PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - As Eagles look to get passing game on track, could DeVonta Smith BREAK OUT this week?

Episode Date: October 2, 2025

A.J. Brown has been the topic of conversation around the Eagles this week, but DeVonta Smith needs the ball too as Jalen Hurts, Saquon Barkley, Nick Sirianni and Kevin Patullo look to get the offense on track against the Denver Broncos Sunday. How can the Eagles go about doing that against Patrick Surtain? Fran Duffy breaks down the Broncos matchup and joins EJ Smith and Bo Wulf for the next round of Swooper. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, live from the Xfinity Studio. I'm presented by our friend. Of course, at Bet365 and Ashley, this is the P.H.O.Y. Eagles podcast, Bowulf, Brand Duffy, E.J. Smith, in studio. Much to discuss. We heard from A.J. Brown and J.L. Hertz yesterday. Everything is fine. Don't worry about it. We're going to preview Eagles Broncos, a tough test for a passing game that needs to get untracked. Maybe a matchup of two of the best corners in football. Lots of good stuff. How are you doing, Fran?

Doing great. It's a fun game to break down once again. Denver's a feisty team, good defense. It's going to be a fun show. E.J., how the heck are you? I'm doing well. Yeah, a big, busy day at the Novacare Complex yesterday. Got lots to talk about, so excited to get into it.

Let's get right into it, Mr. Smith. And that, of course, will make it the big deal. Presented by Cherry Hill, Kia. Much consternation. you know, the S-sters of the Philadelphia media saying that there's, you know, frustration in the Eagles locker room. What are they talking about?

This team is undefeated. Everything is fine with A.J. Brown and J.L.Hertz, is that the impression that you got? I mean, I think it's a little bit more complicated than that. But what I can tell you is that A.J. Brown came out and spoke yesterday. I don't know if I've ever seen a player have a, I mean, I can't call it a prepared statement necessarily. It's not like you read from a piece of paper, but, I've never seen a player have an opening statement in a media scrum in the locker room, the way that AJ did.

He came out and wanted to immediately address the cryptic message he put on social media. So I can read you the quote. He says, obviously Sunday after the game, I let my frustrations boil over. I didn't speak to the media. I had a chance to correct my frustrations and I continued to let it boil over. That's on me. I take full accountability on that. My message on Twitter wasn't directed at anyone in the building, not coaches or the quarterback.

The GM, nobody. I take full accountability. Okay. He went on to say that him and that Nick face timed him on Monday when they weren't in the building. He says he has an open line of communication with Kevin Patullo. He was later asked about the level of communication that he has with Jalen Hertz. Okay. And the quarterback.

Yeah, the quarterback. The quarterback. As he put it. And he said that that they talk about how to get things right. They talk in meetings. They're always talking in meetings. Okay. I mean, I don't want to do this.

We can't make every show about this, but I mean, come on. What is that? They don't talk outside of meetings. He's calling him the quarterback. What I would say with a lot of this stuff is that there's room for interpretation. Sure. And you have seen both sides of the interpretation. But there's a lot of subtext here.

Oh, absolutely. And there's, I mean, this has happened each of the last three years. So it feels. And guess what? They won the Super Bowl last year. Yeah. And that's fine. Exactly.

They don't have to like each other to be a successful football team. I think the thing that stood out to me after it, after hearing from both him and we can get into what Jalen said too, there is a lot of room for interpretation. And I think we've seen people go the other way where they go, wipe your hands of it,

it's squashed, we're good. And then you've also seen it on the flip side where it is people speculating the space that they leave, they leave space for interpretation on maybe things not being as rosy as others want to believe it is. I think the biggest thing for the team, for the leaders of the locker room, for the coaching staff, if it's just Jalen and AJ and it's like, hey, those guys aren't best friends and that's okay,

that's fine. I think that is a tenable situation. That's acceptable. What you don't want is that crack to like spread into a fisher. and then, like, when you have the division. Well, everybody's picking sides. That's where things, where it becomes an unsustainable situation. Okay, and so what did Jalen say?

So Jalen was asked about his relationship with the- friend. How worried are we about the development? The kids here. Yeah, it's playing a game while our Sixers crew is watching the preseason game. I feel like, I wish that they weren't doing that. Might require a trip out there. What did Jailen say?

So Jalen when asked about AJ and their relationship said, it's good. And then he was asked to expand on that. And he said, we share a great passion for this game and we're focused on this week. Other quotes from Jalen on AJ Brown's social media post in general, I'm not going to analyze or speculate on it. I think he's always one to contribute and that remains onward. Everybody is focused on trying to get better. Everyone is present here trying to improve. And then I did find it interesting.

he was asked if him and AJ have more conversations after a game like Sunday when there is frustration. And he said, we just focus on the work. Okay. And was he asked about Devante as well? He was asked about if Devante is frustrated because he has even fewer targets than AJ this season. And Jalen said you'd have to ask Devante. He later said, I mean, I think generally he was saying that they are all trying to improve the offense and that they are moving in that direction. I mean, listen, like Jalen doesn't always.

gratify questions that he doesn't have a lot of time for. Sure. So there is that interpretation of that. Sure. But yeah, especially. He doesn't want to indulge this either. Yeah, but in light of the way that things have gone in, I mean,

I think one of the biggest things that I took away from A.J. Brown's comments yesterday, he didn't really hide from the fact that he has been frustrated all season. He is still frustrated. And to me, it's like he addressed it. And I do think it was important that he addressed it because of the way, that it makes in the locker room and his awareness of those waves. But it's not like he left this in like a, this is a resolved thing. To me, it's kind of right back where it was before the Bucks game, after the Bucks game.

Again, maybe it's not as inflammatory because there isn't so much scrutiny to come from like a social media post that's cryptic like that. But I do think that we are still in a, we were still where we were last week. AJ has, and I said like, you know, he said his frustrations boiled over. it's not like those frustrations went anywhere it's not like that it's not like those frustrations are fixed i think that's going to have to happen on the field it's probably also going to have to happen behind the scenes and then working toward making the making it happen on the field uh and that is still to be determined you know that's still an incomplete uh i guess like

the story hasn't been written on that it's hard uh fran because in this situation i mean the way that he's talking and again we're we're just reading subtext it's seen you know obviously there was frustration with Jalen. To me, watching this season, I feel like Jailen is playing at a very high level. If I was AJ, my frustration would not be with Jalen.

It would be with the route concepts and stuff like that. So I don't know, maybe the interpretation is Jalen has a heavier hand in that than we thought. It's more just interpersonal dynamics. I don't know. How do you read that? To me,

I was sitting back and I was thinking about this yesterday. I was like, if I told you that offensively, Jalen Hurts was going to be playing probably as clean of football as we've seen him play over a stretcher of the regular season. But A.J. Brown was going to be off to a historic poor start from a production standpoint. Devante Smith would have the fewest catches and targets and yards that he's ever had to start a season in the first four games. And Sequin Barclay would yet to hit 90 yards rushing in a single game. You'd be like, how is that possible? It's a weird offense right now.

It's a weird offense right now. And there's lots of layers to it. We've talked about those layers. I would say the difference between like this year and like because everyone, I think there are a lot of fans and I get it. There's like the fatigue over this conversation. Sure. Number one, I thought you put it best on Tuesday when you said, no, like we're not just

making this up. Like this is something that this is being talked about in the building. Yes. Number one. And then number two, it's not just a rinse, rinse repeat from last year because you this thing compounds. It's not, you're not starting at zero. Piled on top of the stuff that came before.

So like, you know, if this is where, if this is where the starting point is, and you go back to like even just, it's week four and they're undefeated. Yeah, like week one, we were saying like, oh, like is AJ hurt? Like, I don't know. Like it doesn't like look great.

Like the fact that we've been having this conversation for the first four weeks of the year, yeah, like not great. Not great. I do want to point out what I thought was one of AJ's most insightful answers yesterday is and what I think really cuts to the root of his frustration, which is kind of the why behind why he wants the football. I think we sometimes simplify that to why receivers want the ball, but I thought it was interesting

hearing exactly like what drives him in a game and why he is so frustrated. So he says, I don't think it's a bad thing to want the ball. It's not just for targets or anything to put up, put numbers up. I see that we're struggling and I'm a guy that wants the ball in those times. when we can't find a way, give it to me. When the game is on the line, give the ball to me. I want that, I want that pressure. He went on to say, that's where you see the frustration

because that hunger comes out. If I see we're struggling, I believe that if you give the ball, if you give the ball to me, I'm going to open up things and get things going, put it on my back. And I honestly think he's got a point there. Like, I think that the Eagles offense, because we spent a lot of time talking about the lack of identity with this Eagles offense.

