PBD Podcast - Whitney Webb Tells The Truth About Jeffrey Epstein | Ep. 270 | Part 1

Episode Date: May 18, 2023

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Okay, so our guest today is a fan favorite. I'm gonna look what I've become. I'm the one. Okay, so our guest today is a fan favorite. She's been on before. She talks about stuff that people in power don't want her to talk about. You know, she's hidden in a place in the world that nobody can find. She doesn't live in the States here. She comes here every once in a while.

Does her thing pisses the powerful people off and then she leaves the country again. She's written a couple books, one called One Nation Under Black Male, volume one and then there's One Nation Under Black Male, volume two. A professional writer, researcher and journalist in 2016, she's written for several websites and from 2017 to 2020, was a staff writer and senior investigative reporter for Mint Press News.

She currently writes for the last American vagabond and hosting independent podcast called Unlimited Hangout. Her works aimed to highlight under reported issues and find common ground between people of different political persuasions regarding corruption, government overreach, the lack of accountability for militaries and intelligence agencies and a military industrial complex. And she also talks a lot about Epstein and a bunch of other stories. It's great to have you on.

That's great to be back. How you been? I'm doing well. Good. Yeah. Fantastic. So from the last time till today, we got a lot of different things we want to cover with you.

We got some ESG questions for you. We got some DEI stories. We got the whole Soros and Musk going back and forth, a little bit with Musk tweeting out. And we got a Woody Allen story. We got a bunch of different things. But from your standpoint, what's been new stories you've seen recently on Epstein

that's been creating momentum since the last time we were together? Well, I guess the most recent one, of course, is going to be these revelations that have come from the Wall Street Journal most recently about his private calendar, emails, a bunch of different things. For the Wall Street Journal, they claim to have thousands of pages of documents.

But I'm a little curious, where maybe they got these documents from, why now? And if they plan on publicly releasing any of that, because of course, the reporting comes from the Wall Street Journal, and they refer to these documents, but none of those have been released to the public. And I'm personally a big fan of public transparency,

but we're kind of in a post wiki leaks world, so tend not to get much of that source reporting anymore. But I would definitely like to see it considering a lot of the names that have come out in connection with that. It's great seeing Wall Street Journal doing this, right? Because they can't say it's a website or it's a blogger or it's somebody with this. When Wall Street Journal does it, you have to pay attention to it. Yeah, but at the same time, you know, and a lot of the reporting, the way it is, is you know, this is what's in the documents,

and then we talk to the person reference, and of course the person distances themselves from Epstein and says, oh well, I only went to them because he was wealthy, or I didn't know anything about this or that, and it's hard to know if that's really true to be honest, because some people have claimed that, and then evidences come out showing it was a bit different,

and then they're like, oh well. And nothing really happens, you know. You referenced a post wiki leaks world right now, obviously a reference to Julian Assange. Break that down. What does that mean since that transpired what over a decade ago, I want to say, what, where do you see the current state of affairs today? So I sort of, you know, looking at like Assange and wiki leaks, you know, what they were doing obviously before Assange was incarcerated. I was taking source documents that they received and putting them out for the public to look at and view and draw their own conclusions.

And how investigative reporting has changed since then is I think pretty clear. I mean, you compare a lot of the WikiLeaks handled their access to source documents versus something like the Twitter files, for example. I mean, there's a pretty big shift between then and now. And personally, I prefer the former model because more information, more transparency, I think that ultimately serves the public interest more.

How does that affect reporters like you today, whistleblowers, stuff like that? What the mindset of you guys doing this intense investigative journalism, how's how things changed in these leagues? Well, you know, I intentionally, like what I do, I don't try and work with people that are in a position to like face jail time for giving me information because given what like I know and what's pretty obvious about the surveillance state today, I don't feel like I can guarantee anyone's security. Let me ask how many people have actually reached out to you who are insiders saying, hey, can we talk offline because I have some information that I

want to share with you? I mean a couple, but again, you know, I don't live in the US, so it's hard for me just online to know that they're for real and I don't want to, again, put anyone in a position of danger. So I tend to go with things that are public record, open source. But people that do want to work with those types of sources, everything that's happened with Julian Assange and WikiLeaks. And even with what happened with Snowden,

and then a lot of the people that, for example, leach documents or shared documents with the intercept, for example, three of those guys went to prison. And that was after Snowden and Assange, so I think there's definitely been an intentional chilling effect on that sharing of transparency, and I think obviously that's a great detriment.

When you, what about your personal, like you ever worry about them? I mean, because it's completely positive. They could get to somebody in jail and say that he committed suicide. How do you fear for your own safety at all? Well, I mean, people ask me that a lot, but frankly, the state of the world today,

I feel like it's incumbent on all of us to stand up and say something. And again, I'm not trying to work with like classified information and stuff, you know? I think if I was, it would be a different situation for sure. But I think also at the same time, like, if you live your life and fear, that's going to impede you from doing stuff that's important.

And I'm really grateful for the platform I have today. And I have a, I guess, an ability to put information together that helps people see some of these power structures that aren't necessarily visible to everyone. And I feel like it's my duty and responsibility to do that because frankly, the more people, we really need to raise awareness,

I think about these power structures, these situations, and how we got here, because especially if you're a parent of kids like I am, I mean, you just let things keep going this way, it's not gonna be good for anybody, so. I like it. I like what you're doing. It's dangerous. Someone's got to do it. I got a question to start off with here. So, individuals subpoenaed in the USVI's Epstein linked case against JP Morgan. Okay. You got Sergei Brenn and Larry Page. You got Musque. You got Michael Orvitz. He's the former president of Disney and the co-founder of Creative

Arts. You got Mortimer Zuckerman, you got Thomas Pritzker, you got Glendurban, you got Leslie Wexner, which we talked about last time. You got John Luke Brinnell and a few other... Isn't Brinnell dead? Well, it's in your French modeling scout who was a close associate. He was arrested in Paris, I believe, and died in his jail sale. Oh, weird. It's great that you can subpoena a dead person. And that's when AI is really advanced. You can do that. So, so this comes out. But the problem with this story is the fact that Newsweek does a story a week ago saying Larry Page has been missing. As Google

founder faces Jeffrey Epstein lawsuit, The US Virgin Islands that attempting to locate Google co-founder Larry Page to subpoena him as part of a lawsuit against JP Morgan Chase. But so far, four possible addresses have been found invalid. The government brought the civil action against the defendant, JP Morgan Chase bank as part of its ongoing effort to protect public safety and to hold accountable those who facilitate or to participate in it directly or indirectly the traffic and enterprise on Jeffrey Epstein. Anyway, it keeps going talking about this. So what is if they're going after these guys, there's a story about page missing, there's

another story about Sergei Brin going through what he's going through. How much are they really going to get to the bottom of this and is this just a nothing burger? You know, I don't know. Some of the other cases, I think, to an extent, were sort of like nothing burgers and some of these stories about past cases being unredacted. You know, a lot of those redactions, it was actually kind of known what was there. This seems a little bit different because this is the first case I'm aware of where they're subpoenaing so many billionaires.

