Perfect Day with Jessica Knappett - EP 39: Nathan Foad

Episode Date: April 10, 2025

The wildly talented and utterly hilarious writer, actor and comedian Nathan Foad joins Jess this week to share his strong opinions on cooking, holidaying and the outdoors as a whole - he also shares his perfect day! You’ll recognise him from Newark, Newark (which he created!), Our Flag Means Death or a variety of other incredible shows, but today come along as we get to know Nathan, and his incredibly dry eyelids, just a little bit better. Like and subscribe for brand-new episodes every Thursday. Follow us on Instagram @perfectdaycast. And, why not get in touch? Email us at [e-mail] A Keep It Light Media Production Sales and general enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hello Perfect Dayers, I'm Jessica Knappett and you are skyrocketing your cortisol levels with those news notifications. Welcome to Perfect Day. Today I'm joined by the writer, actor, comedian, the glorious, hilarious, wildly talented Nathan Fode. He first shot to fame during lockdown with his frankly unhinged social media videos. And it was a much needed serotonin boost in those dark days. We talk about that a bit. Since then, he has gone from chip shop legend to small screen star. He's the creator of the gold sitcom Newick Newick where he plays a roller disco manager. You also might know

him as Lucius, the sassy, ship-bound scribe from HBO's R-flag Means Death. And he's also been in Bloods, Mandy, basically anything good and weird on the telly right now. Look, if you're familiar with the podcast, you'll know I don't always do formal intros. So what's missed off the start of this record is me complimenting Nathan on his radiant glow. We then spend five minutes solidly talking about moisturiser. I've left it in because if you don't like it, you can fast forward, can't you? But my feeling is, honestly, when else do you get to eavesdrop on two friends talking about skincare? Isn't that the beauty

of podcasts? Otherwise you just have to go to Superdrug and hang out in the beauty aisle. The point is, you're about to learn a lot about Nathan Fode's incredibly dry eyelids and I think that's okay. We're going to hear some very strong opinions on cooking, holidays and the outdoors in general. There's no need for me to explain anymore, just have a listen, enjoy, it's a great app. This is Nathan Fode's perfect day. I really firmly have this belief about myself. I could have won X Factor in like 2008. Alright then My friend I didn't realize that what I get this awesome my friend works for La Mer and gave me some La Mer products And I didn't realize one of the bottles is like 545 pounds Oh my god, it's what the fucking Kardashians use and then I put it on my face and I was like, oh right

It makes your face feel like silk. It's crazy what it does. It's called the concentrate and it's in this like really medical looking bottle and it really works. And welcome listeners by the way to perfect day. Nathan Fudge and I are discussing skincare because Nathan was putting on some moisture. If you don't mind me saying. No please. You are applying moisturiser to your eyes, directly to your eyelids before we began recording this podcast. I've got dry lids and I won't apologize for it. I have such dry eyelids. It's like the bane of my existence and you know what it is and this is actually a PSA to the listeners. Retinol.

I can't believe this is what I'm talking about. Retinol. I use, you know hydrocortisone cream that you use on eczema? It's like a steroid cream. It's like quite, people get addicted to it. It's really bad for you. It's really bad for you because it thins your skin. It thins your skin. I used to use it on my face, specifically around my eyes where the skin's already quite compromised. Why? Because I get eczema around my eyes.

So I used to be like, well, I put this on my eczema on like my arms and stuff. I can't believe I'm talking about eczema. And I used to just put it on the eczema around my eyes and it's thinned the skin to the point where like I have in certain lights been like, I think you can see my eyeballs through my skin. It's got like paper thin like up here.

It's translucent. You've got translucent eyelids. Well, you're the first person to come on the show with translucent eyelids. Thank God. But no, I actually relate to this because I also get... Do you get dry skin? Sometimes it just gets quite chafy around the top of my eyelids. What do you do though? You've got like perfect skin. What do you do? Bitch.

I just hydrate. I must drink a lot of water. No, I fucking stop drinking, haven't I? Completely. God, the shock in my voice. I know, it's disgusting. That is indicative of a deeper problem. Honestly, I would carry on being sober for the effect it's had on my skin alone, like purely on the basis of vanity. Fucking hell. It has genuinely transformed me, like the way I look. I'm not saying that I look amazing.

The devastation, the silence from you is so real. No, no, we don't want to hear it. We don't want to hear it. We don't want to hear it. But the truth is, I don't have to do as much as I did before to look okay. I'm not saying I look amazing. I just don't look as tired anymore. When was your last drink? 28th of December. Fucking hell.

We're recording this on the 2nd of April by the way guys. Cheers. Well done to you. Actually genuinely cheers to you. Thank you. Thanks. I do feel quite smug about that but I don't know if I'm going to do it forever. I did a hundred days. Well I'm still, I'm not quite at the end. I've got a few more days left and then it'll be a hundred days. I challenged myself to do it. Really impressive. Yeah I mean I've done Dry January. Yeah yeah I mean yeah I've done dry January. Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, we've all done. We're all giving up things. I did dry January.

And actually this January, you know what I did, which I am thrilled to talk about on the pod. I did a month cold turkey social media because it got to the point where I was like, this is, there's a darkness underneath all of this now. Like the fervor with which I was like on Instagram was like, it reached a fever pitch. and I just had to, I went completely cold turkey for the month of January. This January? Had never been happier. I slept better and

you know what the darkest thing is and I tell anyone that will listen because it's so dark. I started remembering my dreams. Stop it. Yeah. I started every single night I was having like vivid, exciting, like creative dreams and I hadn't had that for so long I never remember my dreams and suddenly it was like every single morning I would wake up refreshed, photo realistic memory of my dream. Instagram had been robbing that from me. Oh my gosh. Obviously I'm back on it now. Obviously back on it, straight back on it. I'm on it every day, every hour, every minute. That is, oh my god, that's that sort of very troubling really, isn't it? Oh, if I think about it too much, it makes me want to like go and live in the woods or like throw my phone in the Thames or something. I just can't think about it. free social media fame. But you must have a weird relationship to social media because it did make you famous.

