusive. There are literally warring tribes on Twitter of Christian trolls, let's call them, and Muslim trolls, all fighting for my soul. Tristan, what do you believe in Tristan? And I haven't mentioned my religion ever since Andrews the version of Islam. There are people who think I'm a Muslim. There are people who know I'm a Christian. But for me, the values that are shared between the two faiths are both contrary to everything what Andrew would call the matrix is trying to shut down young people's

Throats and trying to program people to believe. I think the days of Christians and Muslims murdering each other in Crusades and trying to take the Holy City of Jerusalem, etc. are over. I think that there are ideological differences and there are ignorant Christians who will be like, oh yeah, but Islam is a fake religion. But then there are ignorant Muslims who say, oh, Christianity is a fake religion. Good, you're supposed to think that. There are different religions and they do teach different things.

They have different messages and they have slightly different messages. But as a whole, I'm perfectly happy living at a house when my brother is a Muslim, because one, I respect his decision. Two, I understand why he reverted. Three, I understand that we have a common enemy in common, and we have the exact same goals.

I feel like the religions now should be closer than ever before. It's fine to say you believe things about God that I don't and I believe things about God that you don't but can we at least agree that this is wrong and I feel like common ground would unite Christians and Muslims hand in hand if people were less standoffish. So I have no problem with my brother being a Muslim. He's quit drinking. I have lost my drinking partner. And the only reason I'm actually talking to you about religion and answering these questions, because I kept it very close to my heart

and I haven't spoken to anybody about it, is because I am publicly drinking whiskey. Well, if you need a drinking partner, just and I can help you out here. Absolutely, and you're Jewish? Yes, I agree with you. So that's how. Muslims refer to Christians and Jews as people of the book.

And you have to understand that Muslims hold Christians in very high regard. So I've read, even since getting out of jail, I've read four books on Islam, since getting out of jail. And I was actually quizzed by a Muslim scholar who lives in the United States of America, and he said, Tristan, you're ever gonna revert to Islam.

And I said to him, I said, reversion or conversion to any religion. I don't believe it's something that you do. I believe it's something that happens to you. If you look into a subject and you read about, you read the Bible and you read about Christianity and you read about the life of Jesus Christ, you don't think you know what, yes, Chris, I'm a Christian. I feel like it's something that would have to happen to me, not something I choose to do. And I've even had

people say, oh, you know, your life would be better if you revert to Islam because there'll be, there would be benefits of you living in the Middle East, etc. And I said, no, no, how disingenuous would that be to my Muslim friends and colleagues of which I have many to revert for any beneficial reason other than me genuinely feeling it within myself? So that's the reason I haven't. Not because I haven't chosen to, but because it hasn't happened to me. Right. So that means it could happen. Yeah, absolutely. Right. Absolutely. You said, so interesting. You just said something earlier, real, real brief. You tweeted out, you said positive pregnancy test. Question mark. Yes.

Unsure what to do. This is the sign you were looking for. Keep the baby. Raise the baby. By the time they are two, you will thank God you read this and shudder that you ever consider an abortion. I understand you have a choice but make the right one. Yes, I did tweet that because I understand that there is now a chance with 1.8 million people following me on Twitter and 5,607,000 people watching each of my tweets that I may have just saved the life. I wasn't trying to make any point about the legality of abortion because everyone's arguing underneath the tweet, oh it should be legal, it should be illegal, I will actually upset both teams because I'm not pro-life or pro-choice.

I believe that abortion should be legal under many circumstances and there are many reasons why there are people, there are people in the world who for many reasons would need an abortion. What I do is I don't try to force my views on anyone else. So my view on abortion is very simple. I'm against abortion for me. I have lots of money, I'm a smart guy, I'm a great dad. If I get some girl pregnant, even if it's bi-acidated, it was my choice to sleep with her,

and I'm gonna make sure she brings that baby to the world and take care of it for the rest of its life. So I'm against it for me. I don't try to force my views on other people, because otherwise we're gonna start this whole debate, it's gonna happen in the comment section of this video, but whatever woman gets raped, I'm against abortion being used as a form of contraception.

