PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Are Myles Garrett, Jaire Alexander real targets for Howie Roseman, Philadelphia Eagles?

Episode Date: March 6, 2025

We think this episode will be about the potential star acquisitions the Eagles could make either through trade or free agency — players like Myles Garrett, Jaire Alexander, Trey Hendrickson, Harold Landry and the like — but Howie Roseman keeps interrupting our show with breaking news. Will he do it again?Join Zach Berman and Bo Wulf as the countdown to the new league year tocks ever closer. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

to the PHLY Eagles podcast on a Thursday afternoon. Bo Wolf, Zach Berman, here in Studio A, Zach, how you doing? Doing great. Excited for the show. Excited for the show. We're going to continue on with quacketology as we try to narrow down the bracket to find out who is the most likely player to be signed or traded for added to the Eagles next week.

But of course, we might get interrupted again today by breaking news. It's happened twice this week. If it happens again today, Zach, what would it be? my guess is it would be Dallas Goddard. What about him? It would be a resolution. I don't feel comfortable enough to say if it would be one way or the other.

I don't think they're going to cut Dallas Goddard. I think they would either trade him or they would give him a new deal. So I think, now I'm saying one of those two things, I don't think they cut him. I think this is a week when they try to take care of kind of the big looming questions. It can't be a Cam Johnson. Jerkins contract extension yet right because that has to be the start of the league new year believe you're

right yeah so the cam jerkins contract extension could also be agreed upon yeah yeah but yeah i think because that that that date has to be going into the fourth year um so i don't think it's going to be action on any of their free agents i think at the look maybe i'm wrong and and they they re-signed mackay becky beckton or they re-sign Isaiah rogers um But my guess is it's probably the bigger questions, and that would be Dallas Goddard from my perspective. I'm a little bit, I don't want to get too into the Dallas Goddard discussion until we get that resolution.

But the idea that they could cut him, and I know that this was something that you heard whispered as a possibility in Indianapolis, and I know Jeff McClain reported it as well on his podcast today. It's a little bit baffling to me. I didn't hear that they could cut that thing. Okay. I heard that there's a good chance he might not,

or there's a chance he might not be back, is kind of what I've been hearing. Because your understanding is, if you're just thinking about this two-party discussion, Dallas Goddard wants a new deal or added money. He has no guaranteed money. He thinks that if he were on the open market this year, he would get more money than he's due,

and he has no guaranteed money. And then from the Eagles perspective, he is 30 years old and he's had trouble staying healthy. they probably don't want to make it more than a one-year deal. Unless it's two years at a lower number or something of that nature. But if you're Dallas Goddor, yeah, if you hit the market, I think you're by far the top tight end on the market. And I do think you get paid.

Yeah. I mean, we just saw two to out well get $10 million. Sure. Exactly. Now, the age profile is an ideal, but I think he's well regarded around the league when he's been on the field. He's been productive. I do think there is a thought in the league that for self-deagles have a lot

talent at the skill players that J. Allen Hurtz doesn't throw to tight ends that often that like if he's in a different system, he could be better. I was thinking about this. I was looking into that. I don't know that it's, he doesn't throw to tight ends that often. I mean, Dallas Goddard was, I believe, 10th in the league in target rate among tight ends. And that's playing with A.J. Brown and Devante Smith. It's the everybody else. Sure. That Jailen Hurts doesn't throw the ball to, but from the Eagles perspective, the idea of moving on from Dallas Goddard, on the one hand, I feel like, well, this is a Super Bowl caliber team, obviously. They just won the Super Bowl. Why would they be in the business of getting rid of one of their better players when they don't really have a plan or, you know,

an in-house replacement for him? On the other side, if you just think about the big picture of the group on offense, I mean, they've got a lot of guys who are getting paid at the top of their market, who are veterans. If there is a place where you could go cheap, we hear that this is a great class of tight ends. You could go into the draft, assuming that even someone as late as a fourth or fifth round draft pick could step in, maybe paired with Grand Calcutera and be okay.

And then from a passing game standpoint, the thing I'm thinking of is if you really believe that Jahan Dotson is going to be a bigger part of the offense this year and can be the third option, then maybe there's room to move on from Dallas Goddard and you can focus a little bit more

on the blocking there. That's sort of like twisting reality a little bit and trying to to make a way to find a way to make it work. But I'm just, I'm looking for, I'm looking for reasons why they would be so, so eager to move on. I don't think they're eager. I think it's,

it's just a matter of numbers and you look at, you can't pay everybody. So if it's a matter of giving new money to someone, you have to make that decision. I'm, I want to preface this by saying, like, please don't aggregate this. No one like high up at the Eagles or involved in the Eagles

or has, has framed it to me this way. but one thing that I did here is when AJ Brown isn't in there, you feel it, you see it, right? And no disrespect to Professor Selman, but the offense, the offense functioned. Wow, you're sending out the Professor Selman bat signal. He might have to come on soon and answer this.

But like the offense functioned fine without, that like there was a thought that the offense functioned without Dallas Goddard. Sequin Barkley still ran the ball without the Al Scott. They were still able to pass the ball without the Al Scott. Goddard. When AJ wasn't in there, they really felt it more than when Goddard wasn't in there. I mean, you just look at, were they undefeated this year without Goddard? I believe. Is that, I mean, they didn't lose a lot of games. They only lost, yeah, they lost

the two games with AJ down when he got hurt and then they lost the, the chairman. I think Goddard was back for Washington, right? Yeah. Yeah. So now, again, I think Dallas Goddard's a really good player. And I think they think Dallas Goddard's a really good player. to your point about they don't have a natural or they don't have someone to step in. This is fascinating. The Eagles haven't had to find a starting tight end in 25 years. You mean I had to find one from elsewhere. From elsewhere.

They went from Chad Lewis to E.J. Smith. Oh, I'm sorry. L.J. Smith. Sorry, E.J. L.J. Smith. I mean, it's very close. That's a compliment, right? L.J. Smith.

They went from L.J. Smith. To Paul Donaldwich. The Brent Selig. They went from Br. Trent Selleck, Zach Gertz, from Zach Gertz to Dallas Goddard. There's been this progression. There's been these internal replacements at tight end. They haven't had to go out and seek a starting tight end.

I was surprised the past two draft classes that they didn't address this position. This is considered, this year's considered a good tight end draft class, but you don't know how the board's going to fall. I don't love this for agency class. Actually, the news broke yesterday when we were at the news about Zach Vaughn, when we were talking about Tommy Trembal, who I think is probably the best, like, upside fit. I do think a player that would intrigue me in a trade is Michael Mayer

from Las Vegas. We'll get to him later today. But yeah, if you're, I'll put it this way. If you move on from Goddard, I want to know what your plan is at tight end because Dallas Goddard's too good of a player. The one thing I would say is that I'm not advocating for this, but I think that is the one position where you probably could go in

without having it filled, you know, pre-draft. And there will be options available after the draft. This is to Howey's patience thing. And even if the draft doesn't land you, someone you think can be a starter, they will probably be somebody available, you know, before the season. But that is a, I mean, that is a bit of a risky endeavor. I also think you could imagine put yourself in Dallas Goddard's shoes, you know, they just paid Sequin.

They just paid Zach Bonn. Like, man, I've been here this whole time. Like, AJ got paid, Devante got paid again. I know I got a new contract, but isn't it my turn? I think that's part of this question, right? And I think, too, I don't want to like, I would never talk down the fans. Like, I'm just trying to say this from the perspective of,

I think there's often you, I think there's a view on the outside when you look at the contract and you say, well, he still has another year left, right? From the player's perspective, often they're looking at when the guaranteed money elapses on the contract. So not to say that you can't bring them back, you can't say just like come play at this, but I think players are upset when there's no guaranteed money there. And from the team's perspective, there's no cash that you owe the player if there's no

guaranteed money. This was at the heart of the Hassan Redick situation last year. This was, I think to like Sequan Barkley next year, this would have come up. If Sequin, if they didn't give Sequin a contract extension, if Sequin got hurt this year, it's like, I got no guaranteed money next year, you know, am I going to be on the team? So I think that the idea of guaranteed money resonates to the guaranteed money on that. year of the deal resonates more to the players than me or the fans when we kind of look at over the cap.com, which does a great job. Yeah, I mean, the way things generally work in the NFL is that if you are letting me play the final year of my contract, you probably don't love me.

Yes, yeah, exactly. Right? 100%. That's that that's a more succinct way of saying it. Yes. So, yeah. I mean, I am very curious to see how this, how this resolves. And especially with Eagles, especially with Eagles. That's exactly right. And you weren't a guy signed on a one-year deal like Zach If you were a homegrown person and you're entering the final year of your deal, you know, you probably would have tried to accept me if you really loved me. Yes. And it's why I wrote in that 25-step guide that I think the Eagles are going to have an interesting situation at safety this year.