They don't really know what they can lean. on when they are going, when they've gone three and out a few times in a row in a game, what is the, what is the easy button? You know, what is the thing that you can just hit and say, we're going to get six, seven yards, and we're going to get rolling? We've seen A.J. Brown be that driving force before. Obviously, coming into the season, I thought he was going to be that driving force for this offense. And that's what he's been advocating for. The fact that it hasn't happened is a little surprising to me. And I think that they really kind of need him to be that player that he's advocating to be.

And what makes that even more difficult is that like, that's the way Jalen's wired. That's the way Devantes wired. That's the way Sequan's wired. And last year when there was like, lot to that's way he's wired. Of course. But I think when you're looking at this group and you say like, all right, well, why, why can't they just do what they did a year ago and they are able to just move on? Last year they were having success.

They were scoring points. They were moving the ball. Like they were, they were one of the top offenses in football. If you're still having these struggles and everyone's, looking around and saying like, oh, well, it's not like we're moving the ball and feeling good as a team. It's tough to move on and say like, okay, yeah, like I feel satisfied with what we just did. And it's so crazy because we have seen the high. I mean, three of the eight halves they've played, they've been awesome.

Yep. Three of the four of the eight halves they've played have been terrible. And then one's been just kind of mediocre. Yeah, I don't have an answer. But I don't think that this is going away necessarily. Yeah. Not until, if they keep playing the way they're playing, it's not going away. It's going to get worse.

So for the record, Jordan Milata on how the Eagles locker room has responded, again, I just to placate those who want this to go away and want to say like, this is, you know, this is nothing, this is going to get, they're going to move on and they're going to be fine. Milata says, I think for us, we've turned the page. We're focusing on Denver this week. Last week's drama is last week's drama. Have we addressed it as teammates? Yes, but we're going to keep that in-house.

As far as the rest of the locker room, we're moving on to this week. All right. Well, let's do that as well. Let's move on to this week and we'll get into the Eagles Broncos matchup on the other side after this word from our sponsors. Really nice to see Francis here today.

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says just from a human perspective, it's kind of sad they were best friends and clearly don't have the same relationship anymore. That's a great point. agree more. Yeah. It is sad. It's a shame.

I feel like I texted one of you two about that. No. Like there is a human element to this that is, I mean, just very human, you know, like. Yeah. And for it to play out publicly too. Yeah. I mean, we all have friendships that go by the wayside, whether it's just, you know, you just don't talk anymore or it's or it's something more dramatic than that.

But yeah, like when they trade for A.J. Brown, it's like they got my best friend. They got the godfather of my first born child. Yeah. Or vice versa. I'm joining the godfather of my firstborn child. Three years later, it's like they barely talk. Yeah, that's tough. Yeah.

Good point. Yeah. Yeah, that's sad. Epion zero. It's been three years. Why are they still figuring it out with AJ? Petulow has been here the whole time as past game coordinator. I think it goes back to every year.

Your team has a new identity, new strengths, all that stuff. and when you have a new coordinator, especially a new play caller, there's going to be a feeling out period. And, yeah, they're, I don't know what that, like, I don't have,

I don't know what the answers are, but clearly they are to use the quote, the question, like they're still trying to figure it out. Now, listen, they, I mean, they don't have Vic Fangio in the offensive staff.

Right. But they are allowed to see what they have for the first four weeks and maybe, you know, reimagined some things, as Vic did last season. I'm curious from talking to Nick about this

whether they have time to step back yet or whether they can't feasibly be done until after the Thursday night Giants game next week you get the mini buy, maybe you can do a little bit of something then because there's just not enough hours in the day but yeah I mean they're allowed to get better what was worse the defense performance through the first four weeks last year or the offense performance through first four weeks this year

that's a good question I think the defense was more consistently bad last year than the opposite. Yes, but I would say this is more disappointed. This is more, I mean, more... Because there's money attached to it. And because there should be, like, there's holdovers here, there's consistency.

Like last year was an entirely new... It's fair. Or like an entirely new coordinator. And they were the worst defense in football for the second half of the season. Yeah, talent adjusted. It's probably the offense this season. All right.

Next up, CDP. Jalen and Nick had an interview with Chris Berman. Is this the first time Jalen or Nick has ever been asked questions from a guy with the last name Berman. Interesting. We'll have to ask our new GM if he's ever talked to Nick or Jalen.

Is that the only Berman you're familiar with? I know Josh. I know Matt. I know Alex. I know Nick and I know Jenna. Emily? I know Emily. Happy belated birthday to Emily Burma.

Reed. Reed. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Good crew of those of those bermers. Aaron says,

Conspiracy. Offense is vet savvy, led by L.J. and L.D. They're protesting the news reported by PTF about ownership by skipping halves at a time. AJ disagrees and is the one guy not in protest. Okay. I mean, I'm in for a conspiracy theory. Are you? Some.

How do we feel about what's going on up there? Should I go check? I think they're playing ping pong right now. But I don't want them to distract the people who are actually doing work. No, what's some. Handsome riches out there working, you know, Kyle's out there. Yeah, ask Brenna if it's if it's, if it's distracting. And that we are willing to tell them to stop doing what they're doing.

All right. Which side of the ball would you like to do for? I guess let's stick with the Eagles offense. Yeah, let's do that. A Denver defense that has some real high-end talent. Yep. What's the scouting report on this Vance Joseph group that I think? we know is generally a little bit more man-heavy than most.

Yeah, they've been one of the best defenses in football for the last year and change. You go back to the beginning of last year. And the basic identity of this Vance Joseph defense is that they are extremely blitz-heavy and they are a high-volume man-coverage unit. Now, they will throw change-ups. And I think this past week is a good example of that against Jake Browning and the Cincinnati Bengals. And I would imagine that this week we'll probably see some change-ups there.

I would be surprised if they said, you know what, we are just going, based off what you've seen from Jalen Hertz so far this year, we're going to go heavy blitz and all-man coverage. That would surprise me. I do think you'll see more man coverage than what the Eagles have seen this year. And I think they're going to Blitz, but I don't think it'll be up to their normal standards. You mentioned the blue chip talent.

Pat Sertan, best corner in football. You think just blanket, you're willing to go there? Yeah, he's the best. He's outstanding. There were some numbers from last week. And obviously, look, Jake Browning, not Joe Burrow, but he was matched up against Jamar Chase last week. Let me pull it up real quick.

Jamar Chase last week, no catches in 10 matchups in man-to-man, one catch for eight yards on three targets in the entire day. Just outstanding. He's never matched up against AJ in the NFL. They matched up one time in college. AJ Brown had a season low four receptions for 34 yards back in 2018. So yeah, I'm actually, actually fascinated to see what their approach.

You want to go give them the spiel? I'm actually very interested to see what the approach will be from Vance Joseph in this game. And I guess a lot of it has to do, will be determined by like, okay, what is their awareness for all of the goings-on with this passing game, like from a dynamic standpoint? My guess is they're pretty in tune. The pro scow out there is going to have his... They've been reading all-pho-o-com.

Yeah. They're probably going to be aware of what's going on there. So I think when you're looking at it, yeah, you would say it makes sense. Sartan should go on AJ. Then you have Riley Moss will match up against Devante Smith. Riley Moss is like big physical press corner instinctive good ball skills. I actually think that he is more like physically able to hold up with AJ from a physical standpoint.

And I'd rather have Sartan go up against Devante. Devante is leading in targets. I think that's something that we could see from them is they could say, we're going to put Sartan on Devante and then Riley Moss, you go compete with A.J. Brown and however many targets we think he's getting it.

If they got a pivot, you got to pivot. I'm fascinated to see which way they go there. Yeah, I mean, it's funny, like, thinking about some of the machinations of the Eagle secondary and, like, shading coverages the other way. Do you feel like that is on the table if they do have Riley Moss over A.J.?

Or do you think that it is as simple as, like, prove it. Like, prove that you will throw the football to A.J. Brown one-on-one situations. I think that that's, it would not shock me if that's the approach they took early on in the game. So Vince Joseph,

his team content is what you're telling us. Yeah. I mean, and also like if AJ, if he can't get the ball against Riley Moss, he might blow up the stadium. Here's my thing, though. Riley Moss is not like a bad corner.