You know, so that should be kind of an indication that they, at least more than other cases, seem to be interested in getting more to the bottom of the money aspect. And again, this is the JP Morgan case. And as I'm sure you all are aware, the attorney general, the USVI, after filing this case, gets fired just a few days after. So of course, there's a lot of speculation that her firing was related to her filing of this particular case. And when it comes to some of these tech billionaires, I think that's interesting too, because

in my work on Epstein, there's a lot to be said about the Edge Foundation. Epstein was funding them very extensively, including being their only financing source for several years. It was run by publisher John Brockman. He was a science publisher. And they had this annual, I think, billionaires dinner. They called it, which brought Epstein into contact with a lot of these big tech names.

And a lot of the biggest names in tech, including Jeff Bezos, Moss, Kuzlacherberg, Bren, and Paige have all come up in the Epstein case even before these subpoenas. So I think that's pretty interesting. And another thing too that I came across recently is that a lot of these big tech companies have data centers in New Albany, Ohio, and the land on which those data centers sit is owned by the New Albany Company, which Epstein actually set up for Leslie Wexner and invested in and was a general partner in that company at the time that it was plans to court big tech

To that particular area. You know, it's interesting. You're saying this. We had Mike Tyson on yesterday And he said something so uh Some of these like when you when you start doing business You get invited to parties. Okay, oh, sir, and when you go to these parties you're like hey meet this guy Hey meet that guy. Hey meet this guy. Hey meet that guy. Hey, meet this guy. Hey, meet that guy. You're like, okay, great. Hey, meet this guy Jeff. Reheps in. Oh, shit. You're that guy. Yeah. Oh damn somebody just took a picture. Here we go. This is what's going to start. So my Tyson's at a event and Phoenix and he says this one guy comes if he can pull up this picture

Rob. He says this one guy comes. He starts shaking my hands and you know, he looks very fragile. It's like, I felt so sorry for this guy. And he shook my hands, his hands were really small and he was timid, I said listen if anybody it doesn't anything to you, I got your back, nobody can say anything to you. And he says great, the next day, the fads come to him and they're like hey, we see this picture with you and him. How do you know this guy?

He says, well did somebody do something to this guy? Poor guy was a, you know, I saw him being, but I wanna make sure he's being, he says, no, we want to make sure you're okay, because he is, he killed eight people in shot 29 people. What? Yeah, this is Dale Housner. So there's a picture with Dale,

if you can pull up the picture with him in Mike Tyson, when Mike Tyson said I was at another fight, a Taliban was sitting next to me and a white supremacist was sitting next to me, and they asked, why would you go to again with a white supremacist and a Taliban? He says, I didn't go to again with those guys. They just about take it's right next to me and they asked why would you go to again with a white supremacist and a Taliban He says I didn't go to again with those guys. They just bought tickets right next to me just so how so how much of this This whole thing with these names being dropped

It's kind of like guilty by association and I was just starting to do anything with these guys. I just met him out of party well, it's hard to know again because a Lot of people involved in this case have not been very forthcoming. And some of the names on this subpoena list, there's a lot to say about their ties to Epstein that is not really found its way in domain stream reporting. But again, with some of the cases, it could be just what they say, you know, I met them through this guy and that guy. So you know, again, without greater transparency, it's hard to know.

But allegedly, the U.S. Virgin Islands has access to a very significant amount of documents from JP Morgan. And their interest in subpoenowing a lot of these tech billionaires specifically is that Epstein was referring them to the bank. And again, Epstein's activities with JP Morgan from what the U.S.V.I. has said, it was very clear from JP Morgan documents that his activity at the bank was not consistent with any client-based business. And that was supposedly what he had at the time, Epstein.

And so the money flow was weird. His relationship with executives at JP Morgan was weird. So why was he referring people to the bank? They're speculating that it's related to some whatever funny stuff Epstein was doing, he was trying to bring in other people. Would younger girls? Well, in the case of Jess Dalley, that's true, but again, you know, and I think we talked about this last time,

as I see it, Jeffrey Epstein wasn't just a sexual black male mastermind, he was also very talented in the world of shadow and offshore banking, so anyone that wanted to get involved in that, whether it's for things like tax evasion or all sorts of stuff that doesn't necessarily involve sexual blackmail or interest and sexual interest in minors, right? But here's a thing, though. This is the problem, though, with the Epstein story, because the only thing people think about when they see a picture with you in Epstein, if they see that online, the first reaction everybody gets, they don't think about tax evasion,

they don't think about blackmail, they don't think about... Oh exactly. The only thing they think about, oh this guy probably hooked up with a 14 year old girl. So I understand what you're saying. In that sense, okay, he got close to JP Morgan Chase and hey, they have this thing where he's broken deals and he's bringing money over to them.

