PBD Podcast - Trudeau's Reign of Terror, TRT vs Steroids, and GOATS of Bodybuilding | PBD Podcast | Ep. 339

Episode Date: December 14, 2023

Patrick Bet-David and Vincent Oshana are joined by professional bodybuilder Christopher Bumstead, known by his fans as CBum, as they discuss the greatest competitive bodybuilders of all time, the effects of processed foods and plastics on testosterone levels, and the pros and cons of steroid use. Check out CBum's supplement company Get Raw Nutrition: https://bit.ly/3RoGSLF Check out CBum's energy drink, Bum Energy: https://bit.ly/3RGz2P3 Subscribe to CBum's YouTube channel: https://bit.ly/3RGzjl3 Follow CBum on Instagram: https://bit.ly/46XAYqO Follow CBum on TikTok: https://bit.ly/47UWKNj00:38 - Patrick explains why he stopped interviewing bodybuilders 01:43 - Chris discusses how he get into bodybuilding 9:58 - Chris explains how he quit the partying lifestyle after qualifying for Mr. Olympia in 2017 15:14 - Patrick explains the changes he would make if he ran the Mr. Olympia Competition 29:05 - Comparing the physiques of several different bodybuilders 42:25 - If competitive bodybuilding is worth suffering health effects later in life 1:06:14 - Chris discusses his enemies in the world of competitive bodybuilding 1:12:01 - Competing with Arnold Schwarzenegger for best body builder of all time 1:13:56 - Canadian's thoughts on Prime Minister Justin Trudeau 1:18:31 - The use of steroids in bodybuilding 1:29:18 - The effects of healthy diets, including superfoods, and the harm processed foods pose on male testosterone levels 1:39:24 - Obesity rates in America vs the rest of the world Purchase Patrick's new book "Choose Your Enemies Wisely": https://bit.ly/41bTtGD Connect one-on-one with the right expert to get the answers you need with Minnect: https://bit.ly/3MC9IXE Get best-in-class business advice with Bet-David Consulting: https://bit.ly/40oUafz Visit VT.com for the latest news and insights from the world of politics, business and entertainment: https://bit.ly/472R3Mz Visit Valuetainment University for the best courses online for entrepreneurs: https://bit.ly/47gKVA0 Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! SUBSCRIBE TO: @VALUETAINMENT @vtsoscast @ValuetainmentComedy @bizdocpodcast @theunusualsuspectspodcast Want to be clear on your next 5 business moves? https://bit.ly/3Qzrj3m Join the channel to get exclusive access to perks: https://bit.ly/3Q9rSQL Download the podcasts on all your favorite platforms https://bit.ly/3sFAW4N Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

I Hey, this is how you run home. You look what I've become. I'm the, I'm the one. Let's see this, see if I'm getting the audio right or wrong. Chris just taught me how to use this Apple new iPad. I'm used to using the old one, but today, guys, I have not done a bodybuilding interview for probably, I can't even tell you, I haven't done one for probably four, five years, and there's a reason for it.

This is a space I was very interested in. When I was younger, I got out of high school, I wanted to be a Mr. Olympia, I wanted to do the whole thing, and I wanted to be a Mr. Olympia. I hung out with these guys to see what the life was gonna be like, and then, you know, hey, if you wanna be a Mr. Olympia, what's the right height? What do you gotta be?

What's the good to get this guy to be like? Do I do this? Do I do that in a final one? I'm like, Mr. Olympia is not for me, I'm leaving. But maybe later on, I'll do something. I wanted to buy Mr. Olympia is not for me, I'm leaving. But maybe later on I'll do something. I wanted to buy Mr. Olympia. So at a meeting with them, three months before they announced Jake Wood

but Mr. Olympia and I wanted to make an offer. So now we're never gonna be selling. We don't have this, we don't have that. Then Jake Wood buys us that I'm done with Mr. Olympia. I walked away. However, I did a bunch of interviews with a bunch of the guys. And you're the first one I'm doing since then because you're a very interesting profile

of a bodybuilder, which doesn't make sense. And let me explain to you why. Okay, here we go with this. Number one, this guy is, Rob, can you play this clip for some of you dead? Maybe he's caught himself covered. So he's not showing his arms, he's not showing his body. I just want you to see this clip.

I can't play the music because YouTube's not gonna be happy with us, you know which clip I'm talking about Rob? That one right there. Just watch this clip here. This is him at two years old. We can't play the music. So this is you, I'm sure you've seen this. Very cute.

Sick hat. He's got style. Very flexible. Very flexible. Look at this guy here. Good looking young stud 10 years old. Boom. Holy shit, he's got style. Very flexible, very flexible. Look at this guy here. Good looking young stud 10 years old. Boom. Holy shit, he's got muscles and swagger.

Damn. 18 years old, is that five plates? He's got two, geez. Yeah, you're rocking the bond, dude. And then you come to 19, okay, I can do something with this body. And then 20, then all of a sudden, you go to 21, shoulders popping out, you're seeing

a difference now, waist staying small, look at that waist. Very hard to keep at the weight is small. Still haven't eaten one carb. Yeah, 24, 25, it'll come up in all of a sudden. Show you where at this is when you start winning winning 25 the beard shows up. There it is 26 and then boom five time Mr. Olympia classic champion And it's interesting because you're the most followed guy in bodybuilding outside of Arnold

I believe and Arnold obviously has had a run rate for many years and he's a governor, actor, he's the goat in the bodybuilding space for doing a full life, everything that he's done together. But he got 22 million followers on Instagram, 5 million, nearly 5 million on TikTok, nearly 4 million subs on YouTube. And anybody I talk to from the bodybuilding space, your loved and your liked. A lot of people are maybe loved, admired, but not liked.

Some are liked, but they're not loved and admired. Very few are loved and admired. And they stay humble and they're chill. And you and I were talking, I was inviting you to party like, hey man, I'd love to come But I gotta go somewhere because I'm handling something. I'm like, oh, good call. You're just very straight up about it And we talked about it

I'm like, look at this guy freaking amazing guys. Let's have him on and then here we are talking to the five-time Mustro Olympia champion skirt to have you on the podcast. Thank you sir It's an honor to be here hell of an intro there. I've never seen that video so I've never seen that video I haven't seen it yet So that's a video of you, man. I'm on what you've done and where you are today. A lot of young guys look up to you with the way you handle yourself, how humble you are and your champion

and you openly talk about the challenges and you're expecting a child, which is exciting. I saw the video, you left everybody hanging with the twice with the clip. You're about to tell us and I'm boom and then second time you tell us and I'm boom. You left everybody hanging, you know, with the twice, with the clip. Yeah. You're about to tell us and I'm boom, and then second time you tell us and I'm boom. So I also like the way you're creating your content. So let's go from the beginning.

I got a few stories I'm going to go through here with you. I want to talk about a couple of things with health, obesity, some stats we got here for you. Some of it's taking place within kids. We'll talk about some other things having to do with bodybuilders. I'll show you some pictures of some guys who have one in the past before. I want to get your thoughts on how you look at different bodybuilders, on their physics,

different champions that's been in the game for a while. And then some of this stuff we'll talk about the current state of bodybuilding, the current state of mistroel-impia. And I'm sure we'll talk about a bunch of other things. But before we get started for the audience that doesn't know your background, how did you get into bodybuilding?

Was it a natural transition into it? Were you wanna be a menstrual limpia? Was it something like purely accidental? It was definitely a little accidental. When I was younger, I loved playing sports. I played way too many sports to be good at any one sport. I was kinda my problem, I was very athletic. And instead of falling into putting in my training

into being a better football player, basketball player in the skill, I fell in love with training and alone and being in the gym and wanting to be stronger because I was just naturally very athletic. So I spent all my time in the gym rather than practicing the skills sports and slowly, you know, people started to get really good. You know, I started to get beat out in all the sports and I just started spending all my time in the gym. And then when I was 17 years old, my sister started dating a local bodybuilder. And they're actually now married. He's my brother-in-law.

Oh, wow. And he got me into understanding the true depths of bodybuilding, what it really took, the training, nutrition, recovery, everything. And he saw some potential in me. He was like, hey, I'd love to coach you for a bodybuilding show if you want. And I was like, hell yeah, let's try this. How old are you at this time? That was when I was 17.

Oh, wow. But I didn't compete in front until two years later. Got it. So I was still just training up. And then he coached me when I was 19. Oh wow. But I didn't compete in front till two years later. Got it. So I was still just training up and then he coached me when I was 19 to do my first show. And the cool thing is he actually coached me for eight years after that and we won three minstrel limpia titles together. So from getting me into the gym, teaching me the ropes to three limpia titles. So he got you, so you guys are three together.

So then is that one, honey showed up? Yeah, that's when I wish over honey God and how did that transition happen with honey? Supernaturally no Ian my brother not Ian he was competing in the Olympia as well So imagine competing for the Olympia having to prep yourself be peak week diet and get yourself right It's even in documentary that you created the video as well Where he's also jacked and he's like I'm excited because I'm actually to be on the stage. Okay, so that's your brother-in-law. The blonde guy.

Got it. Yes. Yes. So it's pretty difficult to manage what you're doing while also having the pressure of the last time Olympia champion and making sure I come in perfectly. So it was taking away from his ability to compete and he felt like he wasn't able to give me his all as a coach. So we started talking about bringing in someone new.

So he came up and he says, I've taken you this far, you need somebody else to take you to the next level. Was it that kind of a comedy? Yeah. Wow. We were definitely on the same page, but he was all for. He just wanted what we're interested in for him to do. That's not easy to do when somebody says, so what was the difference? Because Hany, for people that don't, if he can pull up, uh, honey, how do you spell his last name, by the way? It's our, uh, R O R A M B O D. He's Persian. I should know how to spell his last name. We talk all the time. This guy is is a by the way, the amount of people he's worked with. That he's a help feel has worked with them. Phil speaks very highly of him. You got Chopin. You got just recently

Mr. Olympia champion as well. A lot of people have worked with him. What is the biggest difference of working with Honey versus your brother-in-law? What did you notice immediately? I would probably say the experience of working with champions. There's a level where you understand the basics and all things in life are like this. You understand the basics of fundamentals of everything. You can keep getting better at those.

And then there's something that only experience really gives you at the top level. A lot of the combination of the mindset, how different everybody's body is, how differently you respond to different stressors and different simulations and all that stuff. So when there was a problem that would occur, maybe in like peak week, you're about to get on stage. Like for example, this year I woke up and I was holding on to a bunch of water, didn't really look how I should have. I'd put on a bunch of weight overnight randomly,

and you might panic, but we gotta be on stage in three hours with what do we do? You don't know what to do. There's different manipulations you can do with your body, but only so much you can do in a matter of hours. But he's been doing this with champions at a high level for 20 years. He has 24 Olympia titles under his belt

that he's become a little crazy. Yeah. So he just understands how to problem solve and doesn't overthink, he doesn't stress it. And he can just pull it from his experience. Is he is he driving you by creating urgency or is he more bringing you down and keeping you calm? And we got this under control. Or is it a combination of challenging you? Hey, if you really want this, you got to do this, you know, you got to push a little bit more in this area. This is an area. Does he talk to you like an artist looking at your body, saying,

look at this angle here, look at this here, if we work on this, what is that approach he has with you? Is it more you feel calmer when he's around, or does he challenge you to go above and beyond? It's definitely a bit of both. Anyone who knows honey knows either crazy stress case sometimes. And he's kind of like the guy who'll carry all the stress so you don't have to. But he's also the guy who will never look at anything and be satisfied, you know. For him to give you a compliment, I maybe got like two over two years over

him the other. You're like, this second he looked at you and he'll just quietly, he'll give a little smile and nod and you're like, oh shit, that's a good thing. That's a good thing. That's a normally, normally you won't even get like that little spark in his eye. It's just like, all right, you could look the best, feel the best you've ever done. And he's just like, all right, we got to push more cardio, cut your carbs, we got to start doing this now. Like, it's just, what do we do to be better? He's always on that.

So, so you're a five time champion. And for some people that don't know, you were born in 95. Yeah. You're February 2nd, 95. You're 28 years old, right? It's not like you're 38 years old or 39 years old. You know, you're 28 years old, which means,

you can go as long as you want to go. I remember when I was in YMCACA and we're all starting to work out. There's a 16-year-old kid, his name is Arthur. He had a brother named Mehrouche. They may see this and somebody may send it to him. Arthur had an insane, and when I mean insane, I mean insane physique, okay. And you could tell, this guys jeans are just better than the rest of us. He was 5, 10 to right height that if you wanted to make a run at it. And then from there, you're kind of like,

but just his passion wasn't there. It's just kind of like, yeah, I don't really care to be a menstrual ampere, or compete, or any of this stuff. At what did you have to do? Because to be a 5 time champion in 28, you're a go-lookin' guy, you got a great physique, you're gonna be attracted by a lot of girls I wanna be around you,

you can be invited to all the parties, the drugs are gonna be there for you, everything you wanna go to the places that are gonna be distractions, that crowd is gonna be attracted to a guy like you, right? How did you at a young age manage to prevent those temptations of getting caught up in drugs and all that other stuff to become a five-time champion? I mean, I definitely had a phase when I was younger where I was a bit of a party animal.

And that's where when you really look at some of my progressions with you, you can see one year that just flipped when I started to compete at the Olympia. And that was when I really checked out of being, I was in college. What was it that was how old were you at the time? It was around 2017. So 2017, six years, you're 22. Yeah. Was it a flip like you're done? Was it like a gradual guys?

