PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Anthony Gargano and Fran Duffy talk NFL Draft and Eagles potential picks

Episode Date: April 18, 2025

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we said, good evening, my brother. What's going on, man? We're one week out. Well, all the work that you have put in over this period, all the hours and hours of film study. Like, when Franny does it, he's thinking about it. We all,

everybody's going to mock draft, right? But most people do mock drafts as to what they hear, like a lot of NFL reporters. They go, I'm hearing this. And, you know, half of them because they're covered in NFL teams, don't even watch college football, right?

Frannis, these are his own opinions, right? Like, he's breaking down film the way coaches would, the way personnel guys would. I try to. You know, I think the big thing is that, and that's the thing is I watch a lot of NFL film, obviously.

the big thing, I've always been a big believer. If you're going to cover the draft, you've got to cover the league too. You've got to be able to watch NFL film. You have to see what plays. If I'm watching Jad A. Barron, the corner from Texas, and everybody in their mother says, hey, this guy's a top 15 pick, top 20 pick. I'm like, I don't like this part of his game. I don't like this part of his game.

I worry that he's not necessarily like a top flight nickel, but this is a guy that plays as a fourth DB consistently. If you don't have that background, it's going to be tough to have assertive opinions on these players. So it's a lot of work. It's a year-round journey, but I'm excited that we're one week out.

Well, it's funny because we had this conversation today. Literally today. And we were talking to Fran, and Franey go, we were talking about next year. And he's like, yeah, next year's going to be a big year. And one of our guys, who's terrific, one of our executives at PHLY

in All City, which is the para company, Sam Landman. My man, Sam, goes, wait a second, next year. And he went, yeah, he goes, I'll start. When will you start? A few weeks. I mean, look, we're one week got from this draft.

I'll give myself a week before I'm watching, you know, Kate Klubnick or Drew Aller or, you know, somebody from 2026. And that's what it is. You know, every year, are you at 26? Are you a 27? You know, 28s? Like, that's what you're looking at. You're looking at the draft classes.

Let's focus and start this summit with the Eagles. Yeah. Right? Because, you know, there's a bit of a seed change this all season. reason when it comes to the roster with the Eagles, they made no bones about it. They needed to pair payroll. Right? Like, you know,

they were able to kind of navigate the cap a little bit by paying a lot of money up front. And, you know, at some point, you got to make sure that you don't ruin your future. Yes. And so this is a pullback year. That they have talent doesn't mean they're going to pull back

when it comes to success, but when it comes to salary, how they run their contracts, this is a pullback year. Yeah, and it's one of those things where you know that if we're going to continue to be this way, you have to have years like this because if you want to continue to pay Jalen Carter and Quinyon Mitchell

and Cooper DeGine and all these other guys coming down the pipe, it's not necessarily like a salary cap issue. It's a cash issue. It's a matter of making sure that we've got the funds on hand to be able to work the way that we want to work on a year-to-year basis, and so you're going to have years like this where you've got to make some tough choices.

And it's interesting because you brought it up the cash issue. Like when you came a guy up front. A lot of that is determined to give you flexibility under the cap. Yep. But it's like people, you don't realize that that's real money. Right. Like when they go, oh yeah, I gave you a 40

million. That's 40 million hard dollars that's real. It may look like a number on the screen and for us it doesn't mean anything. But it's legit. So that's, you know, when you think about this stuff as a business, that's all a part of what's going on

here. So, we know that and that brings me to the big story of the Eagles entering this draft and that's Dallas Godot. Yep. Yeah, I mean, it's look, it certainly feels like he has played his last game as an eagle. It's not done until it's done, but just listening to Jeffrey Lurie and Howie Roseman and Nick Siriani speak at the owners meetings a couple weeks ago down in Florida, it feels like the end of the Dallas Goddard era here in Philadelphia. Now, they don't have a one-for-one replacement for Dallas Gotter on the roster right now. They've played eight or nine games. without him this year, so they know they can get by without him.

But at the end of the day, you'd still like to have an A-plus talent at that position. How often have we heard Nick Siriani say that the past game runs through A.J. Brown, Devante Smith and Dallas got her. So he would always include Dallas in there because we know how important he is. And he also has that huge impact on the run game. And so you're not going to find a one-for-one for replacement, even in the draft. They're going to have to figure out a way to kind of do that with a group effort. But I would be surprised if we got out of, say, day two, and they didn't have a tight end.

Well, I'm supposed to think about it. I'm thinking, I don't see it on Thursday, but I think Friday, I think Friday rounds two and three, I think that's when you'll see your tight end. Yeah, yeah, it's a good class for it. And that's the one thing that works in their favor. Now, the kid I love is Taylor. We've talked about him before. I don't think he'll be there.

Yeah. I think he's either late, first, early second. I think in that, where do you have Taylor at? Yeah, so I did my seven-round. draft, which is up right now at all p.h.O.I.com. And it's all seven rounds, all 32 teams. So it's 257 picks and explanations for every single selection. Now, I had...

Let me, before you just go further, right? Because I printed this out. I wanted to print it out. Yeah. I don't know why you printed out. I would have kept you from doing it. No, but I love this. This is so unbelievable. Like, Frannie will go, like,

pick 165. Dequan felt. from Virginia Tech. It's a good player. Now, he's a good player. Now, look what he gives you, right? Like, he gives you a real write-up. Like, this isn't just, you know,

he gives you everything from... Felton is similar in a lot of ways to the players that took him this stretch a year ago and Johnny Wilson, right? So we know, he's a bigger body. He's 6-5-213. Feltin is strong through contact, explosive traits on film,

And he had a solid week of practice, senior bowl a couple months ago. Then he goes on and on. This is what you get. I hear these draft guys. I go, all right, some are good or whatever. Ain't like him. I'm sorry. I appreciate it.

So let me ask you this. So let me ask you about Taylor. Yeah. What do you have him going? I have him going in like the, it was like the 40s, I believe. And I put in the write-up, I was like, he's going to go earlier than this. I think he does. Yeah.

So when I do a mock draft, I usually, I'm doing it pick by pick. It's not like, oh, you know, I definitely want to get this guy here and this guy there. And I'm picking it. It's, all right, pick number one. It's going to be Cam Ward. All right. Pick number two. Pick number three.

And you go right down the line. And so I got to this point. And I'm like, Mason Taylor's still on the board. So I put in the right up, he's going to go earlier than this. So I'm looking at these teams in the back end of the first round. The earliest, I would say, he would fit Baltimore. You know, they're moving on from Mark Andrews. They've got Isaiah likely.

Yeah, but that's not enough. And he's entering a contract year likely. So I would say that would probably be the high point for Mason Taylor. He would make some sense there. But after that, Detroit, they're not taking. And Washington just took a tight end in the second round last year. Buffalo took Kincaid in the first round a couple years ago. 31, you've got the Chiefs.

I don't think that they would take him. So my guess is if he's going to go that high, it would be Baltimore unless there's a team that trades down, in which case the L.A. Rams would be one I would watch for. That would be a team that would make sense. They need so bad. Yes. It's amazing they've gone this. Really? They haven't had Higby's been their guy.

It's just not good enough. And they have talked in the past, the L.A. Rams. One of the things I do is, you will appreciate this. I listen to as many head coach and GM press conferences as possible from around the league. And usually it's all right. Combine immediately after the season, the GM will speak, owners meetings. And I just try and glean as much information. Toast draft is a big one.

And I keep a catalog on all these guys. So you have a file with, say, lions, and you'll love all the lion stuff. So, like, L.A. Rams, I can tell you. One of the things that the L.A. Rams have consistently talked about after drafts when they select players, they like NFL bloodlines. All right. Mason Taylor, son of Hall of Fame or Jason Taylor. Wow. That makes a lot of sense.

They love to be able to get offensive playmakers from McVeigh. It was a defense heavy drafting year ago. I really do feel it will be an offensive player. Yes, he's paid his dues. I think he's doing it. Mason Taylor on the Rams. Yeah. We're connecting dots.

This is what you do when you're going to go through the extra shots. I love that. I love that. In fact, what do they do? I hear my pants in here. Because I'm taking notes as we speak because, you know, stuff like that, we get ideas, and I like that a lot. I can totally see that. So let's go into it.

You know, I know people, you know how we are Philadelphia, right? Like, we leave with our heart, right? Because I was asked a question the other day at one of the Little League games. Hey, eh, I heard the Eagles are trading up. for Warren. And that was my reaction. I was like, no, brother. Well, I heard they were going to give up, you know, like half your drink.

Like, no, no, that's not going to happen. That's not going to happen. But let's look at the tight ends that could be available for the Eagles. Before we get to Thursday, since we're on the Goddard topic, what tight ends do you see? I mean, we talked about a royal you and I from Miami. Yeah. give me the tight ends that you think will be available that they may look at in round two or three.

So Arroyo would be the first name that pops into my mind. And to me, when I look at Arroyo, what's a separating factor for him, he's so dynamic at the tight end position. This is a guy that has the ability to create with the ball in his hands. We've talked about that with Dallas Goddard in the past. That's one of the things that makes him special is his ability, you know, the screen game, the RPO game, those little underneath routes where he's running to the flat

to turn that into an explosive play. When I look at a Royo, I mean, special, special numbers after the catch. He averaged nearly nine yards after the catch per reception over the course of his career. That's just insane. That's almost the first down every time you get the ball into this guy's hands. But also, like typically when you see a guy that has those kind of numbers, it's usually, oh, it's a lot of dump-offs because that he's able to catch and run. He's also targeted vertically down the field at a higher rate that any tight end I've seen coming out in the last 10 years. So he is a vertical threat, but then also has that ability to turn and catch and run.

Now, you're saying, well, why is this guy going so late? He's been there four years of Miami. This past year was the only year where he was really fully healthy. He only had 11 catches in his entire career coming into the season. And so when you're looking at Arroyo, you've got to better on the durability. He's also not a good blocker. He's like a average blocker. He'll try, but he's not good at it.

Yeah, he's not going to be, like I think, I would say he's better than Calcutera. Right. Not as good. Goddard is A plus. Yes. Yeah, Goddard's A plus. You're going to miss that. You're not going to replace that right now.

No. There are tight ends in this draft that can do it, but they're not the receiver that Goddard is. That's what makes Goddard special. Yeah, yeah. All right, you got a Royo. Let's go down the list in the tight end spot. Let's go Harold Fanon, Jr. from Bowling Green. Okay, now we know about the quarterback coach.

No question. So they hired Scott Leffler to be the quarterback's coach. He was previously the head coach at Bowling Green, where Harold Fanon last year, listen to these numbers for a tight end. 117 catches 1,500 yards, 10 touchdowns for a tight end. He had nine carries for 65 yards and another touchdown as well. Yeah, that's sick. Ridiccicably.

They funneled the offense through this player. So when you are looking at Harold Fannan Jr., undersized, 6'3, 240 pounds. He's a gawky athlete. He's a little duck-footed. You see him get in and out of breaks. It doesn't look sexy. The guy is just so productive. He catches everything.