It reminds me of linebacker back in 2022 because you have both guys who you essentially have to make decisions on. Read blank, ships entering the last year of his deal. CJ, Garner Johnson has no guaranteed money beyond this season. So I don't want to say you have to pick one or the other. But like if you give an extension to one, the other guy's like, well, I'm probably not a part of your plans. Yeah, that's interesting. I feel like you could do some kind of read-blankenship extension now because CJ got paid last offseason. Like that would be a reasonable thing to do. What is going to tell me,

fill us in on what is going on with the, the social media discussion with C.J. Garner Johnson and Darius Lay right now. Yeah, I mean, it's like I'm not good at deciphering social media messages. From what I have gathered I shouldn't even say from from from from from from from from from from from what I've seen CJ has kind of defended his credentials has been saying that or I'm trying to a dairy sleigh said that read blanket ship would be the leader in the room unless the Eagles brought in a veteran. Mm-hmm. And I think CJ was saying that the Eagles don't need a veteran and was talking about kind of what he

he provides and they brought a veteran when he was gone and the Eagles got knocked out of the playoffs. Yeah. I haven't spoken to Slay. Poor Kevin Byrd. Yeah, seriously taking another one. Sleigh put out a tweet explaining, which is something that's accurate, that Reed Blankenship is on the leadership council. Reed Blankenship in that building, in that locker room is very well regarded for like, I don't want to say leadership.

But yeah, leadership for kind of the way he is behind the scenes in the locker room. he's been there for three consecutive years. He's going in the year four. Like CJ was here for a year left and came back. Not to say that there's C.J.'s not viewed that way. But I could see why someone who's been with Reed Blankenship for three years would say Reed Blankenship would be the leader in the room. He would be the longest tenure player at that point.

I don't think it's far fetch to say that Reed Blanketship is, that read Blanketship would be the leader as the longest tenured player there. but assuming if Ante Maddox is not back, of course. Right. But again, I would never profess to say that I know what's going on between C.J. or Slay or what's up with C.S. I mean, they have each other's phone numbers. Yeah.

I mean, I do enjoy, you know, and then I see. I do enjoy seeing the players get on and like speaking for themselves here. Yeah. It's fun, but I don't ascribe to like, knowing what they mean sometimes when it's when it's cryptic. That's kind of why I like being in the locker room and like asking the questions. Yeah. Because you at least even if you get, you at least give them a chance to answer it.

Like I'm not good at saying, you know, when CJ had that tweet the other day, when Sequin got the contract, like, you know, me respect or something. One could assume that's about his contract. Right. You send me a text. Yeah. Like we should talk about this. Then he says it's not about his contract.

So again, I like being there by his locker. asking him the direct question. All right. So speaking of patting ourselves on the back, let's talk about Zach Bonn a day after. Okay. Nice job on the nail on the date. Well, no, but this is,

I do owe a Mia Coppa because Sunset Chaz, you asked me two days ago if I expected a bond resolution this week and I said, no, I think it's going to be during the tampering. I think they're going to resign him during the tampering period. So I did say the March 5th back on February 18.

I mean, for content sick, you nailed the date. That's all that matters. Take a bunch of shots. Yeah, I mean, you got a... We could do a thing. Maybe when the show's over, we'll do... I'm predicting the Eagles are going to sign or trade for Michael Mayer. I'm predicting the Eagles are going to trade for... Garrett.

The Eagles are going to sign Joe Tryon, Shoyanka, and let's do all 64, and then we can clip it and then when they sign it, well, no, I did think that this week... Look, I did think that the Eagles were going to try to keep them off the open market. Sure. Like, not let it get to that point. And that was said with a degree of education involved, too, or that... Syracuse education. Yeah, true.

Syracuse degree. But no, with like an understanding of the way they prioritized Zach Bond with that they wanted to get a deal done and with just the unknown nature of the open market. And so I knew this was the... I didn't think it was going to happen before the combine. Yeah, I was thinking of the, you know, who's got the upper hand in the negotiation, who's got the leverage there. And obviously, like, Zach Bonn has the majority of the leverage there because he can say, I'm going to go to the open market.

I want to see what my value is. And so the Eagles have to come up a bit. And, you know, it's probably a little bit above what they were hoping for. I think the Eagles leverage in that standpoint is just like, listen, things move so quickly in free agency. Like, if you don't sign on for this now, we can't promise that this is going to be like it. And maybe it's a, I don't know if they're going to give an artificial deadline, but it's like, listen, like if we go into free agency. agency 12 o'clock on Monday and you're not signed we're going to sign somebody else you know that is that's the leverage right you're in and and there are times so exact bond really wants to be here yeah this is a very

good deal let's let's do it everyone has different negotiation styles some people don't like to shop a deal some people say look if you give me this number I'm going to sign I'm not you know I'm not going to bring this to team A team B team C like this is the number I want if you get to this number I will sign I will stay. And then it's a matter of the team staying, you know, so, so, so that, but I, I, I thought that bond would come back from, or bond's representation will come back from free agency with a sense of what the market is. Uh, I thought the middle of the week was the chance for that to happen. Um, so that's, that's why I said March 5th. It wasn't like arbitrary, um, a Mac Gell's birthday is on that day, although Matt Gell's birthday was on that day. You should have had him on the show yesterday to

Although I got to confess if we're doing this. I've been all over the place this week, right? Like I'm on overdrive right now. I thought Tuesday was Wednesday. And so I texted Gell two days ago on Tuesday saying, happy birthday, make this the best year yet. Yeah. And then he was like, you know, thanks.

And we're texting back and forth. Oh, and he never let on the year day early. No. And then yesterday. I'm going to text him right now. And then yesterday I got the message. I got the message on my calendar. You know, I look at my calendar.

I'm going through all the stuff. And it says Matt Cove's birthday. And I was like, dude, you didn't correct me. And he was like, he liked that I got ahead of it, right? So, yeah. But I even said at the speech the other night that I did or the, I said, you know, and we're here on a Wednesday night. And it was actually a Tuesday night.

So it was kind of like that office episode where. you know, Dwight didn't, you know, Dwight thought it was a Friday. Everything in life is like an office episode,

isn't it? Not everything, but some things, yeah. Super chat from Claire who says, let's give Zach his flowers for the Bond prediction.

I agree. It was fantastic. And good, good short content. YouTube short. Oh, okay. 10 seconds also.

Yes. So that's good. All right. Anything else on Zach Bonn having let it sit a day later that you want to add to that discussion

before we take a break can head to questions. Yeah, one thing I really want, and excuse me, I tweeted this, but it's something I feel strongly about is there's this idea that Howie has changed the way he views running backs and linebackers. And I wouldn't go that far. I don't think there's been a philosophical shift. I think this has more to do with the players, the players, than the positions. So the way I would frame it is if the Eagles didn't keep Zach Bond, I don't think they would turn around and pay a guy $15 million to play lineback. 100%.

I think they made an exception for an exceptional player. Same thing with Saquan Barclay. I don't think last year they were going to pay that money to any running back. I think they viewed Zach, I think they viewed Sequin Barclay as a top of the league player that they would pay top of the league money for. So there were things, I do think they thought the running back market might have been. Yeah, actually, I would say there is a bit of a distinction between the two. I think with running back,

there is a bit of an evolution of their thinking. I think you're right. They did identify that they thought that there was a bit of a misallocation of resources in the market. For the best guys. For the best guys. I also think they would have been willing to,

I think they viewed the offense as we were not getting enough out of that. You know, you heard all the stuff behind the scenes about 2023. All of this, you know, the offensive line was blocking yards before contact. We're doing great, but we're not breaking tackles, we're not getting explosives out of it.

I think they identified that as something that they needed to improve. Now, obviously, you know, Seguan is the best. I think they would have been willing to maybe play in the middle market more there than linebacker. Whereas I think linebacker, their evaluation of the position there, the resources hasn't changed. It's just that this guy in this defense is worth the money for the reasons we talked about, like because there's a difference between the value of the position and the projection at the position, even if you're paying premium prices at linebacker or draft resources, you cannot guarantee that those guys are going to fit well.

And then it's a real waste of money. And I just think about it from the like, man, they have been playing a bunch of like penny lottery tickets at that position for a long time. And it was never worth it to them to cash in on it at like a just a minor profit. Like, T.J. Edwards was not worth it to them because even though it was a great return on the investment, locking it in at the level he was going to get paid for, you know, they're not, they're not cashing in their 20 lottery tickets to get $7 back. They're going to keep playing until they get the guy. And this was the guy. And so now they make a, now that's a windfall.

