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Episode Date: August 21, 2026

Friday on the News Hour, the White House ballroom project gets a boost from the Supreme Court, and the nation's capital prepares for the president's latest spectacle, an IndyCar race. A big merger and... economic winds could blow a Hollywood icon out of California. Plus, we investigate the U.S. Forest Service's widespread use of the controversial herbicide Roundup. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy

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Starting point is 00:00:04 Good evening. I'm Amna Navaz. Jeff Bennett is away. On the news hour tonight, the White House Ballroom Project gets a boost from the Supreme Court, and the nation's capital prepares for the president's latest spectacle, an IndyCar race. A big merger and economic winds could blow a Hollywood icon out of California. Plus, we investigate the U.S. Forest Service's widespread use of the controversial herbicide in Roundup. It seems like it's poison that they're putting into the woods. There's some real health concerns for children, for babies, right? I have two-month-old. This is our backyard. This is where my children play. Welcome to the News Hour.
Starting point is 00:00:55 The Supreme Court today temporarily cleared the way for construction of President Trump's White House ballroom to continue while the justices consider his administration's appeal. Chief Justice Roberts issued the order blocking a lower court ruling that would have halted much of the work. Our White House correspondent Liz Landers joins us now to discuss this as well as the president's IndyCar race coming to the nation's capital this weekend. Liz, good to see you. Let's start with the Supreme Court here. That order today delays a ruling that would have required all construction on the ballroom to stop as of midnight tonight. So what happens now? The Supreme Court handed down this ruling mid-afternoon today.
Starting point is 00:01:33 This is an administrative stay and it does allow the construction to move forward for now. It's a temporary order and it's going to give the justices more time. to weigh in on this case and this huge ballroom project. If the Supreme Court had not issued this, the construction would have stopped at midnight today. The ballroom construction has been the top of mind for the president for months now, and this has been litigated
Starting point is 00:01:57 as the National Trust for Historic Preservation has sued to stop this construction. But the White House revealed last week in a legal filing that 65% of this ballroom project is finished out. Crews are working 20 hours a day seven days a week. The president, as you can imagine, celebrated this decision online in a true social post. And he was also asked about this as he left the White House and how it's being paid for. Here's what he said. And it's all from people like me and great companies that are putting it up.
Starting point is 00:02:28 It's going to be close to $400 million. And it's all paid for by patriots and patriotic companies, big companies. So that's all money, no taxpayer money for the ballroom at all. Umno, we should note that there are several hundred million dollars of taxpayer money that has been set aside already to pay for the security enhancements in that military facility, the military bunker. So part of the ballroom is being paid for with private donations. The military side is being paid for with taxpayer money. All right. Let's turn now to the IndyCar Grand Prix in Washington this weekend. Tell us about it what we need to know and how difficult it was to turn downtown Washington, D.C. into a race course. Well, the National Mall is being turned into this racetrack this weekend here in Washington. D.C. race cars are going to whizz by famous monuments, sites like the Capitol, the Smithsonian Museums, other federal buildings downtown. And 288,000 people apparently applied for the free tickets to attend this.
Starting point is 00:03:26 Organizers expect 140,000 people to turn out each day for this two-day event. President Trump is expected to wave the green flag and is also expected to do a lap around the track in The Beast in his motor. This is all in celebration for America's 250th birthday this past summer. Staying on the theme there, the track is 1.7 miles. It's going to have seven turns. The driver's going to take 147 laps, which will equal about 250 miles for this race. This has taken weeks of preparation. If you're driving around downtown Washington, you have probably experienced the gridlock with the street closures.
Starting point is 00:04:03 One kind of amazing detail here, in fact, 227 manhole cover. had to be welded down because of the torque that the Indy cars generate on the road. Incredible. What about the cost for all of this and who is going to pay for it? So race organizers say that the cost of the race will be up to $35 million, making it the most expensive IndyCar race ever. Penske is the corporation behind this. They're paying for the bulk of this. They also do have corporate sponsors like Boeing, Philip Morris, and Shell. The $35 million, though, does not include security enhancements. and police and other costs.
Starting point is 00:04:41 The athletic says that Washington, D.C., received about $90 million for protection for all of these 250 events this past year and that some of that money is going to be used to pay for this event. And while I mentioned that the tickets for this event are free, there are hospitality suites in these high-doner tickets, high-dollar tickets that are being sold to donors. We got a sales deck that showed that these half-sweets
Starting point is 00:05:06 are going for $100,000. That includes 15 sweet tickets and 15 paddock passes as well as food alcohol and you're sitting in an air-conditioned area. There are also $5,000 a pop tickets for the so-called Champions Club for two days. And also according to the sales deck, which was put out by monumental sports, which is putting on this event, there's also premium advertising opportunities like on track branding there. We reached out several times to the Indy 250 organizers to ask questions about. about these sponsorship deals and what they're paying for, we did not hear any response back from them.
Starting point is 00:05:43 So, Liz, what is your reporting show about how big a role the White House played in making all of this happen? Well, the president has hosted a number of these splashy events here in Washington to celebrate America's 250th birthday. We saw the UFC fight on the South Front of the White House. In June, we saw the 4th of July fireworks in July, and now this happening in August.
