PBD Podcast - Welcome Tom Zenner | PBD Podcast | EP 8

Starting point is 00:00:00 All right with the right intro by the way with a new guest with us today a new friend a good friend From Chicago Bulls Tom Xenner who's been on TV for many many years used to interview Michael Jordan Tom It's good to have you on with us. Hey guys. First of all congrats on this podcast Yes, it's I've watched it for so long now. I'm on it. So thank you for the invite. I'm really happy to be here I'm excited. Yes, we're looking forward to it and I know Thomas got some strong opinions If you grew up in Chicago, you know the face you know some of us never had a chance to watch Michael play

Starting point is 00:00:33 You ever got a chance to watch Michael play or no back in the day when he came down to my He was he had a chance to do more than just watch him. You would hear this enjoy he had a chance to do more than just watch him. And you would hear this in joy. And now, you started on the Chicago Bulls. Well, first let me tell you what topics we got. And then maybe we can go into a story with that. So we got a pretty jam-packed episode today. We haven't done a podcast, I think, since last,

Starting point is 00:00:57 not a fact, no, it's been over a week because last week was convention week. That's true. We had 16,000 of our agents. We did our first virtual annual convention with a general Mattis with Tray Gowdy and with Pitbull, which he crushed it by the way. And we are back. We are back to be on with you. Here's the topics of the day. I got an email from Goldman Sachs. And this email from Goldman Sachs is going to talk about taxes, and it talks about

Starting point is 00:01:23 Biden's tax plan. Let me put it to you this way. When I shared this email with our buddy, Adam, Adam immediately said there's no way that's true. He went into verifying all the stats and the numbers. He could not believe what the new tax plan of Biden is. We're going to talk about it today. Email that was sent to investors at Goldman. We'll talk about that.

Starting point is 00:01:45 Then we'll talk about what happened with the founder of Zoom's CEO yesterday. His network had a pretty good day couple of days ago. He's getting his name before. Yeah, that's right. Now you do, when you make $6.6 billion in a day. The most anonymous billionaire in the history of this planet.

Starting point is 00:01:59 Crazy. I'm more of a crazy. I still can tell you his name. Yeah, crazyness. And then we'll go into Amazon drone program, which is ready to lift off and it's pretty crazy What they're doing Delta in American made a big announcement after what united did Biden a record breaking campaign Which that's a big victory for Adam Adams predicting that for a while a little glitch with COVID cases Coming from CDC Nancy Pelosi who goes through the same

Starting point is 00:02:27 her salon as I think Adam's been there a couple of times before. And we let me in these days. They got it. Wow. Little scandals there. And in a Senate bill, California, last but not least, again, we got more topics, but we may even talk about, I don't know if you guys heard about that. You know, we've all done sales before.

Starting point is 00:02:43 You're a top salesperson in your company. It's a big deal. Yes. You've done sales, we've all done sales before. You're a top sales person in your company. It's a big deal. You've done sales for why you've done sales before. I've never, the stats I saw, you all announced their sales person of the year. Get out of here. They have over 10,000 sales people on the list. You all announced their greatest sales person of the year.

Starting point is 00:03:02 They have never seen a better salesperson than this. Let me hear this. I wanted to hear the scripts. I wanted to know how you overcame objections. Right. I wanted to know what people say when it says pricing. I wanted to know what the strategy was for you halls, greatest salesperson of all time.

Starting point is 00:03:17 How do you get so many people to buy you halls? How do you do it? I mean, there's gotta be a strategy to it. Years ago, there was a book called Had a Master of Art of Selling by Tom Hopkins. And Tom Hopkins was known for selling 366 homes in a year. That's one a day.

Starting point is 00:03:32 So he wrote a book about it. He, this man ought to write a book about it. Well, think about the skill in selling U-Haul because how do you convince someone to drive somewhere 300 or 400 or 500 miles with just AM radio and no air conditioning? Have you been in a U-Haul lately? They are the most not the most exciting place in the world, right?

Starting point is 00:03:48 It's not got the windows that go down like, I mean, you got to be a master. You can't listen to podcasts. No, no, no, no. You can't do any of that stuff. I got to hear what's going on with the U-Haul. I'm gonna make a bureau. So U-Haul salesperson of the year goes to, can you please put the picture up? So everybody can see.

Starting point is 00:04:04 Oh, wow. Governor Newsom. So first of all we have a newsome we got a record he record breaking shadow i mean let me just give you some stats here on uh what our friend here in california is doing to everybody who's in california shout out to your governor just an incredible type of a governor who is able to do great things with you hall. Because here's a numbers for you hall, just so everybody knows. The cost to rent a 26-foot you hall truck, big enough to move a three to four bedroom home out of San Francisco,

Starting point is 00:04:36 headed to Las Vegas, reached as high as $2,085 for four days. OK, you hall. The same truck to rent to go in the opposite direction, $132. Let me say this one more time. 2085, to go from San Francisco to Vegas, but $132 to go from Vegas to San Francisco. Tom, you're from California.

Starting point is 00:05:01 Why do you think this has happened? Well, you normally live in California. I live in LA, you know, it's what a strong picture of. You really do. Very, very, very, very, very, very, very powerful. It looks like a sales guy. It looks like a legit sales guy. It's hard to say no to that guy. You know, it's legit. It's real. I live in Los Angeles.

Starting point is 00:05:16 You know, the only good thing about this for people leaving California is there's no traffic. Right? With the pandemic, there's no traffic in LA. You can get out of there even quicker right now. I have a good friend who's one of the top real estate agents in Phoenix. He says there's no traffic in LA. You can get out of there even quicker right now. I have a good friend who's one of the top real estate agents in Phoenix. He says there's no inventory. So many people are moving to Phoenix.

Starting point is 00:05:29 I heard a stat. I don't know if it's true. They swore by it. I heard one out of eight people that are moving are moving to Maricopa County in Arizona. I mean, so there's an influx of people that are actually leaving. It's true.

Starting point is 00:05:40 It's real. And you know what? Here's the sad thing. He's going to be employed a month for a few months in a row because it's a tip of the iceberg. I mean, it could get worse. If the election goes a certain way, there's going to be more people leaving California than there are now. So it's a real deal. I mean, he has earned that status. He is single-handedly responsible for people leaving California. What do you, what do you, congratulations together news? I actually have a more of a question. I have a couple questions. I've never lived in California. I've done some summers there.

Starting point is 00:06:05 I want to know, you're from California. I mean, obviously V.A. Ran, you've lived in California for six years now, you went to college there. So here's my question to both you. What are the chances you would move back to California? And what are the chances you would move out of California? So the U-Haul, you know, crossroads right here. What are the chances you would move back to California. So the U-Haul, you know, crossroads right here. What are the chances you would move back to California

Starting point is 00:06:26 with the current climate right now? I would say slim to none on my end. So you got to realize seven months ago we were thinking about going back to California as one of the spots and it was at the top of our list because I lived there for 24 years, right? Outside of the army. But the way the politics are right now,

Starting point is 00:06:40 the my dad lives in a small city called Grenada Hills. Okay, I lived in Grenada Hills for eight years. Grenada Hills, nice place, it's got a nice park, decent community, nothing crazy. It's definitely not high, it's not low, it's right in the middle of where it's at. I like the sound of that. Yes, and I lived there for eight years and the other day, my dad sends me a video of outside where he lives, the park. There are hundreds of homeless people laying out outside of his house.

Starting point is 00:07:08 I said, I've never seen this before. I don't even know what he says, Pat, this just happened last year, year and a half. I said, what do you mean? He sent me to video, I'm saying people laying out all on the side. I'm not talking one family, two, full on tents set up. I've never seen this before. I mean, what's happening right now over there, it's quite scary.

Starting point is 00:07:26 I mean, they came out with a new Senate bill that just got passed, you know, a couple days ago, which we can talk about here in a minute, but yeah, it'd be very hard for me to go back to. You're not going back. Pat, you couldn't afford to go back there. Literally, it would make such, it would be no financial sense.

Starting point is 00:07:39 You've been there for six years. Well, it breaks my heart. I mean, I love California. You know, I grew up in Minnesota in a small town, 700 people. On a dirt road, literally. Very rural. I just wanted to get to California. That was the dream.

Starting point is 00:07:51 I'm sure Pat had that dream. I did too. Growing up in Minnesota, I went to college. I did everything I could to get to go to college. I got a football scholarship. I said, the first school in California that gives me a scholarship, I'm going. I went there, basically didn't know anybody's sight on scene. I just wanted to get to California.

Starting point is 00:08:04 It kind of, it breaks my heart to see what's happening. You mentioned the homeless situation where your dad knows. I always kept saying, okay, we know it's bad in downtown LA. And when I say it's bad, it's unbelievable. If you get rerouted, if you're driving around LA and you have to go through downtown, it blows your mind. I mean, just to see the encampments everywhere and to think that leaders don't care or this, this isn't a problem. How do you just allow the encampments to continue to move west, which is what happens? Okay, so I kept saying, what happens if they get to Brentwood? They're in Brentwood, all along Santa Centeno.

Starting point is 00:08:35 I mean, there are tents everywhere you look. What if they get into Beverly Hills? You know, it's just, there's no stopping it. I love in Manhattan Beach, a very nice beach city, you know, in the South. Beautiful city. Yeah, and you got, it's like a, it's like there's no stopping it. I live in Manhattan Beach, a very nice beach city, you know, in the South. Beautiful city. Yeah, and it's like a slow motion movie. You just sense change and you almost feel it.

Starting point is 00:08:53 It's little by little, but you do sense it's different. I get how people, if they have the opportunity, if they're leases up, if they can sell their house, because real estate is still hot in Southern California. So people can make money on selling their house, but they are bailing and droves. And the other thing too is, you know, you live in Los Angeles, we have, you know, friends of all political background,

Starting point is 00:09:11 but mainly democratic and liberal. But you just hear differences in the conversations right now, the way people are talking. So who knows, he's earned the status of employee of the month for you hall. I bet you hall really is, it's gonna be like Zoom. When we see their earnings here, we're gonna be like zoom when we see their earnings here. We're gonna be billionaire.

Starting point is 00:09:26 They gotta send a check. They gotta send them a check to say, thank you so much, governor Newsom, for being a top salesman of the month for us back to back to back, just a legendary salesperson of you hall. But if you don't put that on his resume, he should. He depends on what job he's applying for. He depends on what job he's applying for

Starting point is 00:09:42 after being a governor. So, you know, you showed something earlier, you said, this is why I love Florida, in Florida, politics is not as ugly as you're saying it is in some other states. How is politics in Florida? Well, you're about to find out, sir. Well, you tell us how you've been there for a while. Look, Florida is sort of like a mirror of the United States.

Starting point is 00:10:02 You've got North Florida, which is, I went to college in North Florida, Florida State, which is a little, you know, it's basically the South, you know, it's just South Alabama, South Mississippi, South Georgia, cool. You've got middle of Florida, Orlando, family, fun, kids, that kind of a vibe. You've got, you know, retirement communities, you've got, and then you come down to Miami,

Starting point is 00:10:23 you have the Latino community, you have the Haitian community, you've got South American community, you've got, and then you come down to Miami, you have the Latino community, you have the Haitian community, you've got South American community, you've got the Jewish community, it's really just sort of like a mirror, an image of what the United States is, and politics is not that ugly in Florida. That's why every year, the frickin' election hinges on Florida.

Starting point is 00:10:40 They are a little bit more, you know, liberal these days, they're a little more conservative these days. We have Republican senators, we've got Republican governors, we've got Democratic governors, it's not as ugly, it's not as divisive. So that's why when I hear things about California, I'm like more inquisitive, like what the is going on in California? Well, you should do a project for your life and go and live in San Francisco for five years.

Starting point is 00:11:03 Yeah, well, I'd live there for five days. And how was it? And I took my girlfriend there, she wanted to leave in the first day. Yeah, well, I'd live there for five days. And how was it? And I took my girlfriend there, she wanted to leave in the first day. Which good. I had to convince her. One of your girlfriends, you took five days to tell us. Tell us how it was.

Starting point is 00:11:12 Five days you went to San Diego. So we did a, we started in San Diego. I did this trip every year for the last, you know, six, seven, eight years. But you used to do it with like the homies, but now I took my girl. We started in San Diego. We went to LA. We stayed in LA. We did the up the coast

Starting point is 00:11:28 What's the coast I'm thinking of what's it called the one that you see? H. Yeah, all that Palm Elm on the right. We did what's the Big Sir. Yeah, big sir. So we're building up and we were flying back from San Francisco to Miami So we're like, oh my god. We're so excited. We'd never been to San Francisco We had recently been in New York. I like it's kind of like the West Coast New York. We're excited. We're excited. We're excited. We get there. We check into our hotel. The hotel was a little bit. They weren't ready for us. We had this room, whatever point is we say, hey, look, while you're

Starting point is 00:11:55 getting ready for a room, we're going to take a walk out on the streets. They said, hey, do us a favor. Don't go that way. They told you. Don't go that way because this is 10 o'clock at night on a Wednesday. Don't go towards Union Station Union Square. Don't go that way. They told you don't go that way because this is 10 o'clock at night on a Wednesday Don't go towards Union station in square. Don't go that way. Go that way. That's a little bit more fun So we go that away. I swear to God within an hour. She's like get me the fuck out of here This is the most disgusting place I've ever been Pup up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up whatever, let's check into the hotel, let's, you know, we'll figure out. The next day, I went and I returned the rental car that we were using. And literally, call the girls, like, we're staying. I found Fisherman's Wharf. It's cool. It's cool down here.

Starting point is 00:12:33 Tourist the area. There's walruses, there's seals. What have you? It was nice. We ended up having a couple, you know, three, four days that were nice. But that first day in San Francisco was the same thing. Well, it's shocking because you think, San Francisco, you have this preconceived notion. It's beautiful. It's on the coast great skyline clouds I mean just beautiful and then you get there and it hits you in the face and you see it and you smell it That's the other thing about when you go to San Francisco right now. I mean it's real. It's palpipal I mean There's no question and it's a tragedy. It's just it's unbelievable. Is it great? America is it economy?

Starting point is 00:13:05 Is it politics? It's politics. 100% politics. Of course it is. It's 1000% politics. Politics determines that not every city in America is like that. Why San Francisco like that? You know, and by the way, I don't know if you guys heard or not.

