PBD Podcast - Trump's "Sh#thole" Countries, Paramount's HOSTILE TAKEOVER + Dems Affordability HOAX? | PBD Podcast | Ep. 698

Episode Date: December 10, 2025

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, and Adam Sosnick are joined by Dan Pena as they break down President Trump’s revived “sh!thole" countries” controversy, Paramount’s hostile takeover of Warner Bros, and Trump calling the "affordability crisis" a Democratic hoax.------📕 REGISTER FOR BPW: https://bit.ly/3IU2YWxⓂ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kSVkso⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠🍋 ZEST IT FORWARD: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kJ71lc ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/41rtEV4⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ABOUT US:Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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Did you ever think you would make it? I feel I'm supposed to take sweet victory. I know this life man for me. Adam, what's your point? The future looks bright. My handshake is better than anything I ever signs. Right here. You are a one of one?

My son's drive there. I think I've ever said this before. Okay, we have a fair warning for the audience today. Folks, we warned, Adam. in advance, whatever you do, don't ask our guest today about climate change. We've told them 50 times. I said, don't play this BS game because when you talk about climate change, he loses his shit.

The man just came from visiting the Pope six weeks ago. Don't mess with him. He's in a very good place. We have the one and only, the entertaining Dan Pena in the house. Dan, great to have you on here. My pleasure. You look amazing. Thank you very much.

Yes. Okay. All right. So we've got a lot of things to go through. There's a poll that we're going to cover today that is shocking, absolutely shocking, that CNN played, Harry Enton, that Tom was just talking to us about this a minute ago, of what demo the president has lost that's had the biggest plus minus just in the last 10 months that is very concerning. And it comes on to one topic. And on one topic is affordability. which we have to talk about.

It's probably going to be the first thing we're going to be talking about. The president yesterday gave a talk. In his talk, he gave some very friendly compliments to people like Ilhan Omar, calling her dumb and stupid. Tim Walts, going after Tim Walts. Again, more compliments. MTG, not some nice stuff about MTV, I think, in an interview. He said, Jerome Powell shouldn't be the Fed chair because it was auto-penn that Biden signed,

so he shouldn't be it. And then the things he said about immigrants, he says, why are we not getting some immigrants come in here from Sweden? We need some European immigrants. Why are we getting so many? Anyways, we'll talk about that on his speech. And then aside from that, last night, shocking event, folks, in Miami, last night, Mayor Suarez, who's the guy famously known for that tweet when Elon Musk was not happy by what Gavin Newsom in California were doing to him and Tesla. during COVID. And he comes at and asks a simple question on Twitter

that blows up and it was called How Can I Help? And they put together one of the best business conferences Miami's ever put together, the America Business Forum. Everybody was here. Just last night, they elected a new mayor, Democrat, that won last night, replacing, obviously Mayor Suarez did his time, but beating out the Republican Emilio Gonzalez. And apparently, Byron Donald's tried to help this man win,

DeSantis, Trump, and she won. And you know what she ran on? Affordability. So we're definitely going to be talking about that as well. On top of that, Trump green lights and videos AI chip exports to China touts 25% U.S. share. He calls affordability a Democrat scam. That's going to be a topic today. Diamond on Trump media debunking. People have to grow up here. That's Jamie Diamond. Trump says he will sign the one rule executive order to federalize AI regulation. Some like that. A lot of people don't. We'll talk about that. Trump threatens Mexico with a 5% tariff over the water dispute that they have. He struggles to persuade. Trump struggles to persuade Americans regarding the affordability issue. Again, this goes back to this thing here.

We cannot be looking past this. Maybe Dan's got a different angle that we'll talk about here today as well. 20 signs there's an affordability crisis. U.S. layoffs soar past 1.1 million in 2025 highest since the pandemic. This next one is a very technical topic that I think it's important to some employers nowadays, and this is a business insider story. Being hot is now a job requirement. Not hot, as in it's hot 88 degrees, but physically hot is now a job requirement. And HR is actually okay with it. I don't know how they do that. Oh, no. Am I getting fired? No time. It's just you're a little too hot. Okay. Fed is expected to deliver third straight rate cut this week amid labor concerns. I think it's going to happen.

time today this afternoon. American is suddenly more optimistic, slightly about the economy. That's a Forbes story. Ray Dalio says Middle East is becoming a Silicon Valley of Capitalist. David Ellison promised White House sweeping changes at CNN if they allow them Paramount to buy up, you know, Time Warner, which I think that comes with it. Jared Kushner Back Fund is part of the Paramount Warner Brothers bit. There's some new stories that just came out that Tom's going to be sharing with everybody.

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in regards to cars, the idea of the tiny cars. I don't know if you guys have been following this tiny car story, not tiny dancer. The president wants to introduce tiny cars in America, but it's a problem because it's very complicated on how to introduce these tiny cars. Rob, later on when you can pull up the tiny car stuff. But having said that, we are roughly three weeks away from 2026. One C. We host a business planning workshop. I want you to watch this video. It's this Friday. We go through a 200-page manual.

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You definitely need capital. Let's put this here. Ooh, this is hanging on on one piece here, by the way. You need the right team. For sure. You need sales. As good as this looks, if your foundation isn't built on a good business plan,

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We'll be going through a lot of different things, especially my own plan for 2026 that I reveal in this event that we do once here. Having said that, let's get right into it. Affordability keeps coming up. and it's annoying a lot of different people, Tom. Dan, it's just so frustrating right now that affordability topic on what they're saying. Yesterday, the president, Harry Enton, I want to go into right off the bad, Rob. Harry Anton shows this poll on what's going on with the younger generation, okay?

Trump's net approval rating from ages 18 to 29 from February to now. Go ahead, Rob. As you know, Donald Trump put in the best performance for a Republican presidential candidate among young voters since George W. Bush did back in the early 2000s. And, you know, he started off his term, his net approval rating among voters under the age of 30 at plus 10 points. Hey, that's pretty gosh darn good. But you come over now, according to CBS News, U.Gov. This isn't falling into the water. This isn't going under the seas.

This is going into a deep, dark, black hole. Look at that minus 46 points. That is a shift on the net approval of 56 points in the wrong direction since February. My goodness gracious, you know I love looking at these swings, looking at how the electorate changes. You rarely, rarely ever see swings like this. We look at a lot of polls. We almost never see drops this big this quickly. Any sense of why?

What issues may be driving it? You know, look, we've been talking about it. You were talking about it last segment with Mr. Matt Egan. It's the economy, stupid. I mean, just take a look here. age 18 to 29 on Trump and the economy. Back in October of 2024, who did those under the age of 30 trust? Harris or Trump?

It was Trump by 10 points, according to the Marquette University Law School, Paul. Look at where his net approval rating is now on the economy. Minus 52 points, very similar to what we saw in the CBS News, Ugov, Paul, in terms of his overall drop in support on the net approval rating. And this minus 52, very, yeah, it's just stunning. It's just stunning. You can pause it right there. Tom, I'm going to come to you first, then I'm coming to you then.

Go ahead, Tom. Why do you think this is happening? Well, Harry pointed it out well. The number one issue in the economy right now, there's actually a couple. And I'm going to leave the iceberg for last. The people are looking for higher paying jobs. They're looking for jobs where they come out of college. And I'm not talking about the kids that studied, you know, European art history and like, gosh, what can I do with that degree?

Those are the kids that are mismatched and never should have been studying those topics. I'm talking about college graduates are saying it's increasingly difficult for me to find a job, even STEM jobs. We see layoffs happening. But the number one thing is affordability. What happened under Biden, and we can talk about it all day long. All the inflation was Biden's fall and inflation is back down. Well, it is down. It's down to 3% versus 2%.

So it's down. But what happened under all that inflation is cost of housing, cost of insurance. at the top two. Car insurance affects the youth 1829 and housing. And they refer to this. Everybody's referring to it properly as affordability for the up and coming generation. So they're like, we supported you in here. Now we're looking for change. And we're looking for, and we need to see change so that we can afford to live and we can launch our lives and careers. And that's what's happening with this group. Now, the Democrat messaging has been hammering through the media That all this is all Trump's fault.

The inflation is Trump's fault. So there's a lot of stick that they're getting on that. But the fact is Trump's policies are going to make things more affordable, but it's not happening as fast of these people that are looking for housing and listening to launch their careers and lives want. And the Dems are pushing it. And the President can say it's a hoax by the Dem. It is a messaging hoax.

But you have to counter it with messaging of your own and definitive things that help bring prices back down. How do you address this? Well, I don't like to disagree with on the first topic, but my kid, when I got out of undergraduate school, my daughter took seven months to find a job, and our son took nine months to find a job. And they both found jobs, and it was a recessionary time in both cases, by making hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of phone calls, hundreds and hundreds of letters out, going on dozens and dozens and dozens of interviews. and the kids today, because I have a fairly large consortiums, got almost 40 companies, and the kids go with one interview, and they don't call back to find out how they did.

So the elitist of that generation, in my opinion, are lazy. I mean, we don't have an affordability problem, in my opinion. All I know is when I bought my first house, and my dad bought his first house, that we couldn't afford it. He went out and worked overtime. He got another job. The kids don't want to have another job. They expect right out of school,

to make all kinds of horatian, crazy money, six-figure money, and they have no experience whatsoever. So the affordability to me is a matter of choice. They're not looking hard enough and not working hard enough to get a job. Now, what do you think when you see a plus-minus 62 points, right, with 18 to 29? And let's just say the president comes up to you and says,

you guys are having dinner. It's just the two of you. And he says, Dan, what do you think we focus on to fix with affordability? What would you say? Well, we sent the wrong message. Okay, I believe that the Democrats, and I don't believe that they do much right, but this particular case, they're doing the messaging better than we are.

And so we have to up our game in messaging. And I don't know who's advising the president on giving this message, but he's got to change, and he's got to change. Full disclosure, I knew the president in another lifetime, and he's not quick on change. He's quicker now than he used to be, and he likes to be right. As we all at this table know, he likes to be right, and he abhors people that tell him he's not right. Okay. So messaging would be one issue. Got it. In regards to the kids, you said your kids, one of them took seven months to get a job. The other one took nine months to get a job, a little bit more persistent. Maybe that's a good message for the younger audience. But some of the folks may say the following. They may say, and Brian, I'm going to come to you with this one and see what you think about this. Last night, the mayor of Miami, who has been Francis Suarez for the last, I don't know, eight, 12 years. I don't know how long he's been there. He's been there for quite some time. And his father was also the previous mayor of Miami for another eight or 12-year ex, Javier, if I'm not mistaken, right?

And he famously tweeted at Elon, how can I help? Elon responds back, okay, let's bring jobs to Miami, you know, Francis A. But last night, the mayor who won last night, beating Emilio Gonzalez, the conservative, was a Democrat named Eileen Higgins, okay? She won last night in Miami, a member of the Democratic Party. She previously served as a member of the Miami-Dade County Commission from 2018 to 2025. Higgins ran in 2025 and defeated a Republican candidate Emilio Gonzalez in a runoff,

making her the first women ever and the first Democrat since 1997 to be elected. We're talking 30 years, right? So you got Miami just from from a conservative mayor to a liberal mayor, first time in 30 years, you got New York, goes from a liberal mayor, Adams, to a democratic socialist mayor, Mamdani.

Two big markets that we're talking about. Brandon, you just turned 30. When you see this happening, you're a guy, you got bachelor's and masters of national security. You went into school the right way, and then shifted, not wanted to go into national security. You wanted to get into business. What do you think is going on here?

You think, is it messaging? Is it actual issues? Is it actual things that's bothering that younger audience that's sitting there wanting to get their life started and saying, hey, man, we got to do something about this? What do you think is going on? Yeah, I have to agree and disagree with you, Dan. So first of all, the job thing, yeah, I agree. You have to viciously attack that issue. You have to, you know, apply like crazy.

You know, I did a lot of crazy things to get here. And, you know, I could tell that story. But when it comes in affordability, like, it's just an objective fact that it's a much different situation than it was when you were, say, my age, you know, because the cost of living, like, like the thing about how much money we added to the economy just in the last five years alone, like we doubled the size of the money supply. So, you know, we always talk about how it took like two years of an average salary to buy an average price house in the 70s today.

It takes like nine years of an average price house. So I know they're like exceptional people are going to make it happen no matter what, but it's like the Pareto principle. 20% people are like above average and 80% people are kind of just average people. And when those people can't get by with like just food, housing, and energy, those basic things, you know, that's when you risk socialism. because, like, I think the, like, the real pillar of a society, like, the foundation of a society is a strong middle class. And if you don't have a strong middle class, then you start to have these, like, socialist tendencies.

So that's why I think we're seeing what we're seeing in New York and Miami. And I don't think Trump is handling it well because he's kind of gaslighting by saying that the issue doesn't exist. Like, it is a fact that it takes more than half of an average salary to pay for, like, the basic essential things to live. And that's not a good situation. When the weather cools down, Golden Nugget Online Casino turns up the heat. This winter, make any moment. and golden and play thousands of games like her new slot Wolf It Up and all the fan-favored huff and puff and puff games. Whether you're curled up on the couch or taking five between

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That's 50 years ago for me. I just turned 80. I'm not using that as an excuse, but the numbers, every generation has a reason why they're not happy where they are economically, going back to 1900. And the fact that Trump is

one year younger than I am, and a lot of the people that advise him are almost his age, it's a different reality. It's like, it's surreal, and he's got his Kushner, who appears to be a very bright guy, but he's a billionaire.

