Perfect Day with Jessica Knappett - EP 45: James Buckley

Episode Date: May 22, 2025

Inbetweeners’ alum James Buckley joins Jess this week to share his perfect day. An actor, musician, podcaster and youtuber, James lets us into his everyday life (which is very close to his perfect day!) as well as a good old chat about all things Twitter, eating habits and of course - The Inbetweeners. Like and subscribe for brand-new episodes every Thursday. Follow us on Instagram @perfectdaycast. And, why not get in touch? Email us at [e-mail] A Keep It Light Media ProductionSales and general enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Alright then. I think if I got on a bus I think people would be freaked out, would be worried. Hello Perfect Dayers, I'm Jessica Knappett and you are in too many WhatsApp groups. In today's episode I get Uno reversed at the beginning of my own podcast. Let me tell you it was not pleasant. In my defence I actually wasn't late. He was early. I wasn't late to my own podcast. I arrived early but he was really early. Anyway, my hand will not be forced. I absolutely will not be starting formal intros from now on. I've said it before. I'll say it again through StyleSumi. We've got another Inbetweeners alum on the show today guys. He's an actor, he's a musician, he hosts his own family podcast, he's a YouTuber,

and he plays a very unhealthy amount of video games. It's James Buckley. As James admits, you know, his perfect day is quite short. But fear not listeners, because we have a good old chat about absolutely everything else as well. He tells us about deleting his Twitter on a whim. It's an exclusive. We talk buswankers in every sense of the word and we have a big old chat about the in-betweeners and really delve into James' eating habits. I don't know, we just go there. So chuck a bag of McCain's vibes in the oven and get ready for James Buckley's

perfect day. It's fucking grim. E-O-F-E. How do you feel about that? Who Theroux? How do I feel about Theroux? I like Theroux. How do you feel about there being like no introduction to a podcast whatsoever? Just meandering in. Just bareback. Just no... That's one way of putting it, James. Just no protection there. Cheers. Cheers, mate. Where did you... You're calling it bareback. And that is fine. That's a perfectly fine analogy. Yeah. Kids are saying bareback these days. I think there's a thing called bareback packing. No, no. kids it's where you just pack a bag and go Yeah, that's all that's all what that's called backpacking. Yeah, that's always exist. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, that is it

It's called backpacking. It doesn't need to be the bear, but I think kids don't know what it means I think it's younger kids again. Yeah, we're going bareback packing. Can I just say, I feel really weird. And the reason I feel weird is because you were here before me and now I feel like I'm on your podcast. Anyway, welcome. Yeah. It's not working for me. I want to know about your perfect day.

Can you... I, sorry, I've just... Is this it? Is this actually the podcast? This is, this is what I usually do to other people. I just, I'm sitting here usually and they walk in and I'm like, all right, and we just immediately start talking because I think that's better. But now that it's happened to me, what a fucking terrible way to start a podcast that is.

So I think I was here already. I've been here all morning. I thought you were in your own studio doing your own podcast and then you were going to come in here after I'd eaten my Leon chicken pot. Have I stopped you from eating as well? I haven't had my protein snack. It's alright I've had, don't worry, look at how sweaty my fingers are. You've missed a... My hands are so sweaty it's incredibly hot outside by the way as we record so thank you James for choosing, is you, James, for choosing. Is it choosing? It is, yeah. Is it choosing to be in a dark, quite warm basement when you could be

outside having your perfect day? We were both just talking about how it's nice to have a break from our children. As we record this. So I'm very happy to be here. It is pick up time. It is, yeah. But not for us. And now I've managed to get out of that. I know it's good isn't it. Was Claire with you today? She's rushed off because it's pick up time and also one of our boys have a little after

school thing he does like boxing and stuff like that so. Oh god. What can I do babe? Does he need to box? Is he that kind of kid? Um, no, I just think it's good to have some kind of physical, I don't know, keeping fit. He doesn't like football and stuff like that. I'm not, I'm not sporty. And I'm not, I'm not funnily enough, but you seem quite well, cause you're an actor, but you seem like you might be quite good at football. I've got that kind of vibe. You're a fiver side kind of lad. I'm good in the sense that you have to just any young boy, I suppose growing up in the nineties, if you didn't have, if you didn't know a tiny bit about football, then you were

going to really struggle. Or become an actor. Yeah. Did you need to know about football at the Sylvia Young Academy? I didn't go to Sylvia Young. It was a Tally of content. It's a shame about Wikipedia, isn't it? Did they? It's a shame about doing your research on Wikipedia.

Have they got the helmet at Sylvia Young? Yeah. I'm going to keep that then. Yeah. People might take me seriously as an actor. Or I've just remembered it wrong. That's also possible. You sure you're not getting me mixed up with Blake?

No, he was Brits, weren't he? He was Brits school. He was doing dance. Oh, E17. No. He was at E17. Yeah, that's right. E17 is what it's called. Yeah. No, that's the band. It was doing dance. He was at E17. Yeah that's right. What was it called? Yeah, no that's the band. E15.

Because the one would have made the connection. Blake was the one with the little pierres. Blake was at E15, yes. How can I forget that? Because you constantly would remind us that he was a proper actor, a proper trained actor, I mean, he rarely brought it up. I tell you something, he didn't bring up as much as the other two fucking boys brought up that they went to Cambridge. So in Blake's defense. But to be fair, they went to Cambridge together, so a lot of their memories, I think when we say the other two boys, we're talking about Simon Bird and Joe Thomas.

Joe Thomas, friend of the show. Don't know if you've heard the episode that Joe came on. He tried to get through his perfect day and kept talking about how terrible parenting was and we didn't actually get to the end. Yeah. Yeah. I'm seeing Joe tomorrow. I've seen him quite a lot over the last sort of couple of months. Yeah, so have I. Why is that? Because he's got kids. Because he's got kids. Because he's got kids.

He's got a child now. So now he's like, I've got to get out of the house. Oh, right. Oh, I see what you mean. So you see him a bit more. There's this myth, like, oh, when you have kids, you'll never see your mates again. Don't worry, they'll be clamouring to get to you. You are more desperate than ever. I also think, no offence, hashtag not all men. No. Men are better at finding huge swathes of time to go and spend together. On the train down here, I looked out the window, I saw

there was just lots and lots of men sitting around a river. I thought, what are they doing? All right, they're fishing. Yeah. It's a Monday in the middle of the day. They're avoiding stuff. They're avoiding things. They're very good at that. I've gone through some stuff. Tell me. Weird hobbies. I got for a little while, again like post having children, you look for stuff to make you make yourself look busy to get out of things basically is what it is. Right. I really got into refurbishing old game boys. I would buy like broken knackered old Gameboys off of eBay or something like that. And then I would buy a new case for them and resolder them and the new screen and things like that and put them all back together again and get them working and things.

