PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Are A.J. Brown’s frustrations with Eagles something or nothing?

Episode Date: September 30, 2025

The Eagles are 4-0, but another shaky second-half showing ended with star receiver A.J. Brown posting a cryptic message on social media about not being listened to. Should Nick Sirianni, Kevin Patullo, and Jalen Hurts work to get Brown more involved in the passing game? Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Bo Wolf and E.J. Smith and we roll no less than 30 deep here on the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast coming up next with a loopy Tuesday dissecting the AJ Brown situation. Hearing from Brandon Graham and much more coming at you. From the Infinity studio. We are back on the P.H.O.Y. Eagles podcast from the set of Un- It's Bo-Wolf. It's E.J. Smith. We're here. We're looping and we're ready to go. How you doing? Speak for yourself. I wouldn't say I'm loopie. Oh, I mean, we got our, we got our dirty chies, our ice dirty chies going on here. You're not loopy? And they weren't spicy enough. So I was, I was actually going to be to bring in the dirty chai end of like a bottle of tums as like a joke for it being spicy. But now, this one's pretty tame.

Pretty weak. Yeah. How are you doing? I'm doing well. You know, we had a nice, there's a nice good text thread between you, me and Fran. Yes. And it was very active last night. And you were just D, D, D, D, A.

D-O-A, D-N-T, yeah, D-N-T, yeah, did not take. D-D-T? It was in like 935. Not DP. Not. That's in, he goes, joke, come on. We're getting, we're getting started early with,

with the loopies, with the loopie Tuesday. Have you ever seen the person? It was like a TikTok trend. She was talking about Dr. Pepper. She said, I can't say it. I'm not going to say it on the podcast. No.

You got to say now. She said she was a Dr. Pepper Girlie, but she used the initials. Oh, man. We are off to a bad start. I don't even remember what I was. Yeah, I was out early last night. I was DNP in the text at around 935. I was like, I was tired.

Washed. DnP washed. Yeah, we've already said that we, uh, I'm, I'm part of the washed crew. Okay. Well, Fran, I'm always here for you. Lots to get to on this show. You talk to the coordinators. I want to hear, I'm coming in cold on this so you can totally fill me in.

Yeah. Look forward to that. We're going to try to make sense of the AJ Brown situation. A lot of speculation. He hasn't spoken yet, but we'll try to make sense of it. We will hear from Brandon Graham to sort of explain what it's like in the defensive line room when guys are like fighting over sacks. You know, like I touched him first and they submitted to the league.

So that's a fun little behind closed doors discussion. And of course we're hearing from you, the sickos live here in the chat. Why don't we start with the coordinators? Do we start with Vic? I heard it was a little terse today. Yeah, no, he was definitely short. Even for his standards, he was very terse, you know, just three four-word answers for everything. I don't really know what to make of it.

I wouldn't read too much into it. But yeah, no, some of the things I had from Vic, we can kind of go quickly through Vic and then we can go through Petulah with probably more of the quotes. But I did enjoy, he mentioned that I don't have who the coach was that he said, said this to him originally. But he said that rookies, he used to an adage that rookies equal one loss. Like every rookie, for every rookie you play in your defense, just count a loss right there. Talking about, you know, Hal Fran coined it. Rookie's going to rookie. talking about the mistakes that you're going to get from those players.

But he said he doesn't quite believe that's the right. That's ridiculous. That's not the right calculus in his in his. Well, yeah, because, well, first of all, how many teams go undefeated? And so you can just pretend that one of the losses was for a rookie. I mean, what are we doing? I think Fran was right when he says rookie is, rookie's going to rookie in another world. An explosive like that could cost you.

So. Sure. But in the same vein, he said that McCuba be playing in the base defense was because they're going to move forward with Andrew McCuba as more of a full-time thing. And of course, if you haven't seen this for the first three games of the season, it was split between the nickel and the base with Andrew McCuba and Sydney Brown. In this most recent game, it was just Andrew McCuba. Fran points out it was Bud Grant that Vic Fangio coined that phrase from.

And yes, I do not know who Bud Grant is. Is it Bud Grant or Grant Budd? I couldn't tell you. And it is probably because he coached before I was born. I found it interesting. Vic talked about Jalen Carter's shoulder, and they've used the term calm down with his shoulder a couple of times now. Yeah.

Basically, like it flares up. If he does something to aggravate it, he needs to come out and let it calm down a little bit. So weird. Yeah, it's, what is it a colicky baby? I don't know. It is interesting, though, because it basically, Vic said, like, he's just going to play through it and they're going to have to manage it. So it's a little bit concerning.

You know, I wrote this in the early bird, like, do the Eagles need to give Jalen Carter and Landon Dickerson just a couple weeks off? My guess is that both of those injuries are not the types of injuries that benefit from, like, a few weeks. They probably both benefit from off seasons. Yeah. Whether it's surgery or just like an extended period of time, especially Landon's, like, you know, I imagine surgery is what will probably fix a meniscus injury of, like, of that severity. And I think that it probably is what it is. If Jalen Carter's shoulder needs a couple of plays to calm down, what about a couple weeks to calm down?

Yeah, but he had time off in training camp. Yeah, and he's, I mean, and he has talked about he can play through it. It's just if he aggravates it. But again, we'll probably spend some time today talking about the Eagles' lack of dominance up front on both sides of the ball, and those are a big, that's a big part of it. All right, what else from Bicky Dickie? He didn't rule out that Keely Ringo could play his way into just keeping that starting job. And he compared Bo Nix to Baker Mayfield.

He said that Bo Nix reminds him a lot of Baker Mayfield, said that him and Sean Payton are old friends. He had very nice things to say about a Sean Payton offense, you know, how multiple it is, how they have different schemes from different looks. And then unprompted, I really enjoyed this. I think everybody did. Unprompted at the end of his press conference, he looks around and he goes, I mean, nobody asked me about this, but, you know, you guys didn't bring up the kicking balls. So for our listeners who are not like up on all of the latest NFL rule changes, this

season, the NFL allowed special teams, like, basically like there's always six balls that are dedicated for the kickers, for the specialists. And this season, they reverted a rule that I think was implemented a few years ago that basically before kickers could only work on the ball for an hour before kickoff. They could basically get it to whatever condition they liked. Now they can do that for the entire week. And what we're seeing is an uptick in like long range kicks because of the fact that these guys can doctor these footballs. They can do what they want throughout the week to make them fly just that little bit longer. It stood out to me because I've been making note

of how far Jake Elliott's kicking pre-game each week and each week it's 65 and it's like with a few yards to spare. I would love to get the deep dive and tell me if this has already happened on like what actually goes into doctoring the ball. I think there are stories. So I saw Brooks Kubana from the Athletic

had a, he shared a story he did before I think the rule change. Okay. And I think he mentioned like microwaving the football. Okay. So I'm sure there's a lot of. of, you know, which doctoring stuff that you're doing with these things. So, yeah, Vick's not happy with it. He's fed up with the added distance.

