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Episode Date: June 19, 2026

A deep dive into the world of Clavicular, Operator Podcasts, Book Clubs, and the big bright white hot light at the end of the tunnel with comedian and Youtube extraordinaire Jarrett Moore. follow him on IG IAmJarrettMooreOn YouTube at @jarrettmoore6458Watch his most recent recent videos here See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Yeah, it looks better. Cool. Awesome. What's up, man? Hey, everybody. This is Jared. Yep. Jared is a, that makes awesome YouTube videos,

and he's a very funny comedian. And he sent me his video on a man of whom I have been obsessing over. Just not nearly as much as Jared. Jared went to the source, Mr. clavicular and really just DGN culture. Yeah. I think that's what I was talking about.

I was setting up is like, do you know the Togi guy as well? Yeah, he's the gambler. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he's the guy that like, so one of those dudes,

he was the guy that I was more familiar with. I think, like almost like Proto Klav where he was like, yeah, I was like going to play D1 baseball. I was kind of chubby. And then I started doing like cocaine

and blast and trend. And then I started having like crazy sex and gambling. And my life. got way better. Yeah, that's just like a career path now, just to be a complete, like, piece of shit. Yeah, Dijin, and I was like, and I got this, I had this thought, and this, when you reached out to me, I was like, I was on a tour with my band and I was like trying to formulate this, like, if you're a young guy, I mean, it's like, in the video you were talking about, like,

it's so easy to write these guys off as like, you're just like this internet obsessed loser. And if you go outside, you'll see that men and, like, there are women who have boyfriends that aren't rich, blah, blah, blah, blah. But it's like, it's way beyond that. Like, it's almost like, like, like, the, the depravity of it and the misery of it and, like, the torture, like the, being fucked up on drugs and being hung over the time and sick, but having, like, six-pack washboard abs and, like, losing $50,000 gambling. Like, that is the allure. Like, the girl, really, we're not even like, oh, we got the, we got Kitty Cat on once and twos. Yeah, kitty wants to get on the mic.

She's like, turn that shit off. I'm trying to sleep. I'm trying to go to nap. Yeah, I like, the beginning of the video, or when you were like sitting in front of the Muscle Beach, you were like, it's not about, they don't even like women. Yeah. And I was like going through, like, watching all the Togi video stuff. And it's like, he's always surrounded by like a harem of these like Miami sorority girls. That's what I think about like Dan Blaserian too.

Like he's always showing off like the quantity of, like he's on a private jet with like 26 only fan girls. It's like you could only fuck in like five minute increments like a couple times a day. Then you're just like, is that like a fun hang? Like just a bunch of like 22 year old only fans girl, you're like a 40 year old guy that's like into like right wing politics. Yeah. Just like they're just going to break off in like subgroups and talk about like Love Island. Right. Like this isn't like the crew.

Right. Yeah. Also like I remember he got in trouble like 10 years ago for throwing Janice Griffith off a roof. I don't know if you knew. Dan Blasarian? Yeah. You know the porn star Janice Griffith? I didn't hear about this.

She's like, she was like a, I don't know. She was like also, she was in porn, but she also wrote about. like the industry. So like she was she was one of the girls that like got like hired to like be a part of his crew, whatever the fuck. And he got like yak the fuck up on blow like classic Miami boat guy Coke, some of the best in the world, super drunk. And then it's like, I'm going to throw you off the roof into the pool.

And she was like, I don't know. And he goes, I'm throwing you off off the roof into the pool. He grabs her, throws her and like misjudges his own strength. And then she he heed her over the pool. Heeded her off the roof into the pool. But her, she doesn't make it all the pool. way her legs hit the fucking concrete edge of the pool and like snaps her ankle in half and like I don't remember exactly the court case I think they settled out of court because everyone involved had like so much

there was so much drugs so many drugs in the hotel everybody involved had like a fucking heroic amount of coke and like Molly in their system that there's no like both sides like the criminal defense attorney and then like whatever they'd have been like guys this just this was what happens when you're in Miami and your brain dead yeah there's a wash but like to to your point about Dan like I guess he was the progenitor. Really, if you go all the way back, I'm trying to think about that. It's like Rich Piana, maybe. Like, who was the first, like, you know, because people are saying tape, but, like, there

were guys before, like, well, I mean, before that, it was Ty Lopez, who was just on, annoyed everybody in the YouTube ads. Hey, in my garage with my Lamborghinis. You remember that guy? That's, like, 2006. Yes. And then you're like, that became, like, its own, like, subculture. Just those annoying, like, YouTube ads that you would skip all the time.

Yeah. That kind of became the same. scene is like, it's always 22 when they're talking about like escaping the matrix. I can't think of anything more in the matrix than convincing yourself you need a Bugatti. We were texting about this. Yeah, you need a million dollar car. Do you know what the distracting component of the matrix is in the matrix? It's a hot lady with a fat ass and a red dress.

Yeah. In the movies like, like Morpheus sees Neo like follower and he was like, pay attention. There's more to that. And it's like the thing that's distracting you from reality is like this hot, sultry woman in this nice car and this like finance job with the corner office it's like that's yeah it's completely inverse yes than what it is like when they're in fucking uh zion or whatever and they're like this like sweaty rave thing that's like they're those aren't rich guys that's like the complete opposite just like poverty just living in the moment yeah yeah yeah well also too like the

the uh the idea of um like that how that whole like clav does this and then like Andrew Tate does this too, or it's like, you're the male thing. It's like, you're all alone. No one cares about your problems. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, you're going to die alone. You know, men have to earn everything they get. Women are handed it to them.

It's like, no, like that's like, you're, it's like when turbotax, they like create the problem and then sell the solution. Yeah, yeah. Like, I have friends and I talk to them and we talk to each other about our lives and stuff. Like you, you're like creating a problem that's existed for a while, which is like this weird, rigid patriarchalian. I don't have emotions.

I'm tough. I do push-ups. The strong silent type. Yes. Yeah, the stoic. That whole thing is so crazy. But I think all of that eventually what I love about the clav thing and then like you dig into it way more is like all of that was swirling in this kind of un-disconnected primordial

soup and then clav somehow like is the Messiah of that movement. Like he's all of it. He's the male loneliness. He's the gay part of it. Yeah. Where it's like he literally on camera is like I don't like being around. I don't I find them annoying like that's the Andrew Tate part and then there's like the bone smashing part which is like deep internet like weird in-cell stuff and then there's like the fast money fast car shit and then that's like that's the Andrew Tate Roush V shit and he it all coalesces around him to where he has somehow become even more so than Tate like the prodigal son like he's the and it sounds so stupid it's like why are you talking about this guy it's like I think we're living in like a long shadow

of young dudes and women that were 15 during COVID. This is my running theory. Yeah, yeah, just on the lockdown, complete social isolation. They really gave them like memetic psychosis. Yes. Just like seeing like that, you know, the hypergamy chart? Yes, of course. You're seeing that.

It's like, you know, like one to ten attractiveness, like the boys and girls is like, it should go straight across like this. You're going one up or two down. And then it's like the top 30% of guys get like the top 90% of women. And then there's a funny version of it with like Alvin and the chipmunks and like Theodore's train. and then just gets Oh yeah, yes

I saw the one right Well that's a whole thing too That I won't say the word Because I find it fucking disgusting But it rhymes with tune And they're like oh yeah Guys who like can't Those guys in cells will like become women

So they can like sleep with like non-biter It's it's psychotic But it like I also like I also think that the thing that drives me crazy About that stuff is it's like The Humble Lion Cook I've talked about this so much I wish that I could

I would joke with Thomas all the time Like I want to do an in-sell Like I want to be Tony Robbins But for ins I want to travel around conference rooms And Hilton's and Marriots And I want to be like Go to a restaurant And be a line cook that sells a little bit of cocaine on the side

You will have sex with the hottest women Blow is really the red pill To unlock the hypergamy chart If you're a shop dude And you happen to have a little blow You have access to all these women that have no business having sexed it whatsoever. I worked restaurants my whole life.

My first job was a restaurant. I worked restaurants well until my late 20s. 10 years in the industry. They would be like the fattest, nastiest dude on planet Earth with this shitty clapped infinity. And his girlfriend would come to like the, oh, we're going to go to his bar next door after the shift to him to come. And his girlfriend would be the hottest girl ever seen in my life.

He's driving around in her car. Yeah, yeah. She's at work. He's in the car. He's doing the meme where he's like, baby, can I get 20? Yeah. for a perk 30 The bro boyfriend,

go on my purse, baby. And dude, it wouldn't be a fling. She'd be like, I'd be like, how long you've been with so-and-so? He'd be like, four or five years.

And I'd be like, he's like, yeah, she's my ride or die. I'm like, listen, you don't need to hit yourself

on the head with a hammer. You don't need to take Chinese peptides. You don't need to like scrape your face with like fucking like microderm abrasion razors.

You just need to get fat than fuck and get like a Patrick, the Patrick Star neck tattoo of him smoking crap. and then wear blown out and wear one shorts. You need to look like jelly roll. Yeah.

He cleans up. Dude, well, he just, he left, he left his wife. RIP. RIP to miss Boney X-O. But yeah, like, I miss his role. Yeah, in Boney Roll. I'm like, you're the foremost authority on this. Like, I'm like, what, is there something that I, like,

I feel like I'm missing something. Like, how are, how is, how do you think he was able to so, like, fast track himself? Like, he's in GQ, no clav. Yeah. He's in like, like, like, Tate got a couple things, but like, is it his age? Like, he's younger. Like, is it right place, right time?

Is it all of the people in his age cohort are now mentally and socially fucked? And so that's just perfect place, perfect time. I mean, there's like the amount of clippers that he has to, to, like, force him into your algorithm. I do think, like, the looks maxing thing is kind of synergistic with, like, what those billionaires, like, Peter Thiel, like, want you to be. And all those rich guys, too, you know who Elijah Long is? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He does the retard maxing. Yes.

Which is like, I could see kind of like the benefit on like the ground level. Like if you're a guy that like overthinks yourself like crazy. It's like just that is kind of like a Zen level to it. But then people like Chalmouth Poly Optia are like advocating for this. It's like, well, why do you think like Mark Andresen and all of these tech billionaires? Like, you know what? Don't think about anything. Don't even realize the work because they're really fucking you in the way.

the real world. It's like just completely tune off, just get money, get jacked. Like, it's all this like self-centered, self-improvement. If you're poor, it's your fault, get hotter. Like, hit yourself in the face with a hammer. It's like the new let them eat cake. Just like, oh, yeah, you can't retire. Yeah. It's like, oh, you can't retire. It's like, have you tried being hotter? Yes. So I feel like all those guys. And who is in charge of the New York Post? Is it Roger Stone? I don't know if it was Stone. I don't know who runs the post, but it's one of those guys. Yeah, but Clav was invited to his like mansion. Yeah. Like early on. Like a lot of these guys are like very interesting. And with like the transhumanist thing too. Like Peter Thiel like just become a robot. Like just don't even,

you know, just like this optimization culture that's like very like Silicon Valley. I saw that Andrew Huberman guy. He was like, I hate him so fucking much. He drives me crazy. But like he's like his, I mean he is a Stanford educated guy. But then like, I mean the amount of kids that are on Zinn, Andrew Huberman said it was okay, like, two years ago? Like, when just came out, just like, is this good, are my teeth going to fall out? He's like, it actually makes you smarter. And you go, okay.