That sounds lovely. That sounds very mindful. It was nice. Yeah, it was really nice. Did you have to get all the little parts off? Yeah, they were all there. This is just, I mean, this is so similar to we had David O'Doherty on last week and he does the same with bikes. It's that sort of tinkering. And then did you have, yeah, so much tinkering comes up on perfect day. It's very odd.

Yeah. Take it apart, put it back together. That's what men do. Yeah, basically. That's mad actually. I mean, it's not, it's, it's a fantastic thing to do, to be able to do. Yeah, basically. That's mad actually. I mean, it's not, it's, it's a fantastic thing to do, to be able to do. I don't have anything that I pull apart and put back together. You're a mum, you're doing the important stuff. I just make stuff from scratch. Exactly. Create things. Inside my body.

Yeah. You create things. Men are constantly trying to get out of stuff. You're an upcycler. That was what I was doing. Yeah, I was upcycling Gameboys. What a weird thing. Don't do it anymore. You have to buy a very special screwdriver to be able to open Gameboys. Oh, I bet you do. They've got a specific... I bet it's like a Spectacles kind of one. You can't use a Phillips or a flathead. No, it's like a sort of triangle Oh, really? So first you've got to get the right screwdriver. Then it's that was a whole afternoon. Yeah, I bet it was looking into that eBay Think Amazon think Amazon. Yeah, you go on. Yeah, you ask some questions. You put some stuff out there

Are you an anonymous user? Alright guys, it's ch from the in-between. I'm trying to open a game boy. I did when I did have Twitter, which I deleted my account years ago now. And I didn't tell anyone I was deleting it. I didn't say, sorry guys, I'm going to have to stop this now. But let me, I'm just going to keep, I'm going to close this account, but I'm going to wait for a couple of days for you all to reply to this message to tell me, please don't go.

No, I just... You were quite an avid Twitter user though, weren't you at one time? It was actually quite fun. There's a cutoff point. If you have about 50,000 followers on Twitter, it becomes like quite a fun little club. And you can do things like, I'm in London, I've got a couple of hours to kill, what should I do? And people will go, oh, have you thought about this? Have you tried this? Yeah.

Once you go past... Like having a committee? Yeah. A board? You can take it to the board? Yeah, absolutely. 50,000 people. Once you start getting past that 50,000, it starts to like hundreds of thousands of people like that. It does just turn into, fuck off and die, you prick.

And it's like, oh, sorry. die. You prick. And so, uh, so then you delete Twitter. Yeah. Um, that was the, that was the main reason because of all the awful. Yeah. I just know I couldn't do it. No, I could never do it because it's too scared. I was just scared of strangers.

Yeah. Sensible. I just never got into it. Also, the thing I really struggled with about Twitter was there wasn't much that I wanted to say to everybody. So that was my problem. I thought I had really important things to say to everybody. Yeah.

Or I was particularly funny or something like that. And I wasn't. I wasn't at all. How many followers did you have when you deleted your account? I don't know about 500,000. Fucking hell. Something like that. Just got rid of it. You must have had to have really thought about that. It must have been quite a big decision because you're just deleting half a million

people. Yeah. I was just like, oh, what is this? What am I doing? Like it was just sort of like, what am I doing and what is this? And there was an impulsion there as well. I've never spoken about this. There was an impulsion there to check what people were writing to me. And I was like, Oh, why are you doing this to yourself? Just get rid of it.

But I was instantly, the minute I deleted it, I was like, Oh, life, life is just a little bit better now, It's just much better. What had happened do you think that made you change your mind about that? Other than all the people being abusive, but like you obviously will have tolerated a certain amount of abuse up till that point. Yeah. I suppose it was just a realization. That it's awful.

That it's awful. Nonsense. Yeah. It was, you know, when you've been on television and stuff like that, people do want to be mean to you on Twitter, specifically Twitter. Well, that was it. That was it. If I go out on the street or if I'm in a pub or if I'm anywhere in public,

everyone's so nice to me. So you're not just a wanker in public. Like, you're not, you're, I mean, you're a specific kind of, you know, you're a, you're a bus wanker. Absolutely. Yeah. You're not like, you you're a bus wanker. Absolutely, yeah. You're not just a wanker. The bus bit gets taken away online. It does, yeah.

Yeah, it just becomes you wanker. It's like, oh. Oh, it's better with the bus bit. I haven't been on a bus since we did that. Is that all still happening then? Everyone was asking you that. I think if I got on a bus, I think people would be freaked out, would be worried. Yeah, that they would start masturbating. Oh, right.

Oh, sorry. What was she going to say? No, sorry. Yeah, that one. Because of all the stuff that you do. Because of all the bus wanking. All the bus wanking I've done in my time. That actually happened to me. What? Someone wanked on a bus. This is the problem, innit? Next to me. This is the problem innit. Next to you?

Yeah, and he was, the maddest thing is... He was such a nice guy. He was so lovely and polite. He was timing it. For, what'd you, oh he had a stopwatch. So when I looked over, I saw his knob. Yeah. And then, and I was like, oh my, I was so shocked. And then he went beep and stopped

his stopwatch. Right. So that must, he must have been doing, he must have been like PB. Do you know what? Right. If I was in that situation, just because of the type of person I am, I feel like I'd apologize. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That I had interrupted someone masturbating on a bus. It's a really weird thing when it happens. I went down, I just, it was only me and him on the top deck. I'll never sit on a top deck now. No. Especially not alone.

Did you say deck? What did I, what do I mean? No, go on, carry on. What is it? No, I was just sitting on it. It's fine. Hang on, what is it? What is it?

No, no, I thought you said dick. It's fine. I thought you said dick. It's fine. I thought I'd used the wrong... Sitting on some top dick. I was sitting on some top dick on the top deck. And I went downstairs and told the bus driver that there was a man... Oh, you grasped him up!

Oh, you little weasel! Oh, poor bloke! James, this is not the response! The guy's is obviously desperate he's having a wank on a bus life can't get much worse for the for the fella and you're dobbling him in as well poor guy, this is why women don't report us after this up, it's people like you I feel like I'm on your Twitter it's your fault it's your own fault for getting on a bus. What was you wearing? Was it late at night?

