PBD Podcast - Trump Rogan Interview, Beyonce & Kamala Rally, Doug Emoff Allegations w/ Eric Trump | PBD Podcast | Ep. 494

Starting point is 00:00:00 All right, so we have, you know, typically Adam Wors is the same outfit every day. What I become? All right, so we have a you know, typically Adam worse is same outfit every day today Adams got a new do I don't know if you guys see what Adam looks like today. He's got a new do because Adam is late again Again, he's late and and and everybody that's watching this were early and we're early, and we have none other than Eric Trump in the house. You can't be late in life, guys. Nope, don't be late in life. No, no, no, so embarrassing. There you go, anyways, he'll walk in here in a minute, and that's it, that's a perfect picture of him.

Starting point is 00:00:54 Be on time to vote, be on time for meetings, be on time. So, Eric, obviously, there's not a lot going on with you guys right now. Nothing. Not a lot with the family. A very quiet, slow week. It's a very slow, not a lot of activity. Tell me this, walk me through this. When does the day start? What's your day look

Starting point is 00:01:10 like from the morning till midnight? What's the day look like for the, you know, Trump family? Well, listen guys, remember outside of politics and I'm heavily involved in politics, I also run a big company, so my day starts early and we're not much, you know, we're not big sleepers in our family. My father's not a big sleeper, I'm not a big sleeper I'm normally 5 a.m. Guy go to the gym, you know get to it, you know very very early and you know getting very late and last two nights we've come in at 1 o'clock in the morning and You know come back from big fundraisers big events. I was with him all over

Starting point is 00:01:36 All over Georgia, North Carolina. I've been doing events all over the country And so no guys not a lot of sleep now between obviously, you know Kind of campaign schedule and you know the final two weeks less than not a lot of sleep now between obviously, you know, kind of campaign schedule and the final two weeks, less than two weeks now, 12 days. And then obviously, you know, the company, we've got some of the greatest hotels all over the world and golf courses and residential buildings, commercial buildings, you know, literally on every corner of the globe and so, not a whole lot of sleep in our family. And you're the EVP, right? You're the EVP of the entire organization.

Starting point is 00:02:01 Yeah, that's what I do. Okay, so question with you there, because I got four kids, and we got businesses that were running. How was the family conversations when you guys were kids, younger? Think 10, 12, 13, 14 years old, 15 years old. Hey, one day you're gonna run this, and one day you're gonna do that.

Starting point is 00:02:20 What were those conversations like with Pops? No, actually, almost the exact opposite of that. We were thrown on construction sites, Don and I, at a very, very young age, right? About 11, started making less than minimum wage, and I was pulling conduit, and I was doing HVAC work, tile work, concrete work, everything that you can possibly imagine, right?

Starting point is 00:02:36 And I loved it, but it was, you're gonna work with the stonemasons. These are guys, tough Italian guys, if you wore gloves, they would laugh at you. It's just, you're a little prepubescent hands, they're gonna get if you wore gloves, they would laugh at you. I mean, it's just, you know, your little prepubescent hands are going to get, you know, work hard in today, little boy. And, you know, they were tough on you guys. Oh, these guys are fricking tough. I mean, these guys know bullshit right there. You know, these are, these are the real deal. These are hardened, you know, tough guys. And,

Starting point is 00:02:58 you know, by the way, some of them, so many of them still work in the company today and, and, you know, dear friends and worked for us forever. And they're really kind of family of ours. But no, this is real deal stuff. And if you wanted a fishing rod, guess what? You know, honey, go out and work for it. Go dig a hole, go learn how to run backhoes, bulldozers, chainsaws. And it's what we did every single summer. And it was the best thing that ever happened. And so I don't think there was any, hey, when you come into the business, it's work, earn it, and slowly grow your way in the company. And if you're really good at what you do, you can eventually have the keys.

Starting point is 00:03:29 And I don't even think that was stated. It was one of these things that we went out and we busted our bus every single day. And trust me, Donald Trump, he's no pushover. If we weren't really good at what we did, if we didn't care, if we didn't work our tail off, we wouldn't be in the seat that we were in. I mean, there's no way, there's too much riding on it.

Starting point is 00:03:45 Two questions with that. So when I studied the Kennedy family, specifically Joseph Kennedy, right? And even Michael Jordan, when he hears stories about him when he was younger, his older brother, the dad would kick, pin them against each other, competition, and Michael in the last dance, I think, I don't know what scene it was, when he says, when I was a kid and I was going through it and my dad was saying, you don't know what to do, you don't know how to compete, you just go play outside. Let us grown men do this.

Starting point is 00:04:12 And he said, I wanted to kill these guys, right? My own, you know, the level of competition. He says, but I realized I needed to go through that phase of getting my skin to be thick before I became who I was. Was dad doing that or did he leave it to everybody else to do it? There was definitely friendly competition between Donnie Bonk and I, we're closest friends,

Starting point is 00:04:30 we're inseparable, right? I mean, we have a really inseparable family, no division, which is actually hard to believe going through the political nonsense, right? I mean, they've done everything they could to kind of break up the family and divide us and pin everybody against each other. But what he was actually remarkable at,

Starting point is 00:04:42 he almost took a different approach. He'd give you tasks that were so insurmountable. You realize he kind of laddered them, right? But I was 24 years old, I'd get thrown into, build that building. And by the way, it's you're in charge, make good decisions. I'd go to him oftentimes, hey, I've got a problem. What's the answer?

Starting point is 00:05:02 And he would kind of talk in a little bit of a circle, but then at the end of his, you figure it out. You figure it out. And don't get me wrong, if I was gonna go grossly awry, he would've course corrected immediately, but he wanted people. For him, it was never about the PhDs, it was never about the resume,

Starting point is 00:05:19 it was guys who would go out there and bust their butts, bust their asses, who worked, who had common sense, who people liked, who would go out there and fight. We have people in our company that were literally drivers. They took me to school as a kid, who were general managers of some of the biggest hotels in the country because these guys always had their hand up. And Donald Trump was always this guy,

Starting point is 00:05:38 you keep your hand in the air, right? I mean, driver, we were looking, we were bringing architects out to Las Vegas when we did our big hotel out there, right? 64 stories on the strip, right? I mean, Driver, you know, we were looking, we were bringing architects out to Las Vegas when we did our big hotel out there, right? 64 stories on the strip, you know, right across from the wind. Amazing building. Hey, I'll take them out. You know, there's Driver.

Starting point is 00:05:53 I'll take the architects out, no problem. You know, a couple weeks later, we're getting financing and we're, you know, going through the whole buying process. Hey, I'll take those bankers out. I'll show them site. I'll, you know, I'll take them through the plans that we have. The guy always just had his hand up. And guess what?

Starting point is 00:06:03 You know, 15 years later, 20 years later, he's running a several billion dollar building that's one of the biggest in Las Vegas. And this is a guy who really started as a driver. And it was never about the guys who graduated from Yale and Princeton. It was about the guys who worked hard, who were no BS, who were honest, who were loyal,

Starting point is 00:06:20 who always had their hand up and very different. I mean, and by the way, one other thing, he instilled confidence in people or loyal who always had their hand up and very different. And by the way, one other thing, he instilled confidence in people who otherwise might have not had confidence in themselves and he would build them up. Brian's the greatest, he does the greatest job. This guy works hard on everybody.

Starting point is 00:06:35 Everybody loves this guy. You watch this guy, he's gonna get the project done on time, under budget. And he'd build up their personality where they actually believed in themselves where otherwise they it was said hey I'm not I'm not I'm just not qualified for that I mean how many times have you heard that across your life and when in reality they were almost the most qualified

Starting point is 00:06:51 You know in a crazy way they had the street smarts. They had the it's now he's he was a remarkable guy He's made so many careers remarkable boss, but you better believe when we were 14 years old It was and hey when you take over the company one day No, go out and dig that damn hole and and and work for it I was in Vermont visiting this insurance company called National Life Group and it was shown this person's been here for 38 years This was from been here for 30 years 28 years Who are some of the longest standing employees within the organization and what are the timelines? Well, if you haven't been in our company for 20 years, you're like, you know, you're like a junior very junior paper I mean, I always say, you know, you make it the first year with us and we love you, you

Starting point is 00:07:27 know, you're in for life. And you walk down the hall of our company, every single person, 20 years, 25 years, 30 years. I mean, it's a remarkable thing. And so many people who came through, I hate hiring from outside. I hate it. It drives me crazy because you can never learn who a person is on a resume you just own. And I'd much rather have somebody that, you know know started as a busboy and and you know worked his way into kind of you know being

Starting point is 00:07:50 F&B director and then kind of worked his way into assistant general manager And then you take that person you put them in another property They succeed every single time because you know their heart and soul you know their work ethic You know you know I mean they've just been tested over and over and over and by the way They're the people who are most appreciative. I mean, think about the kind of FU it sends throughout corporate culture. You know, when somebody's worked in a company for 15 years and they've rose the ranks and then you jump ahead of them and you go grab some guy, you

Starting point is 00:08:17 know, some stiff from Ritz Carlton or something along those lines and you bring them in and you totally jump over them, I try never to do that. And my father was the same way. He always liked hiring from within. How many people over 20 years, if you were to give a number? Tens of thousands. Wow. I mean, listen guys, we probably have six, 7,000 people

Starting point is 00:08:33 in our company right now, right across, you know, and growing awfully quickly. And, but people whose careers he's made, you know, I mean, it's remarkable. And by the way, people people who would never otherwise gotten jobs And this is gonna sound a little bit bad. So I but you know 1980s, you know He was giving you know, very Construction very male dominated industry in New York. I mean very few females in a you know

Starting point is 00:08:58 And made made many of his project managers females He never gets any credit for that and they were killers and they went out and they did unbelievable things and built some, and he was always willing to just give whoever was the best person, whoever had their hand up, whoever would ever be that killer, who would ever work 24 hours a day to prove themselves. Hey, by the way, welcome in. Yeah. Thank you.

Starting point is 00:09:17 Yeah, it's good to have you. I'm so sorry, Eric. Like, this is like. Now the audience knows. Yes. Now they know. Eric, I always mean. Adam, Eric is audience know. Yes. Now they know. Eric, Adam, Eric is here. He's trying to be professional.

Starting point is 00:09:29 He was early. I mean, I'm sorry to the audience. You would assume he would give some respect. Some respect. I mean, he came early. The guys are. Allow me to give a little respect then. Cause I'm gonna blame somebody for me being late.

Starting point is 00:09:42 Who? Your father. Why? Because we've been having such an amazing time at Mar-a-Lago the last two nights. Yeah. I've never been. A little tired? No, I don't drink anymore thanks to this guy.

Starting point is 00:09:55 Zero drinking, a lot of YMCAing, a lot of amazing movies, a lot of amazing people. What a place, this Mar-a-Lago, I gotta tell ya. And my apologies for being late. Get your headset on. Great conversation. Don't interrupt, let us have the conversation. Going back to it, okay. So the idea during dinner,

Starting point is 00:10:15 because dinner is a lot of, you know, you learn a lot about families during dinner, conversations. So if we were to take 100 dinners, and we were to run data to say what are the top 10 most common conversations that would come up? Is it sports? Which team? Is it movies?

Starting point is 00:10:33 Is it music? Is it business? Is it real estate? What were some of the common conversations? Again, when you were a kid, right? I'm not talking 20 plus, I'm talking 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 during that age. So he's always been a guy who's been myopically, and I think as a family. First of all, great sense of humor.

Starting point is 00:10:48 We like to laugh. We like to poke fun. I mean, a lot of kind of shit talk for lack of a better term against all of us. You guys are New Yorkers? Yeah, 100%. You get it, right? But I mean, we're a very, very close family, but we're also in a very alpha family, a very kind of competitive family.

Starting point is 00:11:02 We have a lot of fun, and we're all probably loud in our own ways. Everybody wants the stage, everybody wants the microphone. So you get a lot of that at our tables, probably no different than your tables, right? But you know, I think the conversation always kind of revolved. He was very myopically focused on whatever he was doing at the time, right?

Starting point is 00:11:19 In the casino years, in the early years, I mean, he was myopically focused on casinos, right? And everything would be about the casino business and building the casinos and, you know, who's, you know, as Michael Jackson, go show up today, as whole Kogan go show up today, you know, you know, what event you have. And, you know, when, when that moved later on to the hotels, the golf courses, that became kind of the, you know, the, the focus when we got into the apprentice, you know, the apprentice became the, and it was a certain way of actually, I

Starting point is 00:11:43 think maybe, I think maybe psychologically honing yourself where you just dig so deep into whatever you want to focus on that it ultimately becomes a success because you're just so impassioned about it. But I think that conversation over the course of time moved from focus to focus. Certainly when we got into politics, real estate became a much smaller conversation at the dinner table. And guess what? It's much more of a political conversation. Can you believe this? Can you believe this nonsense?

Starting point is 00:12:08 And so it's always how he actually, I think, honed himself and got many of the talking points and kind of grounded his convictions in whatever he was doing in the moment. What qualities did he dislike the most? Like if I'm talking about victimhood blame, what was it when he's looking at somebody, somebody doesn't make it it somebody feels an enemy He goes up against an opponent somebody he watches in sports were there any qualities? But like if you want to feel in life, there's a three things laziness He had no tolerance for lazy, right?

Starting point is 00:12:36 And you know, he could always respect somebody who was a hard fighter on the other side of the table But as somebody who fought he always liked the fighter, who fought, he always liked the fighter. He never liked the lazy person. He wanted the person to be motivated. And he'll call me in the morning and I'm an early guy and I'm kind of a late guy and honey, it'll be 5.30 in the morning. Honey, are you awake? Yeah, I'm speaking to you, I'm awake. And he'll call me that same night, 11.45.

Starting point is 00:12:58 Honey, are you awake? Yeah, I'm awake. And he's caught me a couple of times, right? It's 10.30, you pass out. Oh honey, did I catch you? You're sleeping, you're not allowed to be sleeping. I'm a guy that gets four hours of sleep at night, right? I'm a guy who travels on a plane 210 days a year and you're literally, you know, busting my chops for,

Starting point is 00:13:16 but no, he's remarkable. He likes hard workers, you know, and he likes people who have passion, you know, and for anything, and I'm the same way. I like people who have, I don't care if you're into knitting if you are truly passionate about something and you want to be a master Of that of that craft. I just find those people kind of fascinating. He always did too He's he's a guy who'd pull up. You know you'd see a stonemason on the side of the road He'd be building an incredible wall. He'd pull up to him. That's the most incredible stone wall. I've ever seen

Starting point is 00:13:42 Is that bluestone is that flagstone? You know, if you believe in dry packing, what kind of concrete do you use? I mean, he's the guy who would always get so myopic, and he would love to dig into the minds of people who are truly kind of, you know, captains of industry. They might not be, you know, captains of industry in the big sense, but people who truly knew their trade and knew that trade better than anybody and were perfectionists.

Starting point is 00:14:02 He always loved those people, you know. It's kind of why I call him sometimes the blue collar billionaire. He always did really well with, you know, go to that electrician. Hey bud, are we on schedule? Tell me about this job. What's going right? This guy that's installing electrical outlet. This isn't the guy that's running the company. He learned more from those guys than he did from, certainly any day from the guys who are actually running those organizations.