I mean, these guys that are advising him aren't 30 years old, struggling to find jobs. It's a very good point you're making. And Lotnik, too, the commerce. I really like the point that you're making because sometimes, you know, you'll have people around you, around your age. And if you're not paying attention to what is going on with that generation,

you're not in communication with them. Even if he speaks to his son, Barron, he's not the guy to speak to. And by the way, this is why, I believe the Turning Point USA audience is very, very important because they're the ones that are the 18, 19, 20 year olds coming up that are going to school, that are seeing the issues that are about to get married, that are wanting to buy a house, that are wanting to have kids, that are like, listen, I'm feeling it. I think there's a, I think TPUSA could do a great job right now with their audience on running a survey with their audience of the 16 to 29, 18 to 29. asking them questions to get some intel back from that. Do you see what I'm saying? Yeah. Because that's the audience that you need to hear. Right. On what they're going through to be able to figure this part out. And again, this is a big, no matter what anybody says, if Charlie Kirk was here right

now, speaking to his younger audience, what message would he be given to them right now to his turning point USA audience? Adam, where are you at with this? Because you're a Miami guy. You've been here your entire life, minus the one year when you lived in your dream destination, Addison, Texas, with the beaches there. What do you think is going on here? I'm with Dan Pany on this. I think we have to stop focusing on the Oval Office and look in the mirror and fix your life.

Trump's not going to fix your life. Biden wasn't going to fix your life. Obama, the list goes on. You have to fix your life. Everyone's complaining about affordability. Well, you know where it's pretty much affordable outside of every single major city in America. It's called supply and demand.

So yes, if you're going to move to New York City, yes, if you're going to move to Boston, yes, you're going to use the L.A. San Francisco, Miami, number one city in the world at this point, yeah, things are going to be a little bit more expensive because everyone's trying to move there. Nobody trying to move to Bumblef or to Des Moines, Iowa. Everyone wants to move to the best cities in the world. That's like everyone wants to date the hottest chicks. All girls want to date the richest guys. Everyone who lives in the best cities. So Miami, just under Mayor Francis Suarez, just became, in my opinion,

the number one city in America, if not the number one city in the world. You're in America. you're in Miami. L.A. is in decline. San Francisco's in decline. New York's in decline. Miami's on the rise. Dallas is on the rise. Certain southern cities on the rise. Listen, if life is unaffordable and you're young, get a roommate. There's no guarantee that, oh, I'm an American. I get a house. That's BS. So you may not be able to afford a house. Cool. Rent, have a roommate. So the affordability thing, like Tom mentioned, it's the economy, stupid James Carville. It's always the economy.

It's always a pocket issues. Here's what I want you to think about. Here's what I want you to think about. Tom, I'm going to come to you next. So here's first, Rob, if you want to play the clip of Trump reacting to affordability, and I'm going to come back to you, Adam. If you can play this clip, go for it. Affordability is a con job by the Democrats.

They say affordability. I watched the other day where some very low IQ congresswoman talked about affordability, affordability, affordability. She had no idea. Their prices were much higher. The word affordability is a Democrat scam. Okay, so that's the clip that he's talking about. And then he's given, is this a talk yesterday you have, or go ahead?

You know, and I said it the other day, and a lot of people misinterpreted. They say, oh, he doesn't realize prices high. Prices are coming down very substantially. But they have a new word. You know, they always have a hoax. The new word is affordability. So they look at the camera and they say, This election is all about affordability.

Now, they never talk about it. They never talk. Thank you very much. They say, I'm not allowed to run. I don't know what the hell that's all about, but that's okay. He said four more years. You've seen the new hat. We have four more years.

By the way, while he's saying this, gas prices drop to the lowest in December 2025. And the last time they were this low, which is around $3 right now, December 2025, was four years ago when Trump was president in 2020. 21. That's gas prices, right? But what I want you to think about is what he just said right now a minute ago. Dan said affordability could be a messaging issue. And then the other part also Dan said, which is you may need some of the younger audience around you to get a pulse and see what they're going on. What is it right now, national average gas price? 2.94. Rob, can you go a year ago to see what the national average was exactly a year ago

of where was that? But this is what I want you to think. Okay. So give me actual ideas. Because the part about the house, it took three and a half times your salary to buy a house 40, 50 years ago. It takes eight, eight and a half times your salary today to buy a house. That's a real number, okay? So people are... Say those numbers again? Okay, took around three and a half times your salary to buy house 50-ish years ago. Okay.

So you're making 20 grand a year. You could buy a house for $70,000. That's three and a half times. Today it's taking seven and a half to eight and a half times salary. You're making $70,000 dollars here? Do the math, you know, $450, whatever you want to put there, right? $560. So those are real numbers.

Car prices in America. Sky high. You know, first time, $50,000 the average car price, right? But then the income is not going up at the same levels. Right. What do you do? Trump asks you just purely cameras off. You're just talking, what do you think we can actually do?

Not messaging. What do you think we can actually do to address a few things? So as far as individual economy or the affordability? I want to find a way to make things a little bit more affordable for 18 to 20, nine-year-olds. Give me specific feedback. What do you say? Listen, since COVID, the game has changed permanently with AI technology. We're not playing by grandpa's old rules. I say this all the time. The days of I get a job, I go to college, get a job, get out of the workforce, work for the same company for 40 years,

get my gold watch, retire, live on the system. I live till 65 and retire. That is so out the window. It's an outdated, antiquated approach. People are living longer. Affordability is an issue, but affordability has been an issue when the dot-com bust. Affordability was an issue right after I graduated college, 2008. That's not what I'm asking you. No, don't give the greatest hits. What I'm asking you is, if you don't have it, I'm going to go to town. I'm telling you right now.

Give me the ideas. The ideas is you have to change your own system. No, that's not what I want to hear. That's not, none. That's not what I want to hear. But that's the problem. That's not what I want to hear. We still think they're going to buy a house and rent a park.

You're not. I'm not asking you that. I understand what you're saying. Everybody in this room is self-sufficient. everybody, this is not this room that we're talking about. Everybody in this room gets up, pays their bills, takes care to their family, takes care of all the stuff that they need to do.

We find ways to improve ourselves. This is not this. You just saw a plus minus of 62 points. Tom, he asks you, you can be an analytical thinker. What one, two, three steps do you give to do things with this? I'll give you three steps.

First, I'll give you the one simple stat. The day, from the day he was inaugurated, Biden, 2021, January of 21, to the day Trump was inaugurated, January of 25. The rents in Miami went up 38% in those four years. And that is from numbers from the Miami-Dade Commission. So this is self-reported by a Democrat group who probably is rounding it down a little bit. I saw numbers that said it was really closer to 60% in with young professionals that were making 75% to $80,000 a year, professional job coming to Miami, looking for a place to rent, not a white

picket fence, not to do all that. So in other words, we have incredible cost, and they have insurance. That's real. So don't use the word affordable, just say, how do we bring down insurance costs and find affordable housing for people that want to make Miami great a financial analyst and wants to earn $80,000 to move down here, Pat? Here's what we need. We need very active engagement to reduce the red tape and regulation on builders. And we need the city to open up. There is city land that is sitting in previous industrial areas that is still owned by the city that was long-term leases and stuff.

They need to release some of that land. So we saw in Dallas how they built a central town Frisco. a lot of apartments and a lot of nice areas for people who are going to work there. We saw central town downtown Dallas. We saw the central town in Addison. Remember those, Pat? These were planned areas for someone like you, you know, making $75, $80,000 a year, getting the start and living in good, safe, affordable housing. And yes, it is going to be more expensive then.

So I think number one, my number one point, Pat, is the city has to take an active engagement with the entrepreneurs that are building affordable housing, number one, and number two, the state insurance commissioner, and that needs to get their act together because the regulations, restrictions you put on insurance companies causes too many to leave, and then there's not enough insurance, and the price goes up to people. So I need the state on insurance.

I need the city on building permits, and I need them to start talking about that so that people can hear, oh, someone's out there. And by the way, if there's more units out there, then the relative rents are going to come down thanks to supply. That's what I would be pushing on if I was mayor, because those stats are real. So what don't we think about this? Okay. When, Dan, when we are in our, and Brandon, you could go to this one, but I'll come to you first.

So let's think about our top expenses when you're 25 years old to 30 years old. It's going to be rent or car. payment, right? Would you put anything above that? It's probably going to be right now. Are you married? You're not married yet. 25. What you see? Not married. Housing, transportation and then food and whatever. Okay. So let's in that order. Would you say in that order, housing? Correct. Housing is number one, 33% of your overall budget.

Yeah. Okay. So address each. Address each. So if you got housing, how do we address it? Build the car, how do you address it? So Tom just said housing incentivized, which we've talked about, builders to build smaller homes. Because we're no longer building starter homes, two-bedroom, three bedroom. You've talked about this many, many times. It's now we're building four bedroom homes. We've seen the charts how to decline from 45% to now 10, 15% of homes we're building are two, three bedroom homes, right? It's all four bedroom because for many different reasons, right? Yeah. But think what do we do with housing? What do we do with car and then what do we do with food? Housing is a three to five year, what he suggested, and I agree with them, it's three to five years.

You've got to change the zoning. Did that happen? I mean, the councils, et cetera, have to vote on it. The people have to land bank. The builders are going to have to go out and get land and do the planning and get all that approved. That's three to five years. Fast permitting? Yes, exactly. Before you put one shovel in the dirt.

We need a problem to be solved yesterday, not three to five years. How do you do that, though, Dan? That's not easy to do. No, no. But the guy that won in New York City... Mamdani. Exactly. He pretends like his system or the socialistic system

can do that, but it can. It's just slow, if not slower. You know, every time you see when the economy is bad for the younger audience, you know the memberships and communism goes up. Membership for communism and socialism goes up. You'll always see it. You're like, okay, it kind of goes like, you remember after the Great Depression? You should see the memberships into the Communist Party after the Great Depression. During the Great Depression.

It was skyrocketing because the messaging was what? The rich people are getting richer, the poor getting poor. if you vote communism the government's going to take care you and they're going to give this and that's kind of like the younger kids that just came out of college that have been brainwashed for four years by economists and professors who are on the liberal side and or part of pro-union they're like yeah yeah the rich people are the reason why you're poor and the reason why you don't have a job i hate rich people you know movies like joker comes out where the joker kills the rich guy in the movie and you know these are the bad people and then you see

luci man gioni boom let me go take out this insurance guy because of what they're doing and then some temperature all of a sudden elevates, right? The one thing that I like, are you following this tiny car thing closely? Are you following that closely time on what's going on with the tiny car? Can you pull up the tiny car Trump idea? So here's a couple challenges that we have. If you just go back and type in tiny car and go to news, go to Tiny Car, Trump, Tiny Car News. Pick one of them of what they're doing.

Trump's Tiny Car Dream. Okay, next one, if you don't mind going, Rob. The third one says Trump's Tiny Car Dream has problems. Okay, so what are the problems? You see that Japanese kai cars that he's talking about? If you pull that up, what do they look like, yeah. Forget about what they look like. Honestly, when you're younger, you don't really care about what they look like.

You're trying to find a thing that you can afford, right? Like even what you want and what you can afford are two different things. Look what happened with car regulation in America, okay? During the 70s, gas prices 3x in a decade during the 70s. Gas went from 30 cents to a dollar in a decade. Who gets elected next? Reagan. Reagan comes out with something called the cafe.

Rob, can you type in Reagan Cafe Cars, okay? The regulation, which stands for corporate average fuel economy under Reagan, that he came out with this, you know, issues on how to address this. So then there was a couple different things that we looked at during that time. This led to through 2008, 2011, 2012, they came out with new emission standards that the bigger the car was, the easier it was for your car to get approved on the emission standards that we had. So think about this, Adam. I don't know if you have this chart or not Rob. If you don't have it, I'll send it to you.

Here, check this out. Just show this year. And let me send you Trump's tweet on tiny cars. This is so interesting for all of us to be looking at. I think this is at least something that they're doing. Let me know when you got it. All the three ones. One of them is his tweet and then it's the pictures of the emission standard cars

and how ridiculous it is what we've done to the market with cars. We have incentivized companies to build bigger cars. He wants to introduce an 11-foot car. Now, the 11-foot car, a small sedan right now is 12.5 to 13-and-a-half feet. Okay? then you have trucks that go from 13 and a half to 16 and a half feet and then you have the SUVs that go 18 and a half and you have the bigger trucks that can go all the way up to 22 feet a truck can go all the way up to 22 feet and they do this because car companies like Ford are sitting there saying hey man this is allowing us to build bigger cars bigger cars allow us to go with lower standard emissions that we have in place and we're making a shit ton of money and you know what we're

are right now. Seventy-five percent of registrations of cars today, Dan, are either SUVs or trucks. Seventy-five percent of cars being registered in 2024 are SUVs or trucks. Guess was making all the money? The auto-manic, they're like, hell, yeah, let's keep doing this, right? Now watch this. That one right there, Rob, if you can make that one bigger. So check this out. 2025, go back to that one, right? 20-25 standard on the vehicle footprint. The bigger the car, you see the footprint up top and a miles per gallon. The bigger, the smaller the car, the more miles per gallon it needs to have. But the bigger the car, the less mile per gallon needs to have that it gets approved.

