PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Are Khalil Mack, Javon Hargrave among the Philadelphia Eagles’ top targets in free agency?

Episode Date: March 4, 2025

That’s right, baby, it’s time for free agent quacketology as we try to identify the most likely free agent signing for the Eagles. This year, the focus is on edge rushers likes Khalil Mack, Chase Young, Azeez Ojulari and Dayo Odeyingbo, plus veteran defenders like Asante Samuel Jr., Baron Browning and Paulson Adebo. Where do the players on offense fit in? And what about Myles Garrett, Harold Landry or Kyle Pitts as a trade target?Fran Duffy, Zach Berman and Bo Wulf take step one in the Quacketology process on today’s episode. Don’t miss the hot and steamy action. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, and welcome to the P.H.L.I. Eagles podcast on a beautiful Tuesday afternoon, Bo Wolf, Zach Berman, Fran Duffy, the gang is all back together in studio. We've got a lot to talk about. It's quackatology season. Fran, you're back in Philadelphia after a week in Indianapolis. You're not even home for 24 hours. You're pulling double duty today. We got the draft show at noon. Zach, you're doing God knows what all day long. never stopping working. How you doing? Doing great. Thrill to be here. Pump to see Fran. Pumped to be the four of us here in studio. Hey, man. Fran, how are you? Doing good. Yeah, doing well since our show an hour ago.

I hope everybody goes and checks that out. We talked a lot about just the big takeaways from the combine questions that still need to be answered. So go check that out. Yes, please do check that out. The P.H.L.Y draft show with Fran Duffy, lots of Combine takeaways and also answered your questions. Every Tuesday now at noon. You can join us for that show. So, Zach, we do have some, before we get to quackatology,

and if you're just joining us, your new, what the hell are they talking about? We have 64 players bracketed out. Actually, 65. There's a playing game. He's playing game. But 64 players bracketed out into different regions. We are going to whittle it down, matchup by matchup,

to try to figure out who is the player we are most confident the Eagles are going to add next week in free agency. Now, because this year is a little bit different, We expect the Eagles to be a little bit less aggressive in free agency. There's an entire region of trade and cut candidates. This is a first in quackatology history. Very exciting. We're excited about that.

But we do have some other NFL news that has ramifications for the Eagles, Zach. Why don't you tell us about that? Well, first, can do a quick plug? Maybe do a long plug. Great piece today on all p.hly.com, top 100 free agents. Yep. So please don't pause this show. But if you watch this show, then you want supplemental material.

for that. Yeah, if you need 8,000 words, yeah. A breezy, 8,000 words, there's your chance. I didn't understand the photos. Can you explain those to me?

Which ones? Like, the photo of those girls, um, like the, the ballerinas? The ballerinas. Well, who did it come after?

Uh, I have to look it up. Who to come after? Well, they're little ballerinas. They came after. Two, two,

Atwell. Oh. I see what you did there. Okay. Was I supposed to put that together, reading it? I think you were supposed to be. Yes. Well, nonetheless, awesome piece.

Great information in there. Make sure you check that out. Make sure you're a diehard. You have French draft guide. A labor of love going through those hundred free agents. I enjoyed doing it. But I don't know if the bang is worth the buck. So please do read it and comment.

And, you know, I think some of the jokes I was writing at 1 a.m. on those things, I think they were pretty good. And you want to do it? And you want to know how Bo now has become a film grinder. Because you grind the film on these guys. I've been grinding the film on these guys. And I mean, NFL pro is fantastic for this, right? If I'm going to Joe Osai, who we will get to, you know, you can watch all of his pressures, watch all of his tackles.

It is a great reminder, though, about how stupid pressures are. And it's why I never use pressures or pressure rate. Like, you look, oh, look at these five straight Joe Osai pressures. And it's like, oh, he's unblocking. completely unblocked in a play action play on purpose and like it's a touchdown pass like oh good pressure from like give me a break quarterback hits sacks that's all I care about give me tangible two of the first three things that came out of Bo's mouth when I saw him today for the first time something you never thought you'd come out about first thing hey Fran how's going I think I love Anthony Nelson I think I love Anthony Nelson second hey this 25 year old tight end from South Carolina. Might be really good. Well, those weren't my exact words.

You had to let me know. But yeah, there you go. And also your 25-step guide for Howard Roseman yesterday. Lots of stuff for the diehards. Yeah, if I may say, our off-season coverage is outstanding. So make sure you check that out. All-P-H-L-Y.com. The news you were referring to, James Radbury has been informed that he is going to be released.

I thought it was the OSO Diggie Zoo News. Go ahead. No, I forgot about Braddeggallie. Go ahead. Oh, I thought that's what you were. No, go ahead. Okay. James Bradbury.

So I imagine that James Bradbury would have been more surprised if he was informed he was staying. Right. But he is going to be released. It will be a post-June 1st designation. The Eagles will save $2.1 million. We discussed James Bradbury at the end of the season. Look, these past two years have not gone well. This past year in particular did not play.

But a respected veteran behind the scenes had one really good year for the Eagles to, forgettable years. It's a less than a free agency. Maybe the league valued him correctly. The Eagles didn't. But I did ask James Bradbury a few weeks ago if this is it in Philadelphia.

We both kind of knew what I was asking. You know, how do you look back at your time? And he said, and I'm quoting here. He can just dig it right up. You know what? I'm glad I got to experience, one, I would say, the Philadelphia Eagles fan base, greatest fan base in the world. I'm glad I got to experience.

the highs and lows of being a part of the Philadelphia Eagles. I'm going to always cherish these moments that I had, and I'm just thankful that it ended with a Super Bowl ring. So that's James Bradbury. He also said in a separate conversation that he feels like he has a lot to prove, so we'll see what the market is for him. We spoke yesterday about Dariusleigh potentially coming back. I don't think James Bradbury will be coming back to the Eagles.

But nonetheless... No, but notable that the Eagles are now... They've used up their allotment of post-June 1. You can only use two. And just to clarify, because some people ask, asked me this, trades that are post-June-first, those aren't designated post-June 1st. You actually have to make the trade after June 1st. But they can be agreed upon.

Yes. Exactly. But you don't get the savings. Like now the Eagles will get the savings pre, you know, they can, or I'm sorry, not the savings, but the player can go sign somewhere else. If the Eagles were to trade Dallas Goddor or Bryce Huff post-June 1st, that player would still be on the team until after June 1st. June 1st.

Right. They can't go to the new facility yet. Has a trade ever been made though and like, but not like post June 1st. Agreed to but then consummated later. I don't think I don't know that. I mean, it feels like it must have, but yeah. Hmm. Interesting.

So then the news you were that I think you were teamed up for and I didn't realize was, give me the pronunciation please. Odaugiazua. A very good defensive tackle with the Dallas Cowboys who was expected to be tagged. signed a deal that strikes me as a bit team friendly. Would you say that? Yeah. It's a, well, it's $480 for $20 million a year, but it's $57 guaranteed.

So that's basically three years of guaranteed money, right? I think you're probably right that if he had gotten on the open market, he might have gotten a little bit more than that. We were speaking about Milton Williams pushing past $20 million. And this only pushes Milton Williams' price up. Exactly. Yep. because there were two young, very good defensive tackles available.

Now there's only one, and so Milton's going to get more because they're going to be more bidders. Cowboys said they would be selectively aggressive. They were selectively aggressive with one of the top defensive tackles on the free agent market. But Greg Rosenthal, who does a great job with his free agent rankings, the only non-Eagle defensive player that he had, or I should say player in the front seven that he had, in his top 20 was... O'Diqizua. Exactly.

And now the Eagles are... The only players left are the four Eagles. So that should probably show you what the market's going to be for... A very good pass rusher, O'DiGizua. Of the high-volume defensive tackles last season, guys who rushed the pass at least 400 times, O'Digizu hit the quarterback more often than all of them, except for Cam Hayward and Chris Jones.

And then the other piece of news today is that... And this happened as I was driving in. Jonah Jackson, who was a prize for agent signing last year with the Rams. They gave them permission to seek a trade. This has been a thing in the NFL, permission to seek a trade, usually mean we're about to cut you. That's not the case with Jonah Jackson. The Chicago Bears made the trade.

They pick up the money on the deal. They trade a late pick. So one could infer that the bears did not view this as a very good free agency class. If they were willing to give up a pick to get Jonah Jackson. Yeah, I was surprised that they were willing to give a pick and take on the full salary. Probably because they figure they're not getting a better guard. He has experience with Ben Johnson in Detroit. But media native, shout out Shield Capadia and Jonah Jackson.

Oh, Shield's going to take offensive at you shouting out Greg Rosenthal's for Agent List and not his. No, it's good that you gave him that. Shield's rankings are awesome. I was just using that as a reference point. Since we started the show, some more defensive linemen hitting the market. So the Seahawks released, not just safety Rayshon Jenkins, not just offensive tackle George Fant,

but also Roy Robinson Harris and that has a Vic Fangio background, Draymond Jones. And the Clint Hurt background. Ah, very good. So yes, Draymond Jones is in the quacketology bracket, and I think that he would make a lot of sense.