Starting point is 00:14:23 How about behind closed doors? You were apprentice, you've done a lot of deals, you've seen him negotiate. If you were to say a couple things, his go-to when it comes onto negotiations, he'll do X, Y, Z. What is his approach? I mean, I've read art of the deal.

Starting point is 00:14:35 We've seen some of the stuff he said on the apprentice, but from your perspective. Negotiate everything. I mean, he was always a tough negotiator. He was a fair negotiator, but he was a tough negotiator. He's got the expected quality. I remember as kids, and really my whole life, and I might actually be worse at this point,

Starting point is 00:14:50 to tell you the truth, but we'd be walking through a casino as a little kid. He would stop a caravan of people because he would see a little paint rip on a wall that was so insignificant that no one would ever point it out. And he would make a spectacle out of it. And what that was doing is actually convince, it was conditioning people to be perfectionists.

Starting point is 00:15:10 Don't have that paint rip, right? Don't have that burnt out bulb. People notice these little details and it made the teams substantially better. And it's kind of one of the reasons we have the quality that we do in our company. But so oftentimes I show up at our properties, I'll walk through the loading dock.

Starting point is 00:15:23 Our lobbies are gonna be perfect every single time, but I want to see every mechanical room. I want to make sure that there's no dust on an HVAC system and kind of a back closet. They've got to be perfectly painted, well lit. They've got to be immaculate. And the way you conduct yourself kind of back at house is obviously a good transfer over the way you interact with guests and the way you hold yourself. But no, he was a perfectionist. And he's very kind of OCD in terms of detail. And tough negotiator and a guy who really, beyond anything, I think a great cheerleader. And I think you see that in politics certainly,

Starting point is 00:15:57 but he cheerleads for things that he believes in. I want America to be the greatest country in the world. We're gonna have the best economy. We're gonna have the lowest taxes. We're gonna have the lowest taxes. We're gonna have the greatest military. Our vets are gonna be put first. We're not gonna let these companies rip us off and screw us all around the world.

Starting point is 00:16:14 We're gonna renegotiate these deals. China's not gonna get away with murder anymore. But he did that in business as well. Turnberry's the greatest golf course. We're building something that's better than anything in the world. And he meant it. But he was also willing to say it All right, he was always a great cheerleader and and frankly, you know to the political side of this conversation

Starting point is 00:16:31 It's it's something that I think this country is missing in a big way. We don't have cheerleaders anymore. I've read this book 38 letters John D Rockefeller wrote his son incredible book. I mean you won't be able to put it down It's insane and I think it's like chapter four You know for letter four or five where he says Uh dear john I have some terrible news to give you today Uh, mr. Benson my greatest rival died today and he goes through the whole story, right? Who were some of your father's greatest rivals that you've seen? Oh, wow, he's had a lot of rivals over the years. Of course, yeah. Going into the casino world,

Starting point is 00:17:06 all the casinos were rivals because they were all competing over, obviously, a very limited amount of licenses. You go into New York, everybody wanted the trophy sites, and so you name it, both individuals and public companies. I mean, real estate's cutthroat.

Starting point is 00:17:20 I mean, it's incredibly cutthroat. And so I think in a certain way, it actually kind of mastered the craft going into politics. What I will say is, as cut the road as real estate is, it's a pittance compared to politics, right? Because you can have two people that are fundamentally not aligned. I mean, in terms of beliefs,

Starting point is 00:17:39 you could have Bernie Sanders and you could have Donald Trump. But in a capitalist world, they'll work together to create the greatest product, to do it better than anybody, to compete harder, and they can align themselves. In a political world, they can't. Power has become so corrupting in this country that, and I think it's why you see kind of political rivalries that are so much more fierce than you could ever probably see in, you know,

Starting point is 00:18:05 in a capitalistic world. Two capitalists can come together for the, you know, for the reason of, again, capitalism. You know, Nancy Pelosi will never give up her power. She'll never give up that, you know, incredible white marble office. She wants to hold on to that in perpetuity, right? And that power becomes very corrupting. And I think that's why you truly see kind of these rivalries, the competition in politics that's unlike anything

Starting point is 00:18:29 that you probably see in the commercial space. Well, you see that. But publicly, who were some of the ones that you would say? I'm talking specific like business. Were there, like NFL, when he was trying to buy team the Buffalo Bills, or was it Wynn, the licensing in Las Vegas? Certainly, Carl Icahn, who was probably a great competitor,

Starting point is 00:18:49 you know, certainly Wynn, because they competed against each other. And it was funny, he's dear friends with Carl now, or he's dear friends with Steve. Certainly, I mean, he went in, tried to buy the Buffalo Bills, and you know, probably the NFL, and kind of the powers to be there.

Starting point is 00:19:04 And I mean, every developer in New York, whether it be the relateds and again, these guys are all our best friends now. But I mean, that's just the way of the world is no different than you compete against other media outlets every single day. And you know, many of them are your friends, but listen, you know, life has cut the road, especially in that world, you know, a New York real estate was, was tough. And you know, frankly, you're competing against the contractors as well, you know, who oftentimes have limited tough and you know frankly you're competing against contractors as well You know who oftentimes have limited supply and you need to convince them to do your projects versus others

Starting point is 00:19:30 I mean, you know in that world you're in competition with everyone It's it will there ever be a time where you're saying these rivals a Hillary Clinton will be a best friend Will there ever come a time where you guys will be going to dinner as a family and Chelsea's sitting there and Bill's sitting there Hey, what do you think about the Yankees Dodgers? He think that they will be in the future? I think very few there are people I have tremendous respect for on the other side of the aisle Georgina Bloomberg great girl unbelievable girl and and you know, obviously, you know, he ran against my father and you know Spent two billion dollars. I think I don't think he got one delegate. It's funny. Actually he did he got Guam He got Guam and actually if you took the two billion dollars he spent on the race

Starting point is 00:20:07 He could have bought all the private real estate in Guam and had the vote and he could have owned it I always found that but Georgina is an amazing amazing girl I could never say anything bad about her and and there are people on that side of the aisle. I listen absolutely He does become deeply personal with Kamala's when they're coming out calling you Hitler and fascist. Right? It's kind of hard. It's different if somebody, if two people are competing for a site on 57th and fifth,

Starting point is 00:20:32 and somebody's willing to pay 30 million bucks and the next guy's willing to pay 31 million bucks and you lose the thing, right? It's hard to have animosity towards something. When they literally spend the last 10 years trying to throw me in jail for doing nothing wrong, I've never gotten so much as a speeding ticket, I think it's a lot harder to mend that kind of relationship,

Starting point is 00:20:49 but that makes sense. Yeah, no, and we'll talk about that here in a minute. I got some stories I wanna get into with you. I guess before we go into the stories today, we got a lot of them. Obviously, I think according to MSNBC yesterday, Anderson Cooper endorsed your father. I think so. According to MSNBC, and he had to even explain himself.

Starting point is 00:21:08 We'll talk about that. We got to, you know, who is the one from Mika, right? That she, unfortunately, she had a big rough day yesterday. A few other people will show the reaction to that. But before going into this, you guys are in New York. Were the Trumps Yankees or Mets? Is it a Yankee family? Of course we were Yankees. Yankees baby!

Starting point is 00:21:26 So tell us some stories about Steinbrenner going to the Swedes, who's there? Did you see some of the greats who were in the Swedes? Alright, let me tell you, I've got the greatest Steinbrenner story. So he loved my father and my father loved him. And he was, by the way, you want to talk about an ultimate competitor? This guy was like the ultimate competitor. Great family, great everything. And so I used to go to the games and you'd have,

Starting point is 00:21:45 you know, Joe DiMaggio, I remember this, right? He'd always kind of be sitting there, you know, oftentimes by himself. You had Giuliani. Interesting. You had Henry Kissinger. And I guess he was just a massive Yankees fan, but I remember Henry Kissinger in the box all the time.

Starting point is 00:21:59 And then it was, you know, like my father and I, oftentimes he had a lot of empty seats in the boxes, you know, because obviously Steinbrenner took this seriously. This was not like an entertainment party. I remember you'd see these great batters, right? And you know, they would strike out, they were batting, you know, 320 or whatever it was. And you would literally have Steinbrenner go grab the red phone in the big box and he

Starting point is 00:22:19 would call out to the dugout, I want that mother effing gun. He's no freaking good good. We pay this guy too much. You know you'd have like cheater, right? I mean cheater's up and batting. He screws up one time. He doesn't get, yeah, I want that damn guy gone. He's no frickin good. And it was beautiful, right? I mean, I don't think I figured out the game of life back then, but I mean, he was just instilling excellence in these people. Right. And, and, and he demanded perfection and he looked at the Yankee streak over that period of time. I mean, they won like, you know, every second or, I mean, they were unstoppable.

Starting point is 00:22:54 And, you know, you want to talk about a home team, but he was a tough cookie. I mean, he was a tough, tough cookie and, and, and God bless. I love that. And in so many ways I see my father in him, I think it's one of the reasons that they kind of got long you know you know expected perfection you know tough as hell and and it was a beautiful thing and I don't think there's many team owners in history that even even remotely rival to what Steinbrenner did you know it's maybe Jerry bus in the NBA side he won he won 10 and 33 years, but not... 27.

Starting point is 00:23:25 Jerry was not a sub... No, but 27 is all time. Yeah, of course. This guy did 10 in 33, but Jerry wasn't the personality that Steinbrenner was. Of course. Steinbrenner was made for TV. I mean, some of the stuff that he... He was amazing. Oh, by the way, and they would have... You remember these, the old clips. I mean, they would zoom in on the box and they would have him on the phone she's shouting into the phone and they'd have the split screen of the poor general manager at the time who's just

Starting point is 00:23:49 getting reamed out I mean he's batter with the guy was batting like 319 or whatever the hell it is and he's reaming the guy out because he didn't make one play it's it was a remarkable thing you know whereas most of the owners would be up in the box kind of clapping okay you know better luck better luck next time buddy right and and I mean he just kept that constant pressure and it was it was an amazing thing to watch as a kid again I'm not sure I fully understood the game at the time I was too young but kind of looking back I mean I remember those moments vividly and it was he was just a remarkable

Starting point is 00:24:17 remarkable owner well you know is there a prediction for Yankees Dodgers of course I'm gonna go with you come on all right well we're excited to see what happens having said that we got a lot of course I'm gonna go with Yankees. Come on. All right. Well, we're excited to see what happens. Having said that, we got a lot of stories we're gonna go through today. We're gonna talk about what Anderson Cooper did, his town hall, and then having to explain himself to everybody. And even Charlamagne the God is sitting there, you know, chewing him out saying, you guys spend way too much time talking about whether Kamala's black or not instead of actually

Starting point is 00:24:42 Anderson, what are you talking about? I'm doing my job I'm not like the MSNBC guys that get the blow-drive whatever you call it. I'm high-paid as well. I thought it was a great clip We'll show that we got a few other things that happen that we'll go through. Rob, what clips do you have that we want to go through? That's one of them. Keith Oberman saying Elon Musk should be deported, which is always exciting to hear that guy. General Kelly He's saying a few things. I want to hear your thoughts on him It's always exciting to hear that guy. General Kelly, he's saying a few things. I wanna hear your thoughts on him.

Starting point is 00:25:06 Hunter Biden pardon, which was very interesting to bring that up. The trend, the Aragua, the Venezuelans, what's happening with New York with 600 of them. Voter fraud, how do you prevent that? A Jamie Raskin video I wanna get from you from a couple months ago when he said, if they win, we're gonna use January 6th, 2025.

Starting point is 00:25:23 I'll get your reaction on that. And then, a few other stories that we have here, and obviously tonight is the big night in Houston. The great Beyonce is performing, once she performs, it's over. I mean, it's like, Republicans are gonna be running to vote for Kamala after Beyonce. Can I change my vote?

Starting point is 00:25:41 I thought it was over when Samuel L. Jackson endorsed it. Whoa, that was a done deal. But no, Eminem dropped the ball, when he did his thing, it was over. But Jackson and do all that was a done deal But no M&M dropped the ball when he did his thing. It was over But let me let me just kind of go through this guys. We did this yesterday tonight. It ends at midnight I just want to remind everybody Next week we're running up. We're running a sweepstake for next week the big game next week game five in New York against LA October 30th, and this is what we're doing. For every dollar spent on merch, VTMerch.com, we got 15 new hats. This is officially the number one selling new hat that came about.

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Starting point is 00:27:31 $1,000 spent and you can also find it in the description for this episode of the podcast found on the PBD podcast channel on YouTube void where prohibited by law there you go, so go to VT merge calm and there's a QR code Let's get right into it Rob. Can you pull up the Anderson Cooper clip? So Anderson Cooper does a town hall with Kamala doesn't go well right she even was asked do you have the clip Rob when she's asked the question about you know I don't know everything and some of the stuff I have to go back and study and and research and learn I don't know if you saw that clip or not I can find it she was being a little condescending she was Anderson you know Anderson right well I mean you know there is this part when guys are reacting to it saying, wait

Starting point is 00:28:05 a minute, you've been a vice president for all these years and you're saying you don't have the answer? And she says, yeah, I got to go back and do some research. Is that the one Rob or is it a different one? That was when they asked if there's anything that any mistakes that she's made. No, not that one. So why don't you why don't you play the clip of Anderson Cooper reacting again in the interim will find a clip.

Starting point is 00:28:23 So this is him being chewed out. Go and play this clip. Go for it. Where you know what? I got so many I don't look at comments about myself but I was looking up some comments about my grief podcast and I came across this whole inundation from people who are Harris supporters saying to me online today like how dare you what a betrayal that you would ask her these questions.

Starting point is 00:28:43 And I'm like you misunderstand what my job is. I'm not on MSNBC. Or no disrespect, what they do is they're very talented. But I don't watch it. I'm not interested in watching what these overpaid, blow-dried anchors think. And I include myself in that overpaid blow-dried, although I don't blow-dry.

Starting point is 00:29:01 I am overpaid. But I'm not interested in the anchors' opinion. I'm interested in facts and letting the viewers make up their own minds. Anyway, I'm sorry this devolved into something else. This is fascinating. This country. How do you process this, Eric?

Starting point is 00:29:14 Listen guys, it's a joke. I mean, this is a person that's running the United States of America. This is a person who's sitting on the largest nuclear stockpile in the world. This is a person, you know, you have President Xi out there that wants to eat our lunch, you know, economically, militarily.

Starting point is 00:29:28 They want to win the war against the United States guys without there ever being a shot fired, right? And just make no mistake about it. And you have a person who literally can't get through a sentence. You have a person who doesn't understand basic taxation in this country. It's insane.

