PBD Podcast - Trump’s Air Force One Escape, Tucker & Hunter Biden Team Up & WNBA Apology Gone Wrong | PBD #843

Episode Date: August 13, 2026

Patrick Bet-David and the Home Team react to Trump’s secret Air Force One escape amid Iranian threats, Tucker Carlson’s unlikely connection with Hunter Biden, and the rise of stay-at-home boyfriends. Plus, Trump’s childhood vaccine overhaul, Fauci’s newly released texts, Iran’s grip on Hormuz, AOC’s breakup, and the Democratic Socialist surge in Wisconsin.🎟️ SECURE YOUR 2026 VAULT TICKETS: https://bit.ly/4xU2SCW👞 GET THE FLB1's: https://bit.ly/4mC4uf6🧢 SHOP THE BLACK & GOLD FUTURE LOOKS BRIGHT HAT: https://bit.ly/4pe7gZh🦁 SPONSOR THE VAULT 2026: https://bit.ly/4mFBPpwⓂ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: https://bit.ly/4kSVksoⓂ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: https://bit.ly/4lzQph2🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj🇰 KALSHI: http://kalshi.com/pbdSUBSCRIBE TO:@VALUETAINMENT@ValuetainmentComedyABOUT US:Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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Right here. You are a one of one? My son's right. I don't think I've ever said this before. All right. Well, are you okay? Lots of noise. Lots of things happening.

Sorry. Lots of stories. You know, we got. Love such a jump. Fouchy had another rough week with stories coming out about the fact that these guys in text knew that the Vax was going to potentially cause miscarriages. A big precise. Bill Ackman comes out and says, no wonder my wife and I had seven miscarriages.

And then all of a sudden, Fauci's back into it again. Seven Miss Bill Ackman? After she got the shot, his wife together, they had seven miscarriages. That's crazy. That's crazy. In how long of a span? Well, I don't know what the how long of the span would be, say a couple of years. But, you know, it is something that we'll talk about here today.

Brad Pitt came out and said he's no longer sober. He's drinking again after seven years. And after the past year. Why some of the family issues, stuff like that. So we'll talk about that. Connor McGregor said he's going to be joining him. He messaged into alcohol, sobriety. He messaged me both of them.

Are you open to the idea? Stop being a little woozy. And I was like, guys, I can't. You wouldn't cave. Don't do it. No. Despite the headlines. You're not right.

And then WMBA coach, what a sincere coach. She's so awesome. Isn't she so sincere. Like the level of sincerity comes out and says he's. I didn't see it. When they called the file, I didn't see it. Then, you know, this is like, do you not understand you're living in the social media era? Videos going viral showing you're right behind a foul.

How do you not see the head getting hit and say, well, you know, I don't think it was a dirty play. She was standing in front of the people that have front row seats. She had better view than the referees. Court side. of the foul. So absolutely embarrassing, embarrassing. Imagine your player and your players start talking to each other saying, does the coach even have our back or not?

You know, is this person? And she gets upset at the media? You're getting upset? I don't think you have a place to get upset. By the way, some guy about a year or two years ago made a prediction, and Tom wasn't a fan of the prediction. And the prediction was the fact that AOC is going to be the Democratic candidate, and Tom fought me on this, hardcore behind closed doors.

You guys know Tom's temper. It was pretty bad things being throwing around. And then Adam's like, it'll never happen. I think it was the guy when you're right. It'll never happen. And then Kalshi, Kalshi comes out yesterday. Do you know how much money has been put on this? $170 million.

178 this morning, sir. I'm off $8 million. It's actually. Kalshi comes out this morning. You know what it says? Guess who's officially the leading candidate to become the Democratic presidential candidate for 2020? Not Pete Buttigieg. Judge? It's not Pete. It's not Newsom. It's officially aOC. A socialist takes over and she froze her

eggs and apparently they broke up her and her fiance had a break up. So there's a bunch of different speculation. Maybe we'll address that. And then SPLC, you guys remember the whole SPLC scandal that came out of we would never do such a thing. We're about uniting and we're about, you know, bringing blacks and whites together. Where apparently Charlottesville, the whole riot was started by the SPLC. And you know who reports on? this? Not Breitbart, not Fox. You know, we're not talking about practice. Not talking about practice. No. You know who does? ABC News. Can you imagine how embarrassing it is that you're forcing ABC to have to address this issue with you, but they do. So we will talk about that story.

And then FYI, how many times do you try to trick your family or your kids, like you go to a restaurant and you sneak out on a car and you change the Uber and so people don't see where you're going because you're trying to get a surprise or a gift or something like that, well, somebody did that at a whole different level, and he's got a job that works on Pennsylvania Avenue, this guy named Donald J. Trump, who happens to have this job called President, and he allegedly used a catering truck to sneak off Air Force One

amid Iranian threats and went on a complete different place, and everybody thought he was on Air Force One. So imagine the people that are on the Air Force One. It's like, look, if we get attacked, we're taking one for the team, and everybody else goes on the other side, but that's the kind of stuff that you got to do. Like that old movie, my best friend's wedding. right. Julia Roberts is running away

in the catering. That's a good one. That's a good one right there. Ellison's who are buying Paramount. They're saying when the deal gets done, allegedly they want to move Paramount out of California to two states and we'll reveal to what those two states are. And those two states are not Illinois. It's not, you know, they're not looking at Maryland or New York. They're looking at a couple states that happen to be read.

And you can probably guess who was. And they may sell one component. I know. I know. And that one component is the one I don't want them to sell. I want them to keep it, but they're being forced to sell that. So maybe we'll reveal to them what that one component is. I don't want them to sell it. Don't do it.

Keep it. Don't do it. And then we got a few other stories we'll get into, but one of the stories that we'll get into is Tucker Carlson had Hunter Biden on his podcast. And while they were on the podcast, they talked about a lot of different things. Remember the Hunter Biden laptop story? Who was the outlet that X was supposed to take down? the tweet that was going viral.

You know, all these different stories during the election that was going. I don't know what it was. I don't know if it was a New York Post story. I don't know what it was. I think it was a New York Post. I think it was New York Post where Twitter took it down and they said, hey, this is a conspiracy.

It's Russia. It's not really happening. Russia. Well, planted. Speculation. Biden and Hunter and Tucker actually are sitting there talking, and Tucker said sided with Hunter that the laptop was allegedly, you know,

coming from where, I don't know what he was saying. He makes his allegation. and we'll play the clip. But let me say what we decided to do. And this credit to this goes to Vinny. We decided to reach out to John Paul MacIsaac, who if you remember him at the time, he was the gentleman who Hunter brought the laptop to.

And so Hunter on Tucker's laptop called out John Paul allegedly, apparently he's saying John Paul's lying. This is a lie. So we said, hey, let's get John Paul to say something about it. And so John Paul is here with us. John Paul in a minute will come to you and play the video clip for you and then have you react to it. And then we'll get into it.

And maybe the boys, Vinny, will ask a question and then we'll go from there. But with that being said, a lot of exciting things. And last but not least, the rumors are true. My, you know, everybody with the Andrew Wilson offer that was made to Candace Owens for $300,000 on the Rogan podcast, the debate is taking place tomorrow. it's going to be alive. It's going to be 11 a.m. Eastern standard time, 8 a.m. Pacific. And it's going to be a live, not pre-recorded.

It's not pre-recorded on the topic of, you know, Charlie Kirk and his position is that there's overwhelming evidence that Tyler Robinson shot and killed Charlie Kirk. And her argument is the fact that, no, he was a patsy. So that would be a very, very, they've agreed. I was involved. You know, we had Zooms. We had calls together. And both sides, credit to them, each of them, have kept their commitments of going back and forth.

So you decide which side you are with this. People know where I'm at, but I'm a moderator for this. I'm not going into this debating. I'm simply there hosting this debate. And I'm looking forward to it. I think the audience has been asking for something like this for some time. So kudos for both of them for having. agree to do this. Again, whether you agree or not, I respect anybody that gets in the arena

that's willing to take the criticism and the feedback that comes from all sides. And you know, it's great when people send me messages and say, oh, my God, you know, people are so angry on this side and you're going to be on Andrew's side. And the camp from Andrews' campus, you're going to be on Canada's side. That's when you know this is going to be a good show, because no one's happy. And respect to Michael Knowles and Rogan, who were also involved, Michael Knowles had his own position. He shared with the audience. Joe Rogan was also involved, respect to both of the guys as well.

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there's an opportunity to get a five pack with general tickets as well. With that being said, let's get right into it. So Tucker Carlson has Hunter Biden on. And while they're there, the topic of the laptop comes up. And when the topic of the laptop comes up, this is what Hunter had to say, and this is what Tucker had to say, and we decided to invite John Paul Mac Isaac, who was the gentleman who received Hunter's laptop that had the Bo Biden sticker on it, where John Paul asked him, what's your name? And Hunter gives him a look and says, Hunter Biden. And this is in the state, if I'm not mistaken, if I'm not mistaken, he'll correct me if I'm wrong. So Tucker had Hunter Biden on. They had a conversation together, and here's what they had to say.

for it. Then the official story comes out about how the laptop was left. You left a couple of laptops in a laptop repair store in Greenville, Delaware, which a town I'm very familiar with. So, and the guy was blind. Then I interviewed the guy who seemed to totally believe the story, John McIsaac. I mean, he seemed to be telling the truth. But the story did not make sense. Meanwhile, I'm getting, we get approached by Israelis connected to Benjamin Nanyahu. Like, I know that. Who are shopping this stuff to me at Fox News. And I'm like, I don't think that that part of the story, the laptop is real. I thought that from day one.

Laptops. But the way that it entered the bloodstream of American media was not real. I just want to ask you point blank, did you drop off laptops? No, and this is the thing that I've said over and over again. I have literally zero recollection of memory of ever dropping off a lap. You don't remember. John Paul McIsaac. No, the answer is no.

I was high. And drop in line. Hang on. John Paul McIsaac, who's legally blind. Yes. Who on the day when the laptop became public, sat and outside of his shop and gave an interview. And flat out says that he doesn't remember seeing me. He couldn't identify me.

And also that security cameras that he has don't have any footage from that time. And so regardless, though, regardless of anything. Just this. The laptop, according to LeB partners, under oath in his testimony before the House Oversight Committee, was being sought by Rudy Giuliani in Ukraine all the way back in 2018. And so Rudy Giuliani is working with a guy named Andre Derkatch, who was a MP in Ukraine and a known Russian GRU agent. So Rudy goes over there and basically takes. his dossier and receives information that Hunter Biden's hard drive, not laptop, is for sale.

And the person that they can go to is this other Ukrainian-Russian oligarch who is living in Austria. That's what Lev Parnas and Igor Fuhrin were doing, getting on the plane before they were arrested. We can pause right now. They're going to go back in for about five minutes. But here's what we do know. What we do know as the market that we saw this, that on October to give you the exact date,

October 14, 2020, 20 days before the 2020 election, this tweet is going viral with the story of New York Post. They end up taking it down. Twitter does. Remember, at that time, Elon doesn't own Twitter. And later on when they did Twitter files, I don't know if you guys remember the Twitter files. Matt Taibbe, I believe.

Exactly. Matt Taibian, there was one other person that was involved as well. Could have been very wise. I think it was very wise. Then you see email exchange of them saying that, hey, you guys specifically asked to take these things down. Why did you? And then it was chaotic everywhere. So John Paul, first of all, thank you for making the time for being on the podcast here with us.

What was your reaction when you saw this exchange about the laptop? How did you, the person that was involved in this story, how did you react to the story? Well, for the last six months, actually, I think longer, I've been listening to Hunter trying to rewrite his history. So I think that aspect's comical because every lie that's come out of Hunter's mouth has actually been proven in court to be a lie by his father's own DOJ. Exhibit 6 was the timeline for the laptop. And it clearly states that I sent him an email.

I called him. He called me back. He came back to the shop. The serial number of his laptop that he signed for was the same serial number that was on the subpoena. So it's kind of, it's ridiculous that he's trying to rewrite history unless he owes somebody a lot of money that's also producing a documentary that wants a certain narrative to be pushed. And that's what I think's happened. Who is that? Who is the person doing a documentary? Well, Hunter owes Kevin Morris a lot of money.

And every time Hunter made a public appearance in the past four years, he's always had Kevin Morris and his camera crew around. So we're waiting patiently for this documentary to come out. And I just assumed the last eight months have been Hunter doing Kevin Morris's PR work, basically. What is the exact amount that he owes Kevin Morris for the documentary? Do you know? Well, Kevin Morris footed his bill during the time he was in California. So I heard it was up to $4.2 million, but I haven't been keeping track of. hunter's finances. Okay. And so, and so when you saw this, what was your reaction with the way Tucker pushed back or the lack of pushback on the story? No one Tucker has access to you. He can call you.