I can't come this Saturday. Not for used to go five days a week. Not only going two days a week and a one day a week. It was a gradual at first because I qualified to go to the Olympia for my first time in 2017 and I started to pull away. When I was in prep, obviously, I'm embedded like eight to nine p.m. while they're at my college roommates are partying downstairs and I'm trying to sleep get up early for cardio and then that was only a 12 week prep and then I come second that year and that my first ever Olympia came second place and that's when I came home and

I was like fuck like I can make something of this like this is like I can do this if I go if I'm doing like 60% of the year I'm going all in, the other half I'm kind of parting too much. If I go 100% in and I give everything right now and I take out everything else, I know I can do this shit. Because the one thing about bodybuilders, man, you know, look, if you want to find out who has the drugs, who has the hookups to the club,

who has the hookups to girls to anything, go talk to guys that work out of Jim. No joke. Guys at- They got the fuck off. Okay. At ballies, at 24 hour, at LA fitness, at any of these gyms, powerhouse, NLA, any of these play,

they typically know every club promoter, every party guy, every day know it all. So if you party with bodybuilders, my experience, they were crazy. I was going to say this from your own experience. They were crazy party guys. I worked at Bally's for almost a year. So to me, it's like, shit, we know everybody. And you got access to you. You had the exesigay, you had the cocaine guy, you had this guy, you had the steroids guy, you had the, you know, weed guy with the best quality, you had everything you wanted, you had access within the gym. So it's kind of hard to get away from it. Even when

you sometimes talk to some of the guys who are known for having the best physique, the story is always, well, that guy partied above and beyond and he had a great physique and he could have been a bigger champion. It's not easy to say no to it though, because it's right in front of you. Okay, Chris, so you're your sister Melissa, IFBB Pro, right? So, and obviously you are who you are. Is anybody else in your family,

your mom and dad, like was your dad? Jack, was you like, you have an uncle? Is it in the bloodline? It's definitely, it definitely have some good genetics. I can't, I had a, I'm sure. My dad didn't compete or anything,

but there's one picture I always go back to where he was in high school school and he did, he was a gymnast and he got the bottom of one of those pyramids they would build. And he's just down there, hands on the ground, just triceps popping out of the wall. Really just mouth like that. You were jacked in high school, right? And he just laughed like, so, so Melissa's, excuse me, Melissa's husband, it's a guy that trained you before, honey. Yeah. How did you guys meet through her or? I was still in high school. She's five years older than me. Got you? Or did you, oh, wow. I was still in high school. She's five years older than me.

Got you. So he was like 22 at the time. I was in high school. They started dating and they've been together for like 12 years now or whatever. And he just started, he was competing at the time. He started teaching me the ropes and coached me a few years later.

That's sick, bro. So yeah, you can use zoom out a little bit so we can see the comparison between the brother, brother, brother. Yeah, if you can just click on that. Anyone who likes knows me in my sister, she has trained, she has compete. My sister had the better genetics of the two. Get off.

Oh yeah. Seriously? Yeah. She has the better genetics than the two of you. But I must admit, like, one of the things given, like, you're going over to get, like, some stuffing and they're like, yeah, you're tricep, dude, like, I don't. Is everybody just judging everybody? I mean, it's definitely funny because people meet me and they're like, oh, you're tricep, dude. Like, I don't. Is everybody just judging everybody? I think it's definitely funny because people meet me

and they're like, oh, you're a big dude, Bob. I never felt like I was a big dude because every dinner I had a family dinner. I was a second biggest guy at the table. Yeah. My brother-in-law's always like 50 pounds heavier than me. So I like, I never felt like I was that big. Yeah.

I would never that strong. He was always stronger than me. Just jacked at me. Yeah, he got me humble. Yeah, yeah know exactly. That's cool. That's cool. So let's talk bodybuilding. So, Miss Rolimpia, today, I'm having this conversation,

you know, my ideas of what I would do if I was running Miss Rolimpia. And I remember I did this one Instagram Live. A bunch of guys were on Phil Heath was on, Kai Green and all of these guys get on. And I said, I want to put a million dollar prize for my own contest I want to run. And if I'm not running the straw limp,

I'm going to put a million bucks for first place. I'm going to run my own open, but I'm going to do on the same weekend as the straw limp. Here's what I'm going to do. Not like I was trying to piss anybody off, but I just chose to say, I thought it was appropriate to do the same weekend. You don't see what's going to happen.

I was willing to go to 2 million, even a bigger number, but I wanted first place to get a million dollar check when you win. However, the direction I wanted to go is using data to prove what was the hardest thing to do that would earn the respect of somebody winning. And to me, the hardest thing to do with data today is a small waste, a nice symmetrical back,

nice shoulders, okay, legs, you know, boom, the movie, when you see these Hulk, like not Hulk-like, more Reeves type of style physique or Frank Zayn type of physique. It's also healthier. You can also manage expectations with younger kids that look up and say, I wanna be like that guy. Because it's different when you're looking in Nasser-Also-Mbat, you're like,

shit, I wanna be like that guy. Dude, that guy died very early because he was taking all the stuff that, you look at Greg Kovacs, this guy's got 26. You ever seen a picture with Greg Kovacs standing next to Jay Cutler? Have you ever seen, can you pull up this picture I sent you around with?

I thought this was a joke. I thought this was a joke. Well, they probably did a little bit of Photoshop with this, but great cove acts was known for incline pressing seven plates. Geez. Incline pressing seven plates. His arms were known for being 26 1 1 2 inches. I met this guy 20 something years ago.

You're looking at him. It doesn't look real. That doesn't, that looks like they photo like his tricep but bigger than his head. Just typing great covax in, it just typing great covax anywhere else, typing great covax and just go to images and you'll see what this look like. Yeah, just go over there or maybe go some of the other picture. Oh yeah, his shoulder, his, his, his just doesn't make any sense when you would see his, you know,

body, his arms put biceps, great covax biceps. If you just put that up there, great covax biceps, and go to some of these pictures. 26 and a half inch arms, 26 inch arms this guy's got. So the younger kids, they're coming up there like, dude, I want to have great covax type of physique. My idea was, is to flip it. So if I ever own Mr. Olympium, the open right now, the top price is what? $400,000.

$400,000, right? Okay. And the winner this year seems like the nicest guy who worked. Yeah. Great guy, messaged him, congratulations. God bless. Very much about God, your family guy, good guy to be a champion, but I would flip it. I would make the prize for the classic, the bigger one, and I would lower the open one. Of course, it's gonna piss a lot of people off,

and that's what they're not gonna want me have it as the owner, because that's a different approach to take. But why would I do that? When you sit there and you're looking at the amount of people having health issues with bodybuilding, they're not managing expectations properly. Do you think the current format the way they have where for you, when you win, most people don't know when you win, it's only $50,000. What's $50,000? Nothing. Obviously, you don't rely on the $50,000. You make millions on top of millions on sponsorship, and I heard your first sponsorship was $2,200 bucks a month

when you first got it, you're like, I can't even believe I'm doing $2,200 on a rich. It's never fair. It's just you're gonna take your friends out to the bar. You're like, hey, drink some meat. What do you think about the current format of Mr. Olympia? And when I listen to you, you sound very diplomatic and I don't know if you've been trained on how to talk.

You know how to give the diplomatic answers. You're very careful on the words you choose. And I watch you. And maybe you're gonna give the diplomatic answer right now. But if you were, if you and I were able to get in, and let's just say we're running with Stroll and Pia, we own it, you're running it, okay? You have the opportunity to make a few changes

because you're thinking about the youth, you're thinking about the future, you're thinking about the brand, you've given your life to this, you've got five championships. What would you do to improve the brand? It's funny, because I told my wife for coming out like your style of everything, because I know you call everybody out for giving political answers. I'm like, if I give a political answer, you're going to call me out now, let me give

it. So start with that. No, and the way you're thinking about it and talking about data and the progression of it, I think the way they are looking at it, and I'm not going to be super political, is it's a very short term. They're thinking people are excited to come by tickets to watch open bodybuilders because it's crazy to see, but people don't want to become that. So it's a short term goal.

The older people want to come and they want to watch it, and to this year they make some more tickets. But if you start changing the prize money and incentivizing more people going to classic physique and that grows more, that's more of a long term play where more people are going to be driven to start when they're young to chase that classic physique. More people are going to be following you over years and years and ten years down the road. People may look at bodybuilding as something fun but they all want want to watch Classic. And now there's a lot more excitement around a lot more competitiveness because there's a lot more money to it.

So it's kind of a longer term game, and I know the way you operate in business. Of course, you wouldn't have gotten where you are if you weren't thinking long-term. So I would probably put more emphasis on Classic physique. I would definitely be up in the prize money, and I've even thought, whenever I'm done with this and I choose to retire, I want to find some way to incentivize that more.

Obviously, like you said, I found a good way to start my own businesses and create my own net worth outside of competing. So I'm lucky in that aspect, but I wanna help other people who don't have that opportunity, but who wanna compete be more. So I wanna encourage more people, whether it be more sponsorship opportunities

or business opportunities for whoever, the class of the Equinier is plus more prize money, more shows around the globe that incentivize it more. Just different aspects. Seven things I've definitely thought about. Yeah, I love that, especially coming from somebody like you, because when you look at this, you're wondering, this is what I would do if I surveyed everybody

who bought a ticket this year. I would do if I surveyed everybody who bought a ticket this year. I would ask. I would put a list of all the top competitors who are there. And I would do a survey from everybody that bought a ticket. And I would ask, who is the number one person you're coming to see if I'm running the store, Olympia? Because that's the data I want. So then if I, all of a sudden, notice, the guy that's got 22 million Instagram followers, 23% are coming to CU. Second place, 17% are coming to see Derek or

Haddie or whoever else that is, right? 13% are coming. If I see those numbers, why is the 23% that's coming to see you getting paid 50, and the 17%'s getting the 400? Because that's a real valid question to be asking that data's gonna reveal who's selling the tickets. And I don't know if they do that data or not. By the way, Mr. Olympia, if you're watching,

and if you guys are involved in a Mr. Olympia, you guys are asked this question. If you're working for Mr. Olympia, go up, you know and if you guys are involved in a Mr. Olympia, you guys ought to ask this question. If you're working for Mr. Olympia, go up, you know who your bosses are. Go up and say, can we run this numbers? And FYI, for the rest of you that are more from a support of what direction he's going to, and you actually want this industry to get healthier,

and you would like this thing to be on national television, not the way it's going right now, it's not going to be. If you want it to be on national television, which is when you get the big checks, the big money, the big dollars and prices can get higher, that is a very valid question to ask because once I last some of the store on it, it was televised. Long time ago. No idea. Why is that? It's because of the steroids and the issues and the challenges and the health. So everybody that wants to do, they're like, oh, eight people died this

last year. This many bodybuilders died because they're using train or whatever else they're using. And that negative connotation comes with it. But if you all of a sudden say, oh, eight people died this last year. There's many bodybuilders died there because they're using train or whatever else they're using. And that negative connotation comes with it. But if you all of a sudden say, no, we want to highlight this kind of a physique, it can change the game. Do you think you would change it, though, if, because it's still well known that everybody uses steroids? No question about it. Yeah.

So it doesn't matter how much they're using or the fact we're using it at all. I don't care if you use steroids. I know you don't, but the average person on national television. But I also think we use to care who you smoke weed. Like, when you and I were, I keep saying, when you and I, you're 20, you're down 45. I forget the age difference, 17 years.

I talk to you like, you know, you're a champion, you know, career you've had 20 years, you've not had a 20 year career. You only got like a six year career, it's crazy, your career's only six years and you want five out of six times. No, but there was a time when I was in high school, you would see a guy with a tattoo,

you're like, that guy must be a gangster or he's been in jail. No, Joe, I'm 45, at 13 years old, that's the first thing I thought about. Like, damn, that guy's got a tattoo. He's probably killed someone. That's probably, yes or no Rob. Well, you're like not kind of thinking about it that way?

You're going over there. Right. I kind of like that guy skipped school. That guy skipped school. He's probably a trouble there. That's knife in his waist. Today, if you see a guy without a tattoo, you actually ask that guy's probably got some issues.

Beta. He's got some insecurities. He's probably this. Mama before. Mama before. Right? We're like, this guy without the tattoo has the issue back in the days of God, but the tattoo

had a issue. 30 years ago, if you smoke weed, look, look at that guy, man. He smokes weed. He's a drug addict. Don't want to see him doing that. Joe Rogan comes in and says, stop it. Knock it off. You know, you guys, more people die from smoking cigarettes, more people die from alcohol

than they do about this. Let's get under control. I think the education for PDs, steroids, peptides, GH, they need to look at that, and especially now that we're looking at the testosterone levels for the youth being as low as it is, what caused this? Why do we have this? Why are we not looking at this? Why are we looking at maybe boys are a little bit more soft and pansy? Is there a correlation to the testosterone levels that we have? Why are we not investigating this?

The world, the better place, would softer men in a country like this America? I don't know about that. So what are we doing to protect the future security of the country? You need some strong men with strong personalities and masculinity, high testosterone, that are willing to fight, that are willing to put

their lives on the line. That's the, so who's selling it that way? I don't know. But for me, when I think about the sport, somebody needs to be able to educate the pop, I was kind of excited when rock was gonna buy a Mistral Empire. You remember when that conversation was,

I'm like, dude, I hope the sky buys it. Because if him and Danny bought it, guess what? Like, do you know what they would do to, like, think about a rock and... They'd change, yeah. What changes do you think would have taken place if rock and Danny bought it. Guess what? Like, do you know what they would do to think about a frog? What changes do you think would have taken place if rock and Danny bought it? I think a lot of stuff like you were saying would be more long-term vision. They'd be running more data, switching over to make it more mainstream. They're all about making something more mainstream to get it on national television. They get real sponsorships, part of it, to get some real money. He was already talking about bringing in Ford and Voss in that sponsorships, which have a lot more money

than any of the small businesses, small, but medium sized businesses that are in there now. So it would just start growing like that. Yeah, and look, I don't have anything about Jake Wood. I've never spent time with the guy. I know he is a guy that actually loves bodybuilding itself. And he was a guy that apparently was very much interested in the female bodybuilding side.

