PBD Podcast - Who Is Andrew Wilson? | PBD Podcast | Ep. 707

Episode Date: December 24, 2025

Andrew Wilson joins the PBD Podcast for a wide-ranging conversation on faith, power, debate culture, feminism, Islam, progressivism, and modern masculinity. He shares his personal story, explains his confrontational debate style, and breaks down why he believes cultural battles are ultimately battles over values.------Ⓜ️ CONNECT WITH ANDREW ON MINNECT: https://bit.ly/3Neb5yC✝️ FAITH OVER FEAR COLLECTION: https://bit.ly/3MIFOUu🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2Ⓜ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kSVkso Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time!SUBSCRIBE TO: @VALUETAINMENT     @ValuetainmentComedy   @theunusualsuspectspodcast   @HerTakePod   @bizdocpodcast  ABOUT US:Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

Your eyes have a look, and there's rage behind it. Rage? Yeah, you have rage in a look that you trust nobody. In this industry, you can't trust anybody. All these holier than thou sewing circle Christians. How could you do this? And I'm thinking, shut up, you lying snake. Let me patch you on the head and read gospel.

That doesn't work. You have to destroy worldviews before you can replace worldviews. If you're not willing to do it, shut your mouth and don't criticize them. And that's why, sir, I hate the left. I hate leftists with every fiber of my being. I know that that's bad. As a Christian, you're not supposed to hate people. I get that.

But I really hate them. Progressives have been running around calling everybody who disagrees with any of their crazy-ass values, fascists. These are the people who brought us the lockdowns, the state-iss-issed garment of the mask. They gave us a fascist state. That's what they do. It was really funny. Fuentes used to say America First is inevitable. And the left made it inevitable.

How can you have guys like Nick Fuentes making such momentum? And it's like, he's a product of you. All you got to do is go look at the first. the mirror to see who's responsible for it, you dumb left-east. But I want to ask you, what is more dangerous to America? Progressive ideology or Muslims that are coming to you who are not willing to assimilate? Muslims also hate progressives, but progressives are useful idiots. So as long as Muslims can use left-wingers for the path to bring more Muslims in, they'll vote left overwhelmingly. It's a takeover. It's an invasion. Here's the way I view the world. If Christians aren't in

charge, somebody else is going to be in charge of them. And so this is a race for power. You're either going to be ruled by the lunatics of the world, or you're going to rule the lunatics of the world. Andrew Wilson. How you doing, buddy? Good. How are you? Good. It's good to have you on. I saw, we messaged a couple times on, was it X or? Yeah, I think it was X. And then I'm like, listen, you're everywhere. And I want to learn more about you. So here we are.

Well, thank you for having me. Of course. Your team's treated me very well. I appreciate that. You can always tell a lot about a person by how they treat other people. Yeah. It's so funny you're saying this. You know who said this? Who said this yesterday, Rob? Pompiliano said it yesterday on the business podcast. But Andrew, you're all over the place when I see your clips. You know, debate, fire, you know, you're making friends every day.

I can tell you're a guy that likes to make new friends. And you know. Very well loved. Yeah, very well loved. And you had a very nice debate with a fellow who we had on the podcast as well. Daniel Haggi Rajou, you guys went at it. And you were given a lot of stuff. stats that day. A lot of stats and if the audience doesn't recognize it, we will show the clip here

in a minute. But prior to going into, you know, the stuff that you're doing today, I want to learn more about your story how you came up. Off camera, you were telling me about a couple other guys we were talking about. We don't need to mention their names of how they came up. And I told you, I know nothing about the gaming world. You told me how much I'm missing out and that I should consider getting into it. But tell me. Tell me about how you got into the space. By total accident, I never belonged there to begin with. I worked with my hands. I was a robotics mechanic.

And I started as an industrial mechanic and then worked my way into being a robotics mechanic. And during the COVID-19 lockdowns, progressives who I just really hate. I mean, I really hate them. And I know I'm not supposed to. I know that that's bad. As a Christian, you're not supposed to hate people.

I get that. But I really hate them. So I would argue with them constantly on Facebook and these other, you know, like these other platforms, and just a nobody. But they started having these little panels, some of them. You know, they'd have like little video panels. Everybody was bored because COVID was going on, you know. So I started crashing those panels. And that made its way over to YouTube.

And then I started getting debates with, you know, people who I guess were big names. I didn't know who any of these people were. I didn't know who any of these people were. I didn't know anything about YouTube. Yeah. I didn't know anything about any of these people. I just knew that they were assholes. So I was happy to take them on.

So pre-COVID, you're not on YouTube. You're not on podcast. Pre-COVID, you're doing nothing. You're a robotics guy doing your thing minding your own business. I had no intention at all. If you were to ask me five years ago, if I would be an entertainer

who has one of the most super-chatted channels in the United States, I would have laughed at you. That is insane. I would have laughed at you. I've been like, no, I don't know anything about entertainment. I don't know anything about any of this. And here's what that should show you. What that should show you is that a person who just at the time had only a basic grasp of logic,

just a basic grasp of logic. Now, I've since refined that very well, right? It's part of my job. I take my job seriously. Was able to make those kinds of inroads. That's how bad discourse has fallen and the collective intelligence of people. It's bad. Who were you in high school?

14, 15 years old, who was Andrew Wilson? Um, you know, I moved, I moved around quite a bit. Uh, so I, I never got too firm of a footing anywhere. I was, uh, usually only in a place for maybe three, four years. I wouldn't say I was popular, but not unpopular, you know, just, just normal, just a normal guy. Were you a math guy? Were you a, you know, 4.2 GPA? I was more of a delinquent, like, uh, you were more than, more than, yeah, it was more like, uh, cut school whenever I could.

Were you smoking? Were you the guy that would smoke pot and go and have theories like, I had a friend of mine that would smoke a lot, and he was such an interesting guy to speak because he was brilliant. Was you, were you that guy? No, no, I was a different type. I was more like the cut school, have a cigarette, go over, hang out at the Burger King, anything I could do to avoid, you know, formal school I did. I knew then, I guess intuitively, that school was a waste of time.

There was a complete and total waste of time for me. Were you a reader? Were you somebody that was naturally, like, from what age did you start reading? Oh, I started really early, so. I was gifted in that category. So how it was explained to me was that people who are really, really, really good at math are often really terrible in the arena of reading

and knowledge recall and vice versa. I was never great at math, but I was always excellent with reading and comprehension and things like this. So, yeah, I just never had any problems in that domain. Who was the male figure in your life? My dad. Your dad.

Tell me about your dad. What did your dad do? he uh well he had a rough story i don't know if i've been really i don't really talk about myself too much um it's just not my thing but my dad he was um he was an entertainer he grew up in the california area in covina and um my grandfather he was in the army air core in world war two there was no air force at the time he was in the army air core and uh he got married young my dad was the oldest of four and uh he was an entertainer in Covina at 18 he was playing private clubs and things like this he was a singer and then

Vietnam rolled around and he got drafted and he didn't want to go in the army so he joined the Air Force and when he joined the he joined the Air Force he went and he served and he got back home and he found out that his wife was you know fucking around on him so that was pretty rough and that's not that's not that's not your mother that's somebody yeah that's uh that's yeah somebody else's mother got it anyway what a mother you know all you shoot me. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So anyway, after that happens,

he was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis and told he was going to die. So he moved in with my grandparents and readyed himself for the for the end, essentially. He met... How old was he at that time? This time, I believe he is late 20s.

And so he made a slight recovery, kind of a rally, and he met my mom, and they got got married fairly quickly within a year or two. And luckily, she was a nurse, and she's been taking care of him ever since. Since. They're still together.

Oh, yeah. Good for him. Oh, yeah. And so what did he do after entertainment? Because I know West Covina, but what did he do after entertainment? He had basically odd jobs. He stayed at home with us. My mom worked because he was very sick.

And so he stayed at home and took care of the kids. That was what he did. The other way around. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, well, he had to. He was too sick to work. So you said he's your male figure that you looked up to.

So how did he raise you? What did he teach you? Did he teach you toughness? Was it mental? Was it reading? He taught me something much more important than all that, which was how to think. More than anything else, it was how to think. What he taught me early on was most people, the things that they say, they have no justification

for any of the things they say. And most of them are just repeating something somebody else said. And the sooner you realize that, the sooner you realize that, the sooner you're, You realize how you can get. What a powerful thing to say. Yeah, you'll realize how to get to the truth. Wow. How you get to the truth of everything quickly.

So what was his opinion on how to do that? His opinion on how to do that was to ask him, how do you know that? How do you, and where did you learn that? How do you actually know that that is the case? Was he a Scientologist or was he a Christian? He was a Christian. He was a Christian. Because you know, that's what they teach in Scientology.

In Scientology, one of the first things they teach you is when you know when somebody says something is how do you know that let's go look up the exact definition what is the true meaning of that to want to get to the bottom of the source but uh yeah he wasn't uh yeah no not a scientologist at all he what he was was a guy who was taught from a different era how to think um you know he was he was an old man for his time let's say you know he was a product of the 40s essentially um and yeah he he knew how to think and he still knows how to think he's still alive and you know even though they gave him a tow tag with multiple sclerosis said you're going to die uh he beat all odds but that's what he taught me that's what he taught me that's what he taught

what's your age difference between the two you and your father uh how old was he when you were born you know i don't i don't know i'd have to think about it i'm not sure let's see he was born he was born in 40 i want to say 42 so he's 83 my dad's also 1942 yeah what months is birthday uh his isn't july Okay, mine's April 10th. Interesting. So how are you? I'm 41. You're 41. So then 30-ish when you were born. So wasn't an older father. It was a younger father, relatively, you know, the age that you go through.

Well, I don't mean old isn't physically old. I mean, his mind was trained. Totally get it. Yeah, his mind was trained by somebody from an older generation. Which is his, which is your grandfather. Which was my grandfather. Now, was it, was it, like, if your father was, we went to dinner tonight and your father's with us, is he a debate guy? Is he a guy that'll sit there quietly? Does he push back? Does he argue?

Is he argumentative? Is he, he's not this, no, he's not, agreeable. He's not the same way I am at all. My dad has a very commanding presence. So, and he's extraordinarily likable. What happens, you go out to dinner with him, you sit down within five minutes, you want to hear everything he's ever had to say about everything. That's the type of guy he is. the type of guy he's always been he's a very very respectable guy and a very respectable guy how many

of you guys how many kids did your mom well he had two with with my mom my mom had two children from a previous marriage and then he had three from a previous from his first marriage seven total total okay so two it's from same mom and dad and are you guys seven close to each other not really the the ones i was immediately raised with we are the the four of us which would be my mom's two children from her previous marriage and we were raised so closely together i actually didn't even realize that we weren't we were half brother and half sister it had to be explained to me when i when i did a great job yeah it had to be explained to me but you know when i was 10 or 12 and i still didn't really get it yeah you know like it just i just didn't think of it that way

Makes sense. Yeah. So is there a common pattern between the four kids that were raised by your father and mother? Like, is there a common threat that somebody would notice

on mindset, on, you know, values, on certain principles? They don't take no shit from nobody. None of them.

So is your dad from Covina or did your grandpa moved from somewhere else to Covina? Or was he also from... He was raised in Covina. So your grandpa's also Covina. Interesting. Okay, so don't take shit from nobody.

it doesn't take any shit from anybody but also all of them can comprehensively think that's the most important part they don't have presuppositional thinking instead they were all of us were taught how to get to the heart of an issue very quickly by having this kind of this precept understanding that most people the things that they say are actually untrue and they did not come to those thoughts on their own they came to those thoughts because somebody else gave them to them. Most people can't control their thinking. They don't know how. That's something you've learned.

That's not something you're born with. Most people, they don't think their own thoughts, and most of the thoughts that are in their head are put in their head from some other source. Very rarely do you find that people came to a position on their own. It's actually very rare. So one would argue that and say you came to the positions you have if your parents are Christians, it is true, what you're saying is traditionally we will do what our parents will believe in because of values, respect, honor, you know, comfort, you know, certain things that we

recognize, you know, we see. So how do you view yourself as somebody that is that, that you question things to get to the bottom of it? How do you know that you're actually doing it yourself? By eliminating presupposition and using logic, logic has laws, governing laws. And when you eliminate presupposition you get to the standard of why it is that you have a position you realize most positions you have are completely unjustified give me a case give me an idea like you know you have a lot of topics that you guys talk about so okay pick one and just go let me give you a case okay uh why would it be that incest is wrong why would it be that incestate is wrong let's say let's say you had two brothers they're twin brothers yes and they're in an incestuous relationship okay why is that actually wrong

well if I go get data and data shows me data has to be interpreted data has to be interpreted and so even if you interpret that it has bad outcomes so what all relationships have the potential for bad outcomes what makes it actually wrong tell me no you tell me you're asking me the question I'm asking you the question um I go in two places I go one logic I go one values and principles okay well logic Well, then logically, I would go get the data. If I go get the data and the data shows me that incest produces better high IQ, safer communities, job creators, independent, crime is low, incredible society, great inventions,

great innovations, then I would say maybe we ought to entertain it. Okay, but what if it's the case that data shows the opposite of that? But there's just one case. It's just one case of twin brothers doing it. That's it. Just those guys. Is that wrong? Is that wrong of them to do it?

And the data of one twin brothers doing it. Yeah. You got one set of twin brothers. They're doing this. Nobody else in the community is. What makes that actually wrong? From data standpoint, that's a different story. From the value standpoint, I would go to, you know, spiritual,

you know, a denomination, I'm a non-denominational Christian, and according to my values and principles that is not the right way to live. And that's why, sir, I hate the left. You just mapped it out perfectly. This is exactly why I hate leftists with every fiber of my being. Tell me why. Because what you just gave me was an attempt at an epistemic justification, right? The knowledge for why this thing is wrong is based on the value set that I have, which I'm going to try to spiritually justify, right? The leftists can't do that. Why? Because they're atheistic by nature and they're cynics by nature as well. They can never give you a justification for why something like that's wrong. So when you ask them a question like that in a debate, they just bite the bullet. It's not

wrong. Without needing to give an argument. They don't need to give an argument. They just don't think it's wrong. It isn't wrong. Okay. So let me ask a question because you're in this thing more than I am. and you're in it on a daily basis. I've been around people for a long time, and I built businesses where I had to attract people from all walks of life. Nationality, ethnicity, it doesn't matter. It was one of the best exercises

because I would learn about culture, you know, whether it's the difference between somebody that's Mexican from Michoacan versus a Mexican from Halisco versus a Mexican from Sakatecas versus, you know, El Salvador versus Guatemalan versus Jews versus, you know, all these different types of things you look at, right? Yeah, that makes sense. So, and then you look at, I'm like, I meet somebody.

I'm like, why do you believe in socialism? Why do you believe in, you know, one time I'm in a dinner with a guy who's about to marry a girl, and we're going out there to learn about her for the first time. He was one of my main players in the company, and I'm sitting there listening to her talk. And we go into this argument of, you know, gay rights is like civil rights. I said gay rights of civil rights I said yeah tell me why and she starts trying to give this argument

I said do you believe in what she's saying and he doesn't know what to say so he sides with me because he's very much a Christian conservative himself but he's stuck in this sphere that he doesn't know what to do so eventually I keep continuing to talk to her because I want to learn why she believes and what she believes in so

do you think progressives can help themselves because they're born that way and do you think you are who you are because you were born that way? Or do you think you are who you are and believe in what you believe in because your father taught you well where if your father was, let's pick a man. If your father was Gavin Newsom, you would have been a very different human being. I think it's both.