Starting point is 00:29:41 And you have an entire mainstream media that's covering up for her. And you know, guys, it's actually the greatest thing. Patrick, it's the's insane and you have an entire mainstream media. That's that's covering up for her And you know guys, it's actually the greatest thing Patrick. It's gracing for you Because the mainstream media in this country is shooting itself in the head. No one trusts anymore, right? Anderson Cooper sits in a building in You know Columbus Circle with thousands of people the overhead is hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions So are every single year and they have what 300,000 listeners? I mean, they've got no one is like I'm worth going on the show, you know, versus independent guys like like you that aren't being told what to say by kind of, you know, corporate

Starting point is 00:30:13 America who's pulling in 10s and 10s and 10s of millions of listeners, people don't trust them anymore. And the more they carry on these games, you know, I think I think the better the worse they're certainly going to do the better you're going to do. But listen, guys, is embarrassment that whole town hall was an embarrassment I mean she couldn't name one self deprecating fact about herself Which I think is actually the clip that you were trying to play Where she goes, you know what one one self deprecating thing about me is sometimes I have to go back and do do research

Starting point is 00:30:39 And I mean it didn't it didn't make sense. You're sitting there saying how is this person gonna deal with Putin? How is this person going to deal with Putin? How is this person going to solve wars? How is this person going to bring Russian Ukraine together, a conflict that we've spent $200 billion on, millions of lives at this point, destroyed cities? She can't answer a question from a woman about taxation in the United States of America, yet this is the commander in chief? Guys, this is the United States of America. We can do a hell of a lot better than this. But the fact is they give her a free pass for just about everything.

Starting point is 00:31:12 I remember one thing, the Washington Post, like 10 weeks ago, right before they threw Biden out of office, was literally encouraging her to drop out of the race for the benefit of the Democratic Party. And then all of a sudden, you know, she becomes the anointed one in like 18 hours. Tell me that wasn't a whole setup. I mean, she had what, you know, 4,700 delegates lined up. And 40 days of interview embargo where she didn't go to any interview

Starting point is 00:31:36 where she had 98% positive coverage. But she had like 4,700 delegates lined up perfectly in her camp in like 17 hours. No one could do that. And then all of a sudden the media changes their tune. She's like the modern day Margaret Thatcher of the United States. Give me a break.

Starting point is 00:31:50 No one buys this nonsense. And it's, guys, it's infuriating to see. It's infuriating because I'm a guy who just loves red, white, and blue. You know, forget about the fact that I'm in the fight, but I love this country. And this is probably the least qualified person that we've, it's by far the least qualified person

Starting point is 00:32:04 we've ever had run for this Could you just name you just nailed it Eric? She's not supposed to be here the the debate where your father just Buried by it once and for all that was the panic in the DNC were like oh my god And then they have to proper up she didn't expect to be in like in this limelight I didn't think so they were gonna be riding with Biden even Adam. You know we made bets where we're like no There's no way he's winning, he's doing it. That debate ruined everything for them. The reason she's like this,

Starting point is 00:32:30 she didn't expect to be here. How pissed off do you think Biden is right now? Oh, he's furious. I mean, I would bet serious money that Biden actually secretly votes for Trump at this point. I mean, it was like, guys, it was like the greatest hostile takeover and he got so bamboozled and they all convinced him that his legacy would be cemented in the fact that he, you know, he graciously dropped out. You saw the lip reading from the Ethel Kennedy funeral. Now he goes down as a guy who's, you know,

Starting point is 00:32:56 listen, he lost cognition, he lost everything. But then he also goes down as a guy who might have picked the dumbest VP in the history of the country and one who cannot stand on her own and one, God forbid something would have happened to him could not have run this country. And in a certain way, I actually think it's just, you know, it's almost like, you know, double kill. It's, hey, Eric, it seems like they're about to get go from desperate to dire situation in the Democratic Party. Like, it seems as if your dad, Donald J. Trump is almost in a flow state right now. You know, like when you're in sports, you're

Starting point is 00:33:31 humming that you're humming on all cylinders. He did the McDonald's thing. The Al Smith dinner was hilarious. He's doing like he's going on the biggest podcast in the world. He's going to be on Rogan. He's in this flow state right now. He's flown when we were there at Mar-a-Lago, the YMCA speaking is just with confidence. Whereas Kamala, it's almost a state of desperation. It's a state of fear. So 10 days out, I mean, what stories could even break at this point that could put any damage to the campaign at this point? Like, what are you guys doing on your end? Because I don't even know if it's about offense defense at this point. What are you guys doing being like, guys, we're 10 days out because I don't even know if it's about offense defense at this point what are you guys doing being like guys we're ten days out yeah I

Starting point is 00:34:06 don't know if you saw the news not just the electoral college I think Trump is now tied with Kamala on the popular vote yeah they tied the Republicans haven't won the public vote and I don't know how many years so you guys kind of must have this ten days out what can you guys do to be like hold down the ship guys ten days left what more can they do well honestly all it is go and vote. At the end of the day everybody has to get out and vote. And you can never take these people for granted. You cannot.

Starting point is 00:34:30 You cannot rest on your laurels. I want to play like we're a point behind and people have to get out. And we've seen great early voting. The Republican Party has changed so much. And so many people are going out early. But to your point, I literally have been tweeting every month for the last year. There will be an October surprise because that's what they always do. It's their game plan.

Starting point is 00:34:48 Remember, Bill Clinton, you just talked about the October surprise as something that they pop on you so late that you can't otherwise disprove it, which takes you down by five points in the polls. And by the way, by the time you can disprove it, the election's already over. It's been the Democratic playbook for the last 50 years and they've done it every single time. The problem, I think the difference with know the 50 years and they've done it every single time the problem I think the difference with Donald Trump this time around is they did it they did it with the Russia hoax They made up a dirty dossier, which was had unthinkable things in there, right?

Starting point is 00:35:13 I mean unthinkable things were said about the guy in there. They tried to impeach him twice They went after a Supreme Court justices. They took him off the ballots in Maine and in Colorado They put every DA and AG in the country onto this poor guy over and over. They raided his wife's closet. They raided Baron's room. I got 111 subpoenas, right? They took him off of Twitter, Facebook, Instagram. We had to create truth social just as a way to communicate.

Starting point is 00:35:38 You know, guys, they've tried to damn near everything. And a lot of people in this country will say they tried to kill him. Right. And, and, and, and, and, right. So they've tried everything to take Donald Trump out of the race. And you're everything and a lot of people in this country will say they tried to kill him, right? And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and,

Starting point is 00:35:48 and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, Do you think this is gonna be like the deciding blow of course not you know of course not what's ironic about this whole conversation Is is Doug Emhoff right is accused of you know beating someone you know? You know a witness by by apparently a lot of people. I mean this is what's being reported all over the place Could you imagine if that was if that was Donald Trump?

Starting point is 00:36:18 I mean you know disqualified and they don't even they don't even want to talk about it. I mean they literally don't want to Even bring up the story. That's how corrupt the mainstream media is and obviously you guys are and a lot of other people are but it's I almost don't think you know They'll try for as many October surprises that they can get because that's our game plan But but I think you know, it's no longer sticky, right? They've thrown so much crap at a wall It just no longer sticks because how many times can you cry wolf? You just, it's, that's why I think it won't work. Like unless there's nothing short of a worldwide pandemic,

Starting point is 00:36:49 no story, no person coming out, no tabloid is going to do anything against a Teflon Dawn at this point. We know that at this point, no story is going to break the barrier between what he has going on versus her. But at the end of the day, I mean, just look at the difference in four years. Yeah. Right. I mean, come back to it. You know, somebody might not like, you know, a tough tweet. My father's very direct guy. And I love this. We're New Yorkers, right?

Starting point is 00:37:13 We love we love direct. No, no BS. You know, kind of tough. But, you know, people haven't gotten a wage increase. More people working three time, you know, three, four jobs than ever before. Twenty five percent of this country is behind their under their electrical bills. See United States of America, how the hell is 25 percent of the country behind on electrical bills? You have the highest credit card debt in history in this country.

Starting point is 00:37:33 And by the way, no one talks about the fact that that's before the buy now pay later schemes, right, which is hundreds of billions of dollars. No one talks about that. You know, nothing's working, right? All the while you've had 10 percent inflation, compounding inflation, damn near it. Anybody who actually thinks that the 6% inflation number is a real number, anybody who runs a business knows that these are kind of fake numbers. So you've had stagnation wage growth, you've had massive inflation, so you've created

Starting point is 00:37:58 this massive kind of delta. People are so crammed down, they're losing the American dream. Nothing works. I mean, imagine being, imagine being like a 22 year old kid who falls in love, comes out of college, comes out of school, wants to buy a house. So the housing is double based on inflation. The fact of every two by four is now 12 bucks

Starting point is 00:38:17 versus, you know, two bucks under my father, fuel costs, everything else, building materials. And now you have to go out and get a mortgage for what? 8%, you know, 9% of you can even get financing on it. You know, I mean, they've made the American dream unaffordable and everybody realizes that. And I don't care how many times somebody comes out and makes up these silly sound bites

Starting point is 00:38:36 that we've heard for 50 years. They've called every Republican for 50 years a fascist. It's kind of interesting that they call my father a fascist whereas he's the one guy who didn't want to get into a war. He's the one guy who pulled us out of every single war. Isn't that kind of ironic, right? He criticizes the greatest war machine in the history of the world, which has become us over the last 20 years.

Starting point is 00:38:56 He kept us out of every single war, yet they call him a fascist. I find that a little ironic, right? Question in regards to what you said earlier. You said, you know, it's at a point that Biden may actually vote for Trump, right? Obviously you're joking when you're saying that, but maybe you're not fully joking. Yesterday, the story comes out, Rob,

Starting point is 00:39:16 if you got the clip with Hunter Biden pardon, and you know, when you see, is this the clip of that? It is, this is the president on an interview with Hugh Hewlett. Go for it, Hugh Hewlett, go for it. Will you pardon Hunter Biden? I wouldn't take it off the book. See, unlike Joe Biden, despite what they've done to me

Starting point is 00:39:38 and after me so viciously, despite what, and Hunter's a bad boy, there's no question about it, he's been a bad boy. You have no question about it. He's been a bad boy But I happen to think it's very bad for the country I was I think you know this But most people don't because most people are of your talent I could have gone after Hillary. I could have gotten Hillary Clinton Very easily and when they say lock her up, whenever they said lock her up, you know they start doing 30,000 P.L. lock her up, lock her up. What did I do? I was to take it easy, just relax,

Starting point is 00:40:13 well we're gonna take it easy, take it easy. I could have had her put in jail and I decided I didn't want to do that. I thought it would look terrible if you had the wife of the President of the United States put in jail. I thought it would be very if you had the wife of the president of the United States or in jail. I thought it would be very bad if you did that. Robbie Kim positive, the phone is gone. So a part of this, I mean I wonder how Joe is watching this. Does Joe watch this and say, well I mean if Kamala gets elected, Hunter's going to get

Starting point is 00:40:41 pardoned anyways. Or does he watch it and say, this guy's gonna pardon my, and then part of it strategically for president, your father, for him to say, we're gonna pardon Hunter Biden and that's on the table. That's a big curve ball for the opposition. I hope he does. Honestly, I hope he does.

Starting point is 00:40:58 I've probably seen legal lawfare, unlike anybody else in the history of this country. I'm the most subpoenaed person in the history of this country because they couldn't get to my father through the executive branch. So guess what they did? They came after the guy who ran a company, right? And I had 111 subpoenas and these aren't like baby subpoenas, right? These are subpoenas from, you know, the top senators, top congressmen.

Starting point is 00:41:16 Um, they came after us, you know, give us every single email with a comma in it. I mean, literally they would just copy subpoenas. You'd literally have, you know, the house copying Senate, you know, subpoenas. You'd have have you know the house copying Senate subpoenas. You'd have AGs and DAs copying Senate subpoenas because they didn't want to do their own work and just... Guys I'm talking about hundreds of millions of dollars worth of legal fees just to... I'm a guy who's never got a speeding ticket. I'm a guy you know you know no problems in my life. No bad habits. No you know and it's in the legal lawfare it's just as bad as Hunter's been, and he went

Starting point is 00:41:47 around the world and he ripped off everything and he sold influences and give me a break, right? Finger painting. I mean, some things, these shitty pictures to, you know, the Chinese businessmen or whoever the hell it is for, for 200 grand. I mean, could you possibly imagine, I mean, I literally went to the Supreme court because a wine

Starting point is 00:42:03 bar two miles away from one of our hotels said that we were violating the emoluments laws of the Constitution because they sent somebody into our hotel to buy a glass of wine who was from a different company, a different country, you know, and literally, you know, they walk in the front entrance, sit up the bar, buy a glass of wine, you know, and a wine bar suits us, you know, saying that we're violating the emoluments, yet Hunter Biden's going out. Hotels, which we've been running, by the way, for 50 years, a fourth generation in real estate, yet Hunter Biden's going out and selling finger art to people. At the same time, we can't divulge into this country where we go after presidential kids.

Starting point is 00:42:40 When you see Barron's room get raided by the FBI, stop, guys. It's gone into turmoil. Hunter's a bad kid. There's no question about it. The kids just got real problems. Right. And by the way, the drug side of it, I can't tell you how many friends I've, I have that have fallen into, you know, into that world and you guys, you know, know so many as well.

Starting point is 00:42:57 And you know, that side of it breaks my heart, you know, the side of him being kind of a dirt bag in terms of, you know, peddling influence all over the place. You know, Hey, you run a great company. You have a website. Where's Hunter Biden's website? What's he selling? And we all know the answer to the question. I'm asking rhetorical questions at this point, but why do you need 50 shell entities?

Starting point is 00:43:17 What product are you? You're not selling these beautiful hats. You're not selling T-shirts. You're not a media company. You're not selling ads. What the hell are you selling? But despite that, I think we get in a very, very dangerous spot if we create a kind of a precipit where you just go after everybody's children, their wives or family. What's going to end up actually happening in this country, it's

Starting point is 00:43:37 already happened. You're just not going to have any good candidates because everybody's going to say, I'm not signing up for this crap. It's not worth it. Right. So you're going to end up dealing with mediocrity, which is exactly what we're seeing with Kamala Harris. That's the type of people you're going to have running in the United States of America. And if that's the country we become guys, we don't have a chance against these killers like China. I, you know, I know the games that these people play. You do as well. You know, they are out for one goal and that's to win. They're the George Steinbrenner of, of countries, right? They are out to win.

Starting point is 00:44:10 And you start doing this, you allow legal lawfare to exist. I mean, look at DOJ going after Elon Musk yesterday because he goes, listen, I'm gonna give a raffle, $1 million. $1 million. DOJ pops up about three seconds later. It's the same DOJ that sent the number three person from Washington, DC, the number three person the DOJ went from Washington Washington DC into New York City,

Starting point is 00:44:30 with the sole intent of every single day working on prosecuting Donald Trump and racking up as many felonies that they possibly can. Guys, we can't be that country. We're no better in the Venezuela if we are. You said, I hope he does pardon Hunter Biden. I mean, that's not a lightweight statement right there. That's pretty intense. Would you mind going deeper meaning, because you know what it's like. You said you've been subpoenaed more than possibly anybody in the country over a thousand times. How many times did you say it was? A hundred?