Oh, we know that, but like AJ. I know. Of course. AJ's not going to feel the same way. It's pretty good. Physical, you know, the instincts are good.

The ball skills are excellent. So I think that that, that will be interesting. They play a lot of sub package. So Jaquan McMillan, number 29, is the third corner in their regular nickel package. And so he'll play inside and outside. They move these guys around because if you're a certain, like they, Quinion Mitchell doesn't travel into the slot.

Patrick Zertan will travel into the slot with whoever he is shadowing. So if you're going to do that, that means that your nickel corner has to be able to go outside. So McMillan does that. Spent a lot of time. I watched every single coverage snap from Jada Barron. I want to see like All right what's the usage here Because if you're just tuning in

You thought he was the worst player in the draft I did not think he was the worst player in the draft I thought that he was severely overdraft Yes I liked the player But the value is where I thought this player Would detain you know I didn't think that that matched up

Here's how Jod A Baron is used He's the third corner and they go penny package Big Nickel corner I'm about to bury the guy And he's their dime DB He doesn't play in the regular nickel package That's McMillan I spoke with our friends at DNVR on two separate shows this week and asked,

do you think Joday Barron is going to be taking over at any point soon? They're like, I don't think so. Yeah. So he's their, he's a nice little piece in their secondary. He's a good football player. He's cute. Good for him.

For carving out of role in the NFL. Do you have Fran's film notes up in front of you right now? No, I don't. Fran, I want you to be honest about the last sentence in here. Just let it, you know, just stand by it. Is he worth a top 20? pick because I said like yeah he's their

he's their fourth corner in dime he's a good player he's comfortable playing in the box he's physical he's competitive they'll put him up on the A gap and drop him out or they'll blitz him like he's had some good reps but he's not a full-time player so is that and he's like a he's a cravonne leblanc type

better better than that like like he you know like he he is like what tykey smith was for the for the for the bucks last year yeah and it's like okay like good player third round pick I just feel like that was a little bit of like dirt on that one

a good I mean you gotta take your chances yeah he was right to be fair this is one of the things that you were like furthest away from consensus about yeah I was been proven right so you deserve you deserve to puff out your chest and it's four games in his career like he could be there starting nickel next year but

in terms of like return on investment even that's also not worth the top of I look Cooper dejean went and second around and that's what he is not he's just he he's a good player he's not cooper de jean he's not Brian branch and I know that was a big topic of discussion

this spring but he's a nice player he'll he'll be out in the field a decent amount probably like 15 snaps or so in this game yeah I mean it's very funny

we can see the steam it's not steam I think this is like Fran like taking a whiff here he deserves to take a whiff here he deserves to take a whiff This is like France version of the NFL draft expert. Good analysis, like, good insight, but like, we know where you're coming from, and that's all right.

It's a good player. No, because I'm sure there, you know, there were, I'm sure that there were, you know, some random comments along the line of like, Frant, he doesn't know, ball. Johnny Burns is going to be a beast. Like, it's up now. Where are you at now? Nick Benito. Oh, I like the Nick Benito. So do you ever listen to Lori Berkner?

No. it's like there's Raffi and then there's Lory Berkner it's like that kind of that kind of music she got a great song that we listen to in the Wolfhouse Hall called Victor Vito Victor Vito and Freddie Basko made a burrito with

it's great song one of the best kids are and I mean Nick Bonito Victor Vito it's a perfect substitute it's like that's pretty good for you but us talking about Craveon LeBlanc made me think about your comic Jay Hill song.

Oh, one of the greats. Do you remember it? Do I remember it? Let's hear it. I can't do it. Put him on the spot. What am I? You're going to put a quarter of the machine?

I was just thinking about the song the other day because Francis was watching Despicable Me Four. Yep. And they play. Is that the bubble gum guy? Yeah, like his childhood. Yeah. Come on.

We got to hear it. I'll do it at some point today. I'm not going to do it when you ask for it. Yeah. There we go. Benito. Yeah. He's been extremely, he's been one of the best pass rushers in football over the last day.

Or comment below if you're a Victor Vito fan. Yes, please let us know. I'll be on the edge of my seat until then. He's had six pressures at least in every single game this year. One and a half sacks last week against the Bengals. His pressure rate per next gen stats is number one in the NFL. When you go back to watching him over the course of the last couple of years, he wins with the quick first step.

He's got length. He can turn the corner, but he also can win in the NFL. inside as well. He's going to get most of his snaps against Jordan Milata. Most of his snaps coming against the left tackle, but they will move him around a little bit. Dynamic player. So that is the guy that you definitely are circling number 15 off the edge for the Denver Brown goes. And does he, does he exclusively go against? It's not exclusive, but most. I would say most of his snaps. Now they will. And do you think that that is, I mean, he's a very good player, but in terms of type, is that the type of player who gives Milaata more trouble? That is, that's the kind of guy

where you're just because he's like more like compact frame. And so he and he's got a smaller strike zone. That's my lot of we always to like laugh at the the matchup between he and Joe O's Yes. Yeah. Like body type wise. Like that's the type that he's like superhero Joe O'sman. Yes.

He is super. Yes. He is Captain America version of Joe O's. I wrote a story about Joe O'Sman and Jordan Milada many years ago about how close they became with those training camp battles. Yeah. Those are great. Yeah.

But Benito's a very, very good player. But the rest of that front is good too. I mean, Zach Allen is a really good player. Combo, defensive end, defensive tackle, really good running stunts. The one who got away for the Eagles. That's right. Yeah, it was originally with the Arizona Cardinals and then signed with Denver. Big money deal with Denver the year.

That was the Hargrave? The Hargrave left? No, this was, yes, it was the year they spent the money to re-sign Bradbury and Slay. Yeah, so Hargrave goes San Francisco. They thought about bringing them in. John Franklin Myers, a good player up front for them. And then they mix in a couple different eddressers, Jonathan Cooper, and then Jonah Ellis. Good bloodlines.

Woo! Christian Ellis's brother. He's a good player. He is. It pushes the pocket. Good technician. He's not like as he's not the athlete that Benito is. But that's a tough matchup as well.

And because of all the blitzing, you know, you're going to send you're going to see McMillan coming on a blitz. You're going to see Alex Singleton, our old friend, Eagles linebacker coming on a blitz. They, they mix things up. What do you make of the thing that Mina Kimes told us yesterday about how both last year and this year, they've been terrible against running backs in the passing game? Yeah. and that could be an area where you see the Eagles try and see if they can take advantage. Linebacker.

What do you smile at? Different things. The Ellis thing was something I was smiling about and now I'm smiling because I mean, they're running back. Yeah. Oh, super. I got a bad poker face. Man, you couldn't even, couldn't hold it for like that little comment.

Alex Singleton is the matchup in man to man against running backs. And yeah, you can, you can attack him in man to man. Alex Singleton, I remember being one of the most insightful players in the Eagles locker room. Like he was like the assistant defensive coordinator, basically. I feel like he's got a coaching future if he wants it. Yeah, I could see that. All right. Any other meat on the bone here in this?

Oh, by the way, we have the, I don't know if you flashed up the stats, Julia, of, I know that this is not all Patrick's are tan, but just how the opposing number one receivers have fared against this Broncos defense? Just this year? the first four games. It hasn't been the most impressive slate of wide receivers, but Calvin Ridley, Michael Pittman. I don't know why have Malik neighbors on there. That's wrong.

That's my mistake. It was Jamar Chase who did not have a very good week. Ladmanconki, I mean, nobody busting out for big games. And it's not just Sartan. That speaks to the whole defense. Yeah. And so is this AJ Brown's week to pop? I don't know.

How do you feel about the Sartan? I mean, I think you sold me. Yeah. Because I stick by the thing that we talked about a little bit. but yesterday that if if I'm looking for like who can I use in a creative way to me it's devante yeah um and it's and it's not a j and so like if they're going to put together some cool game plan it's more likely to me that it would be devante so yeah like put put sir on him i don't know they only blitz 13% of the time last week that was the second lowest

uh number in vance joseph's tenure as defensive coordinator so i i go into this and i wonder do they try and lean more into coverage uh do they think that they can get home with four it's It's going to be fascinating to watch. They're still playing basketball. It's all about the ball. All right. And we're going to go to break. You want to be a go?