Starting point is 00:13:17 One of the salons was open this week. Oh, Salon, I usually go to the other. One of the salons was open this week. And one of your good friends, friends Nancy Pelosi went to the salon She called me for the hook up Hey, can we see this video of Nancy Pelosi going to the salon. I mean honestly Kai's been up in his game with videos lately Look at that

Starting point is 00:13:41 That's Nancy Pelosi watch your step good Good for her. She didn't fall in the mask on. She didn't fall in the mask on. She didn't fall in the mask on. She didn't fall in the mask on. She didn't fall in the mask on. She didn't fall in the mask on.

Starting point is 00:13:52 She didn't fall in the mask on. She didn't fall in the mask on. She didn't fall in the mask on. She didn't fall in the mask on. She didn't fall in the mask on. She didn't fall in the mask on. She didn't fall in the mask on. She didn't fall in the mask on. She didn't fall in the mask on.

Starting point is 00:14:00 She didn't fall in the mask on. She didn't fall in the mask on. She didn't fall in the mask on. She didn't fall in the mask on. She didn't fall in the mask on. She didn't fall in the mask on. She didn't fall in the mask on. How irresponsible to not put a mask on at me more. Because in California, they'll give you a fine if you don't have one on. I mean, they're constantly in your face that you, like walk across the street.

Starting point is 00:14:11 They have mask police in some cities, you know, if you don't have it on, they're harassing you. The fact, she's getting her hair done, doesn't shock me, but not wearing a mask is a slap in a face to everybody that's had a change in their lifestyle and wear one all the time. It's ridiculous. Now, that the challenge is, so she, the owner of this salon decides to kite, if you can move it up a little

Starting point is 00:14:31 bit so we can see the picture, the owner of the salon decides to release this video. So they ask her why did you release the video. She said, I thought it was fair because other salon owners have been shut down and they asked me to open up mine and it's a community and I would also be protective of them. So I open it up. What do you think about her opening up the salon for Pelosi and then sharing this video with the public? So I'll give you two sides of the coin here.

Starting point is 00:14:58 So obviously the optics of this are horrible. I mean, this is hypocrisy at its finest. Breaking news everybody. Polit politicians don't always do as they say do as they do, right? I mean, they'll tell you one thing and then do what they want to do, right? So that's Nancy thing. However, you could take the other side of the coin,

Starting point is 00:15:16 which I'm sure Nancy's saying is, you set me up, bro. You set me up. I called you up. You know, it's gonna clear the space just for me. No one else in there. There's nobody else in there except for me and my hairdresser. And then you're at on me.

Starting point is 00:15:29 So, am I a fan of what she's doing? Am I an advocate of Nancy and her hypocrisy? Not at all. However, I'm sure she's basically saying she was set up. Is that what her defense is? I'm sure it is. That's not a set up. Okay, that being exposed.

Starting point is 00:15:44 The mistake the salon owner made is not calling TMZ and making money off it. Hopefully that salon owner made money off this video, right? Because her shop has been closed for five months. So hopefully that she was able to capitalize on it. And then did you happen to see that the next day that they start lifting some of the limitations in California and saying, yeah,

Starting point is 00:16:02 that saying that now you can open barber shops and salons with limited people inside amazing timing. Isn't, isn't governor Newsom Pelosi's nephew? I don't know if they're actually related. Check to see if there's, the relatives, because I saw somewhere that Newsom related, right, they're related to Pelosi. There you go. Click on that.

Starting point is 00:16:23 Resumption of Governor Newsom related to Pelosi. There you go. Click on that. Risenman Gavin Newsom related to Pelosi. He is the brother-in-law of Nancy Pelosi. The speaker has a random privilege. He is the former uncle by the way. No, they're talking about Ron Pelosi. No, I'm talking. OK, so then that would be. So it looks like maybe her husband somehow was related.

Starting point is 00:16:42 OK. Interesting. There's some kind of a- OK, go back to that guy. And just click, people also ask, just scroll down how is Governor's going to relate to the top one, Kay. Top one, boom.

Starting point is 00:16:53 Click on that. While in school, Nusom spent a semester studying abroad in Rome, Nusom's aunt was married to Ron Pelosi, the brother-in-law of Speaker of the United States of House Representative. There's some relationship. When you think of Gavin Newsom,

Starting point is 00:17:04 ex-wife is Kimberly Gilfile. I mean, it's unbelievable. That's some relationship. It is. When you think of Gavin Newsom, ex-wife is Kimberly Gillfile. I mean, it's unbelievable. That's brilliant, friends. You know, here's the other thing on the other story. That's the other thing on the other story. It's yet to come. Woo.

Starting point is 00:17:14 The fact that Nancy Pelosi is 80. That's what I learned from this story as well. Is she 80? 80 years old. Forget term limits. There should be age limits on Congress people. There should be. There should be.

Starting point is 00:17:22 She should not be allowed to be walking around. San Francisco. I actually. I We start to agree over here. President 74 years old. Right here. She's 80. Yeah. Age discrimination. And then you've seen the scenarios right? If they can't pick the winner of the election, then she could somehow become the president as speaker of the House 80 years old. Unbelievable. How old is he 74?

Starting point is 00:17:45 74. 74. Biden 76. That's not he 78. See 74. Go to Biden 77. 77. All right.

Starting point is 00:17:54 Meet us halfway. November to turn. To be 78 by the way in the next few months. So he's either going to have a huge party when he turned 78 or he's going to freaking By the way, you know, you was Barack Obama. You're a two-term president a one-term senator and you're not even 68 Oh, gangster right there Actually think about that for a second. You're 59. You're a two-term president a one-term senator and you're not even 60 Can we see a before and after picture to other politicians? Yeah, exactly Let's take a before and after picture

Starting point is 00:18:26 of Barack when he became the president at what 48. I was honestly, I don't look at the air though. Dude, click on it on pictures. I don't I mean, you know, they're going to pick the best and the worst pick of him. I mean, yeah, and that can be

Starting point is 00:18:40 I don't think that's too far fetched 2009 2016. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if's too far fetch 2009 2016 Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if it's that bad of a picture. I think the mole got bigger though. The what the mole Most do get bigger Okay, let's take a look at Trump 2015 2020 Is he Tanner now is Tang got a little bit stronger? I think it's what happened with I don't like golf that he's doing every day. He's doing it for an after bleach before and during office. It just depends. It's going to be posting the photo.

Starting point is 00:19:13 It's going to be posting the photo. OK, listen, we talked about, you know, obviously we took a shot at the key little before the show, just to warm things up a little bit, right? So it got me thinking. Don't get us involved with your show shot. You didn't do it. Come on, Mr. Miami key.

Starting point is 00:19:24 I am the only one that did it. I unbelievable. I'm at. What would it just picture this, picture this? You got, before they're doing a podcast, you got Obama on one side. He's got a glass of tequila, scotch. You got Trump on the other side. Just two dudes hanging out.

Starting point is 00:19:39 Two dudes, no cameras, cameras off. What do you think that conversation sounds like? They just took a shot, even though Trump doesn't drink. Are they both presidents or pre-presidents? After president. I'm talking 2020 and beyond. Right? They're after presidents.

Starting point is 00:19:53 They're like, what's up, man? You know, obviously we don't like each other when I have it. Trump wouldn't take the tequila. He's never drank it right off. I know, I know. I know. I know. But if they did, just having a conversation.

Starting point is 00:20:01 I think Trump is so competitive, he'd still be talking shit. To Obama's face He's Trump is the super Trump is like Jordan 32 years later. He wants to remind you of that, you know, shot. He made over you That's him. He can't help himself. He's that competitive. I can pet it People say today competitors who ran into Jordan. He's still reminding him of how you hit that shot on you But it was four years ago

Starting point is 00:20:22 and to Jordan, he's still reminding him of how you... And when I hit that shot on you, buddy. Till today, buddy, that was 40 years ago, really. Let me tell you two other characteristics of these guys, though. I think as they both want to be liked, I think they have, when you're in that role of president, and it's so partisan, you have to play a role as president. And some of that, I don't know if it's natural or if it's acting or what, my opinion is they don't have a severe hatred.

Starting point is 00:20:41 Maybe now, because things got very personal between them, you know, during, at the end of the, when Trump was campaigning, but I, I've heard Obama's a super cool guy to hang with. I bet he'd be pretty fun. If you could, if you could keep politics out of it, I bet it be a fascinating conversation. What do you think? Go by the same. Well, no, no, we're gonna have a talk here, but don't you think for Trump, you know, he loves celebrities and he always did. That's why he did celebrity apprentice. He just, he goes to all the parties.

Starting point is 00:21:07 He loved it. The fact that Hollywood has turned on him like they have and Wall Street and New York and Madison Avenue and he's so hated, I bet that tears him up because he likes it. He wants to be liked. Yeah, I agree. And you know, it's crazy.

Starting point is 00:21:19 By the way, if you're watching this and you're with us, we got 14, 15 so far with us. Our record is I think 16, 50 or 16, 15. Nice. If you're enjoying the podcast, put a thumbs up and hit the subscribe button. But, you know, I had Alan Lickman on yesterday with me. And Alan Lickman, if you know who uses a historian, and he's a historian who years ago, back in the early 80s, late 70s, he ran into a Russian man named Vladimir. And Vladimir was one who had a technology to predict earthquakes.

Starting point is 00:21:49 Alan Lickman, he meets Vladimir, this man's the expert at predicting earthquakes. What a job to have. He predicts earthquakes. So he comes up to Alan and says, hey, I want to collaborate with you. Alan's worried he's thinking this guy's tied to the KGB's Aquedim in a minute.

Starting point is 00:22:04 And listen, I want to do American University. I'm a PhD from Harvard. I'm the scholar. I don't want to do anything with you. I'm going to be talking about this. Why don't we collaborate? So check this out. They collaborate together. Kai, did you bring the notes? Yeah, he brought the notes here. They decide to collaborate together. And here's what happens. He ends up coming up with 30 different markers to predict the election, okay? From the 30, they narrowed down to 13, the top 13 that mattered the most.

Starting point is 00:22:33 Added to 13, two of them are about to candidate. The other 11 is not. The other 11 is more about the current conditions. Two of them is about to candidate, right? Then they go back from 1860 to 1980, and they look at every single election with this guy who predicts earthquakes, and they come up with a format, and they come up with a formula, and they say, we have figured out the formula. Two years before 1984 election,

Starting point is 00:23:01 when Reagan becomes president. In 1981, matter of fact, he predicts that Reagan's going to win office, and he's going to become president. Everybody thought he was crazy from that moment till today, every single one of the predictions he's gotten right. Now, here's a key fact to know about this guy here. He's a diehard Democrat. He's not a Trump guy.

Starting point is 00:23:24 He went on Bill Mar-talk, trash about Republicans, he says Republicans have no values, but they have a spine, Democrats have values, but they don't have spine. And during the predictions that he made, five of the winners he predicted were Republicans for them were Democrats. He chose Trump to win in 2016, but here's what he said yesterday when we sat down. He said, on these 13 markers. This is his prediction By the way based on these 13 markers He predicts that as long as you get seven of these on your side you become president. So I said let's go through it

Starting point is 00:23:57 Party mandate I'm gonna actually say what he said, okay party mandate after the midterm elections There's 13 markers the first one as party. After the midterm elections, there's 13 markers. The first one is party mandate. After the midterm elections, the incumbent party holds more seats in the US House of Representatives than the previous midterm elections. This favors who?

Starting point is 00:24:14 Democrats, because Democrats have that. They want the midterm. You got it. Number two, is a contest. There's no serious contest for an incumbent party nomination. Trump is the incumbent, so he doesn't have anybody that's, so that favors who. Republicans. We got, we got, we got, we keep it score here.

Starting point is 00:24:29 We got one Biden, one Biden, one Trump so far. Okay. Then he goes to incumbent see, the incumbent see party candidate is a sitting president. That's Trump. That's true for Trump. Yes. Then he goes third party. Is there a third party that's competing like a Ross Pro? No Joe Jorgorgensen can't take it. I do anything. And Jorgensen's definitely

Starting point is 00:24:48 not going to be in a country. Trump's up three once. Trump is up three one based on his predictions so far. Okay. Then you go to short term economy. How to short term economy is not so good. This one, believe it or not, he gave to Democrats. He says this is on the Democrats said, which we'll get back to the here in a minute. He says, well, the economies and shambles, we have a recession. There's no way in the world this favors Trump, et cetera, et cetera. So, okay, fine. Three to Trump. Then long term economy are Americans hopeful about the future of the U.S. economy. He gave this also to Democrats. He gave to Stubitans. He says Americans are not hopeful

Starting point is 00:25:21 about the future of the economy. Now it's a tie ball game. Then he goes to the next one which is policy change. The incumbent administration affects major changes in national policy. He says Trump created a ton of his policies. He brought him in to wall all this other stuff. He gave it to us. Through way all of Obama's boss. Through way all of you all of you all of you.

Starting point is 00:25:39 That's right. So he's in. So he's in. Then he goes to social unrest. Number eight. Yeah. We don't have any extra got this for for then he goes to scandal. There's scandal with Trump. So he's gonna give this to a Biden just put the lead later. Now by the bottom and the lead five old man by the

Starting point is 00:25:53 big go copy's up for and military failure. He gives this to Republicans. Yeah, there's not been no major. There's been no failures. No failures. Then he goes to foreign and military success. Not a huge amount of success. Wait a minute, not a huge amount. This is a pinion. You kidding me? But that's your opinion.

Starting point is 00:26:11 He says Democrats take this. Okay, well, he's wrong there. I mean, he's on the wrong part, because I'm with you, but he gave that to Democrats. Then this is the next one, which is mine. I mean, the fact that he chose it this way,

Starting point is 00:26:25 it's mine, bogling incumbent charisma. Does Trump have charisma? You know what he says? He says no. He doesn't have charisma. He says he said, okay, you want my opinion in this one? Say it, yeah. He said, does he have charisma?

Starting point is 00:26:41 Maybe, this is his words, but only to his base. Okay, we'll come back in the base. That's what he said though, did he not? He did say that, no, he did say that. Okay, gotcha. I'm not making this up. And then the last one he says, there's the challenger have charisma by now.

Starting point is 00:26:53 He said no. He says absolutely not. So he gave that to Trump. So we got seven six Trump. He said, he says Obama, I mean Biden, has a beating Trump. So here's what I said, seven six. Seven six. Seven six.

Starting point is 00:27:05 Now we open up for debate. Now we open up for debate. Ding, ding, ding, ding. So which one of these are open up for debate? I got three of them open for debate, right? I got three of them open for debate. Okay. One of them is short term economy.

