Peak Prosperity - Tracy Thurman : The War on Food (and on the Amish, and Farmers)

Episode Date: June 22, 2024

We’re facing attacks on many fronts, but food has been on the main attack vectors on American health and well-being for a very long time.Click Here for Part 2

Stop eating processed food. It's poison, and it's becoming more poisonous. Get to know your food and your farmer. See if you can find a local supply. Be intentional about what you eat. Hello everyone, I'm Chris Martinson of Peak Prosperity. Today we're doing an Off the Cuff with a very special guest, Tracy Thurman. We're going to be talking about food, food freedom, the sad state of the American diet and what's going on with world food. But we have to connect this into the larger sweep of things. We know that farmers are under attack, right? Somehow, Irish farmers, cows are responsible for climate change.

We know that right now, as this is being recorded in mid-June of 2024, yet another farmer revolt is happening all over Europe. So European farmers are under attack, but that is happening in the United States. Not farmers, small farmers, not industrial agriculture. Nobody seems to care about the 500,000 metabolic deaths that happen because we have a very sick food system. So that's what we're going to be talking about today. We're going to connect it all back in with somebody who is on the front lines, a true warrior in this. Tracy, welcome to the program.

Thank you, Chris. It's so good to have you here. Now, we've been talking for hours already. Yes, we have. So let's just keep the conversation going. I wish we'd been recording the whole thing up to this point. So how do we start with this? I want to connect it into the large, but first, who are you working with right now and what kind of cases are you working on?

I work with the Barnes Law Firm with Robert Barnes. I work with the 1776 Law Center, which is our public interest arm, helping people with food freedom, medical freedom, political freedom and financial freedom, especially those who cannot afford legal recourse on their own. And I'm working primarily on defending our food supply and our right to acquire the food that we want for the people we want to grow it for. But within the legal system, which is a whole other bailiwick that we'll get into. But a couple of the cases that you're on, I know we've covered, I've covered on my program before. One is this atrocious case of a couple of gentlemen who are who went to prison got jailed 30 days because they had used some ultrasound on cows. Ethan Wentworth, the two owners of Noble Solutions, which provides animal repro services to predominantly Amish farmers in Pennsylvania. And they were sent to prison for essentially for ultrasanding cows and for refusing to turn over records, which we firmly believe they have a Fifth Amendment right to not turn over, and a court that has no right to send people to jail and has never written an arrest warrant in their life,

an administrative court sent them to prison for 30 days. They never saw the warrants against them. I mean, would this be like a family court sentencing me to prison or something? Something along those lines. And it was under civil contempt. And yet civil contempt does not allow you to be thrown in prison for 30 days. If you're going to be put in prison for civil contempt, you must have what's colloquially known as the keys to your own jail cell,

which is, hey, all you have to do is meet this one term and instantly you're out. There was no such thing. If you are sending someone to prison without them having the keys to their own jail cell in this manner, that is criminal contempt and it is not permitted under these circumstances. That is a massive violation of due process. And yet this was a Pennsylvania court run amok. And so how did this happen? Tell me what's going on here. What was this about? Hello, everybody. I just want to briefly interrupt this incredible interview with Tracy Thurman to let you know that there is for peak prosperity subscribers. There's a part two to this, which explains and goes into like, why are people going crazy like this? Like, like why have a war on food? Why have completely open borders? Why have trillion dollar deficits every hundred days? I think I have an explanation for this. And, um, it centers on the idea that we're in a really big pickle. We're in a set of nested predicaments at this point, and there's no way out. And so that drives some people crazy.

Unfortunately, a lot of those people are in positions of power and authority, and so instead of responding rationally to any of this stuff, they're busy just doing crazy stuff. And so you need to be prepared for that mentally, physically, financially. That's what we cover. That's what we do at Peak Pros for my subscribers I am a dot connector I'm a constant information scout so I'm always trying to figure out what's going on in the world and present it to you in a way is distilled so you can save time but mostly mostly so you can get towards actions because you need to start taking actions to be paralyzed in this moment in time

well it's kind of a decision of its own right so don't be paralyzed please move to action get prepared and i'll do my level best to do what i do which is make sense of it all as best we can but boy there's a lot of nonsense out there all right that's all i wanted to say now back to this incredible interview thanks well what's it really about? But I mean, come on, that that's insane. Like I've lost a lot of respect for the court systems, maybe not all of it, but I think here's one of my rules in life. If a group of people like police or certain religious groups, you know, like they're very insular and they say, we've got our own. We don't. We got it. We'll we'll self-police. Well, then you kind of got a self police right?

It's incumbent on the people in the court system I think to be talking about how when you have bad apples and it happens you got to weed them out real quick Well, otherwise you throw up the equivalent of the thin blue line and say oh no no no it's not for you to Disagree with us on this From the outside. It's starting to look really bad. Like we don't actually have a system of justice. We don't have decisions based on law being habit. We're having rulings now based on personal opinion

and politics and things like that. Is that fair or unfair? Well, a crucial underpinning of any functioning justice system is the faith of the people that the justice system is fair and impartial. And unfortunately, there are many actions happening right now. I don't even have to name them. I think we all know what some of these are on the national stage right now that deeply undercut our faith that we have a justice system that is fair and impartial. Yeah.

And unfortunately, some of these cases are working hard to undercut that further. All right. So in this particular case, so when I did a little piece on it, I was shocked by the particulars of it because they said that they had the complaint had been brought by a veterinary society, which seemed to me to be very obviously self-interested and just trying to make sure that more money went its way. They didn't want anybody encroaching on its turf. So this is a turf battle. But instead of just, you know, being better vets who have a better service and competing in the marketplace of ideas, they wanted to leverage the justice system to cut out their

competition. So it's just using the court system like like Tony Soprano used his captains. That's how I looked at it. I would say 90% of the veterinarians aren't that way. Most of them are fantastic people who work well with the farmers. They respect the farmers. But there are bad apples. And unless the bad apples are addressed, we have a problem. Were there bad apples in this case? One could certainly come to that conclusion. Yeah. Yeah.

So the particulars of the case got me because they said that they had used a device or method to diagnose a condition. A little vague. But that was using ultrasound, a little wand, that I could buy an ultrasound machine. Anyone can buy an ultrasound machine. Yeah. Right? Okay. Glad to have that confirmed.

And you can put it up against something and then they diagnosed a condition condition which is called is it pregnant or not? Right. All right. That would be like as if I use my eyes as a method to diagnose that a horse is lame. Would that get me in trouble? With this particular constellation of power? We appear to be running the risk that it could be. If this is the way the law is being interpreted, and I invite everyone, I mean, I'm a huge believer, do your own research. Go look at the Pennsylvania Veterinary Medical Act. I don't remember the exact name of it, but put those words in, you'll probably find it. Now, read past the beginning. The beginning lays out all these things that are considered veterinary medicine and practicing them without a license is an issue.

However, read to the bottom. At the bottom, it is explicit that farmers, their regular employees, and their agents are exempt from all the restrictions in this act. Now, you do not put in law there, you cannot put two things in every word must count, every word must matter. So you wouldn't put regular employee or agent next to each other unless they were two different things. I've spoken to Pennsylvania legislators and they tell me that, including ones who were part of drafting previous revisions of this act, and they tell me that historically, agent meant any third-party person that came to your farm at your request to provide services for you. Sounds reasonable. By Pennsylvania law, by my view and the interpretation of Robert Barnes, these men are doing exactly what they should be doing, which is providing services as an agent of the farmer.

But there are certain people in the Veterinary Medical Board that would like to see it on the line. All right. So perhaps not coincidentally, there's another case in Pennsylvania, the Amos Miller case. What's that case about? That's a that's a that's a deep question. So that is that is not a young case. That is a case with many twists and turns. It began around 2014. But I would argue it maybe began around 2012.

You see, around that time, a request was made that the government reveal all their case data on all cases of illness linked to raw milk. So that we could see because supposedly raw milk is this very very dangerous product. Okay let's see how dangerous it really is. And they weren't coming up with anything for listeria. Well that's odd because they've been telling us for decades now that listeria is a very dangerous pathogen found in raw milk and that this is one of the reasons you shouldn't drink it. Not too long after they have to turn over this data, suddenly they start, you know, this data that is embarrassing to them because there's a lack of listeria cases causing illness and death. Suddenly they do find apparently two listeria cases and they're linked to one. Two?

Two. Okay. One in California, one in Florida, and they're linked to one two two okay one in california one in florida and they're both apparently linked to amos miller amos miller this amish farmer from pennsylvania who ships food around the country to customers who join his uh private buying club and who buy the food from him knowing exactly how he makes it because they want it made exactly that way. Now, would he ship raw milk out of state at that time? Correct. Okay.

All right. So two cases they think they found. Two cases. And if you look up Amos Miller, you will find this all over the news since that time that he caused a listeria illness and a listeria death. The CDC had a press release about it. And in fact, there was an email found that the CDC had sent out. I believe David Gumpert covered this on his blog at the time, where after the

press release was sent out, another CDC agent emailed back and said, a thing of beauty is a joy forever. This was not a non-emotional case for some of these agents. So they don't like raw milk? It does seem that way. It does seem. they don't like raw milk is that it does seem that way it does seem what is it about raw milk so so here's my new rule if the fda is against something it means it's probably good for me and i'm not kidding that that's not i'm actually being serious at this point in time like this is actually a new rule of mine when they say oh no no ivermectin. This is terrible stuff. I'm like, well, that's how I know it's awesome.

Right. They still don't recommend vitamin D. The not enough data for or against vitamin D. I'm like, are you crazy? It's amazing. Yeah. It's kind of funny because Nielsen did a study after the Operation Bird Flu commenced at the end of March. And on have raw milk sales gone up or down.

And they found raw milk sales are up significantly. I was talking to an attorney who works in the space, and he told me, you know, I think the only thing they can do to bring raw milk sales down is for the FDA to declare raw milk safe and effective and put out an advisory, we should all be drinking it. Yes, I agree. If they want to bring down raw milk sales, do that, guys. Yeah, yeah, tell me I should, and then I'll have to reconsider. So these two Listeria cases

have been used to tar and feather Miller's Organic Farm for a decade now. Well, in the last year, it has been uncovered that both of them, there is very strong evidence that both of these cases are not the result of Amos Miller's milk. The one in California has been linked via its genomic signature to a pasteurized soft cheese outbreak in California. The one in Florida was a woman. The story is that there was a woman who died from listeria after consuming Amos Miller's raw milk. That sounds bad. It does. It sounds terrible. It sounds terrible terrible why would anyone ever want to buy milk from a farm that has killed someone with listeria well on digging in some of our detectives discovered that first of all

there's an affidavit from the caregiver a member of this woman's extended family saying the woman who died never consumed the raw milk or she she's almost certain the woman never consumed the raw milk. It was in the house. Other family members were consuming it. Two, she was in the very late stages of lymphoma and was eating almost nothing other than a small amount of dry toast, I believe it was. Okay, so there's already room for a lot of reasonable doubt. Lymphoma is not a high survival kind of a condition usually.

No, it's not. My mother died of it. DLBCL lymphoma is what this woman had, and that is a very deadly disease. So we're already well into reasonable doubt territory here, but it gets better. On digging further, we discovered that the Listeria sample from this woman was taken months before anyone in her family purchased any product at all from Amos Miller. Not only that, she lived in a different state at the time than her family members who ever bought Amos Miller's product. That would be like a shooting happening. Let's say you here were arrested for a shooting here in Massachusetts, Chris, for a shooting that happened in Colorado when we know for a fact you were in Massachusetts.