So I'm on neither team, so both teams can get bad at me, and I'm against abortion being used as a form of contraception. So I'm on neither team. So both teams can get bad at me and I don't really care. But yeah, I just thought with so many followers, maybe, maybe I'm gonna get a letter in the mail in 17 years time from somebody whose mother's gonna tell them the story of the time she red-tristan tates tweet and I think that would be awesome. So that was my motivation. I wasn't trying to start a political argument. Because I really don't care enough about these issues to debate people on them. Because I know how I want to live my life. And if you're a crack addict on the streets of New York

and you end up pregnant through sex work, I do believe there is a case where you, personally, don't need to be bringing a baby into the world. So I'm not going to tell you it's illegal. So I'm in the middle. So everyone can be mad at me. Everyone can hate me. Do you like the bit?

I love the bits. Do you like it as much as he likes the bits? I love the bits. OK, so you love the bits. I love the bits. So politically, when you think about like, are you following politics closely, do you watch the election? Do you follow the election closely?

I do. I do, yes. What do you? Do you follow in the election closely? I do, I do, yes. What do you think about the elections in the US right now? And the conditions in US politically? Jesus, I feel like both teams have psychos that they need to pander to, to the point where the whole process has become absolutely ridiculous.

I feel like the right have fewer psychos or a less extreme that they have to pander to than the left. But you take people who say very normal things and again, this is gonna get me in trouble, like men can't get pregnant. And people who have been alive since the 1950s, since the 1960s, people who know that's not true, now have to pretend that they think it is true. And I'm like, I'm

not going to go into what you think about foreign policy. I'm not going to go into what you think about the issues America is facing, because you just said men can get pregnant. So you're an idiot. And I feel like the pandering to all these special groups, whether it be the military industrial complex, I'm not going down that road. Or, you know, the insane, I won't say the LGBTQ in say people, I'll say the QT plus people, because I think LGBT plus should be completely separate things. Yeah, it's very hard to take any American politician seriously. I do know who I want to be the next president of the United States. You probably know who I want to be the next president of the United States. You probably know who I want to be the next president of the United States.

I know you got to be talking about it. Yeah. Do you have a sitters? I was going to say, the audience doesn't know this. When you walk in here, there's a, is it six feet or eight feet painting of President Joe Biden? I was so impressed. The fact that you guys have that kind of pride for you, West Indy. But it was him falling down. Well, you know, I'm not very good at dark, so I need a big board. Would you say you were born in America?

I was born in the United States. Raised in the UK. I'm English. You would consider yourself English. I would consider myself English, British. I'm proud to be English. I love English history. As a mixed race person, I like to be able to stand up and say,

I'm very proud of British history, and we should all be proud of our heritage. Without people being able to point the finger at me and call me a racist, because when white English people say that, suddenly they're racist for some reason. Yeah, super proud to be British. I think that the influence that the British have had on the world is incalculably larger

than almost any other culture. Please correct me if I'm wrong. A lot of the great inventions in the world were British. The way that you go to every single country in the world and they're all speaking the language of one tiny island in northern Europe, why? You know, it's, I'm a proud Englishman. And I don't care about the United States so much because I left when I was eight years old.

If you want a guaranteed way to get in touch with me, maybe you have a business idea, maybe you want some fashion tips, maybe you just want to connect. You could find me on the net. How interested can I be as much as I'm interested in the nerdy way that I'll follow it and know what each team has to think

if I've never worked a job in America. I've never had a girlfriend in America. I'm not educated by the American school system. I don't have a business in the United States. I've never had an American girlfriend. Oh no, I've had loads, but. I've never had a girlfriend in America. I'm not educated by the American school system. I don't have a business in the United States. Never had an American girlfriend. I don't know, I've had loads. But I've never had to manage a relationship while living in the United States.

So how much, what do I really have invested in who wins the election? As much as I'm interested in it, I consider myself British and I care much more about England, which is a lot more fucked up in the United States in lots of ways, it's failing in every single metric, which makes me sad. Would you say you follow British politics even more than American politics? No, I fear American politics because it's more interesting.