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PA if you or someone you know has a gambling problem and once help call 1-800 gambler All right, back on the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast. I'm going to tell you about Shady Rays again because it's time for the future is bright. We know the future is bright for the Eagles secondary. Quinnian Mitchell, Cooper DeGine, everybody talking about it this week. What an unbelievable young secondary they have. And Fran, how do you expect them to be deployed in this Broncos matchup? My guess is that it'll be somewhat similar to what their approach was last week. I think that when you look at Cortland Sutton, I mean, he's clearly the, the, the, number one guy that you want to make sure that you account for. He's tied for targets with Troy Franklin, who if I had to describe Troy Franklin, the Eagles fans, you think like Paris Campbell, Josh Huff

type of body type, like long, slender, explosive. He's probably got more deep ball chops than both those guys. You think of Huff and Paris Campbell, like they were more like underneath shallow cross, screen game, you know, get the ball in their hands. Franklin is that, but he also has that ability to track the deep ball as well. So he's a better player. I think than what those guys brought to the table but Sutton Franklin are their number one and number two targets followed by Marvin Mims who plays inside and outside and more like their deep threat and gadget type. I would say Quignan is probably going to shadow Cortland Sutton and then you're going to have Cooper Dijin line up against whoever is going to be lined up inside between Mims and Franklin

and then you feel good about Kiti Ringo on the opposite side. Do you think it will be Kili Ringo? I think so. Oh, sorry. Yeah, sorry. Go ahead. I lean that way. Vic Fangio was asked about Keeley Ringo.

I've got it right here. Yeah, he said, it's possible when asked if he would be the starter moving forward. And he said the true test for him will be to see how he improves, but overall, he did well. So to me, I don't know. If it wasn't, if it wasn't like a possibility or at least a likelihood, I feel like Vic just shuts it down. And I don't know, it's tricky. The Bucks game was like he didn't get tested very much. so they will probably have a better sense

of like how he actually played than we did. Yeah. But again, I think the fact that he didn't get tested very much, I would lean that way. Okay. Well, there you go. The future is bright for the Eagle secondary, whether Kheather Ringo is a part of it or not.

Ringo stars. Where do you stand on like, is Quinnian truly in contention for best core in the league? I mean, I know you have CERTAN number one, but like, you know, top three or whatever. Yeah, I think he's, he'll be, you know, in the Mount Rushmore, you know, at the podium, you know, one of the finalists, you know, that kind of situation.

I just thought Sartan is just such an excellent player. Yeah, I mean, totally started on the conversation again. You know, go back to Monday show for my rant on that one from Brady. But I think when you're looking at Quignan, the way he's playing, I mean, he's playing as one of the best corners in football right now. There's someone, a good friend of all, well, I shouldn't speak for everybody, but a friend of ours, a friend of mine said that maybe an all pro season. He made a preseason prediction for Quignon Mitchell. I think that's definitely the cards. Who, cuss?

The thing with the Denver Pass game, they're a very, Sean Payton, really good play designer and a very aggressive play caller from a like downfield shot play standpoint. So you're going to see different three-level stretch concepts,

like what they gave up to Egbuka for the touchdown last week. You're going to see post-wheel, which is a similar kind of play that they gave up the touchdown to Taekwan Thornton in week two against the Chiefs. You're going to get double moves. You're going to get the dagger play with D.

digs come in the other you know from the opposite side uh running backs running down the field tight ends running down the field so uh those guys are going to be tested from like not just man to man but from a zone standpoint like uh putting being put in conflict my guess is is that uh sean peyton is going to have macuba and wringo kind of like in his crosshairs in terms of these are the guys i want to try and target in coverage uh always enjoy the uh email matchup breakdowns from sean say head uh and sumer sports there's an interesting one little nugget there that the Broncos offense dead last in motion rate. Yep.

But number one in EPA per motion play. So like when they motion, it's for a purpose. Right. Oh, they don't motion just for the sake of motioning. They don't just have a guy, you know, waddle over five steps and call that motion. My favorite thing about that is for years, you heard the Eagles offensive coaches say,

we aren't just going to motion for motion sake of sake. You know, we're not going to do it performatively. And I kept asking, like, What does that even look like? Like, what does that mean? And now we know what they were alluding to. The other thing going on with the Eagles defense right now, EJ, is there's a new player potentially working into the mix.

McCoby-Deen, yes. The Eagles opened his practice window so that he returned to practice yesterday. And, yeah, he's bullish on how he feels. Like, he said he's just been sitting waiting around for the practice window to open. You have to miss the first four weeks with if you're on the, if you start the year on the Pup list. So yeah, he said it felt great to get out there with the guys and actually play some football. If you open my practice window, I feel like I'm able to fully go now. I found it interesting. You were in on the scrum. I just listened back to it. I love talking about the Kobe. He's very

joy, yeah. He's a good mix of like real but insightful. And he says he calls himself like a realistic a realist but an optimist at the same time. And you kind of get that from him. But I did find it interesting like hearing him I guess like unpack the situation he finds himself in and kind of just stay laser focused on himself and not get wrapped up in the fact that like there really isn't a clean way for him back into the starting lineup

like he acknowledged that obviously Zach Bonn is playing at a really high level and that Jahad Campbell is as well so yeah it's definitely not going to be like a seamless transition back into the lineup for him but I am curious to see if there's a role for him I don't know that I necessarily got the impression from him that he doesn't see a path to playing time. You don't think so. That's interesting. No,

I got the impression from him that, like, he feels like he's going to make it, make a difference. Do you guys have a swooper, Nicobi-related? I do not. I don't have a little.

All right, over under seven and a half defensive snaps. So he hasn't even been pulled off pup yet. Yeah, and Vic seemed kind of skeptical. Right. So I probably, I would take the under just.

But the Eagles do have an open roster spot right now. Yeah, I would just take the under just because like. Because of that. Yeah, and because of how Vic is like such a stickler for like practice reps. Like, I don't know. One week in the defense. I don't know.

You really think that you think there's a role for him in the defense. Oh, I don't know that there is. I think he's optimistic. He said hard for me like in reference to is it hard, you know, like seeing a role in the defense. And he says, I can control what I can control. I'm out there. I'm playing. I'm practicing.

That's all I can do. I don't know. Well, listen. I don't know. I mean, I'm a dramatic way of answer. Jahad Campbell has been so good at linebacker that I feel like the idea of, you know, just moving him to the edge would be silly at this point, right? I don't think they're going to do that.

But I do think that there are packages when that could be their best group on the field. I texted this, I texted this to Fran yesterday. Like, tired is like move one of the two, one of Zach Bonn or Jahad Campbell to the edge. Wired is. Play all three? No, sim pressures. Just keep sending those guys from depth on sim pressures. Yeah.

They did it really well against the bucks. Maybe really well is a little bit hyperbolic. No, it didn't really. It was really well. Yeah. I mean, Zach Bond got a lot of pressures. I know you don't like pressures, but he was getting into the backfit on some of those sim pressures.

If you don't like your edge group, sim pressures are not the worst thing in the world. Drop those guys in the coverage and use the playmakers when you need them in those money down. So, yeah, I don't know. I'm not sure I really, I just feel like especially Campbell's good in coverage. You know, it's not like him as a pass rusher is that much of an asset. So it's murky. I think it's something, it's like TBD for me right now at the linebacker position. I mean, he's just beating up Derek Bodner.

I mean, there's just absolute chaos out there. A bunch of super chats. Super chat, heavy episode. Love this. Musa says, hey, at least there isn't a nationally televised TV show about to start constantly recording behind the scenes to build pressure in the locker room. Honestly, I completely forgot about that. I completely forgot.

But the Eagles do have, you know, creative control there. So I don't think they're going to show nothing, you know. Juicy is going to come out of that. AJ, like doing a spitball through a straw at Jalen, the back of Jalen's head or something like that. But those things are usually... What's a kick me sign on them? They usually give you a window into something that we otherwise wouldn't know. I didn't remember that Amazon Prime one from a few years ago.

King A.B. Very generous. Thank you, King A.B. Says E.J., given all the recent drama, do you think the offensive style is a reflection of Jalen or the coaches. I know you have seen it from both sides recently. Can I answer yes at this point? Yeah. I feel like nothing that we've heard from Jalen would indicate that he like we haven't gotten the like they let me out of the straight jacket or anything that would indicate like a sort of a want for something different. I just keep going back to that it looks the way that Jalen Hertz wants it

to look quote from I think it was last year. I think that since then it has more or less look the way that Jalen wants it to look. So I think the answer might be yes. I think that the frustration from AJ and Devante is sort of separated from the way that Jalen or the coaches wanted to look. I think that there's no evidence right now to show that Jalen is not in an agreement with the way the offense looks. Fran Duffy, Esquire, Attorney of Birdlaw.