Starting point is 00:44:52 A hundred and eleven. Okay, going into Barron's room. But there's also another component. There's the, I'm a bigger person. I have the ability to unite the country. Trump has the ability to almost rewrite his legacy. Like, once the last time he president came back and won again, it was like Grover Cleveland 100 years ago. He's about to do

Starting point is 00:45:09 something that hasn't been done in 100 years. It's very impressive. But the unifying the divided states of America, I think is something that he has the capability to do. If he's able to do things like that. So pardoning Hunter Biden would almost be symbolic saying, this is a great way to start my second term. Could you go deeper on that more? The emotional component, not just the legal component? I think he's at a point right now. And listen, I say this as a son, but but I really mean it. I really mean it from my heart.

Starting point is 00:45:35 I think he's at a point where he's at the precipice of truly being a transformational. Listen, he was transformational in terms of the acts of of, you know, kind of 2016 to 2020, right? Trade deals, making everybody realize we're being ripped off. The immigration, I mean, so many of the things that he focused on, you know, kind of putting America first, you know, kind of exposing the deep state. It might be his greatest accomplishment

Starting point is 00:45:54 is just exposing kind of the true corruption. You know, if he wins in 12 days, I really think he'll be on the precipice of going down as truly one of the greatest, most iconic leaders in American history, if not the world. They threw everything. Aside from all the things that kind of list I went through, trying to platform him, take his voice, take his freedom of speech, impeach him, go after every single person around him, go after his family, put him in jail, everything that they've tried to do.

Starting point is 00:46:22 If he's able to beat that, then beat the mainstream media, again, the 92% negative coverage of him. One person, maybe one person with me and a few other people around him who've kind of stood on that stage every single day, he beats the media, he beats the deep state, he beats all the nonsense. He beats every effort to kind of take him down, and he gets back into office and he does what he says He fixes the economy. He fixes prices. He fixes, you know gas prices He renegotiates trade deals, which absolutely infuriate me because we were getting absolutely bamboozled all around You know the world he restores freedom of speech, you know He does that with Elon because obviously Elon's on a terror about this, but he's right

Starting point is 00:47:02 I mean listen guys is for First Amendment, right? This isn't you you know, this isn't the 20, no, this is a First Amendment. Numero uno. Brings religion back to society, allows faith again in society, you know, it gets government out of people's lives. It, you know, does great accomplishments, lands that person on Mars, right? I mean, keeps us as the true superpower in spite of everything that they threw in his face, you know, his face should be up on Mount Rushmore, right? You gotta respect that.

Starting point is 00:47:29 And I'm not saying that as a son, I'm saying you gotta respect that. That's one man taking on every institution that's been weaponized against America, and he did it by himself. You know, by himself, by himself with the American people, you know, who are pissed off and fed up. I think it will cement him as truly one of the most transformative leaders in the history of this country. I agree.

Starting point is 00:47:51 And by the way, you're talking about Hunter Biden. It's obvious that there's so many people concerned about Hunter Biden that he may not have access to some of the stuff that he likes, that even Theo Vaughn, if you can pull this clip, he was concerned about what Hunter may not have access to anymore, go ahead. Cocaine in this country anymore, you know? And that seemed like a crazy thing to say.

Starting point is 00:48:10 You can't even do cocaine in this country anymore, you know? And that seemed like a crazy thing to say. And don't say that, don't say that. But I said it, but yeah, but don't say that anymore. The last one I want to do is somebody selling a fucking boat at one of them. And we're like, dude, we're trying to. He's saying so bad in this country,

Starting point is 00:48:31 he's gonna buy cocaine anymore. Hey, man. Can I ask you a question? But you know, go ahead. But the thing with Theo is, you gotta, there's something very special about this guy. He's sitting with JD. I've not seen Vance laugh like that the

Starting point is 00:48:45 way he just did. But go ahead. What's your question? This is the third component to what you always talk about. It's the humanization of people. You know, PBD has a great phrase where, especially with your father, I mean, I can't think of anybody that it's more pronounced with where when you're young, you idolize someone and then they go into villianization, demonizing, and then it's humanizing. I mean, once you lose your life, you get shot. I mean, Trump is more human than ever and to Eric is to human, but Theo does a great job. Like the whole cocaine conversation with your dad.

Starting point is 00:49:17 Where are you going, Adam? What's your question? The human element. Like you asked Trump this exact question basically and Eric kind of Touched on that. There's this there's this human component that we're seeing with Trump. I'm going to a place Are you asking a question? I'm not gonna do cocaine right now, Pat. No, is it a question? I'm sorry, are you wanting to legalize cocaine and you're asking him a favor? It's not gonna happen I'm not gonna happen. You're gonna say if the brothers then I have no Listen, forgive me for him wanted to take this. I was being late Don't use the podcast as a method of favor to ask the man's son. We're humanizing.

Starting point is 00:49:48 No, we're going to cut this, Rob. Can you do me a favor, Rob? So if you can go to Elon Musk, it's interesting because Eric's talking about freedom of speech, Elon Musk tweets out something. Yes, just go to Elon's Twitter account if you could. And it showed what Americans value the most. Go a little bit lower, you'll see the poll. Elon tweets 50 times a day.

Starting point is 00:50:11 So you're going to have to keep going, keep going. You'll see a poll that's red. Now keep going, keep going, keep going. Right there, zoom in, zoom into that if you can, just a box. 63% indicate of Americans that free speech is very important. One is inflation, two is free speech, health care, abortion, crime, gun policy, Supreme Court, education, immigration. By the way, immigration is 51 percent. Look where freedom of speech is at. Foreign conflicts or terrorism, climate change, which, you know, again, 41 percent racial and ethnic inequality,

Starting point is 00:50:42 that's at the bottom. That's what they're campaigning on. And I think this is the part that they don't understand, like what is important to America? Racism. Really? You're going to bring up racism as if it's still the 50s and 60s? Climate change. Okay, so you want to pitch your, you know, whatever, the $30 trillion. No, no, Americans are sitting there at the basic level.

Starting point is 00:51:02 Life is too expensive. Freedom of speech. Yesterday I had Mike Benz on it. Was it yesterday or yesterday, right? Or two days ago? Mike Benz was here. I'm sure you know who Mike Benz is. He does a great job with the podcast. And I'm asking him a question. I'm like, okay. So I said I want you to be the devil's advocate right now. Okay? You're the evil, you know, the doctor evil, okay, and the establishment has hired you and he called, he doesn't call it deep spade and deep

Starting point is 00:51:30 state anymore, he calls it the blob. Right? Say the establishment's hired you. From the left or the right they've hired you. We need a creative method for you to figure out a way to make sure Trump doesn't get into the White House, okay? Creative way. How do you go about doing it? And by the way, if you do, you'll get a get out of jail card for the rest of your life. How do you do it? And he starts going through this whole thing and he plays this clip, Rob.

Starting point is 00:51:53 If you can play this clip from, I think it's- Jamie Raskin. Jamie Raskin, if you can play that, you have it somewhere. And he plays this clip of him saying this two months ago. Go ahead, Rob. Put into the Constitution can slip away from you very quickly. And the greatest example going on right now before our very eyes is section three of the 14th Amendment, which they're just disappearing with a magic wand as if it doesn't exist,

Starting point is 00:52:17 even though it could not be clearer what it's stating. And so, you know, they want to kick it to Congress. So it's going to be up to us on January 6, 2025, to tell the rampaging Trump mobs that he's disqualified. And then we need bodyguards for everybody in civil war conditions, all because the nine justices, not all of them, but these justices who have not many cases to look at every year, not that much work to do, a huge staff, great protection. Simply do not want to. By the way, half the subpoenas I got

Starting point is 00:52:51 were from that guy right there. It's amazing, right? I mean, there wasn't a day that Jamie Raskin wasn't firing off subpoenas to us, but at the end of the day, guys, I don't, you know, it would actually be like the worst predicament you could be in, right? If you had this kind of game theory,

Starting point is 00:53:02 which is, you know, you get out of jail for the rest of your life, if you figure out an actual narrative that gets her elected, the problem is you can't go out back and erase four years of absolute incompetence, right? It's, you know, you have a company on, I was listed on a stock exchange that just absolutely fails, misses his earnings every single year

Starting point is 00:53:17 over a 10 year period of time. Congratulations, you're gonna have zero consumer confidence in that company, short of a major overhaul of all the board members and the CEO and the CEOO and everything else. Those people are going to be removed. How can you bamboozle? You can't.

Starting point is 00:53:33 People in this country are damn smart. They're damn smart. They can see a phony from a million miles away. They know when these people aren't answering questions. They listen to responses like this. They tied up the first, you know, three years of my father's presidency, going after him for a made up hoax

Starting point is 00:53:49 that they knew had zero validity to it, right? I was the guy that got the call. You know, we hear you have secret servers communicating with the Kremlin in the basement of Trump Tower. It's like, first of all, we don't have servers in the basement of Trump Tower. We're largely like cloud-based computing because we're kind of, you know, modern.

Starting point is 00:54:03 You know, second of all, like basements flood, right, which is the reason you don't have base, you know, the FBI knew day one that this whole narrative was BS, but they allowed it to get perpetrated on the American people for a three-year period of time because they thought it would help the other party. Now you're pitting two of the biggest nuclear superpowers, Russia and the United States, against each other. They let it happen. He's effectively admitting right now, Jamie Raskin, that he's going to do the exact same thing. Let's just try and use this article to go after him, to try and throw him out of government.

Starting point is 00:54:32 Let's try and make this massive spectacle. Guys, somebody has to run the United States of America. Somebody has to run our economy. Somebody has to negotiate trade deals. They're admitting their whole playbook right here, which is just do anything humanly possible to just absolutely take the guy down. How does a society function like that? How, you know, the reality is it doesn't, right? It doesn't. You have to remove this kind of thinking from government. Unfortunately,

Starting point is 00:54:56 it only goes one way, right? They never try and pull these stunts. I mean, if anybody was going to try and disqualify somebody from being president, it should have been the Republicans on Biden, when everybody knew the guy had no cognition left. Mm-hmm. You know, and they kind of stood above it and they didn't go down that rabbit hole. But Eric, how do we, like for instance, he said, because the article, section three of the 14th Amendment, it's saying no person, representative, senator, president, ex-president, shall have engaged in an insurrection or rebellion against the same.

Starting point is 00:55:22 There was no insurrection, there was no rebellion. He even said, peacefully, go there peaceful, don't hurt, don't do anything. This type of rhetoric though, like, is your father, are you guys getting ready for, like, cause this, like you said, it's out in the open. He's saying this is gonna happen cause it's looking like your father's gonna win. Guys getting ready for it?

Starting point is 00:55:38 That's what I'm saying. I can't, I know their playbook before they even run their playbook. That's how good I am at this game right now. Like, you know, you can see the train coming down the tracks from ten miles away Right and by the way most of this country can at this point right it was kind of back to the comment We had before how many times can you cry wolf before people you know just realize your crap? Yeah, you know you can you can see it coming

Starting point is 00:55:56 You know exactly what they're gonna do you know honestly the best thing that the Democratic Party could do is Honestly almost use Kamala's as a little bit of a sacrificial lamb and then rebuild a party with common sense and morals and values and appeal because people aren't buying it. I mean, look at the shift of Latinos. You know, we're over half the Latin. I mean, we've picked up 30 points in Latino vote in the last four year period of time. I mean, you have Jewish students in New York who literally can't walk across Columbia

Starting point is 00:56:25 without getting beaten up because of their faith. Like, have we lost our damn minds as a country, right? I mean, look at the African-American support, right? And when you have Tim Walsh, who has two accomplishments. One is putting tampons in boys' bathrooms in Minnesota. The other one is defunding police. And then you have these African-American communities are saying, no, no, I want safety.

Starting point is 00:56:46 Like I want my kids to be able to walk to school without absolute turmoil. And their policies aren't working. Their policies are driving people away. Maybe you should do a little inward reflection as you would if you were a CEO of a failing company and say, hey, what are we doing wrong? Where are we missing the mark?

Starting point is 00:57:05 And maybe you want to course correct a little bit, but these people are like incapable of course correcting. I mean, they're incapable of it. They're incapable of admitting they were wrong. Kamala's whole thing the other night, as everybody saw, it's, you know, do you stand by every decision Joe Biden's made? Yes, I do.

Starting point is 00:57:21 I can't imagine changing my position on any of these things. It's, yeah, it's made. Yes, I do. I can't imagine changing my position on any of these things. It's crazy. You know what's wild what happened. Tom, go ahead and say your thought because what I'm going to do is I'm going to transition out. Go ahead. No, I'm agreeing with Eric and I think there's we're at the intersection. I'm making a point here. Not really a question, but I am interested in what you think of that. I think we have found the Democrat Party at the intersection of arrogance and hubris, because if the people won't vote for it, what do they turn to?

Starting point is 00:57:53 Paper. They turn to subpoenas. They turn back to see if they can warp the view of a constitution, if a circuit judge somewhere will give them what they want and warp it. When the will of the people is not there, then they turn to paper. And I think the American voter is smart. Tom, let me ask you this.

Starting point is 00:58:12 Who do you think is the face of the Democratic Party right now? That's the most important question. Who do you think is the face of the Democratic Party? Well, two years ago, I would have said that there is still the fading sunset of Barack Obama, but I don't think he's it. But who is it today? Who is it? If it's not him? I think right now, scary, it's Gavin Newsom. that there is still the fading sunset of Barack Obama, but I don't think he's it. Who is it today? Who is it?

Starting point is 00:58:25 I think right now, scary, it's Gavin Newsom. Yeah, I. Okay, so let's say that's the face. Who do you think's the guy behind closed doors that's the guy that everybody calls, the top guy that everybody calls? It's still Obama. It's Obama.

Starting point is 00:58:41 Would you say it's Obama, or would you say it's someone else? I think it's a confluence of Obama slash the sources of the world who want to pay off every single kind of low level democratic positions so they can continue to have influence in perpetuity. So there's a lot of dirty money that goes into politics, right? You better believe that those guys have a massive seat at this table. Have you ever met Alex Soros?

Starting point is 00:59:00 I probably have at some point. I don't know. I don't remember the guy. I wouldn't be surprised if I crossed paths with him. The reason why I ask this question is the following reason. Buyers remorse, okay? Think about buyers remorse. Where you go, you buy something, you're like,

Starting point is 00:59:14 ah, changed my mind, can I return this, right? Okay, so who has the Democratic Party lost lately in the last eight years? Men. A guy named Elon Musk, you lost. You lost Tesla, he left you. Young men, you've lost young, do you see the statistics coming in of young men?

Starting point is 00:59:34 Just came out yesterday, I think, or two days ago, right? So then you have even girls that are being interviewed, you know, who would you rather date? Would you rather date a liberal man or a conservative man? I'd rather date a conservative man, right? So what is this? Young men leaving the Democratic Party? This is ridiculous.

Starting point is 00:59:50 Patrick, they lost Donald Trump. Yeah, well they lost Donald Trump. I'm not gonna lie, they lost him maybe a little bit earlier than the rest of these people, but I mean, they lost Donald Trump. Hey, let me give you something really interesting about- That's what I was about to go, TULSI, RFK. Look at the people you're losing.