And then everyone's wife is like, are you fucking stupid? I don't know the podcast doctor. He told me these are vitamins. Yeah, my blood pressure is like 180 over 110, but I'm going to be smarter. Yeah. Because it increases my neuropluses. The, what's the word? The death denialism through like the,

uh, biohacking and optimization thing. It's like a big part of it where I'm like, like like everybody's isolated and lonely and that like that guy that does the retard maxing thing he was on Andrew Huber and Andrew Huber was like I heard about this thing

a retard maxing yeah and like I'm like what I guess if you're an academic because this is like I also like my own thing about academia is dead like and by that I mean like there's no like all the great thinkers of the world and being a great thinker as like there's Slavo Gijek

and like there's Richard Wolfe and then I guess Thomas Sout but that is not a job anymore you have to be on YouTube saying stuff Slavoy Jizek is Jordan Peterson same thing so I'm like if you're a Stanford educated like scientist and you want to make money

and you want to like it's like you can't just study things you have to go on YouTube and you have to interview some fucking Indian billionaire and you have to go like way down in like the accessibility of people's like education levels like the Gore Vidal versus like Buckley like that big debate it's like now it's like on the whatever podcast and it's like Andrew Wilson talking to some like only fans girl and this is like the real meeting of the minds. Yeah dude like I dude his thing is so funny to me because he's like

he's not smart and then he'll he'll be like like dude I've worked with guys who are like oh have you seen the you watched the whatever podcast like and they'll show me clips on their phone it's like clockwork orange torture it is like I can't think of anything because the girl will be like the girl would be like yeah i mean i get to go on boats but like i have myrne gains whose real name is like amor fatu by the way he's like uh what's a he's a somalian guy um like these guys actually don't realize it they don't have the language to articulate that they're not angry at hot women they're trans they want to be hot girls yeah because their complaints this is partially a joke but like all their complaints are like i saw um the fucking myron gains guy and that

Andrew Wilson guy were like, you know what it takes for a man to have a boat, the grinding, the amount of work. And you just get to go on one, why? Because you've got a pussy and a set of tits and a nice ass. And the girl goes, I mean, yeah. And he's like, God, I wish I had a pussy in a tight ass. Oh, fuck. And they're getting all red.

And they're like, men have to work overtime. They have to put in the fucking hours in ICU on a fucking million dollar yacht. And the girl's like, listen, this is your world. Yeah. Like, this is your world that you. create because you also tell guys the only way to get access to pussy is boat or like car or whatever the fuck and it's like while that is true for some women it's like it's it but they that the only way those guys get their breadbuttered is if they build the world that they then

claim to hate yeah and then like the the business model of those like debating only fans girls podcast. It's like the guys watching it are wanting to see those only fans girls get like humiliated because they're like a stand in for whatever girl in your own life that isn't talking to or whatever. You're like, oh yeah, you're like that one fucking barista that doesn't look at me and then it's like, yeah, she got owned. And then they go on the only fans. They're like rage jerk to the girl. That's why they're going on it. Right. Because they want to get the traffic from the show of people to like check out their only fan. It's just such like a humiliation ritual that ever, they're all consenting.

It's like you're going to humiliate me and then all these like weird gooners It's like a hate boner gonna go and jack off yeah like that's such like a Just a fucked up life. Yeah yeah I like I like I don't think I haven't been like in combat sports my whole life like I mean so many young dudes that are like Into stoicism and like fucking lifting weights and like like like this like this kind of like neo misogyny where it's like it's past men going their own way It's past the MRI thing it's like it's pure like there's this magazine I don't know if you've ever heard of it's called man's world and it's ran by a neo-fascist publishing company

called passage publishing and dude it's literally something Mac from it's always sunny would read like it's all about Catholicism and it's all the covers are guys like super jacked like twinks and then like hairy dudes but it's like a right wing magazine it's not a gay magazine it's not a gay magazine it's a gay magazine

and all of it's this I don't know if you this is like clavicular shit a day but like they call it Nietzsche and vitalism where it's like the idea of the Uber Minch is like this rejection of the feminine in all of its forms. You surround yourself with strong masculine men. Greased up, sparkling, shimmering men. Looped up. And I'm like you, I'm like, you don't, I think about a college-dage guy, like a 20-year-old guy. I'm like, you don't want any of this. Really what you want

is pussy from the girl in Okem. But she's not giving it to you. And I understand that sucks. But like you move on with your life. You don't become like the riddler from Matt Reeves Batman. Like you don't become like fucking like like the punisher villain like you don't like I see these guys like I'm gonna get good at jujitsu. I'm gonna do a bunch of Chinese peptides and then I'm gonna I'm gonna become like bull's eye from daredevil. Like it's the craziest shit in the world and I'm and then it's like but what's at the root all of it? It's like and I'm like I guess it's just I don't know I still like with the the like so I think to yin and yang like there's like the clavicleer world. I actually think the clav shit and the 7-6-4, like, Order of the Nine Angles, like the Discord cults. I think it's all the same thing, which is like...

Yeah, those are both just offshoots from the in-cell culture. Yeah. And then in the essay, I talk about how, like, before, like, the Chad versus Virgin meme, like, the Chad was the enemy, like the Alec Menessi and Elliot Rogers, like, kill all the Chads. And now they're like, you know what, if you can't beat them, join them. And then they try to become the Chad just to escape that power dynamic of whatever there's going on their head. They're like, oh, they're going for that big fucking buff guy. I need to become him, as opposed to just taking him out all those like beta, you know, uprisings that they're

trying to do. Yeah. And like I think, I mean, like, I think like I was when COVID happened, I was 20, dude, the country shut down March 15th, 20, 20, I was my 26th birthday. And I was like, well, well, well, I've got a girlfriend already and I've got a bunch of friends. Yeah, same. I was 24. I was making more money than I ever made in my life. Unemployment. Just unemployment. just unemployment more than I made at my job like lifeguarding. And then they're like, how could people live on this? I'm like, that's actually more than what I make. I've never made in my life.

All the congressmen are like, people must be, oh my God, $500 a week. It's like, dude, I'm fucking bawling. Dude, non-taxed $5.40 a week. Yeah. I was going, I was eating lobster. You were just full welfare cleaning out. I was like, I was going with the EBT, like the rage bait videos of the black family. It's like, just got steak on my EBT.

Like I was doing that shit. But, like, I think about, like, people my brother's age, my son. My brother's, like, in his early 20s. And there's, like, eight or nine years between us. And, uh, I think about kids his age. And I talk with him and, like, he is or, like, was, like, a really lonely guy. Mm-hmm. And he got, like, super into the, like, occult.

He wasn't, like, into the, he thought of the looks, man. He had that shit was, like, stupid. But he got really into the, like, not, like, dedicated order to the nine angles, but knew what it was and was, like, really into the occult shit, like, Alistair Crowley. and like Thelma and stuff, you're smoking a lot of weed. And I just,

like, I think we're living, like a sin of, like, I think Clav and like the 7, six, four, like, nihilistic violent extremists.

Like, I think we're all downwind, long shadow of this, like, there were a bunch of people, men and women, boys and girls who are like in their early 20s now that are like,

they're still 15 years old alone in their room while their parents, their millennial parents are downstairs playing quip lash with the neighbors, drinking wine and popping Xanax and being like, oh, you're up there having fun on Roblox, honey? Don't do anything. And you're in a Roblox room called like Rape and Kill 14-A-Rae. And like, you're like, yeah, I'm normal.

You know, it's like, I think like that net, in human history, that really like never happened. At least alongside with something like the internet. You know what I mean? Did you see the Facebook post? It was from Tyler Robinson's mom, the dude that shot Charlie Kirk like 15 years ago. Like, ooh, we got Tyler his first computer. Now he won't have to talk to his family again. It's like, god damn.

It's like, ever seen like the Reddit. Domino. Yeah, yeah, the domino. Or it's like a lake, and then you see, like, a snowy lake, then you just see footprints going into it, and it's just like moments before disaster. Yeah, yeah. That was the moments before disaster moment was him getting that computer. Is that little domino of just like a hunter gatherers set up shop near a river and create

the first civilization and the big domino just said 9-11? Yeah. No, I, like, the more that I, like, because I got really, I read a bunch of the like Order of the Nine Angles, 764, like, books. So there's one called Hostion. and then there's a bunch of them that's like how to basically, their whole philosophy is you desensitize yourself to violence, sexual violence,

and because true liberation, they believe in like the, not the satanic church is a definition of it, but like true liberation, true moral freedom is to live without any societal constraints. So they call normal people like you and me mundane. They call us like mundane cows where like we are limited by things like rape is bad and killing is bad and arson is bad.

And they're truly free. because they are willing to not just do all these things, but revel in them. And so that's all these Discord channels get kicked up. That, to me, is like one side of the thing. And then the other side of it is this like, it's like, you know, the fucking meme where there's like one road is like an evil haunted house.

And then the other road is like, yeah, yeah. See, for me, it's like one road is 764 like joining the discord called like, Hitler with a big ass furry 1488 rape, rape clan. Or Miami D-Gen culture, sexual assault. Israeli Mossad handler. Like, which way Western consumer? You know what I mean?

Like, because that's like, because I think too sometimes where I'm like, if I was that age and I saw the economy, like, I'm not going to go to college. You could roll the dice and stream your whole life. Yeah, especially with all the like the college commencement speeches of like everybody just like championing like AI.

It's like, well, you guys don't have jobs anymore. You're $140,000 in debt. It's like, How do I even come out of that? It's just like the smash and grab economy. You're like whatever I have to do, I'm going to do it. And this seems like the easiest shortcut is just whatever drop shipping, e-boy variation. Like just some grifter, like you just need like a scam or just something.

Get a credit card by like $4,000 or $5,000 worth of camera equipment. Get some fucking dude to follow your. I mean, like that chud the builder guy. His story to me is truly, like truly he had a successful construction. business. He was just kind of a Tennessee good old boy. I mean, like, I think you made a good point about it, and there was this article in, I think, Harpers

or whatever, that, no, it was Playboy. They argued that clavicular and company are like the first, like, we used to change the internet, and now the internet is changing us. Like, the internet is changing people. Like, we used to make it

different, and now it makes us different. That Chud guy, like, he had no, he was like a... I was just watching a video on him recently and like he was like wigged out earlier and like he had like a bunch of like black friends that a black girl once saw him at the street just like hey that guy used to sell me weed like what are you doing here they're like he was never like this he was never racist and then i think he got like arrested by like a black cop or something like that and then that was just like his complete radicalization moment was just whatever happened there just completely like broke his

brain. Also, the Shiloh Hendricks debacle got a lot of people. What was that one? That was the lady who called that baby the N-word and then they donated a million, 1.4 million dollars to her. That's what, like, you think like everybody's like pouring out, it's like there's just like a million and disposable income. They're like, just

like crowdsourcing to like say the N-word at like a black baby. Yeah, yeah. There's just that much like hate money that's just sitting there in like the coffers. Brewing under. And that's, I think that was another thing that like set a bunch of copycats because I saw a bunch of people that were going and doing like crazy shit in public and it's like

I've been doxed and lost my job at Domino's pizza for screaming racial slurs. Then they're like he's never worked at Domino's. Yeah, yeah. And it's like even if he did it's like yeah you can't scream racial slurs at a Chinese family at the park. I mean you can and you can make I guess a hundred thousand

dollars doing it but like yeah but AT&T probably doesn't want you work in customer service after that. Yeah yeah. Well what's funny is like people always argue about like Okay, KLAV's an interesting case because he says he's neurodivergent. He says he's autistic. I actually think he's not. I don't think he is at all.

I don't, I, as a guy who, from a very young age was, like, was doing hard drugs and drinking like a fuck ton. Like, I actually think clavicular is just, like, on, like, pills and stimulants and alcohol. And I think he just has not been sober or not on steroids since he was, like, 14. And I don't think he knows who he is. Yeah, yeah. But it was even before that is when he got into the looks maxing when he was like 13, 14 years old. Like the pills and stuff, that definitely is like a newer development. Like he's been high like this whole last year.

He's been blasting trend since like junior high. Yeah, trend, but like the hard drugs and stuff. He always says that he does that too like. Yeah, the meth was for like gaunt cheeks. Like so he looked like more like defined features. But he's saying just like, yeah, I actually can't interact with people sober. So he's just using this as like performance enhancing. That's not autism.