So they're sitting there saying, you know, here's what we're going to be doing. You know, Ford's going to say, guys, keep doing this because we're selling cars and car prices are going to $50,000. We're making a ton of money selling these trucks. And then Trump comes out with the saying, I have just approved tiny cars to be built in America manufacturers, have long wanted to do this, just like they are successfully built in other countries. They can be propelled by gasoline, electric or hybrid. These cars of the very near future are an expensive, safe, fuel efficient, and quite simply amazing, start building them now.

Thank you to DOJ, ta-da-da-da-da-da. Okay. This was inspired by a car called the Tapolino, the Fiat Tapolino. I don't know if you've seen the Fiat Tapolino, which it's the name of the car. It is eight and a half feet, and it gives you. fastest it goes is 28 miles an hour and it's 50 miles range is what it has

but it's cheap okay and so then the argument on why these things they're not fans of the other argument on the regulation is America has the widest lanes because we had so many accidents that was taking place because in Europe cars go like this because their lanes are very tight

if you notice the roads in Europe you go to Italy the other day I'm in Italy driving a car I got stuck I was late 45 minutes do you remember this time I was like 45 minutes These guys are waiting for me. I'm like, I don't know how to get out of this. I'm literally in a car. We're just driving.

We didn't do anything crazy. And they're like, this is the dumbest thing to do in Italy when you run escalates. And we're in a road. I'm like, Vinny, how do I get out of this? Vinny has to get out of the car and come back, do this. We're doing all the old school Middle Eastern style. By the way, there was no edge to the pavement. Zero.

It wasn't. But that's why they build cars like this. In America, they build wider lanes. Fewer accidents. They saw the range of doing that. So to me, this could be amazing. your opportunity for some automakers to come out and say, I'm going to build the tiny cars. I'm going to build a starter cars.

Maybe we go back to a $10,000 car, $15,000 car new, $5,000 car use some of these cars looking like this, by the way, Rob, if you want to make it bigger. I don't know. I think it has to be something to do with homes where they live, rent and house, something to do with cars, and I'm glad he's going there, but there needs to be actual solutions of what to do. What do you say about this, Brandon? Yeah, the common theme in all of them is regulation.

because I didn't know about the EPA thing right there. That's interesting because, you know, with homes, it's like zoning laws. They say add an extra 20, 30% of the price of a house. And then with that, that's obviously jacking up the price of it. So, like, the solution to it is to, like, make it more feasible to build more of it. Make it, like, create circumstances which it's profitable for the producers to build more of it. And then the price will come down.

But, like, they've put policies in place that make it more expensive to build things. Like, there's no reason that, like, lumber and steel and, like, electronics, all the inputs of cars and houses cost more than they ever did before. Like, that's a policy-driven outcome. So, like, if we get the policies to make those things cheaper, then they could build more of them, then it'll be okay. I'm going to come to you with this one, Dan, because a part of these new emission standards that Biden was pitching,

that by 27, 2035, they want to get to certain levels, and they want to lower gas-powered cars, and I want to increase, you know, hybrid, you know, driven cars. and that model is kind of these regulations are preventing people from building cheaper cars because the regulation is tighter, and some of it has to do with climate change, and I know how you feel about climate change. What do you say about this? Let me just go back a second.

So far, none of you have talked about the higher death rate in these cars, and there was a study in the UK four or five years ago that you had a less than 50% chance of surviving ahead on an accident in these little things. And so a lot of the countries, especially Germany, who used to build tanks, you know, backed off it. And so environmentally, the gig is that right now, the American Petroleum Institute says we have, let's say, 15 trillion barrels of reserves around the world, okay? And that's probably off by a factor of leave three to five, because, There's countries like Saudi Arabia, countries like Kuwait,

because I had a 10-year relationship with, Venezuela, all don't cheat the numbers, but they downplay the numbers. Okay. The Ramco, which is Saudi Arabia, basically, tried to go public for 25 years and couldn't go public. They went to NASDAQ, New York Stock Exchange, Hong Kong, Beijing, et cetera. Nobody would take them public because to go public,

they had to have a reserve report, meaning they have to have, by Ryder Scott, or one of the big engineering companies, to say how much oil you really have, how much is proved producing oil. No, but they wouldn't produce those numbers. So finally, Saudi, the kingdom, decided, well, we'll go public in Saudi. So we'll take it ourselves.

Nobody participated. So they made all government employees mandatory that they had to buy 50 shares or 350 shares out of their own paychecks to get it away. And so they only sold or took 2 or 3% of a Ramco public and they had more than a trillion dollar valuation. If you knew, this audience knew, how many barrels of oil reserves were really in the world, in my estimation, oil would be five cents a barrel. That's a great point. Because there's 10, 20, 30 times more oil reserves, and they keep coming up with secondary and tertiary methodologies to extract the oil. For example, the North Sea, Bob Dyke, who was my partner when I went public many years ago,

he founded the North Sea in Argyll and 79. And he said this is going to, at that time, it was only supposed to last 20 years. So by the year from 79 to 2000, North Sea should be done. Well, the North Sea, still got 50, 60, 70 years left because of all the oil reserves that are still there. Great point. Okay. And so, but those cars, you wouldn't want, I normally say you wouldn't want your wife driving that car. Maybe you would, but maybe.

So listen, my wife and I are having prompts. Buy her a Topolino car. It'll be fixed within six months. That's right. You have an SUV. She has a little car. You know, my God, I don't want to see those accidents. I do not want to see an SUV.

But this is hard for me to relate to. I've been driving Rolls in since 71 when I was a senior and college. And I've got... You drove a Rolls and Senior in College? Yeah, yeah, yeah. How did you drive a Rolls in Senior College? Silver Cloud was 35 grand at the time. I scraped their three grand because I was in sales.

The other guys were driving town cars. El Dorado Cadillacs, and my sales manager, who was a biased, racist guy, a lawyer from Mississippi said, Pina, you know a young boy like, you ought to be able to sell everybody that walks through the door, but you've got to differentiate yourself from the other salesman. The other salesmen were driving Cadillacs and Continentals, so I went and got to rolls, $35,700, and I've been driving roses ever since. Since 1971.

What do you love about roses? There not many people have them. Just that. Yeah, I'm a three-wolds family now, and I haven't been for a long, long time. I could have flown up, the airport, the first thing I thought, why did I land here? Why do we have to drive an hour? But anyway. Yeah, most people fly and land here, John Morgan, from Morgan to Morgan, was here a few days ago.

He lands on the airport, and then he asks his driver. So, driver, how long do we have left do we get to the office? He says, three minutes, sir. How do hell is that possible? Well, it's on the airport. Brandon, what do you say about this? That's a fantastic point you bring up. about the oil. And I've been meaning to show these two charts on the podcast for a while.

So look at this. These are the biggest oil reserves in the world. That one's production. So doesn't show that one second. So biggest oil reserves in the world, you know, the U.S. is way down at the bottom there. But then if you go to production, U.S. is producing the most. So imagine if we got the full potential of oil production out of those largest reserves in the world. Yeah, there's an abundance of oil that we're not using. You've got to be kidding. So go back. So look at this, Venezuela's number one. In the amount it's sitting gone. Yeah.

But production, you don't see it in the top tank. Go to the next one, Rob. Look in production. They're nowhere in the top eight. So what does that mean, though? What does that mean? They're holding back. You need a working power plant to run a refinery.

But then, is it holding back or is it because the president's, the U.S. has put sanctions on Venezuela. Both. Which one's a bigger pressure point? Well, the sanctions just started. So Venezuela's been doing this for 30 years. So the sanctions just started. Why would they hold on to it, though? Why do they hold them back?

Because they know that someday, irrespective what Elon the must says, someday that, you know, that oil is going to be worth its weight in gold, pun intended. But the real, the big money, the guys like you, they're investing in water. That much water will cost more than a barrel of oil 15, 20 years from now. The big money, this is what they're investing in. I know not what this podcast is about. But, I mean, so. and it's proved producing reserves

are the ones that they normally use but in Saudi Arabia it costs about a dollar 40 to get a barrel of oil from under the ground to the surface buck 40 a buck 40 call it two bucks call it two bucks and east Texas it costs about 50 bucks and the Gulf of America formerly the Gulf of Mexico it costs about

120 bucks in the North Sea it costs about 200 bucks and it's a buck 40 How is that possible? Because you can pick up the oil with your hand. When Jay Paul Gettian found it all in Saudi Arabia back in the late 20s, early 30s, he was looking for water. And there's this ugly black shit that kept coming out, the better ones out there.

What is this stuff? And then he, of course, then he got rich, and then he wouldn't pay ransom for his kid or grandson. Nothing. He wouldn't pay. He didn't pay a million bucks each. They sent him back with one ear eventually. And then he told him, I got 11 more grandkids, so you got a lot of people to cut their ears off of with his comment. Savage. Yeah. He had a pay phone in his house.

And quick thing on that, too, and tell me if you would agree with this. I think the scariest thing in the world for oil companies is oil going below 60 bucks a barrel. So I think that the – 65 is where they make money in the U.S. Yeah, 65 to 80 is their comfort zone. So I think they have a vested interest, too, and withholding that oil and not opening up Venezuela's oil. I got something back. Go ahead. you compare

United States to Saudi it's not even close in terms of production Texas actually is a bigger economy produces more oil than Saudi and Saudi is known Saudi Aramco what $2 trillion market cap Texas is bigger than Saudi

so people oh Saudi all these countries that are producing oil America is the biggest top G on the block regarding tiny cars my opinion is the average American dude does not want a tiny car The average American person should not get a 50-year mortgage. Just because Trump throws things out there, it's bombastic.

The big, beautiful bill, there's going to be recalibration. There's going to be negotiation. Listen, if you're Jean-Claude in Paris, go get yourself a tiny car. If you're Giuseppe in Italy, go get yourself a tiny car. If you're in America, your name's Rick, you want a Ford F-150. You're not driving these tiny cars. I used to drive these little tiny cars around Miami. Before Uber hit Miami in 2012, 2012,

13, right around that time, 2014, Miami dropped off, I think, a thousand of these cars all over the city. And you would tap it when you would go in and you'd use it for five minutes at a time. You do not want to drive these cars on the highway. Talk about accidents. You drive it to Miami to Lincoln Road, whatever. You leave it on the side of the road. It's kind of like just renting a bike, but it's a little tiny car.

Do not get a car like this if you actually want to get late. Now, I had a girl at the time, so it wasn't a big deal. So you're saying there's no room to jump into the non-existent backseat. There's no backseat, don't know. Exactly. But don't guys still get cars as chick magnets. What's that? What's that? Don't you still want a car as a chick magnet?

Yeah, some guys do. Even the new generation? Yeah, of course. Okay. I didn't even think about the backseat angle, but. You always think about the backseat, okay, Dan? There's plenty of room in the rolls. You're not going to have a hard time with that.

Gentlemen, go get yourself of rolls. Follow, Dan Panis. By the way, this transitions into, you know, the next story I'm going to get into, which is the president talking about immigration in his speech. And he asks a question. He says, why are we getting so many immigrants? Rob, you know which clip I'm talking about? The one where he says, let's get some immigrants coming here from Sweden.

Okay? Let's get some immigrants coming from Eastern Europe. I agree. Why are we getting some, you know, folks that are coming here from? I'll just let him tell you for you. Here's the president. Go for it. I've also announced a permanent pause on third world migration, including from hellholes

like Afghanistan, Haiti, Somalia, and many other countries. I didn't say shit, all you did. Remember I said that to the Senate as they came in? The Democrats. They wanted to be bipartisan. So they came in and they said, this is totally off the record. Nothing mentioned here. We want to be honest because our country was going to hell. And we had a meeting. And I say, why is it we only take people from shithole countries, right? Why can't we have some people from Norway, Sweden, just a few. Let us have a few. from, from Denmark, do you mind sending us for you people?

Send us some nice people, do you mind? But we always take people from Somalia, places that are a disaster, right? Filthy, dirty, disgusting, ridden with crime. The only thing they're good at is going after ships. But they don't go after our ships. You know why? Because that same missile that knocks their crap out of them, that with a drug deal is from Venezuela and others.

I like the guy in the back. Persians for Trump. Got to love it. So what do you think about what he's saying here? Why are we getting folks from Somalia, Afghanistan, or what we're not getting from Norway? Sweden in those countries, it's from the womb to the tomb. They take care of you.

I mean, they don't have a lot of the problems that the people that are from Memphis, Tennessee, or Chicago, Illinois, because, from the time you're born, you're part of the system, and you stay the part of the system until they bury you. And nobody's starving to death. So why would they leave? Why would they come here? They don't want to come here. They like their homeland.

Exactly. And by the way, I think that's what the lady screamed in the background, right? Because she said, it's because they love where they're at. I think that's what she said in the background. Tom, what do you think about the speech on what he's saying about shutting down from certain countries and then the comments about why we're not getting people from certain countries. Well, if you like your homeland, you can keep your homeland.

I'm going to make sure of it. You know, it's sort of things that we saw in Southern California where we saw Mexican people who had emigrated legally that were in some of those northern states where the cartels were such a horrible influence. And so they literally want to leave a country that is horrible. And they come and they would come the United States legally. And we used to see in Southern California those people saying, I came here for opportunity, I came here legally. And every time I turn around, people think I'm here illegally. And, you know, but they wanted to come here. The guy yesterday, the Vietnamese guy that was in the car,

demonstrating that not only did he learn to speak in English, boy, he learned how to swear really well in English, is he was pointing out that he came here from Vietnam. And he learned the language, and they built a business. And sure, he lived in a neighborhood with other people from Vietnam, but he came here to be in American, to live in America, because what he was leaving is a country, that had a lot of problems.