Yeah. Well, thank you for saying famous. Yeah, yeah, I do have it. You're so right, actually. I do have a really weird relationship with it now. It's like whenever people, okay, people will ask me about the videos I used to make. And when people talk about like old Instagram comedy, character comedy on Instagram, I feel like if people bring it up in front of me, I'm smoking a pipe in the back of like a dark pub. And it's like the music cuts out and everyone's chairs scrape to look at me and I'm like, I remember her. Like, I don't know who the one in that character is. But that was West Country, not Jamaica, just FYI. I thought it was Irish.

I was like, oh, we're in an Irish, we're in Galway. But I'm like, the internet, fickle mistress, she is. I feel like I have these, I feel like I have a very different relationship with it because I- You were an early adopter. Yeah, and I sort of did it before it was like a thing that you could do for like a job like I never posted on TikTok right I

didn't have a TikTok I just did it kind of and I never really did it properly. You were on Instagram? And you were like big Instagram pre-TikTok right? Yeah it was a lot of the the like virality, oh god shoot me I'm red darts I'll be on my forehead and so much of this fucking kill me so I'm so grouchy but I a lot of the success that I had was actually on Twitter. It was like back when Twitter was still like nice and not like a horrible right-wing hellscape. And then a bit on Instagram. But now it's like a job that people do. So people have like managers that edit their videos for them and do the sub. I never even. Were you ever on Vine?

No, but I do remember Vine. Because I was remembering Vine the other day and that was TikTok. Yeah. And I used to look and people got really big on Vine and they must be furious. Yeah, well totally. I actually know a girl, a friend of mine in, shout out to her, I mean whether she'll listen to this I don't know, but her name is Hannah Pilkas and she was a Vine star. She's like a friend of mine in LA and she's now just like a working actress. She's like, you know, successful comedian actress, but she was like a big Vine star and I remember asking her about it and once it is like, it's like you're reaching into the past or something. So the way these trends do you remember, do you remember musically? Do you remember that? It was like music.ly.

Do you remember? Was that a voice? It was like a lip syncing thing. Yeah, yeah. Do you remember that? I used to teach drama, pause for laughs. I used to teach drama to kids and so like cartoonishly bad at it. Just like wanted to be all their friends. Oh, Mr. G. I was a was a complete, 100% Mr. G. To the point where I would, like the amount of times I had to stop myself from being like, I'll just do it, you watch, just copy me. And I, and they were like, all better actors than me, FYI.

And I used to teach these- Tug you out. I'll just tug you out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Freeze, I'll jump in, you sit down. I used to teach these two boys, these like twins, I think they're probably still quite famous, their names were like Max and something. And there were these

like very cute twin boys who I think had already worked, they'd been on like some West End shows or something, so they were like very precocious. And they began, shortly after I stopped teaching them, shortly after I was out of their life, the harbinger around their neck, that was me. They became like huge musical.ly stars, like massive, they made like a career, I think they like toured. I swear I remember them like doing, like they were posting about like some gig they were doing in New York.

And they were doing a lip syncing gig. Yes, it was just them like doing, I guess like funny lip sync videos, but they could also sing, so it was weird. I didn't really understand the mechanics of it. And then did you deliberately back away from social media? I still was quite active on it up until my big break, or until my big breakup with it at the end of December,

but I backed away from making online stuff, mainly because I was already a telly writer before I did all of that but because I then got cast in a show in America off the back of that that was then like it's a cool narrative obviously I understood. This is Our Flag Means Death. Our Flag Means Death. Yeah that's very funny. Pirate comedy. My tiger like is it? I mean unbelievable. There's no other way of describing it other than a pirate comedy like I got cast in that show off the back of like Tyker finding me online. So it was like, it then became like this really defining thing in my life and my career, obviously. But then the story became, I would go into like meetings and stuff.

I would go into generals with production companies and there were genuinely a few times where people would be like, have you ever considered writing? I think you'd be really, and I'd be like, oh, I've been writing for years, but I think people thought I was like, I remember one time someone using the word influencer to describe me and I was like, I was, I've got to get, it was like a real wake up moment where I was like, oh, I've got to really reframe this narrative because I can't have people thinking I'm like a TikTok influencer who's now trying to be a writer. Like I was like, that's hell to me.

So I kind of did back away from doing it. And also, I'll be honest, and this is no shade to anyone who does it, but it's like, it's no life doing that. It's just not. It is fucking misses. It is so, there is something about it being like a slave to the algorithm, as we all are, we're all slaves to the algorithm. We have to be slaves to the algorithm to get like doctor's appointments or whatever you know what I mean it's like we all live in just like virtual hells yeah but I found it just affected my mood too much

like if I would make a video and and it wouldn't do well or something I felt like I'd someone had like pulled my pants down in the town square or something do you mean it's such a humiliating feeling so I was like I cannot do this anymore there's such, and other people do it very happily, but I was like the lack of dignity in this. It felt really undignified to do it. It felt like I was like screaming into the void, like dancing feverishly being like this, you know, and it was just like not for me. I had to stop doing it. You haven't taken everything down. No, no, it's all still up there. I think most of it probably exists on like Twitter.

I mean, I should just delete my Twitter account, but I haven't used Twitter in so long, but it's all on there. I actually think a lot of people, a lot of our flag fans, like lifted the videos and they're on YouTube and stuff now, I think. Because I think like certainly from my perspective, like obviously as a viewer, it didn't come across as desperate. It just came across as really entertaining and really funny and really needed in lockdown. Like for me, you were one of those like people who saved lockdown.

Oh my god, that's so nice. Because you were so funny and I didn't know how you were doing it. When everyone else seemed to be just crumbling, you were like making just hilarious video after hilarious video. And there was like, there was a few of you. And I just was like, I don't know how anybody's doing this because I can't write a single funny thing. I think I messaged you about it.

But I will have been one of perhaps a million people. No, I do know you very sweetly because you know my agent, you know Ligea and you reached out, I'm very specific. I did it the professional way. You did, you reached out to my agent and she sort of emailed me and was like, oh, Jess, Jess, I'm happy.

Actually, that was quite chic of me. It was really chic and it felt really like, I was like, here we go, the offers are gonna start rolling. I was like so excited. It was such a cool thing. Yeah, but I, and I just remember thinking, you've got like the magic. Like if you can do that during this horrendous time, then you've got like the magic, like if you can do that during this horrendous time,

then you've got something really special. And I sort of saved you up. I like stored you in the back of my mind. I was like, I just hope that we get to work together on something one day. And then just recently, Nathan and I got to finally be in a writer's room together and work up a pilot that we're working on for

the BBC so this is so exciting to have you here. We now know each other a bit from working together and now we get to talk about your perfect day. And I can't wait to hear it because knowing you a bit now, I've got my ideas about what it might be. Oh God, I'm nervous now because I'm worried. I already know I'll disappoint. Let's see. You will not disappoint. Shall we get going? Let's do it. Nathan Fowd.