I can see that, I can see how myself, I refer God knows how much business to my advisor that I'm working with at certain bank. And he does my stuff. So when I bank with someone, or I use a technology, or I use someone, I'm like, go to the sky. And they've probably made a lot of money through those referrals. Obviously, this is at a larger scale

because he's bringing a billion dollars, half a million dollars, 300 million dollars. And Jamie Dimes is going to take those accounts. He's not going to say no to it. But the difference between receiving that referral and the other aspect of Epstein, that's not only career ending, that's reputation, that's legacy, that could destroy your reputation in every way. So if we can isolate the two, let's do that. So from your research, this is your world where you study this, you've created so much momentum right now, what you're talking about and the sources you're referring

to. Let's go one by one by one, Larry Page and Sergey Brin, Sergey Brin. Based on the research you've done, what have you learned about those guys from Google? Okay, so as far as Google is a company goes from the very beginning of that company, they took national security state money, specifically CIA money, and throughout their existence is a company like we know from the Edward Snowden documents,

collaborated very openly with the NSA and other national security agencies, sharing data in ways that they were not public about with their customers and users. And of course, Google dominates search, so they have a huge role in the type of information people access when they look for something. Those first results, what results are first. Google has a lot of power. And to take it back to WikiLeaks for a second, if you remember back, I believe Julie

and Assange wrote a book called When Google Met WikiLeaks, basically talking about how his experience with that led him to believe that Google was essentially operating as an intelligence agency in connection with the Hillary Clinton run state department. And I think Jigsaw at the time, which was part of Alphabet, had these weird connections with things going on in the Arab Spring and other geopolitical developments where Google

was alleged to have played an outside role. So it's important to keep in mind those aspects of Google. But as far as the connection, specific connection to Epstein goes, Larry Page, I'm not necessarily familiar with anything, but before the subpoena, it was known that Sergey Brin was going to the townhouse with Epstein in the early 2000s. He was.

Yeah, and I think at least one of those meetings Mort Zuckerman, who's listed on that subpoena list as well, was present. These were some regular visitors to his townhouse in the early 2000s. It's possible as well that this edge foundation thing, and again, I'm not trying to say, edge is a pretty big thing. Not everyone that was part of edge was tied up with Epstein, but I think it's pretty clear from the finances alone that Epstein used that billionaire dinner and his big role as the main funder for a long time of edge and being very close to Brockman to get access to these big tech people.

You have to keep in mind too that after Epstein was busted for sex trafficking the first time, he tried to rebrand as a big-time tech investor, specifically. And his big company that he was trying to make out of the Virgin Islands, which I think he made in like 2012, was called Southern Trust. And he framed it as being a biomedical and financial Google. It was described by the New York Times as a DNA data mining firm. So he's trying to get in all these spaces that also Google and a lot of these other big tech companies are also trying to get to in relatively the same period of time. Because 2012 is like 10 years ago.

A lot of people are talking about AI now and all of this stuff, but Epsim was trying to corner this market for the AI market for big pharma and for major investment banks back during that time. And actually in these Wall Street Journal reports that have come out recently, it mentioned that the Edmund de Ross child group, an Aryan de Ross child named in. And those documents had entered into an agreement with Southern

Trust. I think around $7 million that they had contracted this AI financial algorithm company that Epstein was making in the USVI. So, you know, again, the financial services thing with Epstein is very under explored by mainstream media. What you referred to there, the financial services thing with Epstein is very under-explored by mainstream media. What you referred to there about the public perception of, oh, you have your picture with Epstein, your epito, I would blame all of that on mainstream media because mainstream media is only interested in talking about Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking activities

from 2000 to 2006, nothing before and essentially nothing after. I think it's to protect a lot of powerful people that engaged in financial criminality with them and also It's also people like Bill Gates and Bill Clinton as well because a lot of that, you know their ties For example with gates that goes back to the 1990s mainstream media says it was 2011 and the reason I think they say that is to It gates and it have any role in Microsoft at that time. If you look back before then there's a lot of gates and Maxwell family ties to Microsoft and other Microsoft executives Linda Stone Nathan Mervold documented Epstein ties with

them back in the late 90s and I think you know if you take you make the gates Epstein story just about the Gates Foundation and not about Epstein and Microsoft I think that's you know I want to stay, you make the Gates Epstein story just about the Gates Foundation and not about Epstein and Microsoft. I think that's, you know. I wanna stay on this because we're gonna go to Gates and Clinton as well. So Elon Musk, Elon Musk being linked to a name like this. The thing that concerns me is the following.

Here's what concerns me. I have four kids. As a parent or a guy that's running an insurance company or any business, I always watch your trends to see if it's all of a sudden out of whack, someone's influencing you negatively or you're about to go to a bad place in your life. So for example, if you're generally a person that doesn't drink, doesn't smoke, we doesn't do drugs, and you're pretty stable, all of a sudden you're doing stuff that you've never

done for 20 years, I'm like, some's going on with this. Your decision making is going this way. Or you used to be good with this guy, and this guy was an enemy, and this guy's a true bad enemy. All of a sudden you start defending this guy, I don't know where, in front of people are like, hey, that is not you, you've never really defended this guy. What does he now have on you?

So when I see, you know, the questions with Elon Musk is, hey, you know, he announced a CEO, the new CEO that's coming to X NBC Universal lady who comes in and, you know, world economic forum everybody's losing their minds. I have the question. I did a poll the other day on Twitter Rob, if you pull it up, I said the good hire, bad hire, let's wait and see. Good hire was 6%. Bad hire was like 20 something percent. Let's wait and%. Bad hire was like 20 something percent. Let's wait and see, it was like 60 something percent, right? On what people want to see. But when that was made, the same day,

or the next day after he made the hire, you saw the article comes out about Musk. You saw what Soros article comes out. And you see what Musk out of nowhere, if you want to pull up what Musk tweets at Sor Soros the next day calling him you know Soros is Magneto And I didn't see this he says Soros is Magneto. I may have been traveling Yeah, I'm sure so he says yes Soros is Magneto if you want to show this tweet

Soros reminds me of Magneto, right? And this thing just takes off 42 million views on this tweet. So everybody's responding. I can't believe you said this He's trying to do this the reality is magneto was also a guy that dealt with the Holocaust and the stories a survivor of it And that's kind of what he's going through. So it's really caused behind it anyways so My concern becomes when somebody that's been here's what I'm for I'm for this I'm for that I'm for this I'm for we got to get off of advertisers We got to be doing all subscription all of a sudden you bring in advertising agency