You're right. I would argue the same thing for running back. They weren't going to pay the Andre Swift, what the, what the Bears were paying, the Andre Swift. They weren't going to pay Miles Sanders, what Carolina was going to pay. Like, if they were going to go big at the position, it was going to be for a player they deemed as a special player. Same thing at linebacker. So, yeah, so my guess, so I think philosophically, how he believes in star players,

and then I think he believes in the lines of scrimmage. So if you want to know how the Eagles will build their team, it'll be the lines of scrimmage and then star players at other spots. They would pay for, I think they would pay for a star safety. if Kyle Hamilton hit the open market, I think they would pay for a star safety. They could have had Kyle Hamilton in the draft, right? But that's, you know,

they were going to pay up premium picks to get make up Fitzpatrick when he was available via trade. I think they view it like they'll pay for elite players. And I think we were talking before the show, you were saying like, you know, you would be willing in if you were a GM to overspend for the best players. I think that is to some degree how they view it.

that the best players in football are underpaid. Yes. And everybody else who is not on a rookie contract is more than likely overpaid. You're right. In the way that they view it. Yeah. Excuse me. No problem.

You're absolutely right because, you know, I was talking to someone who I think is very smart about, you know, team building. Flatter me. And he was, he was, I suppose I'm identifying that was a male here. But he was kind of comparing the NFL to the NBA. And he said the biggest difference is there's no max contracts. Right. So like you could, if there's a player you really want who hits the open market, you could just outbid everyone else.

Whereas the NBA, the max contract structure changes everything. All right. Let's go to the super chats. We have a monster super chat. Holy smokes. Jake makes. Says, end of last episode had me P-O'd. Who told you guys to shove it?

We are so blessed as a fan base to have y all covering our team. P.HL.Y. Till I die. A hundred smackeroo. Jake, our hero. We can eat today. I appreciate Jake. I mean, that is hard-earned money in this economy. Jake, unbelievable.

Jake, you don't have to spend $100 for this next one, but please tell me if you're the same Jake that I saw, I was in a coffee shop writing or a bagel shop writing over the weekend. And there was a Jake who came up to me and said, thank you for your service. And I said, excuse. I mean, I'm very, I'm very careful with that. I said, what are you referring to? Like, I have not served our country. And he was like, I listen every day.

It's the best part of my day. And I said, Jake, thank you so much. I'm going to mention this on the show. So you might be. So you forgot to mention it on the show, but now he did. You might be a different, Jake, but nonetheless, thank you for your contribution. And more importantly, thank you for your nice words.

Yeah, I mean, Jake, put in a different question in the chat so we can feel like we did something else for you as well. But thank you very much. Joe Rockhead also with a super chat. checking in just to show us some love. And then Matthew Greenwood says, what did I miss yesterday? The only thing I heard is Zach wants

25-year-old girls to listen and he likes pancakes. Well, I would like any 25-year-old to listen, male, female, however you like to identify yourself. Yeah, I think the young audience is very important for our show. We're hip. Yeah.

My son comes up to me this morning and says, did you know that Joey Bosa got cut? I said, I didn't know. How did you know? He watches. He's drippy. He watches YouTube sport. He gets his news on YouTube every single morning when he wakes up.

So I know young people are on YouTube. I want you watching our show and pancakes. I grew up loving pancakes. I don't eat them as often anymore, but I did have pancakes at the waffle shop. Not the pancake shop, the waffle shop in State College when I was there. And I will be in State College this year, by the way, for, I believe, they're September 6th game.

I will be there. So anyone who's there, I will be there that weekend. Breaking news, I have received a response from Matt Gelb. I sent him a text. I said,

happy birthday. Let's make this the best year yet. Obviously, this is a day after the birthday, after you went a day before the birthday. And he sends a laughing emoji, and I didn't see the bond clip until he sent it to me last night.

Yes. So there you go. All right. And with that, we head to a break and on the other side we're going to try to really bang through

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Rocketmoney.com slash p.hly. All right, Zach. We return to the free agent offense region. We've got, we're about halfway through. And we look now at running backs, a pair of running backs who are. are likely to hit the market after their rookie contracts have expired. Elijah Mitchell, we know the Eagles have always loved former 49ers running backs. And so that is one to circle.

He wasn't a third round pick. That's true. The other one is Giovante Williams, the former early draft pick of the Denver Broncos, who suffered a torn ACL early in his career, never really looked the same, but a player of the Eagles presumably would have liked coming out. Yeah, I'm going with Giovante Williams here. I think that you can rationalize the injury part of it. a new coach, and I do think he's someone that they like coming out.

Yeah, I could go either way. I don't think that either one is going to command a ton of money. I think I would be, I think I would lean Elijah Mitchell only in that I think he would cost less. Yeah. But I do think that they would presumably be more interested in Giovante William, so I'm happy to give this one to you and go Javante Williams. I don't feel as strong about that.

But speaking of the Broncos, congratulations. the DNVR's Todd Davis. Did you see this? No. Todd Davis is leaving DNVR, unfortunately. Really? He took a coaching job with the Denver Broncos. Really?

Yes. Good for him. I hope we don't lose Vinny Curry to the Eagles coaching staff. What's the job? Defensive Quality Control Coach. Good for him. Yeah. So always liked seeing Todd at the events the past two years,

but Todd will be a member of the Broncos coaching staff. Hopefully the DNVR guys have a good source in the building. You can't tell your sources. Can't tell your sources. I mean, but they did. Also, I would say, just guessing a bit of a different lifestyle. I would guess so. I would guess so.

Different vibes, too. Yeah. You're not working in a bar. Yeah, but Sean Payton, I don't know. He gets after it. I'll take your word for it. Okay. All right.

Now, next up, we had Tutu Atwell up against John Bates, two to outbell, resigned today, to a crazy $10 million. deal to go back to the Rams. So let's insert who is another wide receiver? You know, obviously, I should have done this ahead of time. But John Bates is a blocking tight end. Okay.

Would make sense as the, you know, Jack stole replacement. I believe as many snaps as he's played over the past couple years. No tackle or no tight end was blocking more often than John Bates. I don't have anybody else for instead of 2-2-2. The internet is not good enough in here for me to find the wide receivers.

Let me just give the rundown on the first player real quick, and I will give you a good free agent for this. John Bates was a blocking tight end. Okay. Blocked more often than anybody else at that level. All right, so here's, I'll give you. Here, I got you here. I got you here.

Darius Slayton. I was going to say a Lomni Zikaez-is, but okay, Darius Slaterius-Layton. How about both of them? Okay. Okay. There's, um, are we keeping John Bates in here?

Yeah. John Bates, Darius Slaten or Alamede Zakias. John Bates. Yeah, I agree. Yes. I don't think they're going to,

Darius is going to get real money somewhere. Yes. Alamede Zichias isn't walking through that door. Yes. So let's go John Bates. Fair enough. All right. Congratulations to John Bates.

Uh, next up, a pair of offensive linemen. Larry Boreham. Really good line. line I read the other day about how if the Eagles sign Larry Borum and making the sixth offensive linemen

and they get into these heavy packages they could flash a screen up on the link scoreboard that says Borum to death. Ah yeah, I see what you did there. You made Joy Laugh. And he is going up against James Daniels, the versatile interior offensive lineman who did suffer a torn Achilles

in the middle of last season early in the season. So presumably we'll be ready around the time of the start of the year. Borum, by the way, is a versatile tackle who was one of the guys who I mentioned earlier under 30 years old who has played at least 200 snaps on both sides, right tackle, left tackle over the past two seasons. I would have said James Daniels if he didn't have the injury, but I think that's a medical question. You don't know if, I mean, that's a major injury coming off of that. You don't know if you're going to have them this summer. So I would lean toward Larry Borum, but I really liked James Daniels when he was at Iowa.

I liked him as a free agent with the Bears, and I thought he was going to do better with the Steelers. I think he has actually been productive with the Steelers, but the injury is the question. Yeah, I'm going to go Borum. I think I would be surprised if they don't add a swing tackle. Would you prefer Larry Borum to Fred Johnson? I think they would probably just prefer Fred Johnson. There's a known quantity there.

Yeah. All right. Last matchup of free agent offense. It was originally Alex Kappa against Ben Cleveland, Alex Kappa, released by the Bengals, signed yesterday by the Las Vegas Raiders. So instead, let's do Kendrick Green here, who the former high pick of the Texans.

Well, I think he was Steelers. Traded to the Texans. Back up, can play multiple positions. He goes up against Ben Cleveland, who was a starter at guard for the Ravens, lost his job last season. enters the market. Kendrick Green doesn't strike me as a Stoutland guy in terms of the size.

Yeah, Ben Cleveland, to me, actually makes a lot of sense. Exactly. So I'm going with Ben Cleveland here. So Ben Cleveland is a hulking body at guard, which is what Stadlin likes. He'll have the early round pedigree. And to me, would be like the right level of player to sign as a Band-Aid slash low bar for Tyler Steen to clear if you want him to win that job. Agreed. and Georgia guy.