Hello. What's your perfect morning? Okay. So we've been thinking a lot about this and it's interesting, it's interesting to think about this, it gets quite existential quite quickly doesn't it? Yes. Because you realise, what I'm realising is, and I'm going to preface all of it with this, everything that I'm imagining is sort of already made up with the ingredients of my own life exactly as it is. Yes, this is great. So there's already, so it's sort of like memory as well.

Well yes, it's like, it's not necessarily, you know how some people, it's like I wake up on a balmy Barbados morning, is Barbados balmy? I don't know, but like it's like a balmy, oh bal-bay-dos. So I found that I'm not very good at doing the like metaphysical, fantasy thing where I'm like, then I'm just in Spain. So I, it's going to be quite boring. So I wake up and I'm sorry, but I roll over and see my perfect boyfriend's face. I love him so much. You love your boyfriend, don't you? I'm obsessed with him.

It's absolutely nauseating how much I love him. Can you talk about how you met or anything to you? Are you interested in telling that story? Always. I love him. We've been together for nearly 12 years. That's a long time. I know. We got together really young. We were only like 20. Yeah, like really young.

Really young because I'm only 22. I got together at age two. So scary. So we met when we were 20 at the Edinburgh Finch Festival. Oh my god. Can you Adam leave it? I was up there doing a play that I was doing at drama school. We took it up to Edinburgh and he was there reviewing. Oh really? Yeah, but for one, you know, Broadway Baby, one of those magazines that would let My Nan

review for them. Do you know what I mean? It's like anyone can do it. God love the good people of Broadway Baby. That's really undermining and dismissive of your good boys actually. I'm always slagging off Broadway Baby until they give us five stars.

And I'm like, the good men and women of Broadway Baby. Get it on the poster. It's the same with any of those reviews. It's like Fringe Biscuit. Like those ones that only exist on like Twitter or whatever. And if they give you two stars, you're like, oh God, it's a loser in his fucking basement.

And if they give you five, it's like. And that they give you two stars, you're like, Oh God, it's a loser in his fucking basement. And if they give you five, it's like, And that loser giving you five stars. So I met him, I met him on like the second night of Edinburgh. But genuinely was he reviewing your show? Not he was meant to. He was like lined up to review it. But we met in a bar by pure coincidence. And then after which point it was a conflict of interest. It generally was. And we and he, he loved saying that. Oh my god, he's such a professional. He loved being like, well I can't cause a conflict of interest. I was there like, flowing off my chair, like hands free orgasm, just like loving everyone.

I was like, this is so sexy to me. I've stolen that, that's some Kate The Lan-ism. Oh, I love Kate The Lan. The best. But we met in Edinburgh and sort of had this like, we met really early on in the month. So we had this like month long like whirlwind romance. Like we neither of us had ever had a proper relationship before we'd like dated but not really. I was a complete adult virgin loser, like so inexperienced. He came up to me in a bar, said, can I buy you a drink? I said out loud to him, no one's ever said that to me before.

Which is like, don't say that bit. And he bought me a beer and paid for it in loose coins and it was just so sweet. I remember him getting like a big fist full of like a pirate's shirt, second time we've bought a pirate's, and paid for this beer and I was like, I love him. Like I just thought he was so charming and cute. 50. I just thought he was so charming and cute. He's like, what? Yeah, yeah. 50, 75. Oh my God, I was like, not a single fucking copper in the bunch. That's, oh my God, Danny Warbucks.

I only want to five feet. Scrabbling around on the floor. We just like dated for the month and it was like so fun and magic. And then he was still at uni, he went to uni in Scotland and I was at drama school in Guildford and we were both just kind of like, well, ta-rah then. But then I think on that like penultimate night

or something, we were like, should we keep trying to see each other? And I think actually, our naivety probably like, was in our favor in a way, because it was like, we didn't really have any relationships to compare it to. So we did long distance for two years, and then he moved to London,

and we used to like save up all of our money to get like mega buses back and forth. Just there with his hat, with his handfuls of change getting on mega buses. Just wait, does he still have a lot of loose coins? Yeah, yeah. We used to get sort of like Scrooge McDuck every morning diving into a pool.

Cause he knows you like that. He knows that's what I'm into, yeah. The jingling, it's the jingling that gets me going. Somehow we're still together. I say somehow we're just sort of obsessed with each other. Oh, it's so lovely. How romantic. I really do. It's one area of mine. I'm always like, it makes me sound really smug and I guess I am a bit smug about it. No, I don't think it does at all. I don't really don't think it's actually very refreshing

because the comedy thing is to always slag off your partner which is what I do on this podcast but he knows that I do that because I love him so much but it's actually really nice to just hear the straightforward and I'm just obsessed with him. Well I think because I'm a real I'm such a complainer I'm such a fucking moany little bitch like I'm always complaining about work just everything that happens to me like all of my dreams come to an end and I'd be like, I need a break, I'm just such a miserable fuck. Completely exhausted. It's so annoying, even when I was on out filming in LA, I was like, my skin's not made for this heat.

I was just complaining all the time, just such a mardy bitch. That's because of your translucent eye. Yeah, exactly, it's because the sun was directly hitting my actual eyeball. So it's the one area, I think it's probably the one area of my life where I just feel so like, oh, I can't, I'm not gonna pretend. Because you know sometimes,

from one successful girl to another, you know sometimes when things are going well in your life, particularly like comedy TV, like you sort of feel like you have to play it out a bit. It's like that's the like cool thing to do, isn't it? To be like, oh, God, it gives a, you know. Whereas actually I refuse to do that with my relationship. I refuse to pretend it's anything other than just like

brilliant and he's anything other than like an angel boy on this earth. I cannot bear this. It's actually just gorgeous to hear it said out loud. Have you talked about him in this way? Probably not in this much detail, no. I mean, he's gonna- Fairly enough, there hasn't been a lot of platforms. It's also like he's going to like hate this as well. Like he's so private. But so yeah, come on, let's go. Oh my God. Sorry. Fucking hell.