That's, to me, I mean, I don't know. Maybe it is autism. I mean, I know people who are on the spectrum who like say, oh, like drinking, whatever. But like to me,

that's not, that's so much autism disorder. That is you are an alcohol. Like, yeah, there's a term called dry drunk where it's like, yeah,

when you're sober, you're an asshole. No one wants to be around you, so you drink so you can be a little fun to be around or whatever. Like, like, hey, clap,

buddy, like, you know. But then also like COVID happening when he was in high school too and not seeing it's almost like type two autism. Like I can get like type two diabetes for me like sugar and shit. He has like, isolation induced autism.

Well, like, giving yourself anti-social personality disorder by hanging out on 8chan all day. Yeah. Like, I... It's like, no wonder, you can't talk to normal people.

If you're on 8chan, all the fucking... You're scaring the hose. Right. No. To unprecedented levels. That's my... Yes.

I remember, like, I hate... Sam Hyde. He drives me crazy. But he had this video... I think he had a moment of clarity. I don't know if you've seen it. He's like smoking a cigar on this cliff side and there's like

this beautiful ocean breeze and, like, the waves are splashing on. He's like, you want your girlfriend to... know about the JQ. You went through your girlfriend.

You want to date an autistic man. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, I was like that

you guys are, because I had friends in high school who were, I mean, you're on my same age. B was like the OG. Yeah. B and 4chan were like,

you know, like 8chan came from there. I had friends that were like hanging out in these forums on, like these super, super sub sub forums that were like, dude,

past like midnight, you can watch videos of like babies getting shot and war. And then you can watch. much guys getting their legs blown off and like dogs tearing people apart. And I would be like, yo, I came to your house to do whip it's dogs. Like I came to your house to like eat your grandma's viking and drink some Miller

light and play Tony Hawk's underground. And I have this thought where I was like, oh, so those kids, the kid that I'm talking about, they were not in the minority, but they found each other. And then of course the internet exacerbated this community of like people who wanted to give themselves any social personality disorder. And I think clavicular definitely falls under that. Yeah, you don't have like the outside regulation from like, hey, fucking chill out. You're trying to one up each other.

Yes. And be like the biggest chud. Yeah, because the biggest, you know. Anytime any guy in my friend group in high school was like, dude, you want to see a picture of like a toddler that died in an IED explosion? I'd be like, nope, I don't. Yeah, I was standing around at lunch one time. And then I was talking to a friend that was like a little four channy. And then he had like another friend that was like so deep.

Dark light on his head. Yeah, he was the doorbell chud. But then he showed me something on his phone. It was like a Guatemalan baby having sex with like a grown woman. Yes. Like a six-year-old. He's like, isn't that funny? I go, brother, you have child pornography.

No, it's not. Please don't show. What the fuck is wrong with you? I'm calling the police. Yeah. I was just like, this is no, no one, don't show that to people. And then like you realize. And I don't know this kid.

This is him trying to make friends. I'm like, what? You have this, you have a realization where you're like, oh, I'm, I'm an odd kid. I had an odd life. I am fine. Oh, yeah. Like I had so many little like, like, the way the asteroid like gets close to Earth and it kind of streaks across the sky like near misses. Like I had so many like, do you want to watch this video?

And I go, I would go, I did see the Taliban beheadings. Maybe. No, no, no, I don't. No. That's a route. I can't go down that road. I can't do that. I did a little bit of the Gore stuff.

It made me feel sick. I don't want to know. And then there's no checks and balances anymore. It's just like you're in discord with a bunch of guys that are like. sending each other this shit all day, and then they just kind of create these terrorist cells, or they become D-Gens or whatever. Yeah, that was another thing with, like, there's like the looks maxing. There's also jihad maxing, too, to, like, commit, like, the terrorist.

That was a big problem in, like, Saudi Arabia to, like, all these, like, young guys and they're, like, late teens, early 20s. It's like, well, you can't really have sex. That's not, like, a cultural thing there. You're not drinking. You're not doing drugs. It's, like, the only blow-off valve that they have is, like, you're so horny you blow up, like, a bus station.

Yeah. That's just like the critical mass of not coming. You're like, well, somebody has to die. Yes. If I'm not busting, we're fucking, you know. Yeah. And then, well, like, all these guys, like, well, they want, a lot of them politically will dedicate themselves to these movements where it's like, uh, like, I'm sure you've seen the charts of, charts of like South Korea, Japan. It's happening all over the world where like, it's not just birth rates that are in the shitter.

It's like dating. South Korea, it's so bad that they're like pandas. You can't get them to breed. You're having to hit them with bamboo. Yeah. Well, like, women in South Korea are creating these, like, social, political groups that are like, we're not dating men. We're done. Like, I'm not a lesbian, whatever.

And then, like, it's happening in America and blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, well, if you see the political charts of, like, polled young people between 18 and 30, it's like, young women are, like, either staying at, like, a manageable or, uh, previously established level of liberal or left. And men are going, like, insanely right wing. Yeah. I think a lot of, like, political wars are just an offshoot of the gender wars. For sure. Like, your animosity towards women is, like, the key driving, like, inciting incident of your politics. You're like, I'll be racist because it annoys girls that don't want to fuck me.

Yeah, yeah. Like, I'll just go, I'll just say the N word all the time. Not even because you particularly have a problem. Right. You'll have, like, a multicultural group of Nazis that's like, you're like your best black friend. You're like, yeah, 1488 brother. It's like, well, you got nothing to. against any of your friend.

You're just doing this to, like, own the libs or whatever. Correct. Yeah. And then what ends up happening is you, like, Seth Hart, the guy that wrote Fort Bragg Cartel. He's a fan of the show. And he had this really funny tweet where he's like, it was like quote tweeting people that are like, why are they brown Nazis? Why are they black Nazis? And he's like, this is America.

And we finally built the first multi-generational multicultural Fourth Reich. One thing that we're missing, black Hitler. And it's like, I was like thinking like, no, like it's true. I will see guys who are like the most prolific right wing posters on Twitter they've got the check mark and like hundreds of thousands of followers

and they post stuff like I wish I had a little sister that I could kiss and also like I you know death to all insert my order to hear and then you go on their profile and you click origin and they're in India or they're in like Sri Lanka and it's like

okay I know some of those guys WIRE did an interview with this kid in Sri Lanka 20 years old badass apartment in Sri Lanka and then like with apartment in Dubai all he does all day is he rigged up like an AI to a bunch of white power bots

and a bunch of his accounts are some of the ones that people interact with all day including the vice president it's a really great article and he was like the interviewer was like why do you do this you're like destroying our country

and he's like it's not my country I make a lot of money doing it honestly you guys are going to have a civil war anyway like yeah there are like accelerations and all those things like the terragram or like the 7664 it's like you don't think there's like foreign intelligence like the amount of shit that we do to other countries it's like we're the only

ones doing that because and all this like division and chaos like there has to be like Russian agents in there just like prodding and keep showing the hypergamy you know Alvin turning trans chart over and over until somebody fucking snaps and like shoots up like a church it kind of an aside do you know the band yeah one of my they're like a slow core band one of my it was like why is this piece of media connected to this piece of media it was a stick figure um um rage bait cuck video of a white stick figure getting his beautiful trad blonde stick figure wife fucked by a black guy set to Duster's Christmas Dust and the song is like I don't want to drink I don't want to fuck fuck I don't want to smoke I just want to die and it's like slow

core and I was like I wonder if the guys from notoriously niche band Duster know that their music is set is like kind of like in cell anthem because I saw a bunch of their music is like it's like under like kind of like how fucking, what was that, um, um, police men swear to God. The MGMT and Little Dark Age or whatever that came to like, like to the vapor wave edits.

It's like this is, yeah, there's a lot of those like Agartha edits. It's like hard style or like nightcore remixes of like Katie Perry. Oh yeah. Those are, yeah. Or they're like the anime music. Like the kids that did the San Diego shooting.

It's like, and they're like cutting themselves and all the, the songs like you Google it and it's like a kitty. cat singing it on a lily pad with a frog and you're like how the fuck did this get associated with Hitler like I was I was listening to um uh true an episode about uh was it the kill for wojack one that they just did yeah that's great yeah and they were talking about that cartoon like oglese vivant or whatever yeah she was like racist against the dutch yeah that came out like uh two or three days before my essay came out like oh this is a great companion piece if you

want to get more on like the shooter side of things the web series and I was like I was like okay like this is clearly like the way that Germans are funny which is like they're not they're just like we used to be evil but now we are still evil and the Dutch are like completely

mentally deranged people like I was Googling like some of the songs that they were doing like the dances to and it's like this is all anime about like like when you translate the Japanese into English it's like kitty cat backflip high school number 62 yeah you're like why is this playing

while a guy is killing 80 innocent people. How did these two things... Is it the irony? Is it the dissonance that it just, they find that funny? That they're doing such like extreme violence to such like a, you know... Like a cutesy thing. I think it's that, but I also think these kids have a profound, profound, like the kids that did San Diego shooting, they were like 17, 16, 17. When COVID happened, I hate doing being a COVID thing, but like they were 12. I think a lot of these young kids that are doing these shootings and that are connected to these

like KMDMFM, like, Terragram, mass shooter discords. They're still 11 years old, alone in their room, parents downstairs, like homeschool means you're just upstairs alone, not learning anything. Like, there's no accountability. We as a country were not set up

to like have parents teach their children, millennial parents, teach their children. We were just not set up for it. And so part of me thinks like, okay, I take myself like six, seven years back. I'm 11 years old. I'm on Minecraft or Roblox or Discord or whatever. And I stumble into this chat with other people and they're like, hey, you want to see a dead, hey kid, want to see a dead body?

And you're like, because when I was on the forums at 12, that happened to me, but it was on a big desktop and it took 10 minutes to load the picture. And I was like, ha! And then I think like these were children. And they were preyed upon and groomed by sometimes FBI agents. Yeah, exactly. And then now they're like entering adults. and they're combining these things from their youth, these cartoons they watched on on in YouTube with this deep desire for blood like

to kill and to rate or whatever. And you can't those two things are not mutually exclusive like it all it's like there's something whenever I'll watch clavicular streams and it's like I'm watching a boy I'm watching a boy who's high on meth and cat like overdose and like you forget how young he like he's not allowed to drink at any of the bars that he goes to he's like fucking And it's weird just like the grown men like hang out like in Andrew Tate or whatever. It's just like you are like grooming him like straight up grooming. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. And also like his handler, high walking on it. Like that was a thing for me where I was like, I'm sure you experienced this in your research or whatever. But like you stumble across something and you go, this should be like the Peter Thiel thing with like all the boy like clavicular and like J.D. Vance. And I'm like this. I'm seeing the green line to the make. I feel fucking crazy. Like I'll read

you know I have the chicken hawk or any of these CIA like child trafficking drug trafficking books and I become the biggest buzzkill because people are like drinking beer and smoking weed and having a cigarette and I'm like hey there's this guy Peter Thiel and he's trying to make the technology for my Norty Report real also he loves little boys.

Can I talk to you about him for three to five hours and ruin your evening completely and people are like no please don't. Please don't do that and I'm like I'm going to do it and then I'm not going to invited to your party and work because your girlfriend thinks I'm the craziest person in the world. It's like talking about it makes you anti-social. You become a victim of it in your own right even by knowing about it. And not in a way that's nominal, not in a way that's just surface level, but like being

obsessed with it or whatever. Like making a video essay about it's like great video. But I feel crazy sometimes we're like I'm talking about it for 40 minutes. I'm like, why am I talking about a 20 year old boy? Yeah. Why? And it's like, well, he is. Just anything that's so big in the culture, it's like, it's at least worth addressing.

