PBD Podcast - Tulsi Gabbard Reveals How The Establishment Controls Presidential Candidates | Ep. 271 | Part 1

Episode Date: May 21, 2023

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I know this life meant for me. Yeah, why would you plan on the life when we got that day? Value payment, giving values, contagious disorder, entrepreneurs, we can't no value that hate it. I'd be running home, you look what I've become. I'm the under one. Yes, I do agree. Listen, we finally made it happen. We have the great Tulsi Gabbard in the house,

but let me first properly introduce her background so we can get into a bunch of topics here together. In 2002, at the age of 21, she was elected to Hawaii House of Representatives. That's 21 years old. In 2003, she enlisted in Hawaii's Army National Guard. She was deployed to Iraq 2004 and 5, stationed in Koei 2008 and 9,

as an Army Platoon Officer, Platoon Leader. While a Congresswoman, she served as a vice chair of DNC from 2013 to 2016. She was promoted to major in 2015, that's a big deal. She resigned to endorse, here we go, this is when it gets interesting, Bernie Sanders campaign for 2016, Democratic presidential nomination. While in Congress, she appeared on Fox

to regularly criticize and call her Barack Obama. She just wouldn't get aligned with the entire thing. So that was kind of concerning for the other side. In 2017, she was blacklisted by Azerbaijan for taking part in visit to Armenia and the disputed breakaway region of Nagorno-Rarabakh, which is populated and governed by Armenians. As an Armenian, this was a big deal.

She called the US Senate and President Donald Trump to officially recognize the mass killing of Armenian genocide as well as the Syrians and Greeks in 1915. 2020 she ended her presidential candidate and endorsed the sky name Joe, Joseph, I want to say Joseph Biden, we'll talk about that as well. And she's been a villain for Taka Carlson's show many, many times in October 2022. She announced that she had left a democratic party due to foreign policy differences as well as some other social issues. But nobody knows what party she's affiliated with.

Maybe she'll announce it today. Who knows? In 2020, the Security Service of Ukraine, this is a compliment, actually, placed her on a list of public figures, whom it alleges to promote Russian propaganda. Another lady also said that about your years ago, I think. The challenge is the following folks, depending on who your enemies are, this could be either deeply concerning

or deeply good for you. She no longer receives Christmas cards from Clintons and when she does, our handlers open it first before she does. Tulsi. You know what's funny though. What's that? You get Christmas cards from her? That cards from that be so I got a Christmas card from vice president Kamala Harris this last Christmas was pretty cool it was you know like

the mass produced show I was surprised that you sign it was a personal no matter how if she wrote a personal note to you what would that sound? That probably not full of aloha. I would guess. No hearts. No, nothing like that. It's great to finally be here. You kidding me. First of all, you know, I feel like we've spent a lot of time together as I watched you over the years. You're a rock star. You're amazing. You're one of the most necessary voices that we have. They get people who are trying to reason and think for themselves. People say there's another person like me out there, you being one of them, and we're grateful for that.

But today, we have a lot of issues to go through with you, a lot of things that's going on today. Politics, the Santas, yesterday, the F-16 approval of the pilots you can't be entrained, are you gonna give it to them, are you not to give it to them, we'll cover that. We'll talk about the military industrial complex. We'll talk about Durham report and a few other things. But before doing that, question for you.

If you and I were in 10th grade together, who was Tulsi Gabbard in high school? I'm curious. Very, very shy. Introvert. I'm the fourth of five kids. I've three older brothers and a younger sister. And by far amongst the kids in our family and certainly even in my circles, Tom Boy did martial arts, love surfing, hiking, sports, red voraciously,

but very, very shy at an introvert. So if you and I were in high school, I probably would not have spoken to you. Not because of you. That's it, that's it, that's why. Very, I would, my mom would send us to go to the grocery store and buy some bread or whatever. I would not want to speak to the clerk at the grocery store. I'd make my sister go, she is an extrovert.

I would make her. When they were full, they were full, they were full. So when did it flip? When were you like? You know what? I was so nervous because I was shy as well when did the flip have free time? I am, I mean, obviously I'm still introvert by nature.

But the, so you mentioned I ran for the state house and I was 21. It was very, very hard. The hardest thing about that was going and knocking on people's doors and starting those conversations to say, introduce myself and really asking for the opportunity to privilege to serve them. Every single door that I went to was a huge cause of anxiety, just because of that. Where it eventually turned actually was, I had served in the state house, I had deployed,

I had come back, I had served on the Honolulu City Council. When I was running for Congress, that I just had to take some time of introspection, just like, I am pursuing this path of service that I've committed my life to, and yet, they're the self-created hurdles of anxiety just because of that shyness. And I looked myself in the mirror and I was like,

what's your problem? I got a favor this out. And really just taking that time made me realize that all of those fears and insecurities, the causes of that anxiety were actually very selfish. Because I was thinking like, well, you know, I don't want to sound stupid. What if they asked me a question?

I don't know the answer to and I don't want to bother them. And the common word that came up I don't want to sound stupid. What if they ask me a question? I don't know the answer to. And I don't want to bother them. And the common word that came up as I was going through this was I and me. Like, well, that's a problem, especially as I had made this decision to pursue this path of service. And so that was where things changed. Where instead of walking into a room, something that would cause anxiety and anyone who's an introvert and shy, you can probably relate, was turned around when I realized like stop thinking about yourself, we'll see.