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such an unbearable coffee snob in the last few years. So I make that and then I'll take him coffee. And my dream is that he'll drink his coffee in bed and then I'll go and sit in our kitchen. We have like a big bay window and I'll just go and sort of sit by that and drink my coffee and look out of the window and maybe I'll listen to a podcast. Maybe I'll listen to Perfect Day, Justin Abbott's Perfect Day. What podcast do you listen to? Such a good question. I really like you listen to? Such a good question. I really like Kate Belant and Jacqueline Novak's podcast. Well, no longer POOG, now Belant and Novak. Oh, right. Yes. So they changed names. So that, I really like a podcast called Exploration Live. Very funny comedy podcast. I really enjoy that. I mean, there's so many. I'm just on like a constant loop. These are good racks because I feel like

these are quite, these are quite not that well known. Maybe. I listened to, there are more popular ones. Like I listened to Last Culture Easter's and all of that. Seek Treatment. Do you know that one? Catherine Cohen and Pat Regan's podcast. Great. So it's just a lot of like, it's just a lot of like gay guy and girl kind of chatting and being funny. It's all I ever want to listen to. So I'll listen to one of those and I'll maybe do like the New York Times quick crossword. Oh yeah.

I'll do that. Maybe do wordle and maybe do, I'll sometimes do the New York Times connections, but occasionally it makes me feel like medically stupid. It gets me so, like sometimes it will really rise my cortisol to like such an insane degree because it makes me feel like I shouldn't, there's something wrong, I shouldn't be living independently. So sometimes I'll do that, but sometimes just I have to save myself from it because it makes

me so angry. It makes me feel like periodically thick. So I have to stop. How do you stop yourself just going on social media and you go like on this particular day? On this perfect day, I guess I don't want to. You just don't want to. I just have different brain chemistry. Because that's a bit like, I love Wordle and I love doing all those.

But I often, if I pick up my phone, I'll just go on, I'll just sort of like autopilot, go to Instagram. Do you ever delete the Instagram app in an attempt to like? It is deleted from my phone but I still find a way. Oh yeah, I mean you know it's dark when you're on like the web desktop app. I browse Instagram on my internet browser. So it's tragic. God that is really bad. When you're viewing people's stories on your laptop, that's when it's gone too far. It is weirdly way less appealing on a computer. Yes, yeah, yeah, it's actually quite good. I remember some dietitian once, some like definitely sort of like pro eating sort of dietitian that I was following on Instagram at the time.

One of her like tips for like not eating was to, if you fancy a snack, if you like find yourself like reaching for a snack, take it out. Yeah, if you do it, just don't eat it. Punch yourself in the face. No, it was like get a snack and take out a plate and sit at your dinner table and put it on a plate. So if it's like a handful of crisps or M&Ms or whatever the fuck you want to eat, and then you put it on a plate. So if it's like a handful of crisps, or M&Ms, or whatever the fuck you want to be, and then you put it on the plate,

and she's like, and suddenly, seeing it on the plate, you'll realize, you didn't eat that snack, or whatever the full stop was. What are you, you see, that's like, it makes me realize that not only is like the content designed to like keep, it's actually also false. Like there's no way, I mean, obviously a lot of the content

is false, but like that has been created not with any sense of like honesty at all. Like that's just like a completely, like that's totally fictitious. There's nothing about that that can possibly be scientifically true that if you put something on a plate and just look at it, you won't want to eat it. I know. It's mental. And his thing, if she's saying it in the right cadence, I am the person

that's like, like my phone's like half an inch away from my face. I'm like, yeah, like I'll just believe it. I know. So anyway, that was the Instagram on the desktop thing. That was the link I was making. So it's like like if you look at Instagram on a desktop, you're suddenly like, oh no breaks The it's so it's suddenly if you see it in a different form or something like that. You're like, oh, this is sad Yeah Because there is something about it being on your phone in your hand and you just having to scroll and that makes you not Have to do any thinking Yeah, yeah, like it keeps just scrolling and rolling and rolling

But once you once you're in like an almost like a work set up on a laptop or a computer, it's like you're actually doing something. Yeah. It's just engaging your brain. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm having. So you're in your bay window. This is what happens. This is what happens. Does this always happen? People start panicking that they're going too slow. No, it's my fault. It's my concern, not yours. Don't worry about that. So we're in the bay window. We've been wordling and cross-wording and listening to podcasts, just having a little chill. Gently drinking some coffee and then, oh, also all of this, I should have said up top, all of this is sort of predicated on the fact that

yesterday, but the day before my perfect day, I've like exercised and written loads. So it's like I've already done it. So it's like I handed something in yesterday because that's like the only time, the only time I could achieve like full piece and like actual like REM sleep is like when I've handed something in the night before. Yes, because there's a few days, it's like there's a window for writers between like handing something in and getting notes back when you are free. Yes. There's the only time that work is actually complete. And it's also where you can live in that status where

you're like, it's perfect. Yeah. Every time I handed a first draft of something, I'm like, I can't imagine what they'd say about this. Actually, it's pretty, do you know what I mean? That's how I feel every time I hand something in. I'm something, I'm like, I can't imagine what they'd say about this. Actually, it's pretty, you know what I mean? That's how I feel every time I hand something in. I'm like, surely there's nothing that can be, this is weird. It's going to be the first ever script. It's going to be the first ever episode of television where they just shot the first draft. Like that's how I feel every time I hand something in. So that I'm living in that bit and I did a big workout yesterday. So I'm feeling quite smug and like, um, sore. That's the feeling I want. So I'm taking that that bit and I did a big workout yesterday so I'm feeling quite smug and like sore.

That's the feeling I want. So I'm taking that into the day. I order, we order breakfast in. That's another thing you'll notice. I'm not even, I'm not touching a spoon or a pot throughout the whole day. I don't wanna cook. I don't wanna do it.

I really- Do you hate cooking? I am such a horrible, terrible spiteful cook. I just, it doesn't come to me naturally at all. Anytime I have to do it, it takes six months of my life. I derive no joy from it. Are you a good cook? I bet you are.