No, it was in the middle of the day. I was wearing quite a short dress. I'd just been to see a musical. I was having a lovely time looking out of the window, thinking about what a great matinee I'd been to. Yeah. So where, so was this in, was this in London? We don't need to talk about my trauma today.

No, we do. We definitely do. I feel like we do. What we should be talking about, you see the problem also with this podcast James, is that at some point we have to segue into your perfect day. But now I've gone away and I've thought about my perfect day. Have you? Yeah and I think we're better off talking about this stuff because I took it seriously. That's great no no everyone takes it seriously. No but like we can get it out of the way in like 30 seconds if you want. Fantastic.

There's like nothing there's nothing to expand on it's so boring. Is it I think because I think you've got a really nice life. Yeah and that's what I learned when I was thinking about my perfect day. Because you've basically created what a lot of men, possibly people, but definitely men, would think is the dream life, I think. I think so, yeah. Because you play computer games pretty much for a living. Not so much anymore. I had to knock it on the head and do some actual work after a while. Why? No, to be fair, I got bored of it. I head and do some actual work after a while. Why? No, to be fair, I got bored of it. I got a bit bored of it.

Did you? And I really love playing video games. And then what happened was, was this hobby and this passion of mine suddenly started feeling like a job that I had to do all the time. It became, you turned your passion into work. Absolutely. But I mean, have you not done that routinely since, I mean, presumably that happened when you became an actor. You're like, oh, I love this thing, I'm really good at it.

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I don't know if I do. I'm not sure if I do. I like making people laugh and I like being an idiot and I like people laughing at me. That's always been a role that I've been comfortable with as long as it makes people happy. I've never cared clearly about looking foolish or you know, but I definitely don't have the passion and the drive for it that I did before The Inbetweeners. Because when I was growing up, ever since I was a kid, all I wanted to do was be in a hit sitcom. And then I did that. And then also I had kids of my own. So it's really easy to sort of live vicariously through them now. What, so you want them to be in a hit sitcom? No, I want them to decide what they want to do and just jump on that bandwagon and chase

that dream with them. That's more exciting and fulfilling. The problem with that though is that it doesn't make you, it means I'm not very industrious and I'll come up with any excuse to not have to turn up to a meeting or, you know, like just try and get out of, I can't be asked, I can't be bothered to do stuff. I guess it's, yeah, I guess I'm not really interested in it. But it doesn't sound to me like it's laziness. It sounds like you've just got a good thing going on.

Yeah. And you just like the life you have at home. I don't think. And you like being a dad and you. Yeah. And you just like the life you have at home. I don't think you like being a dad and you... Yeah. No, I don't think I'm a lazy person because I have had to work for a living. I do have parents that work, you know, my parents weren't in show business or anything like that. We were a poor family in a poor area growing up. So I do know what hard work is. So going like doing a bit of acting and stuff. It's not like I'd go, oh no, this is really hard work. Cause I do appreciate the difference. But I do genuinely think you have to really want to be on television because there's loads of stuff that comes with that.

There's loads of sort of anxiousness and worry. And especially if you're not naturally very confident and stuff like being on television. When you're making something, it's like fun because you're in a room full of people, like usually your mates, and then you forget that that's actually going to be on television and people see that. So those thoughts of having to be in front of people doing stuff, I think make me more nervous now than the joy or the excitement I used to get from it when it was all new and when I was doing it for the first time.

When you say about being naturally confident, do you feel more confident now or less? Less confident, yeah. Really? Way less, yeah. Then you were like in your twenties. Yeah, absolutely. But do you think that that was just sort of bravado? No, no.

Do you think it was genuine? Yeah, I just thought I could think that that was just sort of bravado? No. No, I think it was genuine. Yeah, I just thought I could do anything. I really did. I thought I could do, I was like, I'll do any part. I can do any accent. I can do anything. Can't do any of that. Can't.

And I'm not saying I could, I just thought I could. But have you made some sort of discovery that you can't? How do you know you can't? I don't know. I just know I was foolish. It's just young. It's just being young, I guess. You did have quite a swagger about you when you were making the Inbetweeners movie. Did I?

Was I swaggering? Yeah, I just remember thinking you were really cool. I thought I was having a panic attack during the Inbetweeners. But you really kept yourself to yourself. And I just was like, yeah, he's an interesting guy. And I can't, I was like, I didn't, I couldn't tell whether you were shy or not actually. I thought maybe you were a bit shy. I am quite shy.

Yeah. Because I think sometimes with performers, there's an assumption that people and that you just said, how could you possibly be shy? Because why would you be doing this? I think it's be doing this? Why would you have chosen this job? I think with performers and with actors especially, I think that they have to find themselves so boring that they are, they just want to be anyone else, even if it's just for an afternoon. I genuinely think like if you, like a lot of actors, I mean this is pretty much proof, but they won't have much to say.

I'm about to tell you about my perfect day in a minute and you are one boring bastard. Because I think actors are really boring and they find sort of, like the process of acting is incredibly boring. But but they find like I find it interesting like even when I was doing Jay from the in betweeners and stuff like that I was always like remember his relationship with his dad and what's going on and why is he the way he is and there must be something about him that's redeemable and likeable because otherwise he's just a dickhead like that no one would be able to stand and that's redeemable and likeable because otherwise he's just a dickhead like that no one would be able to stand and that's what you do as an actor so you that's not boring though why is

that no you don't find it boring i don't find it boring i think you just said i think it's boring yeah but i think most people will find looking into that stuff i find that interesting i find that sort of stuff gets me going but i think think most people would be like, why are you worrying about that? Why are you doing? Why are you? Unless you're an actor. But that's right. I see what you mean. If you just, if you just want to be entertained and just watch something. I don't think anyone was sitting there creating a fictional biog for Jay Cartwright when they were sort of, you know, watching.

But you were. I was, yeah. And I was, that was always stuff that I was thinking about when, anytime I was doing. So you were thinking, because you did make him very vulnerable. Yeah. And that was what was so funny about him. It was like, you could just see his weakness. Yeah. I, I thought that was important for me because I wanted Jay to be likeable and I thought he was very close to not being. Because he could just be very spiteful and weird and I just didn't want Jay to just be awful.