Starting point is 00:06:03 He has had two IndyCar events at the White House ahead of this to preview this race, including one where an IndyCar drove past the White House and did a pit stop while the president and an audience were watching. Also, the Transportation Secretary, Sean Duffy, has been heavily involved in getting this event across the finish line. There has been a lot of negotiating that's had to happen behind the scenes cutting through red tape. Originally, this course was planned to be on the Capitol grounds, but they couldn't get that approved, so they moved it farther down onto Pennsylvania Avenue. Liz, Landers, beginning our coverage tonight. Liz, thank you.
Starting point is 00:06:37 of course. We start the day's other headlines in Massachusetts. The defense rested its case in the murder trial of Lindsay Clancy, the mother charged with strangling and killing her three young children. Clancy's lawyers argue she should not be held criminally responsible because she suffered from postpartum psychosis. Prosecutors say the killings were planned. It should not take tragedy for people to start paying attention to mental health.
Starting point is 00:07:15 Yesterday, hundreds of Clancy supporters wore pink and gathered outside the courthouse. Many said they hope the case raises awareness about how the mental health system treats women. Prosecutors also began calling rebuttal witnesses today with closing arguments expected next week. The editor-in-chief of Stars and Stripes says the Pentagon has fired him, along with the newspaper's publisher and a reporter. Eric Slavin tells the Associated Press that he was dismissed for insubordial. nation after saying in an interview that any form of censorship would, quote, constitute a red line. The military newspaper is partly funded by the Pentagon, but has a long history of editorial
Starting point is 00:07:56 independence. It was one of the first outlets to report on living conditions aboard the USS Lincoln during the carrier's extended deployment to the Middle East. Communities along the East Coast were cleaning up today after powerful storms lashed the region. In New York City, water seeped into the subway after heavy rains there. At Atlantic Beach on Long Island, a powerful waterspout tornado came roaring ashore, destroying beachfront clubs. It was the first confirmed tornado in Nassau County in five years. Local officials say it was impossible to predict. It's not something that you plan for. Tornadoes form in an instant. And in this case, it started off over the ocean, worked its way over the land here in Atlantic Beach. And luckily, there were no other tornadoes.
Starting point is 00:08:49 that popped up. I retreated into my bathroom, and all you could hear was as the train noise. Farther south, the suspected tornado tore through Delaware's capital of Dover, tearing off roofs and leaving a trail of debris. While in Jersey City, New Jersey, emergency crews rescued nearly 70 people trapped in their cars by floodwaters. So far, there have been no reports of serious injuries in any of these locations. President Trump announced a pause on ground beef tariffs today in an event.
Starting point is 00:09:19 attempt to lower prices for consumers. Trump posted on social media that the U.S. will allow up to 300,000 metric tons of beef to be imported over the next 90 days without triggering higher tariff rates. He also said there's a commitment that it will be sold at 25% below current market prices, though he didn't say which companies had agreed to do so. Ground beef prices were up around 10% in July compared to last year. Federal health officials are warning of another food poisoning outbreak related to contaminated produce, this time it's alfalfa sprouts. The FDA and the CDC confirmed that 55 people have fallen ill across 15 states with either salmonella or E. coli or in rare cases both. They add that the real number is likely higher.
Starting point is 00:10:08 At least four people have been hospitalized. Officials linked the outbreak to Minnesota grower Everything Sprouts, which also sells its alfalfa sprouts under the brand name Calco. Consumers are advised not to eat the sprouts. No deaths have been reported. A court in Hong Kong convicted two former organizers of the city's annual Tiananmen Square vigils on national security charges. Li Chuk Yan and Chao Hong Tong were charged in 2021 with inciting subversion, which they denied. Lee has appeared on this program a number of times, including in 2021 after he'd been convicted
Starting point is 00:10:46 in a separate case. what their grand plan is to frustrate the people to such an extent that, you know, either you emigrate to elsewhere, and if you stay on, you have to have the risk of being arrested. Today's conviction is just the latest brought under a China-imposed law that's effectively crushed Hong Kong's once-thriving pro-democracy movement. Lee and Chao face up to 10 years in prison and will be sentenced at a later date. In Alaska, federal investigators say a small plane, during its second attempt to land in heavy fog at a remote military airport, killing
Starting point is 00:11:23 all eight people on board. The National Transportation Safety Board says the pilots couldn't see the runway at the Cape Newenham Long Range radar site airport about 450 miles west of Anchorage. Officials say they were relying entirely on instruments. Two pilots and six passengers died. The airport was built in the 1950s and is used to monitor the skies off Russia, North Korea and China. An investigation is ongoing.
Starting point is 00:11:50 On Wall Street today, stocks ended a shaky wheat with some decent gains. The Dow Jones Industrial Average tacked on more than 500 points or about 1%. The NASDAQ rose nearly half a percent. The S&P 500 posted just its second gain in the past six sessions. And Nancy Kissinger, foreign policy specialist and wife of the late former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, has died. She was a longtime aide to New York Governor Nelson Ross. Rockefeller who introduced the pair. After their marriage in 1974, Nancy Kissinger traveled widely with her husband on his diplomatic missions. Politically savvy herself, she was a fierce
Starting point is 00:12:28 defender of his polarizing foreign policy decisions. The Kissinger's later became fixtures of Manhattan's elite social scene. Her family says she died at their home in Connecticut yesterday. Nancy Kissinger was 92 years old. Still to come, on the news hour, we speak with a U.S. ambassador about growing tensions among Israel, Syria, and Turkey. David Brooks and Jonathan K. Partway in on the week's headlines. And actor Pornajaganathan joins our podcast to talk about Hollywood's ongoing struggle with diversity and representation.