Veteran in the marketplace to go and get advertisers and you know She's a black rock edifying Larry think edifying fake news is not real Did something happen that they find are they like that's the part that kind of throws me off sometimes Well, I think some of these there's you know I see Elon Musk as a person who has like a very specific Persona he wants to project to the public and then there's business musk, right? And I don't think they're necessarily always the same person So you know, I'm for example Elon Musk a lot of people maybe forget, you know

He's a big military contractor and also, you to Space Force, that's also an intelligence agency. So he's technically a military and intelligence contractor. In order to keep your contracting business with those things, there's certain rules you have to play by. And certain things I would assume, you can and can't say, are you lose those lucrative contracts? And if you look at someone like Elon Musk and his business history, a lot of his companies

would not have been successful without significant subsidies from the government. So I feel like in order to get those deals, there's certain rules you have to abide by to an extent. At least when it comes to your business decisions and certain things, right? So maybe he wants to project this persona of like, I'm one of the bros, I'm one of the guys,

I believe in free speech and all of this. And certainly when he bought Twitter, that's what he said, but then it became, oh yeah, free speech, but not freedom of reach. And now it's sort of changing again with the appointment of this new CEO. And again, I don't really have any high hopes and I didn't necessarily when Musk bought

Twitter just because I tend to be kind of skeptical and I guess you could probably say cynical about these types of people. And I personally just for my own experience with Appstein research, I have found Musk not to be very upfront about some of those connections there. So for example, he'll be like, a lot of people like to bring up the picture of him in Galein Maxwell from 2014. He'll say he was photobond in all of this. But he won't bring up the fact,

well, at least reporters seem to have forgotten that Kim Balmos, his brother, who was on the board of Tesla and SpaceX, was introduced to a member of Epstein's entourage who had dated Epstein and lived at the apartment on 3606, 66th east where all these traffic girls lived. A girl from there starts dating Kimball Musk and somehow Epstein is allegedly granted access to SpaceX facilities and tours and then is allegedly advising Tesla according to the New York Times reporter James Stewart,

who was told by someone else that Epstein was advising Tesla, and then goes before Epstein's 2019 arrest and most of his public infamy, goes and asks him about if the rumors were true. And Epstein says, yes, and this is during a time when Mosca is saying he's trying to secure a capital to take Tesla private, I believe. And this was allegedly involving one of the Saudi wealth funds of the Saudi government.

And at that time, Epstein was a very, very close advisor to Muhammad bin Solomon, who had recently come to power. And if you remember back to when the Epstein story really scandal sort of broke in 2019, it wasn't just talking about his townhouse having all these pictures of him and Clinton. And there were a lot probably as much as Clinton of Epstein with the MBS. Mohammed bin Salman. With the relationship out of that's pretty random for a Jewish businessman with maybe ties to the Masad to be doing business with the Saudi Kingdom, but MBS. Yes, but Mohammed bin Salman was brought to power in a way that was very uncharacteristic for Saudi Arabia. You know there, it's not father to son hierarchy, right?

It's like seniority within the rural family. Usually it's like elderly uncles that become the next crown prince and whatnot. And he was very young and 30s when he came to power. And he hammered out things like the Abraham Accords with people like Jared Kushner. He was texting Jared Kushner all the time who of course has a very close relationship with the Netanyahu family, for example. So again, that seems rather uncharacteristic as well. And it's very possible that, you know, given the geopolitical plays in the Middle East and North Africa,

a lot of that often has to do with, you know, people that are either for or against Israel, you know, what government's gonna shift shifting the balance of power there, normalizing relationships with Israel. And so the Abraham Accords obviously were a huge step towards normalizing relationship with Israel in the region. And they may have seen,

oh, there's this upstart prince that's really ambitious. And if we can get him in, then maybe he'll help us push that normalization just a bit further. So there's a lot of question marks there, but it seems to me that that may have been something to do with it. And I also think this might be the thread

to pull on to find out the real reason Epstein was arrested in 2019, because if you think about who MBS took out, Muhammad bin Nayef, that guy was very, very close to John Brennan, who was the CIA director. And John Brennan was very unhappy with MBS's rise to power. And if you have Epstein close to MBS, John Brennan, who's also a big guy behind,

rush a gate and all of this stuff, and around MBS, you have Kushner, right? You have Epstein. It seems like there's two intelligence-linked factions sort of duking it out and if Epstein was on one side and The other side sort of wanted to send a message to that side, you know At this the article I think you're talking about Jeffrey Epstein claimed he was helping Elon Musk find a new chairman for Tesla This is part of it. Yeah, just one of the stories, but again to me. There's two different stories The one is I did business with this guy and Kimball you right now. I think he's got a vertical vertical farming company.

No, yeah, but this is before. This is before that. Yeah, so two different things. So one, for example, I'll give you a crazy story. So I first come to Florida. Okay. I'm doing a project and we're it's called Mafia States of America. We're having it with all these ex-Mob gangsters and people that are in that world.

I go to this restaurant Casa de Angelo. First thing I go there, the person I'm having dinner with is Michael Francis. Michael Francis was one of the top earners and a couple. He was a cop on a Colombo family. And he comes in and this Casa de Angelo place is ran by Italian. So they know who he is. Poinacera, you know, they're talking to him and we'll grab a seat. The next day, next I go there, I go there with Chaz Pomenteri, the actor from Bronx Tale and he's done a bunch of mob movies and he looks like so he's got an incredible one-man show.

So he comes with me next time, oh, Bonacera, okay, great, the third time I go eat at this Italian restaurant, I bring Samuite Buogliano, okay? And they see Sammy, they lose their minds. Like, holy shit, Samuite Buogliano, the former under boss of the Gambino family is here. He's sitting, we're sitting in the same table. By the fourth time, they thought I was an Italian gangster, okay? And I said, no, I'm from the Middle East.

I am not, I'm just interviewing these guys because I have a relationship and I'm interested in that world, so we're doing a documentary or show on this. So the challenge becomes sometimes when you're seeing people love to jump to conclusion and say, well, this is what's going on. The part I want to isolate is the following with Musk. I think what Musk is doing, you know, 100% there's the argument of what he's taking from public, government,

planning, government funding, SpaceX, all this other stuff, even Tesla. He has to answer to that and that's part of capitalism where you're getting money all this up. That's a different story. The part that I want to isolate is him being linked to what Epstein did with the girls. There is nothing there with Musk. No, not that I've seen with the girls, but there are significant business ties.