Starting point is 00:27:17 Yeah. The other one is long term economy. The other one is his charisma. Yeah. And the other one is military success. I was going to say foreign policy, foreign potential success. So there's four that you want to bring up. Well, I have this short term economy, long term economy, foreign military success. Yes. And his charisma. So you got four. So which one you want to take first? Let's start with. If everybody's watching this, would you

Starting point is 00:27:41 categorically say that Trump is a very charismatic guy? Whether you like him or not comment below. Of course. If you say Trump is a charismatic guy. He wouldn't have been elected in 26. That's what got him elected is charisma. So he's saying he's saying just with his party is what he's saying. What are your thoughts? Pat, here's my thoughts. Did you know about the 14th question that Lickman has? Here it is. Is Lickman a quack? And the answer to that is yes. Okay, so he hangs his hat on getting every election rights since 1984. Congratulations, Ronald Reagan over Gary Hart.

Starting point is 00:28:15 What a bold prediction in 1984. So he gets that one, right? Did you also notice that these types of guys, there's always one, every election cycle that got the election right, every year since 1923, right? There's always that one guy and then they get it wrong and then it falls off to the side.

Starting point is 00:28:32 Here's the other thing, throw all his little questions out the window because 2020, you can't compare any other year to 2020. It skews everything, this guy's a quack. The other thing too is, when some left-leaning media Publications report this. It's almost like a mic drop for them. Oh, Lickman said he's gonna win. It's over right? They take so much satisfaction in Pride over. I don't buy these guys and here's the last thing that makes me think he's a quack

Starting point is 00:28:59 He predicts earthquakes. The only person that can predict a earthquake is Paul Giammadi in the movie San Andreas. Did you ever see that in the rock? Yes, of course. May God help us all. Dude, I love that, Giammadi. Anyway, so that's my take on Lickman, the 14th question. I mean, I got a totally disagree with Tom on this one.

Starting point is 00:29:16 Tom, he predicted Trump would win in 2016. Let's get the guy a freaking credit. No, no, no, no, no, no. That's called luck. You flip a coin on some of these. Okay, listen. If you've got number one, some Russian dude in your corner that's busing out some crazy systems and stats,

Starting point is 00:29:31 you have 30, as Pat said, and you boil it down to 13, and you go back from 1860 to 1980, and you run your numbers, and you bring your point. It's actually very easy. He's got a system, dude. He's got a system. He's not a quack. Now, you might disagree clearly that he's not a profit either. I mean, he's got a system he's not a quack now you might disagree clearly

Starting point is 00:29:45 that he's not a prophet either I mean he's been looking I'm not praying to the Lichtman God I don't give a shit about this guy however he does have a system and is the system proven to be right sure we're gonna find out in two months if he actually has his you know if the system can you know hold water in a very very close election clearly Reagan over Mondale oh my God, how'd you come up with that one? But Gore Bush, the closest election we've ever had in our country's history, predicted that one. He predicted 2016.

Starting point is 00:30:18 He actually predicted, I think, Gore would win the general election. I think those are the, that would be caveat with that two day which he did yeah what which we've all learned in this country general election you mean the popular vote i'm sorry but those are the predict well clearly that we've all learned is a big difference between the popular vote

Starting point is 00:30:36 and the electoral college sorry for my confusion right there but the bottom line is i think that guy has a system and we're gonna see if it can uh... you know so what are on the but back to the charisma i want to go through specific but i just asked here's who said no majority said yes bobby niko loftsky said trump doesn't have charisma

Starting point is 00:30:56 will be need for everybody else's of course yes absolutely debra weight says yes he is night fury says joe hidden and then you go let's's you who also know. I mean, it's like 90% is you know, he does not blaze herself and then you got a few other people that said no. Vinay, their car said no. Okay, so 90% say yes that he has charisma. But let's go back to it. Yeah. Okay. Short term economy. I don't even want to, because apart that I question him, I actually like his system. I don't think I dislike the system.

Starting point is 00:31:29 He says there's a part of this that has to do with your own judgment, because some of the things it was based on opinion when he said this. So short term economy, he gave it to the Democrats. How do you give the short term economy to the Democrats? When we had the conversation,, here's what I said. I said, well, first of all, the date Trump took office,

Starting point is 00:31:49 November 9th, he takes office, market goes up to 50, okay? It was at 18,550, 90-day he took office, Trump took office. The Dow went from 18,559 to 29,000 and change as of yesterday. That's 50 something percent. So short term economy, check. Now let me go even a little bit deeper

Starting point is 00:32:12 than that would short term economy. Then he said, well, it's not necessarily true. The American people are struggling right now. They're this, they're that, it's a recession. I said, this is not a recession. This is not a, he said, this is a recession. I said, look, I went through O1 recession, 9-11, when it happened, and you kind of saw what happened to the economy.

Starting point is 00:32:30 That went to 6,500 people were scared. People lost money. I remember O8, when the mortgage crisis took place, and people were losing money, even though there was quantitative easing, and they bailed out in O8, the money didn't go to the people. The money stopped at the companies.

Starting point is 00:32:46 They're too big to fill companies. You didn't get the money. You didn't get the $600 project. No, but the way Trump did quantitative easing, the money went to the people. $600 a week, which means even the unemployed had money coming in. So it's not like it's a recession.

Starting point is 00:33:02 And some more than when they were making. So you can't say people were in spending money, people are still spending money, people are still going through the same, you know, similar things that they were doing because there was money still coming in. Yes, savings rate went up, yes, airlines took a head, yes, hotels took it. So this is not a typical recession. Now, the other one is long term economy. It's an opinion to say you don't think the long term economy is going to do good. It's an opinion to say you don't think the long term economy is going to do good. It's an opinion because right now.

Starting point is 00:33:27 Where did he give the long term economy to? He gave that to a guy. Okay, now that's clear bias. He gave that to a guy. That's what I'm saying. Well, I like his, I like his 13 markers. I don't like the way he chose his sites. What he should have done is he should have said, I'm bowing out of predicting this year

Starting point is 00:33:44 because it's too volatile. There's no way he can do this. I'm not really bowing out. Yeah, I know he should say done is he should have said I'm bowing out of predicting this year because it's too volatile There's no way he can use this Bowen out. Yeah, I know how he's guys makes his name. He's I know he does sit this one out guys Make his name it all because I know I agree what's him is you can't be a hundred percent with this election He was nope. This is why here's what's gonna happen this? I said can you look at debates as a marker? He says debates never mattered. Hillary won every debate against Trump. It was irrelevant Trump still won.

Starting point is 00:34:09 He said Hillary won every debate against Trump is what his answer was. And he's still won. See, he tries to take scientific theories and apply unscientific answers to it. Because there's no like, final score in a debate. I mean, that is your own interpretation, right? A debate could be looked at by 50 people

Starting point is 00:34:28 and have 50 different answers. I really think he should have just said, I'm not doing a prediction this year and then retired, undefeated. Doesn't that make more sense? You know, he was like 15. What's your beef with downlinks? I don't have a beef with downlinks.

Starting point is 00:34:39 You gotta beef with liquefied. I don't have a beef at all. I just, I don't buy into these guys that think that they're gonna to use their formula and apply it to this year because this is the strangest year ever. What happens if you're ever? Then he's lucky. Like he probably was on half of these because part of it, he's just guessing.

Starting point is 00:34:53 So basically, we don't even need to talk about like a minute more. I tell you, no, I tell you, I like the 13 markers. That's what I'm trying to say. I do too. I like the 13 markers, but there's got to be a way where you can reason and say, you can't tell me short term economy not doing good. I think what we've just established is, okay, we like these 13, but there's open for debate.

Starting point is 00:35:12 Yes. You think he's not charismatic. Well, then talk about the other one. Talk about the other one that he gave to the Democrats. Saying, foreign military successes. Meaning, he said no military success. He gave it to Biden. Meaning, Trump has had no military successes

Starting point is 00:35:25 in the last three and a half years. I would think that he hasn't had a major military success. However, I do think he's had significant foreign success, especially in the Middle East, with obviously the moving of the embassy to Jerusalem. And then obviously everything that happened with the UAE, like two weeks ago. In years that's never done. Whatever is happening with China.

Starting point is 00:35:47 First up that visited North Korea. You got a guy that takes a Khasam Soleimani who was the number one terrorist in the world. You don't hear anything on the news about ISIS. When's the last time you turn on the news and even thought about ISIS? When I... Yeah. When's the last time you watch the news and you saw anything about ISIS? When's the last time? No, it's done five, three, three years ago. No, no, what I'm yeah, when's the last time you watch the news and you saw anything about ISIS, when's the last time?

Starting point is 00:36:05 No, it's not five to three years ago. No, no, what I'm trying to say is, do not, okay, what I'm trying to say is, when's the last time even heard award ISIS? Yeah, why not? So just because you don't hear about it doesn't mean that it's not a success. So I think this one can also be debated on both sides. Tom, what do you think? Well, isn't the definition of not having, or couldn't you look at not having any foreign success in the military a good thing because he hasn't had any altercations? We didn't lose any battles. We just didn't engage, really.

Starting point is 00:36:35 And I think eliminating ISIS is such a big deal. I mean, that was the number one news story. The number one world problem probably in 2015 and 2015. It was horrific what was going on in now. I don't think do they exist. I mean, I hope we've completely eradicated. They're out there. But I mean, they've got to handle on it, right?

Starting point is 00:36:52 And you gotta give some victories there. That's all I'm saying. You gotta give some victories there. I'm open to it being 50-50. On this one, I'm not even saying it's on Trump or not. I'm just saying there can be an argument made for both sides, right? You have it nine, nine, four. I have a nine, four.

Starting point is 00:37:08 I have it. I know you're dismissing this. You're zero and 13 and we already know. I'm like a lost baby, baby spot. You're like a lost, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no bet. I have it actually in favor of Trump, seven, six. Oh, so you have favor Trump.

Starting point is 00:37:25 So let me ask you, which one flipped for you? I think whether you like Trump or not, and clearly I'm not a Trump fan, he definitely has charisma. Okay. So you can't say he doesn't have charisma. So then that's the last one. I agree.

Starting point is 00:37:37 He gave it to Biden, you're saying Trump has a pretty person. Yeah, so I'm flipping it now. I disagree with you on the short term economy thing. Economy. Tell me why. Okay, so a couple different things. For the average American out there,

Starting point is 00:37:47 things are not better than they were four years ago. Right now. Right now, short term. Average American. You talked about the pre pre COVID or post COVID. You talked about post COVID. Okay, pre COVID. Okay, pre COVID, was it better or was it worse?

Starting point is 00:38:00 Okay, we're talking short term. What short term? Last three, six months. Pre COVID was a better or worse, pre COVID. Like, January is it better or worse? Yes. Okay, so long term, term what short term last three sec Cove it was a better or worse pre-COVID like January is it better or worse? Yes, okay, so long term. I'm given to Trump short term. I'm not given to Trump So long term you are given it to Trump. Yes, then it's eight five hundred and we're eight five okay then that's I think what he said Was the long term ramifications? I'm not sure what he said clearly the economy was booming under Trump

Starting point is 00:38:24 No disagreement there that would be the only freaking reason I'd ever vote he said. Clearly the economy was booming under Trump. No disagreement there. That would be the only fricking reason I'd ever vote for Trump would be the economy straight up. So I'm giving short term, not to Trump. I'm giving long term to Trump. I'm flipping on the charisma. I disagree. The guy is charismatic.

Starting point is 00:38:40 Yeah, I think that Lickman, for I think the 13 points are a good basis for a discussion, but they're not the gospel. Here's one question. Lickman gave long-term economy to Biden, right? We all know what the tax increases. We're about to go into it, yeah. Are going to be, how can any rational person,

Starting point is 00:38:58 you don't have to be a financial wizard to understand that that's going to hurt the economy? Well, what he's saying is people, he's not giving it to Biden. What he's saying is he's saying that the American people are not optimistic about the future of the economy. That's what he's saying. So it's not necessarily saying,

Starting point is 00:39:12 hey, Biden's gonna make the economy better. He's just saying the American people today are not optimistic. You know what? And I got no personal beef against Lake Man. I don't know who he is. But there was so much partisan fervor going on in this country that his formula might not apply in 2021.

Starting point is 00:39:25 I tell you I love his formula. That's the crazy thing. Like I walked away saying I actually like this because to me I'm a guy that I like what the what people said people said when I was in Miami, I didn't speak it English I went to school. He says life was good and then I took algebra and I said I have a hard time figuring out letters Now have to figure out letters and numbers and they get together. I don't even know what they're doing right now, right? But but I love formulas and this to me is formula. So to say to say Trump is not charismatic. This is what I told him. Here's my final thoughts with them.

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Starting point is 00:40:08 But let's continue. The part about charisma, this is what I told them. I said, look, my score is 9.4. Based on your markers, I'm given short term to Trump. I'm given long term to Trump. I'm given foreign military to Trump. And I'm given charisma to Trump. What did he say? And, and then I made my point. I said the following. So I have 9 I'm given charisma to Trump. What did he say?

Starting point is 00:40:25 And then I made my point. I said, the following. So I have nine for you. Have eight, five. OK. I said, what's your favorite TV show that you can watch over and over and over again? He said, I'm a Yankee's guy. I said, great.

Starting point is 00:40:37 I said, do you ever get tired of watching Yankee's? No, I mean, you watch Yankee's over and over again. That's great. I'm a Mickey guy. I told him about the Mickey Manor card I wanted, et cetera, et cetera. We had a laugh about it. I said, can you imagine a person to carry a show for 15 years without charisma? I said, it's mathematically impossible.

Starting point is 00:40:55 Before becoming a president, this guy had a TV show called The Prentice for 15 years because Americans left right middle wanted to hear him say you're fired. Didn't give a shit if he's a Republican Democrat or independent. because Americans left right middle wanted to hear him say you're fired. Didn't give a shit if he's a Republican Democrat or independent matter of fact, when he had the apprentice, he thought he was a Democrat. So it's not about the politics. He is very, very charismatic. And then I told him the last thing.

Starting point is 00:41:17 I said, look, Alan, how about this? If you win and Biden wins, I take you to Yankee's game. Third, you tell me where you want to sit. Four seats, you take your family, enjoy it on the house. I said, but if Trump wins, you come back and say, you're right. I said, how about this? I'd like to see you get a double digit streak

Starting point is 00:41:36 to go into double digits, like your 10 is a big deal. You got to have a win streak. Why don't you say right now and switch to Trump? He says, I can't do it. So he stuck to his guns and he's going with Biden. Obviously, we'll see what's gonna to take place. I should have a really good conversation with you. I enjoyed him. Sure. And you know, what kudos to him for what he's done that is unbelievable. Not many people can predict them. But do you think he would've

Starting point is 00:41:56 been getting the attention that he would be right now about this if he had picked it the other way? So this helps his brand going for Biden because he's going to get a lot of positive. I tell you one thing. I tell you one thing. He says when he was working in DC and he said Trump in 2016, he says I lost a lot of friends. A lot of people were upset with me. How could you go against Queen Hillary? How can you go against a person that everybody thought was going to be president? By the way, somebody put a question here, St. Pat, do you really believe Hillary won all three debates? I don't, but he does. He thought he won, I think it was Sheldon or something like that. I didn't think Hillary won all three.