I'm pretty good. I'm all right. I like it, but I like it. Also, I suppose you have kids, so it's like you're just constantly having to produce food for the little fuckers. Do you know what I mean? This morning, two breakfasts for one child because the first breakfast is refused, it's constant. But for you, you can get on your phone, you see the thing for me is I can't order

a delivery to my house because we don't have delivery. Delivery doesn't deliver in my area. No. No. The horror. I would be, I'd be hospitalised if that was my area. No. No. It's the horror. I would be, I'd be hospitalized. If that was, if that was my life, malnourished. I would be, yeah, I just, I don't know what I would do. That is, that's the worst I've ever heard. That is actually, I would, I know without even thinking about it, I would be half of the size. I would be, I'd be like, that is crazy. I'd be like, I'd be, I have like a 29 inch waist. I'd be tiny. So what are you ordering from for breakfast? So we order these breakfast sandwiches that I just love. We eat them every Saturday morning.

It's just like a sort of sausage. I mean, it's something what I love about it. What I think I really get off on the like sick twisted like waste of it all, because it's like something I could so easily make for myself, but I don't want to. So what is, what is it? Is it like a baguette type? It's this place called Lazy Chef near me and it's probably like a burger van and it's these like they do it in these like stone baked like rolls and they like they put like so much butter on the roll and it's like a sausage egg bap type situation. As I say it would take me eight minutes to make

that at home but I don't want to. So I just, I just feel like a big sort of Henry VIII, bed-backed slug man. Yeah, just gorgeing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like, you know, Gemma Collins, you know, when she said on, when she's like, I don't know, I've got the money. That's how I feel. Like when everyone's like, you should stop ordering food.

I'm like, I've got money. I just, I don't care. I've wasted my money exactly as I wish. If I want to deliver three times a day, I will, bitch. With the Fizz loyalty program, you get rewarded just for having a mobile plan. You know, for texting and stuff. And if you're not getting rewards like extra data and dollars off with your mobile plan, you're not with Fizz.

Switch today. Conditions apply. Details at fizz.ca. So we'll eat these breakfast sandwiches in bed and we'll watch an episode of something in bed, probably drinking another cup of coffee. What are you watching? So it's going to go, on an ideal day it'll be like last night's SNL. Okay, lovely.

We'll watch the whole episode, which I love to do. Or maybe skipping the musical guests because I rarely care about them. But we'll watch SNL. Or we'll watch an whole episode, which I love to do, or maybe skipping the musical guests because I rarely care about them. But we'll watch SNL or we'll watch an episode of RuPaul's Drag Race. Nice. Or we'll just watch like a couple of episodes of like a sitcom that we love. Like we'll rewatch some like 30 Rock or Arrested Development or like Community or something like that.

And we'll just do that. TV in bed with a breakfast sandwich. And then what? I think then after that, oh, I feel like I should sprinkle in some fantasy stuff here. I guess this Henry Cavill sits on my face for a bit. Sure, sure. Just really quickly, in and out.

It doesn't even need to be housed in context that bit. It's just a little bit like- Is your boyfriend still there? Sure, well, yeah, obviously I I have sex with him as well. You know, like that. But I, Henry Cavill comes in. Comes. Yeah, he comes in.

And he hits me a bit, I think. Like, or something like that. Like I just get to have some sort of sexual interaction with Henry Cavill and then he leaves. Hits me a bit. And then. No, no, I don't mean that, I don't mean that. Just a bit, just like lightly.

Yeah, like bullies me a bit or something. That'd be quite nice. And then he leaves and no, I don't mean that. I don't mean that. Just a bit, just lightly. Yeah, like bullies me a bit or something. That'd be quite nice. And then he leaves and no, and that's not housed in any like, yeah, actual context. It's just that happens and then we move on. And then what I need is immediate plans because there's, and I don't want to sound too, I don't want to get too Joe Thomas about this, but actually there is something. Nice reference. I've really, I've really noticed this about myself that a Saturday or a Sunday afternoon, like a long

meandering, like nothing to do that actually fills me with such a deep melancholy. Actually, there's something about like an unstructured day where it's just that I can just do whatever I want. It really like activates something really sad and I can't do it. So as soon as we've had our lovely relaxing morning where I've sort of spent, like we've watched an episode of TV, but as we're watching it, I'm like hanging off my boyfriend's earlobes, like annoying him so much. What are we doing next? Why do you think, like why? I just, I start crying. I think I just, I love, I'm really, I hate to invoke this kind of language. I hate talking about people. Trigger. You're gonna say trigger?

No, no, no. Can you imagine? I'd get up and leave. I'm a real, like in the very classic sense, I'm very extroverted, which is hell, but I am. I'm a real like textbook extra, like I love people, I hate being by myself. So funny, I'm just picturing you at like 11am having watched TV, had our coffee now and then you're just standing at the window, like opening the window like guys! Come on! I is a bit like that, it's like the second that we finish one thing I'm like okay, I am quite like that. It's like the second that we finish one thing, I'm like, okay, yeah. Okay, where's my audience? I am quite like that. Wait, it is a bit of that. Because by this point in the morning, he's probably quite uncharmed by me. He's probably had his fill of me.

Oh, yeah. Okay, so you need your new award. Fresh new reset. Yeah. So in an ideal world, I'm then, I don't know, I don't need to be outside or anything. I don't care about that. I'm quite anti-outside. I don't need it. Quite anti-outside. I don't care about anti-outside, good drag name. I don't care about nature or anything. I assume a lot of people's perfect days are like, I dip my feet in the water and I feel connected to the earth.

I don't give a fat fuck about any of that. I don't need to be out. I don't ever the voice you're giving to my... Fuck about any of that. I don't need to be out. I don't ever want to be outside. Walk in the park, go fuck yourself. Paddle in the beach, get a grip. I don't ever want to do anything like that. It brings me no joy. I don't want to be outside. I have hay fever. I have eczema. I'm a bit of a princess, I guess is what it is.