The routes are pretty good. It's like a Royal where he gives effort as a blocker, but at that size, there are limitations. But I kind of appreciate the chip that he does play with, but it seems like he's probably going to go third round. I mean, you can't argue with the production. He's young, only a true junior. There's a lot to like there and obviously familiar with the coaching staff. Yeah, we'll know what Leffler really thinks of him. Like, you know, because when you have that kind of intel, you're going to go, listen.

You got to take this kid, you know. So it'll be interesting to see. you know, where he fits as relation to Arroyo. All right. Who else? So after that, I think there's a slight tear drop for me. You're not going to go. I don't think that's a day two. There's nobody left, right?

Actually, there's one more guy that's getting some day two buzz, and that's from Oregon. He's actually a player. We were talking about Tyler Higby earlier. This kid really reminds me of Higby, and that's Terrence Ferguson from Oregon. Went to the Senior Bowl, had a solid performance down there, went to the Combine, had one of the better workouts at the position at the Combine.

6-5, 250 pounds, 3-year starter at Oregon. More receiver than Blocker. He's honestly very similar to Mason Taylor. I think when you're looking at Mason Taylor, skill set-wise, he's just been a better player in the SEC. He's younger. But it's like a Diet Coke version. Terrence Ferguson. I do think it sounds like he's going to go anywhere in like the top 90 picks. He could sneak into the back end of round two. There's been some buzz there. So Terrence Ferguson would be the other guy. By the end of Friday night, he will find a home. All right. So here you got, there's your, those are the three tight ends that are going to be involved

where the Eagles are going to be picking in day two, three. We don't think that they'll go tight-in-I- don't see that on Thursday. Would have Taylor falls at 32? If he's there at 32. I mean, I think that's the move. I mean, it depends on two things. One, how does the board look

with the relation to some of the suspect players, right? because let's get into it now because you'll leave me right into it my man it's like we've done it before because the two guys that I know the Eagles cut they like right but they're slotted to go before them right is Walter Nolan and and Reed yeah Mike Green from from you know Mike Green from Marshall Marshall. Insane production this past year. Honestly, both players had really strong seasons for the respective teams. We'll start with Mike Green. Undersized pass rusher, compact frame. I actually had him going to the Chiefs in my mock draft, and one of the comparisons I made, he might remind Andy Reid of Trent Cole. I think when you look at the play personality, he's extremely

violent. This is a high collision, high impact player, run game, and pass game. I worry a little bit about the size. He's really bendy and flexible, but not super explosive. And so to me, when I'm looking at a guy with that size, I want A-plus traits, and that's what gives me a little bit of pause, but you can't argue with the production. I talked about this. Somebody told me

he's got great ferocity, is what they said. I mean, the violence is apparent, the moment you turn him on, and that's one of the things I love about his game. You know, 6-3-250, very short arms, but this is a guy who this past year, 23 TFL, 17 sacks,

in 13 games. I mean, extreme, extreme production. I mean, those numbers are ridiculous. Carl's no calls. It's amazing. And look, they played, it wasn't just a Sunbelt schedule. They played Ohio State. They played Virginia Tech.

He had sacks in both games. He goes to the senior ball. Had a solid week down there. A couple days of practice. One of the clips that went viral over the course of the week where he just destroyed the tackle from Oregon. Josh Connerly caught him on a play and, like, knocked him horizontal on the rep.

So the violence, apparently. on that play. And then Nolan tackle, who I love. I mean, everybody loves him. In fact, I was talking to somebody and they went, if somehow the Eagles were able to trade up to get him, because you have to be in a spot where it's a tradable spot. Him next to Carter would be one of the all-time, not-fair kind of lines.

I mean, one of the names I wrote down while watching him for the first time in October was Jalen Carter because of the traits. I think when you're looking at Walter Nolan, He's not Jalen Carter. Otherwise, he'd be going higher. But I think when you're looking at the combination of quickness, explosiveness, and power, the ability to win at the top of the rush, what he can do in the run.

I mean, he's a really phenomenal player. But here's the thing, though, Ann, is that I'm watching him. And I'm starved, this draft is starving for Blue Chip Talent. So I'm watching, it was, you know, middle of the fall. And I said, yep, this guy's one of those guys. He's a top 20 pick in any draft. And we get through the fall, and we get through, he goes to the senior ball.

I thought he was good down there. But a lot of the mock drafts have him kind of back into the first round, sometimes out of the frown. A lot of mock drafts have him falling out of round one. And there's questions about like the maturity, you know, what happened to Texas A&M? He's there for two years. Then he leaves. What happened there? All I can tell you, this kid is a phenomenal football player. Is it always consistent? He gets moved off the ball a little bit, little things from a technique standpoint that he can improve on, but the traits are all there. I would love to take this guy in the top 20. So when we come back, we're taking a quick, quick respite. When we come back,

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Late first round. late first. Because I remember, you go, wait a more and sap, but there was issues with weed and whatever. Dan Marino was that. Same thing. Yep.

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All right. So let's talk about character issues for a second, because it's a huge part of this thing. And we don't know. There's a war chest of information that we don't know about players. are they smart are they not are they football smart are they not are they what kind of character are they are they team guys are they me guys are they tough guys are they soft guys

are they bad guys all right now everybody's got issues right there's phones there's things everybody solve issues you know what not the kids fault right sometimes kids fall right

there's a wide variety of spectrum one of the reasons why they interview you. One of the reason why they go over and over things. One of the reasons why they ask ridiculous questions. They have the team psychologist. I mean, you name it, right? They want to just kind of poke and probe. It's like what they do with medical. They're going to do with mental. So it's a big deal. Yeah, and there's so many different layers to it, as you mentioned. And the big thing, too, is that every team is going to look at it differently. Not all 32 teams are going to look at the same player and come to the same conclusion. And you also have to

taking no account the factor of who you already have in your building. So if you've got, we'll say Fletcher Cox and Brandon Graham in your defensive line room, then you could take more risks with defensive linemen because you know, you know what, we're going to bring them in and those guys are going to take them under their wing, right? Where if you don't have veterans in your room, if you don't have guys that are there, well then maybe you're a little bit more conservative with it. And so that's an example that a team, I'm not saying that's the case with the Eagles, but that's what each team is asking themselves when you have these kind of situations pop up. And it's as you mentioned, where it could be intelligence, football intelligence,

could be character in terms of how are they going to, do my teammates like you? Does the coach like you? Does the coach want to coach you? Because a lot of times you'll see when you look at 30 visits, teams are bringing in seven linebackers. Linebacker coach meets with all of them. And the coach might just say, hey, like, yeah,

I like to coach this guy, this guy and this guy. I don't know how you sack them on the board, but these are the three that I like most, just on a personal level. And the GM, it's up to the decision maker to take all of that information in and make the best choice. You only get seven of them, on average, every year. You've got to make seven of those calls.

And see, here's the other thing that people don't realize is that, you know, these veteran football coaches, they're like dogs, like instincts. Yeah. Like, they can tell you right, they sniff it. No, this kid's not a player. Like, they can tell you, they can sniff it on you. Yep. You know, I don't tell you.

Like, this kid's a baller. I can see it. I like the way the kid. I get the good vibe off the guy, the whole thing. the Eagles do have a huge advantage. All right. Dominic. Yeah, I mean, the best there is at it.

You know, I know people think, oh, big Dom and he's fun and he's like this cartoon character. He is really good at his job, all right? Dominic knows, first of all, is like a PI, all right? He can find out any information on you. He's got contacts in all kinds of law enforcement everywhere between, you know, all the the cult country, FBI, Homeland Security, I mean, you name it. You know, there's a, he's that guy. He's a fixer.

He knows how to, you know, sift through guys. He's also well-liked by the players. The players respect them. That's the one thing. He's big, all right? So the players look at him. He's got size. He's a cool guy, right?

Like, he's got swag. And the players respect that, which is a big deal. And not just the players in Philadelphia. No. Players around the. NFL. Call Dom for things that they need. And not even just football players.

Like, athletes around. It's amazing. His reach. Yes. Yeah. Like, if you get any kind of problem, like, you know. But even beyond that, Dom is really legit. He's well-liked.

Yeah. And so, for good reason. But he's respected. Yep. So if he tells a player, yo dude, calm down. You're going to mess up your career. and he'll talk to you, and he's going to talk to you like you get talked to on the street, right? It's not for the faint of heart.

They listen to him. Yep. So that's a big deal. That's something the Eagles. So I believe, now I'm just, again, I'm just guessing, but I do believe that Walter Nolan and Green are both greenlit. Because what happens is you got red light green light. Yep. Red light is, nope, I don't care what happens.

He's not on our board. X. doesn't appear on our board. The green light is, all right, we can deal with him. He's on the board. And it's like that with the medical as well. That's how it works for medical. It's you're either green light and it's like, okay, is it a green light or yellow light? Right. It's like, all right, we take them high or maybe we could take that chance we get the day three or it's just no matter what, like this guy's off the board. And this is around the time. It was probably about a week ago as teams were starting to get that intel from the, from the combine medical check, the

read the recheck, because basically what happens is the NFL will bring back, we'll call it like a dozen to two dozen players, back to Indianapolis in late March, mid-March for a medical recheck, a month after the combine. You know, guys that just got late surgeries or had a surgery in the season that now they're recovering from. You get that intel, and then it's thumbs up, thumbs down. And there are a lot of guys that were, they just get completely taken off the word. That's what when a guy like D.K. Metka falls to the late second round, it's because a lot of teams.

He's off the board because of the back. Yeah, the Eagles had him off the board. Yeah, right. I remember talking to Howie. Don't do, dude, Dick Kemp. Not wasn't medicals, dude. Medicals. Yep.

By the way, the Bills and Trey White reached an agreement. Oh. One year, 6.8 million. All right. He lost a step or two. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I loved him at LSU, man. Oh, my God.

I love Trudeavis wife. Let's go into what the Eagles will do, all right? Eagle stay put. Give us five names. you're thinking. All right. Or whatever. Yeah, sure.

We'll go through a few. I mean, the most popular name in terms of, even at 32 at 32 in mock troughs is Walter Nolan. We've talked about Nolan. You and I believe it's probably going to require a trade-up to get Walter Nolan. I would say after that, one player that I would keep an eye on would be the edge rusher Nick Scorton from Texas A&M, a player that was in Philadelphia for visit last week, took a picture with Brandon Graham, post that.

that on social media. That's a lot of fun. The big thing when you're looking at Scorton, one of the youngest players in the draft, doesn't turn 21 until later this summer, led the Big Tenon Sacks as a 19-year-old two years ago as a sophomore. He was about 265 at that point,

265 pounds. So he leads the Big Tenon Sacks at Purdue, and he says, all right, I'm going to go into the transfer portal. Goes to the transfer portal, goes to Texas A&M, new coaching staff. They had guys going out.