And this is the statement that is on the bottom of the Statue of Liberty, right on it. Give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse from your teeming shores. I memorized that when I was in school because the message was, hey, we've got something better for you if you want to come here legally. But when the Democrats turn us into refuse. central, that's where all of America draws alliances. Wait a minute.

These aren't families and good people wanting to come for opportunity. You're just opening up the doors and we are going to become the city dump for all the people that are coming over here. And there are bad apples in that lot. And that's where it begins and ends for me. And I'll defend those Mexican people in L.A. who would have people say things to them and I'd say, hey, dude, that family came here legally. Do you know their story? Get off their back.

you know, you're perceiving, are you Mexicana? When did you walk across? No, no, no. There are good people that came. There was also a lot of bad people that just came across when the Dems open the doors to refugee status. And it's the refugees we don't want. It's the honest people that want to come here for opportunity that we welcome. Adam. Well, to me, it's a culture issue. So not all immigrants are exactly the same. Listen, we're all children of immigrants. We're all moved here from somewhere. your family is came from Iran I know you live in Scotland now right but my family's from Mexico

your family's Mexican Brandon you're Italian of some capacity Tom is Canadian European my family's Russian Ashkenazi Jewish but not all agreements are the same the biggest issue is not so much

he named a couple countries for instance he said Afghanistan there's a culture issue between Afghanistan and the United States I'm sorry major culture issue in Somalia differences you have Cuba you have Haiti I grew up in Miami half my friends are Cuban Haitian Jamaican Venezuelan there isn't a massive cultural difference there's still the same framework of religion culture family society values not that people from that side of the world

the Middle East don't have the same culture but let's be real here if your country runs on Sharia law it's not going to work in America if you're in Cuban the biggest issue I have with my Cuban friends in Miami. I've said this before. There are people who've been here 10, 20, 30, 40 years. Abla no English. You're telling me you've been here 30 years. You speak zero English. Pedro, you need to learn English. But if you just want to be broke and Cuban or Asian and never learn English in Miami, you can do that. But we don't worry about these people. They're working, they're doing whatever. They're not trying to dismantle America like a lot of the Islamist culture that comes into America. You speak English. How often do you go to UK?

How familiar with what's going on in Ukraine? Well, I live there. Scotland, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So you're there, is it like nine months out of the year, 10 months? I travel three and a half months, and I'm there the rest of the time. Okay. So what have you noticed happened there with specifically, because I just saw something that said,

you've lived in Scotland since 84, right? Or 84 when you watch your, I think the castle that you have in Scotland. Okay. Yes. What have you noticed happened to UK, London, from 84 till today? Well, let's go back to the 70s, and first, the Russian money, 70s and 80s, the Russian money propped up property prices, triple, quadruple, Mayfair. What most people don't know is property prices and Mayfair have gone down 21 of the last 25 quarters. Nobody puts it in the newspaper because it'll be a self-affirming prophecy.

After the Russians, then came to Saudis. the Saudis, they would buy a Mercedes and if it ran out of gas, they left it on the road, they go buy another Mercedes. And so they propped up prices. The same in Beverly Hills, California, as is my estates,

the guys that are around me that have been there 7, 900 years, their properties, some of them cashed out and retired, even though the property's been in their family 500 years, when a Russian or an oligarch comes in

offers you 10, 20, 40 times what it's worth. Fine, you want the furniture, the napkins, the pictures. Thank you. I'll leave my wife here if you want. Exactly, exactly. So I've seen that. She's in the small car. I've seen that. And I've also seen that the liberalization, now we have about

two-thirds of the police that we used to have, we have now. Two-thirds of the police used to have. We used to have. We used to have. We used to have. we used to have a less police you mean a third less a third less yeah a third less and the the cops there if you watch they make fun of them sometimes they go viral you know four or five cops trying to arrest two immigrants okay and you can't hit them you can't do this you can't do that you go to germany you go to france boom boom boom you know it's it's not in the UK no not in the UK you have to really do something awful and the and the and in Parliament

which is archaic. I'm a UK citizen and a U.S. citizen. Parliament probably should have been done away with two, three hundred years ago. It's an old system, but they like the pomp and circumstance. But that's a reason for 30% of the people that visit the UK is for that pomp and circumstance. The changing of the guards, you know, under the old queen and now the current king, but it's deteriorated. Before the 50 to 75 million pounds a year that it used to cost the support, the world family, wasn't even thought about. Now, the budget is down to around 20 million pounds, which is still a lot of money.

But you go to the Buckingham Palace, the last time Sally and I were there, not being braggadocious, it looks worn out. I mean, it's like, you know, when you see a carpet that's been walked down 40 million times, that's what it looks like, okay? Buckingham Palace. Buckingham Palace, correct.

And the king doesn't want to live there. He lives in another house down the street, which we would consider a palace, but it's not a palace to them. the only thing that they keep new are cars because Rose gives them the cars they're not buying those cars okay and so I've seen a deterioration

but our daughter was born there our two sons started their education there and when I went there in 81 and I bought in 84 for somebody that was for me it was like Pandora's Box a young aggressive guy I mean I just made hay while the sun shined

And now it's less that way, but it's still, it's a foothold for Europe. And when I first went there, the wall had already come down. But remembering back, when I was the Army officer, they had an iron curtain, okay? And the East Germany who got liberated supposedly in West Germany merged with them. But Europe's a different place. But there's two different lifestyles. If you're in Spain, Portugal, Italy, as opposed to the countries that we talked about that they take care of you from the wound to the tomb, it's like Mars and Venus, okay, and the U.K. is kind of in the middle. But it's a great place to visit. I'm there. It's the only house I have anymore. Not exactly the house, but it's the only place that we have anymore, and it's absolutely terrific.

But the business opportunities today, vis-a-vis Trump. And one of the reasons I'm still working, I extended, came out of retirement, is Trump is good for my business. Trump is good for a business. Period. They sneeze in New York, and they catch a cold in England three years later, okay? And so he's good for the economy. We all know that everything he does, he has a propensity, like I do, of having his hummingbird alligator mouth overloading his hummingbird ass.

What does that mean exactly? Pardon? Alligator mouth. Alligator mouth overloads his hummingbird ass. What does that mean? That means he sticks his foot in his mouth. Oh, okay. Yeah.

We all do it from time to time. Well, I know. He does it at a hold of it from a level. Can I, great point. Can I just say one thing back to this in a story? By the way, it comes down to leadership. Trump's saying things that are shocking, inappropriate, offensive.

But are they wrong? I would argue that he's saying exactly what needs to be said. If leaders in Europe started speaking like this five, 10, 15 years ago, would Europe have this problem? I think not. The biggest problem with Europe, all their leaders are weak, feminine men. The leader with the biggest, toughest, strongest balls in Europe is a woman named Georgia Maloney. You know, digest that for a second.

They rather be like than effective. Exactly. Trump is saying the quiet part out loud that everybody's thinking, hey, do we really want these Somalians here? Do we really want this gaze for God's approach at here? Do you still go to dinner in London? Do you still go to restaurants in London? Yeah.

You do? Do you feel safe like you did 40 years ago? Well, 40 years ago, the IRA were blown the restaurants up. They used to have sandbags. If you were a new customer, they put you in the front door where the bombs went off. If you were an old customer, they put you in the back of the restaurant. So I've seen that transition. But for the most part, yeah, I still feel safe.

Sally and I were in Dublin not too long ago and we were in Northern Ireland not too long ago and you know they attacked the bus still you know I was on a tour

giving speeches and you know people and these little old people from Iowa sitting there and I felt sorry for them you know my age but I mean they were peeing their pants because these people were rushing the buses and throwing themselves in front of the buses and I kept yelling run them over run them over

So I'll tell you whose fault this is exactly. It's LBJ's fault. So nobody talks about this, but the civil rights bill, like there's all these little time bombs that are hidden throughout like bills and policies in the U.S. history. So they changed the quotas for immigrants that the U.S. would take in the civil rights bill. Before 65, it was 85% people from Europe. After that, they flipped it and it was 85% of people outside of Europe that were allowed to immigrate the United States. So that drastically shifted the types of immigrants we got. And that's where it all changed.

That's why it's different. Same thing happened in Europe. And he sold it to the Americans as the Great Society. And it actually changed before that. After the Civil War, who was against having the slaves freed, the Democrats? You know, 82 Republican senators or whatever, three of which were black. And so whenever I see, and I lived in the South for a while, And the, whenever you hear the, back when they had black and white bathrooms, you hear them screaming about civil rights, but they were no friend of civil rights from the very beginning, and it was the Republicans, but now they flipped that. They flipped that somehow. And as they flipped a lot of things. But, you know, unfortunately, I mean, you know, there are places in the Democrats, they get, when we were, they were talking about gerrymandering, switching the, what do you call it, it's around.

they did it under Lyndon Johnson and they've been doing it ever since the fact that we, I say we, the Republicans because I'm a registered Republican but there's parts of the South you don't tell people you're a registered Republican you just don't when I keep thinking of my next-door neighbor

in Rolling Hills and Pallas Verdes she was the daughter of the doc, Shah's doctor Shah, okay, and you know what Sean I'm talking about okay? Of course. And they always They came with a t-shirt on their back and, you know, and to live up there, you had to have a lot more than a t-shirt on the back. And then her brother came to visit one day and how they were talking about the people that trained cars

full of money and gold and antiques. And, of course, the Shah's doctor left a year before the shit hit the fan. Wow, 77. Yeah, yeah. And so she, now, now she must be 75 now because the shot would be, what, 100 and something. Yeah, he would be in his, yeah, he would be in his late 90s or early hundreds, something like that. Yeah, very, very interesting when you're going through this to see what's taking place. Let me get to the next door here.

Next door I want to go to is with what's going on with Time Warner. Who's going to buy these guys, right? Netflix offers 72. Then you get, by the way, that's a beautiful castle. Whose house is that, Rob? Did you just buy, or is that Dan Pena's castle? That is, sir, Dan Pena. Yeah, to be correct.

What can you tell us about this cancel? You've been there since 84? Correct. How many bedrooms? How many square feet? How safe do you feel there? 55,000 square feet. 55,000 square feet.

And right now it's just you and your wife live in there. Four dogs and some staff. But it was given by James, the fifth of Scotland, to Sir John Guthrie in 1468, the land. They got two million acres. land along with that when i bought it it only had 156 acres left uh and so uh were you in the market for a castle no i was in the market i wanted to be near the home of golf and that's very near st andrew scotland yeah and so and i thought i was retiring in uh 84 um but the guy that i left to be CEO at 40 had a heart attack and dropped dead and so the shareholders the shareholders the shareholders brought me

back this time, but nine years later, the shares holders threw me out. So I've been full circle. Dan, I don't see any cars, no Rolls Royces. Maybe there's a tiny car park somewhere, I don't know. The car park is to the right over the trees. It's a big... So if it's 55,000 square feet, it's just

you and your wife. What room haven't you been to for years? The game room. You haven't been to it? Which is up in the tower, which has got, you know, modern games that the kids play, a snooker table and stuff like that. Got it.

There you go. Twist my arm, Dan. I'll move into the camera. It's fine. Okay. So we got Netflix that tries to buy Time Warner for 72. Then he got Ellison comes out with Hustle takeover $180 billion offer. David Ellison yesterday says, do you have that clip that he says?

He promised White House sweeping changes at CNN. I don't know if you have that clip or not. But here he is talking about his conversation with the president about the murder. Got it. So watch this here, folks. This is David Ellison trying to buy Time Warner. Go for it. A couple of real quick things before we wrap up.

I mean, CNN. I assume you would combine the news gathering operation with CBS's if, in fact, you did own that asset? Yeah, so look, we've been really clear since by the last time we're here what we want to do with news, which is we want to build a scaled news service that is basically fundamentally in the trust business, that is in the truth business, and that speaks to the 70% of Americans that are in the middle. And we believe that by doing so, that is for us kind of doing well while doing good, and we believe in that business model, and we believe it's essential. Do you think the president embraces the idea of you being the owner of CNN, given his criticism, obviously, for that network in the past?

By the way, we've had great conversations with the president about this, but I think what, but I don't want to speak for him in any way, shape, or form. Got it. So, Tom, what do you know about what's going on? Because he just showed me something right before we went live. What's going on here with this deal? Well, right now, this is like an auction going back and forth. But unlike an auction where we all sit around a table and we all have a number that we hold up. Maybe we bid for a baseball card or a rare car or a piece of artwork at an auction.

Right now, it plays out in the media, and you have two bidders that are now in an auction for, you know, Warner Brothers Discovery. On one hand, you got Paramount, which, of course, is Skydance and the Ellison's. We just heard from David Ellison. And the other side, you have Netflix. And right now, Netflix, put a bid up, and the good folks, Warner Bros. Discovery, so we like that bid. We're going to take it. We're going to work with you exclusively, and Paramount said, wait a minute, we don't think that this was a fair process, and we're not going to sue you, but we're going to say this. Attention shareholders.