Go in this room and take the opportunity to connect with other people, to share a little with them, to smile. Have a nice conversation at a bare minimum. And once I shifted my focus on in that way, it changed everything. I love it, because when you, when we watch you on stage and Kamala goes after you, and then you go to back and forth when Kamala and Biden were going, Joe were going back and forth. And then you came in and boom, and in the comments about Hillary and what she said about you,

and everybody's wondering how you're gonna react and your reaction was even stronger than the way she did it. And then you see this person, you're like, this woman's got a poise, strength, courage, confidence is willing to stand up for herself. These are not qualities of somebody that's timid or shy. So it's great that that transition happened. The question was, you read a lot.

I think to to your point on that, it all, I mean, it is all rooted in a place of, of intentionally every day choosing to not put myself first, to the service above self. And so as attacks are coming or what are all of these other things that are happening, whether it was in the past or just the stuff that we're dealing with now on a daily basis, you talked about some of the things in your introduction. For me, recognizing it's not about me. So all this stuff is just like, I'm not in it for me. The attacks can roll off my shoulder and let me stay focused on my mission. How many politicians genuinely have that mindset where it's about service to others and helping the country, country first versus sort of being an egomaniac. I want to have power. I want to have notoriety.

Unfortunately, not very many, even though we hear these words very often coming from politicians, the actions tell another story. And this was one of the most disheartening things that I found when I was in Congress for eight years, was how many people in the House and the Senate, their whole identity is centered around this title. And so when that is their identity, and I've seen this with people who've left Congress and found themselves feeling very almost worthless or irrelevant because people aren't inviting them to things anymore.

People aren't asking them, hey, what's your opinion on this? And so for those who are there, you can see how they are willing to do whatever it takes to keep that position or to acclime to a higher position because unfortunately that's where they find their self. Is that one of the main reasons why there's no progress on turn limits in Congress? Just because the people voting for it just don't want to leave. I think that's one motivator. It's also one of the reasons why we see this endless search and ambition for just more power

and more control because ultimately what it comes down to, it is about them rather than saying, hey, and this applies to both political parties as well, they're well-being, they're means of existence rather than like, all right, guys, we have very real problems. How do we sit down and figure out how to solve these problems in a real and lasting way? And for those conversations, we're seeing some of them play out right now with a debt ceiling issue, but we see how these things just don't happen very often. Tell us, personal, your journey of going from,

hey, first, here, military, Hawaii, first here military Hawaii, then it's Bernie, then it's this, then it's major, then it's all this stuff. I'm a Lieutenant Colonel now. Lieutenant Colonel, really? Seriously, you got to update your profile. Yeah, I know, that's a big, good to be Lieutenant Colonel. I'm honored to be part of this, though, sir.

Well, I salute you, man, for being a Lieutenant Colonel. What was your highest ranking, man? Specialist, I crushed his guest for it. I did my two years come out. So you know, there's a real thing called the E4 Mafia in military. Oh, he's very familiar with that. And I was one of the leaders.

I was the senior leader at one time and they cannot be underestimated. No, and shout out to the E4 Mafia out there. I tell you, on a leader's bulletin, specialist party better than any other title of the criminalitarian. Say, no, what to do. OK.

So go back to this. The vulnerability of going through the evolution of where you're at politically and philosophically. That's not easy to do. Because in a way, we have to publicly put ourselves out there to either say, I was wrong about that belief at one point of my life or to say, listen, I'm still of the same belief.

You've changed. And just to affiliate myself with you, I can't do that anymore because this is ridiculous. And it's you've cornered me. You put in me in a bad place. But this is what I'm going to be doing moving forward. What's the journey of you evolving with your personal philosophies, whether it's foreign as a military person? Of course, that's something you have a lot of experience in.

Economically, as you advance in life and you're saying, okay, I'm noticing some of these policies don't make sense. Socially, you're seeing what's going on with trans, dill, and more, many of these things that you've been forced to kind of have to agree with us. What's that evolution been for you politically? Look, I think ultimately at its heart, it is about being willing to learn.

I mean, really, it's that simple. You know, the mindset and worldview and what I knew when I enlisted, you know, when I enlisted after, because of 9-11, like so many people, and then going and deploying into Iraq and having one thought about what we were doing there and why and what I later realized was a bag full of lies that was sold to the American people that a lot of us actually believed because we had leaders in both parties who were telling us, hey, this is true, this is necessary, this is important for America, it's important for the world. And then going there in that situation and being directly exposed to, you know, every day,

the military industrial complex, you know, in our camp, we had one of the big, we were at one of the bigger camps in Iraq, and KBR Halliburton was the contractor. Every single place in our camp from the port of parties to the little laundry connox, you know, they hired people from they pollen the Philippines to come and like, hey, you're going to do laundry for the troops. You drop off your clothes, they come back in a plastic bag, KBR Haliburton stamps on everything on our food. Every single thing that service that was provided in our camp came through KBR Haliburton. I just talked to a friend of mine who is on active duty, is deployed to Poland right now.

He said, guess who is providing all the services in our camp? KBR Haliburton. We started making friends with some of the people from the Philippines who were there and said, hey, how much are you getting paid? How often are you able to go home and visit your family in the Philippines? Very, very, very little pay. Knowing they're charging the US government and military, astronomical amounts of money to provide these services.