He's not going to go down to A&M. I want to focus on my run defense. I prove what I can do as a rusher. I'm going to add weight, prove to the NFL that I can be like that true every down sturdy defensive end, puts on 20 pounds, gets north of 280, just didn't look great. You know, you tell you lost some juice off the ball,

wasn't as explosive, was not as productive, wasn't as efficient as a rusher this past year for A&M. Goes to the combine. He gets down under 260. He looks like a different player. He looks like it looks at the version that you saw in 2023. Now, depending on who you talk to, some people say that, you know, Texas A&M was one

who told them to put on the weight. Some people say that, hey, he took it upon himself. He wanted it. But it wasn't like, you know, he ate too many cheese sticks. Like, he lost it. It was that he purposely, he just made a bad call. Whatever it was, put on that weight. Well, now the weights off.

It's 265. He's a good player. And so that would be a guy that if they're there late in the first round, you know, I didn't love Scorton as a top 15 pick coming into the season. But seeing him here at, you know, at 32, I think that would make a lot of sense. That would be one game, certainly, to keep in mind. All right. All right.

Who else you got? All right. Another name I would keep an eye on. I think that you start looking at offensive linemen. And one name that has consistently gone to the back end of round one in mock drafts. In my mock, he actually fell to the 32nd pick. That's Ohio State left tackle Josh Simmons. Now, one of the things with Simmons is that his film, he was well on his way at to being a top 10 pick this year.

Redshirt Jr. Started his career at San Diego State as a right tackle. Transferred to Ohio State two seasons ago, played left tackle. was a little up and down in 2023. Came out of the gates this year. Just a beast. Run game, past game. Guys couldn't get past them. He was moving people off the ball.

He's finishing guys to the dirt. The problem is they didn't play anybody to start the year. The defensive lines they went up against were a little bit weaker, the lower level of competition teams. First big game, mid-October, against Oregon. Great D-line. He tears his Patelor 10 in the first quarter, second quarter. So when he gets hurt in that game,

now a sudden he's out for the year, and we don't get to see him against Penn State and Abdul Carter. We don't get to see him against Michigan and Josiah Stewart. We don't get to see him in the college football playoff and James Pierce and that gauntlet of defensive lines that they went through. So we don't get to see it. The Torreterler, that's where the injury that Nicoby Dean's going through, that's a tricky injury when it comes to athleticism.

So that's going to cause him to fall a little bit. This guy that could have gone to the top 10. Is he going to be there at 32 potentially? How do you feel about the Eagles drafting a tackle? If you're committed to Lane Johnson, you're committed to Jordan Milata, he could be the best player on the board. Are they in that spot where they want to take a guy that might have to sit for a year? More two. More two.

Yeah, it's tough. Yeah, I'm not in love with that idea. Yep. You know, if he was a swing guy, but he can't go inside. So I just don't think, you can never have enough tackles. I get it. Yep. But when you're using that kind of draft equity for it.

What if he can move to guard? So you think he can move inside? We were talking about this on the show today, myself and Bo Wolf. Really? And it was... Because I didn't hear it. I heard the other opposite. I hadn't heard it either.

And so I was like, I don't know. And so I sent some texts around. And they were like, yeah, like, we haven't talked. No one's really talked about it because he's such a good tackle. But there's no reason why he can't play guard. And honestly, like, going back through my notes, I'm like, yeah, like, the things that make me worry about a guy playing guard is if he doesn't have the anchor. Right.

If you don't have an anchor against a 265-pound defensive end, you're not going to have an anchor against 300 pounds. defensive tackle. He's plenty strong. And so I do think that he could do it. We just haven't talked about it because he's been such a good tackle. And so that was one. Okay, if you feel like he can play guard, you can sell me on it a little bit more.

Well, I do think that they have some issues at guard. Yeah. Yeah. It's Kenyon Green and Tyler Steen. You're competing for that right guard spot. Yeah, and you wonder about Steen. And, you know, I mean, you got some real concerned about him. Yeah.

I mean, you know, I think they do. Right. And when you have Kenyon Green who's been up and down, and certainly last year more down than up, that's going to be a concern with Kenyon Green, with that right guard spot. So that would be an interesting one if they decide to go offensive line. The other position is safety.

Wow. Two guys I absolutely adore in this class, both in the SEC, both from True Juniors. They're a little bit different stylistically. I love both, so I don't think you can go wrong either way. Malachi Stark's from Georgia and Nicky Menwari, from South Carolina. The skinny on both.

M. Enwari, physical freak. You know, 6-2, 220 pounds. Freak athlete blew up the combine. You see that athleticism on film. He is the new age, strong safety. He can match up against backs and tight ends. He can come down and run the alley. He can play in the box.

He could do a lot of different things for you as a defense. You go to Malachi Starks. He's more your traditional top-down defensive flare. Play him from depth as his foot safety. In his college, he played in the slot. He's not going to be a slot corner in the NFL, but you love that he was asked to do. do it. He showed the coverage tops. Outstanding ball skills. He's tough as nails. Both guys have

a plus character. So when I look at both of those guys, I don't think the Eagles can go wrong. My guess is both are probably off the board. When I did my mock draft this week, both were off. But safeties, that's a position that tends to fall. You know, quarterbacks go higher than you expect. Tackles go higher. Pass rushers go higher. Safetys tend to fall. Tight ends tend to fall. And so there's a chance that one of those two is on the board. So it's funny because I love Starks. Yep. I mean, both of them are. I agree with it.

Both are great players. But I love Starks. Like, Starks has, Starks could be exciting. I just don't, do you say it? I don't see them taking the safety. It would be surprised, to me, what it would take, it would be a situation where they get to 32, he's on the board, he's the last player with that level of grade on the board, and they can't trade out. You can't get somebody to come up for a player that you have a lesser grade on. So you stick there and you pick, and you pick.

and you would take Malachi Starks. Yeah. So to me, like, if that would have happened a week from now, I'd be a, I'd be ecstatic. I would love it because he's a great player. But, yeah, I would be a little surprised if that was the end result next Thursday night. All right. What's the ceiling for trading up from 32? Yep.

What is the ceiling? I would say. Chris, get me a glass. I'll drink one for the team. Chris, get me a glass. Give me a nice mug. I like the class. I'm an aristocrat.

All right. And I'll drink one for the team. You know. So what makes... Thanks to our friends at Papp's Light. Of course. I mean, you know, that's right, brother. So what makes it tough this year is that because of the way that the talent is kind of dispersed this year, it's not a great draft.

And everybody knows it's not a great draft. So I want the trade value chart, I think will be very interesting this year and how teams play it. Some teams might be willing to play ball and say, all right, maybe the going rate won't be what our standard is. There are other teams who might be like, screw you. Why would I give you less? Why would we give you more for a lower price? Especially to Howie.

Exactly right. He's already got it. He's already a marked man. There's no question about it. And so if you were to say, what do you want to give up? You want to give up your two? First and second to move up to somebody? You want to give up your three?

I would do it for Nolan. Three. All right. So if you're going to give up your three, I'm just doing quick math in my head. That can get you round about your three and maybe like one of your fives might get you

to 24 to Minnesota. Now, Minnesota, that's a GM that will typically play ball. Quasi Adofa Menza loves the deal of it. Typically, we'll trade up, and he has made some deals that with the standard trade value chart have gone against it from a value standpoint when he's been criticized for it in the media.

So that might be one where maybe it's just the three. You get up 24. You're getting ahead of I get a five back, you know. Yeah, something along those lines. You might be able to swing that. Yeah. I got, listen, I got a ton of chips to play.

You do, especially next year. Knowing the compics that you have coming your way. Thank you, brother. That could be a situation too where you know, hey, we're going to deal next year's three. Or, you know, a situation like that. The way I'm looking, if I had to like saying, like all the different iterations of what could happen

here next Thursday night. my best guess would be a trade back out of round one and a trade up back in back of row so from the end of round two up into the middle of round two right taking you get two guys there in the between the in the top we'll say 70 picks so I can see that I can I can see that except the only thing is look we know this draft and you know it inside and out this is this is not a great draft No. And so, you know, once you get past the first eight, it's a slide. It is, it's going to be fun.

Someone asked me, they were like, does it kind of suck that the first draft you're covering is a little lackluster? And I said, in a way, yeah, but also that Thursday is going to be really fun. It's going to be very unpredictable. There are players that literally he could go 12. Matthew Golden, the wide receiver in Texas. He could go 12 to Dallas Cowboys. He could be a cowboy.

Yeah. I had him fallen out of my first round. Yeah, yeah. There are a bunch of players where it's like, yeah, I could see him going 14. I could see him going 29. Yeah. I could see him going 31. I could see him going 42.

It's one of those drafts where there are a bunch of players that are all clumped together. And it's going to be beauty in the eye of the beholder. You know, some teams are going to say, yep, we like this guy going that high. So now a lot of people look at this. You could look at one of two ways. Early on, I was like, I don't think there's going to be a lot of trades. I think everyone's going to say, oh, I'm not giving up ammo. If there's a lot of, if everybody's clumped together.

the dynamic that could happen though is let's say you're the eagles i'm just going to you're the eagles and you've got uh blue chip grades on 10 guys and it's 17 and one of those 10 players is there now you're striking you're making move to go up and that's not the eagles that's every team every so that could lead to a lot of trades yes because if if if there are these big clusters not everybody views every player the same way that's right one team might view this guy as as above everybody else and that's when you get a lot of trades. So it could get fun. It could get crazy.

Yeah. I actually think it'll be a lot of trades. I think it could be a blast for you. There's no draft that's a bummer. Exactly right. I mean, come on. Come on now. So give me a grouping.

So we have Taylor. We have Fanning, Arroyo, Ferguson, Nolan Green, scouting Simmons, Starks, O'Jillary. Yep.

Okay. Anybody else that could be in play if they trade back? Just going through my board here. I don't envision.

I mean, you could talk, I guess, a corner, right? What are your thoughts on a corner high? No. Delicious.

Right. No. I don't see an off-all-linebacker. I don't see it. I don't think so either. No. I think you start getting, if they were to trade back, there are a couple pass rushers, I think,

that definitely fit their mentality, that fit the DeVic Fangio defense. Landon Jackson from Arkansas and J.T. Tuimoloow from Ohio State. J.T. Tuimoloow is a player that I've liked for the last couple of years. If you are a Penn State fan, and I know we've got a lot of state fans on him, you would know that. He has terrorized Penn State over the course of his career.

Yes. A three-year starter, three-time first team, all Big Ten, had his best year this year. He did everything he could. to get Olu Fashtun out of the first round. The two years those guys went up against each other. Look, I've watched this guy, this guy's just rock solid. He is not as sexy as some of these other rushers.

He's not the most explosive, but this guy is powerful, and he knows that he's powerful. The big thing that people lose with rushing the pastor, I think a lot of people, it's like, oh, it's all speed, speed, speed. All you need, you need one go-to move, and you need a fastball and a change-up. And if you know how to set that change-up up and use the change-up to complement the fastball, you are cooking with gas and you can expand on that. It's a great analogy. That's all you need.