Well, it's not made. Checked in with the super chance. It says, better a loss, but AJ has 170 or a win and AJ has a lot. and AJ has 11 yards. I have a hot take about it. You think the first one would be better? I think the first one will be better. I don't all the way disagree.

The Eagles are 4 and O, and honestly, like, zooming out from the conversation we've been having, I still think, like, they could win with the way things. I hear what you're saying, Fran, but, like, they're talented enough to win the Super Bowl. Yeah. So, like, losing to the Broncos,

like, the only way that a loss of the Broncos would make me have long-term worries is if the passing game looks terrible. If AJ has a big game when they lose, they'll be fine. The defense has an uncharacteristically bad performance. Like a couple guys have a bust. They put up, you know, 35 points and the offense looks good. Yeah, I think that kind of would be nice.

But here's the thing. If they win the game and the offense scores 45 points and Devante has 130 yards and Dallas Goddard has 88 yards and Saquan Barkley runs for 100 and it's just like, oh, AJ had 11. Devonte is furious. Oh, you're saying Devante's big Devante was big Datsy, if everyone else, like the offense looks great

and it's humming and it's just like AJ doesn't do well I actually don't think AJ is like... I think he'd be fine with that too I think he'd be okay with that. I agree, but I'm leaving, like I'm sort of interpreting that as like... Yeah, it's an ugly game for the passing game. Turtle checks in.

Does 100 yards on Cirtan quiet AJ for the season? Probably not. No. Yeah, for the season. I mean, this has been going on for years. I don't think that one. one game would,

would fix it. These kids just will not settle down there too happy. Winston Gordon, any chance there's truth to the conspiracy theory that AJ did this to take the conversation away from Jalen and Nick for how bad the offense has been. No. I don't think I'm buying that one.

Bill Nats had this, had this take a little bit. Really? It was like A.J. Brown just like, you know, diverting attention, giving everybody some the drama that they want. I don't know. I think that this is like a year's long thing.

I don't think I'm not on that one, yeah. Matthew Greenwood also got to point out Maccuba and Jod A Baron are best buds but we got the defensive rookie of the year on our side. I should have plugged the story because I was aware of Maccuba and Jodd A. Baron they trained together with a...

It is crazy the idea that, I mean, to your point, just seeing them play that Baron would have gone over Jod Campbell, but... Yeah. And they're like dying for a linebacker in Denver. Like the fans are absolutely like dying for you know Dre Greenlaw they signed Drey Greenlaw he's hurt

so it's Singleton and Justin Sternat as the linebackers there in the middle of that defense Fresh Prince I mean the Super Jets just rolling in yeah thank you guys where have the RPO's gone oh it's a great question where all the RPO's gone

you do do do do do do do do you you can do that but you can't sing they were a staple of the offense in 22 I remember that Micah Parsons game plan when they didn't block him and Jail had him wrong each time I know it's not that simple. I think this is a very reasonable question.

Fran, what do you think? Good question. Yeah, we've talked so often in the past about, like, just the inability to have, like, those easy, like, layup throws for Jalen Hertz and the offense, and the one exclusion to that, the one exception to that, was the RPO game, and now they don't have the RPO game. I don't know. They get so many zone looks, and they can't figure out how to beat zone.

Like they weren't able to beat Zonen with RPO's in 2022. It confounds me. It's a great question. All right. We're going to take a break to hear from our sponsors one last time. And then we'll come back. I got a Bo Nix question for you. We haven't really talked Bo Nix.

So let's do that on the other side. Then we'll get the swooper. But first, I think the kids need another talking to again. Here we go. I'll go after. Yeah. Monarch money. Why aren't you?

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What have I gotten myself into? We both got up at the same time. We both got up at the same time because I just grabbed questions on here. I was like, chat, I need help. More super chats. They keep coming in. Oh, man. Pavs.

says Jeff Nyberg just reported that the Eagles are playing limp biscuits rolling at practice. Is this directed at E.J.? You know what? They did play Tupac Me Against the World at practice yesterday. And I was wondering if that was a, you know, maybe a my prerogative 2.0 situation. I don't think it's a shot at me. Although they put those, I mean, I don't want to complain,

but they put those like giant speakers right as we walk in. Yeah. And like, Mike, I got a question for you guys. When you walk past something like that, are you going finger in the ear? Or are you just second up? No, I'm too much of a football guy. I've lost enough hearing in my life to not want to lose anymore. You already lost one sense.

You can't lose another. You can not afford that. Exactly. Can't be down to 60% senses. Be tough. Can't smell, can't hear. Yeah, my hearing is already pretty bad. You're already senseless when it comes to the running back and blocking tight-end conversation.

I don't know where that came from. I was right about Kam Latsu. Totally right. Nailed it. You'll be backing off that take in like two weeks. I apologize. No, I needed to take full accountability for that. And I felt like it was ready to,

I was ready to punt on that one. I don't always punt. I didn't punt on a Keeley Ringo. Jamie, how much of a disaster has it been out there? They're having a great time. Not make me feel great. I had to tell Casey not to stand up.

Oh, oh, he loves those, but we have one of those at home for the baby. He loves that thing. Circus. The circus is in town. All right, what do you make of Bo Nix? I think he's fine. He's like the Johnny Baron of quarterbacks?

No, I think that, look, there are a couple plays that he's like just missing on some deep balls. They are, like I said, it's a very aggressive offense from a schematic standpoint. So they're going to build in like, all right, there's going to be, you know, this screen pass or that play in the flat. and then they're going to go deep. So there are some plays where he leaves it on the field in terms of, oh, he just missed this guy down the seam or this post route. But they've also hit on a lot of big plays as well.

They've been one of the most explosive offenses in football. The big knock on him has been pressure. If you pressure him, his like all the efficiency numbers drop, all the EPA numbers drop, like all that stuff drops. So to me, that should be like, the top of the list for the Eagles in this game is pressure Baker Mayfield. And honestly, a lot of the same discussion that you would have about Baker Mayfield last week. That's why I just dropped that.

I just said Baker Mayfield. A lot of the things you say about Baker Mayfield last week, transition that to this week's game plan against Bow Nicks because if you just let him sit back there and play point and shoot, he's going to pick you apart. If you're able to pressure him, that's where you can get into like rolling the dice. And last week, Baker Mayfield made a couple of those plays down the field where you lost containing coverage and your guy's eyes were in the wrong place. you don't want that to happen here against Bo Nix and the Broncos,

but I think a lot of that would apply here to this one. He's more athletic in terms of he can beat you with his legs and he's shown the ability to scramble. But yeah, I mean, I think he's going to be fine. I think he's going to be a good player. He's going to need time to develop. I think we've learned that Vic Fangio has a type of quarterback, and it is the Baker-Mayfield Bo-Nicks genre of quarterback.

He says, Vic said earlier this week, he's a lot like Baker-Mayfield. I think he might be Baker's younger brother. Really good. Really, really good. He's just gassing those guys out. So, like, in the way that, like, Anthony Richardson and Justin Fields are, like, my type of quarterback, I think, like, that, you know, experience college starter. What's that?

Daniel Jones. Yeah, Daniel Jones. You know what do you think this type is? Just a white guy with an attitude? No. I think it's, like, college, like, you know, extended college starters, seen a lot, decent processor, like, above average athlete. I want to know like Well, Spunky

Yeah, exactly Got a little bit of a feciness Wake up with an attitude It's more than that But I want to know What Vic Fangio thought about Kenny Pickett last year Because that's like

Kind of like the low end of that That type of quarterback That's probably his Daniel Jones What are your bone icks What bones give you the ick I've never thought about this before None of them I don't think there's a bone out there

that's... Really? Yeah, no, none. Okay. Do you have any? Well, I mean, I don't like to see an exposed bone, usually. You really got Julian choking. I really lost Julia.

Oh, man. Ew. Yeah. I don't know. how many bones can you name not many I don't think we should play this game

all right anything else in this matchup before we turn our attention to swooper um just go through our quick Oline pretty good Oline's pretty good I think they're Tats I mean

Quinn Miner's the right guard is probably the best guard in football I think I think I feel comfortable saying that trying to think of who else can probably possibly take that mantle. He's awesome.