Starting point is 00:13:06 This is the PBS News Hour from the David M. Rubinstein Studio at WETA in Washington, headquarters of PBS News. The proposed $11 billion merger between Paramount and Warner Brothers Discovery has hit major roadblock after California's Attorney General Rob Bonta and 11 other states sued to stop it, citing antitrust concerns. That move was followed by Paramount Skydance CEO, David Ellison, threatening to take his operations out of California if the deal isn't approved. William Brangham has more on a conflict that's rattling the industry. If Paramount did leave California,
Starting point is 00:13:48 and that is a big if, it could mean thousands of jobs and billions of dollars leaving with it, dealing a serious blow to the state's already struggling entertainment industry. But a new report commissioned by L.A. County indicates that a successful merger, with its consolidation and elimination of overlapping positions, would also cost jobs, nearly 4,500 of them, and seized several billion dollars in lost wages in the first few years. David Ellison's departure threat has made Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass change her tune on the merger. After initially opposing it, she's now calling for a quick resolution of the multi-state antitrust case. So for more on what is at stake here, we're joined by Matthew Bellany.
Starting point is 00:14:34 He's the founding partner of Puck News. Matt, thank you so much for being here. As I mentioned, the merger is stalled right now because the Attorney General, Rob Bonta, and all these other states have got this antitrust case against the merger. And now, as you reported and you broke this story, David Ellison is threatening that if the merger doesn't go through by this fall, we're going to pull up stakes and leave L.A. How seriously should we take that threat by him? Well, it's definitely a threat, and he's definitely using it as leverage, and he made the threat because he felt that he had no other option because the Attorney General would not even meet with him.
Starting point is 00:15:17 So take that with a grain of salt, but I do think Ellison is serious about this. Remember, he's the son of Larry Ellison, who is the controlling shareholder of Oracle. And Oracle did exactly that. When it was fed up with taxes and regulation in California, Ellison moved to Texas and then Tennessee. And now we have his son making a very similar threat when he's not getting what he wants out of the state. And there are plans afoot.
Starting point is 00:15:44 They have had conversations with Tennessee, Texas, Georgia. There's one other state in the mix we don't know about. But this is a serious threat. There's been such incredible fissures here. I mean, you've got the current governor, reportedly, the incoming governor, now the mayor of Los Angeles, all saying, we need to make this merger work against a lot of the creative industry, including the union, saying, no, no, no, no, this is going to be terrible for jobs and this is going to just consolidate power. Are you surprised by how these fissures have shaken out? a little bit, I guess. But, you know, keep in mind, even amongst the major labor guilds in the entertainment, there's a split. The Writers Guild is vehemently opposed to the merger and does not want it to happen. The director's guild and another union, Ayatzi, which represents below the line and more worker-oriented people, they have said that they would want a settlement with particular terms that they have outlined in a letter to the attorney general. So it is this kind of, of Rorschach test when you talk to people in Hollywood. They're looking at, you know, no one wants
Starting point is 00:16:55 this merger. It's objectively bad. But many people acknowledge that it's probably going to happen, or if this merger doesn't happen, Warner Brothers is likely going to be sold to some other company. So it's a question of what's the lesser of two evils here? And you have a big split in the industry. And there's also the political dimension of this. As people know, Ellisons are very close with President Trump. CNN would be part of this deal, and there is some concern about CNN falling into the hands of another pro-Trump organization. How much of that is an undercurrent here? I think it's a major undercurrent, and I think it's something that has animated the Democrats on this issue. It's become a political football. Everybody has an
Starting point is 00:17:46 opinion. And many people see what Ellison has done to CBS News since buying the parent company, Paramount. CBS News is undergoing a pretty radical overhaul. And 60 Minutes, a news brand that everybody knows about. Everybody's kind of heard that things are afoot at 60 minutes. So it's become this political thing that politicians know people care about. And yes, the Ellison's have aligned themselves very closely with the Trump administration, and the review of this merger by Trump's Justice Department was very swift and was approved, even though there were people at the Justice Department that really did want to review it further. So I think that is key here. It's not a coincidence that the 12 Attorney General who are opposing this merger are all from
Starting point is 00:18:37 Democrat-led states. It's become something of a political football. And then there is this, the underlying economic issue. As you know so well, Hollywood has already lost. I believe it's 50,000 jobs or so in the last four years. What happens to the industry if several thousand more jobs get lost? What does the town look like? Well, it's a smaller industry. And that is the reality of the situation right now. We're in a period of consolidation where the internet has completely disrupted the traditional entertainment system. Television is transitioning to streaming. I'll see it in how we consume content these days. And the question is, is what is the industry that creates professionally produced content going to look like in 5, 10, 15 years?
Starting point is 00:19:23 And all of these mergers and all of the threats and the politics of it all, it's all related back to the fact that this industry is undergoing disruption. And it's making a lot of people really nervous. Matt Bellany, founding partner of Puck News. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you. Much of the world's attention has been focused on the stalemate in the U.S. Iran War. Meanwhile, elsewhere in the Middle East, tensions are mounting between U.S. allies, Israel and Turkey, in the once hotbed of civil war, Syria.