Because I don't think that's as funny. There are some characters that are just dicks but are funny. Like people like Finchy and stuff like that and you're just like that is just funny. And that person serves to be a sort of antagonist though don't they? You weren't, you were one of the heroes so you needed a bit more depth. Did you base that character on someone? Because I know Blake based his on someone. Did he really? No I didn't. I tell you what I really loved about the in-betweeners was that it was all there in the script. So many people ask us how much of it was improvised. And they're like, well, first of all, first of all, it wasn't improvised. That's all.

You wouldn't have been allowed. Secondly, we weren't allowed. We were not allowed to improvise. We were constantly reminded how many meetings with Channel 4 the writers had to go through to be able to... I suppose even at that time, I suppose even at that time, they were maybe vetting jokes and stuff maybe on the in-betweeners. I don't know, I'm not sure. I've just thought that... Who was vetting a joke? I don't know, the channel. Channel 4 maybe saying we're not sure whether we want that joke on... I can't imagine them doing that to be honest with you. But all I heard was there was, they were very precious about their fucking script

and it had to be done in such a way. That were written on the page. But we weren't allowed. How did you feel about having to stick to the script? It's the only thing that I've done where I've been totally confident and fine with doing because it was all just there. Everything was there. It was really, really funny. Ian and Damon are the only writers that I've really worked with that personally know me and have spent a lot of time with me and all us boys. They knew our voice, so they would write things

in a way that we would naturally speak. It was all there. It was all there to just have fun with. It was a really good job. It was really good. I really liked it. Do you miss it? I do miss it. It was, we talk a lot, but I hardly see the boys anymore because we've all got families and we don't live near each other. And we went from working, spending 14 hours a day at work with each other every day, going back to the same hotel, eating together and then maybe we'd have a day off where we'd probably go to the cinema together

or something like that. We spent, you know, a good few years living like that, all four of us constantly in contact and seeing each other to hardly ever seen each other now, which is such a shame. We did go out for dinner actually just before Christmas and like that was mental trying to arrange that. We started to arrange it in the summer and it was like, oh, I can do this, I can't do that, but I can do this. I mean, that is probably the story of any four friends, but like four friends who are now all very busy with their careers and their families and... It's the family, it's the family.

It's the family, yeah. It's the family, isn't it? But also what happens when you get together? Just slips straight back into the way we behave around each other. We've always been like that. Even as soon as we first met, we never became friends. We just, we just, we were in a waiting room at an audition and we just started taking the piss out of each other.

Just Chinese burning each other. Pretty much, yeah. We were just taking the piss out of each other and laughing. I can imagine it was just immediate. The chemistry was magic, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah, I think so. I do think there are probably better actors than us. Maybe not Blake. I shouldn't say that because Blake's a proper actor. But I don't think... He's not here to defend himself. No, but he'll be listening. You are a proper actor, Blake.

He'll be listening to make sure I don't slag him off. He will be listening with his sensitive ears. Spikes a sensitive man. Me, Joe and Simon definitely won't ever claim to be like really great actors or anything like that. I just think we were really good at that one specific thing for some reason. I don't know why. I don't know what it was about The Inbetweeners that made it really good and really successful because otherwise I would have done more things like it.

I don't know what the recipe was for that. It just worked. Yeah. I think it, because I do think with comedy, there's an alchemy to it. And I think whatever it is was there. And I think it was the writing, I think the scripts, I think it was written from the heart because it was written by two people who were writing about their own childhoods, essentially, teenage lives. Adulthood. Adulthood, sort of.

Yeah, they were sort of 20s. But they were teens, they were at school. I think they set it at school, but most of the anecdotes and the stories, I think they were in their early 20s, all that sort of how they lost their virginity and things like that. Yeah, okay, fair enough. Did you like making the film? Did you enjoy it? Yeah, I loved it. I mean, I think out of everyone, I've milked it the most. From one very small part in the first Inbetweeners movie.

I think it's amazing that I managed to sort of spin any kind of career out of that. I think it's the best. It's the best thing that's ever happened to me. You're really funny and really talented. Sometimes. That's all you need. You only need to do it sometimes. I would have liked to have done more comedy films and more comedy acting after that.

But the truth is there just wasn't that much, you know, it wasn't like, oh, I'll be in the next massive comedy movie that's being made in Britain. There have been a couple, but like there hasn't really been as big a hit. Yeah. Don't think in the film world. Yeah. Since those two movies. I think three, third on the way. Trick question. Third on the way. The irony is that people sometimes turn their nose up at comedy. I know, and it's the hardest. It's the hardest genre.

Like drama. Just something, you know, something happens. I know, because the thing is you don't really, you don't really know when drama's bad. Like you just kind of find it a bit boring, but you really know when comedy is bad. Absolutely. Yeah. It's obvious when comedy is bad. If a drama is bad, it's just like, well, that was just a story that was told. Yeah. Like that's all drama is. Yeah. Whereas comedy, especially with The Inbetweeners,

when we're making the series, it was really important to try and have two funny things or a joke or something funny happen twice every minute. So every 30 seconds, something didn't have to be like laugh out loud funny, but just a reaction or a comment or every 30 seconds, something funny happened and just pepper, pepper, pepper. Did you know that that was the formula? And that like, did you, is that something that you witnessed afterwards? Or was it like, guy, were Ian and Damon saying, guys, just so you know, every 30 seconds.

No, I think it was, I think that was what Ian told us during maybe the second series. He was like, the idea is that we try and have something funny happen every 30 seconds. Per page, it would be, I I mean to have two jokes on per page would be quite a lot. I would say pretty much every line that everyone is saying at any time in the in between is a joke. I think that was the idea.

Plus all your reactions. Yeah, I think that was the idea was that it needs to constantly be funny as much as humanly possible That was all we were trying to do is just make people laugh and I loved that and I loved that ethos but so hard to do really really hard to do and rightly or wrongly The in-betweeners might be a bit of an open goal for its sort of route one pure old disgusting teenage boy nonsense that we went for. But

I promise you, it's really, really hard. And I suppose that's why Ian and Damon were really precious about their script. Did you find they were hard on you guys? Were they tough on you? No. Well, see, the problem is like, there was no professional relationship at all whatsoever. So it wasn't like they could ever be hard on me because I just tend to sharp or something like that, you know, just tend to fuck off. I do remember one time Ian Morris said he was going to lay me out. He said, if you don't stop fucking laughing Buckley and fucking this up, I'm going to

lay you out. What does that mean? Beat you up? Beat me up, yeah. Which I feel like would be a HR nightmare these days. I mean yeah. The irony is that I found that really funny when he said that to me. And then you laughed in his face. But also in his defence I was you know you were there we would laugh a lot. You would laugh a lot because it was funny. Yeah. But also you I just feel like you maybe weren't having

a very good time. When we were making that first film, it was a bit of a roller coaster for me and for Ian and Damon and the other boys that were around me. In that one day, I thought I was making the funniest film that's ever been made before. And then the next day I thought, oh no, we're making, we're actually making the worst film that's ever been made before. And then the next day I thought, Oh no, we're making, we're actually making the

worst film that's ever been made. And it was, it was really, it was really uncharted territory because at that point, which I think people don't realize nowadays, I think they may be taken for granted, but at that point, you did not make movie versions of sitcoms. Yeah. Because they'd been on the buses and like all that sort of stuff. The movie version of a sitcom, it always, even though on the buses and stuff, those films were good, but it'd been tarred with a brush of like, no, they're always rubbish.