It's so true. So like Tui Molo out, I watch him. I'm like, okay, because I think of it as Josh Sweat. Josh White had no idea what he was doing when he first got the Philly. That first year, redshirt year he's worked. Then you see, all right, he's working that long arm move. All right, so that second year, he does a great job working the bull rush in the long arm move and the timing of it, sets it up well, goes speed to power.

Then that third year was where he took that big step. That's where he started incorporating that ghost move. And the ghost move is where you're going to fake the inside the long arm. You're going to get the tackle to lungelies if you're coming, and then you're dipping past it, and you're running a fastball, change up. And now he's keeping guys guessing. Is he going to go with a long arm? No, it's the ghost.

That's it. Dwight Freeney, speed, speed, speed, inside spin. That's all. That's all. And he had a whole fame career. Yeah. Speed and inside spin. So when I look at JT.2 and Loloowow, I see a guy who knows,

hey, my bread is buttered as a pass rusher with power. I'm going to win with my bull rush, and then he does it. He has a couple moves in his bag that he does a nice job of complimenting that bull rush. I appreciate players like that. He's a great run defender. He's an outstanding kid. I don't know if you've heard anything about him off the field, but just is there. He's a really good kid, yeah. I just feel really

good about this guy being a long time NFL starter. All right. So, let's, uh, the rest of this hour we're to finish the Eagles. Yep. And then we'll dive into the mock and then the top, then Franny's top five. But let's dive into

the rest of the draft. We covered like the first round. You did an Eagle seven-round mock. So let's look at it. So you have Scouting going at 36. Yeah, but I have trading now to 32, going down to 36 the Jacksonville Jaguars. It took scoring there.

And then you got Jalen Reed from Penn State going at 126. Yep, so going to the fourth round. I'm sorry, hold on. You're good, you're good. The way I did this. Skip to come a rounds. Right. Now, then you got a

royal, which I freaking like, you came way. I know. I felt good about that. With those two? Yeah, I felt good about that. Dude, I'm doing Quant Wheels. And again, I do this. I don't do it where I'm like, oh, I want to make sure that the Eagles get a Royo. I'm going pick by pick. So, Royo goes off the board.

The Eagles are, he's off the board. Yeah, I was out. Wow. He got the 64. I'm like, oh, Royos there at the slam dunk pick. I don't know he's going to make it. Like I said, dude, I love the way that this way. If this felt like that? Yeah, it folded very well. Yeah. And then at 96, you go with Jalen Travis from Iowa State.

Yes. I got to see what Rocco Beck says about him. Big swing tackle. Start his career at Princeton. He was a high school basketball player. He didn't play football until his junior year. So he's under-recruited, goes to Princeton, learns how to play tackle there.

Starts at right tackle, starts at left tackle. Then he moves over to Iowa State this year. And honestly, like, didn't miss a beat. He's got power. He moves people off the ball. They can run the ball at Iowa State. I like Jalen Travis as a potential starter, but I feel really good about a high-end swing backup.

And then you got... That's where Jalen Reed comes off the board, the Penn State safety. So then you got... After that, we're going to go with... This is an interesting pick you have. So you then go with Barrett Carter. Yeah. Linebacker from Clemson.

Yeah. So he played with Jeremiah, Trotter Jr. last year, the last couple of years, high character, intangibles are outstanding. Good athlete, I would say better athlete than Trotter. Trotter was a better box player. It was probably a little bit more productive, was around the ball a little bit more. But Carter, I just feel a little bit better about the overall upside just because of the athleticism, different kind of player.

But honestly, a guy that let's bring him in, he can compete with Trotter if you want to bring in another vet to compete in camp while Nikobe Dean's on the men. We don't know when Nikobe's going to be back at 100%. I think you do need to bring a guy in to compete with Trotter in that spot. So this is fascinating that you have because at 161, yeah, LeQuint Allen. Local kid. Yeah. Yeah, running back out of Syracuse.

You play with my boy, Kyle McCourt. Yeah, I like LeQuint Allen. And honestly, when you lose a player like Kenny Gainwell, who can help you on third down, he can do a little bit of gold line short yardage, you need someone that can chip in in a lot of different ways. And I know that they like Will Shipley. He can take on some of that past game,

stuff. But honestly, when I look at Le Quentin Allen, he's a bigger back than what Shipley brings. I think he could do a little bit more between the tackles. But Allen, some of his best stuff is on third down. He is a highlight receiver down the field. And he's young. He's young. He doesn't have a lot of mileage on the tires. Shipley had a lot of carries on him. When you're looking at Allen, he was never really that workhorse back. I talked with somebody on that coaching staff about him. And he said, when we first got here, we thought about moving him to safety. Because he was like that kind of athlete, big, broad. And he's like, I'm going to play. I want to play offense coach. I want to play offense.

So they put him at running back and he figured it out along the way. This kid's got past game chops, willing blocker. I think that's a perfect day three swing there at the running back spot. Yeah, yeah. Where do high school do you go to? He went to, I can tell you in one sec, he would have been. I'm sure Zach Berman's probably watching this. And Zach knows exactly where he went to high school.

So he's a Millville, New Jersey guy. He went to Millville. I did know that. High School. State Gatorade player the year. I played basketball there at Millville. So my Anthony plays for St. Augustine, you know, he's a freshman. But we played

Milville, San Augustine. So that's right. That's right. Right there. There's good football in South Jersey. Oh, yeah. You got St. Joe's Prep, which is ridiculous, right? That's a pro Gita. Danny's with us all the time. And then you got some really good programs in South Jersey. Yeah.

It's fun stuff. No question. Then you got Ty Hamilton defensive tackle Ohio State. This is interesting because I thought he would be gone by then. Yeah, I mean, it's a great defensive tackle class. And so there's going to be guys that slip through the cracks a little bit.

The reason why I had Hamilton slipping through is that he's not a wow athlete. Right. He's just a lunch pal player. You know, just a rock solid defensive tackle. And I think the connection that kind of drew me to this pick too, he's got an older brother, Ty Hamilton. and Davon Hamilton. It was a third round pick a couple years ago out of Ohio State,

defensive tackle, went to the Jacksonville Jaguars. The GM of the Jaguars was Dave Caldwell. Dave Caldwell, now an executive with the Eagles in the front office. So those kind of things, those connections, they matter. They made something. I love the fact that, see, this is what films does. All right? He connects dots.

Connect the dots, man. You've got to follow breadcrumbs. Like, that's a big deal. So, and then you got. At 165, Dequan Felton, we talked about him a little bit, but he's an interesting guy. Yeah. Because of the size. And they need, listen, I don't know what Johnny Wilson is going to be.

I don't think he's going to be anything, right? Like, you need some sizes. I think they got to take his swings, the receiver. You want to be able to find guys that can come in and give you value. When I watch Dequan Felton, a couple of things I wrote down. I'm just going to go through a couple of my things here. they lean on him a lot as a blocker. A lot of screens, runs, and gadgets go his way.

Lots of pin blocks on defensive ends. He latches on and runs his feet. As a route runner, he uses his eyes and his shoulders well to sell things to the top of the route. Really good flashes of knowing how to work a blind spot as a route runner. Some explosive traits as an athlete. He was on Bruce Feldman's Freaklist as one of the top 100 athletes in college football coming into the year. Really strong on contact. A lot of these things feel like Nick Siriani traits that you look for at wide receiver.

the guys that he typically trends towards. And then when you talk about the athletic upside, he goes to the Senior Bowl, was down there. These are markers that you typically hear with players that the Eagles select on day three. Then to finish it, you got Elijah Roberts, the Edge Kid. He's an edge from SMU. Yeah, I really, really like this player.

Reportedly was in for a 30 visit here with the Eagles. Heavy, heavy hands, really, really violent. He started his career at Miami, transferred a couple years ago to S&U. SMU had double-digit sacks each of the last two years. He's not your, like, straight up the field. Honestly, he's similar to JT too. To him all the while.

He's a very similar player. I would say that he's the, you know, the Diet Coke version of JTT. When you're looking at Roberts, it's heavy hands, violence, run defense, and he's rotational player in my mind. All right. Anybody else that you covet, you got a lot of good covets. Oh, yeah, I mean, go on.

You got a lot of good comments. time tonight to go through all the guys. I know. All right. What we're going to do is we're going to take quick T.O. Yep. Talk about our sponsors. And then we're going to come back and we're going to look at the first round. All right. So we'll go through the first round, your first round mock.

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Yeah. Can I answer the super chat? I would love it. Sure. Rohit Verma, Senator Super Chat. Are there any players in the draft that's off our pass rusher discussion? Any players in the draft that have a complete set of moves, so speed, power, and counter. Rohit, there are a couple guys that stand out.

I would say that the craftiest rushers in this class, I would go with JT. Tuimolo, I would throw him in. I would say that Mike Green, the pass rusher from Marshall, he's got a pretty well-developed pass-rush plan. The other guy I would throw in. The Boston College kid, Donovan Azaraku. He's a pretty polished rusher as well. But the guy that really caught my eye going back and studying was LSU pass rusher, Braden Swinson. So fifth year senior started at Oregon. Was at Oregon for a couple of years?

Didn't do anything. Goes to LSU two years ago. First year there, backup, doesn't produce. This year steps in as a starter, and he was lights out. He was a really good player for that LSU defense. He stands up only two-point stance. He's a really skilled rusher. He's athletic.

He's explosive. He's loose. There was only one year, and he was suspended for the first half of a game, reportedly like butted head with heads with coaches. Then he gets with, he goes to the pre-draft process. Doesn't do an all-star game. Agent didn't want to do an all-star game. Didn't work out of the combine and did partial work out of the pro day.

So any momentum he created, the reason, like you're saying, like, I don't know who's this guy. A lot of our viewers are like, I haven't heard about Swinson. It's a pass rush from LSU. He had double digit sacks. All the momentum he had, he lost it. He didn't do anything in this pre-draft process.

So he could go. If you told me he goes in the second round, I believe it. You tell me he goes in the fourth round? Yeah. I believe it. He's a tricky one to pin down. Very skilled rusher.

He's someone that I look at and I said like when someone takes him, depending on the team and the fit, that could be a big boom in the draft. Now, let me ask it, from an Eagles perspective. Yeah. How do you see it? In terms of him? Yeah.

The thing is, is that he actually didn't hit this part of it. He looks disinterested in the run. Yeah. That doesn't play. That's not playing. Not all the Vic. Uh-oh. Nope.

So that's for me. I think that's why he becomes a hard pass for Vic Fangio and the staff. Now, you might meet with them and say, hey, like this is, you got to get this gun. But he won a career. Yeah. Now, maybe he'll just be a designated pass rusher. And if he wants to be Bryce off, he can be Bryce off. And that might work for some teams.