Starting point is 00:20:08 Nick Schifrin has more. Turkey and Israel are two of the U.S.'s most important allies in the region. The strike exposes their increasing tension with Syria caught in the middle. It was overnight Monday when Israeli warplanes bombed the Abu al-Dahur airbase, those circles are craters made by Israeli bombs on the runways. The air base is about 45 miles from the Turkish border, 180 miles north of Israel. At first, Israel did not claim responsibility. But then U.S. ambassador to Turkey, Tom Barak, who was also U.S. Special Envoy to Syria,
Starting point is 00:20:40 wrote on X, the confirmed Israeli air strikes on Abu al-Dahur airbase constitute an unnecessary escalation that does not advance regional stability. After that, Israel acknowledged the strike, and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he was trying to prevent a Turkish troop deployment. We saw that Turkey intends to establish a presence in the airport south of its current lines. So we conveyed a message. The message went through, but it seems that they did not listen. And so we made sure that they understand it better.
Starting point is 00:21:13 And today the rhetoric only increased. Netanyahu called Turkish President Rejep Tyev Erdogan, a quote, anti-Semitic dictator, a statement that Erdogan's office called a, quote, cheap political ploy. aimed at gaining an advantage for BB himself in the upcoming elections. So to talk about this, I welcome Ambassador Tom Barrack. Thank you so much, Ambassador. Appreciate. Welcome to the NewsHour.
Starting point is 00:21:35 Why is this moment so important to the Trump administration? Why do you publicly call out Israel Strike? Why are you talking about it to me today? It's important to the Trump administration because President Trump has engaged in a new kind of Middle East regional program. We want all of the different. regional partners to start usurping their own responsibility. The answer to all this is lower the temperature, increase the dialogue, increase the discourse, and avoid these abrupt kinetic action.
Starting point is 00:22:07 So long and the short of this is that the mistake that was made was not miscommunication. Israel had thought that they had had a tacit agreement with Syria and a discussion with Turkey of saying, guys, after October 7th, everything has changed. We, Israel, want a clear line of sight between us and Iran, and we are really encouraging you not to put defensive or offensive military equipment for people between us. I spoke to multiple Israeli officials today, and they make a few arguments. One, they attack Erdogan personally, as you know. Two, post-October 7th, they argue that they will not trust Turkish or Syrian troops anywhere near their border. And as you said, there's an agreement between Israel, Syria, and Turkey to maintain the status quo. And the Turkish move into this base
Starting point is 00:23:02 broke that status quo. They warned against it. They're enforcing their red line. What do you say to that argument? I say, I understand their point of view. They've communicated that point of view. I don't think any of the other parties agree. I know that they don't agree, that there is a definitive agreement to that effect. There is a tacit understanding that that is what Israel communicated, and we understand why they communicated it. So what happened here was not a miscommunication. They had communicated to us and to the Syrians. The problem here is, which has already been reported, the director of Mossad, who's also a very good professional, had engaged in a back channel discussion with the prime minister,
Starting point is 00:23:51 a foreign minister of Syria on Friday. They had a discussion about this. Israel had told us for a preceding five days. They were concerned about what was going on. We went to our intelligence agencies. Syria talked to Mossad, gave them the information that there were no Turkish military. There was no Turkish convoy.
Starting point is 00:24:13 There were no Turkish armaments. And that there was nothing adversarial or offensive going on. That was on Friday. We're supposed to meet again the next week. The Syrians, the Americans, all thought that that was going to be a continued dialogue. We had set up a fusion cell. They need to keep discussing it. And something went awry, and Israel decided that they needed to bomb the craters on two runways.
Starting point is 00:24:41 The problem with this is Turkey did not know it was coming. So the real issue here is without notice to a country like Turkey that has a powerful military, military, a forcible air force, a difficult political rhetoric between Israel and Turkey. By the way, in my opinion, it's mostly politics. But it came 80 kilometers to their border without notification Israeli jets. But it sounds like your message here, you're coming on here to send the message that you understand Israeli concerns, but you are concerned about how Israeli communicated leading up to this strike. Yes. I mean, I think everybody's concern is that there was some
Starting point is 00:25:27 miscommunication because they had been communicating their concern, which as they should, and it was being received and dealt with as it should. But the attack was unannounced. It's all a matter of, let's bring this back to a table where you can all sit down and talk, that you're going to have issues with each other, fine, but avoiding kinetic interaction or surprises is the goal. And that's all we're trying to do, is bring everybody. back to the table. There was no what we can see malintent or aggressive action by Syria or Turkey, understanding that Israel is very sensitive to all of those issues that are going on. Does Israel really care about this site because of the airspace? Does Israel have a legitimate
Starting point is 00:26:15 concern that Turkey would, for example, put missiles inside of Syria that could shoot down Israeli planes that would be flying toward Iran. Look, Israel is smart. They have one of the best intelligence organizations in the world. We all have great respect for them. We also understand they're in an election cycle that these kind of issues which they have everywhere, which is unfortunate, can cause them to have a rational judgment on all these issues.
Starting point is 00:26:46 But the way to handle that is to have a discussion with Turkeya on a back channel or front channel. rather than taking independent action. Turkey said openly that they don't have an aggressive or offensive posture with Israel. They do not want to engage in kinetic or military operations. They want a sovereign and independent Syria. We want an independent sovereign Syria. It's what everybody wants. It's what Israel wants also.