The British politicians are all rubbish. And because of the electoral system where the Prime Minister comes from, the party who has the most seats, and each seat is an individual election with the first pass of the electoral system where the Prime Minister comes from the party who has the most seats and each seat is an individual election with the first pass the post system There's no winners nobody nobody can come along as a hero Let's say hypothetically because I don't want I don't want to say who I support from president But let's say hypothetically some billionaire businessman with charisma came along I said I want to become the leader of England. He's got no chance

He'd have to start his own political party He'd lose in every single individual election, in every single constituency in the United Kingdom. And you'd never hear from him again. I think it was in 19, I don't want to say the exact date because someone's going to correct me on it, but it was in the 1970s, the Green Party of England, 120 something percent of the vote, and got zero seats in the House of Parliament. That's the way the system works there. So no hero is coming along to save the UK Which is sad because I feel like both political parties that could possibly win and both their leaders are equally horrible What you're saying is only in America. Yeah exactly. Yeah exactly

In England you got two dead horses and the race is about the star. Why watch? I'm not interested You know and nobody else is either actually have a quite another question for you So we all have our nicknames right yeah PBD right soft your brother is co-grate You are the talisman yeah, okay. I actually had to google What the talisman wants right so it is a an object That has magic power and brings good luck. Yeah. Right. And keeps evil away and protects the person wearing it from illness, accident, disgrace, and misfortune.

Absolutely. Right. So how did you get the name the talisman? And are you Andrews talisman? I absolutely am. But it wasn't Andrew who gave you the nickname. I was 17 years old, and I was working at Sandwich Shop, and I used to hang around with this African guy from the Ivory Coaster public. Luke, if you're watching, God bless you. I don't know where you are today. And we'd go out to various bars, and we would, anytime he'd see attractive women, because I mean, I'm 17. What do you know?

Of course, I'm out there trying to be women. And every time there was a group of attractive women, I go over an approach and I was, I mean, how smooth can a 17-year-old be? But girls tended to like me and he called me his talisman. I don't know if it was his lack of English that made him use the word talisman instead of good luck charm.

But he was called me his talisman, and it was the talisman. And that stuck, and then I need the fight name, and it was just in the talisman tape. And I feel like if you are my friend, if I truly care about you, whether you are pursuing a new goal in business, whether you are attacked on the street, having me by your side, is a good person to have by your side.

And I've proven that hundreds of times to every single person who I hold dear So I like that name because it suits who I am You know, I say that in every single photo if you see me and Andrew together I'm always walking behind you and believe me. I'll hit someone faster than the bodyguards with us will I'm that guy So I like the nickname and I think it suits me very well. So you're Andrew's talisman. Yeah Well then how would you be worse off? Anything you want to do in life, how would you be worse off if I was fully invested

in the idea that you had, and I was on your side, 100%. How would you operate on? How would I make you worse off? So I feel like I'm a very well-rounded person, and it's not just for Andrews, it's for anybody I choose to associate with, or anybody I choose to do business with.

So we'll protect, or you know, certainly five years ago when I was a bit more wild, if you wanted to go out womanizing, pretty good at that too. So I bring you some luck in that department. Sign right here, so I can sit. Nah, nah, retire from that. Who's your talisman?

In what business? It varies, because life. The hardest thing to find in life is a flag carry. So the hardest thing to find is a flag carry. Yeah. Flag carry, you find a flag carrier that's fully with you and then the time span of how long that person's gonna be with you.

You look at Elon Musk right now, who's his talisman? One phone call away from David Sacks. David Sacks, things get down, the guys are doing it. Yeah, good point. It's a very, what do you think about Musk, but what do you think with Twitter? Love him. I absolutely love Elon Musk and I shut down any criticism I see of him online,

because I don't think people are, I don't think almost anybody, is in a position to criticize Elon Musk. I'll give you an example. Elon Musk was dating to that singer, Grimes, whatever her name is. And some doork who fancies himself a dating coach on Twitter.

I'm not even gonna say his name, because that would do him a massive favor. He was like, oh yeah, Elon Musk, we need to book one of my calls for $29.5 an hour so I can even date and advise. I'm like, who are you? Elon Musk is arguably one of the world's most powerful men. He has the power to send things into space and bring them back. The first independent human to ever have that power outside of being a government. He's insanely intelligent.

He takes on tasks, I mean Tesla automobiles, absolutely rubbish idea if you were to pitch it to anyone many years ago, and he turns them into successes. Elon Musk is a different breed. It's like a bunch of chihuahua's, you know, saying laughing at a lion's, laughing at a tiger stripes, saying as coat was wrong. Like who were you to criticize him in any way?

He doesn't need your day in advice. The man's got 10 kids, nine rest in peace, and that must have been hard for him, God bless. But like how are you, some dork on the internet, going to criticize him in any way? Who is going to give a fuck about you? 50 years from now, 100 years from now, 300 years from now. If Elon Musk keeps going, the trajectory that he is going, he will be one of the most remembered people of our entire generation. Yeah Barack Obama was the first black president of a country that used to be called the United States.