Like, why is it, like, resonating so much with people? Yeah. Like, and then it's weird, too, like, I was watching the stream, because he was doing, like, a 24-hour-a-day live stream, like, for, like, a month straight. Like, the cameras were, like, he just, like, Truman showed himself. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I had it on for, like, an entire day. And then it was him on, like, a party boat with, like, DJ academics or whatever.

And then just, like, I did get the appeal, like, I was just playing video games. I had it on for, like, the entire day. Like, it feels like you're at a party, but then there's none of the pressure of being at a party. Like having to socialize or saying anything, like, you can't kill the buzz of the party. Like, with all their antisocial behavior, it's just like in the live chat. Just like, oh, killer. And then there's no, like the girl doesn't hear it. It's just all these other guys that are like, yeah, throw her overboard.

Yeah, yeah. And it's like, it is psychotic, like, what it's doing. Then if you actually go outside, it's like this is your, this is the pregame. This is how you've been practicing socializing. Right. So then if you go out and try to talk, like how you talk on the Discord, yeah, you're going to be lonely after. People will not want to be around you. Right.

Unless there's something like, whenever clav or that Togi guy, they'll be like, sorry guys, no IRL stream today. I mean, in my head, I'm like, do you mean going out? Yeah. Is that what you call going outside? You need to be in a re-education camp. Mow was right. Like I'm like, like, I'll hear them use the terms like, sorry guys, really hung over, no IRL stream today. And I'm like, you mean going?

it's like getting a bagel you mean going to the store yeah like you mean going to get a red bull and like some ibuprofen because you're hung over like that's what sorry no iroar stream and then but then again it's like i think like no like these kids you can go on kick you graduate high school and you can see the writing on the wall that like i believe i mean j d vance literally gave a speech like four years ago called the death of the american university where he was like talking about like if we come to power we will we will kill the american university because he considered it he Peter Thiel calls it an institution of competing reality where the techno-fascist world they want to build, you cannot have large institutions that are state-funded or privately funded that disagree with you. An institution of competing reality, you can't have them. So it's like a three-hour lecture that J.D. Vance gives. This was before he was vice president, but was like getting into the teal world of like, here's a 10-step plan of how we're going to destroy the American university. We're going to devalue it.

It's very Curtis Yardin inspired. Yes. and it worked. It worked like gangbusters. And now I think AI is a tool to also destroy the American University. Anyway, you come out of high school, you're 18 and you're like, okay,

all right, I can, maybe I could go get a safe degree, like an accounting, and like maybe I can make $89 a grand, $100 grand a year for the rest of my life, and I could wear like a cornflower blue shirt with a nice pen.

Even one of those little ID badges on the little bungee string of scanning. And you're 18, And then you go through college, maybe you party a little bit. And, like, you're seeing this clavshund on your, you have Instagram Reels. You're getting, like, targeted to. And then you're like, no, I don't, I don't want to go be a CPA. I want to, like, I want to gamble and, like, do cocaine and, like, move to Miami.

And, like, I want to go $80,000 into credit card debt trying to, like, nobody, like, there are people who want to be actors, but I'm like, shit, man, like, you could be a streamer and probably have more success. Like, L.A. is it's dying. Hollywood's dying. people I asked like my brother when he was younger I was like what do you watch like do you watch you guys I watch YouTube and I watch like I watch streamers sometimes I'm like you watch movies and he's like I watch movies I'm like we hang out and I'm like what

yeah it's like the death of like art in general too like everything is just kind of like it's an entropy just going towards reality television yeah because that's like the cheapest most like you never run out like there's no editing process there's no four thought you don't wait for the writers to do season three yeah and that was like the 2007 writer's strike in Hollywood. That's what led to like Jersey Shore and like snooky and all that

shit and everything just became like a version of snooky. Even like stand up comedy. Like the comedy is not really like you talk to like younger people that started like two or three years ago. Oh yeah. And then it's like they don't really like stand up comedy. They don't like oh I fucking love that Carlin special. It's like they want to be friends in this like podcaster cinematic universe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they just want to be like to be a comedian now, you're like auditioning, be part of an extended reality TV program. Yeah, you're trying to get to Thanos, which is Rogan. Yeah.

You're just trying to get to his club, which like, been there, terrible hang. But like, it, like, it, the Navy SEALs didn't, uh, put you at ease. Oh, my God, dude, they're fucking, dude, getting padded down to go get a Cors banquet, getting padded down by guys with huge cauliflower ear, like, emptying, taking my belt buckle off, like I'm at the airport and they're like, oh, lift out, let me see the boots. like yeah I've got a derringer in here yeah I've got a cane like you pull a sword out of it like go fuck yourself dude but like anyway um like yeah I that was so like being in Austin

I started doing stand-up in 2012 and I quit for a long time but like the scene back then like I'm not gonna be one of those guys like it was it was amazing because it was clicky like every this I don't care but it's like yeah no like I know people who come to Austin with like stars in their eyes and they're like oh i i sold everything and moved from columbus that's the whole florida scene all of us came to tech like 20 30 of us like there's like no fucking feature acts in tampa anymore because like a whole fucking is this fucking wagon ear and i mean we all just came out to texas for the the podcast gold rush i went to chicc when i go to chicago

to do stand-up it's like i know a couple guys out there logan malin max shanker like they stayed but everybody else is like is here. Same deal. Like when I like I'm like I'm like, do you guys have any hosts or anybody? They're like yeah, they all moved to Austin. I'm like, fuck. Yeah. Because you know, whatever.

But yeah, like that's another thing too is like I have a podcast. So I can't, you know, do as I say, not as I do. But I'm like, oh, I was talking with me and me and been were bullshitting. Shout out. Ben Avery, listen to a little party. You all of you do. Most people listen to one of the five podcasts that we are in the sphere of. it was just like you know the story of the guy

in Japan because I meet people who like just moved to Austin for stand-up like three months ago you know the story of the guy in Japan who he didn't know the war was over no he gets blown up in Nagasaki

and he gets on a train filled with like literally like a train filled with people who are like got atomic burns and stuff and the train he's like just get away from just get away from the city, right? Get away.

Just take me two hours away. Get me away. And so he's like, all right, I'll just get off here. The stop he gets off at, Hiroshima. Get hit with the second bomb. Whenever somebody tells me, I just move to Austin for stand-up. I'm like, you're the guy who got off on the second train and the bombs. The bottom's falling out, dude.

Like, like, because every special one of these guys drops is dog shit. You hang out with them. Like, some of them are really, really cool. Some of them are really, really, they suck. Like, there's no, there's no, like, some of them are streaming. No, some of them are streaming now, too. They'll have their phone out, and you'll be in the green room. I'm like, this is, put that away.

I have a strict, like, if somebody's like, yo, say what's up to IG? I'm like, I'm out. I thought, I thought we were talking. You know what I mean? Like, I thought we were just. Yeah, but they're like, no, this is the reality show. This is part of it. They need the behind the scene.

Like, the behind the scenes became the scene. Like, there is no scene anymore. What they want, the behind the scene is the thing. and then if someone puts out a special or whatever, you're just kind of supporting your friend this guy that you have a relationship with. That's not the product. This is the product.

And then you're like, oh, yeah, they're a little art bullshit, whatever. Oh, thumbs up, hope it does well for you. But they don't actually like that thing. Yeah. They just like the guy for, you know, making them, so not lonely. Yeah, right. Yeah, it's like, like, guys, yeah, I hung out with, I hung out with shade.

Like, these are cool guys, but like, you know, nope. Whatever life you think, like, they just drink bud, light and they look at their phones like everybody else. And, but I think that the allure, this is like back to the like the IRL street. Like the, first of all, kick and rumble like,

and do you know that a, that live stream gambling company duel that's owned by that Israeli psychopath that like, um, the day after the mosque shooting, one of the blackjack dealers was dressed like the shooter? Yeah, they always just do whatever controversial shit to,

yeah. They had a little pump on in that clip of the, um, where like somebody in chat was like, are you on Coke right now? And he goes, yes. Like, like, I thought five years ago, I was like, okay, this edge lord race to the bottom is done.

We've got as edgy as we could go. And then I realized, no, there's so, you can go so much lower. That was kind of my, like, logic with doing these, like, video essay thing. Because I get, like, pretty sincere. It's like, am I going to be more ironically racist than the White House? Like, just what the White House post on Twitter, just like, is that my competition is to be edgier like the government is edgier than any because they'll actually kill people too like they'll say it and be like no but for real we're

gonna shoot that lady in the head i have shooters yeah yeah yeah i hate when i go on twitter and i click a white house video and it's that it's that um anime and it's like um or like deruta like saying it or like waiting for tonight yeah it's all me i think it is fortune kids running like the white house social media i don't know if baron is like who like scounderner How did those guys to, like, connect them? It was the New Yorker, that guy from, remember that article that came out to the Cruel Kids table? Yes.

Or they were, yeah. So that guy that wrote, well, one of the guys that was a part of that team that wrote that, he was like, yeah, I mean, I'm pretty much attached to the hip, a lot of the, like, junior policy advisors, all the Doge guys and all the people who are, like, basically, that run comms or that are, like, hang out with Stephen Miller a lot. And, like, where Miller gets a lot of his stuff, they are, like, at the oldest 22 years old. And they're all Nick Fuentes guys.

Or they're all Sam Hyde guys. Or they're all... Yeah, Fuentes is an unofficial branch of the government. John Doyle, he's like another one of these dudes. Dude, his podcast is called Heck Off Kami. Which is like... Like, you ever hear something and you're like, your spine like is trying to come out of your mouth? You're like, I'm like, heck off commie.

Dude, I will rip your jaw off like an ape. I fucking hate it. Dude, at least... Oh, my God. This is another thing. I talk about this so much on the show. and I know you guys are getting a look at me and you're like you look a pussy and is that well fuck you like I hate that all the guys all these guys that I'm like supposed to be scared of that like

when when Stephen Miller is on the TV with his aviars he's like and we will send them back and they will go I'm like dude have you seen the videos of mingle of him back in the day he's this dead-eyed like like there was a fucking there was this psychopathy there was this evil that radiated off him Whenever I see a video of Pete Hegseth binge pressing, or I see, like, Aiden Ross at the White House dapping up, I'm like, I could, you guys are all stupid and losers. Like, yeah, oh, Andrew Tate's a kickboxed champion. Yeah, okay, fine.

98% of the people who live in this world are like soft-bodied losers. Yeah. It's crazy. Well, that definitely is like the power fantasy thing because they're so weak in regular life. They're like, well, if I attach myself to the American government, they're my fucking biceps for me. Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, that's the obvious part of it, but it's like, God damn, at least like Reinhardt Hyderick, that sounds bad. But at least like these guys like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they would do the dirty work themselves. I'm not saying it was good, but it's like Stephen Miller is like, would, you remember when Ashley St. Clair, one of Elon's baby mom? She was leaking a bunch of messages that Stephen Miller had sent her during some of the protests. And he was telling her, these were his exact words, you need to get on the internet and let, and, and, and we need to get the white boys to step it up. These white boys got to go crazy because we are getting outmanned on the streets, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, like, clearly a closet case. I don't care.

People like, it's not, it's homophobic to say that he's a closet case. And I was like, you mean to tell me the guy that's like, we're going to throw you in camps, is texting a white woman's phone saying, we need to get the white boys crazy. Ashley, it's white boy summer. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. He was texting her that shit. And I was like, God damn, I hate the, I hate the burger. Like, I hate the fucking, like.

Yeah, it's the Dork Reich. Like, they're not, like, Kugo Voss. Nerd Reich, I just can't do it. Yeah, it's, it's, like, the laughing emoji, like, instead of the swasca on the Arban. It's going to be the sideways laughing emoji and, like, the poop emoji. Yeah. And I think it's, like, they revel in not being cool. Yes.