We're offering you $30 a share, and that's called a hostel. And then people respond to it, such as this guy, Mario Gabelli, who runs Gabelli asset management, $31 billion under management. This guy's a player. He's worth $2 billion, well known. He's like 82 years old. But $31 billion under management, he came out. and he said, hey, I have bought a good amount of Warner Brothers Discovery that's owned by many of the people that I'm managing their money. And I have to tell you, we like the $30 a share

offer, and I'm inclined to take that. And this is exactly, and then they find out, okay, how much does he own? Three and a half percent. Okay, well, we got three and a half percent now voting for it. So now this is going to play out, and this is what the hostel does. Now you've got people saying, I'm behind the Paramount hostile offer. I want $30 a share, not the $27 a share. And now the question is, is Netflix going to get behind it? Then people said, here's story number two, Pat, where are you going to get all this debt? And all of a sudden some names popped up. Here we go. Jared Kushner said, I've got plenty of friends and we've got money from Saudi funds. He didn't say PIF, but people assume it was, the Saudi PIF fund. And he

spoke up. Then a consortium of large institutional investors from, tell me we've heard this word, Qatar and Saudi, and Abu Dhabi. Abu Dhabi came up

and said, well, we've got plenty of money and we could put it behind. So all a sudden, it's like you're at a gang fight and five guys with a lot of money stand up behind Ellison and Skydance and says, we're backing him up. You know, two guys are going to fight in the

street pat, hey man, I'll kick your butt. Who's backing you up? And all of a sudden these guys stand up, we're backing him up. And that's kind of what you have here. Now, you've got him, people saying, do you have the ability to do this at 31 share? That and more. So that's where we are right now. But it's very interesting.

This is how the hostel takeovers work. And you got guys like Mario Gabelli going to the microphone and saying, I'll take the hostel offer. It's better for my shareholders. Yeah, so Saudi, Qatar, and Abu Dhabi are going to put up $24 billion, which is 2x what Ellison's are putting up 11.8 billion for the takeover and having Kushner involved.

This is, Tom, this is almost making it. So then here's the question. You're in the Netflix boardroom. Netflix just a week ago, not even a week ago, four days ago, three days ago, they're like, this is over. We're picking it up. They came out of nowhere. We're going to go with it. They're celebrating.

Yes, we're going to get all this new stuff on Netflix now from Time Warner. It's going to be a great catalog. What do you do now for your Netflix? who you call it? What influence do you have? Who's on your side? Who are you going to call that doesn't like those Abu Dhabi, Saudi, Kushner? Who you call on if you're Netflix? Or are you just saying, guys, it's over? You got to ask yourself if you're Netflix. How bad do we really want this asset at this point? How, I mean, we want it bad, but are we willing to pay this much to get it? And what was the price really going to be to us in terms of operational?

leverage and the interest on debt that we're going to have to pay. We want this bad, but do we want to pay that kind of a price long term to operate it? That's the question for Netflix. As everybody has looked around, I mean, the rational eyes in the room, and I think I'm among them, have said, you know what? I kind of like Warner Brothers Discovery here with Paramount. I kind of like Netflix, which is now very huge, and I kind of like Disney. And I kind of like the three of them compete in each other for the consumer. I kind of like that. I'm not sure I want Netflix to get even bigger.

So, you know, and I think I'm one of the rational guys, in my opinion. You know what I would be looking at right now from Netflix? I'd be looking at Bob Iger, okay? Because the perfect case study is, who has done this in the past before? Or it's only one guy. And that's Iger. What did Iger do? He's about Star Wars.

He about this. He bought Marvel. He about everybody, right? One by one by one. He was going around buying everybody. How did that do? Did it work out? Maybe it did work out. Maybe it's the woke stuff that didn't work out for them. But when you think about what's in the Time Warner catalog, top three largest library in Hollywood, okay, you got DC Universe, you got Harry Potter, you got Lord of the Rings, the Hobbit, the Matrix, Mad Max, the Conjuring Universe, Stephen King's Library Elements, Godzilla, Lego movies, Creed, then you have the old school stuff, The Wizard of Oz, Casablanca, singing in the rain, Rebel with a,

cause, Ben Hur, and then you have the HBO, because that comes with it as well, Game of Thrones, which is legendary soprano succession, the wire, euphoria, the wire, euphoria, true detective, sex and the city, curb your enthusiasm, board walk empire, and then you have a couple other things. You've got real sports, hard knocks, decades of award-winning documentaries that HBO is done. On top of that, you get friends, the series. You get the Big Bank theory, a young Sheldon, ER, West Wing, Gilmore Girls, pretty,

pretty little liars, supernatural, two and a half man. And then additional, the Lord of the Rings, the Hobbit final destination, nightmare on Elm Street, rush hour blade. By the way, if I keep going here, you're going to sit there saying, are you freaking kidding me? So how many chances is Netflix going to get to buy a catalog this big that they just fit into it? Well, this is why, one, and this is why it's now a public, hostile takeover with an open bid.

Are you saying it's done? I don't think it's done. I think ultimately Paramount wins because they're in startup mode and they'll be more willing to take a little bit of pain and go forward. And I believe Ellison is a longer term

thinker. And I just don't think that Netflix is going to be able to stomach the price. And then now you handicap this fight. Federal Trade Commission. I think this is done, Tom, because of one comment Trump made. I think this deal is done. It's going to Paramount. I think it's done.

Let me tell you what the comment was. Trump made that one comment and said, look, I had a great meeting with Ted. Ted Sarandos. Surrendos from Netflix. He's a very smart guy. However, they're going to have to look into if this still can't even get done because they're going to get too big, too powerful. So if I'm on the Netflix site, Netflix is sitting there saying, will they even allow us to buy it. FTC. Well, Brandon Carr, is that the guy that runs FTC? Am I saying it correctly, Rob? Will they even allow this thing to happen? And is Brandon Carr going to side with us at Netflix? Are they going to side with Ellison's? Because look what Ellison said. What did he say? He said, we want to focus on the 70% of Americans that want the truth. And they want it to be fair.

Not the 30% that's looking for what? You know, hysteria and, you know, whatever kind of reporting. They want to go back to that. And who loved, not like, but love hearing that? Yeah, I think, of course they love hearing that. And you know who's probably sitting on the sidelines worried about Ellison's picking it up? A company that's been dominating for two decades, Fox News. Fox News, because you don't think secretly Trump would like Fox News to have competition?

You don't think Trump wants Fox News? to have some kind of competition, because nobody knows what's going to happen with Murdoch's kids. Nobody knows what Lockland's going to do. And we've seen his angle, and he ain't his dad. What do you think about this, Dan? Do you have an opinion on this? Well, I'm a big believer in succession never works out like you're playing.

Man plans, God laughs. And so, getting back to Murdoch, he thinks the oldest son that is apparently the winner of the battle is going to do what he wants. He may do what he wants while he's still alive, but that doesn't mean he's going to do what he wants the old man when the old man's gone. And I wouldn't be surprised if somehow Murdoch

didn't stick his thumb in this deal. But I said if you remember back about four or five months ago, there was an MMA fight president. There was Elon Musk on one side of the president and the head of the Saudi sovereign fund on the other side of the president. And they were whispering

whatever they were whispering, and the future is coming from the Middle East. You know, even though I think that Dubai is Las Vegas without slot machines, they're going to have slot machines someday, and they have all the money in the world, and then some, and they're not even tapping their real wealth. And the other thing is that the Middle Eastern, after being partners with the Kuwaiti government, the Al-Sabod for almost 10 years, they're 50, 100-year planners.

They're not planning for the next quarter. you know and they know someday in 3,000 years they're going to run out of oil okay not in 30 years or 50 years and so that's why there's been such a outflow of money and they've been building up the Middle East so you think they're doing it purely do you think Tom Dan do you think they're doing purely for investment purposes or do you think they're doing it also to have some influence because I wonder what level of influence you think that's what it is so so what what what give me an ideal three things that they would like this new media platform do as influence to highlight Saudi to help Qatar and to help Abu Dhabi what does that look like okay one

like out your zero you know and they they look at whatever happens in the Middle East where they are not such a biased eye okay I'm not saying it's not biased the other way but so they're going to get positive influence around the world in the and the media and they need that the next The next generation of the Middle Eastern managers, when you get outside the top two or three guys, are young guys. Some day they say there's going to be a young gal there, but I don't believe that. They're young guys, and so they think very much like this young man does about things differently than we think, or at least my generation thinks. So they're going to get a different flavor, and they need that going forward. But they're not concerned what happens in the next 50 years.

they're concerned what's going to happen in the next hundred years. And right now, there's no U.S. investor that I'm aware of that is concerned about the next hundred years. They're concerned about the next quarter. Do you think it's investment or do you think it's influence? If they're going to be, you know, 12 billion, you know, of the 24 billion, they're kicking in 12 billion and they're kicking in 24 billion and Ellison's family is putting 11.8 billion,

do you think they're going to be having some sort of, of influence. Hey, we want you to make us look better. We want you to make us look grand. You're talking about the Middle East perspective? Middle East, Saudi, Qatar, Abu Dhabi. Do you think it's just a check? You know, there's an article here about how Ray Dalio says the Middle East is becoming the Silicon Valley of Capitalists, which I wanted to discuss. So you asked the question, is it business? Is it marketing? What was the question? And look, there's certain, like the other day I bought into this company that we talked about on the podcast a few months ago. Tom and I call them, boom, deal is done, money's in, we're happy. But it's, it's an investment. I'm not

looking for it as influence. Do you think they're just sitting there saying, we want to put some money there and diversify $24 billion because we think in the next 10 years that $24 billion is going to be $100 billion? Or do you think they're putting $24 billion saying, hey man, you better make us look good as well sometimes. Don't be too harsh on us. Don't be too harsh on Qatar, Saudi and Abu Dhabi. Well, it's a little bit of both because if you look at it from, you know, this perspective of who's actually running the Middle East, you know, this, this, this article was written by CNBC conveniently left out who's arguably the undisputed champion of the Middle East when it comes to Silicon Valley, which is Israel. All these other countries, whether it's

Saudi, whether it's the UAE, whether it's, you mentioned Kuwait, whether it's, any of these Middle East and Gulf countries, they have number, their number one only export is oil and gas. That's it. That's all they got. What Israel is doing is actually building tech, technology, water. You mentioned water. what Israel is doing with water and desalinating water is going to save the Middle East in a lot of countries talk about peace deals. A lot of these deals are going to be framed. We need water because we're in the freaking desert and we're all thirsty as hell

and we're going to need Israel. So a lot of these countries are going to have to use this for survival and forget their jihadi tendencies. So as far as diversification, you can't just rely on oil because in the next 20, 30, 40, 50 years, how much the world is going to run on oil, significantly less, right? going green, green technology. So they're diversifying.

The other component is, yes, they do want to modernize. They want to enter the modern world. They don't want to be left in the Middle Ages or the Stone Ages when Muhammad was running around. They need to step into the middle, into the modern world and compete. So a lot of these countries, their only foundation is oil, and they need to diversify and have other things going on. Tom.

So I appreciate the segue to Israel. But to focus on just these investors here coming on that Netflix deal, there's a little of both going on. They got into F1. There's like three races that are out there on the peninsula, fantastic tracks. A lot of Western people that are there, incredible hospitality. I've talked a lot of people that were there. I'd like to go to one. And then you've got what they did with Live Golf.

And you see how Doha is being built. We just talked about the housing in Doha. I did more research after the podcast yesterday, and it's only five hours from London. So it is a short tribe. It takes you less time to get to Doha from southern Europe, Pat, than it would take us from L.A. to get to Honolulu. So it's actually a convenient place to go, and it's clean, it's new, it's all kinds of things going on. They are doing three things. They've been westernifying up to a point.

Come here, enjoy yourself, bring your dollars. But, you know, on the back end, it's still a Muslim country. they have been, some people called it sport washing, you know, instead of whitewashing, sport washing by investing in all the sport to bring people there. But they've also been investing. This is not their first investment. PIF put a giant amount of money into Wii work. PIF money is in, I believe, in Uber, very large amount in Uber.

Check me on this before Uber went public. And so, number one, they're increasingly shrewd investors, Pat. But in this case, there is also the opportunity. to carry messaging to say, hey, there's nothing wrong with Jetta. There's nothing wrong with Doha. Come on over here. Enjoy yourself. Be part of it. So if I had to split it, I'm probably thinking, I'm going to go one-third, two-thirds. Two-thirds, it's investment because at their core, they're pretty astute business people. And one-third, absolutely they'd like to influence perceptions through programming, like product placement. And then they'd also directly like to, you know, influence news.

It also comes down to leadership. Look what MBS is doing in Saudi. I mean, we were at the American Business Forum put on by Mayor Francis Suarez, who we talked about earlier. With PIF money. It was all sponsored by the Saudi PIF Fund. So they're modernizing, and every country wants two things, peace and prosperity. And the Middle East has been ransacked by lack of peace and a lack of prosperity.

So leaders like MBS and the kingdom of UAE say, we need to do a little. we can to basically have that in our country. What's Ray Dalio saying here, right? Ray Dalio is talking about capitalism in the Middle East? Yeah, he's talking about Saudi Arabia and how it's slowly becoming the new Silicon Valley. Is this what Adam quoted earlier? Is there anything unique in there outside of that or that's pretty much it? I think his take is, sorry, Adam, a little bit better.

Whose? Yeah, Ray Dalio's takes a little. Sorry, Adam. Play Ray State. As you say, I've been coming here for 32 years. So I've watched it evolve from the founder. Sheikh Zayed to his children, and I think it is the closest thing we get to a paradise in a world that's increasingly in trouble. And they have a great investment management expertise because they have

lots of money that they manage for themselves. But when it's coming to money management, that creates a community in which other investment managers come here, and it creates this vibe like a Silicon Valley of investing. So this statement of capital of capital is not just a buzzword, you know, or a slogan. It is that if you want to be in almost the Silicon Valley of investment management, there's an excitement to being here. And it's particularly enhanced by the combination with AI.