So, just one example of many of the exploitation that occurs especially during times of war, but also during times of peace from the military industrial complex who's making all the money, who is being exploited and and at what cost? So, you know, experiencing that, serving in a medical unit where every day I was confronted with the high human cost of war. day I was confronted with the high human cost of war. Though our brothers and sisters who paid the price either through injury or making that ultimate sacrifice,

these experiences hugely impacted me and caused me to go deeper to want to learn more about the foreign policy decisions that our country was making. Learning more over time about the unipart, the uniparty that is the war machine in Washington and the forces that be. So that's one example of many, but,

I guess intentionally having the humility to understand and know that I don't know everything and to continue to learn whether it's on foreign policy or domestic policy and keeping at the forefront, what's most important is not me standing here and saying I'm right at all. What's most important is trying to find the right answer in that mission of serving the American people in the interest of our country. But I think most reasonable Americans are you. So most people are going through that process as well But they they're cornered at feeling guilty if they're not loyal to a certain

Philosophy or losing friends or not being invited to parties or what or people are gonna say if I post as if I post that So Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden, you know, you endorse both of these guys at one point I like Bernie as a person. I actually believe Bernie more than I believe almost every one of the guys on the left. When I say I believe what his philosophies are, I think it's sincere. I don't think he's, of course, I'll call him out on the taxes and millionaires, not millionaires

and billionaires. The moment he became a millionaire, a billionaires and billionaires, you know, so it's like, you know, as long as you're not that, so there's a little bit of contradiction and evolution there for him as well. Yes. So for you, what appe long as you're not that. So there's a little bit of contradiction and evolution there for him as well. Yes.

So for you, what appealed to you with Bernie and then what was the situation with Joe, President Biden in 2020? So as you mentioned, I was vice chair of the DNC as we were headed into that 2016 election. It was starting to shape up to be a direct kind of face off between Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton, Bernie obviously shocked everybody with the massive momentum and grassroots support that he built the establishment Washington believing,

I mean, Hillary, she obviously is the establishment embodies the establishment, but they didn't believe that the power of the people could harness that energy to create a real competition, but it happened. I had every intention of remaining as vice chair of the DNC and trying to do my best as a neutral officer to ensure that as we went through the primary process,

that it would be fair. And truly neutral, which is actually the rules of the party, very quickly under Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who was the chair of the party at the time, I started to see that was not the case at all. She was making unilateral decisions, not only without consulting us as officers of the DNC, but actually we would find out about her decisions oftentimes

when they were released to the media or on social media. But seeing very blatantly how she was tilting the scales to favor Hillary Clinton and try to handicap Bernie Sanders, try to limit his exposure to voters through the debate process, implementing a rule that said, hey, any candidate that participates in a debate that is not sanctioned by the DNC will be banned from participating in all future DNC debates. How can they do that, though? How can she makes the rules?

Unilaterally. We were kind of talking about the last night, and your name came up last night where at the cigar lounge talking, what are the disadvantages? Now that you've been part of it, because you were a star among stars. You became a superstar where there was a time,

we talked about you every day on what you were doing. I'm talking politically when a new athlete comes out in the NBA or your football, you're like, oh look at this superstar, this guy's amazing, right, what they're doing. That was you. But then the conversation came about, she's not defending the establishment

and you need the establishment to make it. Now that you've been through this and you've been in that world, whether from the media side individually on the stage, you know, establishment going up against the Biden, going up against all these other guys, how much does a candidate need, the backing of the establishment to stand a chance of winning and to say, you do, but if you were to go and go up against

the establishment, these are the three things you need to stand a chance to win. What would you say to that? I have never had the establishments backing, not when I ran for state office or city council, or when I ran for Congress. I was never the obvious choice from a party or an establishment standpoint. And frankly, even had some people in the Hawaii Democratic party who were actively opposing my candidacy.

And so I was shocked when a couple of weeks after I was sworn in as a member of Congress, I got a call saying, do you want to be vice chair of the DNC? Like I had no insight into the establishment organizations. And literally my response was, I don't know, what does a vice chair of the DNC do? What are you really asking of me? But said yes, because I, okay, well, here's an opportunity to try to, to bring about some reforms that would actually ensure the democratic party is truly democratic

and listening and connected to the people. And perhaps a little too idealistic as I went through that, but really my eyes being opened into the fact that well, this party has actually become a party of elites serving the interests of the elites and not the interests of the people who they are supposed to be, whose cause they are supposed to be championing. And so back to your question, I resigned as vice chair of the DNC, specifically because of what was going on in that 2016 primary and specifically related to foreign policy.

Bernie and I don't agree on every issue, but on foreign policy, we had a situation in 2016 where Hillary Clinton was being touted as, excuse me, the most qualified candidate ever to run for president in the history of our country. All of the talking heads on television used that line almost every single day. And yet, they did not talk about what her record actually was.

The stream of destruction and war and toppled regimes and failed states and dead bodies that she left in her wake. They refused to have her even answer, you know, basic questions about that record. Not in debate stages, not in interviews. And frankly, Bernie Sanders wasn't even bringing it up that much. When in fact, that was one of the biggest differences. I mean, he has a largely non-interventionist

leaning foreign policy. I resigned as Vice-China DNC and endorsed him specifically on foreign policy to maximize whatever platform I could have to shine a light on that contrast, on that difference, and expose Hillary's foreign policy record and hold her accountable to it. About, can you be successful in politics without the establishment support? Yes, absolutely. Is it the easiest path? Is it the shortest path? No. But if your interest is in remaining committed

to the people of this country, or the people of your constituency, or of your district, that's where my focus has always been. And unfortunately, we are living in a time where the establishment interest is not the interest of the people. So if you want to go play the insider politics game, the establishment game, you'll go places, it comes at a very, very high cost.