That's where he was very involved in, and he picked up the brand. But it's a difference between having somebody like a weeder who loves the game and is a marketer, versus somebody that just loves the game. If you bring a guy that loves the game and is a marketer, it's gonna be a different story. So, I don't know if you'll answer this,

but if you don't totally get it, just guess the mission. And maybe because you're in the world and you hear some you'll answer this, but if you don't, totally get it. Just guess the mission. And maybe because you're in the world and you hear some people say about this, do you think more people come to watch Mr. Olympia? When he out there posing and the audience is there, what is the size difference of the audience of yours versus the open? Is it dramatically different?

Where the open is packed than you guys are not or is it about the same? I can't judge that because we're on right after each other. So, like, in the morning, there's two stages. Yeah. And at night, we're on the same stage and it's the same crowd. Got it. So there's not a way to judge that. So, okay, what ways could mistrole impure due diligence to see why the fans are coming to watch the show? Is there ways to find out? Like, maybe you would know. I mean, the way you said about taking data

and doing a survey would definitely help, but I also think that right now, my following and a lot of the people who are transitioning over to really liking the more classic physique looking and more attainable look, are a little bit younger, may have less money to travel to Vegas and buy a ticket. But if you start building that up in five years,

now these guys are the people in the head positions that companies with real careers who can afford it. So again, it's a more long-term play to start building something that those that next generation will want to come and purchase tickets for. So it's hard to say. If you did your survey right now, let's say you said I'm 23% and then the winner of Olympia is 10%. But what if the next guy is 9% and that's also in the open? Yeah, no. And then the next guy's like another 9% and he's also open and the combination like 38 maybe I'm 23 But the combination of the top five guys in the open is a little bit higher right now

But by the way, you know what I would do if they did that then at least that's gonna prove that they're doing the right thing But let's just say it's 2 to 1 yeah, but the price is 8 to 1 That doesn't make any sense to me. If it is two to one, well then the classic needs to go to $200,000 and the open can stay at $400,000. 50,000?

Dude, if I was your manager, they would hate me because I'd be calling them every single freaking week saying, dude, this guy's stepping away because he's gonna go do something else. He's all in making a shit ton of money. He's about to be a father, family guy. He's not gonna waste his time with this.

He wants to do something bigger than his only 28. You guys better change the price or else. I would be the most hated guy when they would get these calls, but I'm not in that business. They, it would be, like, it's them. Yeah, not. This is laughing. It would be different kind of phone calls than yet.

So, on this topic, I wanna kind of go through some of the pictures, your bodybuilding pictures. Every time I've had to guess, I show them. I think the first time I did it with Dore and Yates, Yates started, I don't know if you've seen that one when Yates is, you know, looking at the pictures and then I did it with, we had Flex and Ronnie and Brand and Kurt. We had a bunch of these guys, Sean Ray showed up even, I think we did Sean Ray and we did Dexter.

Dexter to me, even one of the sickest physiques, the way his pictures would come up. Rob, can you pull up some of these pictures? I just wanna get your thoughts on some of these pictures here. When you think about Mr. Olympia competitors, and we can start off with him. When you think about Sean Ray's physique, historically, everyone's always called his physique

one of the greatest physiques of all time. He never won, but I think he's been in the top three more than anybody else. There's a statistic about how many times he was in the top three more than anyone else. What do you think when you think of Sean race physique? I think he had a beautiful classic physique for sure. I don't even think he'd make the weight limit for classic anymore. Honestly, he was a little bit shorter, but great lines, great physique. He had that small waist, and he had that very symmetrical physique.

A lot of my physique, I have to pose to make it look a little more symmetrical and give the illusion. He could stand straight on. The more straight on, you can hit every pose. No angles or anything. It shows you that you're not hiding anything, and it's just perfect. Everything bubbling, rounding, pop. How do you think he would do in today's classic?

You think he would? I don't know if he'd make weight. You don't know if he'd make weight. How do you think he would do in today's classic? You think he would? I don't know if he'd make weight. You don't know if he'd make weight. I think he'd be a little heavier, yeah. I mean, he looks a lot bigger than a lot of the guys you see right now in classic. So it's hard to say, I don't know what he weighed or how tall he weighs. What's the weight you have to hit? It's a ratio of your height to weight.

So I'm not sure exactly how tall he is, but for me at 6'1, it's 240 pounds. He would make it. Can you pull up a Sean Ray competition height weight? I like that. The fact that there's a ratio of height to weight. I actually love that. That's very interesting. That they saw 5'6.

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and that who's this? Kevin LeVron, one of my favorite physics of all time. When you look at Kevin LeVron, go to the picture to the left right there, second row, first picture right there. That's you, sense this. Just click on it, just let's go to it and see, look at this guy.

It's ridiculous. Oh, it's a video, okay, go back to whatever it was on the, you have to go through, yeah, Okay, go back to whatever it was on the, you have to go through. Yeah, there you go. When you see Kevin's physique, what do you think about with Kevin's physique? Again, I mean, all these guys from this era

were, the guys who didn't win the Olympian this era, were just wrong time. You know, they're around some, a lot of great people. I think a lot of these guys, if you spread them over time, would have won Mr. Olympias in their own way, but they were all against some crazy competitors, and he had a great physique. And it's hard to compare a lot of these pictures,

because back then there was a little bit of a different look. There were some, I mean, in this era, they were still just at lean. Cameras were a little different. Sometimes you watch the old videos that are a little grainy, and it makes them look more grainy. It's hard to compare now with 4K cameras and everything is a lot different.

But he was one of the guys who looked amazing and this was I think peak open size. Ham right here. Like this, when his era around now. Why is he what you're saying? If like open had stopped around that cap rather than keep pushing those limits. So this was the peak of the body building open era

from a store limpia. Yeah, and it's difficult because someone like Ronnie Coleman came around and he could hold 300 pounds and still look aesthetic as he was a... He's a one-to-one, you know? Got to keep going. Go to the next one, Rob. Sergio...

Are these some of the guys that maybe, you know, when you see a Sergio, his son is now competing as well. Yep. And he's got a great physique as well. What do you think about Sergio's physique? I mean, also a great physique. I think this was back in the era when they were a little bit less dry and a little bit less lean,

which I know a lot of people also liked. A little bit healthier as well, but everything progresses, every sport you see continuously progresses. So it's hard to say that anyone would still appreciate looking at someone who's not quite as lean, but amazing physique. He had one of the smallest waist to arm ratios that anyone would still appreciate looking at someone who's not quite as lean, but amazing physique. He had one of the smallest waist to arm ratios that anyone's ever had.

One of the smallest waist to arm ratios. Wow. He had. Yeah, I mean, but just look at his eyes. He looks like a king. He looks like, listen, I belong up here. Go to the next one, whoever we have next. Hathi, we have obviously there's better pictures of Hathi.

He's another guy that's loved as well. You talk to guys about Hathi, they have nothing but good things to say about him. What do you think about Hathi? I think Hathi's wanted how many times, not two or three times, the open. I think he only wanted once. Did he?

He wanted last year. And then Derek beat him this year. Oh, that's right,, yes, you're right. He only wanted once. Yeah. He only wanted once because he wanted before as the most of people's champion. People's champion.

Yeah. No, I love hotty and what I love about him is he trains like an absolute animal. This is why a lot of people love him. He's coached by honey and I went down to Texas at about three weeks out last year and we were training together and he, he doesn't speak English, he speaks Farsi.

Yeah. And he's also kind of deaf. So he's just kind of like he's very nonverbal communication and he's like makes fun of me teasing, cracking jokes and then it's like time to a set and he's just like serious. He puts two more plates on and honey's like you don't need to do that heavy. He's like just shake his head, puts another plate on it, just go to the wall, just an animal in the gym. So has Hadi forced you to learn how to speak farcey or not yet?

Like, farcey isn't that good yet? Okay, I thought maybe they taught me a few things when I was down there, but I can't say. And I can't say that out of there. That's for sure. There's typically one that they say that has two letter K's in it, but they know what I'm talking about.

Go to the next one. I'm not gonna say, this is to me, this is to me. That's the thing about this physique. Like this is. Yeah. I mean, you're going to keep pulling up. I'm assuming some of the grace of all time. And the reason we're looking at their pictures is because they were the best of all time. Yes. Serge. Serge of brain. Just like it was something about Serge's physique. When you look at this, like like, yeah, from shoulders to chest, like, do his waist. Yeah. That's ridiculous. When they have that waist, that looks like it's like pinched.

Like, yeah, yeah. But that's what you guys do. Yeah. When I look at the physique of, I put you guys in the same community, because that's the body, right? That's like the God-like body you want to recognize, where, you know, it just, it looks,

it almost, the body you look at that you appreciate, it's almost something you're never gonna achieve. It has to be the word unbelievable, right? It's not like believable. And some of it has to be not duplicatable because bodybuilding is not about being duplicated. It's about having great genes. Like, somebody can do all the steroids in the world.

Did you're never gonna look like that? This is not something that you're gonna have. The genes factor comes with it as well. Keep going, Rob. Which is funny, because they call classic music sometimes more attainable. When realist, it's kind of like the more genetic freaks out there who just have the look you can't work with.

They call classic more attainable. Yeah. Because it's, you know, 300 pounds versus 220 pounds. It's just the only thing I would say with classic physique to me is it it's just gonna get the right audience wanting to come in and see it more. And then you can have the other side for the biggest freak that if somebody wants to have that.

But even flex, they call this one the greatest pictures of bodybuilding ever taken. Maybe if not de-gradous picture. This is, it just doesn't make any sense when you look at this picture with this guy. His body. He used to do training with Mike Matar also on ESPN. Have you had any interaction with Flex? I have.

He still comes around the show a lot. I've spoken to him. Yeah. I've definitely one of the physiques. So I looked at him. I was like, this is it. Who are your top five physiques? Like, who do you think about when you're like,

your top five do you have a list? I don't have a concrete list, but when I was a young guy, I really like Barry Dimae. Barry Dimae. Yeah, he was just, you know, an all American, like a looking dude who had a classic physique style. I would say in terms of like, un-entainable things, FlexWheeler was one of my favorite for sure.

He had the twisting back double by, I set up on his knees. That's one of the crazy things I've ever seen. But Barry D'Amey was a guy that I really like. Tristan Ziegov. Who else? Anybody else that's a random name? That's a random name. I like Bob Paris the way he posed. Yeah, he's a little bit smaller guy, but really good look too. Very like aesthetic.

Yeah, Bob Paris is for Ziegov. I took some inspiration from his posing routines and look too. Very like aesthetic. Yeah, Bob Harris is physique. I took some inspiration from his posing routines and stuff too. Were you a Gospari guy or, you know, I wasn't like a huge fan of it, but I definitely respected it. Okay. I liked it. Yeah. Who else? Who else would you put on that list? These are interesting names you're given. Harris, the mayor.

I mean, if you ask me the greatest of all time, I'd still say Ronnie Coleman. You put Ronnie as the goal. I think so, yeah. Not that that's where I would ever want to see the fit. I mean, like that is like that. Look at it, dude, his vein on his arm is bigger than my leg. And there was, there's a point where before he was at the beginning of his career, of his reign, the first like one to two, where I think he looked at the best before he put on a

next to like 20, 30 pounds or whatever. When he placed 16th, right? Is that kind of what you're saying? Or when he won? No, when he won still. And like the year before he won, just like at the beginning of his reign. So what year would that be?

That's a good question. Put Ronnie Coleman first, Mr. Olympia. Put Ronnie Coleman first, Mr. Olympia. First, Mr. Olympia, go to the picture to the right of that. Is that the one? No, he was on the left, he's younger. Yeah, look at that, he's younger. Look at his butt, dude, his biceps look like.

To me, they. Well, this guy when he placed 16th, he was my favorite physique. I would look at when I would buy muscle magazine and flex. Ridiculous. But when he placed 16, you're like, this guy looks insane. His biceps would build on top of each other and have layers on top of each other. There's something too that I always see

the bodybuilding community just loves and respects about someone who's no bullshit, just loves to train, no drama, no gossip, just like in the gym, kicking ass, leaves and does their own things, stays in their own lane. There's always people who come into the world of bodybuilding and people just love those people. Because you got it.

Guy like him, yeah. Not just a happy go lucky dude, just crazy. Hardest fucking the gym. Yeah, people just love it. I remember when I interviewed him, I said, Ronnie, have you ever gone to a fight in your life? Never.

And so you ever had a fist fight? Never. You've never had a fist fight. Never. I mean, if you look at the guy, you're not gonna want to fight him. And then I said, you have a punch somebody in the face. I've never punched anybody. I said, not even as a cop. Never. Well, I did. I'm a classic story. Yeah, it's a cop, yeah, baby, but not. So click on that one right there,

wrap to the right that shows all the years. Well, no, what you just had right there. Yeah, click on the bigger one. See if it does. Is it a video or... So let's see this one here. This is kind of transition from 98, 2000. Look at 01. Wow. Look at that 01 picture, Vinny. Geez. Yeah, so you put them at the top, bro.

Do you have any of the pictures of Chris and Arnold right next to each other? This is the main one that everybody compares. Look at those physics. Go to the next one Rob. Look at that, look at that. Look at this, they're making the way stuff.