Because they're so not cool. Like, all those guys wanted to be in Hollywood, like Ben Shapiro, like Matt Walls. They all wanted to be, and they're, like, not accepted. Stephen Carter was a failed comedian, or not Encolterra. What's her name? Kelly Ann Conway was a failed stand-up. Yeah. They all want to do the traditional thing.

Now they're just like through democratic mandate or just like straight power. They're like, you know that thing that sucks ass? Yeah, it's actually pretty cool. Yeah. It's actually cool. And also like I think it does exacerbate the like, oh, she's not going to fuck you, bro. Or like she's not going to let you hit, bro. First of all, I want to say to all the in cells listen to my show, I'm going to speak your language for a second.

you see a video of a guy with like a dangly earring and a crop top or like a belt buckle or like fucking his nails are painted and he says something that you think is gay and you respond she's not going to let you hit bro i'm going to tell you right now married they are letting us hit like if you're nice and normal to girl they are letting us hit like gangbusters i don't know i don't know how i hate to say that it's cruel it's crass i don't actually think this way but i just want to speak in a language you understand if you um if you stop going on like first dates and being like what do you think about putting people in gray buildings and taking the way and then the girl says I think that's bad and then you go I think you're stupid if you don't do that you might have a completely different life yeah I don't know and in your video you kind of like you first off address like it's way past the sex thing it's like they've gone completely like it's past in cell it's like I actually don't even want to be around it's not about dating anymore it's just like kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill But if you haven't gotten there yet, just buy one nice shirt, you know, have one or two good opinions.

I have a lot of bad ones. And I'm married. I have a beautiful wife. We are a beautiful honeymoon next week. I don't know how to tell you guys this. This is my message. As I was telling you, the Tony Robbins of Insel thing. It's like, I want to travel the country and I just want to be like, guys, get one nice button up, one nice pair of slacks, one nice pair of shoes.

And that's like the people like, that's look max. No, it's not. It's called going to Coles. He's going Coles Cash. And they're like, you know. It looks bare minning. Yeah, it's literally taking a shower and shaving and getting a nice pair of shoes. And then don't have the first thing that comes out of your mouth be like...

I'm Hitler's top guy. I'm Hitler's top guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but like the... So, like, I got like... I was watching the video and I wanted, like... I wanted you to, like, kind of... Because I would do a lot of blabbered.

Like, how do you think all of this not ends, but like, do you think... we're in the eye of the storm or do you think clav is just like or people like him toge those guys do you think that they're like the beginning of a new wave of person like a new archetype of digital content creator i think it's kind of but we're definitely in the eye of the storm right now i was saying it's it is in cell winter for like whatever conier does next is going to be the next thing so tony phil yeah he's the five-year plan like you know 2022 now every instagram comment is can you believe what Kanye said? It's like, yeah, that's what the president said.

Like, it's all very much whatever he's doing. I do think art is coming back, though, like with like just obsessions in like a back room. Just like, I went to the theater. It was jam-packed. I haven't been to a full theater since COVID. I saw an obsession alone the night it came out and it was packed. Yeah.

I was like, I felt like I saw uncut gyms right before the city, the country shut down and that was like a feeling. Yeah, that was the last one. Like since COVID, it's been me and maybe three other people at the movie theater. This is the first time. it's like, yeah, I'm like laying down all the way in the theater, just fucking like, you know, side, like, now it's fucking shoulder to shoulder. Yeah, yes.

Yeah, I do think there is a desire for that to come back and kind of like towards effort or editing or some sort of art thing. But it's still going to exist, like all these live streamers, they're going to fucking run it until the fucking wheels come off. Yeah, yeah. But I do think there is kind of like, you know, during all like the woke stuff, is like, oh, the pendulum's going to swing. It's swung.

It's doing a 360. Yeah. I do think there is going to be like a comeback of written or any sort of like artful direction. I mean, I like, I don't think people like, oh, it's a culture is a pendulum that swings like left to right. I think it's an axe. I think it goes left and I think the state grabs it and smashes you over the head with it until you believe right wing stuff again. Like, I go back. I tell you this same thing all the time.

I'm like this happened in the 20s with the first Red Scare. And then like, then it was like, you know, the 40s and 50s of like America. And there was like the second Red Scare. And then it was like America again and the Norman Walkwell stuff. And then in the 60s you have counterculture. And there's all the stuff with like the anti-Vietnam war movement. And then that lasts for like. Till Manson.

Yeah. Well, like, well it lasts until like the mid to late 70s when oh, it becomes like Van Halen, fast cars, cocaine. Yeah. Like, you know, getting pussy. Like who gives it? Oh, the Vietnam War protest? That was 10 years ago.

Brother, come down to Miami. The CIA is selling cocaine at the border and you can do whatever you want. Like it was a, and then the 90s hit, right? And we all go back to like, no. And then the 80s was just franchises and shitty movies and fucking like just like completely culturally and morally bankrupt politics, the death of American labor, the death of the American Union. And then the 90s hit and you get fucking all these movies about how.

fight club, office space, the matrix, about how this lifestyle that you had in the late 80s, early 90s of the cubicle with a nice apartment, you still feel dead inside. Yeah, it's kind of vapid and empty, just like that on wee. I've seen posts from like kids that are like, they show like a picture of like Fight Club,

and it's like, oh, I have a well-paying job in a house. I'm going to kill myself. It's like now it's just like so, to even consider that like a problem. Yes. At that point. Even like old like Judd Apatow movies, I feel like they're like,

inspiration like god i wish that was my problem i fucking you know i have a icy relationship with my wife and i own like a record label right company like it's so not even a fathomable issue to have like you guys had a manhattan loft and all of you were baristas like but but i think but but then again i think some of those critiques missed the point of those movies where it's like even with all of this we had this and we felt nothing we hated our government we hated because because we all knew through some weird, like whether it's in your spirit or whatever, that it was fake. And then you have like rage against the machine and all these movies that are like anti-government. And then 2001, we'll put a boot in your ass.

It's the American way. And I think all of these eras of left or right-wing political culture, they get shorter and shorter because the Toby Keith only really lasted until about 2008. Obama gets elected. And then that lasts about another eight years. And then you have the Trump cultural area, which I think. think I think even though Biden won in 2020, I think we were still in like the right wing cultural dominance. It is just kind of exacerbated as he became president again.

But now it's like it's going back to where like people are like, oh yeah, I don't. Black Widow 5 is out. Can anybody have any other ideas? And now you're seeing big production movie production companies being like, okay, well, the cap shit stuff's going away and people are tired of the like, you know, kind of rapid Oscar bait movies that are like they feel like good movies but then you watch them and you're like this was just attacks right off so Oscar Isaac could be like I don't know a depressed like IT guy like this doesn't there's no substance to this um I think we're I agree with you I think the light

is at the end of the tunnel but I'm always concerned about like how long does that light last yeah and I do think the MAGA stuff was more popular like 2020 2021 especially as a backlash to COVID and it's like now that they're in power and Nothing is getting better for anybody. It's getting like markedly, materially worse. Yeah, yeah. People are kind of starting. Now it's kind of like balkanizing on the right too.

Like mag is like completely like fractured. Because before when it was just like a counter, it was just an abstract. It wasn't for anything. They're just like not this. Not live. Whatever this is, I don't like it. So that's the, this is going to be the antidote. Yes.

And then the antidote was poison. Now it's just so much like worse than you're like, okay, well what was I even fighting? I just wasn't happy. And then this wasn't the plug that I thought it was going to be. Right. So now I feel like there's going to be kind of the post nut clarity of just like, well, what the fuck? What was that?

And all these guys that are like, like Tucker, for example, it's like I'm always like, it drives me, gives me fucking like blood pressure problems. When people in my life, well-meaning people are like, Tucker calls and it's starting to make a lot of sense. I'm like, do you think he's a CIA washout? there's no such thing as a, like that John Kiriaku guy that's all over the internet, I hate him. Yeah. I'm so curious about him.

But people are like, well, he spent 30 months in a federal prison and now he's an ex-CIA whistleblower. And I'm like, there's no such thing as X-CIA. Yeah. There's no, I don't, do you know who's X-CIA? Dead bodies. Like, like, there's like, now are there guys? Like, he went on this interview, I forget the name of the podcast, but him, him and this other X-CIA podcast. as a guy, Andrew Bustamante.

He's the guy with the big kind of Hurley. Fettie Kravitz. Yeah, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. They were these, they were like going back and forth and Andrew was like, you sworn oath to your country and by whistleblowing, you portrayed it. And John Kiroki was like, no, I stood up for what was right. Fuck my country, whatever. And like, all the comments were like, man, you know, this CIA guy. And I'm like, guys, like, every time I feel like we're all so close to grasping it, there's a new trick or there's an old trick that.

if they find a new way to do where I'm like, that guy, that guy needs to be in a hole in the ground. Like all that, like these are not people that you should get behind. Like, Tucker Carlson, just because he says that the war in Israel

or like the genocide in Gaza is bad and he regrets supporting Trump, he also regretted the Iraq war. Like his finger is to the wind and I don't think he's stupid. I think like people that I think are left wing are libertarian maybe. Maybe they're just anti-Mogg.

I think they make the mistake if they think that, Everyone is just as dumb as say Cash Patel or Pete has said. No. Stephen Miller is a bright guy. And Tucker Carlson is a smart guy. Like, they're able to see kind of the tapestry being unwoven two or three years before it happens.

Yeah. So they're seen as like, Candice Owens is seen as this like, oh, like, she's, I thought she's right wing, but now she's saying stuff about like socialized medicine and stuff. And it's like... They can kind of see the upcoming Nuremberg just rats jumping ship. They're like, I'm so inside. know how this is going to end and I'm just going to distance myself preemptively or they're doing I mean I think at least with Tucker and guys like Nick Fuentes it's like this is this is the same thing that

Mussolini did and Hitler did when they were really trying to take power wrench power away which is that they took all the ideas that like the German socialists communists or the Italian communists had and they said these are our ideas and we put those guys in jail because they're bad these are our ideas yeah just national socialism because socialism did have motion and clotsers like, oh, we're going to take socialism away from the socialist and do it. Like, it was like this, like this populist movement. Like, oh, we're actually the real like populists. Yes.

And then just completely warp and twisted. Yeah. And then once they took power, the exact opposite, I mean, Hitler, like, privatized all this shit, whatever. Like, my point being is, like, I think that's kind of what's happening where it's like there was this moderate kind of memey fascism that sped ran itself. Like, it did a speed run of its own demise. It like, I mean, they were stacking.

Like, I'm not going to lie. I was watching this shit, obviously, like everybody else, with Doge and Venezuela and all this. Like, they were stacking Ws. Like, I totally, by the way, like, as of today, like, we got our, we got butt fucked in Iran. Like, we were giving them $300 billion. Yeah. Straight of Hormuz opens up. No more bombing.

Like, they were just smacked. Like, they, they stacked a bunch of Ws and now the writings on the wall. J.D. Vance is going on the view. Peter Thiel's fucking off to Argentina. Like, Alexander Carp is, like, trying to figure out ways to not be. like carry a sword everywhere at his job. Palmer Lucky's like laying low. I think all these guys that were like,

oh, we're getting our techno-fascists. We're getting our minority report. It's like, yeah, you fucked it up for yourself because you hired like 19-year-old cokeheads and then you hired like guys who dropped out of the police academy to body slam white women into the concrete. Like the whole one, the thing about like, like, what's the book? Like black, what's it called?