I think that you're a product of genes and environment, just like an alcoholic. You could have a propensity for alcoholism, but if no alcohol is present, right, you never have to worry about being an alcoholic. This is the same exact thing with environment versus genetics. I do think that I have some predispositions to some types of behaviors. And if I was raised by a leftist, perhaps I would engage in a more left-wing attitude towards things for a while until I started questioning things. Now, I didn't come to the view, my father's view, completely because he taught it to me. I came to it because when I rebelled against it, it was disastrous.

Tell me about that time. Oh, I mean, I was essentially a delinquent in my early 20s. I mean, I was very... But what contradicted the values he taught you? Like, what behavior did you do that contradicted what he was saying? I was promiscuous. I moved away from God. I moved away from the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Moved away from everything. For how long? I don't know, years. Let's see. Probably a good seven years. How bad was the fall? I mean, it wasn't so terrible that I, I was robbing liquor stores, but it was bad enough that I became part of the apparatus

of the delinquent portion of the world. I didn't care about very much. Nothing was particularly important to me. It was a very nihilistic mindset, and most of it was based purely around materialistic goals and the idea of self-gain. None of it, in other words, there was nothing I was engaging in that wasn't completely selfish and self-centered, not a single thing in retrospect. what brought you back um i think my wife ultimately brought me back she seemed to see something in me

she seemed to see something good in me how'd you guys meet uh we actually met online you know uh believe or not and uh she had children and we dated and we had a real rocky start you know what i mean but uh she just she just didn't give up on me man at that time if i knew you would i have considered you a Christian nationalist, you know, conservative, what I have said, the day she met you. Yeah, you would have considered me like a cringe libertarian, you know, self-centered jerk, probably. A cringe libertarian, self-centered jerk. Yeah.

Give me an example of someone that's like that today, where I could kind of, uh, I don't know. I guess ideologically, let's say Dave Smith. Okay. Okay. Not, I'm not saying that Dave Smith is a delinquent jerk. You just call them a cringe. I'm just saying. I'm saying that he is a cringe libertarian, and I would say it to his face, okay, and have.

I've debated with Dave many times, and one every time. But anyway, the point is, is... I'm assuming you guys are friends. Yeah, we're friends. Yeah, I've got no problems with Dave at all. Nothing but nice things to say about him. He's always been very kind to me. But the delinquent part would be, I don't know, just take like just the typical guy who really doesn't care as far as dating goes,

is willing to rack up bodies, is willing to bang random chicks, doesn't really care. Got it. So she was one of the, maybe the second reason outside of your dad for you to go back to being a Christian values, conservative values.

Would you say she influenced that? Probably more than any other individual, yes. Including dad. Including dad. Tell me what was the reason? I think because when you have somebody who has that kind of faith in you, They have that kind of trust in you, that kind of faith in you, and they lean that heavily on you.

And they just, they put all of that faith in you. It's hard for you not to begin to recategorize things in life. And one of the things you have to recategorize is, you know, it's not all about me. You know, this really isn't all about me. There's, now there's kids involved, you know, there's a woman involved. There's other aspects of life here, which transcend what I might want for me. and the idea that somebody puts the type of faith in you that you can lead in that type of situation very I think that more than any other single thing that probably brought my faith back to me

so was was it a first time where somebody spoke hope and belief in you like I believe in you you're capable of doing something bigger was it was it a language like that first time first time in your life well that's magical by the way it's funny you say that because to me the first time in my life I experienced that language by a guy named Kogan when I was about to re-enlist in the Army. I'm 20 years old. He calls me. He speaks that language to me.

And at that time, I'm just a regular punk that's party in six days a week. I'm in the Army just, you know, live in... What was your M-O-S? 63 Bravo. I was, how more mechanic? I was living a... By the way, Vinny and I almost re-enlisted last night

after the president gave $1,750. We almost thought about getting back in. I almost called Pete Hex out. You and Rob, we're like, Listen, guys, they just go. They wouldn't let Adam, though. Adam, there was like, you can't show him. They won't let him go.

Tom's above the age. It wasn't that long ago. You'd get 50,000 bucks for signing up. 1750. That's real money. So one million, four hundred and five. No, but let me tell you, I actually like the fact that he's doing that because it's active. 1.45 million people he's given that to.

But going back to it, he spoke that language. I did not know what that sounded like. And the language was why I shouldn't re-listened the army and I should get out because I can make it as a civilian. And up until that point, I was the fun guy you would go and have party with, and I was very good at math, and I couldn't stand anything else. I was the opposite of you. I was the math guy.

I was a guy that had an easy time with calculus or math analysis or trigonometry. That was my world. I see everything through numbers. But so wife speaks that language. You've never had this experience. Then you say, I need somebody like this in my life. Then you guys get married. Well, it wasn't quite that uncomplex.

but yes essentially you know we dated for a few years and then got married yes how long have you guys been together uh total 18 years 18 years yeah married for 12 of it married 12 together 18 years okay so now somebody who doesn't know you doesn't know your story because i don't know if your story's been told like i didn't know anything about your background what you just shared right now so if somebody doesn't know you and a guy you're age, at that time when you met your wife, comes up to me and it says, hey, I'm falling in up with a girl who's got two kids from previous marriage, but I love her. She treats me like no one else has in my life before. What advice would you give him? Well, it was more complex

than that. She had three children. She had a previous marriage, and then she had children from her high school sweetheart. This was a massive failure of parenting on her parents' fault. Yeah, it It was a very complex web there. But her mother suffered from severe mental illness and was a militant feminist. And... Militant feminists. What a combination. I want to do a podcast with her.

Brought a pedophile into the home. Oh, God. And, yeah, it was a real mess for her. So anyway, her dad fought, got custody, thank God. But she had a rough, she had a rough background for sure. Okay. So what would you say to that guy? What would you say to guide the age of the same age when I met your wife?

Hey, I'm meeting somebody, complicated background, more I'm learning about her. It's a lot of, you know, issues and drama. Yeah. Because I'll tell you, I dated a girl. I'm with her for three years. Love her. I won't even give stories, but her upbringing was completely messed up. And I go and talk to my pastor about it.

And my pastor's advice was whatever you don't. like now, it's just going to get worse and it's going to get more. And so I stepped away from the relationship. And I went a complete different route. And no father figure in the picture. It was, it was opposite. For yours, her father came in and saved, which is actually good. She felt protected. I don't know if I've heard a militant feminist. I'd love to meet her. Sincerely, I'd love to meet her. But, uh, no, you wouldn't. Yeah, what I'm saying is I would love to see how much of a whack job or how entertaining and why she believes in what she believes in.

But what advice would you give to a guy today who's like you in your sphere, he kind of looks up to you as like, man, I'm 30, here's where I'm 26. What advice would you give to him? Same exact situation meets the same exact girl that you would. Well, there's two things. The first is I don't generally do the advice thing and here's why. Without really intricately

understanding a person's situation inside and out, you generally, this has just been my experience you can actually give them advice which is very damaging to them if you don't actually know them inside now but to engage with the question itself i would say look this there's a lot of complicated factors and you need to really assess all those factors because most of these types relationships do not work out and that's a fact uh mine was an outlier it did right but there was a lot of pain a lot of agony that went into that there was a lot of rewards too but there was a lot of pain agony and she would tell them the exact same thing. The truth is, is that for most people,

relationships like this, they don't work well. They just don't. That doesn't mean, though, that they can't, or that if you're in love with somebody, you shouldn't pursue that. It just means that you should be aware of what the risks are and assess them accordingly before, you know, so that you don't, for instance, let me give you an example of this. There's going to be all sorts of baggage that come with dating a single mom or marrying a single mom that's not going to be there if you don't marry a woman who already has children. There's no if, hands, or buts about that. However, there could also be all sorts of perks that come with that. For instance, you know, women like this, they tend to think outside of themselves. Not everything is about them.

They're not quite so narcissistic because they have other people that they have to take care of. They've graduated that. Yeah. They've moved past that. So there's maybe a level of maturity there that can offset that for some men. But that's not all of them either. Some of them are still very much suffer from female narcissism and, you know, are basically total bitches. So I think you've got to assess it case by case. But generally speaking, those types of relationships, they don't work out that well for most people. Do you have a son? I did. He died in an accident. When he was 10, he died in a car accident. You got to be kidding me. I am so sorry to hear that I did not know that yeah it's uh no harm no foul he didn't know you know what I mean but yeah when he was um so I had him since he was basically two um this was uh Rachel's youngest son so yeah yeah so I had him since he was two when he was 10 he went over to watch a movie at a friend's house um his his friend was the same age they went to

school together while they were both over watching the movie the older brother stole a car his parents car put him inside of it took it out on the road and basically high-tailed it into a tree and crushed him to death so the other kid who was driving he went out the front window the other 10 year old no it wasn't he wasn't 10 this was the 10 year old's older brother but the 10 year old was in the car as well nope he wasn't what why did he take his brother's best friend was he you What the police said... It's a little weird. Yeah, this is what this kind of the speculation was,

was, you know how younger kids look up to older kids? You know what I mean? That basically he wanted to impress the 14-year-old by... Yeah, I'll go with you. Or the 10-year-old wanted to impress the 14-year-old. Yeah, yeah, I'll go with you. Did the driver, did the older kid, one that flew out the window, pass away as well?

No. Oh, wow. He made it? He made it. Yeah, thank God. He made it. He had a broken arm. He went out the windshield.

He had a broken arm. Good kid. I'm not sure that I would say that. He ended up being something of a delinquent. I don't know what his story is now because you're talking about almost, I think, I think 10 years ago now. But at the time, yeah, it was the most kind of heart-wrenching, awful, horrific experience that you can imagine. And I remember I was coming home, essentially, from looking for him. So, you know, my wife called me frantically and was like, hey, you know, we can't get a hold of him.

What's going on? Can he go over and check? Said, sure, I went over checked. He's not here, you know. So she called the police. The police were out looking. And I remember driving up to the driveway. And there was cop cars there.

And I was like, oh, great, you know, they got him. You know, so, you know, I walk inside. the cops were still in the cruisers and i came up to the front door and they came walking up and you know they didn't have him with him and the first thing the cop said was i have some very bad news and she just she knew right then and there she just collapsed so i i told the story once um because it's it's a hard one to remember but but she let out this blood curdling scream just blood curdling i'll never forget it as long as long as you're not as I live it was the there's just nothing as horrible as that sound and I just

anytime I think about it you know what I mean it still it still makes the basically the hairs on my back my neck stand up it was just it's just a scream of agony you know just emotional agony and it was yeah it was crushing it was just absolutely devastating how long did it take for her then I know the answer is never but how long did it take for her to get back to actually being able to do the day-to-day stuff? Yeah, we went, I remember talking, I was very lucky. The person who ran the funeral home, he was a former police officer. He was a sniper in the police force, in fact.

And he sat me down and he explained. He explained how all this works. He says, listen, I've seen this many times before, and I'm going to tell you a bunch of things. That night he's telling you? This was the next day. When I was making, we made the funeral arrangements and this and that. He said, can he come and meet with us? Or it was a day after, I don't remember.

But one of those, within the next, within two days of it. So I went in and sat down with him, you know, and I was a mess. I was a mess. And she was really a mess. And anyway, I sat down with him. He said, I'm going to tell you some things. He said, they're going to be really hard, but I need you to understand. He said, the first thing is she's never going to be the same.

Ever. Just never. she'll find a new normal and the person that you love is still in there but it's never going to be the same for her life's never going to be the same for food's not going to quite taste the same again the air she breeze isn't going to be as fresh as it as it ever could be right that's just what the new normal is going to be and he said your job is to take care of all of this so that she doesn't have to that's your job so do your job and i said okay that's it that's it wow yeah you um you witness these things

and you and you see somebody going through it and it is it is a very very difficult thing uh to go through and i'm assuming that guy who had that conversation who was a cop sniper you said yeah um yeah he used uh interestingly enough i was talking to you what to you when of your security team members outside. You know, I'm a bit of a gun nut myself. And, you know, we kind of, the second I was talking to this director, you know, he was kind of telling me a little bit

about his backstory. And I think it was just kind of put me at ease. You know, they were using M1 Carbeens when he was in the force as snipers. M1 Carveens. That's what the police, yeah, that's what the police officers were issuing at the time. Open sight. They'd no scopes, no nothing. And

he had a couple of barricaded suspect situations where he had to take the you know the perp out with an m1 carbine and i was just like you know that kind of blew me away um but yeah he so he's kind of old school this guy's law enforcement experience was but uh as far as a funeral home director went i mean he just laid me down and just he just laid it all out and said this is what you need to do i mean he laid out everything you know he said there's going to be people who are going to come and they're going to pay their respects you're not even going to know them.

They're just going to read about this in the paper and it's going to upset them. You know, he said, maybe they'll drop five bucks or maybe they'll drop some flowers. He said, you're going to write every one of those people a thank you letter.

Wow. He said, write every single one of them a thank you letter and tell them thank you. He said, it doesn't matter if you know them, you don't know him, he just walked me through everything. So I was, you know, in retrospect,

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the job where he has to go visit the spouse and tell him, hey, let me tell you, that's the job. Can you imagine that's your job and that's all you do all day? And, you know, hey, your husband's not coming home. I'm sorry to tell you. Your son is no longer with us. Well, like in Saving Private Ryan,

they won't have to go tell how many people over and over and over. Andrew, when I look at your eyes and I see you in different things or even when you walked in here, you have a look, your eyes have a look, and there's rage behind it. Okay, that's the look you have. Why do you have that look?

Rage? Yeah, you have rage. There is like, there is a certain look where, you know, it looks, you're skeptical always, and you have rage and a look that you trust nobody. Well, maybe, maybe to an extent, in this industry, you can't trust anybody. You, I mean, you probably know that well.

I've noted that there have been many, many hit pieces on you. The more famous, and the more famous you get, the more they'll be. Same here. I have tons and tons on me as well. And one of the few people in this industry that I do trust, you probably know, Stephen Crowder, right, I saw what these people did to him. I saw what they did to him. And I saw what the people who were supposedly on my side did to him.

I call him the sewing circle Christian. and these people do basically keep me in a continuous state of rage. And the reason why is this. It's like, I'm sure you've heard the Teddy Roosevelt, you know, the man in the arena speech, right? You know, that's what a guy like Crowder was and is, the man in the arena, just everybody's a critic, you know. And I remember when that video came out that they, you know, they spread it everywhere. his political enemies is that his bitch ex-wife all of them just spread it everywhere right he's an abuser he's a this he's a that and i'm like i remember watching that video and thinking

oh that ain't even that bad that ain't even that bad in the backyard of the house yeah i was like man i've been a worse feces than that with my with my old lady what are you talking about right i actually agree yeah i was like i've been a worse fice of that with my old lady over way less over way way more petty stuff. You know what I mean? And it's like, and the thing is, it's like all these holier than now people.

This guy, this clip. Yeah. Yeah, we've all seen this. Yeah. And all these holier than thou, sewing circle Christians are like, how could you endorse it of abuser? How could you defend an abuser?

How could you do this? And I'm thinking, shut up, you lying snake. Like, there's no way you're going to convince me that in the course of your relationship of 20 years, that if we had cameras on you at all times, we're not going to find this moment times 20. It's going to happen.