You mentioned him in your, in your Harry Roseman write-up, but I think he would make a lot of sense. Yeah, he's someone who I've, well, I guess we can wait for the conversation. Well, that one will be in tomorrow's episode. Okay, so then, yeah, Draymond Jones is someone who,

when I was looking at potential cuts, I thought he, like you said, made a lot of sense. First off, I mean, was a comparable player to Milton Williams in terms of playing style. The way he was used with Vic Fangio was that style. The Seahawks were playing him as an edge line as like an outside linebacker this year. I don't know if that's the best, you know, I think he can, what, you're. Are they playing, Dr.My Jones is an outside linebacker? Yes. Really?

Yeah, he was playing off the edge. Yeah, he was playing off the edge. Yeah, he was playing off the edge. Standing up. Yeah, that's wild. You got me worried that was I looking at the wrong player. I was like, could you imagine if my whole evaluation was based on a different player? Yeah.

Oh, my God. He's a boy A. Yeah, no, he was. Derek Hall. Yeah. But no, this is someone who was productive for Vic Fangio as a versatile defensive lineman. Body size is comparable to Milton Williams. You know, he's looking at like a 200-8.

80 pound player. And yeah, was in Seattle when Clinton Hurt was there when they signed him to the deal. So I think this is someone who, and as we discussed last week and we'll discuss this week, wouldn't count against the compic formula. Yeah, I mean, we are going to repeat this over and over again. But a player who is released by his team is automatically more attractive to the Eagles than a comparable player who is a regular free agent because they will not count against the compic formula.

Breaking news. Eagles related from Adam Schaefter. Eagles are rewarding Sequin Barclay with a two-year $41.2 million contract extension that makes them the highest paid running back in the NFL history per sources. The deal makes Barclay the NFL's first $20 million per year running back. Barclay also has the abilities to earn in an additional $15 million in incentives and escalators. The deal includes $36 million fully guaranteed at signing. The Eagles are taking the rare step of extending Barclay one year into his three-year deal. and in the same league year in which they signed him to the initial contract.

Yeah. Wow. So that's major money. This doesn't surprise me in terms of them redoing Barclay's deal. I was on Anthony's show today. And when we were talking about them adding other players, I was like, Sequin Barclay is sitting there at $13 million.

And it's like if you're paying Miles Garrett $30 million, what's Sequin are going to say? So now this is the first $20 million a running back. that's a big deal but this also probably shows you you know we talked whether I don't know if it's on air or off air

if they would do something about that third year to make Seekwon but I was curious if they would touch up Sequan's deal this offseason this is an example of them doing it like a Julian

flashing up to Sequan t-shirt we should get Vita calling and just give us a just to give us a Sequan and then hang up this is interesting now I imagine

that could be wrong there's a way that this is structured to reward him but also free up some immediate cap space? I would think so, right? I would think so. Now, they already had some void years in there, so they are really good at this. This is interesting. Listen, I mean, Sequin deserves it, certainly. But this is against precedent for them to, like, you know, reward a guy for a great season like this.

Listen, I mean, if there's a person to break precedent for, but like now all of a sudden you imagine that, you know, if A.J. Brown has an all-prose season next year, he's like, well, okay, it's my turn now, right? Like, I don't know. Yeah, that's fair. I mean, they redid AJ's. I was just to say, if you have the 100 percentile outcome season that Sequin had, then yes, you probably, like, you certainly deserve it.

I'm all for guys getting paid. I just, I'm a little bit surprised that they are. they are so eager to do it. Without seeing, without seeing how this affects the cap space. Yeah, we probably need to know the nuts and bolts a little bit. I would say this makes them more likely to go after a guy like Miles Garrett for the reason that I just said, because I do think there was this idea that if you go out and you pay someone else big money.

Yeah, which is always, which is always a thing as you're worried about locker room dynamics. Sequin did everything that they asked. Yeah. He's underpaid. He's the first offensive player of the year in franchise history. Right? Like this, so I think that they can be more at. That's an interesting read.

To go out and make a splash elsewhere because. Everybody else is taken care. Everyone else is taking care. I mean, I suppose Jalen. Truly everyone else is taking care. That's why I asked about the post-June 1st trade thing. I didn't know if that was anything.

I didn't know if that was anything that ever been to that. I suppose Jalen could say like, you know, I'm a Super Bowl MVP. There's other guys who've signed since then. Maybe they do that. But yeah, I thought Sequin was the one that really jumped out to me where if you brought in someone else, for big money, what would Seyquant say? Yeah.

This is very interesting. This is interesting. This is going to be a long show. All right. Let's flash up the full bracket of quacketology. 65 players for us to wade through. We're going to try to get through the first round for half of the bracket today. So two regions.

We're going to go free agent edge rushers, which is we got 16. guys we think that's a place where the Eagles are probably going to sign someone this offseason or it could be a trade from Miles Garrett so this could be 0 for 16 here but you can see all the matchups there that we'll run through today we will also run through today the free agent players everywhere else on defense so some defensive tackles some linebackers a couple corners a couple safeties and a play in game down at the bottom there and then on tomorrow show Zach and I will go through the free agent options on offense, who you can see there.

Who's the potential Mackay Beckton replacement? Why are there pictures of little ballerinas? Well, Tutuatwell comes into play. And then in the final region, you've got all of the trade and cut candidates. So you see Draymont Jones already in there ahead of the game could be a potential winner there. But Miles Garrett is the man who was,

the cover man on that. Nicely done on the graphics. If I can just add one quick thing here. You can add it 17. No, one quick thing. As you were saying that, and this also is something to keep in mind, players who are cut now

can be signed before next week. The Eagles did that with Malik Jackson a few years ago. So in theory, Draymond Jones, they can get a jump, they can get a head start on, if he's a guy they wanted and there was mutual interest, they could sign him

tomorrow and not wait for the start of the league. And just to underscore it, we mentioned it briefly. Played for Vic Fangio in Denver, played for Clint Hurt in Seattle. Eagles have some touch points there. They're always looking for in the arranged marriages of free agency. You're looking for a little bit of certainty about what those fits might be like. The cohabitation matrix.

You know what? Who was it? Was it Ryan Pace on the inside of the NFL podcast? I think. but somebody was talking about like they mentioned cohabitation and it was very clear I think it was Chicago because it was like Ian Cunningham brought this over from Philadelphia

well or is it Ryan you mean Ryan Poles well I said Ryan Pace Joe Douglas from I think Joe Douglas I don't think Joe Douglas really viewed the cohabitation matrix as same way What was that story? He was asked about it Yeah I don't know

I mean he'd have such a term for it Yeah all right so Before we get into the action Let's take a quick break. We can everybody, you know, calm down and get yourself a little snack, prepare for the first round of free agent quackatology. Because quackatology and free agency with the Eagles, it's never ordinary.

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I think you could call this the Bryce Huff region, the Hassan Rattick region. and the first matchup that we have is Khalil Mack against your boy Michael Hoyt now Khalil Mack of course everybody knows one of the best pass rushers of the past decade

will be 34 years old in September still playing at a high level although his numbers have dropped a little bit the past year he's not quite as productive and then Michael Hoyt from the Rams who you told us about

during the season Fran the very rare defensive of tackle to linebacker pipeline originally undrafted. Yep. Obviously, two different types of players. Do you think the Eagles are more likely to make a Mac splash or assign sort of a Band-Aid type player for the rotation and hope to backfill it in the draft?

You guys have a better sense than me in terms of, you know, like reading all the free agency rankings and projections. Like, oh, what is Cleo Mac looking for you feel like with this contract? My guess is he's ring chasing. Yeah, that would be my guess too, right? Yeah. And he's got a history with Vic. with Fingio from Chicago.

They played one year together. Right. So, you know, if you've got, you know, that motivation paired with that kind of contract, then I would see it as being palatable. I do think Hoyt could fit here in Philadelphia. I think that's a scheme fit. But to me, I think the dollars would have to make sense for Mac. Yeah, Hoyt's someone who, I know the Eagles respected him in that Rams game.