Starting point is 00:27:14 It's what they need, what they're concerned about. And they were rightfully concerned at the beginning with the new regime. Now we're almost two years in. We're hoping that we can build trust in, you know, tiny baby steps. But this was a bit of a setback, but I think it's a temperate setback. Tom Berwick, the ambassador to Turkey and special envoy to Syria. Thank you very much. Thanks, Nick.
Starting point is 00:27:35 Thanks for your time. Now to unpack this week's midterm primary results, President Trump's lashing out at key allies and more, we turn to Brooks and K-part. That's the Atlantic's David Brooks and Jonathan K-part of MS now. Great to see you both. Let's go to Florida first. The Democratic Senate primary. That's where we saw the Democratic Socialist candidate, Angie Nixon, beat the former Army intelligence officer Alexander Vindman.
Starting point is 00:28:10 Folks will remember Vindman as a key player in President Trump's first impeachment trial. He was a witness. He was a whistleblower serving on the National Security Council at the time. Jonathan, Democratic voters say again and again they want a fighter. The candidate who literally stood up to President Trump lost this race. Why? Well, I think for several reasons. One, the money that Vindman had was something like $16, 17 million,
Starting point is 00:28:38 and state legislator Angie Nixon had less than a million. So to me, that says money was not a factor here. When Democrats say they want a fighter, sure, Mr. Vindman, yes, he fought, literally went up against President Trump in trying to hold him accountable. But Democrats are also talking about someone who will fight for them, someone who's going to give expression to their anger about what's happening, whether it's the war or high prices, high gas prices, inflation, or just, you know, the wrecking ball the administration's taking to just democracy. And Angie Nixon, state legislator who has been in the trenches there in Florida, working really hard, talking to people. She went out and asked for people's votes, and they gave it to her. I mean, one thing to keep in mind, she joined the Democratic Socialists of America just a few months ago.
Starting point is 00:29:34 And since winning the primary, she is putting a lot of distance between herself and the radical parts of the DSA agenda. Does this mean that she even has a chance? It is unclear. but compared to Democrats in the past going up against Republicans in a deep red state like Florida, we'll see if she actually, she might have some kind of a chance. I don't rule her out. David, what do you think? Who knows?
Starting point is 00:30:04 If she wins, I will know nothing about politics, which is entirely possible, let's face it. You know, I think her victory was impressive. A, I think she was just a better campaigner. B, a lot of the other DSA candidates won really well. with college-educated, you know, University towns. She did well in the poorer areas. And so that's something, that's a little break for DSA. And I think it also shows that a lot of voters are moving on from Trump.
Starting point is 00:30:32 And they're thinking the economic issues are really beginning to eclipse their dislike of Donald Trump. And he's never going to be on the ballots, we hope, any time soon. And so I think the affordability, the insurance rates, the gas prices, the grocery prices, these are the big issues now. And DSA, whether you elect their policies or not, they're big policies. And the mainstream Democrats, by and large, have not matched those. One thing you admire about DSA is they don't back down from their positions. Like, last, a couple weeks ago, they commemorated Fidel Castro's 100th birthday.
Starting point is 00:31:05 If you've got a candidate in Florida and you're committing, commemorating Fidel Castro, you are being pretty out there with your political view. So I don't think she's bad. Well, just to be clear, she did not. celebrate the birthday of Fidel Castro. And this is the point I'm trying to make. Even though she joined DSA and, you know, you're talking about Angie Nixon.
Starting point is 00:31:26 Yes, Angie Nixon. Even though she joined DSA and she wanted their organizational help, keep in mind she was not endorsed by the DSA, the party organization. She wasn't endorsed by Congresswoman AOC, wasn't endorsed by Senator Bernie Sanders. She literally was out there by herself running against the Democratic establishment candidate,
Starting point is 00:31:46 and she won. Let's talk about South Carolina, too, another Republican race that we're tracking. There's the runoff election in a primary. South Carolina is where we find the president tonight. He is in Myrtle Beach. He is stumping for Darlene Graham. She's the sister of the late Lindsay Graham, running to replace her brother against Congressman Ralph Norman. David, we know Darlene Graham was appointed by the president to fill out her brother's term.
Starting point is 00:32:10 She had this disastrous debate in which she came right out and said, I'm not that informed on national security. Did President Trump get out ahead too soon and backing her in this? This I'm not sure about. Sometimes people don't like appointees. They just don't, some people just don't like, they got the seat for free. Like, that doesn't seem right, especially a nepotism family member. But a lot of people want the outsider.
Starting point is 00:32:34 And she ran, she's running kind of aggressively as the outsider. And if scholarly expertise were what voters were going for, we probably wouldn't have the crew we have now. And so I think voters should think, you know, being a senator requires a lot of expertise in public affairs. But I might be old-fashioned. They might be going forward. Let's shake it all up.
Starting point is 00:32:58 Jonathan, how are you looking at this? Look, I'm not going to grade Senator on a curb here. You are right to describe it as disastrous. Under normal circumstances, any candidate for Senate, any elected federal seat, whether Democrat or Republican were to give that answer, folks would be saying, you must get out of the race. And yet no one has said, that that I know of, has said that she should kindly step aside. But you know what?