Chris, that just, you keep going. Keep going. And Chris, that's just 24 hours. You just, everything you eat, everything, everything has to be methodical. You can't even slip up at all. Yeah, I mean, every single year, I've competed it, it's gotten more and more locked in and you see, you can see, keep seeing results, you know, it's no joke. This year, especially because I have a lot more going on now with the businesses and travel and just life. I started to realize I was kind of overexpending myself on too

many avenues and, you know, if you want to be the top one percent and anything, you can't be the one percent and the next thing next to it, it's gotta be one. So this year at like 10 weeks out, I had been traveling too much, I was a little too stressed, my body wasn't feeling too hot, I was in Canada, and I wasn't sleeping, I was overthinking and too much stuff on my mind,

and my body was in a high state of stress, and I tore my lat, lost a bunch of weight, all this shit was going on, and I came home and I was like, you're Mr. Olympia, like, you can't do this by being a business owner and doing travel and all this shit. You have to just be Mr. Olympia right now. And I shut everything else out, I told my partners,

I'm gonna take over the business and everything, because I gotta do this. And I just, everything was sleep at nine o'clock at the same day, wake up, do cardio at the same time, eat, nap, train at the same time, everything was just perfectly regimented for the entire prep. Chris, and this is when you went from 262 to 250, lost 12 pounds. Yeah.

And you had to say, while thing wouldn't happen in that world because psychologically, you're like, wait a minute, what is this all about? It's a tough moment you go through by yourself. And it's not like you're playing basketball or football, they have a teammate to rely on to come through that because you're off. No, you are your teammate. You are the guy that everybody's looking at. The pressure is a different pressure. Go ahead, man.

Well, I just realized that we're, we look like hitmen for LaMafia because we're both around black. That's how we make our money. That's how we roll. That's how we roll. So, Chris, seeing what, like a lot of these ex-Mr. Olympia's, like, health wise, have to deal with after, like, Ronnie Coleman's back, I feel, I've followed his whole career, I've felt really bad,

because, you know, I saw him like in a wheelchair and his back was messes up to Arnold, and his heart, and all, you know, and a bunch of other athletes, but does that scare you at all, all the strain that you're putting on your body now? I know because you spoke about this before on podcasts, that you have an autoimmune disease with your kidneys.

Yeah. Correct. And now that you have, that's one question. And then now, I mean, you have, we just mentioned that you have a kid. Congratulations coming. Thank you. Do you know if it's a boy or a girl yet?

I do, but my wife is. You know, I'm like, I'm like, when I say, you're gonna say, but like, is it worth it? Chris, because I don't know how many more you wanna keep going for. You know it's stressful. You know it's, it tolling on your body. You know what the future, if you keep going holds, is it still worth it? Because right now you could comfortably stop

with your businesses, with your name, you're crushing it, and good for you. Is it worth it? Then now you could leave comfortable or you're going to just keep going because that's your dream, that's your vision, and that's what you want to do. I mean, it's definitely a consistent question I ask myself every year and I've been very verbal that I take it one year at a time. You know, there's going to be a moment where I don't want to. And when you were asking me initially, what was that initial like flip where I started to go all in on bodybuilding?

And initially it was 2017 when I came to second Olympia, but then it was 2018 when I got sick. And I found out I have not a immune disease. And I was in the hospital for like a week in the middle of prep and I came out of that and I didn't know if I'd be able to compete again. I didn't know if it would be my last year competing. I didn't know what was gonna happen.

And that's when like I really was like fuck, like my health could be an issue here. And luckily with unrelated to bodybuilding it was something that I had had prior to me when I was born with, it had hit me when I was young and I didn't know what it was. But coming out of that, I was like, fuck, I could have lost it all right now.

This is serious. Not only am I grateful that I still have the opportunity to do this and I'm on borrowed time, so I better give it my all, but I better be a lot more cautious of my health. So I started to do a lot more blood work, a lot more check-ins with my doctors, a lot more started producing the amount of drugs

I would take, because I knew I could push my work harder rather than just drugs. Focus on what I eat, my inflammation, all these little things, and it's drugs I would take, because I knew I could push my work harder rather than just drugs, focus on what I ate, my inflammation, all these little things, and it's something I focused on, and it's also something where I knew I wouldn't have a 10, 15 year career, as much as I would love to keep going, because I know I could keep getting better and do this for 10 Olympia, so it's not my dream.

It's not your dream. To have 10 or 15? No, I've always told people it won't be forever. I still don't know how many it's gonna be. Right now, I'm like, I've been getting healthier over the years, not getting worse. So that's a huge sign for me that I'm still going in the right direction.

My physique is still getting better. I know I still have more in me. So I still take time after the Olympia. I do my blood work, I do my check-in, and I just kind of check in with myself, see how motivated I am to keep pushing and how my health is doing, and then I make my decision

am I gonna do another one? Why do it? Why keep doing it, though? Because the more you do it, are you getting more sponsorship money and are you seeing money coming from elsewhere increasing? Like you know what I'm saying? Is there a correlation between five Mr. Olympias and we made $16.2 million in the last 12 months? And on the fourth one, we were at $12.3 million.

And on the third one, we were at $6.7 million. And on the second one, we were at $2.1 million. And on the first one, we were at $380,000. Is there a correlation with you more winning and more income and revenue coming in or not yet? I think in the first three to four, there definitely was. And whether or not that was also just time, you know, increasing at the same time. But now we actually just had this question

asked us the other day, if we thought that me winning the Olympia has a big spike on the business. And our answer was no. You know, we've established a business to be bigger than myself now, which was always a goal. And I don't think it is anymore. And I obviously don't compete for the $50,000 chest. That's exactly what it would be here.

So it's all, and the reason I've never really pushed into caring about that check is because it's never why I've done it. And even if it was $400,000, I don't want $400,000. My goals monetarily are bigger than that. My businesses are always wanting to be bigger than that. I've never competed for that. When I compete, it's for the legacy that I can build

that I'm proud of. It's for the challenges that I know. You you know when you push yourself through something very difficult That's how you learn about your true self you undercover new levels that you can reach new parts of yourself You didn't know about and then when I'm at shows and I have moments of you know after my speech that I can give talking about hardships I've gone through when people can relate to me talking about the stressful moment to me lose a much much weight, tearing my lap, wanting to quit all these things and not quitting. I have kids from 12 years old up to 30s or 40s coming up to me and these kids could write me a letter and they'll do something very personal.

This is for Christopher, not Seabum. Because they know I don't, Seabum's not me, I'm Christopher. I've always stayed true to myself. And they'll be crying, tell me about how I've helped them and how my journey and my stories motivate them. And that was never my intention. But just by going through this, I know I'm helping these people push themselves and trying to create better versions of themselves

as well. So while it's increasing me to be a better person, making people around me a better person, that's really what drives me consistently to keep doing this and what I love so much about body building and the journey and the suffering that you go through to excel yourself as a man so much more than a bodybuilder. That's really what drives me now. And like I said, I think I have, like, I could probably win 10 Olympias if I wanted to, but

I'm going to pull earlier than that because of these reasons, what's worth it? What's a bigger regret I'm going to have in the future? Having 10 Olympias or being sick? Obviously, I'd rather have my health. That's why I'm asking a question, because that's why I said, you're loved and liked and admired. It's not, it's very hard to have all those three, very, because you can act and have all those three. The only way can have all those three is to be all those three

and you are all those three. So it's not a, hey, Christopher, what's the 17 steps to be loved like and admired? You can't do it. It's genetic. Yeah. Part of it is your personality. Like your DNA. That's it. It's a part of it that you're...

So, but let's go back to that. So, Michael wanted to be the goat. So, when he stepped away at three, you know, and we've all heard the stories, you know, last dance, it was at his father, the David Stern say, step away for a year and a half. Then he comes back, but he stepped away from the game and he wanna go do baseball because, you know,

his original love was baseball. And then he comes back and was three more. But Michael wanted to be the goat. Like he wanted to be magic hat five. I'm gonna have six. It was one of those things, right? Brady comes, which we, I was with Brady what, a couple months ago, we had him at the event.

And I said, you know, the seven was seven because you wanted one more than Bella check or one more than Michael, because Michael's got six championships and Bella check and him won six together. So did he want to win a seventh to say, I've done one more than two? Now, obviously, publicly, you may not reveal

the true internal motives and drives to anybody else. You're like, yeah, you know, no, it wasn't the reason, but you know what, you know, I just kind of wanted to test myself. That's like the right answer to give. And then there's the answer of, no, I wanted to give him the middle finger and tell him, I can win without bill and I can win one more than Michael.

And people got to stop saying that guys to Jordan of the industry. No, they got to start saying that guys, the Brady of the industry. Do you relate more to a Michael and a Brady when you buy yourself or do you relate more to a Barry Sanders, a Calvin Johnson, some of these guys that left the game, I don't know if you know who Calvin Johnson is or who Barry Sanders is. And who Barry, not Calvin. Calvin Johnson Megatron. No, 81 for the Lions.

The guy was a, and by the way, one of the greatest physics in NFL ever. Both of these guys just put NFL, yeah, Calvin Johnson was one of the greatest receivers ever. And they retired early and they stepped away from the game And whenever anybody would ask the question say Barry, why'd you leave so early? Yeah, I just left early Yeah, if you would have kept you would have been past Emmett's made everybody know that I don't know that's not what I'm doing the game for So which of those two do you more relate to the crazy guys like the Jordan's and the Brady's or the guys that are doing it because they like it and I won't point if they stepped away and they didn't beat anybody else, they're totally cool with it. It's funny because when I started my

career and I mean it's impossible not to watch Michael Jordan and just feel fire burning in your heart. Everybody. No matter who you are, you go back. Yeah. He's like, that's why he, you say you're the Jordan of your industry. But when I was younger, he was a guy I looked up to. I read Relentless by Tim Grover, the last dance came up, middle of my career. A lot of these things going on, I was like, fuck, kill everyone, like, fuck the competition. I want to beat this guy, hold the grudge,

like all that stuff. I felt that and I was like, hell yeah. And then I started to kind of like think about that and it didn't line up with me. I read it and it lightened me, but it didn't line up with who I was and what I wanted to be I wasn't so much of I want to sacrifice my whole life to do this It was like no, I actually realized that I still get more joy from the relationships with my parents and my wife And I like being friends with people and being friendly

I'm light more lighthearted than that. I'm not the aggressive guy's gonna kill you I'm just gonna show up and do my best and I'll try and bring everybody else around me up too. And I really realized that through part of my career. And that was when I realized that it wasn't. My goals weren't external to be the best compared to someone else. It wasn't the best to be in 20 years from now. And someone else is trying to win back. No, you can't beat me because I had eight and you can only get five.

It was truly... That does nothing for you. No. Okay. I can't say nothing. Everyone likes that a little bit. You know, I love the fact that I'm the champ right now and what comes with that. But what drives me more is truly being the best man I can be and knowing that will lead

to being the best father I can be. And that was all I've always been verbal about that. Number one thing I've always wanted to be in my life with a dad. And if being 10 times Mr. Lumpier would take away from me being dad, fuck 10 times Mr. Lumpier. That's not what I care about. That's true. That's kind of what I figured. That's kind of what I figured with. So if that's the case, I'm going to play the role of a manager and agent here, what

I mean one. And I don't benefit from you doing anything. Okay, I don't make money off you. I don't get anything from you, but I like you a lot, right? Just like a, from a fan perspective, just seeing a guy, I'm like, I just like this guy. You know how certain people you like, you just want to see that guy get whatever they want, and you'd root for them, you give that vibe, okay? And if that's the case, and you have your baby that's due here soon in 2024.

You don't relate to Michael, your February second baby, Michael's of February 17th, both of you guys are February babies. I don't know if you know this or not, you guys are a couple weeks apart. So, all right, so no, that's not me, I read Relentless and part of me goes,

I'm like, no, that's not really me, if I have to choose between winning 10 and son, the hell with it, I would much rather choose this. So if that's the case, and there's no correlation between you winning a six, or seventh, or an eighth, or ninth, or tenth, or any of that stuff, wouldn't it make more sense for you today to step away from the game and shock the hell out of the entire industry at a young age and start a supplement company, which you already, you know, of course that's already taking place, but take that to hold it from level and encourage to you, hey, yeah,

you can have a good physique and all this other stuff, but there's more important things in life than winning 10 more. And forever you're gonna be the mythical figure that if that guy would have gone, he could have potentially won double digit because Because what's the difference between five and six or seven? Nothing. The only other number that matters, you know what's the other number that matters. It's nine. So are you, are you, you want to go get nine? I don't really give a shit if I go get nine. And then the question that becomes, do I risk going another four,

and what if I want to have two kids, three kids, four kids? I don't know how many kids you want. You're young. You can have 10 kids if you want, right? So more like that, 10 kids and 10 Olympias. Yeah. You'd more rather, you'd much rather have 10 kids

than 10 Missouroli. Yes, probably. Okay, great. Me too, I'd much rather have 20 kids. I've had a my way. I'd have, you know, as many kids as possible. But does that ever cross your mind where you're like, if there's no difference between

five, six, seven, eight, the only thing that matters is nine. And even some of the people are, they're going to say, we have never won an open anyways. It's not like it's this. You've never won an open, you know, yeah, if you came up and you won an open, then you would shock the hell out of the industry if you won that run. Now you're really talking if you do that because now you're five time and you're leveled up. So now you become a different story of, you know, he's a middleweight champion. And he moved up to lightweight champion. And then he moved up to light heavyweight champion.

You know, you kind of going through that part, you know, does that at all cross your mind? It's crossed my mind for years, honestly. And it went up in a way because it's either nine or no other number really matter. Yeah, and it went up in a way because it's either nine or No other number really matter. Yeah, and that's what it's truly it's been for myself for the last couple of years And I know that and this year in the midst of my prep when I was going through that shit for a moment I have a therapist and I remember talking and she told me this after I was like I don't know if I can even get through this one like what I like I felt so shady

I've so down myself I was like I literally don't even know if I can get through this one. If this is even worth it right now, because I was just on a low spot and she was like, you know what, if you step away, you know your family, your wife, everyone close to you, will love you the same. Nothing will change other than the amount of trophies you have on your shelf. And you've always said that's not what you care about. And I really understood that and that relieved a lot of pressure from myself.