He had the conversation with you. And Tucker just a few years ago was one of the guys that said, this is the biggest story that took place. And so his position changed. Did you, one, what are your thoughts about the way Tucker reacted to him? And number two, did Tucker's camp at all reach out to you to get a, you know, reaction to the interview? So I'm not really too surprised. at Tucker's reaction. So I was introduced to Tucker on October 16th, and I had a lengthy text message with him. This is October 16th of what, 2020 or October 16 of what year? 2020. Okay, got it. The days after the New York Post broke the story. Tucker, I was introduced to Tucker in a chat,

text message, and we texted back and forth. He asked me a lot of questions about what the FBI was asking me and what they had, if he knew what they were looking into and what they had found. And then that was it. The last time, the next time I talked, I talked to Tucker Carlson was May 4th of 2022. And that told me that he had absolutely zero interest in confronting me about the laptop. What happened after our conversation on the 16th, I was also introduced with a gentleman named Yacoff Applebaum on the 17th by the same guy that introduced me to Tucker Carlson. And Yaakov is, and this gentleman that introduced me was Larry Johnson, who's a former CIA analyst, a friend of my father, who was kind of helping me navigate this quagmire I found myself in. And so Yaakov worked for Larry as his tech guy. So Larry sent Yaakov to my house to collect the laptop, the data to analyze and verify it.

He then collected some criminality off of it to mail to Tucker's producer, which Tucker, or says the UPS lost on, I think it was the 27th of October, which that just threw up red flags of me, because then to have Tucker not even want me to talk about the laptop on his show for a year and a half, told me that, and then when I found out that Tucker was in the laptop, it kind of all made sense. So what I feel like Tucker's doing right now

is I think he's kind of running cover for his complacency in covering the laptop. I mean, he beat his sabers and, you know, talked about accountability, and he brought up the laptop a lot. But, I mean, it took him a year and a half to have me on the show. And I was told if I talked about anything other than what he wanted to talk about, I would never be invited back. Who said that to you? The producers?

Tucker's producer. Interesting. So Tucker's... So I've had Tucker flagged as, like, complacent with covering up the laptop from since basically the the 16th of October. 20, 6 years ago. And then that was it. I didn't hear us.

What's your speculation? You said he's in the laptop. In what ways he in the laptop? Is it an email exchange? Yeah, he was friends with Hunter. He was neighbors. I think Hunter, he was asking for Hunter to get his kid into Georgetown.

And then I think the wife had some plans. I know he was in the laptop. I don't care. It's D.C. Plus, I mean, people forget. Tucker was in CNN for a while. I mean, he said, yeah.

Yeah, he's an opportunist. Yeah, I think that exchange is, to me, it's nothing. It's, you know, if you guys are communicating at that time, you're in D.C., I totally get it. You know, families talk to one another, and sometimes there is the acting and what we do on TV, and then you see some of these guys behind closed doors that they're friends with all of them. So it wasn't that it was anything malicious that it was in the laptop. It's just purely that there was proof that they're communicating and their friends. Yeah, I think inviting to each other's birthday parties, that kind of stuff.

Got it. So the last time you spoke to him was May 4th. of 2022. The first time you did was October 16th of 2020, four days before the New York Post story came up, and then immediately a few hours later, Twitter took it down. Okay. So in this case, when you're hearing the exchange between the two of them, you know, the market looking at this, knowing all of this was documented, and you know Tucker knows this stuff, and you know Hunter knows this stuff, why wouldn't Tucker push back? Why wouldn't he push back on this?

Why didn't Sean Ryan push back? Why didn't Candace Owens push back? Why hasn't any interview Tucker done? Why has Tucker refused to do interviews where he knows that there's going to be pushback? So I think, again, I think Kevin Morris is going to get his money back. He's produced Broadway productions. He's produced documentaries before. I think he's put a lot of money into Hunter.

and I think he wants to recoup that money. So I think a lot of what we're seeing right now is opportunities for people like Tucker to insert Israel into the mix, which again, he knows who Yaakov is. He knows he's not an Israeli asset. So why Tucker wanted to pander to his audience about Israelis and the link and the Thai,

that's on Tucker. But I don't, you know, it just seems awfully peculiar for people to sacrifice their credibility at this level, knowing the facts and knowing the detail and knowing that his own Hunter's own father's DOJ documented everything

and you know but they're usually the only reason why people would do these things is for money so that's my only that's the only thing I can Yeah it's funny I looked at it the original document alone to Biden was 6 and a half million the current reported debt is 5 plus million

and you know they're going back and forth there was also an unusual transaction involving Hunter's artwork Morris purchased art in a deal that the congressional investigators calculated reduced Hunter's debt to Morris by $525,000. And this is stuff that's out there. This is judiciary.house.gov. So it's not like this is a blogger writing this that's out there. But Vinnie, when you see this, what questions do you have for John Paul? So, hey, John, it's Vinny. Good to see you again.

So, John, just I have two things. Just because they keep saying, oh, he's blind. He doesn't know. He doesn't see. I have two things. So that day, John, when Hunter walked in and you said, you know, very intoxicated, smelled like alcohol, trouble speaking, balancing, nearly dropped the laptop on the counter. One of them was liquid damage, so you couldn't get anything out of it, probably because he was drinking and doing whatever the hell he does on it. And then you saw the Bow Biden Foundation sticker.

So you asked him who he was, and he like paused and said, Hunter. And then you're like, okay, last name, Biden. They want us to believe that what? This was some massad agent because they knew you were partially blind. They came in to set all this up. So I want just very, very briefly, John, can you recall that moment, the interaction with him as if you don't know what his voice is? And then my second part, John, is now all these years you couldn't talk about certain things on these laptops because of lawsuits. Now that they're all gone and everything's said and done, what's the one thing that you've been dying to tell everybody that you saw that you couldn't tell us the last time?

That's like, oh, my God, so blatantly obvious. and one of the reasons he got a pardon? Wow. Well, let's start with the last one. So, you know, I've always had a problem with the inappropriate relationship with Hunter's niece, his dead brother's kid. It's the reason why the gun ended up in the trash can in the first place. That behavior shocked me.

What shocked me even more was Jim Biden and Joe Biden and basically the family, the patriarchy, trying to do their best to come. up with ways to silence the mother to, you know, we'll shove it down her throat was, I think, one of the quotes that I read when they were going to describe her drug use to kind of combat, you know, they were going to, they were going to punish her for, for Hunter's behavior revolving around an underage niece. And I thought that was probably the most horrible thing that a family could do to itself. And just really quick, John, what, the relationship, was it just drug use or was there

something nefarious happening between those two? That you saw, allegedly. It looked like Hunter was taking advantage of a young lady that kind of saw in Hunter a better man, probably a crush. So, you know, there was a lot of inappropriate. I mean, I believe the mother was upset because Hunter was smoking crack naked in front of her during chat messages. or a message. So or I chat. I think it was I chat. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. It's, that's a messed up family. And,

you know, the depths that they would go to to protect their own from their own, it's just disgusting. Yeah, well, actually, remember in Ashley Biden's, uh, uh, what was it, her diary that she left behind at an Airbnb. She said some stuff about her father allegedly showering with her at inappropriate, probably at inappropriate ages. So then, John, just really fast, the day that he walked in, smelling. like alcohol, dropping it off. Can you just very, very briefly bring that up again because they're acting as if you don't know

what you're talking about and you couldn't see anything? All right. So I've never, up until he walked in a shop, I absolutely had no interest in knowing what Hunter Biden looked like. So I had no idea who this guy was.

The check-in process at my shop is I collect customer information. The first question is, can you give me your first name and your last name? It's simple. So yes, I am visually impaired. I cannot drive. And yes, I have problems seeing past five to eight feet without visual aids.

Am I blind? Am I unable to see who I'm talking to or recognize a person when they come in or recognize a person that's starring in their homemade porn is the same guy that dropped off the laptop? Or how about this for all the people that questioned my eyesight and my ability to see? I have a pretty good earring. So, you know, the high-pitched and titled voice of Hunter Biden rings in my ears every time I hear it. And I recognize that voice everywhere. So, you know, I'd say it's all bullshit.

They should see me at the range. Yeah. Adam, final question. John Paul, everyone's to focus on Hunter. But I want to focus on you for a second. The way I look at this is everyone has their own incentives or their motivations. So break this down to first principles for me. You've been in the limelight for six years.

What is your motivation for any of this? Why are you involved in this story other than him bringing you this laptop? How have you benefited? I never wanted to be involved with this story. And I'm actually surprised that here I am nearly six years later, and I'm still having to defend the authenticity, the legitimacy, the chain of command, the origin of this laptop. and I'm doing it because people want to rewrite history for a reason.

And this, I just don't feel like I should let this stand. I was hoping that in the four years that I was involved in lawfare to try to hold people accountable, that the Congress and other people would kind of join me and get my back. And unfortunately, I was left on my own. So after four years of lawfare, I'm free to leave Delaware now. So I'm trying to desperately get out of Delaware before anything more, anything bad. Have you enriched yourself? Have you gotten any benefits?

from any of this? No, I lost my business. I'm destitute. I have to sell my home because I can't afford to live here. I have to, I was swatted two years ago. The state of Delaware has tried to disarm me. I don't like leaving my house because every time I interact with anybody outside, it usually goes poorly.

So I'm, you know, this is not gone well for me, but I'm not going to give up because the people that seem to want to be. push of fake narrative or also just seem to be profiting greatly off of this. And I just think that's wrong to profit off of my suffering and the suffering of anybody else that was involved in this thing. Well, you know, if the audience is watching the same thing I'm seeing, you seem very sincere on who you are. Also, the first time I had you on, you seem very sincere. Why would you benefit from this? That's actually a good question to ask. So, John Paul, appreciate you for making a time for jumping on and just kind of giving you a perspective. And we would,

wish you nothing but the very best. Again, thank you for your time. Thank you, gentlemen. Any time. Thank you. It's so interesting to me that you try to do this, the motives behind. Remember, in every relationship, if you ever want to size up an enemy, an ally, a friend, somebody want to get married, remember the five things. Concerns? What are your concerns with that relationship? Number two, what are your assumptions, what are your motives, what are the fears, what are your asks? What's Tucker's motive with this? What is the motive? I have one angle. We know what Hunter's motive is.

We get that. I mean, they need content. They need content to rebrand and then Hunter's going to come out and say, here's what we're doing. But what's Tucker's motive with this? So I love that you asked that. So yesterday, Pat, Chuck Ross, who used to work at Daily Caller, who I think Tucker co-owned or one of them. No, he did.

Him and Neil Patel, yes. He says that when the Hunter laptop story broke, he was working there, 2020. The reporters there found email showing Tucker and Hunter, knew he. other, just like he's saying personally. Tucker asked Hunter to write a recommendation to get his son Buckley into Georgetown. So the reporters thought, okay, this is perfect. The media's claiming the laptop emails could be fake and Tucker could personally confirm that, you know, his emails with Hunter were real. But according to Ross, Tucker wanted no part of it and allegedly got pissed off Pat saying a story about it would be attack on his family. Like basically me and

me and Tucker are like this. They go way back. And who is this person? Chuck Ross. Is this the email exchange or is this something else? Of course, getting on the plane now, but I'll ask Susie to send him. Now, this is Tucker asking in 2014, specifically asking Hunter to help him with his son, Buckley, get into Georgetown. And you see it's clear. It's not one line, Pat. It's, hey, I want to do this.

Oh, hey, buddy, I will need Hunter back to Tucker. Hey, buddy, I need Buckley's CV, curriculum vitae, you know, his resume. If you have one handy, thanks. Hunter, I can't thank you. Tucker responds. Hunter, I can't thank you enough for writing a letter to Georgetown on Buckley's behalf. So nice of you. I know it'll help.

Hope you're great and we can get dinner soon. It's all complacency and he's trying to cover his butt because even the FBI, they just had released documents Operation Round River from December 2019 that the FBI had damning information. Joe Biden, Hunter, Burisma, corruption in Ukraine and the new material that was released that 14 informants were given them all this

information and the FBI was like, no, no, no, no, this is Russian information, Pat. They're all covering their butts. We all know what Hunter is. Like this whole parading around... My issue is not Hunter. I know who Hunter is. By the way, I actually think he's funny as hell. He's good on social media. He's doing all that stuff. And he's trying to rebrand

himself. I get that. I get why you would want to do that because he's still young. I don't know how old he is, probably in his 50s or early 60s. I don't know how old is. So he's trying to get back in the line, right? And he's been around the block so he knows how to communicate. So I get that part. The dirt, the stuff that he did.

By the way, the report is that he sexually inappropriate behavior with his niece is what it is. Yeah. But to me, it's more about what's Tucker's motive? What is he doing? Where does he want to be? Who is his, what's his loyalty to? What is you trying to figure out? That's the part I don't know.