He's a really, really good player. So that's a big matchup with Jalen Carter. Their tackles are solid, but getable. I think when you look at trying to go like right through those guys, like Zadarius Smith bull rushes, I like that here in this game against both Garrett Bowles and Mike McGlinchy at right tackle. Ben Powers is kind of your, like a poor man's

Landed Dickerson, similar skill set. Dickerson better when healthy. Wattenberg. Long time member of the of the Full Sentence All-Stars. Yes, of course. And then Luke Wattenberg, ironically enough like kind of a poor man's version of cam jerkins like undersized athletic he got penalized like 19 times in the game monday night against the bengals um you know that's he's not a great

player uh and probably one of the weak points of that offense okay run game uh which from the so you think so that sounds to me like the kind of game where you try to move jane carter around a little bit i think so yeah i mean minors minors is a tough matchup he's a he's a really really good player so uh i don't anticipate that you're going to get a lot of wins on that side uh going up against him I should mention their run game. The run game has not been good largely for the last few years. They go and they draft RJ Harvey in the second round this past year. And then they signed J.K. Dobbins this summer.

Dobbins has been very, very good. It looks healthy, good combination. He's got a fun running style. Yeah, he's like he's got burst. He's patient. He's violent. Like, he's looked really good. Hit 100 yards rushing this past week in Cincinnati.

Their first 100 yard rusher in the Sean Payton era there in Denver. But I think going back. to like, it's like week 13 of VIX last year or something like that. It was like, there was the longest active streak in the NFL. So, yeah, it had been a while. It's a lot of gap scheme runs. So similar kind of things to like what we've seen for, you know, some of the runs that hit against the Rams or in the Rams game from Kairn Williams and those guys,

you know, could be on the table here for the Broncos. Okay. AJ, how do you feel about minors? The football player or the. occupation or the under 18s oh geez

I wasn't even where I was going but that is a that's a kind of minor I mean what are we doing the word means a lot of different things you don't have to answer but the mining profession yeah seems like tough gig a lot of respect for it Yeah.

It's a good safe answer. Yeah. I went to a mining town once. Okay. Anthracite, Pennsylvania? Are you familiar? No. I went there because there's an off-road park there.

Oh, okay. Would you do like ATVs? We had a Jeep back then. And yeah, we went off-roading with the Jeep. People in the chat are very convinced that you're about to just get railroaded and swooper because Aston Villa kicks off any minute. um when did you send the submissions this morning

uh let's see it earlier this morning yeah wait how do you know oh oh that Fran sent them yesterday yeah I mean 1023 a.m what time did you send them uh I think I was maybe just after that

yeah okay I am not gonna I'm gonna compartmentalize so if Aston Villa score chat please do not let it me know I'm gonna compartmentalize because yeah If I watch, I'll be hopeless. All right. Well, we got all of that coming up next in. Over time. Oh, man.

We get... Come, come, come, come, come, come, come, gharou. He'll be the will. He'll be the will. Swooper is here. How did we do last week? Just look out. He's just on the ball.

Oh, yeah. He loves that ball. I'm telling you. He's got all kinds of moves. They've actually been very behaved for the last like 10 minutes. He's very, he's very comfortable on that thing. All right. Last week, heading in, EJ was up two to one.

Fran had zero points. How did we do? I only had two items last week. The Eagles remain 100% for the year in the red zone. Nailed it. Very close to not getting it. Very close to not get. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Yep. And the Eagles call time out to avoid delay of game unless it's an intentional play to draw the defense offside. And I think the Eagles, I mean, I don't get this point. But there was one play in particular where they were late and they didn't get flag for it. And I thought that Nick should have called time out. So, you know, just saying.

So what you're saying is you should have gotten that. I should have gotten this point. I don't get the point, but I should have gotten this point. Fran, Jalen Hertz, completes at least 55.7% of his passes with a passer rating of at least 69.4 versus the Blitz. Nailed this. One of the best performances against a blitz of Jalen Hertz's career. A.J. Brown has 100 yards from scrimmage.

Weh, we're. Sequin Barclay runs for more yards than there are total points scored in the game. Was it even close? Yeah, it was close. But it's like one of those things where you told, I thought I hedged my bet really well by having both of those. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The fact that neither of them hit.

And they were scoring points early on. Unbelievable. And you had the Eagles win. Got that. So you got two points. But I think you can tell from how angry friend is that he's not coming away with the solo point here. E.J.

There's a blocked punt, blocked field goal, blocked extra point, special teams turnover or special teams touchdown. My boy, Cam Lattoo. Yeah, boy,

it is nice. A lot to love. It's nice to you. That's good. Cooper de Jean lines up on the outside for more than 25 snaps. It did not happen.

I just, I went too high with that. I changed a lot lower. I don't know. I thought that was great. You know, I just, I don't know,

ball. I don't see the game. There was a point where I thought that you got that. Like, I was like Sunday and I was like, oh, you got to be shit. I was like, he got three, he got three points.

He beat me. So I was, I was salty for a good chunk of Sunday evening. The Eagles get a first down or touchdown from a tush push formation in any way other than actually running the quarterback sneak. We know you got that even though you were trying to maybe. They broke the huddle in a personnel grouping that one. No way that first one. The first one would not have counted.

That's correct. But you get that. Saekwan has a 25 plus yard run. Nope. There's a headline Sunday night. Monday morning that says Ringo stars or an Eagles player is shown puking on the broadcast.

You had the chance to do this. You could have run afoul of the intention of the game. My integrity has been... And Desmond Watson was not mentioned on the broadcast. My integrity has been called into question on this show multiple times. And I just want to say that I could have taken the full point

if I didn't respect the diehards enough to not give them... And so... E.J. remains in the league. He's got two and a half wins. I have one. Fran has a half. This week, Fran will kick things off.

He's got 20 turkeys, followed by E.J., who has 34, and then me who also has 34. I don't have the abacus. It's right there if you want to get it, but it's up to you. And you think you can be a big boy and use your brain? I'm just going to use the couch winner.

The insults, 2.5, baby. Okay. All right. Pick us off, Fran. All right. Wait, what's the order? Fran E.J. Me.

Okay. All right, my first one. We're going to play. Oh, wait. We do have a bit of an averted controversy here, as happens every week on Swooper. Shout out to Ethan, who put together the Swooper graphics, but didn't realize how much of an issue he could have potentially caused. By putting them into our full Slack thread so that we could all see them beforehand. I did see the very first item has the name Sequin Barkley in it.

That's me coming clean. That's the only thing I know. Uh-oh. Oh, he's getting the abacist. Remind the kids of being good. Yeah. Uh-oh. This is like a movie, like a zombie movie

where they send out like one person and the zombies all come running. All right. Oh, he knows. Oh, yeah. He knows. he knows the game has started. Because you know that I'm beating you in the game is the real question.

We're going to play a little game here, new auction. Ooh, this is fun. I'm calling this a timeout auction. Uh-oh. The winner of this item cannot bid on any of the next two submissions. So by winning this one, you're saying, can't bid on E.J. Orbo's next, you can't even bid on the next two items. The item is,

Saquan Barkley runs for at least 30 yards in the game. we're going to start the bidding at three four huh I think what you have up your sleeve here five six seven

eight nine ten eleven eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fourteen fifteen fifteen going once fifteen going twice

fifteen going twice sixteen there is how many turkeys do you have we both have 34 and I've got 43 right we both have 34 right we both have 34

I thought you meant you to no you have 34 I have 20 17 17 17 going once 17 going twice sold to EJ oh this okay I thought I had more turkeys in that

not anymore sucker All right. That's interesting. I already screwed this up. So now you can't bid on the next two. You can't bid on your own item or Beau's first item. So what did I get it for?

17. 17. 17 left. 17 remaining. 17. 34 minus 17. All right. E.J., your item is next. Hold on. I got, I had to do my math.

Oh, my word. Jesus. And I don't have it ready. Okay. An Eagles defensive player under the age of 25 records an interception. Under the age of 25 right now. Under the age of 25 or 25 and under? Under 25.

This was intentional. Under the age of 20. So they must be 24. Yes. And what people might not remember about this. That's interesting is that even though Kili Ringo has been in the league longer, he's actually a year younger than Quinnian Mitchell. Who is that specifically a shot at it?