Starting point is 01:00:03 Everybody's gone. I mean, I go all over the place right you have so many incredible Democrats in this country right but it's different than what you actually see up on TV like TV Democrats are very different than Democrats in this country. Go to Pennsylvania look at the steel workers they've been Democrats for three generations you know why because they wanted great working conditions they wanted you know great wages etc. I have people who come up to me oh my grandfather was Democrat my my father was Democrat, and kind of I've switched over to Trump, but they'd be rolling in their grave if they knew that

Starting point is 01:00:30 I was voting Republican. I go, let me ask you a question. Would your grandfather, the big steel worker in Pennsylvania, would your grandfather have approved six foot five guys, men my height, swimming in women's sports? No, no, he'd be rolling in his grave. Would he approve kind of transgender studies being talked to your fifth? Guys, I left New York because there was a school

Starting point is 01:00:50 that literally put up on the board, man, woman, boy, girl, and they'd literally ask your kids to identify where they were on that spectrum. These kids are like four years old, right? And I asked the question, would your grandfather, steel worker, tough as hell, right? You know, and I ask the question, would your grandfather, you know, steel worker, tough as hell, right, the toughest guys in the country,

Starting point is 01:01:07 would your grandfather have approved this nonsense? No, he would have been rolling in his grave, right? The reality is the Democratic Party over the last 30 years has left everyone. It has left everyone. And honestly, the crazier they get, the faster that whole kind of exodus gets perpetuated. By the way, this is one of the things

Starting point is 01:01:24 when you think about, you said Pittsburgh, right? The steel workers in US, okay, Rob, go to 1950s, you said three generations, right, Pittsburgh, when you're saying three generations. Rob, go to 1950s steel workers in US, just Google it. Go to 1950s total steel workers in US. The numbers should be around 700,000. If you go to one of the charts, if you can,

Starting point is 01:01:53 the numbers are on 700,000 is what we used to have. You should be able to find it. Anyways, that number today is 140,000. From 700,000 to 140,000. If you just use chat GPT right now Rob and Brandon if you listen to this, if you send it to Rob that would be great because it's right there. 1940 employed nearly 700,000. 700,000 in the 50s.

Starting point is 01:02:19 And reached its peak production in 69. Today we're at 140,000 out of the top 15 steel companies in the world. Zero is US, nine is China, and on top of that, go to Pittsburgh. I just pulled this up right now. Let's go look at the mayors in Pittsburgh. Go all the way to the bottom. All the way to the bottom right there. And let's go up. Zoom in a little bit.

Starting point is 01:02:41 Okay, 2022 to today. Ed Gainey, Democrat. Bill, Democrat. today. Ed Gainey, Democrat. Bill, Democrat. Luke, 06-14, Democrat. Bob O'Connor, Democrat. Thomas, 94-06, Democrat. Sophie, Democrat. Richard, Democrat.

Starting point is 01:02:55 This is 77, now this is pre-me being born. 54, Democrat. 53, this is 50s, Democrat. 52, Democrat. Watch what happens here, keep going. The 46-59, Democrat. Democrat 52 Democrat watch what happens here keep going They have 46 to 59 Democrat Democrat Democrat Republican bingo Republican You used to have jobs when you voted for Republicans, and you lost your jobs Pittsburgh You know what's happening right now people are sitting there saying dude I'm no longer the Democrat that you're explaining is not the Democrat of what it used to be think about it this way

Starting point is 01:03:24 episode 2016 Rogan and I are sitting together. And whether it was with me or Lex Friedman, he said I will never have Trump on. They've tried many times for me to have Trump on. And Rogan's like, I'm not gonna have him on, right? Rogan at one point said he's voting for Bernie Sanders. He said this publicly. I think he said it on an episode, could have been like six years ago, I don't know what it was, but he said he's voting for Bernie Sanders. He said this publicly. I think he said it on an episode,

Starting point is 01:03:46 could have been like six years ago, I don't know what it was, but he said he's voting for Bernie. So here's a guy that was a Bernie guy. Here's a guy that was one of the bigger reasons why marijuana became legal in many different places where he's given it. Here's a guy that's a man's man, UFC fighting guy, and today your father's sitting with him.

Starting point is 01:04:04 Is that not, but think about this, how do you lose Rogan? How do you lose Bobby? How do you lose Tulsi? How do you lose Ilad? You're losing these types of people and Trump the bookie man is gaining them? Wait, what?

Starting point is 01:04:19 By the way, today when they're doing a podcast together with Joe, there's a lot of numbers and data that you can look at. Joe being the greatest conversationalist and the number one podcast worldwide when he and I are sitting out and talking, he says, Pat, I don't know if you know or not, the podcast number one in 94 different countries

Starting point is 01:04:38 on Spotify. It's not just number one. 94 countries. Is where he's at, right? And he's dominating that game. After this, is it like, let the people talk and do their thing and let's see what's gonna happen November 5th.

Starting point is 01:04:55 Listen, yes and no. Obviously, I have huge respect for Rogan. I kind of grew up with the UFCs, right? I've seen him my entire life. We've known him for a while and share so, I share, you know, so many mutual friends But no, I listen I don't think you ever take your foot off the gas It's kind of like not in our DNA to do so No, but what I'm saying is this the last podcast you guys are doing after him?

Starting point is 01:05:15 It's done or is he still is still going on different things. It's probably the last kind of formal podcast, right? I might be there might be other Twitter spaces and other things with the Elan's and right and other people but Again, he's just not one of these guys that ever pulls his foot off the gas. He's, you know, let's go hot and heavy all the way to the end, right? There are no days off, there are no breaks, you know, there are no vacations. There's a guy who doesn't take vacation

Starting point is 01:05:35 and, you know, let's kind of go, let's go hot and heavy. So no, he's gonna be, he's gonna be running hard all the way through, but I mean, he just, he has to. I mean, that's in his DNA. You can't turn that DNA off, right? It's, you know, almost the thing he gets criticized the most for being a fighter is his greatest attribute. And the thing that you want most in a person,

Starting point is 01:05:50 which is like, can Mike Tyson turn off his punch? All right, he can't, right? He only has one speed and that's to hit hard. And my father in the same way is much like that. So now he'll absolutely charge through the next 12 days. But I don't think you'll have any podcasts that even remotely reaches the level of Rogan because it really is done, right?

Starting point is 01:06:07 I mean, the guy's been transformational to media. And by the way, I freaking love to see it. I love to see it. I love to see what you guys are doing. I love to see what Rogan's doing. I love to see what all these great podcasts, my wife, she's got a great podcast. I love to see what all of them are doing

Starting point is 01:06:21 because honestly, he's making the CNNs irrelevant. People are just consuming media in a very different way. And it kind of takes the corruption out of freedom of speech. I mean, you're doing as much for this whole effort as Elon Musk who was out there fighting for free speech every day, but just by being successful,

Starting point is 01:06:38 you're kind of champion freeing speech, right? And you're kind of making the others irrelevant, which I think is a great thing for this country and frankly the world. While we're on this topic, the one guy that's come around which is kind of weird, and I got a lot of heat for it at the beginning, I was like, you're such a, I bet you're going to turn Valuetainment into, this is all you're doing, why would you ever bring that piece of, I mean it was like, brother, it was insane. Who was saying this?

Starting point is 01:07:05 I don't even wanna say it, but trust me, it's the cream of the crop everybody was saying about us bringing Cuomo in here, right? And when we brought Cuomo in, we did a couple live podcasts with him and Candice, with him and Dave Smith. He sat down with Dave Smith, it was a tough one. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 01:07:21 It was, he was in a lion's, to be honest with you. Hey, yeah. It was. I don't know if anybody was, maybe 10 people were formed in the room and he came around and then yesterday he's doing a town hall, Rob, if you got this clip with JD Vans and he's, what a great moment, right? When he's with JD and he says, hey, matter of fact, I'll just let you watch this for yourself and I want you to react to this. So go ahead. Here's Chris Cuomo. Go ahead, Rob. Senator, you're going to want to sit down for this one. Oh no. Not unlike

Starting point is 01:07:47 Betelgeuse. If you invoke the former president's names too many times in a row, he's going to want to weigh in on what is being said about him. And we have a call right now from former president Donald John Trump. He wants to weigh in. Mr. President, I know there's a little bit of a delay. Can you hear us? And what is your question for the Senate? Well, I can hear you, Chris. And I do have a question and I think it'll be quite an interesting one. The answer should be easy She was not happy at all. Take your time.

Starting point is 01:08:28 Well, first of all, sir, this is supposed to be undecided voters. I would hope that I have your vote, of all people. But here's, first of all, sir, of course, you're very brilliant. And we both agree. We both agree that it's important to have very smart people running our government. But here's the thing about President Trump that aside of you, sir, if you'll forgive me for telling this story, that I think often people don't see. And of course, I've got my beautiful wife here in the front row. And one of my favorite moments with President Trump is we were

Starting point is 01:09:03 hosting an event for him near our home in Cincinnati a few months ago. And of course, you know, my wife was a little bit nervous to really talk to the president of the United States. And he asked her, what do you think about your husband being in public service? And she gives, if you know my wife, a very diplomatic answer. You know, sir, he really cares about the people of Ohio. He's thrilled to be able to serve them.

Starting point is 01:09:24 And I'm happy to support him however I can. And President Trump chuckles and goes, yeah, my wife hates it too. And the thing that it did is it just immediately broke the barrier and it wasn't the former president. It was just a person talking to my wife. And I think you guys were able to have a nice conversation, but that ability to relate to anybody in any environment, I think that's the true brilliance of Donald

Starting point is 01:09:48 J. Trump. So, by the way, another great moment. And if there's one person that's really grown on everybody's JD, but I want to focus on Chris for this moment now. How are you, how are you individually, yourself, you know, processing what's happened with Cuomo after leaving CNN, fired Don Lemon himself, him going to NewsNation, him coming on the... him doing all... who is Chris Cuomo to you guys now? So remember, Patrick, I knew all of these people and I knew them pre-politics, right?

Starting point is 01:10:16 Erin Brunette, she'd come over to Trump Tower, she'd have lunch with us all the time, right? You mentioned Mika and Joe the other day. I mean, Mika and Joe literally used to half-live in Mar-a-Lago. They'd go down there on weekends. They spent a tremendous amount of time down there. They were in our office all the time. I mean, they absolutely loved us. Donnie Deutsch. And I mean, I used to do Donnie Deutsch's show all the time

Starting point is 01:10:34 when he was on CNBC. I'd go across to Fort Lee and film. I mean, these people absolutely adored us until one moment. And that's when my father stepped foot on, I don't even think he said a word at that point. He stepped foot on that escalator. And then all of a sudden the light switch just shut off. And that's when my father stepped foot on, I don't even think he said a word at that point. He stepped foot on that escalator and then all of a sudden the light switch just shut off. And I knew Chris very well.

Starting point is 01:10:49 I knew him before CNN. I knew him at CNN. I mean, I did a show a ton of times in 2016 and all the years on CNN. And now I still go on a show on News Nation. And what's really remarkable is kind of the ebbs and flows of these people, right? On CNN, he had one gear and that's anti-Trump.

Starting point is 01:11:04 And now all of a sudden he realizes that he's no longer at CNN and no longer really works for his persona. And he's actually doing much better today than I think he ever was. He's actually gained kind of a following because, and I actually enjoy going on his show. It's good, you know, sometimes heated debate, but he can be sensible when he wasn't sensible on CNN whatsoever. And so, you know, the problem is, you know, how, at some point you've got to look at your heart

Starting point is 01:11:28 and soul and actually be sincere as an individual and have conviction and, you know, you kind of can't bop and weave and that's what creates mistrust. And so the question is, as good as he's done coming out of CNN, can he ever fully regain what somebody who didn't have that baggage, you know, because again, so many of the positions he took, or the Russia hoax that this, they were truly

Starting point is 01:11:52 nonsensical. And now all of a sudden, it sounds like he's making sense. Listen, he I'm not sure if he's any fan of ours to tell you the truth. He's still probably on the other side. But you know, at least he'll give honest answers and have a spirited debate and do so with with a smile on his face and ask a question like that or kind of pull a stunt like that. And listen, it's nice to see. I still think it's insincere if you look at character because I don't think if you really kind of

Starting point is 01:12:14 have moral conviction, can you change like that? I mean, it's... That's heavy, what you just said right there. And the part that I see with what you're saying, and I've spent a lot of time with him behind closed doors and on camera, and we've had a lot of discussions about this next, I'm a free agent campaign that he's on,

Starting point is 01:12:36 is the part that I think he relates to you and has sympathy for you, and maybe he's realizing that the unfairness of the media that attacked you and your family, including himself, is because his father was Mario Cuomo. And his father was a governor where- But I call BS on that, right? There should be no one that understands that game

Starting point is 01:12:58 better than him, knowing that his father was Mario Cuomo. That's exactly what I'm saying. Right, that's what I'm saying. So if you understood that game, you should be at least sympathetic to that game, right? I would think that would actually open your eyes. While he's in it? I don't know, more so than the random news host who grew up through different media markets in the country, worked their way up and have been blindly told what to say for 15 years

Starting point is 01:13:21 and only got their big break in life because they followed orders. Yeah, I kinda think he should be almost more discerning than those people. Maybe he's going through it. Maybe he's going through it now. Maybe he's seeing the light. By the way, I happen to like Chris, right? Like him and I, Chris and I do great together

Starting point is 01:13:36 and I love going on the show. Like I don't, and by the way, I loved going on one with CNN. I've never had a problem going into kind of the- What do you think about his brother? Do you have a relationship with him? Andrew? Less so. I mean, truthfully, I think he kind of got bamboozled in New York by the very same person

Starting point is 01:13:50 who went after us relentlessly, which was Leticia James. I mean, it's kind of interesting. She threw him out of the office in about three weeks, you know, tried to run for governor, got about 2% of the vote and then dropped out after creating mass carnage in the state. Right? I mean, yeah, my heart actually kind of goes out for his brother. And Chris and I have talked about this. I mean, Chris and I have talked about kind of the interesting nature of being a pretty prominent political figure in this country while trying to live independent lives. And obviously, he was in the business

Starting point is 01:14:22 world or the media world. And Chris and I have talked about this pretty extensively, but I don't know, I would hope his personal experiences with his father actually would have allowed him to be a little bit more sensitive, at least in terms of the family aspect of politics, you know, during the worst times, during the Russian nonsense, during the dirty dossiers, when they were trying to impeach him every single day. I mean, he was out there leading the charge on this crap right? And you know what's interesting is you know karma, karma oftentimes is kind of far too slow but karma ultimately kind of in a certain way came around. I mean

Starting point is 01:14:54 the very thing that he was attacking us for was ultimately kind of almost what allowed him to get thrown out of out of office right? It was almost like the demise of you know the Cuomo dynasty in in in New York and so I Don't know and I wish you would have been able to see that. I said I mean I'm an outsider I'm not on the inside. I'm not Trump. I'm not Cuomo. I'm bad David I'm a you know in a very different lens so I can look both independently everybody knows where I lie and how I feel about your pops. We don't

Starting point is 01:15:26 walk on eggshells and we're uncomfortable to kind of share our opinions and we've been on some many heated battles with this. But sometimes to me, it's kind of like Bobby. How Bobby is now in. Look at the role that he plays, Bobby Kennedy or Tulsi. Look where Tulsi was at. And now I'm a Republican wait what Tulsi she's a Republican now Yeah, and the support that she brings in and even in the Old Testament. I mean New Testament you look at 25% of New Testament I think Paul I don't know how much of it New Testament Paul wrote a majority of it Paul wrote right who was Paul before Paul Became Paul he was Saul and what a Saul do so. I mean, I think I think this next phase of independent broadcasting,

Starting point is 01:16:06 podcasting that's gonna come up, I think the next eight years to 12 years is gonna be very weird. And we're gonna look at it in 2020, and we're gonna be like, what the F happened in 16? Can I tell you the one difference, Phil? Yeah, go ahead. When Bobby Kennedy got out of the race, right,

Starting point is 01:16:24 and ultimately endorsed my father, I think every person listening to us right now should go listen to it because there's maybe one like the great takedowns of what's happened across his life and the way they tried to weaponize the system to kind of screw him. It was phenomenal. Right? It was, I would listen to it every single day because he was so perfect, right? And I have such immense respect for him.