And we will never know because that's only in the man's mind of what he's doing. doing. All you can do is judge the person's behavior and see what it's leading to. And this right here is a, he dropped the ball on this because you can't have somebody like that come to you. Say you're a Republican, say you're a conservative and then change your position. Either leave the party and just say I'm a Democrat. Leave the party and, you know, go do something else. You know, go in a, you know, maybe create a third party and give your position, which is kind of doing right now. But some of this behavior is very weird. Yeah. The thing I'll say about this is, I don't think we fully appreciate or genuinely understand how elite and insider Hunter Biden and Tucker Carlson

are. I mean, Tucker's kind of parading out there with his tobacco and his flannels as he's an American every man. I like to hunt and fish. Buddy, your dad was allegedly CIA. Hunter's dad has been in political landscape for 50 years, 10% for the big guy. You need a favor to get your son into college. He didn't earn it. There's no merit there. You send a little email. Track, show the email right here. Can you do me a favor? The favor's done. So to me, this whole masquerading as this populist, you're an elitist. You've been on the inside of everything for 30, 40, 50 years. And now you want to kind of play dumb. That's the issue that I have. Tom, I'll give me the final words. What are you thinking? How are you processing this?

So there's a couple things that you can look at because you go to the concerns, motivation, assumptions, fears and ask, so what could be some motivation for Tucker? If there's a real documentary coming and Hunter is saying, by the way, Hunter is everywhere. There's a Wall Street Journal report, I think, that said Hunter is everywhere. What's he up to? I think it was a journal yesterday. And so everybody's asking a question. Well, guess what?

If he's got a guy he owns money to and that guy wants to film a documentary, then he needs footage and everything. That makes sense to me. How would Tucker figure in that? It's like you got to rewrite history. You got to spin. AOC is spinning. Everybody's spinning on their positions. And I feel like Tucker's trying to spin in his prior position or trying to take something.

And the Internet's not letting him do it. People are putting things side by side. Hey, three years ago he said this. Now you're saying this. You know, I'm not trying to be a critic here. I'm just looking at the... Hunter or Tucker? On Tucker.

You know, it's just like, okay. You know, you've gone one way you've got another. So it seems like you're trying to brand and position. Too much flip-flopping. And you're in there with, you appear to be a really good friend to hit. I'm not even joking. I'm being dead-ass honest. I don't know if Tucker knows how the internet works.

I'm being serious. When you're in front of a camera. Now he knows. No, no, hear me out. Hear me out. When you're in front of a camera. And everything is, what's it called when every line is read to you? Teleprompter.

And all of a sudden you have to go on your own. And producer in your ear. Tucker forget somehow that there's a before and after. How many videos have you seen of like, you said this six months ago, and then you said this. You said this two years ago, and then you said this. It's like, I don't know if you know how that works. No, the best. I was young and needed the money.

It doesn't work. Exactly. And the last thing I'll say about Hunter, in Hollywood, there's two different types of rehabs. There's, oh, wow, I'm addicted to drugs, Shia LeBuff, certain people. I got to go to rehab. But then there's the whole industry of called Reputation Rehab. where they clean up your image and it's an image makeover. That's what Hunter's doing right now.

I have no clue what Tucker's agenda is. Yeah. So, all right, we'll see. But it ain't smart. Let's move on. Let's move on. Go to the next story. Next one I'm going to talk to you about is this. So Sophie Cunningham gets hit with the foul in the head. They turn into a flagrant tool.

Girls kicked out. I don't know what the girl's name is. Donji, Donji, you know, whoever she is. Then the coach at the time comes out and says, I don't think she was doing it on purpose. The coach says that. And can you go back so I can say the girl's name properly? I don't want to screw it up because I know, no, go to the second X video.

You had, right, what is the name? DeGonnet. DeGonnet. Carrington. And this is the Gijonet. This is go back a little bit to show the previous goalway to the front. This is how she plays. Damn, girl.

She obviously very sweet. She doesn't at all have any negative intent at all. She doesn't hit hard and, you know, she's plays very clean basketball. Another white privilege. And watch what she does to the eyes. You see, goes to the eyes. Yeah. So you can pause it right there.

So you can pause it right there. So then the coach says, no, I don't think she would ever do anything dirty. She would never do that. The internet goes after her. Then she's like, wait a minute, how dare you guys call me out and say the fact that, you know, I didn't even see the foul. I didn't see the foul. She says I did not see the foul in her message. And there's a video of her.

Go to the previous one that shows I did not see the foul. And I want you to hear this message. She's getting destroyed right now on the internet. and well-deserved. Watch us. Go back, play this clip. Watch this. She says, I couldn't see it.

I didn't see the play in the last game. I didn't see the play in real time. You sure about that? You sure about that? Straight to a press conference. So you can pause it right there. And that's her right there in the picture. And that's her in the back.

And that's the foul. What do you can't see the foul? Unbelievable. And she says she got a better view than some of the referees got. And then this is how she comes and cries on TV about the criticism she got. How dare people on social media, Colorado, go. for it. I pride myself on is my relationships with players. For those who have anything to say about the play in the last game, I didn't see the play in real time. I went straight to a press conference.

I thought the play got called right. Thankfully, Sophie's okay. Yeah. Was it egregious? Absolutely. When you have a chance to watch that over and over and over on replay, you can see that. I didn't have that in real time. Oh, really? That's you behind. Unbelievable. I take personally any suggestions that I don't 100% always have my players bet. Stop, liar. I ride with them, 10 toes down all the time.

All the time. They know that. Oh, yeah, for sure. It's a shame that we can't have an opportunity to talk about what great basketball they're playing. Nobody cares about the basketball. Give me favor. Go all the way to the last 20 seconds.

United, every day these women put their on the line. And you didn't protect them. Every day. When they go low, we go high. Love will win. Grace will win. Humility will win. And kindness, we'll win.

Kindness. There comes kindness. I stand by them. I will always stand by them. Amen. Everybody else can go to Hill. Oh. Kindness.

Wait a minute. So you know what? We need kindness. Grace. They go high. You go, you know. Grace. Sounds like a wholesome person.

And by the way, go to hell. And then you leave. You know, walking, talking, contradiction. Tom ran a poll. and the poll was, do you view this as a sincere statement by Stephanie White, the coach. Yeah. Vote one of them, just pick one of them. 77.4% said no, 100% forced take, 75% force take, 25% forced take, 25% forced fake.

And then you got, you know, yes, it's real 4.3% time. Your thoughts, when you hear a coach like this who got called out by media by trying to BS and allegedly trying to protect their player, Sophie, who got a flagrant two, all the referees agreed that was a flagrant two, the girl got kicked out and then she says white privilege and now she's coming out realizing she was wrong and she reacts this way. Your thoughts?

I've seen a lot of apologies and you've seen apologies, Pat. We've been part of businesses where a CEO had to apologize to a board, to their employees. I don't need a piece of paper in front of me that I keep glancing down at and to be performative with my emotion. I come in and I can make an apology. I know what I'm apologizing for.

No one has to write it for me. They can remind me, remember, make sure you say the names of people so that they know you're sincere. Don't get emotional. Don't get over. She comes in here in performative anger, and I look at it this way. This is not an apology. This is justification and excuse wrapped in emotion with performative outrage. That's what I think.

And she's glancing at the paper there. You know, sincere apologies don't need a one-pageer that was likely written by, I'll say likely, I don't know, likely written by the fever PR flack and likely approved by the league every statement that goes out here, the league wants the uproar to stop but they like the eyeballs. But this

is going over the waterfall and I look at it this way. If I was on the board, I would be saying to the CEO, you know what? I think this thing has gone over the waterfall here and I think we need to make a change. We need to make a change in leadership and if I was an owner you'd fire her. I would fire her.

I would as well. I would say I don't think that You can't back up the players. What are we doing? That's exactly right. And to go to her and say, I appreciate you do the press conference. I appreciate you wanted to make a statement. But in the statement saying you don't see it there, and now we're getting slammed, you are wearing the fever logo. You are sitting at a press conference in front of our logo.

And in front of Gainbridge and Lexus, our key sponsors, are on the logo and the board behind you. There are partners. And you are caught red-handed. You're standing in front of the people that have court side front row seats looking right into the play unobstructed. You can't do this, Stephanie. Stephanie, I'm really sorry. We're done here. That's what my board discussion.

And that was a question I was going to ask is if you guys own a company and she's the one. She's the same. Buddy, doesn't stick up for her players. When Kayling Clark was sitting there where they're covering her face, embarrassed at the words coming out of her mouth. And then think about this. You care about your players. You're willing to have men, because remember when they were asked about trans men playing in the freaking league? She was like, hey, I'm not a professional.

I'm not a doctor. I wouldn't know how to respond to that. So you'd even be cool. You love women. They're doing so good to have dudes, because that's what they are, dudes in the locker room with these girls, if it was her way. It's just, again, every single day they keep giving us more stuff to talk about how bad. She's defending the league, and now she goes out and slaughters herself. And FYI, again, all of this is the WMBA's fault.

Yep. All of this. Amen. All the WMBA had to do is we test everyone for their DNA for what you are. It's not a hard test to do. You can do it with many different ways to find out what you are. And we are an organization for women only. But because the WMBA wants to play politics and try to win the woke and all this other stuff,

they're getting destroyed right now. and well-deserved. My speculation, like I said the other day, is I believe the WMBA has a bigger problem. I believe the WMBA currently has multiple men that play in the league, that they're worried if that gets leaked, it'll be embarrassing. It'll be embarrassing. Speculation, this is not for a fact,

speculation that either currently or in the past they had it, they don't want to bring it up, and they're worried if that does take place, how bad it will be for them. Adam. I'm excited for the WNB. I mean, we're living in an eyeball culture, attention wins. They're getting the attention that they deserve.

And you know how we say the future looks bright here? I believe the future looks bright for the WNBA. 2027 is giving me the best year in the WNBA history. Why? They already have two of the most brave, beautiful women that have declared for the WNBA draft. I'm talking about these beautiful, courageous women, N.S. Freedom and Royce White.

Beautiful, brave women who potentially, hopefully could get drafted by the WNBA and tell me who doesn't want to see something like that happened. We talked about this last week. It's not going to happen. I want you to... Why won't it happen? I want you to specifically have anything to say about this coach or not.

If not, we'll move on to the next story. Look, the coach is prioritizing the agenda over the player. Yep. You think she cares about the player? Maybe. But trust that. She cares way more about this agenda. You know I actually got to give credit to that I very rarely give credit to?

Do you know Jason Whitlock? Remember this guy? Yeah, yeah. And anytime there's an argument, I'm more on the Stephen A side than Jason Woodlux. But I'll give him credit. He goes, guys, this isn't about the trans thing. He goes, you have to understand the foundation of the league.

The foundation of the WMBA is built by black lesbian women, period. And those black lesbian women are not going to bend the knee to any of this because they are fully, fully aligned. with the trans agenda. So if each of the players, imagine you have how many players on a team, 12 players in a team, and 11 out of the 12 players in the team are like, 10 toes down on this trans thing.

Yep. They're not going to deviate. So for every one Sophie Cunningham, you have 10 Dijunet, whatever's, that are going to rip your hair out or rip your face out for this agenda. All right, so let's talk about the next story. Fauci's story comes out. Folks, this is going to piss some of you guys off,

and I don't blame you. if you do get pissed off. Okay? And these stories that come out, I'll read one of them to you. Fauci texts about Vax miscarriage risk don't line up with public statements. What?

Yep. Fauci. Text shows Fauci, Search and General, CDC chief, worried about miscarriages after second COVID vaccine doses. Did you tell the world about it? No. Did you tell the American people about it?

Did you say it before all of a sudden we got 71 plus percent of Americans that got the shot? So let me read it to you. Text message from Dr. Anthony Fauci, government phone shows he privately worried COVID-19 vaccination could cause miscarriage and pregnant women while publicly insisting there were no red flags in January 2021. Fauci told then CDC director Rochelle Wollinsky and Incom and Surgeon General Vive Mertie that the significant cytokins storm from, fever after a second MRNA could dose could theoretically be associated with miscarriage in first trimester, Murthy raised his concern about the MRNA causing mutations in the developing fetus, then flagged the World Health Organization advising pregnant woman against the Moderna shot. Days later, Fauci publicly stressed multiple times there were no red flags for pregnant

woman, eventually saying it's pretty clear they should be vaccinated. He never publicly mentioned the miscarriage possibility. Republican senators Ron Johnson of Wisconsin and Rand Paul of Kentucky released a text after Department of Health and Human Services turned over Fauci's phone containing roughly 34,000 text messages, 500 voicemails, fewer than a dozen messages are public so far. NIH directly Jay Baccharia told Fox News the gap between private and public comments explains he wrote a trust he didn't share those private thoughts with the American public

and Bill Ackman came out and Vinny I'm going to come to you right afterwards. Bill Ackman came out and tweeted the, this and Vinny, you shared this with me. Yeah, look at what he wrote. He said, Neri and I, this is his wife, I believe, had seven miscarriages trying to have a second child during COVID, and then the time ran out. WTF was he thinking, Vinnie? I mean, every single day, and I love that, I know, other, I guess states are starting to get cases up against him.