I like indoors, clean, nice, quiet, safe. Sanitise. Yeah. Do you hate going on holiday? Oh, there's a lot of outside on holiday, isn't there? I'd love to talk about this. I, yes, I'm not a holiday. That falls off. I am so deeply not a holiday person and I'm actually sort of, I, and I'm, this isn't a pleasant part of myself so please don't think I'm proud of this. Please don't think I'm proud of this. But I really am quite repulsed by people who like really love holidays. Like I, I know that's really bad. It's not a nice thing. But I think I grew up with the sort of parents,

like the sort of like working class parents where it was like, we would go on like one or two holidays a year and those holidays were like the only sort of fun we ever had. It was like we, and the second that we got back from a holiday, it was like, when are we booking the next one? You know, these sort of like package holidays. And I think I grew up with such, so like, yeah, I really, I don't, I mean, I've traveled a lot in the last few years for work and that's nice Like in America and stuff, but I'd have no desire never occurs to me to book a holiday I have to have like a friend for some I'm going on holiday in like three weeks And my friend essentially had to put like a

Like a K-47 to my head and make me book it because I just it does not come to me naturally at all So I'm like maybe what I need immediately is to go to like a brunch or a lunch with I'd say like four of my best mates. That would be my dream is like I look amazing by the way that goes without saying. I look absolutely stunning. What are you wearing? I want to say like whatever I'm wearing I've got like male spanks on underneath or something like that so I just look really svelte and gorgeous and too thin. That's my main thing. I look too thin all day and everyone's going, are you alright? And I'm going, yeah.

Worryingly thin. Yeah, yeah, people go, God, what have you been doing? Oh, why have you gone? That's my dream. immediately then go for like a big, long, chatty, loud, laughy brunch with a group of my friends, my freak friends. Yes, okay. Your freak friends are, do you wanna talk about your freak friends?

Well, yeah, I mean, there's loads, sure. I, but I think the friends that come to my... I have a lot of like, I'm not really friends with a lot of comedians, I'm more friends with like writers. Yeah. And that really like suits me. Are they extroverted too? Why? Yeah. Or is it that they're not and that's what's good about them? Like as in you can be the

extrovert. Because they just sit quietly and listen. Yeah, they can sit quietly and be your audience. Politely. No. No, I'm friends with... But you need like a back and forth. Yeah, I need like, my friends are all like really like fantastically funny. What's that, I like people that are quite like caustic

and bombastic and funny. Yeah, this all goes back to Henry Carpenter giving you a little, just like beating you up. Sitting on the old noggin, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So do you like it when people take the piss out of you? Yeah. I love it.

Yeah. I like that. And I like, I like people who can really, I can really take the piss out of, I'm bullying all my friends. But like, I like people who are, you know what I want? I don't want any friend that's ever going to go, oh, all right. You know, after you've said something, oh God. So basically like no boundaries whatsoever.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, and also we're crawling over each other the whole time this happens. I want like, my friends will settle over me. Loads of physical contact. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You want them just like inside, yeah. This is how I feel about my friends. I want to swallow them like a whale. I love them so much. So I am such a quality time person.

Oh god, here he goes. I'm watching my language. Love language. Oh god. But I am a very quality time person. Like I like spending big, long, extended periods of time with my friends. OK, so we've had a nice long lunch. Let's move on to the afternoon, shall we?

Nathan, what's your perfect afternoon? So, this big long lunch probably extends into the afternoon. Then, I think I thought about this. What I would then like to go and do is I would like to go and have some sort of like meeting or like work coffee where we talk very excitedly about a project that is happening, if that makes sense. So it's like, there's something, we're maybe talking about something being cast. We're talking, or like-

Oh yeah, it's like really, we're quite far down the line. It's actually happening, it's like, oh, can we sit and talk you through some of the ideas that we've had for locations? I know this is so industry and boring, but it's like my only personality is my job. So I know the feeling. But it's nice to have the feeling of like actually making something like especially as a writer, because you just it's it is just part of the job like coming up with the idea and then it's very like it's actually very rare that the thing

actually gets made. This is the thing that I think lots of people probably don't know about being particularly like a screenwriter is that you, you know, there are two types of script, the ones that get made and there are a lot more that don't get made, but you put as much work into those ones as you do the ones that do get made. Yeah, yeah, totally. And you obviously try, you know, intellectually that the thing is that, like, I always try and tell myself, like, the writing is the thing. The writing is the thing. Like, you should just drive as much joy from that as you possibly can.

You should be driving as much joy from that as you as something being made. But that's bullshit. Like, you know, I've tried to do that as well. Yeah, it's it bullshit. I've tried to do that as well, yeah. Yeah, it's, it won't ever work. So I really like that bit where it's like, you have to have like a sort of planning meeting about something that's actually concretely definitely happening. It's like, it couldn't be more sort of fun to me. I'm trying to think of what like the weather would be. I think it's,

I'm not really like a height of summer person. I think it would be like- Because of the hives. Because of the hives and the eczema and the ee, exactly. Because that's the thing about summer, it's like outside comes in, doesn't it? And it really, outside really demands something of you at that point. You know where it's like you,

if you're pottering around your flat and getting some bits done. You feel a bit bad. Yeah, I was actually thinking about that the other day that I do quite, I think I actually don't love summer summer because I don't like the feeling of like being indoors when the sun is shining. I feel bad.

And feeling like a sad bitch, like you're like, oh, I should probably be, I should be out seizing the day and like a sort of an apple seller at a market store should be like tossing me an apple and I should have all this, what would it be even? And I can't really access that. So what I really like is like a cold bright like autumn or like spring day like it's like sunny but cool and I and I I'm in a big coat and everyone's sort of thinking, God, I wish I was sat with him.

I'm being so funny and I'm a loud talker so I know everyone can hear me and everyone's thinking, well, first of all, people are going, I've seen him on TV. That's what I want. Oh my God, that's so funny. I was going to ask you if being recognised that it's on my list of questions, if there's going to be a bit of fame or recognition necessary. That's so sad that you need to ask me that question. God, I've revealed too much of myself to you. Yes. Listen, it's, you get recognised, it's heaven on this earth. Do you not think so? Do you not like it? Well, no, the reason, no, honestly, the reason I don't like it because I've moved back home, when I get recognised, I genuinely

don't know if the person, if we do know each other. Oh, so people will be like, are you, are you Janet? Yeah, and then I don't know if we went to school together or if they've watched, or if they just, last night they watched a repeat of 8 out of 10 Cats that was like on at 11 o'clock at night. I don't know. And they sometimes don't know either. Oh yes, I had that recently, someone came up to me and like went to hug me and then she was very sweet she was like oh my god I'm so sorry I thought you were my friend but I think I just recognise you and I mean I fucking

died, I floated the entire day. It felt fantastic and I also love the bit afterwards where you have to kind of do the choreography of like particularly if you're with your friends and you've been recognised, then you have to sort of do the choreography of like, not even caring about it. And just like carrying on chatting to your friends and your friends are like, that's cool. And you're like, what? It's cool. What's cool? And they're like, oh, that person just asked me a question. You're like, did they? Oh, God, yeah, yeah, I suppose they did. Oh, I don't know. Bless her. Nice girl. Like that

is my dream come true. And I'm not proud of it. But it's the truth. I might as well be honest on Perfect Day. Is there any more to the afternoon? No, I think that's actually- No, we're running out of time. Yeah, I think that's no, no, I've got to dash. But no, I actually don't. But that's probably the afternoon actually. I think that's- That's probably the day.