Going up against them. It even comes at a high cost of personal compromise and a compromise of integrity if you choose to play that game. And yes, going up and challenging them is not just challenging the DNC or the Democratic party. It is also challenging all of their partners in the mainstream corporate media, challenging elements of the national security state

that they are weaponizing for their own interests, challenging their friends and partners in big tech and social media who are very willing to do their bidding. So it is this whole kind of cabal of elitism that benefits off of having people in positions of power that they can control. And that's where, as you said, people are talking about me a lot at one point, but once they realize, okay, she's not falling for the glitter and things that were dangling in front of her and she thinks for herself and speaks her own mind.

That's where the tables kind of started to turn and I stopped getting invited to the parties and the stuff that I know. You said it comes at a cost. Yeah. Being purchased by the establishment. What does that mean exactly? Like in terms of your credibility. I've seen it. I've seen it.

Yeah. I've seen it in Friends of Mine. People who came in with the best of intentions and maybe throughout still maintain the best of intentions and didn't really realize, you know, in the best sense of the word, didn't realize how, okay, well, I'll just do this in order to get this done or I'll just do that in order to get, I'll compromise this or that or whatever,

and not really realize that they were losing themselves in the process. And I've also know those who are very blatant about it, like, yeah, I will, in a very calculating way, do anything that is required in order to get myself to this position or this title or hold this, this amount of power. They're going to hold your hostage if you do that. Exactly. And I've seen it on the house floor during votes.

People being chased down. Now, if you, if you do that, if you play that game, they game They've got leverage over you vote for this or else if you don't support us We're gonna take away this money. So threatening in by absolutely. Okay, absolutely So so let's but let's stay on this so for example the the prop we had Whitney web here Yesterday or two days or three days some like that and we're with Whitney web here and She wrote a couple books going up against, you know, Epstein and a bunch of different legs and all these guys. She's very good at what she does.

And one of the questions I asked her, which has prompted a lot of discussion the last couple days is, so all these establishments, okay. Who is establishment? Like right now if we were to say, who's the chairman of the board of the establishment party? Of course, it's not a party.

Who would you say is the chairman of the board at the time? Hillary Clinton. Okay, you put her ahead of Obama. Oh, yeah. Oh, so she is still ahead of Obama for establishment. Who do you put on the board? Like if you were to say. Because you look at who was, who was, you know,

even though they were up against each other in 2008, I mean, you look at the people who populated the Obama administration, Hillary Clinton, being Secretary of State, and you look at the people who are populating the Biden administration, who's his National Security Council Director, Jake Sullivan, who is Hillary Clinton's right-hand guy. Got it. So you put her, so you don't, you don't subscribe to this mindset that Obama's really on a third term and he's running a country. That's not where you're at.

I think he is, I think he is playing a very impactful role, but Hillary Clinton spent decades still building that Clinton machine. So she's that is still very much. Okay. You think she still plays a role in the Biden administration? Yes. So here's a question. So here's a question.

Here's a question. So here's a question. Here's a question. So if that's the case to go up Is the goal in order for America to be free? To go up against establishment Expose them replace them with people that are statesmen and hold them accountable Would you say that should be one of American voters top goals? It is the essential objective. We're on the same page. So now this goes.

Can I add one little thing to that? Of course, sure. It is because you look at, and I talked a little bit about this in my talk yesterday, about when you look at the words that the founders used in our founding documents. We, the people, a self-governed nation, We are the ones who have the ability to make this change. It feels hopeless at times because of how much money and power and all of these machines that exist to maintain that status quo of power.

But ultimately, at the ballot box, we are the ones who have the power to make the kind of change you're talking about and hold these elected leaders accountable. And they need to be people of courage who have the backbone and the strength to completely clean out the administrative state, the bureaucrats who have their own agenda, and who are very willing to either undermine the direction and interests of the people that we elect, the President of the United States, and continue to thrive off of this corrupt revolving door that exists between special interests and those who are unelected, yet who are making the kinds of changes through

rules and regulations that should be done legislatively. Title IX is one example of this. Perfect. We're going the right direction. We're on the same page there. I agree with you. But I think, you know, the challenge then becomes the following. If you look at all the establishment and as well as some of these institutions that have made our lives horrible since November of, you know,

1963 till today. Let's go 63 till today, November 22nd assassination. John F. Kennedy, so I'm purely going November 1 1963 till today. Let's go 63 till today, November 22nd assassination. John F. Kennedy, some purely going November 1st till today. You can add FBI, CIA, you can put in there, DOJ, military industrial complex, you can, you know, Whitney talked about the big tech firms. She put IBM, but she put all the social media companies. She put Pritzker, the folks from Big Pharma, lobbyists, you said

fair, right? We went through all the, and the names, Clientine, Biden, you know, there were names from both sides left and the right. Okay. When you think about who in the last 60 years that has had the weight to go up against these guys, you have to look at who was hated the most by those institutions and organizations and establishment. Kennedy was hated by those guys because they were on their way to want to undermine them and another guy named Donald was, right? So obviously on two opposite sides,

one guy was a second amendment guy in 1963, John F. Kennedy, they were NRA card members. Today, I'm not sure he would have been a Democrat today. Maybe he would have been a libertarian independent, possibly a center-right type of a position he would have been today. But to go up against these guys, that a lot of people think they're evil.