Starting point is 01:16:41 We've known him for kind of a very long time. It's no different than they did with Bernie Sanders, right? They screwed Bernie Sanders. The difference is Bernie Sanders has never actually come out and said they kind of screwed me, right? And now I see the light. Chris Cuomo has never really come out and said, listen, like I see real flaws, right?

Starting point is 01:16:58 And now I realize that, you know, we went pretty deep and it was probably unfair. And my whole new mantra in life is gonna be having at least an additional lens, right? In which I view the prism of the world. The problem is he hasn't really done that. He's never really acknowledged it. What he is doing is trying to tack

Starting point is 01:17:17 a little bit further to the right. It's not much further, but a little bit further to the right. Because frankly, I mean, CNN was running 300,000 people a night. It was probably the lowest watched show on TV. I mean, reruns of the Brady Bunch were beating CNN at one point. So I think you realize he had to tack right. Is that for his career or is that because he actually... So I just wish like Bobby, he came out and said, listen, the mainstream media, there's a real problem with it and and some of the things at CNN

Starting point is 01:17:46 There's a real problem with it and and I've seen the light and I've seen the prison I'm gonna try and be more objective and I think I'd have a lot of respect for him if he did this and I will Give this last one and we can transition and if you want to say anything else back, please but if you don't we can go to next story is the part when I hear him out and I see where he's at, you know the whole concept of, I've interviewed a lot of mobsters, a lot of them, and I was the first to interview a lot of these guys. Sammy DeBolt, he's coming out of jail,

Starting point is 01:18:14 I'm the first to interview him right after Diane Sawyer. He's like, you know, how many views, Diane Sawyer? When she sat down with me, she got 20 million views. You think you're gonna beat that? I said, Sammy, we're gonna get more than 20 million. Now who are you? Who do you think? And we're like, we're gonna get shot tonight, right?

Starting point is 01:18:28 We're in Arizona. And then we do the interview with Sammy, boom. Not the clips, just the interview, 22 million views. It's like, hey, you beat Dianne Soren. I'm like, yeah. So we've sat with him. We've had with Sammy, Michael Francis, Frank Colada, the guy from Tony Spallatra that in the movie Casino.

Starting point is 01:18:43 The one. Put in a vice. Put in the vice, put in a vice or even Oscar Goodman. Anyways, I can give a list of Phil Leonetti calls me, you know, who was the under boss of you should know who Phil Leonetti is because Jersey, all those guys, Philly, Nikki Scarfo and you know, Ralph Natale, the former boss of the Philadelphia crime family. So when you interview these guys, you'll learn. And the reason why I interviewed these guys because there's a dirtiness in politics like you said at

Starting point is 01:19:06 least in business we're like look you're gonna make two million more than I am screw it let's do it because I'm gonna win in this way let's do the deal right and we both want to make sure this project wins. Politics doesn't work that with a little dirty. The Roy Korn rule is what? Attack, attack, attack never accept defeat and always claim victory right and he's written about in the Sammy book Cohen rule is what? Attack, attack, attack, never accept defeat and always claim victory, right? And he's written about in the Sammy book, in the Omerta book, in the mob book.

Starting point is 01:19:32 Roy, you know, you study the mob stuff, these guys that was interviewed them eight years ago, nine years ago, five years ago. Roy was a discussion with every one of these guys that would come up. So I think there's a part with Chris that he watches how your father has never accepted, you know, like he's always in that offensive mode. It's the alpha part to say I'm also not gonna give in. I think that's the part where

Starting point is 01:19:55 100% where by the way and but there's there's one caveat that I'm gonna say that he's not gonna like. Chris don't watch the next minute. Please don't watch the next minute. You got a big show tonight Do your thing skip today's podcast don't text me. We talked earlier today skip it. Here's the next I told him Yeah today early morning. I see you did a great job with what he called it with Vance. I thought it was great. But here's a part that you have to understand. Okay Sometimes You forget that there's levels to the game.

Starting point is 01:20:26 You may be an alpha in a city, but you're not an alpha in that state. You may be an alpha in a state, but you're not the alpha of the region. You may be an alpha of the region, but you're not the alpha of the country. You may be the alpha of the country, but you're not the alpha of the continent.

Starting point is 01:20:39 You may be the alpha of the continent, but you're not the alpha of the world. This is the alpha of the world right now. There's different levels to the game with Alphas. I mean, if you wanna like, you know what I'm saying? Like don't go Alpha and do the measuring contest of where you are. You know, men will understand what I'm talking.

Starting point is 01:20:56 That's the only thing. That sometimes you have to have this conversation. You just gotta say, look bro, there is one of that right now, leave it alone, it's his time. Play your part, go kick some ass. You're very important, do your thing. that right now leave it alone. It's his time play your part go kick some ass You're very important do your thing anyways, but let's transition you said something Russia Russia Russia, right? There was a very unique moment on CNA yesterday time I want to get everybody's inside of feedback on this year, which I thought it was so awkward and weird

Starting point is 01:21:19 I don't know if you caught this Eric or not. I'll play it for you guys Robbets when I just texted you I don't know if you have it or not I literally just texted it to you, you put a thumbs up on it, I think you have it. They're on this show and they're going back and forth and while you're watching this, this guy right here is just giving his perspective, Scott Jennings of Kentucky, right?

Starting point is 01:21:40 He's giving his perspective and then he makes the mistake, Vinny, of slightly bringing up Doug and he says to him, don't go there because I can't defend you if you get sued for defamation. Really? Now, this is the same organization that said for years Russia, Russia, Russia and why they've lost so much credibility. This is such an awkward moment, maybe the worst moment of CNN in the last 30 days. Go ahead Rob.

Starting point is 01:22:09 I gotta tell you, this campaign is, so everything that's said about Donald Trump and his treatment of women and the gender gap in this campaign, this rapper who I fully admit sold a lot of records, if you've read some of the things he has said about the promotion of domestic violence. And you also consider some of the questions that are swirling around Harris' own husband in this regard. Oh my God. OK, you don't even get 12 seconds. I'm not going to let you go into the far end of the end. I'm just telling you, Scott, you can't get.

Starting point is 01:22:55 It's OK. Listen, I can't represent you. No, wait, wait, wait, wait. Rewind it. I want the audience to hear this. Rewind it right there. Just let it go and don't say anything. Just listen.

Starting point is 01:23:04 Go ahead. ...consider some of the questions that are swirling around Harris' own husband in this regard. Oh my God. Okay, you don't even get 12 seconds. Wait a second. I'm not going to let you go into the far end of the end. Listen, I'm just telling you, Scott, you can't...

Starting point is 01:23:15 Hey, hey, hey. Listen, I can't represent you in the defamation case. We're going to stop here for a second. Play the last three seconds. Go back three seconds. I can't represent you in the defamation case. Go ahead. I can't represent you in the defamation case. No problem. So how about Trump and his entire family sues CNN for all the Russia collusion stuff and keeps you guys in court? I'm sorry. How about what you guys did? What happened with that? Oh, that $35 million dossier, like this? So nobody can talk about that?

Starting point is 01:23:50 So when you see stuff like this, first, what does it do to your blood? That's number one. Like if we can measure your blood pressure right now. Two, do you think this is one of the reasons why these guys are losing as much credibility as they are? Well, obviously yes, the answer to that question, what does it do? You wouldn't believe how desensitized I am to this kind of stuff.

Starting point is 01:24:10 I remember, you're good friends with Alina Hobbs, she's one of our attorneys. I'll never forget, she calls me up one night and she's crying. It's her first time, I think it was Newsweek, did like a hit piece on her. And she's crying, she's a basky case and I hold her in super high esteem and I start laughing. I go, Alina, I'm literally a guy who's out there every single day on the stage I've probably done more on the political side of this thing I run, you know, seven eight billion dollar company have done so very very well guided it through absolute turmoil Which was obviously the Russian investigations and everything they tried to do to kind of put us put us under and yet

Starting point is 01:24:41 I'm the guy on Saturday night live every night that's playing around with a fidget spinner, right? I mean like this is literally, you know, if you let this stuff bother you You're going to be dead. In fact the exact opposite, you know You should almost find it endearing at a certain point, right? The harder they hate you the more effective you're being, right? And we've all seen that in our lives. You've had Patrick You've definitely seen that in your life and you know, I actually almost take as a badge of you know of I I've definitely seen that in your life. And I actually almost take as a badge of, I know their game.

Starting point is 01:25:06 Guys, we know the game that they play. And I also, you have to be able to compartmentalize life and realize that it's all a game. And we know where they sit and we know why they're being told to say certain things. And we know why a lot of things are done. Does it surprise anybody here that Soros just bought all the radio stations in this country?

Starting point is 01:25:22 Do you think Soros is just infatuated with old school radio? He's a collector. He's a collector. He's doing that for a reason, right? And there's been many examples of that. And you have to realize the game that it is. And so, yeah, is it infuriating on a personal level because it's just, you know, the double standards exist?

Starting point is 01:25:40 How in the world could a guy like me get 111 subpoenas? Yet, you know, Hunter Biden, who's doing crack, you know, pictures with hookers all over the place, doing unthinkable things, you know, a laptop is as we say, from hell, sitting on boards of every natural gas company in Ukraine while his father is actively, you know, kind of, you know, trying to strip our rights to drill in this country. And they, they, they come, after they come after this guy, right. For, for the nonsense. I understand the two sided nature of this game and you come after this guy, right? For the nonsense.

Starting point is 01:26:05 I understand the two-sided nature of this game and you have to be able to compartmentalize that and if you dwell on it and if you let that feed into your soul, listen, it will kill you because there's no way to stop it, right? So we become intensely desensitized. Adom, how do you process that? You see this, you see what he's saying, how do you process that? I'm talking the moment where he's like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Stop him, stop her.

Starting point is 01:26:27 You can't say anything about Doug Emhoff. How do you process that? Specifically about that or- That specific part. Well, the hardest thing to do, I think in general, and I've had to go through this, is admit that you were wrong and admit that you fell for it.

Starting point is 01:26:42 I fell for the Russia thing. And by the way, I have countless amounts of friends that fell for it. Every American fell for it. I fell for the Russia thing. And by the way, I have countless amounts of friends that fell for it. Every American fell for it. Why would we not think this? Every morning I would wake up and I did well for myself and I had the opportunity to kind of work remote, work from home and things were good.

Starting point is 01:26:59 Every morning I would watch Morning Joe. But why did I watch Morning Joe? It's because what they conveyed was here's this Republican guy that came in through the Tea Party, conservative. Here's this Mika Brzezinski lady, the daughter of Zbigniew Brzezinski that was under the Carter administration. They had credibility. So if you're just an everyday American, all right, that's what's on TV, you're going to fall for it. I'm sorry. But the hardest thing to do is say, man, they got me. What do I do now? Yeah. No, no, no, no. Trump's

Starting point is 01:27:32 lying. He's the bad guy. The hardest thing to do is like, yeah, you got me guys. My bad. And then publicly say, this is my bad. Yeah. what they're not willing to do whether it's Macari Sellers or some of these other people they do not have the humility you said hubris and pride What's what's the definition of hubris excessive pride? No, no, Doug. I'm off would never do that I don't gonna defend you in a in a libel case. It's like Stories might be true here, buddy, but they don't have the humility and they're always going to do the blue no matter who thing. The hardest thing to do is admit defeat, admit you were wrong.

Starting point is 01:28:13 And I think there's a lot of people in America. I'm seeing it everywhere, all over the internet, all over Twitter, everyone I talked to, because they know what I was and know who I am now. And they're like, proud of you, buddy. Like congratulations. And I think more people are doing that and we're seeing that become pervasive around the United States and that's why Trump's going to win this election. And everybody had a little moment, which is interesting, right?

Starting point is 01:28:32 It's, it's, it's where the wall kind of fractured, right? If for you, it sounds like the wall kind of fractured at Russia when you realize that that was a whole other thing around here. It's a slow drip and a lot of people don't, everyone lives in echo chambers and they just want confirmation bias. And I get so many texts from friends and they're like, I don't even know you these days. I'm like, I'm the same dude, bro. I'm just a little wiser now.

Starting point is 01:28:55 Maybe you're the person that's not willing to look in the mirror. No, no, no. But as you were saying, sir, no, I listen, I think that's right. And I think that's what, you know, oftentimes people look at kind of what wants to be written on their tombstone. Right. And I look at my father oftentimes and I say, you know, 10 years ago would have been unbelievable developer, the best kind of builder, right. You know, maybe after the apprentice, right. And how big of a hit that whole thing was. It's small potatoes compared to obviously what we've been through

Starting point is 01:29:20 in the last 10 years. But you know, maybe it's great developer, great entertainer. In a certain way, I actually, I go back to it and I say this a lot, I really think his greatest legacy is actually going to be uncovering BS. The ability to, it's like this unvarnished honesty that he has exposed the American public to on so many different issues that have caused us to otherwise question things that we might not have otherwise questioned before, right? And have kind of critical thinking.

Starting point is 01:29:48 And I think that really changes the world for, people have more expression now, people are more willing to kind of, going back to 2016, I can't tell you how many people would come up to me and say, hey, they whisper in my ear, hey, I'm voting for your father. They no longer whisper anymore, right?

Starting point is 01:30:04 And that's guys, that's a damn beautiful thing for this country, it's a damn beautiful thing for the world. And by the way, I hope that empowers people all across the world because- Can I tell you one more thing that changed? I remember in 2016, people being shamed for voting for Trump, especially men. Now I'm starting to see people being shamed,

Starting point is 01:30:22 like, dude, you're voting for, what are you doing? Well, I mean think about like the whole we call like the whole like frat boy syndrome, right? But it you know think think about you know for the longest time. It's like, you know, I I agree I'm gonna be progressive I like listening to what these professors say and you know I kind of believe in it now all of a sudden you've got this whole movement where it's almost cool to be like almost defiant against You know kind of the indoctrination of higher education that's trying to brainwash you in so many ways. And all of a sudden you see this young group of kids who are in a certain way at testosterone is raging, but they're also at

Starting point is 01:30:55 a fragile area in their life. They're trying to come out of college. They're trying to balance, Hey, do I get good grades or do I stick up for my beliefs? Right. I mean, there's a lot of moral questions in there. And a lot of times these kids are coming out to this whole point, I'm actually gonna stick up for my beliefs. And it's a beautiful thing. And you didn't see that in 2020. You certainly didn't see that in 2016. You know, I mean, the world's really changed a lot in the last four years.