I mean, I've heard of magic bullet theories before, but this is a special one. And we seem to have a lot of magic bullet theories in the raw milk world. Okay. So, but what is happening here? I mean, this is just like, I know courts can be a little maybe not what we thought. It's not like we watch on TV, CSI, data, hair, carpet fiber, we got it, logic. We understand that, okay, it's a little bit like sausage, but this is really egregious. There's no, is there no duty of care to make sure that the chain of custody, the chain of evidence, that the logic chain even remotely stretches out and makes sense? I find it deeply concerning. And again, the only way our court system and our agencies work is if the public believes in them, and public trust is being broken in a very serious way right now. I want to widen out a second. So raw milk. Why is raw milk important

to you? Well, my journey with raw milk began a couple years ago. When I was 20 years old, I took the Gardasil vaccine. My doctor told me, there's this vaccine, you need to take it, it'll prevent you from getting cancer. That's all I was told. Sounds all right. Doctors always know what they're doing. Vaccines are safe and effective. I don't want cancer.

Is that where you were at that time in your life? That's exactly where I was. It didn't occur to me for a moment, not a moment, that a doctor would ever not know what they were talking about. And it didn't occur to me for a moment that vaccines could ever be dangerous. And so I took it, I took the three doses over six months. And during those six months, my health was decimated. I went from a functioning 20 year old with a full-time job, moving up the career ladder to totally and completely disabled, unable to maintain, unable to maintain blood pressure at all if I was upright, and my heart would stop within three to ten minutes of standing up. I would go asystolic.

Stop. Your heart would stop. Correct. Stop beating. Correct. The only way it would restart was if I fell on the floor and got flat, and the blood would flow back to my heart, and as long as it happened fast enough, my heart would restart. I was told I could not go on subways.

I could not go to large events. I could not go anywhere where I was unable to sit down and where should I stand up and my heart stop, I would not fall flat on the floor. Now, how long before you connected dot A to dot B? You said, hey, this might be a vaccine injury. Where did you go from full trust to questions? It took me embarrassingly long. When the first paper came out showing that there were a significant number of young women who developed this particular condition, postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome, after the vaccine, someone sent it to me. And I read it. And bottom of my world dropped out.

Because suddenly, the temporal correlation was perfect here for me and healthy not healthy healthy not healthy and with a progressive decrease in health with each of the three doses uh and the people you know who are around me at that time can you know absolutely corroborate that and the bottom of my world dropped out because i finally i now had an explanation but it was an explanation i couldn't at this point do anything about. At this point, I was past the three-year mark, which are, you know, for those who don't, many people apparently don't know this. What is the three-year mark? So at the three-year mark, your statute of limitations has expired for being able to get restitution for the injury. Really? My understanding.

And now, Chris, if you sell me a product that injures me, what can I do? I can sue you. Yeah. The 1986 Childhood Vaccine Act was put in place because vaccine manufacturers, to my understanding, told the government, look, we are being sued into oblivion. It is no longer profitable for us to manufacture and give vaccines because we are losing so much money to vaccine injury lawsuits. We're going to have to stop making vaccines. Now, I'm a bit of a radical who believes that free markets sometimes give signals. Yes.

To me would be a signal that maybe possibly the the rate, the danger of your product, maybe send you be getting a market signal that there's a problem here. Instead, the government's response was to pass the 1986 Act, which provided that any vaccine that was on the childhood schedule of vaccines, the manufacturer could no longer be sued directly. You could take it to a governmental administrative court that turned out to not be particularly favorable to people who had suffered injury. You had a very limited time to do it, and the payout would come from a government fund, not from the manufacturers. Now, this created what I would call a moral hazard, because you've now got industry people that they don't bear the they bear the financial benefit of their product, but they don't bear the financial I'm aware of, you have to fight, you fight, they fight hard, they fight back and then insultingly to go through a torturous process to just get a literally insulting amount of money out of it. And in my view, this was also done to remove them from the right to a jury trial

because a jury of their peers seeing their injuries were rewarding them significantly large sums of money at a significantly higher rate than these government courts have been. Well, I mean, if we just sued for defamation, we could obviously get a lot more money out of the situation, riffing off of those cases you sort of alluded to there. But OK, so so. But this is the story, the pattern that's emerging is, well, it's just fascism as far as I'm concerned, which is the merger of corporation and state. That's a that's a perfectly fascistic thing you've just described. The corporation goes to the government for shielding and liability, and then the government runs the shielding and liability back on the other way. And the odd man out or odd woman out is you or me or the person.

That's fascism, right? So why are all these people going on about how we have to fight fascist? And there's anti-fascist and there's, and they, everybody said Trump was like some fascist. And, and so there's all this projection. It just,

it just reads fully like projection. Hey, we're such fascists. We're going to warn you about fascist. You know what? This is like, you know what that is? That's being in an abusive relationship.

This is full gaslighting. Sorry to go off on a rant, but that's what it is. It's true. I mean, I believe it's Viva Frye who does a lot of podcast work with Robert Barnes. He calls it confession through projection. Yes.

Yeah. What you project, what some of these people project, you can learn what they are actually doing by what they accuse others of doing. And so, yeah, in this case, I suffered this vaccine injury and I saw nothing was really helping. I mean, my health improved slowly a little bit. Did your doctor ever say maybe you had a vaccine injury? Did they ever come to that confession on their own? I don't want to get my doctors into hot water because I know for some of them, they don't want to admit when they think it might be a vaccine-related situation.

However, there was very good reason to believe at this point. And it was not just far from being just me that thought that this was, this was vaccine related. Well, were they helpful? Were the doctors you had, were they helpful in trying to navigate the symptoms and all of that? Symptoms, yes. Because I think.

But without a ton of success. Well, I mean, success often comes from having to diagnose correctly what the issue is. Correct. It's very hard to give treatments to symptoms if you don't have the underlying diagnosis. The most help I had was from a chiropractor nutritionist. That's where I got the most help by far. Okay. What did they say? Their recommendation was change your diet. Your diet. Food as medicine. Food as medicine. Interesting. And I got a recommendation from them and from one other person to try this incredibly dangerous, dangerous, dangerous product. And that product was raw milk. Oh, you must have been desperate. I was. I was utterly skeptical. I bought, I completely bought the raw milk is dangerous narrative. I bought the all milk is bad narrative and that you should not be consuming it under any, you know, really, you should not be consuming it. And that milk is pro-inflammatory and that raw milk is, you know, I mean, you might as well just

go eat uranium. So uranium is slow kill, right? Yeah. And but I was desperate if you'd told me to chop off half of my one of my legs and that it would make me better i would have considered it i wanted i wanted health so badly and so fully expecting to become you know very violently ill i decided to try desperate moments called for desperate measures so well then what happened i didn't get sick about How about that? Instead, my health began to improve. Slowly but surely, my health began to improve. And what did you notice? Like, what improved first? My blood pressure started to go up.

My eczema disappeared. How bad was your blood pressure? It would run around 80 over 35. 35? No wonder you couldn't be upright. They would always be retaking it in the doctor's office because there was something wrong with their machine, and I would have to gently tell them that the machine wasn't the problem here.

Yeah. They're like releasing the cuff on your arm, like, shh, shh, shh, waiting for that little wiggle. Oy. So, 35, how did you even operate? I can't even imagine. I didn't. I was not in good shape.

All right, so you run on some flat tires. God't even imagine. I didn't. I was not in good shape. All right. So you run on some flat tires. God bless that man. Took very good care of me during some very tough years. All right. So you start taking the raw milk. And what was a theory presented at that time? Like, here's the hypothesis. Here's why. was dealing with was neurological injury and that a microbiome reset plus a significant supply of healthy cholesterol could lead to a healing of my neurological system and i was 100 cynical and skeptical on this of course yeah did you have any data that suggested that maybe you had a demyelination or any small fiber neuropathy. I was diagnosed with small fiber neuropathy. Okay. Cause yeah.

All right. So you start taking the raw milk, but this must be, this must be the confusing part to be an actual allopathic doctor who refuses to like turn towards the actual data. Did they at some point say, what are you doing? Like,

cause they must've noticed like the change, like were they confused at some point? My health started to improve and my doctor would ask me what I was doing and I would tell them with trepidation that I you know I cut sugar I'm trying to eat more healthy oh really so what are you doing to eat more healthy well I'm eating a raw raw milk what and it was like it caused a brain glitch. They couldn't process this. I had one doctor who was not from the U.S., who'd grown up in a Hispanic country, who did not seem to experience a brain glitch in response to that. But most of them couldn't process that piece of information.

Just didn't have a landing spot for that? Just that bird, there was no trees to land on? No. No. Alright. But still, they must have been confused because, you know, you're getting better. Right. And it's hard to raise your blood pressure by sheer force of will. It's hard to stop asystole, you know, when your heart stops

when you stand up by sheer force of will. Yeah, a couple Sufi masters maybe, but that's it. No, I mean, those typically aren't psychosomatic symptoms. Typically not. All right. So you have this experience with raw milk and it begins your healing journey. When was that in this timeline? I started to heal. It was, it was slow, but it was after COVID had begun. Okay. After COVID had begun. And so at the very time that I am discovering this total revelation that raw milk is helping me, I'm watching the largest vaccine campaign in human history get rolled out. Yes. And I'm watching POTS, postural orthostatic tachycardia

system being diagnosed in many people, some who had COVID, but some who had the vaccine too. Sure. Did you ever talk with like Kyle Warner or have you talked with any of these people? I have not. Bree Dresden? No. No.

This is my first time really coming out of the privacy closet on this stuff. Oh, well, thank you. I appreciate that because it's, no, it's such an important story though. People need to know. And I mean, how many people, just to back up, would you, how many people are suspected of being injured by Gardasil at this point, would you guess? My understanding is that in the VAERS vaccine adverse event reaction. Which is a way under reporting.

It's a fraction of some, whatever the total is. I believe it was a Harvard study that found that between one and 10 percent of all vaccine injuries ever land up in the very closer to one. I heard. But yes, it's very generous here. Yes. Very generous. OK. And so. Before the covid vaccines, the vaccine with the highest rate of adverse events recorded in that system was the Gardasil vaccine. So there are a significant number, especially of young women, although it's now given to young men, but there's a significant number of people who have these injuries. And so I was watching the rate of this diagnosis go through the roof at the very time that I discovered something that was helping me.

And then I discovered something devastating, Chris. That was when I learned that the very thing that was helping me, the raw milk, was being taken. That the government, the same government that was encouraging, and encouragement is kind of a euphemism, but was encouraging people to take these vaccines. Coercion is encouragement. Yeah. Coercion, encouragement. Yeah.

Same, same, same. But these same folks were working overtime. The FDA, it's the same governing body. The same governing body is taking away the thing that allowed me to heal from the injury from one of the products they approved. And that's when you put it that way. Manning like so if I'm how can I take it from their side and say okay here's how it makes sense so you know vaccines I believe are fully helpful and they're really good and there is no such thing as a bad vaccine couple of eggs get broken but we have to make omelets here so on balance this is a public health benefit I mean somehow these people have to go to bed and go to sleep at night so I'm struggling with that but I'm saddled with being a good person and so I don't actually understand how they operate um are you starting to notice that there's kind of it's almost like there's that's what kovat did

for me it revealed camps right yes it it revealed all the intellectual frauds all the moral cowards they just got burned out and just this morning i was you know on twitter um slamming on some doctor who's still trying to defend ventilating and remdesivir. You weren't there at the time. You don't know. I'm like, no, I totally was there at the time. We totally knew. You can't give me that.