You know, you heard the Lane Johnson quote about the effect that he had on that run defense and he can play him in a lot of different spots. but I think given kind of the Eagles trajectory, how they would allocate playing time, my guess is Kaleel Mack makes a bit more sense. So I do think it's interesting because Miles Garrett is looming out there. Yes. If the Eagles are harboring hope that they can trade for Miles Garrett

at some point this offseason, I don't think they're going to sign Khalil Mack. Yeah, right? If they sign Kaleel Mack, they're kind of closing the deal. door on that. Yeah, I would agree. But you can't just operate without, you know, just hope and not filling that spot. So I think for this matchup, I would go Kalilamak as well, because, you know, Michael Hoyt could be any of these other guys. They're very similar level players. But I think it's possible that if they're really narrowed in on the Miles Garrett possibility, they're not

going to pay big big dollars to the edge yeah it's the kind of thing we're like these are the guys who we would be willing to pay and if we don't get those guys we're not going to worry about it we'll hope for miles garret and then maybe readdress it in august yeah the the garret thing looms there was there was a report that the that the browns might want to wait until after the draft which strikes me as an odd move because you wouldn't necessarily get the reinforcements for this year although the the pick would be better a year from now, in theory, at least, you know, unless the Eagles win the Super Bowl. But I think that Howie will probably have an idea next week

of whether it's realistic or unrealistic from their own cap management perspective, from like what it would take to get him. I think even if there's not a trade next week, I think the Eagles would know, yes, this is a possibility, no, it's not a possibility. And also from the agent's side. Yes, exactly. I think there's two things there with the Cleveland aspect of it. I think that one, from what I understand anyway, and tell me if I'm wrong,

I'm pretty sure from like contract standpoint, structure-wise, they like can't move him this year. Like it would be like it almost has to be. Yes. And like later on in the off-season so that it carries from the money standpoint to carry over. And the other one is that Cleveland might be motivated to acquire future assets anyway as opposed to this year if they want to put them a position to get a quarterback, a young quarterback.

So if they're not going to get Cam Ward or Sanders, then say like, okay, we want our assets to be in the future anyway. It's a good point. All right. It's a good hoit. Not my best. Not your best. So we move Khalil Mack on.

We agree? Sure. All right. Congratulations to Khalil Mack on moving to the second round of quacketology. Next up, a matchup of potential Eagles reunions. Hassan Reddick, after his lost season in New York, the worst numbers of his career, not just in terms of compiling, but also in terms of rates. Not a good fit.

Wasn't ready. that's okay, would he come back to Philadelphia? Or is it more likely that the Eagles bring back? It's always him. Derek Barnett, who had a good first season in Houston with the Texans and Domingo O'Reyans. Not quite as productive this year, but younger than Hassan Reddick,

both of them known commodities to the Eagles team. I thought you framed it well in the piece today about letting bygones be bygones, and they did that with CJ Garner Johnson. It definitely did not end well with Hassan Redick. Yeah. I think that he felt disrespected.

I think, I don't think the locker room was a very productive place a year ago. And I think Hassan Reddick might have been a part of that. I think some people in the Eagles building believe that he was a part of that.

Yes, yeah. That's a much better way for me to frame it. I think Hassan Redick is more of a pass rushing juice than Derek Barnett, but I can see Derek Barnett coming back sooner than I can see

Hassan Redick. Am I wrong with that? I don't feel strongly about this. This is one where If I'm Seth Davis, I'm turning to Charles Barkley here. And I'm saying, uh, Charles, I'm saying, Chuck, what do you think? I, I actually, I think I think I was terrible. That was bad.

Uh, oh for two. I don't know what that was. Uh, I think, uh, I think I could see a Hassan, I'm not saying that it's likely, but I could see a Hassan Redic reunion much of the way. Look, I mean, it didn't end great with CJ Gardner Johnson, uh, the previous year. And they were able to kind of mend that. Um, um, But I think probably both are not as likely. But I think that...

We have to pick one though. I think, yeah. I think Reddick, yeah, for the... No, I'm saying for the course or for the sake of this exercise, I think Redick is more likely than Barnett. Okay. I'm actually going to go with Zach on Barnett here only because I think I'm going to price in the Miles Garrett thing here.

I don't think that to them, Hassan Reddick is of the quality of, let's go get him and close the door on this other... thing that would be better, whereas I think Derek Barnett, they could sign for $2 million or something like that and like fight for a spot. What would you think if Arizona signed both Josh Swett and Hassan Redick? Good for them.

Would you like mock them? Do I mock them? Yeah. No, because they don't have to. No. I mean, they're playing you know, it means less snaps for Dennis Gardek. Yeah, I think that's possible. Well, I mean, I think Dennis Gardek needs as many snaps as possible. He says as productive of a pass rush as there is in the league. That's unbelievable.

We'll get to hit. A lot of pressures. No. A lot of hits. Next up. Chase Young was a free agent last off season. Sounded a one-year deal with the New Orleans Saints. Not super productive, but, you know, still is bringing pass-rest juice.

I think the Eagles might wonder whether he is the temperament they want on the field. He's going up against the aforementioned Joseph Osai, former third round pick, most famous for that late hit on Patrick Mahomes. but actually the rate stats for him as a pass rusher this season very good and sort of fits the Eagles M.O. of maybe a guy who they could bring in and hope that Jeremiah Washburn gets more player development out of. So I love Chase Young coming out of Ohio State. I got to say that.

Breaking news. He was awesome to watch on that Ohio State defense. I thought he was better than both bosses when he was coming out. And I thought he was good as a rookie in Washington toward the ACS. It's been touching go. He was fine last year with the Saints. I feel like the Eagles had their shot at Chase Young a year ago. Joseph Osai, even if these advanced numbers don't jump out,

he probably strikes me more as the type of player they would go after. I think that if they're going to, I think unless it's like a blue chip guy, then they're more likely to go with a rotational player than like your $10 to $15 million at dresher. I agree. I think it's more Osai from a scheme fit standpoint. I think that he fits Fangio scheme more. I think that he fits the profile more in terms of a guy going on his first

contract or second contract I think when you're looking at Young, if that were something where he lasted until after the draft then maybe you think about that. That would be a one-year flyer thing, but I don't think that that's race out first or second week of free. What about Chase Young is not a scheme fit? I think that

when you're looking at these edge for this scheme, ideally you want guys that have that ability to drop in coverage and, you know, and offer value that way or slide inside on pass downs and offer position versus still. I just think that Chase Young is a guy that you're just kind of lining up out wide and just let him be a crash end, you know, and just let him kind of re-cavick off the edge. Like in a Jim Schwartz scheme, like I think Chase Young would be perfect. And this one, I think it's a little bit more of a projection. Okay.

I agree with you guys. Joseph Osai gets to move on to the next round. Next up, a player we talked about, I don't know if it was, Yesterday, last week. Time doesn't mean anything right now. Deo Odeyingbo from the Indianapolis Colts. Odenbo. Odenbo? I think it's just Odenbo. Odenbo. I think it's a like a fast, like Odenbo. I'll take that. I think. Dio or Deo. Deo. Deo. Yeah. For content sake, we'll say dayo. From the Indianapolis Colts, we talked about in some sense, theoretically at least, the ideal fit for the Eagles because he gives them optionality.

He can play inside. He can play outside. Some of his best production has come from the inside as a pass rush run passing downs. He's going up against Daryl Taylor, the former Seahawks second round pick who went to the Bears this season and was not super productive there.

To me, this one feels like a kind of a blowout. Yes, this is your 15-2 matchup or 215 matchup. I'm Gongdeo here. First off, I weigh down players who've already hit the market with Eagles haven't shown interest in, which Taylor is. I think you were spot on last week when you identified Dale. Another player who I was real intrigued with him coming out of Vanderbilt. He had that injury.

It kind of set him back a bit in the draft process. But if you look at the versatility, you look at him being an ascending player. I think this is more of the profile that would go after than Gerald Taylor. I'm sorry to break this news. It was Dio Odenbo. Oh, I got worried something happened to him. Again, no, I can't do it, Zach.

I'm used to the pronunciation corrections. That's not, yeah, that's fine with me. I would agree. I think Odenbo, he was injured coming out of college, still went in the second round of the Colts, but I'm pretty sure he's played every game in the last couple years. I'm pretty ready. I think the injury has not been an issue for him.

So I think with that position flexibility, he would make more sense. in my mind. And I mean, listen, I don't know. The free agent class is generally so bad that players of his ilk will probably end up getting more than we expect. But I don't, I don't view him as,

like I think the Eagles could be the high bidder for him and still potentially have room for Miles Garrett down the road and snaps for both of them. I don't think that that's impossible. So I'm going on O'Dingbo as well. All right, next up, we have Malcolm Coontz, the Raiders Edd Rush. He missed the entire season

with an injury but was a breakout player in 2003. He had eight sacks as a third year player. He is going up against Matthew Judon, much different profile, an old head who the Eagles have had a chance

to acquire in the past, but was in Atlanta this year after his time with the Patriots. His numbers, his efficiency dropped this year. There's a chance that he has sort of falling off the cliff. I think Judon's more of a scheme fit, but I think Coons is more of the profile. The buy low candidate who you sign him to either a one-year deal or a deal that allows him to restructure after this year. I think that's an interesting profile for the Eagle, someone,

because you can sell it. If this guy wears healthy last year, if this guy were healthy last year, he would be near the top of the free agency class. Yeah, I think that Coontz is a player. there's plenty of upside there in terms of what he could be. If you get back to that form, obviously coming off the injury, it's going to be a question mark, didn't play for the Raiders at all this past year.