When you look at, we'll go into this as well with the whole ESG, the ICI stuff, we'll go into that afterwards. But the person to go up against the establishment, how does the average voter be able to tell the difference in who that candidate is? Because whoever has the guts and the ability, and the willingness, and is a true believer to do that,

every institution's gonna pin them as a bad guy or bad girl. They're not going to market this person as a good candidate. They're going to have to do whatever they can to do character assassination. So how does the voter see between that massive character assassination and saying, but I think this is the guy or this is the guy that can do the job. How do we differentiate between the two? People's trust in the mainstream media has radically, radically, radically been reduced over time. I think it's probably at a historic low at this point.

People's trust in our public institutions has continued to drop. Why? Because we have been lied to and cheated and evidence has been shown how corrupt these entities have unfortunately become. So I think how do we know? I think the first question is if you have, you know, often the mainstream media, they end up parroting all of the same talking points when they're saying the very same thing about someone, like, oh, this is the best person who's ever come along.

They are gonna come and save the country. Me, I'd be like, oh, I don't know. I'm gonna dig deeper into that person. This seems kind of suspicious. And in my case, you know, I've, they parrot the same talking points and accusations and baseless smears against me. I have heard from people who are saying,

hey, I've heard them saying all this stuff about you, doesn't seem right, I want to learn more. So I think identifying the messenger and being able to see through that facade of lies, or it's not a facade of lies, they are actually lies, but seeing through that facade to recognize the truth, or at least the need to dig deeper to learn more, I think, is where we're moving in that direction. And I think we're also seeing evidence of this with people migrating more towards new media,

podcasts like yours, shows like yours, and others know, were they can actually gain real information and they know they're not being fed like a sound bite by sound bite, you know, a sheet of lies? What do you think about Trump or the census as a candidate? Tell me more, what do you mean? I mean, okay, so let's just say you are somebody that you're the Soros of the right, there isn't one, but let's just say you're the Soros of the right. There isn't one, but let's just say you're the Soros of the right.

The Soros of the left, he is helping these guys out in ways that if you're on the left, you have to send this guy a Valentine's Day card, it doesn't matter, Memorial Day card, he's never served but you gotta tell him thank you for your service if you're a Democrat, he's that guy, right? On the right, there's not really one there. They think they are, but they're not really there. They claim they want to make the investment.

They're not going to cut the check and buy vice and buy time-ex in and buy New York Times, or LA Times on Dubai Forbes, who was just on cell somebody else. They're just now willing to put the money there. They kind of want to go live in Palm Beach, have a nice place and be left alone and just kind of go have drinks and do whatever they want to do.

It's unfortunate because they're not fighters. Once they make their money, the Dems are more fighters and true believers. A lot of times, Republican billionaires talk more than they actually do the fighting. So, but let's just say you are that person, okay? And you're a center-right person with a lot of money and you have the ability to get behind a candidate

that's willing to fight against the establishment. Where would you put Trump to status or even others as a qualified candidate to go up against this task? It's gonna be an ugly one. Who would you say is the most qualified to do that, John? Um, I don't know. It's on a stancer. I don't know. It is honest answer. Um, I, I don't know enough about all the different people who are running.

Uh, Trump is obviously shown he, he has taken on both, you know, all, all of the establishments, you know, obviously the Democrats, the Republican party, the media. And I, I think that's one reason why a lot of people are drawn to him is, is, um, he says what a lot of people are thinking in some ways even if it's not nice to hear but is willing to kind of take on these machines that have been perceived to be too powerful to take on. I think I think Rhonda Santos has done that in some ways but I think it remains to be seen.

I think that's the beauty of this election process is that voters will have the time and the opportunity as they should, both for Republicans and Democrats and with the DNC's decision to not allow democratic voters to have that opportunity is truly offensive and disrespectful to voters. I saw what you tweeted yesterday about the whole with RFK. Well, let me, what are we talking about here?

You know, Jim Moore Joe's like, well, let's, we set the same thing RFK. Well, let me, but what are we talking about here? And so Jim or Joe's like, well, let's, we set the same thing to 2015. Yeah, but he was a candidate. And this is a different story because it's, you know, Joe Biden's ticking and he gets to choose and decide. And there's no way. Exactly. Yeah.

So, so I mean, just the message that comes through there with, with Simone Sanders saying that by she used to be Bernie Sanders communications director back during the 2016 campaign. And the fact that she said, I think the beginning that she said, I'm trying to keep myself from laughing at Joe's question about why, you know, why aren't there going to be debates? Or are there going to be debates? Like they really think it's a joke. And that's the thing.

This is Joe Scarborough or Joe Scarborough. Joe Scarborough asking the question. Who was he asking? He was asking. You canborough asking the question. Who was he asking? He was asking. You can just play to play. Democratic side, Bobby Kennedy Jr. Doing well, he's at 19%. Hasn't really gotten that much out there.

I mean, it's, and I'm starting to hear more and more talk about him. Are we gonna actually have a challenge here? I'm trying not to laugh, Joe. There's not going to be- Can I stop you first? I have. Do you know how many people said the same thing about Donald Trump in 2015? Yeah, exactly.

And he's saying the same exact thing. Yes, because there was going to be a Republican primary. But I really think that the million-mouth Democrats, as I like to call them, and some of my progressive friends who would like to live in a fantasy land, they need to come back to reality. And the reality is this, the sitting president of the United States of America is a Democrat, a Democrat that would like to run for reelection so much so that he is declared a reelection campaign.

In that case, the Democratic National Committee will not facilitate a primary process. There will be no debate stage for Bobby Kennedy, Marine Williamson or anyone else to say. So we're going to have another Bob and Kennedy in an empty chair in the debate, right? There will be no debate. No debate, you know. No committee. No committee administers the debates and they're not going to set up a primary process for debates to, for someone to challenge the head of the Democratic Party.