We didn't know thing. Right. So but they're trying to defend their what they did because the alternative is to face up to what they did. And I don't think I don't think this particular doctor I was banging on has that capability. I think they are in a camp that they will be in for the rest of their life. And I would never trust them to be a doctor because they've got a myopic worldview and they are resistant to data and they can't connect events with causes. And then they pontificate and moralize and all of that and try and shame people into compliance with their worldview and it's just it's gross so yes i'm starting to bifurcate people into two camps

what are you doing well the good news now and you know we were talking about this earlier i asked you how what percentage of people do you think in this country care about our our food supply and food freedom and our right to purchase food directly? And what did you tell me? One to three percent, maybe some single digits. And that's what most people guess. There's some really good news, Chris. Oh, yeah.

I love good news. Barnes Law and the 1776 Law Center funded a poll done by Big Data Polling. It was a national poll, statistically representative samples. And we asked the question, do you believe you should be able to buy food directly from a farmer without that farmer getting permission from the government to sell it to you? Well, yes. That's a yes from me. Huge support. I believe it was, I may be off on a couple of percentage points, but I believe it was about 58% of Americans said they strongly agreed with that statement. Only 2% strongly disagreed. That is a huge intensity gap between strongly agrees, strongly disagrees. If you look at issues like abortion, very strong

opinions on it, but they're much more closely divided between the strongly for, strongly against. Here, it's a wide intensity gap. If you include the people who agree, not just strongly agreed, we're way above 50%. And if you include the strongly disagrees and the just disagrees, you're still at only 10%. The vast majority of us support this issue. We are just being lied to and gaslit that we're alone. We all know there's a problem with our food supply. We all know it. Well, how many people do you think know, Tracy, that their food is killing them, is harming them?

I think most people know there is a problem, but they have a hard time putting their finger on exactly where the problem is coming from. But you've seen it as well, right? People go, hey, look at this beach from the 70s. Notice anything? Like, yeah, there's no fatties, right? It's just everybody's, like, what's happening here? And we have an obesity epidemic, and we have these metabolic disease syndrome things,

and we've got type 2 diabetes, and we've got heart disease and all this stuff, and people are dying. And our life expectancy sucks the worst of any developed nation. We spend twice as much on health care. So the whole thing, people now know. I think people know this.

Like, we are in a, not just a broken system, but an abusive system. And I think everybody knows that. But we don't know what to do about it. Right. So you decided you wanted to do something about this, I guess. I did. I had to do something about this. I was given back the gift of health and it wasn't for

no reason. So it was time for me to step up and learn about this and, and figure out what I could do because if so many more people are experiencing the same debilitating condition that I, that I had, I mean, I'm still not super like perfectly healthy. I'm still not back at baseline, but I'm a farsight better than I had been. So if I finally found a lifeline at the same time that a whole new group of people have been pushed into the freezing seawater, why wouldn't I want to quickly figure out a way to throw them lifelines too? And so I started going down the rabbit hole to find out what is going on with our food supply. Is there a plan? Is this all accidental? Did this just happen by accident? If it didn't happen by accident, what's going on and who's behind it?

And so I spent about a year digging into this, digging very deeply. And I've just published, I'm in the process of publishing an article series, seven articles long, with Brownstone Institute on this topic where I dig very deeply into what is happening with our food supply. And when I discuss this, I usually take this back and let people know, look, we all know there's a problem. What we're missing is the who and the when, the why and where this is going. But we all do know, as the data shows, that there is a problem. In 1951, Bertrand Russell published a book called The Impact of Science on Society. And this book is one where he's looking toward the future and making predictions. Now, Bertrand Russell was the man you want to look to for predictions. He's a mathematician.

He's a philosopher. He's a, I believe he's a Nobel laureate. And he was also a eugenicist, and injunctions will combine from a very early age to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that authorities consider desirable. And any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible. Even if all are miserable, all will believe themselves to be happy because the government will tell them that they are. Diet, injunctions, injections. Correct.

I don't know what that sounds like to you, but that sounds a lot like the post-2020 world to me. Yeah. And I'm sure at the time this was published, this sounded outlandish to your average person in 1951 or just post-World War I, we're in the boom of the American family and the American society. at the time this was published. This sounded outlandish to your average person in 1951, or just post-World War I, we're in the boom of the American family and the American society. That did not match the society we had then, but it doesn't match the society that we have now.

And we all know about injections and injunctions. I'm sure many people who are watching this, they themselves or people close to them experience the boot of injections and injunctions on their face. Perhaps you lost your job because you didn't take the vaccine. Perhaps your mom died in the hospital because she did not because, you know, there were injunctions against her getting the safe and effective treatment that you and your family did want her to get. Maybe she was, you know, took remdesivir and they gave her 10 doses when we know nine is pretty toxic to your kidneys. Maybe your business was destroyed because you were closed by the lockdowns. Maybe you were a doctor that got fired because you wanted to give your patient the care that you that you owed them under the Hippocratic oath. Whatever it is, most of us now know what the boot of injections and injunctions means but diet now

needs to come into focus because that is the third leg of this very well this is all this is so tyrannical i mean i saw a tweet that captured it better i'm going to paraphrase it badly but kind of like the moment the big no should have come when they said no your loved one's going to have to die all alone if you're lucky we'll fac'll FaceTime, right? Because we're so busy. And we're working on our latest music video over here, you know, or whatever they were doing. Like this, like that should have been the hard no right there. So this is medical tyranny.

Like when did hospitals suddenly, where I scanned and re-scanned the constitution, I can't find, Tracy, the moment where hospitals are granted the right to deprive you of connection and contact or to decide your own treatment. Well, Chris, that's because it's not in there. But we don't live in a legal system that operates like physics. We live in a legal system that operates from power. Power. OK, so this is why we're doing what we're doing, because this is there's the court and then there's court, as Robert Barnes says, says there's the court of public opinion so we got to get the court of public opinion out there i mean

to me one of the best things i've seen tracy this was my like feel good moment of last week was watching a irish politician get berated as they walk down the street these people need to be suffer the social consequences of being complete cads and i'm being polite but that's because this might go on youtube right so um but i would have more colorful language these people are awful human beings and they need to know that they need to be ostracized shamed because what they're doing is absolutely not okay somebody who specifically harms children so they can sell them more products is a demon they are evil i'm going to use you know judgment terms but they are i can't see it

any other way now. So this is the wake-up call. People need to know this. That is the system we live in. There are people out there who will harm you for money. Without a second thought. That is true. And this isn't an issue for the United States only.

This is global. Sri Lanka, many people may remember seeing footage of hordes of Sri Lankans invading the presidential palace and overthrowing their government. Do you know why that happened? You probably do. I'm sure some folks, you know, we're working every day, don't know. Could it be fertilizer? Exactly. So, yeah, spell that out for people.

Their WEF, World Economic Forum stooge of a prime minister, declared that all farms must go organic overnight. It coincided with a convenient shortage of diesel. And anyone who's gone organic, you and I are both huge proponents of truly regenerative, chemical-free farming, are we not? Absolutely. However, we can also both tell you, you can't do that overnight. It requires planning, and you cannot make a country do that overnight what's that's a recipe for chris it's a recipe for famine and so you took a country an island nation they can't walk across the border and get food and you cut off always do this on

islands right first balan cyprus island right right what happened in australia with the medical tyranny it's always islands that islands. That's a tell. The first, the 2019 lockdown test, island. Forget the name of the island in this moment, but I'm sure folks can go find that. It was an island out in the Pacific somewhere where they did, I believe it was either measles or polio lockdown. I think it was measles. I think it was a measles lockdown. Yes.

They always test these things on islands. And by the way, they didn't have measles until they brought the new measles vaccine in. And then it's like, oh, they had a measles outbreak it's a crazy thing crazy crazy coincidence yeah temporal conditions again every time you hear there's a measles outbreak ask if it was vaccine strain or wild strain measles oh is that a sensitive question see if you can find the data but it's data that you might that you should question if it's hard to find of course of course this is my i call this the the cop shooting video right if it's a good shoot dude we're gonna see that in less than a day right and you're like yeah good shoot that

makes sense bad shoot oh it's very hard to get that date out so so i've been watching this i've been tracking i'm really thankful actually that it seems like for whatever reason we can talk about vaccines again there was a period of time instant strike you know shadow banning all that other stuff and they got more sophisticated when they did strikes i actually got stronger because i was able to say look they struck it now we just get the shadow ban but even that i can tell is lifted a bit which is good but they just did this uh study where they found wow there's 110 000 children in scotland with long covid right and then they write this whole article in the guardian and they don't even mention the elephant in the room which is like can we just run a two-column spreadsheet how many of

these kids had vaccines are we misattributing long covid to a vaccine injury so it's very simple easy two columns that's it's not even really hard. They have the data. The fact that we don't have that data is the case of the dog that did not bark. Because if it was favorable to their case and it turned out more unvaccinated kids had this long COVID, we would be hearing about a 24-7, 365 CNN over and over again. It'd be repeated, shouted from the rooftops. We would know about it, but it's a bad shoot. So that video is in the vault like as it were in this metaphor so that's that's the world

we live in so I know as much in the story about what I hear and what I don't hear you have to learn to decode these things so when they don't talk about something correct yeah that's your tell and again I am I will tell everyone I am not antivaccine. I am opposed to vaccines that have not been tested in a double-blind, placebo-controlled trial where the placebo is saline and only saline. Ah, thank you for that. Yes. Gardasil is not that. Gardasil was a vaccine, and I only learned this last week. Gardasil is a vaccine where they used a special potentized aluminum adjuvant that is more potent than other adjuvants. Now, why are there deodorants that are aluminum free? Well, that's because people know that aluminum isn't good for you.

Aluminum is not good for you. It is a neurotoxin, and it can cause autoimmune disease. In the Gardasil vaccine, they use a highly potentized aluminum adjuvant. Now, what did they put in the, what was the placebo? The placebo was saline, but it wasn't just saline.

It contained the same adjuvant. And from my recollection in the study I just read, in the vaccine group and in the placebo group, 2.8% of the young women given the vaccine in the trial developed signs of a new autoimmune disease. 2.8%. That's awful. They, of course, argue, well, it was 2.8% and eat both groups. Therefore, it's in the noise. Therefore, it's not from the vaccine. Pay no mind to the vaccine adjuvant behind the curtain. Or that we don't have a baseline rate of 2.8% of people out there who are not getting any sort of treatment whatsoever who are coming up with autoimmune diseases in that timeframe.

Correct. Right. That's just, it's way outside of the normal band. So look, everybody knows that everybody knows now that that's not how you run a trial. We saw this all the time in COVID too. It's like, oh, we want molnupiravir. So we're going to give it within 48 hours symptom onset and we're going to love to blah, blah, blah. But then ivermectin, you know, we gave it to people on ventilators. You'd never give an antiviral after the virus has gone through its replication stage and you're just in your cytokine storm space. Right. So they everything they could do to make it hard to prove and even with that this is what i love they tried so hard tracy to make ivermectin not work and it just kept coming up positive you know even with it they're like well

it was only slightly significantly better i'm like that's even with the stack deck that stuff is awesome my mom always told me studies show what the person doing the study would like it to show and she would say it as a joke but there's truth in it so it tells you something when no matter when even when you're rigging a study to show the worst possible outcome it's not coming out as awful as you'd like it to be so in that projection confession by projection they're like oh are you anti-science i'm like yes i am now because our science turns out to be completely junk it's fraudulent it's fraudulent was it wiley just said they had to science with small s the true scientific method i am i i have deep skepticism of scientism well but but i would go with you but i'm gonna have to

like we have this thing called a replication crisis in science right now and it turns out that 50 of papers you can't even begin to reproduce them. But so Wiley just had to retract 11,000 science papers because they were all fraudulent. And many of them they found because they just put them through the AI program now. Then they find out they had cut and paste Western blot gels. And, you know, it was just all fraud. One of the biggest cases of this would be that there was a very famous seminal paper in Cell that linked beta amyloid accumulations with Alzheimer's. Billions of dollars dedicated chasing that down. They turned out with somebody finally looked at it and said, oh, man, dude, total cut and paste. Yes.