Just shut up. A hundred percent. Yeah, just shut up. Stop bullshitting me. You know what I mean? But the thing is, is a lot of those people who are the critics, let's say in your case, my case, Crowder's case, many others, a lot of that, I think, comes from a position of jealousy.

And it comes from a position of envy. And because of that, you know, these people. all they do is criticized, but my challenge has always been to the sewing circle, Christians. Well, where are you? Like, I'm on the other end of the most diabolical people daily. I'm in the most hostile environments, the most hostile panels, right? I'm always completely surrounded. I've never seen any of you.

Where the hell are you? Well, you're siding with our enemies because I'm too mean, or Crowder's too mean, or anybody who defends themselves is too mean. Why don't you show us how it's done? and they're nowhere. They're nowhere. In many ways, I respect leftists who will engage on their ideology, right, and engage on the arguments,

much more than I respect my own side of which has many of these sewing circle Christians who refuse to engage, but instead just want a virtue signal to the audience. No, no, no, no. I'm a real Christian. You would never hear me say something so nasty and evil to a diabolical person who just told me they killed three of their kids. kids in the womb you know and i'm like what i'm supposed to sit there and go oh well okay then

let me let me patch you on the head and read gospel that doesn't work you have to destroy world views before you can replace world views yeah stephen called me the day this was released it could have been the day or the next day and he says hey i just won't tell you here's what's going to release was already released this is what really happened i'm listening to him for 45 minutes and the call-in's like this i said stephen he will never hear hear me comment on this i said we're not commenting on this kind of stuff and rob and i talked about it rob if you remember we're doing podcast prep i'm like this is really not a topic i want to talk about marriage is hard people got to figure it out of course if it's like you know someone shot and killed or something

like that okay we have to comment on that but an argument like this let them handle it the way did. I thought it got out of control and it wasn't a, it became too much of a thing because it was around the same time that he was negotiating the contract with, what do you call it, with Daily Wire, right? And where he came out and he read the contract on what they offered him and all this stuff, that we commented on. And I said, look, you know, when you do something like that, I would be hesitant to ever making an offer to you. Because then it's kind of like, are you going to go share my contract with them publicly. But Crowder to me, he's a guy that...

Yeah, well, Jeremy Boring and those people at Daily Wire shouldn't have been trying to negotiate with his ex-wife on the side. We reacted to that, God knows how many times. And then, trust me, I don't think anybody in the market would say, you know, we are best friends with Jeremy Boring again, Ben Shapiro, and Ben Shapiro loves us. And, you know, it's like, no, I've been on his show. He's been on my show.

We invited him. He's canceled a couple times. Jeremy Boring's been on. We've had good conversation. Actually, Jeremy Boring, we had a very good conversation together. But I don't know when the whole Candace thing that was taking place, everybody thought Candace is automatically going to come here. They blamed us for, you know, this is what's going on.

No, I'm on the phones. I'll help you. I'll help you. I'll help you. Sure. You know, our enemy is on the outside. My, you know, sometimes the distractions. Can you tell me while you're going through this?

What do you mean by, did you call it sewing circle Christians that got three abortions? Who are you talking? talking about? Well, on my side of the aisle, most critics, right, because I engage oftentimes, my argument style starts and ends with Christian ethics. That's always the viewpoint that I'm coming from, whether I'm debating politics or I'm debating social issues or I'm debating any of these things. That's my grounded foundation. So most of my criticisms don't actually come from leftist, though many of them do. They actually come from a particular brand of Christian. And, And I don't know what you would say, maybe virtue signalers, right?

They're always trying to signal their virtues. And it's always like, oh, my God, you smoke, you smoke cigarettes or, oh, you drink beer. Real Christians don't drink beer. Like, it's always petty criticisms. But anytime there's controversy around me or a clip taken out of context or something like this, these are the first people to rush in and give me universal condemnation, mostly so that my enemies will look at them. And these are leftists, right?

They want leftists to look at them and think, you're the good Christians. And it's like the whole time, so in other words, the whole time these people are burning the whole forest down around our ears, right? And I say, hey, put those fucking matches down. Hey, don't say the F word. I'm like, well, wait, we got a bigger problem here. We got it. We got a bigger problem here. Nope, you said the F word.

Yeah. That's no good. Yeah. And so those people to me are like the lowest of the low. Who are they? Well, I mean, if you want specific names. specific names if you're comfortable saying who are some of them so i would say people like lila rose representatives like lila rose i would even say uh you know reps like trint horn

people like this these are people who they themselves may not necessarily levy the criticism directly but it's the influence that they have over the various audiences that they have that then go and direct these criticisms towards you got it though i never actually see these people in the arena debating these social issues with anybody they'll do a board abortion debates, things like this, but I never see them surrounded with a panel of like the worst degenerates on earth debating all of their worldview simultaneously, but they have tons of criticisms for people who do. And I'm like, well, where are you?

Nowhere. And where are you, by the way, when anybody wants to debate you on why it is that you're so inactive when it comes to the culture, war, and social issues, right? They turn all that stuff down. They refuse to argue with the red pillars. They refuse to argue with any of these people. They literally just refused to engage. Tons of criticisms, absolute refusal to engage.

Got it. So Lila Rose, one time I was on her show, this was about a year, year and a half ago. And she, we were talking about, I don't know how abortion came about. And I just kind of gave my view. And then she disagreed and went back and forth. I'm like, okay, yeah. And it's very obvious. She's like the fully, fully goody-to-shoe, like everything I do right, that's what it is.

But to me, I think there's a place for her as well. But guys like you, you know, to become you, you have to have lived a shitty life to get tough and be willing to go in the arena and be able to handle it. You just have to. I agree. You have to have lived a very, very rough life. And you don't just say, let me raise kids

and make their life a living hell to raise a Andrew Wilson. That's not how it works. you go have a very, very difficult upbringing in. You got this pain, this chalice, this, all this stuff that you've carried. And then boom. And you're like in fight mode and fight like, what's the next one? Who's the next one? That's not for everybody.

You can't train her to be like you. I agree. Yeah. But I think there's a place for both of you guys. And I even agree with that. What I don't agree with is if you're not willing to do it, shut your mouth and don't criticize then. Got it. So if you're not willing to get in the arena, don't react and don't give your thoughts on what Andrew Wilson believes.

That's right. If you're not willing to do it yourself, and here's the thing, I've always had an open challenge. That's never going to stop. The reaction audiences, that's a business model. Look, I totally get it. And I understand that this is something I'll always have to deal with. But that doesn't mean that I can't say publicly, well, show me how it's done then. Or, hey, many times we put the offers out, then you come in.

show me how you would do it better and then we watch him fail and flop over and over and over again it's not as easy as it looks as you know of course and by the way guy like stephen crowder the same way he had a bad fall he can make a massive comeback and be the main guy again at one point i think he was the main guy no wasn't crowder like the guy oh yeah he was he's coming back yeah yeah yeah no i'm so glad he's come about i'm so glad like he's you can see the eyes that the eye of the tiger is back in it like you you can tell you're saying you're taking some I'm kidding I'm kidding I'm kidding I'm kidding he's going to call you and he's going to say something to you like what are you doing yeah no I think

I've told Stephen that I think that that he's wasted and you know that he he does best the thing is with him and I completely understand it you know he's built he's built a mode around himself

you know what I mean and it's like but that's not where you shine man you shine in that arena engaging you know coffee yeah fighting it out like you're he's really good at it he's really good at he's had tons and tons of guests coming in now and he's duking it out with him right and he's doing it in the stephen crowder way right it's both respectful yeah and it's incitful sarcastic yeah he has to have all that yeah and it's fun to watch and he's a super smart guy what do you believe in if if because at the beginning in the first three minutes you said I hate progressives when I was going back and forth with them on Facebook and you know

tell me tell me you know one what you believe in and you made one of the points of why you hate cap progressives when you asked me to question you're like so twin brothers incest why is that wrong right what reason I hate I'll explain to you I hate progressives more than anything progressives have been for the last 10 years actually more running around calling everybody who disagrees with any of their crazy-ass values, fascists and authoritarians and dictators and things like this. These are the people who brought us the lockdowns, the state-issued garment of the mask, right? Mandatory vaccines they wanted. They wanted vaccine passports. They shut down businesses. They gave us a fascist state. So when these people are in charge,

they give you fascism. That's what they do. And yet, all I ever hear these people do is run around That's what they call him. They call him a fascist. I've heard him do it many times. You and your fascist friends. I've heard him say it. And it's like, they. You guys aren't peers together.

And they never tell us, but then we just show up and they'll have like a Steve Bunnell or they have just everybody completely on the left that didn't say one thing. Not one thing, my body, my choice, when they were telling them, stay in the house. Oh, and by the way, jab it into your kids. When you have people like Cuomo and them saying, you know what the real enemy is, your fellow Americans. Yeah. When they were calling us, us fascists,

and meanwhile, they were behind this freaking Nazi ass. You're wearing your mask. You're trying to kill my grandma, right? So this was when, in other words, here's the way I view the world. Christians, if they are not in power, if they're not ruling, they're going to be ruled. That's it.

So if that's the case, and that is the case, we live in a democracy, which is full of structured power blocks. Everything is a power block. And because of that, you're going to be ruled by a power block or you're going to rule a power block. This idea that Christians shouldn't be in charge, I think, is insane. And I think it comes from a bizarre libertarian ethos that makes no sense where the idea here is you can be a Christian, but you can't govern using Christian ethics. And it's like, well, yeah, you can. And yes, you should.

You absolutely should be able to govern using Christian ethics. That's the only way you should govern is from your ethical purview, in fact. and if you're not governing, if Christians aren't in charge, somebody else is going to be in charge of them. And so this is a race for power, and it's always been a race for power. And for some reason, Christians have been convinced to give their power up. And one of the core seats of my message is that they shouldn't do that, and instead should do everything they can to maintain political power. That's the non-apologetics branch. So the way that the Internet is currently structured, you have the apologetics branch of Christianity.

That's the role you're talking about with Trent Horn and Lila Rose and these people, the apologetics branch. You have barely any of the political branch for Christianity. No good representation on that side. Politics is ugly. It's mean and it's brutal and it's not fun and it's full of slings and arrows and mudslinging and reputational assaults and reputational damage, right? That's what it's full of. I just wish that the apologetics arm would get their shit together and understand that the very things

that they're trying to fight against abortion, things like this, they need the political arm for. And if they're not willing to engage in it, then they should at least support the people who are instead of endlessly criticizing them. And that's all they do. That's all they know how to do. But that's the way I see it.

I see it as a power block struggle. You're either going to be ruled by the lunatics of the world or you're going to rule the lunatics of the world. Which lunatic do you fear the most? And which lunatic seems like is making the most progress? of like Gavin Newsom, lunatics like this. We now have a communist in charge of New York. I mean, you name the progressive AOC.

She's another lunatic. All of these progressives, from my view, are actual lunatics with no grounding ideology whatsoever other than what they've heard. They don't have God. They don't have Jesus. They don't have anything to turn to for epistemic grounding, nothing. And they literally rule from feelings, suicidal empathy. And they put suicidal empathy.

policy form. That's why we have mass migration. I mean, the most insane policy I could ever think of is let's bring in a million and a half people a year into a nation. If you want to do immigration, fine. Do immigration, but bring in a manageable number that can be integrated. 30,000, 50,000, 60,000. I don't think anybody would have a problem with that. You know, you can integrate those people over time, you can spread them out, you can do all this. That's not what's going on. What's going on is they're bringing in millions per year. In Australia, they're bringing in whole percentages of the population herely in Canada the same thing. It's insanity.

And then they go out, if you object, you're a Nazi. It's like, what are you talking about? If I object to that, I'm a Nazi, you're going to bring in people who don't have value structures that are the same as our value structures. They don't have the same type of American drive. They don't have the same values. They don't have the same anything. And me objecting to that means that I'm a fashion. Now, that's crazy to me.

I consider that lunacy. I consider these people on the lunatic fringe of the political spectrum, and yet they're gaining power. And so they go, why is it that the fringe right is making such momentum? How can you have guys like Nick Fuentes making such momentum? And it's like, he's a product of you. Okay, he's a product of you. Say, well, how come his message has come?

How come his message's time has come? It's like, because of you. You made it inevitable. It was really funny. Fuentes used to say America First is inevitable, and people would scoff, right? And the left made it inevitable. If they think about what they did,

they de-platform the guy. They said, make your own technology, smart guy. So he did. Right? So he makes his own streaming platform, right? Next thing in the headlines, Nazis making their own streaming platforms. Well, you told them to.

You de-platform from the one place that you can engage with them publicly. that would get normal people to view him, right, and others like him. And he threw him off of that, and they built their own platforms, not just him. Gavin did it too, Gavin McGinnis, right? Stefan Mulanoo had the largest philosophy show. I loved watching that show, okay? Loved it.

I would drive for hours listening to Stefan Mullinue prattle about philosophy because I'm a dork like that, right? Hours of listening to this guy prattle. And I'd always say, one day I'm going to debate this fucking idiot. But I like the guy. Did you or no? I haven't yet. I will. But I like the guy quite a bit.

Don't get me wrong. I really do. But I would listen to them for hours, these guys. And YouTube systematically threw them all off the platform, not because of any actual violations to their terms of service. What they did was they reacted to the liberal progressive base and then base their terms of service on that reaction. And then the counter narrative was, well, go build your own. So they did. They went and they built their own.

so now they've built all their own and then they start amassing this huge audience completely on a post okay well times are a changing now x is bought by Elon Musk suddenly that's freed up they're all allowed to come back on X now they got another platform in what can you do on X now you can video host too

now you can do video on X and they can't just they can't just nuke you anymore right so now the whole arena is opened up right and the backlash is ginormous and it's like all you got to do is go look in the mirror to see who's responsible for it you dumb lefties stupid leftists did it they did it all to themselves

literally blew their feet on what they did was they set their feet on fire to warm up their hands that's what they did yeah we're talking to a guy right before he came in one of your biggest fans in the world who you know this is a rob is laughing but uh he says uh you know all this stuff about feminism i said what do you think andrew tate came from they created him he didn't just all of a sudden start speaking this language that you know massageness, all this other stuff. No, no, they pushed men so much to try to make them feminine that guys are like, is there anybody out there that is an alpha

that can just come and tell me the way it is that's okay to be a man's man, boom. Here it shows up, and Andrew, next thing, you know, becomes the, you know, who he is and everybody's like, oh, Andrew, Tate is a problem. You created him. Kind of goes back to the point you're making. My name is Andrew Wilson, host of the Crucible. As you guys know, I'm a political analyst and a political satirist. If you want to talk directly with me, as many of my audience have requested that they be able to do,

I've been able to carve out a system on this platform, Mnect, in order to do that with you. That's on Menect. You can ask me whatever questions that you want. We can talk debate. We can talk strategy. We can talk about basically whatever it is that you've been wanting to talk with me about. And I hope to see all of you there. ask you, what is more dangerous to America? Progressive ideology or the casual approach you take

with, you know, Muslims that are coming to you who are not willing to assimilate, and they want to convert this into what they believe in? Long term, what's a bigger threat to you? Well, those two threats are intertwined. So you have to understand that the Muslim mentality in the United States after debating with so many of them, I understand what their goal is. And they're pretty emphatic about stating it. Muslims also hate progressives, but progressives

are useful idiots. Really useful idiots. Essentially what Muslims do is they'll vote Democrat and they'll vote for leftist policies. They'll do whatever they need to do because leftists continue to open up the immigration trail for more Muslims to come in. So as long as Muslims can use left-wingers

for the path to bring more Muslims in, they'll vote left-overwhelming. But you see them locally do exactly the opposite, which is amazingly fun to watch. So locally, they'll be like, no gays in school, right? No this. No women doing this. None of this, degeneracy, right? We won't allow any of that.