And if I hear one more person from Cuomo or anybody, anybody trying to stick up for this guy, kiss my butt. I am sick and tired of all these people going, he's 80, he's this, he's that. No, no, no. He knew all these problems, guys. He lied about everything, okay? Everything. And then you hear Bill Ackman and his wife, they tried, like, they tried, guys, not one time, not four,

yeah, five, seven times trying to have a baby and it's all. over because of him. Okay. And this is the video right here. Can you play this one, Connor? This is, this is him saying it's pretty clear that pregnant woman should get vaccinated. Okay. He's in secret talking crap saying don't, you know, there's going to be problems. They're going to be miscarriages. But this is his attitude. Go ahead, Connor. However, when you look at the unvaccinated versus the vaccinated, there is absolutely no increased risk of that. So because of that, the CDC and the ACOG, the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology, who used to say it is okay for them for pregnant women to get vaccinated,

to change now and say it is recommended when pregnant women get vaccinated. So it's really one of those things that's kind of not a close call. It really is pretty clear that pregnant women should get vaccinated. And they text, they exchanged the text before this video. Before saying, don't listen. It's good, like there's problems. So think about how many mothers out there that are probably even listening to this podcast would have made a different decision if you knew what he was texting her, Wollenski, and private text.

Okay. Women were making decisions, Tom, about their pregnancies based on the information that he was doing this trusted expert, Mr. Science. And I'm tired of another thing. People are like, well, Trump. No, this is the bureaucracy. These are the people, the deep state people, the FBI agents that are underneath him. when he came in, that were all there to destroy Trump and destroy America, the fabric of our society.

These are them. And then back, Jeffrey Tucker, writer, he was the biggest guy against everything that he said about lockdowns and everything else. He just said that top FDA and NIH quietly officials admitted the real reason for everything that he did, the lockdowns, the masking, the social distancing, was to delay the onset of natural immunity so they could push the freaking. jab. Tom, think about that, okay? Keeping us from natural immunity, because as he said in the past, if you have the flu, you don't got to get vaccinated because the best thing to fight it is having the flu. So he knows that. He knows what this was, but he kept everybody away on purpose, everybody away so they could be like, hey, guys, we got to jab everybody. It's unbelievable,

Tom. This guy, that's why there needs to be a constitutional amendment. This preemptive pardon nonsense is ridiculous. This guy belongs in prison. He belongs to go on trial and if found guilty for what he's done, crimes against humanity, he has to get the freaking death penalty. End of story. Or else this guy's another one of these guys is going to happen again, Tom.

Tom. It doesn't surprise me that more and more hard evidence is coming out that Anthony Fauci was a complete hypocrite. He's a hypocrite that became hippo rich. And what happened here is he was protecting the pharma industry that was making billions on this stuff.

billions and billions a month. Go look at the numbers. It was billions a month. So number one. So this doesn't surprise me the hypocrisy. The second part of it is America should take a look and just look at the level of harm that has happened and that have our legislators and our elected officials do the right thing here. I mean, there's a Kalshi with a million and a half, Pat, that says, who will be charged with a federal crime this year? Anthony Fauci is at 54%. Federal crime would be really hard to get, but there's people that have put millions on Kauci up staying. They think there's a 54% chance, and they're willing to put their own hard-earned money down there on a prediction. Look at this, that they think he's going to be charged, yet he's carrying this long-term pardon dating back to 2014.

2014. And that's what's shocking to me. What's shocking to me is that is the level of silence, of everybody but the Rand Pauls and the people that were with him in that hearing. That is what's shocking to me is the rest of the people in an elected office who cannot look back and say, we got this call wrong. The evidence is here. By the way, you have seen, and I can show you books that have been written where I'll be a

district attorney, you'll be the public defender. We're talking to each other. A guy gets arrested, Vinnie, and I say, hey, Vinny, judge is going to sign you. This kid with the gun charge. He's been charged, and I'm charging him because I got the evidence here, but he's got nobody. You're going to be the public defender. What else you got? This is all I got.

And we will collaborate and see evidence come forward and go, wait a minute, our minds change here. We need to drop the charge. And so it goes back and forth. So there is no – many of these people that are elected officials are lawyers by trade. There is no sin to come forward and say, we have now seen more. this is wrong. This shouldn't have been a pardon. We really need to dive into this. And 18 years old, legal age or 88, he needs to face the music. And right now just sitting there taking the fifth, this just shows just how bad it is. But the silence of everybody that said at that hearing around,

Rand Paul, to me, is a greater crime today. Because you have an opportunity to reassure America that next time when Congress is voting on what? The lockdowns and everything? No, no. Before he ever got the pardon, what did they give the pharma industry? Immunity. Immunity until 2072 or whatever the year is.

Exactly. Yeah, until 2074, whatever the year was. And think about the line, Pat. Think about the line. Tom, you got COVID. You got COVID, Tom. Okay? And it was really, really bad.

Right? It was a real disease and it was really bad. imagine if all the lies, Tom, if you were on ivermectin or hydrochloroquine and wasn't, you weren't scared of taking it. They wouldn't give me ivermeterate a hyrachron. My own doctor was in favor of it, but the hospital that I was at said that their corporate policy was that that was not a viable treatment and not

an allowed treatment because they didn't want the liability of treating with it. I went through it personally. Well, imagine you're the everyday American back during COVID. You don't know what to make of any of this. You're scared, you're confused, you're unsure. And the one person that you're supposed to rely on,

the one person who he said, all right, this guy actually knows what he's doing was Dr. Anthony Fauci. And wow, did he let us down? You know, the famous JFK quote, ask not what your country can do for you, what can do for your country, he probably should have read that a lot more

because it seems like he was way more concerned with his own image and being on the cover of magazines and being the what hottest guy alive. So there's how many deadly sins? Seven deadly sins. For me, there's pride. You know what's above pride? There's hubris. Excessive pride. I'm the best. Nobody's better than me. Look at me. I deserve everything. I'm important. I'm famous. And if you told me at the time that that was going through Fauci's mind, I go, that's crazy. Who thinks like that in the middle of a pandemic when the whole country and the whole world is relying on you?

but sadly enough that's what his mindset was that's crazy and last thing if you're Bill Ackman or if you're any person that's trying to start a family if you have a miscarriage

oh man that's tough you have seven miscarriages and now you no longer have a second child or God forbid even our first child because Dr. Anthony Fauci recommended something that turned out not to be true ooh wee

there's a special place in health and by the way thank God Bill Ackman is a billionaire and famous. How about the other people that are not? How about the regular day-to-day person that if they post this, they get two likes, one comment and, you know, 17 comments and nobody pays attention to it.

There were so many people that went through this, and it was so painful. And God forbid, if you were to say, I think it's because the vaccine. No, you can't say, it would never do it. It would never do it. The Buffalo Bills player passed out, and all these athletes are probably,

it's got nothing to do with it. You cannot at all. I'm like, dude, relax. Maybe it does. And that reaction is what pissed everybody off to say, how do you know? How do you know? And so that is why to me when we were going through to 2024, one of the top five things that was very important to me is accountability for Fauci, because if you want to increase the trust in the FBI, in the CIA, in the U.S. government, the way you increase the trust is by there actually being accountability for when the government gets it wrong. If you don't do that, it's going to keep declining and declining and declining.

regardless whether the president is Republican or Democrat. Let me get to the next story. Brad Pitt, one of my favorite actors of all time. God knows how many times I've seen Mitcho Black. I watch Billy Bean Moneyball two days ago, and I've seen that movie 40 times. I think honestly, Brad Pitt is so recognized for being the sexiest, best-looking guy

that people forget how great of an actor the guy is. Like, literally, go back to Legends of the Fall, go back to a river runs through it, go back to so many freaking things. Troy, we watch Troy a few weeks go fight club. Guys, phenomenal. Story comes out about Brad Pitt drinking again. Okay?

Story comes out about Brad Pitt drinking again. I want to go to the page, page 11. And exclusive inside Brad Pitt's very personal decision to start drinking again. After seven years of sobriety, his life changed. And so Brad Pitt drinking again. Why would he start drinking? There was a couple comments about this that I read in a few different stories. But after seven years, Brad Pitt is drinking again and says he knows his limits.

This is a very personal decision that's unique to Brad and his own circumstances. The source told page six over time his life changed and he reached a point where he felt comfortable making a different choice for him. That means moderation and being very conscious of his limits. The decision doesn't take away from the years. He spent sober. The 60-year-old Oscar winner revealed the change in Esquire interview published Monday. I was sober for seven years. then I got back off the wagon, he explained, and he now drinks in a more restrained matter.

I got overconfident a couple times when, yep, nope, not good for me. He can have a few drinks, but not a lot. I have to be a professional about it. Pit quit quit, quit, quit, Angelina Jolie, telling Dax Shepard's armchair expert podcast last year that his first AA meeting found him pretty much on my knees. The couple's eight-year divorce battle ended in December of 2024, which, by the way, I think a fourth kid just recently changed her last name to Joe Lee and dropped Pitt. Imagine as a father how painful that is to continue to happen.

I think one of the things he said is the reason why he started drinking again was because of personal reasons, personal life, personal things that he's experiencing. And then the story comes out with Connor McGregor ends alcohol, sobriety in support of Brad Pitt. This is another story that just was dropped. There are two empty seeds on the wagon. Connor McGregor got win the Brad Pitt's decision to consume alcohol again and said he'll drink to that. The former UFC champion who opened up a sobriety leading up to last six months Max Holloway's fight announced his audible Tuesday, saying fellow actor inspired him to have a couple of pints of Ford Stout, the brand he launched in 2020. I've decided to have a few pines of the world's creamiest.

So whether this is a marketing stunt or not, it is not for Brad Pitt. Brad Pitt is officially back drinking according to the story. So Vinnie, for somebody, you haven't had a lick of alcohol for a little over three years. May, three years and three months, I think. Yeah. 39 months, give or take. So you haven't had any of it, June, July. May 31st.

May 31st of 2023 is the last time you had alcohol. When you hear this story with Brad Pitt and you've been disciplined for all this time and your life has changed completely, how do you process the story? I mean, I can only imagine that the relationship with Angelina, you know, because he was with Jennifer Anderson, married at the time, this happened. Life is, you know, life is not doing well, you know, A-A meetings and all that stuff. He's down on his knees. And then you get over it, Pat, and then everything's going, because once you're an alcoholic,

like once you have that in you, like, my father, his father, grandfather, it's in us, that addictive personality, it's going to be in you. So when people go, oh, I'm not an alcoholic anymore, no, no, you're always going to be an alcoholic, so to speak. But there's different types of alcoholics. There's the ones that have to wake up and drink. That's just you have to because it's in your body or something's going to happen. Then there's just the like, you know, casual, I'm going to have one.

I know how to control or, you know. Which one do you think he is right now? I think, well, depending on how this is going to happen, I'm really hoping it's just going to be like a wine or, you know, something with dinner or a meal. But the sounds of it, like, listen, it sounds like he's like, I'm off the wagon. Listen, I don't, I don't think when you have problems like that and you're going through. through it, that poisoning yourself is the answer. And it's never going to be the answer. That's just a crutch that's going to keep happening.

And who knows? Because listen, once that ball starts rolling down the hill pat, you're not going to be able to control how fast it's going to go. Saying it, and I hope to God, it stays just wine. I don't know what he drinks or how big of a drinker he is, but I know for a fact, like, there's no, there's nothing, there's no problem that's going to, like, want me to go back to that because I know what the outcome is going to be. And a lot of people, I've heard this so many times,

I can control it. I'm better than it. I have a grasp. It's not going to be what you think. And those people, to me, are the ones that the majority of the time that I know from my experience fall off the hardest. And I feel from, I'm with you, one of the best, one of the best added. I can only, can you imagine, some of these kids he adopted from, like, Cambodia? Like, can you imagine you're adopting these people?