And then I was like, yeah, I'm not going to quit. You know, that's, I'm not still still not gonna give up on myself right now. It's not gonna meet in this low moment that I choose to quit. I'm gonna push through this. And as I did, I was like, the relief of that pressure of knowing I don't need to win for anything right now, but I'm choosing to purely for myself.

Big mindset. Huge difference. And the fact that I got through that and discovered that on my own, I was like, fuck yeah, I can keep going and I'm gonna kill this fifth Olympia and no one's gonna even talk about someone come to second to me.

And that's what I did. And also what I learned this year was very, and my relationship has progressed so much in this. And I was talking to some Navy SEALs actually, we had down DJ Shipley and Coldflack Larry, with that GBR group. They were down and we were talking about learning how to turn a dial back and forth

of when you're putting into one percent being bodybuilding, they were talking about going into performance performance they do and then coming back to their families. Are that? And I don't want to compare that to what they do because that's top that's top performance. But when me and my wife learned this year was she understood what I'm going through and how important this is to me and she understand that I am going to pull back from my relationship for a little bit and being the best relational husband I can be in order to be the best Mr. Olympia I can be. But she knows damn well it's going to be the best Mr. Olympia I can be. But she knows damn well it's going to be worth it.

I'm going to put everything in my out when I'm off and I'm away from her. I'm giving 110% and when I'm done I'm coming back to her. And I learned how to kind of turn that switch back in the Mr. Olympia mode and back in a relational mode. And that's I think one of the most important things to learn I imagine even you when you go to business mode and you're like, all right, we've got to do this, this, data projection, this, that, and then you come home and you got to be dad, you know, you got to play with your kid, that's a knob you have to learn how to switch, through not bringing work home onto them. So this is something now that bodybuilding has taught me

on how to turn that knob back and forth, that will make me a much better father. And then if I can manage that and balance things going on my life much better, and it's not taking away too much from everything I have going on right now, My kid will still be a baby next year. My wife still understands what I'm going through. She's also a miss Olympia from the past. So she gets it, you know? She goes with stuff. So there's all these things that are going through my mind.

And not only did I go through a hard part at the beginning of my prep, but end on such a high, but my relationship was strong throughout it. And I don't want to talk to any of these goats like MJ, Brady, any of these guys. A lot of them, I believe, sacrifice a lot of their family time and relationships to get there, you know? So I don't want to do that.

And I don't feel like I am right now. I don't feel like I'm pulling away from that for too long or too much, that it's actually hurting it long-term and chipping away at it. And I work very hard on that side rather than just being a bodybuilder, but also being the best relational man and I can be in other aspects of my life. And I know it's not hurting that right now. That's why I have these checks in place, where if I knew with my wife, it was literally hurting our relationship,

I would leave, I'd be done right now. If I had my health with decreasing, if I was doing my blood work, and I was getting sick every year, I'd be done right now. But I'm improving all these things. These things are all getting stronger. I'm happier than ever in my relationship.

My business is getting better. My health is getting better. Everything's still progressing and I'm still enjoying what I do and I still have that fire to keep pushing myself. So I'm like, why would I stop right now? You know? Are you religious, Chris? You got a church or not?

I'm not. Not at all. I'm crazy in Canada and I'm sure if I was somewhere else, you know, I might have been, but. So Canada just overall, just not a really big question. Where I'm from, it's not very religious Ottawa. Ottawa. Yeah. A lot of Canadians believe in the church of Justin Trudeau is what they believe in. Oh really?

JT? Yeah, the church of not a lot of they say. No, Justin Trudeau. I don't know if he is part of that camp but some of those guys some of those guys are but But on this topic, just to, because I wanna get my question answered, or maybe, you know, know where you're at. Is there, do you feel like, so you're committed to doing your six. Are you gonna go back for your six this year?

I don't make that decision, and this is why I've said this every year, some people know I'm not bullish in it. I don't make that decision until I'm ready to start ramping up again. Okay, got it. I haven't been training for a few weeks now people know I'm not bullish in it. I don't make that decision until I'm ready to start ramping up again. Okay, got it. I haven't been training for a few weeks now, and I'm just enjoying the fifth.

Are you interested? Is there like a next impossible thing for you to do? You know what I'm saying? Is there the next thing where you kind of need the next challenge? Do you think about that? Or no, it's just routine. You know, because there's certain, like, my dad, is an April 10 baby.

And the significance of it is what you and I talk about of pre-podcast. He's born April 10th. And my dad can do the same thing every day for 40 years. He's excited. It's my dad, okay. It's not everybody. Great skill, yeah.

Great skill, too. It's a scary skill, too. Because the enemy has intimidated the fact that you're still that excited. My dad is that guy. He'll just keep doing it, won't get bored. He's skill to it. Because the enemy has intimidated the fact that you're still that excited. My dad is that guy. He'll just keep doing it, won't get bored. He's good to go. Nobody can slump down.

He's 81 years old right now. In and out of hospital, he still goes. Can't stop him. Is there a next challenge where it's like, you know, babe, what I'm thinking about? What, what if we decide to shock the world this year? What's that? How do you, what do you think about if we made a run to go do XYZ?

Does that thought at all cross your mind to want to run in the open or no? That's not even a thought you ever think about. Safely crossed my mind and I've, I've joked about it and people always ask me about it. But I mean, to go back to when I started, I'm almost retired when I turned pro because I didn't want to be an open-body builder. A six-one, I'd have to be 300 pounds for a trial. You discovered that when you were trying to beat two. That's when I stepped away by the way.

Yeah, crazy. It's tough. So then when classic VD came out, I was like, here's my chance to keep going. Let's go all in on this. And when I talk about how my health has been progressing, it's because of all the little things I've taken away from and added and changed to focus on that outside of just being huge. And I think to go in the open, I would have to mitigate those things that

I've put in for my health checks. And I'm not really nervous that. So if I ever competed, it would be a similar look to these pictures I would look now, but maybe a little bit fuller, let's lean just so I was a little bit heavier, but I wouldn't want to push myself to that. And I also don't like the idea of competing to not be as competitive as possible. So it would be hard for me to go in the open knowing I could be doing more, to be more competitive and not doing it.

So that's challenging for me. So it's on my mind, it would be fun, absolutely, but it's not really in the cards right now. And I figured that's kind of where you would be at because when I sit there and I think about it from the standpoint of, you know, what it would do to get a six, seven, eight, it's really the ninth that would matter. So which means you got to take it one year at a time and you can't let the media and whoever these are knowing people that ask the stupid questions, the tough questions. I don't know any of these guys, but some

people tend to ask these crazy questions that get you thinking. You're questions. I don't know any of these guys, but some people tend to ask these crazy questions that get you thinking. You're like, I don't want that pressure. I'm doing whatever I'm doing, talking to my family, my wife, my friends, my mentors, my peers. And that's the route I'm gonna take. But I think I'm like, you know,

if a Chris gave the same thing he's giving right now to Mr. Olympia, classic physique, what if he did that to his business? At this time, how much can he scale that to? Because you saw what Bill Phillips did with muscle media sold it, got 100 million dollars, cut 100 million dollars. You saw what that was EIS back in the days and how that supplement took off.

And you're seeing right now drink and all these things. Do you really need Mr. Olympure to get to 30 million followers? I mean, you'll post something on Instagram, you'll get a million likes and a heart piece. I'm like, you're getting a million likes. I'm like, oh my God, it's got a million likes. To you, it's just like a regular Tuesday when you post something.

You really, your audience is like fully behind you, right? And how do you monetize that? Because all that's gonna do is that's just gonna make your children, wealth, your generationally, make the bump-step legacy bigger in the future and there's timing in that. And there's a storytelling in that. That's the only reason I asked the question to say, what is the next challenge? If the challenge isn't to go to the next level, which I would not at all recommend doing as a friend. I would say, don't even, I wouldn't waste my time with that. Then what is the next challenge? I don't think

nine is the challenge. I think the challenge will be there's a massive opportunity to change the game today. And to be able to influence and change the game, you have to have loyalty and audience. You have to be liked where you can persuade. You have to be transparent, vulnerable. You know, check, check, check, and you have to do it when you're peaking, winning, and you leave people behind, you're kind of like, oh, Michael, why did you step away after the six?

You could have won a seven or so. It's like that feeling. That's why I asked the question to see what the next big challenge is for a guy like you. And obviously winning the open is not on that list. No, yeah, and I mean, there's definitely more I can put into business and right now I have the best partners ever

and the reason our businesses are doing so hot right now, or because of my partners who can handle the back end of business when I need to step away for bodybuilding. There's definitely more we can tap into, but when I talk with my wife about the next step and what really drives me right now, I reflect back on the thing that light up my heart the most right now, the little things that come in. It's the inspiration, it's the help I give, like the younger generation, the kids I hear, the stories I get, the letters I get, all this shit. There's nothing I, like, it brings tears to my eyes now

when I read these things. And I'm like, there's something in that, that is my next challenge. I know that, like I'm not religious, based off of pure religion, but I have spiritual beliefs, I believe in the higher power, and I have like beliefs in the world. And there's something in that realm that higher power, and I have beliefs in the world. And there's something in that realm that calls me,

and I know that to give back. Bodybuilding is a very selfish thing. It starts very selfish. It's just, I want to be big. And then it begins a bit more. I can bring up my family and my friends and my community. And then there's some aspect that calls me to be able to give back more, because I've been given so much.

I've been so blessed. Like, when I tell you what I thought I was going to be done in bodybuilding when I got sick, everything else has just been bonus. And I'm so given so much. I've been so blessed. Like when I tell you what I thought I was gonna be done bodybuilding when I got sick, everything else has just been bonus. And I'm so grateful for it. And I just want to be able to give back some of those feelings that I've had to others. And the next challenge is gonna be figuring out

how and in executing on that. Well, you're 28, bro. You got plenty. You're a year in 45, right? An old fart, you know, you're 28 you got you got a lot of Are you saying I'm an old fart? You know 45 both of my back hurts this whole podcast my back has been hurting I just want you to I'm gonna sell that out this guy's 28 with I know he's ridiculous

He's like how we are yeah, like Michael one is first how old was Michael when you 31? 30 one years I don't know how old he was. He 30 or 31 he won his first. This is 2080, it's on his fifth, which is pretty well. Okay, so Chris, I don't know if you know Pat Second but came out, choose your enemies wisely. I personally, when I heard that, when I heard him writing, because since I've been here a year and a half, I've been here and choose your enemies.

And I thought, that's a bad thing. I'm like, why would you want enemies? But then I realized, you know what I mean? Especially like in our job, entertain, enemy, people are going to think you're all searching for these people. But I realize that you need these people to help motivate you. I literally just finished listening to his book. I can't read because I have ADD and everything.

But do you have any enemies? Do you have anybody that drive you to keep going? That you have these people or these organizations in your mind that push you, that drive you to keep going that you have that like these people or these organizations in your mind that push you that drive you competitively embodied building or in general all around business competitive competing personal people that bullied you like anything that makes you go I'm gonna I'm taking this shit to prove to these people to prove to that person to to push you Not in any huge aspects. No, I mean, you know, it's always fun to have a rival in competitive aspects. And when I started, and I was coming second

two years in a row, it was Brianna Anzli, the guy who beat me two years in a row. And we were the only true people I've ever competed against that really had that rivalry, where we were kind of like, you know, smile and shake hands, but I knew he'd turn his back and he'd be like, he took my fucking champion, fuck that guy. And I respected him for it.

You should think that. You should think. Of course. You shouldn't, like, make me come to see all your shit. Yeah. And then he retired last year, and it was like, it was the coolest moment ever, because it was literally like, you cut a chord between us.

He was retired and he was done, and we were just like, hugged him. We were on stage, actually. And he knew I won, and I get my hug and I was like, thank you man. Like you really like you pushed me back when I was second. Thank you for this challenge and this rivalry because when you compete there's a few things more fun than having a rival and kicking his ass.

Yeah. And he let that up in me. But since then honestly, no one really has that fire to come up and kill me and like, I'm super nice to everyone backstage because I know I'm gonna kick their ass You know, I'll shake their hand guys come back and they ask me for selfies I don't forget and all men stage with me and they're like hey, can I get a picture with you before we go on there? I'm like, yeah sure man like come on And I know damn mother not gonna beat me, you know, of course if you're gonna beat me or not

Ask me for a picture. You don't know you're gonna fucking glare at me across the room Of course, that's the only way you're gonna beat me. So none of these guys are there yet, which is fun, but I have no rivalries anymore right now. The sky would come second, amazing bodybuilder. Brazil. Brazil Ramon, absolutely amazing great guy. He's speaking English. How big are his forums about him?

He was stupid. He has big as it looks. If we see him inside each other in a t-shirt, you're back, that guy's winning. Paul Ramon has. No, this guy's great. It's great. That's the first thing that to me, I'm like,

that just doesn't mean how tall is this guy? I think he's 5'11. Okay, so he's tall. He's pretty tall. Yeah. Yeah, but that picture doesn't do justice to. You got to go a little closer when he's like, I'm not posing to see what those storms.

Those storms. No, that doesn't do just, he, you know, right there, look at that. Yeah, that shows it. Oh my God. What? His arms are huge. His forearms are the same size as his bicep. to do just, right there, look at it. Yeah, that shows it. Oh my God, did you just, what? His arms are huge. His forearms are the same size as his bicep.