And what I just mentioned is part of that. Another part I cover in my book, it's related to these brothers that worked for Epstein and his brother Mark Epstein, Osa Properties, which has been tied to the sex trafficking operation, those apartments I mentioned earlier, owned by Osa Properties. So one of these two brothers, Jonathan Barrett, that worked directly for Epstein and then worked for Mark Epstein at OSA properties, works for this company called Luminous. And Luminous is an affiliate related to LS power. LS power is a major supplier to Epstein.

And a lot of these directors for Luminous, for example, are the same people that were directors for the special investment vehicle that, are the same people that were directors for the special investment vehicle that Epstein had with Bear Stearns called Liquid Funding, and also investment vehicles and companies tied to Glencore, which is Mark Rich, who's a well-known affiliate of, well, pretty much openly referred to as a Mossad asset and stuff like that.

He was a commodities trainer, a trader, a fugitive from the US.S. for a long time because of helping Israel avoid the oil embargo of Arab nations. But for example, he was pardoned by Clinton really controversially. Allegedly, this was due to a lot of pressure put on Clinton by A. Houd-Barrach at the time. And things like that. So anyway, you have sort of those shared connections and the Kimball Musk thing. And then you have a woman named Nicole Youngerman

that I wrote a lot about in the book who has invested in recent years very extensively in SpaceX and Nicole Youngerman. Maybe I should backtrack a little bit before getting to Nicole. So basically, what I note in my book is that there's the sex, text-trappicking operation of Epstein, everyone knows about, but there seems to have been another parallel operation that he used for influence ops, I guess you could say, involving women, but they were

of age. They were women that were well-educated in some cases, and probably most of the cases, but at least a few cases we know about Epstein finance, their graduate education and helped connect them. They ended up marrying or dating powerful people sort of in his circle. So allegedly Trump is one of these guys, right? So his girlfriend before Melania, Selena Middlefart, Epstein was taking her with him. Yeah. Well, she's, she's Norwegian. norwegian. So maybe in Norway.

Yeah, no, no, it's felt Fart's middle fart. Yeah, she's a she's a norwegian ares very attractive despite the last name, I guess. Yeah, so that probably helped her out for her. Yeah, but you know, she and a couple of these other women that Epstein was taking to the Clinton White House in the 90s ended up marrying very powerful people. And she dated Trump and then allegedly Melania was introduced to Trump by Golan and Jeffrey Epstein. They claimed that. Who claims that? I think it was either Golan or Jeffrey Epstein at some point before they're infamous. They're saying that that's how Trump met Melania. There's that allegation that they were introduced to each other.

But the modeling industry thing with Epstein and Galen remember this is before they were infamous, necessarily at least publicly, and Trump likes models, I think we all know that. That's not breaking news. But I mean, it's not like it was, oh, look, meet Melania who's underage at the time. It wasn't like that. So again, if you're trying to secure influence with powerful people and you don't think they're susceptible to your sex blackmail op involving minors,

you can be the matchmaker that sets them on the path to marital bliss, right? Because, you know, whoever sets you up with your husband or wife, you might keep contact with for a long time or if they come to ask for a favor, you might be willing to do so, right? So there's a few other cases where this happened. And one of these women is Melanie Walker that we can talk about later,

because she's part of the Bill Gates Epstein connection. This young criminal lady, I'm curious to see you. Yeah, so Nicole Youngerman appears to be another one of these women. So she's not an Instagram model? No, but she was a model. She's a former model, and now she is married to some Italian oil billionaire. Very, very wealthy.

He's much older than her, I think, by like, yeah. He's 63 or something like that, 66. And she's very attractive, right? Perdinando, brachetti, pereti. Yeah, something like that, yeah. And so allegedly, there was this meeting in September 2002 in the United Kingdom at a home that is owned by Wexner. And Nicole Youngerman was on Epstein's arm

with an unknown Brunette woman and was passed off to these two US senators that were there. And the implication there, which this is right before the Iraq War vote, the allegation is that there may have been some sort of like sexual blackmail occurring there. But why isn't a coal-yunkerman hanging out with Epstein and these senators at this place? It's a bit weird.

And then there's some other business connections over the years. So for example, Carbine 9-1-1, which is this sort of emergency 9-1-1 call center app or something like that that's being sold all over the United States. It was created mainly by veterans of 8,200, which is an Israel signal intelligence agency. It was chaired and one of their main investors was Ahood Barak, who of course we know I know was very close to Appstein and Barak urged Appstein to invest at least of what we know, at least a million dollars into that company

and apparently Leslie Wexner also invested a lot of money. And at that same time of course Ahood Barak was getting a bunch of money from the Wexner Foundation or some weird stuff going on there. But one of the directors at the time when A. Houdbaraq was on the board and Pinchus Buchress, whose former commander of unit 8200 and some of these other guys on this network and a co-yunker man's on the board of directors as well. And now she's invested in SpaceX. So she's one of these sort of bond girls, I guess you could say

that was sort of around Epstein in this category with Melanie Walker and now, you know You know, you know what it is for me like I You can't control who invest into your company, okay? You can and you can't I mean let me rephrase that yeah, but to an extent so take Elon Musk and Twitter for example What does Elon Musk want to do with Twitter? He wants to make it X the everything out Mm-hmm And he specifically as a model for that refers to WeChat.

A lot of people don't really like WeChat, at least in the US because it has so much data about everything you do. If data is the new oil, as is often being said, whoever owns the everything app is going to own most of the data. They're going to be the new oilbearance, the databearance of this era, the new Rockefellers. There's no question about it. We chat, the same parent company of WeChat is a major investor in Tesla and they're most active shareholders.

So it's kind of weird, a little bit. Chinese company. Yeah, so I think it would be, why does he wanna replicate the same thing? Wechat is a big investor in who? No, the parent company of WeChat, I think it's 10 cent, if I'm not mistaken. It's a big investor in what? In Tesla.