Like this was fraud. Bad photoshopping. Not even good photoshopping. It was awful, right? Right. But that's it. So when they say, oh, you're anti-s do your anti science I'm like well I'm anti that kind of science and there's a little too much of that right and so that's what I've

learned I've learned that a whole lot in fact almost all of pharma and I'm connecting I don't want to just beat make this about pharma cuz I know we're talking food but the related events to me because I now know that a lot of the pharma business model which I'm sure the spreadsheets and CFO offices and pharma, they know that if they can get certain interventions in, like maybe the hepatitis B vaccine into a neonate who doesn't even have a functioning immune system, like welcome to the world. Like you're just starting to like figure out how your B cells and T cells ought to organize stuff. Here's here's some aluminum that they know that if they do that, they're going to sell a lot of eczema cream and asthma inhalers. And there'll be otitis media, antibiotics that have to be given, maybe stents. On and on and on and on.

Like, that's the game. That's the game. That there are people who will hurt us for money is the game. But we know that in our mass statistics, right? United States, life expectancy mass statistics, right? United States, life expectancy, payments, right? We pay more and get worse outcomes. How is this not just like... Well, I can say that for my own life. The worst thing ever.

I'm not going to tell you how many prescription drugs I was on then, and I'm not going to tell you how many I'm on now, but I can tell you there is a massive, massive decrease, which is a massive massive decrease which is a massive profit decrease for somebody somewhere yeah and what am i on instead i'm on raw milk yeah evie's in her own cycle of getting off of all these things that again full faith under you know doctors said this is you know you're never even questioning it right just like oh here's some things you know and we'll do this and we're going to give you this now we have to give you this to manage the symptoms that came from that. And next thing you know, take one away. No, one more, one more. Right. But of course, that's the

incentive. You show me the incentive. I'll show you the outcome. And it's very hard to convince a man of something when his livelihood depends on him not understanding it. Yeah. So I feel like that is the case with many people in the pharmaceutical industry. Right. So what do you do your own research? Yes. Yes, I actually do. I've spent a year researching this topic because I wanted to know what is going on? Why is it happening? How long has it been happening? Who is causing it and what is the agenda? Okay. So food, it just seems it's, it's almost the same story as pharma, isn't it? Yes.

And I will tell you this now. I'm sure there are people in this country that care deeply about medical freedom, but haven't thought about the food issue. And I'm telling you now, if you want your medical freedom, you need to protect food freedom now. Because the purpose at this point is to get your medications into you through the food supply what you take in again the the goal here is to get substances into you through your food that they cannot get into your body in other ways what you take in through your digestive tract can be just as dangerous as what you take into your body through a needle you have to reject diet injections and injunctions. You have to reject all three of those. And this may sound a little crazy to some people. Again, I think all of us

know there's a problem, but we've got to drill into where this problem lies. So there are all sorts of products currently in development to take us away from real food to food-adjacent substances. And one of these products is by Onica Biosciences, and it's a bacterial barcode spore that can be sprayed on crops in the fields. And they advertise that it cannot be removed by washing, steaming, grilling, frying, microwaving, or any other means, boiling. Well, if it can't be removed by those, and the theory behind this is this allows track and trace, right? So that if there's an outbreak and somebody gets sick from a food product,

you can tell what it is that caused it and you can tell what field it came from. That sounds fantastic. What doesn't sound so fantastic to me is that this is already on your food and you don't know about it. Do you know you're eating, if you're eating food from the grocery store, you may already be eating these DNA-barcoded, genetically modified biospores. Coded with a peel. Yes, yes, yes. Which is safe and effective, I promise you.

I promise. And if they aren't going to be destroyed by any of those processes, they're also not going to be destroyed in your gut. They will follow you to the sewer. Why does that matter? Well, sewer surveillance. That sounds crazy, but most of us know from COVID that they are surveilling the sewer systems in this country. Go to the CDC site. Go to my articles on Brownstone as they come out in the next few weeks there will

be a link to where you can find the data on the sewage surveillance they're already doing it for operation bird flu and the CDC is surveilling what is found in wastewater they use these to justify the lockdowns they use these to just justify take telling prisoners sorry no family can visit you because we have found too much of the virus in the sewage system. And this will allow tests of sewage to confirm what the population is eating and where it is from. Now, I can tell you that the USDA and the FDA are obsessed with tracking, tracing, and what they call, you know, food biosecurity. They want to know exactly who is eating what and where it came from. And so by using this, I'm not saying they're running these tests now, but no grid is turned on before it's built.

You have to build the surveillance grid first. And this will allow tests of sewage to tell what people are eating. Now, what if I don't find those spores in your sewage? What that tells me is that you, and let's say... I'm a food terrorist. Let's say five years from now, we're in a situation where because we need to do track and trace on outbreaks, everybody is mandated to use these spores. If we don't find that, we now know that you are eating foods that are from outside that system. and if it sounds crazy to think of that level of track and tracing uh being required of the food supply go go look at thomas massey's work right recently to try to defeat the uh the federal

rulemaking that is mandating these rfed id tags on cattle where they want to track and trace the cattle across state lines of course i don't know if we've mentioned this before but these uh if you have if you're cargill and you have you know a herd of 10 000 uh one one year tag required for all 10 000 you're a small farmer where your cows are going to go get processed one at a time and they're going to cross state lines to do it one year tag per cow that's a massive cost difference per animal for the larger versus the small farm for the one who's part of the vertically integrated corporate system versus the small independent rancher. And what you're asking, you probably ask, why are they crossing state lines to get their cows slaughtered? Well,

most of the small independent slaughterhouses have been closed down over the last decade or so by the USDA. And what's left is a few mega slaughterhouses, which are, you know, go look at Joel Salatin's work and writing on this. But the inspectors and the big ones are looking at one chicken every two seconds. In the tiny slaughterhouse, it might take 30 seconds per chicken. It's basic, basic human math that you will have much, if you're spending more time looking at it, greater chance of finding a problem. And so many of these inspectors also only want to work in the big ones where they've got their own private rec room, their king of the hill, versus a tiny little, you know, bywater slaughterhouse. So there are unfortunately

incentives to want to shut these down beyond, on just a human nature level, let alone the corporate ag lobbying revolving door at the top of the federal agencies level desire to shut these down. So because of this, there are very few slaughterhouses left. And these farmers are having to cross state lines with their cows. They're having to book slaughter appointments up to 14 months in advance. Well, I know this personally. Yeah.

And you have to book the slaughter your animal before your animal is even born. And if you lose that slot because something happened to that slaughterhouse, that's going to be a big problem. Well, you know, this past couple years, Tracy, I've learned something very disturbing, which is that chickens are highly flammable. I've had chickens for years. I did not know this, but apparently in cow barns and chicken facilities and also even just food, like food plants turn out to be really explosive.

Have you noticed this? Yeah, there's a very odd there. I believe the Solari report may have a map on this. And there's a place called Z map that has a map of incidents in the food supply of things. I mean, what was it to two small planes crashing into food supply warehouses within one week on things like that? Many, many food warehouses going up into flames. And you can say, well, that sounds like conspiracy theory. Tell the FBI that. The FBI released a report, and you can find this in my articles on Brownstone. The FBI released a report to food manufacturers stating that there was serious concern for cyber attacks causing this type of adverse action in the food industry.

And they were worrying about these incidents. This isn't just a few people who really like tinfoil and making hats out of it. This is the FBI saying it. Well, I mean, it just seems it beggars belief at this point in time. So our food system seems to be under attack at this stage. You mentioned, you know, what, where and why, like when and why. So so what is what is OK? I can make a case, Tracy, that this is this is what happened. So I've seen the same sausage being made because I just did this whole thing on the great taking. And so I dive in and I look at this

and 78, there was this little hiccup in a tiny futures market. So they wrote this code so that wouldn't like disadvantage the Wall Street traders. And then it grew and it grew and it grew. And over time, you give lobbyists with the ability to write the laws the chance they will do the opposite of that. When a man's salary depends on getting that law passed, it happens a lot, right? So I get the sense that, and we've all seen the studies, right? There's the chart where this is public support for a particular measure, and the actual chance of it being passed, there's no relationship whatsoever. So what you want, what I want, has no bearing on what actually becomes law.

But here we are. So it just feels like this is just self-interest, isn't it? Isn't this just people deciding that they want money? Are we getting biblical here? Because it's for the love of money is the root of all evil. This just sounds like the things people will do for money sound to me to be like sins in the sense that you're doing things that are against your soul's purpose. I don't believe anybody was here on Earth to destroy other humans for fantasy paper promise tickets, which is what I refer to our fiat currency as.

It's meaningless crap. It's not money. It's currency. Let's use the right terms. What's going on here? How do you see this now? Well, I think in order to... I think there is a war on our food supply.

And in every war, there is an enemy there is so who there's there are many and this list is far from complete but one of them and this will surprise nobody who's been paying attention is uh monsanto more specifically buyer monsanto because they have combined so when buyer and monsanto combined they combined the two companies responsible for pioneering uh chemical warfare and for manufacturing Agent Orange, which personally, that's what I want to be running my food supply. It's an illustrious combination like that. Doesn't Bayer have like 1,100 cases against it still pending for glyphosate?

That would not surprise me. It's somewhere up there in that number. They lost a couple of very famous cases, and they've been just inundated ever since. So I'm sure they will spin that off as an LLC and have that go bankrupt, right? And in 1999, Monsanto's CEO, Robert Shapiro, said that, quote, that his company would, quote, plan to control three of the largest industries in the world, agriculture, food and health, that now operate as separate businesses, but that there is a set of changes that will lead to their integration. Agriculture, food and health. Correct. And that's Monsanto, the company that we all trust most with what we put in our bodies. Sure, sure.

Are they going to sue me for accidentally eating something that gets integrated into my DNA? Sorry, all your children are derivative products of our seminal patent then we've got cargill and i always like to pair them with the usda now when i say cargill i do include smithfield jbs and the other major meat processors but yeah we have a cartel in meat processing in this country and and uh tyson foods with tyson chicken is it's on that too. And there's a revolving door at the top of USDA, FDA, all of these, which will surprise approximately no one. Yep. And, you know, I mean, it was Tom Vilsack was referred to as Mr. Monsanto due to his connections to that company.

But what you get is you get cronies in the bureaucratic agency through agency capture and you get the people at the top of the corporate systems who have dinner together. They spend a lot of time together. There's probably more than conversation flowing between them. And they tend to make decisions that help each other out. And so Cargill is a World Economic Forum partner. They control vast, vast swaths of our global food supply. And they are the ones who have not a monopoly, but a darn close to a monopoly on slaughterhouses in this country. And so they are

responsible for many of these problems. They control much of the world's grain as well. And they are the ones responsible for pricing models where a farmer, and you know this as well as I do, that the margins in farming are razor thin. The difference between paying your bills this month and selling your farm is not a very big difference. And farmers are not making much money for the beef they deliver to these slaughterhouses because of how it is set up. Cargo is the one making the money. Yes. And so the high price you're paying for meat, the farmer's not getting that. The middleman is.