Because it kind of feels like I was saying that a lot before you started making fun of it. I don't remember. It's awkward. All right, so how many guys, so. Yeah. Who is on Mitchell? Cooper to Jean, Keeley Ringo,

Drew McCuba, and Jihad Campbell are eligible. Reed Blankenship, Zach Bonn, Adori Jackson, if he plays, ineligible. So no one's actually 25.

Yeah. What are like, Jayla Carter? Yeah. Yeah, but yeah. So he wouldn't count. Right. Yeah.

Would count. I think, isn't he 25? Jalen Carter, 24. I didn't go through the D-Lyman. But that's what I'm saying. We're saying defensive linemen or any defense player under the age of 25 is eligible. I'll see, I'll see two.

Bonix has thrown four interceptions this year. Three. I shouldn't let you get this for three, but I don't really want it for four either. Three going once. Four. It's yours. Four going once. Four going twice.

Sold. DJ stands for Epicus Genius. Says Kenny the cook in the chat. It's pretty good. All right. My first item. At some point in this game, it's third and 11 plus for the Eagles offense,

and they drop back to pass and pick up the first down. So it doesn't have to be a completed pass. It could be a penalty. It could be Jalen Hertz scrambling. Yep. But it's third and 11 plus. They don't hand the ball off. It's not a draw, and they pick it up.

I mean, they drop back to pass. Of course. We've talked about it before. This is a team running the ball at a rate higher than anybody else this century. Fran, how are you feeling about the, like, sitting out that I've had to do with these two entries? I feel like, I feel like we kind of let you down.

I think you, yeah, you ended up looking good here. These are not high-priced items. Yep. But I will start the bidding at three. What? You said it's not a high price item and then you started the bidding at three. Yeah. Four.

Four going once. Four going twice. Sold. Right. Our first item from Danes. Okay. This is a normal auction. Normal auction.

Standard auction. The Eagles remain 100% for the year in a red zone touchdown rate. E.J. can bid again. I'm back. 17 turkeys left. Three. Four. Bucks are third in red zone touchdown percentage.

Good thing they're playing the Broncos this week. Sorry. The Broncos are third. Old habits die hard. Third in red zone touchdown percentage of season. Pretty good. Bucks are good. Right?

Oh, I think the bucks were good last year. Yeah. Or last week rather. Last week, let me see. Four going once. They were six. Four going twice. sold sold

I hesitated too long take it that's pretty good all right friend you're up again I'm up all right so my next one

cheap items for you friend I'll see um Bo Nix has at least two passes deflected within two yards of the line of scrimmage

we'll start to bidding it too is something you see on film a lot maybe maybe not three Four. Fran got it first. Two.

Two of them. Four going once. Four going twice. It says. Sold a friend. Second most in the NFL passes bad at the line's gross. Oh no. I knew.

I should have known. You wouldn't have put it in there if you didn't see it. Well. Was that a true media stat? If you look hard enough. I'm still learning my way around your media. No, I don't die. I actually don't think that's a tremendous step.

Okay. All right, E.J., over to you. All right. A.J. Brown has 100 or more receiving yards or multiple touchdown receptions. Wow. You're going to start the bidding. I know. I'm just, I'm actually thinking about what I want to start the bidding at.

I'll start the bidding at two? Four. Oh, wow. Five. Five going once. Five going twice. Sold. Friends, I'm not touching that.

I cannot feel good enough about that one. All right. I think they've given up two touchdowns all year through the air, Denver. Yeah, well, they're good in the red zone too. Yeah. All right.

Item number seven, my second item, something that has not happened at any point this season. An Eagles edge rusher gets a full sack. So this could be two half sacks, but. Okay.

You know, Gordon. Just to say. And. And, or more. Let's just, let's just get this out there.

If, uh, Shahd Campbell, if Jahad Campbell, Jahad Campbell probably doesn't count. No. But if this is like a, three defensive tackles,

like, like, like Jalen Carter is playing on the edge. What do we think? I think that doesn't count. I think that is, if Jihad Campbell is rushing off the edge, do we not count that?

Um, I don't think so. To me, the concede of this one is, yeah, it's got to be an actual. Jelix Hunter, Zagery Smith, or Josh Usher, or Patrick Johnson, or Aziz O'Jolari. Yep. Okay. I'll start the bidding at three. Three going once.

Three going twice. Sold. You know, a certain handsome podcast host said that Bo Nix's superpower is not taking sacks and not yeah just like avoiding negative plays not turning the ball over not taking sacks it's true

and our friend Sean Syed said is that really a super power and then she'll call him a nerd doesn't seem nice no I agree listen open invite if you want to be treated well anybody on that show yeah because we treat everybody

everybody with his back on the show okay item number eight from Danes okay this is a sequential single bid auction. Whoever won item 7 must publicly bid first and cannot bid again. Next, whichever other player won.

The last item before that can either bid higher than the first player or say they're out. Finally, the third player can either bid higher than the highest bid or say they're out, at which point the highest bidder wins and pays their own bid. All right, so this order is me, then Fran, than E.J. No, DJ. Yeah. Trying to keep up with the rules, though. So it's you, it's your first second.

Right. He's second. I'm third. Oh, AJ was before. And two touchdowns. Yeah. Oh, I thought Bonnex was before that. So you're going to start it.

I'm going to start it. And I just say my number. Oh, yeah. And then you have the choice to beat it or not. And then Fran has the choice to beat it or not. Yeah. But this is nobody's paying for something if they didn't win the bid. Correct.

All right. All right. Okay. Item eight. The Broncos. use six offensive linemen or more on at least six offensive plays.

Alex Palcheschi is the sixth offensive lineman. They typically bring in. I guess I could look this up quickly. Don't want to. But the fact that it's here makes me feel like it's a thing.

I'm going to, but I don't really care if I win this item or not. I'm going to go four. Five. I can only go one up, right? Well, you can go as high up as you want. Oh. Yeah. If you don't want him to take it, you can go higher.

You will then pay if I decided I'm not going to take it. I'm still going to go five. Okay. Does Fran go six or does he walk away? He's got eight turkeys to play with. I could look at that fast, but I'm not going to. We just have one more round, right? Correct.

Give me up. He takes it for six. Two turkeys left. Six plus snaps of six O'Liman. Alex Palcheschi has played the following amount of snaps in each of the first four games. He had 10 snaps in week one, three in week two, three in week three, 16 in week four. How are you feeling out?

Is there an injury in there potentially? No, they don't do a decent amount of it. Okay. Because they don't have a blocking tight end. Oh, interesting. That's something that teams do sometimes. When they don't have blocking tight ends. All right, Fran, you're up.

All right, here we go. my last one. It's very specific. Zach Bonn or Jehahad Campbell, just one of those two, record a pass breakup or an interception in the middle of the field.

Now, we are going to define middle of the field as the area between the bottom of the numbers to the bottom of the numbers. So bottom of numbers on both sides. So if it's on the numbers,

the outer edges of the numbers. The outer edges of the numbers. Okay. Correct. So if it's from the outer edge to the numbers and in, then it's will count. but they must record a PBU or an interception in the middle of the field.

We will start the bidding at... Hold on. Yep. Line of scrimmage counts. Line of scrimmage counts. Right? Correct. Okay.

Yes. So depth does not matter with matters. Okay. We'll start the bidding at three. Four. Five. Yeah, my copy paste is just all over the place. Six.

Eight. Eight going once. I'm out. Eight going twice. nine nine going once come up you got this I can't let him have it

nine going twice all my items always hit sold for nine love that man two of my items I got submitted to the EJ bought for 26 turkeys

it's because you got good items I've told you last week all right EJ you're up I was looking at Bownix's past chart and I felt there will be opportunities. They attack the middle. They like to attack the middle of the field.

Yes. Sequin Barclay has more receiving yards than rushing yards. Oh, you don't like it? It's a good one. I just don't think it's going to happen. I'm going to put, we talked about the matchup with the Broncos linebackers. I know. I'm going to start the bidding for this one.

At three. Four, and I'll take it. You take that. I see why you're disappointed because you. I was hoping it was going to be a better one. I'm hoping it was something great on that one. All right. For me,

I wish this was not the last one because I mean, I'm going to take it, but it's not that fun. Item number 11, someone in the game is flagged for taunting. Three. I open the bidding. And I will open the bidding at three. Now, I want to say here, this is important.

said is flagged for taunting. So if they throw the flag and it's picked up, that still counts. Flagged. Didn't say, didn't say penalized. I'm just saying. What scenario would they take it back, though? I don't know. Roger says like humping the air is allowed.