He kind of intrigues me just because you're talking about a young player with upside and room to grow. Yeah, I think this is another one where we'll see what the market says, but it is the profile that the Eagles would be intrigued by, a chance to buy an asset that is a little bit undervalued relative to what it maybe should be.

So I'll go with you guys on Mount Come Coots. Oh, here we go. You know, there's a matchup on, coming up on the defense, the next bracket where it's two of Zach's favorites pitted against each other. I thought it was only fair to do the same thing to me. Okay. Okay.

We've got the maniac himself, Dennis Gardek, one of the most per pass rush efficient pass rushers in the entire NFL, an absolute maniac. I mean, you're talking like behind just T.J. Watt and Trey Hendrickson and then Dennis Gardick. But he never gets enough playing time. And he's going up against the man that I fell for. Anthony Nelson from the Tampa Bay Bucks,

who had some very good rushes against Jordan Milana this year. Here's my selling point on Anthony Nelson. The only player in the NFL this year who rushed the passer at least 200 times, hit the quarterback on more than 5, 4.5% of those rushes. So, like, that's a pretty high bar. And also dropped into coverage on 20% of his dropback snaps. I'm sorry, not the only player.

The player joining Frankie Louvo, who's a totally different animal. And Andrew Van Ginkle, who's also a much different kind of player. Anthony Nelson is doing this at 6-7-271. Yeah. And when I watch him, like, he doesn't move like a man that big. he's powerful, but he's also nimble. I love the guy. I think he's a perfect fit.

Well said. Nelson, I think Nelson definitely is a scheme fit. And Gardek is a scheme fit too. I think both guys would make a lot of sense for the Vic Fangio scheme in terms of what their usage is. I'll be fascinated to see what Gardex market looks like.

The problem with Garth, he's been available. He keeps going back. And this is one we're at two Zach's point. I keep thinking, oh, the egos could have interest here and they never do. Yeah. But Nelson, Nelson's been around a bit too.

He was a free agent last. year and went back for one-year deal. Yeah, but I think schematically, he definitely makes sense. It's his birthday today. What a day? No wonder I feel so good today. It's his birthday today. I just wanted to check the age.

He's a little older for a player you would kind of target. I mean, 28. That's not old, but the Eagles tend to like the 25, 26, 27-year-old profile and free agency. Yeah, but I mean, we're talking about the guy who's probably going to get $2 million. Oh, you think that's all it's going to be? He was a third edge rusher for them. It was a backup, right? I mean, he played a lot, but I don't know, maybe $4 million.

I mean, look, between these two, I definitely like Anthony Nelson. I don't have the same Anthony Nelson crush that you do. If I had to choose between the two Tampa Edge Rushers, we'll get to the next one. I like Joe Tryon's profile a bit more in free agency. But look, I between these two, definitely like Anthony Nelson, like the frame better. like the production. Is it plays with some ferocity that fits with the Eagles?

I don't know. Go ahead. Is it Nelson Anthony Anthony Nelson? I believe it's Anthony Nelson. But not until his introductory press conference with the Eagles, can we confirm that? Right. All right, congratulations to Anthony Nelson. Two more matchups with the free agency edge rushers.

We've got Marcus Davenport, the former first round pick of the Saints who has had injury issues the past two years. Sort of fits the profile of like a rebuild guy for the Eagles with the draft pedigree. We know they've got that first round fetish. Don't imagine he's going to get much money since he hasn't played much the last two years.

And then he's going up against the guy we just talked about. Joe Tryon Shoyinka, the edge rusher for the Bucks, played in coverage a lot for the Bucks. Is comfortable doing that. His past rush numbers were a little bit disappointing this year, still very athletic. I actually really loved him coming out.

I still like him. Yeah, I think that Tryon Shoyenka is the better scheme fit there. I think that Davenport falls into that Chase Young camp of like, you know, he's got the athleticism move in reverse, but I think that you ideally just want him lining up out wide, go get the quarterback. You know, you've got the size to be able to play the run as well. But I think that Shoyenka, he fits more the mold of what they're looking for. I'm with you there. You know, Davenport's been on the market the past two years. He's someone who I was intrigued with when the first time he hit the market, right? Joe Tryon jumped. He strikes me.

as much more of the type of player the Eagles would target based on the profile based on the scheme fit. I don't know. I would have to look if he was a 30 visit for the Eagles, but I do remember that draft Bo really liking him, and I certainly liked him when he was at Washington. All right, congratulations to Joe Tryon Choyank.

Last matchup for the Edge guys. We've talked about him. Zizzo Jolari from the Giants. From your Twitter account. From my Twitter account. His parents met in Philly. Right. That's right. I forgot about that. He also played at Georgia with all these guys.

And had a great rookie season. Yeah. A little bit injury riddled over the middle part of his career. And then as the third ed rusher for the Giants last year, was still semi-productive, brings some pass-roach juice, brings the draft pedigree, only 25 years old, so still very young.

And he's going up against Josh Uche, another player who has been available. Eagles have not chosen to go after him. He went to, Kansas City this year from the Patriots midseason didn't do anything there and has really sort of fallen off after that breakout 2023 season. I really like Aziz here. I like Aziz Osiralei. I liked him coming out of Georgia, but I especially liked him his rookie year with the Giants. And even last year, I remember going into that October 20th game. He was showing some

pass rush juice. And then he finished the season on IR. I asked you the question the other day, was Bryce Huff's profile that much better than Aziz O'Jolari? Because when I look at projections of what Aziz O'Jalari is going to make, I see like two years, 15 million. To me, he's a $10 million plus player. Like, he's, I really like to profile Josh Uchi. I liked him last year in this game, but he did not have much of a market a year ago, did nothing last year to increase that market.

I think Aziz is a player to watch here. I don't think the Eagles are going to be big players, but I can see it if, as I wrote in my piece yesterday, if they don't keep bond, this is a guy to spend money on. To me, Aziz would be the line of demarcation on like, rush or you sign to rule yourself out of Miles Garrett, right? Like anyone that's below that line, you're probably, you know, I think that's right.

That's well said. And I think that he is, I mean, my guess is that there'll be a decent market for him. I do think that he's got the ability to be a good player when healthy. When I look at Uche, there's some Van Ginkle type of usage there theoretically. I could see like dreaming on what he could be in the defense. Obviously, like Zach said, and they had a shot at him a year ago and they didn't go there. But, you know, obviously they put money into Bryce Huff. And, you know, I think when you're looking at Uche, I think his scheme fit might be a little bit more translatable.

And the money would be a lot more palatable. So you're going to Oce. I'm going to go, Uche. Interesting. Wow. Break the tie here. Aziz. He's appearing, by the way.

On the show? No. Aziz Ansari? Yeah. He's in Philly, I think, March 22nd. So I want to go. Thank you, Julia. Good job.

No, I'm going to spend my birthday with the kids. But, yeah, I was tempted to because I do like Aziz and sorry. You should treat yourself. I see what you did there. Parks the wreck. Well done. Yeah. You have a way of ruining every reference like that.

That's complimenting. It's not ruining. That's, that's, you see, leaning into it. I got to tell you, when you sell someone's reference, it's not ruining it. It's selling it.

That's not selling it. A hundred percent selling it. It's saying great job on the reference. Well done. I mean, It is not. Were you a Parks and Rec fan? Yeah.

Ron Swanson? You're like private? Yes, he's also on the show. No, I'm saying, were you a Ron Swanson guy? Yeah, I like the show. Okay. I don't know, what I'm going to say? Well, I mean, were you a lesson?

Nope. Were you Ron Swanson? Who was your, who was your Parkson? I wasn't any of them. I didn't see myself in any of them. I enjoy the show. I like the ensemble. Gotcha.

Okay. I enjoy. I enjoy. the show very much. Yes, me too. Community as well. I think we accidentally said community. Community is a great show. The office. We're just naming shows now. They're naming all the set of the, the office. Love the Office. Love Parks and Rec. Didn't really get it in the community. Community is very good. I enjoy community. How about the good place? Are you in all of the sure verse? No, I didn't want to see the good place. Is that a good show? Netflix. Netflix?

That's the only thing you watch? Yeah. No, no. Is it on Netflix? I was on Netflix? I remember if that was one of the ones that moved to prime. Okay. Okay. Yeah, that's what I meant. I haven't seen the show. Ted Danson? Yeah. Okay.

Oh, it's on an app. Okay, there you go. Okay. Yeah, it's good. I liked Ted Dantzoning and Kirby Enthusiasm. You probably stop after season one. Okay. After that, it could see it.

Did you not like Ted Denson? This is a wild conversation. Did you not like Ted Dancing and Kirby, enthusiasm? Yeah. I wouldn't, I wouldn't, it wouldn't be the first thing. I think of on his resume. I didn't watch Cheers, Bo. When I think of Ted Denson, I know he was in Cheers.

When I think of Ted Denson, I think curb your enthusiasm. That's the show I watched. That's what you think of, when you think of Ted Dances? Well, that's the show I watched with him in it. What shows did you watch? Did you watch Cheers? Yeah. I didn't watch Cheers.