They don't get it for milk. They're not getting it for their vegetables. Nothing. Well, it's producers. One group is. What's that? Milk sold to a co-op, which is how most pasteurized milk, most pasteurized milk, you have to sell it through a co-op.

It goes off to a major processor. It's thrown in a tank with the milk of 10,000 other cows. They might haul it 1,000 miles, which, by the way, is super climate-friendly. Sure. It's pasteurized, and then it's made on grocery store shelves for weeks. That is the only way megacorporations can do milk. You can't safely do raw milk at a scale like that. You never can.

There's one group of farmers who are doing better at this, and they are the ones selling milk raw, safely, directly to their neighbors. Corporate entities at scale cannot compete in that market. That is part of why raw milk must be crushed. Because if you have 10,000 cows and you mix the milk of 10,000 cows, there is about 10,000 higher chance that there's one of those cows is going to be sick than if you have one cow. And it's probable that you're not going to be able to trace the illness in those 10,000 cows. And so, you know, if you have a small herd where you're producing a small amount of milk

and you know each of your cows, you know their names, you know their health status, you instantly know if any problem is going on with any of them, you remove them, you know, from your milk production until they're better. And you're feeding them. They're out on grass. They're in the sunshine. They're producing vitamin D. They are healthy, happy animals.

We are what we eat. And we are also what our food eats. Cows in many of these mega processing operations, if you think they're eating grass, think again. If you think that they're eating corn, best case scenario, they may be feeding expired M&Ms still in the wrapper. They may be being fed chicken manure. Now, apparently there's an art form to this, I'm told, of getting it to being just the right amount of chicken manure. There's protein in that, so you can increase their protein intake. But if you feed them too much chicken manure, the meat was going to have a nasty ammonia scent to it. And so it's an art form to keep it to a certain amount of chicken manure.

But if you want food that hasn't been fed chicken manure and M&Ms with plastic wrappers on it, you need to just go to your local farmer. You need to get to know him. You need to go tour his farm. And you need to buy directly from him where you know exactly the methods he's using. Ask him questions. Ask him what chemicals he's putting on his are put on his meat. Ask him who's processing it. Ask him what his animals eat. We have to start being intentional with what we eat if we want to heal. Well, this has been a big part of my learning as through all of this is that I have to start paying attention to this stuff now. I really do. And by the way, somebody said it and it crystallized like, oh, that made a lot of sense, which is that there is nothing quite so expensive as cheap food. Yes, because the medical bills and the disability and the unhappiness you're going to have.

So it's like cheap, cheap lawyers, cheap lawyers get you expensive outcomes. They sure do, I guess. So and vice versa. So but but Evie and I have just, you know, we started on doing more keto and I'm not full carnivore, but I'm sort of eyeballing it a little bit. But but I feel a lot better. I mean, I've run the test enough times to know that when I eat and I'm not sure if it's all grains, but let me just say American grains. I just get bloated. I don't feel good. Um, all sorts of things. I'm just, I feel a lot better. And you know, we grow a lot of our own food here and on our farm and I we're closing in on a hundred percent of our own meat production um and we're at 100 of eggs and all that so four full freezers right now and and i think i'm going to need to up that from for all you know

everything else that we're eating here as well and and this is going to be really important because um because you are what you eat yes and you are what your food eats and you are what you eat. Yes, and you are what your food eats. And you are what your food eats. I do like to eat a plant-based diet. I just prefer an intermediary step. Right. I eat bugs. I eat bugs. I eat bugs when my chicken eats the bug

and then produces the egg. Exactly. I just have that one. I have my insect processing unit translated for me. Correct, and it's exterior to me yes so so technically is the best kind of of right you know so technically i'm in accordance with the wf plan they're like do you eat bugs i'm like yes all the time and it will shock nobody that the wef

is one of the other uh enemies on the in the moron food yeah all you got to do is go to their website they've got all these stories like we know why insects deserve a greater place in our diet and again go to my Brownstone series. You can find links to all of these. Yeah. And we're going to put those on our on on Pete Prosperity as well. Absolutely. But but why?

So, you know, when they say, oh, you know, we want people to eat these, you know, plant based proteins. And they never show that the picture of the plant is actually literally a New Jersey chemical factory. That is the plant. Right. And by the way, if you think that especially with lab grown meat meat if you think lab-grown meat just grows naturally in a lab perfectly and what you're coming out with is a steak uh for for a cell to grow indefinitely we do have a work for that it's called um tumor cancer cancer yeah so you you have what is essentially, call it or not, is a cancer cell. We prefer immortalized cell line. Yeah.

And in order to grow a cell, now if you have a growth medium, anyone who has ever worked in a lab will tell you. Which I have. I've done this. A growth medium doesn't just grow the one thing you put in there that you want to grow. So you are going to have to put antifungals, antibacterials, and a soup of other things in there to prevent other substances from growing along with your lab-grown meat. Well, I grew a lot. I mean, I did this all the time. So we would get the cell culture and the fetal calf serum was the stuff we had to do because it had all the things you need. And this is actually serum. It's stripped out of the red blood cells and white blood cells, but it's this clear amber-ish fluid and it has growth hormones and all that other stuff.

So if somebody says, oh, I'm eating this natural lab-grown meat, no, you're eating a bunch of little cows that got offed, and then they took out their fetal calf serum. Fetal calf serum. Let's just translate those terms, right? So that's what, that's, we don't have an artificial growth medium yet that actually works. And there's a company in Canada, which is, I believe, just got approval, That's, we don't have an artificial growth medium yet that actually works quite like that. In Canada, which is, I believe just got approval, if I remember correctly, for EntoEngine, which is going to be a, I believe it's a type of fruit fly.

It's an insect that has been genetically modified to create a chemical that will act as the growth serum. So you can choose between dead baby cow serum or you can choose insect-based genetically modified serum to give you... I mean, that sounds delicious to me. I only have one question. Does Chrystia Freeland own controlling interest in that, or is that just in Trudeau? I'd have to look that up, but neither would surprise me. Yeah, no, I'm sure. Somehow they... Isn't it... This is an astonishing thing how many people who are in their side of

things got stupidly rich during all of this apparently they're both worth like hundreds of millions now right i have questions about that i have questions too lots of questions but that that is so the who where who who why the why is simple this serves them they want to do this that this is the part we have to help break this is what i why i do what i do because i think people still are clinging to this thing that you want to because you're a good person which is that this isn't how the world actually works that that we must be misunderstanding it there must be some actual noblesse oblige there must be some some like underlying good like there's some way something i must be a misunderstanding that fundamentally there has to be an explanatory function that this is actually

good for us in general right because our lives better today than they were 200 years ago that's the conflation of progress with with these sorts of actions today but um it's inarguably true that we have the most obese least mentally well most angry violent with the lowest reported levels of happiness in the entire data series and that's the world we live in so if we were aliens being explained the whole system you'd be be hard pressed, wouldn't you, to say, this is the perfect system. We would recreate this in a skinny minute if we had to start over. I would not point to this as the system I would be wanting to reproduce. I'll put it that way. And there's a long list of culprits behind this, but ultimately you get down to what it is that they're trying to achieve. And what I found was the one health agenda.

In the one health agenda, you marry health of the planet, health of the animals, and your health all have equity. They all are equally weighed in healthcare making decisions. And this is not a fringe concept. This has been the one health concept has been officially adopted by most major organizations from CDC, FDA, USDA, World Bank. Why banks need to adopt a health agenda is maybe something you should think about for a minute. The Food and Agriculture Organization of the UN, the WHO, all of them have adopted this agenda. And in this agenda, those three must be equally weighed in making health care decisions. Now, I personally would

prefer that if my health care is being considered, my body, my choice, my doctor, it should be a sacred, sacred private conversation where the only thing my doctor weighs is what will allow me personally to heal. I do not want to be in a situation where my doctor is considering what would allow local animals or the environment to heal over my own health. And that might sound crazy, but I would suggest you go. There's a great article, I believe it's called Your Daughter for a Rat by Dr. David Bell. I believe it's a doctor. Anyways, worked for the WHO, where he talks about the equity between these and how dangerous it is. And if you look at the organizations that are pushing this agenda,

there are many of the same culprits that were behind COVID. That's kind of the too long, didn't read of this list of culprits. They're going to seem mighty familiar to you if you dug into many of the culprits behind COVID from the Wellcome Trust in England to the Rockefeller Foundation to Bill Gates. They're all on this list. Dr. Tedros, the, you know, I don't want to say doctor. A rogues gallery. I know.

It is very much a rogues gallery. And then we have the Lancet planetary health diet. Well, a planetary health diet, that sounds really odd until you consider the One Health agenda. When you consider the One Health agenda, the planetary health diet fits in perfectly. You say Lancet, I just think fraud. You know, Surgisphere, their investigation. I love this.

Their investigation into the origins of COVID where they put Peter Daszak in charge. Oh my gosh. It's, it's really, it's, it's transparently bad at this point, at this point.

But so, but in terms of where this all goes, you know, it's starting, Tracy's starting to feel to me like, well, Peter Turchin has this idea that there's this overproduction of elites. That's the problem.

And that, you know, there's only room for so many elites. And then you have Brown graduates coming out every year. And what do you do with them? And then they eventually start competing with each other. And so they start fractionizing things and making things more and more important. do who decided that they're going to help, you know, vertical siloize every component and maximize the earning potential from each part of our lives. Right. It's just it's just too much busy work.

Right. And so we've lost the plot. And the plot might be, are we making our lives better or worse? Inarguably, people today, and this drives me really nuts, are generation, are leaving behind a worse world than the one we inherited. I grew up at a much different time. There were insects everywhere. There was, like, fish in the ocean. It's like, it's all stripped out right now.

And so it feels like we have to be able to get back to some sort of reason and rationality, but we can't do that when we're having irrational conversations. Right. And so these people all micro-focused on, is there one Listeria case, while there's 500,000 metabolic deaths happening all around them. Correct. Or in the case of Salmonella, Dr. Robert Malone recently highlighted this, that you'll find press release after press release, article after article, about the danger of backyard chicken flocks and salmonella and how dangerous these are. But when you look at the numbers, I think it was well under 1%, I mean more like 0.1%, but I don't want to be generous here because I don't remember the exact percentage.

Of salmonella cases are from backyard poultry flocks. The vast majority that come from poultry are coming from mega farms. And there are many salmonella cases that have nothing to do with poultry. So why the focus on backyard flocks? Why that focus? Who is that benefiting? Well, you can look at that for yourself. But to me, there seems to be an agenda against us raising our own food and having food independence. All right. So it's so different than World War II where we were all encouraged to have victory guarded. Well, no.