But as we saw this year, that doesn't fly here with this defense. No. And it's funny because Vic is steadfast when it comes to that. Yep. I mean, because how often they play with light boxes, you know, if you're going to make sure that you always have a defensive, an extra DB on the field, you're going to play as much nickel. If you're going to play with light boxes, then you need your guys that are up front. It can't just be, oh, it's one-vers-one, I'm going to lose.

No. You've got to defeat your block and get, because you are minus one in the box. Do you need those guys to be able to win? It's funny. So I had a conversation with somebody, and we were talking about somebody who knows a little about this team and the inner workings. They won because they were tougher than everybody. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Like, they intimidated.

Like, talking to people inside that room, they believed that they were tougher than everybody else. that their mentality was at some point you're going to tap out. Yeah. It's the, the Jordan Milaata quote from that micing of, I didn't know what was going to break first, your body or your spirit. That's the mentality.

It was that way on both sides of the ball. Nolan Smith, same way, he takes out the best opposing linemen for two out of three straight playoff games. I mean, that's the mentality. And if you don't bring that, it's going to be tough to crack the lineup.

It is, to me, that piece of it was just fascinating, that they believed that they were tougher. Yeah. And they expected teams to wilt. Yep. Which is a Philadelphia dream.

Which is, and like, the two players that we started the conversation with, when you talk about Mike Green, like, that's, that's, if you're, if I'm doing a Mike Green football card. Yes. And I'm saying, all right, here's the picture of Mike Green, flip it over. Here are the two or three bullet points. One of the things is this guy is violent and tough. And when I look at Walter Nolan, I say to say that, I honestly, like, made the comparison to Jalen, harder in this one way with Walter Nolan as well, where if a play goes wrong, let's say a guy gives

an extra shove at the end. That next play after that, he is cooking off the ball and he is coming to get that guy. So he kind of brings that same edge that you get from Jalen. And that plays here in Philly. It does. In a big way. All right. So, let's take, let this brings us as we approach just after 7 p.m. locally.

let's talk about the mock first round, all right? Yeah. Let's do our first round mock. What are you feeling? Obviously, Cam Ward goes first. Yes. All right?

How do you feel about this? Before we get into everything else, how you feel about this draft as far as you locked in on the first round? As locked in as I'm going to be about a week out. Typically what happens is that you get a load of information from, we'll say, like a week and a half ago, like when pro days start to wind down up until this point.

And then this final weekend happens. Teams have their final meetings. And then there'll be a more leakage that comes out. So I'm anticipating. I know I've got a call scheduled with somebody tonight. I've got calls scheduled over the next few days. So, yeah, I would expect that I'm going to have more conversations, get a little bit more intel.

But yeah, it's starting to come together. But it's like I said, there are so many wild cards in this class. We're a week out. I have no idea, you know, with certainty, like what's going to happen at number five? Yeah. No. No.

Number seven. No. It's going to be interesting. It's insane. All right. Let's go through it, though. All right. Let's do it.

Number one's Cam Ward. Number one's Cam Ward. We know that for a fact. All right. So that's the good thing. So right off the bat, number two. Now we believe that number two is Travis Hunter. I think it's Travis Hunter.

Yeah. I do too. I think if it were up to Andrew Berry. Yeah. I think it would be Abdul Carter. Yes. But I don't think it. That's up to Andrew Barry.

I think that it's going to be Travis Hunter. Yeah. That's my gut on it. I heard Hunter too. Yeah. Number three, the Giants. If Hunter goes, then it's got to be Carter. Yeah, I think it'll be Abdul Carter.

I think the Giants would prefer Hunter. I think the Giants would love it if they had Hunter and Carter fall into their lap. Yeah. That's why I think we're seeing this late private workout with Shador. Yeah. I think they're because a lot of the buzz that I heard last week was that, Cleveland, they're going to take Hunter at two, and they would like to get Shador to pair with them. And I think that New York, here's that same scuttle butt.

And they're like, all right, well, if you want Shador, then you've got to take him at two. Because otherwise, we might take him at three. I know we just signed Russell. I'm calling their bluff on that. They're not taking Shador. They can't take Shador Sanders. No way. You don't sign Russell Wilson and James Winston.

That's not happening. So I'm calling their bluff on that if you're Cleveland. And by the way, if I'm Cleveland, I'm not really in the hurry to do that. I mean, I told you before. I don't like Chidor. I'm sorry. I don't think he's any good. I don't think he projects to be, you know,

Baldi thinks he could be Andy Dalton, you know. Who's the solid? Yeah, that's kind of the level I see him at. Which to me is not, like, I mean, I don't want to use top value. Yeah. You and I didn't have this conversation in the summer, But when I studied Chador in the summer, I was like, yeah, this is the level of quarterback I think he is. Right?

And he didn't do anything this year to move me off of that. In fact, I think he got worse. In ways he got worse. In ways he did. In ways he did. All right. Will Campbell goes forward to the Patriots. I'm feeling better for that by the day. I'm not 100% on it.

I've heard it could be Armand Memboo, the tackle from Missouri. I've heard it could be Wilson Graham, the defensive tackle from Michigan. I have also heard that Ashton Genty, there's potential there that could be gentry. Wow, really? Five, there's a lot, and that's what I mean. We're a week out, and this is not ironclad, but I do feel best. Most people feel that it would be Will Campbell. All right.

Well, at five to Jacksonville, you got Gentie going five, even though they need O'Line help terribly? I heard from two separate people. Two separate people and said that Jacksonville, Gentile. Wow All right You know Look that's You know

It could be Mason Graham Most people feel it's Mason Graham Right The defensive tackle from Michigan No Yeah I think that that

What if Campbell's there I think it might still I think it might still be Gentile Wow That's wild So basically Here's the reason behind it

I did a mock right Yeah You're listen This is what you do But I had Graham Going for Right And then I had Campbell going five.

Right, which I could see. I could see Campbell going five. It's definitely on the table. From what I understand, okay, everyone's given them Mason Graham. Yeah. But I think that ownership, they just paid Trevor Lawrence. They want Trevor Lawrence to be as good as possible. They're going to try, they want to put as many pieces of that offense as they can.

The GM is a young GM, forward-thinking GM. It's a first-time head coach. There's an offensive head coach. I think it's going to be an offensive pick. I just, I feel offense. I think it's gentie, and it might be will Campbell, but that's going to be an interesting one to watch. You said something that's interesting to me.

You said young GM, forward-thinking GM. Yeah, he wants to offense first. Offense first. But here's the thing with these dudes. I know. First of all, you win on the fronts. Yes, correct.

All right, like you can be all you want, and I want sexy this and offense that. You got to build a line first, right? And you need protection. So if Campbell's not there, all right, I get it. But you go best defensive tackle. Right. That's how you win Super Bowls.

Yep. I mean, this is how we showed you this. No question. All right. Let's go. How about this? We got Raiders. Raiders at six.

So you're saying if there's no way in the world that Mason Graham's there, they're going to pass him up. Yeah, I think. I think the Raiders everybody's giving them Gentie my spidey sense is going off there even if Gentie were there that they wouldn't take Gentie I am starting to think that that's going to be a defensive

player potentially even a tackle Mason Graham is a Michigan guy Tom Brady and John Spitech the GM new GM both Michigan guys this is Brady it sounds like based off reporting like he's going to be in the draft room and he's the one who hired the head coach He's the one who hired the GM.

It's going to be fascinating to see that in that first draft together. A lot of voices in that room. Yeah, but there's only one that matters, and that's Tom. Yep. Tom is, Tom's going to be active. It's going to be, look, they came out from that opening presser. Pete Carroll said, like, everywhere else I've been, it was about, like, building it the right way. I'm here to win right now.

I'm here to compete right now. So that's why Gentie does make sense. But I've stopped. I think they've, Doth protest too much. Like, I think it's been too much gentie from them. And so that's why I'm thinking,

like, it might be a little smoke screen. Yeah, yeah. So we'll see. Brady's interesting because I believe that Brady's, will be a great, like, front office guy.

Yeah. I believe that. But the whole dynamic with him and, like, doing the media stuff. I know. I can't imagine that it's going to continue. I don't know how.

It doesn't mean. He's going to be leading a draft room. He's great. on the air. I like him on the air a lot. Yeah, I'm fine with him on the air, yeah. But, I don't know, that's such an unfair advantage. Very weird. It's very weird. Like, I know he's not allowed in

production meetings or whatever, you know. But still, you're still in a position to... Exactly. And you're at warm-ups, you know, you're doing... You get access that other owners aren't getting. Here's all that. Let's just say a certain wide receiver

worships Tom Brady. Right. Okay? Right. And let's just say, Tom Brady's in your town to do a game. And it's the night before a game. And this receiver's like, oh, my God. And they take him out to visit Tom Brady. Right.

And then Tom Brady's like, oh, thank you. Oh, you know, whatever. You know, listen, you know. And what's the next thing Tom Brady's going to say? Hey, you know, maybe, who knows? Maybe I'll get you. One day, I'd love to have you. Yeah.

I mean, and it's, there's no. tampering, but is there a tampering? Right. When you're allowing that kind of access, I mean, no, or nothing. It's a very strange dynamic that I'm surprised as long as as it lasts as long as it. Yes, yes. All right.

Number seven, the Jets. I think this is a two-player race. Ooh. I think this one is crystallized here. I think this is Armand Membue, the right tackle from Missouri. Or it's Tyler Warren, the tight end from Penn State. I think it's one of those two players. I did that

on Friday. Armand Membou. I think I'd probably lean Warren as we're sitting here today. If I were to do this mock draft now, I think I would lean this being Tyler Warren. Wow. I think it's one of those two. Did Jets go back into their archives when they took Anthony Beck at the number one pick? They're going to take Tyler Warren. Yeah.

They took Kyle Brady in the top. Yeah, it was the top 15? Yeah. We'll see. Basically, this is a team last year that it came down. I love Warren. So, you know, he's a good player. Last year, their decision was Olu Fashton, the left.

tackle from Penn State or Brock Bowers. They went with the tackle. Bowers goes on to win the offensive rookie the year. I know that they changed coaching staff. I know that they changed front office. Not everybody in that building is different. Good point. Number eight, Carolina.

You got them going. Jalen Walker from Georgia. But this has been like the runaway selection in most key mock drafts that you watch or that you read. I don't I don't fully believe that they love him there.

I think that they would like to trade. I was this close to giving him Mikel Williams, the other Georgia pass rusher. I do think that this is a chance where Walker slides past this spot. I'm not a big Walker guy. And so, and I've been having, anytime I talk with people that have been through the southeast and people around the NFC South, you know, say, what do you think of the Panthers are going to do? Other teams are the top ten. I'm like, yeah, like, I don't know if the Panthers are definitely going to take Jalen Walker.

That's going to be an interesting one to watch. I love it, you know, in your little skinny that you do it. There is, look at Mr. Newbeck. Oh, beautiful. Mr. Newark, he looks, Kyle looks just like him. I know. That's the thing. I see him walking by.