He's like 15, 20 pounds lighter than me, I think, on stage, but his arms are way bigger. So, but I see you, when you see him, I still see the way you look at him. I see how you look at him. You look at him like, you know you're not beating me. Like, you almost look at him like, like, nice to see you, but I see that the look is

with the smile and the smirk, like you see from pump and iron where, you know, Arnold was toying with Lou and saying, Lou, you're six months out, you know what I mean? You're good, but if you only had three or six months, you may have had a chance and the dad correct him. He says, now he needs three or six months and he's having, you've seen that scene.

Oh, what is the model of the whole family? Yeah. He's an egg. I see you. I see you to see that. That's the part where I think there, like even right now, the psycho competitor came out for split second. There's no way you're going to win five.

There's a part about competition also is to make your opponent think you're not that competitive, right? There's different style of competition. Part about competition also is to make your opponent think you're not that competitive. There's different style of competition. There's side of competition that's just like to to height, which is how Dory and Yates did it. Everybody hated competing in story because everybody would compete in two, three, four competitions throughout the year. Dory would only do one.

And they would be so pissed. And he would never party. He would never go out. and he would go back to London UK wherever he was at and this guy hung out with gangsters Yeah, and then he would come out like freaking a disguise back. How did I am I gonna be that stupid? But your style comes across as I'm just a nice guy, you know, it's who I am and deep down inside you're like a I'm just a nice guy, you know, it's who I am and deep down inside, you're like a assassin, but you hide it well.

So there's an assassin there that you do not reveal except when it comes down to Winner, you give them that look to say, you're excited about being second place because that's exactly what you're going to be. That's what you're fighting for. Do you feel that way, do you? For sure, yeah, you know, and it's definitely an aspect of my personality. It's just like the smile, befriend with everyone, but they don't have it, you know? And they, and they, I think they all, they seem to all know it, because they're all friendly

and they all love it too, and they're all great guys. It's difficult when you have such great guys you compete against, but it's definitely fun. And I do the same aspect of Doreen. You know, I only compete once a year. And I'll talk to them. Second place, third place I'm friends with, some Ramon and Eris, I'll go up to them,

I'll be like, I know you wanna do the Arnold, I know you wanna win the Arnold, don't. I'm like, if you wanna chance to beat me, you need to take the next 12 months to beat me. But if you can start doing the Arnold and all this shit, I'm like, I'm recovering for three months, and then I'm training for nine. You are getting into another prep

and then recovering from that, and then doing, like, you're putting yourself behind when I'm already ahead of you. And I'll, I think you're telling them, just to run them that. Yeah, I have, but they're like, I wanna win the Arnold, how much does the Arnold pay when you win?

Is it also 50k's or less? I don't know, I've never done it. I think it's 50 or less, but I'm 100%. What's your relationship with Arnold? What kind of relationship do you guys have? Scares. Yeah, I've only spoken to him maybe twice, I think. Really?

Yeah, I've never really spoken much to him. Is that more from your end or his end? I think it's a bit of both. Okay. I've never attempted to communicate with him. He's never really tempted with me. We met once and he gave me a congratulations, shook my hand, said him. Congrats. And he just walked away.

Congrats, Chris. He's a little checked out from the industry. Now, you know, I think he's been kind of verbally. He's not a huge fan of the way the open's gone and stuff. He's more of a fan of the super critical day. Super critical. Yeah, for the whole stomach, the G.A. He's doing it to it.

Yeah. Which, by the way, I love that criticism that he's given. I love it that he's doing. I don't know who did he not give Arnold to and a two years later, he said, you got to fix the belly and then he finally gave it to him, and he won. I don't know who was. There was somebody. Will there be a Grammy? Big Grammy. gave it to him. He won. I don't know who was. There was somebody.

Well, they ran me. Big ran me. Was it Rami? It could have been Rami. I don't know who was. If it was Rami or if it was another pony tell, he's down here on Florida. Got a great physique as well. Fantastic.

Seek dancer. He was a great poser. Oh, Kai Green. Kai Green. Yeah. So I don't know who it was. But there was somebody. I remember it's like, hey, so I don't know who it was, but there was somebody I remember was like, hey, you got to do something about the stomach and then they did.

And then he went and picked it up. And so Arnold, then you know, is there anything of competitiveness between the two or not at all? Being compared by the marketplace, hey, who's got a better physique, all that stuff? I don't know. I haven't talked to him enough to really know. I'm not sure.

I'm not a huge fan personally, because of, I mean, I was always a fan of Arnold, but the moment COVID and everything hit and he was making those videos from home going, you know, screw you for you, them, that, dude, that, just that one simple thing took me from respecting him to where, especially with that accent, telling people to hell with your thing,

and which, if you don't mind Packers, I wanted to ask Chris, we touched on Trudeau. Dude, every single Canadian I talk to, zero. I have not heard one person be like, I really, really like Trudeau, from they were complaining about, you know, the increased homelessness, the poverty, the crime, the way he, way he basically dictated, especially with COVID, what he did with the

truckers, with the protesting. And I'm pretty sure, I want to know your thoughts on him and where the future of Canada is going. And also the second question, I'm pretty sure everybody's always like, Chris, and steroids and needles, did you, did you have to take the vaccine, were you in Canada where they were forcing it? Did you did you have to take the vaccine were you where you and Canada where they were forcing it? You know you talk about political answers. Yeah, I don't want to dive do deep into that political side of things Yeah, obviously and I don't think anyone in the whole country including myself the fan of the guy It's kind of what and what and what and what do they like how long till till is there a point where they're gonna be able to get rid of his Ass or he just it seems like he's been there forever.

I think it's similar to America where you can only be elected twice. So it's coming to an end soon. And I definitely have increasingly saw a shift of the whole country being like, fuck this guy, cutting, you know, and especially after COVID. And I even saw a shift in the morale of the country, you know, you go into stores after COVID, and it's shifting back a little bit now, but I mean, we were three years locked down in mass. Only allowed to go to grocery stores. People came out of that different. You know, large-scale people were heavily depressed,

even if they weren't feeling more depressed and they didn't know they were. They were definitely more anti-social. You go to grocery store, people don't say, how do you don't look at you anymore. You know, Florida, you walk around, people are just like, oh my God, look at your muscles, that's a boy. Like the people are just like,

trying to make out with you. It'll give a damn. No, you know, in Canada it's a lot more. I saw that shift of it being like, and Canadians are always known for being very politically correct and nice and shit. And I've heard more people than ever being like, fuck this guy.

Yeah dude. I can't imagine it's not gonna shift another way. And I'm hoping we can, they see a swing in the full realm of North America Back in the direction where people feel a little bit more Happy with the way the upper scale is going but just Yeah, you nailed it could just like the four and I get I get it I get what their entire plan was from I mean from the Wuhan and the old old situation Hmm, but the thing that you're talking about, people are, we're not gonna recover,

the children are not gonna recover from that little gap in time that just ruined them. I was watching a video pat. I know you would have been pissed off, and I'm pretty sure we've all seen it. It's of this little kid, maybe three years old, two years old. And the teacher is forcing this mask and the kid, the kid is crying hysterically and doesn't want it.

They're like, no, no, no, the damage has already been done. So like that, when you talk about that and I see that type of guy, 100% globalist, ruining the country and again, not one person I've heard, like even if you're here, we see these polls that come out. Yeah, that's the video right here. This poor kid is crying and the teacher is just in Canada. I don't know where this was. Oh, I'm thinking. But they're like, like, like, look at what we did

to our kid children. Yeah, it was a little bit. Poor kid. Are you saying this because you're suggesting the Stroll Olympia start forcing into our math? Where you're going? No, no, but can you stop this round? Yeah, but yeah, it's really pissing me off. So vaccine, everybody in Canada was basically forced to do it. Yeah, if you wanted to work or travel or anything you had to, yeah. We were checking at restaurants at the river. And now with all the heart diseases that are happening,

myocarditis is on the rise, cardiac arrest, there was a video I saw of a major or a captain in the United States Navy. He pulled out this sheet, 95% of his pilots are all having heart problems right now and there's gonna be zero accountability for what they for us on politically this there's this new guy in Canada who's like the lab here Marcel I believe I don't know if you know who he is or not who's going around here. I'll live airs Yeah, that's that's who this pair are livers who seems very Very interesting and Justin cannot stand this guy And that's a good sign, Pat.

No, no, this is a quality guy in Canada that a lot of people are pretty excited about to see what happened. My experience with Canadians has always been great. These are the, I love it. They drink cokeny, they're fun and they're good to be around. They're just chill. You know, it's just in the last few years, Justin made people look at Canadians in a different way. So, Canadians are like, I'm not that guy.

I'm just a Canadian, this one. I'm just a simple guy. And I don't know what he's done. Because now when you look at a Canadian, you're like, man, he must probably be like that, guys, well, a lot of them are leaving here. Florida's where it attracts a lot of Canadians anyways. But let's go back to the bodybuilding. I want to wrap up with a couple of the thoughts here before we finish up.

Okay. So, what's your relationship with steroids? Because for me, when I was first wanted to get into bodybuilding, I was talking to the sky in the gym who was taking steroids, and it says before you do anything, read the steroids Bible, this is 30 years ago, you know, there's a edition one, two, three, four, five and all the stuff. And then there's a couple other books that have been written about this. Back then, there was a video done with Mustro Olympia guys being interviewed with their faces was blurry.

And they're all answered as if you can't recognize who's who. You can even want to stop by that's Ronnie Gomez. Like, you can recognize his body more than they're facing. What are you guys doing hiding yourself? that's Ronnie Gomez, like, you can recognize his body more than they're facing. Yeah, I think that's all of it. What are you guys doing hiding yourself? We know who you are, but it was a way of saying, well, you know, the truth about steroids. And oh my God, yeah, we don't use them.

And everybody was uncomfortable talking about it. Right now, people are more open to say, here's what I've done, here's what I've done. What is the average person not know about steroids that they need to know? Everything, there's probably a lot to it. And I mean, this funny, I was doing a, I did a Q&A and do by the other week and some kids just literally, probably 17 asked me if he should get on steroids. And I'm like, no, like, first of all, I always tell people,

if you have to ask someone else, you shouldn't. And the side effects to it can vary so greatly, depending on the person, you just never know what you're going into. You know, you could do one cycle, and then your natural testosterone could be dumped for the rest of your life where you have to be on TOT forever. It can make you infertile, it can lead to more risk of heart disease, you know, increase of cholesterol, it can affect your liver,

your all your organs, it can be very damaging, especially when abused, which is typically people can get addicted, not addicted like a drug, but you get addicted to the result and how you feel, how you're looking on that stuff. So I definitely recommend anyone at a young age don't even begin to touch it. If your physique is still progressing,

don't even think about touching it. And if you're not thinking about doing this bodybuilding thing forever, then don't even think about touching it. It's because some people have an idea they want to compete. And I'm gonna do my first cycle in compete and then they compete and they hate bodybuilding.

Because it sucks. It's a lot shater than you think it is when you get into it, especially at a high level. And then now you've done this potentially long-term damage to your body just for a 12-week prep to try and compete. And you can't go back on it. It's just not worth it. So I just always tell kids, it's sad.

It's even to kids, but to wait as long as possible to even think about it. Make sure that your nutrition, your recovery, your training is all perfect and it's been perfect for years of the point where you hit your natural plateau where you can't really make progress anymore. And then entertain, what is it really worth it to you? Understand the risk is the risk worth it to you. Is it going to be a long-term thing? Are you building a career going to school? This is just like a side hobby and is that really worth risking your health, you know? How do you get yourself like if I want to learn, if I want to learn more, how do I start? Okay, because today if you're above 40 and you go see a, a, not a doctor, there's some

of these guys that you go to and hey, I'm a lifestyle doctor. Anytime you hear words like this, lifestyle, we can get you on TRT, peptides, all this other stuff. Let's see your blood levels. Let's see your blood test. Oh, okay, your testosterone levels only 320. You know, that's not good for your heart. And there's a book that came out called

the Ageless Man that anybody under they tested with rats. And if your testosterone levels below this, it's actually got an increased chance of a heart attack and all the stuff that came out. You know, you just learned a lot of people talk about this. And then they get you on TRT, right? So you need to get at this level. If somebody wants to learn more about steroids

to go and educate themselves, how should they start? It's definitely challenging. And I think the world of TRT is different than steroids the way I look at it. Stairras are a little more underground. They're higher doses, more compounds, more things going on. I think if you're over the age of 35 and you have low T, I think TRT is a great thing for you.

I think being able to have that energy and be healthy and burn body fat to have those capabilities healthier than taking a little bit of TRT. So learning it, it's hard. There's a bunch of people on the internet now who talk a lot of bullshit and a lot of people who are really good, so it's hard to differentiate that. But in any aspect, you can get shitty businesses advice, you can get good business advice. You have to do a lot of research and be smart enough to think for yourself.

You have to have people you trust who are maybe in the industry, maybe some doctors who are a little less mainstream and more progressive who can actually communicate to you about it, but also once you hear something from them, research it. Learn how to properly research, get back to articles, multiple sources, all this stuff. It's a difficult world out there with so much information, being able to understand anything, it all has a risk of being bullshit.

Yeah, a lot of doctors you talk to, they don't even know. You go to a doctor and say, what do you know about this? I don't know about it. it's not good for you. It's not this, it's not okay. And then, you know, the key then becomes, some people go to, they give you too much of it. They're like, no, here's what you got.