Yes. But but this is something else is going on. So I think we're getting down to the heart of it for me. And we talked about this before we got into the studio here. But so there's this idea out there that there are people who deal in reality and people who deal in abstractions. OK. this idea out there that that there are people who deal in reality and people who deal in abstractions okay and so the people who are dealing in the abstractions are are these busy bodies who want to legislate and you know all that stuff right so in in the world of distractions because it bothered me like why farmers why are you why farmers like if you're gonna climate

change this i can show you a thousand articles about climate change and farming right nitrogen this and cows that and yada yada and i can find you exactly almost zero articles about china in climate change and china's throwing in like two coal-fired power plants every week and like their carbon charts are like going like this and there's nobody gluing their hands to the chinese embassy in london right and and so i i look at all of this and i'm like why farmers and what it occurred to me is because farmers deal with reality yes they do they're grounded in this real world and that's the offense it's literally grounded in the ground they're grounded in yes they are yeah and i think that i think that's the offense if i can put it that way because these abstractionists don't like the

fact that these people deal in reality because the reality people prove what a fraud the abstractionists are. Effective altruism. We care about the people. We want to support immigration. Not one of these. Like, you want the fraud? Here's the fraud. Fly 50 of these migrants to Martha's Vineyard.

You'll figure out the fraud real quick. I've tried that. Oh. Right? They're like, oh, get them out of here. Yes, we care so much. We're going to send them a place they can be happier. Right? They're like, oh, get them out of here. Yes, we care so much. We're going to send them a place they can be happier. Right?

Such fraud. So I think that's at least part of the objection to farmers is that they reveal the fraud of these other folks. The totalitarian system has attempted to take over one of the first groups they take out as farmers. Really? Huh. That makes sense. Look at the kulaks in Russia. Look what happened to the farmers in Mao's China. Ooh, right. Look at what happened to farmers in some African countries.

I'm not going to claim to know exactly why this happens, but I am spotting a pattern here. When totalitarian systems take over, one of the first things they do is take out independent farmers. And that's happening right now. Our independent farmers are under threat. If you care about this issue, and I think most people do, they may not talk about it with their neighbor because they may think we're alone. Look at that data I was talking about earlier. You're not alone. Your neighbor cares about this issue too. Talk to them. You'll find out. But we have to start engaging our local farmer. You can go on farmmatch.com. You can find a farmer that will deliver to you. Weston A. Price, you can find a local chapter on there. Talk to the chapter leader, call them,

ask for a list of local farms. Localharvest.org, I think is another one you can go to. Getrawmilk.com, I believe is one. And you can find local farms. Go connect with them. Get to know your farmer's name. I recommend, if you can, only eat food from people you know and trust and you know how it's raised. But we need to start supporting our local farms and we need to ask our farmers how they're doing, what we can do to help because they are under significant threat right now. So one of my great joys was I was sitting at my desk working way too late happens and I get a phone call from Evie who's out in the yard and she's like, come on out, you got to come out. And I'm like, okay.

I go out and it's just lightning bugs everywhere. And so we were starting to feel good because, you know, what we've been doing here is bringing back the soil. And by the way, and that's just lightning bugs everywhere. And so we were starting to feel good because what we've been doing here is bringing back the soil. And by the way, in that Sri Lanka story, we had strip-mined soil. There was no boron, no copper, no sulfur, and no NPK. So I brought inputs back in and we were in the process of weaning off

and there was no way, if they'd said, go organic with this field this year, disaster. It would have been 10 years of like starving before anything happened. But we're bringing the abundance back up, doing it as intelligent as we can. And we're going to take credit that some of the insects are coming back, right? And that's real health. And so I now, now we're noticing different patterns of insects that are starting to come

back because the plants are healthy enough to support that level of insects because aphids come on really weak plants but they can't stand slightly stronger plants but then you get your chewers and they come in and then you get your you know you move up and eventually we'll have deer problems because we'll we'll be growing mammal food again so it's not even just organic food is that you need to work with somebody who's who's like really dealing with like they're bringing their soil up they're working with nature's laws god's laws however we put that yeah soil health is everything there's a big difference between dirt and soil yep and every regenerative farmer will tell you this i the you know the uh the film's common ground and kiss the ground fantastic on this and this is by the way to be

super clear not a left right issue there was an article recently that tried to really should not milk had become a domestic or a right-wing issue that's what they had said which is hilarious the data shows this is across the board find things where there's strong agreement between muslims and mormons i dare you to find one besides this issue our we found extremely high support from both those groups of this issue. There's support from hippies. There's support from MAGA people. There's support across the board. And people all instinctively understand that real food is important

and that protecting our farmers is important. Thomas Jefferson talked about the importance of farmers and how in order to have a free society, we needed independent yeoman farmers. This has been important since the beginning of our country. And the war on farmers is not coming from the everyday person. It's coming from a small group of people who have an intent for a totally controlled and surveilled food supply. And we need to step up and we need to find ways to prevent that from happening so that we and our farmers can live prosperous, healthy lives. Well, there's so many fronts, Tracy, that

we have to look at here because the organizing principle, the umbrella I'm going to hang all this under is totalitarianism, right? It's just control, control, control, control. We want central bank digital currencies. We need digital passports. We're going to need vaccine vaccine passports we're going to have to make sure that you know all of your assets get tokenized we want to make like they just want total control so they're control freaks i get it that's okay they can want to be that but if we allow that to happen i think we end up in a future that nobody wants i because matthias desmond convinced me through his studies that totalitarianism always ends in mass atrocities. Well, we're already at mass atrocities. That's what 500,000 metabolic deaths looks like to me.

That's what 60% of children with a chronic disease now looks like to me. That's what 1 in 22 boys with autism looks like. If we could just wake up and people are, I think everybody knows now that everybody knows that there's something deeply wrong in this story. And we would know that because, because there is no amount of money you can earn where you can justify that harming your children is a viable strategy or it's a moral path to take. So that's the bifurcation, but you know, I was like sort of moral cowards and intellectual frauds. No, no.

This is between people who fundamentally can operate as decent, civilized humans who belong in an accepted group of people and people who act like complete outcast... just demons, as far as I'm concerned. Right. And one of the most dangerous groups in this to the would-be controllers is not a group that any of us would typically think of as dangerous

at all the amish yes the amish the amish and i can tell you one thing the amish certainly can't understand at all i've talked to hundreds if not thousands of them about this and it perplexes them how they're just living their lives the way they have for hundreds and hundreds of years. They're pacifists. They're non-interventionists. They just want to be left alone to do what they do best, which is to quietly farm and make carpentry. And yet they're being thrust into this unwittingly and unwillingly. And the reason believe that is is that they are the perfect control group for so much that is wrong with our modern society what's wrong with our modern society big tech big pharma big education big schools secularism yeah I

mean the family falling apart on all of these things we talked about before i mean so so in terms of like obesity depression demoralization you know needing to have trans surgery uh and autism where do they stack up i asked i have many amish clients and i have many amish friends every one of them ask them this question. How many of your kids have autism, ADHD, or allergies? And they all look at me funny because they're not familiar with those terms. So I might explain to them what I'm asking about. They still look at me funny because their kids don't have these. Extremely low rates of, and I say extremely low rates of obesity, I mean near zero rates of obesity, especially among young people and children. Extremely low rates of autism, extremely low rates of allergies, of asthma, of ADHD, extremely low rates of all these things.

And that's dangerous because people are starting to notice this, and they are looking to the Amish and saying, maybe something they are doing could work for us, too. Yeah, so you got to squash that. You got to kill that right away, because then we might have to change who we are, and that would be totally unacceptable to the situation, right? So, yeah. There are people looking at the Amish and saying, you know, maybe I want to homeschool my kids or at least put them in a private classical education academy, something like that. Maybe maybe I want my kids to have less screen time. Maybe I need to work out my issues with my husband or wife and have an intact home because it sure does look like these kids growing up in intact homes are doing a lot better. Maybe the role of a shared faith in our society is important. Maybe having a local community of people that you can depend on really is good for us as people. And that's the other thing that they have that so few Americans have anymore is they have a tight knitknit true community i grew up in a community i'm jealous of people like that and i can tell you from having experience living in one and living without it there is something about

living with a community of people that you can depend on to whom you are loyal and and they're loyal to you that is how we're supposed to be yeah you know it was years ago i i interviewed sebastian younger about his um book tribe and uh i've since used the term a lot. But he was trying, he started with a simple question. He's like, why are 22 veterans a day committing suicide at post the Iraq war? And so he thought he was going to wait in there and find, well, you know, drug use, PTSD, all that. Digs in there, and that's not the case. A lot of these people worked in clerical positions, and so he couldn't, so dig, dig, dig. And it turned out that the people were having

such a sense of esprit de corps and belonging and part of their platoon. They were part of a, they belonged to something. And then you get out of the war, and you land in Newark Airport, and it's so devastatingly devoid of anything that feels meaningful or connected that for many of them checking out was was committing suicide was was

their response to that think of what an indictment it is to your culture when people go get a small taste of what it means to be connected to other humans and come back and decide to kill themselves rather than face your own culture that's that's horrifying we've got that's why we got got to get rid of the amish can't have that yes they they have they have a true deep community of meaning and so when you combine all these factors together that is a group that is very dangerous if your goal is having the state as god which sounds sounds radical, but I don't want to be convinced that there are people who would like to replace, take the God-shaped hole that is inside every human being and take out the divine and put in the state instead.

Any possible flaws with putting your faith in Anthony Fauci? I personally don't have any Anthony Fauci prayer candles in my house. You know, no, I do not have an Anthony Fauci shaped hole in my body either. So it's a, it's perfectly good that way, but no, I mean, this is, this is, I think this is the substance of it. So, you know, I would, I did not grow up religious or very spiritual, um, Protestant, you know, church was twice a year, Christmas, Easter, no Sunday school, never cracked a Bible, all of that. And I have been, I've been reading now.

And, and first from a historical standpoint, I wish I'd done this before. Cause it's, it's like, oh, here's how humans tend to do behave. Right. So I'm seeing a repeating motif. So that's fine. I like that part, but i've since come to believe and that that it's very clear that if we do not individually have a higher power who we believe we have to answer to that that's where things go adrift for people i would have to agree with that and i say that

as someone who spent years as a dedicated and full-blown materialist atheist. I would have to agree with you on that now. And I don't think I'm alone in this, but I came back to a place of faith through witnessing evil. Yes. And concluding that if evil with a capital E exists, so must good with a capital G. Mm-hmm. And that I needed to look for it.

Yeah. Yep. Big part of that for me was, it really clicked recently, was Naomi Wolf. She's writing in her book, Facing the Beast, chapter 11. Comes to that same sort of, like, conclusion. Struggling, struggling. Like, how do I make sense of all this? Then finally realizing that one way that snaps a lot of things just neatly into focus is to go well

evil it likes to wreck stuff it just destroys stuff and if you can if if you have my friend michael yan says you develop a paradigm and either your paradigm predicts and explains or it doesn't and if it doesn't you adjust it or chuck it out. So I started with this evil paradigm and I'm like, oh, that explains. Because if given the choice, bureaucratically to do this or that, and that is destructive, they always choose that.

And so that's what I was starting to notice is that pattern. And so that's what I think we're up against, which brings us back to the Amish, of course, being people of faith. That's an extra burr under the saddle of these authoritarians who want to who want to replace that with their own version of. State is God.