I'm like, oh, that's Kyle Newbeck's dad. Here, come here, come here, come here, come here, Mr. Newbeck. Yeah. Come here. Say a load of the people. Say a load of the people. This is Kyle's dad, all right?

We love your son. He does amazing work. Bill Nell. All five sports. It's all the badgers. Philadelphia is this shit. You're the man, brother. You're the man.

I love it. That's outstanding. Yeah, that's great. All right. Number nine, this is interesting. Yeah. All right. I'm interested to get your thoughts here on this one.

Yeah, because. So people are pegging quarterback here. Yes. So. I don't think they do. quarterback here at nine. So the Saints and Kellan is in New Orleans. Yep.

All right. Along with Nuss. Nussmeyer is his O.C. Yep. He's doing this. He's where. Devon Givens in the ass. Oh my. Oh, my great people are here. So it's funny. We were talking about

Jackson Dart. And I think there is a, now I can't tell if this is bogus or not. but there is been a poke holes in Jackson Dart's game. Suddenly, I'm hearing from teams, I don't know about Jackson Dart, and there's a lot of negativity surrounding Dart. Which makes you think they're going the other way.

Well, it's the only thing, because now I'm hearing it all over. Right? I'm like, huh. And it's only, this is like the last two weeks. I don't know if you're hearing the same thing. Well, so here's my thing. I was talking. There's a scout that I'm friendly with that's in the southeast.

And, you know, we're talking, and he covers Mississippi. And we talked in the summer. Jackson Dart, probably a day three pick. Don't love the traits, highly schemed offense. Nice player. Better college quarterback than pro prospect. You get through the season. Day three pick, we feel good about it.

To get to the senior ball. He was solid down there. I talked to you when I was down there practice and you said like any quarterbacks and I was like, yeah, like a solid week but nothing special. It wasn't until like February when we started hearing like

oh like Jackson Dart could go round two. Jackson Dart maybe he's a surprise first round pick and now it's like he could go top 10. I think the whole thing's bogus. I think I'm not buying that he's going first round. Well, if he doesn't go here he's not going for his round.

Yeah. Unless somebody trades up late first round. So I heard like that, you know, There was a lot of action on them. And then two weeks ago, I started hearing all the things. Right. Well, they don't really like his attitude. Okay.

I'm hearing that he doesn't really project. Interesting. I don't know if you heard that. I had no. About his demeanor and there was like quite, you know, that sort of thing. Interesting. And I'm like, really? Huh.

And I'm like, well, you know, and then all of a sudden, like to me, the fact, that you played at an elevated offense in Mississippi with Lane shouldn't be a negative, should be a positive. The fact that you played in that system and you thrived, other than one game. Like, which game was the, oh, God, it was horrible. The LSU game he threw, he threw, he would throw some timely picks. But no, there was the one, you know what I'm told me. Yeah, there was the one clunker.

I could pull up. It was really bad. And people were like, you know, Now all of a sudden, I'm here, but two weeks ago, you didn't talk about that game. Right. Two weeks ago, you were talking about, oh, I love the way he's a prey, you know, like him better than Shadour. I was told, oh, it's not even. Florida, that's what it was.

Florida. Yes, yes. The Florida game. Late in here. Yes. He said, one guy tells me, oh, he's way better than Shadora. He'll go ahead. He'll go ahead.

He'll go ahead. I was like, all right? And then I heard from somebody else that he was going to go ahead. Because the shit door, not hate, but the shit door like no good was coming out. Right. I don't know what to believe. It's that time of year where. Yeah.

And the thing about it is that we have to remember. I always, I have to stay disciplined with myself when I'm doing this is when I talk to a scout. If I talk to a offensive quality control coach or a quarterback coach, an offensive line coach, whoever it is, a general manager. That is one opinion in a building. Right. And you need more than one opinion for a draft pick. Well, I should say, sometimes you need more than one opinion. Sometimes it just takes one opinion from an owner or from a GM to say, like, this is going to be the pick.

But the quarterback or the quarterback coach might love Jackson Dart. But if the offensive coordinator, head coach, and general manager and area scout are like, eh, yeah, it's probably, it might not be Jackson Dart. Right. It's one of the things I always try and remember is like it's a whole point. picture that what before the you know these guys are selected yeah i don't know i my gut says they don't take a quarterback but i don't know i mean my i know they want by the way they need yeah right so i when i did my mock i did i got through like the middle of the teams by friday by friday afternoon and that news broke on derrick car friday afternoon yeah all the news and all the

intel that i had gotten about the saints really all offseason was that now they're not going to take a quarterback high yeah first round not going to happen it's going to be a defensive player. If anything, it'll be a pass catcher. So I said, all right, so I followed up late last week, you know, Friday night. And everyone was like, no, I think they kind of knew about, you know, this wasn't, this isn't anything that's going to move the needle. So I'm going to follow my sources there.

Maybe I'm wrong. It wouldn't be the first time I'm wrong. But I, from the people that I talk to that know or they should know, they're like, I don't think it's quarterback. Yeah. So I'm going to follow it. So. Now, second round, second round, all the board.

So here's the deal. Right. So I did hear, now, listen, I know I bang the drums for the kid, all right, for McCord. I know I do it. But I heard Dave liked him, I said this two months ago or a month ago. Yeah. Whatever. Where were we in April?

Two months ago. Right. They liked McCord. Right. Yeah. You know, that would fit second round. They're going to draft a quarterback. I just don't think it's going to happen at nine.

They're going to draft the quarterback. We agree. We agree. So you haven't taken Will Johnson. Yeah, you might be a little high for Will Johnson. He fits their profile. He fits the scheme with Brandon Staley. That's one that I feel there's a decent chance.

The Saints are usually a very predictive. They are a great microcosm of this whole draft because usually the Saints are pretty predictable. Most mock drafts have a good idea of where they're going. Mock drafts are all over the board on the Saints. No one knows where they're going right now. It's, again, a good look inside this draft. All right.

So let's go to 10. And let's see. At 10, you got, who do you got a 10? 10? I've got the Chicago Bears were in the spot, and they trade out. Oh, wow. The Indianapolis Colts make a move up to get their tight end. I love the trade.

That's it. Seven round mops with trades. Those are hard to come by. I know. You only get those if you're a diehard. That's why you've got to become a diehard. But Tyler Warren, the tight end from Penn State, goes off the board there. And look, the Indianapolis Colts last year.

But I thought you had the Jets. I thought you took the Jets. So I had Mendo in the Mock draft. Right, right, right, right. So the Colts would be out of luck at this point if we were doing a mock draft just sitting here. But in the mock draft, I had the Colts trading up and selecting Tyler Warren here in this spot. They tried everything they could to get Brock Powers last year, man. They tried to move heaven and earth.

They offered pretty substantial trade compensation to get up into the top 10 to take them, and they could not get a bite. No one wanted to move. And so they obviously could not take them. They take the Liotto Lata to the pass rusher. Here they get their tight end. They need another playmaker in that offense. All right.

You got the Niners. This is interesting. Ja de Baron. I don't love Barron. Yeah. So this is a, I'm reading. I'm going off what I'm hearing here. Yeah, I'm going off what I'm hearing here.

Barron, I think, makes them sense for the way that they want to play. He fits their ethos. He fits their play personality defensively. The type of player they've gone with. The one connection I thought was really interesting. My comp for Jada Barron, one of the guy I wrote down is one of the biggest villains in Philadelphia sports history, Ronde Barber. Wow. He's an undersized corner zone, zone heavy, inside, outside.

Like, to me, like, he'd be a perfect Tampa 2 corner. that Tampa 2 doesn't exist as a defensive scheme in today's NFL. So he's going to be a nickel corner. I think he's okay. I don't love Jade Barron. Now there are people that love him. People that think he's Brian Branch and think that he's one of those guys. I don't see that personally.

But Bruce Feldman, one of the best there is, college football insider, for the athletic. He did a mock draft last week. And he said one player that has been compared to Jade Barron is Ronde Barber. His teammate in Tampa Bay. is now the GF. And I was like, oh, shit. Yeah, that's pretty good.

And I love that because I was like, oh, this is my comp for him. And Bruce was able to connect those dots there. And I've also, he's not the first to mock them there. Yeah. That is a T-Leaves selection for me. I like it. I like it. Let's do one more, and I'm going to take a quick break.

Let's do it. This is fascinating. All right. So the Cowboys. Yep. And they have, they have been an unmitigated disaster. disaster, which we love, right? Like, obviously, to hear Emmett Smith say, I'm tired, just go birds, you know, this is the

greatest thing in the world, right? Like, honestly, it doesn't get better than the cowboys who are a mess, and that they're worried about the Eagles. Like, it's the greatest thing in the world. So, they're a mess. Now, you got them taking McMillan. Yep. who I like.

They want to take a pass catcher. Everything I've heard is that they want a pass catcher. Offensive playmaker, but primarily a pass catcher. The thing is, I don't love the value there at 12. So it's a matter of do they trade down? Do they get an offer to trade down? If they can't trade down, do they stick and just take the best pass catcher they can? Some people think it's going to be Matthew Golden, the wider receiver from Hughes.

They're from Texas. I like the Bill and better than Golden. I do too and I think that he fits more of what they typically look for Dallas in years past they have not been afraid of guys that didn't test great

they like big physical football players that fits McMillan they don't need them to be the number one CD Lamb is that guy but they want another they want a running mate but you know what's funny for them they still don't have a running back

I know like let's get the whole draft to take one but if you're You're in a Cowboys. Yep. Don't you try to straight up to get Genty? Like, I love Genty. Like, because here's the thing.

I watch those games live. Yep. In addition to it all the tape. Didn't have a great offense. They didn't have a great O line. He's a phenomenal player. Right? Like, he gets yards after contact.

It's unbelievable. Yep. I mean, if I'm the Cowboys and I'm at 12, I do whatever I kind of trade up to get him. So the only thing with me that holds me from thinking they'll do it is that they've, over the last couple of years, basically since they drafted Zeke at four and then they paid him that big contract. Jerry has said multiple times since then. Yeah, he's off running backs. He's like, yeah, like the investment in the position.

Yeah. So to not just draft one in the first round again. Trade up, use assets. It would be, you have to give up a lot. I think you're right. Some people think they could take Hampton. Mel Kuiper has given to Hampton and the running back from North Carolina. and like three straight mock drafts.

He's really the only person in big draft media that's done it. Could it happen? Sure. But everything I've been hearing has been past catcher. Yeah. Like, I'm with you in that, you know, I don't think they'll do it. But I think they should. Right.

Far bait for me because I enjoy their, you know, their misery. All right. Let's take a quick T.O. Tell you about some of our friends. And then we'll get back to it. Continue our mock. This is a blast, man. It's not time flying.

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Gambler. All right, my brother. Let's do it. Let's continue. So we left off of the Cowboys. Cowboys are 12. 13, the Arizona Cardinals on the clock. Yeah, I had them trading up into the spot.