You know, now, uh, West China. I'm joking, I'm joking. But in 500 years, from a thousand years time, the guy who revolutionized space travel and took us from a single planet Wow, yeah, from yeah from a single planet species to a multi planetary species That's his name's gonna be in the history books no question long after everyone else's So I don't even like anyone criticizing him in any way. So if you have anything bad to say about Elon Musk Save it. We're seven things you don't like No, I mean we're on the team Elon Musk hands.

But I will say this, I think it a chance to ask your brother this, but since Twitter's the only platform when your brother are allowed on, right, he's what he's done for free speeches. Again, he's incredible. Yeah, he's incredible. And he's also a customer service representative. It's very interesting. Your brother tweeted back to Elon. Elon tweeted famously, I think I'm going to remove accounts that are

enacted or aren't tweeting anymore. And your brother didn't bash him, said, create Didn't Basham said create idea Elon. Yeah, but it is I have a suggestion My father passed away What seven years ago maybe eight years ago? I still read his tweets all the time. I would really appreciate if he would keep his account active Yeah, as of today. I think his account is still active. So Thoughts on that the fact that Elon Musk possibly read your brother's tweet. Well, he's like- He's like- He's like-

Well, he's liked some of Andrew's tweets before, but you have to understand and I fully understand. I don't have an ego. I fully understand. If you don't know me and you've never met me and you listen to what the prosecution service of Romania is saying about me, even if you like me and even if you don't believe it, the smart choices wait for it to be proven bullshit before interacting with me. You know, because an association, I would not want to be associated with somebody who was a human trafficker. I wouldn't. So I get it. If someone doesn't actually know me and they're like,

oh, well, let me distance myself from tape right now. Yeah, it's sad. And yeah, most people who have their bullshit detector switched on can know what's happening to me and why, or to Andrew and why. But he's liked some of Andrew's tweets, but he doesn't follow us. And he doesn't interact with us besides those likes. And I completely understand that decision. Because what if tomorrow, photos of a room behind that room

come out with chains and mattresses where people were kidnapped and kept, you know, the kind of evidence you'd expect in a case like this? You know, what if that comes out? I saw a lot of that, by the way. No, you have to type in the special code on it. But anyway, so yeah, no, Elon is a wonderful guy guy and I think he's kept Andrew's account upon purpose.

If I could give Elon one piece of advice, I would actually criticize people for giving Elon advice. But there is one thing that he did that I think he could have done better. Hear me out, you are the only man in human history ever to have the power to send things into near Earth orbit without the government. It's just you. If you send something up that people don't like who has to take it down, the Russian government, the United States government, I get that he sent a Tesla.

I get it. But I have criticized him on this before. I would send a statue of myself saying Elon owns space. And I published its coordinates every day on a website so people on their telescopes could look with a giant statue of myself that will be up there forever. Longer than humans will live on the earth. That will be up there.

There is a theory. Who's going to take it down? If you troll the American government with that statue into sending up a giant satellite with a net to bring down your Elon owns space statue, that's a double win. So I get that he sent the test book. But if I could give him one piece of advice,

just one, send a statue of your self. He's taking a bullet up, doing it the other way. Yeah, you know what? And you don't even have to reply to this podcast, Elon, but if you do it, I will donate a million dollars to a charity of your choice. I promise. That is, I absolutely promise. If he sends a statue into space, say Elon owns space. It has on a live feed, I will donate a million dollars to any charity. That's not even criticism. that's just friendly advice. That's, no, that's Elon's more mature than me. And I'm childish and I would've done something more childish.

So it's not even advice, it's me admitting that I'm a bit of a little kid about things sometimes. And yeah, I'm pettier than Elon, I guess. So it's not advice in the positive at all, but that's what I would've done differently. He is capable of doing something like that. I know. If there's a guy that would do this, probably him. I know. And I would have done differently. He is capable of doing something like that. I know. If there's a guy that would do this, probably him.

I know. And I would do it. And I would be does. Were you here on BBC came here? I was here. How was that experience? I know that we're very friendly. And you guys check them on their vaccines and masks

and everything. How was that entire experience from your optics? I love that people underestimate both my brother and myself. They see a bunch of money and they see fast cars. I don't know how they think I got it. I don't know if they think I'm a thug or criminal or trust one kid. I've heard all the theories. But nobody actually understands that Andrew and I are very intelligent people.