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the rest of the people on defense in free agency. Now one of these is a guy who was projected to be cut or has already been announced as going to be cut by his team. And that is J. Von Hargrave, the former Eagle potentially a cautionary tale about spending big, big money for a player that late in his career. Jayvon Hargrave going up against Puna Ford, one of the best pass rushing inside defensive linemen

in the NFL over the past couple years. But to Zach's point, a player who has been available in the past and the Eagles have not really shown a ton of interest. J. Von Hargrave Reunion or Puna Ford this time I'm going to start with you, Fran. I think Hargraves more likely released so it doesn't count against compics. You get the reunion there. Obviously, the coaching staff has changed over, but Jeremiah Washburn still in the building knows J. Von Well, the front office knows Javan well.

I want to go Hargrave. Yeah, this is a clear hardgrave for me. Also, I like that he can now Puna Ford, similar, but Javon Hargrave can play no. nose tackle if you need them to and play multiple spots on the line it was not a bad exit like it was an amicable exit the eagles really liked him he earned more money i thought bo put it well he's kind of a cautionary tale for paying 20 million dollars to someone in their 30s but i still think he can play and uh there's no bo jangles in philly but he would much to my chagrin love bojangles there's there's food here he would enjoy great fries at bo jangels the great seasoning on the

We could do a quacketology on this discussion as well. Maybe in the summer. Yeah, put together your, you put together your ideal fast food meal, no more than one item per place. Oh, yes, this is great. We can't do this in the middle of quacketology. I mean, we could,

as if I'm not walking around with that on my brain. With the Bojangles reference to the new, listeners, as I was driving around his hometown, Jayvon Harger's hometown. I was driving with his father. and he points to the bow jangles right at the corner of where he went to high school and his son you know and javon loved going to bojangles but when they would lose games he would not get bo jangles and they went winless

during his first year playing high school football and like the toughest part of it for jayvon was that he couldn't eat his bow jangles and so now when he wins his you know tim bates his father figure in his life, his father says, let's eat, because it's a reference to Bojangles. Now, he only played three games last season, fighting through an injury. Supposedly, we'll be ready for the season. Yeah, I wouldn't rule out a reunion there. I don't think it's impossible. And I would put him over Punifort.

Yeah. Plus, not counting against the comp, all that stuff, I'd say makes it more likely. All right, Zach, this is the one to tear apart your heartstrings here. Yes. You're going to have to pick your favorite child. Jeremy Chin? you boy or Barron Browning

who was one of your targeted players in your 25 step off season guide Yeah I'm going Baron Browning here I like Jeremy Chin I like Jeremy Chin I know how he really like Jeremy Chin coming out of college I don't know if reporting was that if they hadn't picked Jalen Hertz that Jeremy Chin would have been the pick

Yeah Chin or Dobbins were two guys they were looking at Look they had a chance for Jeremy Chin last year He didn't get paid that much I think that he really fits well in that Dan Quinn defense, which uses the hybrid safety linebacker type well that did that with Keanu Neal. I don't need to go down that rabbit hole here. That's my question. Jeremy Chin is basically the same size as Zach Bonn.

Can he play a linebacker? Well, I think he can, but that's not, yeah. Barron Browning, I said this at the trade deadline. I feel even stronger about this. Baron Browning really jumps out to me as a player of the Eagles would target. But Bo pointed out correctly that its edge rushing snaps are underwhelming. Yeah. Vic Fangio did not evaluate him as an edge rusher.

Vic Fangio evaluated him as a middle linebacker. They took him as a mic. He started as a rookie for Vic Fangio at middle linebacker. Vic Fangio gets fired. The new coaching staff comes in and moves him to the edge. Yes. Where he has been ever since. Yes.

This is like a Zach Bond type profile where we've already seen the proof of concept here. that Vic Fangio thinks the athletic traits, and his athletic traits, at least combine-wise, are better than Zach Bonds. Like, he's bigger, he's faster, he's more explosive. And he started as a rookie. There's a history there. Actually, his older brother, Baron Browning's older brother,

Vic Fangio coached him at Stanford. Vic Fangio used to have these morning meetings with Baron Browning when he was with the Broncos. Baron Browning stock went down this year as far as I'm concerned. He struggled with, you know, the Cardinals straight from him. He struggled there. I think that the Eagles, if they sign him in the role that they envision Zach Bonn being, which is this hybrid player can play inside, can rush from the edge, can presumably help on special teams.

That makes a lot of sense for me. No notes. The only thing would be, and I'm not saying that this would be, when you have a, people think that oh well so-and-so coached this player so that's an automatic all that means that you have more intel than everybody else you've been around the player every single day you know what he's like so if there's a chance that Vic Fangier's like yeah like I'm okay right but based off everything you said like it seems like that relationship is really good and so I do I agree that would be a very realistic target yeah that is like like for instance Rayquan davis is a player

who who I don't know if if him and if like Vic maximize Rayquan Davis I think if you're Baron Browning and you're starting as a rookie for Vic Fanjo, that's a good sign. It says something. Right. Well, now he was drafted to do that, right? That was part of the process. Browning was available for trade during the season. Eagles were not the high better there.

He went to Arizona. I would view Browning as if Zach Bonn leaves a potential solution. Not like he wouldn't be the only guy they bring in, but he would be him and maybe somebody else and they let a couple guys battle it out. I agree with you that I would go Browning over Chin. Are you going into this offseason thinking that, all right, Nicoby Dean, if he's not back, Jeremiah Trader Jr. can be the starter? Or do you think they need to have two starting linebacker signed,

one being, you know, if they signed bond, do you think there needs to be another starting linebacker signed? Someone, I think so. Like someone that you can, like, I mean, I think it could just be Orrin Berks. Yeah, right. Someone that you feel like we can give the keys to for four games. Yeah, I think it's games. I think that's right.

Yeah. And obviously their internal evaluation of Jeremiah Charter Jr. will play a major role there. Yeah. Okay. Next up, speaking of Jeremiah Charter Jr., we have another son of an ex-Eagle, Asante Samuel Jr., going up against Kaiser White,

another potential reunion. Now, let's talk about Corner a little bit. We talked about it yesterday with the release of Darius Slay. You've got Quinyan Mitchell, you've got Kili Ringo, you've got Cooper DeGene. You've got young guys in the hopper. how much do you need somebody else of starting caliber in the building? And it could be Isaiah Rogers.

Yeah. But are you willing to spend $8 million on a one-year deal for a player like Asante Samuel Jr. Or several other, there's actually a pretty deep group of corners who could be available for a one-year deal like a Charverius Ward type. Do you still want someone like that? Or do you want to let the young guys play and then maybe find somebody in the summer if you need to? I think the latter. Now, if Isaiah Rogers signs elsewhere, I don't think you just hand that job over to Keile Ringo. There should be a veteran competing with Keely Ringo. But if you're signing someone for $8 million, you're signing someone over Keely Ringo.

This to me is comparable last year to the Tyler Steed situation. I mean, not apples for apples. But I think that you go in giving Keely Ringo a chance to win the job, but you sign someone else to come. compete with him. I think Isaiah Rogers is just a sensible option, maybe because the devil I know is better than the devil I don't. But Asante Samuel, Jr., if he's an $8 million player, that might strike me as a little high.

If he's a $5 million player, I think that's more in the ballpark. Yeah, I'd probably lean Asante Samuel Jr. here as well. You know, obviously there's some familiarity in the building with Kizier White. You got to keep in mind, like, Nick Rallis literally named his son after Kaiser. Yes. They love him

in that building, and if they're letting him go, I think that that probably speaks to where his legs are at at this point. Did you like Asante Samuel Jr. as a player? I did. Yeah, I thought he was probably gassed up a little bit. But I think that in terms of like playing off coverage, and that's the thing is that he is primarily like an off coverage player. And so if you want the Eagles to,

and if the Eagles want to play more aggressive with the line of scrimmage like they did, you know, in the second half of the year last year, I don't know if he's necessarily that guy. Is the lack of size bother you as an evaluator? It doesn't need down because I have like smaller corners. He's just a, he's a like, I'm going to sit and read everything and jump routes from death as opposed to get up and, you know, challenge or see your street. He's the line. He's typically you see 510, 190. Is that what it is?

And you're thinking, all right, maybe he can play inside. He's been an outside guy. Yeah, for the Chargers. Yes. Yeah. Let's go. Let's go with Sanchez Samuel Jr. here. Okay.

Next up, a matchup of defensive tackles. You've got Levi on Wuzerike, who a good story of defensive tackle development over the course of his career. had a very good year with the Lions in 2024, 6-3-290, big fella, but probably looking at a bigger deal than the player going up against him. And that's Jaron Reed, who is a wily veteran at 32 years old,

but an extremely productive pass rusher still actually hit the quarterback at about the exact same rate as Milton Williams with even a higher volume of snaps this year, a player who I think could fit potentially. If he was released, I think he'd be like a slam dunk here, but he is going to cost some money and count against the convict formula. Yeah, Levi, the profile there, I like better. I don't know what that contract's going to be.