And the Georgia guy. Yes. Whenever you say Alex Kappa, though, I think of one of the smartest people Julia knows. So that's when you said it to me the other day, we're going to talk about Alex Kappa. I was like, really? Is that his name or a similar name?

He has a similar last name. Alex Kaplan? Yes. Yeah. Okay. Brilliant. Brilliant. They named those SAT tutoring classes after him.

They could have. I think you like ace the SATs. Brilliant guy. And you know what? Better guy than he. is smart. Well, then he can't be that smart. He's that good of a guy. Let's not get into LeBron territory here where like, you know, he's got to be like 99% on one of the two things. So you actually, I know you don't listen to part of my take. They had an interview with Nick Siriani.

It was a good interview. And they actually got Nick on this because Nick was talking about Sequin. It was like, and was like, and a better guy. And they're like, there's no way he's a better guy. And they're like, he's not one of the 10 best got people in the world. Yeah. Nick's like, Yeah, that's been my take for decades. Yeah, and then Nick was like, well, there's a lot of people in the world. And they're like, exactly.

He's one of the 10 best running backs. It was one of the 10 best football players in the world. He's not one of the 10 best people in the world. Right. And then Nick's like, okay, yeah, I guess you're right. He's like, so a better player than person. Yeah. So it was actually a good stick that they did.

All right. Let's move now to the final region, the trade slash cut possibilities. And we start with the headliner. Miles Garrett. So. Yes. How real.

Do you think the Miles Garrett flirtation is for the Eagles? Is it even feasible? He is going up against Jonathan Allen, the longtime, very good commander's defensive tackle, who has been bandied about as a potential cap casualty. I do think it's feasible. We talked about this last, or we talked about this earlier this week, and I believe that in, look, the Max Crosby deal,

he've raised that contract. You're looking at 35 million plus. but I stand by this. Until I see Miles Garrett on a different team, then I am not going to rule out the Eagles because I think there is definite smoke there. I agree with, you know,

Howie Rosemone was speaking theoretically, but that it's more difficult, I think it's more difficult this year than it is in other years. I don't think it's the trade compensation. I actually think it's the contract. That's more of the issue. I think the Eagles would agree to a trade compensation here.

But like Fran said the other day when he was in, that this, could actually linger post-June-first just for the Brown's end of this. And if that happens, I actually think maybe the Eagles can figure out some things. Cap-wise, they have some money coming. So these post-June-first cuts, the money actually doesn't come off the books until after June 1st. That's something that's important.

The player is free to sign elsewhere now. Right. But the cap relief doesn't come until after June 1st. And I think the position, obviously, is a position they prioritize. I think that the window, even if he's 29th, years old. That's an older profile than Jason Peters and AJ Brown, then Jalen Ramsey when the Eagles were interested in him. I think you can look at a three to five year window where he's still one of the elite players in the league. That matches up with the Eagles timeline here. And I think like personality fit,

Miles Garrett would make a lot of sense. And as we've talked about on a number of occasions, Miles Garrett could narrow the market based on who he's willing to sign with. Yeah. I mean, certainly I think it's less likely that he's an eagle than more likely. Sure. Obviously. He's not on the team right now. And I do still, I'm wary of the idea that the eagles would be willing to wait and head into the Osses of not having the whatever prime addition they're thinking they're going to have.

But of course, if Miles Garrett is available, Howard Roseman is going to be interested. Yes. And he's going to do his due diligence. Whereas the Jonathan Allen thing, I don't think that that's a match for them because he's going to get a lot of money. And at that position, they're not going to commit more than one year

of serious money when they have the Jalen Carter contract, most likely coming up next off season. You're right. And I think that factors into the Miles Garrett discussion too because it's also, you know, I think Jailen Carter is going to become perhaps the highest paid defensive player in the league next year, right?

At the start of the league, you know, I think when we do this show next year, we'll be talking about Jel and Carter on the verge of getting paid. So that's something that the Eagles need to, you know, it wasn't lost to me that how he talked about those extensions coming up in 26 and 27 when he was talking about what they need to factor in this offseason. But Miles Garrett is an A plus plus player and the Eagles would be interested in an A plus plus player.

All of those contracts coming up, it does make me think that they're going to add a little bit more offense in the draft than people might expect. It's a good point. Just to balance that out. It's a good point. All right. Let's talk next round. So Miles Garrett moves on.

Next up, Joey Bosa, who as Reed Berman broke, was released by the Chargers last night. I thought it was a very good tweet. Actually, I believe it was a blue sky from Kevin Van Valkaberg about it was like, Joey Bosa, one of the best chargers of all time. And it was like, that is such a backhanded compliment for both sides. Like, Joey Bosa goes up against Isaac Seymalo, old friend who is a potential casualty of the camp for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Yeah, Joey Bosa's missed a lot of time during the past few years. She's missed over 20 games in the past. Yes.

Also that video of him with the Eagles fan is very, very, very funny from before the NFC championship game. I think it's like, you know, Eagles fans are billing Sequin. You know, like I get it. You know, you cheer against the guy on the other team. You cheer against, you cheer for the guy on your team. But Joey Bosa, and I should also say Nick Siriani was with the Chargers. during both storm probably

boas's two most productive years i know his first year with brandon staley he had i think seven force fumbles but he was outstanding as a rookie in a second year player nick syriani was there i think at this stage of boza's career i don't know if that's where the eagles would would go i i i know we'll get to the other charger i think they'd be more apt to go with what's that i said they're not adding that guy joey bosa yeah yeah i mean i agree with you yeah i i wouldn't roll it out but it's not I feel like I could rule it out

Okay I mean not definitely I mean I can't And I and I know Isaac Samaolo is someone That they hold in high regard in that building Yeah do you think if they sign say Amalo that would I'm not I'm skeptical that they would sign him And not have him be the starter

Do you think he's going to get cut? Like do you think I don't know Yeah I don't think him and Daniels gets cut Okay But And they're going to lose Dan Moore Exactly

Yeah But no I I think Siamalu is like such a respected team guy that I could see him being the sixth, you know, being the backup interior, play multiple spots. But Stoutland holds him in such high regard as well.

Yeah. Okay. Next up, your boy, Michael Mayer, the tight end from the Las Vegas Raiders. It was a second round pick. And then all of a sudden they take Brock Bowers

and he takes over the league. So he is displaced and had something of an off-field situation going on last year. Yeah. He's going up against Harold Landry, the star Titans edge rusher who was getting a little bit up there in age. Yeah, so with the off-field thing,

it's not like a legal thing, it was a personal man. Yes. But I think Michael Mayer makes a lot of sense. This was a high second round pick who was very well regarded coming out in Notre Dame, was real solid as a rookie. Again, the up Brock Bowers was a special prospect.

The Raiders take him. They've had two regime changes since Michael Mayer was taken. still young, still on his rookie deal, has an enticing profile. I think this is the type of player the Eagles would target if they moved on from Dallas Goddard.

Is he John Mayer's brother? He is not John Mayer's brother. No. No. Your tight end as a wonderland. GMs be good to your tight ends too. You do break out in song in the show.

I never... At what point did I ever dispute that I break out and sung on the show. I feel like that second one was better. Okay. Do you like John Mayer? When I think of John Mayer, what do you think of? I think of a quote in GQ.

Was it GQ or S-WR? I think it's the same thing. Yes, I think of that. Yes, I think of describing... Jessica Simpson is that who is the sexual napalm, I believe, was the... You said it, not me. It's a good legacy to have. All right, so congratulations to Michael Mayer,

who's going over Harold Landry. Next up, the other poster bowl. from the thumbnail of this episode. Jair Alexander. The Packers Corner, inside outside versatility, has had trouble staying healthy, a bit of an acrimonious relationship

with that team, it feels like. And he's going up against Kendall Fuller, your boy. Do you know where Jaira Alexander was born? Not where he grew up, where he was born. I'm guessing somewhere just outside Philadelphia. Right around here in Philadelphia.

He was born in Philly. He moved to North Carolina as like a toddler. So I know I wouldn't say he's from here, but I mean, one of these hospitals around here, I assume he was born in. I think Kendall four is the more likely. I don't think either one, but I would think Kendall for the inside, outside versatility,

similar to Alexander. But I would imagine Alexander gets paid more than what the Eagles are looking for. Yeah, I could, I still can envision a scenario in which the Eagles use what is probably like one spot for a big money edition on a corner short term. I don't think that's what they're going to do, but I could see the thinking behind that, but I don't think it would be Jaira Alexander.

What are you smiling at now? No, I was, I was thinking, I actually have a different John Mayer memory. Oh, let's hear it. I don't think it would be Jair Alexander because I think he would require more than one year, and I don't think that that would be in their plans. But you could convince me inside outside, he makes a lot of sense with Cooper DeGine. But I would go Kendall Fuller just because I don't think he'll cost as much. I can see that.