You know, I would say these are the two biggest commitments we think of Abu Dhabi as being oil and of course it is but really now asset management because of the amount of assets they have and how they're doing it and also AI because of the commitment that they made earlier

and now is creating that kind of vibe and that's bringing together very interesting people to create a happening environment there you go I must ask Ray Dalio what his point was but I just, I want to refrain from doing anything like that on this. He's been saying a lot of crazy stuff lately. I don't know how much credibility I give that.

Like the stuff he's been saying about China, I don't know. I don't think there's anything. You're questioning Ray Dalio's credibility? I am. I know that sounds a bit absurd because he's the most successful hedgeman manager of all time. What do you think he lacks credibility in? No, it's just like I know that the Middle East is deeply worried about their dependence on oil, and he's making it sound like they're much more successful in, like, tech and tourism than it seems like they are.

It's very simple. How much of his net, Rob, can you find that how much of Ray Dalio's net worth is tied to China and is tied to, here he was talking about who? Middle East. Is he talking Middle East or is he talking? I think he was being very specific about Abu Dhabi. I've been coming here for 32 years. I knew the prince. That's how he started?

So can you say how much of Ray Dahlia's network is tied to China and Abu Dhabi? How much is he investing into that? Yeah, that's a good question. Yeah, how much is he investing into that? Which, by the way, let's see. Because to me, I don't know if I see that as a, let's zoom in a little bit, $15 billion to Nathan, okay? For example, Tunraud and Virgilva reportedly managed

about $7.5 billion in China-specific funds, okay, but that's as firm. At times, I manage billions of dollars in China. We've always known that. As far as Abu Dhabi, Middle East Dalia, has recently supported initiatives there. Back in a global finance center index at NYU, Abu Dhabi, has spoken positive about the regional potential.

public sources do not break down the network tied that $3 billion figure of Chinese businesses refers to investments in Chinese business but doesn't necessarily affect current value. Okay, all right. So, you know, Tom, what are your thoughts on what Ray just said there? Well, he started, I cling to, first of all,

I'm not Team Dahlia one way or the other. And what I heard a guy say, I heard a couple things. Number one, I've been here for a while, and so I know what I'm talking about. I've seen the evolution and a new generation. Number two, he said it's the Silicon Valley. He's not becoming Silicon Valley. He was using Silicon Valley metaphor.

It's become a Silicon Valley of money management and investing, which I think is correct. And he says they have a lot of their own money. And so the first thing they do is they've been managing the home team, is what I heard him say, managing their own money. Now, does he have a lot invested there? Well, we don't know. But for Bridgewater to succeed, it probably has to be a global fund. It can't just be an isolationist fund. And so he's probably, you know, being nice to his hosts, because where was he sitting when he said these nice words?

And he's probably being nice to some of his investments because I think there's a zero chance that he has zero invested. And so I think that he knows what he's talking about. They have managed their money very, very well. They do manage their money first. And, yeah, some of the things he says can be a little wonky, but that's what I read from what he said. I didn't see anything that I would say, ah, wait a minute. Well, let me kind of share something with the audience.

The other day I saw something, Rob, if you don't by pulling up what Kevin Durant has done quietly with his investments, have he seen this? Kevin Durant, basketball player, okay? Watch this year. Very interesting when you watch some of this stuff on how quietly what he's doing. He invested in, Rob, you are all the way at the end, I believe. You got to go all the way to the front.

Is that the first one? Okay, keep going to take. Okay. Kevin Durant's investment track record is elite. Watch this. Go to the next one. He invested in WAPS Series B in 2017 valued at $100 million, now is valued at $3.6 billion. 36x return, meaning if you would have put $2 million in it, it's now $72 million.

Go to the next one. Invested in Robin Hood Series D-2018 valued at $5.6, now it's worth $119 billion. That's $21X. You put $2 million, you have $42 million. He was also a voice for Robin Hood. He was a voice for Robin Hood. Invested 250 and ACORN Series B in 2018 valued at $150 million, now valued at $2 billion, $13X return. Keep going.

Invested in Drafking Series D in 2017, valued at a billion. Now it's $17 billion, 17x return. Keep going. Is that it, Rob? Okay. Invested 250 in Coinbase Series E in 2018. That's E. Valued at $8 billion, now $75 billion, a 9x return.

Keep going. Invested in Postmate Series D in 2017, valued at $116. $70 million, now was acquired five years ago for $2.65 billion, 15x return. Go to the next one. Invested in overtime series A in 2018, valued at $40 million. Now it's valued at $800 million. That's a $20x return. So when you hear stories like this, one, I don't know Kevin, but good for him for doing

things like this. You need more examples of this in the NBA. But a lot of this stuff that when you hear about stories that he has, you know who else had a story like this. Magic Johnson, who just became a billionaire, when he worked for Jerry Bus, he would always talk about that Jerry, the benefit of playing for Jerry, Jerry was able to do something, can't do it in the NBA anymore. I don't know if you remember this deal, Tom, but I think Jerry gave Magic 5% equity of the Lakers. Can he pull that up, Rob, if he did give him 5% equity of the Lakers? So Jerry sat there with Magic and said, look, I'm not only

just going to help you with, because I'm not going to help you with the game, but I'm going to help you with business, and Magic sat there and said, man, I want to listen to this rich guy, see what he's going to say. Magic's a billionaire today. Guy went from being a basketball player. I believe he was at Michigan State, if I'm not mistaken, Tom. He goes from that to being, yeah, so the commonly number is that Magic got four and a half percent stake, reportedly paid about $10 billion for the shares.

Johnson later on sold his shares in 2010 to Patrick Sung Shunk, who's a multi-billionaire and bought the L.A. Tamster, I think, $500 million. Correct. That same guy who was trying to help people out with cancer right now. very interesting stories with him. He's become a very interesting character. But if you're watching this, the average person, Dan, I'm going to come to you with this one, say I'm an average guy, I don't make a lot of money.

Say I make 80K a year. I make 100K. I make somewhere between 80 to 250 per year, okay? Is that considered average? Let's just say 80 to 250. Our audience, our audience, they're business people. Your average is 50,000 median income, $50,000, but I'm going to somebody that's doing 80 to 250, what should I be looking for?

Where should I be invested in my money? I'm not a business owner. I'm either an executive, a manager, somebody that's doing their job right. What should I be looking at with investments for the next 10, 20 years? So I have some opportunities like this as well. Unless you're going to be a full-time investor, meaning you're not going to work at a job, you're just going to do research all the time. I tell people to go and look at the five best funds, fidelity.

et cetera, five, 10, 15, 20, 25-year results, and take a mix of that and put your money in. And I recommend they invest monthly. And so it comes out of your paycheck, et cetera. And then you wake up 10, 20 years later, and you've got to, assuming the country doesn't bust with a big gob of money. The guys today, if you look at the ads on the television, and at the bottom, if it's trading or if it's a derivative, or whatever, it says on the bottom, between 65 and 87% of all these investments don't make money. Nobody reads that part.

They just put their money in. And when they wind up losing it, they go to, what's that column on the internet that you say bad things about people? The Valuetaminti podcast chat? No, no. He's talking about, is it X or no? You're not talking X. He's talking about, what is that place that everybody talks?

Bad shit about you. Reddit? Read it, read it. Then you go on Reddit and it didn't work for me. Okay. Okay. By the way, just so you know what you just said, there's a story that came out yesterday, maybe two days ago.

From Wall Street Journal, okay, to the average person who doesn't put money in 401Ks, watch this. 401Ks are minting a generation of moderate millionaires. Steady saving by many Americans and a third consecutive year of big gains for U.S. stocks have swollen account balances as 2025 comes to close. many individual investors are finding holiday cheer and statements showing they have crossed a million dollar milestone

in their 401ks. As of the third quarter, there were 654,401K millionaires at just the brokerage you just mentioned earlier, which is what? Fidelity. Just fidelity. Not American funds, not trans, not any of these guys, just fidelity, 654 in 401Ks over a million,

the highest levels in record. going back to the early 2000s, around 3.2% more than 3 million accounts tracked by benefits provider. A-Light had balances above a million dollars as of the third quarter, double the figure at the end of 2022, at T-Row price, roughly 2.6% of participants' balances above $1 million and up 1.3% at the end of 2022. That's crazy. In the last three years, just that T-Row of 401K accounts over a million dollars has gone

from 1.3% of the accounts to 2.6% of accounts. It has doubled 100%. For the first time, half of private sector workers are saving in 401 kids, which allow workers to invest money directly from their paychecks without subtracting, and it's got a couple of the stats here. So it kind of validates what you're talking about to the average guy. Absolutely. But we're at the top of a bull market. Most of the pundits, myself included, would say that we're overvalued right now, and we're going to have a correction. I keep talking about a black swan that's going happen. And we'll see what those numbers are two years into the bear market. But the idea is to keep it 15, 20 years and not trade it. Most of the guys and the kids that I know are trading

and most traders at the end of their career, save two or three, don't make any money. You know, and the, it's like with Bitcoin, which I'm not in favor, but I tell when Bitcoin hit $117,000 the first time, about three years ago, I said, I'm not in it, but if I were in it, I'd sell a third, keep two-thirds. And it hit in the hundreds of thousands. Two more times I said, sell a third, keep two-thirds. And so now you'd have about an eighth or a sixth of it left, but you'd still have the benefit of that bull market.

But most of the kids, they read two books on trading, and they think they're traders. And I tell you, or I tell anybody that will listen, there are a lot of books on sex, right? Thousands and thousands. Is any of those books as good as getting laid? The answer is not. They're not, Dan.

They're not. Okay. Very, very deep. Very deep. No pun intended. Deeper, deeper, deeper. Tom. I'm sorry, I wasn't paying a time.

Yeah, I know you weren't. But talking about Bitcoin, talking about Bitcoin. You've been critical of Bitcoin before. And in the past, I think he said something about Bitcoin is tied to Russia, CIA as your enterprise. No, I said, seven or eight years ago, I said, there's two people that would benefit from the collapse of the financial market. markets in the U.S., China and Russia.

Benefit from the collapse, which is true, yeah. And three or four years ago, China banned it because it was making their economy collapse, not ours. And the fact that a lot of people think some Japanese guy in a cave and vented Bitcoin, that's the hand job of all time. I mean, that's so much horseshit, it is unbelievable. Do you still think it was somebody from China or Russia? No, no, not trying to China.

Do you think? What do you think is behind it? Well, I know, they say Satoshi Nakamoto in a different language means the CIA. Well, I do know nothing would have happened in Russia without Putin knowing it. Now, I've trained six of the oligarchs in Russia. Six. There's eight. I trained six of them. And they've never told me any secrets. I had the sign of one of them just at the last seminar in November.

Okay. I'm now training second generation of these very wealthy guys. and we'll see I'm not as dogmatic about it as Charlie Munger and Warren Buffett I almost said the late Warren Buffett I almost slipped the current Warren Buffett

who's just stepping down but I mean I would rather, as he says I would rather have instead of 1% of Bitcoin I'd rather have 1% of all the farmland in the United States Over Bitcoin? Over Bitcoin, yeah So you still don't own any Bitcoin?

No My wife bought some for our grandchildren so she manages a small portfolio or grandkids. And I think her average price is probably 50,000. Okay. So she bought it a couple years ago. Yeah, correct.

Got it. Got it. But would you advise others to buy Bitcoin today? You're still advising and gas. No, no. I'm in cash. So you're waiting for a fall. I've been in cash for a long, long time.

Okay. And people say, what about inflation? Well, Bunker Hunt told me a long long time ago, and I used to be the partners with the Hunt family. Danny, if you got to worry about it, inflation, you're not making that fucking money. Okay? He said the same thing about taxes. Of course, he never paid taxes.

That's why he went to jail. If you're worried about taxes, Danny, you're not making enough money. Is this him? This is Bunker Huntke, my boy. We used to sit in American Airlines. He'd take up three seats. How big was he? Four, four-fifty. Stop it. Yeah. I was part of the silver

deal that they got in trouble with. What did he die from? Heart failure. Yeah, that's a big boy. But I used to be able to, I got to fly in his G2 at the time. That was the plane he had G2, but reconfigured G2. Yeah. But his wife, this is a great story. His wife, Mrs. Hunt used to pick us up at the Dallas, DFW airport.

And, you know, if you've been to the DFW, you know, the luggage comes out and goes around a circle. And so, she were in there, 77 Buick. And there's a crack from the lower left-hand front window to the upper right-hand crack. and she says, I'm sorry, Mr. Pena, but Bunky won't let me get it fixed because insurance won't cover it. I said, it doesn't bother me, ma'am, it doesn't bother me. As long as it doesn't shatter in my faith, I don't care. And they used to have a transistor radio swinging from the mirror,

and there'd be a hollow place where the radio was supposed to go because he didn't think the transistor radio added enough value, so the radio in the car didn't add enough value for the extra $140 or $50. I thought I'd never see that again. Well, you know, who had a similar car is the current senator from Florida, Rick Scott, who I trained, he was my lawyer, and I sent him off to found Columbia Healthcare. He had a crack in the window, and he had a transistor radio hanging from the mirror. And I used to say, when it was more vogue, two of the cheapest, well, it sounds awful white men that I ever knew.

just about to get canceled, bro. Yeah. He actually takes that as a compliment. Okay. You say you call that to Adam. Adam's like celebrating. It's true. White guys.