They were at 16. Anytime I've done a mock this offseason, I have struggled to find a good fit for Jonathan Gannon and Montaiazza Ford at 16. So there I had them trading. up to select the pass rusher Mikel Williams from Georgia. I think that the ceiling for Michael Williams is eight. I don't think there have been some people that thought that he could fall into striking range for the Eagles.

I just think that he's one of the cleaner rushers in this class. I do think that he's probably out of the Eagles range. I think he'd be off the board 18 to Cincinnati, probably the earliest he would go, would be my guess, 21 to the, I think it's 21 to wherever the Packers are picking. That would be the absolute furthest. I just don't envision him falling much further than that. All right. That's interesting.

What you're talking about right now, and this is going to be the wild card in the draft, it's the beauty, we said it earlier, about the beauty being the eye on the beholder for these players, really after eight. Like, I would say, what, Warren, Walker? Like, once you get after that,

like, it's really kind of... Yeah. There's a drop. And then, I would say that, you know, one of the things that you're hearing from a lot of, like, the insider types, a lot of the reporters, the anonymous quotes, is there's not a lot of difference between the 10th pick and the 40th pick in this draft. And it goes back to what does that mean for the market, the trade market here this year. It's going to be very interesting next week. All right.

At 14, you have the Bears trading up for the, for Shamar Stewart from A&M. Yeah, they traded back because they were in the 10 spot. They were in the 10 spot. Bears trade back. takes from our Stewart I don't know what you've heard on Stewart big long explosive pass rusher looks the part

like looks like Adonis there's issues there yeah I mean one and a half sacks each year one and a half sack last year one and a half sacks the year before you had four to half sacks in entire career I just for a guy with those traits to have that severe level of production and it's not just

past game like run game as well I just can't buy into that that high that said he's gonna go high he's gonna go high he's gonna go in the top 20 Here's the problem. You've got to love the game. Right. Yeah.

You got to love to play. Yep. Can't take plays off. I struggle with him. When I watched him the fall, I thought this guy's a day three pick. That was me personally. And I watched a little bit more, and I'm like, all right, I see the traits. I see why he's exciting, but I just can't get there.

Personally. So you got a manual worry going here at 15. Yes. We obviously love him. It's interesting you got to take going to Atlanta this spot. Best player available teams, like through and through Atlanta. The last two years they have surprised people in terms of who they picked. They'll go off the board and just say, we're going to go strict best player available.

He fits a lot of the markers we've seen from that team in the last few years under Terry Fotton of the GM. And so that was one, I think, that it could be a sneaky one. I would expect a surprise with the Falcons. Everyone thinks pass rusher because they've needed a pass rusher since. I was in high school, but I don't know that they're going to force it. If the best pilot player on the board is a pass rush, they'll take them, but they're not going to force it. 16 Miami, you've got them taking Kelvin Banks to tackle out of Texas. Yeah, they're originally at 13, the Miami Dolphys.

They trade back here. They take the tackle. This is the team, you know, their GM, Chris Greer and the head coach, Mike McDaniel, both came out right after the season ended. At that postseason press conference, it's time for us to invest in the offensive line. Yeah. You know, Tehran Armstead retires. It was a nightmare, too. I mean, you want to talk about why their offense just completely sputtered and then stalled.

Yep. They couldn't protect to him. And I don't love Banks personally, but he's a good scheme fit, and he fits that they, when you look at Chris Greer first round picks, he's been there like eight years now. Seven of their eight first round picks, underclassmen, junior, they're juniors from Power Five schools with athletic traits. Kelvin Banks, check, check, check. Here's the only problem with him. that line was a great line. Yep.

Like he had a great line next to him. Yep. I'll ask you this, see what you heard, because I hear inconsistent. I don't love it. To me, he looks like a round two, round three type tackle, than a round one tackle. He was being talked about as a top 10 pick. Oh.

Yeah. At one point. It was like top five guy. Oh, yeah, he was top five guy. Yeah, I watched him against Michigan. It was like week two. I watched that tape that Saturday or that Sunday, I guess, or before the Eagles played. And I said, there's no way this guy is a top.

This is not the top 10 pick. No. He has no power. He's not a guy that's going to move you off the ball. He's a zone blocker, like through and through from that standpoint. And honestly, his anchor. Like, those guys were rocking him on contact with their bull rushes. I just, he's a great kid.

He's athletic. You can get stronger. Yeah. I just think it'll take time. To me, he's more of like at best, a mid-first-round pick as opposed to what they were talking about. I would agree with you. 17, you've got the Bengals taking Walter Nolan. So the Bengals need, desperately need.

Defensive play. Yes. Yeah, and they've spent a lot of time with them. You know, it was pointed out to me within the last couple weeks. Last year, any guys that they spent a lot of time with, they drafted like three or four of those guys. Walter Nolan's one of those guys this year. They spent a lot of time with, and they haven't had one of those. players since Gino Atkins.

That is the ceiling, in my opinion, for Walter Nolan. I think his talent deserves higher than that, but just based off what I'm hearing, 17 is the highest he would go to Cincinnati, and I had him going in that spot. Yeah. All right. At 18, the Seahawks, Jehide Campbell, Alabama. Seattle being talked a lot about it with offensive line, but I think that they might wait there. that's another team where

I like their young defense They could surprise you And Campbell would fit that defensive scheme He would in a big way So at 19 You got the Buccaneers going edge Ezraku, the local kid From South Jersey

Yeah, which high school do you go to? He was, was he Woodbridge? I think it was Woodbridge I think you're right Again, Zach Barman is sitting there saying, Fran, how do you not know this? He was Williamstown It's Williamstown.

Oh, wow. All right. Austin County. When you're looking at it, right near me. When you look at Azaraku, undersized, the short, compact player. He's got longer arms than you would expect for a guy at 6-2-5, but just not a wow athlete, not super explosive off the ball, doesn't have a power element to his game. Crafty rusher, I think he does change things up well, but I worry about the run game,

and I just don't for a guy that size. I just want a little bit more juice. That said, the Tampa Bay Bucks love guys that produce. Jason Light, that GM. He wants guys that put up numbers. And as Rocco, the production speaks for itself. Yeah. Yeah, I'm with you.

I'm with you. At 20, now this is interesting. Yeah. Because you've got the Broncos going Hampton. I've heard those. I love that. Are they done with the Carolina running backs? Well, look, the last one, Javta Williams got hurt.

Yeah, Jamante Williams got hurt. And he obviously was just not the same player after that. It was the second big injury. Hampton, I've heard, look, the highest you hear with him is 12 to the Dallas Cowboys. The lowest I've heard is maybe the Chargers, but I think that's probably the furthest he would fall. I've heard the love for Denver with Hampton is real. And so I'm going to go with Hampton in that slot. All right.

I love what they're doing there. Well, Nick, you know, what's funny, we're talking about quarterbacks. If Nix was in his draft, he would be the number one pick. I agree. I agree. And I really liked Nix last year. Yeah. I would agree with him.

Yeah. You get the Steelers going, Harmon. Yeah. Passing on the quarterback, passing on Shador Sanders. Here's my thing. I've been doing this for over a decade now. Yep. And Mike Tomlin, if I were to like take head coaches and rank them in terms of their

very clear and distinct love for the pre-draft process. Mike Tomlin would be number one. He is front and center at the front of every senior bowl practice, every rep he's hanging on the edge of his seat. He's at every pro day he can get to. Hand-in-hand with his GM. Doesn't matter who the GM is. Walking coffee donuts every pro-day.

Combine, he's right down the edge of his seat. Shador Sanders has his showcase last week. They didn't have their head coach. They didn't have the GM. They didn't have their offensive coordinator. They didn't have the quarterback coach. made the trip out to Colorado. Now here's the thing on top of that, too.

I say that all the interest of the pro day stuff, that has been a theme in Pittsburgh. You know how it's like, oh, the Eagles brought a guy in for a visit. That's usually a sign of interest. There was a long stretch where every single first and second round pick, Mike Tolland and the GM were at the pro day. So it's like, yeah, if he's there, he's showing interest. The fact that Mike Tomlin, for a quarterback wasn't there at the showcase,

that just sends alarm bells off from me. I'm not buying this. interest here. I don't think they're taking a quarterback. And honestly, all the intel I'm getting is that it's defensive tackle for them and not quarterback. Listen, I would agree. I would agree with him.

I think that's smart. We'll see. 22 the chargers. You got them, you got Harball, one of his guys. Pass catcher. Yeah. Coasted Loveland. Yep. I've heard pass catcher for them.

If Tetzaro-Mcillan falls here, I think it could be McMillan. Yeah. But Colston Loveland. Lord knows they need a guy. They need help bad. Yeah, they need another guy. You know, Ladd Mokke had a good rookie year.

Great year. He was a good player. But they want to continue to add weapons there for Justin Herbert. In fact, they need two new weapons. I was just going to say that. I think I gave them two in the first three rounds. Yeah. So I'm right on right there with you.

Packers. Kenneth Grant, I actually like this pick. I like Grant. Yeah. Light feet. Big man that's hard to find I always felt like there was something missing when I was watching them Like he's just hasn't put it all together

Doesn't mean that he's never going to A young player I thought they played Listen I thought that defense was decent I know a bad year and all but they couldn't score Right Their defense was good yeah right Their defense was pretty good

And you know Will Johnson gets hurt He doesn't come back and But when I look at Grant I just see like a big light-footed nose tackle good run defender but I never it's almost like he's a guy where he needs someone to light a fire under him yeah yeah yeah if you ever if he ever gets that

like killer instinct he'll be unstoppable I just don't know if it's there yeah if you can pull it out of him you're cooking with gas yeah yeah no I think I think you're your spot on there speaking of we have one of those here in Jordan Davis

yeah I had somebody tell me that they liked the way he played in the play in the playoffs Yeah. I was like, yeah, but it was still limited snaps. Right. That's the thing.

He's going to have an opportunity, right? You lose Milton Williams. No, it's right there in his lap. There's going to be opportunity there to pick up more snaps. We'll see what they do in the draft. My guess is if they draft a Walter Nolan, you know, someone in the first round like that, you know, that's a he reverts back into that role. But if not, there's going to be snaps there for him to take.

Yeah. I'll tell you this. I'd rather have Walter Null. Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you. All right. Now, this is where you have the next quarterback, the second quarterback of the draft going. Yeah.

Kevin's defense. Dude, I love Kevin. Yep. I still can't believe he's going to take Shador. I don't know if it's up to him. I know. I don't know if it's up to him. I know.