The, they make a movie off the back of a sitcom. No one does that. It's always terrible. Don't do it. No one had done it for years and years and years before the in-betweeners decided to do it. And there was, there was a lot of pressure there. It meant a lot to us. It meant a lot to us. Yeah. Cause it was a precious thing. I remember really, really understanding that how precious

it was to everyone. Yeah. When I got there, kind of like this. We're not just making money and having a laugh. Like this is a precious thing that people really put their hearts and souls into every minute and everyone cares about every single shot. And it's meticulous. It just means a lot, it still does.

It just means a lot to us. Yeah. The in-betweeners, which is why whenever people do ask if there's going to be another film and stuff like that, it genuinely is a difficult question to answer because on one hand it would be really, really fun and I'm sure I'd really, really enjoy it. And on the other hand, I think I would really hate it and worry about it and want to make sure

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I've got a feeling as I said that your perfect day is going to be quite close to your actual life and you're basically just going to be describing. So this is what I realised as well, which was actually really lovely in that I do live out my perfect day quite often. Let's have your perfect morning, I wake up, Claire, my wife is already awake and has gone downstairs, so I can lie in bed. I can lie in bed, I can pick up my phone, do a bit of a... She's dealing with the kids. She's got all the stuff, she's just getting away.

There's nothing quite like it. It actually did happen to me this morning. I was like, the earplugs are in. Yeah. I haven't heard that and I'm not getting up. And I like to go through Instagram. Really? Which is a new thing for me.

On your perfect morning? Yeah. You're going through Instagram? Yeah, which is a new thing for me. What do you mean? I'm like a sort of... A late adopter. You only just joined Instagram. No, I've a new thing for me. What do you mean? I'm like a sort of... A late adopter. Have you only just joined Instagram?

No, I've been... I have been on Instagram for a while, but I've not bothered with it or seen what other people were doing on it. Right. What is it that you like about Instagram? There's a lot of really funny young people in it. Okay, nice. There's some really good sketch comedy on it. Who are your favourites? I can't think of their names. Can you? Squidvids I think is one of them. That's one I can remember. Really good. Really, really funny.

Do you know what I'm talking about? No, I just, I know what you mean. Like I can be, but you're not a TikTok guy for that stuff? No. TikTok was the... After I've been recently having some, some fun on Instagram, I did go on TikTok and that seems a lot angrier and a lot more, I don't know if it's, if it, you know, if it's something to do with my analytics or whatever or what TikTok feels I'd respond most to, there's some real heavy stuff, like really sort of not what I really want to. And Instagram's just a bit calmer. Instagram's just, everyone's having more of a laugh. It's usually people, old blokes playing guitar comes up a lot on my feed. I always enjoy that.

Watching old men tell me about their new guitar. Right. Um, check this color out. Like they'll slowly unbox. We've just had a new guitar turn up in the shop and they like hold a little microphone next to the... So it's like ASMR for guitar and dancing? Yeah so they're not even playing it half the time they're just showing you the

guitar and it's like oh that's not nice. I like looking at that. Do you play the guitar? I do yeah I try to not really I enjoy It's a hobby, but it's either that or some really funny young people on Instagram, which is sort of, it's brought back a bit of hope to be honest with you. Because I felt like that as somebody that's supposed to work in comedy, that there wasn't really much going on, there wasn't any opportunities. It wasn't really any, even anything being made that much being made on television. I'm not sure what the percentage is nowadays that's given to comedy on the schedules.

Yeah. Yeah. And the stuff that I did see, I was like, it's not, it's not that funny. Do you know what I mean? And so you now have these people that haven't had to have about 12 meetings with a commissioner so that they can take they are they come to you and go oh have you got an idea and you go I've got this idea and they go that's brilliant it's absolutely amazing work on that then you

spend the next couple of months of your life working on that obsessing over that and then you get oh can you change this can you do that can you can we can we maybe do this or actually this is a bit similar to something else and all that stuff that you could have told me in like the first meeting that we had after a year, maybe of going back and forth with an idea. And then they go, listen, it is really great. And we're so pleased with the work that you've done on it and stuff. But we're huge fans of James. Yeah.

Yeah. But we cut, we don't, we cut it's, we can't do it right now. You can't do it. And he's just like, right, okay. So that doesn't work. What a huge waste of time. So all these people that are making sketch comedy on Instagram and making jokes and things haven't had any of those soul destroying.

They're free, man. They absolutely are. They know exactly who they're making stuff for. They can make it in half an hour, put it out straight away. And sometimes some of it doesn't, some of it doesn't land. Some of it doesn't work, but they can just come straight back with something else the next afternoon. They're allowed to try stuff and to maybe, like I say, maybe make a mistake.

Maybe that joke didn't quite work. Your joke yesterday was much better. All right, cool. Those things are getting way more views than TV ratings and stuff like that. And I think there's, I just think there's something interesting about having somebody who knows why they're doing something

and who they're trying to make laugh and just putting it out and loads of people responding to it. So your perfect morning is you scrolling through Instagram, laughing at funny young people doing videos. Yeah, and it's nice. And do you know what? And this might be me being a bit arrogant

or I don't know what the word is, but I can see a little bit of in between as sort of influence in some of the stuff that people do. I might just be making that up to make myself feel better. But if that is true, that makes me ever so proud. Maybe you're being served in-betweeners adjacent content. That's what it is. Via the algorithm. It's because I'm always...