I agree he's the type of player who would command more. You know, there's like a little Milton Williams-esque to this and that he was someone that the lines drafted high, that he's been productive, but there's just better players ahead of him. Injuries have been a big thing. Yeah, yeah. I remember he had that mean streak coming out of Washington that they really liked. Again, I'm probably anchoring to what I thought of the guy coming out of college,

but I liked him coming out of college. And I tend to go with the younger in the prime player for the type of player the Eagles would sign. I could be wrong. Thanks for watching on Fast, by the way, and make sure that you check out the rest of this episode, all 48 minutes of it on all p.hly.com. Go ahead, Fran. In a vacuum. Give me on Zareke every time.

Well, we're not talking about it. Yeah. Who's a better player? Exactly right. In a vacuum, give me on Zareke. I think all factors being considered, Jaron Reed, his history with Clint Hurt, you know, the potential, I think that

and honestly with what the need would be, I think that Jaron Reed is a guy that could spell Jordan Davis. Right. I think that he, to me, I think it probably makes a little bit more sense. I think it would be surprising, given the likely extension coming for Jalen Carter

next off season. Yeah. Whatever decision they have to make on Jordan Davis, not paying Milton Williams, presumably, if they then went out and paid a young, defensive tackling gave him a lot of money. I think that would be pretty surprising. Especially in this detour in the draft. Yes.

You got the ability to add a disruptive player in there that, you know, can add to that group. Okay. Next up, a matchup of corners. Got DJ Reed from the Jets, a player who, if you're looking for somebody who's comfortable being the heavily targeted number two corner opposite a lockdown corner on the other side, DJ Reed has plenty of experience doing that opposite Sauce Gardner. And he's going up against our friend. Benjamin Saint-Justa from the Washington commanders from Montreal

a player who I think the Eagles actually kind of like internally, Zach. Ooh. Is that a little, yeah. A little scintajuster. Yeah, DJ Rids can get paid this offseason.

He's going to be the top-paid corner. So I'm taking him out and almost by default and going to St. Juist, but I like me of Benjamin St. Juist. Do you? I think he's actually like the,

the perfect level of player that they could be interested in. Yeah. It's like it's sort of like the Isaiah Rogers level, but a player who has some starting experience, but is not going to have offers to start everywhere he goes.

Yes. Could come here and compete with Keely Ringo, sort of like the perfect bar to set for hoping that Keely Ringo wins the job over him in the summer. Yeah, Chip would have loved him. Tall, long arms. I'm out.

Um, Do we think DJ Reed's going to get that much money? Yes. He's going to be the highest paid corner. You're short? He's going to be 29 this fall. Yeah. Traverius Ward is there as well, also older.

There's actually several corners. Yeah, I, yeah. Based on what I'm hearing. Okay. Okay. Jeez. Got this went to the combine. The only thing he was asking about was how much money is DJ Reed going to get?

It's not the only thing, but no, look, you. you talk shop okay i think that byron murphy carlton davis i think saint juist is really good in man coverage uh press man i really like him in that kind of role um when they have played more zone he has struggled uh so i don't think he's a great scheme fit okay um but i like the talent i like the age uh i think you're you're still like to me like i said this for a while that he was their best corner you know I mean, he had a really bad year this year. My guess is that market's not going to be plentiful for him. So you could get a bargain there, but again, I don't love the fit there.

But you're still going with him. I think I'm going to read it. Yeah, because I don't think that they're going to pay that money. Okay. Congratulations. DeGarlemant Saint-Justin. We'll see you in the next round. Next up, another corner.

And this is one of those distressed assets. Is this worth the long-term investment? Paulson Adibo from the Saints who a couple years ago thought of as one of the best young corners in football. Broke his femur this year. That's a nas. I mean, that's nasty. And he's going up against Tarshon Warden,

the defensive tackle from the Kansas City Chiefs, a player who resigned with the Chiefs last year on a one-year deal and then had a great season, totally skyrocketed his value. Probably going to get paid a handsome amount. Are the Eagles going to pay that much for a defensive tackle as we've already talked about? Or would they make a bit of a dice roll on Paul?

Paulson Adibo. So that's an interesting framing because when I prep for the show, I thought Adibo was going to get more of these two. I thought Adibo is going to be, he's very, he's well regarded as a corner. I know coming off that injury, take that into consideration, but has a really good film from his first three years in the league. He's younger. He's younger than Reed. Like, I think he would get more money than DJ Reed personally. Really?

Yeah, the wrong read. I'm just, I thought the femur is like, has people worried. I feel like that's like a clean, uh, breaking up. bone? Oh yeah, that's nothing. I've always heard bones are... What have you heard about bones?

Zach? I've heard, I've heard bones... Give a duck a bone. I've heard bones are less of a concern than ligaments. Okay. Like, if a player breaks a bone, that's a different calculation than if a player tears a ligament.

A joint is different than a bone. Thank you for the anatomy lesson. I'm just passing on what I'm just passing on what I'm. hear. That's all. So of these two, I actually thought when I prepared for this, Wharton was going to cost less money. So I went Wharton. But if Adibo is less money, then give me a Debo any day of the week. Yeah, I agree. Well, I mean, you, but I could be wrong. I mean, Adibo could be the one getting more money.

You're going to Debo? No, I would go. So I think Wharton is more likely. Yeah. I think Wharton is more likely for the... We haven't had a lot of disagreements so far. I think Wharton is more likely for the Eagles. I think that Adibo probably gets more money. And you're going for Adibo? Well, I think Wharton's more likely for the Eagles because I actually don't do that.

Then my vote doesn't matter. It's George R. Ward to go to the next round. But if your femur education is such that this is going to depress the market, then we would. I think it's definitely going to depress the market a little bit. Okay. Okay. It sounded like he broke his finger. I recognize that.

Great comment from Polar Jam. Of course, Bo is anti-Warton. I mean, I already made the joke in the write-up. So, thanks for it. Pro Stanford. Huh? Pro Stanford? Paulson and Debo went to Stanford.

Complete no cell. Really good story at the Washington Post over the weekend on Andrew Luck is the GM. Jesse Dockerdie wrote it. It's a really native. But lightning piece about Andrew Luck. What was the highlight? What did you enjoy most of it? How, so he's someone who is like maniacal about his his scheduling, right?

He need to go to bed at 9.52 every night. Oh my gosh, this is so up your alley. And then, like, you must have gotten the excited wiggle when you saw that sentence. There's nothing you love more than a story about somebody's well-manicured schedule to maximize efficiency. Because I'm going to sleep before 10 o'clock. Well, so no, because he knew how many hours he needed to get. He knew when he needed to get to the facility the next morning. So he could be in mid-conversation, and at 9.52 at night, he would relieve himself to go to sleep.

But at, what did I do wrong now? I think we both enjoy the mental image of him relieving himself before going to sleep in the middle of a conversation. Sorry, you guys. What I meant is he needs to... He needs to say goodbye. He stops the conversation

and goes to sleep. Anyways, at Stanford, he's kind of adjusted. He's been more flexible with his schedule. I make no apologies. It's 9.52. I got to do what I got to do. It is a...

It's on the schedule. Anyways, it was a good story. I highly recommend it. That's all. I mean, to be well read is important, right? I have a list of stories I try to get to every Sunday. That was one of them. That's good.

Next up, a pair of guys who are going to get a lot of money, I think, and probably will be outside of the Eagles' price range, but crazier things have happened. Raiders safety, Trevin Merig, who was in conversation to be there, draft pick in the second round when they took Lennon Dickerson or Nick Bolton. Yeah. A Fran favorite coming out of the draft has been a star in the middle of the Chief's defense.

If the Eagles aren't able to sign Zach Bond, would they then pivot and sign another really good linebacker and Nick Bolton? What is more likely? I think we probably agree that neither of these is likely to happen, but which of these is more likely to happen? Zach Bond leaves you go and you throw money at Nick Bolton. That's the scenario in my mind. In Fran, I trust.

Because I don't think, like, spending the money that would be required on Merig, I don't think that there's the opening there, but I think with Bolton, that would be the scenario. Yeah, I don't know why they're paying for a safety. Yeah. So I think they're more apt to pay for a linebacker. It's more just the money we earmarked for Bonn is available.

This is a good, young player, an important position. We'll figure it out. He can play with CJ Gardner Johnson, but. Great stat from your piece today. on departing from the Super Bowl champion to the Super Bowl final match to the Super Bowl champion. Yes, that hasn't happened.

Read the story on all p.shelwai.com, become a diehard. It's funny that that's the stat that you like the best, but I'll take it. It's not the stat I like the best. It's a stat from your story that I'm bringing up on this show. You didn't say it was the best stuff. You said good stuff.