But then they vote for leftist politicians, and you're like, why would you do that? Well, it's because the leftist politicians are opening up the pathways for citizenship for more Muslims to come in. It's a takeover. It's an invasion. It's always been an invasion. In Europe right now, it's an invasion. It's the same thing there.

The lefties, the Muslims there? They'll vote for the lefties. Why? Because it's a very pragmatic thing to do to continue to keep the pathway of citizenship open. What do Muslims say their ultimate weapon is? The woman's womb. We'll breed you out. They don't care. They'll wait 200 years.

They don't care. It's to infiltrate, populate, dominate, and never assimilate. Yeah. And then it's Sharia law. Yeah. Well, you know what it is? Because it's not happening, Andrew, because it's not right now. Because people are like, man, we're in a Christian nation,

which I actually wanted to ask you as well. Which religion is basically running this show? Because I mean, Trump has even said, Trump is not a Christian. He even said that one time in the interview, he's like, I'm not going to heaven, which I never would want to hear from a president. But if you think about it, right now, I don't think, Andrew, because people, like, we see it. We see the writing on the wall. He's come, he had to escape from Iran.

My parents, grandparents, all of them have to escape from that rule. And right now, because it's not actively in your face. It's happening in Texas. You see it in freaking Minnesota. And it's about to start happening in New York. nobody really sees it but in 20, 30 years like you said, the long game, they're winning.

They're winning because it's not going to stop. By 2016, it's going to be the most dominant religion is going to be Muslim. And you nailed it. And you nailed it. And they said it. There's a video of some guy, Pat, the guy that used to be a hardcore Islamist

and then convert, he's like, we love the, we use the Democrats. We do it. But then when they come in, yeah, all the woke progressive abortion trans gay all that good good like like mom dani he's in a church or whatever talking with some trans and like we love him we love him you think his people they actually agree with what he's talking about that they accept the gays they accept the women have to cover their heads

Elon Omar's dress up all the freaking time wrapping your head around this is the clip right here Pat yeah can you play that Lord help us just listen to this when I was an extremist Islamist fundamentalist I would only vote left Why is that? I saw them as very stupid. I would fear the conservatives because they come with principle. That's not someone they can brainwash.

But the left, I know they have no values and no principles to begin with. I dare you to find one Islamic extremist that votes for Donald Trump. Never do it. They give their vote to the leftist who wants to run around in pride parades. And Islamic extremists are against.

gays and homosexuals and trans genders, but they want the left to go and get busy with that. And then, Amma, she's fighting for abortion rights. My body, my choice? Yes, go do that. Go do that. But would she have an abortion? Never. Would she kill a Muslim in her stomach?

Never. What is the fundamentalist and jihadi agenda for America? The future of America has to be Muslim. And if you say that, Andrew, if we say this, Bala, you have no, I can't say you have no idea. You know, and he knows because we got. at the same type of messages. I'm pretty sure you have lovely. I just showed them a death threat

that I got from a Muslim guy on Instagram. And it's like, it's the writing is on the wall. And it's like the writing's here and people are telling you, turn around and look. And they're like,

no, no, it's never going to be like that. You know what I always do with the Muslim death threats though? You always say, I'm going to come kill you and rape your wife and kill your kids

and blah, blah, blah, blah, you know, and I'm always like, well, I can give you directions to my house, but do you have a high enough IQ to follow them? And they, they come back.

Yeah, then they just, they start spurking out, and then we just kind of laugh because it's really funny. They get really mad. I think that was a moment with you in the debate with Daniel Harri Gajou. Rob, if you want to pull it up, this is the moment. You guys are having a debate, and he is, many Muslims view him as a great debater. Okay, somebody that...

I can give you a precursor there. Tell me. So Kikikikikicu does his homework, just like me. And I do consider him to be. a very skilled debater. And I took him very seriously. He's an Ivy League graduate, just like my other opponent

at that debate was Richard Carrier, who was a progressive. So I did two debates back to back, one on Saturday, one on Sunday, both with Ivy Leaguers. So I did take him very seriously. And when I came up to him and shook his hand for the debate started,

I said, hello, Daniel, how are you? You're a great debater. And he said, yeah, you too. He said that. Yeah, he said, yeah, you too. So when we came up, I think we both, he had a predictive model for me.

In other words, he had sat down and predicted out what he thought my line of attack would be. The difference between us was that I predicted what he predicted that would be, and so I was ready for it. He did not predict how I was actually going to come at him. So he didn't know that you were going to do this. He had no clue.

Okay, so this is a very unique angle you took. Yeah, and it's funny because the core of the argument is actually twofold, and people only picked up on the one, but I can explain the other end of it. Would you mind watching this first, and are you giving it to us? Rob, go ahead.

Inbreeding has been occurring at a high rate for about 1,400 years since the early Islamic period encompassing most of the land still occupied by Islam today. It's spread from the 8th to the 15th century, moved into Persia, North Africa, South Asia, where it remains,

and has created some of the dumbest human beings on planet Earth. The most common type of inbreeding is first cousin marriage, The rates of first cousin marriage, in comparison to Christian nations, is staggeringly high even in comparison to regions occupied by Arab Christians. When a nation has both Christians and Muslims, Muslims are often double or higher than Christians. Example, India, Lebanon. Next slide, please. Muslim inbreeding. Oh, sorry. Sorry about that. Pakistan at 65%.

65%. Meaning, more likely than not, you're having sex with your cousin, and if you're not, you're the weird one. Two-thirds is incest. Okay? For the low IQ members of MDD, that means these people are more likely

than not having sex with their aunts or uncles' children. Saudi Arabia, 50 to 58% with an average 76 IQ. Who would have thug it? UAE, 54%, 82 IQ. The crown jewel of the Arab world, you are more likely than not to be banging your first cousin. Iran, 40%, 80 IQ.

Yemen, 45%, 62.9 IQ. Qatar, 30%, 80.8 IQ. Now, we're going to continue, right? Oman, 36%, 78. Syria, 39%, 74 IQ. Turkey, 25%. 86 IQ, Jordan, 32%, 80 IQ, Egypt, 32%, 76 IQ. It goes on and on and on, and it just never gets better.

Next slide, please. Thank you. Compared to Christian countries, who, let's take a look. Usually less than 1%. Now I wonder why Christians build better societies, ladies and gentlemen. Now let's keep going. we want to pull up the slide here. He's really upset here. Moving right along. As countries become more Christian in breeding declines, right? We can see this. From church intervention in Spain, 20 to 30 percent post-reconquista. Catholic Church banned cousin marriages for commoners, papal dispensations sold for royals. Italy, similar high rates in the medieval period. The church enforced bans over the century. France, high medieval.

evil. Canaan law prohibited marriage within four degrees of relation. You can pause it right. Modern way. Okay, tell us. So you're explaining this. The argument is higher IQ, better society, better jobs, better economy, low IQ, you make worse decisions, not the best opportunity, not the safest society. What was the second point you were trying to make? Yeah, so the debate, the framing was which makes a better society, Islam or Christianity. I knew that Daniel's attack would be Christian societies have degeneracy in it. The easiest way to combat that is, well, I think it's pretty degenerate to be humping your first cousin. Okay?

I think that that's pretty degenerate myself. And he reacted to you, right? Right. Rob, there's even the reaction of him where the audience laughs, I believe, and is, if you think the worst, no, not this one, it's a 14-second clip that Rob that you have, you added a minute ago, 14-second clip. Um, that's it. Yes. If IQ is the end all, be all, your entire argument is on the basis of IQ. You haven't said, you just say, oh, uh, marrying your cousin, effing your cousin, that is degenerate on the basis of what?

It's not on the basis of your Bible. Oh my God. It's just a digger. Yeah, laugh it up. Laugh it up. Oh, my God. It's like so what? Like, it's like, and?

Well, I knew that he would, I knew that this was going to be. bad for him going into the debate because I knew that he would have to double down and defend first cousin marriage. I knew it because this particular sect of Islam that he represents, they're crazy. Okay. And if he were to try to go against it, his head's now on the chopping walk, right? It basically put him in a pincer, but that wasn't even the core, right? The core of the crux of the argument wasn't just that we build way better societies as Christians because we've outlawed inbreeding. So our collective IQ is high enough to not have donkey pull cart. The core and the crux of the argument was really about ethics. They're constantly appealing to people they consider

to be ethically inferior to them to not wipe them out. They're constantly appealing to societies 10 times more sophisticated than their own to just literally not wipe them out and take all of their resources, which means they're banking on our benevolence, literally banking on Christian in benevolence. If that's the case, how are you going to say we're the worst people on, you know, our ethics are wrong, we follow the wrong God, we, you know, we're not doing things, right? You're banking on the benevolence of Jesus Christ to restrain us from going to the most oil-rich portions of the world and not just Kong putting you all to the sword. What's to stop us from doing that? Only our ethics. Only our ethical purview and faith in Jesus Christ.

Is it what prevents that from happening to you? So how about a little gratitude? How about a little gratitude towards these Christians you demonize all the time. How about a little bit, how about a little thank you for stopping and restraining the hordes from going over with their enormous technology and just putting you barbarians to the sword? Because we could. Yeah, you made the argument that there was a, there was a part of the debate where I think you said it'll never happen. You guys will never take over because you're always going to need us. Not militarily. Yeah, you're always going to, you're never going to be able to do it because you're going to need us. Your

point with that was militarily. Yes. Yeah, they could, they could perhaps breed us out over time because of birth rates and other various things like this. But all you have to do right now is just look at the situation that they're in to note that they have a serious, serious problem here

with mass organization and mobilization, and that has a lot to do with IQ. They hate Jews. Muslims hate Jews to the point of, I mean, It's wild how much they load them. This is an ancient conflict, by the way. And whether you say that it's right or wrong that they hate them, we can at least acknowledge that they do.

Well, they have nine million Jews in their backyard, and they can't do anything to them. That was the point you were making it. Yeah, they can't do anything to them. They're totally, these people are completely and totally surrounded, right? And they just whip the shit out of them every time they get into an engagement. And it's because the IQ of Jews. And by the way, they bring up, for instance, instance, they'll say, oh, well, there's incest and inbreeding in Israel, too. It's true,

but it's very low, very, very low percentage. And most of it, guess what? When you look into the stats on inbreeding, it's the Palestinians. That's where you get most of the stats from. In Israel. Yeah, in Israel, so Palestinians who are doing the inbreeding. And so it's like, all you got to do is look at the IQ difference between the Palestinians and the Israelis. And then you realize, if we're looking at it from a, from a pure view of like, might makes right, that the Palestinians are completely and totally. at the mercy of the Jews in that area. They just are.

Objectively, they are. There's no way for them to take on this advanced civilization. But what's ironic about it is neither can any of the other sophisticated nations around. Pakistan, for instance, they have nukes. Can they even deliver them? You know, can these low IQ, 65% inbred people even deliver these nukes? I'm not even sure that they can. And so this was the point that I was ready to.

to make, regardless of where you fall in the Israeli-Palestine conflict, I'm not making a prescription here for what Israel is doing is right or wrong or anything in between. I'm just making the observation that 9 million of you versus the entire Arab world and the 9 million seem to be doing all right. There's got to be some reasons here. And if you look at the technological and IQ differences, it becomes very obvious what those reasons are. What is the Muslim population around Israel? Is it a billion plus? What is the Muslim population?

I mean, like, I think directly around it. It's not 600 million? Probably. Can you check, Rob, what is the Muslim population around Israel, meaning surrounding countries? Total. So the only one, Indonesia wouldn't be there. So that's a big number that's going to be out.

So if you, total number, what do you pull up, Rob? Well over 100 million Muslims in the broader region. Yeah. So over 100 million. Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq. And those 100 million cannot take out the 9 million. That not only can they not, it's actually worse.

It appears to me, from a logistical military standpoint with Israel plus Israel's allies, which they've cultivated, which again takes a lot of high IQ diplomacy and things like this and integration to do, they whip the shit out of them. They recently had an exchange with Iran. And not only was the Iranian propaganda awful. I mean, you remember the ex-propaganda from Iran? You know, oh, the war strikes, we got one missile through.

They said the whole payload got one missile through. And they were dancing like they did something. And it's like they were on the losing end of that very quickly. And that was without, now it is true that they were. was U.S. allies which were assisting the Israelis with this, but you have the entire Arab region as your allies to assist you. And it appears to me, like, if they went to war with Israel, they would probably actually lose collectively because of the inability to do mass mobilization, to have military command structures, which are decent, and their ability to have kind of, like,

when you look at military logistics, it's very complex, and it requires a ton of middle management. Middle management usually starts around 100 IQ. Upper management, you get to like, you know, 120, 130, stuff like this. But you need to have at least 95 to 100 just have middle management. And logistics, it's all middle management. And so it's like, I don't, I don't think that they would fare all that well. So your, uh, the debate, the angle you took was purely IQ and that became a talk of town when you did that. Not just that, but ethics. Yeah. Now his argument back to you was, to be fair, he said, if that's the case, why are countries like Honduras? Why are countries that are so Christian? How come they're not innovating? Why are they not winning? What was your

argument to that? Well, actually, they are. They do make better civilizations. That's why much better civilizations. What killed and has been killing South America for a long time, is the integration of communism and socialism. Their relationship, especially with the USSR, and the spread of communism, You saw this with Che Guevara and others. You also saw, I mean, right the second, it looks like we have another conflict that's brewing there, and this is with, what, a socialist nation? You had Chavez, who was a socialist as well, a lot.

And you see this in Eastern Europe. Eastern Europe is behind Western Europe in many innovative ways because of what happened with communism and the integration of communism. And it takes a long time to shrug that off. I mean, it's such a destructive ideology. But I still think that civilizationally, We're talking about ideology here.

Islam's ideology leads to inbreeding, right? A communist and socialist ideology leads to a lack of innovation and stagnation, which also has long-term side effects. Those are two different things and destructive in their own unique ways. Correct. One of them is values and principles. The other one is economically. Well, and also values and principles. Communism is very much an atheistic view.

The very first thing the USSR did, in fact, was actually. put a separation in between church and state. The idea here was that Christianity was a thing. Remember what they did first. The communists killed the Orthodox czar of Russia. That's what they did, and they were taking out the Orthodox Church. What the communists did to the Orthodox in the Eastern European nations is blood-curling. I mean, it's just chilling when you read the stories of what they did to them.

And it's because the Orthodox Christians, they have complete and total opposition most of the time to communism based on the ethical purviews that Orthodox Christians hold. And so they are instantly persecuted in communist nations. So again, it's the rejection, I believe, it's a spiritual wars, a rejection of Christianity itself that actually leads to these worst outcomes, even in communist nations. I don't think it's just purely economics. I think that it's, I consider all of these battles spiritual. I don't know if communism recommends incest. It recommends abortion. It's it's where feminism came from. The ideals of feminism came from communist, feminist revolutionaries. The exportation of communist ideals are always academic, and the academics

always the very first thing they do is secularize the nation, move God out of schools, move God away from everybody, right? I do think that the ideology of communism is very much antithetical to the teachings of Jesus Christ and the teachings of... There's no question about it, but the difference is, you don't see the link of incest with communism. No. All the other stuff, fully agree. Listen, my mother said they were all communists.