Like, we gave up a 65-yard field goal. And, you know, it was funny because he's like, he goes off on like a two-minute tangent about this. And Michael Clay is just sitting in the back of the auditorium. That's funny. Because Michael Clay's press conferences up next. So Michael Clay. He has to then answer for Vic. Exactly.

So, like, Michael Clay goes up to the podium. And I think it was Dave Zankarrow. I was like, so, Mike, what do you think about the kicking ball? And Michael Clay pointed out that that the on-field temperature was 102 against the bucks. Yeah. It's early in the season,

warm weather, the ball travels more. But I do think that's something we're going to see is that these kickers can hit. Vic said like that, the Dallas kicker, Braden Aubrey, he's like,

that guy's going to hit one from like 70 plus soon. So yeah, definitely something to note. And Michael Clay said that he, I think he said like, someone asked him like, is it good for the game? And he's like,

I mean, does the NFL want more points? Yeah. So, yeah. What did he say about your boy? The block punt. Oh, yeah, he had some nice things to say about Cam Latu. But he really kind of just made it more about, like, the group as a whole in a way that was maybe a little disappointing for me in my Camlato appreciation.

All right. Kevin Petulow. Yeah. So what I found most interesting about Kevin Patulow's press conference today, we can kind of go through some of the quotes about, like, you know, the A.J. Brown of it all. But I thought on the second half, what he had to say was interesting. And I thought, you know, in general, some of the stuff he had to say about the Eagles' offensive identity really stood out to me and the lack of identity, really. So let's start with what he said about the second half. He said, let me make sure I get the right one here.

And this is the one I sent you, Andrew. He said, we got off to a hot start and we were in a good place with the offense and a good rhythm. in the second half we got out we got off rhythm when you get off rhythm you really are kind of searching for that play to try to get the spark to get back in phase we just really didn't get back into face um so to me my read on that is like the eagles don't know what it is that they can go to when nothing else is working and he was asked about that um you know like what what buttons do you press what levers do you pull when the offense is you know off rhythm and he said that's part of the process we're going through as a staff and as a team through these first four games and

finding what that is. Okay. I'm thinking of, I think this was a Danez thing, I think from last year. I don't remember anything, but he can tell me on Friday where like the Eagles had trouble getting first downs, but then when they would get a first down, if they just got one first down, then they would get a lot of first downs. Yeah. They would just start rolling downhill.

I don't, I don't understand. why that would be the case. I mean, there were times last year where the past game, I kept using the word arithmetic last year with the Eagles past game. And I wouldn't... Good word. I wouldn't, thank you. I wouldn't quite say that's been the case this year.

It doesn't feel like that big... Like, yeah, you mentioned, like, Jaylen would talk all last season about the first, first down. And it did feel like at times, like, when they couldn't get something going, they just really couldn't get it going. I think this year, the run game has wrapped up so much more into it that it doesn't really feel

like a past game. Like, why can't they just stay in phase. It feels like the whole offense. Well, really, I think that all of this really comes down to this season. Like, they don't have a run game to lean on. Like, right. You know, again, last year's version of the Eagles, even early in the season, they would have had like a seven or eight minute drive in that fourth quarter. They don't have that this year. And I do wonder, like, if that's going to lead to, like, needing to lean on more of the screen game, more of the swing passes, getting guys out in space, or just like short passes. is rhythm,

rhythm passing, because I don't know, I don't, I don't feel like, you correct me if you disagree, but I don't feel like that off rhythm notion

that Kevin Petulah was talking about, I don't think that that's necessarily like a product of the passing game being disjointed at times. I think it kind of is because I,

you know, if we're complaining about the lack of creativity and the routes the guys are running, and, you know, everything is,

uh, curls and, and goes and slants and, you know, people aren't, like, changing sides. We're not seeing mesh or anything like that. Like, I don't know. That seems like it's part of it, right? Yeah, I think, I think the way that the first four games have gone, I attribute it more to the running game, but you're right that, like,

they don't have, I mean, that mesh is the perfect example. They don't have that one passing concept where it's like, we are going to call this and we're going to get six yards out of it, and then we're going to be rolling again. They just don't have that yet. And I think that that's, there has been a, this is, that this is like a natural process you expect from an offense early in a season, but it has been to an extreme that is a little bit, I mean, alarming is probably too strong a word, but it's eyebrow

raising, like how they go through these long stretches without figuring out what the answer is going to be. And yet they've had, you know, three of their eight halves. Yeah. Have been, you know, like if you break all the, all the, play, all the games this season down by offense by half, three of them are in the top 20. performances, right? Yeah, and that speaks to the talent and what the potential of the group can be. And I know that you're never going to play like a perfect four quarters. And I don't think we're

asking for that. I think we're asking for them to be a little bit... Yeah. In three of the four games, right. It's like, can you just be a little bit more normal when it's not going perfectly? And I think the lack of the run game for me, I mean, Fran broke it down great yesterday, showing how it's not an maybe an easy fix because it is a little bit. bit of everything. But I do think that the fact that in the, in when they do have the lead, because I think like the blueprint that they followed, like getting the lead early in the game, getting control

of the game, like that is, they executed that really well. It was the like now run to win the game, you know, like that, the second part of that equation that we hear so often where you throw to, throw to get the lead and then you run to win the game, they just don't have that second part of the equation yet. All right. Good stuff. we're going to take a little break and after this we're going to figure out

what we think about the AJ Brown situation Andrew again great job on the show today and I appreciate you inviting me over the other day for the Liverpool game unfortunately I get over there and woof lagging

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at this point. Yeah. Suck D says, E.J. Has anyone asked Siriani why he is the most risk-averse coach in the league with this talent? The cowards draws, first down-run percentage, etc., etc. I mean, I think maybe not that bluntly, but honestly, if I would have to, if I'd have to wager a guess, I would guess that he'd point to the fact that he's 52 and 20, especially

because, like, his personality would be to lean into that. I mean, it's hard at times to argue with the record, you know, like, well, but there's no, yeah, there's no, there's no, there's nothing to compare it to, you know, it's possible that if he was more risk tolerant, that he would be, you know, 60 and 15. I mean, aside from his first season, his worst season was 2023 when they were maybe a little bit more risk tolerant. I think, so this is actually a good segue into what we want to talk about. because I'm going to do something. We're going to try something new. I'm going to call it Declaration Day. Oh.