You're getting them out of freaking poverty. And now you want to change your last name as if I didn't have nothing to do with you? Like, you would have still been in freaking Cambole. Cambodia. You know what I mean? So, you know, I can only imagine what he's going through, but my, my prayers are going to be for him, and I hope it doesn't get as bad as it's supposed to be. I have three quick thoughts. Number one, I cannot imagine what it would be to have your children being manipulated to taking the identity away from them in the form of your name. After all the things you did for them and you've adopted them and everything like that. Even none of us were perfect people. None of us are perfect above. So number one, I cannot imagine what that's like the stress. Number two, I could see how it might take you. back. I don't know how he looked at himself as a full alcoholic or a problem drinker, or he was trying to go to AA to counter the claims that you drink too much, and maybe he wasn't a categorized alcoholic. I don't know that, but he was very, very open about it. And my third point is, when you're under great stress, you've got to be careful. You dance with the devil, he bites hard. And I hope that

the stress of going through point one with his kids is not leading him to make a compromise point two that leads other problems. When you have great stress, I believe you need to get to great friends and the foundation of a great faith. And I think that needs to be your foundation through it. You shouldn't turn to, I think, self-medication of any form. But I applaud the fact that he's out here being open about it so that people can see into, say, wow, you know, maybe, you know, if a famous person is having this, maybe, you know, I need to reflect on things I'm doing. Maybe I don't need to do this. So I think him being public about it is going to hopefully helping people cope and not giving people green lights to drink. But I can see the trigger he's talking about.

Life is all about moderation. If you're able to moderate your drinking, I don't have a problem with somebody having a couple glasses of wine. What I've realized in my many, many years of partying in South Beach, and going out, and I've been to enough events and parties for 10 lifetimes, is how much do you want to turn up the dial? What I've recognized is, like, one time Vinny came out with me, he went volume 10. And I'm like, slow down, buddy. You know, the way I live my life, and this is me about moderation. You're going to publicly tell the time he was dancing on the stage and taking his clothes off and the girls and all that stuff.

Well, why would you put his business? That goes, I would. Take it off, baby. They come to me and I'm just like, yeah. Put it this way. The world is a lot better with Vinny not drinking, and the world is a lot safer without I'm not driving. Amen.

So what I would say is if you're going to have a few drinks, I look at things as a volume dial. I like to keep my volume at a three to a four, have a couple drinks, that's fine, because I can do that. I'm a moderate type person. I moderate my activities. Some people, when they go, they go.

Yep. And the reality is, he said, I can have a more restrained manner of drinking. I'll just make one suggestion to the Brad Pitts of the world, to the Tony Romas of the world, the Tiger Woods of the world, don't drink and drive. Just do that. I don't care how messed up you get.

Do not get behind the wheel of a car and turn into Wolf of Wall Street, Leonardo DiCaprio trying to get home on Kualudes, bro. But here's the thing, though. He had a major problem with drinking. I get where you're coming from. But if you had to go to AA, Adam, A, like that, this is a serious drinking problem. It's not like, yeah, I'm going to stop. If you were that guy and now you're like, well, I'm back.

It's like the comparison, Pat's like, you can't do that. You can't. Look, does he give you the vibes that he has real close friends that love him? Yeah, I would think so. He gives me that vibe. I think so. Does he give you the vibe that he's the guy you love? You're like, man, that's my boy.

That's the guy I'm rooting. He makes up the phone all the time. Yeah. He gives me that vibe. So I don't know. You know, in life at this phase, you know, a guy like him, he has a handful of people that will tell him exactly what he needs to hear

and who he respect. I hope those people are giving them the right feedback because you're going to have some people that are going to give the feedback that he gave, which is what, don't worry about it, moderation, all this other stuff. Not everybody has the moderation DNA. Some people have the hardcore, obsessive, hypomanic,

you know, like, hey, you know, if you're going to go, you're going to go. You can't, you can't do that. You can't mess with it. So I don't like it. I don't like the story. I actually didn't want to read the story because I don't like hearing stories like this.

I don't like hearing a guy like him going through a phase like this. I think what could get this to settle down is a good girl. Now, how you find that nowadays in Hollywood and knowing everybody wants you because of your looks and sexy and all this stuff that it's going to be very hard. To all the young people that are watching this or fathers, mothers, man, talk to your kids about who they marry. And don't talk to them about it when they start dating somebody.

Talk to them about it way in advance before they start dating. When they're 13 years old, when they're 12 years, I'm talking about my daughter's boyfriend and she's 10 years old and she doesn't have one. I'm talking to her of what's going to happen when men start flirting with her and how to pick them good. And what happens? And we need to have those conversations early, because one bad girl can destroy your life. To me, Angelina Jolie, when I watched the movie Original Sin,

I don't think she was acting. I think that was her. I watched the movie. I'm like, oh my God, she destroyed Antonio Banderas's life. Have any one of you guys seen this movie or no? Back in the day, like 20 years ago. Do you remember the movie or no, Vinnie? Of course.

Original Sin. Riddiquely. Very good. She was the most gorgeous woman. Yeah, she was on that list of gorgeous woman. But that's a part of it. It's a part of it. So, you know, you know who could potentially help Brad Pitt out?

Jennifer Aniston. And I don't know if she drinks or not. If she's living a better life, I don't know. I mean, you know, that's the, sometimes it's like a different kind of a love, you know, that you have that maybe can make that phone. Can't go backwards like that. Well, I don't know how. I'm not in the business of what they like personally. I'm not, I'm just saying like, whatever they want to do, they can do.

Well, let me get to the next story. Next story I'm going to get into is the following. AOC. Dingo. Is officially dominating Newsom. You know why? Because Newsom looked around and said, Hey, let me try this getting to the left of center

and bring Charlie Kirk on and Steve Bannon on and these conservatives, Hannity's on. And maybe that's going to get me to be more moderate. He was headed in the right direction. That was the strategy for him to be a president. But he doubted himself. And he said, no, let me be a socialist. Newsom said, let me be a socialist.

I'm going to join because AOC is my leader. That's what Newsom said privately and publicly. When he said, I think we need to make wealth tax, not just the state thing. Damn it, we need to bring you to every American and American because the top 10% of Americans own 90% of all the stocks. He just said that. The moment he said that, I said, what a big mistake. Officially your leader is AOC.

And I said this a year and a half ago. when you know you're watching this, when you're watching a podcast, and Tom was fight me hard throwing pens at me. I said, AOC is going to be the one for Democrats. You're out of your mind. I would get me next. You're crazy. You don't know what you're talking about.

You've lost it. What happened to the good old days where PBD was a pa-b-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa. I said, I didn't tell you she's going to be president. I just said she's going to be the candidate for the left. She is. And you have to know the DSA's out there. And you know what happens? Cali comes out and you know what Cali does.

You get, listen, nowadays, you got to trust where people are putting their monies in. Not telling you it's 100%, you know, where you go by it and this is it. But this is officially the first time. You see the blue? Can you zoom in a little bit so people know how competition works? See the blue? Look at, go to the peak of the difference between blue and green. At one point it was 37%- About a year ago.

To 9.6, and that's less than a year ago, Vinny. That's 10 months ago. Yeah, V. And nine months ago, all of a sudden, boom, AOC takes over, and AOC is officially first place ahead of Newsom because Newsom became a socialist. What a sweetheart you are. And he's not, by the way, deep down aside, he's not a socialist. Of course he's not.

Deep down I said he's a center left that can get along behind closer. You know who he is? You know how Hunter Biden and Tucker talked behind closer? Say, can you give me something like that? Of course. That's who Newsom is. 100%. Newsom probably hung out with Republicans and hanging out.

His wife was, you know, he used to be married to, what's her name? Kim Gilfoy. He was married to her. Dine Republican. Best looking couple. So he hung out. And then all of a sudden he's like, hey, one advisor or one dumb thought, maybe I got to be a socialist.

So Tom, you follow this stuff very closely. By the way, I take a lot of shots and I'm having fun with Tom. If you guys didn't see the video, maybe we'll show the video to you guys or what happened yesterday. See your own president. Apparently a lot of people liked it. But I will tell you, beyond close door. You guys don't hear this.

I hear this. The people who do polls privately talk about the one name that they trust a lot nowadays with polls and making predictions is Tom Ellsworth.

That's where I go. And a lot of people see now he got a wrong with AOC but aside from the... That's fine. He's not Jesus Christ. The most part you've got to pay attention to what he's got to say.

Tom, how do you process this? So I process it I'll give bullet points on what you were talking about. What Pat was talking about And we have the image right here. We don't need to play it. But you see the image on screen.

That was Gavin Newsome. I believe that was June 26th. Puts on a suit and tie sitting there in the office, books behind him, a different look for Gavin Newsome. And he took more than one step toward DSA and the socialist side. Why? Because he saw what was happening to him in prediction markets and in polling. He wasn't surging out to be the de facto presumed candidate. So he was doing that while AOC was keeping an eoc.

even keel. Did she run away from DSA? She did not. But did she kind of just lean toward establishment and try to level it out and obviously was getting coaching and suddenly her answers were a little less, you know, different that we were used to? Yes, that started happening. And then, Pat, last week, what did the Democrat establishment do in the last 30 days with Hong? It was like, no. Get away from us. Get away from us. And they ran to the establishment candidate. And he won by a whisker, right? A whisker at night. Or point something.

By point something, right? That's exactly what happened. So what is going on right now is Gavin Newson chose wrong to lean toward DSA a little bit because he wanted to make it like, let's make a big. He flinched. He flinched. He flinched. Big mistake. And AOC was getting coached.

And she then this week says, well, maybe woke 1.0 was a little crazy. she's stepping back from where she was with the new green team and everything that she went with that. No, the squad and the new green energy, right? New green deal. All of that, she's leaning back toward the establishment. Why? At the same time, the establishment is going against Hong. And now what you have?

Traditional polling, there's going to be a reckoning, Pat. There's going to be a reckoning. Traditional polling on a national basis because of her existing presidential, you know, machine that is still in place but on idle is you still have Dems. Rasmussen ran 2,000 Democrats, likely voters, and they span states. They still have Harris at 30 points, Newsom at 13, and AOC at 10. But the prediction markets are running ahead of it. And I think what's about to happen, Pat, we're having a reconciliation of the old polling

and increasingly difficult times they have getting a hold of people, clipboards in front of Walmart. You know what I mean, Pat? It's increasingly hard to get good polls that way, and the prediction markets are here, and I believe right now we have seen the tipping point. Will it stay tipped? But I call AOC the Democrat candidate frontrunner by a whisker right now.

We'll see how it shakes out. No, no, no, no, I'm saying is numerically. Numerically. This is the view. No, I'm saying this despite the other regular polls up because Kamala Harris, when I... Finally converted Tom. Yes. But Pat, yesterday.

Did I convert you or no? Be honest. You led with this thing, and I followed that. And I think you did influence me. Yeah. Absolutely. I can't say no. But let me, so I want to ask you question, Tom.

This is the part that Tom is very good. I'm going to show you guys something here. I'm going to ask you guys four things. And I want you to score it, zero to ten. I'm not messing around. I know you're not, Tom. And this is, we, like, people don't know how we are behind closed doors. Like, we're like this 24-7.

I'm going to ask you, I want you to score them, okay? Each of these things, zero to 10. Okay. How much do you think the market respects AOC versus Newsom, zero to 10? So say like nine, eight. Which market? Establishment Democrats were going to. The Democrat.

Just go to the majority of the Democrats. Don't just put her following. So just Democrats. Just put the market. Everybody. Everybody. Everybody. Respect, sir?

Respect. And we're judging AOC versus Newsom only, yes. Oh, versus 0 to 10. Go. Oh, versus Newsom? Yes. Oh, okay. So everybody. Yes.

Got it. Okay. Okay. Okay, go. Respect. AOC versus Newsom. What is yours? What do you give respect to AOC?

Over Newsome, eight. So AOC, you give eight. What do you give Newsome? Five. I'm eight five. The Democrat voters. So what's your Newsom? Five.

So Thomas 85. What are you? Eight five. Okay. You're also eight five. Where are you? I'm seven four. Your C.

Seven. Perfect. Newsom. Watch how this is going to go. Likeability. Zero to 10. AOC Newsom, likeability. You're going to see my score on this.

Likeability? Yes. 9-3. 9-3. 9-9-Tom, 3 Newsom. I agree. Newsom has become not likable. He effed up royally.

What do you give to? What do you give? I give 9-2. He's a serpent. What do you give him? 7-3. Okay, so stay 7-3. Fair.

Fear. Who do you think is feared? Like, oh, shit, man. I better not cross. her, I better not cross him because he or she and their following is capable of coming after me, and they're strong, loyal, devout fear. What do you score?

Eight, eight, and another three. Because she has a follower. You're right. Where do you put it at time? I put it at 9-2. Chuck Schumer's people have leaked that he is scared shitless. Exactly. Her running for his sentence. Give me at him. I'm at 7-2. Perfect. You're staying the same place. Now, talent.

The ability to debate, talent. That's it. This changes now. Okay. Talent. A ability to debate. Go ahead. Five, eight. Okay. So he's okay, but she can't, she doesn't, she doesn't have it. Fair. Fair. Tom. Eight, four, but her four is improving. Oh, you, no, no, four eight, Tom. Adam, go ahead. Newsom, uh, 11. Yep, because he's just, yeah, the most talented, lying politician ever. Yeah. And she's a five. Okay. And then last but not least. Loyal following, influence, social media, all of that. AOC, Newsom.