I don't know. Who's humping the air? Why did your mind go to that right away? Well, that's the key and peel sketch. It's a great sketch. All right, we go to the final item from Danes. Fran is. Am I not allowed to bid?

You have two turkeys. Do I have two? Who needs the abacus now, everybody? No, I have six turkeys. You started with 20. You won the third and 11 pass pickup for four. You've had the red zone for four. You've had the Bonix two passes for four.

You're right, you're right, you're right, you're right. I counted off 24, that's why. Okay. Now, hang on a second. I got the calculator and it's you're going to be a big boy today you're going to use your math skill and then friend gets it wrong and it's

nothing it's mom I'm just saying all right let's see how he does me chat you see this terrible I like I'm not going to know I'm going to turkey by that I like Peter's

comment for the potential flag pickup says a player said he was sorry okay number 12 this is sealed bid middle bid wins auction. Oh. All players place sealed bids.

The bidder with the second highest bid wins the item and pays their own bid while the highest and lowest bidders pay nothing and win nothing. If there is a two-way tie, only those two bidders who are tied continue getting up from their original bid in a standard auction format for the item. If there is a three-way tie, all three players continue bidding up from their original bid in a standard auction format. Okay. Do you understand?

No. We all, we send or we write down our bids. Okay. The item goes to whoever has the middle number. Great. And they pay that much. And I can borrow from next week. And you can always borrow for next week.

Yeah. And if there is a tie, it just becomes a bid. A continuation between those. Okay. Okay. This is fun. Eagles win the game. Yeah.

The item is? The Eagles win by double digits. Oh. interesting can I ask one more question about the rules? Yes I lose the turkeys Is that type of situation?

No, no So if you have the highest bid You do not lose those turkeys Great okay Right Everybody understands Yeah Okay

I slacked you Julia Slack to you as well Julia Oh No I'm just trying to think of One of my strategy is here Uh Okay The boys are

attacking Kyle out there. I was about to say they're just dragging Kyle back to the table. Definitely a Pokemon conversation. All right. Got it. Got it. All right, Julia, what do they have? Okay. Fran has two and E.J. has five. Oh, interesting. I also have five. Okay, the two-way tie. Six. Seven. You got it for seven. So I lost 14 going the next week. Well, I'm not going to say what I was thinking of. No, go ahead.

No. I don't want to go away. This could come back. All right. Everybody has four items this week. You have the Eagles pick up a first down on 3rd and 11 plus on a dropback. The Eagles remain perfect in the red zone. Bonix has two passes batted down at the line of scrimmage or within two yards of the line of scrimmage.

And there are. at least six snaps from the Broncos of six offensive linemen on the field. You have two turkeys left over. E.J. Sequin Barclay rushes for at least 30 yards in the game. A.J. Brown has either 100 yards receiving or two touchdowns in the game. Jihad Campbell or Zach Bonn has a pass breakup or I&T in the middle of the field. And the Eagles win by double digits.

You have negative four turkeys to carry over for next week. I have the Eagles have an interception from somebody under the age of 25 there's a sack from an edge player Sequin Barclay has more receiving yards than rushing yards and someone in the game is flagged for taunting and I have 20 turkeys left over

so weak the flagged thing come on sorry all right is 17 targets the most spend on an item since I've been on the show I don't think the most but it's up there

it's got to be I think we've had a couple in the past It was a high likelihood item. It was just prohibits. I think you did it right. Yeah. It also didn't come back to bite you at all. Yeah. So I picked 30 because his average has been 60.

So I said at least half that. I wanted it to be an item that like we would want to bid on. Yeah. I mean, obviously the ideal outcome for me in this game is Sequin Barclay has 30 receiving yards and 29 rushing yards. Yeah. I mean. Could happen. All right.

Good stuff, everybody. Anything else? I feel like we put in a good day's work here. I mean, I've got stuff, but it's not, I mean, it's not, Eagle stuff. It's not for public consumption. Oh, no. It's not, oh, you got, you got off-field stuff?

You never asked me about, like, the, the plane ride home. Oh. Can I ask you? I'm so sorry. I'll ask you. You didn't have agency to bring things up yourself. I was just waiting for you to ask. I do have one plane travel question.

It is like that. Got one plane travel question for you guys. Have you ever worn a suit on a plane? And would you ever wear a suit on a plane? I have. Like when I, when I worked at Temple, the travel that you had to watch the travel.

Yeah. Is it as terrible as I feel like it? I don't. I hate it. Yeah, it seems really uncomfortable. Hated it. I feel like, I feel like I have,

but it doesn't come to mind why. But yes. I know like there's an argument, like, well, you don't want to put it in a suitcase, you don't want to get an airplane dirty? What are we doing? Yeah, I don't want that either. No, no, no. Why?

I just, there was a guy wearing a suit on the plane, like the row ahead of me, and I was like, I don't know why you'd wear a suit on a plane. I won't wear jeans on a plane. You won't? Why? Just uncomfortable. I think you've got to find more comfortable jeans. I grew up in a really anti-gene household.

I used to be furiously anti-greens as a kid. Yeah, I still kind of. Yeah. But now I've found jeans that I find comfortable. I've got like a uniform that I wear when I fly. Would you go like joggers? Yeah, let's say like a Mac Weldon joggers. Okay.

And then yeah, like a Mac Weldony like soft shirt. Yeah. Like a hoodie? No, like a soft t-shirt because I'd rather be cold than hot on the question. Yeah, absolutely. Well, that's why you layer. You give yourself choices. Yeah, but then you got one more thing to worry about.

I stow away. Now the one mistake I make sometimes is if I, if I, if I, If I deviate from the pants, like I've got pants I literally call like flying. Like they're the pants I wear when I go flying. And if I ever deviate from them, sometimes the pants I wear have metal drawstrings. And then you get flagged through TSA and then they got to, they got to, I mean, they got to do it. Yeah, I don't need to explain what they do, but it's unpleasant. Okay.

Do you ever find that those pants are not ideal for keeping things in your pocket? the flying pants have zipper pockets classic zippers they are the perfect pants to fly okay yeah Julia leggings

but those with with pockets it has the one pocket on the side that fits my phone but otherwise I just my fanny pack and then my side phone pocket leggings fanny pack fanny pack smart yeah because like you don't want to be like

rummaging your pockets when you're on a plane. Sure. And you can unclip it and then clip it around like the part of the back of the other person's seat. So smart. Easy access. Wow, what is an electric end of the episode? Yeah, the suit really must have affected you that you needed to bring it up five days later. I wanted to never ask me about the flight.

And I didn't know if we'd get to it. All right. A super chat to save us here. Two of them. Jonathan says, water for Julia. Also, in your opinion, who is the best or most valuable Eagles defensive? player. Good question.

That's a great question. It's either Quignon or Bonn. I think most valuable right now is Quinyan. Like the drop off from him is more significant. I think that's probably right, but I would say that the best is Bonn. The best player is probably Bonn. But most valuable, Quinean. At their absolute best.

So if each guy is going at like 100 out of 100 on this rep, the most impactful is probably Carter though. Right. Most impactful. But I think the most of, I, the one you don't want to lose is Quinyan. And I also think the, the biggest, I mean, the construction of the team is such that Quinyon is, I get the most valuable argument. Yep. But the biggest difference between this player and the league average player at that position is Bonn for sure.

I think you would argue. Yeah, I think that's right. I think you could argue bond is the most impactful. over Carter right now too. Right now, I think so. League average, not team average. Correct, correct. Yeah. Right, like you're waving a wand

and you get just the average starter at that position. Right, yep. Yeah, he would be more worried about Bonn. Yeah. Yeah. Sean Wolford, golf pants are the best for flying. You look professional, very comfortable,

and breathe well if it gets hot on the plane. Yeah, I could see that. It's not bad, yeah. I know there, I know that we have at least one listener who's going to be very anti-EJ about dressing down on the plane and feels very strongly about like dressing up for the plane. Do I know this person? I don't know if you've met them or not.

They dress up. They don't know ball to. Yeah. I don't know who that would be. You're going to tell me off, off air. Good family. The person in particular, yeah. Did we talk about their family earlier?

No, it's fine. this is i mean this is about their podcast earlier no no uh all right that'll do it for this episode of the ph.

my eagles podcast thank you Julia we'll see you tomorrow two o'clock thank you Fran um good stuff that's all we got and as always

we love you you you're all silly like the mayor