You know? Like, Today. We don't have as much news. So this is kind of my chance to tell you. And I think it's like a good time because, you know, that Monday, you're still kind of going through the film. You're digesting all of that stuff.

All of the stuff you're watching. And then on Tuesday, it's time to declare a couple things. A couple things that you learned about the team. All right. So. Stand back. Let's a cook. The thing that as we've kind of zoomed out of this game and,

and trying to again pick up the pieces like what we've learned, I think there's one 2023 comparison that I will make some space for. I do not really think that the 20203 collapses in play for this team in the sense of like they have a great defense. You can lean on the defense in a way you couldn't. You can lean on the special teams in a way that you couldn't in 20203. They've obviously proven that they can dig their way out of that rut

and the turnover aspect of it. Like Jalen Hertz hasn't thrown an interception this season. In 2023 and even at the beginning of 2024, the turnover, I mean, yeah, the risk tolerance in the passing game was a big part of that. So that to answer the super chat, like that is one area that like I do feel like that is a reflection of 2023 now that the Eagles are more risk averse in the passing game in particular after that season.

I just want to let you go. I just want to say, I don't think it's necessarily fair to say that the turnovers from last year in the beginning of the season from Jalen Hertz were because they were being risk acceptant. It's because Jailen Hertz was making bad decisions. Right. Like there is, and I know that that's part of accepting risk, but there's a middle ground where it's not just, well, we can't pass on, you know, third and seven because Jailen might

throw an extremely dumb pass like he did a couple times in the beginning of last season. If you believe that he has gotten better, which I think both of us too. And there is room to be more risk tolerant. No, I completely agree. And I think that that might be a. necessary step in an offensive overhaul. You know, we, we, we were just talking about, like, the Eagles lack of offensive identity. I think giving, you asked Nick about this yesterday, I think giving Jalen Moore might be

part of that identity. I think it might be necessary. Now, the only 2023 comparison that I will leave space for in light of the AJ Brown social media post and just, I mean, you asked me on Sunday about like the vibe in the locker room and I told you, it wasn't quite as jubilant as you might have expected for beating the bucks and a place of that. they have not been able to win very often. Like, there was definitely an energy that lended itself to, like, this team still doesn't

feel like it's playing up to its potential. You know, Sequin Barclay and Nick Siriani both talked about, don't let Good be the enemy of great. The space that I will leave for the 2023 comparison is the space where the frustration of the frustration of things not looking the way that, not the media, like, we're going to put our, put us aside, the frustration of it not looking the way that the players want to look boiling over and affecting the on-field product. We did see that in 2023.

And I do think that like at least in AJ, in the AJ Brown part of this discussion, you are starting to see that frustration turn into a tangible thing that the Eagles will have to sort through this week. I think this is the important conversation that we need to have. Yeah. Now, let's acknowledge that there is always drama going on within a football team, whether it's aired publicly or not, and that doesn't have to necessarily take away from the on-field product. There was a lot of drama with the team last season, and they won the Super Bowl.

Absolutely. That is accepted. But let's walk down the path here where that may affect the on-field product. And listen, we have talked about it for a long time. Most of the time, I think AJ Brown is in the right. I think he is correct that he is being misused and the team will be better off if they're giving him the ball. I don't know that I think that, you know, putting out that tweet on Sunday is in service of, without talking himself what's best for the team.

And I also think he's very aware of what he is doing and, you know, the conversation that that's going to lead to. And for him to do that, when they're four and oh, tells you that there's obviously something going on. And so if this is a kind of thing that is reaching a true boiling point, what do you think that looks like? it probably looks something like 2023 where the like the what you heard after 2023 uh what came out afterward was a lot of like they didn't take joy and winning you know they they come in on the come into the building after a win and the energy would be down the energy would be like I mean I don't remember the exact I think their exact phrasing was something about like they acted like their dog died I think that was in a tim McManus article from a few years ago and I I think

like Nick Siriani has harped on the like enjoying the way like the joy of winning and you know taking joy in that. Yeah. He's harped on that a lot since the 2023 season and he's mentioned it in the last few weeks. So I think if that starts to creep in, that is when you get situations like AJ Brown where he is. I mean again, we it's a cryptic message. We can't know exactly what he meant by it. But again, to your point, AJ is very intentional with a lot of this stuff. He didn't he doesn't do these things without knowing how it will impact the people around him in the locker room around him. And I think he learned that from 2023. He handled things a certain way in 2024 in reflection of that.

And I think it does speak volumes that he made that decision to post that, knowing all of that information. If you had to guess which direction AJ is really pointing the finger. You're putting me on the spot here. I don't know. Maybe that's an unfair question. Yeah. I don't know.

I mean, if I were going to qualify it, like with... I mean, there's three choices. Yeah. If it's a, if it's an individual. And maybe it's not. Yeah, I'm just saying like, at this point, I want to make it clear that, like, this isn't, like, informed speculation or anything like that. I would guess, I mean, it's probably a tandem of all three, but I probably would either lean Patulo. Maybe Nick or Jalen.

I think it's hard for AJ to really, like, single out Kevin Patullo as like, I agree. The one. Yes. You know, he's got the longstanding relationship. Well, plus this is a preexisting frustration. Right. That preates Kevin Petulow being the officer coordinator. Yeah.

Yeah. It's a tough one. I don't want to like stand on. It's not yours. Yeah. Yeah. But I do think like that those dynamics are real. You know, like your podcast co-host, Brandon Graham, like mentioned it last year.

And it's funny because I think it gets repackaged and this conversation might get packaged to say, like people might say this is a media, stirred up media thing. It's like last year, BG said it. Like, he was a captain on the team. Like, and this year, like, AJ posted on social media. It's not like, you know, it's not like AJ being taken out of time. Right. It's not like AJ said something in the post game locker room that we all then ran with.

He literally posted, I mean, it was a cryptic message on social media. So I would push back on the idea that like this is like something that's being blown out of proportion in the public sense. I think that there it's, it's a window into something going on with the team. no doubt. Yeah. And let's, let's keep going down the path here. Do you think there's a chance

that it could come to they need a divorce? Maybe. I mean, I mean, this is untenable. This current situation is untenable. Yeah.

Right? To be winning, to be 4 and O and have arguably your best player like discontented every week. That is not tenable. And so either they got to listen to him. Discontent.

intended too. Yeah, for the most part. So either they got to listen to him or like this is not going to solve itself. He's not going to just quiet. Yeah. And it's like just such, it's a hell of a thing. Like they're four and oh. They are probably the best team in the conference. But this is like, to me, this and I, to me that doesn't invalidate the conversation because what you just said is the point. It's like they can win games and guys are still unhappy. And this is like, not to sound like my predecessor here, but like the Pat Riley disease of me where it's like when you win, people believe that their contribution to winning outsized is bigger than the winning itself.