Okay. Last matchup of the first round here. Malik Harrison, the linebacker from the Ravens, versatile, can do a little inside, little outside, has been a jack of all trades for them over the past couple years. Expired his rookie contract last year, re-signed on a one-year deal,

had a good season, and he's going up against the playing game. The very exciting playing game here between two corners. Christian Fulton, who had a pretty good rebound year for the Chargers, and Eric Stokes. Got a Georgia connection.

Corner for the Packers. Underwhelming career, Packers fans, not really big fans of Eric. Stokes, but could he be a player you're bringing to compete? I'm going to Malik Harrison here. I think there's a little Baron Browning, Ohio State. Shout out there. Zach Bond profile in the inside outside of versatility.

I was surprised that he didn't generate more of a market last year, signed that one year, $2.7 million deal. I think that this would be, I think that profile player is something that the Eagles will continue to target, the hybrid player. I agree. I think that when you look at his ability to kind of play both spots, he did it in Baltimore. I think that he would continue that here in Philadelphia. All right. Congratulations to Malik Harrison. So that means that these are the matchups that we will be discussed. So tomorrow we're going to do first round free agent offense, first round trade and cut. And then on Thursday show, we're going to do all of the rest of it together. And included in that episode will be these matchups. Khalil Mack against Derek Barnett, Joseph Osai against Deo Odingbo.

Dio Odingbo. Dio Odingbo. Malcolm Coonts against the beautiful Anthony Nelson. And then Joe Tryon Shoyenka against Aziz O'Jolari. We've also got Javon Hargrave against Baron Browning, Asante Samuel Jr. against Jaron Reed. Benjamin Santajusta against Tershon Wharton and Nick Bolton against Malik Harrison.

Very exciting stuff. You can see the full bracket on the episode on YouTube or on our social feeds. I just want to address, I see Colin saying getting Bonn was a fluke, though. That's exactly my point,

is I don't think, I think the profile that the Eagles were signing Bond for last year is a profile they would look for this year. You're not signing these guys expecting them to be defensive player of the year candidates.

You're saying, all right, this is a rotational player who can help you in multiple spots. You like the athletic profile. That was the vision last, that's why they prioritized Zach Bondi won last year. It wasn't to be defensive player at the year. It was to fit this role. Yep.

Well set. Super chat from our man, CDP, who says, does we can't be great without the greatness of others apply to foreign policy? Should the United States continue alienating allies in order to be more isolated? I don't think you should ever alienate anybody. particularly your allies but you probably shouldn't alienate your enemies either to be honest with you.

I think you should be friendly I think you should be diplomatic and friendly to everybody so yeah I think I would not alienate allies for sure and I do not believe in an isolationist approach. Fran Pecanus Migrate steak fries, curly fries, waffle fries. It might be, okay, so migrate steak fries

yes, a hundred percent. That's extremely easy. Too potatoly. Yeah. Stake fries, get out of here. Yeah. The variance. I'm alienating you.

You are not welcome on this show. I think that there's more variance with the curly. I think you're more likely to get a bad curly fry than a bad waffle fry is what my guess is. I think they're close. They are very, very close. Yeah, the thing is I love a waffle, a curly fry. Yeah. But the appeal of the curly fry is that it's a change.

up from the regular fry. Right. Right. It's a slightly different flavor and certainly different form factor. If you're getting that every time, there's less of an excitement. Sure. That you're having a curly fry. I think the curly fry is the perfect peck.

And yes, the waffle fry is not the perfect fry. Yep. But if I'm getting a waffle fry every time, most of the time I'll be okay. I think that would be it for me. I agree. Yeah, big waffle fry guy. My kids love the waffle fries. So definitely waffle fries.

What's your favorite kind of fry? I like crab fries. I don't know if that counts. Belgium fries. I'm looking at this now. Belgium fries. What? Types of fries.

Yeah. Always researching. Good for you. Yeah, Belgian fries. I really like those Belgian fries. It's described here as irregularly sliced, double-fried potato. served in a cone with mayonnaise and other condiments. Yeah, that's actually one of my favorite.

I didn't know that that's how you... I didn't realize that's the name for it. I was trying to figure out what it is. There was a... Yeah, there was a really good bar I used to go to in college that... I didn't know these were called Belgian fries, but I really like this type of fries.

Who's your favorite Belgian? My favorite Belgian. I'm trying to think here. I don't know. That's... soccer team was a fun team to watch. Oh yeah, you were really big on that Belgian side. Yeah, yeah, I really like the team.

Marwan Falani probably. No, I liked, um. Edna Hazard. Was it Lakoku or, uh, I don't know. Oh, Lukaku. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Lukaku. You looked at me funny. Uh, Lukaku would be up there.

I'm trying to think there is. So the Belgian fry. The Belgian fry. The Belgian fry. I love sweet potato fries. Mmm. Mid. Mid.

Mid. Okay. Okay. And so, yeah, shoe string fries, I think, are a little overrated. I like a shoestring fry. I don't mind any crinkle cut fry. I mean, like a classic McDonald's fry, that form factor. The standard skinny fry, as long as it's well done, is the best fry. Although I like a waffle fry. Okay.

Dipping sauce. You know, you can only pick one. Yeah, you can only pick one. Only pick one? For fry, yeah. The thing about a good fry is you don't need a dipping sauce. Oh, okay. But I think if I had to pick one, I think I probably would pick ketchup. Hmm.

Okay. I don't, I don't think you need to go. I don't think you need to. I don't think you need to, I don't need much dip for a good fry. So look, it really depends on the fry. I love, I love the cheese sauce with the crab fries, right? So give me that. But it's got about a shelf life of like 45 seconds.

Yeah. If we're talking about the Belgian fries, I like the Thousand Island type dipping sauce there. So I'll probably go with that. What's your, what's your answer? I think if I'm just going standard, I like doing, go back and forth between like a barbecue sauce. I like doing like a ranch. I like an I like ketchup for five-year-olds, but barbecue sauce is not. Barbecue sauce is like the pound of a three-year-old.

No, I disagree. I thought you were going to go for some like aoli. or something. Yeah, I mean, I don't mind the, I don't mind the, you know, the Dutch mayo, like you just dip the frying in the mayo. I'm not against that. Yeah. Good fries, they don't need, they don't need it. But you're not a sweet potato fry person. Give me like two sweet potato fries. I'm good. We make homemade sweet potato fries. They're very good. Yeah. Loaded up with paprika, a little garlic. You do that? I get the way you say pepperika. Am I saying it correctly?

you add a syllable in there say it paprika paprika okay and I say paprika okay all right sorry how you make it got pepper the pig on my mind I guess how do you do yeah what do you do for the fries slice them yeah season them air fry them uh okay you sprinkle a little uh baking soda bacon powder on them to get them extra crispy or the air friar takes care of that okay put a little oil on it though does all the work yes yeah that's right Okay. Any final thoughts on Sequin? Should we talk about Sequin again?

I feel like... Yeah, we probably skipped over to be thinking about it too. What do you think was the impetus for this? Like, do you think they went to him on it? Do you think he came to them on it? Because I do know in the past, for instance, Nick Foles a few years ago, I think they went to Foles. And they're like, we're going to reward you for winning the Super Bowl.

It could be being proactive, recognizing it, recognizing that this could be, an issue. The other part I'm curious your opinion on too is how do you, you know, Bo brought this up right away. How do you think this goes over? Because Howie always talks about precedent. Yeah. My guess is I think it's, I think you're right that it's, I don't think there's ever something where it's just from the goodness of their, I think. We are rewarding you for this, but I'm expecting that there's some part of it that is mutually beneficial that allows them to open up some space. I wonder too, you know, if you look at,

I'm trying to think of where these running backs are at. So Christian McCaffrey was the previous high. He was at 19 million. Yeah. Bejohn Robinson will be due soon. Oh, that's interesting. Jamir Gibbs should be soon, right? My guess is those guys might try and make the argument to be above that.

Are you trying to get ahead of that? So I was thinking that, but what I keep going back to is, are they expecting Seekwon to be here for four years? I know. I don't know. I'm talking that out. I haven't put anything. No, no, but you're absolutely right. It's like you're, you want to keep Seekoine happy, but there is a chance to steal backfires. Like, there is a chance, you know, you look what happened to Christian McCaffrey this past year. One year. Yep. There's a chance that like Sequin is not the same next year and that this is, I don't want to compare it to Alshan,

but that it's almost like a sentimental signing. I mean, Seacuan, the year was so, historic. The player is like too good to be true from everything you hear behind the scenes that I get why they do it. But you are chasing history in terms of probably 30 years old on this deal presumably. Yeah. I'm not really against them doing this. It's just I think there is a chance that this will look like a mistake looking back in a couple years. I'm curious. That's okay. This was because, you know, I confirmed it on social media and it was framed to me as a two-year extension. Does that mean that two years were added

to the original deal? So now he's essentially on a five-year contract, right? Because he signed a three-year deal. Right. So then, because then the void years get pushed back even more. Right. Because now you're, if that's the case,

then you are ensuring that he's on the team for at least two years, maybe beyond that. So they, in other words, they're not redoing the original, they're adding two years onto the deal. And I guess you're also, you're also getting ahead of, having to worry about contract conversations

to the middle of the season, right? I think there's, you know, for all the reasons we saw on the mic'd up and the way that they talk about him and Nick saying he's like the best teammate he's ever coached, like they want him here long term. They want this to be his place. I think this is part of that.