Starting point is 01:31:14 Tom, your thoughts. You see something like this. And again, I want to emphasize the main specific part, which is no, the clip we were looking at, not what Rob is showing right now, the clip we were looking at not what Rob is shown right now the clip we were looking at where a mainstream media CNN their job is to do journalism they're not even willing to entertain the possibility that some of the Doug Gimhoff stories are accurate yet anything that's even risky that has not been verified source anonymous sources told us that Donald Trump XYZ and they'll take it but they will not go with one that was in daylight all these stories hey allegedly we heard the story that Doug Emhoff

Starting point is 01:31:54 dot-dot-dot-dot-dot why do you how do you think that impacts the viewers well the viewers in the search you look at the surveys of what Americans think of news media and the trustworthiness of news media right now. It's at an all-time low. The trustworthy, it used to be Congress had like a 21%, help me out, the approval rating. It was like hovering like Congress. Media is single digits now. And the media is now below government in terms of approval ratings and the opinion of the

Starting point is 01:32:22 US consumer. And so I look at it and people say, what do you think about the opinion of the US consumer. And so I look at it, and people say, what do you think about the credibility of CNN there? I'm like, look, it's hard to lose what's already lost, right? The American viewer has voted and said, we don't find a lot of credibility in the news media. Point one. And then point two, you know what I see in there?

Starting point is 01:32:41 I see it's contrived. Their positions on TV are contrived the producer in their ear is is pulling triggers and When we see everybody two weeks ago use the word testy testy testy testy and all the news coverage They're all they're texting each other the word of the day will be testy. Oh, it was a testy exchange Don't make it look too bad really That's where you're gonna go with it And now you've got the producer and everybody else was like we don't touch Doug the entire media landscape is in collusion

Starting point is 01:33:16 They're in absolute political collusion among themselves. We don't touch Doug and the minute he put that out You know why because it's true because it true. Because he hit a woman in public. Because he impregnated a nanny. And those are things that don't play well for a guy who wants to be first gentleman. That's not gonna work. That's not gonna work. And so I look at it and I say, you know what? That's it. And something you said about being in the headlines, there's an endearing part to it It's kind of funny we came from LA and there was an ancient publicist in LA that the way the story goes I think he was giving the the advice to Wasserman Len or Lou Wasserman he was giving the advice to him. He said did you see what they wrote?

Starting point is 01:33:59 Did you do see what they wrote? I can't believe what they wrote and he said Calm down buddy your's in the papers. And if your name's in, their name's not. He says, have a coffee. Call me later. And it was I'm paraphrasing. But there was that that point in Hollywood where, you know what? If they're talking about you, there's actually something good to it. Yeah. But like acting the attention.

Starting point is 01:34:22 And if they're trying to take you down, it means you're relevant. It means you're relevant and you're kind of, you know, and guys, one of the other things that's been really fascinating me over the last 10 year period of time, the amount of times people I've done articles with people, you know, some writer will come in from, you know, the New York Times or something and they'll leave their, hey, I'm really impressed with you. You're really sharp. You seem like a great guy.

Starting point is 01:34:43 You know, obviously you run a great company. You've endured absolute hell through this whole process, you know. And then all of a sudden you get the text later on, hey, my editor took a really kind of stiff pen, stiff pen to the story. I go, what do you mean it's not your story? Like your editor wasn't in that room with us. Hey, a lot of parts were changed and I'm sorry. You know how many times I've heard that? You know, where it's, they go back, they write something that's probably not perfect, that one's perfect, right? But they write something that they think is at least accurate and then the narrative gets changed by a person

Starting point is 01:35:10 who's being paid the big bucks on the editorial desk who's never actually looked you in the eye. Got a question for you. So, McCarthy is here, Kevin McCarthy's on a podcast two weeks ago. We had a conversation last night because we're doing something in DC in three weeks. And one of the things, I'm mentioning certain names.

Starting point is 01:35:29 I think this guy's gonna run in 2028. I think that guy's gonna run in 2028. We're dropping all these names. And then we go to the new property that we have, I'm showing the whole place around, and he says, that name you mentioned, I don't think he'll cut it. I said, why do you think that is?

Starting point is 01:35:42 He says, you have to realize, Pat, most of these guys are not battle tested. He said, that's the one thing most people don't think he'll cut it. I said, why do you think that is? He says, you have to realize, Pat, most of these guys are not battle tested. He said, that's the one thing most people don't realize, how valuable that skill set is. You know how Roger Stone in his book, he talks about the candidates running for office. One of the things is like, fame and followership and influence and Trump had that early on

Starting point is 01:36:00 and that conversation that's being had and even Pat Nixon telling Trump, if you ever run, I think this guy's gonna be a president. Richard Nixon saying, I think you're gonna be a president one day if you run, right? You've both done this, right? Which as a kid watching Dad, and now you're your own man and you're seeing it as a grown man who's seen a bunch of,

Starting point is 01:36:23 you got a family, you're married to an incredible woman who's tough who's strong who is independent who's got a very influential role right now that you know you know she's not one that can be pushed around you can't be so to the average person that's watching this you know there's a couple podcasters that can't handle the pressure that comes with doing a podcast I'm gonna leave because it's so hard you think this is our So how do you become battle-tested when you look at somebody as an opponent that's going through like I don't know that guy's gonna Be what handled criticism. What are qualities of battle-tested guys? I think you have to go into that battle a lot of times right and and and I think we probably face that battle every single

Starting point is 01:37:00 day, but I Gotta bring you back to the apprentice for a second because I saw this from a really early age. We got thrown on that show super early. I did seven, eight seasons. And I'll never forget that sit there. You had all the celebrity apprentice, right? And you'd have a hundred cameras, NBC. This is prime time shows. So literally kept NBC alive. The irony of the fact that the apprentice kept the NBC alive and now they kill us every single day is like, you know, shocking to me. But you'd have 30 cameras, you know, you'd have a couple on each candidate and you'd have a few on my father, you'd have the big booms that were going up in the air and you'd have one of these major CEOs from one of these companies come in.

Starting point is 01:37:30 Do you generally know how you're going to deliver the task? Sir, Fortune 500 CEO, I'm battle tested, I'm hardened, I will deliver and literally all of a sudden. So what do you think, John? The lights all flick on and they just turn to absolute push and and what's interesting is Never think that those top CEOs in this you know This country are the tough ones are the ones with spine I've seen people that you would have never thought had an ounce of spine who are the toughest bastards in the world and I've seen

Starting point is 01:37:57 People who are otherwise put up on the pedestal All right top people in government top people in commerce, who literally melted like a fricking marshmallow. I mean, less than, like, you know, my five-year-old daughter has substantially more spine than they do, and it's remarkable to see. So I think first you have to have it in your genetics. I think you just have to have a, you know, first of all, be principled, right?

Starting point is 01:38:20 And, you know, want to have a spine, that's important. You know, and then obviously being battle tested over and over and over where you finally realize to that kind of funny comment I made about that bad article that came out about that person, you've got to finally realize it doesn't matter. You put things in perspective and when you start to understand the game for what it is, I think that's when you really get the confidence

Starting point is 01:38:41 and you grow that backbone that's so important. I know we're talking about 2024, but you've made claims that and you grow that backbone that's so important. I know we're talking about 2024, but you've made claims that you may wanna run on the future yourself. You seem like you, and the way at the RNC when you spoke, I think you were second to the last speaker to the president and he has to prove that agenda.

Starting point is 01:39:00 Well, I've ran events for the last 20 years. I've confirmed the last closing speaker right before me. That's intentional, that's intentional. I mean, whoever ran it, I'm not saying that person didn't decide and I think it was your wife. I don't know who ran the whole schedule, but No, there's only one person that runs the whole thing. That's exactly what I'm saying. I don't want to step on anybody's toes because it's family and it's your wife. But what I'm saying is, is there an element of you kind of watching this saying I'm battle tested, 111 subpoenas,

Starting point is 01:39:25 I think I'm gonna do something as well politically and maybe you have the itch? Listen guys, I care. What I'll tell you is politics is just a shitty business, and I'm not talking about from the, just from every, they try, you trying and do everything right. My father's probably the first guy that's lost the arrows off his balance sheet.

Starting point is 01:39:46 Look at Obama, he's a community organizer, now he owns the biggest house in Martha's Vineyard, right? I mean, something's really, I mean, Hillary Clinton, they had nothing when they came out of the White House and she was the senator for all these years and she's worth hundreds of millions of dollars. Nancy Pelosi, her and her husband, I mean, they make Warren Buffett look like a bad investor

Starting point is 01:40:02 based on the fact that, you know, I mean, it's amazing. My father goes, listen, I don't care how much it costs me. I don't care how many businesses I have to shut down. I don't care how much I have to pay in legal fees. I wanna go in and I wanna save this for public because we're going to shit. And you have to really care.

Starting point is 01:40:17 And we do as a family, we really, really care as a family. Believe me, we get nothing out of this. In fact, we get less than zero out of this. We've gotten shot at in every single way, literally and figuratively at this point. And so would I do it? I think I could. I clearly love the fight and I love everything

Starting point is 01:40:36 that this country stands for because we have the best country in the world. There's no question about it. You do have to at some point acknowledge the toll it takes on your family. The interesting thing about us, and people often ask why my father didn't run in 2008 or 2012.

Starting point is 01:40:47 And I always tell them that the real answer, right, despite, you know, we weren't ready. You know, he looked at me when I was 34 years old, he goes, I need to run this company, you know, I need you to go around this company because I'm going to be doing something else. And, you know, here I am as a 34 year old dealing with the hundreds of subpoenas while trying to run a many billion dollar company while, to navigate the turmoil that's coming out of politics. They're trying to cancel us.

Starting point is 01:41:10 They're harassing employees. They're trying to cancel business. They're harassing every bride who's trying to have a peaceful wedding at one of our beautiful properties around the world. I mean, this is the games that they're playing. They put us totally under siege. But that's fine. We had that backbone. I mean, this is the games that they're playing. They put us totally under siege and, you know, it's, but that's fine. We also, we had that backbone.

Starting point is 01:41:28 We had been tested as much as you could have been tested between the business world, you know, obviously the entertainment world, you know, being on camera understanding the media and kind of understanding life. But we were still virgins to this whole process, make no mistake about it. You have to be willing to allow your family to come into that role because they will be ruthless

Starting point is 01:41:44 and they will try and take them out, right? And a lot of people, it's what we have to change willing to allow your family to come into that role because they will be ruthless and they will try and take them out, right? And a lot of people, it's what we have to change about this country. You're going to have bad candidates who do a bad job for this nation if we can't get to kind of a place of civility. Forget about the candidates, right? The candidates have to be big boys and big girls, right? But I think you have to take the extracurriculars out of it. And I think that's the only thing that'd be holding Me back at least in at this point in my life. So in other words, yes So but let me go to the documentary the man you don't know

Starting point is 01:42:13 Okay we watched the documentary and there is a there is a scene which was very interesting and again the reason why I bring this up is I'm sizing everybody up who's battle tested. And if you're battle tested, the other guys are not. The list you gotta make is battle tested guys, right? So any of the stuff from Trump's camp is part of that camp. So in the documentary, I don't know if it was you or Don, but one of the things is before your father makes it down the escalator, right?

Starting point is 01:42:41 The whole escalator scene that everyone knows from that moment on and he's going down. Don said, we got into the elevator to come down. If you know what he says, he says, when we got in the elevator and we got down, my father said something to us. He says, we're about to find out who's with us and who's against us. It was actually in his office.

Starting point is 01:43:03 He said in his office. It was his office right before he came down. He goes know you're gonna learn you know two things you're gonna learn who your real friends are you know you're gonna learn that very quickly and you're gonna see maybe one most vicious fights you'll ever see right it's he was right I mean but in terms of learning who your real friends were I mean we found that out quickly. Let me ask you who was the that you can say who was the biggest surprise that you said now that guy's gonna have us She's gonna have us they're gonna have us who was the biggest one that you could say they thought that have you back that they? Didn't know what my best friends. I mean a guy grew up with him and his brother

Starting point is 01:43:36 Yeah, I'm out of literally I did totally deserted and this was guy made every vacation every this every that I mean Barring and call I mean, just closest friend in the world disappeared like that. And then what's amazing is I had friends that came into my life who I didn't know from a hole in the wall. They didn't come in because of politics. They came in because they really believed in the fight long before when the New York Times was giving us

Starting point is 01:43:57 a 1.9% chance of winning on election morning, they were there months before. We didn't have anybody guys. We didn't have any endorsements We had it was Don my father myself and you know Laura effectively out there fighting every day, right? I mean, there's very few people in a small ragtag campaign team that didn't really know much about campaigns your sister, you know yeah, evoke was there and and But I'm talking about a very very small group of people. I'm in you know

Starting point is 01:44:22 I remember my father who's going like New Hampshire something he calls me up Megyn Kelly wasn't a big fan of ours of this I've got He calls me up, Megyn Kelly wasn't a big fan of ours. I've got a great relationship with her now, but wasn't a big fan of ours at the time. And he goes, hey, she's gonna kill me on immigration tonight. Can you go on Megyn Kelly and talk about immigration? I go, pops, I built a freaking hotel. I don't know a damn thing about immigration.

Starting point is 01:44:37 What the hell do I know about immigration? But I go, sure, no problem. I'll go on Megyn Kelly and I'll figure it out. And we knew, but I'm telling you, man, I had people in my life that were the greatest disappointments and people who you never would have thought would have exited your life.

Starting point is 01:44:49 I mean, lifelong friends, dear friends, best friends, every vacation, growing up together from the age of six, disappear from your lives for really no parent reason. And oftentimes it's girlfriends or wives, in that case it was. And then I had people come into my life who didn't need to be in the fight, who got nothing out of the fight, who really believed, who had heart and soul. And honestly, I'll take one of them over a hundred of the others any day.

Starting point is 01:45:11 It's crazy you say this. Like, 20 years ago, I'm at Saddle Ranch. You know where Saddle, not even 20 years ago, 99. What is 99? Universal? 25 years ago. And Universal? Saddle Ranch, Hollywood.

Starting point is 01:45:22 Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. We're at this place testing out the mechanical bulls, just making sure it works. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we're doing very, it's like an inspection that we're going through. After a lot of cocktails. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:45:35 Wow, back then it was, we were sponsored by something else, but anyways, Jose was our friend back then. Army days, you get out, you wanna make sure you contribute. Anyways, so one of my friends, Armand, God bless his soul, he's no longer with us, who was my guy, he's 5'7", 5'8", outside, picking on a guy that's 6'5", chiseled, right?