Starting point is 00:42:28 No, but not Pat. Here's another question. You know, you like formulas, but when the person that runs the formula says, I lost a lot of friends because of my pick. And then the next time he does it, he does it the opposite way. Doesn't that say it could be potentially skewed? No, it could be. It totally could be. That's what I'm saying. That's why I was curious to know why he went this direction with this. And by the way, since we're already on this topic, I say we go into Biden's

Starting point is 00:42:50 tax plan. How about we talk about Biden's tax plan? So check this out. Last week, a mining-mowned business, we're at our annual convention, we're preparing for, we got a lot of stuff going on. I get an email from Goldman Sacks, from advisor Goldman Sacks. Good people there. We like them a lot. They do good for us. We, every time we run them, very, very helpful. This is not an article written by, you know, someone on Huff Post. This is not an article written by a contributor on Forbes.

Starting point is 00:43:17 This is from Goldman Sachs, talking about Biden's plan to prepare CEOs, entrepreneurs, business owners on what is going to happen when this takes place. Pulse are trending, this is the email, Pulse are trending in the Democratic Party's favor, and while polls are unreliable, they have fueled questions around what happens to the financial markets if the Democrats take the White House and or the Senate. Politics aside, we are having conversations with clients around what, if any steps we should take over the next few months, if you topics of note are below.

Starting point is 00:43:52 Let's go through three of these topics with them, okay? Together. Number one, Biden team has published their tax plan and it outlines increased corporate tax rate, personal income rates increase, and capital gains tax rates increasing. Specifically, the plan outlines an increase in long-term capital gains, which is what, anything above one year. So you buy some, I buy a card for $500,000. I sell it two years later,

Starting point is 00:44:20 for a million dollars, the capital gains taxes on that is what a million and a half five hundred thousand sell it for two million and paying capital gains on that additional million and a half I may have a cost basis tax free one point five minutes yes exactly so the long-term capital gains taxes from the current 20% is going to 39.6. So he's not taking it from 20% to 25%, not 30%. Not 35% to 39.6%. It would be the highest capital gains taxes is what we're talking about, nearly two x increase, right? That's number one.

Starting point is 00:44:58 Second is he talks about the current gift tax exclusion that stands at 11.4 million per person, roughly 22 million per couple, and they're thinking about that this is going to go lower during Obama administration per person that was $5 million. It's supposed to expire by 2025, but he's saying Biden is probably going to speed up that process, and it's going to bring it down to 5 million sooner. So this may not apply to a lot of people that are listening to this, but if you got money, this applies to you.

Starting point is 00:45:24 Then you go a little bit deeper here into the tax plan and here's what you notice Biden would raise corporate tax rate from 21 to 28 percent corporate tax rate that's seven additional percent for corporate tax rate Restore the top individual tax rate from 37 to 39.6 it went lower. It's gonna go back to 39.6 Tax plan with his tax plan would raise between 3.35 trillion dollars to 3.67 trillion dollars over a decade if Inacted in full starting in 2021. Okay, let me say that one more time. That means 3.35 trillion dollars of American people is gonna go to the government. That's really what that means just so you know 3.35 trillion dollars over a Decade it's a lot of money Biden's tax plan is highly progressive increasing taxes for the top 1% earners by 13 to 18% Okay, and then continuously for people are at the bottom like well Pat

Starting point is 00:46:15 I'm not really affected by this. This is just for the rich people Major proposals by Biden's campaign would raise 1.6 to 1.9 trillion dollars over a decade from corporations. A trillion to a trillion to a trillion to a come from high earners from their income tax. 800 billion to a trillion dollars from Social Security taxes on highway earners. And then he's adding tax fees, fees on bank fees, a hundred billion dollars and a bunch of other things that he's doing. Meaning taxes are going up. When I told you the capital gains is going from 20 to 39.6, Adam, what was your reaction to it? You know, that's pretty unbelievable. When I told you the capital gains is going from 20 to 39.6, Adam, what was your reaction to it? You know, it's pretty unbelievable.

Starting point is 00:46:47 Like I said before, the only reason that I personally would vote for Trump is for the economy. You're being serious. This is the only reason. The only reason. The guy. Money guy.

Starting point is 00:47:01 That's, I don't find him likeable. I don't find him credible. But it reason enough do you think for people? For what people but like a lot of people maybe think that way That think what way Tom that Financially it makes more sense with Trump as president. I mean with rich people. Yeah Rich people I doubt the average working America's waking up being would you consider yourself a rich person? I would say that I'm well off. Yes. I would consider you well off But yeah, when I mean rich because sometimes when you say rich nowadays people think you're worth a hundred million no

Starting point is 00:47:31 You're still talking one million You're still talking to the people who make between a quarter million to a half a million dollar your income That's not what the average American that's I'm not talking about those people you'd consider that rich though Would you say quarter million to have money? I would say that you're wealthy. You're doing your well No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, sure the estate tax, I don't know, they might go from 20 million to 5 million, the exemption. Yeah. Most people don't think that way. Obviously being around you, thinking more corporate, thinking long-term capital game, thinking about exit strategy, these are very pertinent items. But, you know, me being in the insurance business, life settlement business, understanding long-term capital gain, this is some scary stuff,

Starting point is 00:48:25 guys. So for people that are paying attention to taxes, if the highest long term, long term tax gain is 15, 20%. You're going to double it to the highest ordinary income tax number, 39.6 is scary stuff. But big picture, I'm not even talking Trump, I'm not even talking Biden, I'm talking 10, 20, 30 years down the road, what have you, taxes are going to increase in this country. Back when Reagan was an actor, you know Reagan's story about when he was an actor. President of SAG or which story? When he was an actor, the top tax rate was this 1930s, 90% in America. Yes. When I saw that, I'm like, what country was this 1930s 90 freaking percent in America. Yes. Like I when I saw that I'm like what country was this in yes.

Starting point is 00:49:07 So Reagan would say he would make two movies a year because if he made a third movie he would make way too much money and get get taxed. Sure. And 90 percent. So this is some of the stuff he was taking. Brilliant tax strategy obviously. I'm making I'm making two movies a year because if I make third they're taking 90 percent of it. Sure. So this is scary stuff but whether it's 15 20 39 this is really aggressive. but whether it's 15, 20, 39, this is really aggressive, taxes are going up in this country. This is a conversation we're going to have

Starting point is 00:49:31 for the upcoming decades, for sure, especially with our unfunded liabilities, with social security, Medicare, Medicaid, everything that's going on with the deficit, with the debt calculator, it's scary stuff. This is gonna be an ongoing debate, but I think this is obviously gonna affect anybody who's wealthy, long-term capital gain,

Starting point is 00:49:51 the average American, I don't think they think about this kind of stuff. I think one thing that would help Biden, if he said, okay, these taxes increases are going towards infrastructure or some things that all they're saying is it's $3.6 trillion, so where's it going? Vaporizing? I mean, is it gonna knock down the national debt? I mean, that's's it going? Vaporizing? I mean, is it going to knock down the national debt?

Starting point is 00:50:06 I mean, that's the big question. What do you, I mean, is it going to go to programs that maybe people don't support, right? Which is another political issue? But that's a lot of money. That's 300 plus billion per year. Here's, here's the simplest way I look at it, Adam. And I hope this helps you out in this kind of mixed sense to you. In life, I look at everybody as an advisor, okay? Adminesment, investment advisor. in life, I look at everybody as an advisor, okay? Investment, investment advisor.

Starting point is 00:50:27 Is that $3 trillion better in the private with entrepreneurs taking that $3 trillion and doubling to $6 trillion, $12 trillion, $24 trillion? Or is that $3 trillion better being given to politicians on what they can do better with that $3 trillion? Take option A. That's my point to you. I agree with you.

Starting point is 00:50:46 By the way, for the listener that's listening to this, here's what you have to realize. Adam, is it fair to say you've never voted for Republican president? For Republican president. Did I vote for Bush and against Kerry? I don't think I voted for Republican president. Okay, you've never voted for Republican president. So your somebody that you would. Okay, you've never voted for a Republican president. No, I don't. So, you're somebody that you would say socially, you're left.

Starting point is 00:51:09 And economic. I'm on the 40 yard line. Okay, you're on the 40 yard line. Yes. Fair enough. Okay. But economically, you're concerned. I'm on the other side. That's right.

Starting point is 00:51:18 So, this is the challenge. If you remember when we were talking sometime last year, and people were asking me, hey, what could happen, not even last you, just like five months ago, what could happen for Trump to lose the election? I said, if the Dow stays and goes to 18th, how he ain't getting reelected. Period. He ain't getting reelected.

Starting point is 00:51:36 One of the biggest mistakes Democrats did, believe it or not, you know what they did? When coronavirus took place, they had a four month period to really show fear in America. They should have never sent the $600 to the American people per week. The moment they agreed to do that, Trump became the good guy. He took care of the people.

Starting point is 00:51:56 In their hearts, the American people said, man, crisis happened. So it backfired on Democrats. Because they wanted to do that, but it happened during a a Trump administration forever that credit's gonna go to Trump because they're gonna remember the president 30 years From now. No one's gonna remember that who came up with this $600 a week when they came up with that $600 a week it brought the Dow from 89 that went to just a few months ago to $29,000 if the economy's at $29,000 Most of the time the American people are like,

Starting point is 00:52:26 you know what, if the economy's fine, the unemployment for African-American and Spanish as low as it's ever been, I'm just gonna keep the weight as right now. I think it's gonna back far on Democrats. That's my thoughts. Well, in the number one thing I equate with the tax is going higher,

Starting point is 00:52:40 corporation tax going up is layoffs, right? And more people I think thinking long term, how's this gonna affect their job? So I don't know, it's, when they, did they, did they put any bias in the email when they reached out to you? Did they give you any advice with it? Or is that their job?

Starting point is 00:52:55 Well, the guy that sent an email, the guy's a step. He's a step. But to be fair, the chief economist of, of Goldman Sachs is a Persian lady. And I had a chance to go listen to her earlier this year in February when coronavirus was just coming up. And they said at that time that they weren't too concerned about coronavirus. I don't know if you remember the reports, Kai, we read that extensively when they gave me the reports like 50 page report, coronavirus wasn't a big deal to them. They didn't think it was going to be as big as

Starting point is 00:53:21 it ended up being. And she doesn't necessarily favor Trump. A lot of the people like Goldman Sachs don't necessarily favor Trump. So they're going to be more left leaning from the chief economist standpoint. And a lot of times when you get this email, the email is coming from the chief economist, given it to the next person and an next person. And it's coming down. So the leaning is a left leaning policies that they have from the top. Not necessarily him, but the economy is coming from the top. But, you know, let's go to a couple of the topics. Again, we're going to find out what's going to happen here.

Starting point is 00:53:51 All I'm saying is, if it goes like this, and the 39-6 is what Biden's tax plan is going to be for capital gains, you're going to have second thoughts about voting for Biden. That's what you're saying. I'm just saying that's the only reason I would consider not. So if today is the day to vote, you go to the booth. What are you doing? What is Josh way today? What is Josh way today?

Starting point is 00:54:12 Because we have a bet. Josh, if you're listening, I love you buddy. That bet is still in place, buddy. I want you losing weight. He does. So just to wrap this up, you have 9-4. I have 9-4. Trump.

Starting point is 00:54:24 You got 8-5. I think I had 7-6, 8-5. And Tom, our good friend over here, has got 0-13. He thinks he's a crack. He's a hand-given. Now, I say you just don't do it the formula in 2020. OK. It's different.

Starting point is 00:54:36 Tom. The show goes on, baby. The show goes on. I asked him. I said, has anybody ever want to sweep 13-0 under way you guys did it from 1860 to today? He says only one. I said who he said Teddy Roosevelt Wow Teddy Roosevelt's the only one that won that one. Yeah, that's right. That's right. That's the only one that won

Starting point is 00:54:52 Anyways, let's let's talk a little business here. Let's talk a little business here So Amazon and this is really apparently happening. I thought this was not gonna happen anytime soon But it's apparently happening so Amazon announces their drone program that it's ready for a lift-off. Amazon received its FAA certificate that will allow it to move forward with drone delivery. The drone program in 2030 was first announced and ever since then that they've been working on it,

Starting point is 00:55:17 the MK27 drones will be able to fly up to 15 miles and deliver packages weighing less than five pounds and less than 30 minutes. Can you show us the picture of this guy so we can kind of see this? So if it's less than 15 miles, I order something on Amazon. It's less than five pounds. Within 30 minutes, it arrives to my house. It's crazy stuff when you think about it. Yeah, it's very crazy. I mean, all I think about is, you're not sure how many people are ordering stuff on Amazon. How many drones are we going to see? No kidding. Because you're seeing them drop one box. I mean, look, there is imagine how many people are ordering stuff on Amazon How many drones are we gonna know kidding because you're seeing them drop one box I mean look there's so many Amazon vans on the street have you noticed there everywhere everywhere everywhere Is there something to see or no let's see what this looks like?

Starting point is 00:55:58 So that's apparently the drone Can you make that bigger for us to see or safety and fishing that are packages customers? This is spa music. You know what, with the volume of packages they deliver, I don't know how this makes a dent. How can dropping off one package 15 miles away, is it more for publicity? I tell you, within 30 minutes Tom, you buy, I mean we have an Amazon down the street here on less than 30 miles away. I know what you want to talk about, on the way to the free right.

Starting point is 00:56:41 Obviously, that one is a massive one on the right side. Right, no, no, I think it's great. I mean, if they could do it But what if everybody in this room ordered something right now would there be eight? Drones in the air yeah, that's what he's saying. Yeah, that's what they're saying But what about the other 500,000 people in Dallas that are ordering at the same time? But that's what I'm saying if they have I mean you're gonna look at the sky. I'm just I'm just visualizing you look up 600 drones above you. Well, no kidding. It's just looks weird. What about UPS and FedEx?