I don't know why. The people who hate us assume that we're done. Oh, they're kickboxing them up on some head a few times. They're probably thugs. They have no idea that woman was totally unprepared for who she sat down across from. She was unprepared. She could have done, I mean, I think you

famously put out she'd have done more than five hours of research. I think less than that, but she could have sat and watched every single word Andrew has ever said and came with the same attacks and looked equally as stupid. I feel like the BBC noticed. I don't think the BBC is an institution or as stupid as people are making them out to be. I think that the woman they sent, they knew was unprepared. They don't care. How many views are on that video compared to all the other views they get?

No one's watching the TV. No one who wants news goes home at 9 o'clock and turns on BBC anymore. It's all internet. It's all clicks. Tuck a car. Some is wiping the floor with everybody at the moment and God bless him, he's doing a wonderful thing. But they sent her like a land to the slaughter. I really believe that the top of the top BBC executives have to be smart enough to know that this woman was not an intellectual match for Andrew Tate. They must have known. They've seen his previous interviews, but this woman didn't know. And it was frankly embarrassing for her. I was standing right here on this balcony listening to the entire thing was happening right

here, and I felt embarrassed for her. Yeah, clearly she had an agenda, clearly they lost. What I thought was pretty pathetic is even if you have an agenda, even if you don't agree with the person, at the very least shake the person's hand. Yeah. Why wouldn't she shake either of your guys' hands at the end of the interview? At the very least, shake the person's hand. Why wouldn't she shake it? Either of your guys' hands, they end with the interview. That's just low class. Yes, it was.

And it was the fact that if she had felt that she'd got the bett-run, she would have shaken his hand. She had absolutely. We should clearly have lost. Yes, because she shook his hand at the beginning. So, let me ask, was it clearly there? If they're accusing you of they don't know how you make money, you guys run the real world, you guys won, run the war room.

Justin Waller, if we were saying nice things about earlier, shout out to Jay Waller. Ice, he had to. Yeah. He put out a tweet last week, and then I'm gonna allow you to clarify. I said, last week I put out a challenge for any student of the real world to pay the next month's mortgage for their parent.

Yes. He gave an example of a guy named D'Darr. So D'Darr shout out to you, he came through. Yes. For gave an example of a guy named D'Dar. So D'Dar, shout out to you, came through. Yes. For his mother, it could not be more proud of this young man. I know covertate and the talisman would feel the same. So here you are changing actual people's lives,

enabling young men to pay their parents mortgage. Yes. What are you doing with the real world? What are you doing with the war room? That's actually enabling people to help their family, to make money money and as a byproduct, obviously, you guys make money. Well, the real world is it, I think it's almost a revolution in education, which is another reason why I think everyone wants Andrew to shut up. I feel like the traditional way, because you have to understand, universities have a monopoly on the borrowing credit of

young people. An 18-year-old who wants to be a pilot cannot say, hey, bank, give me some money, swipe a ticket, fly a lesson, and get my pilot's license. So say no, join the military or don't. He can't say, I've got a great business idea. Give me a loan on the start ice cream store. Here's the business plan. And they'll say, no, hey, I wanted to study gender studies. Give me $100,000.

They write the checks every single time. And the people you're learning from are not necessarily qualified to make you a better fit for the workforce. They're not necessarily qualified to teach you anything about how to make money, which used to be the end goal of university. I do not shan university. My doctors went to university, my lawyers went to university. University is absolutely necessary in today's society. But telling every young person that that's the only path to success. The real world was founded on the principle that when me and Andrew were young we had to jump through hoops to network with high

level people. My dad knew a rich chess player this guy ran a kickbox in tournament. Okay, let me see if I could speak in for 10 minutes after see if I can learn anything. Now, 49 dollars a month, you are in direct contact with millionaires who we've all verified. We've verified them personally. People who've made millions of dollars in their industry And they are going to teach you how they they did it and what you should do if you wish to emulate them So we're cutting out the middle man in a way so it is absolutely wonderful Do some people join the real world and just have it on their phone and think it's magic I think it's gonna make the money and not make money perhaps it's a resource like anything else like a great book

But you have to put the time in you have to learn the knowledge from it, and yeah, that guy paid his mother's mortgage payment. At the time it was between the real world and the war room. The war room, you have to think of it more of as a private member's network, whereas the real world, nobody's vetted, nobody's kicked out, anybody who wants to jump in at any point, man, woman, child, any age can get inside and learn from the people who are professors in the world. In the real world.