It's not going to do anything. You're going to be all right. So it's important who's counsel you take, because there's the extremes on both sides. One that is zero tolerance at all. I don't want to know nothing about it. And there's another side that is zero tolerance at all. I don't wanna know nothing about it. And there's another side that is extreme. The source becomes like,

who do I trust to go talk to where I can get this intel from? And is there a book or a website or an article or somewhere to go to where you start here and then go from there or no? No, really, no. Really? No, not that I would ever come across myself? No. Not that I would ever come across myself. Not the fact that you would ever come across yourself. How did you learn

about it? Like for even you to be a were derelict? Who did you? Like maybe not even a name, but was it yourself? Like, Hey, everybody's talking about this. What is anodrome 50? What is Deca? What are the compounds that do well together? Is when you're good for you? What's Winstrow? What's water based? What is Deca? What are the compounds that do well together? Is when you get for you? What's wind straw? What's water based? What's oil based? What's oil?

What's this? What's that? Like, how did you start learning about all this stuff? Or was it the fact that maybe you had somebody in your life that had already years of education where you had an edge because somebody could tell you, don't waste your time with this. Do this.

This is what this guy did. That's what these guys are using. Let's go research it. Let's start off with the blood. Is that what kind of, you had a little bit of insight? It was definitely a bit of both of that. I'm like, you know, and I've always been a relationship person and I'm building relationships

as like the biggest thing, progressing in anything, having people you can trust. So I had people who could trust who were helping me and they were always like minimum effective dose. Always. Start with the least possible and then go up from there. And then at a young age, I had to run in with my health issues and that's when I was like okay Well, like this didn't cause it but it could make it worse

So you hear things like trend and anodrome and all these things and these are the hardcore ones all right The hardcore usually means harder on your body as well. It works more probably harder on your body Stay away from those do the more this if you can get prescribed from a doctor It's probably more research and healthier. You're going to be doing higher doses than a doctor would, but minimum effective dose. Starts as small as possible and slowly increases. You don't need to throw the kitchen sink at it to start. You start small and slowly progress over time and change every other variable before that variable. If you can change, I've still been progressing my recovery, my recovery my nutrition my training everything has been getting better over the years

So that I can change all those variables and I haven't had to change the amount of service I take for the last five years It's decreased over my career really. Yeah, no, I mean muscle muscle maturity to the yeah, of course Yeah, you know, I've only been training for I've been training for like 14 years But it's not that long in the world of bodybuilding not No, only 28, and I'm still, my body's just staying the same weight, but I look more mature, more dense over time. So I don't need to be just like blasting shit to get huge. I'm fine tuning everything else, training harder, and I've been able to progress with my work ethic, you know?

And there's a lot more to say about that than there is just taking more drugs. Is there any website AI that you know, you can look at someone's physique and you put your physique there to say, you can actually have a physique that one day you could compete for Mistral Olympia. Is there anything like that that exists or no? I don't know. You know why I ask that question? The reason why I ask that question is because some people think they can't and and you can do you think you

can generally tell with a kid after he works out for about a year like you have the right physique that if we build it like you know the endo moon the mesomove the ectomorph all that stuff to say you could actually do something with this body here Do you know what I'm saying? Like you look at a 16 year kid like this kid's got something here with the body that it puts together Or you're like, no, I don't I disagree. I think I got to go five years to see if somebody's got it I would say there's I mean there's a scale to everything. Of course. There's the people with the worst genetics in the world

where you can imagine if they could train for a year and they can't even lose body fat, or it's very hard to, it's probably gonna be difficult for them or if they're 110 pounds. And yeah, but in the middle realm where most people lie, I would say it takes years to really see if you can, or not, because I've seen people who have trained for a long time and look good, and I'm like, you know, they're okay.

And then they start learning a little bit different. They find a new edge of how hard they can train and all of a sudden they're for the changes in a year more than it did the past three years. So it's everybody's so different. I just say that because you know, when you see Arnold, when he was at 1617, he hit the way his chest went. Yeah.

Stay out or you would look at you younger like looking the way you know, I would say at a Mr. Olympia level. Yeah. Then you can probably tell when they're young. Yeah. If you don't have like that first picture of me with that headband and that green shirt. Yeah, yeah. That's the one I was talking about.

I was in high school. Well, natural been training for a few years, you know, I'd just been learning how to eat. I was just eating a lot. I didn't know properly how to and obviously I had a hell of a amount of muscle on me for a high school student. Are there any supplements for you where you like to? These are some of the go-to supplements that I would, you know, spend some time researching and looking up more because back in the days, you know, it's very trendy, right?

Oh, creatin, oh, HMBO, V2G, oh, you know, CLIO, all this stuff. Is there anything where it's like these supplements, you know, what do you want to be a bodybuilder or not, your body may need some of this. This is what you want to look up. And as some of the ones, if you are a bodybuilder, you're competing. These are some of the go-to supplements. And maybe it's some of them that you sell yourself. Yeah, I mean, I always look at things that stay in the test of time, creatine monohydrate. It's the most basic, cheapest thing you can buy. It's been researched the most and it's been proven to work the most. And it absolutely does work. It's been researched the most and it's been proven to work the most and it absolutely does work

It's not gonna be like steroids where you get and change your life But it will help your recovery and your progress and you will get better from taking it and then based off that It's just nailing nutrition in my eyes, you know Pre-workout can help you have a harder workout get more vasodilation get a little more blood flow flooding of the muscles But it's not necessary. It just helps protein powder. I think, is a huge help because, if I'm having to get over 200 grams of protein in a day, it's hard to get that from food and expensive. A shake will help you get there. But it doesn't matter.

Everything else is just kind of bonuses that aren't really needed. And I've gone through Olympia, perhaps, where all I've taken was creating in protein. And then everything else was taken steroids, of course, but it was focused more on diet and nutrition. Got it. Got it. So, and this is me owning a supplement company being completely honest. Nutrition and how you eat is the most important thing. And any, I got this article here about superfoods. You know, sometimes superfoods are like,

hey, here's a, you know, let's say, very trendy topic. And so here we go, superfoods, you should be eating according to a dietitian, a US news and world report. Superfoods you should be eating according to a dietitian, US News and World Report. Superfoods are nutrients rich foods that can have positive effects on health due to their high level of fiber vitamins, minerals, antioxidants, and, you know, joe bower, a health and nutrition expert, defines superfoods as wholesome food that inherently has components that can improve health. And those foods are typically low on unhealthy ingredients like salt, sugar, and saturated fat. Some of the super foods, does it have a list that here what some of the super foods are

around? Or no? Diet rich and fruits, bunch of them, they're not going to go down. Are there any super foods like, hey, liver, is there heart, or is there any super food you say? These are some of the things that I have on my diet. Or no, it's just steak and fish and chicken. It's pretty simple.

It's all healthy stuff. I think fruits, I think whole foods. Eating as much variety of whole foods is the best thing that you can do single ingredient foods. If anybody changes their entire diet to single ingredient foods, you'd be healthier. The last process, shit, you eat the better.

Then you talk about like low testosterone and stuff going on right now. I think a lot of that is from processed foods, you know, having shitty crops, so a lot of the natural foods are even shitty over here. Microplastics and everything, all that stuff. I think that's really leading to low-test, off-road and men, and they've proven some of it has happened.

It's kind of like underage studies that people don't look at too much, but I think a lot of that comes from diet and lifestyle, and it's hard in America, and everybody said that in my experience for the first time myself this year, you go to Italy for 10 days and you eat whatever the fuck you want. You'll lose weight, you'll feel great, you'll have great energy. Oh shit. Look amazing. I literally was like getting leaner,

eating pasta and pizza all day. I was like, what the fuck? No, I came back from Italy. I was like, all right, I'm gonna get back on diet. And so I was eating on diet and felt like a little more in flame that didn't feel as good. I was like, there, and how many fat Italians do you see? Honestly, you go to Europe, when you go to Europe,

how many fat Italians, you don't see a lot of fat. You know, they're walking everywhere, we're all over the lifestyle, the walking, the food. Yeah, I'm so ill. But part of it is the processed food. I mean, there's this article here about eight major factors that cause low testosterone levels. One aging, okay, which makes sense.

Testosternaturally declines with age, starting in the 40s and significantly dropping at around 50, about 20% of men over 60 have levels that would qualify as low. Access weight, obesity is linked to low testosterone levels due to factors like leptin inhibiting, production, low testosterone can lead to reduced physical activity and weight gain, creating a vicious cycle. Okay, three, testicular problems, conditions affecting the testicles,

like undecended testicles or clean, that filter syndrome, what the hell is that? Rob, can you pull that up to see what that is? That was Google image that one, though. Yeah, don't do it. Ha, ha, ha. Ha, ha. The, uh, is where boys and men are born with an extra X chromosomes package of jeans found

in every sound of body. There are two types of chromosomes called the sex chromosome and determine the genetic sex of a baby. OK. Um, four, pituitary disorders issues with pituitary gland or can lower hormone levels potentially do to conditions like the count and syndrome, chronic health conditions, lack of sleep, diet, certain drugs and medication,

chemotherapy, substance abuse, and other drugs can disrupt testosterone production. What are other things that people do that lower testosterone levels? And what can they do naturally to increase their testosterone levels? I mean, a lot of the stuff that I hear is kind of taboo, kind of not proven yet, but I really do think that processed food in general does that. I think the pesticides we spray on our crops is kind of infecting a lot of our food that's really impossible to avoid.

I think microplastics and water and in our food and all of the way everything is just help can affect that as well. And I think going back to the way we do to do things in the past is the best way to do it. I think obesity is led from, like you said, less walking. People are just way less active now.

I think it's just depression as well can be it. I think that's a conversation that is endless, but having a community in the past, like a community that you spoke with and help and give back to walked around with, saw and spoke to every day rather than driving places, being on your phone and not talking to anyone, just affects your mood overall.

And my wife is huge on a lot of these natural things, so we really try and only drink water out of glass bottles I wouldn't let me drink this but like we have we have she would but she tries is we tried best We can't avoid plastic, you know like glass Tupperware. We have a big five gallon mountain valley thing That's all glass as well just avoiding as best as possible and some people say this is like crazy spirit like No, this is great. This is what crazy stuff, but I mean When you think about it logically it makes a lot sense. And there have been a lot of studies on it that people can look into themselves that haven't maybe got an attention they need

to, but there are probably a lot of people who don't want anyone to have the attention on these things. So it's hard to say. And I think going back to the way it's naturally things you can be pushing your body and training to different levels, I believe will help testosterone increase whether it's just be walking more. If you're very stagnant, having a little bit of walking, training, pushing high progressive overload and training weights naturally will can help bring up your testosterone a little bit.

The healthier you are, the more sleep you get. Sleep is huge, especially in growing teenagers. If you're on your phone all night, getting shitty sleep, eating processed foods, being stagnant, I believe it'll result in less testosterone as you age, whereas if you're getting a plus hours of sleep and eating healthy and training hard,

it's gonna help you a lot more. Chris, that's a cut you up. Go back, push. Can you put, are you staying on the top? Yeah, I was just gonna say about, because I know you've been following like Bill Gates has been buying up all this farmland. They're anti-meat, they're trying to push for a meatless society.

They're trying to tell us to eat bugs, which is another testosterone killing thing. I don't know if you've heard about it, Chris, and do you think that that's a concerted effort to make men, because we were talking about men in testosterone to make us weaker. Have you been hearing anything about this guy and how he's going towards zero meat?

Like you have to eat protein. I've definitely heard about it. I think all these diets that come in are a kind of bullshit and maybe that's why the whole vegan thing is pushing so hard. Some people, absolutely. Maybe you feel better eating less meat. Majority people I don't think do.

I think any of these fat diets are bullshit. If you feel better eating something, you feel better eating something. It's very dependent on the individual. And I think someone that goes back to our lineage, depending on where your history comes from, maybe you're better on a Mediterranean diet, eating more fish and stuff like that.

Pesca Terry and diets, I think are very healthy. But at the end of the day, what they are, they're eliminating shit. All these diets are eliminating more stuff. If you're vegan, you're eating a lot less of their shit. If you're pesca Terry and you're eating a lot less stuff. If you're carnivore, you're eating a lot less of their shit. If you're pescetarian, you're eating a lot less stuff. If you're carnivore, you're eating way less stuff. So of course, you're gonna lose weight

and feel better for a period of time. But you can also just eat less crap. Yes. You know? Can you go to the testosterone levels of people worldwide on what countries have the lowest and the highest? Have you seen this chart before? I haven't seen it.

It's really interesting. Rob just showed this to me yesterday. The right there, take a look at that. Zoom in a little bit. and the ice. Have you seen this chart before? I haven't seen it. It's really interesting. Rob just showed us to me yesterday, the, the, the, the, right there. Take a look at that. Zoom in a little bit. So from 1980, this is from what? Data from 62 to 84. Where are the, can you go to the other page you had with the numbers on the same slide?

If you go all the way up, I think they actually had the numbers of people. Uh, no, you showed us a number where what was actually, yeah, there you go, the right there. Testosterone level in US from 1960 to today. No, you showed us a number where what was actually, yeah, there you go, right there. Testosterone level in US from 1960 to today, okay? Zoom out a little bit because there's some other thing that shows what those colors are. Yeah, the sound's from the client, okay.

So look at 1960s, the average testosterone level for male was around 650, okay? Then we stayed at 650 till around 1980s, and then there was a sudden decline to 500 in 1995, and then we dropped to 450 in 2012, and now we're getting ready to go below 400. You know, and if you go through countries, go below to show the map that you had, yeah, keep going.

So this is in the States on who has a high testosterone level. It's interesting. You see who has a high swims got the lowest. Where is the lowest rock? So this is after 2007. West Coast testosterone level dropped. South Florida's kept it Virginia's kept it. So ladies, Virginia testosterone levels very high. Beverly Hills was the lowest. What? Did you see that? Beverly Hills was one of the lowest. If you keep going lower,

this is a very interesting data that's shown at testosterone levels. World regions now go lower. This is the one that shows. Is this showing America being high? America was shown high. then it got lower. Oh, correct. Current.