Yes. If something is already filling the God shaped hole in your life, it's very hard for the state to become your God. So fascism is the merger of corporation and state what's what do we call the merger of church and state where the church is the state and vice versa i don't know what the term for that for that is i'm sure the germans have a word for it they have a word for everything the germans have a word for everything yes they must have a word for that yes i'm sure they do and many have subjected to the idea of of church and state being married to each other but i think it's far worse when the divine is removed entirely yes yeah so

i i also agree with this idea that that the presence of evil made itself known, so therefore I have to accept its opposite. And so that's fine. But I came to my sense of awe and wonder and a sense of the divine through my work as a scientist. So for a long time, my job, five years in a lab, microscope, living cells, watching them go about their business. And I started to have questions right away because you know organelles and mitochondria and cells and membranes and stuff but you watch one of just one cell like just you can just swab your cheek and put one of those fiberglass down it'll spread out and it looks like a city from 10 000 feet there's it's just busy there's trucks going

here and there and trains running and things happening. I mean, it is like every cell in your body is just like doing stuff. Right. So I started watching that. I'm like, this is way too complicated to explain. I can't I don't have an explanatory function for this. So I was talking with Nick, who who works with me at Peak Prosperity, and he came to it through astrophysics. He's out there peering into the furthest reaches of space going, this doesn't, how does this, what? You know, and then if you really, if you really noodle on the Big Bang, you're like, okay,

what a crock that is. It's just very hard to sort of reconcile that. All those scientists like, grant me one giant miracle and I can explain the rest, you know? So it's just, so I'm coming to this, that there's this awe in wonder and mystery that leads to humility, which is, I don't know what the F is going on out there. I just, I just don't. I'm, but that's okay. I don't, I don't need to know that, but I'm watching the WF people and Noah Hariri, like

we are gods now. We were, you know, he's just this insane. I think we've done this before. Yes. I feel like as a humanity, this might be a pattern we've seen before. Sounds babalicious. Right? I remember this legend about people building a tower to become gods.

Yes. And I vaguely remember that it didn't end well. Yes, there's something. I'll have to review that. No, but it's the oldest story in the book, which is hubris and pride and all of these things. And so that's where we're at. So, again, this idea that there are two camps, that's how I really see it now. And good news.

So this is what I want to leave people with is this idea for me. And I'm in a catbird seat. It's fun because I get to meet people like you. But we're finding each other now. Yes, we are. And I think, you know, they said at one point, you and I found each other through COVID. Absolutely.

I've spoken at two of your events before I decided to come out in the digital world too. Absolutely. Well, thank you. And you were actually the first person I've agreed to come speak for. Well, I'm honored. And we are finding each other. other yes and if you are out there and you think you're the only one you're not you are far from the only one we are very close

we are very if everybody who saw these problems just brought it up with the people around them speak up they would discover we would all discover that we are far from the only ones. I have friends who work in public health. I have friends with PhDs in nursing who are wildly different from where I am on the political spectrum. And by the way, good luck figuring out where I am on the political spectrum.

Me too. They're wildly different from where I am. They care about these issues too. This is not a left-right issue at all. And this is not an issue that nobody cares about. Most of us do. The question is, most people feel helpless. How do we solve this?

What can we do about it? And I can go in that if we have time a little bit, but I will tell you that the final piece in my article series, which you should go ahead and read on Peak Prosperity, goes into the things we can do. piece in my article series, which you should go ahead and read on Peak Prosperity, goes into the things we can do. And not one of these things is going to achieve total victory overnight. But there's one way we guarantee we lose.

And that's deciding that we're going to lose. If we decide we have a shot, we have a shot. And we have fought one far tougher battles before. Oh, absolutely. So this is, I love this idea because I don't know where this quote came from, but I think it was a movie, which was the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing us that he didn't exist, right? Well, the greatest trick that social media ever pulled on us is convincing us we're all

alone. It likes us fractionated and isolated. And sometimes it's just for mercantilist reasons, right? Like lonely people have just endless wants and needs and you can sell them all kinds of junk um you know but but you know sometime somewhere along the way google dropped its motto of don't be evil they dropped the don't went straight to just be evil right because they are they're actively working to destroy the country now here Now, here's the interesting part. I've talked with actual Google engineers who know this and they hate it.

People who are listening to this right now, some of them work in government positions. Some of them work in the FDA. They know they're part of something they don't want to be part of. And so my invitation to them is, this is your life. This is your soul. Do not, do not do things that are against your soul's purpose. Right. So I was just talking to one of my children because, you know, there's this draft that's, you know it's boys and girls and all that stuff. And so I was talking with one of my children. I said, look, you're an adult. You can make your own decision.

But personally, I'll support you if you want to go to, I would personally, I would go to jail before I would go to somebody else's country to commit murder for some corporation or a neocon. Amen. I grew up, I grew up pacifist. And I grew up anti-war. I have never not been anti-war. Do you know what? One of the most exciting things of my adulthood is watching the people. It used to be left, you know, the left had some anti-war people on it. It was just, you know, just the hippies and the Anabaptists and a few other intellectuals. And everybody on the right supposedly was pro-war.

And, you know, I was in high school when we when when we did our shock and awe campaign in iraq and i was uh in a in a high school at that time that was i was there very briefly maybe six months i was very much not culturally from there but it was a an appalachian high school where everybody is heading off to either become a teacher, a mechanic, or join the military. Very patriotic area. And everybody was rabidly pro-war. And it is so exciting to me to now be living in a country where people on the right are starting to become anti-war. Yeah. And are starting to say, you know what?

Maybe I don't want my son to go kill brown people overseas. Maybe there's something he could actually do to better society, but that's not it. Well, we can finally start to add up the cost of these things. We weren't allowed to have the conversations before. So let's have the conversation right now. So if you get on Metro North, which is the line that connects Boston to New York, it is an embarrassment. First, you're driving past spalling concrete and trash, and it's just ugly. But the train is swaying violently. You know, your laptop will slide off your plastic tray if you have one and tray table. And so we don't have nice things in this

country. So if you just travel a little, you go to other countries, you go to like we're even I were just in Iceland, small country, not at war with anybody, although they've just decided to join NATO or whatever, you know, Ukraine. But they had nice stuff, right? Because they spend their money on their own people. Like, people don't understand that that trillion dollars plus the U.S. is spending, $800 billion that we know about, and let's add a few more for things we don't know about. That's just money that just goes out and does nothing. That's it.

You know, maybe it leads to higher tax rates in Huntsville, Alabama, where they assemble the missiles by with white gloved precision. But we're at this point now, Tracy, where it's obvious that we can't we can't have nice things because we're too busy blowing stuff up. So just from a purely self-interested standpoint, I would love for once to see my taxes go to stuff I actually support. Right. Put it into research and regenerative agriculture. Yes. Or putting up new local processing houses or helping farmers with subsidies that actually lead to improvement of the environment, not monocropping soybeans and corn. Yeah.

You know, if can you imagine a world where a government agent shows up and you're like, oh, good, they've shown up with with like they're here to install like free insulation on my house. And it's, you know, it's my tax dollars at work. Right. Or my elderly neighbors actually getting the help that they need on something. I know many farmers and I can tell you not one of them has ever seen a government agent arrive on their property and had a reaction of, oh, good, this will help me. This will help me. No, never, never, never. But we've got to change this, right? So, okay. So how do we go?

Let's talk about this. How do we go about changing this? That's an excellent question. One, the solution is decentralization. Get your food local. Be the solution yourself. You may not be able to change the laws, but you can change what you do. We need a decentralized food supply. And if you care about climate change and the climate and the environment, get your food locally. Where do you

think the shortest carbon, the lowest carbon burden is? It's food that came five miles from your house. And if, let's say you live in Manhattan and there is no, you know, there isn't a farm down the street from you. Go to somewhere like Farm Match or Weston A. Price and you may find that there are food drop sites in your area where a farm that is

an hour out of your city is bringing food in to a cooperative and dropping it at a location and you come every two weeks and pick up the box. Is that as convenient as a grocery store? No, it's not. But the convenient route isn't the healthy one. And the convenience leads you toward servitude and serfdom.

And we cannot take the convenient route on this one. That's one thing you can do. I'm also deeply concerned about the coming change to central bank digital currencies and social credit scores and programmable money where i'm very concerned that that these farmers especially the dissident farmers that are farming outside the system are going to get cut off so we need to start thinking now about how are we and our farmers going to transact where we can pay them for what they are providing to us without being cut off by a digital middleman.

Silver. I'm a strong proponent of junk silver. A very strong proponent of junk silver for this purpose. Exactly. I love it. It's a little hard to pay for a bag of produce with a gold coin. Maybe a gold bag, but a gold coin. Junk silver.

And anyone can get junk silver. You can go to Atmex. You can go to many places. And junk silver, guys can go to Atmex. You can go to many places. And junk silver, guys, it's coins, 64 and before, I believe. And they have a certain silver percentage. They're easy to identify. 90% silver.

Yes. Yes. They're easy to identify. Anyone can learn to identify them quickly. You can carry them in your pocket. That's what they sound like. And you can pay. Yes, they have a different sound than current. Yeah.

True junk. Yes. They have a little ring to them you know yes they do so these are silver quarters that's what you're hearing here on on the microphone yep oh i love that sound yes it just it has a very different ring to it it's like a tiny bell i don't know i like it little silver bells yes and so i encourage people to look into these solutions because the control grid to control you is built before it's turned on. We need to build our solutions before we need them. And this is a solution I suspect we're going to need quite soon. Yeah. That's one. The other one is you need to build a local community of people you trust and people to support your local farm. Hear, hear. But in what's coming, we're not going to make it on our own.

Tougher times are coming. And when tough times come, you need other people. Chris and I both know a man who grew up in a Soviet country, and his family owned a peach farm. And what they would do was they would give people peaches. They'd sell them peaches. They'd also give them peaches. And they knew that when they needed something, those favors would come back to them. And it isn't about transacting in money.

It's about transacting in gratitude and mutual altruism. Yes. So I believe very strongly in the social and you need to build up social capital. Chris's book, Prosper, had a big influence on my thinking on these things because capital isn't just financial. There are many types of capital. There's financial capital, there's material capital, there's knowledge capital, and there's social capital. And many people are good at some and not at others. You're very fortunate if you're in a relationship, like in a marriage or a family where some of you are very

good at one and others can master some of the other capitals. But this is often overlooked in our individualistic society. We need social capital. You need to build a local community of people you can depend on. And then together, let's say there is no food drop site in your neighborhood. Go to somewhere like Farm Match. Find one where there's a farm near you that does these drops. Many Amish farms do this all over the country and non-Amish farms too. Reach out to them if you know they have a drop site 40 minutes from you and say, hey, I've got 12 families that would like to buy. Any chance

you could set up a drop site near me? My friends and I have done this. You can try to do it too. And I can promise you when you have, I mean, we were laughing at this earlier. I brought this light cream with me. It's in a bottle. You turn it over. You can't get it out. You got to get a knife to get it out. And this get a knife to get it out. And this is like, this is light cream? Yeah, it looked like butter to me, but that's light cream. I mean, how delicious was it? Oh, so good. When you get this real farm food, you get this moment of, this is the real thing. What else am I missing? And sometimes that, you know, the taste might take a little to get used to because it's grass-fed. It's not chicken manure-fed.

It may be a little different, but within a couple weeks, you go, oh, my gosh, this is all I want to eat again. When I travel, I travel with my food. I'm that guest who will arrive in your house with two coolers full of food because when I'm on the road, I don't want to buy glyphosate burgers or GMO corn chips. I want to eat for my health. I know what it's like to not have health. Yeah. And I want to support the farmers who are giving me this incredible blessing of health. Yeah. Now I have

one more big reason for all of this too, which is that, you know, I didn't know the saying at the time, but we knew it instinctively because I was a rock climber and we did big walls. If you have one, you have none, right? So if you're halfway up a wall and you drop your belay device, you have none, right? So, and this is an old military saying, you know, two is, three is two, two is one. Yeah, one is none, right? So, so by pushing everybody into this one thing where it's all digital and it's very smart and we can control and we do all this stuff and get out that, that, that, that, that,

that, if we have a coronal mass ejection or a, or some sort of a war that knocks the grid out or a cyber attack or just a flaw that happens or who cares? If we don't have a parallel system, you have that one is none, right? We go from high functioning, super complex to zero with no ability to conduct business. It's just stupid. Like from a, from a, from a risk management standpoint, you would never set up a business that way. Right.