Seeing my friends, maybe I walk along the South Bank and maybe I also win Noughties X Factor or something really quickly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, just quickly. What would you sing? Maybe something really, something like Because of You by Kelly Clarks. Oh my God. Did you do musical theatre at drama school? So you've got an amazing voice. Not at drama school. I did acting at drama school, but I did a lot do musical theatre at drama school? So you've got an amazing voice. Not at drama school. I did acting at drama school, but I did a lot of musical theatre when I was younger.

I'm an okay singer. I used to be a lot better. That made you great. I'm an okay singer. That makes you great. I am an okay singer. So my dream has always been, I really firmly have this belief about myself

that I could have won Noughties. I could have won X Factor in like 2008. I really think that. Because I think I would have been a good, they would have liked me. Everyone would have, I think the nation would have fallen in really think that. Because I think I would have been a good, they would have liked me, everyone would have, I think the nation would have fallen in love with me. What would your sub story have been? Being fat.

So I was. Sorry for laughing. No, I was just a really fat teenager. So I would have made it all about that or something. Being not confident. But that'd be an amazing figure. People would have eaten it up. Yeah, they would.

They absolutely would. Absolutely not. So I really would. They absolutely would. So I really have that belief about myself. So in my perfect day, in the afternoon at some point, I just really quickly win X Factor. And everyone in the audience is someone, people that bullied me. How would your life have been different?

Cause you would have been, so you would be like a sort of Olly Murs figure now. Yeah, yeah. And would that be? Describe me my dream life, I'm not joking. God, I used to fancy the ass off of Olly Murs, you know? I really did, I used to fancy him so much. I still remember when he did on one of the live shows,

do you remember the presence of X-Acto in all of our lives? Yeah, yeah, wow. I remember him doing Twist and Shout, you know, it's like, check it up baby. And I remember him doing it and it was like the best thing I'd ever, ever seen. I remember like vibrating with how much I like wanted to like be him and like put his whole fist in my mouth. Yeah.

I just fancied him so much. So yes, I have a real fantasy that like the audience is full of people who are cruel to me as a child, people who bullied me at school. And I get up and I sing and I'm just absolutely amazing. And Simon Cowell can't believe it. And all of your former bullies are having to just eat shit. They're just having to eat shit directly out of my ass. They are absolute. They can't believe how good I sound. And there's a X Factor performance from like 2010 when the cast of Glee went on X Factor in like the first season and they sing Don't Stop Believing. And what is the name of the actress? Amber something. She's now quite big.

She plays Mercedes in Glee and the story that was, I think this had to have been a fabricated story. Like, there's no way this is true. But like, apparently back in the day before she was like a big famous person on Glee, she had auditioned for like American Idol or something when Simon Cowell was judging on it. I'm making all of this. I'm free associating all of this. But she had auditioned and he told her like, no, and you're never going to amount to anything or something or something, whatever he used to do. And now she's like so famous from Glee and she sings this big like high note key chain. Like she's, they're all singing and

then there's like a musical break and everyone's kind of Rachel Berry's like running around flapping her tears to everyone or whatever she did. And then that wheelchair kid remember that who like wasn't didn't use a wheelchair not in real life we're all just okay with that yeah that was okay then she like sort of dances over to Mercedes dances over to Simon Cowell spins him like to face her in the chair and sings this like incredible high note key change right in his face and everyone's like like it's like the best thing you've ever seen in your entire life. I've got goosebumps thinking about it, I'm not joking. So I want to do that. Like musical revenge. Yeah. It's the only way. A revenge high note. Is that what that I mean we've never had that before and we'll never have it again. A revenge high note.

No one, no one is ever going to choose to sing a revenge high note on the X Factor in the noughties. Check it. It's absolutely incredible. Thank you for saying that. That's part of, that's how the afternoon ends I suppose. And then, and then, and then, that's my afternoon. Perfect night.

Nathan, what's your perfect night? So my perfect night is, and this is what I mean, I'm really unimaginative because it's not, I don't think it's that different or varied from my day. My perfect night is in an ideal world, I'm at a dinner, still I've not cooked a thing, you'll notice. I'm eating delicious food, maybe tapas with a big group of friends. And in an ideal world, all of us have really, really delicious, salacious gossip to share. And maybe it's centered around a friend that's not there. Someone that we all know. Something's happened, a friend has really sort of acted up and something's gone wrong, but not in a dark way,

like it's all fine. Someone's like, like this happened to me recently with someone like someone that I don't know posted on Facebook that they were going on holiday for a couple of weeks and they got like really badly burgled. No. And it sort of was their fault because they put it on Facebook and they took absolutely everything the light bulbs from the lights, the tampons from her bathroom.

Oh my god. The bread from the freezer. Stop. No, I'm not. Like it was the house was like cleaned out. Oh my god. When she was having sex I was like, I don't know this person, but it doesn't matter because I was just eating it up. It's heaven. That sort of thing. That's what it is.

Oh my god. You're like, no she bloody doesn't. Who is it? All day. I do that all the time. I react before I hear the information. My entire dinner is just me being like, shut up! As someone's still in the middle of a sentence. Yeah. So that's my dream is that we all have like a kind of unifying, that some big sprawling story has happened.

Someone that we know has slept with someone or someone's been a real fucking nightmare. We've all been to the same party or something and someone was really badly behaved at the party. And it turns out there's quite a big law to this story. So we just get to sit and sup a load of wine and just talk over each other. Pour over every detail, yeah. And everyone has, every detail that everyone gives gets juicier and juicier as we get drunker and drunker.