Got lower to between 450 to 499. That's. But we used to be 600, 700 years ago. You know, is this, you know, I don't know how much studying you've done with this testosterone level drop in. Is this also going back to what's changed? Lifestyle food? A lot of that stuff that you're kind also going back to what's changed lifestyle food, a lot of that stuff that you're kind of going back to.

Yeah, I mean, I haven't researched it. Obviously, I'm not a medical student of this aspect in this, but I think there's a lot of evidence that would say that. And I've seen firsthand a lot of people who have, who are eating unhealthy and living stressful lives who have low testosterone and they'll like talk to me and be like, try to hop on TRT or something. And I'm like, first of all, not going to tell you this advice, I'm not your doctor, but try this. You know, try sleepy more and remove some stress, create a proper routine, you know, like sleep better, eat better, cut this process food out of your diet.

And they have seen a natural increase coming up, nothing like from 200 to 1000, but it starts to, it starts to raise. And if you start that at a young age, I'm sure it will develop more effectively. You know, there's stuff you can, if you're zero to 18 living a very unhealthy lifestyle, that's kind of what sets your whole body up for the future, for your entire life.

So if you're able to do it from a young age, you're gonna be a lot better up. Here's another one for you, obesity. 42% Americans are living with obesity, okay? Axios, more than four and 10 US adults are obese. That's insane when you think about a number like that, by the way. With states in the South and Midwest showing some

of the highest prevalence, a new analysis that came in from North at the University of Chicago shows, obesity is associated with hypertension, cardiovascular disease, stroke, and other conditions that are among the leading causes of preventable premature death, but strategies of treating obesity are changing with doctors prescribing a new case of drugs

and record numbers despite questions about their long-term effects and hefty price tag. West Virginia, Mississippi, have high ESOB-CD rates at 51%. The District of Columbia had the lowest obesity rate, DC, 33 percent, followed by Colorado at 34 percent, obesity, disproportionately impacts black and Hispanic Americans, analysis shows. And then obesity rates amongst children is also higher. More than 17 percent of children,

zero to 17, are considered obese. And if you go even deeper in that, Medicaid covered the children, have a considerably higher obesity rate at 26% Medicaid covered children compared to 11.4% among children with private insurance alone. And it's even at a point right now where Oprah Winfrey, what was the story that came out about Oprah Winfrey with this new drug called the Oze, Ozempa?

They didn't say the actual name, but she's not finally shaming me. No, she's like, well, stop shaming her that she's taking it. Like now because she's 69 years old, she went from Oprah, and she showed a picture of what Oprah was like. Let me explain something to you guys.

If I was drunk and it was like, and I saw Oprah out, I would go for it. You would consider it. 100%. Because it's Oprah. Because it's Oprah out I would go for you would consider it 100% because it's Oprah. She's very good question. Just the soul. Technically. Yeah. It's not. But like look at dude. Are you kidding me? And she's 70 and in on the how old is she right now? About 69 years old. So she dropped 40 pounds. Apparently using this drug called ozempic and to the point which Chelsea Handler said that she took it as well,

saying her anti-aging doctor prescribed it to her unknowingly, however she stopped using a stating, I mean, irresponsible drug user, but I'm not gonna take diabetic drug. Tracy Morgan said that he's been taking it as a says, I went and got a prescription and I got ozempic and I am letting it go, Megan McCain is refusing to take it. She says it's horrifying, unfair, and disturbing,

don't rush me. But Rob, you have to set. You got to set, you got to set, 1500% what Rob? Did you have a woe's it? A poison center seen nearly 1500%, not 150. 1500% increase in calls related to injected weight loss drugs as people accidentally overdose. So that's not good. Maybe here's a question for you. What's more dangerous for your body? Take

it steroids to develop more muscles and increasing your testosterone or taking drugs like this ozempig that all of a sudden you're going to drop 40 pounds in a month. What's more dangerous for your body? I mean, there's no black or white answers to that. You know, if you're abusing steroids, it could be worse. If you're abusing ozempic, if you abuse anything, it could be worse. I don't like the idea of taking drugs like per weight loss, obviously, especially when it's something you can achieve without it.

And I do, I have seen plenty of people who have used this and they've used it, they've lost a lot of weight, and then they try and come off, and their appetite goes through the roof. They put all their weight back on because it suppresses your appetite, it makes it hard for you to eat, it makes've lost a lot of weight, and then they try and come off, and their appetite goes through the roof. They put all their weight back on, because it suppresses your appetite, it makes it hard for you to eat, it makes you almost a little nauseous,

so it's hard to eat, and then it regulates your blood sugar, so your body thinks it's getting enough nutrients in, but it often isn't, so people can be malnourished, under eating, having no appetite. Taking this, lose weight, feel great. And then when they stop,

the appetite comes back with the vengeance, and then they eat again and lose it, and they're like, fuck, I need to get back on that jug. Oh, God. If that's not a addiction, I don't know, fuck, I need to get back on that drug. Oh, God. If that's on a addiction, I don't know what is, you know? And then now they're addicted to this drug that was just discovered one year ago. Of course, testosterone has risk,

and it's just one year ago. A long time ago. I probably, probably a little over one year, but it's new. Yeah, very new. There definitely aren't 15 plus years of clinical trials on this on humans. Yeah, and it's not a diabetic drug.

Everybody out there, all these people right now, taking it are the clinical trials on this on humans. Yeah, and it's diabetic drugs. Everybody out there, all these people right now taking it are the clinical trials. You're right. And then next 10 to 15 years. Yeah, it's like, it's just like the vaccine. We don't know. And the science hasn't hit yet. And like steroids, a lot of people take it

without knowing the risk, and I think that is dangerous. And I don't want to compare them, say one better than the other, because I don't think you should take any drug without understanding the risk. But I don't think these people understand the risk. I bet you they go in and they say, you know, hey, take this, there's no side effects that we've found yet.

And people are like, okay, great. They don't care, bro, if you're gonna fix one thing, they don't give a shit about that after math, as long as they lose the weight. And it's great, yeah, do I have a cousin? My cousin is on this and you drastically lost weight. And how many of these people do you think are getting paid? How many think you're getting paid?

How many of these celebrities do you get paid? Of course. To talk about taking this off. Of course. That's a plug. An Oprah plug. I don't think she mentioned it. Chris, but I'm pretty sure, bro, that like everybody knows what they're, there's no secret.

Like new drug out. It's all Zempek. Everybody's taken in. But was that pick and Wigovie brought in 4.8 billion dollars of sales you ready in the third quarter What can you pull pull this up Rob in the third This that I just saw this on Forbes What I'm gonna send it to you click on the sling the article. Oh, that's one Let's stay under so was that pick and wagovie brought in 4.8 billion hours of sales during the third quarter

and the drugs account for 52% of novel nordisk's 23.6 billion dollars of total revenue through 2023's first nine months up from a 36% share during the same period. Wow. Click on that article, click on the article to see if there's any other data behind this. 4.8 billion in a quarter zoom in. So if this is this is 4.8 billion, it's more than just Oprah Winfrey taking it just so you know that there's a lot of, in order to have 75% of last 12 months, was in the case caused in real capitalization to balloon from 230 billion dollars last October to 430 billion dollars today.

Remarkably, the firm's market value is now larger than its home country of Denmark. Entire annual economic output. The company is now worth $430 billion. Wagovie is approved in the United States for weight management while Ozempic is formally approved for the type to diabetes, but it is often prescribed off label for weight loss. Go the lore. The nigga then in the UK or something too. You know what neck can you?

I think so. Zoom in a little bit more to see what says on that 100 of your stocks and what's on. Bank of American Alistair projects, American calorie consumption to do window as much as 3% by 2030, do to the rise of weight loss drugs and Package food and meat stocks are amid

Their worst loss streak since the turn of millennium. So that's why you were saying. It's making you not want to eat because it's thinking Making you think you're full Search what countries ozampic is band-in What countries ozampic is band-in? That country's ozempic is band-in? That's crazy that one product is worth more than the country's country's that I'm against. That's insane. Oh my God.

Countries that have imposed such bands, Austria, France, Greece, and Czech Republic, Portugal, Permanent of the Belgium, Slovakia, and Spain in turn. Is that export though? The drug. I think the export. Because of shortages. At least that likely make it impossible to export the drug. So it's not necessarily...

No, it's not banned. But the first ones are banned. The second ones make it impossible to export. So Austria, France, Greece and Czech is a ban. Very interesting. Very interesting on how it's going to affect 3% of the intake in food by 2030. Oh my. And they're seen as streak in the amount of food we're taking months in a row.

Again, I mean, this is a person like Oprah celebrities are taking like, dude, look how great this person looks and you get on and all of a sudden you're hitting all these effects to it. Interesting. Yeah, Ozenpik is a topic, something you're hearing a lot about in the last 12 months, I would say. Not something you've heard about before. It's more recent. Blue up here.

Yeah, remember that one drink you would drink and within 24 hours you could lose 15 pounds? This is like 20 years ago. Did you know about this? You'd lose 10 to 15 pounds with one. You'd go to your bathroom a lot? No, so you would, but you would go to a party. Hollywood was using this and it was super popular.

So let's just say you have, do you just have 12 hours? Boom. You drink it, 10, 15 pounds. You would be more ripped. Put ripped. And it was like shit the next day. Yeah, I don't know, I have a short,

but the party, you look great. Yeah, aside from you feeling like shit, but let me see what else I got here. Boom. Okay, final thoughts, Christopher, before we wrap up. What final thoughts do you have to the audience, people who are in your world, who follow you and those, maybe that world to follow you and those maybe that haven't followed you and other because on P.B.D. podcasts we've not had body

building. We've had it on the attainment but not on P.B.D. podcasts. On the attainment the audience would recognize it more. What final thoughts do you have for somebody that isn't a health business, isn't a body building? They want to get into possibly bodybuilding. What message do you have to those who are specifically in the health industry with aspirations that wanted to get to the next level? In the next level of fitness. I wanted to see if I can really compete and maybe do more with bodybuilding. What would you say to those guys? I mean, as is being successful in anything, it's about mitigating where you put your attention

and time and effort. If you're wanting to take something to the next level, you have to start pulling away from where you're putting energy anywhere else and putting it into where you want to be successful. And every time you do a little bit more in there, you'll become a little bit more successful. So you start to do that over time, and if you don't want to fully commit, just do a little bit. If you're wanting to get in the body, you can pull away from your social life, pull away from it and go into that. But also ask yourself, where do you want to be in 10 years?

Is what you're putting your energy into, getting you to where you want to be in 10 years? Or is it just resulting you to be happy right now in this moment and in 10 years, you're going to be like, am I great for them better at partying? Or would I have rather pulled away from that and put a little bit more discipline

into body building and see how work it have taken that? And the beautiful thing about fitness now is you don't even need to compete really to build something from it with social media and the amount of people with obesity problems right now. All you have to do is learn how the body works improve your own self and then start helping others and you can build a business or help others off that.

So there's a lot of avenues that can take it, but I think, you know, something I take away from seeing this is people are looking for the easy way out. Do I think that's gonna last long term in life? No. So what can you do to get ahead of those people? Take the hard way. Start working on yourself.

Put energy into the hard stuff. Be consistent, be disciplined, and you're gonna be ahead of most of the population right now. You know, if people are looking for an easy way out, all you gotta do is take the hard way and be resilient and you're ahead of most of the population. Or if you're a really lazy guy, and you don't wanna work out and stuff

and you're lazy as shit, just identify as trans, compete against women and beat the shit out of them. That's what else? I mean, that's what they're doing. They're just lazy as hell. You are so fun. That's what I'm saying, Chris. There's not been yet a male bodybuilder competing in FEMA.

Oh, there was actually something like that that didn't, but not at the Mistrolempion. No, none of that has happened. Yeah, I hope that I'm- Would they turn them away ifia. No, none of that has happened. Yeah, I hope they don't. Would they turn them away? I don't think Jake would. I got qualified. Yeah, I guess you're saying that.

Well, I'm saying is what if a guy slaps on some boobs and goes and could be through the women, they're not going to say no. I actually don't think Mr. Olympia brand would do that today. I don't think if they did, I don't, I don't think they know who their audiences. And I think they know who their audiences. And that's not their audience. By the way, way final thoughts this drink This is your bomb energy. Yeah, of course the crack it up about this

Yeah, I mean everyone at my office was drinking like three energy drinks a day I don't and now they were all like 200 300 milligrams of caffeine and they're all stemmed out and feelings sick after it And I was like let me make something a little bit lighter You know and I being healthy. I tried to be less caffeine, no food dies, nothing like that. So it's got 112 milligrams of caffeine, some cognizant in it for a nitropic. I like it.

I hope you kind of focus without being too jittery. Simple little can. You can drink a few of them a day and still feel good. And what's your favorite flavor? What's your favorite flavor? Cherry Frost or Peach Mango? Peach Mango is not fully out yet, but this one is. Cherry Frost is out. So they can order cherry Frost. That cherry Frost is out. You're seen on the on the screen

Put the link Rob in the chat and the description if you're a fan. I like it. You follow him support the man go place in order with bum sugar-free Energy drink cherry frost Christopher it's been a blast having you on you one, you're the man. Really enjoyed it. Looking forward to doing it again in the future. If you decide to go for your six, maybe we'll do one right afterwards as well. And looking forward to seeing next year

when you finally reveal, when your wife says, now we can tell the world, I'm excited about that moment to see what your reaction is gonna be. Thank you. Take care everybody, have a great weekend. Bye bye, bye bye. action is going to be. Thank you. Take care everybody. Have a great weekend. Bye bye. Bye.