So here's what I hope Bobby Kennedy does is goes to you guys, goes to Joe Rogan, goes to multiple people who have platforms and say, will you host a debate invite Joe Biden, invite Mary Ann Williamson and let him not show up. There, the key was there. She says they have to come to reality. And what is the reality? That the DNC believes that they are the arbiters of democracy. And they will decide if there's no debate, then there will be no debates.

Well guess what? There's a whole country out here that's actually interested. The fact that Bobby Kennedy is what, I think he's north of 20%. Now, he hasn't even been in a campaign for a month at this point. The fact that Joe Biden has such low approval, they're less than 30% of Democrats who want him to run. And yet, they're saying there will be no debate because of the DNC. There's a lot of folks out there who would like to hear more and learn more.

And I hope that Bobby Kennedy creates that opportunity and invites Joe Biden to show up. I think that's a brilliant idea. I think we might want to implement that strategy, Pat. Question for you, Tulsi. I mean, I think it's disgusting that they're just kind of hiding Joe Biden in a basement. It's almost sort of like a weekend at Bernie's type of thing. They're just going to string them out there. But at the same time, if you look at the Republican primary,

Trump has in so many words said that he probably won't even show up to the RNC debates. Do you think Trump should, you know, man up and debate the same? I think it's the matter of manning up. I mean, I, you know, Trump just did this CNN town hall that, I don't know that DeSantis would agree to do a CNN I don't know. Maybe he would maybe he wouldn't but

For every debate that I've seen Trump has done very well Oh, no, so I don't I don't have a matter of Yeah, but no, I mean I think I think that I Think that he would probably do well and I think the voters would appreciate being able to have candidates there on the stage. Obviously, it's up to him and he'll make a decision, but I think it would send a strong statement.

Is it fair to say, you know, 2016, you were Bernie, 2020 Biden, you endorsed Biden, if it were Trump Biden again in 2024, how likely is it that you would vote for Trump this time around? I will not be supporting Joe Biden under any circumstances. You know, what happened in 2016 or 2020 rather at that point

was, you know, the race on the Democratic primary side had virtually been decided. And I've known Joe Biden for a long time. And I felt that he, the Joe Biden I knew was a good-hearted man who had the best of intentions for the country. And so I had hoped that he would listen to his better angels and provide the kind of leadership

that our country needed. Unfortunately, he has proven that to be wrong. I mean, that hope unfortunately never came about and I think obviously he is the president, he is responsible, he is accountable, the people he has surrounded himself with are more divisive, more destructive, are pushed us to the brink of World War III and nuclear war from a domestic policy and a foreign policy standpoint have been, have

had a destructive effect on our country that I'm concerned if they were to continue and be reelected, it would take us to a place that perhaps you could not come back from, number one and number two, before long we would have a president, Kamala Harris as Commander in Chief, which I and others who wear the uniform find to be scary beyond belief.

What would a Kamer's administration look like if she's you know if joe biann is incapable of leading at some point you know that's a concern or if she's actually been elected dole uh... what do you think that administration has a lot of from it from a again the most important responsibility that the president has is to serve as

commander in chief that is the sole job that only the president has is to serve as commander in chief. That is the sole job that only the president has, that Congress does not weigh in on. You know, presidential candidates talk a lot about education and immigration. All these other policies, well, you can't get anything done unless you work with Congress to get them to pass legislation. The foreign policy decisions that the commander

in chief makes are decisions that that person alone makes. Kamala Harris is completely unqualified and lacks not only the knowledge and experience, but the temperament to serve in that position. And what's dangerous about that is number one, she will be manipulated by the military industrial complex, by people who have a lot of stars on their shoulders from the Pentagon who would like to see us continue to be in a state of war for a number of reasons rather than to pursue peace and diplomacy. And as we've seen with others in the past, she would feel as though she needs to project strength. It's the most dangerous thing to have a weak person feel like they need to project strength and have the US military at their fingertips to do strength. It's the most dangerous thing to have a weak person feel

like they need to project strength and have the US military at their fingertips to do that. If you could only vote for Joe Biden or Kamala Harris, who would have your vote? Oh my gosh, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, that's like a ridiculous hypothesis. Well, I mean, it's not that ridiculous. We're kind of in that world right now.

I would do everything possible to make her a better, but that would not be good. But that's not, that's not the question of, you asked the right question a minute ago, between the two and she gave the answer that she won't be voting for, Biden. So which means it's anything but a Biden Kamala because her concern is Kamala.

And many people are on the same page with that. Kamala just doesn't give vibes of a VP, let alone a comment or achieve. That's a scary side for her to sit there negotiating with Putin or G. Yeah. Oh my god I mean, that's the first place I go to I go sit there and say who the most top 10 biggest power players or leaders in the world Who do you want sitting there negotiating on your behalf without you being there with cameras off? Yeah, I do not want her negotiating on my behalf I'll just I'll just add one thing to what you said

I think it's important. I don thought. I'll just add one thing to what you said. I think it's important. I don't believe it's anybody but Joe Biden. I don't take that approach to anyone because we have some Republicans who hold the exact same foreign policies as a Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden. And so I think that's where it's important for us as we go through this process to be able to look at each candidate and not just go off of like,

okay, Republican, good Democrat, bad Democrat, good Republican, bad, because again, we look at the war machine, we look at permanent Washington, we see people who may look a little different, may come from different parties, may say slightly different things, but at their core, their message,

they will perpetuate the same corrupt status quo. So here's a question for you. I like to play the game. I'm with Shaq and I ask Shaq, that's a Shaq. Starting lineup, you got first draft pick, I got second, number one, who do you pick? I got Michael, I got this, I got that, I got this. And we're putting a team together to see who wins, right?