Black Marxist or whatever. They were talking about like, when when the hammer like starts to hit the nail of like white suburbia that's when the country like actually wakes up because white suburbia doesn't care about black people that care about brown people or gay people the videos of ice like in white neighborhoods like shooting like less lethal rounds into like people's like you fucked you you fucked it up for yourself there was one video uh who was the fucker's name not tom homin the other like Greg bovino yeah Greg bovino he was spraying this like green gas at like protest. I'm like, this is the green goblin. Like to think that that's the good guy. I'm like,

those fear toxins. Yeah, it was insane looking. Yeah. Just the visuals of it. Also, he's like five, six. Yeah,

he's like, you're gonna get it. And then just like gassing like women and like just like white women in like Minnesota. Yeah. Just like this evil fear toxin over them. Just like, all right,

I even if you hate women, it's like that's a little. Well, also like I think they drastically overestimate like, I always, this is just a number I'm pulling out of my ass but I'm like I think they drastically overestimate how many like

true to life like actual fascist psycho because like most conservative guys I know they like they're like uh they've got like a gay cousin and then it's funny they call them a fag like whatever like they go but I think Twitter definitely skews their perspective especially with all

the bots on it too how much here is like yep this is the next this is the fourth rike we're here this is a 100% on my timeline perfectly curated for me because I only interact with Agartha remixes. Yeah, yeah. Where Agartha's coming.

Yeah, yeah. But then it's like you go outside and they're like, who's the president? Like people are just so disengaged. Like people that have voted for Trump like three times. They're like, I don't know. I have like a swimming pool. I don't want to pay like more taxes and stuff. Like they're really not as bought in.

Beer's and burgers are real expensive. So I hope they run a different guy. Yeah. And you're like, you're like, oh, I mean like the lump and prolete, whatever the fuck term you want to use, it's like these guys that were like just four years ago like like, there's a lot of them that are like, yeah, I mean, like, this shit sucks and like, you know, whatever.

Like, people who willingly sin their son, like there are people in this country who are plenty of them. I think, my guess, around 20 to 30 million who would happily, happily watch, like, jackbooted thugs walk down their street and execute people. They would be like, they would be so fucking happy to see it.

But that's like 10% of the country, max. 10% of the country. country, less than eight. I think these guys were really banking on that 20 or 30, like somehow like growing. But it's like, no, dude, you, you scared, not only did you scare the young hoes, you scared white suburban moms. You can't do that. They're a very important voting block.

White suburban, like white wine Xanax moms, they love voting. And they love voting conservative sometimes. And they love voting with Democrats sometimes depending on how much violence they're seeing on the TV. Yeah. And if they're in Milwaukee or Wisconsin, or they're in Ohio, and a street, two streets or a neighborhood, maybe 20 minutes down the road from them, they're watching footage of like, is that Carol's house?

They just fired a green gas into Carol's house. Yeah, it gets real. Yeah, they're like, oh, who did this? Oh, the guy I voted for. Yeah, I'm not voting for him. And that's why I'm like, I don't know if it's going to get any bad. I don't know. Do you see that Benny Feldman joke that he just put out where he was just talking about

like comedy? like, oh, it's just a joke, it's just a joke. They're at your door. Oh, yeah. Then it's like, whoa, okay. Ben had one that was like, when people were posting the black square for George Floyd, he was like, I, he's like, I got a bunch of my leftist friends online that are arguing about whether or not you should post a black square while tanks roll down their street.

So I was like, people were like, I had friends that were like, you know it's black square posting day. And I was like, I, like, I, dude, I'm like, this is my thing with people. Like, I know, like, 99% we agree on. politics but some people in the space dude that i'm like like it's it's uh it's it's it's the days the day that we um don't purchase from amazon and we post black squares and i'm like just like putting lamb's blood on the door yeah it's like it just passed over this one yeah i'm like i'm like dude you guys all talk about like some people that i know like talk about like how brutal the soviets

were and like dude like linen would call you gay like i i have people of mind that like larpe being kind of like these are friends of mine we blah blah blah blah but they're a little larpy and they're like well during the october revolution i'm like this isn't russia in nineteen 17 i'm sorry it's not like there's not this it's weird like the one-to-one relationships people make with things that they learn about 30 seconds ago like after charlie kirk got shot they're like well there's years of lead that's just what it is it's like you just learned about years of lead four minutes ago you're like well of course naturally this is this is exactly what happens every time it's like were you on the pulse of years of lead like you're like you're you on the pulse of years of lead like you

you're like a scholar on this all of a sudden with absolute certainty. They're like, oh yeah, there's just going to be mines. Like when you go to the bank or whatever, there's just going to be like nail bombs. And it's like, so convinced. I think that it's possible that if there isn't a course correction,

we're in the genesis of, the very early days. Like when I was in Ireland and I was talking to people, like one of my tour guide was like older lady and she was talking about how the trouble started. And it was like this where it's like, there's a bombing here and like a shooting here. and like gangs of like teenagers

that are getting into like the warrior style knife fights and like working class Irish neighborhoods and then there's Protestant neighborhoods it's like it started that way and then it became quite literally like through the provos and all the Ulster defense groups like a low level guerrilla war but it and then same thing with the years of lead

it's like a lot of that was I mean a lot of that was like us like a lot of that was like CIA like fucking Oplac Gladiot but my point is it's like I think it's totally possible they're doing Gladiow here I think it's totally possible. I mean, I was running with this theory for a while that, like, I don't know if I believe it anymore, but I was like, yeah, trigger some kind of cultural civil war,

let it last six months, and then people will be begging Peter Thiel to put, like, microchips in their homes. Yeah, I mean, the-begging for the surveillance thing. The fucking, like, flock cameras after there was just some, like, shooting in, like, Austin or whatever, and just Mark Andreessen going on with, like, absolutely, he's like, yeah, yeah, the woke police department,

they wouldn't let us do it, you know, because they thought it was rink. races, like activating all the buzzwords to get, like, libertarian, uh, don't tread on me guys to be like, yeah, we need an authoritarian police state actually because of the woke. Please. The woke is the reason that we need a flock camera pointed at my front door at all times. That's why I'm like, that egg-headed fucking bad idiot. But like, I'm like, you guys, you fomented this thing.

And yes, there are plenty of militias and people that are like, want to go to the Civil War, whatever, and I'm like, but I'm like, I don't, these guys, they all fancy themselves student of history. And I'm like, okay, so what happens? What happened? Okay, let's take the three fascist governments the last hundred years. So let's take the Japanese Empire. Let's take, uh, like the Italian, you know, whatever.

Let's take, okay. So they all had a good 20 year run. Because I'm going, uh, what's that guy? Steve Bannon. Yeah. He was like, uh, there's not going to be any more midterms. We're in power and power for a long time. I remember like I blackpilled so much that I came back around to being an optimist

where I was like, okay, let's say that you're right. Let's look at like the last 120 years. Let's look at Italy. Let's look at Japan. Let's look at, blah, blah, blah, blah. Let's look at Germany. So there is like some civil unrest. There's this tear between the right and the left or whatever.

There's kind of a small scale. Maybe there's not a civil war, but there's this kind of tension. And then the right wins. And then they're in power for 20 years and they do a lot of bad stuff and they kill a lot of people. Then what happened to all of them? Like, because I think to myself, like, how long is 20 years? That's how long, 30, that's how long the third Reich lasted. I mean, look at Mussolini's Italy.

How long did it last? I mean, and then when people are like, the Japanese Empire lasted of that. No, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about, like, the World War II era, like that version of... Yeah, the rising sun, imperial. Yes, Imperial. Yeah. Imperial Japan. These were 20, 34-year projects.

Look, I'm 32 or whatever. I'm like, how long is 20 years, really? Let's say you get what you want. You know what happened to all the guys that you think are so cool? They all blew their brains out or they were gutted in the street like sick pigs. Within enough time for your kids to like they gutted you and then they turn to your son and he's 23. And they're like, like, and I'm like, you guys don't know. Like because culture moves so fast, like you're going to be on the chopping block in 10 years.

I think they've already convinced themselves into a paranoia that they're all on the chopping block and it's coming so they're just trying to do the fucking turbo button they're just hitting the gas on it now they're like well we already have it so we're fucking these people so hard if they realize it we're already dead so we just need to build the apparatus and these people like fucking peter teal like as much nationalism as they're pushing he just fucks off to argentina yeah like he's just fucking got they have no nationalism they'll fucking half of them are south africans it's like peter teal like all these guys it's all like all this America first, they're just like fomenting the rage here to like their ends.

They don't actually care about America. I don't know what Peter Till knows about Argentina, but I'm like, you know the communist there will kill you. Like what I think of, that move specifically is so funny to me because, sorry, but I'm like, the left in America is like toothless, neutered castrate. There's whatever. Like one or two guys, like, if you think Puylo Robertson took the shot of Charlie for real, then okay, cool.

That's one. Luigi Mangione was not a left wing guy. he was like a peptide guy he was a clavicular which is so funny but anyway I'm like you're gonna fuck off to a country by the way

where like I know that you think you're gonna like you're gonna like kind of wag the dog and like appeal to fucking Javier Meles crew but like you know that there are like still guerrilla leftist in Argentina who will like bomb your car

and you know how those little morning jogs you like to go through in Manhattan in Seattle you try to do that and like historically left wing they'll blow your, they'll still shoot you. Yeah. Like I, that's why, like, I don't think they understand, like, go to a, I don't know, go to fucking, is, what's a, I can't think of a play, go to, I don't know, you could do it

the UK or whatever, you could stay here and do it. We're not going to do anything to you, but I, like, the, the, like, the, I don't know, and I'm trying to, not, I'm not trying to book in it, but like, the full circle stuff with, like, the, by the way, that was another thing I was going to bring up at the beginning of the thing, especially with the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the obsession with aesthetics at like the death i don't say the death of empire because i think america could limp on another half century but like the obsession with like personal aesthetics when there is nothing left for you to gain when you have no gainful employment when like

the idea of a home is so like distant to you you're like yeah and those six-pack abs smooth pubs just a smooth kendall yeah yeah cheekbones higher than fuck um i'm I'm going to get the kind of surgery to make my eyes like a crystal blue. And I'm going to get cheek implants. Like you do all this stuff because like material things. I think millennials like have this arrested development problem precisely because we were denied all of these like family. Or sorry, you know, college job, home family. We're all stuck at 22.

Yeah. When you think back to like the like the 70s or the 80s, it would be like, oh yeah, I'm like a muscle car guy. Like you would like work on like your Mustang or Camara that you bought from like mowing lawns and high school. school and you had all these like consumerism things to like define yourself as now we can't really buy anything anymore yeah like it just all goes to like bills rent fucking you know insurance whatever so now it's just like yourself your identity is all that you have so whatever niche like oh i'm an eco-fascist post left is what like that's the new like because you can't afford a fucking Mustang anymore so you have no Ford Chevy alliance you're either like a tankie or a you know

whatever like you just have to pick a I don't know niche internet terror cell that you have to like align with and then never really do anything but you just support it whenever it happens yeah they posted each other they like posted each other and like again like i you know i know people who do this and i'm like it drives me crazy and when we were talking about earlier where it's like people on the right and like the far right and the far left there's a certain subsect of them that's like on the right it's like yeah i'm gonna be in charge I'm going to be in charge of prison camp freedom. I'm going to be the director of it's like,

no, I mean, if there was a real civil war between the two, like, or if there was a revolution, like you would be a dead body number 540,000. Like, you know, after the communist revolution, I'm going to, I'm going to be, I'm going to work at a museum. It's like, no, you're going to gurgle on a bunch of your own blood and phlegm because you're going to be a trench and there's going to be like a NATO around in your lung.