Starting point is 00:57:07 Won't they want to do the same thing? Won't that help them as well? It is unbelievable. I can't imagine that this takes off. I can't I mean I was a huge fan of the movie back to the future, right? I know obviously sometimes for phone you dress up as Doc Brown just for a for good times Shout out to John Mason. He's Marty McFly in his spare time. But I'm a huge fan of that. But what a twist. What a plot twist we've had in the world. We thought years ago we'd have flying cars. That's what would be happening in 2020. Now we have flying drones delivering your toilet paper because you don't want to go to the store yourself. By the way way have you it's a sad situation have you heard what the USPS is doing for to combat this with their latest technology they're gonna put

Starting point is 00:57:51 every letter into a paper airplane and then zip it over to your house forget drones man they're gonna make paper airplanes that's their new delivery surface I can see that that's what the government would do if they want to do some like your mail-in ballot right I. I tell you this is going to be I can know. So we are fan of this. We're not a fan as good as is bad as stupid. I don't question is if it were a fan of it or not. I think the question is is it happening or not?

Starting point is 00:58:14 And do you have any say in it? I think it's happened. Yeah. I'm a fan of it for one reason. My 14 year old daughter, whenever she orders something on Amazon, she's bombing me with text all day. Go get my package. Go get my get my package you know this might get it they're quicker fewer text I tell you I'll remind you I want you to think about

Starting point is 00:58:30 so imagine you are you know a 12-year-old boy okay and and you figure out the BB gun you take it out you're going to backyard you're seeing drones being delivered and they're coming lower and lower and lower you're like playing target practice how yeah you are the 12-year is what they're coming lower. And Lauren or you're like playing target practice. How good are you? I mean, the 12 years what they're gonna be. People are gonna be shot. They're gonna be shooting. Yeah, for sure. That's the part.

Starting point is 00:58:49 You're gonna see boxes falling. What if one of the drones like, you know, has a challenge, it comes out crashing the middle of the freeway. It's gonna be very entertaining. Weather? I mean, thunderstorms, it Dallas have at least these things.

Starting point is 00:59:00 Light things, boom, drone gets hit. I'm gonna sound like an old grumpy man right now, and you're talking to somebody that would work from home, doesn't have a car, ubers everywhere, doesn't go shopping, does InstaCart. I don't go to the Walmart, I'll go order Amazon, like I'm as like techie as it gets, but we're gonna have a new generation,

Starting point is 00:59:21 your kids, your kids, that are not gonna under, my kids when I got, you know, knock on, that are not gonna under, my kids, when I got, you know, knock on wood, ladies out there, I'm single. The instant gratification thing is on overload right now. Imagine you just, where's my package? It's been 31 minutes, like this ain't a freaking pizza, bro. Like there's certain things, good things take time.

Starting point is 00:59:41 I'm not saying that everything that you're ordering, but the instant gratification of everything you order, 30 30 minutes 30 minutes of freaking drone this I got to have my video game. Where is it? Come on, I guess this is a little this is getting a little aggressive guys. The differentiator quit. It might be paying extra $200. That's when you're rich. When you're rich, you do what Adam just you just throw money. Right. Do you think maybe it's the option is you pay an extra $200. $300, you get the drone service? Because there's just no way for the sheer volume of packages they deliver. You can have drones drop in a month.

Starting point is 01:00:11 But I really, I mean, I think it's fascinating. How did Amazon deliver the packages two, three years ago? Because you didn't see Amazon vans. Are they just more comfortable having their own vans out there? They had stealth vans. They had red vans. They had red vans. They were gone on unmarked vans just like that.

Starting point is 01:00:25 I mean, they're everywhere. And then it's fascinating when you see the little areas where they'll park them. Like I see little hotels, you know, throughout LA where there's 50 Amazon vans. I mean, so they have, they must have so many trucks out there. Listen, just know that Jeff Bezos so good that his wife's wealth doubled in the last couple months.

Starting point is 01:00:44 She's now worth $68 billion. Riches. X, his wife's wealth doubled in the last couple months. She's now worth $68 billion. Riches wife. Riches woman in the world. Yeah, most wealthy. Can you imagine how powerful you are? Your worth 200 million and your ex-wife is worth $68 billion. You are not only the richest man in the world.

Starting point is 01:00:57 Your wife, your ex-wife is the richest woman in the world. That's ridiculous. Yeah. What that means. And I don't think Amazon is slowing down anytime soon, by the way. So again, shout out to Jeff Bezos man you and your drones it is what it is so zoom CEO Eric one six point six billion dollars he made in one day let me say that one more time he made six point six billion dollars in one day I think

Starting point is 01:01:18 their zoom is not big enough Starbucks it's big enough a lot of these companies that you read about and their stock skyrocketed. The question now is, did people listen to this? Did anybody listen to today's podcast by any Zoom stock or own any Zoom stock? Pre, pre March 1st. If you did own Zoom stock, pre March 1st, you're probably bragging about it to your friend. These are the moments they can brag about these types of things. If you own Zoom stock, pre-march first. Do you think Zoom is going to slow down anytime soon?

Starting point is 01:01:49 Well, the brand awareness is out there and everybody's going to use it. Now the question is, kids are going to go back to school, we hope, eventually. So fewer uses there. Will people go back to the office? So yes, I think just cheer volume, it'll have to go down by 12 number of people using it. But man, they've entered the playing field pretty dramatically here. I don't know.

Starting point is 01:02:10 Yeah, I mean, no, no, great point. We've learned a couple key terms that we've learned over the last six months, social distancing. That was a word we've never, face masks. And then essential, right? Essentials, Zoom has taken the word essential and brought it to different levels. This Zoom has been essential.

Starting point is 01:02:33 Pat just did the most ridiculous event. PHP just did the most ridiculous event. All via Zoom, you usually do it in Las Vegas. You're taking over MGM, 10,000 people, absolute KS, pandemonium, you did it with 10 people in a frickin' room. You have general madness, you got trade goutty, you got Dalai, Dalai, Dalai, Mr. Worldwide,

Starting point is 01:02:53 Pitbull, all via Zoom. And it was an incredible event. I mean, what an event, what a time, what a place to be alive via Zoom and at all having to be a Zoom. Do you know what feedback we got? So every time we do this, we send an email out and we get a survey back.

Starting point is 01:03:06 We had a two hour meeting yesterday to read every single survey. You know what the survey was? Crazy as survey. The survey was they were able to connect with the speakers better because they looked at them on their camera. So they're watching them here versus that convention. You're watching them that's 100 yards away because you got a bunch of people in the room.

Starting point is 01:03:25 So the connection with it. Interesting. The connection with it. The connection with it. Interesting. The connection with it. Interesting. The connection with it.

Starting point is 01:03:33 Interesting. The connection with it. Interesting. The connection with it. Interesting. The connection with it. Interesting. The connection with it.

Starting point is 01:03:41 Interesting. The connection with it. Interesting. The connection with it. Interesting. The connection with it. Interesting. The connection with it. He says, you don't hear any of the speakers. He says, all it is is the entire time delegates are walking around, it's loud, it's noisy, it's distractions, it's this. He says, here's the one thing about this year's DNC and R&C. You were able to listen to every one of the speakers. There was no distractions, it was just straight up talking to you.

Starting point is 01:03:56 There was nothing being said that you didn't catch. So I think this Zoom thing with the direction we're going in right now. I don't think this is going away. I don't think this is a model that's going away. And I think if they add a couple gamification models to it, and they decide to come out with a social side to it, I think this zoom thing can keep growing. Two points, Lickman's right about one thing,

Starting point is 01:04:18 because the speakers were so much more impactful because they weren't having the reporters on the floor interviewing the delegates, right? Those dopey delegates that come in from all over the country. And that's the most obnoxious thing about the convention. So the speakers were a lot more impactful. Is there gonna be a competitor to Zoom? Can Google step up and really take them on

Starting point is 01:04:35 and have a device that's as good as it should? Well, WebEx had the lead. Yeah, but they didn't have enough infrastructure to be able to handle. We kept using WebEx, WebEx, WebEx, three times it crashed on us. And I said, I'm dumb with WebEx. We left Cisco and we went to Zoom. Yeah, Zoom had a big crash last week that you know, made big news.

Starting point is 01:04:49 Now, here's the other thing that's fascinating. Most people say I never really even heard of Zoom, you know, until COVID hit. But this guy was a billionaire before COVID. His net worth now, the CEO was 23 billion. It went up six. So he already was a billionaire. So apparently zoom was making an impact on some of the, did you see the primary Chinese investor? He has like 9% and he's worth 11 billion because of zoom now unbelievable. Can you imagine, you know, the CEO's name now? Yon? Eric Wann. Eric Wann. Yeah. Two things with that just to follow up. We talked about this initially, I think, you think, five, six months ago. Just being ready for the moment.

Starting point is 01:05:30 Zoom didn't say, well, hold on, guys, we'll get right with you. We got a couple of glitches. They were ready. I mean, Corona hit. Boom, Zoom entered the equation. Just talking about being ready. But the one thing, and this is kind of shifting topics here, is I read that letter that Seinfeld wrote about New York.

Starting point is 01:05:45 Yeah. And one thing that stuck out to me, we're talking about Zoom. We're talking about remote. Can I pull up the Seinfeld letter? We're talking about Zoom. We're talking about remote. We're talking about logging in. We're talking about all that fun stuff.

Starting point is 01:05:56 Something that Seinfeld just, people are calling for the death of New York City. Nothing beats just real life, human interaction. Could you imagine if we were doing this and it was all via Zoom? Yeah, maybe people get, you know, a different experience. But there is something special about sitting in a room, being with people. Like, let's not forget about that.

Starting point is 01:06:14 As amazing as Zoom is, nothing beats human interaction. I don't disagree. I don't disagree at all. But I think the speed of delivery and messaging and how you can conduct now business internationally through Zoom, I just don't think this is going away. I think people know doubt. No doubt. People are going away. That's for sure. Look, we grew got 174% we grew July to July. If you take zoom out we're not growing 174% how to held that we grow 174% July to July. Zoom has got a lot to do with it and

Starting point is 01:06:43 you're hearing a lot of success stories with other people that are doing the same thing as well. By the way, Joe Rogan to Spotify. You guys heard about what happened when he went to Spotify. Yeah, I'm sure about this. Did you guys hear about what happened with Spotify? So Rogan goes to Spotify, okay? This was last week. Kai keeps reminding me, hey, he's leaving, he's leaving.

Starting point is 01:06:58 And he even show me his new set, which is sick. I don't know if you've seen his new set, Rogan's new set, really cool new set. If you want to put it up and show it. We can put that up, Kai. Yeah, I like,'ve seen his new set Rogan's new set really cool new set if you want to put it up and show Yeah, I like I love his new set. He's got Obviously, it's here in Austin is it press the new suppress images. Let's see if Images Right there. That's one that's second right there

Starting point is 01:07:19 So that's kind of how they're putting this set to get it's not over with yet Obviously they have the new one you can see I think on his Instagram post, but that's kind of what they're putting together pretty cool What they're doing at is Austin I think as I thought it would be let's well, it's pretty creative. It's creative The way he's got it But go go to the go to the data that came back about his podcast on Spotify So it's it came back the full list of missing episodes on Spotify. Okay. Oh, and Smith a bunch of different names Alex Jones is missing. Okay. You got Gavin McGuinness is missing Alex Jones and Eddie Bravo's missing Milo Yanapolis is missing another Gavin McGuinness is missing another Milo's missing.

Starting point is 01:08:04 Did you see that that's right?'s right a so Adam the bravo Adam sometimes talk about conspiracy theories he's missing Dave Asperger is missing you got you got a lot of people that's missing you know huh Steve Greer what's the what's the theme here I am hopeful that Rogan's attorneys when they did this contract they did it in a way where Rogan was free to keep all the things that he talks about on. Because if they control him, I don't think Rogan's the kind of guy that's going to be okay with that. I just don't think it's going to work out with Rogan. But you cannot put a Tasmanian devil in a cage.

Starting point is 01:08:42 You cannot do that with a guy like that. Rogan's got opinions. He's gonna get his opinions heard. I mean, his deal was a hundred million. It's not like he wasn't making a lot of money. Or he probably could have made close to that. Did you remember what Bill Simmons from ESPN then he started the ringer? You know what he sold to Spotify? 200 million.

Starting point is 01:08:56 200 million. I'm gonna leave Bill Simmons. Is that the one right? I can't. Bill Simmons is more than a robot. He had a network of podcasts through the ringer. So there's multiple and he had a lot of people. Yeah, he made 200 million. Bill Simmons. What are the knowing guys in sports by the bill Simmons very annoying

Starting point is 01:09:08 But he probably guy though no one's I didn't say he's not brilliant. Why is he annoying because What I mean by you know is not from my end sports people in sports get annoyed by Bill Simmons because he says the most random things Well, and he sticks to it and you have to time. He's wrong. Half the time I should have realized with Bill Simmons. Oh, yeah, I guarantee that this was gonna happen. But guess who else does that? Charles Barkley does it. Oh, you know, the place is lovable. Sweet.

Starting point is 01:09:33 Oh, yeah, but you see him mop and floor and sweeping. And the thing about Bill Simmons, you know, Bill started as the sports guy in Boston. So he did a Yahoo.com blog, right? So he was the anti-media guy, because I was working in Boston at the time at Fox. And he hated on on air TV people. He was always ripping us and just making fun of us in his blog.

Starting point is 01:09:53 He had a cult like following then he went to ESPN. You know, people loved him for his writing. And then now he was ahead of the game though. I got to give him credit in 2014. He understood what was going on with the blog or with the podcast and really got to go on at ESPN. And then when he started the ring or that with the blog or with the podcast and really got it going at ESPN. And then when he started the ringer, that was the main part of their business. I think the print or the online version of the articles is just, you know, to support

Starting point is 01:10:11 it, but 200,000. But, you know, I guess you need a deep dive to just see what everybody was talking about here on these episodes with with Roga. But there's nothing he wanted no going into this new deal with Spotify, right? Yeah, that's the deal, you know, I'm a little concerned about that because I don't know about not keeping those on. Those are some of the best ones he's done that the viewers were talking

Starting point is 01:10:29 about you're gonna take those off because he's country. They took off the one where Joey Diaz says what he used to do with comedians back in the days. I don't know if you've heard that. Female lady comedians. Female lady say you'd come and do this

Starting point is 01:10:38 and you get 10 minutes to talk and they took that one down. I think the common theme here is they took off the controversial stuff. This isn't a left or right thing. Because you got Nick Crowell on there who's a liberal Hollywood actor. You've got Jordan Peterson, I think they took off as well. Joey Diaz comedian.