Eight, AOC. She has him, right, and die. And to me, that he's sounding with him, three. Flip floppy. What do you go with? Tom, what do you go? No, we're talking social media. I'm 10-2.

Okay. And then Adam? I have AOC at eight. There's some people that disagree with her, and I have Newsom as a one. I don't know anybody that goes, that's my guy. So to help me understand. Do the score. You want to add them up?

No, no. It's not. It's a, it's a runaway. It's the only thing. The only thing, if she was my girl, my candidate. She's available these days. I'm just saying for the single gentleman out there. I'm talking about, I know she is, and they had

a breakup, and somebody asked her questions yesterday. She says, I really don't like to address any personal matters of my life. Oh, right. But let me jab my stuff. You were jabbing yourself ideas. Formal. She's used to getting hit by. This was it yesterday. Play 10 seconds of it. It's not a long video. Are you and Riley Roberts still together?

I don't comment on my private life. Your mother wants that she loves Riley and wants to see you guys get married. Is she going to get her a wish? Again, I don't comment on my private. Okay, you can pause it right there. You can pause right there. You can pause right there.

I'll stab myself in the belly. The number one thing she needs to do is go higher, the best of the best. Historian from the right. She needs a historian that's the right to help her out. She needs to bring a debate person from the right, not the left. She needs to bring people that she,

is sitting there coaching her, how to debate, how to have these positions, how to, she's going to have to go through all of this. And it needs to happen yesterday. And if it, if that, if that part, that will be the only reason why she doesn't end up winning. It won't be because of all the other stuff. It will be only because of debate. If she's able to show up in the two primaries, she's the candidate. So she needs the coaching.

I don't know who's doing the coaching on the back end to her. That kind of came out the wrong way. I don't know who was like coaching her properly to get her ready on, on, on the, political stuff. But, you know, I think if she has that, I think she's got a shot and she's formidable. Do you think, he has a better organization raising money, but that's something to be corrected once they see the momentum. You have to be likable, Tom. You have to be likable. You know, you have to, when Ben and I were having this conversation the other day, he said something that says people respect me, but people love, you know, Tucker. He's got a, he's got a like following.

You have to, you, likeable, we put a very low score on likeability. But in these types of moments, You need to have a very high score of likeability. You got to be likable. You got to be likable. So, yeah, I think this is going to be an interesting situation between the two of them. Cali market's already, you know, saying what's going to be happening. The market's putting the wager behind AOC. And I've been saying this for a good 18 months now that she's going to be the Democratic.

Do you think Gavin peaked too early? Do you think there's time for him to come back? I think he had zero strategy. He did exactly what John Kerry did. He did exactly what John Kerry did. We honestly, you know what we should do? we should send we should send Newsom

some Future Looks Bright flip flops I think he would like it if we send him some Future Looks Bright flip flops to remind them yeah we have Future Looks Bright Flip Flop because, by the way and I'm talking about some high quality flip flops that we have that's his future looks right on it

yeah good ones if you want to go find it Connor so people can see it we have some high high quality flipflop but that's exactly what this guy go to search just go to search you don't need to make it hard for yourself Yeah, that's exactly what this guy did to himself. That's what he did.

Watch LeBron James' picture come up. He flip flopped. And he kept going and going and going instead of telling us what do you stand for. He couldn't do it. He couldn't do it. Go a little bit lower. That one right there. Click on that one.

That one sells out. Every time it comes out, middle one, the middle one? Look at that one. That goes instantly every time. Surprise we have them right now. These slides goes like this. Those are gel on the bottom is the most comfortable flip-flops. Newsom, you got to worry this because it shows you love America and it shows that you believe the future looks bright, but he messed up.

And by the way, some people are going to say, it's his camp's fault. No, you have to stand tall. You have to sometimes make the decision that is not what everybody, that's the leading indicator. You got to be the leading indicator that gives a controversial position and everybody says, oh, he's out of his mind, he's crazy. No, you followed, trailed AOC, massive, massive. mistake, massive mistake that they made. And she's getting... You want to talk about the breakup? He also went the wrong way.

He had the Hillary playbook. Attack Trump, attack Trump. Trump's not on the ballot in 2028. And he mishandled his own scandals. Hillary mishandled her own scandals, the server and everything it went with it. He went into so old school and didn't make the decision. But let me tell you why I think Hillary did a

better job than Newsom, because Hillary at least went against Bernie. Hillary at least knew I'm not a socialist. Yeah. Hillary at least put her foot down and said, this is what I stand for. She never went toward Bernie to get his voters. No, I get Hillary more. But by the way, you know what Hillary's problem was?

CIA. What do you think was Hillary's biggest problem? What do you think her score is unlikability? Oh, my God. The lowest likability score of all times is Hillary. People are scared of her. Yeah. People are scared. By the way, no politics.

Having dinner with AOC, you think you would actually enjoy the dinner? We'd laugh and act like New Yorkers. You think dinner with Hillary Clinton you would enjoy it. Imagine Acosta DiAngelo. Can we have some bison? Is that what you're going to order? Go ahead. Yeah.

Go ahead. Yeah. It's ladies first. But go ahead if you want to be. Holy sure. I brought some hot spots. Yeah. I want to touch anything.

But AOC would laugh and joke and do this. And likability, man. Never underestimate the power of likeability. The challenge is what you say, every you want to say about Hillary, she was at least smart and calculated. Yeah. In my opinion,

these female potential candidates from Hillary to Kamala to AOC are getting more likable, but way dumber. You think that AOC would stand a chance on the debate stage versus any credible person? Let me ask you a question. That to me is the problem. How do you do in debates?

What's that? How do you doing debates? I'm asking you, how do you do on debates? How do I do on debates? How do we all doing debates? You think we're all like these. It depends on what you're solving. But what I'm saying to you is, can that be taught?

Of course. Of course it can be taught. All right. And guess what it takes? You know, people don't realize, like, I can have somebody that I debate with if people think I like sit around and just create content all day. They don't know what like what I did at 9, 30, 10 o'clock last night.

The emergency meeting we had that was a phenomenal meeting. We had with our executives for three and a half four hours. It's a great meeting. What I'm trying to tell you is AOC has to prioritize everything towards becoming smarter. She's got to read the Republican positions as well, not the socialist positions. She's got to bring the right people to prep her. She has to, and that can be taught. We put too much value into being smart.

You think Trump was the smarter candidate that won? No, Trump knows people. He knows how to show. He knows how to show up. He won people over. Hillary Clinton's likability score is the worst ever. And by the way, Newsom, maybe the worst trust score ever. He ruined it himself.

Like you almost won. Like for me, you know what I want it? I want him in the ring. It's a very weird thing for me because this is a cool. sport. I like the sport. I wanted to see Newsome against Rubio or Newsom against J.D. I actually want to see that. Yeah. I think it's good for television. Because that would be debated. He debated. He will fight, but he will be in gold. But Rubio's legit. Rubio's is equal. I fully agree with you on the likability. I get that. But there's also policies. And I just don't understand how

that could win in the general. But Trump did in no policies, guys. Trump is one of one. No, but AOC isn't on Trump's level. But nobody's rapping about AOC. telling you she's at Trump. Nobody has AOC's name on their building. But Adam, watch. Trump is an anomaly. But Adam, watch this because all the stuff that's happening right now, look at how strategic, freezing her eggs, ex-fiancee for 10 years gone.

You know why? Because he's a tech millionaire. By the way. They're changing the image. Can I tell you something, though? Can I tell you something? Blindspot. Me and AOC follow each other.

We've DM'd each other. We've talked to each other. We've seen each other's posts. And every once in a while, I will tell you this is, I don't think of me. America will elect a single woman. I was just going to say that. I don't think they will. I think she needs a relationship.

And so the concern to be a single woman... With no kids. May I? Sir. Instead of being a person in a relationship, the worry that, well, America's going to have the first, what do you call it, not lady, the first gentleman,

whatever they call it? I don't think that's an issue. I literally don't think that's an issue today. I don't think it is. I think her being single splits her chances by you know how much? 50%. My position changes after the breakup.

If she stays single, she can't stay single. She'll be... And I agree because... She needs a relation. She's going to pivot right to somebody else. Oh, just... They're going to put a plant in there. Well, she froze her eggs for a reason.

They're going to bring some guy pat that's probably going to be more conservative, more palable to the conservative people and the independence because she has to soft... Guys, guys, she has to soften her language. The image, She has to be more mature than this radical leftist DSA nonsense. That's why I'm telling you right now, they're going to introduce the reasonable, nicer, AOC,

and then a guy is going to come. This is all... But she needs the guy to be sooner. Like James Fishback, he was with a girl, then we went to a different girl, and then they got married, and then they were having a kid. That timing was a little bit too hurry, okay? Strategically, he is a better campaigner than Byron Donald.

He's a better campaigner than Jay Collins and a better campaigner than what do you call it, Paul Renner. Policy-wise, I'm more on Renner. Like, renters, believe it or not, policy-wise, I like Renner on how he presents his stuff. What's his trustworthy score? Trustworthy score would be lower. But he is a very good presenter, right? But to me, AOC can't delay this relationship thing. And maybe there's somebody already in there where she's making a moment to find out.

Can you just DM her and ask her if she likes funny Assyrian guy? Vinny, I'll take one for the team. Vinny that. Vinny? That would be the funniest. I actually think you guys would get along. AOC needs to. It just, it would be a problem.

It wouldn't work yet. That obviously. I think on a date, honestly on a date, you guys will laugh your asses off. Who pays? Wait, wait, wait, wait. I have a message for Elon Musk. He's a man. He'll pay.

About AOC being a single president, I have a message for Elon Musk. Ask not what your country can do for you. Right. Ask what you. You can do for your country. Go for it, Elon. All right. So here we go.

Let's go to the next one. Next door I want to get into is the SPLC story. Kind of weird, little weird, maybe a lot of weird. Yeah, a lot. So you know this whole Charlottesville that was all the Magas fault or right wing, extremists, all this other stuff? What if you were to learn that maybe the people behind Charlottesville, it was really this SPLC thing

that apparently they're supposed to bring blacks and whites together and unify. DOJ charges former Southern Poverty Law Center, CFO with fraud. You know when your CFO get charged with fraud? You know what the CFO knows, with finances? Everything. Okay?

And this story, you know who it's written by, not by Breitbart, not daily caller, not the, you know, all these other sites, Fox. No, no, this isn't Blaze. This is written by ABC News. So let me read it to you. The Southern Poverty Lawson, a former chief financial officer, was arrested Wednesday charged with fraud

and a superseding indictment accusing her of overseeing fraudulent donor payments to informants inside hate groups, including one with whom she allegedly had a romantic relationship with an shared a bank account. Heidi, uh-oh. Pyrick, if you can put her up so we can see her face, was arrested in California Wednesday morning in charge

with counsel including conspiracy to commit wire fraud and money laundering. Prosecutors says, Berwick, who previously let the SPLC hate group track and section, was among several individuals who oversaw payments to people who infiltrated white supremacist groups as informants. The indictment alleges one British Berwick approved payments for was an imperial wizard in the Q Klux Klan. What?

What? You can't make this. What? And that Berwick had a romantic relationship with another person, the SPLC, paid over a million dollars since 07 between 2015 and 2021, approximately $140,000 in SPLC donor money flowed into a bank account she allegedly shared with that person.

So let me ask you, I learned this from Anthony. Would you consider her a rocket? Is she like a rock? She's a dime, obviously. She's gorgeous. She's your type. She's more like a bomb. Yeah. In April, the SPSC was charged as an organization with bank fraud and money laundering over the informant payments. Berwick is the first named individual charged. Attorney General Todd Blant said the case,

shows investigators will keep on working it even after the initial indictment. Vinnie, thought. Connor just said she's a rocket like the shuttle. He's hilarious. But guys, can you like just wrap your head around this? The irony is unbelievable for years. She's warning America how these Nazi and white supremacist groups were growing under Donald Trump.

It was, she was dating an alleged white, white supremacist Nazi in the freaking KKK or whatever. Well, in her defense, she's going to take whatever she can get. Oh, I can't even get mad at that. The beggars can't be chosen. I'm an imperial wizard. Fine. Yeah, yeah.

At least he's high right. Does he have a male member? I'm in. But I mean, this, I just want people to understand this. These organizations, this SPLC, BLM, every, is it just me or every single thing that the left has done? It's all a lie. From Russia to impeachments to collo.

to January 6th, to racism. Guys, understand this. We're constantly told that America is the most racist country ever to exist, and they keep having to manufacturing that racism is here to prove it. Like, everybody's racist. They have to make racism. Manufacture.