And your buddy's going to be like, ah, ah! And then he's going to do some kind of anime six, seven things. Doing Fortnite dances on your body. As you're dead, you're going to be like, like, whatever the fuck. I think, like, the video footage of that might actually curtail it to fucking... I don't think these things are going to last as long because you're actually faced with the reality of it now. Just looking at, like, the live leak footage of, like, the Ukraine-Russian war, of somebody in a trench,

and then he's, like, begging for mercy to, like, a drone. Like, there's this one video. It was this guy that was, like, his leg was all fucked up. he was just smoking a cigarette, then his buddy was playing dead next to him. And then he looks at the drone, and then he's like, just take it, he's still alive,

get him, not me, kills him, comes back, Cirque's around, just kills that other guy anyway, just sold out his friend for absolutely no reason, still died. It's like, to see that and then be like,

where's that happening? Sixth Street? No, no, I'm actually gonna stay here. I'm just gonna play Eldon Ring. Yeah, I don't really wanna. I've heard, I've heard people say, I've heard the,

like, yeah, you know, you see that first FPV footage of an American, and speaking American English like, please, no, no, no, and it's like, I think that would fuck up a lot of people. I also think there's like, again, 40, 50 million people who'd be like, please put that on the biggest TV screen in my house. Yeah. You know, like it's just true psychopaths. Yeah, you think like with Aaron Bushnell, remember the kid that set himself on fire in the military uniform, that should be the thing where it's like, okay, this is like a middle class white American guy in his army uniform. that should trigger some sort of sympathy

where he's like, oh, what's happening to me is a thousand times worse happens in Gaza every day. Mamed instantly. Yeah. Taken with no consideration. Nobody remembers that guy at all. So, like, his face melting in the military uniform. You think that would be like, oh, that actually looks a lot like my son.

They'd be like, fucking dumbass. Like, there was no, there was no connection whatsoever. The monk who did for the Vietnam War, that became like the most recognizable photo. Yeah. The monk set himself on fire, whatever. Like, I mean, dude, the king of, this. I think maybe, and I've been talking to people about this,

there have been a lot of bad deaths. Mussolini died in a bad way. Gaddafi died in a bad way. Yeah, knife up the ass. I think Charlie Kirk might have had the worst death in human history. Yeah. Because not only do you get your neck blown out by a 30-odd six round, supposedly. Like, people are like it was a microphone bomb.

I'm like, okay. But like, I've seen gifts of Sasha Gray. the old porn star getting fucked and then the camera pans to her and it's charlie's face yeah it's like it is a version of hell yeah like he's in this weird digital purgatory where he's like still there and it's like a laughing stop it is like the like i can't think of another word besides hell where you're living on through death of everybody just like mocking you in this weird like camera steals your soul type of way. Like his soul is like encoded on an N-gram like cyberpunk for people to fucking like play with like a marionette doll. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For like the rest of like eternity. It's like like like like, like, I remember like,

Benny Johnson and all these right wing guys are being like you have no idea what you've done. Like we were, we tried to be nice and now the gloves are off like well they're eating crumble cookie. Yeah. Christy Noam had that like one of a one of ours all of yours thing that she was doing for a little while that literally like Nazi slugging. And I was like, okay let's see what happens and all that happened was like every time i open my phone i see either um that scene from seven when it's like what's in the box and it's like Charlie kirk and he's like opening up a thing of donuts yes it's like or it's like a porn star with his face on it or it's fucking the iron man meme where he's like and it's charlie kirk in the fucking iron man suit it's like

this guy dies in front of the whole world and like there's no great reckoning he's just and i think part of the reason I think this is the case is that outside of the people who drink the Kool-Aid, the Maga Kool-Aid, everybody knew he was a clown. Like in the same way that Jake Lang, he's the new guy. Yeah, yeah. Like people were like, Charlie was the good man and he loved God. No, he would go to college campuses and he would like, because, yes, I'm not saying he was the smartest guy in the world, but he necessarily wasn't stupid.

He would find a kid who was very clearly went to college to smoke weed and get pussy and make paint. on the way to a comp one class. Yeah, yeah, and be like, I disagree with me on abortion. And then like, same thing Ben Shapiro does. It's like, these were performers. Like, Stephen Crowder is not a political person.

He's a performer. Like, Jake Lang is not a, he goes up in front of city council in like, beauty of Texas and it's like, no mosques, whites only. And then all of the, like, guys in actual cowboy hats are like,

can we, somebody get this young man? Like, when Charlotte the builder was walking down Nashville and was like saying the hard R and went up to that old dude that was running one of the, like oldest honky talk bars with the cowboy hat and like the hand literally like you look at it

it i remember and he's like i don't really like that type of stuff the guy walked the guy was like get out get out of the front of my bar and he was like i'm on public property get mocked old old fat or whatever yeah yeah i was like get out of get oh get all get away from me or i'm gonna go get the police the guy's like go chud's like go get him and the cop it tells him to leave whatever and it's like like you there are conservative people that are like whatever their version of conservatism is like i don't agree with it i don't like it whatever i don't like it whatever whatever, you are disgusting to those people. Like, these are people who just go to church on Sundays, they eat barbecue, whatever.

They, like, we'll put a boot in your, maybe they're, maybe they're foreign policy ideas aren't the best, but, like, they don't want to, like, hang gay people. Yeah. You're not winning, you know what I mean? And, like, and that's what I, like, this pivot, I think there's going to be a bigger pivot away from, like, in kick and rumble from politics stuff. Have you seen, like, Dean, that guy that gets knocked out by, like, UFC fighters, Dean the Great.

No, I haven't seen that one. So his thing, the way that he got famous on Kigg was he would go up to like ex-UFC fighters or ex-boxers and he'd be like, you're a pussy. And then he'd be like, hey man, like, I'm an old man. Like, why are the cameras here? Like, can you? And they would ask, like, Rampage Jackson,

ex-UFC fighter, he'd be like, Dean, you got to chill. Like, you can't fuck with some of these guys. And then the guy would like slap, like, for real, slap him or like elbow him in the head and knock him clean out. And I think there's been. be like a pivot away from the politics stuff to like almost like ow my ball i hate to be a not like a like a kitchy like hat guy but like out my balls idiocracy shit or the clav thing of like please watch this

21 year old man autistically or you'll see streamers now they're going up to like homeless people on skid row and giving them machetes and then they pull up rain bet on their phone to do like the gambling ads they're like oh here's some whiskey here's it here's a shooter here's a machete go nuts that shit is so crazy to me dude it's so like beyond squid games evil like yeah yeah i'm like that's the race to the bottom shit that's where that ends up so it's like are you gonna engage with that like are you gonna be crazy like to stand out you have to be the craziest guy you can't do a water down version of what already exists you have to amplify it and up it yeah where do you go after giving the homeless guys machetes and whiskey yeah yeah i mean

well i mean you what's the john wick the bowery like they just become like hitman yeah or whatever, I don't know. I like, I I try to be optimistic where I'm like, okay, this is just, we're in a weird moment, like, part of me, there's this guy, I don't know if you know him, he was a comedian here, he's in Mike Dayday. He's like, I love him to death. We were like, he's like, don't you miss the Obama era man? And I was like, not really. I mean, we have ice because of him. And he's like, yeah, but like, seriously, man, Ubers were five bucks. Nobody thought

about war. Like, don't you mint? He's like, yeah, we bombed children. But like, dude nobody we didn't think about it all day politics wasn't this thing like and I was like no I don't agree with you but I see what you're saying and part of me worries is that we go back to that where it's like well somebody will get elected just the silent atrocities as opposed to just live streamed into your brain like 24 seven like all the footage of like fucking screeching eagle bomb hitting like because the foreign policy is not going to change no that's completely off the table we are still building the casino on gaza yeah yeah yeah like the Indian burial ground just like yeah and also like we're not going to give working people more money like you're not

things aren't going to get cheaper like whenever there's like economic crises and the companies are like we could charge more we can charge more we can charge more the prices never go down yeah just like oh we solved it but you we saw that you can pay for it you did have the money so what the fuck are we going to do that would against that would go against our shareholder responsibility so then i would get kicked off the if i actually made it cheaper i would be fired for my job because the underlying is something you have to maximize profits. Yeah, yeah. If you don't, you're fucking gone.

Well, it's like Pete Terry's doing this, like, employee co-op thing, and, like, everybody's like they're going to go under in, like, five years because of it. And they might. I mean, it's like, but it's, yeah, it's like, I see why there's this, like, nihilistic liberalism almost of, like, this nihilistic, like, Hillary Clinton of, like, let's just, do you remember when Brock was president and, like, yeah, you heard about the drone stuff, but it was like, oh, you read about it and you go, oh, that's depressing, and they killed an American citizen. but there's a party.

Dude, Brad's having a party on Saturday. Project X. Project X, baby. Like, it's like, I actually think, I think, if you, if we, there's a comparison to the, the generations. I think Gen Z is like redoing the 90s. And I think we, as much as I hate to say it, this, the millennial optimism, I think we were the disco era, man.

All of the like, all of the like, uh, fucking passion pit and like, take me to your best friend's house. I also loved you there. I think we, and we were all hopped up on, like, pre-fentanyl cocaine. Like, like, I talk about Coke to my younger brother,

like my dad talked about Kwayludes to me. Like, where he's like, pure uncut. Yeah, yeah, I hit my dad would be like, God damn, boy, you missed out. That's a best drug in the world, and you'll never try it. And my brother's like, yeah,

I never really got into Coke because I had a bunch of guys, his friends just died. And I'm like, dude, it was all fucking shit. I didn't, like that. I think we were in the disco era. And I think

Ginzi took a little bit of the 80s. Like, they're doing the Miami Dijin thing, but, like, there's a part of it that's like, no, you guys are fucking stupid. Like, we can go one of two ways. They can keep the party going and kick the can down the road. Or they can, like, do the thing that, like, in the 90s where it's like, you make good art again for a little while.

Yeah. You get, like, people are like mad at geese for, like, being a sigh. I think people should stop saying the word Zioop. But, like. Yeah, it's like, you mean marketing. Yes. Yes. It's a marketer.

It's like, it's like, they're given. away 10% of their money for something. They do have to do something for you. It's like, why would you have all this, like, representation and shit? They did their job. Yeah. Because I organically like geese. Not organically.

I mean, it was put onto my phone, but after I gave it a chance, I go, I don't stick around. Yeah, yeah. So, mission accomplished. Now I actually like geese for geese, but whatever got there, it's kind of irrelevant. Yeah, yeah. And people are like, I think, well, my running theory is people are so used to getting ripped off in America. the steely dan see the glory of the royal scant like you're so used to being ripped off

that you want authenticity so bad i think that's why things like obsession and to some degree backrooms and like um widows bay like some of these shows from these people that are like internet people like you know i don't know if you know the show widows bay do you remember the babadook meme with the girl that was like i tried to show up to a Halloween party and i thought it was a costume party and it ended up being an adult's kickback so i came up dressed as the Bob a Duck. I thought something like that before. So she's the writer of this show on Amazon called Widowsman.

Great show. Incredible. And like, I hate to being like, TV's good again and movies are good again. So the world's good again. I'm just like, I am so depressed that I'm like, if we do have good. Yeah, I mean, even Steve Bannon talked about how like culture is upstream of politics. Yeah, yeah. So the culture of like the movies and like the entertainment, it does have an impact.

So I don't think it's that naive to think. optimistically about that. Yeah, it's a Gramsheet thing too where it's like it has to you know, like there's you can capture the state but if you don't have like the cultural way to like win people over.