So, well, question for you. So you're not a believer in Bitcoin. No. You're a cash guy. Do you have a 401k? I haven't had a paycheck since January,

is 92. Okay. So respectfully, nobody's on your level, meaning you said you're about to be 80. You're about to be 80? You're about to be, no, I don't mean it like that,

meaning you're about to be 80, you said? I'm 80. I turn 80. Well, you look great. Great. color jacket. But your advice doesn't work for the average person. No, I know it doesn't. That's why I follow certain day this advice. But he gave

the average advice. Yeah. He gave very good advice to the average guy. When I said 80 to 250 he said, find the five funds on what they're doing. Compare them 5, 10, 15, 25 years. Diversified. And he said, put money in a dollar cost averaging, which

you're for dollar cost averaging. And I see what that works out. And then that's when I went to Fidelity zone for the first time to have 665,000 401K counts over a million bucks but go ahead well for me you know we say more is caught than taught yeah uh the reason that i'm a 401k millionaire is because someone that i worked with was teaching me about a 401k it happened in 2008 he goes how much did you lose in the market i don't have any money in the market he goes well now's a great time to maybe start investing and i was like okay i couldn't even spell

401k at the time and now 2008 almost 17 years later boom you have a 401k millionaire the reality is most people don't think 401Ks are sexy. The reality is most people, they're going to need a 401k to retire with money. So unless you want to get house rich and cash poor, you're going to have to sell your house in order to have money. If you're with a company that matches

for sure, 4%, 100% of your 401K, at least put in the match to get that money. I agree. If you're not, that's double dumb. Like you said, if you're not a day trader where you're studying all this stuff, not the guys that you talk about that read two books and think they, they're traders. If you're not, and you're getting

a hundred percent match, go do it. Yes. Take advantage of it. Well, Mario started putting stuff in his 401k, you know, just a few years ago. The other day, I'm asking him, how much you got in your 401k? He says, Pat, you won't believe how much. I said, what do you have? He gives, I'm like, you got to be. He says, no, Pat. I'm like, are you. He says, I can't even believe it. I'm going to check the four minutes. I said, but that's the benefit of the match. If you're not getting a match, don't do it. And that's, if you are getting a match, you might want consider Roth Rhea. One thing I just want to say, because obviously you and I are NBA experts over here, Kevin Durant, if you go back to what we're talking about with that being an investor,

you notice that all those investments happened after he left Oklahoma City and went to Oklahoma and went to Golden State. So this started around 2016, 27, 2018. You know, they say that like, show me your friends or show you your future. You show up from OKC, by the way, number one team in the league right now to Golden State with Steph Curry. become the two-time NBA champion and all of a sudden you're blocks away from Silicon Valley opportunities are going to come your way. So you said they invested in X, Y, and Z, all these companies. So location, location, location is not just in real estate, but it's also investing. Look who's in his ear. Andre Iguala is one of the most famous, you know, six men of all

time. He's not an NBA Hall of Fame arguably, but he's an NBA Hall of Fame investor because he played for Golden State and basically changed his framework of his career. And now he's a multi, multi, multi, multi millionaire outside of basketball. You're one amazing voice in your ear from changing your life. Who was that for you when you were younger, by the way? You know you are that to a lot of people. Constantine Gratzos, the CEO of Onassis shipping, the right-hand man of Aristotle Anassas for 60 years.

Onassis was, to me, one of the most, he was my mother's favorite guy. But Onassis, if you've never read the book on this guy, do you know this guy marries Jackie Kennedy. And you know what they put in place? For every year she's married to him, he gave her 10 million bucks. After being together for five or six years, you can correct me on this, Onassis. She, they get a divorce.

I think they separate or something happens. And she's like, you need to give me X, Y, Z amount of money. He says, no, that 10 million, I give you more than that every year with the amount of money you spend. You're getting nothing from me. Gave her nothing. If you've never read the book on Onassis,

he is one of the most underrated names for the younger generation. that you don't know about this guy was a jeep but please i just i just got to onassis after he died and uh mr grazos took over constantine gratzos he lived at number one chansel lisei was his address was my wife and i in recent years i've gone back to one now it's it doesn't he lived in the attic with the rats but he said he always had a tan so he put a aluminum foil around his neck like this this was onus no no one asses he wanted people to think he was either on a boat a tennis court or a golf course. So he always had a tan, and he always spent more money than he made, which is quite easy

for my wife to do. It was a little harder to me. But what did you learn from Constantine? What did he teach us a young man? He, he, the, um, NASA's shipping had 107 ships. This is when I was there. All a Panamanian registry, all paid for no debt. And they had him to Olympic towers, the building. And he said, we used home in Olympic Airlines. We gave the airlines back to the country because we couldn't figure out how to run an airline and make money at it. The Onassis Towers was 40% full and 60% empty when I was in it. And I used to use Christine Onassis' office that looked down Fifth Avenue at St. Pantor's Cathedral. And he said that the two biggest levers you have in life are other people and other people's money.

OPM. OPM. Oness is an extravagant life is the book. If you've never, just buy the audiobook, folks. Go buy it, listen to it, life-changing. You will be entertained. Onassis was extremely strange, unique, psycho-competitor. The level of psycho-competitive this guy was, and, you know, right around 45 years old,

he started having bladder problems. I know another guy at 45-year-old started having bladder problems, Adam Saustle. This is like six podcasts in or he stepped away. By the way, I don't know if Onassis has had bladder problems at 45. I know this guy. But this guy does. He drinks a lot of water.

Can we put a garshok for this guy? To all the Armenians that listen, can you please send him a garshoek right down here. So you can. I already have multiple garshokes. Thanks for the fans out there. So let's have the house. You send you garshok?

Of course. Do you know what a garshok is? No. We're going to send you one. Don't worry. Garshok in Russian, Armenian is little potty. Like, you know how kids you sit on those little garshok?

I think Adam needs a garshok. Like maybe like a save that money, garshok. But let me get to the next story. Adam, you're in trouble. Yeah. Irons the problem. I'm going to get into the next story here I want to get to. So this next story

maybe it doesn't have to do with the economy. Maybe it does. Being hot is now a job requirement. How do you think I got this job, Pat? So, in the age of OZMPIC and microlifts, the pretty privileged gab is growing.

Emily Reynolds runs a PR company. And with that responsibility comes to pressure to look young, she tells me. She's 44, but often passes as younger, Rob, can we see what she looks like? She often passes as younger, and that's by design. Reynolds has tried Botox, filler laser facials, hydrofacials, and invests in expensive skincare products.

She has a peloton and does intense workouts, this LaBerry's boot camp, she's walking the precarious line, and she tells me between looking mature enough to show she's an experienced professional who can run and mentor her team and young enough to be relevant, even as she thinks critically about beauty standards imposed on women, Reynolds worries about what would happen to her business and professional reputation if she abandoned her rituals and routines and what's going to happen as she continues to age. How long will I be quote, unquote, publicly relevant, perceived as attractive, Reynolds says. And when I'm not, what happens to me professionally?

That's the thing I think about daily. What a thing to be thinking about daily with that. Do you think it's extremely important to be hot and if it's a job requirement today, meaning the better you look, the more likely it is that you're going to get the job? Dan, what do you think? Absolutely.

Absolutely. Yes. Okay, so it's no coincidence that the former personal assistant to Gates, jobs when he was alive, and more recently, Elon, is the same woman. She's written a book and how she's set up to go after jobs first, and then Gates, and then Elon. She didn't have any kids with Elon,

because Elon likes to have a lot of kids, but not with her. And most of the top assistants, female I'm talking about, to the big Wall Street guys, are all good-looking. There's no old hags, you know, It looked like Volkswagen's. Do you think it helps guys as well, or to guys, it doesn't matter, whether the girl looking or not to make money? Does it help to be good looking, to be in shape, and business for men?

Depends. My Hall of Fame doesn't have one six-pack on it. I've got 145 or 50 guys. Two girls. Not one six-pack. Not one. Not one. I've got some guys that take steroids and have big muscles, but no six-pack.

Got it. Adam, what do you think about this? The question is what? This lady, give me the question. The question is, how important is it to look good? Does it help you advance in your career? Hell yeah, it does. You think I know anything about anything?

I'm just good looking. No, the reality is this. A lot of people may, you know, I'm reading the comment section out of it. Very ugly. They're not about very ugly. They're worried about you having to use a bathroom every single product. I'm drinking a lot of water, but my voice sounds good. Here's the reality.

There is something called Pretty Privilege, and it affects women way more than affects men. So women have to understand this, that inner beauty and outer beauty is completely different. Outer beauty will get you in the door anywhere. But inner beauty will keep you in the house or keep you in a job or keep you employed. So there's a lot of hot girls relying on pretty privilege these days, but that only goes so far. So what's your character? What's your DNA?

What's your values? What's your principles? Just being hot will not keep you there long enough. You need to do more than that. Now, as far as a man, for a man to have status, you have multiple factors. that you can rely on other than looks. Looks, if you ask women, are not even the number one thing. It's status, it's money, it's your game, so to speak.

Are you funny? Are you humorous? Are you bombastic? Do you got a swag? Do you have a castle? You got a castle. It doesn't matter if you're a couple pounds overweight. So the reality is, I don't even know if this chick's married.

And not that it matters per se, but if she is not married, you may want to take a step back from your career and focus on family and kids before it's too late. Who is this girl anyways, Ralph? Is she supposed to be hot? I don't know, Dan. I don't know. Is this the girl?

I miss the family. Can you go to another one that says Emily Roberts? Emily Reynolds. Is it Roberts or Reynolds? Reynolds. Reynolds. No relation to Ryan. No. Okay.

Tom, where are you at with this? So I believe that there is something to coming into an interview and looking sharp. Okay. Looking sharp. But I'll tell you, the further along I've been in my career, the more I've looked at it, what can you do, when can you do it, and who can I call to confirm it? I thought you were going to say, who can you do?

I was like, Tom, what can you do? When can you do? No, I don't think Tom. Literally. Sorry, Dan Pena here. You're going to say things like this, please. It's it. If you come in looking disheveled, that makes a difference.

But if you come in looking shuffled, You don't have to be handsome or particularly beautiful by, like, modeling standards. You just need to be sharp and put together like you take care of yourself. I'll tell you, there is a bias, and it is a factual bias, and no one's going to want to hear this, and this is not fat-shaming, but people that are incredibly overweight, there isn't a perception about employers. Are you taking care of yourself, and if you care enough to take care of yourself, will you care enough to take care of the job that I'm hiring you for, and what's going on here?

So there is that bias, but you don't have to look like a model. You have to come in and say, this is my background, this is what I've accomplished, this is what I'm capable of, here's my references, I'm ready to go. And I think that's the attitude. Now, younger people do women that are more beautiful, get hired into a role like an assistant or like this? Sure, I'd be a fool to say that that doesn't happen. But for the broad spectrum, we're looking for people to get the job done,

to surround ourselves with everybody we work out with at Equinox. Okay. All right. So to me, I think when it comes on to this, you have to, I used to work at valleys. And when I would work at valleys,

guys would come in and, you know, I would have some fun with them, but I would also, you know, be, it was 50% fun, 50% series.

I would have them stand up. I'm like, okay. So are you single? I am. When's the last time you had a steady relationship? Not in a while. Do you own a gym membership?

Obviously, I don't. Okay, you look, I'm like, I said, look, man, what are you going to do to make this work? Okay? So then I'm like, listen, can I just talk to you openly? Yes. I said, stop trying to grow a beard. You don't have one.

It doesn't look good. You either have it, do it, you don't have it, you don't have it. Don't do it. All right. Number two, what is this hairdo you got here? What is this all about? Like, what are you doing with this hairdo? I said, we've got to get rid of this hairdo.

It's a pretty shitty hairdo. We got to fix this thing here, right? It's not going to work. Go to somebody and I would introduce them to one of my guys Go get a nicer haircut This is embarrassing You can't go around looking like this No girl's gonna want to date you

And if she does I would question her integrity Like what she's doing this for Then it's the way you dress Tell me how you dress Tell me what you're wearing What is unique about your brand When you walk into room What's going to be different about you?

What do you dress that's just different than everybody else? What do you do? Okay great here's what I do Working out energy Do you smile? Do you take care of yourself And I think this is like even when we licensed 60,000 insurance agents in 50 states, so I had a lot of younger guys that would come in. And I've had many conversations where I would sit down and I had a kid.

I would say, first of all, you smell horrible. So hygiene is extremely critical. If you can't figure out your hygiene, I don't know if you realize or not. It's hard to be around you. And stop talking to me like this. Hi, Patrick. You smell. Fix your breath.

Have people tell you if you have your bread. Have one of these, what do you call these? mint things that you put in, but that's a shortcut as well. Floss two, three times a day. Have these flossing stuff that the stuff gets out of your teeth because that's what smells bad. As you get older, you got to take care of this stuff and you got to figure out what you got to do for your bread to smell better. Hygiene. Blow dry yourself after a shower, okay? Blow dry or any area that sweat stays there, just don't burn your private parts, but blow dry yourself, right? Blow dry, not curling iron. I'm actually being that serious with you. Blow dry yourself.