Draft pick. Give me your top three draft picks on presidential candidates that are the most qualified to fight against the establishment and have a fighting chance of winning or maybe making progress. Purely draft pick. Who would some of those names be for you? I think it's too soon to tell. That's not too soon. I think you're dodging the question. A little bit. A little bit. But here's what I'm saying.

I am. I am. Mostly because then somebody's going to say, well, I'm endorsing Canada for president. So here's what I would do. Then here's what I would do. Then here's what I would do. Then forget about top three. Don't rank them.

Okay. Give names. And you don't have to give them an order. Okay. You know what I'm saying? And I'm being serious with'm being serious with what I'm like. I'm not looking for an endorsement. I know you're not, but that's how these things will be interpreted. But, but but if you look at it right now, like, okay, let's we were with the Santas a week ago at the governor's mansion, 1015 of us spent five hours together with, you know, self KC, you know, others and watching to see how he is behind closed doors.

And what messaging and all this stuff is being given. We've already publicly announced, we'll do a fundraiser at the house for Biden, for Trump, for DeSantis. Come do a fundraiser. We'll bring top 20 of the biggest influencers. It brings Bobby in too. We would gladly bring Bobby into.

Bobby we're talking right now about doing a podcast with him. I think June 28th we're doing a live podcast with a couple hundred people with Vivek. I would love to get him Mary and Williamson to maybe debate him and see what that setting will look like because if they're not going to we're going to get him 10, 20, 50 million eyeballs. We'll get the eyeballs. So this is not a time for these guys to play big shot. Think and those guys are not going to get the eyeballs anymore.

But I'm sincerely asking you as somebody that I believe you love America. I firmly believe you love America and I firmly believe a lot of people relate to you. And I know the, I've been around business for 20 some years. I know how to dodge questions professionally because you have to do that when you're negotiating, et cetera, et cetera. I'm not trying to corner you. Just give me names and why. I think this, for example, RFK, here's why.

The Santis, here's whoever it would be. What would some of those names be? Here's what I'll tell you because, you know, I, Rhonda Santis and I served together in Congress, but to be quite honest, I don't know him very well. So what I know of him is what I have seen mostly publicly, but I haven't had a chance to sit in the room as you have to actually really get to know him both as a person, but also really to get into some of the more national issues to include foreign policy that would inform my ability to answer your question. What I will say is that people like Nikki Haley,

Mike Pence, Mike Pompeo, Chris Christie, we're seeing Governor Asa Hutchinson, they are all part of the permanent establishment machine, whose foreign policy would be very, very, if not exactly the same, mostly the same as a Hillary Clinton war hawk. So those are the kinds of things that I have picked up on that I'm looking for as these other candidates

are out there and they're talking about their positions on issues. And unfortunately, as is always the case, I mean, you know, even though being commander in chief is the president's most important and foremost responsibility, the focus on what kinds of decisions they would make as commander in chief don't often come up in debates or in forums. And a lot of these presidential candidates don't choose to talk about them. So I'm hoping as you guys have your forums that that's something that you would help shine

a light on because it is literally a matter of life and death to know what are the kinds of decisions these people would make. Are they going to put us closer to nuclear war with other nuclear arm countries or not because that the future of humanity is on the line? Totally respect the fact that if you haven't, you're not prepared to make any endorsements and if you've never really sat down with DeSantis

and it's kind of hard to acknowledge all that. But at the same time in 2020, you did share the stage with a host of Democrats, Bernie, Biden, Amy Klobuchar, Elizabeth Warren, Andrew Yang. He's been on the platform before, Cory Booker, Maryann, Williamson, Beto, the list goes on. Of all those names, who do you think you most closely align with or would be a good leader?

How about that? I mean, these are people you know. Sure. Who did you get along with, even on a personal level? Who do you think would be a good leader of that group? My answer today would probably be different than it was back then, largely because with everything that we've gone through since 20, like I feel like we've almost lived a lifetime from 2020 till now in 20. It was this little thing called code. Yeah, COVID. I mean, just changed the world a little bit. The little thing called COVID,

frankly, the proxy war with Russia via Ukraine. I mean, a lot of people's lack of courage unfortunately has been exposed. The fact that not a single Democrat, not a single Democrat has voted against, you know, remember that first $40 billion dollar round of funding to go that kind of brought in the United States involvement in this war against Russia. Not a single Democrat voted against it.

I think there were between the House and Senate something like 60 or 70 Republicans who voted against, but not a single Democrat had the courage to even just say, let's not rush into this. Let's actually think about what are the second, third, fourth order of consequences that voted against, but not a single Democrat had the courage to even just say, let's not rush into this. Let's actually think about what are the second, third, fourth order of consequences that could occur once we bring ourselves into this. What happens when we start to turn on the tap at what point do we turn it off? The progressive caucus in, I think it was November of last year. If you remember, they sent this 30 members of Congress, sent a letter to Joe Biden saying,

please exercise diplomacy to negotiate an end to this war because if it goes on, it will not only continue to create more suffering and death for the people of Ukraine, but it increases the risk of nuclear war. It will increase the negative impacts on our economy, on inflation, on hunger and all of these things that are facts that are very real costs of this war. They sent the letter one day within 24 hours. They retracted it. They retracted it.