The fracture. Thank you. So, like, for instance, go back, Jesse's member, Juicy Smouye, whatever the hell his name is. Oh, yeah. When he said he was attacked by MAGA supporters and turned out the attack was too black Nigerian brothers who were in on it

allegedly. Then there was Bubba Wallace. Remember the NASCAR? There was they were told someone left a noose hanging in his garage. FBI determined that the rope was been there, had been there from 2019, and it was just for the garage to pull it up or pull it down. How many of these stories

have to keep on coming? If America is as racist as these people keep telling us, why do they have to keep on making this nonsense up? And think about it, the news cycle is so much. Nobody even gives, like, we're the I think there's like three people including us that are talking about this story. I'm good for her that she's getting arrested.

Accountability is happening. But I just want shout out to America, okay? America, that everybody says that we're this racist nation. We're not. There's millions and millions and millions of dollars behind it to manufacture the stuff to make everybody think that everybody's hateful and this. No, we're actually a loving dope country. Yes, there are some racist here left and right.

But the main people around it that are pushing it, that are pushing it, are not only paying for it, They're dating the actual Nazis that they're warning us that this country has. So good for you and good for our thoughts. I have two thoughts here. The first thought is the DNC Democratic National Committee should just change its name. They can keep DNC because it means dirty tricks never cease. Nice. So number one.

And number two, there is more coming from the Department of Justice for SPLC. The one person you want to get, if you know an organization is really corrupt and you want to take down everyone, you know who you start, with the CFO. You know what they did at Enron? They went after Andy Fastow. And you know who they got? They got Ken Lay and they got Jeff Skilling. And they created a triangle around them and they got them all. And when you hear the dirty tricks that they played on Andy Fastow, not that he was innocent, we've talked to him and I think he was doing stuff that everybody else did, but they claimed by the letter of the law here and they really pinched him in a terrible way. The one person you want is the CFO. The CFO knows everything and knows. And the questions go like this. Okay, how much money was sent here? Yeah. Who approved that? Did the president approve that? Yes, the president approved. I have the email right here where he approved me to send it. Now they got him. This is just the beginning and I'm glad to see it because SPLC has been not the Southern Poverty Law Center. It has been an arm, almost like, you know, USAID organizations at Route the

doing bad things. All it was was a funded organization that was out there doing dirty tricks. But that's my take. I'm not going to go deep on SPLC, Pat. They got the CFO. You know how this works. Other people are going to come down. You know what happens next. You know what happens next. What happens next? Are you like? Well, she's arrested. She's in a rat on everybody. First of all, so, who do you think knows everything? Her. That's it. She's the one. She knows who approved everything. trail of everybody who says send that money to XYZ message to her. Oh my God. Do you understand? You get her, you get her emails. It's over. That's, it's done. So then she has to either be a whistleblower and talk about all the other stuff that's going on or she takes the heat. So the PhD and racism. We'll see what it happened here. By the way, I want to cover two other stores before we wrap up. One of them is the Ukraine story. Did you see the Ukraine store? The Ukraine story is that the U.S. and Ukraine forces went head to head in an exercise. And, you know, And guess who won? Ukraine's drones won.

This is a Wall Street Journal story. And then the story comes out, Ukraine could destroy all of the Russian ballistic missiles if U.S. sells 10% Patriot supply. But before we get into the stories, and I want to get into the Candace Jones and Andrew Wilson podcast and some of the conversations we had on getting into

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It didn't go up for Americans. During the exercise called Combined Resolve, Ukrainian drones units easily spotted and defeated U.S. troops and armored vehicles on rotation from Fort Hood, Texas, around 3,500 U.S. personnel, primarily from the third armored brigade combat team, first cavalry division, which that's the biggest base we have in America. It's a very well-known decorated base. Attacked a position defended by opposition forces reinforced by Ukrainians from the 412 regiment of unmanned system forces known as nemesis. The Ukraine eliminated a U.S. armored brigade. Heavy vehicles threw up dust-at reconnaissance drones easily spotted, followed by explosive dropping and first-person view drones, scoring kills so quickly that the U.S. vehicles had to be respawned

to keep the exercise going. The Americans improved. over two weeks as they learn to disperse, conceal, and use electronic warfare. The drubbing couples with U.S. casualties from Iranian drones shows American vulnerability years after the U.S. pioneer long-range drones warfare. British and Swedish forces have suffered similar defeats. It is vital that the U.S. military master that, and thus far, unfortunately, that does not seem to be the case that Elliot Cohen, a scholar at the center for strategic

and international studies. And this story from Wall Street Journal comes out, same time when the story comes on from CNN saying Ukraine could destroy all Russian ballistic missiles if U.S. sells 10% of Patriot supply to them. Tom, when you hear this story, how do you process the story? I process it two ways. Ukraine has had to get better by necessity, and necessity drives invention, and necessity also drives urgency and speed. And Ukraine's had all three. They've had the necessity to defend themselves. They've had the urgency because of various Russian thrusts that have happened, you know, in phases during the war, and they've needed the speed so they could get

back and be the one on the offense. Whenever you have that, you always iterate faster. You always iterate faster. So apparently they've iterated faster. Point one. Point two, apparently the lack of investment during the Biden administration and things like this have led to a situation where we're not ready for certain elements of modern warfare. We have giant aircraft carriers that can sail around, and they're protected by nuclear subs and ages-class cruisers right next to them. That's the old style of warfare. Look at what's happening right now.

We still have Iran ability to make missiles launch them out of the mountainside from over here, over here, over here. So finding needles in a haystack, and then hitting some. ships. Right here what this is telling us, saying, if you gave me 10% of your patriots, because I could defend against the Russian missiles, we would go in with the drones and we would destroy the rest of them where they sleep. We saw a, I was very impressed and shocked. It was two years ago, Pat, where I believe it was two years where the Ukrainians lost and launched an overnight drone assault on Russian.

Russian bombers that were parked the way the U.S. and Russia parks the planes. You remember this, seeing this? All the Russian planes were parked in a row. And Zoom, they went over there. They overwhelmed the air defense, and they were bombing these bombers, bombing the bombers. So there's the two things. You know, Ukraine did a necessity pat, and the U.S. is not ready for this level of modern warfare. We have got everything we need for the old level of warfare.

Let's fly B-52s at high altitude and drop up. unbelievable amounts of bombs on the mountains and come back and say, we've destroyed Iran's nuclear capabilities. That's old style. This new style, this is the same thing we learned in Vietnam. You know what we learned in Vietnam, Pat? It says that we learned about guerrilla warfare. We learned about tunnels. We learned about caves. We learned about trap doors. We learned about so much in Vietnam when we pulled back that said, this is different. We also learned a big lesson in Mogadishu. We learned about urban warfare in Mogadishu. issue. And what we're finding at is that the modern war is going to be electronic war

fought by autonomous little nuisances, and we're not ready for it. And by the way, you know, in this interview with Zelensky, he's asking, I don't know if you saw this or not, Zelensky said, this year I'm asking American partners to sell me 5% of missiles, what they have in their stocks. Zelensky told CNN in an interview, if they sell us 5%, we will go through the winter and save people's lives. If they can sell us 10%, we will destroy all the Russian ballistic missiles.

The appeal came amid a severe air defense shortage. In July, Ukraine intercepted only 29 of the 195 ballistic missile, Russia launch, making it the deadliest month for civilians since the full scale invasion began in 2022. According to the UN, I have 1%. Zelensky said,

the current Ukraine acquisition of interceptors, the U.S. itself forces faces a reported missile shortage, As the Iran War depleted stockpiles, President Trump said August 6th, the U.S. needs missiles too. So imagine you're asking me for missiles. You want me to give you missiles while I'm in the middle of it? What do you? You understand what I'm saying?

Like, you want us to share it with you for what? We're in the middle of something ourselves as well, so it's not like America has the ability. By the, we do have some useful clues. Zelenskyy said it made that U.S. production was only around 60 to 65 Patriot missiles per month. So we're only doing 60 to 65 Patriot missiles per month. and argued that production needed to increase substantially. Zelensky is telling America, hey man, let's go. I need more missiles from you.

While America is dealing with Iran, this guy's asking for us to give the missiles. Trump's like, wait a minute, we may need it ourselves. So how are you processing this? Well, the fact that this is the monster that we created with Zelensky, you know, coming here, begging, remember money, give me money, give me money. This is a problem that Biden and all them invited, invited Russia to do a minor incursion. Do you remember that, Tom? I'm not even start the war, go for it, and then all the guys, you know, all the, you know, defense contractors in this whole money laundering situation.

And now we are stuck besides our own freaking war with Iran. Now we have to deal with this guy in Ukraine. And by the way, Russia, if you guys notice, Russia's been really quiet, Tom. I haven't heard that much about Putin, but how do you think Putin feels about hearing, hey, if America gives me 10% of patriot missiles, I can take out everything with ballistic missiles. That's that, buddy, if I'm Russia, I'm like, yeah, yeah, go ahead and I dare you. Because then that's going to ruin whatever relationship that we have with America. Putin's short of troops. Yeah.

And we are short of air defense. Yeah. And Ukraine is short of air defense. Yeah, I would take that. So everybody is looking at this and not liking where they are right now. No, and Tom, to me, if I've, you know, our relationship is cool with you. And then I'm going to find out if you give somebody a bunch of Patriot missiles that are going to take out all my ballistic capability, bro, that's, to me, that's active like,

okay, like now you're in on this even more because I, by the way, and again, I don't want nothing, Ukraine and Russia, I don't want that to be any of our business, okay? But Biden made it our business. And by the way, these videos are scary as hell. I've seen these drone warfare because, you know, an X, if you click on one of them, guys, it's just constantly happening. Are these Ukrainian soldiers and then Russian soldiers trying to run away from these freaking drones and there is nowhere to hide? This thing is following you. I don't care where you hide. It's coming. It's coming. So I would just, just hope. I would hope because two things. That's what it looks like. Play that clip.

Boom. It's coming to you. You're looking at it. Oh, drone's coming. Boom. Yeah. They're all gone. They're all, If you don't have shrapnel in your, all over your body. Go back 10 seconds. Go back to watch this. They think they got away. They began to hug each other thinking they had emerged from the battle on skin. And then all of a sudden they hear the sound of the drone. Oh, he's going to try to shoot?

No, you can't. By the way, I'm pretty sure the aftermath. Oh, at least the guy, they're done. They're done because it's like a five to 10 meter radio. By the way, Russia, Russian attacks killed 10 in Ukraine. As Zelenskyy says, Moscow is getting more North Korean missiles. This is just two days ago. So this is still going on.

And so for them, you know, one week, they're having a successful week. Next week, Russia's coming and saying, don't worry, we'll get it. Remember, Russia and Iran are together. So in this situation, Russia's partnership with Iran is forcing U.S. to get closer to Zelensky, even though Ukraine and Iran would be more comparable because they're the smaller ones. They are standing up against a bigger bully. And this is my thing. It's the main thing is what, protection of our troops are having these exercises

and they're showing how bad we are. Over here, number one, I obviously think that we need iron dough. You know what I mean? If we're giving all the money, all these other places to have protection, we need protection here, number one. Number two, it's all of our United States soldiers station all over the place that if something, God forbid, happens. We just saw the story.

We're not trained, Tom. And this is a freaking, this is the future of warfare. It's not even troops on the ground anymore, Pat. It's just drones coming in and blowing everything up. So we need to get ready. Yeah. Yeah, the, this is why Palmer Lucky's company, Andrew is been so successful, mass-produce it.

and mass-produced modern weapons meeting the need, Adam. Well, here's what I've learned during this Russia-Ukraine war is that Russia has been totally exposed. We thought that they were this big, bad army that, you know, could take over the world. They can't even take over land in Ukraine. They're barely winning. I mean, does anybody look worse than Putin? And I'm being completely unbiased here.

Putin, what has he accomplished in the last five years? What has he done? He's ruined his country. Hundreds of thousands and a million people have died. for what benefit? I mean, where I will criticize Trump is maybe putting too much stock that his personal relationship with Putin

might change anything. Trump campaigned on ending the war in one day. Buddy, it's been five years. I don't put that on Trump. I think he's tried, tried, tried again. I put this on Putin. I think this is Putin's legacy at this point is that your country has basically been out-maneuvered,

out-maned, out-innovated by the little engine that could Zelensky in the Ukraine. But we're giving them all the money. But Adam, think about it. Well, they're winning. If you're fighting a giant and some other giant is giving you a- Elinsky- Ukraine is winning.

You know what I'm saying? Adam, think about this. If you, Adam, ready for this? There's a giant that you're fighting. And right, it's me, I'm a little guy fighting a giant. But somebody keeps giving me everything that I need to keep shooting and fighting. It's like, what do you mean the other team is going to be losing? Pooen can't go in and just nuke Ukraine.