You see, I just mixed them up just there. Why the world, the name's so similar. Whereas the war room is something very, very different. I'll let Andrew's probably give it a description of the war room and I feel like that will be adequate, so I'll leave it at that because I am just a war remember like everybody else. I do not own the war. So this whole time I thought you guys might have been

50, 50 partners on all this. This is all Andrew. 50, 50 partners on everything. You are. Yeah. If I go, if I, if I went outside right now and I don't know, did anything that made money, it goes into the same banks, it goes into the same accounts.

Anything any of us do goes into the same banks and the same accounts. And you know, when you're successful enough, that's hard to keep track of. It's not just one account with one number. It's all over the world. So all of our money is collective money. So it doesn't matter what he earns, what iron, because it all goes into the same place. Hmm. And then what? War room and real world.

Real world. Yeah. How many total members do room in real world. Real world. Yeah. How many total members do you have an idea in the members? I think the real world where we have an excessive 200,000 students. Holy 200,000 students. And excessive 200,000 students. Absolutely. Very impressive.

And then for anybody who can do basic maths, you know, to assume that I would need to kidnap anyone to make money is ridiculous. I'll just leave that out there. But you know, the people who are involved in this attack don't care how I make money. They don't care in the truth. They don't care about the truth. They just want to spend some negative story about me. And I feel like they failed. But we'll see. We'll see what happens. Time will tell the way it's going right now. You're going to see what's going to happen here soon. But I'm not afraid of anything. They can't stop me. Have you ever been a child and found something scary?

I have an example. I was living in Indiana seven years old, and everyone was jumping into this lake from this big tall rock. And I sat there all day and all afternoon while everyone jumped off this big tall rock. I walked to the edge of it five or six times. And I thought, you know what?

That's scary. I'm not going to do it. And by the end of the day, I jumped. I thought, oh, well, that was no big deal. And going to do it. And by the end of the day, I jumped, I thought, oh, well, that was no big deal. And I did it again, and then it was time to go home. I was no longer afraid of that. The worst punishment these people can do is to try to discredit my name, which fails, and to put me in jail.

I jumped off the rock. I'm not scared of jail anymore. You want to send me back good, because if you send me back, you're now going to have to explain to the world why. You're going to have to show the evidence this time. So you better prove it. You know whether I get sent back or not they're going to have to finally show their cards. They've been sitting here with a seven and a two. Well I'm across them with aces and they're aces all across the floor and they've been chip leader pushing their chips around making their

power moves. The time is coming, where they're going to have to put their cards on the table. It's going to be tough for them. It's going to be really tough for them. But will you hear when, I'm assuming you were here, when the, I think it was Andrew who showed the clip where he agreed for the by-sky to come here.

Is this a true story? Yeah, there was an event that the war room held called the test. Nobody knew why they were coming or what they were doing and Andrew matched them up in a professional fight on no notice because everyone likes to talk big and say I'm ready, I've been physically training, etc. And people could either pass the test by getting in the cage or fail the test by denying it. The vice guys went through the test and the entire time you went through the test, it was like, this is also me, I understand how this helps men grow and etc. gave me all the bullshit

in my year I knew it was a snake from day one called out the podcast so this guy is a complete door and he's not to be trusted now and you ran this idea by everybody the people who are careful my legal team I PR team some of them are here and a lot of people said no don't do that no no no you look like a bully you look like a you're mean I was like guy, when we were in jail, released the most biased piece of negative journalism I've ever seen against us, screw this guy. And it was like, really? I said, yeah, go for Andrew.

I was like, guy, I said, who get, what's he gonna do? Break into my house, pass my security guards, and somehow beat me up. Now, we would have loved to fly to Australia or Thailand and stand them up there. So he's got a nice, you know, 16 hour economy flight home But sadly all we could do was book arrest and I thought it was absolutely hilarious He's he's still waiting for an interview by the way even today. How long was he waiting outside? Oh, he came back twice He wasted the whole day but outside of my gate and physical hours spent maybe three God shame what's happened to Vice is

George Soros lying in mouth for 400 million. Well, people deserve it. They, you know, what goes around comes around. You want to be a little jerk? People are going to treat you like one. They certainly won't forget how you treat them. People will not forget. Oh, absolutely.