Starting point is 00:33:28 The voters of South Carolina, they will make their choice. And to David's point, if that's what they want, she says she's not a politician. If that's what they want, then have it. Leave it up to the voters. I happen to go on my social feed, and Roger Mudd's interview with Ted Kennedy showed up. And if people remember this, he was running for president, and Roger Mudd said, why do you want to be president? And he sort of hesitated. It wasn't a terrible answer. But so that was the standard that ended your campaigns back then.
Starting point is 00:33:58 And now, I don't know who could say anything. Different rules you say. I'll also say your social feed is very different from my social feed. We can talk about that later. I want to turn to the international stage. A bunch of stories we've been covering this week and pull them all together. Because we've seen the president lash out at key allies across the planet in very different ways. He threatened to bomb Oman if they, in his words, got in the way of the U.S. talks with Iran.
Starting point is 00:34:22 He ordered the joint military drills with South Korea be scaled back. He criticized South Korea for not joining the war with Iran and praise the North Korean leader. And as we speak, as we sit here and now, the threat of 50 percent tariffs still looms over Canada. They say they're close to a deal. We haven't seen it yet. But, David, is the benefit extracted from the... these threats and this pressure, is that worth the damage to these alliances? I don't think so. Donald Trump reacts very strongly when he feels somebody's leaching off him, especially when it's a friend who he thinks is playing us for a sucker.
Starting point is 00:34:55 He thinks Europe has been doing that for decades. He thinks Canada has been doing it. He thinks Oman is doing it in these negotiations. The South Koreans aren't helping us with the Iran and opening the straits. And so he just and he lashes out of friends and he kisses up to foes, and partly that's because the kissing up to foes is partly about testosterone. He likes people who are tough, who he perceives are tough. And so he has this policy of perversity of destroying our alliances and kissing up to our, you know, the worst regime in the world, North Korea probably. And so does it help? He might get some benefit. He might pressure people a little, but this is not how any business or political relationship works in the world. I had a friend
Starting point is 00:35:40 was in government, I said, what do you learn when you're in government that you didn't know beforehand? He said, I used to think politics was 75% personality and relationships. Now I realize it's 98% personality in relationships. And so Donald Trump is not great at building international relationships. Jonathan? I'm sorry, when you were reading the, when you were saying the question to David, I was like, wait, what month are we in? Because this is Groundhog Day. Tariffs, sucking up to autocrats, who are traditionally America's foes, but his first, We've known this since the first Trump administration. So I have no idea why he's lashing out at our allies, cozing up to our traditional enemies.
Starting point is 00:36:23 Again, in a normal world, under normal circumstances, just one of those things, let's say tariffs against Canada, would have a lot of people in this town wondering what's going on with the president and then hauling people. up to the hill for hearings. Neither of those things is happening. Before I let you go, I need to ask you about sort of a strange saga around one of the president's closest allies and AIDS, a woman named Natalie Harp that's been playing out this week. She's consistently by his side everywhere he goes. She's one of the few people who controls his social media. And very few people knew her name until Georgia Senator John Osif named checked her at a rally. And then we saw the White House and all the president's supporters and right-wing media just erupt in defrapped in defrable. Her name is all over the headlines now.
Starting point is 00:37:12 Just today, The Daily Beast published some letters that she sent to President Trump via the biographer Michael Wolfe. And she said things like, you are all that matters to me. Thank you for being my guardian and my protector in this life. I will say this story could very easily veer into unproductive speculation here. But what are you taking away from all of these headlines, David? I thought Ashoff was wrong to raise it in the way he did because it was basically a sexual insinuation.
Starting point is 00:37:38 And I just don't think you should do that. I also, when I look at her letters, I think that's inappropriate workplace behavior. And so there's fault on both sides, as we would say. But, you know, I think first, I don't know what's in her mind or in her heart. Either she has a crush on the president or she understands the president and what he really likes to hear. Because she's laying it on thick and people in the Trump administration laying on sick. Just one final quick point. I've covered administrations for a while now.
Starting point is 00:38:05 And people in presidential White Houses have a tendency to have crushes on the president. because he's powerful, he's visionary, they're spending all their day serving him, and they talk about their president in ways that are really emotional. And when you get a president like Donald Trump, it's going to be times five. What makes this even more strange
Starting point is 00:38:25 is that the reason why Michael Wolf was able to get the letters is because folks within the administration found them, photocopied them, were sending them around to each other. So this is something that isn't just you know, salacious, well, it's salacious, but it's something that has been talked about
Starting point is 00:38:45 inside the administration. And leave aside whatever is going on with Natalie Harp and the president, whatever the relationship is. My biggest concern is something that came out from MS Now's Jake Traylor and Jackie Alamani, a story about how Natalie Harp did not have a security clearance for a year. That, to me, is the more important story here because if she is the human printer, as she's been called because she carries a printer
Starting point is 00:39:15 and prints out lots of news for the president to read, she's been with at his side all this time didn't have a security clearance, the papers that she's seen, the conversations that she's overheard, the national security implications of that alone should alarm everybody in Washington. And yet we're talking about other things. Jonathan Kepard, David Brooks. Always great to speak with you, Bo. Thank you so much. Thanks, I'm. The Trump administration this week proposed to open nearly 45 million acres of national forest land to roads and logging,
Starting point is 00:40:02 part of its broader push to boost timber production. The announcement comes as a year-long investigation reveals how California forests are already being managed to grow more timber using a controversial herbicide, being sprayed at record levels by timber companies and the U.S. forest service. The Center for Investigative Reporting's Nate Halverson has that story. Every year, Joe Van Meter welcomes thousands of tourists into the Lassen National Forest in California, where he and his wife run the Mill Creek Resort. Yeah, thank you guys.