Right. It's agile, fragile, centralized is not resilient ever, ever. It's just not. And I think we need to be more resilient, not less.

And we look at the things going on. And so none of their stories even begin to make sense. Oh, we're coming into this crazy world of climate change. And so the weather is going to be super chaotic. That's why we need to have this one centralized thing that we should all rely on. It's like just a dumb idea. If we don't buy their climate change solutions, it means we don't think the climate is changing.

I'm not saying that at all. I've seen the climate change where I live. I can now grow southern highbush blueberries where 10 years ago you couldn't. There is change happening in the climate, but climate is being used in a very cynical way as an excuse for pushing policies that are. Remember the dog that didn't bark, right? Exactly. Where what? How come Bill Gates is buying jet private jet companies?

You know what happened? Why are 600 foot yachts like on a five year waiting list? Right. Come on. Trust what they do, not what they say. Yes. jet companies you know what happened why are 600 foot yachts like on a five-year waiting list right come on trust what they do not what they say yes obviously by their fruits you shall know them absolutely so all right but but back to this idea of um of resilience is really important really important and um look i'm of a mind now tracy that this is we're over the Rubicon. There's there's really there's no can be honest. We're not going to elect a savior. You know, I disagreed with you, Chris, but I don't.

There's no there's no tweaks. There's no like if we could just adjust the policies at this point. I mean, just just just fully from a standpoint of just economics, leaving aside the terrified by the loss of insects. Right. Just economics. Leaving aside, I'm terrified by the loss of insects. If you came here a few weeks ago, apple tree, full blossom, you could stand under it and not hear any buzzing. Which is the most terrifying silence you can imagine. From my childhood, that would have had bumbles and honeys and little ones and green little bees and things you didn't know about. I'm so blessed. There's honeybees living in the walls of my house.

That's nice. And there's bumblebees with a nest right under my blueberry patch. And it gives me such joy. Yes. To see these little pollinators going at it because I know it's becoming so uncommon. But you see, we're way out in the country here. I don't live in a big ag area where I can say, oh, all the local farmers with their neonics or whatever. I don't know what's going on. But OK, but leaving aside my terror about what's happening in the natural world, we

have $100 trillion of debt in the United States right now across all sectors. $100 trillion. There's only like 330 in the world. We're like we're 30% of the leverage in the world and we're 5% of the population. And we have no plan for how we're going to get past that except to get people to borrow more because somehow that's the plan we have it's just brain dead stupid yes and we're going to run it until it breaks so it will break there's nothing we can do about it and when it does break you're going to need your local people and you're going to need your local farmer well so this was super

instructive for me i was brought out um a lot of my message resonates with the mormons and and i resonate with their two years of stored food and all of that. And I was out in Salt Lake City and got this great tour, right? And they brought me to their granaries. So they have these big granaries that are the size of, I don't even know, I mean, it's like these towers. And they pointed to them and they said, these are all full of wheat, and they're temperature controlled and CO2 filled or whatever. And they said, we have enough wheat here to feed every Mormon in the world for two years. But of course, they'd end up feeding non-Mormons or whatever.

And I was like, oh, OK, that's wow. And then they brought me to this distribution center. It was the size of like a football field under a roof where people were volunteering. And they had all these volunteers sorting clothes. And they were converting them into these kits and things in case there was trouble somewhere in the world and they would put them on a plane and fly them out all without money and then i was taken to this food store which wasn't like gross like nasty like off-brand food like it was full of like good food fruits vegetables meats brand name products and there were people in there and they said oh these are people who fall in tough times the the bishop of

the ward will give them a chit they take the ch chit into the store. They come in and they just hand it in and they just fill up and take what they need. Right. Like who else does that? Who does that? So they're doing all of this. And I realized that if the dollar system broke, they have the muscle memory to know how to do this stuff anyway. And that's one of the reasons I'm so passionate about protecting the Amish because we live in a fragile society that is being run in an increasingly erratic way at best, best case scenario, it's erratic. And, uh, you know, if it goes wrong, when it goes wrong, we're going to need the people who know how to function with less, with less energy, uh, and, and, and who know how to function with less, with less energy, and who have the taste buds still for community and how to build a society.

And the Amish and the Mennonites are some of the best at that, especially the ones who are still out there farming with horses. By the way, I love how if our government truly cares as much as they say about climate change, go to the farm that's being run by a horse and selling all their food within five to six miles. Exactly. It's not putting chemicals into their water supply and their food where their cows are on perennial pasture. And the kids don't have autism. Yes.

The bureaucrats should be coming to these farms and saying, teach us your ways so we can go out and replicate it. They shouldn't be showing up with police raiding them armed. Yeah. Which is what's happening. So soft spot, uh i went three years of my life i was on what was called a traveling school this is in high school and in first years of college and each of those three years we spent two weeks at an old order mennonite farm in just outside of lancaster right ferrishurst i still remember his name

and the deal was 20 kids on a school bus would show up and we would work although i'm sure we were just defective um i i realize I thought, oh, we worked hard. Like, no, they must have looked at us with pity. But and then at night we would go into the parlor and we could ask questions. So it was sort of a cultural exchange. That's that was the whole thing. So that was anthropology. But while we were there, one of those two, three weeks, three, two week sessions in the middle one, that second year, there was farm that of how barn that had burned and so I got to go to a barn raising now

We were completely like tits on a boar us 20 We were like you know carrying sandwiches with the women and and I watched these eight-year-old kids clambering up Everybody knew what to do like there wasn't I didn't even see anybody shouting instructions and don't do this everybody They were like 80 dudes ranging from like eight years old on up, climbing around on this thing. And I watched this thing get built in about two days. And it was, I just didn't,

it was magic. Jonathan was one of my favorite. He's a moral philosopher. I love his work. He's at Stern school of business in NYU. And he likes to say that humans are 90% chimp, 10% B and the Amish are one of the groups that has the bet done the best job humans are 90% chimp, 10% bee. And the Amish are one of the groups that has done the best job of taming the chimp.

Without force, necessarily, and without government intervening. But tame the chimp and learn to use the bee. And you have not seen something until you've seen an Amish barn raising. I think you can see some on YouTube. Even them picking up an entire barn and moving it. It is incredible. And this is the type of teamwork and community that you can only develop. I'm jealous of it, by the way. With time.

I grew up in a very tight-knit community. We would always sing together. Four-part harmonies. Everyone knew the same 3,000 songs. And at my wedding. As people do. Yeah, I was at my wedding about 10 years ago a bunch of my friends show up and these are friends who have never met many we many of them

about 15 people who all grew up in the same church community i grew up in they um have many of them have never met some of them left this church community in the 1960s some left in the 70s some in the 80s some left in the 2000s some in the 80s some left in the 2000s wide range we got up and we sang some songs together instantly just okay we're gonna sing down by the rainy river okay we're gonna sing that one and uh we just we start perfect four-part harmonies and afterwards the other guests this was completely spontaneous the other guys say how long have you guys been practicing together and And we laughed and we said, well, it was either 18 years or not at all, depending on how you look at this. But we had learned the taste bud and the skill set of social cohesion and community. And it's so missing. It's so missing in our society these days. And there was a time where I lost that value that I had learned as a child and let go of it. I now think it's one of the most important things I ever learned was how to be part of a community

of people working together. Yeah. Yeah. I'm so glad that, um, one of the things that, that, uh, all of my kids were just like, look, you're going to work cause we're worker bees. So I got the bee thing worked out. Yep. And of course they hated at the time. And, and, and then when they became adults, they kind of looked back and they said, you know what? I'm so glad that that happened because, because the people around them are defective at it. It's almost like, um, you know, they say that if you haven't learned a second language or a third or fourth by the time puberty hits, when your hormones come in, you will always have an accent, right? Because you don't have the brain. Brain plasticity settles down and you can't quite do it.

So if you haven't learned how to work by the same time, I think you'll always have an accent at it. You can learn. You can become reasonably fluent in it, but there's a familiarity with it that has to be born in early on, which is why this whole thing around COVID, let's mask the kids and take them out of school and distance learning. And what could be wrong? We'll have kids learn off the screens. What a disaster. What a complete disaster, but a predictable disaster. And I have to ask, how did the Amish fare with COVID? Cheryl Atkinson did a great program on this. I think you can find it on YouTube as Amish COVID.

And they naturally, their natural setting is to trust the government and never resist. That's their natural setting. So they shut down church for about six weeks. But the Amish do have communion either once or twice a year. And Communion Sunday was coming up. And they had to make a decision. Do we surrender our faith to the government or do we not? And now each church, the Amish is a decentralized church.

There is no head of the Amish church. And each church district made a decision, but most of them made a decision, we're going to have communion. Now the Amish don't drink alcohol, which meant communion is just grape juice. And it's in a jug that's passed from person to person to person. So they went, they meet in families' basements, 150 to 200 people per, per church district and they had communion. And in the next two weeks COVID swept through and some people got sick.

Some people got very sick, but the vast majority of them got over it quickly. And within six weeks the Amish had hit herd immunity and that was the end of COVID. And they, Amish farmers have told me they they did better their businesses did better in 2020 than they ever did because they just kept right on they kept right on going while everyone around was shut down so if you needed you needed carpentry well you're gonna have to call the amish guy you were looking for some farm fresh produce the amish might be where you need to turn and they did fine yes there were people who died of covid many of them in hospitals um

but i mean i know of one one case where there was an amish bishop who was in the hospital had covid and a a nurse told his church you need to get him out of here if you want him to survive and so they took him home and he did and he survived. But there were quite a few Amish that died of COVID and the ones I know that did tended to die in the hospital. And many Amish decided, even if I'm going to die, I'm going to do it at home. And, you know, obviously some of those did die, but it was more important to them to be with their community than to be stuck somewhere where their children would not be able to come and be with them. Did they manage to discover ivermectin anywhere along the way? What I would say to that is that there were soon signs on many local horse supply places that said we are out of

ivermectin. So you can do the math on that one. Because they legit ran out of supply? Because people bought it? I suspect so. Yeah. Gosh, I wish I could... They all tended to have it on hand, because you can't be Amish without a horse. Well... It's your car.

They all drive one-horsepower cars. Yeah. Yeah, no, I remember that, because we rode around with a few of them at the time, but you could fall asleep. So it was the original self-driving car, right? The horse already knew where he was going. Already knew where he was going. You'll get there. Thank you so much for your time today. I could keep talking. So I'm going to direct people to these articles. Yes. We'll get them up on our site as well.

But what would you leave people with? Like, again, let's just be really crisp about this. What would you like people to do who are of a mind to be not going down path B in this story? Stop eating processed food. It's poison and it's becoming more poisonous. Get to know your food and your farmer. See if you can find a local supply. Be intentional about what you eat.

Build a local community and start considering how you can set up payments or transaction with your farmer outside of the credit card or digital system, because at some point that is going to be shut down for anyone who is a dissident raising healthy food outside the corporate system. But the two most important things are find your community and find your farmer. Great. Well, thank you so much for your time today. Thank you so much, Chris. It's been my pleasure.