Because I'm not getting these. I like anything that comes up in-betweeners, I put a heart straight away. Comment. I use an alternate account as well when I'm looking at that stuff it's not my James Buckley account so when I'm looking at in between us I write things like they should make more of this they should pay the actors whatever they demand wait to see the third movie it doesn't matter if it shit everyone should just take the pressure off them and let them do it. Everyone should just let these guys. Then they go, well. Who's this guy? This is definitely James Buck.

On a phantom account. Right, so then what happens next in your perfect morning James? So perfect morning, don't bother with breakfast. I'm not a breakfast guy. I don't need to eat in the morning. I've just slept. Okay. Got enough energy. Right, so you're never a a breakfast guy. No never, never have breakfast. You're one of these fasting guys or it's just never happened? I just need one meal a day. I've always been like that. What? Yeah one big meal a day around tea time. Seriously? Yeah. You eat one meal a day? Yeah. Wow. Yeah I've always been like that like I've been here I left early in the morning this morning like it's quarter past four I've always been like that. Like I've been here. I left early in the morning this morning. Like it's quarter past four. I've had some nuts. There were some nuts that were in the thing.

A handful of hamsters. A handful of nuts. That's wild actually. But I'll eat when I get home. And that'll be your one meal? Yeah. It'll be a big meal. Like it won't be like a... and also it won't be like a salad or like something that's good for me. Do you eat three meals worth of food in one meal? Is that what say? I might do yeah. What are we talking? You want to know

tonight because of just... Do you already know? Yeah because I got I text Claire when I saw an advert for these things and this isn't an endorsement because I haven't had them yet so I don't know what they are but I saw these things called McCain's vibes I saw it on the tube there was an advert for it and they look so many vibes. They look like they look like a well as I say I don't know what they are I don't I don't know if they're any good yet but I saw them I text my wife saying you need to buy these next time you do a shop I want I want these now. Was there a please or? No because I need her to know that I'm serious. I can't have a

fumbling about I don't want to drop the ball on this one. And if you were polite then? If I was polite it might seem like... It might come across as a joke. It's a demand. It's a demand. It's not a question. Yeah McCain's vibes, check them out. They look like a cross between a oven chip and a crisp. They look like a fluffy crisp. Oh, okay. So they are genuinely like salt and vinegar flavoured as well, apparently. Okay.

So I'm going to stick, I'm going to stick, um, a load of them in the air fryer tonight and see how I get on. And with what? You can't just be having those. Yeah. Well, what goes with them? I don't know. But this isn't three meals.

But I'll have a big bowl of it. That's not a meal. That's what I'm looking forward to. You need some meat and some vegetables. Can I recommend some fibre? Yeah. With that bag of frozen carbohydrates. Yeah. Anyway. I do have fibre pills. Oh do you? Yeah little pills because they don't have any fucking fruit or veg. Do you not eat any fruit or veg? James Buckley. No, I'm not going to see old bones. I'm not going to make it.

Not even a little one of those shakes, not even some multivitamins. So I started doing that thing, this green stuff. Yeah, I do that. It's fucking grim. Oh, it's so like, I'd heave while I was drinking it. It was I do that. It's fucking grim. Oh, it's so like I'd heave while I was drinking it. It was like every morning Claire told me I had to stop doing it because it was because it was so dramatic and so like trying to keep the kids in a good mood and send them off to school and stuff like that. And the dad's heaving and spluttering in the corner of the

kitchen. Oh my god. James, back to your perfect morning. You're not eating breakfast because you only have one meal a day. Yeah. What are you doing after you get out of bed? So get out of bed, depending on whether it's a weekday or a weekend, I'll brush my teeth.

If it's a Sunday. This is your perfect day. So it's a perfect day. This is your perfect day. I'm going downstairs. I'm not brushing the teeth. You're not brushing your teeth. I'm your perfect day. So it's perfect though. This is your perfect day. I'm going downstairs. I'm not brushing the teeth. I'm leaving the teeth. Who am I trying to impress? It's your perfect day. You don't have to mess around. Oral hygiene. Go downstairs. First thing I say hello to is my dog Cosmo. Get your priorities right. Sometimes he's the only thing in that house that likes me,

I feel like. But I say hello to him because he is always pleased to see me, which is great. Then I'll probably do a little dance around Claire because I know that she knows that I've been awake for about an hour just scrolling through Instagram upstairs in bed while she's been dealing with shit. scrolling through Instagram upstairs in bed while she's been dealing with shit. So I probably won't, I'll probably let those feelings fizzle out. But it's your perfect day. Yeah, but this is, this is all part of the excitement for me. This is all part of this. Okay.

So you'd still have the spice of life. This is. You'd still have the questionable mood. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. This is what. You'd still be slightly afraid of your wife.

Yeah. It's what amuses me. Um, no, I like it. Yeah, this is what... You'd still be slightly afraid of your wife. Yeah. Even on your perfect day. It's what amuses me. No, I like it. I do like that. I enjoy it. Bless her. I do get a sick pleasure out of making her miserable. Not making her miserable, winding her up. That's what I call it. But she is funny wound up, isn't she?

Yeah, she's hilarious. I've listened to your podcast. She's absolutely hilarious. She gets so angry and flies off the handle and stuff. So what? So you prod her a bit, don't you? What do you expect me to do? Yeah. Then I'll see the boys, see what they're up to.

Probably do a bit of video game time with them. Oh, so how old are you boys? I've got an 11 and 13 year old. Great. They're about to turn 12 and 14, which sounds really weird to me. Two boys, great lads, really nice boys, really, really lovely boys. Very proud of them. They're not the smartest. They're not the fastest, but they are the nicest. That's all I ever ask of them. That's all I ever say to them. I drop them off at school.

I always say, you know, just be the nicest, because that will genuinely get you through life a lot better than being the smartest. Be the nicest person in school. Be the nicest person in your class. Be the nicest person in the room. Yeah. Yeah. They care about other people and are interested in other people and they have

empathy and I like that. So you're playing some video games. What video games are you playing? Um, there's a handful of games that we quite like. We spend a lot of time playing Minecraft. Really? Did you just watch the movie? No, I've managed to, I don't think I'm allowed to go to.

What? No, I'm not. It's not that I'm not allowed to go to kids films anymore. No, I think I've been banned by my family from going with them. The last handful of films, it was the Sonic film we went to see. Very video game. Yeah. Sonic Mario, the Mario film.