In Tesla. And he wants to replet bring WeChat here. If you're against the WAF, sort of like, you know, musk postures about being against the WAF, and they're all about this type of, you know, digital IT. Well, the world economic forum. Well, start, yeah, how world economic forum. But it's not just exclusive to them, right? There's a lot of other interested parties, including Bill Gates, for example, a big force behind ID 2020 and all of that. A lot of this particular network's very interested in creating sort of this everything app because everything you do finances, social media, all of it is in one centralized

place and you get all that data. Go super app. What is this ID 2020? What is that? It's a public private partnership that was overseen. It was created under the ages of the, or the auspices of the United Nations. And I think it's the Rockefeller Foundation. And it's some other nonprofits that were created by the Gates Foundation like Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance. But Bill Gates is a big proponent

of this whole digital ID paradigm for sure. Yeah. But I mean, the benefit of it, if you're one of these guys, you get all the data and you can sell it to security agencies, you can sell it to whoever, right? Because if data is the new oil, that's the way to make money. So you get everyone's data on that app, that's one thing.

But at the same time, keep in mind, too, Musk is a military and intelligence contractor. And historically, if you look at the ambitions of the national security agencies as it relates to master of alants, they have wanted a thing like that for a very long time. Have everyone's data in one place, we can know exactly what they're doing at all times.

And then also, there's this interest on their part as well of using AI to predict what will happen, sort of this pre-crime paradigm in a sense. Like a minority report? Yeah. What's happening before it even happens? Well, it's been being piloted or has been piloted in the past by companies like Palantir Peter Tiel, who did PayPal with Musk, right?

A predictive policing. And actually William Barr under Trump created a pre-crime program in the United States, called Deep under the Department of Justice that has arrested some people for their social media posts and stuff like that. Are there social media? Under the guys that they're preventing mass shootings before they happen. Well, that was at the time.

That was the big concern at the time, right? There's a part of that. There's a part of that. It's a slippery slope, you know? It is, but predictive analytics, take data out. Like predictive analytics, if you wanna go have a job that's gonna be protected for you for decades, if you own a major and something that's gonna be safe,

school major and predictive analytics. Everybody's having predictive analytics. There's a form of predictive analytics that's without data. A teacher watches a kid in school and says, that's the behavior you're showing, this guy's capable of doing something. He's been caught with this, he's been caught with that

and they go and they talk to other teachers and say, let's keep an eye on Little Joey. That's a form of predictive analytics to say that this guy's gonna do something stupid or that kid's gonna do some stupid. I get what you're saying, I've seen minority reporting. You know what?

It's a slippery slope. Totally get it's slippery slope. The problem is when you give those rights away to the government, you're not gonna get them back. There's no question about it. They keep going. You know what I saw today, which was great. I saw a video, a rabal send us to you of what's his name,

that validates kind of your point of who's this fantastic president of Canada that everybody, that the sweetheart of a guy who is a Castro, I think a cousin of something like that. But I wanna send this to you. So this kind of validates what you're saying, Rob, if you can just play this real quick. So here's a clip of what he said about guns,

12 years ago, or 10 years ago. And he says, the one thing about Canada, and he's talking in a very nice, gentle way. He does that, does that. Yeah, he says, you know, this is Canada. We are gun loving. They can never take our guns. You know, we're never gonna do this.

They're like, what a sweet art of the guy, right? And then, you know, 12 years later, effective today in Canada, we will, you know, what happened could have, so you have to hear, no one, but I'm good as guy. So you have to hear it is because it validates what you're saying. If you can play this clip, that predictive that is not letting you. It's not loading. It's not loading. Let me just play it from here. Well, while you guys are waiting, the other thing I want to add about this predictive analytic stuff, go for it. And go. Is that the problem is a lot of these

AI algorithms, they're not 100% accurate, right? So if you're making a decision of whether or not we imprison this person based on the AI and you're working with something that based according to the company is like 76% accurate, which is not unheard of in that particular industry. And a lot of times these are what the business, the figures, the business puts out. They're not independently audited. So it could be 50%, which is like flipping a coin. And you're deciding whether or not to take someone's

liberties away. Oh my god. Based on that, that's another reason why I think it's particularly problematic. So that's one topic we just went through. The Elon Musk and it's more who's investing, is he your question is, is he more of a freedom guy or does he have to add times, you know,

agree for certain things because hey, if you do this, we'll give money to this and we'll fund this and we'll, okay. I can see where somebody could be tempted to make a decision politically for other benefits that could come, they're fine. But there's no such thing with the younger girls with him. Not that I've seen.

No. Fantastic. So that's why I want to kind of isolate these things. Let's go to the next one. The next one that's a we can talk about is Clinton and Gates. If you want to kind of get into that part, I'll read one story to you. And you take it from there. Bill Clinton's aide, Link to Jeffrey Epsteinin killed himself with a shot down despite no gun i mean i got to tell you

it's a lot of time you know i've seen the uh... cop a fell you know what's his name rich uh... uh... they would popper feel that some magicians these guys they're great but the ability for the clinton's to do magic like this i don't think they give him enough credit for how great they are in the magic right mark middleton a former advisor to president clinton was found that a may twenty twenty two in high for ranch in uh... periville arc inside was the uh... discovered hanging from a tree

with a gunshot one in his chest despite no evidence of the weapon that killed the middleton had ties to convicted child traffic or jeffery up scene repeatedly signing him into the white house during his ten years Clinton's special advisor. The investigation into Middleton's death by Perry County Sheriff's Office raises more questions than answers Middleton's body and car were found at high first ranch, which is owned by non-government organization allegedly connected to the Gates Foundation and Clinton Foundation. The release of the investigation report was

delayed due to Middleton's family's concerns about the publication of Harmful Substance, Substance-y-ish, substantiated, and hateful articles on the internet that judge allowed this dissemination of certain details, but prohibited the release of images Middleton had a controversial history, including being implicated and exploiting his access to impress business clients

while working at the White House in the 90s. So how do you do that? I mean, how do you kill yourself with a shotgun and hang yourself up sometime? Mark Middleton, again, this is another reason why knowing I don't think mainstream media lets anyone talk about the Clinton-Ebsing relationship before the year 2000, or until I had Clinton left office.