And like, I don't think, I think that you can be reductive in your, in your, like, evaluation of the situation. I think you could say, like, AJ should just be happy that they're winning. And, like, I think that is reductive because I think it can be a lot more nuanced in the sense of, like,

you want to contribute to winning. You want, like, AJ came out this summer and said, I think I'm the best receiver in the NFL and I want to put a stamp on it. And he talked about the joy of winning a Super Bowl not being greater than the joy of having a defensive back across from him. Stink his head and go, I can't mess with this guy. Right. Cleaning it up for the listeners.

Like that was his mindset going into this season. And like I didn't hear a lot of people having an issue with any of those things when he said those things. But now that he's frustrated because he's not achieving what he wanted to achieve this season, presumably frustrated because it's a cryptic message. People now are taking it. taking some issue with it. And I understand it. I do understand it. But it's, to me, it's a nuanced thing that is the product of winning games. You know, I said this to you before we came out on here. I tried to find the article that this came from, but it reminds me of succession. Someone once described succession as like a bunch of wealthy people in beautiful places that are miserable.

And it's like, you know, right. But that is like, that to me aligns with like the disease of me where it's like when you win so much, sometimes the winning becomes secondary to the other things. Right. And when you are a. accustomed to pretty much always winning. Yeah. You know, it's less important. And by the way, I mean, listen, I know that this is ridiculous and it's fanciful. And you would never trade a Hall of Fame caliber wide receiver.

But if this is the way they're going to play, you need to reallocate your resources. Maybe it would be better off getting different resources. Now, I think that that's silly, but it's at the beginning of a road, I would say. But I do, like, it's hard because you think about how this Eagles team is constructed. And like, there are spots where they have to get cheaper because of the fact that they have built such a dominant offense, a top heavy roster with those two guys out on the outside. And they're both making a lot. And you think about like they've made concessions at other positions. I mean, edge rusher really stands out.

And like, you know, you could make an easy counter. Like, well, if Bryce Huff had worked out, they'd look a lot better at Edgerger right now. But like, at some point, you're right. Like, your roster construction needs to reflect the way that you want to play. And if you weren't going to have an aggressive passing offense to take advantage of your matchup advantages out there, then what do you spend of the money for? Water gun to your belly button. A year from today. Let me do turkeys on it.

No. Yes. This is yes or no. I mean, it's the same thing as it'll be 50-50. you'll go one away the other, but water gun to your belly is A.J. Brown on the Eagles on September 30th, 2026. I wish you let me do turkeys on this. I might say no. I might say no. With the information we have now, I would say slightly... We're prisoners of the moment. Yeah. I think I would say no also. That's, that is so dumb. And by the way, here's, here's the other thing

that is getting totally washed over. And shout out to my buddy Derek for bringing this up. You know, you've made the thing about, you know, AJ's less the diva, like some of the things that Devante does. Yeah. All of the AJ conversation is ignoring the fact that they are, boy, are they wasting Devante Smith. Yeah.

You know, I said this. And he's the guy who they, and you know, you said the Puka thing. Like, he's the one that they can really move around. Yeah, I said that on Anthony show this today. Like, you see Pooka Naku's route tree. You see the way that Cooper DeGine was featured. or sorry, Cooper Cup, not Cooper Gene, got my white Cooper's mixed up.

If you see the way Cooper Cup was featured in the Rams offense over the past couple of seasons, like, there's no reason DeVante Smith can't do that. Like, he is overqualified for that. He's qualified for that role. They just don't use him that way. It's crazy. Like, he's absolutely, he can play everywhere. He can run every route.

Like, he's the one get him the ball. And then that opens things up, you know, I don't know. And like, again, 4 and O and like this time last year, this time last year I wasn't as alarmist though. You know, like this time last year, I didn't think they were going to win the Super Bowl, but I did not like, I thought that they had time to figure out. I mean, I guess they have time now too. But I was, I was less alarmist last year for sure. I see people in the chat are like, you know, we are we are fanning flames on something that that has. no life and we're being reactionary and this is why media is bad.

I gotta tell you, earth to you, these are the conversations that are happening in the building. Yeah. Okay? So believe that or not, this is not the kind of thing where it is a media creation. It is the kind of thing where,

like, everybody involved with the organization is like, what is going on right now? How can we fix this? And they're four and oh, it's insane. Anyway, good discussion.

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Plenty to talk about, though. Let's talk defensive line because I think Eagles fans are happy to be four and O, but they're a little bit on edge about the edge, I guess. Agbo O'Karonko, suffers an injury, goes on injured reserve, Nolan Smith is on IR, Eagles have just a half a sack on the season

from their edge rushers. Is this something that you would be concerned about or is it something that, you know, preach patience? I just say patience because Coach he had to build with us last year Yeah And of course you ain't got some of the big names that we had last year I'm not saying that

I'm just saying you got to know your personnel Who can do what and what you And I feel like Vick does a great job of Asked players to do certain things I mean it could be a thing where Jahaigo To an end Yeah And start pressing when Nolan come back

When you get the Kobe back Yes It's so many different things that can happen, but it's just all about how they want to play the cards. And so I feel like Vic is the wizard with that. I'm looking to see how on how we adjust because it's about adjusting. And then we got to stay healthy because we can't have too many people going on IR. All these triceps.

I know, man. That's a funny. That's a funny little one too because it's not often you've got people hurting triceps. It's more biceps than triceps. Okay. And you know all about it. I know all about it. And that's a, if, what's the name,

Tored, he out for the year because it takes four months. Well, unless he pulls a you, unless he pulls a you and gets back for the Super Bowl. And come back. But I think he'd be more in the clear. Yeah. If he'd come back,

if he'd come back that time to, because when did I do my, I did my November? Yes. He did his September. So they give him at least three, three and a half, four months. What you're talking about with Vic about him,

like, understanding his personnel and getting to know it and then, catering the scheme to everybody's skill sets. Do you find that that is different than other coordinators you've played for? Yeah, I just think that comes with the wisdom of being around ball for a while and just seeing certain body types of guys and being like, oh, man, I play, I'll coach the guy like you.

I feel like this should be your position. You should do this. Like Zach Bond, I'm sure he's seeing somebody of Zach Stature and how he plays. and was like, man, let me move here. I didn't move that guy here, but I feel like you'd be good here. And, man, that was perfect. That was like, love at first sight. No doubt about it.

He was exactly right. He knew right away. He put him right there. Insane. Even though Zach was mad and didn't want to go. Right. But he's happy now. He sure is.