Starting point is 01:10:57 I don't think this is a political thing, but I think it's just a controversial thing. They don't want. Well, that's the whole thing though. But that's the whole thing. So you can't create controversial content on Spotify. Then is that what Spotify is brand in itself as sure? And you can not just talk about anything on Spotify. And they're going to be forced now to answer this question. Don't you think? Yeah, I think they have to have some sort of statement. I think they would. What does it say on the top right? Rogan's podcast is

Starting point is 01:11:21 moving exclusive Spotify after signing a hundred million dollar deal and the fans are not happy about what episodes are being left behind during the transition. Just to be clear, we're not going to see any Rogan on YouTube moving forward. Only short clips based on what Kai's telling me. I heard December. December, December, it goes 100% Spotify, meaning you're not going to find him at all. Only ads, only ads, but it's 100% on Spotify. And by the way, the one thing I like about Spotify, that, you know, I hope YouTube does this.

Starting point is 01:11:57 I kind of like the 3.0 speed that they have. Some people can listen to stuff, 3.0 speed and Spotify has 3.0. 3.0, Pat. 3.0 speed. You know, a logical reason these are there I mean possibly maybe Rogan couldn't afford those you haul charges and get that extra truck to move out of California to Texas so we have to leave those tapes you got to give all the credit

Starting point is 01:12:15 back to Gavin News governor knew something you know when you're that special you that special you know you have a whole did you answer the chances that you're leaving California I think we skipped over that what are the chances you're leaving California it it think we skipped over that. What are the chances you're leaving California? It's painful to think about because California, you know, is a place that people love when they're there. Listen, I tell you.

Starting point is 01:12:32 What about you? I keep it all my options open. He said slim to none. What are the chances you're leaving California? Good, good, eventually. Hi, yeah, probably. You're gonna leave California. I haven't likely.

Starting point is 01:12:43 You know, there's a good chance. I mean, who knows? But I would have been haven't likely you know there's a good chance. I mean who knows But I would have been a firm and emphatic no five months ago 100% no way ever Yeah, never nothing would drive me on a california california. So the coronavirus exposed But I'm gonna go I'm gonna call it did you hear about what happened with the church who's that one pastor? MacArthur MacArthur John MacArthur who's the big pastor in LA, if you can look him up, he's been, they've been leasing their church from LA County

Starting point is 01:13:11 for 45 years, okay? And so they did their service, I just type in MacArthur, type in MacArthur, MacArthur, you were in the right direction, MacArthur, THUR, Kai, THUR, Kai, oh my gosh, CHI just type in, you had it. MacArthur pastor LA, LA. Okay, there we go. Then go to news, go to news, top the Diego news. There's

Starting point is 01:13:41 no pandemic, no, no, no, got it. Okay, here's what happened. Mayor Garcetti, you know what they're doing? So he opened up his church and he says, you can't do anything with me on the church. I can open up and have my members come in and see this. He goes against all the laws of California. And he says, you cannot tell me not to do this. They've had a 45-year lease in LA. And you know what Garcetti does? They're not canceling his lease. And they took away his parking spots. So, maybe I can just say, you know what Garcetti does?

Starting point is 01:14:05 They're not canceling his lease and they took away his parking spots, so members couldn't go there and they said you don't have the lease anymore. So they took it away from him. This is ugly stuff. This is ugly stuff and that's what California is doing. And you know, they think they can get away with it.

Starting point is 01:14:20 The best part about competition is I love that this is happening because when you are number one, okay, California says we are the five number five economy in the world. That's a, when you become number one, a couple of things follow when you become number one. If you're not too careful, arrogance comes, you think you're untouchable comes, and anytime you act arrogant, pompous, and you think you're untouchable, you officially have a target on you from many people. That's what's happened with California right now. And people are gonna be exploiting that Nasta.

Starting point is 01:14:49 By the way, some bad news for you. I don't know if you heard about the bad news. There's always bad news for you. I don't know what the fun just does. Did you guys hear about this? Paul's not gonna like this too much. Paul is gonna be furious about this. Moving forward, Pakistan is no longer accepting dating apps

Starting point is 01:15:02 like Tinder and Grindr. It's done. So Paul E is done. Paul, if you're listening, Pakistan, no more accepting dating, dating apps like Tinder and Grindr. It's done. So Paul E is done. Paul, if you're listening, Pakistan, no more Grindr, no more Tinder for him. Put down the pizza, Paul, put down the video games. Done. I've worried about that guy.

Starting point is 01:15:15 And on top of that, this is one of the things I'm very proud of India. I am so excited about India. We just hired a couple more Indian engineers here. From India, one of them lived in the slums of India. She's not working with us. She's a beast and the other analysts, we heard they're both beast.

Starting point is 01:15:29 I've seen them. Quality, quality guys. India, bands, 118 Chinese apps, flat out bands, okay, 118 apps, India bands. India's publicly just saying, we don't wanna have anything to do with you. We chat, you know, we chat, you ever heard of We chat? No longer in India.

Starting point is 01:15:53 They banned 118 Chinese apps and state-of-mate issued by India's Ministry of Electronics and Information Technology. He said, this decision is a targeted move to ensure safety, security, and sovereignty of Indian cyberspace. What a thing to do and what a thing to say.

Starting point is 01:16:13 Do you think India's trying to say, we're not afraid of China, we want to compete and do something and take over China? I don't know, it's gonna be a lot of work for them to do that, but they're heading the right direction. Shout out to India. Sure, I think they're basically saying, we're heading the right direction. Shout out to him. Sure. I think they're basically saying we're skeptical of any Chinese app that's probably stealing

Starting point is 01:16:29 our data, spying on us and we're not going to give them that advantage anymore. Right? Wipe it out. Do you take it as a message or do you just take it as they're just trying to make sure cyber space is good? No, no, no, no, it's a message. Cyber security. I think it's all the above.

Starting point is 01:16:41 I mean, if there's one thing I know about Patrick Beddavid. There's one thing I know. Here we go. He wants to push back against China. Here we go. I mean, am I wrong on that? I mean, you think China is coming for America. Clearly, this is your, other than taxes these days, other than potential exit taxes,

Starting point is 01:16:56 China number one on your agenda. Let me ask you. And I don't disagree with that. Okay, there you go. I know you're going with that. Yeah. I have a agree with you on that. But am I wrong in saying that?

Starting point is 01:17:04 No, I do. Absolutely not. I agree with you. So you like this. Yeah, I have a great with you on that. But am I wrong in saying that? No, I absolutely not. I agree with you. So you like this. When you see news like this, you like this. I love the fact that India's not afraid. Yes. I love the fact that India's not afraid and they're making a statement.

Starting point is 01:17:16 That's what I love about what India's doing right now. I love the fact that they're not afraid and they're saying, you know what the hell with you? Here's what we're doing. We're not okay with this. We're not okay with what you're doing. There's no way in the world we're going to support some like this. I don't know. I'm all for it. I like the fact that they're, you know, standing strong to China

Starting point is 01:17:30 and they're not scared of them. You mentioned the other day, you know, obviously you lean a little bit pro capitalism, pro right on the on the agenda. I am 100% capital. 100% everything else. I'm open to debate. I'm 100% cap. And I brought up the other day. You said, whoever's tougher on China is who I would vote for. So I gave an example. I said, you know, on a democratic side. Yes.

Starting point is 01:17:50 If you have Tulsi Gabbard on the left, hypothetically, everybody hypothetically, on the democratic side, and you have someone like John Kasek on the right who is a little more moderate, you would vote for the Democrat who is harder on china stricter on china than a republican there's no question about it if i don't know if i have if tolcy gabbert is running against case six a case except the republican nominee and tolcy gabbert's the democratic nominee so here's a

Starting point is 01:18:17 uh... woman who is served in a military i think sixteen years and she's been around for a while even though she's younger she's got she's energetic thirty nine years old thirty nine years old but a while, even though she's younger, she's got, she's energetic. 39 years old. 39 years old, but it wasn't a military. She served and Hillary can't stand her, which is a big sign for Republicans, because Hillary and her went into the biggest feud. I don't know if you remember this,

Starting point is 01:18:36 when she said she, was owned by Russia. She's owned by Russia and her famous line and all this stuff. The person who's owned by Russia claims everybody else is owned by Russia. So interesting. When people make comments like that. Well, she would probably know She would probably know and Talsi's like wait a minute and Talsi came back the next day and boom or video went off

Starting point is 01:18:54 Got millions of views. I like Talsi's You know, she's got a back point. She's strong and if she's against China going against case again Case it says let's make China work and drop the tariffs. Yeah, I'm probably going to need to talk to China, though, at this point. Who's like, not about pro-China? Because who is for sale? This is not about who's pro-China.

Starting point is 01:19:13 Who's for sale? Because China is willing to buy. Look, when Biden wanted to, when years ago, Biden voted to bring China in the World Trade Organization, why would you bring China in the World Trade Organization. Why would you bring China into the World Trade Organization while they're doing everything they can to take all your inventory and your technology and all your patents away from you? What do you mean bring them into the World Trade Organization and get away with crime? Who the hell would want to bring somebody like China into the

Starting point is 01:19:40 World Trade Organization? They're not friends and allies with you. They're not on your side. They don't think the way you do. They simply want to take everything from you and be held accountable for nothing. So by the voted for. I mean, yeah, of course, when you're saying who is for China, it's not about who is for China. It's about when you go into the negotiation room

Starting point is 01:19:58 and the doors are closed, who do I trust in that room? Because when you go into the negotiation, the cameras are not there. I don't see the cameras Who's gonna be pushing them and when you come out of the meeting you watch to see who's upset? If you come out at a meeting and you see China's got the biggest smile on their face Yes, what that means they got what they want if China comes out and they're angry at Trump Okay, good. I kind of like that a little bit because it deals probably not happening because he's not giving up the tariffs.

Starting point is 01:20:29 So it's not about a who's for China, who's not? It's who doesn't have the backbone to go and stand up against a regime. That powerful, that just invested $400 billion into Iran that is doing an economic hitman job on Africa that is buying up land to own Africa that is buying up it land to own Iran. China. China wants to indirectly own the oil in Iran. People are not seeing this stuff. This this stuff that's taking place. I had a conversation. I don't if I told you guys on the pocket. I don't think I told them on the pocket. I had a call last week with a very powerful military general. Did I tell you about the story or not? I don't know.

Starting point is 01:21:03 Very private. How should I put this? Private conversation with a very powerful general from Shah's military. Okay, he's in his 80s. We had a very strong conversation together last week. And we talked about what are your thoughts about China investing $400 billion in Iran? He says if Iranian people don't understand and do something about this and turn this down, Iran's gonna be owned by China for the next few decades. Just like how UK owned Iran for decades,

Starting point is 01:21:32 when they first had that oil company that was owned by UK and eventually OPEC, you know, this whole thing became British, petroleum, and you know, all that stuff started with a partnership of Iran. Yeah, I don't trust anybody that can be bought in this four-cell with China. What can the Iranian people even do though? What can the Iranian people do?

Starting point is 01:21:51 What do you mean what can the Iranian people do? Meaning there's a gotta such a story. Protest, protest, protest. Protest, protest, protest. What has that led to in Iran over there? It led to revolution in 1979. I'm saying recently. No, what I'm saying to you is that 1970, 1979,

Starting point is 01:22:06 if you didn't want the Shah, he left. If you got that kind of a backbone, won't you do it again? Well, didn't they try to do that somewhat recently? Yes, and it wasn't, no, they stopped. They tried to do it and it stopped. And but here's the other part. I believe if they do it this time around

Starting point is 01:22:22 and they continue, I do believe Trump will help them Because I don't think Trump is okay with China trying to own Iran. I don't think so and I think Trump will support the Iranian people The Iranian people now with the government why would the regime Like just think about it from the regime Where they what are they thinking when they're accepting 400 billion dollars? What's the word for sale. Okay. But you are for sale. If you're taking $400 billion from China, you're telling your people of Iran, you're for sale.

Starting point is 01:22:52 How are they spinning it to the people? I don't know. I'm not up on Iranian politics. How are these? It's very easy. How you spin it to people. Okay. Remember when we had Naomi Park on a couple of weeks ago

Starting point is 01:23:01 and she did the interview, she's the one that escaped North Korea. When she was, she was bought as a virgin for $200. Eventually went to South Korea and it came over here. Gave a talk at 50 million views and 24 hours. And she's going to be here today. We're going to have lunch with her today, by the way. You guys will get a chance to meet her.

Starting point is 01:23:15 She's going to be here today. And we're going to potentially do some kind of collaborations with her. But I'm excited about her being here today. So when I was talking to her and I said, so tell me why is North Korea able to do what they're doing right now? I said, who has North Korea's back? China.

Starting point is 01:23:32 China. So let me get the straight. The same country that invested in Iran, $400 billion has North Korea's back. Wait, what? Yeah, right. You have North Korea's back. Wait, what? Yeah, right. You have North Korea's back and you invest into Iran and the Iranian government is willing to accept $400 billion. Yeah, and that's a problem.

Starting point is 01:23:56 And then did you see how China is going to double their nuclear arsenal in the next we use? North Korea just said the same thing. Do the Iranian people have the ability to pull it off though? Is ruthless as that regime is? And to whatever levels they would go to squash it. It would be very... No, no, no, it's not about, I don't think they do. Listen, never underestimate the power of people. I need battery here.

Starting point is 01:24:17 No underestimate the power of people. And they would need the full support of the US, which they potentially could get. Under Trump, they would. Not under Biden, they would not. But under Trump, they would they would, not under Biden they would not, but under Trump they would. So, you know, when you talk in China, that's where I go with China.

Starting point is 01:24:30 You got to be very, very careful with China. You got to keep an eye out. Again, goes back to the same thing. Russia told you they're tough guys, and don't mess with them. China doesn't tell you. China uses prox. You got to be careful with that.