Great movie. We went to see this fucking film, man. I think it was called Spies in the Skies in the skies or spies in disguise or something like that I think it was like a Will Smith voiced Animation anyway kids films bore the fuck out of me the Mario movies excellent. I couldn't tell you because I fell asleep I'm afraid I did have a nap in the minecraft movie, but that's why I go All I do is fall asleep in these films. What's wrong with that? Use it as a sleepy time. No but then you get the... like they take it personally. Oh they want you to be... Because my kids, they love Mario,

they love Sonic and if I've fallen asleep during Sonic's film, if Sonic finds out about this dad, you're gonna, you know, you've embarrassed us dad. Oh, they're not very bright are they? No. You did say. Um, okay. You're playing video games, maybe Minecraft. That will go on for hours. With you, with your kids.

Yeah. Are they, can you see them going into daddy's line of work? They're creative. They are creative. Would you want them to? I don't mind. I just want them to be happy. I don't mind what they end up doing. I think Harrison, my oldest, definitely has a performer thing in him. Sometimes I take the piss out of him. I say, this isn't Harrison the movie

and we're not all characters in. And does he say, you told me to be nice dad. Yeah, but I like to joke with him. Both my kids are really funny. That's one thing I'm very, very proud of is that they've both got great sense of humours and he'll come in and hold court and tell me an anecdote and stuff like this. And I was like, do you think you're something special? Do you think you're Zac Efron from the high school musical or something? When he tells me something that happened to him at school or something. I'm like, mate, come on.

He's a rock concert. He is. He's a, he can pretty much play any instrument. Wow. You just leave him in a room with an instrument about two hours later, he'll play you a song on it. It's really weird, really bizarre. Kids do that.

That's incredible. Kids do that. No, they don't. They do. Not all kids do that. No, they definitely do. Kids, kids pick up stuff Yeah, but languages and stuff like when you if you go there's nothing else to do

Here's a guitar. They'll go Okay, and then you shut the door and you come back like literally leaving there for the afternoon I think you're allowed to do that. I think we need to call social services But especially mine's three. Am I allowed to do that? That's the best time. Has it been, get, get, get, get, get them into welding. Like I've got a collection of guitars.

I don't think there's a room in our house that doesn't have a guitar in it. And so he was always next to a guitar or near a guitar and then then literally one afternoon, you went, Oh, dad, look at this. Look what I've been doing. What's going on? What's happened here? You just very cool. See, I have a theory that men learn the guitar because I mean, I don't mean this. It's going to sound weird in connection to your child, but the men learn guitar

because they want to get laid. That's very cynical, but think it's why more men play guitar. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I think that's why they around the age of tweeny, 10, 11, 12, when they're starting to develop, that they suddenly go, oh, I wonder what I could do with this guitar. I wonder if that would impress anyone. Did it work for you, James? Did you serenade the ladies? I'd break your heart.

I do serenade Claire, actually. I've just realized, I've just remembered this. Oh, is this in your perfect morning? I do it, but I do it really loudly and in her ear while she's trying to do stuff. God, you really wind her up, don't you? So when she needs me to do something, like, she's like, I'm struggling here. Literally saying things like that to me.

Struggling here, James, you reckon you could help with this? This needs to be taken to the garage. I will start singing everything that she's telling. I would turn it into a song. She'll be saying, can you please take this up? I need you to get into the loft. I need you to get in the loft. Have you ever been punched? She must get so annoyed. Yeah, she does. Or does she find it funny? Or does it have the effect of... No, no, no. She does get genuinely annoyed because I do. It is genuinely annoying. Shall we move on to your perfect afternoon?

Perfect afternoon, really simple. It's the sesh, the video game sesh for my boys. That will carry on till tea time. time what yeah, we can do Yeah, absolutely we can read it because if you're playing a game like minecraft or something like that There's there's a lot of investment there. There's a lot of building to do. It's a lot of building a lot of gathering It's hard work what is it because my daughter's really interested in it now Yeah, because this is what's so clever about it is that they brought the film out and so you might not even know the game

and now you've been to see the film, obviously you're gonna want to play the game. It is a good fun game. So basically you're on a world where you're in this, you're on this world where everything's blocks, right? Yeah. But everything is something, right? Everything, so you...

Please expand. Just like real life, I guess. If you chop down a tree in this world, you're left with logs and leaves and sticks. Materials. Yeah, and you can use those things to create stuff. So you can use those things to build a house. You can build a house and then you build an oven and then you try to survive

because of their baddies attacking you. Yeah. Nighttime baddies come out. Are you playing it all together? Yeah, we're all there. We're all in the same. So you've all got a console. Yeah.

You're all in the same world building your own shit. So do you have your own part of the screen? No, we each have our own screen. Oh right so you're all on three different devices. Me and my boys have all got our own computers yeah. Ah right okay. I used to be a big Sims fan. Ah I love Sims. I love Sims so much. I tell you what, Sims with the cheats. I don't really like playing games with cheats because there's always like

oh well what's the point of playing it? Do you still play it? I haven't for a long time. I've got all the latest versions and stuff still. Cause I always keep up to date with it. Cause I've always like, when I get a bit of time, I'm going to play that. But the Sims with the cheats was so much fun. You could just give yourself an unlimited amount of money and just build your

dream house and stuff like that. And I loved it. I wouldn't be, I wouldn't want to do that. No, no, I want to work for it. You'd want to just scrabble. What's the point? I used to play it a lot when I was like revising for my GCSEs and it was my little out, my little sort of like escapism. And I played it a bit at school and then I stopped for ages. And then when I became a sort of writer, I guess in my like twenties, I realised it was quite good to have something that was like, you know, a different world to go into.

And I had to stop playing it because I just re, I got into like a feedback loop where my Sim just kept choking on a bagel. Right. They just kept dying of the same thing, just constantly choking on the same bagel. And every time you'd reload the game. And I'd reload it and then I'd just get to the same point again where he choked on it And I was just absolutely mortified that my sim kept choking on a bagel James This is the problem

Don't listen if you can't handle it. I don't think this happens in Minecraft I think it's a world of infinite possibilities. You do die and you lose all your stuff It's awful. Sometimes you don't. Really? You just get totally wiped out. Zero. Because obviously like there's some stuff that's more scarce than other. So diamonds is a really important thing because then you can create a diamond sword and it's

tough and strong. Right, right, right. Yeah. That's a big feature of the movie. Sometimes if you spend so long trying to mine diamonds and you manage to find them, you build yourself a diamond armor, suit, sword, shield, an axe, or a pickaxe, diamond pickaxe, they're important.