And everyone's got a hot take. Everyone's got a hot take. I love gossip. And I hate to be a big wailing cliche. I know, gay man who loves gossip, but I do. All I ever wanna do is tell stories about people and wildly cast aspersions on things. You know, my favorite thing is when there's a gossip that's happening and everyone chips in

and by the end of it it's like you've collectively created a new version of the story based on all of the like bullshit that you've chipped in and by the end of it that story is law. So then you sort of go away and tell that version of the story to other people. Oh my god, yes. So thank you, because I just feel like it doesn't, after a while it doesn't matter like things happen to me and then I exaggerate them a bit when I'm in the telling of like my husband is always there just to like be the truth when I'm telling the story at the dinner party that's like, I've told it now like 17 times, so it's like it's got a bit different every time. And he will sit

there going, no, you didn't. And I've had to tell him to stop doing it. Cause I'm like, it doesn't matter. Oh my God. The detail doesn't matter. The vibe is what's important. I'm here to import a vibe. Exactly. I could not agree more. I just, I'm there. It's a mood thing. If everyone only ever told stories exactly as they happened, unless you were like a paramedic or like a job where it's like a very high pressure. We are not in a court of law. Exactly. I didn't swear on a fucking Bible at the beginning of this. So let me tell my story. That is how I feel. I really, I will just lie. I don't mind lying. As long as it's harmless. Yeah, and the general story. That is how I feel. I really, I will just lie. I don't mind lying. As long as it's harmless. I think the general gist of it is still there. Like I find it just

absolutely crushing when he, and he has stopped doing it now. But like if I was telling that story, say about the building, well, they didn't take the tampons, which they did by the way. But he'd be like, I don't think they took the tampons, did they? did by the way, but he'd be like, I don't think they took the tampons did they? That. And I cannot, but we need, but then we'll get to the point now where I'm like after a few tellings of a story I genuinely don't know what, I can't really remember what actually happened. I can't remember what I've made up and what actually happened. Yeah, yeah. And that's

the beauty of it. That's how, that's folklore. That's how stories spread. It's hanging around the campfire, you know, that's heaven to me. I never said I was a reliable, I never said I'd be a reliable narrator. I've never once claimed to be reliable. But entertaining, yes. Yes, exactly. So I'm like with my friends, we're sharing this, everyone is being so funny. You know it's that you have those kind of friends where it's like they make you the

funniest version of yourself, you know when you're like, God, I'm really firing on all cylinders here. Like I'm being so sharp and gray. So it's like, I, my friends are telling, my friends are really making me laugh. I'm making them laugh. Everyone's on form. Everyone's on form. Everyone looks too thin. Everyone's on fire. Everyone's worrying. And we're just eating small plates, having a great time and it's dimly lit and we're just eating small plates, having a great time, and it's dimly lit and we're drinking cocktails, and the waiter's so charmed by us. That he gives you the meal for free. Yeah, exactly, the waiter's so like, oh my God, I wish I was, I wish I was sat with you guys.

Like, I wish, you know, and then maybe we invite the waiter, the waiter's Henry Cavill. And, in fact, didn't you win X Factor in 2009? That's my dream. So yeah. And then I guess the night actually ends with, my boyfriend was at this by the way, I want to make that clear. And me and my boyfriend get, and my best mate Jess, Bray, you know, we all get an, and her boyfriend, Theo Tennant, gorgeous boy, all four of us get an Uber home, a nice Uber home, and we go over a bridge in London, because we live in South London,

and we go over the bridge at night, and I just look out the window and I think- Chelsea Bridge. I fucking did it. That's how I feel. Every time I go over a bridge at night, I'm like, well done me. I like think of my little self who was like

so desperate to live in London and so like bored and frustrated in Newark and now I live in London and I have such a nice life. Ah there we go. Well done mate. Thanks. That was a gorgeous perfect day and night I was right there with you. We've got one tiny bonus question if you've got time. I've got all the time in the world for you baby. Can you recommend a piece of perfection this week? I can, absolutely. I'm actually so excited. I have been rewatching recently because for some reason I just remembered that I subscribed to Disney Plus. I feel like I'm the only person on earth that does.

And on Disney Plus is all of Malcolm in the Middle. Have you rewatched it recently? No! Oh my god. It's a perfect sitcom. I really had lumped it in the same category. In my head I thought it was like a Disney Channel original. It was like for kids. It is so good. The writing is so sharp and funny and like quite near the knuckle and strange and sharp. Really? Yeah, it's really good. Jane Casmeric, who plays the mum, gives like an astonishingly good performance.

So we've been re-watching Malcolm in the Middle. Great show. And I've not watched it since I was like a child. And I just, it's so well structured. It's so funny. It's like laugh out loud funny. And the stories are always like, I think because it's like built, you know,

it's this like fun family sitcom. You think it's gonna be a bit sort of like cozier than it is. But it's actually a lot of the storylines are like quite bizarre and brilliant. And like, I feel like a lot of those sort of American, the sort of the sitcoms that could be criticized for being formulaic are just incredibly like those they're dismissed. That's like so easily, easily dismissed because they fall into that bracket of just like, I don't know, almost like mainstream sort of trashy TV. And then when you actually watch them, they're just like incredibly well structured.

Like so many one-liners, so many brilliant jokes, amazing characters, and we just don't appreciate. Like, what's the other one? Everybody loves Raymond. Yeah. There's like a whole category of sitcom that deserves a second watch, I think. Totally. It's like, you know, I'm sort of always rewatching, I'm forever rewatching Parks and Recreation. It's like one of my like favourite, favourite, favourites. And

that is like, it's so easy to just think of it as a little like comfort show that you stick on. But actually, when you watch it, you're like, oh's so easy to just think of it as a little like comfort show that you stick on. But actually when you watch it, you're like, oh my god, any episode of this is like better than anything I'll ever write in my career. Do you know what I mean? It's so good. So yeah, everyone go, if you can go and rewatch Mark in the Middle. Lovely. Great shout. Nathan Fode, thank you so much for telling us your perfect day. You're so welcome. Thank you for having me.

See you babes. Bye babe. Love, love, love that. What a laugh. Oh God, I do love a long gossipy dinner. He's just right on the money there, isn't he? It's amazing how much goss comes up on Perfect Day. It's just like a very common recurrence I've noticed now that we've been doing a few. People love a goss and they're not ashamed to admit it. Also, the phrase anti-outside will stick with me forever. Thank you, Nathan. As always, Perfect Dayersers send me an email every day at perfectday at

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