So I've read the Communist Manifesto. I've also had mine combs, so you kind of have to see where both sides are. But, yeah, incest is a different thing. So to me, it's interesting. By the way, did you see the clip where the mayor of London is being asked about incest in the Pakistani community in the UK?

This just happened. Did you see this? No. No. You haven't seen this? Do you think they watch my debate? And by the way, and then they pushed them on crime, and you should see how, by the way, first one is going to irritate the hell out of you.

This is the Sadiq? Is this the one about incest? Which one's the incest question with Pakistani? Go to that one. Is that crime or what is he talking about here? There's two of them, not this one. There's two of his. Okay, hang on.

I send you two of them. Okay, but the first one was. Okay. it the first i believe this is the first one okay so if you want to if you want to pull one of them up one of them play the clip i'll let you know which one it is no no no this is it watch i'm saying exactly what i mean i'm saying have we got any of those grooming gangs in london i'm in fair sure what is meant by the question if you could spell it out i can answer i've just spelt it out are you not listening it's the sort of gangs that groom young girls at a young

age for sex exactly how much clearer do you want me to be what does she mean by that you know full well what i mean by that it's all over the television you know exactly what i mean by that these gangs of people that are grooming young girls for sex do we actually have those in london today we need to give a full answer can she be clear what she means by that i'm not sure what she means what what she means what how much care do you want me to be look at the gangs that they've uncovered in other parts of the country do we have those gangs

in London? It's a simple question the answer is very simple it's yes or no I'm not asking you where those gangs are because the police might not want them to be disclosed I'm asking you do we have those sort of gangs in London

I'm not sure why she's so nervous to say what she means are you what the hell are you talking about I am saying exactly what I'm in I'm saying, have we got any of those grooming gangs in London? He can't answer it. He's Muslim. He can't.

He can't say anything. He can't. Just like when peers, peers will never talk negative about them. Peers will never say anything negative because he lives there. And what he thinks Sidic Khan is going to say? That's unbelievable. The fake arrogance, ignorance of not, like, what are you talking about? suicidal empathy oh my god it's always it always comes down to suicidal empathy and the progressive

left is the people who push suicidal empathy the most the what's happened in uh europe in western europe and what's happened in the UK is one of the most unjust and completely criminal things that I I mean as far as justice goes these people have consistently voted over and over and over again for less mass migration to their nation, and their government sells them out year after year, after year, after year, after year. And then they go, I don't understand why they're rioting in the streets. It must be because they're a bunch of racists. And it's like, if they weren't before, they certainly are now.

But the thing is, is again, this doesn't happen except that you forced our hand. You forced it to happen. These people forced the hand of the people now in the UK to actually have to do something about this. And then they're surprised when they do. It's like people have a set of determination. You can determine who comes into your nation. That's up to you to do.

Everyone else is allowed to do this. Japan does this, right? Asian nations do this. Nobody's ever screaming about Japanese xenophobia. You ever heard a leftist once? Like, wow, we really got to do something about all the xenophobic Japanese who don't let any immigrants into their country. I've never heard it one time.

Never, because they don't care. It has nothing to do with that at all. It has to do with virtue signaling. This is all about virtue signaling. And the suicidal empathy that comes with virtue signaling, all of you people will think, well of me, if I'm so suicidally empathetic, that I will sell my own nation out,

hey, at least everybody thinks well of me. This is the second one he does in regards to crime rates. and stabbing how it's been increasing and he tries to twist it and the guy holds his foot to the fire. You've got to see this. Holds his hand to the fire. Go ahead. Not law and order in London under you, mate.

Can you sit there with a straight face and say crime is down? Since you became mayor in 2016, knife crime has gone up by 27%. Violence against the person has increased by 26%. Robbery has increased by 57%. Theft has increased by 37%. Shoplifting has increased by 109%.

Sexual offences have increased by 64%. All crime since you, Sadiq Khan, became Mayor of London, have increased by 26%. Don't Londoners deserve the truth about the state of crime in the capital from you? What do you do with the list that was read out? The theft from motor vehicle down by 18%. Over what date range? Over what date range?

Over what date range? Over what date range? Since you became mayor of London? Over what date range? Over the last nine years? Not the last month. The last nine years. I know you don't like the truth,

but apologize to Londoners over your tenure that you have allowed crime to skyrocket. By the way, they're getting vocal. Well, is it too late, Pat? Is it too late? These guys... That's the debate. That's the debate.

Well, here's the thing, You said this, Andrew. They didn't vote for it. They didn't want it, but the government's doing it. So at what point, at what point, are the people going to say enough is enough? Because we talked about this earlier in the week, Andrew. I guarantee if Gavin Newsom, God forbid, becomes the president of the United States of 20228, the first order of business, because he's pro, give every illegal, doesn't matter your status.

Give them health insurance. He loves them. He loves illegals. The first order of business is going to be open up the border. at what point do we as Americans just say hell no and we have to get involved ourselves because when the military they sent the military to pick up barbed wire to let these people in in Texas

like it's it's a purposeful invasion when do we when do our soldiers they want to talk about all these orders that the soldiers are getting for Venezuela when do we say no no we're not doing that shit and we have to move something because it's happening here 20 million people are here well the thing is is uh I'm skeptical as to how well the, quote, counter-revolution goes.

I think a renaissance is more likely, and hopefully that's what we get as a renaissance instead of a counter-revolution. Ultimately, I don't have a lot of faith that there's going to be nearly as much backlash as other people have faith that there's going to be, and here's why. Let me explain my reasoning.

There's food in the fridge. Yep. And there's air conditioning, and you can still drive down the road, right? And for the average person who goes to work and goes home, these problems are still out there. They're not in here. And until they become in here problems, most people are very passive to these types of things. And that's how things can get so bad so quickly before people actually begin paying attention.

And then usually it is too late. What's going on right now and what's going to continue to happen is the left is going to continue the mass importation of people who have value structures, which are different than these domestic populations, and they're going to cover it up by any means necessary. The last debate I did on Pierce was with Mark Lamont and a few other leftists, and these leftists, not Mark Lamont, right, luckily, but the other leftists who were there, we were talking about hate speech laws in the U.K.,

and they were like, good, good, we're happy that if you send a text saying that somebody is the Fsler, the quote, Fsler, which, by the way, I don't even think is a big deal to say, right? Probably one of my favorite words on. on planet Earth to say, I greet friends with it. Right. I mean, greet friends with it. It's never towards a gay person.

Yeah, it's never, never. But the thing is, it's like, but even if it was, who cares? You don't send people to jail for texting the F slur to people. That's ridiculous. That's insane. This is a nation, which has founded, a lot of our constitutional values come from the philosophy of English philosophers like human others who were adamant about the various philosophies of freedom and they're just bastardizing them. So they'll cover it up. They'll cover up using

they'll throw you in jail. They'll do any of these things like they did with Tommy Robinson like they do with others. And I don't think at all, I don't share your enthusiasm, in other words, that until the situation goes into the home itself and people are feeling the effects there, I think you'll continue to see the same sort of passive behavior that you've always seen. Now, if you can give me a week where Americans don't have enough to eat, I'll show you a government with a head with all their heads on a spike, man. But until we get there, how do you clean that up? How do you clean UK up? How do you clean it up? You have to take the Sargon of a cod, interestingly enough. I recently watched one of his videos. He gave a bunch of criticisms to Pierce Morgan in the video. He

starts the video with, I don't like Pierce Morgan in the very Sargon of a cod way, right? But in this video, what he says is, you know, he's trying to create an academic term for a remigration. He doesn't say, you know, throw them out. He says, we're going to remigrate them. So we're going to remigrate you back to your country, right? We're going to do remigration. Why would they agree to it? Well, they wouldn't agree to it.

That's the thing, right? It's like, I don't think you'll find agreement, but I do think that this is what the push is fast becoming in the UK from the, the right wing is, look, it's not just enough now for us to cut this off, right? We're already in it. We have to actually start removing these people and sending them away. But, of course, what is the first thing that the left does? You're Hitler. Hitler tried to send people away.

Hitler tried to remove people groups from his country. Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler. And so because that's been like the kind of go-to, that's a fascist policy. You're going to send people away. You're going to remove them from your nation. just like the mustache painter in Germany did. And this is why I think you see so much of the backlash from the irony bros. And let's say the irony bros like the Gryper's, for instance, right?

90% of the time they're referencing the Hitler thing and this and that is to make fun of that conditional. This conditional being this. Every policy I have that you don't like doesn't make me Hitler, you idiot. okay me wanting to remove dangerous people from my nation and migrate them back towards their country because the people here no longer want them here does not make you Adolf Hitler

that's part of what the irony bro thing was always about and it's like people people kind of miss the forest through the trees on that I think yeah well I mean I think when you see that community I think even Nick did it on

on peers if I'm not mistaken when he asked somebody Hitler. Do you remember that exchange between that? Yeah, he took the win. Well, I went on peers after that. And look, just much like Stephen Crowder and many others, I don't agree with a lot of the Fuentes-style policies, right? And we hold somewhat different values because he's a Roman Catholic and I'm an Orthodox Christian. We don't have exactly the same framework, but it's very close. As far as theology goes, let's just say it's, you know, there's, there's a lot more there in common than not. But there's, there are some fundamental disagreements. But the fact of the matter is,

is that when Morgan was doing the, the clip thing, right, Fuentes has been through that a hundred times. You know, person plays bad clip. How dare you? Clutches pearls, right? We've been past that for a long time. Him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, we've, we as a nation, have been passed that for a long time. We've heard it all, right? Grab them by the pussy didn't work. That whole campaign didn't work. Trump making fun of fat chicks, right? Everyone clutches their pearls. It didn't work, right?

That stuff doesn't work. Fuentes' strategy in that debate, at least he said his strategy, was to basically just bite the bullet and say, yeah, sure, whatever. So anyway, you want to engage with my policy prescriptions now? And it just took all the wind out of the sales, you know what I mean? And that was the whole point. And I think that that's been the point of the irony bro thing for a long time. The whole thing is like, if you're going to.

going to, if you're going to call us this, what happens if we go, okay, and embrace it, right? And then say, but what about the actual policies? Can he tell us what's unethical or what's bad or this or that, right? And the answer is, no, they can't. They can't. Now, do I think optically that that's wise? No, but you know what? I mean, it seems to have worked fine for him. Yeah, you'll, you'll debate a lot of feminists on this whatever podcast that you, by the way, There was a guy that was on it a few years ago. I haven't seen him for two years. Do you know who I'm talking about?

The good-looking guy that used to do. Chase. Chase. Yeah. Chase used to be with a girl named Eva, Iva, Eva, Eva, Eva, something. Beautiful girl from Netherlands or something like that. They came to our house one time and we had lunch with him. Chase is another talent.

I haven't seen him for a minute. Very, very smart guy. Very nice guy. I've been friends with him for a couple of years. him and my wife are friends as well they talk back and forth on X what happened to him you know he went off and did his own thing

I'm not really is he still creating content or no he launched a show recently he did his own show yeah yeah he's good because he's also capable oh yeah yeah he's doing he's doing very well he doesn't do arguments the same way that I do but I think that the angle that he comes at it is just as valuable

in many respects I think he also smoke cigarettes he does he does he maybe he does I remember it specifically that he smoked cigarettes. Okay. We talked about it. Maybe I had one with him. I'm not selling anybody out, okay? I'm not selling anybody out.

I can either confirm nor deny. No, but I remember when he was there just watching him. I'm like, this guy, if he gets it together, he can really do something. What I mean by get it together is knowing what direction he wants to go. Because he was, you have a different style. What's the main host name? Brian Atlas. Brian, Brian Atlas.

Brian is a good host. He's a good point guard. Very good point guard. Manages the entire thing. Very well. What's his background, by the way? Brian's? Yeah.

Well, Brian had a prank channel for years on YouTube. Got it. Until he moved into this type of content, a very talented guy, very, very smart guy. And he also is one of the, like, a few guys in this sphere that I actually trust. Brian. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's done, he's never done anything but right by me. very, very good guy.

And there's very few of them. And I don't know what it is about entertainment specifically, but it does not breed good people usually at all. So here's a clip I want to play for you, Kai. Feminism. And my goal is to try to turn you into a feminist by the time you're done watching this video. But I don't think it's going to work, Andrew. So brace for impact.

I'm ready. Open up your open-mindedness and see if this changes your mind. Have you seen this or not? Okay, first of all, you guys are going to love this clip. Go ahead, go ahead, Rob. So refreshing. All right, here's that check for you, sir. Sir?

First of all, do not assume my pronouns. Second of all, how dare you assume it because I'm a man and I'm going to be paying for this whole dinner? Women are fully capable of paying for themselves. Oh, I'm sorry. Do you want me split the bill between you to them? Actually, why don't we do this

so we can really drive this point home for you because you're giving me very misogynistic vibes right now? Leave the entire bill, and she will pay for the entire thing because she is a strong, independent woman and who does not need a man to provide for her. As a feminist woman, wouldn't you agree with that? Yeah.

Yeah. I guess. Um, okay. Yeah, in that case, uh, here's the check, ma'am. Uh, I'm sorry. Okay. Cancelled. I cannot believe how toxic that guy was.

Wait, no toxic. Oh, my God. This is expensive. Oh, you got it. Give me a purse, bitch! Yes! Are you going to help me? Absolutely not.

As a feminist man, I don't want to imply that you can't defend yourself just because you're a woman. Are you serious right now? Yeah, what? Yeah. All right. F*** this. I'm getting to conservative. What a great clip.

Oh, right? 60 seconds. Fight for yourself, dude. You know what? You can pay for. Even though the burglar was like, the burglar was like, wait, what? Yeah.

No, no, I kind of want a conservative in my life is what I want. Probably 60% of the conversations with feminists are revolve around the idea that that video is trying to convey, which is where you, you can't have equality and equity, but then also demand privilege in society at the same time. And that's what those all are, aren't they? What he's really pointing out is you're, you're getting all sorts of privileges that would never be afforded to me. It's instantly assumed I pay your bill. It's instantly assumed that I protect you. It's instantly assumed that you get the spot on the lifeboat for on the Titanic. This is all

instantly just assumed. It's baked into the pie, right? Well, the thing is, is that, that if that's the case, what are men getting? This was my argument with, what's her name, Tommy Lauren, right? The idea on, and that was a huge viral clip on Pierce Morgan as well with Tommy Lauren, where I took her to task on this very same concept. What was the topic? Well, in this case, we were discussing, she was basically saying that men are a bunch of sassy pants, man babies now and this and that.

And I took her to task on it and pointed out to her that, well, you'll see in the clip, I guess. Is this it? I believe so. Let's see a glimpse of it. So I'm really anxious to weigh in. Okay. So I think over the last probably 10 years, there has been what I call the pusification of men.

It was everything should be about your emotions and your feelings and men were emasculated. And this whole concept of toxic masculinity warped the minds of a lot of young men. And they felt masculine. They wanted to be masculine. but society was telling they should be softer, that it was being toxicly masculine if you wanted to play sports and chop wood and go to war.