I know. So that's the tough part. I know. I just don't see it. Yeah. I will say, you know, if anyone's going to get good play out of Shador early, I do think that's the fantasy is a coach that could get it out of them. They need to build up that offensive line, continue to help there,

because it's not the group that it was a couple years ago. But I do think that when you look at Shador Sanders, there's a whole of this game, as we discussed, it's a matter of if you're the Cleveland Browns if you think the Giants are a team that's interested if you think the Raiders the Saints whoever it is to trade back up

you are playing chicken with the Pittsburgh Steelers do you believe the Steelers are taking him at 21 if you don't like how how far are you willing to let him fall I think that if you get to that's what the Minnesota Vikings are a team that would feel urgency to trade out they've got like four

picks going to Thursday so I think that would be a prime spot for any team to try and make a move on. What did you make of the Rogers interview today with Pat McAfee? I make of it that a week from now, he's going to make some news. Like when we're getting ready for the draft and we're going to hear like, oh, he's signed with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Yeah.

Or retire. I don't think he's retired. I don't put it out there, but I don't. I think he's going to sign with the Steelers either Wednesday or a Thursday afternoon at like 3 o'clock. Yeah. And steal the headlines for the draft. Yeah. That's what I think.

He wants every broadcast when everyone's talking to him. NFL draft he wants to lead with Aaron Rogers that's my that's my gut what happened he was never always like this it's a hell of a country I don't know I can't help you and I like I love

McAfee I like very good at what he does you know it's just he just feels the need this yeah whatever yeah and it's funny because that that's Fav was the same way. Right, I know. They're at the Favs scroll.

That's why the idea that he would go to Minnesota before is just so perfect. It is. Yeah, I agree. And do you remember when he went to Minnesota and how great he played? Right, yep. And he reverted at the end to being who he is, right? He was Icarus flying too close to the sun. He didn't need to throw that pass.

It gets picked off and he loses the game. Yep. He's winning that game. Yep. They're going to the Super Bowl. Amazing. We've got the Texans taking Tyler Booker. Yeah, I love this fit.

I think it's a good, they need online help. I think in a bad way. Yeah, in a bad way. And he's a culture setter. Everything you hear about him off the field is outstanding. Yes. With Tyler Booker. True Jr., powerful Mahler.

Honestly, like if he fell to the Eagles, I wouldn't hate that. I wouldn't hate that pick at all. I would love that. I'm with you. People are down on him because he didn't test well at the Combine. I don't care about that. I don't care. He is powerful. He is a bulldog. Great kid. I would love that. Yeah, I'm with it. Chiefs.

Trading up. So, Andy, never wanted to shy away from character. Yep. I just struggled with where to put my green, man. Like, I was like, I was like, all right, like Kansas City makes sense. No one has Kansas City taken my green. This one was just a feel. And I wrote in the right-up. I was like, maybe he reminds me of Trent Cole. Yeah.

Similar, similar body type. Similar play personality. Yeah, but they need a line help more than anything. A lot of people have been linking them to Josh Simmons, the tackle. We talked about from state, and I can definitely see that. A lot of the other tackles, I don't quite see the fit there. But Simmons is the other guy.

I mean, you know, let's face it. Eagles won that game. They were better, much better. But they were dominant up front. Yep. Yeah. You've got to protect. Like, that was it.

And anything who's how to build a line. Right. twice he's been in the Super Bowl with Mahomes with a bad line I know 27 John Harbaugh going Malachi Starks Wow classic Ravens pick yes you pair him with Hamilton Yeah you know guys that uh that don't test well fall down to the football players That's it that's a hardball piece oh my God Malachi starts you know what's funny the Cooper play

so I was talking a guy and he was telling me story about Henry goes up to him and says you know you guys are you guys are no joke oh yeah yeah right I think I told you this yeah yeah like they were

they were impressed they were impressed like the ratings were oppressed that's what I love about hell yeah absolutely Donovan Jackson goes to lines. Lions pick all day. Yes.

Big physical guard, selfless player. Yes. I think that they need interior line help. That makes a lot of sense. So you know what's funny. We're talking about the commanders in a second. Do you sense of fall coming to the commanders? Yes and no.

Yes and no. So I think that as I was watching that team in the fall, I was like this team's going to be a problem. They're well-coached. Obviously, Jaden Daniels and Jaden Daniels. I have a lot of faith in Dan Quinn in that defense, the way he coaches those guys up. I thought he got a lot out of limited talent last year. I do think they're probably going a little too fast.

I would say they're probably going like 65 to 35 right now, trying to get these vets in. I didn't mind the Tunsel trade. The Debo trade, we'll see. I kind of want to see it all come together. We'll see that obviously they gave up capital for Marshall Laddmore as well. When I was interested about going to the Combine, you know, I wrote a lot. down on the flight out there, I said, all right, I'm going to write down one question I want to ask every single head coach or GM about just like the draft process, knowing all their trends

and all that. So one thing, you know, last year they drafted a bunch of captains. They had like eight picks and they drafted six guys where captains, like eight plus character, culture setters. That was the theme of the commanders last year. So you get the NFC title game. You're so close. There's two ways you can go about it. Do you want to double down? Say, hey, this is what we did last year. It did so well for us. Let's do it again. Or it's like, hey, like, this guy's a great talent, James Pierce, Jr. Right. Hey, James Pierce Jr., his great talent.

It would be a great fit. He could be there, Michael Parsons, but not that kind of character guy. But we're so close. Let's just go and get it. Yeah. So talk to him about at the Combine. And he said, when we had our exit meetings after we lost to Philly, all the vets came into my office.

And one of the things they said was we just, we loved the type of guy that you bought in in the draft last year. All those young guys, like they fit so well, big reason why we had all the success. So that just made us more convicted in our process. So I'm like, all right, they are going to draft high character guys. And so when I look at it, you know, Benjamin Marks on the corner from Northern Dame. It's a great kid. Yeah.

Pressman corner fits that scheme. Yeah. He's a concern. Yeah. Some people think he could be the second corner off the board. Yeah. You know, so we'll see a very gifted player. To me, you know, one guy I wrote down a lot, you know, was Ronald Darby, where I think he's got traits.

I think he can be a little bit of a frustrating player. I think that there are time for him. He a little grabby, you know, the run defense is up and down. Darby went in the top 50. I think this guy's going to go a little bit higher than that. But I think when you're looking at him, he's definitely got traits to be a starter in the league. That's a good comp. That's a really good comp.

I felt good about that one. So it's interesting because now you got the Rams. Yep, they trade down. And that's where they were, that's who the chiefs, the chiefs traded up to get my greens. The Rams are picking on this spot. Yep. So. This could be the Mason Taylor, as we were talking about.

Well, that's what I was going to say. Yeah. Because you've got to take a Bucca. So could you go with Taylor here? Could be Mason Taylor there. Will you, now when will you do your final? Wednesday night. Okay.

I'm going to make some call. I got a lot of confidence. still to have. So I'll feel around on the Mason-Taylor one. That would make some sense. I don't know. Who knows if I have the Chiefs trading up, if the Rams are in that spot,

maybe that final mock. I do know that the Rams, obviously, the Rams love to trade, so I think they'd be open to a deal. I do love the fit for Ed Bucca. I think that that makes a lot of sense for them, and I could see them seeing him as a Cooper Cup replacement. Yeah.

Obviously, they signed Devante Adams, but isn't that a long-term play, but Mason-Tiler would make a lot of sense for them as well. Yeah. All right. and then you got... Eagles trade now. Yeah, it's amazing.

You got them straight now. Jacksonville grabs Simmons. Yeah, Jacksonville moves up. The Eagles move down to 36. They take Scorton. We talked about it earlier. And the Jaguars take Simmons because they passed on the line.

Listen, if you get Scorton and... Who's your... Oh, Enroyo. Oh, my God. I feel good about that. I would be thrilled. Very happy. Yes.

All right, let's do this final exercise because we only get about five minutes. left the show. Okay. Let's do the 10 players that you covet for the Eagles. For real, you know, in a realistic way. Okay. All right. So you can't have all first and second round guys. All right. Deal. All right.

Let's go. Number one. Walter Nolan. Yep. All right. So we'll go the Walter Nolan there. Okay. Malachi Stark. I like it. I would be very in on Malachi. I'd be fine with sport at 32. They were forced to stay put I think that's a fine use of a resource on a young productive pass rusher at

32 trying to decide if I'm going to go with another first round pick or not no I think that will be that will be it for me for the first round guys let's go to the day the day two types I personally love a royal yeah he is

my he's my second rated tight end in this group like I like him more than Loveland I like I have him over Taylor. I think he's so dynamic. Wow. So I would be over the moon for a royal. Wow. I like a royal too, but I love Taylor. I would be over the moon for a royal. So let's put a, let's put a royal there. Let's see. You know what? If Tyler book, now, you know what, let's go with Gray Zabel. Offensive line for North Dakota State. He would be another one that would be a 30, an option. I asked you about him last time. Yeah, I like Zabel a lot. You know, he was a guy when I

watched him in the fall for the first time. I thought this guy looks like a first round pick all day. Compared to him to Graham Barton, who went in the first round of the bucks last year, had a really good rookie year at center out of Duke. He was a college left tackle. Same thing was Zabel. He's played four out of the five positions along the front. I do think he can come in and compete at right guard.

Some people view him in center, but I think he's big enough to play guard and stick a guard. And he can get you out of a game of tackle. So to me, he has the versatility you like, just a safe player. Right. Just a clean film, great senior ball. I thought he was the best player in Mobile, really good combine. I just feel really good about the player. So I'll put Zabel on that list.

This would be a couple trade-down options. Let's go Lannon Jackson, pass rush from Arkansas. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And let's go J.T. Tuomolo, Al, the pass rush from Ohio State. Okay. Both those guys in the same bucket. I feel that, honestly, I've got those two in Scorton all jumbled up together. So I would be remiss if I didn't mention those two guys.

Landon Jackson, I think there's some Josh sweat there. Yeah. He's long. The way they were used in college. is very similar. They're, you know, tight to the tackle, not line up out wide and just go. He's a good run defender, great kid. Young has had production in the SEC.

So, yeah, I like Landon Jackson. We talked about Toole Molo while already from Ohio State. So we'll add those guys to the list. 8, 9, 10. 8, 9, 10. You know, that safety is it, I feel like they got to add a safety, right? Yeah, it have to. The two guys I really like on day two.

Really, I can say three, but the two guys I like most. Jonas Sanker from Virginia is a guy very. high on. I think that he could be a starter. I would say probably a third round pick. Now, you might have to move up in the third round. He might have to move a check a little bit. But he feels like a third round pick to me. Solid starter all day.

Just check all the boxes. Run defense, pass coverage, zone, man. He's smart. He's tough. I really like Jonas Sanker. Xavier Watts. Yeah. Outstanding production last two years. I love that kid. Yeah. He was a captain in the last two years,

all-American. Yeah, I love that profile. That's my kind of kid. He's an okay athlete for a post safety. A lot of people think of like, oh, he's the center field. You've got great range. It's all instincts with him. Yeah, he's a football player.

He's a great kid. He's got to clean up the tackling, some mistackles, but not for a lack of want to. I think that it's all there. I would go with those two guys. All right. I like it. All right, listen, that's going to do for us. I got to thank a lot of people.

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