So I was actually thinking about this earlier because I was, for some reason, I was watching some mic'd up stuff earlier today. And I'm glad you brought up mic'd up. Like all the stuff, you hear about him in terms, it's not for sure, like behind the scenes, he's like that. You know, the mic'd up is organic in-game material. You talked about how he was on the sideline for the Super Bowl.

He was on, he was that way for that first Giants game, like the same type of stuff he was saying. He was saying on October 20th against the Giants. So it is, he's been, and I've heard this from different people, like, too good to be true. I use the example. I've used it off air. I'll say it on air. I've, I've no problem saying it.

I sat down with him for an hour before the season. And it was awesome. And I'm like, oh, this is great. I'm in with Sequin, right? He's, you know, we're good. And then I realized he just treats everybody like that. Like, I wasn't any more in with him than any person who would have interviewed him that day. He, like, he has this charisma that when you're speaking to him, like, you feel like you're connecting.

And I know he's like that in the locker room. He's like that with people throughout the organization. So when I say, too good to be true, that's what I'm. hear from people that like the authenticity uh is very real super chat from sean who says did bow know that jeff stoutlin named a drill that the o line does every day at practice and before games after coyote awashika yes of course i knew that but thank you sean yeah the coyote drill you just see this clip yes working on the d-line stunt pass-offs uh basically were one guy's loops to the

happens every game. Yep. For every game, doesn't practice. Yeah. All right. Last thing we need to talk about, Zach,

H. H. The clip on Todd McShay's show of Howie Roseman describing the two different Super Bowls and he said something

to the effect of the first Super Bowl is like the first time you have sex. You have no idea what you're doing and you just can't enjoy it.

The second time you're able to able to actually sit back and enjoy it because you know what you're doing. What did you make of that? I got to say, I spoke to Howie the day before that, and I asked him the same exact question, okay, like the same exact question. And his answer to me was not nearly as cool. He said the first time there was a sense of joy, but also relief that we had it done for the first time. Okay. I think he gave you the same answer. You just didn't read between the lines. You just read the The Andrew Luck piece

and you didn't think the relief yourself either. I think this time it was easier to let go a little bit and understand how unique, how unique and special was and kind of have fun with it. So perhaps you must talk on the same thing. Yes. My mind just didn't go there.

So I guess with Todd McShay, he was thinking about, he was thinking the same thing. But with me, he doesn't spell it out with Todd McShay. He does. In any event, I mean, look,

I've written a lot about Howley. I've read a lot about Howley. I've interviewed out. I've gone to probably like over a dozen Howley-Roy's been speeches before. I have never heard him describe this period of his life. But so I will take his word for it. I mean, I don't know. But yeah, I don't have much more to add.

What you? What would you like to add to this? Is that an accurate description? would you say? I mean, I found the first time pretty enjoyable, but... Okay. Yeah, I thought this was a good sign of Howie. I'd like to see Howie talk about sex in every press conference.

You can ask them. When you talk about talent in your body? Tools in your body. So there was actually, if I can make... Well, can I make it serious here? Or there was something else that came up in that? press conference too that I was curious sure for fran's thoughts over here uh he also talked about because he was he was he was saying how like the secret that they have is like higher

you know talented people who are fun to be around and like that's it that's it and then he would he was asked like does it work that way with the valuation and he said he said yeah he said um he said there are certain he said you understand certain guys like rough around the edges not everyone's perfect but there's certain non-starters that he had And I've heard this behind the scenes, but he said this publicly. He said that any abuse against women is a complete non-starter for them. He said even if it was like 10 years ago and it's like this guy's changed, he says they don't, but that's, he says he doesn't want to hear the rest of the scouting report. And I bring this up because now, look, I don't know how to, I don't have all the information.

I know last week, Mike Green said that there was an incident at Virginia that was not true. I read there was something in high school that. So I'm curious if this might come up as relevant in the draft. That specific nugget that he had might be relevant in their draft evaluation. I mean, yeah, for sure. No, for sure. We talked about it in the draft show at 12. You know, I think that, yeah, I mean, it definitely comes up.

And that to me, so basically what happens in a situation like that, where he says that Newtendant didn't happen. Every team, their version of Big Dom, right, is going to get all of that information. Obviously, that's public, but then you're trying to dig into as much that's not public as possible. And then you're just basically circling the wagons

for everybody in-house that has any sources at Marshall, at Virginia, in the high school, hometown, the whole deal, and just trying to get as much information as you can. But there are some teams where you're not even going to go to that length because it might be a non-starter. Well, I'm thinking back to other decisions they've made

or reports that they were very interested in drafting Joe Mixen. Yes. Right? Yes. He had an incident. It's a good point. Right. So, John Mills, now that was dropped.

That was, but there was. So, you know, just trying to fact check if that's true or not. Yeah. It was just, it was something he said that I heard in that interview. But now. I think that's good. Yeah, to make it a little lighter here. As I'm reading this quote back, yeah, maybe that was on his mind and I just wasn't

intrepid enough. I think it seems pretty one to one. Yeah. The first time there was a sense of joy but also relief that we had done it for the first time. I think this time it was easier to let go a little bit and understand how unique and special it was and kind of have fun with it. Yeah.

Okay. There you go. Sounds right to me. All right. What aspect of the Sequin thing? Okay. What is the correlation to the emergency pod we did last? week with Lou Nichols.

Could that have upped the urgency level to get Sequin done? That's a good question. And I had been meaning to ask you about this, Zach. What was your reaction when you saw that we did that Lou Nichols' emergency pot? Mift or confused? Um, not mift. Not confused. FOMO?

Not FOMO. I just want to be looped into the conversation. That's all. That's all. Yeah. I just want, like, I, you know, you, the others, there's an expression that, like, GMs have or, you know, PRC is like, I just don't want to be surprised by what I read in the paper, right? And so it was more like, you know, I care a lot about the show. I don't want to be surprised by something I see in our feed. That was probably my organic reaction. It sounds like a myth. No, no, no. It wasn't, no. Look, it got, you know, a few thousand people watching it. I imagine low over. So it helps, helps, like, I mean, low overhead in terms of like, it didn't seem like a heavy lift. I think it helps our award chances. It's just, it was, it came on a day when I'm like, when I was like, why aren't we

highlighting more of what Hallie Roseman said here? And so I was like the, the two things in our feed that day were the Ludin Nichols emergency show and the, um, uh, Mark Murphy being a cry baby about the touch push. And I'm like, um, you know. Howie Roseman and Nick Siriani spoke today. Like, let's, let's highlight that. But I wasn't miffed. I wasn't miffed.

It was entertaining. It's entertaining. We were doing the draft show when the Lou Nichols News brought. We were like sitting there right about to start the show when the Lou Nichols thing was. Gotcha. So we said, let's do this first. Okay. And then we did the draft show.

Good, good point here from Stonk, Zach Berman, who says Deshawn Watson, in reference to the Eagles flirtation with trading for Deshawn Watson. in the offseason of 2021. Yeah, and you hear conflicting things there. I mean, yeah, there was interesting. Now, I don't know how, how interesting. This was a disagreement between you and I about Jeffrey Lurray's refusal to castigate Deshaun Watson

at the owner's meetings that year. Yeah, and for sure, like I said then that the, that NFL franchises are not more, arbiters like that that was determined by a court of law and again there's there's a lot there that we don't necessarily need to go into but no that is a fair point okay anything else just going through making sure there's nothing else big uh local local guy brandon mcmattis signed a three-year deal 15 million dollars with the packers vikings not tagging sam darnold What's it?

I got. There you go. You think we're going to get news this week? You think we're going to get a Zach Bond extension this week? I don't. I think we'll probably get a Zach Bonn extension within the tampering period. Okay. You still think it will happen?

Yes, I still think Zach Bond's coming back. Okay. And I would imagine, too, that part of the Sequin, when the dust is settled on on Sequin, I think it's going to be beneficial to their 2025 cap. Okay, makes sense. Even though Sequin actually didn't have a huge cap hit this year, But I could still see it doing some stuff for this year. His cap before this was, actually, yeah, he was 7.3 this year against the cap.

So I could see them bring that number down. I mean, he was 3.8 last year. So there's different things you can do. If you're adding two years to the deal, pushes the void years back. So that does make sense. Okay. All right, good stuff, everybody. Fun-filled show, news-filled show, sex-filled show.

Very excited to continue the week as quacketology rolls on, and we look forward to Monday's long show, at least three hours, maybe more. Call a doctor if it lasts longer than that. For Zach and Fran and Julian, we thank you for watching and listening. We will talk to you tomorrow, and as always, we love you. You know,