It was some bullshit excuse like, oh, a staffer sent out a letter without our approval, which is nonsense. Absolute nonsense. We know what happened. They sent out a letter saying how they actually felt and they got, they, they, they, they got the hammer laid down on them and unfortunately didn't have the courage to say no. This is bigger than party politics. We as Democrats, they as Democrats should have the courage to call out your own president.

And I would say the same thing for Republicans. So, you know, it is, I have been really disappointed on a foreign policy perspective, but also with, you know, men going into girls locker rooms and exposing themselves all in, and this being okay in the name of this trans ideology and and and pervasive acceptance of something that that is just Dangerous and and fantasy this gender ideology title like all of these things that are so obvious in common sense that most people see They're there. I can't think of a single elected Democrat in the House or the Senate a lot of the names that you've mentioned Who's stood up and just said, you know, what the kid says, right?

Hey, guys, the emperor has no clothes on. Let's just all admit that. It's not happening, and it's really unfortunate, and it's not reflective of where I believe most Democrats are in the country. So none of those names, no one that you shared a stage with, you would look back and be like, that person is actually qualified, that person is good. They've all been dismissed from class. Okay, so to finalize this before we move off this topic, I got seven more questions for

you on this topic. Let me ask this. So again, your voice, whether you know it or not, I'm sure you know it, carries weight and people watch to see what you have to say. And so think about it from this standpoint. The audience is watching, this is going to get a few million views, say total 40 million views, short clips, TikTok, Instagram, people watch you.

Who should they study more closely and do the research you did? If you were to say, I think like you just made a comment and you said Hey, I've never spent a time with the Santas and by the way You're not the only person that's ever said that a lot of people have said that that they haven't spent a lot of time with the Santa so he's not the guy that wants to be in the group setting like when you came in here You and I have never met each other before but we greeted each other with a hug. Hey, how you doing? You have that I have never met each other before, but we greeted each other with a hug, hey, how you doing?

You have that feeling of warmth and conversation, great. You know, this is somebody that's likable, a charm, charismatic. People have never really said that about him. They've said he's sharp, he's a doer, he's an executive, all this stuff. But who's worthy of the American people on their own going and investigating

and watching closely? What would you say? I think every one of these candidates that's taken the step to run. You know, Tim Scott, as somebody I know, I like him a lot. He's a great person. I'm interested in learning more about what his positions are on specific issues. Vivek, same thing. He and I have had a few conversations, great conversations.

I like a lot of the things that he's saying. Also have a lot of questions. I think going, you know, obviously, Trump is more well-known. He's got a record. The Santos has a record here as governor of the state, but also his record, you know, before that. In Congress, I think it is very important. This election, the importance of this election can be overstated. And so, I don't, I think it, I. And so I think as Bobby Kennedy has gone, people are getting to know him better. I'm really not dying to know. They do say that in some important way.

Last question, but I think this one actually is. And I've never seen that ever again. No, but let me tell you why I think this one actually is. I'll tell you why I think this one actually is. And I'm gonna come back to my question on the last one before I wrap up. Seven more. It's only one question. And I why I think this one actually is. And I'm gonna come back to my question on the last one before I wrap up. Seven more. It's only one question.

And I hope she gives this one because I need your counsel. I need your help sincerely. I need your help. Here's why I think this one is. And I think this is the problem. You know the difference between a democracy and a republic. There's a big difference.

A republic, the individual is protected from the majority. It's very important where the individual is protected from the majority. It's very important where the individual is protected from the majority. Right now, in every community, there's issues that goes on. In some communities, hey, H-O-A is this much money for every person that lives in this community? But it's not fair to people that own more land should pay bigger H-O-A than we're paying. That's kind of like one of the things that's going on right now. Okay, great. You want to do that?

Yes, you should pay three times because you want the biggest lot and you have the most land here. No problem. Then I should also have the equivalent amount of votes for the amount of lots I'm paying for. So I should get three votes. You should get one vote. Let's talk about that.

I'm okay with that. I got three votes. Your vote is one. No, no, no, no. We didn't say that. No shit. You didn't say that because now you know, you can't bully the individuals. So I'm an individual, I want to be protected.

I think this next one is very important because if they flip Texas and that flips, you know, you're talking about having a democratic president for the next 20 years. And if this election thing doesn't go into the blockchain technology where you and I can vote from home and you simply do a camera like this, whatever the same we do with your phone, and they show your ID. This is me. You say a couple things. They recorded. They know it's you. Then you put your name. Great. This person voted. You don't even have to get off your, you know,

the couch to go there. And that's a real vote. We have that ability to push for voting to become real. I think if we don't do it this time around, this is gonna change a lot of things, but I'm gonna go to the last question for you. So help me with this. Help me. Help me help America. Help me, I'm a group. Help me, help me help America.

So if I'm sitting with Vivek, I'll give you four names. Vivek, the Santis, President Trump, and let's put in RFK, those four names. Vivek, the Santis, President Trump, and let's put in RFK, those four names. Give me one question, I should ask all of those four. Individual could be different. So I would ask Vivek this question, I would ask Trump this question, I would ask the Santis this question, and I would ask RFK this question. What would the number one question be that you'd want me to ask on behalf of the American people of these four folks? It would be

What is the first thing that you will do to Take your notes to deescalate tensions with nuclear-armed powers in the world and prevent the likelihood of nuclear war. We are on the brink. We are. That's a fact. Ask them directly. What steps will you take?

Ask them directly. What steps will you take?