Starting point is 01:24:41 By the way, a couple of things with sports. Zlatin, whom I'm a very big fan of, if you've not watched his documentary, you got to watch it with that by the way couple of things with sports Zlatan whom I'm a very big fan of if you've not watched his documentary got to watch it he's going back to AC Milan. He's going back to AC Milan. Uh, by the way one of the coolest things in the documentary I was telling you about to watch is kid is 16 17 years old. Yeah. He's gone with his agent, his manager who's in his late 40s early 50s to sign a contract. His manager is nervous before signing the contract and he tells us manager this 17 year kid says won't you act like you've been here before come down

Starting point is 01:25:09 that that's the it factor right I mean he had it at the end of the 70 why don't you act like you've been here before and and the manager listen to him right like you like you got to watch this and by the way I know Messi said he's leaving he wants to go to Manchester There's a lot of stuff going on MBA you had Chris Paul and them lost with the whole Referee delay of game you had the other side the bucks are down to Denver Advances with two points. Yeah interesting things going on

Starting point is 01:25:42 Denver series. We won't go to in David sports. Well, I'm gonna draw what people is all our listeners over here. But you know what for you you've been in the sports world your entire career Pretty much you did some stuff with Jordan when you were covering the Bulls. How was it working with Michael Jordan? It was unbelievable really. I mean to this day I mean there never Anything I could do that will Cap that or do anything and then just watching the last dance it was Crazy because I was in the middle of all that for three years

Starting point is 01:26:06 I arrived in Chicago when I was working for NBC the day Rodman did basically so the first thing I did was cover that press conference So it was unbelievable Crazy story give us a crazy story, you know what? It's just because I work for the NBC station, you know We were able to be around the bulls even more because the games were on our channel You know just being able to interact with Michael in times that you wanted and people go, what's he like? I mean, he is literally amazingly cool.

Starting point is 01:26:31 I mean, I think that came across in the documentary that he's nice to people. He dealt with the media. He cared. I mean, clearly it was all because social media wasn't there, but we also hosted a show on Sunday nights with Dennis Rodman, okay, which was probably the number one show in Chicago every Sunday night after the tentacle news and Rodman would come on these shows, you know,

Starting point is 01:26:50 drunk, okay. Oh, so, okay, so you know, Rodman was there because you could smell Benny Hanna in the building. So he would come from Benny Hanna, him in Carmen Electra, they would do their thing after a game. So we would do it in May, right? That's when the shows would be live. We used to do it at Michael Jordan's restaurant. So Rodman would show up, he'd smell Benny Hanna, he'd drop his wallet and you'd see all his cash,

Starting point is 01:27:15 he'd throw it on the table, and then he'd go do his appearances. I mean, just some random stories about him. Just go, you know, we had the opportunity to go out with him. You know, a party with Rodman, he would drink kamikazis by the dozen and just pound them. He'd order him by the dozen. He'd stack him up. He'd crush him. He'd be out until 3 a.m.

Starting point is 01:27:31 And then he'd make practice. So we used to do the show live at Denna at Michael Jordan's restaurant. And this is in May during sweeps, right? Where you try to save your best best shows and craze. I saw Jenny McCarthy was at the bulls game that afternoon, right? They were playing, they were playing the heat in the playoffs. And I saw Jenny go, Jenny, once you come by, Michael right? They were playing they're playing the heat in the playoffs and I saw Jenny go Jenny once you come by Michael George's restaurant tonight, you know, we'll do the show. Okay. All right. You know That's what she was doing that NBC sitcom that she had so what happened was the NBA playoffs got pushed a little bit late that They saw a show didn't start to 11 that meant Robin could drink more, okay? So he shows up he shows up at Michael George's restaurant in a Chicago police officer uniform with his hands handcuffed to himself. Now the other funny thing

Starting point is 01:28:08 is Jay Leno was in town doing his shows live in Chicago at the state theater the whole week so we had him on the show that night too. So Rodman did the whole show with his hands handcuffed to himself. So as they were about to start the show the Florida and this is a live audience at Michael Jordan's restaurant. If this story gets boring, tell me. But they start doing the countdown. Five, okay, guys, you're on it. Five, four, Rodman turns, turns, he goes, bro, I am so effing wasted, except he used the

Starting point is 01:28:35 word. That's what he said, right? And you're live. Something the show starts, he starts talking trash about Pat Riley doing this and that. We had Jenny McCarthy on there. He was doing some inappropriate things. But at the end of the show, we brought Jay Leno out because it was his birthday.

Starting point is 01:28:47 So we took this big sheet cake we got for him. And Leno stuck his face in it and goes, ah, like that, right? And then Rodman did the same thing. So Rodman sticks his face in the cake, does this, and then falls back. All of a sudden, you hear all these glasses shatter. He broke, we broke like 20 wine glasses

Starting point is 01:29:03 at Michael Jordan's restaurant. Needless to say, the next week we were doing the show at Planet Hollywood. No more. Yeah, Jordan's out of the shop. Typical Tuesday night. Dennis Rodman's just last week while we're doing our conference. Ricky's here. Ricky says, hey, my cousin was at a nightclub this last week and look who she, who, look who was at the nightclub. I said, who shows me picture, Rodman getting hammered. Just last week. Rodden and Trudeau, can I tell you one Rodden's story and I got a picture to back it up.

Starting point is 01:29:28 So my son who was six years old at the time was obsessed with the bulls because he knew I worked there and he just loved everything about Michael. He played that song Adam right then for the bulls intro. So my son got down the perfect Ray Clay impersonation at six years old.

Starting point is 01:29:42 Hey, no, they're starting a lot for Yershik Hogan, but right so we did that. We, with that song in the background. So we were staying at a hotel in Newport and my son goes, hey, did you think we'll see any celebrity? He's like, who knows? Who knows? Dasha, Kobe lives here. You never know who we're running here.

Starting point is 01:29:56 Robbins around here. I'm checking in. My wife was around the corner. She goes, you never believe who's here. Rodman. So he walked through Rodman's stand because Rodman lived in Newport. You'd always see him in an in-orn town. Yeah, I know exactly Rodman lived in Newport. You'd always see him in the Inorgin town.

Starting point is 01:30:05 Yeah, I know exactly where he lived in Newport. Right. So we were staying at the island hotel. I go, well, let's go see Rodman. Let's go see him. We check in, and it was 11 o'clock in the morning, maybe 11.30. And we go back by the pool and in this backroom,

Starting point is 01:30:17 he's sitting at this private table with four coolgers for lack of a better word. Just cool. Love in everything that he was saying, these laughing at everything he said, I go back to, I was like, and he was probably a little tipsy. I go, Dennis, hey, I want to say hi.

Starting point is 01:30:29 My son's, this is dash, man, likes to like her hat. So we go, hey, Dennis, remember Chicago back in the day? I think he kind of remembered or whatever. So all of a sudden I go, hey, Dennis, my son can do the bulls impersonation of Ray Clay doing it. He goes, play it. I had the song on my phone, so we do it.

Starting point is 01:30:45 And then my son does the whole thing and then he goes, as far from Southeast Oklahoma, snake you points at Rob. But Rob love you, buddy. Yeah. So show the picture. Kite, you have that. So that's Rodman at 11 o'clock on a son on a like

Starting point is 01:31:00 you see a bunch of nice milking coffee on the table. That's good. What's in his hand? Sold good. What's in his hand? That's your son right there. Yeah, lovely family. That's cool. Anyway, we're Robin's the coolest thing about these things Man, when you when you're in the sports world, you got a lot of great stories with that But you know as we're going to wrap up here. I'm trying to see what story to pick. I got a few them C.D.C Let's talk about CDC I don't know if you guys saw the reports or not, okay, Adam I'm gonna go to you first. Oh, yeah, yeah, so reports came out. I don't know if you guys are listening to this if you heard about the CDC reports

Starting point is 01:31:35 Okay, kind of you want to pull it up so we can see one of the articles as well Covid cases decrease from CDC on their their site, by the way. On their site, on their site, I'm sure you'll figure out which one it is yet. This pays. It may take us a couple of weeks when Kai's on it, but we will get it. Okay. 94% of all the deaths from COVID-19, other conditions are listed in addition to COVID-19. These causes may include chronic conditions like diabetes or hypertension, Anderson said in the statement provided to CNN by CDC.

Starting point is 01:32:11 In 6% of the deaths certificate that lists COVID-19, only one cause or condition is listed. The underlying cause of death is a condition that began the chain of events that ultimately led to the persons that 92% of all the deaths mentioned COVID-19, COVID-19 lists as the underlying cause of death on 6% of those, which means what? Out of everybody that died, only 6% COVID was the main and only case.

Starting point is 01:32:37 94% there was other causes. So when they said COVID has killed, this many people have died because of COVID, it's not the main cause. It's what they had when they died due to other reasons as well. Thoughts. Pat, we should be outraged as America is saying this.

Starting point is 01:32:56 I mean, we should be revolting about this. This is disgusting. It's destroying the country, the stuff that we're believing in. I take the Kirk Cousins approach for the Minnesota Vikings. I respect it. I'm not living in fear in it. I'll give you two quick stories. A business partner, a good friend of mine,

Starting point is 01:33:11 is a very renowned plastic surgeon. To me, this is the meetings they have that when they do autopsies, they test for COVID. If you test positive, no matter if you died of a gunshot wound, a car accident, or cancer, you will be listed that you died of COVID. Fact. Number two, have a very good friend in California that her and some other people went to go get tested just to see, right?

Starting point is 01:33:32 They went to the VA to do it because they could do it there, the free, it was free, et cetera. So the line was so long, they filled out their paperwork when they got there, but the line was so long they bailed. A week later, they get a positive COVID test result in the mail, even though they didn't take the test. So none of this stuff surprises me. I think we should be way, way, way more outraged at these stories than we are.

Starting point is 01:33:55 Well, I tell you what, we had a couple of our guys that got tested in California, okay? And the wife came up positive, the husband came up negative, and the wife's like, I promise you, I have, I don't have anything. So she flies to Florida. When she flies to Florida, she gets tested that same morning when she flies to Florida.

Starting point is 01:34:15 Guess what the results come out? Come out in Florida. Within 12 hours, the results are negative. And then you heard the 75 NFL players that were falsely tested positive, you know, and nobody talked about it. Just all of a sudden was like, let's not bring it up. It was how many Pittsburgh Steelers Steelers? 19 or something.

Starting point is 01:34:33 19 Steelers tested positive. And you know, the media wanted to just run with that. Let's shut down the NFL because of this. Even though it wasn't true. I mean, it's terrible. Yeah. And then you got the whole story coming back. The rock just announced that himself.

Starting point is 01:34:44 Yes. It's entire family. They had COVID and they recovered from it. I think that you said the Kirk cousins comment very quickly. Can you say it slowly so everybody can catch what he said? So yesterday or, you know, earlier this week, whenever you're listening to this Kirk cousins, well, actually he did it on a podcast. The quarterback for the Minnesota Viking. Right. He did it on a podcast with Kyle brand of the NFL network, a popular podcast that he has. And when COVID came up, you know, he's, uh, Kirk's a very Christian, uh, very faith driven individual. And he said, Hey, I don't live in fear of this. I would prefer not. I just, I'll respect the fact that I have to wear it. But hey, if

Starting point is 01:35:18 I die, I die, right? Meaning like he's going to live his life. How he has to, he's not going to be, you know, um, flaunting it and try to get it or anything. He's got enough faith where he thinks, you know, maybe this, according to the data that I have access to, this isn't as bad. So I died. So we got ripped for that. So then they had to move his media appearance up one day so he could, so he could kind of like fix that statement a little bit.

Starting point is 01:35:39 He didn't backpedal from it too much. But, you know, what's wrong? Why can't you just say, hey, I do respect it. It's out there, it's real, but I'm not afraid of it. You know, and at some point we have to loosen some of the restrictions that we're all living under. And if data from the CDC comes out like this, shouldn't that change some of the, shouldn't it that lifts some of these

Starting point is 01:35:59 things that we've had to live under for a long time? I'm just going to take it back to the conversation we had literally less than a week ago. And with Matt, Ricky, we were sitting back there in auto one of the used names. So we got our conversation or not that's a guy when we're sitting back here. Yeah. And the you and Ricky were going at it. It was more of a frickey was just asking me a million different questions.

Starting point is 01:36:19 Yeah. But both of them had very entertaining. Yeah. Great guy. Great guy. Wildman hates capitalism. That's right. It's a complete socialist. Loves capitalism.

Starting point is 01:36:30 But they both had COVID. Both of them. And I asked Matt, I mean, not to put their shit out there, but I was like, so is it real? Like tell me he's like dude, they'd kicked a shit out of me. But you know, a handful of days later, I was back up to speed. You know, we obviously have our friend Paul E. He's getting another shout out here. He was out of commission for

Starting point is 01:36:50 a few weeks kicked a shit out of him. But Ricky said something that was pretty profound. He goes, yeah, I had it too, man. This is no joke. But you know what I, you know what I discovered from this? And he basically kind of tented me to this. It's take care of yourself, bro. Like, lose weight. If you're 350 pounds, you better lose some weight. If you've got diabetes, you got to do something about that. If you've got, you know, all these underlying conditions, those are the people that this is truly affecting. If you're just a sloppy person, not living your best life,

Starting point is 01:37:20 not being healthy, get it together, because COVID can come around and kick the shit out of you. But for the most part, if you're living a healthy lifestyle, you're taking care of your health, health is wealth. You'll get the shit kicked out of you with COVID for a handful of days, for a week, you can bounce back. I think that's the bottom line, is it not? It is, but the whole topic here was that 94%

Starting point is 01:37:48 of the reasons people died, the number one reason wasn't COVID. They happened to have COVID. Underlying conditions. Underlying conditions. Which means the data to be, oh my gosh, for example, my dad is 78 years old. Couple years ago, he was hospitalized for two weeks, okay? Because he had heart issues and he had pneumonia at the same time. When he went to the hospital, the doctors were like ready, this something could go down

Starting point is 01:38:13 and this could be, so I want everybody to visit this guy. 76 year old should not be having pneumonia. It's not something that if a 70, you know what it is when you, I don't know if you had pneumonia or not, I've had it before. I don't know if you had had bronchitis before. had it before. I don't know if you had bronchitis before. It kicks your ass if you had any of those two, right? So what happens? You gotta take the right probiotics,

Starting point is 01:38:31 you gotta take the right vitamins, you gotta figure out a way to stay strong. But this data is manipulative. This is putting fear into the American people as a form of a tactic to get people to be scared. And it got people to agree to shut down and stay home. Jobs were lost. Tens of millions of jobs were lost because people thought they were going to die from COVID.

Starting point is 01:38:54 And they're not saying, hey, we made a mistake. We had some false reporting here. This is a strategy, right? I mean, these decisions were made to report it this way. Let me just ask a question. This is more in general. This is obviously CDC here in America. CDC is here in America.

Starting point is 01:39:08 Okay, cool. Got that. What's the rest of the world saying about this? Because it's not like COVID's different in, you know, Europe than it is in America than in America. The rest of the world doesn't care about CDC. The CDC is US. Right, correct.

Starting point is 01:39:20 But what do they say? They're economies are in shambles. They've shut down. China's moved on. Do you know why China's moved on? Yeah. Do you know why China's moved on? Yeah. Do you know why China's moved on? Actually think about why China's moved on.