And he's playing at a very high level as is Jahad Campbell. Do you think that, like, you know, we know how he's always active? to me if he's going to make a big trade and think edge is possible how difficult would it be for somebody to come in midstream and pick things up I don't think it would be bad it's just more about just bring your skills

your skills that's all you need because Vic doesn't make it he don't want to make it make it complicated but you have to do your job and times where you let you lose and you go rush rush is up to you is just knowing who your personnel is that's with you like your detail

tackle that you're rushing against, how he likes to rush, and where are you supposed to be? When we rushing together, you got to have that cohesive rush because if you have a B gap that's open, wide open, that's where, I don't care if you win your one-on-one, that's where the quarterback has stepped up and escape the pocket. You want to be able to collapse a pocket on them. And when you don't, when y'all all not on the same page, that's where it gets tough. And sometimes it's just, it just takes reps together to know how certain guys like to rush. I know Fletch, Fletch likes to be in the B gap.

That's the, that's outside the guard. He never really come inside of the A gap. You know, he really never went inside a lot unless it was asked of him to do that. Okay. But in me knowing that, I would play off him. If I feel he gets too far up to field, I'll come up under him. Come under. You caught yourself.

You know, but I definitely replace him. or where he was to try to feel the big hole that becomes when he goes too far up to field past the quarterback. And so that's where I, if he do get somebody, it got to be somebody experienced, which I know it will be. But that's what you got to fight against, like, getting that chemistry together. Do you think they need to do that at somebody? I'm not sure.

I'm not sure. Because I think that Zadarius. And I know everybody's thinking, what about Brennan Graham, but you're going to have to watch what? Wednesday's episode of Unblocked to find out the answer to whether or not that's a possibility. And by January, you let me know how that worked out. How about Jalen Carter? Because, you know, he spoke after the game that he, like, he knows that his numbers are not

where some people might have expected, but he's still making an impact. I mean, he's pretty, to me, pretty obviously playing through pain. He planned through some stuff right now. Oh, no. Oh, here we go again. here we go again always this segment what am I doing wrong a couple of them

a couple of them uh I had already held in my in mine it was like like you know how you breathe him down but this time that thing just forced his way out yeah yeah but uh yeah yeah jaylor

he's getting there he's dealing with he's a warrior somebody that that's fighting through some stuff landing same thing yeah But it's going to get better. Hopefully they get them that Thursday, 10-day window where he'll start feeling a little better. But right now, it's grind time.

What do you see from him? I see that they giving them a lot of attention, as you know. I mean, he helps make that Morosack. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That was a sweet, that was sweet little rush with them doing their stunt. And, man, I was happy that because that's what we got, you got to be selfless in that. Like for Jaylon Carter.

to give up to take two and then let Morrow come around and get the sack. Of course, we're going to give Morrow to sack. Come up under him, you might say. No. Fill the big hole. Fill the big hole. The hole that you create from going too far somewhere. But I know that.

But Morrow always giving the praise. Like, man, I appreciate that. Like, you just want to get that recognition from your, at least your teammate, if nobody noticed it. But Jalen Carter was definitely a reason why, because he got to take two. Have there been times in your career where guys were less willing to do that dirty work for somebody else? Or like really more arguing over sacks and stuff like that? Yep.

Yeah, I know you see you. I see it. You see me, you see me. And I told you it get like that. But if I, you know who was funny. We only had them for one year was Mike Bennett. Benet definitely be like

Yeah BG you go sacrifice yourself I'll just come come under and get the sack And Michael Bennett boy He definitely was He used to be a pimp And now what other people Might not know is there is the

Like if you share a sack Or it's like two guys get there at the same time There's then like sometimes the They get sometime who touched them first Right And then that week you'll have like you know, I'll pay you if you let me have this sack, something like that. Well, if you can, so this will happen sometimes because sometimes people don't, they don't want,

like you can't do it like that, but sometimes if you see that it was clearly your sack, but they gave him credit too. Right, you can submit it to the league, right? You can submit it to the league, but sometimes you don't because you, that's your guy. You like, I want them to get a sack or half a sack. Right. get on the stats sheet. But sometimes like a fletch,

it don't matter of you, his guy. Not, no, man, that's my sack. Which is cool because, well, because he's doing all the other dirt work anyway. If he gets there. I mean, which I never took it personal on that, even though I used to take stuff personal, but I just like, look, man,

sometimes you call, sometimes you try to turn it in and they still be like, nah, that's still his sack. Right. Or, man, I've seen it where he turned it in and it became his sack and not his sack. Right. Like you try to turn it in and get credit for you and you already had credit. Oh, he had a half and he's trying to get the full.

And then they give the full to somebody else. And then they get the full to him because. That's funny. It's like, well, yeah, he had majority of the sack. So that really is his sack. And boy, oh, man, could you just imagine like how hot you got to be when you think that you're about to get the full sack and then you lose the whole thing when you had a half. Well, you think about it, right?

it's after the season's over nobody's going to be looking at those they're just going to see the number and so if you're a guy in a contract year you might be more willing to and that's when i'm willing to help in that sense too yeah somebody that's trying to get paid me at this level if we if i get a half with you and you feel it's yours turning in man yeah i'm 15 years in yeah you know it's all good like 70 some sacks already i'm cool is there one that you remember from your career that's like I could have had I should have had this one but I didn't submit it or something like that. Oh yeah, it's a couple but I just remember having those conversations. I can't remember specifically which ones, but okay. I know that there was some in there. It's a lot of them that I missed.

I said I wanted to I wanted to get a highlight tape of all the sacks I missed and see what I would have had. Okay. If I wouldn't have missed them. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes sometimes he just get out. You like, how did you get out my hands like that last play? of the Super Bowl. I'm like, how did Brady shake me off like that? Yeah. You know, but it's all technique stuff. So I just want to get one of all the ones that I would have had.

That'd be good. That'd be sweet. I said, did not really know the real number of what I would have had. Right. If that would have been a Hall of Fame year. Okay. Good stuff. Well, Hall of Fame career.

All right. That's it. Brandon Graham. Make sure you check out the Unblocked podcast on Wednesday. Lots of good talk about Viji's future. here, all that good stuff. What's going on with the Eagles? You know, all the drama off the field,

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It's a feeling. Visit your local Ashley Showroom and start saving today. I enjoyed that conversation that you had with BG. I always like talking to him. You seem like you'd be the type of teammate that would want to send in the sack to the league to try and get the full sack. How dare you? What do you mean? That's a very you thing.

How dare you? That is a very... Take my sack. Brother, you got it. I'm a teammate. No, you know that you would be... No way. You'd be the sack stealer.