If you get killed and you lose all that, it's like, oh man, I've just, I've literally wasted like days, took me days to try and get all that. But what's the aim of the game, just to like have loads of stuff? I suppose you can always carry on. You can always like build more.

And I think that's what's interesting about the game. Okay, so we wrap up the game, Sesh. Let's move on to the night. A thing that I like to do at the moment, especially as the days are longer and it's quite sunny in the evenings, and this is before tea time actually, I like to walk the dog in the evenings. It used to be only a few weeks ago, first thing in the morning, about sort of seven o'clock, maybe six o'clock in the morning, I like to get out before anyone else does. It's this huge park that I like to take him to. And there's like forest and lakes and massive fields for him to run around and stuff. Where do you live?

Don't want to. Oh no, don't start. It just sounds like you live in like Colorado. Yes, I live in Colorado. No, it's like, have you ever seen Yellowstone? No, I haven't seen Yellowstone. It's a lot like that where I live. I take the dog to this place and it's like, have you ever seen Yellowstone? No, I haven't seen it. It's a lot like that where I live. I take the dog to this place and it's, it's just absolutely brilliant.

And in the evening, it's getting a bit cooler and the sun's going down and it's super peaceful and there's no one else there and it's absolutely huge. Like it's, I love it. And I just let him off his lead and he just sticks with me. It's just a really great way to wrap up the day, I think. And then go home, have some Chuck, some bird's eye potato waffles, maybe maybe Fin de crispy pancake or something. Love smiley faces.

Um, love Bernard Matthews turkey drummers. Cause sometimes they're a bit slimy, but I like that. Juicy. It's a lot of like frozen sort of frozen processed school dinner. because sometimes they're a bit slimy. But I like that. All juicy. It's a lot of frozen, sort of like school dinner-y type food. Yeah. Kids food? Yes, toddlers. I've got the diet of a toddler. Clara has tried to cook me dinners and stuff, like grown up dinners. And she will do. I like pasta. I do like pasta and lasagna and things like that.

Do you have to have your own plate? Sometimes, yeah. A lot of the time, yeah. Sometimes she will do, I like pasta. I do like pasta and lasagna and things like that. Do you have to have your own plate? Sometimes, yeah, a lot of the time, yeah. Sometimes she will join me. Do you eat what the kids eat or do you have your own thing that's different to the kids and Claire? Do you know what, right? And I don't know if this is a sign of the times or whether we are just really soft as parents,

but the kids have different meals. Oh my God. The two boys. Listen, and- This is a lot of work, guys. Nothing to do with me. I don't, set foot in the kitchen. I wouldn't. The two boys. Listen, and a lot of work guys. Nothing to do with me. I don't set foot in the kitchen. I wouldn't.

I'm too busy. You wouldn't see me in there. Um, no, genuinely nothing to do with me. Sing about it on the guitar. Sure. No, usually if it's my perfect day, it would be a curry. It'd be a takeaway and put on like a real, like a fun shit horror film and watch that with Claire. What's your curry order? Chicken tikka vindaloo. Vindaloo? Yeah I do like spicy food. What?

That's inedibly. No it's not, no it's not. Foul. I like spicy food and foul is probably one. This is wild because for a man who eats very bland food most of the time, I'm absolutely gobsmacked that you can handle a vindaloo. To be fair, I'm adding stuff to those. When I like make my oven, my smileys, I'm adding like rubs and spices and stuff to them in the, in the air fryer to give them a bit more of a kick and a bit more of a flavor and things like that. Dip them in buffalo sauce or something. I do like spice. I'm getting hungry now thinking

about it. Yeah, that does sound nice actually. Chicken tikka vindaloo chips, not rice. Nice. Korean chips. Onion barges, garlic naan, some papadums. What horror film? You're a big horror fan. My wife is. That's what she likes. She likes it more than me. I think horror is a fun genre where if you don't take it seriously then you can really enjoy watching a horror film.

Do you feel scared though by horror? Some films do yeah. Some films do. I hate feeling scared. Just don't want to invite fear into, I just, I don't find it relaxing. I actually really don't understand the psychology of people who watch horror films. I suppose it's like those people that enjoy getting tattooed or people that enjoy jumping out of a plane or something or bungee jumping. Now I'm never gonna do that ever. There's nothing like, when I'm on a plane

at the bottom of the list of things that I'd want to do is jump out of it. That's the last thing. If I've done everything else. The guy who opened the door on the plane. Who's that? Did you hear about that? There was that news story about the guy who just like had, just was overcome by some weird feeling and just opened the door and like loaded.

On a jumbo jet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mid-flight. You can't open the door well he could and he did it must have been while they were either landing or taking off maybe they were just taking off yeah because of the air pressure you actually can't you can't like even if you could because they've got that big red handle you know quite a lot about this why do you know so much about it because as i was screaming we're all gonna die, motherfuckers.

The stewardess went, there's no point trying because you won't be able to open it anyway because of the air pressure. And I felt really silly. It's weird you don't get much coverage on that story, James. Have you also seen the one from the 90s where the pilot falls out the window?

That's an amazing one. The pilot who fell out the wind day. Yeah. The wind... Yeah, wasn't they holding onto him? Yeah, yeah. It's just like, there's a picture of him just... Yeah, I remember that. ...sort of stuck to the... And his shirt fell off. His trousers fell down. There's no dignity. His hat blew off and everything. He looked right silly. And it didn't have a tissue. He looked so soft. Oh James, we do usually have a bonus question but I don't think we've got time. Have I used it up? I actually think we've had your recommendation for the week. I think it's McCain's vibes. Yeah, go and check them out.

You haven't. No, I haven't. But I've got high hopes. There's two flavours, can't remember what they are. I've got salt and vinegar and I've got another. I might make them both. Well, you okay and well enjoy that. No, I just, I'm worried about...

Why are you ushering me? I'm actually worried about... Don't usher me. I'm worried about your nutrition. I'm worried about... Oh, don't worry, it'll be fine. I take lots of supplements. No you don't. You can't get them down. You gag when you try and have them.

You've already admitted to that. Pilful. James, thanks so much for coming on to my show. Hope I haven't ruined it. You haven't. You haven't ruined it. It's been great. Enjoy your one meal of the day. I can't wait. Check out James's podcast, the Buckleys. Anything else you want to plug?

Nah, that'll do. That'll do. Yeah. Thank you. Bye mate. Bye. See you on the set of The Inbetweeners 3. I'll be there. That was James.

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