Yeah. Did you go Alexander or Fuller? I went four. Okay, let's go Fuller. Let's hear your John Mayer thought. I was watching Letterman one time and he was on and he did a Bob Dylan cover. I believe they were. Not as good as my Dylan McMahon.

No, it wasn't a Bob Dylan cover. It was, is it Don McLean who did American Pie? Yeah. I think he sang American Pie on it. If memory starts, I remember him being on Letterman. and it was really well done. That's what you were smiling about? Well, I'm trying to, I don't have a lot of John Mayer notes,

but that's, I recall him in, I remember the interview, I believe he's from Connecticut. Is that accurate? You tell me, you saw the interview. I mean, it was probably 10 years ago that he was on Letterman. Yeah, but you're the one who brought it up. Yes, yeah. So I remember him singing the song, and I believe he's from,

look, American Pie, okay, yeah. Yeah, but Letterman was not two years ago. It says, yeah. When was, what year was the interview done? I'm curious, yeah. The chat can weigh in, but I do recall that from January. Did you like the movie American Pie? At that age I did.

I haven't seen it since middle school, but 2015. So 10 years ago, boom. Boom. Okay. Let's clip that. Let's get that one on social. We don't need to. When I was in middle school, when I was in middle school or high school,

when I was in middle school, I liked American Pie. Yeah. Okay. Did you? You strike me as a big American pie guy. No, you strike me as a big American pie guy. No, I can see you loving. I can see you loving.

No, that is so up your alley. No, I can see you loving the character Finch. You're probably a huge Finch guy. Yeah. What? Yeah. Clearly you are the bigger American pie guy because you can remember the guy's name. I'm good with names, Bo.

I remember Finch. Yeah. Okay. But, um, but no, at the, yeah, I mean, at that time, I really liked American Pie. I haven't seen it since then. Okay. At that time, let's, let's, let's, speaking of timelines.

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No there's I couldn't stand I couldn't stand this is the The strongest you have ever come out Against anybody in the world Yeah I'm well you have to treat people with respect If I if I'm being honest with you At that age I was I was kind of

I was kind of into well the Tara Reid Oh Tara Reid over Shannon Elizabeth Well I mean Terry Reid had a bigger role in the in the movie Debatable Of the male characters I probably like the, was it Thomas Ian Nichols? Does that is, his name? Okay.

I forget his name in the show, but. Henry Rowan Gardner. Yes, Henry Rowan Gardner. There you go. But I actually didn't. He was a bit of a wet noodle. Wasn't he? In what regard?

That was not sexual. Just kind of a wet blanket. I never know if HB is coming out. So, no, I, yeah. But for newcomers, of course, HB is short for Horny Berman. No, not at all. Not at all. All right, let's get back to it.

All right. Let's get rolling. We've got four more first round matchups to get to. Tyree Wilson, the former early round pick of the Las Vegas Raiders, a second turnover, has not been super productive. However, like the cap mechanics of trading him on the third year of his deal are a little bit difficult. And he's going up against Vinnie Curry's old friend, John Franklin Myers. I'm going John Franklin Myers here. I think that's a player with inside, outside,

versatility in this defense. Although I actually didn't, I did not like Tyree Wilson coming out. I thought it was a little overrated. Yeah, it was one of my strongest opinions from that draft. Yeah, he makes sense as kind of like a, I guess if you're looking for a former, you know,

Howie's first round pick, kink that he's trying to, you know, rebuild that value. But John Franklin Myers is someone who I think you can actually put into, I don't want to say like one for one in terms of, uh,

the playing time Milton Williams had, you're probably giving more playing time next year. But maybe you give him 35% of the snaps. And I can see him being part of this rotation. Totally agree. That would be the level of veteran that makes sense for them to add at defensive tackle. And you could make the case that for them, a trade is better than a qualifying compic signing.

Great. John Franklin Myers moves on. All right. Next up, Dalvin Tomlinson, who I feel like has been in like six straight quacketologies. Yes. he's just always available and he's been around. He's going up against another one of your boys, Draymond Jones,

who you called out as a possibility in the Howie Roseman, if I were a rose man. All day long, and signy, signy, sign, trity, trity and extend. Still going? If I were a roseman.

I'm definitely going with Ramon. I am definitely going with Draymond Jones here. Draymond Jones is if John Franklin Myers would be the B candidate I would say then Draymond Jones would be the A candidate. Draymond Jones because he was cut, he doesn't affect the compic formula. I think he steps in as a role right away. He's a unique player I think was used the incorrect way with the Seahawks last year

has played in Vic Fangio scheme and done well in Vic Fangio scheme. Good age profile too. Still only 28 years old. I would go Draymond Jones. I agree with you. Jamont Jones moves on. All right. I'm going to give you a few seconds

to think of somebody who can replace Sam Hubbard who announced his retirement here. And he will be going up, whoever this mystery contestant is, will be going up against Traylon Burks. Of course, the wide receiver drafted by the Tennessee Titans

after they traded away, AJ Brown, and it has been a very underwhelming beginning to the career for Traylon Burks, new coaching staff, new GM, certainly possible.

that they would be willing to move on? Would the Eagles have any interest there, or would they be more interested in? Andre Cisco. Oh. Andre Cisco is, so if I was in the Shield Capadia role and I was ranking free agents,

Shield is an outstanding job, so does Greg Rosenthal. So does Jordan Rodriguez. So does Jordan Rodriguez, yes, and Mike Jones. And Bill Wolf. Yeah, but you do it Eagle specific. So that's why. Andre Sisko would be higher on my list than he's been, I like Andre

Cisco's game. I liked him a lot coming out of Syracuse. I think that he's been a good player for the Jags. And there's been a few different changes there in terms of coordinators. They've added some players there. I don't think Andre Sisko makes as much sense for the Eagles because I think he's a starting safety. And I don't think the Eagles sign a starting safety. but there's going to be a team that signs Andre Sisko and they are going to reap the benefits of it. And so I would go Trailing Berks here,

although it's kind of like a poetic justice in a certain respect. Different movie. What's that, poetic justice? Yes. I've never seen the movie, but I know the expression. But Traylin Berks, so of course the Titans acquired for,

or with the pick that they trade AJ Brown they used it on Traylen Berks. I'm going with Traylin Berks. Speaking of horny pop culture things from our teen years. Corny. Horny. Horny. Okay. I just want to make sure you said that correct. Okay.

Horny. Corny. No. With a C. With an H. Oh, with an H. Oh, were we speaking of that? Well, American Pie.

Oh, I liked it for the character development. Oh, sure he does. Sure he does. Yeah. I mean, the movie itself is a battle. Yeah, I like it for the character development. I don't know what you were into it for, but I was into it for the character development. Well, because you mentioned Andre Sisko.

Yes. Cisco. I know Sisko was a singer. What does he sing? I mean, he only sings one song. Can you sing it for me? You must see. Don't pretend like you don't know. If you know that Cisco was a singer, you know the song that he sings. You say it first.

I don't know what you're referring to, Bo. Come on. I thought that was a musical cue. I thought that was a musical cue. You don't, you know he's a singer, but you don't know the song. Fither on the roof? What did he sing? The thong song.

You would know that song. Okay, now that you're saying it, I'm putting it together. So you're lying. You are playing. Just know, listeners need to know that only one of the two of us on this show is telling the truth at all times. When I hear at the safety for the Jacksonville Jaguars, who I watched in college at Syracuse, who I identified as an under the radar free agent. agent, you thought of thongs. I just want to put that out there. No, I thought of Cisco. I mean,

obviously, it's like a one to, it's an A to B to C, and eventually you get there. I did not go there, is my point. Okay. Thank you to all of the people watching on Fast. We've got a little bit more to get to, actually quite a bit more to get to on this episode. You can check it all out on all p.h.l.com. Super chat from him who says, AJ Brown to the Pats for a fourth equals Abdul-Carter and the third? Yeah, for the number four pick. Oh, for four-fourth. Okay, so basically he's saying

if the Eagles trade A.J. Brown to the Pats for number four overall, then you could draft Abdul Carter and trade a third for D.K. Medcaf, presumably knowing you're going to get a third round pick next year in the compick. I don't know, that's some Galaxy Brain stuff. I think what he's thinking is that you then trade

your first round pick and you trade 32 in your third to get DK. And then you trade A.J. and use that on the Abdul-Cardtick. First off. I don't know. that's kind of cool. Check out the mock draft right now on all phtly.com. Oh, you already said fast. Okay, good. But I don't believe Abdul Carter's going to be available at the number four overall pick. I'm just going to put that out there. I think, yeah.