They never do. Speaking of what goes around comes around, you know, there's two, probably the two most famous brothers in the world is, you get the tape, brothers. You get the Paul Brothers. And there's been some beef, some words exchange. No love lost. I don't know. Certain people have said certain things about one another.

Let's just say you're in a bar. There's no cameras. There's no judges. There's no rules. Ta's no judges, there's no rules. Take brothers walk in the bar, Paul Brothers walk in the bar. Who walks out? Me and my brother, every single time. But I understand that this question is, is phrased to hype the beef between us and the Paul Brothers.

I actually want to put one thing straight. I have no beef with the Paul Brothers. And I don't think my brother does either. I will go as far as to say, I really like Jake Paul. Me and my brother are bigger than the Paul Brothers, more fight experience than the Paul Brothers. I've taken more punches than the Paul Brothers, wrestling, grappling, me and Andrew of Judo experience.

Like, who would win the fight? I feel like that's a juvenile question to ask, because if I saw Jake Paul, I'd buy him a drink. I like Jake. Logan not so much. But Jake is a hard-working young man who has put it all on the line and gets in the ring against people vastly more experienced than themselves in combat sports.

He thought Tommy Fury, who's a vastly more experienced boxer. And I don't feel there's any beef between me and the poor brothers. I've sat down and had drinks with Jake. I would go as far as to say I like Jake. I don't like their relationship with brothers. If I could criticize anything about them, I saw, I mean, there are clips when Jake's like, oh, I want to be the world champion of boxing and I was like, yeah, good luck. Yeah, as if I don't feel that's a good way for brothers to behave, but more of that comes from Logan to Jake. There is no beef.

Well, there was beef between your brother Andrew. Yes. And Logan, there was actually more. I mean, they probably hate each other now, but it doesn't matter. I remember a year ago, Logan Paulson. No, Andrew's the big fish now, but we'll see in a year where he is.

And now no one cares who Logan Paul is. So no one who doesn't drink his cheap sugary energy drink with a carousel he is And you know, I think in five years no one's gonna know who he is, but Andrew's still gonna be relevant Wow, so but I think that's how the victory is gonna be one But I don't think about the Paul Brothers, I haven't talked about them in a long time But I have spoken to Jake since getting out of jail, and I will say right now, I like Jake, and I like Logan for one thing and one thing only. Logan brought back with that loser, KSI, this old notion of, okay, we've got beef,

well, instead of wrapping about each other, or talking shit on Twitch streams, let's handle it like men. And that's how I grew up, I grew up in a very bad part of town. And I've had 40-something professional fights myself. That's how beef was settled between men. Nowadays, everyone's to stab each other or just talk shit and not actually back it up.

Logan and KSI brought back the tradition of, I challenge you to a duel. So I feel like Logan has given something great to the world, even though I may personally dislike him a little bit. And Jake, I have nothing bad to say about. So I know that's a boring answer. No, it's all good. I respect Jake. Well, in the last interview we did your brother called out Logan pretty hard, and then the last time we saw your brother out in public, there was a faceoff between him and Jake. Him and Jake. Him and Craps. Yeah, because there was talks of a fight at the time.

Gotcha. I think any, certainly, any plans to join in on the YouTube boxing community were thwarted by our arrest and our imprisonment. But I also feel right now, and I'll say unapologetically to anybody involved in that industry, YouTube boxing's dying. It was fun for a while. It was a spectacle for a while. You think it is, you think it's that? I think it's dying. I think people want to see Jake versus KSI. Jake will kill him, by the way. And after that, no one really cares anymore. I think that you can only put a spin on boxing for so long,

but you're never going to be the traditional disguise train 15 years against. This guy is trained 15 years old school rules of boxing. I've actually likened YouTube boxing to celebrity sects tapes. Hear me out. Lots of people watch pornography, which is Iran by the way. Don't watch pornography. It's one of the worst habits a man could possibly have. But lots of people watch this stuff of professionals having sex with each other. Okay? A celebrity sex tape comes out. They're crap sex. Guys got a small dick. But everyone watches it.