And so men were so amasculated and so beat down that then there was this revolution of what was actually toxic masculinity, the Tate brothers and others, which I feel as a female, that that doesn't represent true masculinity. That, to me, represents douchebaggery. And as a woman, I want a strong man

who is a protector and a provider, that will go to war, if need be, that will protect me, protect my family, make money. I see that as being actually masculine. That's like the man that I grew up with, my dad. But what we're seeing now is these young men who look at Andrew Tate and the Tate brothers, and they see somebody who's just quite frankly a douchebag and disrespects women. And because they've been so emasculated, they're like, oh, great, that's a manly man. But that's not right either.

So at some point, I think we'll go back to maybe meeting in the middle here. You can be a man who has feelings and emotions, but you can also go to war and protect and defend your family. That's not a girl, it's a guy. But the two extremes right now, they're confusing men, and quite frankly, they're leaving women with few choices. And that's the real tragedy here. You see, I completely agree with you, but Andrew, you were shaking your hate quite vigorously. Why? Yeah, well, I mean, it's just more feminine or feminist nonsense, ultimately.

And the covert feminism in society is big, especially on the conservative. side. So here's what happens, right? Women need to have feminine virtues for men to be pursuing masculine virtues for you to say things like, well, men, what I want is for men to protect me and I want men to make money. Well, that's great. What that ends up doing is it gives you a set of privilege in society. What do men get? What do men get for doing that for you? What are we getting from women for doing that? Are we getting chased virgins on our wedding night? No, we're not getting Chase virgins on our wedding night. Are we getting women of great virtue? No, we're not getting women of great virtue. The idea of courtly love is supposed to be done for women of

great virtue. Where are they? Well, they're nowhere. And so in modernity and society, when conservative influencer, female conservative influencers say this, it's actually a form of covert feminism. They're saying, I want privilege in society, right? But what is it? Women are giving to men to get it? What? What are they giving them? did she say she had no answer she said she said men are just wired to do it that was her response men are just

I just believe men are wired to do that yes I kid you not that was her response I believe that's why I went so viral because she said I just think that I just think men are wired that way they're wired to be my slave they're wired to go and make my money

and put me in a position of privilege and this and that in fact you're lucky don't you feel lucky that you're allowed to do that for her you're a lucky guy you're a real lucky guy who who has spooked you in a debate who's who's gotten you raged who's gone you fully like pissed off where you're like you wanted to you know destroy them but they actually got you a little bit uh i mean that's happened a few times in various debates um the thing is is i've debated with hundreds of people

over the years, you know what I mean? And over that course, you're going to lose your cool from time to time. People often will take personal jabs, they'll attack you, this and that's very trendy for people to attack my wife, for instance. They know that one of the pathways to attack somebody who has a family is what? It's through the family, right? This is a way that they can try to get a rise out of you, various things like this. So there's been multiple instances where this has happened where, you know, I'm human.

I'm going to get upset from time to time. Usually that's not the case. I don't think that you can judge or assess a person's entire body of work on whether or not they get upset here and there when they're debating various people, especially if people are bad faith or they're clip farming. I get that a lot. I'll be debating with people, especially TikTokers, and they're all just clip farming. They're looking for rage bait, in other words. Yeah, so what's his name? Muhammad Ali.

as much as they call him the greatest of all time, the guy has been, has lost six times. You know this, right? Do you know his record? Muhammad Ali? Yeah. He's the goat. Is he?

Yeah. Who would you put ahead of him? Look at his record. 56 and 5. 56 and 5. And if you ever go to the Muhammad Ali, didn't we go to the Muhammad Ali Museum together? Yeah, we did. Yeah.

And you see all the times, you go downstairs, they got this place in the basement, which that day we were there. Who was there? Bob Costas was there? Bob Costas was a small guy. Bob Costas was in the Bob Costas. Can you pull up Bob Custas to see if that's him or not? I think it was Bob Custas.

He was there. Yeah, 100% he was there. Yeah, by the way. The guy, loves Trump. He's a Trump lover. That guy, I saw him with a maggie shirt on. And then he took that one off and he had another one. I know.

He's a complete. This guy cannot stand him. He's like, but I would say, you know, at first, At first, when we went to the museum, I thought he was a jockey. Is he on the smaller side? No, because we're there for the derby. So I thought one of the veteran, well-known jockeys was...

Five-seven? Pat looked at him and went like this. Hey, good luck tomorrow. I was like, wow. Let me go ask him, like, can I get an autograph? Maybe it's a legend. There's no way he's... 5.7. There's no way he's 5.7. No, he's strong. He's not 5.7. No, he's lower than that. But

they have me as 510 over there. I'm freaking 5'8 and a half. No, I thought I thought I thought I thought I thought I thought I thought I thought I thought I thought I thought I thought I thought I was like I thought I thought going to the derby. And then you're like, I think that's Bob Costas. Totally threw me off. Go ahead. I was saying, interestingly enough, with debates, there's people who you can beat on 90% of the topics who might be able to beat you on 10% of them. I agree. So it depends on the person, the topic, the situation, right? You know Sam Schumann, you know Sam Shimon. Sam Shimon was here. He says, if you want me to debate an atheist, I'm not the guy.

If you want me to debate a, you know, whatever other, I'm not the guy. I'm the guy you want me to debate Muslims. That's it, the Quran. I'm that guy. Yep. Anybody else, anything else, I'm not your guy for it. If it's that topic, I'll show up. If it's not, I won't show up.

No your strength. Good point. Yeah, and I understand that completely. Now, I have a much wider array of things that I debate than most debaters do. Much, much wider. Everything from feminism to communism to, I mean, you name it. And I've probably been on the other end debating it. And I have to debate it competently.

And I have to debate it. Who haven't you debated that you would like to debate? David Pacman. You have not. Oh, I love that. I've been asking. I've been asking. They've sent him emails.

Multiple people have tried to set it up. And the guy's just a chicken shit. He just refuses to debate with me. Just refuses. Oh, he's so. But he's been, he's been on my list for a while of, yeah, him and then Parker from TikTok. He's been ducking a moderated debate with me. The only way he'll debate, most of these TikTokers is if you have to go to their channel where they can mute you, right?

where they can lower your audio where it's completely and fundamentally unfair. That's the only way they'll do a debate. So I'm, you know, I offered Parker $10,000. This guy? Yeah,

to do a moderated debate. And he won't do it. And he won't do it. No, these guys are the biggest, yeah, biggest chicken shits that I've ever seen in my life. And so,

and I've tangled with him on Pierce and other places like this. He always loses, but, and I understand why they don't want to do moderated debates because they can't just click the mute button and then that's the end of it.

But yeah, wide variety of topics. I'm always happy to get into all across a political spectrum. And even I do engage somewhat in theology, though I think that there's better apologists than I am for sure. That's not my strength. My strength is the political arm. So that's what I do.

But yes, it does depend the person, the day, what the topic is, this and that. You know what I mean? So if I'm debating with destiny on meta-ethics, he's going to lose, right? but it's possible that we could be debating on some other topic that he beats you that he beats me like video games or something like that or you know there could be some political thing that he's been studying nonstop that he's just more familiar with than me maybe he beats beats the tar off of me on those right or beats the beats the tar out of me on those uh but then he gets into meta ethics and he

completely gets destroyed and devastated so there's a lot of that that goes on some of these debates will go for five or six hours you know like the the last debate that I had where it went viral because this, this chick basically said that my wife should have killed her kids and it would have made her less promiscuous. That's what she said. Not kidding. Who's this? I don't even want to get into it. But anyway, that's what she said. So ultimately, what happens is this, with this chick, I was debating with her for six hours, right? She finally took up her. For what? She finally took a, well, we just went over a huge, wide variety of topics. She got beaten on every single topic. I've never seen it.

Is she a famous debater? No, she's basically, no, not at all. Is she a b-back on whatever? Like, the people that watch whatever have seen her many times? One time. Okay, so how did she get on the show? I don't know. So, again...

We got to call Brian. Like, what are you doing, Brian? You got to get this under control, buddy. When it comes to Brian, he knows this about me, right? I'm probably, if you offer me a debate, I'm probably just going to go do the debate. Like, that's likely going to happen. It doesn't really matter with who. You debated this girl for six hours?

what what are you guys talking about for six hours she's a communist feminist so we went over a wide array of topics so this is like yeah six hour debate naima i've done four five hour debates with the jubilee all-star right i do think that that's way too long for a debate i think you know two three is much more reasonable oh i've seen her yeah i've seen her with oh she she's the one that looked at Charlie when Charlie smiled and said ooh that's a bad smile and she tried to disrespect them right off the bed yeah well I don't like that if you ever want to see her she started the debate with me by saying she was a Jubilee All-Star and then called herself that yeah and I took I spent a good two hours just completely dismantling her and made her look like it

the dumbest person on planet earth because she is she though she's smart or no she's an idiot complete moron qualified oh yeah qualify if you if you if you want to laugh your ass off tonight go home and watch the debate that I did with her the last debate that I did with her in this series where she claims she's a Jubilee All-Star and watch her, I make her argue against her own position and she doesn't even know I'm doing it. What's this clip wrap?

Let's watch maybe two of these clips and now let's wrap it up. This one is what? It says here, I'm insulting each other during debate on whatever podcast 23. Do you know what this one's about or? No, I don't know. Through your worldview,

Can you explain how forced doctrine is wrong outside of preference or not? No, Andrew. By the way, what I was just doing is proving through your own ethical framework why you don't deserve shit. You don't deserve a thank you for women from following the teachings of your own ethical framework brought to you by your God. Why should women thank men? That's what you wanted. You wanted a thank you from women for not gas for doing the absolute bare minimum,

which your own ethical framework acknowledged is the absolute bare fucking minimum. But that's my, you just make you my point. Are all men Christians? No. Then should we thank them? Well, yes,

they're following their own secular ethical framework that is teaching them not to just maim other women. So you should think men? Well, I mean, not you. But you should think you. I didn't say me.

You said men. So you should think men. I guess I should think natural law. Thank you, natural law. I agree. How does that? What? Because it's objectively immoral.

Because it's objectively immoral to kill people, Andrew. It's objectively immoral. I just can't demonstrate it. Do you not think that is objectively immoral? Only from my view, but not from yours. No, from everyone's view.

No, not from, no. It's not literally from everyone's view. Kind of, yeah. Kind of no. Kind of yeah. Okay, from a Muslim's views it objectively immoral to take away rights from women?

I mean, I'm not Muslim. Oh, God. From a Muslim's cheese. That's the argument. But I watched her on Charlie. That's the place I've seen her. Yeah.

Well, she was on the debate with Charlie. And what's the other one, Rob? Do two, do one more. And then the six-hour debate girl? This is the six-hour debate girl? Uh-huh. Go ahead. I'm going to, I'll try to rephrase this.

I'm going to reframe. And I'm just going to be totally honest with you. I will never be able to convince you of my worldview. You all. I know. But the reason is not because I'm not a great orator or I don't make good points or I haven't said things, which should be compelling to a person. But Charlie, I just think. I think, honestly, you're too fucking stupid to understand them.

Which is true. So, Andrew, can I... The guy in the middle. Your wife has three baby daddies and has been married twice before. And you... Under your... You look snizz. What is that?

I still think that's funny. Don't talk shit about my wife, you stupid bitch. Shut your fucking mouth. Shut your stupid bitch mouth. Your wife with the three babies... What did I just say? Dike. Your wife with the three...

Sorry, I'm sorry, Dike. Is she morally inconsequential? in comparison to your ditch-licking? Do the men that you try to... Do the women that you try to? Do you the women that you try to? You know, Charlie, did I bring... Charlie, did I bring your family?

Did I bring any of your family into anything? Did I say anything about your family being stupid, Charlie? It's because I'm better than you, Charlie. No, it's because you're embarrassed. And you know that the traditional values that you try to sell people on are bullshit because you are not a traditional man. Chuck, let's go through it. You are not a traditional man.

Let's go through it, Chuck. Tell me what I'm doing, which is immoral. Chuck, six hours? Jeez. What did you say to her? What did was she said? Well, from there, what she did was she tried to go on to say that I'm a hypocrite because I tell men not to get married to single moms, which is not true.

I have a nuanced position, which is, it works out not so good for most people, but there's nothing ethically, which is wrong with that. And then went on to say that. she had slept with 10 guys and that and she's in her early 20s right she slept with 10 guys and that's okay because abortion is there and so abortion basically hides the crime and so what my wife should have done is just have a series of abortions and if she had done that then she wouldn't be viewed as promiscuous by society that that was her argument abortion is there to hide the crime jeez that's her argument that's her argument what a yeah sick person so what

happened is a sequence of TikTokers who absolutely hate me clipped this up out of context right and put it out there as though I was having some kind of meltdown clearly rewatching that just now it doesn't look like a meltdown to me it looks to me like I'm defending myself and defending my position and this chick went personal and so I gave her the personal jabs back that's how it goes in debates is she is she lesbian or straight She's a detransitioner. What does that mean? It means that she was a female to male trainee.

I can't go. Like, that's too text. Did she chop off anything? She, okay. So is that a guy? No, that's a girl. She identified, I don't admit. But took a bunch of hormones to become a guy.

Oh, man. Is what she did. And then detransitioned from that. That's wrong. Why would she, why would she, why, if you're going to go for it, what was the, was there an explanation for why? No. She went to he and them.

Back? I wasn't, I wasn't particularly, was she attractive? She looks attractive. I don't know, but I wasn't particularly, I'm asking that, like, what causes an attractive girl to do that? Oh, well, she has a mind virus. She has a leftist mind virus. Like, she's all about the gays and all about the, you know, she's all about that shit. So now she's, she's back to a woman, but she's dating women. She's with women. And men. Oh, she's, okay. So she's, she doesn't discriminate. She wants both. Yeah, she wants, she does both. Yeah. So what I, what happened there was um that exchange right when she tried to take a shot i took a shot back and then went on to debunk her point i disproved it and she said that women should be having abortions to basically cover up their promiscuity that was what her her actual argument was but what her initial attempt was

was that i was some kind of hypocrite within my own ethical view but never could demonstrate how so i was like how what's the hypocrisy yeah what's wrong with a christian dating a woman as children and apparently perceived hypocrisy is that, well, you tell men that that's a low value woman or that they can't be loved. And I'm like, I've never said any of that shit. What the hell are you talking about? And I think what happens is because I'm in Red Pill spaces a lot or I'm in Manosphere spaces a lot, debating with feminist and other people, that people attribute their worldview to me, even though I've never said any of this shit. I don't know what the hell they're talking about. I just had done in this debate series previously. Yeah, to be, to be fair to you, a guy from a Lila Rose's community as a man

may say that, but that's not you. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know how their position is the I'm saving myself. I don't drink. I don't do this. I don't do that. And I'm, and I play to write my entire life and you shouldn't do this. You're not saying that. No. That's not the point. Even at the beginning of the podcast, you said, I don't even like giving people advice. I don't. Because it's true. You know, it may or may not work. Well, and the thing is, is unless you're intricately familiar with a person, you're probably going to give them bad advice. And people, the thing is really funny about this is people often will lie to you.

They don't want to tell you the exact details of what's going on, even when they're asking you for advice, because they want to be judged a certain way. And this actually hurts the advice process as well, right? Because now you're giving them advice based on things they may not even be telling you the truth about, which could lead them astray, too. That's not my thing. I can understand the argument, though.