He can't go in there and destroy them. He has the cape of Adam. Adam, you don't think Putin could just go in there and wipe out Ukraine in two seconds. He could. But then what happens? What I'm talking about? What I'm saying is Ukraine has no chance. The only reason that they know that we're back in.

Do you remember when they talked about, this is three, four years ago that they got to give Putin an off ramp? You got to give him Putin an off ramp. You need to save face for modern Russia. I don't know. Has anything been done to give this guy an off ramp? They met over Alaska over a year ago. Remember that? Trump and Putin, is anything been accomplished?

by that? One of the saddest things is that everybody, when the Gaza Israel thing happened, everybody pivoted to Gaza. And everyone forgot that the most disastrous war that we've seen in Europe, potentially in the world, since World War II, is happening in Ukraine and Russia right now, and nothing's happening. So the glimmer of hope that I have for America, you know, they say you can win, you don't win or lose, you win or learn. America got beat on the battlefield by Ukrainian forces. And then they said America actually improved over the next two weeks that they learned to basically conceal and use electronic warfare. Thank goodness that we have an ally like Ukraine that's giving it to Russia right now that we can learn from and that we're not fighting

these people and we can use it to our advantage. Because at the end of the day, I'm with you. We care about America. We want to protect America. But it's in America's interest to make sure that Russia does not win. Yeah. And oil is $82, but the market's at an all-time high. So the K-shaped economy in the background continues. Yeah, weird. Okay. All right. Do we want to go to the story of the president getting sneaking off of a, you know,

Trump reportedly use a catering truck to sneak off Air Force One amid Iranian threats? Like, you read this story like, is this real? Is this it? Play the clip? So that's him getting off and he gets into another truck. It's behind it. Just to throw people off in Turkey while they're thinking he's on Air Force One. So that means the people that are on Air Force One if Iran was going to do anything,

so imagine you're on that flight. Hey guys, take one for the team. Well, no, imagine finding out like you're on there eating lobster and hanging out. Where is the president? The president? I don't know, no, imagine you're on the plane like, where's the president? No, no, he took a different. And you know automatically why?

What happened? You look at the flight attendants. A flight attendants are nervous. Oh my God. We don't, we typically would be here. I don't know what to tell you, Mr. Orsana. I don't know what to tell you. I can picture Trump in the trunk with all the kids.

Steakety snack right here. You know he needs me a day go, give me an hamburger. But can we make, Connor, can you check? Because from what I heard, he faked the funk, didn't get on this one. With a nasty junk. They thought he, he went on to the second one and then got off and went to a third plane. He didn't get on, can you make sure? Plains does he have?

I think, like, Trump certified, he switched planes in Turkey. Was one of these? He went to one. Well, there's a Katarget. And then he was on a, guys, he went on a jet. He went on a smaller jet with Pete Hexseth and somebody else. And I'm just saying right now, you know what had been funny? Connor made a great point.

If God forbid this person that had like a shoulder rocket fired, whatever, I don't know, whatever, the reporting of whoever even said it, if they shot down the Air Force One, you know how many Americans would have been like the leftist that sheered. We got him. Yeah, Red Man Orange. And he's just like, I'm back. And he shows up.

People would have been so freaking furious. I'll be back. Yeah, that he didn't die. But this is the clip. Can you play this? up to secret service. I just follow what they'd like to do. So I go by Secret Service and the military.

They wanted me to go in a different flight, a different plane, equal safety, but they wanted me to do it, so I do it. I do what they say. Why did they want me to do that? I love him. I guess it was a threat out there. I didn't really ask them much about it. I get a lot of threats.

Why was it too dangerous for you to fly on Air Force One, but not too dangerous for the threat? the plane that I flew on was at greater risk because that would be the plane I think that we that they would be more likely to go for. Didn't Clinton in 2000 get on a, he came on a different flight, they lied that from Pakistan. He flew into Pakistan on a different plane that everybody thought he was on.

You know what I would have said to her? Who are you with? CNN, MS now or whatever? All the crap you guys talk about me for the past, God knows how he is. Good for you. I'm out. I want to just walk the way.

Get out of here. He does that for a living. He does that. Hillary and I were in Pakistan. I just flipped off those bastards from the stairs, Air Force One. She gets in. I went the other way. I was thinking maybe my lucky day.

I process this a couple different ways. Number one, do I think that Iran wants to kill Trump? I do. Obviously. Do we have the picture that I just sent you, Connor? They're promoting it. They're saying it everywhere. They're saying death to America.

They're saying that they want to kill Trump. Here's a banner that they put up in the Islamic Republic right now. How much more obvious do they make it? We will kill Trump. Okay? That's what they're doing in Iran right now. And I get it. He took out their Ayatollah.

He took out Soleimani. So when someone tells you who they are, believe them. Number two, and this is just my speculation. Where was he leaving that plane from? Turkey. Turkey. You know how much I trust Turkey at this point? As much as you trust Ham?

About this much. Yeah. I trust Ham a little bit more than Turkey at this point. And I'm keeping going. Oh, sure, if you know what I mean. Yeah. But to me, I think you have to protect the golden goose. Trump is the golden goose.

I don't know what's going on here. But when Secret Service says getting the catering truck, Trump's getting his assing. You know who knew what was happening were the pilots of Air Force One. Nobody else knew it to later. You know the pilots were crapping in their pants, bro. Because, you know, they said a guy was walking around with a freaking surface to air missile. Like that, yo, I'm already afraid of flights, bro. That would have gone.

Protect this man, secret. service. You got a bullet in his ear. You have how many attempts in his life? Do we have that picture of when he's golfing? And then they have like some missile launcher. Do you have that? He's in Jersey. This is what you need when you're playing golf. Jersey golfing. And you see Sam that actually like their defense missiles to knock stuff out of the sky. That's what a Patriot battery looks like. By the way, it's called a Patriot battery. And look at this guy. This is what Trump is golfing. That's a hole in one, ladies and gentlemen. Each of those square containers has got four to eight missiles inside it that will seek out and knock down an incoming.

Very dangerous Joe. Last but not least, Andrew Wilson made a $300,000 offer to Candace Owens to debate him on the topic of Charlie Kirk, overwhelmingly the evidence that Tyler Robinson shot and killed Charlie and her say no. Tyler Robinson is a patsy. That debate is going to be taking place tomorrow morning, 11 a.m. Eastern Standard Time. it'll be live stream the entire time. I want to show you the intro of this. Go ahead and play this clip.

And podcaster Charlie Kirk has been shot. Tyler James Robinson is the suspect in custody. Tyler Robinson is a Patsy. Utah Valley University. I feel pretty certain about that. We got him. He texted his boyfriend and admitted to the crimes. You're saying these are his texts.

We can't even do. determine if they're fake or they're real. Redaction. I don't think your investigation has proven a single thing. There is nothing that a single shred of this case that they have delivered that has been concrete. To bring justice. I don't believe you can tie Erica to anything. I don't believe you have a single credible eyewitness or alternative theory.

You got to connect the bullet. You got to connect the person. And I'm just as connected to this case as you are, which means not at all. Dude, I'm watching it. tomorrow morning, this will be live. And we had multiple conversations. There was a lot of, well, you know, she's not doing this. He's not doing this.

She's not doing this. He's not doing this. We finally had a Zoom. We got on the call. Tom, you were on that Zoom as well. And it was very clear on exactly what his position is versus what her position is. They fully agreed on the same page. This is my position.

This is yours. Let's have it. Let's sit down. I think this is the conversation. A lot of people have. I've been waiting to take place. And respectfully, they're both formidable. Both of them know how to debate.

Both of them know what to do. Candace has, of course, got a massive follow. And Andrew Wilson is kind of coming up where he's been around the block debating hundreds. Oh, yeah. Not that he knows what he's doing. And so it should be a very, very interesting debate taking place tomorrow. I think it's going to be a world-class event. I think they're both very capable.

I think Candice is going to bring her best. I think she's going to bring her feelings. I think she's going to bring her dreams and her intuition or motherly intuition. And she might not know, but she might know, you know. And I think he's going to bring facts and evidence and debate tactics. And we'll see what happened. I think, you know, another thing that I think that stands out, Pat, is the trust that they have for you to be the moderator of this. Because they know exactly who you are.

They know you're not going to be picking any sides. And I think that trust is freaking amazing. It went from Joe Rogan to somebody else to Michael Knowles. But yeah, guys, it's been a year. It's been almost a year since Charlie, God rest of soul was murdered. And I'm very, very interested to hear both sides. And it's going to be, if you have to guess, Adam, Tom, how many live viewers? If you had to guess.

I'm saying over 300,000 people are watching live during the day on a work day. On a work day, people are going to be tuning in. I'd say 300,000. What do you think? Listen, the moderating started on that call. These are both smart people that was not a screaming mad. Pat moderated the positions to get the deal finished. I love it.

And now he's going to moderate the debate itself. But both these people came across very smart, very deferential, and to, you know, during the point of putting the call together. And now we're going to see it go live and go see, as they say, hot conflict. So I'm looking forward to it. What is his relationship with Turning Point? He doesn't work for Turning Point. He's his own guy.

I don't know what his relationship is with Turning Point. I do know, you know, he said we and the TPP USA, and I think he's going to be. He had a visit, I believe they've communicated together, but I don't know his position. I think Andrew is his own man. He is, you know, he goes way, way back to a show that I think him and Dave Smith used to have, I think, 10 years ago. This guy knows what he's doing. He's a, you know, they do this for a living.

This is their business model. He's always on that whatever takes. Cursible. Croscable. Yeah. So what were the guidelines, meaning there was no personal attacks? You have to, what, can you establish any rules? or can you tell us what's basically been agreed to?

No, they're both. They're both leaning on me to keep it about the issue for them to go back and forth with. It's a very much of a, you know, being fair and the right proper time and all this other stuff. And so the agreement came to this, you know, by the time we're done with the first position, let's just say goes 90 minutes to two hours.

By the time we go through the first position, this may be three and a half hours to five hours. I hope so. Just so you know that. This may be three and a half to five hours. So it's going to be a sit down for a while. And we have to talk about bathroom breaks and how to do it, timing, all this stuff. It's going to be, it's going to be what the audience wants to see.

Are you going to have live fact checks? Because a lot of it will be feeling. To be fair for both sides. And by the way, credit goes to Candice. Candice is like, bring your team of three to do your own set of fact check. And so while we're there, Candice has her own team. He has his own team. And if I say, hey, can we fact check that?

Both teams can fact check it and put it on the screen. And they can ask their team to pull it up. I'm telling you they're doing it the right way. Well, it's put up or shut up. This is the right way to do it. And they're the right people to do it. Some would say Andrew's got more experience with debating. And some would say Candace has more experience with this.

But regardless, the fact that both sides are kind of saying, well, the other person has the advantage, where the other person has the advantage, this is a good showdown. And are you revealing the location? I'm not saying that you're not. No, I'm not going to. No, I'm not going to. No, you'll just see that's going to be alive.

Don't worry about the location. Just, you know, keep in mind, put it on your calendar. It's going to be great. And the reason why I'm doing it is for me, it's just so you know, I'm not getting paid. This is not like, hey, you know, hey, can you pay me for this? They're not even pay me for my flight. Just everybody knows this. And I'm doing this because Candace is pregnant.

And in many cases. She's pregnant again? She is pregnant. And so we're doing this because we're going there. and you know Candace has come here many times this is one way of us going there and hosting this conversation and we're looking forward to it we're looking forward to putting your calendar it's going to be wild that's going to be intense it's going to be massive and it's going to be what many many many people have been waiting for there's a massive audience rooting for Candice and there's a massive audience rooting

for Andrew and I think it's the right show so tomorrow morning 11 am Eastern Standard Time put in your calendar you will see it here on pvd pbd p.d p.m. you know, all over the place. The clips will come out. It's going to be great. So with that being said, gang, if you're watching this, we will not be, we typically would do Monday, Friday. The reason why I'm not doing tomorrow is because of this.

We will go back to it again next Monday. And I'm sure many of you guys will be tuning in to this. Whether you like either party or not, I highly recommend tuning in and listening. And by the way, for the people that are like, well, you know, Pat's on Candace's side, Pat's on Andrew's side. I just did a Ben Shapiro interview last week.

Yeah. Do you understand like if there's anybody, so for both of them to agree to this, this is a, this is a very, very fair, uh, positioning on where everybody's at. And keep in mind,

respect to Michael Knowles, he's one of my favorite guys in the market. I love Michael Knowles, you know, what he did and what his position was. I respected. And as well as Joe, this started with Joe's podcast with,

you know, what do you call it? Andrew Wilson doing his thing. Being there, so Joe was offering as well. So everybody wants to have this conversation. We'll do that tomorrow. 11am Eastern Time. Guys, take care. Have a great weekend.

We'll do it again next week. God bless everybody. Take care. Bye bye, bye, bye, bye.