No way. Maybe if it was my very first sack or something like that. The sack grabber? No. See, the... The chat... You have said worse about me on this podcast. Clearly, Tom Brady on the broadcast on Sunday,

is the one who said that he is the sack grabber. Yeah, that is true. And that was a wild admission. He has a wild admission every week, every week. What was it? Who did he say? He said something. I would never do that to my team. Did you hear what he said about like kicking a dog? He said something about like kicking a dog like two weeks ago. He was like that's one where you go home and you kick the dog. You're so angry. And it's like no. Nobody does that. You're out here like who's out here just kicking their dog? Not cool. Not cool. Tom Brady. I take offense to that All right, what else is going on? I wanted to present something So you're talking to BG And potentially future

We should probably talk about The Eagles at dresser at depth I sure I bet we should Yeah so Obo Ocaronkwell Sounds like he's headed for IR with a triceps injury Which leaves them even thinner At a position that they were already thin Maybe this will be Aziz Ojalari's pathway

To getting on the field If he doesn't get on the field now, he's got to just, like, storm out. Yeah, but we... What are we doing? So, if you look at their depth, it is not ideal. I mean, even, like, Jalick's hunt, he hasn't really flashed very much, you know? Like, they don't, I think it's the status that, I mean, I think Zadarius Smith is the only one that has a sack among that group. So, and it's a half sack for him.

So... Half sack. The Eagles have as many sacks as a team as Milton Williams and Joshua have combined. That's ironic. Very ironic. Although Moro Jomo, he's doing all right. He had a good game against the bucks.

Yeah, he's well on his way to 20 sacks that you predicted. To me, it's more of an edge problem than a defensive tackle problem. No doubt. No doubt. So I'm going to present to you a trade proposal. And don't worry, chat.

This does not involve A.J. Brown. Okay. Where we've moved on. Would you trade Tanner McKee? No. Four? No, the answer is no. Trey Hendrickson.

No. You wouldn't do that straight up. Would not do it. Do you think the compensation is reasonable? Straight up. No draft compensation on either end. Well, no draft compensation from the Eagles. Honestly?

No. I should have known that you were going to come in on the strong. I had an impassioned conversation. He's going to be 31 in December, Trey Henderson. You're going to trade someone who has the, value of about at worst, I think, a second round pick for one year? So to me, I think Trey Hendrickson's probably worth a two. And I think Tanner McKee is also worth at least a two.

So there were people in the media house today. One thing that I will say, the feeling that disagreed with me. The one thing that I will say is that they do look like each other a little bit. And so from that standpoint, it's an easy deal. I want to know what the chat thinks. If this is maybe a little Fran bait, a little Fran in the chat bait here, I need to know what some rational thinkers.

Think of this trade proposal. Because it is a little interesting to me. Now, I think you'd be selling... Maybe you know for me, Doug. You'd be selling like a little low on Tanner McKee. Like, do you think he could be worth more in the off season if he gets a chance to play it all this year? But if you get Trey Hendrickson back,

you bolster that edge rusher rotation, I think it makes some sense. Now, I don't think... Listen, I think that... I think, Trahendrickson can probably be had right now. And I think the egos might be interested. Yeah.

I mean, so does Fran, Fran, Fran, he's in the chat. He says, let's say you make that trade. If Hurt gets hurt,

your season is tanked, even with Trey Hendrickson. So I guess your argument is, they could Nick Foles it with Tanner McKee as a backup quarterback. Like, you still think their Super Bowl window is open. Yes.

Yeah. I think I'm gonna go, I'm gonna zag that I know this is the Tanner McKee podcast. I would do that trade. I mean, have you, you haven't seen Sam Hal on this offense. Even I don't believe that one. Yeah, I just, it's a no for me. All right.

I'd rather trade, I'd rather trade the draft picks. I don't know. That's, yeah. It's kind of talking out of both sides of my mouth. Well, no, that's kind of like the other option is like, you could just do it. You could just make it too. Yeah, I think probably next week maybe we,

Although next week is a short week, so maybe we don't have time for it. But at some point, we got to have like a trade discussion. Yeah, I mean. Because, you know, as the as the dolphins are losing, I know people are thinking about Jaylor Phillips potentially. Yeah. And Jalen Phillips, although, you know, he was there when that team hated Vic Fangio. So I don't know how that would go over.

But listen, as teams are losing, teams that maybe thought they expected to be better, you know, the jets have some edge rush. depth. That could be interesting. I don't know. I expect how to make a trade. Yeah, and I think Eddrusher is a spot. I think there's a chance that's a corner? Honestly, increasingly more likely the way that the season's gone, but I still feel like they've got, like, Jacorian Bennett, as crazy as it sounds,

like, Jacorian Bennett going on IR does increase the likelihood, because, like, they've got fewer sliding door scenarios to find that guy. with Jacori and Bennett out, but I don't know. I still think that between Kili Ringo and Adori Jackson, you probably can find a guy you feel good about. I mean, like, I know that, like, that might sound crazy, but it's like, guys, like, teams win Super Bowls with worse players than Kili Ringo or Dori Jackson.

You know, like, it's... I agree. Like, we have spent a lot of the show talking about champagne problems. Like, you're not going to have pro bowlers at every position. You know, that is a champagne problem to have. So, but the lack of rush, the things that Vic Fangio has had to do to compensate for it. I think he is like a less edge rusher dependent

coach, defensive coach, than most of the coaches we've seen with the Eagles. Like, you know, he doesn't have to have like that four-man rush that can just win. He can cook up sim pressures and, you know, have Zach Bonn or Jihad Campbell as part of a rush plan to kind of compensate for it. But I do think against the good quarterbacks,

you need to be able to rush with four. And I'm not quite confident that they're there yet. Just looking at, you know, the leaders on teams that are not very good. Are you, what are you sorting by here? Are you sorting by pressures? Who do you think I am? I was trying to, it was like, it was like,

if I attempted a gotcha moment. If I caught you sorting by pressures, I would never do that. Well, it's like, this is like when people accused Fran of using AI. You have standards. No, they accused you of using AI. No, they accused him of using AI. They accused you too.

You've been accused of using AI on the show recently. I do remember this. Never. And shame on anyone who does. Carl Granderson? That's probably like the... John Ward, that's not doing anything for you. Yeah.

Jihad Ward, Philly Native. That's right? Yeah. Nothing, I mean, I don't know. So, Trey Hendrickson. Cameron, Jordan, he's not going anywhere. Is it Cameron Jordan Jordan? Jordan was a Blair.

Do you remember Jordan Cameron? No. Oh. I'm like getting... Right end. Not familiar. USC workout warrior at the combine, moved his way up the draft boards.