You're probably right. Yeah. So I, but Deals aren't trading AJ Brown. Him also says, keep Isaiah Rogers, let Slay go. C.J. G.J. is a better captain. I think they could keep Isaiah Rogers. I don't think Slay is returning. I don't know if C.J. Garner Johnson is going to be a captain next year or not, but I do think C.J. Garner Johnson is a leader on that team. All right. Last first round matchup. Sheldon Rankins, another

boilerplate veteran defensive tackle who is long in the tooth going up against ya boy. And of all the ya boys who we have said so far, this is the ya boyest of them all. Yes. Kyle Pitts. Oh, I thought, okay, we ever did Baron Browning?

Yes. Yeah, you had to do that was the yeah, that was the yeah, boy matchup. That was Baron Browning against Jeremy Chin. Yeah, that's true. Okay. I don't think they're going to trade for Kyle Pitts right now because I don't think they're going to take on that. Although this is the thing.

If you trade for Kyle Pitts, you give him a contract extension. And you bring down that year one number. So I could see that. Our friend Josh Kendall wrote a story this week, like what he's hearing about the Falcons. And he said, everyone wants to know what's going to happen with Kyle Pitts. I'm one of them. I want to know what's going to happen with Kyle Pitts.

Kyle Pitts is underrated. Kyle Pitts is only 24 years old. Can you believe that? He's going in the year 5 in the NFL. He's only 24 years old. He's younger than Dallas Goddard. It was when Dallas Goddard became the starting tight end for the Eagles. Dallas Goddard was 23 when he was drafted.

Kyle Pitts is going to be 25 next year. Kyle Pitts was very productive as a rookie. Had two injury plagued years. Had a bad year last year. It happened with good quarterback play last year, so you can't even blame the quarterback situation. I am not, I'm not moving on from my Kyle Pitts position. As I said, in my 25-step guide, I would call the Falcons to see what the price is for Kyle Pitts.

I don't believe, from what I've heard, the Falcons are looking to trade Kyle Pitts this year. We'll see. Okay, yards Perrette run over the past- I know what the stats tell you. I watch film, too. So, yeah. Okay. And you're telling me, I mean, that the 20th best tied to end

the past two years? I think it's gonna be an all pro and a hallfamer? There's a great Malcolm Gladwell conversation that he had that he had with Adam Grant, who works right over there. Adam Grant is outstanding. His new book coming out. Can't wait to read it, by the way. Boots on tuberculosis.

But. Let me see that thorn. Miles Gat, I'm sorry, Malcolm Gladwell was talking about typical performance versus optimum performance. And yes, I've heard you mention this. Yes. And Kyle Pitts at his optimum. Like 95 times. Is like when he's at his best.

If you say bottle that up, he can make that booty drop. There are a few players in the league who can do that. The typical performance is not, it's not much the right home about. You view it as a depressed asset. If you get him for a fourth round pick, I would be interested in Kyle. Pitts. I don't think the Falcons are moving on from it. Okay. What do you think? This was your prediction last year that they trade for Pitts.

Well, I said that I could see the Eagles doing this kind of thing. It wasn't a prediction that they will. Okay. But if it happens, we will rewind the tape and I won't take credit for it. Yes. Listen, he's the kind of player who the Eagles would be intrigued by because he was super highly thought of coming out. He's a young player. They can talk themselves into in this offense, he will have more opportunities, and there won't be as much asked of him. That's fine. I don't think that, I mean, depending on what whatever you would get for Dallas Goddard is, I don't think that trading away Dallas Goddard, bringing in Kyle Pitts, whatever the value is

there makes them that much better. You go from age 30 days. You go from guy in his age 30 season to a guy in his age 25 season. That's the big difference. Kyle Pitts. Well, the big difference is one guy can play tight end and one guy is a wide receiver uh cow pitts is not a wide receiver um he is a tight end he doesn't block as well as dallas goddard but there are things that he does really well i think he needs to do a better job finding soft spots and zones um but he look well you watch film so you tell me i think he could do a better job finding soft spots and zones but i think that there are parts of his game that can be refined but look i'll defer to fran franz in the chat Kyle Pitts was as clean of a prospect as there's been coming out in a long time.

And he was really productive as a rookie. He had a tough injury year two. Struggled coming back from that year three. I have no, I can't defend last year. Last year he was far too inconsistent. But you know what? That type of profile was discussed last year about a guy named Sequin Barkley. Sort of.

Yeah. I mean, Sequin wasn't nearly as, you know, he was most productive role earners career. He did have one year. I mean, Sequin had a much better track record than Kyle Pitts did. But he had injuries. He was a highly drafted player who, you... Yeah, that's why I think it is a profile that they would be interested in. Yeah.

But I believe more in Sequin. I'll put it this way. If Kyle Pitts was a free agent, I think the Eagles would be more apt to do it. I think the resistance here might not be from the Eagle side. I think the resistance could be from the Falcons side. I don't think the Falcons are trading him for mid-round. Either way, I'm putting, I'm moving him on over Charlton Reckons.

Hey, you don't have to convince me of that. Let's do it. Okay. Whatever. What? This is predictive. Yes. I mean, I'm saying I don't, but I, look, if the Falcons made him available, I think the Eagles

would be interested. Okay. I'll put it that way. Also, unlike, you know, the Falcons would save all the money if they traded him. So this isn't something where there's no contract. Like the Miles Garrett thing, the Browns would take a big cap. doesn't serve the Browns to trade him. The Falcons,

they can get out of $10 million by trading Kyle Pitts right now. Yeah. Okay. I'm moving on Pitts. We're going to go through, we're going to do a quick version here. Okay. Yeah, we don't need this. The second round.

Yeah, we very broke down the players. So we can, so that on tomorrow's show, we can just go in with the Sweet 16. Okay. Okay. So we go to the edge region. We go back to Khalil Mack

going up against Derek Barnett. to me this is a this is an easy one um and i do i think the calil mac thing is a is a real possibility now i think that the chargers having released joey bosa and created that room will probably make a big effort to bring calil mac back i have no sense of of what his interest is in staying or seeking out the market uh i've heard interviews with calil mac talking about how much he he liked um vangio and you know him and fan you know he was very productive for fanio And you know what Fangio thought of him because the Bears traded two firsts to go get Killeo Mack.

And that bear's defense was the defense Eagles played in the playoffs in the 2018 season was awesome. And Kaleo Mack was their blue chip player. So yeah, I mean, I still think they would prefer Miles Garrett, but there's less resistance to getting Kaleo Mack. And if you're talking about Eagles like Nolan Smith, the Eagles like Jal X-Ox Hunt, you know, Calil Mac fits is kind of and if I think the Eagles are going to take

an edge rusher either first round or certainly first, you know, their top 60 pitch, you know, with one of their first two picks, I think they go edge rusher. So Kalil Mack makes sense as even like a placeholder while you develop that guy. Yeah, I don't, I'm not, I mean, you cannot operate as if you know you're going to take a position,

especially when you are that late in the draft, right? There are so many variables. So to me, what makes sense about Khalil Mack is if you're just thinking about that versus Miles Garrett, like if we want to add a great edge rusher, a veteran edge rusher to this team, if we can sign up for Khalil Mack now and that means we can't sign Miles Garrett or trade for Miles Garrett, that probably makes sense because there's still obviously no guarantee you're going to be able to do the other thing and you don't want to be left with neither of them. So I do think that Khalil Mack makes some sense. I know you've

done work on this in the past. Is it fair to say as rushers age better than other positions? Like you're not as concerned about the age profile for Khalil Mack as you are like an old corner. Yeah, I think the less they have to play in space that is better. I think that bears out. And also, we know that the Eagles

in their past have not been too worried about the age at that position. Although Robert Quinn didn't work out. Certainly did not. All right, next up, Joseph Osai against Dio O'Dingo. Joseph Osai, of course, the edge rush from the Bengals and Odingbo,

the guy who can play a little bit of both defensive tackle and defensive end, but will cost significantly more money. Yeah, I'm seeing more reports out now that Odingbo is a guy who's going to get paid. And so I think Odingbo's the better fit, the better player. But given the fact that the Eagles just paid

for Zach Bonn, I think O'Sai probably makes more sense from a cost perspective, but I'm okay going to Odingo because Eagles do, I mean, I think this bond cap number is going to be low, relatively speaking. So I think the Eagles will be a position to add like an $8 million guy, $10 million a year guy. Yeah, I think I feel the same way.

I think Odingbo is like borderline an ideal fit, but I think probably more expensive than they're willing to spend there. And Osai would be a guy that you can add to the rotation. I see here in the, I know we're only supposed to read it if they're super chats, but Mac only makes sense. This is from J. Chort. Mac only makes sense that BG doesn't come back. I don't think B. I don't think Brennan's coming back.

I think Brennan's going to retire. Interesting. We'll see. I feel like you were a little bit more on the fence about that a week ago. No, not a week ago. Before the Super Bowl, I was a little bit more on the fence. Since then, I think Brandon Graham's going to retire. Okay.