Starting point is 01:45:56 And he always liked to fight, okay? And he would, he used to say his fight was, you know what guy we fought? He had one punch, It's the first punch. That was his fight. If he missed, it's over. But he wasn't the push, and then you push, and then punch. No, just punch.

Starting point is 01:46:11 He just punched, and then you don't know what's gonna happen. Hopefully friends come and help him out, right? So we're at this place, and you're kind of like, I see him, I'm like, oh guys, we gotta go. We go, and then it's 35 guys from the Santa Barbara frat, whatever they were doing. Holy shit, the fight turns into a brawl.

Starting point is 01:46:29 And one guy we all thought that was gonna be there with us, ran off, cops come, we run off, we get in the car, everybody's changing outfits so they look like somebody else. But it's only in those moments that you find out who's game and who's ready for the fight. And there's something happened to the spirit. General Patton talked about this. When you go to war, you learn about someone's spirit, boom.

Starting point is 01:46:54 Everybody talks shit and then there's war and you're like, whoa, you don't have it, bro. That is insane. I thought you would for sure have it. Man, you are a coward. You just threw me under the bus in half a second. that guy's got it. Who are you? It's such a beautiful thing I always say it's cathartic in a certain way It's it's it's it's a beautiful thing when you can see because you can get people out of your life that otherwise probably shouldn't have Been there, you know and right and you can also filter system. Yeah, there's no question about it

Starting point is 01:47:22 There's absolutely no question about it Some of the best friends I had came into my life and they would have never found their way into my life had it not been for You know for that kind of process and then you lose others But you realize it doesn't make a whole lot of difference and if that makes sense No, it doesn't you're right and and you almost need to go through it to be ready for the next phase Which listen part of the game that's exciting to see that taking place adam. You look like you got a question I just wanna, you said when you went down the elevator, your friends, everything, that how much more equipped

Starting point is 01:47:50 are you guys as a family, as a unit, starting from your dad to even Melania, to your brothers, to your sister. I understand your sister and Jared probably won't be a part of this upcoming administration. You know, they say that Washington, DC is like Hollywood, but for ugly people. You guys are the best looking family ever to grace the White House. And I mean, no joke. I mean, from everyone associated with this, how much more equipped are you guys ready now in 2024 2025

Starting point is 01:48:18 than you were in 2016? Oh my god, guys, as I said before, I can see the, I can see the game from mile away. I know the game that they're gonna play before they actually play that game So and and I do think we were probably naive going in the first time not you're not I think the whole country was not a little bit naive going in as to what the actual game was I always say that honestly I think the greatest moment in my life will be in a January 21st You know right after inauguration right after he you know leaves the stage the day before I want to just pop some popcorn sit back on the couch and and just watch the show because it's going to be amazing I mean, he knows where the corruption is. He knows where the nonsense that he can fix the problems

Starting point is 01:48:53 He can fix immigration second one, you know day one he can get energy prices down. He can fix the economy He can restore relations. He can stop the war the bloodshed that the senseless dying He can put ir Iran in their place. So Israel's not getting shot at every single day. He can do that in the first hour that he's in office. He knows how to do it. And honestly, it won't even be hard for him to do. And to me, that's hugely exciting.

Starting point is 01:49:16 It's hugely exciting. We get it. We get the system. We get the game. And also, I think we've got a little bit of a kind of proverbial bulletproof vest on now, right? Again, it doesn't, yeah. Well, I mean, we need a, he needs a real bulletproof vest and you know, people are trying to kill him. All right. There are foreign actors that are trying to kill him. And I know that's a controversial

Starting point is 01:49:36 statement, but it's fact. But in terms of kind of the nonsense, it doesn't stick the way it did before, because again, people get their games. And so I hope, and I trust aside from the Jamie Raskins, those people who were just, you know, lunatics, I truly, I truly think you'll have much smoother sailing time too. Because I think that's, he's been parted in a certain way. I don't know if you can name names, but maybe just archetypes, types of people, who are the type of people that you think President Trump will align himself with and surround himself with in the Oval Office in 2025 versus 2016.

Starting point is 01:50:13 So let me tell you kind of the coolest thing about this journey. You had 2016 when no one absolutely literally no one believed in you. Right? As I said, we had like that small handful of family members and a couple close people who largely came out of our company who, you know, who really won this campaign. It was amazing story, right? I mean, when I talk about David Goliath, you know, she spent $1.5 billion, you know, he put in 200 and, you know, and I think the whole campaign was like 300 million bucks.

Starting point is 01:50:35 You know, it was like a five to one deficit in terms of, you know, of funding. And then all of a sudden, all these people, you know, as he did better and better started kind of rushing in. Then obviously, he's in the White House and there's people that trickled out, you know, and came in and that's fine. All of a sudden you get to kind of 2020 and you had those people that stayed with you 100% and you had those people who kind of ran for the hills. You had people who jumped ship and went to different campaigns.

Starting point is 01:50:58 You had, you know, certain, you know, great play. The great point is we're at a point where we've seen the filter work so many times. We saw who was there in the beginning and who was stable. We saw who was there during the administration who did a phenomenal job, who really was principled and fought hard. We saw the people that kind of deserted during those years that fell in with other campaigns that maybe endorsed other candidates. And then we saw who tried to come back, who tried to come back with a little smiley face, who tried to make contact again, despite the fact that they stabbed you

Starting point is 01:51:28 in the back a hundred times. We know who these people are. We know the good ones, we know the bad ones, we know the competent ones, we know the totally inept ones. And I think that's a great thing for him. In a certain way, it's like the greatest filter that you could have possibly had,

Starting point is 01:51:44 which I actually I think makes the whole setting up the whole administration so much easier And you might find a really quick so sorry I mean we've seen what they have been doing from the beginning from the Russia to where we're at to the assassination attempts Which I only want to get into the the fact of you know, if it was incompetence or negligent whatever Crazy crazy situation in the in the documentary that we saw, was it the man you don't know? Your brother mentioned something that really hit me hard, and he said something about God in the spirituality level, especially in a moment like that, Eric, because I don't care what anybody says. I'm a Christian, Tom's a Christian.

Starting point is 01:52:19 We go to church, we go to the same church many times, that moment, especially when you see that 3D shot where literally your father just goes like this and it grazes his head. I don't know where your guys is, you know, level of Christianity or prayer or spirituality. Did anything really change? Because when your brother said something that hit me and he was like, yeah, it kind of made me go, whoa, this is a whole different situation, because they've tried everything and he's still fighting and he's still winning. So let me tell you a little bit of mushy story that I never thought I'd tell on this podcast. I think I've only told it once before, but Mike Huckabee in 2016 during the primaries,

Starting point is 01:52:53 obviously he was running against my father. He comes off the stage, I'm backstage, I went to every one of the debates and comes backstage and he goes, I'm going to drop out of this race, Eric. And my father walked up at the same time, he said the same thing to my father. I dropped out of this race. And he goes, I really believe that the spirit of God, God's hand is on your father's shoulder. And I go, wow, that's beautiful. And I'm not sure if I really quite knew

Starting point is 01:53:14 what it meant at the time. And then you go through this 10 year, guys, there are some dark days, right? I mean, there are dark days where they're trying to get you. I mean, I sat next to him, I sat behind him or next to him in court every single day, you know, during the sham indictments when they're trying to effectively, you know, do a hostile takeover of our company.

Starting point is 01:53:30 They're trying to cancel business licenses. We've never done anything. Yeah, I'm freaking wrong. You know, some of that stuff's pretty dark. And you know what? Every single time there was there was kind of this miraculous, I don't want to necessarily call it a light. I'm using that as a little bit of a metaphor, but something changed, something.

Starting point is 01:53:45 And he was always guided in the right direction, right? You could not have beat Hillary Clinton, probably the greatest political dynasty, you know, that family, you know, with 300 million bucks, not knowing what a delegate was going into, you know, the state of, you know, Iowa. You just couldn't have done it. And believe me, he was being guided. He absolutely was. And I don't know, guys, you look at Corey, his wife tells the story, I'm not sure if you guys have heard this, but Corey's wife has told me several times,

Starting point is 01:54:10 and my father. Corey, that day, kept on saying to her, Donald Trump's gonna bring me up on stage. Donald Trump is gonna bring me up on stage. She's looking at him and saying, well, what are you talking about? Donald Trump's not gonna bring you up on stage. There's 50,000 people here.

Starting point is 01:54:24 How is he gonna bring you up on stage? I'm telling you, I can feel it in my soul. Donald Trump's gonna bring you up on stage. There's 50,000 people here. How is he gonna bring you up on stage? I'm telling you, I can feel it in my soul. Donald Trump's gonna bring me up on stage. Corey, the fireman? The fireman who was killed. Wow. And literally during the RNC, I'm not a crier, but at the RNC, I'm trying to fight back tears as you see that firefighting outfit up on stage.

Starting point is 01:54:40 He was literally brought back up on that stage. The fact that he was so emphatic with his wife about this whole story, the fact that the big American flag folded over and turned into a perfect angel above his head. Oh my goodness. I mean, yeah, I mean, that's a shot right there with, you know, he's going to bring me on the stage. He's going to bring me on the stage. I mean, there was no bigger stage in the world than this. Everybody was watching it. The entire earth was watching this performance, right? And he did it again in Butler when we returned that day But then again the flag I mean guys I'm a competitive shooter

Starting point is 01:55:13 It's what I've done like my other guy I know that game as well as anybody My six-year-old son will make a hundred and thirty yard shot with a modern rifle every single time like this is not a difficult thing If you're a golfer, that's like a four inch putt. The fact that he turned his head, looked at a screen on the opposite side where the screen's normally are. Thank God for that graph of immigration. I'll tell you right now. The immigration graph was up there

Starting point is 01:55:32 which he normally throws in at the end of these things. I mean, you wanna talk about a thousand things going right to spare him. It's not coincidence. So, and one other thing, faith is totally under attack. It's not just Christianity, right? But faith is totally under attack in this country. And we've, we were so much better than this.

Starting point is 01:55:48 Again, I mentioned the Jewish student, they can't walk across the NYU or Columbia campus, but man, the way that they're attacking Catholics, the way that they're attacking evangelicals, I mean, what is it with these people that can't just stay out of people's lives and let them, it makes no sense to me, but God has been a big part of this journey. There's no question about it. And you can feel it and we have felt it and I really don't think you would be here

Starting point is 01:56:09 And I don't think he would have you know That's why it's almost like he has to win in 12 days, right? I know that sounds like a little maybe contrite question. Yeah, why else would you be here? Yep, why else would you be last question before we wrap up is? Story from Axios. Most Americans anticipate post election day violence but ready to accept results, right? Okay. Sixty percent Americans expect post-election violence, sixty two percent, sixty two percent. Following November, a concern shared by seventy percent of

Starting point is 01:56:39 Democrats and fifty nine percent of Republicans. According to Scripps news poll, this year stems partly from the political climate after the assassination attempt on Trump, and support for our military intervention to prevent election day unrest is backed by 51% Americans, with higher support among Republicans 61% compared to 51% under them. Despite concerns, faith in the electoral process remains strong. With 63% expressing confidence in the vote accuracy, 77% of Americans are ready to accept election results even if they preferred candidate losers, signaling

Starting point is 01:57:10 a commitment to the democratic process despite heightened fears of violence and polarization. Okay? You know, 2016, 2015 when you guys won, it was like, oh my God, because the opponent was a real opponent, Hillary Clinton. That was not a regular opponent. That was a qualified person. Do you think the shock factor's gonna be the same in 2024, where the opponent this year is Kamala Harris, and not been battle tested, not going through a primary,

Starting point is 01:57:42 she didn't go through Josh Shapiro, Pritzker, Newsome, Whitmer, at best she's maybe the best fifth pick. She's not the real leading candidate for Democratic side. Do you think the world's really gonna be that shocked, especially in US where we're gonna have violence day after election? Listen, I don't think so. I think fundamentally people wanna believe

Starting point is 01:58:00 in our elections and they wanna know that there's a lot of funny business that happened in 2020. You guys have talked about it plenty. I mean, I saw it guys. I'd pull a thousand two thousand people for a rally for myself, you know, and then I'd be across the street from Joe Biden. He couldn't fill up the little, you know, the little circles, right? You know, sometimes things have to pass the gut test and you know, if it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck and you know, flies like a duck is probably a freaking duck, right?

Starting point is 01:58:20 And you know, I think a lot of people didn't feel that maybe they couldn't point exactly to what it was, but I think a lot of people didn't feel that in 2020. And I think a lot of people didn't feel that. Maybe they couldn't point exactly to what it was, but I think a lot of people didn't feel that in 2020. And I think that created a lot of doubt, but I don't think we're gonna have problems. I pray to God, we don't have problems. We're the greatest democracy anywhere in the world. We better not have problems after the election. But I think people also expect things

Starting point is 01:58:38 to be handled properly, handled fair, not be manipulated. And guys, the best years for this country are undoubtedly ahead. There's no question about it. I'm proud of the guy. I'm proud of the voyage that we've all been on. And I think you're going to see a stark difference. And I think you're going to see a very, very different Republican Party than you knew under the Bush years and you knew under the kind of past years.

Starting point is 01:59:00 And I really believe this could become the party of common sense. American pride again, we got to restore American pride. You know, we should, we got to get back to a point where people are proud to say the pledge of allegiance. People are proud to have the American flag on their house and American flag on their house doesn't signify that you might be on, you know, conservative.

Starting point is 01:59:16 But we also got to get back to having great cheerleader in the White House and somebody who, you know, wants to be, you know, the Steinbrenner that we started this whole thing talking about. Like we need that so badly. We need somebody who wants to win and we'llrenner that we started this whole thing talking about. We need that so badly. We need somebody who wants to win and will do anything we can to make sure that America stays kind of in the pole position,

Starting point is 01:59:32 number one spot. And I really believe in 11 days, I mean people have to get out and vote. You have to get out and vote. Some of these states are gonna be awfully close, but I really believe we're gonna get there. I love it, fantastic. Well, 250,000 people are watching right now the last two hours since we've been on just on YouTube and

Starting point is 01:59:51 Everyone's looking forward to seeing what's gonna be taking place. I know you guys got what is it? How many more days left? Is it 11 11 11 days left till November 5th? We're running the biggest election night party November 5th outside of what you guys will do and outside of what Kamala is gonna do but they're gonna have their own thing Of course, you know, we're not coming down to your party You're invited. You're gonna have we're gonna have a few thousand people there. We're gonna have two fighter jets We're gonna have a panel massive panel that will go through we have Decision HQ will be reporting time We'll be reporting to the second different counties different districts where we'll be going through it ourselves and then we'll be broadcasting it as well simultaneously

Starting point is 02:00:29 from the New Hangar in Fort Lauderdale. We're excited about it. I think this is going to be one of those election nights that we'll be talking about for decades and decades and decades to come. Future looks bright, buddy. You've been a big part of the fight and I can't thank you enough. You've been an amazing friend to all of us and thank you guys Thanks for coming out. This was great. Take care everybody. God bless. Have a great weekend. Take care. Bye. Bye. Bye

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