Mark Middleton was a central figure in some very significant Clinton-Ara scandals. It was not just him abusing his access to the White House after he left. I'll give you an example. Congress was investigating Mark Middleton. At the time, 9-11 happened, and of course 9-11 happened, they moved on to other stuff, obviously. But before then, the Bush administration, George W. Bush's first time in voting executive privilege was to block the release of documents to Congress

about a couple of about three different things one of those was Mark Middleton. Why is Bush stepping in to protect a Clinton aid? That should tell you that there's something bigger there with Mark Middleton and then if you look at when Mark Middleton was called to testify as part of these investigations, he pleaded the fifth, twenty-eight times, including to the question, are you a foreign agent? Wow. So there's obviously a deeper story here. The question is, why wasn't Mark Middleton, you know, suicide or whatever you want to call it back then. You know, why did it happen so recently? I would argue it's because in 2019 when the Epstein case broke it was alleged by the Daily Beast that Epstein had only had five meetings with Mark Middleton

And then you find out from daily mail gets White House visitor logs a couple of months maybe like four months before Mark Middleton's found dead It was around 15 it was much higher for Mark Middleton's found dead. It was around 15. It was much higher. Something was going on. And then if, of course, you go and look at what was Mark Middleton involved in at the time he was meeting with Epstein

and what was Epstein doing, it starts to get really weird. Epstein at the time he was meeting with Mark Middleton on behalf of Leslie Wexner was involved in renegotiating the relocation of Southern Air Transport from Miami, Florida to Columbus, Ohio, where it would ostensibly be mainly running cargo for Wexner's company, the limited. Have you ever heard of Southern Air Transport?

Southern Air Transport used to be Air America. It was the CIA's proprietary airline. And Wexner bought it. He bought the bunch of the planes. Well, he didn't buy it, but he basically pulling levers got a very attractive incentive package developed by the government of Ohio taxpayers on the hook to relocate southern air transport promises of bringing all these jobs, which never materialize, and basically southern air transport gets pumped and dumped and goes bankrupt a

few years after this move by the end of the 90s. But anyway it was being in the 1980s it was the main airline for Iran Contra. Arms and weapons dealing and then gets involved with some weird stuff going on with the first Gulf War. And with that history, that is the specific airline sought out by Epstein and Wexner. They could have gone for any other airline in the US. There's a lot. They first tried one called Arrow Air,

also tied to Iran Contra, and also the BCCI scandal. Then they go to this Polar Air Cargo, which is a joint partnership of three companies, one of which is Southern Air Transport. The other two guys kick out Southern Air Transport, the limited dumps polar air cargo and go straight to Southern Air Transport. They seem to be very desperate for some one of these shady airlines. And Southern Air Transport, previously, like I said, was in Miami, Florida. And during Iran, of course, it was going to Latin America, Meena, Arkansas, or Clinton's governor, all this weird stuff's going on.

Yeah, and it goes to Columbus. It starts going from Columbus to Hong Kong. That's the circuit it's going. What is Mark Middleton doing during this period? Mark Middleton is a central figure in a largely forgotten Clinton-Aryscandal called China Gate, that intimately involves a bunch of very weird business ties between Southeast Asian conglomerates, mainly the Lipo

Group, which had gone into business with the Chinese government by this time. And a bunch of very, very weird stuff happens. I don't know how deep you guys want to go into that scandal because it's very convoluted, very extreme, but basically, you know, I would say sort of chinegate in a sense is a misnomer because what is really going on here is that this is the Riyotti family and Jackson Stevens. I do want you to talk on the Riyotti family. Okay.

If you can touch on that. Yeah, sure. So the Riyottiis are, I guess, ethnically Chinese, but they've been in Indonesia for a very long time. They're one of the main oligarchs in that country. Their main business interest for a long time has been based around the lipocryp, which has a Brazilian subsidiaries. All over the world, mainly concentrated in Southeast Asia,

but also, of course, a US subsidiary as well, which was run by this guy named Johnny Huang, who at the time of China Gate, who was a major guy in the China Gate scandal. And sometime in the early 80s, the Riyadhis got involved in Little Rock, Arkansas, and forged an early partnership with Jackson Stevens, who is one of these Arkansas businessmen, political king makers.

He's largely seen as being responsible for Clinton's political career, from a career from Arkansas onward. But he also, for example, financed the campaign of George Bush senior sort of playing both sides. And a lot of his companies that he ran, Steven Zank, Beverly Enterprise's Systematics, have either been tied to major Clinton corruption scandals

of the past, or to Iran contrast specifically in the case of systematics. So the Riyadhdi family and Jackson Stevens had these intertwined business dealings and basically become sort of this hub of political cronism and Arkansas and of course Clinton gets into the presidential office and is much more expansive than that, at that point, meaning beyond Arkansas, obviously. So basically, what was going on with Chinagate, I guess you could say, is that a bunch of money from foreign nationals, mainly Chinese nationals,

a lot of them with ties to the Chinese government or the Chinese military, are being funneled by through a series of individuals who can donate to the DNC, or the DNC is directly taking money from people that are foreign nationals who, of course, can't legally contribute to campaigns. And so, you know, that was the focus of the Congressional investigation, that it was like illegal fundraising, but what was that money buying these people? It was almost all focused on the Commerce Department.

The head of the Commerce Department at this time is Ron Brown, who of course dies under very suspicious circumstances near the end of this when it starts to come out in the 90s, I think 96 or so. Dies in a plane crash, but he has a bullet wound in his head. And all that. You told me somebody was shooting in like a forest and that bullet went into the police. Well, the part of the Commerce Department that was most targeted by China gate, the ITA, all the other people on the plane with him, pretty much were ITA, except for Johnny Huang, wasn't on the plane, because he'd been let go by that point. But right before Ron Brown gets on that plane to Croatia, he was going, he agreed to investigate,

or cooperate with independent council probes into this stuff. And he was unexpectedly asked to go on a trade mission to Croatia, and then the plane crashes allegedly blamed on a 1930s era navigation system at the airport in Croatia. But a few days after the crash, the head of the navigation at the Croatian airport is found dead with a shotgun wound to the chest and it's rolled a suicide. So there's some weird stuff going on with Chinese gate to say the very least.