Now, last year, this is when we heard. That's true. Jason Kelsey and Fletcher Cox, right? It's true. So theoretically, we would be hearing any time if that were the case. True. True. No, he is, you know, as...

Could we keep the show going? As Derek Gunn said on 975 this week, and this, you know, you saw him at the Sixers game, he re-tore that triceps. That's crazy, man. I do know that's the case, so, you know, he is recovering right now. So there's also a part of this where, like, he's actually still, you know, when you have an injury, you still kind of go to the team for... So I don't know how that affects things because it might be like an injury settlement and that.

So, yeah, so I don't know how that's going to work. Interesting. Joe wants to know what date you think he's going to retire. You know what? I'm going to quit while in my head on the on, on that one, Joe. Yeah, he's a married man. He doesn't need to be dating anymore. Next up.

No, no, you should always take your wife on dates, right? You never, yeah, I'll never stop going on dates with my wife. Amen. Next up, Malcolm Coontz, the young edge rusher, who had a breakout season a year ago and then missed the entire 2014 season with an injury. Potential chance to get a guy

who's ascending for less than he might otherwise go for. Going up against the Bull Wolf stamp of approval Anthony Nelson from the Tampa Bay Bucks. So I've learned in six years doing a show with you. Don't disagree on things when you feel strongly about a player.

But this is me liking the player, not saying that the you guys are going to be interested. like the Coons profile better, but I'm okay going. Like, I don't feel strong enough enough. This was Malcolm Jenkins. I'm pounding the table. Malcolm Coons, I'm not pounding the table. So I'll defer to you on this one.

You going, Nelson? I don't know. I think this one is probably, I don't think the Eagles would pay for Malcolm Coons. I think Coons is going to go for real money. You think so, even off the injury? Yeah. Just because that's like, there's only so many guys in this market.

Fair. I think he's going to get, I don't know. 13 million? Oh, then Anthony Nelson for sure. So I'm going Anthony Nelson. I think he'll be cheaper. And then we get to continue him moving on. Next up, Joe Tryon Shoyanka, also from the bucks against Aziz O.

Jolari. I'm going to Zee's here. Oh, you think they might go, I mean, he's going to get paid. He is. Well, look, I've learned not to trust all these contract projections because they were off on bond. But if he's a sub-10 million-dollar-year player, It makes a lot of sense for the Eagles. I agree.

I would be pretty surprised if he's sub 10. I've seen some projections, 2.15. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I would take that. Yeah, me too. I mean, now, now, Tryon has the drop ability that we talked about. Yeah. I'll defer to you on this one, too.

I think Aziz O'Jolari, let's, you know, I can already see the, you know, while all our guys played with him in Georgia. We know this guy. Oh, yeah. So let's go. His parents bet in Philly. Yeah. Okay.

Next up, Jvon Hargrave against Barron, This one's tearing out your heartstrings. Do you go bow jangles or do you go you get to look like a profit again? I'm not trying to look like a profit. I'm just trying to do my job. Speaking of looking like a profit, did you see the other news in the NFL today? No, and I don't know where you're going with this.

I mean, I probably saw the news, but I don't know the transition. What's the news? It's about a restricted free agent tender. No, I didn't see this. The New England Patriots. Oh, okay. I did see this. Christian Ellis,

the right of first refusal. Yes. Three and a half million dollars. Yeah, what do you think? Here's what I think. I am not saying... I need to be home by five. I'm just saying, so it's 315.

I'm not saying that Christian Ellis would have been Zach Bonn if he were on the Eagles defense last year. Yeah, I'm saying that. You are saying, you're saying that he would have been Zach Bonn? No, that he would not have been Zach Bonn. Yeah, I'm saying he... I'm not saying that he would have been. Oh, you did the double negative.

But what I am saying is that if Christian Ellis were correctly not released from the Eagles in 2023, we would never have seen this version of Zach Bonn because Christian Ellis, next to the Kobe Dean, would have been good enough in Vic Fangio's defense that we would have never seen that side of Zach Bonn. And so in a way, I do believe you could make a case that Christian Ellis was sacrificed so that the rest of the Eagles could see salvation. So I'm not saying he's a Christ-like figure, but I'm saying, we're such a person to reveal themselves and be focused on getting the Eagles a Super Bowl, this is what he would look like. Awesome. But you're doing an emergency show on it?

I feel like I've been very nice this episode to you. I don't know why I'm getting the attitude. Yeah, Christian L is good for him. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's a good contract. It's a good contract. I'm curious to see if a, if a team gives him a deal on the, uh, and, uh, the Patriots have you think Shaq Leonard's going to get that money this year? I do not. Okay.

Shack Leonard's not playing. Jayvonne Hargrave or Baron Browning? Uh, Baron Browning here. Yeah, I'm going Baron Browning. I, I do think, you think Baron Browning even with Zach Bonback? Yes, uh, because I, I stand by kind of what I stand by what I said the other day. I think Baron Browning, in the role that they signed Zach Bonn in last year.

I think in this hybrid role makes sense. Now, Baron Browning might want a starting job, but I don't know how many teams are evaluating Baron Browning as an inside backer. And so I think it makes a lot of sense here. And by the way, like, I know it's a different spot than being the Coburn Dean spot, but I don't know when the Copa Dean's going to be back.

And so Baron Browning, the Eagles can use different packages. They were talking about that was Zach Bond last year, right? And I think before, you know, because Browning, even though the edge rush numbers aren't, like, they don't jump out to you as you documented in your top 100 piece, I think that he has experience doing that. He has experience playing inside. There's good physical characteristics there. So I think Baron Browning makes a lot of sense in the exact Bond role that they signed him last year. I think people, I shouldn't say people forget, but like Devin White was thought to be the starting backer last year when the Eagle signed him, right? it was going to be white and deep.

By us and by the general populace, not by Vic Fangio. No, but I think by Howie Roseman. I mean, based on the money that was distributed. Yeah, but not by Vic Fangio. Yeah. So I'm saying, but when Howie signed Baron Browning, it was, I'm sorry, when maybe Freudian slipped there, right?

When Howie signed Zach Bond, it was to be this kind of versatile role. Yeah, I think actually one of the lessons from this season of Vic Vanjo is that the idea that he would want to play multiple packages and have guys coming in and out is wrong. I think his ideal version of the defense is to not have to substitute at all. And that's part of the beauty of what Zach Bonn allowed him to do. So I think if they evaluate Baron Browning as better than Orrin Burks, then maybe they'll sign him.

But I don't think, I don't know that I think they're going to do that. And I also don't think, like you said, the thing about, like just because you know a guy doesn't mean you want the guy. Sure. You know, Baron Browning's career so far does not suggest to me that the Eagles are going to sign him to be their week one starting linebacker until Nacobie Dean comes back. Okay. So we can go Javon, and if they sign Baron Browning, I feel good about it. But, yeah, Javon makes a lot of sense because he can play backup nose.

I think I saw today he got the clean build health note that they sent out the teams. I'd like Javon. I'm good with Javon moving on. But I think... I'm not making the case for Javon. I'm just trying to have the Baron Browning conversation. Yeah, and I stand by what I said. I think that role, even if it's,

because it's not, like you're looking at it like a starting role. I don't think they would sign Baron Browning to be a starting linebacker for them. I think they'd sign Baron Browning to be the third, fourth player. And, you know, he can help you on the edge if you need it. He can help, you know, if Zach Bond goes down, he can potentially fill that role. I think that their linebackers right now are,

well, Zach Bond, of course, then Jeremiah Trader Jr., Dallas Gant, then Nacobo Dean and Ben Van Sumer coming off injury. I don't know if, you know, they could bring back Warren Burks, but I don't know what Nicopa Dean status is going to be.

Kobe sounded confident, but there's a chance that starts the season on Pup. There's a chance that... I would be shocked if he doesn't. Yeah, there's a chance that Ben Van Zumeren either starts a season on Pup or doesn't look the same this.

summer. Right? And so I also think where I'll push, but I agree with you that that Vic doesn't want to have a lot of substitutions. I do think that this defense can continue to evolve. One thing that you know, you know, Vic was talking about like some of the blitzing concepts in year one. And I think with, I think that can improve your two. I think there are things that Vic can, he can take this defense to 2.0, so to speak. And so, yeah, I think a guy like Brown, Browning who can play multiple spots is valuable for them. I'm going to, I'm going to advance Baron Browning less because of the Baron Browning argument, no offense.

And just because I think Javont and Hargrave is going to get too much money. Interesting. Good for Javon. He's going to get like $9 million, $10 million? And he wasn't very good in San Fran. I know. But so. I don't know.

But, hey, I'm good with, I'm good with Baron Browning moving on. Okay. Asante Samuel Jr. against Jaron Reed. Assante Samuel Jr. But Jaron Reed's older. Yeah, this one I'm going to Jaron Reed. All right, that's fine with me.