Blow dry between your toes on your feet. That's what makes your feet. That's what makes your feet smell because it's nasty blow dried after you get because it's wet yeast stuff stays in there and then it's like use this deodorant try this shampoo try this axe take a shower do it this way and then eventually three six months later they smell better give them a cologne hey start off with this peri ellis this one 12 clone this jupe clone whatever the old school clones were not the you know creed clones you're not going to go around hand in creed or stefano clones to people but maybe not stop water but i'm just being very honest and then eventually you're like All right, so look what you look like.

You smell better, you look better, you're taking care. And then you see the confidence, and then all of a sudden they're walking like this. You've been doing this your entire life to younger guys. And then you're like, all right, now he's got a girlfriend. Now he walks in a different way. Now he's got a little bit of a swagger. Now he's got self-worth. Now he's got some money in the bank.

Now he's got some, and then good things start happening. But I think the comment, Tom, that you made, I think it's extremely right because Tom's message applies to 90% of people. If you're handsome, you're good looking, you know what you can do many times? You can have shitty hair. You cannot fix everything on your hair, your face, and there's these people

that can, they wake up and they look good. Look at that one hair. Look at that face. But to everybody else, I think it is important. I think it works and done. I'm going to give you the final thoughts on this year. You have two times I make a first impression. One, when you walk in the door, she walks in the door. The next is when you open your big mouth.

Okay? A lot of people can pass the look test, but then they stick their foot in their mouth. And so communication skills are paramount. And the current generation, actually the last two generations, have piss poor communication skills. Bill Ackman worth 9.2 billion. The other day gave a tip to people on X and went viral. He said, here's a tip to young man. When you want to ask a girl out, ask her, may I meet you? Okay. And the amount of people that tried to troll him for saying, may I meet you, was nonstop. You got trolled nonstop all day. What is your line?

If that's what Ackman says, what would Dan Pena say? As a single man or an 80-year-old man? No, no, no, a single man. As an 80-year-old, you can get away with anything, but I'm a single man. Okay, your place of mine. Really? That's opening. She's like, I live in a one bed.

He's like, I'm in a castle. Okay, your place of mine. Come meet me at my car. Which do you, Rob, can you run a poll? Which do you prefer? May I meet you or put your place or mine? Run a poll. Fellas, ladies. Which one? Let's see what's going to happen here. Can you pull my picture of my wife and I that is in our state? He'll find it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rob, start that poll. I'm curious. Folks, start voting. May I meet you? When did that, when did that line start working? When, Dan, when did that line start working?

When I was 21. Once I had a castle. Once you had a rolls. No, no, no, no. Hang on, once you had a... I had a rolls when I was 24. Oh, okay. When I was commissioned an officer, a young guy at NATO, I mean, your place or mine.

And actually, I got it from a woman, asked me during the lunch break, you know, your place are mine. And so I... She asked you... Oh, that's when you were working in NATO? Yeah. That was that nice Russian woman that said, tell me all about your job. Which picture is it, by the way? Is there a picture, Robby?

The one... Younger picture of... Can you go to my website? Oh, wait, stop, stop, stop. See those pictures on the right? That's my wife last year and that's my wife 30 years ago. All the way to the right? The one there, that, those two.

30 years ago, last year. Wow. Rocking the same... She used to be a big sailor. She was winning that race across the Atlantic. And that's serious. She's wearing a sailing harness. That's like big time sailor.

Yeah, she is. Well, she was a big time sailor. But she looks the same. That's when the boat's up at 44 degrees. Can I add one thing? Lean it into the wind. You can add one thing. Okay.

I'm just imagining, you know, the guy walks into Bally's for the first time. And he's... And Bally's, is that a... Back is a game. Bally total fitness. If you remember, Nautilus Bally's. I'm just imagining the guy walks into... You're playing.

Your place or mine is winning. That's swag right there. May I meet you, your place or mine. It's close. It's close. That's 1,400 people just voted in the last minute. Almost as close as my point the other day to like or hate it. Adam.

Can I meet you as woke? May I meet you as woke? Meet me here is. May I meet you's woke. Your place or mine. And I know I know Fortune 50 CEOs that you know the names that they can make it vulgar, more vulgar, no, more vulgar than your place or mine. I mean, they, and that's just to go there because then we're going to trigger Tom and then, well, the thing I was going to say.

Some men are pigs, man. Some men are pigs. I know, but they've been pigs since Caveman. That's exactly right. When they balked her on the head and dragged her back. Exactly. I should have lived then. Bonk. Don't.

What I was going to say is this. I could just picture the guy that walks. and the ballets and pat walks in and goes, you're fat, your smell, your hair is all messed up, your hygiene, you'd be amazed how many these guys came back being thankful. But that's my point is that they're open to feedback and they're coachable.

That's the one thing I've noticed between certain men and not certain men and certainly between men and women is that men are more comfortable being offended. Guys will tell each other, we bust balls, bro, you're fat, your gross, clean it up. And it's like, all, cool, I will. Women can't say each other to each other.

That's why they're all tens, okay? Oh, how do I look? I'm a 10. I'm a 10. I'm a 10. Women don't want to be offended. For a man, you need to be comfortable being offended. And people, you need to be told, you're fat, you're sloppy, you clean it up, you're a loser. Don't end up being a loser. That's how you motivate young men. That's a different how you motivate young women. Men are willing to engage in self-deprecation and women aren't. I've seen, not that we need to rehab. Some of the things you've said online. It's not for the fainth of heart. No. But you say, F, you clean it up, stop being a, that, da, da, da, blah, blah, blah, blah. and that's how men actually receive feedback, right? Like if you've had a football coach or a basketball coach or a drill sergeant, they go, get down, mother, and you do it. Women don't respond to that. You can't go to a girl and say, you're fat, you're ugly, you're overweight, clean it up. They're going to start crying in the corner.

For a guy, that's going to make or break. If you say that to a guy and they clean it up, that means they're resilient. If they start crying in the corner, then they're weak and they'll probably never get late anyway. Forbes magazine put out a survey last year that 80%, of employees throughout the United States of America cry at least one time a week. 80% of employees? Employees from below the chairman

and CEO, the C-suite, I guess they call it. Cry once a week. So I asked my two kids to work for big companies and my daughter, who's 39 now, she was 38 then, she says, more than once a week, Dad. And it's mostly men cry at work. Yeah. That's where we are.

Wow. I don't want to say this publicly, but last week, I saw Adam in the gym. This happens routinely on Fridays. He was crying. That's normally it's Wednesdays because it's like, you know, Brandon, I'm like Adam. But normally, honestly, like the solution, one good hug wraps it up. Thank you. Right?

Or a pal-pow. Either way, I suck it up. No, obviously that's a joke. But the point I'm trying to, the point of what you're saying here is taking the feedback from somebody that's giving you straight up. Let's do the last thing before we wrap up. We got four minutes for this one. Okay, home de-listings, surge, as sellers struggle to get their price. This isn't good.

They're trying to sell. No one's willing to pay the price. The realtor comes and says, let's take it off because it shows that it's been for sale for 328 days, and let's start it all over again. Here's what the NBC had to say about it. Go forward, Rob. Housing market, but this year could be worse than expected as sellers seem to be giving up. Diana Olegh joins us to explain why.

Diana. Hey, Mike, yeah, when a seller takes their home off the market, it's called a delisting, and they're now happening at an unusually high rate. De-listings in October, which are reported with a one-month lag, were up 45.5% year to date and up nearly 38% from October of last year. That according to a new report from Realtor.com. Now, this is the highest delisting year since they began tracking in 2022. De-listings began to rise in June and have remained elevated for five straight months. About six percent of active listings have been coming off the market each month, which is typically something you only see in the dead of winter. All right, so why is

it happening? Uncertainty in the economy, stagnant and high mortgage rates, and of course a still pricey market. Locally, Miami, Denver, and Houston are seeing the highest ratio of delistings compared with new listings. Those are also markets that saw some of the biggest price gains in recent years. And in addition, and because of that, more potential, buyers are now heading to what realtor.com calls refuge markets, more affordable markets, brand rapids, St. Louis, Cleveland, Milwaukee, and Pittsburgh are all seeing much bigger price gains now than the rest of the country because demand there is suddenly surging. Now later today, we do get earnings from luxury homebuilder Toll Brothers. We haven't had any government data on

the homebuilders since before the shutdown, but Toll has been outperforming simply because its buyers are less reliant on mortgage rates. Now, they did guy, did guide to lower home deliveries. We'll see how much lower when we get those results this afternoon. Okay, Tom, what's going on here? What's going on is they said delistings, this is the highest it's been since they started measuring it. What happens with delistings, when people finally decide to sell, they're usually selling into a roll up market. They're seeing prices roll up around them. They're seeing prices go up. Honey, maybe it's time to, you know, sell the house and buy something smaller or maybe now's the time to, you know, move across town to something bigger.

Well, what happens with delistings? D-listings is what happens. D-listings increase, which tells, you know, the market observers that the peak of the market prices and the current point may be upon us, Pat. When prices peak, delistings happen, what it says is that there's, guess what? There's now prices may be starting to go down a bit. So number one, you look at, you see, are we seeing the D-listings as a signal we may be at the top of market and prices are now going to moderate or go down a little bit? And remember, these prices have run up for a while, so it's not like these are going to drop below mortgage value like the great financial crash in 2008, 2009.

But this is a sign. Now, what do we also see? Two weird stats. Number one, the layoffs have increased over the summer from. July to now, layoffs have increased, but job openings have also increased, which might mean that we don't have the people in the right places or the right skills for the right jobs because you have layoffs on one hand and then you have job openings on the other. But this, I believe, is a sign that in these peak markets, we're about to see pricing start going down because I put it

up saying, hey, honey, it was a million, let's put it up at a million 50, see if we get any takers because things have been up around us. But what if the real market for your house is, really 975 right now because it's peaked a little bit. Well, then the realtor says, look, we don't want to go drop, drop, drop because people will price under you. They'll think maybe you have to move somewhere for a job and there's some psychology and buying. Let's just do this. Take a breather and then we'll put it back out at 980 and go get your 975. There's strategy to it as well. Dan, what feedback do you have to say for people that are not homeowners or homeowners? To homeowners, do I sell or do I keep to if I want to buy? Is that a good time to buy? Do I wait?

what do I do? If the house is a house that you're living in as opposed to an investment, if it's an investment, I think the market's going to go lower. So, I mean, depending on,

can you be without a home or without a real estate piece of property, without a fourplex, et cetera, et cetera, I'd sell. But if it's your house, I'd just write out the market. I'm in your home.

I just write out the market. The common sense. Yeah. You want a house, family, somewhere to live and you're going to be there long term, five, ten years? Just go by, do your thing.

Okay, Adam, your thoughts on this? Yeah, of course. Is it a lifestyle thing? is an investment thing? Is this something for your family? Those are three different things. I've said this before. I'll say it again.

The best investment you can make is into yourself, it's into your business, then assets like the stock market or Bitcoin, and then housing. You know, housing is a lifestyle thing. Yes, if you waited out five, ten years, you can make money in your house. Of course.

Nobody's denying that. But is it the best investment, in my opinion? No. And for the matter for young people, it's taking longer and longer and longer for all of life's milestones. Buying a house, having kids, getting married. It's all taking almost 10 years longer than it was a generation ago.

The average home buyer right now is 40 years old. A generation ago, the average home buyer was 28. So things are taking longer. Good things take time. Play the long time. Yeah, we got to stop acting like the owning a home is the number one asset for somebody in their life. Like it's like a retirement vehicle or it's like their end all be out because like it would be good for the most people if home prices went down. Like that is what should happen if we build more houses. So, you know, people are acting like it's going to be a national crisis when prices go down because that's like psychology's been built in, but that's like a bad way to think about it. Yeah.

I think there are certain markets that are going to be impacted more. Certain markets are not. I suggest looking, if you're comfortable moving, look into red cities, red states, pro-business, pro-friendly, no income tax, a place that you know others are going to move to. if it's in places that is blue state. The other day, I saw a clip of Gavin Newsom with Charlie Kirk, and he talked about how, hey, we have the, you know, and then Charlie kept saying,

we got the fifth largest economy in the world. And then Newsom says, I'm glad you know that. He said, but you've been losing a lot of people. He says, not last year. We got people coming in. He says, but the way you got people coming in last year was some illegal immigration, and Newsom was stuck. He didn't know what to say.

So if you take blue states, people are leaving a lot of these blue state, high regulation, slow speed on permits. And they're going to low regulation, red state with no taxes. Position yourself better where you know people are going to go there. Not only a place to raise your kids, not only a place where business is going to be attracted to go. If you go there, you know people are going to keep going their next 5, 10, 15, 20 years. And guess what supply and demand says? You're going to be fine with the property you buy.

Anyways, last call here. Dan, if you haven't been to his website, go visit this site. We're going to put it below, Rob, with all the details on his QLA program. Dan, it's great to finally have you here. We had a great conversation. You're a very, very interesting man. Thank you very much. All my stuff's free.

I don't sell anything. So just... There you go. And what's the website called? It's called Danpania.coma. com. We will put the link below. All stuff is free on his website.

You can go pick it up and learn. God bless everybody. We will do this again next week. We don't have a podcast Friday because of business planning workshop, but we will have a next Monday. But we do have a podcast that's going out tomorrow. you going out tomorrow with a with a very interesting rick allen ross who's a deep programmer of people that joined cult you have to watch it take everybody bye bye bye bye bye bye