I can understand the argument of somebody saying, you claim to be this, but then you ended up with a girl that I can understand that argument. Yes, but it has to have merit. So the thing is, yeah. Yeah, it has to have merit and not only that. The hypocrisy comes if you judge others who did that. And if you do, you're going to get pushback. Sure. If you're doing that.

But if it's like, listen, here's the reason I was a matter. I was partying. I was drinking. I was doing this. I found her. She changed my life. We went through a season together. We dated for six years. We didn't get married right off the bat. We were not ready to. Six years later, we did. We've been married for 12 years. This is how our stories. Okay, great. Well, advocation, too, is situations require nuance. Right. There may be times where I attack a single mother for the conditional of being a single mother, depending on why. So for instance, Let's say that there's a woman who says, I'm a single mom by choice

because I hate men and don't want my kid to have a father in their life, right? I'm definitely going to attack that position. But that's not attacking her because she's a single mother. That's attacking the conditionals around why. Yeah, I saw a video the other day. Oh, my God.

I was, I cannot, Vinnie, I cannot tell you how impressed and confused. I was with the way you, because it's not common. Let me see if this is the one. Rob, I'm going to send it to you, see if you can pull this up. They're having a conversation. She's looking at, she's talking to guys, says, what would you like to do on the first date?

This is the one, Rob, okay? You know this thing where you pop the balloon? I don't know if you've seen the pop the balloon stuff that, you know. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay, so this one guy comes up and the scroll in the red dress. Is this the one, Rob? Yeah. Do you have it?

I do. You got to see this. Vinny. I have a feeling you're going to try to find her and slide in her DMs. Okay. You'll see why in a minute. Hulsome Christian. Vinnie. Just watch. Just watch. Go ahead. That's the one.

I'm going to let you ask the question because you are the initiator and I'll follow that. So what does your initial first date look like with him? My initial first date is asking him where he wants to bring me. And daytime

Is he a planner? So I will know kind of where he's at and what he has in store and what type of life I would be walking into. So my initial first day would be up to the man. I would not want to be the one planning that. Okay. Well, I wasn't saying like playing like what type of stuff are you, would you like to do on the first day as far as are you into it? I want to do what he wants to do. Oh, I like that.

Yeah. Okay. Because I'm there to learn him. And I'm there to know him. But he got to learn you too, though. And he'll learn me when I walk into his world. Ooh, God damn. Okay.

But walking to my world first, I'm not providing a world for you. So my world. Did you get it? Really doesn't matter. She's like, show me you. She's right or die with you. Let her keep places. What have I cultivated?

Have I nurtured my world? Where can my world take him, right? When I enter his world. So that's why I won't. present the preconceived notion of what I want to do because he might show me something new. And now I just limited my son. Lower the music. So what I don't want to hear the music.

And I never gave him a chance to step me into his world. So. Damn, okay. Can we bring her up here or what? Like, I would have, did you, what did you, what did you, what did you think about that? I mean, here's the thing. You got to be cautious. So after, after having talked to,

Just like I'd love to have you the appropriate place for her to be is on the whatever podcast. Well, maybe, but the thing is, is after having talked with hundreds of women on that podcast and male feminists as well, there are there are chameleons and things like this who will adopt this worldview and pretend that that it's their worldview when it's really not. And it's a way for them to compete in a hypergamous nature. for what they consider a high-value man to be. They're adopting the talking point. So it's an act. Can be. It's not always, but it can be. You know her? No, I don't know who she is.

Do you know her, Rennie? Not yet. But I'm just always cautious. You just see me like this? Because I've heard this type of spiel many times before, and I ask a couple of questions, and the whole thing falls apart. What are the two questions? What do you ask? Well, usually I'll just ask things like, who's the ultimate decider and why?

like why why does a man why is the man why is why does he get to be the ultimate decider in this thing how come if you have like you're let's say that the two of you have a disagreement you can't come to terms yeah and you feel very strongly about it why does he why do you get why do you defer to him why does he get to make the ultimate decision and oftentimes you'll hear him say things very quickly they changed their tune into things like why we just wouldn't be with a person if we came to an impasse that we couldn't agree on and i'm like well you realize in relationships that's going to happen and most people don't know that most people haven't been in long term enough relationships to realize impasses do happen and one person actually does have to ultimately be the decider when that impasse happens and the other person is going to have to go along with it or else there's not going to be a relationship like there's going to be a point in almost every relationship where that happens and for a lot of these people they don't even understand that they have no concept of that they think that everything is a discussion and a democracy and you know, the two of us will come to some kind of even ground here. And it's like, that's not

always the case. And when it's not the case, you're going to have to defer to one of you. So which one? Which one gets to make the decision? So she says the man? Well, if she says the man, I usually would just ask, and why? Why the man? Because he's the leader of the household. Usually they'll say some things like that. But sometimes they'll usually revert back to, well, I just wouldn't be with a person like that. Got it. Right? And it's like, if they say,

because he's the head of the household and I have a traditional upbringing, that's why, that's a fair answer, right? But the FemCon will say, I just wouldn't be with a man like that. I want a man who's, I'm equally yoked with ultimately, right?

And blah, blah, blah. And it comes back down to egalitarianism. So I'm just always cautious on first answers because women, not just women, but men too, like to put their best foot forward. Yeah. Right?

And so you just got to be cautious. Well, listen, the reason why I played that out is because Vinny and her, I've been dating for seven months. And I wanted to see what you were going to say about her. He fell for it. I did. You fell for it. What the, so. True.

Can you bring her in Rob will quick? Mary, come on in. She cheated on me on the second day. No, there's no relation. I got it. We never met her before. We just had a phone with you. Well, Andrew, you know,

there's characters online that I watch and I'm interested in them as a human being. I did the same thing with other guys I brought him. I think we did one with Nick a couple months ago just to find out why he believes in what he believes in and you learn more. This was a great exercise, learning more about you. And anybody that's watching this that wants to ask this man any question

for him to piss you off or for you to piss him off, you can ask a question, I believe, on Meneck. If I'm not mistaken, and Rob, Natalia was telling me the account was set up in a past. So if we can set that up for him to be able to ask the question, you can ask some question on Manette. And where can people find you? What podcast? You can find me on The Crucible on YouTube.

I also have a daily show on Rumble called The Extravaganza. That runs four days a week, Monday through Thursday. And you can also find me on Twitter X. Maybe I shouldn't say Twitter X anymore, just X, I guess. I still say Twitter. I do too. Tweet. I just tweeted.

Send a tweet. It's way more catchy, isn't it? Twitter? It is. It's way more catchy. Like, what do you do on X? You just post. I just posted something on X.

It's too much. Yeah, exactly. Too many words. But yeah, I'm there. I'm at Paleo Christcon on X. And you can also find, let's see, what else do I have going on? That's the main ones. Let's put those below, Rob.

And Andrew, God willing, you'll get a chance to debate Pacman. and we've had him here before. He was a great salesperson at Circuit City back in the day. He loves getting paid commission. Bring that up when you do talk to him. You know, it's a big commission guy.

Oh, man, I should have got into one more story with you. What's that? The Unfuck America Tour. You know what that is? Have you ever heard of that? No. The Unfuck America Tour is a real thing? It's a real thing.

Okay, so you're speaking about destiny in these people, right? No, no, I'm talking about Pacman. I know. Yeah. I know. But these all, I think all these people, including Pacman, I'm not sure if he's associated with it, but it wouldn't surprise me. Basically, what they did was they followed around Charlie Kirk.

This was a bunch of TikTokers and things like this. They followed around TPSA in order to do debates on the same college campuses as TPSA was doing. Well, now they're going across the street from Amfest in order to do some debates, reached out to me to negotiate a debate with Destiny and some other guy, right? so we get through or we're going into negotiations this and that i go ahead and decline right based on some of the criteria that i didn't like and that was it right that's the end of the negotiations the head of unfuck america goes on twitter starts calling starts calling me and it was

myron gains a coward and all sorts of other things uh on this debate that we had not even agreed to do we were just in the negotiations for right uh z or something like that that how is it that this organization is going to bring right wingers in to do these debates with their leftists if you can't even negotiate with them without them without them. Is this Amy Zelmer? Yeah, Z. Co. Yeah, this one. I thought that that was a, okay, now maybe I got this wrong. I thought that that was a trans. Honestly, I see it. I thought it was a trans. That's the founder of it. Yeah. Well, I don't know if it's a founder, but I think it's ahead. Can I see the picture, Rob?

Yes. go back I just want to see the picture like well you can't really tell yeah it just I wouldn't be able to say guy or girl yeah I'm not trying to be a jerk I'm just I get it I thought I thought so but I guess I was wrong about that but anyway

Zekele and Sanchez yeah just freaks freaks out about this whole thing even though it never it never got past the negotiation phase for an actual debate it's the wildest thing in the world but yeah this is the

what's called the unfuck America tour just totally useless leftists who basically are piggybacking off of the success of TPSA and Republican organizations to try to bait people in for debates wildest thing I've ever seen interesting this all comes from another

they had another one before this another that all these streamers were involved in it wasn't called the unfuck America tour then but basically they an organization came and bought up Twitch politics and the streamers who were in Twitch politics as well and tried to turn them into a political apparatus and it was a big disaster. So I can't wait to see this thing

crash and burn either. Where are you at with the Turning Point USA, Candace, all that stuff? Have you commented on that or no? I think that Candace is crazy. Really? Yeah. Tell me why. Because she, I spent a lot of time. It's true. I didn't like her already because she, she attacked Stephen Crowder when he needed her the most, right? But that wasn't it. It was, I listened very carefully to what she was saying on the Brigitte McCrone situation. Never a single piece of positive evidence that she brought to the table. Nothing.

But when it came to the Charlie Kirk stuff, it's much, much, much worse. Almost no positive evidence. But the most important thing that drove me crazy is a lack of charitability. meaning there people in the TPSA camp post assassination they were coming out they were talking they were discussing their various experiences they were there right well when people have an event like that they get details sometimes wrong right they don't have perfect recall in the detail so for instance she was harping on a guy who said you know I remember the very first thing this other dude said was you know I got to call Erica and she's like well you know

that wasn't actually the first phone call they made it made a different phone call and then called Erica and it's like who gives shit right what does that mean that's not telling us anything that's useful here that's not giving us actual information it's just being completely uncharitable to the person uh who may not have perfect recall after this traumatic event or may remember events differently which is why most of the time eyewitness testimony is considered somewhat unreliable in court because people are flawed they're less you know they uh they they they have less than perfect memories, they remember things out of sequence, or they may remember an event very vividly, but then give it added context or take context away from it. That's just how

human beings operate. And most of the conjecture and conspiracy theory she puts up are due almost 100% just to a lack of charitability of what another person is saying. And it's like if she had just added just a small amount of charitability when these people are telling their stories. She'd walk away with wildly different conclusions. Well, I was going to ask, the one thing, because I haven't, I don't have the time, I adore Charlie, but I don't have time to sit there and watch the whole three-month soap opera saga.

That's what it is. I can't, I can't, I cannot do it. I have so much stuff going on in my life. But the one thing that I just saw recently was the somebody, Charlie text Andrew Colvin or somebody, the night before this is like, this has just been proven with their conversation. with Erica Kirk, and it's a fact. Charlie texted someone, I think one or two, Pat, the night before, and said, they are

trying to kill me. Full stop. The real question is, what would make, I know people sometimes say, like I just said before this podcast, these guys, they want to kill me. I know they do. They text it. They're saying it. What would make Charlie the day before he was actually assassinated say, they are trying

to kill me and who's a day? He didn't. He didn't. The text actually said the left is trying to kill me. and that just came out the left is trying to kill me and this is what I mean by lack of charitability so when

that's a bold claim right they're trying to kill me yeah they are trying to kill me a whole different statement than the left is trying to kill me is that what it actually was it's wants by the way I don't think trying it's once and I believe that what that actually was

was the left wants to kill me see I didn't I didn't hear the left the left part but to say that the day before you get assassinated it's pretty like, I mean, because the thing about it, the left. Yeah, but you see the context change? Like, they want to kill me? Or the left wants to kill me.

A massive context change, right? But I mean, I would like to see that, like, again, it's not the responsibility. Now, I believe, now, I mean, maybe I'm getting this detail wrong, and you guys can fact check me. I'm open to it right now to being fact checked on this, but I believe that that came out in her conversation with Erica Kirk, that the message actually said, the left wants to kill me. Now, if I'm wrong about that, hey, I'll eat crow, but I do believe that that's what was said.

I didn't hear that one. They are going to kill me. She implied over and over. It was Israel. She saw the text herself, and it clearly said they was the left. Well, they, they, clearly that they, but he didn't say, it wasn't in the text that it was the left. It's just they. So I'm meeting in the context of the conversation, it was they.

Still, still weird, the night before you get assassinated, the they, I don't think he was talking. about, you know, the furry loving whatever, what the hell is Tyler Robertson, but it's pretty wild. Even if the message itself, and maybe I'm, maybe I'm wrong here, it didn't say specifically the left wants to kill me, but the precursor contextually was a bunch of leftists are after me and then he says, yeah, they want to kill me. You know what I mean? Yeah. That's, that's the same exact thing, right, in context. And this is what I mean by just, and that comes down to a lack of charitability. It comes down to like before you you can make a judgment or an assessment like that, context is critical and key. And so many people jump the gun on these things because they

refuse to wait for the additional context, the key context. And so they build frames around it, which are untrue. Remember back to the very first part of the conversation with Patrick, what did my dad teach me to get to the core root? Most people believe things, which are totally unfounded because they've been told to them, even though they have no justification for the things they say, that was one of those things. There wasn't actually good justification for her to immediately assume they meant Israel or anything else. And it could easily be a simple explanation like somebody said, leftists are trying to kill you. Oh yeah, they're always trying to kill me. You know what I mean? And that shifts context radically. And because of that, I find myself distrusting, very distrusting of any

information which comes out of the Candace camp. I just do. Because every single, single time the context gets shown with it. It radically changes the situation. Do you trust the FBI? I mean, yeah, I don't think it's a dialectic. Like they say if you don't trust Candace, it's Fed Slop. You don't have to trust either. You don't have to believe that the FBI is being straightforward in this and that in a criminal case. You don't have to believe that at all. But what you should do is at least wait until they provide the state provides the evidence. This guy's alive. He's not dead. He's there to answer. He can still answer questions, there's going to be a trial. We can wait until the state presents its

evidence and then poke holes in that evidence, right, and then attack that evidence. We don't have to make this giant speculative leap that foreign nations, especially Israel, Charlie Kirk was the biggest fucking Zionist on planet Earth. He was the biggest Zionist Christian I've ever seen. And to make this jump that Israel killed him, he was like their main cheerleader. It just, it always seemed absurd to me. But then when you dive into it, you realize that very quickly context changes when we have more of a clear picture. It's like, I'm not willing to make the judgment assessment under Trump's FBI that they're just feeding me bullshit just yet. I want to see what they have to say and I want to see where the actual evidence leads. You saw the Dan Bongino yesterday stepping

down. Yeah. So that's terrible. That's, it's, I mean, what is, but here's my thing. What would make somebody like that who I know loves the country that there's no, question. There's absolutely zero question. What makes the Dan Bonjino? Because I heard, and again, you're right, you have to wait for that it was going to be cashed. He was not happy with Cash Patel's stance. But then to hear that it was Dan Bonjino

well, and the thing is, just like, I remember watching Dan Bojino on the Epstein stuff on Rumble. Yes. And that guy's a real smart guy. Oh, yeah. And he dove into, and I mean, he doesn't know who I am, which is fair enough. This guy's larger than life. He's huge.