Starting point is 01:39:30 Actually think about why China's moved on. They released the, they said a hundred days COVID-free China and CNBC keeps putting it on their Instagram post. Why do you think China's a hundred days COVID-free? Why? Because they're not reporting the truth. Because there is no free press. You don't have the freedom to press.

Starting point is 01:39:50 What do you mean it's 100? How do you know it's 100 days free? You don't have an NBC, no box, BBC, they're now. So yeah, you believing the stat, so when I see CNN, I'm not talking about China. Yeah, but what I'm saying,

Starting point is 01:40:02 every other country, on China. CNBC is a credible channel. I mean, this is CMBC. When they say China's now officially 100 days COVID-free, how to help you know, and you're essentially saying you trust the data. How do you know? Adam, I think you know, point is, you know, maybe a thousand people did die, but not 90,000.

Starting point is 01:40:18 Yeah. And if that's what they're saying, that is a real problem. No one's saying COVID doesn't't exist or it's not dangerous or you shouldn't take some sort of precautions. But 94% of them actually didn't die of the disease. And that's that's like unfathomable. You know, something here's the other part. I mean, we can we can go past the CDC. This last one I want to bring up because my friend Jose sent me this. He says, Hey, Pat, you may want to talk about this. This what's going on California right now. Okay. Let me look

Starting point is 01:40:44 it up. At first when he sent me to post, I'm like, Pat, you may want to talk about this. This what's going on California right now. I said, Okay, let me look it up. At first when he sent me to post, I'm like, there's no way I believe this thing here. Then I went deeper. I said, wait a minute. This actually happened. So I don't know if you heard about the California Senate bill 145. You and I briefly talked about it, right? So kind of if you want to pull this up, by the way, when I tell you this, at first, you are not going to be. I didn't understand it. I'm so I mean, I can't run my head around this. Yeah, so this is a bill in California state, Senate that was passed would leave the decision

Starting point is 01:41:09 of whether individuals convicted of particular sex crimes involving minors must be registered as sex offenders to the discretion of the court, meaning. The bill would not shield anyone from the requirement to register as a sex offender. Rather, it would leave the decision in eligible cases to the discretion of the presiding judge. It would allow a sex offender who lures a minor with the intent to commit a felony sex act, the ability to escape registering as a sex offender as long as the offender is within 10 years of the age of the minor. So if a 21 year old gets together with a 12 year old girl,

Starting point is 01:41:50 that's not a sex offender. It's freaking ridiculous. If a 2021 and 12, as long as it's 10 years, okay, this is California. And by the way, this is all out there. So a big part of it is on protecting the LGBTQ community. They're using that as a method of protecting them. I've never heard of a bill before and the senator is a state senator, Scott Weiner from San Francisco, Democrat Assemblyman Susan. Defend your people. Stop. You're in California.

Starting point is 01:42:19 What's going on? You guys, Cara, if I just make one quick show, you call You all yeah, I'll take two 26 footers Yeah, they'll be going east. Yeah, next Thursday. Okay, hang on what the hell's going on here Tom? Hey, I can't defend these guys don't make me speak for them. It's unbelievable Did you know this? No, I didn't know it until you mentioned it is unbelievable 145 California And you know what and you know with all the other stuff going on in the world something like this can sneak under the radar, right? What other? What I was anybody voting for out there. Okay, I can understand I don't want the you know The police to come and get me I can understand if you're talking about a 27 year old and a 17 year old cool They're doing some weird stuff, you know LGBT

Starting point is 01:42:59 You're talking about a 22 year old and a 12 year old. You're talking about a 19 or a nine year old What the fuck are we talking about here? That's what are we talking about here? That's what they're talking about a 22 year old and a 12 year old. You're talking about a 19 year old and a nine year old. What the fuck are we talking about here? That's what we're talking about here. That's what they're talking about. It's ridiculous. 19 and a nine year old, if it's less than 10 years, you're not a sexist. What are we talking about here?

Starting point is 01:43:15 How is someone passing this? That's California. I don't understand this. So you ask the question. Listen, I have friends who are Armenian, who are having their mom, their dad. Glendale is Armenian County. Glendale is the second Armenian of the world.

Starting point is 01:43:29 I mean, everybody in Glendale is Army. You know this, you go to Glendale. Everyone's Armenian. If you live in Glendale for too long, you will look Armenian. That's how Armenian Glendale is, right? Matter of fact, I'm not Armenian, I'm not.

Starting point is 01:43:39 I'm not. But Armenians in Glendale, who will not leave their parents, who will not leave their families, who will not leave their 22 cousins that they have live in in California, their flat autonomy, I can't do this anymore and everyone's losing it. What the hell is going on over here?

Starting point is 01:44:01 This is some strange things right here, man, when this happens. This is freaky, deaky, like insane stuff. Here's the scary thing that you so out of the box. By the way, if anybody's watching this, have any one of you guys been following the story, Senate Bill 143, 145, if you have been comment below on how you feel about it, go ahead to it. No, I was just going to say, even introducing a bill like this should get you knocked out

Starting point is 01:44:25 or voted out or something, but then to actually get it across and get it passed. It's... And ironically, it's sponsored by Senator Scott Wiener. Susan... When you're in entire life, you can call the Wiener. You know, you're mentally... You have issues. But there wasn't another Wiener guy in New York.

Starting point is 01:44:44 Anthony Wiener. Anthony Wiener. And you have issue, but there wasn't another winner. And then the winner and then the winner and gotten trouble for showing his winners. Last names of winners, man, you got to you got to just keep it together. Keep it to yourself. By the way, I saw this interview last week with your buddy. This is a guy that the Adam loves. He just loves him. Who was the guys in Brian? Uh, uh, uh, Stelter. Stelter. I did not love him. We all know that the guy on scene and I like we all know that the

Starting point is 01:45:06 and i'm seeing and i'm we have to finish the car entertainment so watch what happens here so that he's on c-span they get a call and here's what happened a call recalls

Starting point is 01:45:15 in having the cnn anchor on because over the last three and a half plus you know months

Starting point is 01:45:23 thinking it's going good kind of see you know the exposure of how the fourth of state is completely been uh... say down uh... if you brindy believe in polls i do believe in polls yeah okay very good well the last

Starting point is 01:45:37 all that i thought from us to a lot of course was that in nineteen seventy let's talk about Walter conkeye for a second What's the setup of a race? What's the setup of a race? What's the setup of a race? What's the setup of a race? What's the setup of a race? What's the setup of a race? What's the setup of a race? What's the setup of a race? What's the setup of a race? What's the setup of a race?

Starting point is 01:45:50 What's the setup of a race? What's the setup of a race? What's the setup of a race? What's the setup of a race? What's the setup of a race? What's the setup of a race? What's the setup of a race? What's the setup of a race?

Starting point is 01:45:58 What's the setup of a race? What's the setup of a race? What's the setup of a race? What's the setup of a race? What's the setup of a race? What's the setup of a race? What's the setup of a race? What's the setup of a race? What's the setup of a race? What's the setup of a race? What's the setup of a race? and now 20% does, so 80% doesn't. So when I look at that, I look at this as very unreliable sources.

Starting point is 01:46:08 And you guys always talk about how many times Trump is lied. I've calculated that I think with your tyron, with, I don't know if there's any journalists left at CNN, but I know that if I were to estimate about 300 different distortions or misinformation that we get out of CNN and you have to watch them in the airport, which is harsh, but if you added all that up to 46 months, it comes out to be 300,000 plus distortions of truth. So my thing is here is that you guys, this is how low you'll go, is that you'll win out and you made

Starting point is 01:46:47 lies and you defamed a child. And then you had to settle out a court to pay this child for distorting information about this young individual. So I would say, you know, if anything that's happening at CNN and anybody who buys your book, it's really just one of those things that is dividing our nation. And I don't believe in dividing our nation. It hurts our great nation. And so, CNN is really the enemy of coming up here.

Starting point is 01:47:21 And that's my opinion. Thank you. Brian Stelter. I grateful for the call. And I know that you're not the old person that feels this way. There has been a process of radicalization that's happened in this country with media bashing that is absolutely unprecedented.

Starting point is 01:47:38 20, 30 years ago, conservatives talked about media bias. And there were some really valid points to that critique. It is absolutely true that lots of journalists are based in New York and Washington, they're based in big cities, they have liberal leadings, and mainstream newsrooms are built to make sure that that bias doesn't seep into the news coverage. And yet sometimes it does, I absolutely acknowledge that. Here from Donald Hickory in North Carolina. Good morning.

Starting point is 01:48:01 Pause that. Okay, go ahead. You know, here's the problem with him and there's other people. They live, you talk about the NBA bubble. These guys, these people at CNN and media outlets like that, they live in their own bubble. They don't allow any other differing opinion. So they're surrounded all day in their assignment meetings and throughout the day by only people that believe one particular thing.

Starting point is 01:48:24 And then they buy into it and they figure out how to sell it. I bet he got in trouble when he got back to CNN for not interrupting the caller sooner or shooting him down or calling him a quack or something. I'm surprised he actually took there and listened to it that long. Adam. Yeah, the most shocking part of that interview

Starting point is 01:48:41 is I googled how old Brian Seltzer is, you know how old that guy is? 47. He's 35 years old, dude old dude I don't know he's not aging gracefully he is not a 35 years old that is not a good looking gentleman at age 35 Jesus can you imagine what he looks like at 45 that's the most disappointing part of this entire hit age Kai 35 years old there it is from Damascus Mary on believe it right talk's talk about what the media do to you. Yeah, I mean, I think, look, the same thing that can be said

Starting point is 01:49:09 about CNN can be said about Fox News, the same thing that can be said about MSNBC can be said about Breitbart. This is the problem with the media. We talked about 1970, 80% of the people believed it was coming out of the media, Walter Cronkite, respect, 20% these days. That's a very, very sad number. Media bias is real. What I will give him credit for is, like, what Tom said, owning up to it is like, yeah, you know, it's a problem and we got to get better at it. So at least we're having the conversation, right? I mean,

Starting point is 01:49:41 it's fascinating topic to go deep into and say, when did it change? Right? Because the media has always, you know, had their issues and I worked in the media. I worked in newsrooms for 15 years. I didn't, you know, you don't check in there. You were there in the mid 90s. I mean, you're, you're, you're part of the problem, Tom. Right.

Starting point is 01:49:57 You're NBC. I literally, I was at the TV station that brought Jerry Springer in to do the, the, the a nightly commentary. Very, very, very, very but you know something something happened what changed since the 90s since you and Rodman were taking kamikaze shots something must have changed China. I think China got a hold of our social media and there you can always bring watch out. You'll have a safe comfort zone

Starting point is 01:50:19 here if you're blaming on China 80% trusted the media to 20% that's not that. And by the way the way what Alan Lichten said the American people It they said the number is just as low with the government so the American people don't trust the media or the government today Who the hell do you trust you trust that's exactly? It's the question, but the best part about this is hopefully if you don't trust the media and you don't trust The government hopefully this will force you to go to your own due diligence and listen to both sides. Hopefully, that is a call to action to everyone out there. You're right leaning and you're all about Trump. Go listen to some liberal

Starting point is 01:50:55 leaning information. If you're a leftist socialist, go listen to the other side, form your own opinion. It's very easy to get caught up in a vacuum, live in your bubble and form your own opinion and be dug in and that's my opinion and I ain't changing. You have a pat, why isn't it? You just mentioned the two entities, we distrust the most, the media and the politicians. So what are we gonna do on election day? We're never gonna find out who wins this thing

Starting point is 01:51:20 because we won't believe who's telling us, we won't believe who was involved in the election. Well, we're gonna be in this. We're probably gonna do the podcast live during the election. They to go through the whole thing and I may be a long time and maybe like a six hour podcast that they like a you know, oh yeah, it'll be a long one. And it'll never get boring. Are you gonna be bathroom breaks? I don't know if I can make it. I don't know. I got to wear diapers. I got to wear diapers. Me and Nancy Pelosi. By the way, last one. I put this video.

Starting point is 01:51:46 By the way, this next video we're going to show you. It's not true, but we've got to give credit to whoever did this. We can bring in your diaper. By the way, this is not, this is not, go back. That's right. I like this morning from New York. Hey, good morning. Wake up.

Starting point is 01:52:15 Wake up. Wake up. It's not real, but it's hilarious. OK. Can we actually play the real video? Can we play the real video? Play the real video. You know who the real video was with? Much respect for Harry Belafonte. So Harry Belafonte was the first Dale. That was who it was. Watch Harry Belafonte and sleep. That's who it was. So, you know, again, you got to do your own research, everybody.

Starting point is 01:52:31 Listen, I said it's not real, but it's still second one, Kai. They like coming. So why this morning from New York, hey, good morning, Harry. Harry, wake up. Harry looks cooler, though. Harry, wake up. Harry looks cooler though. Harry, yeah. And he looks like he's dead.

Starting point is 01:52:48 You wake up, buddy. And he snores in tune. OK. This is your wake up car. OK. So if I were to go, if I was going, he'd be out of the car. Yeah, he'd be out of the car. He didn't look like he was sleeping.

Starting point is 01:53:03 He didn't. By the way, he wrote a book that I don't know if you read his book about his story. There's actually, very good story. Very good life. Okay. All good. I think it's fair to say that we come to the end of our podcast. We had a record high today. I think we cracked 1980. If you enjoyed today's podcast, put a thumbs up and press that subscribe button. And if you're interested in this podcast, please subscribe to our podcast. And if you're interested in this podcast, please subscribe to our podcast. And if you're interested in this podcast, please subscribe to our podcast.

Starting point is 01:53:24 And if you're interested in this podcast, please subscribe to our podcast. And if you're interested in this podcast, please subscribe to our podcast. We had a record high today. I think we cracked 1980. If you enjoyed today's podcast, put a thumbs up and press that subscribe button and the alerts so you get alerted every time these things come out. And again, it's good to have Tom on. It's the first sound with us. Lot of you guys were asking us what's Tom's name. I'm going to put it down here. Tom Zener. With two ends, Tom Zener, if you wanna look him up. Tom Zener, you can look him up. We will do the podcast again. Kyle, we schedule for next Tuesday as of right now.

Starting point is 01:53:51 What's the time that we have a schedule for? I believe we are scheduled for next Tuesday. If we, if we, it's next Tuesday, same time. Stay tuned for it again. We'll do it next Tuesday, same time, eight o'clock. Have a great weekend. We'll do it next Tuesday, same time. Eight o'clock, have a great weekend. We'll do this again next week. Bye-bye, bye-bye, bye-bye.

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