I'm just like I'm like okay if we can just if we can just have like five good movies a year and then like maybe a couple good rock albums and then like if one of you guys can do health insurance I'll stop thinking about

redacted. I'll stop thinking about joining book book club. Oh, I thought I'm going to say, me. Yeah, we're good, we're good. He's like, I think I'm going to be traveling internationally later this year. I'm literally traveling internationally next week. So, yeah, I know, I was like, a book club. I was like, it's like, this is joking with Ben where I was just like, yeah, man, things get dark and I just think about joining a book club. I've said that to my wife before. Just like, driving home, I'm like, I just think about like if you got into like a car accident

or something and if you died, I'd probably join a book club. Like, I'm not going to keep doing, what, nothing's going to be funny anymore after my fucking wife is dead. I'm going to tell fucking, I mean, that's half my act already. Yeah, yeah, right, right, right. You're going to have to write a new 20 minutes? No, I'm going to take a one-way flight to a book club somewhere. Yeah, I'm going to take a one-way trip to a really cool tier two American city,

and I'm going to find a bunch of guys who love reading books. and I spent a lot of my teen years learning how to read books in a really efficient way and how to take books apart and put them back together and how to make books I was a critical reader I was a critical reader I learned how to take a normal book and then turn it into an e-book to where it goes really fast

trying to find a way to like so the ATF doesn't know like speaking in code you know and then we get together we just read speaking of books this is my cat's name by the way theodore kazinski teddy after the unibomber after it kind of came out that he was like he was like I felt I mean I already felt bad for the guy but like

oh the CIA torture yeah I mean he got he got mansson yeah like I'm not like Manson was a creep and a weird I read chaos a Tom O'Neill book great book but there was another one I haven't read it yet but somebody wrecked it to me I'm forgetting the title but it's essentially they make the same case but for Kaczynski where it's like

yeah I mean he was like they had this like experimental lab in MIT where like what they would do is they would take these kind of shy quiet kids so maybe call them like proto in cells that weren't doing well in school and they would do these social experiments where they would like hey come to this party and the professor would be involved like as a as like a guest of the party but really they were overseeing the experiment and they would invite guys like ted and and then they would throughout the course of the party like the kids would get liquored up and then they would the girls and the cool guys mock him publicly. Yeah.

Like make fun of him and call him a nerd and tell him that like none of the girls here think he's cool. And let's just see what happens because he has this brilliant 16 year old kid. And they would do this to other like guys at MIT and Ted just happened to become like the unibobber. But I remember reading about this shit and all the ass and stuff they put him through. And I was like, yeah, it's a prodigy. And the one thing where they had him write like a thesis that he worked on for like a year.

Like his whole like life philosophy, like this big dense work. And then they had people like, tear it apart, like completely destroy him, say every fucking point was stupid. The entire thing was like red underlined. And then they filmed it, like his reaction to them just like destroying his entire identity in worldview. And made him rewatch that. Like, he had to watch the, not only tear him apart, but then also have to like re-experience it of just like methodically tearing down his entire identity. They're like, just to see what would happen.

I think they try. We're curious guys. They did that to me. Did I almost get, I wrote my master's thesis. And then the day I go to defend it, they were like, this is. the biggest piece of dog should ever read my life. Yeah. And really what it was is they didn't have a problem with it, argumentative-wise. January 6th, it just happened, and it was

called Pressure Cooker on Political Violence and Insurrection. And I was, the whole thesis, I was like, you should be able to join a book club. And you should, and you guys should be able to make big books and leave them at people's doorsteps to read. And you should be able to give medals to people, and medals that go fast, whatever. And, uh, and then they, like tore it apart, maybe rewrite it. They made me write like a 20-page addendum to my own thesis that was like, I don't believe in any of this. I love voting.

I love voting. I believe in American democracy. I'm going to vote so fucking hard next time. I'm voting so much. And that's the only way I could graduate school. And I remember like talking to the dean and he was like, dude, January 6th just happened. And I was like, I've been writing this thesis for two years. I didn't know that the dumbest cocksuckers of all time were going to get tricked by the FBI into doing fucking anyway. I felt like that right in the like the clavicular thing too.

and then when he overdosed and I wasn't sure what happened to him being so like, oh, fuck, did I just waste like two months? I don't know if I could put this out if he's dead he's gonna be like in such poor taste. Pull through! Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You could do it. I woke up at like three in the morning just like, oh, and I checked my phone to make sure this poor gay boy is like, okay. I'm like, is he dead? I need my friend to pull through so I can viciously mock him in two months. So I can...

That video that you've had in the montage of him, it's my favorite video of him that I've seen. It's the one where he's in the limo and the girl's on the phone, and he's fucking geeking, dude. And he's like, and you can see he's like the meth and the test and all this. And she's just like,

and I'm like, dude, do you know how good at scaring hoes you have to be to have a six-pack? I'm going to go full insult mode here. Six-pack, money, fame, clout, GQ, New York Times, Harper's, the New Yorker, New York Post, CNN, they're all talking about you. And this girl is in a limo.

To still get... And she's... What the fuck. to look over and be like, yeah, she's fucking with me. And she's like, she literally would rather be hanging out with like the virgin guy. Just sending her location to every friend. Every guy that walks around campus like this. Just, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I almost used a Pendejo time clip before I talked to you. There was, I almost DM'd YouTube. I'm like, there's no way he remembers it. Because it was a random fucking video that I saw forever ago. You're talking about like incels and just like, uh, they're experience with what women are just watching nothing but like violent pornography all day every day the only girl you talk to is maybe your mom then you're just watching like the most depraved thing possible it's like well yeah that is logically you know if that's your fucking input what your

output is gonna be because they just have such a warped yeah you know input going in well i was like i mean i told thomas this and i was like i told it straight up and i've openly talked about this i was like if this if I was coming of age like when I was 14 like 13 14 like I was this I was coming out of this super repressive like religious environment where like you know it was like super homophobic and like super conservative and and like I was like this outcast kid because like I like whatever like long hair and I were like skinny jeans like no one would talk to me and like whatever and I and I like had all these like I was on the fucking computer from like oh my goodness kitty kitty cat and cozy on the backpack that's okay

I just didn't want her to get a hold of any of any of the wires or small things over there she's not really a biter I think it'll be okay okay cool not mostly for her her sake yeah but yeah like I remember being like if dude if this Andrew Tate shit would have hit when I was 13 I was into karate I was into fucking like but I wanted to be on a boat I wanted to be bald surrounded by like like well like when I I I mean surviving Patrice O'Neil yeah was enough because you're like this is the fucking man do I hate women yeah right yeah you're like yeah and I'm like the cult of the cult of black fill up and its consequences.

Exactly. Like I had this, I had this weird, like, self-realization where I was like, oh, I was prime target for this shit because I was like,

I was on the internet too early. I had this like really bizarre kind of religious upbringing and then like weird thing with like... Yeah, let me get it real quick. Oh yeah, no worries. No worries.

Kitty's playing with wires. You can just... Yeah. I appreciate it. Thank you. Like, I was like, Oh, I could have, because I think about it, it's like, I would love, as a kid, you're like, what's cool? When you're like 12, you're like, what's cool?

Money, red fast car, karate, my brother, my fucking brothers. You know what I mean? Like, that kind of stupid, like, my boys. The boys. And there's boat breasts. You know, and I like, you know, I'm so glad that I like, I think what happened is somebody showed me lonesome crowded West by modest malice. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you know what?

I'm actually not an angry insult. I think I just have depression. I'm a sad insult now. Yeah, I'm a sad. And then eventually they let you hit and you go, you know, women are right in my book. Hey, you know, we have the same thoughts, you know what I mean? Are you telling me they also like lonesome crowd in West? I've never heard of such a thing.

I've never, dude, it was like sometimes, I mean, I'm fucking fully like in my 30s and I'll like, I'll say something and my wife would be like, what the fuck did you just say? And I'm like, yeah, you know, like, you ever get like so mad that you like, you'll be at HV and you can't think so you like, you like, you're like, God, like, you know, like, before anyone could stop me, I could like, you know, grab this guy in front of me by the head and I like just headbut him and tell anybody. And she's like, I'm like, those are called intrusive thoughts, right? And she's like, I have intrusive thoughts, but I don't have them like that. And I go, oh, that's the, that's the poison. That's the demon.

That's the, like, that's the thing that I think a lot of young men latch on to and think is a good thing where it's like, no, like, want an acts of violence make you a man. Like all the fucking operator podcast that are like, oh, you, uh, you, you, uh, you, you, got beat up during jujitsu and you broke your leg good oh your wife left you good it's like you guys are just masochists did you just say no masochist did you watch the military video that i did by any chance uh i don't i don't i don't think so i did a video essay on military propaganda too and i talked about some of those like vet fluencer operator podcast yeah yeah fucking john mcfee the biggest psychopath on the just gleefully talking just like oh yeah then we came in we kidnapped this guy's family his grandma's like oh no and he's telling this like a funny story it's like you you

You shoved a shotgun in an old lady's face. Like, you should be outcast from society. He has this story he told Rogan that I always point to where he was like, yeah, you know, when we first thought we had Saddam, we rolled up on his guy. You know, he had a couple of these mansions, right? And so, you know, we got bad intel, you know, those CIA guys, right? And so, you know, me, I'm pissed off. I haven't slept in 40 an hour.

So I see like 8, 10 of his butlers. I just fucking, I don't know, I'd roll him the fuck up, done. you know leave them in the middle of the fucking foyer there and it's yeah nice marble so the blood's everywhere we're slipping right and then i hear some noise in the kitchen so i turn around and i see two more guys dump into them kaka because what are you doing here and joe's like whoa it's like it's like it's like you're like he described the war crime yeah you just said these were non armed these were not so many times he's like oh yeah the press was there we almost shot the press it's like i wrote about this uh i did like a crackpot thing for truon and i kind of

touched on this where it's like I actually think back when we were younger and TV and cable was the thing the way that the army and the military recruited were like the godsmack commercials of the guys like repelling down there slang a dragon stand alone because everything is the phone now recruitment's been in the shitter for 30 years I think all of this like jaco willink David God I think it's so I do I like I just said don't say say say up I'm saying it correctly because do as I do as I do yeah I actually think it is a recruitment tool To get young men to like because for the first, interestingly enough, it's still declining, but it is a small uptick in military equipment in the last five years. And I think a lot of these like these podcasts or these guys are like, yeah, you know, I was 20 years old.

I had, you know, no aim in life. And then. Yeah, it goes along with the hopelessness. And it's just like, like, it is like a, like I grew up in the military like my dad was in the Coast Guard. We kind of did grow up in the most ideal of fantastic. version of like communism like living on a military base you are in like a successful commune yeah yeah like we had like morale boats you know just on the weekend you could take out like a boat for free we had robust after school programs they had like a teen center yeah and they had like

you know all your health care is covered all every you have dental everybody lived in this everybody's dad worked for the same company which is the government yeah yeah it was like authoritarian but like the nice version of like you can't cheat on your wife right like things like that And it's like to get this socialism, you just have to do a form of blood magic and convert dead Arabs into... You get rewarded with a little taste of communism if you kill enough Muslims. This doesn't apply to the Coast Guard naturally, but it's a, you know, that's the nice extension of it. The Coast Guard is kind of the loophole where you get the communist, you know, utopia that you read about. Right.

But then, yeah, the Coast Guard, if you're going to join the military, join the Coast Guard. Coast Guard. Yeah. Dress Nice, get pussy, and join the Coast Guard. I still, yeah, all those guys, like, we can end it here soon. We've been, we've got like a two hours. But, yeah, all those guys, I'm like, and also, like, John Shrek McPhee. Like, he had a big scandal come out where, like, he, like, allegedly beat his pregnant girlfriend.

And, like, Tim Kennedy lied about all of the bodies he stacked and, like, all these guys, it's like, if you, if you, for real killed people and blew up doors and rode dirt bikes in the fucking mountains, the Hindu Cush and protected opiate warlords. Why are you making up John Wick stories? And fucking American sniper saying he was shooting people during Hurricane Katrina. He said he was a lone gunman serial killer shooting

looters in Hurricane Katrina, which did not happen at all. It's like, why lie about it? But they're so twisted in the brain, they think that's like a cool, positive thing to do. Yeah. Yeah. Well, thanks for coming on, Jared. Plug your whole shit. Yeah. So I'm Jared Moore.

I do video essays on YouTube. The latest one is clavicular and the evolution of in-cell culture. So you check that out. I'm proud of it. And then I do stand up here and there. Patreon, all that. It's I am Jarrett Moore on Instagram.

Then you can just find Jarrett Moore on YouTube. Nice. Awesome, man. Well, thanks for coming on, dude. Thanks, brother. We'll do one of these. Peace.