Oh. He seems like my kind of guy. Who could jump at the gym. Yeah. Not a very good NFL career, but had one year that popped, I think. I feel like this guy's like hairline beard combo is not too dissimilar to what mine would be if I had short hair.

Interesting. Yeah. I do have some more takeaways from the press conferences if you are interested. Sure. But now I have to find them. You know what? I think we actually went through most of them now that I'm going through these.

Yeah. I mean, Patula talked about the run game, but honestly, I think Fran's breakdown was more comprehensive than what he offered on it. What did he say about AJ? Oh, yeah, I've got that. AJ and I have a great relationship just throughout the years being here. We've spent a lot of time together. So as far as communication and getting to him, Him and I have had no problem.

And I know where his heart is, where he lies, he wants to win. So he feels like he can do anything and everything to help us at all times. So as far as I'm concerned, we're in a good spot. Okay. Oh, the other thing I wanted to mention with Petulow, now that I'm going through these quotes again, he did point to like the fact that they've played for very good and very unique defenses at the start of the season as part of the reason they haven't been able to find their identity. I don't know how much stock I put into that.

but what I do sort of like make I would like to make some space for this too now I know that's kind of a theme today we gotta make less space for you making space And Fran said no more champagne problems

I don't think that's a me thing is it? No no I don't know if I say it that much But anyway I do think that there's something too like they've played defenses that are pretty that like major in one very extreme thing

you know it's like you're not That excuse doesn't fly for me Well it's harder to figure out like what you're going to lean on if you're going up against a team that like kind of takes away a lot of your versatility as an offense by doing something. But I mean, I hear you. That's a problem you have to solve. I mean, like, where are you going to get to the playoffs and be like, oh, no, this defense is good. What are we going to do? No, I completely agree. That's why I think it's instructive. It's like, these are the types of teams you're going to play. You know, Patula mentioned like that

they've played these teams before, like, you know, recently and that familiarity has played into it. And it's like, well, like, you know, that's just because these are like playoff teams. These are good teams. All right, a little bit more to come on the PHA Y Eagles podcast, but unfortunately it's going to come in overtime. It's loosening up here for

overtime. Get it going? I don't think I'm doing it. Nice and comfortable. Yeah, I guess I get to be. Yeah, give it to the people. Give the people what they want. Let's talk phone favorites.

You're considering making a move that You're going to make me go on record with this. I'm just saying you're thinking about it. Now, my favorites have probably remained unchanged for a decade. Okay, mine too. You know, you are, my old job was different in that like I talked to a group of people. So you sort of, you hit different people different days.

Sure. Now, you didn't like them as much. Oh, no, I've got a lot of appreciation for all of them. Although my girl Olivia, Cliff's girl, Olivia. I didn't hear a like in there. No, I mean, I like all of them. Obviously. You see, oh, you know what?

Now that we're in overtime, I can curse an overtime, right? Sure. Do you know what Vic Fangio called Zach Berman today? No. Wait, who is that? He called him. Oh, the defense winner? Yeah, ZV.

Okay. Zach Sherman. He called him a shitster. Oh, my God. I don't know who that person is you're talking about, but it sounds like the kind of person whose day that might ruin. Because like, and listen, I will defend Zach. He was asking about like his.

time in Denver and his relationship with John Peyton and I think Vic was like defaute him you said that Vic was already terse today to begin with yeah but like yeah he was like what's what's with you today like but listen that is there are like there Zach is so far from that like he is like the furthest guy from that description that it was I don't know no don't do that don't do that I don't know the person you're talking about but but from what you're describing it sounds like someone who might be stirring the pot? He doesn't stir the pot at all. He was asking insightful questions about a time in Vic Fangio's career that might be informative

and topical this week. You know, clickbait kind of. It's terrible. Zach, I stand with you. He's not an SS. It's just like so bizarre to hear somebody describe it. It's very funny. Yeah.

So yeah. Anyway, back to the favorites. Yeah. Yeah, I'm considering making a move. What an honor that would be. You'd be like with like literally it's the seven people in my life who have been in my favorite since I was probably 18 years old. But honestly, the people in my favorites, like 18 year old EJ nailed it. Those are the people I call.

Those are like I don't. But do you feel like that's kind of self-fulfilling prophecy? Like those, you put them in the favorites. So they're the buttons you press. No. I think it's a reflection of like those are the people in my life that have been the constants in my life. Now, that's why I probably won't add you. Because, like, I want to look back when I'm 40.

Yeah, exactly. No, not if I leave. People have left before. You sound scarred. It's almost like your co-host, your past call-hosts to a podcast together. Yeah. But no, I want to look back when I'm 40 and feel the same way about my favorites. Hmm.

So, well, I mean, listen, if you don't want to ever have ever change it, then you probably shouldn't change it. I'm thinking about it though. But. Because I do call you a lot now. I text you like a lot, which is painful for me because you do. I've told you, you text like an old millennial. You just hit me. I'm an old millennial.

Yeah, I know, but you text like it. It's like, ha, ha, okay. Ha, okay. Andrew, come on. That's tough, isn't it? A ha, okay. Like, that's a painful text to get in somebody, especially if you thought what you thought what you sent was funny.

Aha, okay, is I am doing something else right now and I am acknowledging your text. So you just blown me off. No, I just like, I want to make space for you to feel heard. You know, Franz says he can confirm that you text like an old millennial.

But I also like, I got other things going on right now. See, Fran, I give you a good text. I'll give you the full response when I'm ready to give you the full response. Fran's a good texter. Fran, he texts, you can read Fran's text in his voice. Sure.

I mean, I guess so. Yeah. Speaking of being washed, are you familiar with the 6-7 thing? Why was 6-4 afraid of 7? No. That was washed. I learned about 6-7 today. So I know.

What's that? I don't know if it's worth explaining. We got to explain that one. It's like a meme. It's like a Gen Alpha meme. It's like derivative. It's like started with like lame. Lamello ball.

It's like, have you ever seen the things where it's like a normal video and then it cuts to like an athlete doing cool stuff with music behind it like maybe okay well that is what it is and it's like people saying six seven and then it's a song and it's lamello ball because he's six seven like playing basketball i've never it's i don't know on the show i've ever felt older i felt old when i had to look up and what it was somebody in the chat's got to know about six yeah see i see when i need to know something i tell you text my friend Dan, who's a middle school teacher. Okay.

Because, like, he's always up on the lingo. Yeah. I still don't even understand what we're talking about right now. I mean, that was the best I could explain it. This is, like, uh, the washed leading the washed here. Yeah. All right. Last thing.

When do you, when is acceptable to put your Christmas lights up? This has been a topic around the studio today. Acceptable? A day after Thanksgiving. Day? Oh, yes. See, Fran knows about it. Frang said he said he's a day ahead of you. He heard about it yesterday.