Starting point is 00:40:35 Have a great day. They moved here in 2017 to escape the city and raise a family in what they call a slice of heaven. Yeah, it's a beautiful piece of property. We have about 12 acres here. But since purchasing the nearly 100-year-old woman, 100-year-old resort, Van Meter told us he's had to evacuate guests and staff twice to escape massive forest fires. And how close from right here did the fires get? Right there. Really to the edge of our property. It's a devastating thing to live through, and it's traumatic. And destructive.
Starting point is 00:41:10 So when Van Meter learned the U.S. Forest Service planned to replant trees in the burned out areas around his home, he was thrilled. Then he heard the agency's plans involved glyphosate. My initial reaction was, was, was, what is, what is that? He quickly discovered glyphosate is the key ingredient in Roundup, which has been at the center of lawsuits resulting in more than $12 billion in monetary judgments and settlements to thousands of people who claimed it made them sick. The World Health Organization's Cancer Agency has made it clear. It thinks glyphosate is a health risk. Back in 2015, it determined the herbicide was, quote, probably carcinogenic to humans. Last month, Bear, which bought glyphosate manufacturer
Starting point is 00:41:58 Monsanto in 2018, created a new company called Ruvian to focus solely on its glyphosate-based business. In a statement to the news hour, Rubian said it stands behind the safety of its glyphosate-based products which have been tested extensively, approved by regulators, and used around the globe for 50 years. The Forest Service considers it a valuable tool and has plans to spray glyphosate on about 10,000 acres in Lassa National Forest near Van Meter's home. It claims it will help accelerate reforestation efforts. What was your reaction when you saw that they were planning on using herbicides across the
Starting point is 00:42:38 land right around your community? that it seems like it's poison that they're putting into the woods. There's some real health concerns for children, for babies, right? I have a two-month-old. This is our backyard. This is where my children play. Lassad National Forest is hardly alone in turning to glyphosate. According to our analysis of more than 5 million pesticide reports,
Starting point is 00:43:01 Roundup and glyphosate products are being sprayed in record amounts across California's forests, quadrupling in the last two decades. The usage is especially widespread on private timber company land, and the evidence we discovered is plain to see. To my right, it's perfectly demarcated. You see where the herbicides have been sprayed. To my left, they haven't recently sprayed herbicides, so the bushes, the life is coming back among the pines. To justify its continuing use of glyphosate, the Forest Service commissioned an in-depth study 15 years ago. That study examined reports from around the world and concluded that the chemical was safe for the environment and people. But our investigation found that the
Starting point is 00:43:46 Forest Services Assessment relied heavily on studies that were manipulated by Monsanto to quietly shape the scientific record, according to company emails and depositions made public in litigation. I've been at Monsanto approximately 33 years. Dr. William Hidens was Monsanto's toxicologist and helped orchestrate a public campaign to promote glyphosate as safe. At this deposition in 2017, he was asked to read an old email, he wrote. The focus of this is what is the carcinogenic potential of glyphosate. Monso emails revealed that Haydons and others searched for outside scientists they could pay to, quote, get up and shout glyphosate as non-toxic,
Starting point is 00:44:31 and write seemingly independent studies that would be, quote, referenced and used to counterbalance the negative stuff. And you knew that it would be more powerful if it looked like it had been written by outside authors. Oh, that's not correct. Let's see what it says here. You say it was noted this would be more powerful if authored by non-Monsando scientists. Oh, yeah, I see that. So I sort of misunderstood your question.
Starting point is 00:45:00 In another company email, Haydons wrote that his team would quote, ghost write a study, by which he meant Monsanto would do the writing, and scientists would just edit and sign their names, so to speak. The same way he added, they handled a study called Williams, Crohn's and Monroe in 2000, which turned out to be one of the most influential pro-glyphosate reports at the time. It concluded, quote, there is no potential for roundup herbicide to pose a health risk to humans. That study was cited 20, times in that 15-year-old Forest Service assessment on the safety of glyphosate. And the agency continues to point to it, even though the journal that originally published the paper on glyphosate
Starting point is 00:45:44 retracted it last year due to, quote, serious ethical concerns and, quote, the failure to disclose the involvement of Montsanto. Hey, hey, how are you? Good. How are you doing? We reached out to the Forest Service and asked to learn more about their use of herbicides and met up with District Ranger Russell Nickerson. So I'm the decision maker for the district. He oversees the management of 500,000 acres of the Lassen National Forest, including the plan to spray glyphosate across 10,000 acres near Van Meter's home. Why use herbicides like glyphosate?
Starting point is 00:46:20 So reforestation efforts, brush really out competes small trees. It grows faster, gets taller than them, it starts to shade them out. Nickerson told us denser forests means the forest service will, one day have more timber to sell. And is it safe to use? I mean, really, if you want to talk more herbicide details, it's probably our Washington office that you would talk to on that. We showed him that our investigation had found that five of the top seven peer-reviewed
Starting point is 00:46:55 studies cited in the Forest Service's 15-year-old report about glyphosate had been orchestrated by Monsanto. So when this is what you're basing your decision off of, does that information give you pause. Some you'd have to talk about with our national office. We reached out to the chief of the Forest Service in Washington, D.C., but he declined our request for an interview. Meanwhile, the spraying of glyphosate continues. Some of the heaviest spraying in California has taken place near Yosemite Valley, Lassen Volcanic National Park, and the Lake Tahoe area, including here in the 75,000 acres affected by the 2,021 Caldor Fire.