Why? Because it's a novelty. It's entertaining for a very short time, Kim Kardashian. Got famous that way, Pamela Anderson, Paris Hilton. Back in the day, that was a big deal. Oh look, it's a novelty, it's porn. But this is a celebrity. Someone we know, someone who we watch videos of,

someone who we've seen speak on TV. YouTube boxing had its big moment, like celebrity sex tapes had their big moment, and now people are bored of watching losers with small dicks and they wanna see the guys with the big dicks fuck. So now I think people wanna see real boxing again, and everyone's bored of this, well I know him a bit,

so I'm gonna watch two idiots elbow each other in the face because they're not gonna throw punches straight. Well, just so you know, right now, the moment Tommy Lee sees this, he's gonna be very upset at you, you see what you said about him because when the sex tape with Tommy Lee a lot of the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the I think I made that up. No one else has ever said that. That's intrusive to take original home. But I'm right. It's over. Everyone's bored. Sex tape. Yeah. So when this whole charade is done, yeah, and you and your brother are proven innocent,

yes, and you're scot free. Yes. Walk us through what the future holds for the tape brothers. The future holds more of the same. I feel like the days when me and Andrew were on a mission, to get to the next step, we have to get here, we have to get here, we have to get here. That ended a while ago, and this case has now given us one more of those. We need to beat this. That's our next hurdle. But I'm more about trying to enjoy the steps than caring about what the next one is.

You know, I want to spend time with my daughter. I love my, I love being a dad. It's a wonderful experience. I'd love to have more kids, keep the income coming in, keep being rich, keep flying around on private jets, experiencing the very best things the world has to offer, the best regards, the finest suits, the most well-mixed martinis at the finest hotels

in the world, that's what I like to do. And there's just gonna be much more of that, but I'm gonna appreciate it a lot more than if I had never been sent to that dungeon Respect 92 days 93 days. Yeah 92 days And you guys watched a very good movie together Yeah I think that I think the people the remaining police force are probably studying that movie right now as well I'm sure you've heard the story

But uh yeah, and on the flight back that song is stuck in my head right now. I can't get it out of here Oh the ketchup song Jesus Christ Fashioned by fashion, but you're you're you're like you know, it's amazing every time you put it together. So 22 year old guys watching this how can I get better in fashion? What tips could you give them? Oh, there's one tip. There's one tip that over rules absolutely everything. Be in shape. The person who makes my suits, the same person who makes the suits of King Charles, England. Now I like I have nothing bad really to say about King Charles, but he looks worse in his suits

than I look in my suits. They're made by the same people. Why? Because I'm in good shape. A suit is all about how it fits you. It's not about, I have to be trusted to take. I'm gonna go to Savile Row in London and I'm gonna buy a $10,000 suit. No, get into good shape. Buy a huge suit.

Buy a huge oboss suit. For a couple hundred bucks, maybe a thousand bucks you could put one together, have your mother. Have someone you know with a sewing machine, you know, taper it in a little bit at the sides, make sure that the leg is the exact right length, but if you are shaped like like like a man in good shape, the suit's gonna look good on you. There's no way you can be obese, lazy, out-shaped individual, and go to my tailor and come out and come out of my

tailor shop. Regardless of how much you spend looking like me, be in shape, it's the number one fashion advice I give to anyone. It's the old over Sachi T-shirt, you know, on a big fat guy versus just a plain five-butt T-shirt on a guy who's in shape. That's my advice to young men. Be in good shape and by clothes that fit you. That over rules absolutely every single fashion rule that anyone could give. The man makes the suit, the suit doesn't make the man. Absolutely. Well, so. I was expecting one gray, one navy blue, one this, one that. No.

Three different colors. No, being shaped. Being shaped. No one suits. Fine. So we learn a lot today. We learn the kind of cigars you like. It's half the price of coheva.

We learned we're going to have to see what's going to happen with Romania, because with the case, we have to kind of wait for that We learned that these YouTube prizes like porn Right there and we learned that the best tip for Fashionable advice is to be in shape. Absolutely. This has been an incredible conversation with yeah I wish we could have done it last summer glad we were able to do it this time And me and you look good. No, nothing going on here, which is good. But looking forward to the next time, hopefully next time

we talk, you guys will be free. And you'll be able to tell some stories that maybe we couldn't tell today. Oh, absolutely. I'm looking forward to it. Brother, this was great. Yeah, it's really great. It's been great.

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