Oh, okay. All right. See, he's not washed. I don't go up that early, but I think as long as you wait until the day after Thanksgiving, you're okay. And you're turning them on that night?

I mean, I would probably think, oh, that's early for that person, but yeah. I think that's, I think that is when it is acceptable. I'm okay. Listen, if you, if you're just trying to get it done

while it's warm out, I understand it. But for me, I don't like seeing the Christmas lights the day after Thanksgiving. I like to have a little bit of a buffer. Yeah. Because to me...

I think December 1st is what's... Yeah, because to me, it cheapens Christmas if you try and make it a two-month holiday. Growing up, we were the opposite where most times, no surprise,

I've always been a procrastinator. Oh, me too. We would like, we would get our tree like the weekend before, Christmas, like a couple days, but then it would be up until like Valentine's Day. So we are on the same wavelength then because that's how we are. Like we get our tree like December 10th or something, but it'll be like January 20th and

that thing will still be up there. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, tree lasts a while. Where are you on fake tree, real tree? So I don't have a sense of smell. So you might think I'm a fake tree guy. Couldn't be further from the truth.

I love my wife gets so annoyed about this too because she came from a fake tree house. So she thinks the fake tree is practical. It is much cheaper. But the tradition of going to get the tree, we sometimes you cut it down, sometimes you just walk around, you pick up the perfect tree. That is special to me. You can't take that away. That's a part of the holiday season. So, yeah, I'm a real tree guy through and through.

And like, you know, it's like you have memories now. Like our first year in our house, we bought like the biggest tree we thought we could possibly fit in the house. And it was ridiculous. It blocked the TV. Like that? Yeah. it's like it becomes part of your yearly tradition. I feel like you have to get

the real tree. You don't have to, but I like the real tree for that reason. I have always been a real tree guy and real tree evangelist. However, a couple years ago, you know, he can't win every battle. So we made the move for the like the high quality tree that, you know, can stay in the basement.

Part of it is like with the kids. Yeah. And I, I understand that. And I, I gotta say, I'm disappointed with how little I mind it. Hmm. Okay.

I can't, you can't. But I get very like, I, you know, there's like, it comes with these, these,

uh, the gloves for primping and like, you know, because it's, you know, it's been locked away for a while. Yeah. So I'm,

I am really trying. I, I become a perfectionist about it. Like I don't, I really don't want to see the fakeness underneath. The gloves for primping. Oh, yeah. I just wouldn't have expected that out of you.

I don't want to, I don't want it to look fake. Yeah, I get that. I totally get that. See, like, for me, it's not so much looking fake. It's just, I don't know. I guess. Yeah, I agree with you. I like the, I think there will come a time when you should start alternating.

The youngest is old enough, yeah. Yeah, you should start alternating. Alternating doesn't make any sense. I mean, you're making your money back by using it. Yeah. Eventually, you get there. You don't have to be, I mean, listen, monarch money and Trumard cover your ears. earmuffs, but, you know, some things aren't totally about, like, saving every single dollar you

can. You got to enjoy life. I agree with that. And the tree is part of that to me. So, okay. How about Halloween? Yeah, I don't know why we, I don't know why Anthony this morning was talking about, well, I guess I do, but like the, there was a convoluted road that they got to the holiday season. Halloween, uh, I like Halloween. I mean, you're going, you're going Halloween decorations, October 1st? Um, probably not. Oh, well, we've got pumpkins out. Yeah, so I guess we got, Yeah, Julia did the pumpkin. My Julia did the pumpkins while I was away. Spooky.

Yeah, no, I like Halloween, but it's not the same as like cheap. You don't cheap in Halloween by putting pumpkins out early, you know? Because like the holiday season like fills you with joy. Like there's a reason that people want to start now. But like, I'm telling them like, you got to let it actually happen first. I don't disagree with that. Yeah, but Halloween's not the same thing to me. We never get trick-or-treaters. It's really a bummer.

We live on a busy road. Sickos. Go to his house on Halloween. Look for the lawn strikes. On the October 31st show, EJ is going to tell you, give you his address. You got to look for the lawn. You haven't asked me about my lawn, but... How's your lawn? I'd like to tell you that it's great. It's like, this is like the best time of year for the lawn.

The grass starts growing like crazy. It starts greening up. We're going to aerate and overseed this weekend. You got to time that. You got to time that so perfectly. And I think I got it this year. Andrew, like a big exhale. It's a big deal. It's a big job.

Yeah. Do something like that. I'm doing it myself this year. First time? It's my first time doing it. Well, the last time we did it, I paid somebody to aerate and then I did the overseeding. But no, I'm doing it all myself this year. Borrowing a machine for my neighbor.

We're going to get it done. You have to do it before it gets too cold because you don't want the frost to kill the new grass seed. But you don't want to wait. You don't want to do it too early. And when will you know that this was the, when you timed it right? If I make it, I think it's a six week germination period.

Okay. You got to pray that you don't have too many like frosty nights. Right. We have definitely, I've definitely timed it too late before. But I mean, my grass is in good shape. So it's not going to be the end of the world

if it doesn't, if it doesn't hit. You don't, and the thing that's really like interesting about it. It's like you don't know if you got it right until the next spring. That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

Like you just have to. wait until the springtime to see if you nailed it or not. You sprinkle a little, uh, Bostian's fine stockers all over the place. I have no idea what that is. Should I know what that is? Who said germinate? Oh. Who is that a tennis player?

No, soccer. Come on. Uh, this guy's not. You know what? I'm gonna sound really not watched right now. This guy's not an icon in FIFA. I don't know. Oh. Come on.

He's not even a hero. That is not too old for you. I mean, he played he's when did he retire he's not an icon in FIFA then how why would I know yeah you're right he retired in 2019 come on

I'm I don't claim to be like a long standing soccer fan I'm just like an intense new soccer fan I can pronounce Galatasarai and Andrew can't my team's not even in the champion's this morning thank you appreciate Andrew has caught a couple soccer strays for me today I'm really salty that Ashtonville aren't

in the Champions League it kills me every Tuesday. I just sit there and stew that villa playing in the Europa League. Tough. It's painful. All right. That's it.

Sorry. AJ's getting traded. I don't know what to tell you. All right. That'll do it for this episode of the P.HL. Eagles podcast. Thank you to Brandon Graham.

Thank you to Andrew, even though he can't pronounce a galatasar. Hey, Niz is going to be really upset. Thank you to Fran. Thank you. everybody in the chat. Thank you, EJ. Make sure you're commenting,

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And we roll on with the dramatic, undefeated Philadelphia Eagles. We'll talk to tomorrow. And as always, we love you. Thank you.