But again, I think it's really more of a misnomer. There's a lot deeper corruption here. I talk about it pretty extensively in my butt going through the congressional, the Senate reports and all of that. And some of the main things that seemed to be going on there, it was about getting the Commerce Department and the Clinton administration to push for most favorite nation trading status with China. And to, there was a certain point where in exchange for that, Clinton had banned the import of Chinese weapons to the United States, as sort of the caveat for giving China MFN status. And before then, the biggest market for Chinese weapons was the United States.

So they're smuggling weapons into the US, and they get caught doing that on some Chinese state-owned barges coming to the West Coast. But then you have to wonder, what was going on with southern air transport going from Hong Kong to Columbus. And if you think about, I think we talked about this last time, Epstein had these weird associations with arms deals in Iran Contra was mentored by an arms dealer named Douglas Leese,

who had all sorts of connections to the defense industry, both in Britain and the US. He's a British guy, though. And that's the guy that connected him with Stephen Hofenberg of Towers Financial and the Ponzi scheme that was ran there. And Epstein's name was dropped from the case. Hofenberg took the hit. And instead of Epstein going to prison,

he starts hanging out with Robert Rubin at the White House, whose former head of Goldman Sachs. There's a crazy, I don't know. I mean, there's so much we could get into with the whole Clinton Epstein thing in the 90s. Again, this is why I say they only talk about Clinton and Epstein after Clinton left office because they don't want you looking at all this crazy stuff.

We're question for you. So what frustrates me and like almost infuriates me is when you're selling out America, okay? And you know, when you make it to the top, the question for me would be the other way. Who, which one of our presidents have we had that hasn't sold America to somebody that's for a personal benefit?

I'm being very serious. No, I know. Well, who hasn't sold America? Let me go back to China gate for a second because there's a Biden connection. So basically, one of the other guys that was targeting the Clinton Commerce Department was this guy named Bernard Schwartz, who was a major military contractor, Laurel. Was his company, he later sold a bunch of it off to Lockheed Martin because the head of

Lockheed Martin at that time was his really good friend, Norm Augustine. And Norm Augustine goes on a few years later to make in-cutel for the CIA. But Bernard Schwartz basically was trying to use, he was the biggest donor to Clinton legal donor to the Clinton campaign in 96 where all this trying to get stuff was happening. And he was specifically trying to get satellite export controls moved from the State Department to the Commerce Department. So Ron Brown would handle it. And Ron Brown, he'd basically given a bunch of, Ron Brown had been DNC chairman before this and had been involved in a lot of this funny,

funny stuff going on. The guy who got shot in the head was a former DNC chair. Yeah, yeah. And then he was Commerce Secretary. So Bernard Schwartz was basically trying to do technology transfers to the Chinese military. I don't really know why, but he was very, I mean, if you look at the documentation of what Laura was doing, who it was selling it to, and the broader China gate stuff. And again, this is coming from the congressional report. Like, I'm not even relying on mainstream media here. This is the US government investigation. Bernard Schwartz has a lot to answer for, but again, because 9-11 happens, everyone forgets about

this stuff, right? Because it's like, oh, that was the last administration. We have a lot of bigger stuff to deal with now, right? So Bernard Schwartz, it turns out, was the one of the top, if not the main donor to Biden's primary campaign in 2020. Bernard Schwartz. Bernard Schwartz. And he was the single largest contributor to the Democratic Party 92 through 96. In 1998 for his 71st birthday party,

he celebrated his birthday at the White House with the Clinton. Probably, that would sound about right. Yeah, very close. But this is a guy that was selling our most sensitive military satellite technology to the PLA. So again, to me, who hasn't sold America?

And what happens to those guys? Okay, if you were to go back and you were to say, you know, these are the people at the top that didn't sell out. Have you investigated that? Because to me, that's just as important as who has sold out. Yeah, so I mean, you come across, I mean, frankly, you know, looking at someone Because to me, that's just as important as who has sold out. Yeah, so I mean, you come across, I mean, frankly, you know, looking at someone like Ron Brown, he was corrupt, but he was going to, you know, work with the investigators and he gets killed off. What kind of message does that send to other people at the ITA in the Commerce Department that

we're going to testify to Congress? You want to end up like Ron Brown? department that we're going to testify to Congress. You want to end up like Ron Brown? So you're saying that behind closed doors, those types of talks are happening where? I think it's very possible, most definitely. Yeah. I mean to think it wanted, I don't know. Again, it's hard to say because I don't know. I'm not there. I don't have access to those documents, but I think it's hard to say because I don't know. I'm not there. I don't have access to those documents, but I think it's pretty clear. You look at something like the FBI,

for example, more recently. There is apparently an FBI document that has been requested by Congress that shows Biden engaging and play to play politics with the foreign national. The FBI won't release it. Aren't the FBI, no one's above the law, all this stuff. Everyone's supposed to be on the same playing field.

Oh, you know, if that type of corruption really was happening in the US, the FBI would investigate it, for sure. Why don't they? Well, I think you just kind of have to go back and look at the history of the FBI. You know, a lot of these people like J. Edgar Hoover and people like that have sort of been given this mythical legendary status,

their paragons of morality, you know, all this stuff. But if you look back at Hoover, for example, an insane amount of mob associations or mob linked businessmen, he was obsessed with blackmail acquiring it on friend and foe. He was involved in power struggles with the early intelligence services

about who was gonna have more control over america uh... according to a case that was one uh... by martin luther king junears family in the late nineties uh... hovers fb i was responsible for killing martin luther king juneir killing who are the i linked to killing more martin luther king june yeah there there was a civil trial that was brought by King's own family and they said and the result of that was yeah, it was the FBI.

Winnie, I have a question for you. And that was the 60s. So if nothing happened to them then, what do you think's going on now? I you know, my problem is that I feel like, you know, thinking about like my own family, for example, and how they like view my work or my grandparents, people like that, you know, the way they were told, things worked is not the way things were really working then. And a lot of the American public, in my opinion, has sort of been fed this fairy tale that the government is your friend,

the government's here to help, but essentially if you look at the history, the government's the mob, or they act like the mob. Well, it's funny, everything that they arrested, the mobsters for, they've been doing it. It's been solidation. But it's consolidation. You know what I mean?