But I remember listening to him tons and tons of times on the Epstein stuff and he was really adamant you know and him getting in that FBI position people had a lot of big expectations yep that hey we got the guy in there

who doesn't believe and then when he came out and he was like actually he killed himself I think that that was such a brutal killing blow to him and I'm not sure here's what I wonder and I do wonder this right and I'm this is pure speculation right so you don't take it to the bank anybody okay just just

thoughts in my head if he when he went in there he did see some things on Epstein that were that raised his eyebrows and he was told to basically come out and say this and he did and he has a lot of regrets about it and this is a reason he's leaving this is a big form of speculation that's going on. I'm not sure that that's in any way or to shape or form the case, though. So, but it is something that has crossed my mind. Yes. I saw his post when he announced he's going into the FBI. He got a few hundred thousand likes. His post yesterday that he is stepping down. Let's see here. If you look at the post of him stepping down yesterday.

I'm leaving right there, but 11.1 million views. Yeah, yeah. So to me, I don't know, thank you. I think people thought he was going to go in and do stuff with Epstein. And the interview we all watched, we were all suspect about the way he answered and he's doing stuff with his eyes and overreact him. See, now they're with the Epstein stuff, there is compelling evidence.

The brother of Epstein had, you know, the, you know, he had his own expert come in to try to do analysis and verification on the official story. And he, they did present evidence that this looked like it possibly could have been a murder by suffocation and various things. And that evidence is at least compelling. But the guy that brought in, the guy they brought in, anybody that ever hired him, the guy sided with the person that paid him. I don't know if that makes sense. Yeah. So anybody that hired him to investigate who was behind it

always sided with the person that paid him. Sure. However, that doesn't mean he's wrong. No, it doesn't mean he's wrong. But if you have six patterns of that happening, and the guy's an 80-year-old something guy, it's enough to raise an eyebrow about. It's enough to raise an eyebrow about.

But it's at least some evidence. Sure. It's something you ought to consider, but it goes back to when you're talking about, you know, when there's an eyewitness and it happens and people misremember the sequence of what happened first. Right. Well, first they opened a door, then they walked and then they show.

You sure did they shoot first and open? I don't remember. It's kind of like so you don't. But you got to put into consider it. But to me, when he does his first podcast in the next six months, if how is he going to do a podcast? Think about it. Is it going to be 19 things.

I learned in the FBI that they don't want you to know about. He can't do that. No, of course not. He can't do that. So, okay. So the entire time he's thinking about what things am I going to comment on? What are you going to comment on? What if he came out and he's a whistleblower?

He's not going to do that. Then protect it under whistleblower laws. He's not going to do that because I think the hardest part about, you know, when you join the mob and everything is a mob, it doesn't matter what you think about. You're a made man. You don't just walk away, right? He is a maid man. He is.

Great point. So he is a maid man. So if you're going to walk away and go back to regular life, yeah. Listen, you don't think they have stuff on everything with Dan and, you know, in this video, he's talking about how tough it is on his marriage and how, I don't know if you saw that interview. He says, you realize how tough did it's on my marriage?

I don't see my wife. We're having a hard time. We're separated right now. He says, not separated as divorce. We're just separated for the last six months. We really. this is not it this is not like a you know oh my god what an awesome job i can't wait to be you know the director or you do this it's a pretty shitty job that you got yeah especially if

you're a family guy oh and cash is not a family guy cash has got a girlfriend yeah that he's doing podcasts we're totally get it but what i'm saying is he's got his girlfriend sue elijah shaffer yes i don't know she was getting sued because they said that she was a honeypot allegedly for israel and they sued him for like 10 million for a lot of money I think we showed it, Pat. He made a video. You played it a while ago about the guy saying he's like, bro, I didn't say. Who is Elijah Schaefer?

Lasha Schaefer, yeah, he's a podcaster. Can you pull him up real quick, Rob? I'll let you know the moment I see his face. Yeah, this guy. We showed it. Yeah, we made that video. But then I know we want to close, Pat. You have to understand, too, like what you're talking about, like the conscience,

they release, besides the influencers holding the Epstein list, which is complete BS and it was such an embarrassment. With all the lying from Pam Bondi and all these people, just alone, Andrew, the doctored video of splicing out moments in his jail cell of Epstein's jail sale. It's like, you guys took out 30 seconds. What are we doing, bro? It was. It was.

Do you think, just to ask you directly. Yeah. Right. Do you think that Trump is named in the Epstein files? I don't think his name is, if I had to guess and assume, I think very powerful people that he knows that gave him potentially money. they're on there. There's a lot of people. Is it a deal breaker for you?

I don't like, I'm anti, anything, he knows this, he knows me more than anybody here. Anything with children, Andrew, as a Christian Bible reading. The major most warning spots in the Bible, I think it's Ephesians chapter 12, something like that,

verse 6, about harming children. That's the worst. You might as well tie a millstone around your neck and throw yourself in the deepest parts of the ocean, which the symbolism is, God sees everything. Why would God say in the deepest parts of the ocean? Because he wants you out of his freaking sight. If it came out that Trump, not that Trump did any of this stuff, but just people

adjacent to him. And he's protecting them? I'm not of, I'm done. I'm done. I agree with that. I don't play. Andrew, I think that that's the correct take, honestly. You know what my position is? I love kids. I can't play that game. What about, what about the, I guess my last question for you since I got you here is like, you do realize, though, that our federal government engages in blackmail operations like that all over the world,

along with other governments, sometimes to good effect, like sometimes like that's really to our benefit that they do that, right? It's, he's sat there multiple times because Andrew, great, I love that you said that. I had to wake up to that fact

because I said, let justice be done though the heavens fall, meaning if we're built, on that, like, and I get what you're saying, how does God, the ultimate judge, look at us? Everything's, people are manipulating each other and doing everything to, to further the dominance and the power of the United States. I am so anti, I get what you're saying. And trust me, I know that they're doing it because it didn't start with Trump. This has been going, it's such a powerful thing, Andrew, they've all been involved. Well, it's gone through four administrations, right? Four of them.

Yeah, so, yeah, exactly. So my point is, my, my attitude is, I understand 100% and he's explained and I get it. It's just, bro, I don't, I know for a fact, God isn't going, yeah, you know what, keep the pedophilia secret because X, Y, and Z are there and we have a good relationship with this country. I'm anti that 1,000 percent because God, you're not hiding from him at all. He sees it all. You were going to say something to a pet before?

No, I was going to say what he said. I was going to say what he said, which is, you know, what is the, what is the inventory of intel that we've shared with Mossad, let's say we go there. I've had Mark Epstein. And MI6. And MI6 and not just MI6 and Massad, quite multiple intel. Say you're sharing that intel with them and say you have had control of some of the most powerful people that are evil people in the world. And you can hang on to that for all this time so they don't do anything dumb? Is that better to save the lives of current hundreds, if not millions of people? That's the argument. Okay, so you can, you can sit there and...

But as a Christian, if he's going from Christian, he's going from Christian ethics. As the Christian argument, you're the argument. So from the ethics, but remember, from the ethics side, it's like... Trump at Charlie Kirk's Memorial, what did he say? I, I'm... He says, with his... His... Lord and Savior. Yes. He never said, he says, would Charlie Kirk's, Lord and Savior?

He never said, our. Nope, you're 100% right right. To Trump, when he says, I'm not going to heaven. Yeah. Maybe to him, he's accepted it. And he thinks to have this job, I don't live by the standard you live. Then it is what it is.

But if he's saying from his standard, from the standard of Christian ethics, he's saying, who cares? Like, even if it protects hundreds of thousands of people, it's not worth one kid having that happen. that's a remarkably consistent position that I can't really beat a person up over because it is consistent.

There is, but to what extent? So keep that position. To the extent of you'd be willing to replace Trump for Kamala, to the extent of you'd be willing to replace Trump for Newsom, or to the extent of you would be willing to replace Trump with a super conservative guy like a DeSantis. Then that's a different position. That's primary.

But what if we flipped it a little bit? okay, I'm willing to do all of that if it's the case that this behavior stops. Wouldn't that still be consistent? So let's say if you were to say, okay, I will replace Trump with Kamala, but only under the condition that these blackmail operations using underage kids as sexual objects also stops. And would you take the deal then? Do you believe somebody on the progressive side is going to have that kind of a belief system?

But let's just say hypothetical. Well, let's just say hypothetically they would. Would you make the deal then? Would you replace them then? What other values and principles would I need to accept that comes with that package? Yeah, that's a good point. I agree. Would I need to accept the package of allow 20 million immigrants to come in, of which?

Well, Trump's not exactly hard on the LGBTQ, to be fair. But you know what his argument was in 2016 when they asked him about it? In 2015, in 2015, they asked them about it. They said, so what is your position about LGBTQ? He said, isn't that already along? What are we talking about? Let's move on. It was a two-second conversation.

And he moved on from it, right? Because Trump is very calculating. He looks at what are the top five issues? Why would I make a 12 issue, a number three issue? No, boom. Here's my top five issue. They're sending their worst. They're rapists.

They're this, their dad, and we've got to build a wall. Boom. Go. Yes, I'm behind it. Then comes in, hey, guys are praying over him. Is he a Christian? Is he not a Christian? Nobody knows you. I used to go to the church of Norman Vincent Peel with power of positive thinking. And that's a different Christian power of positive thinking.

You don't think that that's a more powerful argument? Which one? Well, so the argument from complexity, he's saying, like, look, this is a really complex world that we live in. And even if it was the case that Trump knew about this and is protecting these people, the greater harm actually would be to allow Kamala Harris to perform another 700,000 abortions this next year. And that's, yeah, that's such a, it's such a freaking crazy, like, I'm anything, 100%, like, I'm, I'm, you know what, you know what George Clooney said. He said something about, uh, if somebody harms my kid, I don't know what it was. Who was this? He says, uh, Clooney. He says something about, he says something about guns or, I don't know what the argument was. But the argument was.

I don't believe in that policy because it was a conservative policy. He says, but if somebody did this to my daughter, I would go and kill them. And I would gladly go to jail. Okay? Okay. What's the point? If you find out that would happen to your whatever, kids, somebody, the niece, nephew, and you're like, oh, you did that?

No problem. I'll go to jail for life. I'll come and take you on. Like, who was the UFC fighter right? And I got to wrap it up because Monterey keeps track. He just got... He just got... Possibility of parole.

Yeah. He when I said, what did you do? Boom. And he shot him. I don't know what he did. He kicked his ass. He did something to him. Kane?

Kane. Kane Velazquez. Yeah. Kane Velazquez. There he is. There is, Robbie. He just got... He just hit the news.

If you go to news, Rob. Go back and just go to news. You know, he's parole eligibility he went after the guy that molested somebody in his family nephew or some like that right so to me you know that's where you sit there and you say i'm going to either leave it up to god the 14 year old kid with a 10 year old son that he experienced 10 years ago which i think that you told me it was a you haven't spoken about this but one other time in that moment what do you do you leave it up to God or do you go and say really I for an eye I'm coming

that's the individual's choice and that's why just like the the sniper cop that sits down and tells him you're going to get five dollar gifts send thank you cards she's going to change she will never be the same again she's still the same person as inside but you have to try to find a way to find that person, but she's permanently changed, right? Okay. Someone's going to sit there if that happens to you. It's going to be like, look, I know you want to kill this guy. But if you kill this guy, look what you have here. They're going to suffer. You have still a kid left. You have still two kids left. You still have what? You got siblings. You got this. People are relying on you. And then your battle is what? I'm going to

kill you. Yeah, of course. So that's flesh and that's faith in God. What a battle to go through. I understand that. Vengeance in the blood. Like when I was talking about his eyes and I say, your eyes tell me you don't trust anybody. You're super skeptical and you have, you know, a rage in you. Why is that, right? I get that. But when you have a handful of countries that are hoping for you to have a massive fall and this country's values and principles, billions of people around the world are hoping America makes it

so they can come back and influence a little bit of our country? Hey man, can you guys just keep it together? Can you guys, Americans, don't get a divorce? Can you guys, like, stay solid? Because you're concerning me, and I'm living in Brazil or I'm living in this. I don't want to leave Brazil, but I kind of want America to stay strong.

I think that part, that person's job of being the president, his job. When you become a president, you have to accept the fact that your decisions will kill people. Your decisions will cost a lot of people's lives. Politics is always a trade-off. Don't run for office if you don't want it. Don't do it. It's not for you. That's his job. Let him deal with his maker on what he wants to do. And that's my position. But I understand why he's doing what he's doing. To me, he has such a control. I believe, over 20, 30, 40, 50 people,

and that's kind of keeping it together, that blackmail or whatever you want to call it. Maybe you wouldn't do it. Maybe the average person would watch it right now saying, screw you guys, I don't agree with you. Totally get it. But that, typically in a family, you know, you get pissed up. I think they do get it.

I don't think everybody gets it. No, but I think enough to. I agree with you. I do think enough to, but I do think there's a percentage. But no, but no, but no. And I get it. Like, you know, when you're your father, and you have kids, and 80% of the kids are not going to understand.

Like, what are you talking about? You'll know in 20 years. Relax, bro. That's true. Go try to get straight age right now. Go try to get straight days right now. One day you'll understand what the fuck, you know, what is going on here. Till that day, play your sports, play your Muaytah, play your stuff.

Go do whatever you're doing with your fortnight and then read some books. And then later on, as we're evolving, I'll tell you more about the family. And by the way, guess what, kid, what? There's about eight things you will never know about your family. Really? Yes. Just like there's 40 things I don't know about my mom and my dad. And we all have to live with it. We move on. Anyways, Andrew, I can already tell from just the last 30 minutes, you're a conversation list.

And how big is your podcast right now? How well is it doing? Yeah, you're a good host. Is it mainly you talking or do you bring people and have conversations as well? Mostly me. I'm a freestanding creator. So it's mostly me who. But I think you also are a good point card. I think you're also a good point card. I think you're also a good point card. I think you, you know. I've always done well in this setting. Yeah, but no, some are just scores, and they're killer scores.

And some are, you know, triple threat. Like, they're good at giving points that go viral. I want to know what that guy has to say. What did Andrew Wilson say about this, right? And then there are guys that, like, create the conversation. And then there's guys that are very entertaining. You just listen to like, Tim Dillon. you know whether you agree with him or not

he's going to turn the shit out of you right you're a good point guard as well I only saw you as a score but you're actually very good point guard as well take it for you know whatever you do with that compliment it's up to you I'm just telling you're a good point I appreciate you ought to entertain bringing panel because I think you're a good guy at holding it together as well

but this has been a blast appreciate you for coming out really it's great to meet you likewise by the way for those of you watching if you're ever asked to be a guest in this podcast they treat you extremely well and to guys like me that's very important I've been on podcast where that's not the case. And this one, they really rolled out the red carpet.

So I really appreciate that. Well, we appreciate you saying that. We appreciate you saying that. Thank you so much for that. Guys, you are going to see this right around Christmas. Okay? So Merry Christmas. Happy New Year.

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