I mean, I don't know if they're going to say, I guess if Isaiah Rogers leaves, they would sign a corner. I think they like Kili Ringo more than the fan base likes Keeley. I agree with you. Yeah. And that's why, yeah, I think I could see Jaron Reed as the one year as the one year

mercenary defensive tackle. Benjamin Santa Justa. People in Montreal do not talk like that. I just want to make clear. Okay, I feel like I. They do not. I have a lot of family in Montreal. My mother is from Montreal.

I've never heard my mother go, I spoke to my grandmother recently. Tom Mamon. Excuse me. Tom Mamon. I don't know what you're saying. You went to and not voo for her? Doesn't she deserve the Vuf?

Tom. I don't speak French. I know Je ma'amapel Zach. I adore Le Francé. Yeah, but no, I've spent a lot of time in Montreal A lot of time I've never heard someone go Oh my home

Matter of fact, some people might find that offensive No Zutalor Anyways, Benjamin San Jose Who's he going against? Turchon Warden Ooh So this could

I'm not going to For your mom overview I'm going to for you overview Ah, okay You can use the two-form with me. Yeah, I would hope so. Yes, okay. Okay.

I like that you were offended, though, that I was being too familiar with Mrs. Berman. So I am going, I guess St. Juice here. I mean, Wharton placed a position that I think they prioritize more. But I don't know. What do you think? You know, Fran told me on St. Juice the other day. So that's a guy who would make sense for the Eagles.

Who said that? Fran on Tuesday show. He said he wasn't as good of a fit, didn't he? He said stylistically. I thought he said he was. Fran's watching right now. My best French connection came from the French. I guess I got, I mean, I did take, look.

It's not either or, Fran, okay? All right, go on. Remo says, I've been to Montreal plenty of times, and I feel like I'm right back there when Bo does that impression. Spot on. Wow, okay. All right. Where you went in Montreal, Remell?

I think I'm going to go... You're going to go Wharton? I think I'm going to go St. Juist. Okay, good. Again, I think Wharton is young enough that he's going to get... I think he's going to get multiple years of guarantee money and I don't think Diego's going to do that.

Fair enough. Okay, so Benjamin St. Juice, uh, ho-huh. Alley! Sorry, Benjamin. Now, here... Oh, okay. Friends said he's not a great fit. Yeah, not a great fit.

Nick Bolton, Malik Harrison. I think we can just go ahead and move on Malik Harrison here as you get a phone. Oh, he's watching clips of himself. No, I don't know. I'm not watching clips of myself. He was watching clips of himself. Okay. The Eagles are not going to sign Nick Bolton, obviously, after having just signed Zach Bond.

So they're probably not going to sign Malik Harrison either, but he moves on. Mike Harrison, though, does have the, um, the Baron Browning inside outside. Yes. So I think Baron Brown has played that position more recently than 2022. Yeah. Jedrick Wills against Elijah Moore. Jedric Wills as the Mackay Bechton 2.0.

Okay. Do you disagree? No, I think I agree. I think it's almost too obvious after the McKaye Bechton thing. But I, yeah, I mean, as much as we like the A.J. Brown and Elijah Moore connection, I think let's probably go,

Grettec Wills there. Rahim Mostert against Tommy Tremble. Hmm. I'm going Mostert here. I like Tremble more. By the way, I meant to put in Trey Hendrickson into the trade one. That's who I meant to put in for Sheldon Rankins.

And it seems like there's been a report that the Bengals have given him permission to seek a trade, which makes sense after they, after they franchise tag T. Higgins. I was just watching that Eagles Bengals game this morning, actually. He meant's crunch and film. So,

I think that one is where less of a fit, Trey Hendrickson, than the Miles Garrett. So Raheim Moster, Tommy Trembal. I'm going Moster because I can see, like, Trembles your boy, I thought. Tremba was my boy, but Tramble would be if they moved on from Goddard. So two things need to happen, right?

Yeah. You need to move on from the player and then you need to sign the player. I know we were talking about Tremba while saying this yesterday. I spoke to someone in Carolina who has a good beat on the Trembal market who suggested a one-year deal is going to be what it's going to take for Tommy Trembal. It's going to be like a one-year show-me deal. Vince checks in with the super chat to say. is Trey Hendrickson worth a look?

To me, that is, that is, that is much less likely than any of the, you know, like the Miles Garrett level, because he's, he's much older. We're talking three years, but like much more ready to hit that decline phase. He's still going to require a bunch of new money. And I don't think the Egos are going to do that for him. Agreed. And it's also going to take draft compensation. I think they'd be more apt to sign a free agent like a Cleo Mac, as we were talking about,

then if you're talking about that age profile, then Trey Hendrickson. Yeah. I think if, if Trey Hendrickson was 26, it'd be a different conversation. Javante Williams against John Bates. John Bates,

Franz or John Bates guy? Yeah, a friend did like John Bates. Yes. Yeah, I'll go John Bates too as the blocking tight end. Javante Williams does kind of strike me as an Eagles type signing. I could see that as the new number two,

but I think they like Shippley enough that they won't prioritize that. So let's go John Bates. Yeah, no, I think Will Shippley's going to be the number two. next year. Well, you thought it was going to be the number two last year, too. I did, and I was wrong.

Larry Borum or Ben Cleveland. He was number two in the NBA championship. All right, one that was not really, just number two, Russia. Okay. Wait, Larry Boer. Pound your chest about that. Watch some more clips of yourself. Larry Boreham or Ben Cleveland.

I wasn't watching clips of myself. I was supporting P.HL.Y. I'm a proud member of P. H.L. I mean, clearly, you've been sending the clip around. Matt Gilb got it from you. He actually didn't get that clip that. He didn't get our short. Yeah, no, he got something.

I was showing him that I mentioned his, his birth. on the show. That's what it was. But, yeah, no, I'm, I love when there's a clip of me on PHLI. I don't see it very often. All right, John, let's go John Bates. The question was Larry Borenum or Ben Cleveland.

Okay, let's go Ben Cleveland, Georgia. Yeah, I could see Ben, I could actually really see Ben Cleveland as a stout, big monster guy. Yeah. All right. Four more matchups. then we can get out of here. Miles Garrett or Isaac Seymalo.

Miles Garrett. I agree. Michael Mayor, your tight end is a wonderland, or Kendall Fuller. I mean, two things need to happen for Michael Mayer, but I still think that's, I'm still going Michael Mayer. I agree with you. Yeah. Yeah. Because I do think he's going to get traded this offseason. Tight end napalm. John Franklin Myers or Draymond Jones. Oh, this is a good Zach match. Yeah, Draymond. I'm pounding the table for Drayman. on. And the compact form was a big part of this as well. Okay. Well, far be it for me to argue with a table pound. Yes. Finally, Traylon Burks against Kyle Pitts. Traylon Burks, I would say, I mean,

I'll defer to you on that matchup. I actually think Kyle Pitts is more like. I don't think they have any interest in Traylon Burks. All right. Let's, let's, I'm happy to go Kyle Pitts. All right. So on tomorrow's show, we will whittle down and crown a champion and give a one shining moment to one of the following 16 finalists. Khalil Mack, Dio O'Dingbo, Anthony Nelson, Aziz O'Jolari,

Jvon Hargrave, Jaron Reed, Benjamin, St. Justa. That's not how they speak in Montreal. Malik Harrison, Elijah Moore, Tommy Trembal.

I'm sorry, no, Jedrick Wills, and Rahim Moster. I messed up my color coding. John Bates, Ben Cleveland, Miles Garrett, Michael Mayer, Draymond Jones, Kyle Pitts. There we go. Can't wait for tomorrow. It's going to be exciting.

You seem pretty eager to leave. No, by the way, so you know how I read all the comments. I just found out something last week. You know, there's now, this might have always been the case, but I just learned about this. There are. Joe is asking for in May for us to do a bracket of American Pie characters. There are there are Spotify episode comments. Did you know this?

Oh God. What a terrible development for your life. Has that always been the case or is that new? I don't know. I'm not Bob Spotify. Wow. Okay. Yeah. So I'm reading now those comments as well. But leave comments on YouTube. Leave comments on iTunes or not iTunes. Now it's Apple Podcast. leave comments on Spotify, leave comments on message boards. I'm eager to find...

Well, you tell people where you live, they can just lob over handwritten comments. I definitely won't do that, but you can email me at Zach at all, Ph.LY.com anytime. There you go. All right. Good stuff. That'll do it for this episode of the PHLY Eagles podcast.

We're back tomorrow, 2 o'clock, to conclude quackatology and react to whatever other Eagles news develops as we prepare for Monday at noon when the league year begins and we are live with Fran Duffy in studio for three hours from 12 to 3. At least we'll see what happens.

So we're looking forward to that for all of us here at PHLY. We thank you for listening and watching. We will talk to you tomorrow. And as always, we love you.