Starting point is 00:47:36 Here I am in the Caldor fire scar. You can see that life is beginning to return. Even down here, you'll see that right next to each other, two baby conifers are coming back. But it didn't take long to find where glyphosate has already been deployed. All this behind me, this has been sprayed. This is what it looks like when they've sprayed herbicides, glyphosate. It's killed all of the living bushes from last year. Nearby Tahoe residents, including three-time Olympian Hannah Teeter, says she and
Starting point is 00:48:06 neighbors were given little say on the use of glyphosate in their backyards. There's no way we would ever approve this, especially because like, as you can see, this is some of the cleanest water in the world that flows all the way down in other communities who drink it. Yeah. These residents told us they feel like they're being exposed to a harmful chemical, and it's being forced on them by the forest service. Yeah, they're taking away the choice of being surrounded by a toxic chemical that's going
Starting point is 00:48:35 to be here for years. It's going to be on the ground where we hike, where we bike, where we camp. That's the same kind of concern that motivates Joe Van Meter. As the sprain goes on near his family home, he's determined to keep raising awareness to help his community push back. We need work to be done, and so I want to see that work done, but I want to see it done without the use of toxic chemicals. For the PBS News Hour and the Center for Investigative Reporting, I'm Nate Halverson in Mill Creek, California. Award-winning actor Purna Jagannathan has played everything from The Mom and Netflix's Never Have I Ever to the Mob Boss in Hulu's Deli Boys. She's now stepping into the superhero realm with the new series Lanterns.
Starting point is 00:49:29 For our latest PBS News podcast, Settle In, Jaganathan and I talked about Hollywood's ongoing struggle with diversity and representation. And our interview was recorded just days before news broke that Hulu was canceling Deli Boys after two seasons. Here's a clip from that conversation. I know you know all this because you track all this, but there is this like a Hollywood diversity report that comes out every year. UCLA puts it out. What the hell's happening with Hispanic representation? So this past year, that's right. The trends don't seem to be matching what's happening in the rest of the country, right?
Starting point is 00:50:04 And so this past year, and just looking across streaming services, which is where a lot of the investments and the new content is coming from, they actually found representation for women and people of color across the streaming platforms. down in 2025. And that included, by the way, that included K-pop demon hunters, which was incredibly diverse casting and team behind that. Lead actors of color in particular dropped 51% in 2024. That was an all-time high, down to 36% in 2025.
Starting point is 00:50:34 So from where you sit, do you see that happening in real time? Do you feel that? And why do you think it's happening? It's okay for it to happen now, you know? I think people I think it I think it's happening across the board they don't have to green light us
Starting point is 00:50:55 it's always a risk right like a never have I ever is an anomaly it did so well it was such a huge it was a crown jewel of Netflix yeah and it's it's always a risk you know and they were willing to take the risk
Starting point is 00:51:11 when I think there was pressure to take the risk and I don't think there's the foot is off that pedal You know, I see casting announcements every day. And sometimes I'm like, holy shit, it's all white. That's incredible. It's an incredible thing to suddenly see this. And it's such a shame because it adds so much richness into a story when you add diversity of any kind.
Starting point is 00:51:39 I actually always will track what's happening with the Latinx community in Hollywood. I think it's such a canary for us. And when you see those numbers go down, it's such a shame. It's, you know, it's, it's coming to everyone. And I, you know, I, every award show, I'll track how many people, how many of us get nominated. I'll track it. I'll clock it. How many people win?
Starting point is 00:52:08 And, you know, sometimes there is a dichotomy. It's, you know, some people will say, oh, our show is diverse, but it's a black and white. you know, dichotomy. There's the Hispanic and Asian, um, indigenous representation is really not there. So,
Starting point is 00:52:25 but I feel like they feel like they've done their job with that kind of, um, thing. But I do believe like, creators of color now have more power than ever. I know Mindy will always have diversity in her shows, you know, and,
Starting point is 00:52:38 and Abdullah Saeed, who created Deli Boys will always have diversity in his shows. So I don't think, but the, the number of people, as it is, we're so few, and then their projects are not getting greenlit as readily as they used to be. And you can watch that full episode of Settle In and more on our YouTube page or wherever you get your podcasts. Be sure to tune in to Washington Week with The Atlantic later tonight right here on PBS.
Starting point is 00:53:06 The panel will be discussing the Trump administration's mixed messages as the nation's debt reaches a record high. And be sure to watch Compass Points this weekend. Nick Schifrin and his panel look at America's depleted military arsenal and how adversaries like China and Russia could capitalize on this moment. On Horizons, meanwhile, William Brangham and his guests discuss the dues and don'ts of recycling as the world's trash continues to pile up. You can watch both horizons and compass points on our YouTube channel, wherever you get your podcast, and on your local PBS station. Check your local listings.
Starting point is 00:53:41 And that is the news hour for tonight. I'm Amna Nawaz. On behalf of the entire NewsHour team, thank you for joining us and have a great weekend.

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